Post Office Box 98475, Raleigh, North Carolina 27624-8475 

Telephone (919) 676-1502 – Fax (919) 676-2277 

U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 

DOCKET ID NUMBER: EPA-HQ-OAR-2011-0151 

PUBLIC HEARING 

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GENERAL PERMITS AND PERMITS BY RULE 

FOR THE FEDERAL MINOR NEW SOURCE REVIEW PROGRAM 

IN INDIAN COUNTRY 

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THURSDAY, AUGUST 7, 2014 

9:00 A.M. 

U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 

109 T.W. ALEXANDER DRIVE 

RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, NORTH CAROLINA 

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A P P E A R A N C E S

ON BEHALF OF THE U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY: 

GREGORY GREEN, DIVISION DIRECTOR, OUTREACH AND 

INFORMATION DIVISION 

 U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY – RTP OFFICE 

 109 T.W. ALEXANDER DRIVE 

 MAIL CODE: C304-01 

RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, NORTH CAROLINA 27709 

 919-541-2769 

Green.gregory@Epa.gov

 CHRISTOPHER STONEMAN, POLICY ADVISOR 

U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY – RTP OFFICE 

 109 T.W. ALEXANDER DRIVE 

 MAIL CODE: C304-01 

RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, NORTH CAROLINA 27709 

919-541-0823 

Stoneman.chris@Epa.gov

ALSO PRESENT: 

 TONI COLÓN, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION SPECIALIST 
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T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S

PROCEEDINGS PAGE

HEARING OPENED 

By Mr. Green 4 

 

OPENING STATEMENT 

By Mr. Green 4 

PROPOSAL SUMMARIZED 

By Mr. Stoneman 6 

HEARING ADJOURNED 8 

 

 

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1 P R O C E E D I N G S

2 MR. GREEN: Good morning, everyone. I'm 

3 Greg Green, the Division Director here in RTP, North 

4 Carolina for the Outreach and Information Division 

5 within EPA's Office of Air Quality Planning and 

6 Standards. Thank you all for coming this morning. I 

7 will be chairing the hearing today. Also, on the panel 

8 today is Chris Stoneman, Policy Advisor, here in EPA's 

9 RTP Office. 

10 We are here today to listen to your comments 

11 on EPA's proposed rule titled, "General Permits and 

12 Permits by Rule for the Federal Minor New Source Review 

13 Program in Indian Country." We announced the proposal 

14 in a Federal Register notice July 17th, 2014. In a 

15 moment, Mr. Stoneman will explain in a more detail what 

16 we proposed in that rule. But, before I turn it over to 

17 him, let me explain a bit about how today's hearing will 

18 work. 

19 I will call the scheduled speakers to the 

20 microphone. When it is your turn to -- to speak, please 

21 state your name and your affiliation before you begin 

22 your testimony. Please spell your name to help the 

23 court reporter. In order to be fair to everyone, please 

24 limit the testimony to five minutes each. We will 

25 signal to you when we have one minute -- when you have 
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1 one minute left to speak. When five minutes has passed, 

2 I will ask you to complete your testimony. After you 

3 finish your testimony, members of the panel may ask 

4 clarifying questions. 

5 We will prepare a written transcript of the 

6 hearing. The transcript for the hearing will be 

7 available as part of the official record for this rule. 

8 If you have written copy [sic] -- if you have written 

9 copies of your testimony, please give a copy to our 

10 staff at the registration table. This will be helpful 

11 as we prepare the transcript. 

12 If you have other written comments or 

13 supporting documentation, you also may leave those at 

14 the registration table, and we will make sure they are 

15 entered into the docket for this proposed rule. You 

16 also may submit written comments directly to the docket 

17 for this rule through August 18th. Instructions for 

18 submitting comments are included in the fact sheet on 

19 the proposal. You can pick up a copy at the table just 

20 outside the room. 

21 EPA will consider your comments as we move 

22 forward to complete a final rule, which we anticipate 

23 issuing later this year. 

24 Today's public hearing is scheduled to end 

25 once the last registered speaker has provided comments. 
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1 So if you would like to testify, but have not yet 

2 registered to do -- registered to do so, please sign up 

3 at the registration table outside this room. 

4 Now, let me turn things over to Chris 

5 Stoneman, who will summarize the proposal. 

6 MR. STONEMAN: Good morning. As you heard 

7 from Mr. Green, this hearing concerns EPA's proposed 

8 general permits and permits by rule for minor or small 

9 sources located in Indian country. 

10 As our preferred approach, EPA has proposed 

11 draft general permits for new or modified sources in six 

12 categories of emission sources: concrete batch plants, 

13 sawmills, spark ignition engines, compression ignition 

14 engines, boilers, and graphic arts and printing 

15 operations. 

16 General permits streamline the existing minor 

17 source NSR permitting requirement and minimize the 

18 burden on reviewing authorities and sources. General 

19 permits standardize requirements that apply to multiple 

20 stationary sources with similar emissions 

21 characteristics. The owner of one of these types of 

22 facilities in Indian country would need to apply to EPA 

23 to be covered by the applicable proposed general permit. 

24 As an alternative, EPA is proposing a permit by rule for 

25 new or modified minor sources in one of the six source 
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1 categories, graphic arts and printing operations. 

2 A permit by rule is similar to a general 

3 permit in that it contains a standard set of 

4 requirements that can apply to multiple stationary 

5 sources that have similar emissions characteristics. 

6 But it differs from a general permit in that the control 

7 and other requirements are established in a rule rather 

8 than in a general permit document. 

9 The process for a source to seek coverage 

10 under a permit by rule is more streamlined compared to a 

11 standard general permit, or a site-specific permit. 

12 Under the proposed permits by rule program, an applicant 

13 would need to notify the reviewing authority that it 

14 meets the eligibility criteria for the permit and the 

15 permit conditions without having to submit a completed 

16 application for review and approval. 

17 As Mr. Green mentioned, we will accept public 

18 comments through this public hearing and through email, 

19 fax or mail during the 30-day public comment period. 

20 The 30-day cublic [sic] -- public comment period will 

21 end on August 18th, 2014. 

22 (Hearing continued to be open for 

23 comments from 9:04 a.m. to 10 a.m.) 

24 MR. GREEN: All right. Before we conclude 

25 this public hearing, is there anyone else who would like 
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1 to comment? 

2 (No response.) 

3 MR. GREEN: If there are no further 

4 comments, I will conclude this public hearing. Thank 

5 you all for participating today. 

6 (Hearing adjourned at 10:01 a.m.)

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CERTIFICATE OF NOTARY - COURT REPORTER 

STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA) 

 ) 

COUNTY OF WAKE ) 

 I, Amelia W. Mount, Court Reporter and Notary 

Public in and for the above county and state, do hereby 

certify that the public hearing regarding GENERAL PERMITS AND 

PERMITS BY RULE FOR THE FEDERAL MINOR NEW SOURCE REVIEW 

PROGRAM IN INDIAN COUNTRY was taken before me at the time and 

place hereinbefore set forth; that the witnesses were by me 

first duly sworn to testify to the truth, the whole truth and 

nothing but the truth; that thereupon the foregoing questions 

were asked and foregoing answers made by the witnesses which 

were duly recorded by me by means of Stenomask or Stenotype, 

which is reduced to written form under my direction and 

supervision, and that this is, to the best of my knowledge 

and belief, a true and correct transcript. 

 I further certify that I am neither of counsel 

to either party or interested in the event of this case. 

 This 10th day of August, 2014. 

 _______________________________ 

Amelia W. Mount, Court Reporter 

Notary Public, Wake County, 

North Carolina 

Notary Number: 20021680310