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OPEN HEARING: NOMINATIONS OF: VICE ADMIRAL 

JOSEPH MAGUIRE USN (RET.) TO BE DIRECTOR, 

NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER; AND 

ELLEN E. MCCARTHY TO BE ASSISTANT 

SECRETARY FOR INTELLIGENCE AND RESEARCH, 

DEPARTMENT OF STATE 

HEARING 

BEFORE THE

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

OF THE

UNITED STATES SENATE 

ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS 

SECOND SESSION 

WEDNESDAY, JULY 25, 2018 

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

[Established by S. Res. 400, 94th Cong., 2d Sess.] 

RICHARD BURR, North Carolina, Chairman 

MARK R. WARNER, Virginia, Vice Chairman 

JAMES E. RISCH, Idaho 

MARCO RUBIO, Florida 

SUSAN COLLINS, Maine 

ROY BLUNT, Missouri 

JAMES LANKFORD, Oklahoma 

TOM COTTON, Arkansas 

JOHN CORNYN, Texas 

DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California 

RON WYDEN, Oregon 

MARTIN HEINRICH, New Mexico 

ANGUS KING, Maine 

JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia 

KAMALA HARRIS, California 

MITCH MCCONNELL, Kentucky, Ex Officio 

CHUCK SCHUMER, New York, Ex Officio 

JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona, Ex Officio 

JACK REED, Rhode Island, Ex Officio 

CHRIS JOYNER, Staff Director 

MICHAEL CASEY, Minority Staff Director 

KELSEY STROUD BAILEY, Chief Clerk 

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CONTENTS 

JULY 25, 2018 

OPENING STATEMENTS 

Burr, Hon. Richard, Chairman, a U.S. Senator from North Carolina ................ 1 

Warner, Mark R., Vice Chairman, a U.S. Senator from Virginia ........................ 3 

WITNESSES 

Vice Admiral Joseph Maguire, USN (Ret.), Nominated to be Director, National Counterterrorism Center .......................................................................... 5 

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 8 

Ellen E. McCarthy, Nominated to be Assistant Secretary for Intelligence 

and Research, Department of State .................................................................... 12 

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 15 

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL 

Nomination material for Joseph Maguire 

Questionnaire for Completion by Presidential Nominees ............................. 34 

Additional Prehearing Questions .................................................................... 52 

Additional Prehearing Questions for the Record ........................................... 66 

Nomination material for Ellen E. McCarthy 

Questionnaire for Completion by Presidential Nominees ............................. 73 

Additional Prehearing Questions .................................................................... 88 

Additional Prehearing Questions for the Record ........................................... 118 

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OPEN HEARING: NOMINATIONS OF: VICE 

ADMIRAL JOSEPH MAGUIRE USN (RET.) 

TO BE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL 

COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER; 

AND ELLEN E. MCCARTHY TO BE 

ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTELLIGENCE 

AND RESEARCH, DEPARTMENT OF STATE 

WEDNESDAY, JULY 25, 2018 

U.S. SENATE, 

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, 

Washington, DC. 

The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:43 a.m., in Room 

SH–216, Hart Senate Office Building, Hon. Richard Burr (Chairman of the Committee) presiding. 

Present: Senators Burr, Warner, Collins, Blunt, Lankford, Cotton, Cornyn, Feinstein, Wyden, King, and Harris. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD BURR, CHAIRMAN, A 

U.S. SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA 

Chairman BURR. I’d like to call this hearing to order, and I’d like 

to welcome our witnesses today: Vice Admiral Joseph Maguire, 

President Trump’s nominee for Director of the National Counterterrorism Center; and Ellen McCarthy, President Trump’s nominee for 

Assistant Secretary for Intelligence and Research. Congratulations 

to both of you on your nominations, and I want to thank both of 

you for your years of honorable service to the United States. 

I’d like to start by recognizing the family that you’ve brought 

with you today. Vice Admiral Maguire, I understand you have your 

wife Kathy, soon to do some intervention this afternoon at house 

shopping. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Chairman. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. As well as your daughter Catherine, your son 

Dan, and your daughter-in-law Jackie. Welcome to all of you. 

Ms. McCarthy, I believe you have your husband, Gordon. He’s 

been through similar of these before and we’re thankful—he’s here 

along with your children Liam—— 

Ms. MCCARTHY. And Eileen. 

Chairman BURR [continuing]. And Eileen, and your mother-inlaw Dawn Hannah. Welcome to all of you. 

I want to thank you for the support of these nominees. I’m confident that they would not be here if it wasn’t for your years of encouragement and, potentially more importantly, your patience. 

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Our goal in conducting this hearing is to enable the committee 

to consider Vice Admiral Maguire’s and Ms. McCarthy’s qualifications and to allow for thoughtful deliberation by our members. 

The witnesses each have already provided substantive written 

responses to numerous questions presented by the committee and 

its members. Today, of course, members will be able to ask additional questions and hear directly from the nominees. 

Vice Admiral Maguire graduated from Manhattan College and 

received his master’s degree from the Naval Postgraduate School. 

He then served 36 years in the United States Navy as a Navy special warfare officer. 

During that time, he commanded at every level, serving as the 

commanding officer of the Naval Special Warfare Center and SEAL 

Team 2, as well as with the Naval Special Warfare Command. 

From 2007–2010, Vice Admiral Maguire served as the deputy director for strategic and operational planning at NCTC. 

Following his government service, he served as Vice President at 

Booz Allen, leading Booz Allen’s efforts to support the special operations community. 

The Vice Admiral currently serves as the President and CEO of 

the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. Thank you for that, 

Admiral. 

Ms. McCarthy earned her undergraduate degree from the University of South Carolina and her master’s degree in public policy 

from the University of Maryland. Earlier in her career, Ms. McCarthy served as an intelligence research specialist for the United 

States Atlantic Command, the chief of intelligence operations and 

policies for the United States Coast Guard, and then as director of 

human capital management in the Human Capital Management 

Office in the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. 

Ms. McCarthy served as the President of the Intelligence and 

National Security Alliance from 2008 until 2012, and then as the 

chief operating officer of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency from 2012 to 2015. 

Ms. McCarthy currently serves as the vice President for intelligence analytics at Noblis, an independent non-profit science and 

technology organization that serves Federal law enforcement and 

intelligence agency clients. 

Vice Admiral Maguire, you’ve been asked to lead the NCTC at 

a time when we’re facing threats from state and non-state actors 

alike, while we’re engaged in a robust debate at home on the scope 

and scale of intelligence collection and what authorities are right, 

appropriate and lawful. 

I trust that you’ll speak truth to power as the Director of National Intelligence works through some incredibly complex and divisive issues. 

Ms. McCarthy, it’s important that the leader at the State Department’s intelligence community component engage in ongoing and 

substantive work with the rest of the intelligence community. I 

trust that your leadership of I&R will only increase that collaboration and improve its contribution to the IC. 

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The committee will ask both to be responsive, transparent and 

timely in our interactions. These are absolutely necessary conditions for us to conduct effective and real-time oversight. 

As I’ve mentioned to other nominees during their confirmation 

hearing, I can assure you that this committee will continue to 

faithfully follow its charter and conduct vigorous and real-time 

oversight over the intelligence community, its operations and its 

activities. We will ask difficult and probing questions of you and 

your staff, and we expect honest, complete, and timely responses. 

I enjoyed meeting with both of you and discussing your qualifications and reasons for pursuing public service. I’m confident in your 

ability to lead NCTC and I&R, and I look forward to supporting 

your nominations and ensuring their consideration without delay. 

I want to thank both of you again for being here, for your years 

of service to our country. And I look forward to your testimony. 

I’ll now recognize the Vice Chairman for any comments he might 

like to make. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MARK R. WARNER, VICE 

CHAIRMAN, A U.S. SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to 

echo your comments and welcome our nominees. 

Vice Admiral Maguire, it’s good to see you. I enjoyed our visit. 

Ms. McCarthy, welcome as well. You’ve both been nominated to 

two of the most important positions in the intelligence community 

at obviously a critical juncture for our country. You both have long 

and impressive records of achievement, and I applaud your willingness to once again provide public service. 

The NCTC is the IC’s top organization for tracking and countering the continuing threat from terrorism. We know that we still 

have many men and women on the front line in the fight against 

terrorism, and it only takes one slip-up for awful things to happen. 

As we discussed, Admiral, though, your job and your ability to 

do your job is going to be only as good as your ability to maintain 

a strong relationship with our allies and partners. Obviously, during this time period, when it appears at times our President is 

more interested in punching our adversary and allies—or punching 

our allies in the nose rather than our adversaries, I think building 

those relationships and keeping them strong is going to be terribly 

important. 

Ms. McCarthy, the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence 

and Research is a small but critical component of the IC. One only 

has to think back to the intelligence assessments on Iraq’s WMD 

to recall that it was I&R that urged a note of caution during that 

time. And truth was, I&R was right and most of the rest of the 

community was wrong. Again, it’s going to be very important that 

you continue to provide that support for the men and women who 

serve in the State Department all around—all around the world. 

One of the things about this committee I’m so proud of is that 

we do work in a common pattern, but one of the things that I’m 

going to look for from both of you is an ironclad commitment that 

the men and women who will be working for both of you will be 

empowered to continue to assess and analyze intelligence upon 

which our Nation depends, free from political interference. 

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We’ve talked about this in the past. It is more important than 

ever that the intelligence community feels they have the freedom 

to speak truth to power. Now, challenges may be if the power 

doesn’t listen to the truth at this point, but our job is still to make 

sure truth to power regardless of other—regardless of any other 

considerations. 

And that is, again, made more difficult when, unfortunately, this 

White House, if they’re not punching our allies, occasionally seems 

to be undermining the integrity of our intelligence community, 

which I think is quite different. 

I’m also concerned with some of the President’s recent actions in 

terms of threatening to remove security clearances from former intelligence officials, what appears to be simply based upon their exercising their First Amendment rights. The truth is, again, the IC, 

which has always been valued with its independence, cannot give 

in to that kind of political pressure or manipulation. And I’m going 

to be, again, trying to get you both on the record to make sure that 

both of you and that the men and women who work for you will 

maintain that, maintain that independence. 

Finally, I just want to note for the record that tomorrow, July 26, 

will be the sixth year in a row that I and all of my colleagues on 

this committee will honor the men and women who serve in silence 

in the agencies and components of the intelligence community. Tomorrow will mark 71 years since President Truman signed into law 

the National Security Act of 1947, which formed the basis for today’s IC. 

It’s a small token, what we do tomorrow, in terms of a resolution 

from Congress recognizing that service. But since so many of these 

men and women who work for you will always have to serve in 

some degree of anonymousness, it is important that those of us in 

Congress put forward that message, recognizing the IC professionals for the enormous job they do each and every day to keep 

our Nation straight and secure. 

Again, I want to thank both of you for your willingness to step 

forward. We look forward to this hearing and look forward to supporting your nominations as well. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you, Vice Chairman. 

Vice Admiral and Ms. McCarthy, would you please stand and 

raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear to give the committee the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 

you God? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. I do. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. I do. 

Chairman BURR. Please be seated. 

Before we move to your statements, I’ll ask you to answer five 

standard questions the committee poses to each nominee who appears before us. They’re just a simple yes or no answer for the 

record. Do both of you agree to appear before the committee here 

and in other venues when invited? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Yes, Chairman. 

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Chairman BURR. If confirmed, do you agree to send officials from 

your office to appear before the committee and designated staff 

when invited? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Chairman. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to provide documents or any other 

materials requested by the committee in order for us to carry out 

our oversight and legislative responsibilities? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Will you both ensure that your office and your 

staff provide such materials to the committee when requested? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, sir. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to inform and fully brief, to the 

fullest extent possible, all members of the committee of the intelligence activities and covert actions, rather than only the Chair 

and Vice Chairman? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Mr. Chair. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Yes, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. I want to thank you very much for that. 

We’ll now proceed to your opening statements, after which I’ll 

recognize members by seniority for up to five minutes of questions. 

Vice Admiral Maguire, I’ll ask you to begin, followed by Ms. 

McCarthy. Vice Admiral, the floor is yours. 

TESTIMONY OF VICE ADMIRAL JOSEPH MAGUIRE USN (RET.), 

NOMINATED TO BE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, sir. 

Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman Warner, members of the committee: Thank you very much for this opportunity to appear before 

you this morning. I’d like to add my own special thanks and appreciation to the efforts of the committee staffers, as well as many officers at ODNI and NCTC. I have recently become very aware that 

there’s a tremendous amount of work that goes into a confirmation 

hearing. 

Mr. Chairman, I realize that all prior nominees to be the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center were well known to 

this committee when they appeared before here for their nomination, having served as either acting directors of NCTC or a time of 

their responsibility within the Federal Government. I’m honored to 

appear before this committee today to introduce myself and discuss 

my credentials. 

But first, I’d like to once again, sir, take a moment to recognize 

my family: as you said, my son Dan and my daughter-in-law Jackie 

from Chicago; my daughter Catherine, who lives in Tampa. In addition to that, I’d also like to recognize one of my daughters from 

a military family, Kelly McRaven, who is here, the daughter of Admiral and Mrs. Bill McRaven. While I was in uniform, my children 

lived in Virginia, California, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and Florida, 

and some of those states at multiple times. They too have served 

and given much to our country. 

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Last, my wife Kathy. She’s graduated to supported—excuse me. 

She’s guided and supported me for 42 years. Kathy raised our children during my many and long deployments and dedicated her life 

to serving the men and women of our armed forces and families. 

For the three years that I was assigned to NCTC, Kathy met every 

single special operator who was severely wounded when they arrived at either Walter Reed or Bethesda Naval Hospital, sometimes 

in the middle of the night. 

Then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates awarded Kathy the Department of Defense medal for distinguished public service for her 

support to hundreds of wounded service members and their families, and she did this throughout our career. 

Although I was the one in uniform for 36 years, she served too. 

Mr. Chairman, I come from a community where service above self 

is expected and there is no greater honor than to be asked to lead. 

So, when offered the opportunity to return to government service 

as the Director of NCTC, there was no other answer than yes. 

I’m honored by the trust and confidence of the President and the 

Director of National Intelligence in my ability to serve our Nation’s 

counterterrorism enterprise. Few Americans have had the privilege 

that I have this morning. I want to thank you for considering my 

nomination to be the next Director of the National Counterterrorism Center and, if confirmed, pledge to be transparent, collaborative with this committee and members of Congress. 

It was my distinct privilege to serve as the deputy director of 

strategic operational planning when NCTC was led by Director 

Scott Redd and Mike Leiter. From my experience working in the 

interagency and the eventual successes we had, I’m convinced that 

winning this counterterrorism fight can only be achieved through 

a coordinated and synchronized whole of government approach. I 

look to the example of my friend Admiral Bill McRaven, the joint 

special operations commander, JSOC commander, during the raid 

on Osama Bin Laden compound in Abbottabad. This highly sensitive operation was not only an intelligence community and Defense Department campaign, but in truth it was the result of a disciplined interagency process. 

Looking back over the last 17 years since September 11, 2001, 

the United States, working with our partners and allies, has made 

tremendous progress in our ability to detect and disrupt multiactor sophisticated terrorist attacks. We’ve built a robust counterterrorism apparatus that has significantly increased our ability to 

protect the homeland as well as share valuable information with 

our own government and our global partners. However, significant 

challenges still remain and the U.S. and our allies face an increasingly complex terrorism landscape that includes homegrown violent 

extremists, Sunni violent extremist groups such as ISIS and Al 

Qaida, and Shia violent extremists backed by Iran. 

I think it’s fair to say that we face more threats originating from 

more places and from more individuals than we have had in the 

last 17 years. Given this threat environment, I’m committed to ensuring that NCTC and the broader IC remain vigilant, innovative, 

and adaptive as our adversaries are persistent. 

We’ve made great strides dismantling ISIS, Al Qaida, and other 

terrorist organizations. However, the past 17 years have shown us 

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that bullets and drone strikes alone are not sufficient to counter 

violent extremist organizations. To ultimately win this fight, we 

must address the causes and conditions that inspire men and 

women to join terrorist organizations and radicalize to violence. 

Mr. Chairman, I will bring all my energy and a sense of urgency 

to this position, leadership experience in both government and industry, a reputation for speaking truth to power, trust, confidence 

and personal relationships with many of our current national security leaders, and the ability to build a strong relationship. 

I will pursue a number of important priorities if confirmed as the 

Director of the National Counterterrorism Center and I’ve outlined 

these priorities in my written statement for the record, and I look 

forward to discussing these issues with the committee in greater 

length in the future. 

Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman Warner, members of this committee, thank you very much for this opportunity. I look forward 

to your questions. 

[The prepared statement of Admiral Maguire follows:] 

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Statement for the Record 

Retired Vice Adm. Joseph Maguire 

Nominee for Director, National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 25, 2018 

Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman Warner, and members of the committee-thank you very much 

for the opportunity to appear before you today. I would like to add my special thanks and 

appreciation for the efforts of the Committee staff, as well as many officers at ODNI and NCTC, 

as I have recently become aware there is a tremendous amount of preparation that goes into a 

confirmation hearing. 

Mr. Chairman, I realize that all prior nominees to be Director of the National Counterterrorism 

Center were well known to this committee, having served as either acting directors ofNCTC at 

the time of their nomination or in positions of great responsibility within the federal government. 

I am honored to appear before this committee today to introduce myself and discuss my 

credentials. 

I spent over three decades serving our nation. I had to look no further than my own family to 

learn the value and honor of public service. My father was a combat infantryman in World War 

IT and went on to serve in the Army Reserve following the war, retiring as a colonel after 30 

years of service. He was also a career civil servant, employed as the chief budget examiner for 

New York City. Both my brothers served in the Navy, and my brother Ben was a career naval 

officer. When I took off my uniform in 20 I 0, it was the first time in 70 years that a member of 

my immediate family was not wearing the cloth of our nation. 

My grandfather, godfather, and cousins were New York City policemen. My mother graduated 

from Hunter College in the 1930s and dedicated her life to teaching in New York City public 

schools. My family is an example of public service and inspiration. 

I would like to take a moment to introduce members of my family with me today. My son, Dan, 

and his wife Jackie from Chicago, and my daughter Catherine who lives in Tampa. Her husband, 

Sean could not be with us this morning but he is here in spirit. While I was in uniform, my 

children lived in Virginia, California, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and Florida. They too have served 

and have given much to support my career. 

Lastly, my wife Kathy. A few weeks after our wedding, we drove across country to Coronado, 

California where I began SEAL Basic Training. She has guided, supported, and strengthened me 

for 42 years. Kathy raised our children during my many and long deployments, and dedicated her 

life to serving the men and women of our armed forces and their families. I lost many men when 

I was Commander of Naval Special Warfare, II in a single day. Kathy comforted and consoled 

the widows, children, mothers, and fathers of our fallen. She was a volunteer member of the 

United States Special Operations Care Coalition, an office established in USSOCOM dedicated 

to serving our severely wounded servicemembers and their families. For three years, while I was 
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assigned to NCTC, Kathy met every wounded special operator as they arrived at Walter Reed or 

Bethesda Naval Hospital, sometimes in the middle of the night. 

Then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates awarded Kathy the Department of Defense Medal for 

Distinguished Public Service for her support to hundreds of wounded service members and their 

families. The Special Operations Community presented her with their Patriot Award for her 

service. My former SEAL teammates send her text messages on Mother's Day. I guess the best 

thing can say about my wife it that I have never met anyone like her. 

My family's love and support means everything to me, and I am very glad they are with me 

today. 

I come from a community where service above self is expected and that there is no greater honor 

than to lead. So, when offered the opportunity to return to public service as director ofNCTCthere was no other answer than yes. 

I am honored by the President's and the Director ofNational Intelligence's trust and confidence 

in my ability to serve our nation's counterterrorism (CT) enterprise. I am also equally honored to 

appear before this Committee. Few Americans have had the privilege I have this morning. I want 

to thank all of you for considering my nomination to be the next NCTC director and, if 

confirmed, pledge to be transparent and collaborative with this Committee and Congress. 

It was my distinct privilege to serve as Deputy Director for Strategic Operational Planning when 

NCTC was led by Director Scott Redd and then by Director Mike Leiter. NCTC was still in its 

formative years when I arrived in 2007 and given the mission to integrate the national CT effort 

through effective planning and strategy development. It was a challenge at first to overcome 

bureaucratic turf battles, resolve disagreements, and effectively formulate strategic operational 

planning. Statutes give you authority, but trust and partnerships produce results. And leadership 

is all about results. 

From my experience working in the interagency and the eventual successes we had while I was 

at NCTC, I am convinced that winning this counterterrorism fight can only be achieved through 

a coordinated and synchronized whole-of-government approach. I look to the example of my 

friend, Admiral Bill Me Raven, the Joint Special Operations Command- or JSOC- Commander 

during the raid on Usama Bin Ladin's compound in Abbottabad. This highly-sensitive operation 

was not only an intelligence community and defense department campaign, but the result of a 

disciplined, inter-agency process. 

Looking back over the last 17 years since September 11, 200 I, the United States-working with 

our partners and allies-has made tremendous progress in our ability to detect and disrupt multiactor, sophisticated terrorist attacks. We have built a robust counterterrorism apparatus that has 

significantly increased our ability to protect the Homeland as well as share valuable information 

within our own government and with our global partners. However, significant challenges 

remain and the U.S. and its allies face an increasingly complex terrorist landscape that includes 

homegrown violent extremists, Sunni violent extremist groups such as ISIS and al-Qa'lda, and 

Shia violent extremists backed by Iran. 

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Having been out of government for a while, I don't have the insight that access to classified 

information would provide. I do, however, stay informed through open source reporting and my 

personal relationships within the special operations and intelligence communities. As this 

committee is well aware, the U.S.-led coalition's aggressive counterterrorism actions against 

ISIS have resulted in the group losing nearly all of the territory it once controlled in both Iraq 

and Syria. Despite these setbacks, ISIS's ability to launch an insurgency in Syria and Iraq and 

maintain a global network has not yet been sufficiently diminished, and the consistent tempo of 

ISIS-directed and ISIS-inspired terrorist activity is a reminder of the group's continued global 

reach. 

Beyond ISIS, al-Qa'ida's global network retains the intent to carry out attacks against the U.S. 

and other allied interests, with varying degrees of capability due to sustained CT pressure. In 

addition to the threat emanating from Sunni terrorist groups, Iran remains the foremost state 

sponsor of terrorism, providing financial aid, advanced weapons and tactics, and direction to 

militant and terrorist groups across the Middle East, all while it cultivates its own network of 

operatives across the globe as part of its international attack infrastructure. 

In the U.S., the most immediate threat is from homegrown violent extremists, especially as 

extremist propaganda encourages simple tactics with readily available weapons that do not 

require specialized training and present fewer opportunities for law enforcement detection. 

Homegrown violent extremists are also geographically dispersed across the U.S., with no 

distinctive hotspots of radicalization, underscoring the importance ofNCTC and its partners 

sharing information and collaborating with stakeholders across the country at federal, state, local, 

territorial, and tribal levels, as well as the private sector. 

Given this threat environment, I am committed to ensuring NCTC and the broader IC remain as 

vigilant, innovative, and adaptive as our adversaries are persistent. We have made great strides 

dismantling ISIS, al-Qa'ida, and other terrorist organizations-however, the past 17 years have 

shown us that bullets and drone strikes alone are not sufficient to counter violent extremist 

organizations in Iraq, Syria, and other safe havens. To ultimately win this fight, we must address 

the causes and conditions that inspire men and women to join terrorist organizations and 

radicalize to violence. To do this, we must increase our efforts to prevent violent extremist 

ideology from taking root. 

I would bring to this position leadership experience in both government and industry; a 

reputation of speaking truth to power; trust, confidence, and personal relationships with many of 

our current national security leaders; and, the ability to build strong partnerships. If confirmed by 

the Senate, I would ensure that NCTC provides greater security for our nation, and does so while 

protecting fundamental American values. 

I would like to briefly provide a few priorities if confirmed as NCTC director. First, I will work 

to develop and retain the dedicated men and women ofNCTC, who continue to drive the 

Center's mission and organization. Their insights and actions contribute to the effective 

discovery and disruption of terrorists who aim to do us harm. I will concentrate on the training, 

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well-being, and professional development of the current workforce and ensure that we attract the 

next generation ofCT analysts to tackle our nation's future CT challenges. 

Second, as a military commander, I relied heavily on intelligence analysis to support my 

operational decisions and strategic planning. I believe NCTC' s threat analysis role is key to our 

government's ability to mitigate terrorist threats and protect Americans at home and abroad. I 

firmly resolve to uphold NCTC's analytic integrity and objectivity, and will ensure the Center's 

unique ability to fuse intelligence collected both inside and outside the U.S. continues to be a 

powerful capability against the terrorism threat. 

Third, a shared understanding of the terrorism threat and maintaining situational awareness 

across the U.S. government are key to an effective, coordinated, and unified response to 

terrorism. I will ensure that NCTC continues to provide a vital one-stop shop for U.S. 

government policymakers and operators, staffed by experts from nearly 20 departments and 

agencies. 

Fourth, figuring out who the bad guys are, who they are connected with, and tracking their 

movements-it's the most tactically important thing we do in the CT world. From my time at 

NCTC, I vividly recall the tireless efforts of my colleagues to maintain the U.S. government's 

central and shared knowledge bank of known and suspected terrorists. I am committed to 

continually reviewing and refining the Center's capabilities in this area, as the rapid evolution of 

technology and proliferation of information has made tracking terrorists even more difficult. 

Fifth, NCTC' s role in integrating all instruments of national power against terrorism is essential 

because, in my experience as a military officer, one instrument of national power alone is often 

not sufficient to overcome the toughest challenges we face as a country. I will ensure we refine 

strategic plans for the CT community and synchronize our efforts to defeat violent extremist 

organizations that threaten our homeland and our nation's interests. 

Finally, in the face of competing national security priorities, it is vital that the CT community 

maintains a steady pulse on the terrorism threat. As the national intelligence manager for CT, I 

will lead an integrated and collaborative CT enterprise that values the important contributions of 

its partners-both foreign and domestic. I will ensure we are maximizing our resources to protect 

the American people and are positioned to collect and assess intelligence against the highest 

priority terrorism threats. 

In conclusion, as a boy, I watched the twin towers go up and, as a special operator, saw them 

come down. I have lost friends in this fight, and need no reminder of the threat we face every 

day. If confirmed, I will bring all my energy and a sense of urgency to the position and carry out 

my duties as Director of the National Counterterrorism Center to the best of my ability. 

Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman Warner, and members of the Committee, thank you for this 

opportunity. I look forward to answering your questions. 

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Chairman BURR. Vice Admiral, thank you. 

Ms. McCarthy, the floor is yours. 

STATEMENT OF ELLEN E. McCARTHY, NOMINATED TO BE ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTELLIGENCE AND RESEARCH, 

DEPARTMENT OF STATE 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Thank you. Chairman Burr, Ranking Member 

Warner, members of the committee: I am truly honored to appear 

before you today. I am so pleased to be joined by my family, my 

husband of over 22 years, Gordon Hannah, who’s always been my 

biggest supporter and my best friend. We are we’re joined by our 

remarkable children Liam and Eileen Hannah, of whom I’m immensely proud. They inspire me to be a better person, a better citizen, and a better servant. 

But I also have to recognize my mother-in-law, my cousins, my 

coworkers, everybody who’s standing behind me today. I thank you 

all for your continued support. I don’t think I would be here without any one of you. Thank you. 

I also want to recognize my esteemed colleague Admiral Joe 

Maguire, the nominee for Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, a true patriot who had an incredibly distinguished 

career in the naval special warfare community and continues to 

serve today as the President and CEO of the Special Operations 

Foundation. Joe, I’m thrilled to spend this moment in time with 

you today. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Thank you. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. I also want to thank President Trump and Secretary Pompeo for their confidence and trust and for providing me 

the opportunity to again serve our country. If confirmed, I would 

be most proud to lead the women and the men of the Bureau of 

Intelligence and Research and to work with the agencies in the 

U.S. intelligence community in support of the mission of the State 

Department. 

Over the last few weeks, I’ve been asked by many why would I 

want to return to government. The answer is quite simple. I’m motivated by service and working hard and I’m passionate about the 

intelligence community and its role in securing this great Nation. 

I also believe that, if confirmed, my broad intelligence community 

experience and deep expertise in the business of intelligence can 

help the Bureau of Intelligence and Research grow its impact on 

the mission of the State Department. 

The call to serve and work ethic is embedded in my DNA. My 

father, a former tax attorney and college professor, worked literally 

until the day he died. He was a brilliant lawyer whose motivation 

was not salary, but helping people with their tax problems or 

teaching—teaching and mentoring young people interested in pursuing degrees and careers in accounting and taxation. 

My mother to this day is always looking to the future and identifying things she can do to help, whether it’s volunteering at the 

polls or serving in her local nursing home. Their experience inspired me to start working at the age of 13 and my first jobs included delivering newspapers, waiting tables and tending bars. 

Self-actualization for me was doing a great job and making others 

happy. 

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My passion for the intelligence community was almost immediate. I started as a Soviet submarine analyst during the Cold War 

and learned very quickly about the value of good intelligence. I’ll 

never forget the feedback I received from a mission commander 

when he indicated that the mission was a success, in large part because of the support I had provided. That moment was absolutely 

cathartic and it was the moment I was hooked. Even today, I want 

to be part of a community that informs policymakers, supports diplomats, war fighters and law enforcement professionals, and helps 

them do their jobs better. 

If confirmed, I will bring with me the same desire, plus more 

than 30 years of service across the IC and the private sector. When 

I started in government the late 1980s, people were hired by one 

organization and there they pretty much stayed. My career followed a different path, one that has provided me a broad understanding of the IC as well as deep expertise in the business of intelligence, which includes requirements, budget, vision, strategy. 

I’ve spent a career taking organizations to a new level. In order, 

Senators, to stay within my time limit, I am going to refer you to 

my statement for the record, which provides a snapshot of my accomplishments. But I hope in your review you’ll see that I left 

every organization better than when I started, or at least I certainly tried. 

So I’m absolutely thrilled at the prospect of returning to government in support of Secretary Pompeo and the State Department 

and will leverage my broad experience inside and outside government and the critical relations I have developed throughout my career. 

I will place a special focus on growing I&R’s impact on the State 

Department mission. The Bureau of Intelligence and Research has 

a long and very proud history in providing in-depth all-source analysis, intelligence policy and coordination, and analytic outreach 

that have guided our Nation’s foreign policy. With its unique mix 

of Foreign Service and civil service professionals, it really plays an 

outsized role in the intelligence community. 

If confirmed, I will work hard to ensure that I&R continues to 

recruit and train the highest quality and diverse staff. It would be 

my first priority to provide them with the tools and resources they 

need to continue to provide value to the Secretary and Department 

policy makers. 

Equally important, I will vigorously defend the integrity of the 

analytic process to ensure independence and unbiased analysis— 

the I&R brand. I will be vigilant that intelligence and sensitive intelligence-related law enforcement activities are consistent with 

and support our foreign policy and national security objectives. 

Finally, I will leverage my experience in the intelligence community, both inside and outside of government, to enhance I&R’s and 

the IC’s analytic outreach efforts with a focus on building I&R’s 

well-established expertise in foreign policy and intelligence issues. 

So Mr. Chairman, Vice Chairman, if confirmed I’ll bring extensive experience across the IC and the private sector, a passion to 

serve, and relevant skills to the position of Assistant Secretary for 

Intelligence and Research. I’ll work tirelessly to ensure that the 

I&R continues to provide the President, the Secretary of State, and 

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other senior policymakers with timely and independent intelligence 

analysis and that our intelligence analysis activities support our 

foreign policy and national security objectives. 

With that, thank you for your consideration and I’m happy to answer any questions you may have. 

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Statement of Ellen E. McCarthy 

Nominee to be Assistant Secretary of State Intelligence and Research 

Submitted to Senate Select Committee Intelligence 

July 25, 2018 

Chairman Burr, Ranking Member Warner, members of the Committee, I am honored to appear 

before you today. 

I am pleased to be joined by members of my family; my husband for over 22 years Gordon 

Hannah, who has always been my biggest supporter and best friend. We are joined by our 

remarkable children, Liam and Eileen Hannah, of whom I am immensely proud. They inspire me 

to be a better person, a better citizen and a better servant. 

I also want to recognize my esteemed colleague, Admiral Joe Maguire, the nominee for Director 

National Counterterrorism Center, a true patriot who had an incredibly distinguished career in 

the naval special warfare community and continues to serve today as the President and CEO of 

the Special Operations Foundation. Joe, I am thrilled to spend this moment with you. 

I want to thank President Trump and Secretary Pompeo for their confidence and trust and for 

providing me the opportunity to again serve our country. If confirmed, I would be most proud to 

lead the women and men of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research and to work with the 

agencies in the U.S. intelligence community in support of the mission of the Department of State. 

Over the last few weeks I have been asked about why I would want to return to government? 

The answer is simple. I am motivated by service and working hard, and I am passionate about 

the intelligence community and its role in securing this great nation. I also believe that if 

confirmed my broad Intelligence Community experience and deep expertise in the business of 

intelligence can help the Bureau of Intelligence and Research grow its impact on the mission of 

the State Department. 

The call to serve and work ethic is embedded in my DNA. My father, a former tax attorney and 

college professor, worked until the day he died. He was a brilliant lawyer, whose motivation 

was not salary, but helping people with their tax problems, or teaching and mentoring young 

people interested in pursuing degrees in accounting and taxation. My mother, to this day is 

always looking to the future and identifying things she can do to help- whether it is volunteering 

at the polls, serving in nursing homes, leading her local communities' beautification efforts. 

Their experience inspired me to start working at age 13 and my first jobs included delivering 

newspapers, waiting tables, and tending bars. Self-actualization for me was doing a great job 

and making others happy. 

My passion for the Intelligence Community was almost immediate. I started as a Soviet 

submarine analyst during the Cold War, and learned very quickly about the value of good 

intelligence. I will never forget the feedback I received from a mission commander when he 

indicated that the mission was a success because of the support I had provided. It was absolutely 

cathartic, and from that moment on I was hooked. Even today, I want to be a part of a 

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community that infonns policy makers, supports diplomats, warfighters, and law enforcement 

professionals to do their jobs better. The better the IC is at its job, the better my family, I and our 

country can sleep at night knowing that our country is secure. 

If confinned, I will bring with me this same desire to serve, plus more than thirty years of service 

across the IC and the private sector. When I started in government in the late 1980s, people were 

hired by one organization and there they stayed. My career followed a different path, one that 

has provided me a broad understanding of the intelligence mission as well as deep expertise in 

the business of intelligence to include people, requirements, budget, vision and strategy. I have 

spent a career taking organizations to a new level. 

My career started in the Navy as an all source analyst, first at the Office of Naval Intelligence 

and later as the Deputy Director for Analysis at the Atlantic Intelligence Command. My very 

satisfying career in analysis took a turn when the United States Coast Guard recruited me to help 

build their intelligence collection capabilities and ultimately take the lead in a campaign to gain 

and later implement Coast Guard membership in the IC. Following this successful campaign, I 

was asked to help stand up the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. There, 

I took the lead in two important areas: advising the Under Secretary on implementation of the 

Intelligence Refonn and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 and its impact on the defense 

intelligence components; and development and implementation of the Defense Intelligence 

Civilian Personnel System-- a system still in place today to manage the perfonnance of the 

civilian workforce. 

After government, I had the honor of serving as President of the Intelligence and National 

Security Alliance (INSA), the IC's think tank and a forum for collaboration among the public, 

private and academic sectors. INSA brings together experts in and out of government to 

identify, develop and promote practical and creative solutions to national security problems such 

as acquisition refonn, personnel security, insider threat, and cyber security. This was one of my 

proudest achievements, not because it was fiscally stronger when I left than when I started, but 

because I worked with incredible colleagues across the private sector and academia who play a 

critical role in the IC' s success. From INSA, I returned to government to assist the Director of 

the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency in leading the agency's operations with a special 

focus on realigning budget, requirements, and people to implement the Director's vision. 

Most recently, I am the Vice President for Intelligence and Analytics at Nob lis, a nonprofit 

organization that provides scientific and technical solutions to the national security sectors 

toughest problems, and first serving as the President of a subsidiary organization. Not only is 

our business thriving, but I have expanded my understanding of the tools and capabilities that 

analysts need to succeed and be secure in a digital environment. 

Ultimately, throughout my career my overarching drive has been the people. Whether the people 

to whom I delivered newspapers on my route as a teenager, the policy makers in government 

who I briefed on current intelligence, or the future leaders of the IC who I have mentored over 

the years. My inspiration comes from the professional and talented workforce of this dedicated 

intelligence community. 

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l am thrilled at the prospect of returning to government in support of Secretary Pompeo and the 

State Department and will leverage my broad experience inside and outside government, and the 

critical relationships I have developed through my career. I will place a special focus on 

growing INR' s impact on the State Department mission. The Bureau of Intelligence and 

Research has a long and very proud history in providing in-depth all-source analysis, intelligence 

policy and coordination and analytic outreach that has guided our nation's foreign policy. With 

its unique mix of Foreign Service and Civil Service professionals, it plays an out-sized role in the 

Intelligence Community. 

If confirmed, I will work hard to ensure that INR continues to recruit and train the highest quality 

and diverse staff and make it my first priority to provide them with the tools and resources they 

need to continue to provide value to the Secretary and Department policymakers. Equally 

important, I will vigorously defend the integrity of the analytical process to ensure independence 

and unbiased analysis, the INR brand. I will be vigilant in that intelligence and sensitive 

intelligence-related law enforcement activities are consistent with, and support, our foreign 

policy and national security objectives. Finally, l will leverage my experience in the intelligence 

community- both inside and outside of government- to enhance INR's IC analytic outreach 

efforts, with a focus on building upon INR's well established expertise in foreign policy and 

intelligence issues. 

Mr. Chairman, Vice Chairman Warner, if confirmed, I will bring extensive experience across the 

IC and the private sector, a passion to serve, and relevant skills to the position of Assistant 

Secretary for Intelligence and Research. I will work tirelessly to ensure that INR continues to 

provide the President, the Secretary of State and other senior policy makers with timely, 

independent intelligence analysis and that our intelligence activities support our foreign policy 

and national security objectives. Thank you for your consideration. I am happy to answer any 

questions you may have. 

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Chairman BURR. Ms. McCarthy, thank you. I didn’t think that 

you could get a higher level of commitment from me because it was 

already high when you came in, but the bartender thing really got 

to me. 

[Laughter.] 

I want to thank both of you for being here, for pursuing this request by the Administration to serve your country in one more capacity. At this time, I’d like to recognize the Vice Chairman for 

questions. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I 

want to also echo. You both bring remarkable talent, remarkable 

background and skills, but I do feel it’s necessary—and Ms. McCarthy, you’ve already alluded to this, but we live in challenging and 

unusual times, and I need you both to state again clearly for the 

record that, should you be confirmed, that you’ll make sure that 

the men and women who work for you and for that matter you in 

these leadership roles, will make sure that the opinions you render 

will be independent, will not be politically influenced, will not be 

guided by a White House who wants one answer versus what your 

analysts may come up with. 

Obviously, you both had records in this field, but I’d like you to 

both address that, that willingness again to speak truth to power. 

Admiral first. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Well, Vice Chairman Warner, you know, to 

me, if confirmed as the Director of the National Counterterrorism 

Center—and, you know, for my 36 years in uniform, I’ve always believed it’s loyalty up and loyalty down. So although clearly the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center is a political appointee nominated by the President, I don’t think that there’s anything political about the position. 

In addition to that, as a leader of the workforce, if the analysis 

indicates that it is what it is, I think that to do otherwise and color 

and shape the information to please other folks would be a disservice to them and to the Nation. 

So I absolutely assure you that if the analysis from my workforce 

indicates that there is something that needs to be said, no matter 

what it is, I promise to tell the truth and to be able to represent 

the information and the hard analysis from the intelligence community professionals as accurately and as forthcoming as I possibly 

can, and I am more than willing to speak truth to power. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Thank you. 

Ms. McCarthy. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Senator, I make this promise to always provide 

truth to power and so will my workforce. I will tell you that I have 

a long career of working across the government for folks from many 

parties who’ve taken on many positions, and I’m proud to say that 

I’ve always given them the truth. 

Just a short story. I started my career in naval intelligence and 

I will never forget my first briefing to a Navy captain, who wanted 

something that I wasn’t going to be able to provide him. And I’ll 

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ship, and from that moment on that’s all I’ve ever provided. That’s 

all we will continue to provide. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Well, I have confidence in both of you 

in that, but I did—in these very strange times, it’s important to get 

that on the record. 

Admiral, in your previous roles both at NCTC and as head of 

Navy SEALs and Naval Special Ops—I think we talked about this 

a little bit in our visit—you understand the importance of strong 

alliances. Obviously in NCTC, you have a remarkable—your operation will have remarkable capabilities. But again, if we’re going 

to keep America safe you’re going to have to rely upon tips and information as well from allies and partners around the world. 

Again, in normal times I wouldn’t have to ask this question, but 

can you speak to that need of maintaining those alliances, those relationships, and how in light of the fact that at the political level 

there may be some challenges, where we seem to have a White 

House that sometimes treats our allies as adversaries and adversaries as friends, but can you speak to the importance of those special relationships in terms of this new task you’ll have as permanent Director of NCTC? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Vice Chairman Warner. You know, being 

a military guy and having some experience, I’ve always felt that 

you can’t have too many friends on the battlefield. And right now 

with the counterterrorism battlefield, we really need to have all of 

our partners and allies. 

I think that for our NATO allies that we have a long established 

relationship with, counterterrorism and terrorism is not new to the 

Europeans. We’ve really only become very, very sensitive to this 

after 9/11. But I remember in the 1970s and the 1980s with the 

Red Army Faction and Baader-Meinhof and all of the terrorism 

events that they had there, they’ve got tremendous experience in 

this field, but also information. 

I think the key to success in this battle is intelligence and information, and we must maintain the bridges and the relationships 

both ways, to be able to receive and to be able to provide; and I 

think that it is key and essential and I intend to—as I said, I have 

really a reputation for being able to build relationships, but I feel 

that I really don’t need to do that. My colleagues at NCTC and in 

the intelligence community right now have very deep and very 

broad relationships with our partners, with our allies. And I intend 

to capitalize that and continue to do that, but also recognize that 

we really can’t do this alone without them, and to not rely on our 

partners would be a mistake. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Let me drill down on more of a technical question. You used to be head of the NCTC’s Directorate of 

Special Operations Planning. Will you commit to—we get kind of 

into jurisdictional challenges here, but we really need, this committee needs, those DSOP documents to perform our oversight 

functions, particularly since this is mostly funded out of the NIP. 

Will you commit to work with us in making sure that this committee has access to those documents on a going-forward basis? 

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for the President and the Executive Office of the President. I am 

acutely aware and will do everything in my power to make sure 

that this committee provides oversight, and I will ensure that I will 

provide all the information necessary to this committee. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Well, again, Mr. Chairman, I want to 

thank you, and I want to thank both the witnesses for their longterm service to our country and keeping Americans safe. You’re 

going to take on very important jobs at a very important time. 

Thank you. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Thank you, Vice Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Blunt. 

Senator BLUNT. Thank you, Chairman. 

Great to have both of you here for these two really critically important jobs. Admiral Maguire, when we were by the office the 

other day, we talked a little bit about the importance of using automation to modernize the way the NCTC narrows down the information that analysts should be looking at. What do you see as the future of that and what kind of particular thing would you want this 

committee, as it supports you in that effort, to understand why 

that matters that the automation effort, some level of artificial intelligence—— 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Senator Blunt. 

Senator BLUNT [continuing]. Could be a step up? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. The main thing that I’ve heard from the 

workforce in my time engaging with those professionals in NCTC 

is the challenge with the volume of information that we have. As 

you know, NCTC is involved in watch-listing in the Terrorist Identity Data Environment, where there are literally millions of parts 

of information in there. And in order to query it, sometimes it 

takes longer than it needs to be. 

In addition to that, most of the information in that databank 

right now is biographical in nature, and as we move more to biometric information, we will need additional resources to be able to 

go and insert the biometric information, because the biographical 

information can be spoofed. You could have a false name, a false 

passport, a false identity. But it’s tough to spoof the biometrics. 

So as we go into the 21st century systems, we need to make sure 

that we have things that are readily available that the analyst can 

query and receive in a very, very timely manner, because sometimes time is of the essence. Right now, I think that the systems 

we have are good, but as we look to the future and shifting to biometrics, I think that we’re also going to need some support and resources for the computers that we need to do that. 

But mostly I feel it’s critically important to let the computers 

compute, and right now there’s an awful lot of human intervention, 

and when you have human intervention there’s also an opportunity 

for human error. 

Senator BLUNT. So the more the computers compute, the more 

the analysts can analyze? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Well, yes, sir, the more they can analyze. And 

also, we might be able to achieve some efficiencies in manpower if 

we could allow the processing to do that for us. 

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chance to see your work there as the chief operating officer. So at 

least for me, I’ve had more of an opportunity to look at what you 

do on a day-to-day—or what you’re capable of on a day-to-day 

basis. Certainly the job you’re taking is sort of an intersection of 

diplomacy and intelligence. 

As we look at what China is doing, the aggressive efforts in 

China, particularly the aggressive technical efforts, do you want to 

comment on whether that in your opinion is in line with a state 

just trying to advance itself economically? Or does that indicate a 

more aggressive strategy on the part of China in the neighborhood 

they live in and in the world? 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Senator, thank you for your question. I will tell 

you, consistent with the rest of the intelligence community right 

now, I believe China is one of our biggest focus areas. It certainly 

should be in terms of the threat now and the threat looking into 

the future. So I know, should I be confirmed for this position at 

I&R, that we will absolutely look at investing the resources that 

are necessary to continue to address this issue from a foreign policy 

perspective. 

I’ll tell you, given my experience at NGA, I&R also has a role in 

geography and mapping and working in the development of foreign 

policy. They have an office of the geographer and that is a part of 

I&R. And so I’m actually very excited to be able to work with those 

folks and to understand more of their support to the policy area, 

specifically as it relates to China, and to work my connections with 

the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. 

Senator BLUNT. Great. Thank you. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Feinstein. 

Senator FEINSTEIN. Thanks very much, Mr. Chairman. 

Mr. Maguire, I enjoyed my time with you in the office. And I’ve 

been thinking about it and I just want you to know what I treasure 

about the agency, because I read its intelligence. I appreciate the 

forward-leaning nature of some of it and the fact that over the 

years—it’s not necessary that all intelligence agencies agree, and 

that I got a somewhat very positive and good perspective from the 

intelligence overall. 

I don’t want to see that blunted. I appreciate the independence 

of the agency from other agencies. You’re a Navy SEAL. I assume 

you’re strong and independent, and I hope this will become and be 

a strong and independent agency. Would you comment, please? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Senator. To me, I think the Senate did 

a wonderful job with the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act in giving the authorities to the center. But I look at 

the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center really as the 

honest broker. And as you said, I think that there will be times 

when there might be differences with the Intelligence Committee— 

I mean community—on opinion. 

I think that if that’s the case, I mean, NCTC’s job is to analyze 

all intelligence and then make the best recommendation. But if you 

get to a point where you’ve got two members of the IC, perhaps 

with various viewpoints, I think both of those need to be presented. 

NCTC exists because prior to 9/11, as you know, the FBI and the 

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had to sort it out. NCTC’s job is to receive all the intelligence and 

to sort it out. 

So I will do my utmost to do that. And when it comes to leadership, ma’am, you can count on my leadership at the center to do 

the best I can to make sure that differences are resolved and we 

have a coordinated staffed effort and present it to both the Executive Branch and to the Legislative Branch. 

Senator FEINSTEIN. Well, let me thank you for that. I meant to 

ask it in the office and really didn’t. But you’re on the record. This 

is very important to me. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes—yes, Senator. 

Senator FEINSTEIN. Because I really prize your products, and I 

want you to know that. And if they’re slightly different, for me 

that’s important; and it gives, I think, the oversight body an opportunity to look more deeply into something. So I hope you’ll continue 

that independent tradition and I suspect you will. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Senator. 

Senator FEINSTEIN. Thank you. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. You’re welcome. 

Senator FEINSTEIN. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Lankford. 

Senator LANKFORD. Mr. Chairman, thank you. 

To both of you, thank you for stepping back up again. It is a difficult decision because you know what you’re walking into in many 

ways because you’ve both served in the government before. And especially going through the nomination process, where they ask you 

to get everything in the world you’ve ever done, said, thought or 

been and to form a list of that. To be able to put that on the public 

record is no simple thing to be able to do. And I appreciate you 

doing the work on that. 

Mr. Maguire, let me start with you. I want to ask you specific 

questions. We’ve worked before with Nick Rasmussen, who was always very open with us and was very engaged with us when we 

asked questions and gave us great detail. When he was leaving, he 

made a comment about that he was concerned about analytical 

lanes in the road for NCTC and trying to be able to make sure that 

we have clear lanes in the road and everyone kind of knows their 

job and only does theirs, but also we’re careful where we have overlap to be able to solve those problems. 

Help me understand where you’re picking this up and running 

with the ball at that point, trying to deal with the analytical lanes 

in the road? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Well, Senator Lankford, I think that what we 

need to do is take a good look at redundancies. Resources are very, 

very precious and if we have overlap and dual, then that needs to 

be addressed. I think that lanes of the road are critically important, but also different members of the intelligence community 

bring a different culture to their assessment as well. So at the National Counterterrorism Center, as you know, we receive, we analyze and integrate all intelligence possessed. 

So as far as the lanes of the road, I see two things. One, as we 

go forward, realizing that there are other priorities right now that 

are being raised and the counterterrorism community and the 

structure might perhaps be put on the back burner right now. So 

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I think that what we need to do is make sure that we reduce 

redundancies, maximize resources, and stay in the lane of the road. 

But if there is double-tap, I think it’s also not a bad thing to 

have a co-author opinion presented to the committee. 

Senator LANKFORD. By the way, which I’d agree, the redundancy 

is helpful to be able to get it, but every time we do redundancy that 

also means we’re not paying for something else that needs to be 

done. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Senator. 

Senator LANKFORD. So the balance that this committee will have 

as we walk through the process and the insight that we’ll need 

from you is: We have redundancy in this area; we could use those 

resources in another area more efficiently. You’re going to see those 

more than we will. And the polite thing to say is we just have a 

different culture and we’re going to bring a different perspective to 

it and it’s helpful to have multiple perspectives when you’re making policy decisions, and I agree. 

The difficult thing to do is to say we have redundancy here, we 

need the resources in another place, we’re underfunded in this area 

and we could use the help there. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Senator. I have the benefit of being the 

resource director of strategic assessments for United States Special 

Operations Command from 2001 to 2004. So I realize how to identify requirements and make sure that we have the appropriate resources against that. 

If confirmed by the Senate, what I intend to do is get smart, realize—to take a good look, what are the highest priorities that we 

have within the National Counterterrorism Center and the IC, 

aligning the manpower and the resources to that, and taking a look 

at where we can take risk. And if there is redundancy, obviously 

I agree with you, we can’t afford to have redundancy. And then we 

need to make a decision. 

Senator LANKFORD. The size of the directorates that are there in 

your responsibility, are you concerned about the size of any one of 

them? Do you think that there’s one that needs to be larger or 

smaller when you’re going into this? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Well, Senator, I think that—I know that there 

might have been some criticism on how did the National Counterterrorism Center get to be the size it is, and I’ve discussed that 

with the acting director and the other folks in the center. My response to that is that the size of the force, the size of the workforce, 

is appropriate because of the tasks that we’ve had. 

When I was there in 2009, we had about 700 people at the National Counterterrorism Center, but we all remember in December 

of 2009 when we had the Underwear Bomber that tried to blow up 

the aircraft over Detroit. As a result of that, then we stood up the 

Pursuit Group, which is about 100 people. In addition to that, 

we’ve also had additional requirements for watch listing and Terrorist Identity Data Environment. 

And with that requirement, we had to place the additional resources. So to me, I think it’s appropriate. But once again, Senator, 

if confirmed, I’ll get in there, I’ll get smart, I’ll take a good hard 

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Senator LANKFORD. We want to help you with that through the 

process. Again, we need NCTC to do a great job for the benefit of 

the entire country. We need that—we need that wisdom and insight that’s there. 

We need it also to be as efficient as possible, because every dollar 

we spend in redundancy or waste in an area is another dollar we’re 

not spending somewhere else. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, Senator Lankford. 

Senator LANKFORD. Two more quick comments. Ms. McCarthy, a 

quick question for you. You’ve been in government work, then 

you’ve stepped outside to do a think tank, and now you have the 

disadvantage of being in the think tank presenting ideas; now you 

have to implement those. 

So what are you bringing in that mode that comes from the outside, from the think tank, that you look at immediately and say 

this is something I need to apply? 

Ms. MCCARTHY. So thank you, Senator. There’s a couple of areas. 

I’ve actually worked for—I’m working for a non-profit now and then 

I also ran a think tank a few years ago. And from those experiences, I’m actually bringing I think two sort of—I understand these 

areas better than I did before when I was in government. 

While at the Intelligence and National Security Alliance, we are 

the IC’s think tank. And so we brought together the public, private, 

and academic sectors to focus on some tough challenges that were 

usually posed by the Office of the DNI or other senior leadership 

across the IC, to include acquisition reform or security clearance 

reform, and to provide a table where you can have that sort of discussion I think is going to be very beneficial as we look at State 

I&R’s role in analytic outreach and the fact that it is required. It 

supports not only the State Department, but the rest of the IC, in 

bringing together the best in academia, the best in the private sector, to also talk about some big issue areas that will affect foreign 

policy. 

So that’s one area where I have some strength. In my current position at Noblis as the Vice President for Intelligence and Analytics, my focus primarily is looking at the tools and resources that 

can be used to help the analysts. So that includes artificial intelligence and working with data science. And so I know firsthand 

with a little investment what we can do in terms of providing new 

capabilities to support our analysts. 

Senator LANKFORD. Thank you. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Wyden. 

Senator WYDEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

I, too, enjoyed very much visiting with both of you. My colleagues 

have been talking about the importance of speaking truth, truth to 

power, and the White House apparently considers when you all 

stand up for truth that this is somehow going rogue. This is their 

analysis of it. I consider it patriotism and duty; and I was pleased 

to meet with both of you. 

I want to take a particular example, the travel ban, and walk 

through with you, Mr. Maguire, how you would go about handling 

this. The executive order refers repeatedly to the DNI, and it requires a number of assessments from the Director of National Intelligence. And these are assessments where the DNI could look to 

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the director of the National Counterterrorism Center for counsel. 

So this is the travel ban, seven times refers to the DNI. 

How are you going to—if you’re asked for your counsel on the 

travel ban, how are you going to make sure that any assessment 

is made independent of political pressure? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Senator Wyden, thanks for the question, and 

that was one that I did ask the staff for a little bit of guidance before I appeared before this committee today. And I was informed 

by Russ Travers and my colleagues, or my potential colleagues at 

the National Counterterrorism Center, that the travel ban—regardless of the travel ban, it doesn’t matter what country anybody 

who’s requesting entry into the United States is from. The process 

is the same and anybody who’s entering—who’s requesting entry 

into the United States, goes through a rigorous check within the 

National Counterterrorism Center to look for a nexus in counterterrorism. 

I’ve asked specifically, Would there be any change in the process 

with that, and they said everybody’s the same; no matter what 

country you come from, whether they’re on the travel ban or 

whether they’re from an ally, if they’re coming and they’re requesting, then the process is absolutely the same for everyone no matter 

where they come from. 

And to me, that’s the way it’s got to be. We just have to make 

sure that we are deliberate and we just treat everybody equally. 

But the process is the process, and I think the process is very deliberate and I think the process is very thorough. And I don’t see any 

reason to change that just because of the travel ban and I think 

that the folks who’ve done that for a living right now at NCTC, 

DHS, State Department, and everybody else have done a very good 

job. 

Senator WYDEN. I appreciate your statement that you want to do 

this by the book. This is a very politicized executive order. So I’m 

sure we’re going to have further discussions about it. And I don’t 

think the executive order refers to the DNI by osmosis. There’s a 

reason for it. I think your counsel is probably going to be asked 

about this, and it is going to be in a highly pressurized, politicized 

situation. 

Let me ask you one other question. You all are responsible for 

TIDE, a database of known or suspected terrorists with over a million and a half people, including 16,000 U.S. persons. I would be 

the first to say this performs useful functions and valuable intelligence as a tool. 

At the same time, my view is security and liberty aren’t supposed to be mutually exclusive. We’re supposed to do both. So how 

would you, if confirmed, make sure that we get the valuable intelligence while at the same time not pulling innocent Americans into 

this database? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Senator Wyden, the National Counterterrorism Center, in particular the folks who work in TIDE, have got 

a very disciplined process. They’ve been trained and they work 

closely to make sure that we are adhering to the law. We also have 

a very good legal team that makes sure that we are in compliance. 

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by those at the National Counterterrorism Center, and if they find 

something that’s in that center that should not be, then that individual or that process is removed. 

So to me, I look at two things. One, my job potentially as the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, if confirmed, is to 

do everything I can to make sure that I keep the country safe. In 

addition to that, as an American I need to make sure that we stay 

true to our American values and protect civil liberties and our 

rights, and I intend to do that. 

Senator WYDEN. I’ll ask you some more questions about that. 

One question for you, Ms. McCarthy. When the CIA ran its torture program, it told our ambassadors that they couldn’t discuss it 

with anybody at the State Department. Now, it’s I&R’s job to support our ambassadors and make sure that the Department reviews 

intelligence activities, including covert actions. Can you tell us, 

consistent with the fact that this is an open session, how are you 

going to make sure that happens? 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Senator, thank you for your question. That is a 

very important function that I&R serves, is to ensure that our ambassadors understand their roles in intelligence oversight, because 

they play a very important role in actually concurring or nonconcurring with these sorts of operations. And I will take that job 

very seriously and ensure that I&R continues to provide that training and regular intelligence update on a 7 by 24 basis, to ensure 

that they know everything they need to know in making these decisions that are based on risk. 

Senator WYDEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Cornyn. 

Senator CORNYN. Congratulations to both of you on your nominations. Admiral, it was good to visit with you yesterday. As I told 

you then, the fact that you come highly recommended by Admiral 

McRaven and I know worked side by side with him for maybe 35 

years—— 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Yes, sir. 

Senator CORNYN [continuing]. Has a lot of significance to me. But 

I appreciate the chance to visit a little bit yesterday. 

But you talked about your long-term service in the military and 

the fact you’ve developed very good relationships with others like 

the chief of staff or the SecDef and others. Obviously, your role at 

CTC will be different. You’ll be focused on terrorism threats, as opposed to, let’s say, existential threats to the United States Government. 

How do you view that in the larger context of national security? 

As an isolated focus, or is it somehow—is there a continuum when 

you look at the range of threats confronting the United States? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Well, Senator Cornyn, I look at it this way. 

I’ve got close personal relationships, as you know, with the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman, the Undersecretary of Defense for 

Intelligence, and others, the JSOC commander, the SOCOM commander, the CENTCOM commander. So as far as that side, the 

part of the house that’s really doing the kinetic work, I’ve got very 

close relationships. 

As the director of the National Counterterrorism Center and also 

as really the director of strategic operational planning in the whole 

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of government, I need to go out and make sure that I have the relationships and capitalize on the relationships that are already there 

with the other members of the interagency, as well as the Legislative Branch, and to bring the whole of government to that. 

So I think that, as I said, statutes give you authority, but trust 

and partnerships produce results, and leadership is all about results. So I intend to, no, not take for granted the relationships I 

have already, but actually focus on renewing and building relationships with the other leaders and the other members of the intelligence community to make sure that we have a whole-of-government approach in this counterterrorism enterprise. 

Senator CORNYN. Before 9/11, or I should say after 9/11, our 9/ 

11 Commission documented the stovepipes that we had, particularly between law enforcement and our intelligence community, in 

identifying security threats and sharing of information across the 

government. Sometimes I worry, because the intelligence community is so large, with 17 different components and now post-9/11 

with new layers of responsibility, like the ODNI, that we are creating more bureaucracy and stovepipes within the intelligence community. 

Are those concerns justified in your view or not? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. I think you’ve always got to be careful and be 

mindful that people have a tendency sometimes not to share. But 

I think that the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act 

did a very good job of giving the authorities to the National 

Counterterrorism Center. 

You know, as the primary organization in the United States for 

analyzing and integrating intelligence acquired or actually possessed by the United States, the job of the National Counterterrorism Center is not only to possess it, but to ensure that all stakeholders, everybody who has a need to know and a requirement to 

do their job, whether at the kinetic side of the house or the nonkinetic side of the house, has access to and receives the information. 

So I think that you must always be mindful. The lessons of 9/ 

11 are still clear to me. I grew up in New York City. As a young 

boy, I watched the Twin Towers go up. Three weeks after I got my 

first star, I saw them go down. So it’s very, very real to me. 

And I think it’s absolutely essential that we share within the intelligence community stovepipes, but also, to Vice Chairman Warner’s question earlier, we need to make sure that we also share 

with our partners and our allies. Because you never know where 

the information is going to come from, and information and intelligence are key and essential to the success of this campaign. 

Senator CORNYN. Admiral and Ms. McCarthy, I’d like to get both 

of you to respond to this. Do you view it as part of your responsibility to develop a consensus when it comes to intelligence? Because rarely is intelligence a lead pipe cinch. In other words, it’s 

rarely for certain. That’s why the intelligence community talks 

about ‘‘we assess’’ this, that, and the other, ‘‘we have this level of 

confidence’’ and the like. 

But what is the—Ms. McCarthy maybe you could start: What’s 

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have to present competing points of view and opinions and perspectives from different segments of the intelligence community? 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Senator Cornyn, I&R has a long history of being 

an independent actor and providing independent analysis, and 

many times has been at odds with—I mean, dating back to the 

Vietnam War—has been at odds with some of its counterparts in 

the IC. 

The good news is that the IC is an environment where you can 

have those discussions. There’s processes in place to ensure that 

competing views are represented, whether they are in briefs that 

go to the President, the President Daily Brief, or mostly through 

the National Intelligence Estimates through the NIC. And so 

there’s always an opportunity to provide competing views. 

So I don’t believe, should I be confirmed, that my role at I&R will 

necessarily be getting consensus for the position that we may take 

on an intelligence issue, but certainly ensuring that it’s represented 

and heard and represented in those documents that are shared 

across the IC. 

Senator CORNYN. Admiral. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Senator Cornyn, I think that’s why we’re 

here. When I was in a leadership position, I always asked my staff: 

I want something that’s well staffed and I want a coordinated, recommended opinion from the staff, not give it to me and have it 

sorted out. 

I mean, as we know from the lessons from 9/11, we had different 

departments and agencies providing the information to the White 

House, and the White House had to sort it out. That didn’t work 

so good. 

So the obligation to make sure that there is a concerted and a 

focused recommendation to both the Executive Branch and to the 

Legislative Branch is one that I take seriously and will do my 

darnedest to deliver. 

Thank you. 

Senator CORNYN. Thank you. 

Chairman BURR. Senator King. 

Senator KING. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

First, I want to thank you for your willingness to serve. Second, 

I want to emphasize that you two are taking on two of the most 

important jobs in the United States Government. The responsibility 

is awesome and incredibly important. In an age of terrorism, and 

we are not out of the age of terrorism, intelligence is the first line 

of defense. If we don’t know what’s going to happen, it’s going to 

be very difficult to prevent. So intelligence is incredibly important. 

I am going to now ask a couple of questions that may sound topical, but my colleagues will testify that I’ve been asking these same 

questions for five years. They have nothing to do with who’s President. 

The grave danger in intelligence is shading the data to meet the 

perceived policy needs of whoever is in charge, and this goes back 

as far as we can go. In fact, I would recommend to you H.R. 

McMaster’s book, ‘‘Dereliction of Duty,’’ the incredibly insightful account of what happened in Vietnam and the failure in many ways 

of communication to the higher echelons, to the policy makers. 

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So, Admiral Maguire, one of your strongest qualifications may 

also be a disadvantage and that is your long career in the military, 

where chain of command, following orders, is an absolutely important part of the job. That’s what you’ve been trained to do for 30- 

plus years. Assure me that you are not going to follow orders, that 

you are going to chase the intelligence where it leads, report it as 

it appears, and not shade any information because of pressure? 

And it may not even be overt pressure. Often it’s human nature 

to want to give the boss what they want. So, it doesn’t have to be 

shade the material. You’ve got to work within your agency to counteract the human tendency to provide information that’s pleasing 

to those higher up. Talk to me about that issue? 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Well, Senator King, as I said, I don’t need any 

reminder about the stakes that the Nation is under. I’ve lost 

friends in this fight and I realize that it’s very real. I concur with 

your comment that, although we’ve made tremendous strides in the 

last 17 years, we’re still posed tremendous threats to the country. 

My job as the Director, if confirmed, is to make sure that I provide truthful and accurate information. And if not, then the stakes 

could be we make a decision that is incorrect and it could cause 

harm to the Nation and to our interests. 

In addition to that, to lead the workforce—if I have a workforce 

that has an opinion, for me to color or change that opinion before 

it goes up above my level to more senior people, I think I would 

completely lose the workforce. But most importantly, if I colored 

any judgment or provided any information to anybody that was not 

truthful and accurate and something happened, then I also have to 

live with that. And I’ve been to Arlington National Cemetery and 

to other cemeteries around the country and I realize that, you 

know, I’m here to make sure that I do my darnedest to defend the 

Nation and to do what’s right, and I intend to do that, sir. 

Senator KING. Thank you. I really appreciate that, and I look forward to working with you in that capacity. 

Admiral MAGUIRE. Thank you, Senator King. 

Senator KING. Ms. McCarthy, the same kind of question. A great 

quote from one of your predecessors. Mr. Ford said: ‘‘The analysts 

at I&R are a curmudgeon-like group who delight in being different 

and getting to the body of something and not caring what other 

people think.’’ That was Carl Ford back in 2004. 

I’m not sure you’re sufficiently curmudgeon-like. 

[Laughter.] 

Assure me on that point. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Oh, I am curmudgeon-like. Senator, again, 

should I be confirmed, I think I&R, that’s their brand, is independent analysis. They have a long and very respected history of 

not being persuaded by those who may take on positions—— 

Senator KING. Many people feel in Iraq they got it better than 

anybody else. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. I think the record shows that they did get it better than anyone else, and they went through the IC’s processes to 

assure that, certainly, that information was shared, and then certainly it’s up to the policy maker to determine what they’re going 

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Senator KING. But one line, though, your last sentence of your 

opening statement: ‘‘Our intelligence activities must support our 

foreign policy and national security objectives.’’ I hope you mean by 

providing good intelligence, not providing justification for objectives 

that somebody else has set. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. Absolutely, sir. This is not to shade the intelligence to support our foreign policy objectives, but to provide our 

foreign policy decision-makers with the truth. 

Senator KING. Well, the other piece in your answers—and again, 

it’s good news, bad news—you mentioned the proximity to the Secretary of State. You use that term, ‘‘proximity.’’ That’s good news; 

that means you’re close to policy makers. The bad news is you 

could be subject to the kind of pressure—subtle, not necessarily 

overt—to shade the data. 

Give me your thoughts. 

Ms. MCCARTHY. So, Senator, again, I think all of my predecessors had that relationship with the Secretary and have had a 

history of not necessarily bending to political or positions that may 

not be in line with what the intelligence shows. 

So again, I believe that my access to the Secretary and policy 

makers is going to help me understand more about what their priorities are, so that I can then work within I&R and across the intelligence community to ensure that collections are then focused on 

these areas, so that we can provide him or her with the truth. And 

so, proximity is more about being able to guide collections than it 

is about providing them what they want to hear. 

Senator KING. Well, I appreciate again both of you being willing 

to take on this job. If you’re ever in doubt, the actions of Dan Coats 

last week are a demonstration of how these jobs should be done. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you, Senator King. I will say that Senator King’s question was a first for me; it’s the first time I’ve ever 

heard a nominee questioned because they weren’t curmudgeon 

enough to match that of the Senator. 

Senator KING. I said I worried—I also said in the hearing I worried that Dan Coats was too nice a guy, so. 

[Laughter.] 

Chairman BURR. Vice Chairman. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. I would simply say, I think you’ve 

heard from a lot of us, we’re counting on you both to be straightforward, speak truth to power, make sure that you’re not influenced by political—I think you both bring remarkable records and 

I just want to go on record, Mr. Chairman, as I hope we can move 

these nominees as quickly as possible, and appreciate you holding 

this hearing. 

Chairman BURR. Mark, thank you. 

It’s the intent of the Chair to actually do that, to move these 

nominees, hopefully, out of committee next week with the committee’s help. And I want to thank—for planning purposes—thank all 

of you. But, for planning purposes, any member of the committee 

who wishes to submit questions for the record after today’s hearing, please do so by the close of business today. I just want to reiterate that. 

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To both of you, thank you. And, Joe, I got to tell you that I am 

a morning prolific reader. I come in early, try to get it out of the 

way before our day job starts. The questions that you heard on size 

and, Ms. McCarthy, the amount of analysts—trust me, if you’re in 

Washington today and you’re an analyst, if you’re not employed, 

something is really, really bad-wrong, because we have hired a 

boatload across all the agencies. 

When this committee sort of looks at the landscape and sees all 

of those, we automatically respond to every agency: Have you 

looked at your size? Have you looked at the requirements? Does it 

match? 

But I got to tell you, Joe, that, you know, any morning I could 

get up and I could read six products on the same thing, and I don’t 

look at it and say that that’s not valuable to have six different analysts. But do remember that the root product they work from is the 

product that comes out of NCTC. So the accuracy on the front end 

is that much more important because you’ve got other folks that 

are dicing and slicing that. And it’s those products that find its way 

to my desk, to the President’s desk, to the Vice Chairman’s desk, 

that influence then the policy decisions that we make. 

So you’re right. I’m grateful to you. Accuracy is incredibly important. If we’re going to screw up, let’s all screw up together. But let’s 

make sure that it was our intent to get it right. And that way, 

whether its I&R or any other piece of the IC community, the basis 

with which they have analyzed product and produced reports for 

policymakers comes from credible, quality foundational reporting 

that’s done by NCTC. 

So I want to thank both of you for your willingness to serve, for 

your willingness to expose yourself to our committee members. We 

will move your nominations as quickly as the Senate can possibly 

do, which is not as fast as we might wish, but the Vice Chairman 

and I will try to facilitate that as fast as we can. 

Once again, thank you to you and your families. 

This hearing is adjourned. 

[Whereupon, at 10:48 a.m., the hearing was adjourned.] 

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1. FULL NAME: Joseph Maguire 

OTI'IBRNAMES USED: NA 

2. DATEANDPLACEOFB1R1H: 14August 1951, Brooklyn, NY 

CITIZENSHIP: USA 

3. MARITAL STATUS: Married 

4. SPOUSE'S NAME: Kathleen Joy Maguire 

S. SPOUSE'S MAIDEN NAME 1F APPLICABLE: Kathleen Joy Mobus 

6. NAMES AND AGES OF CHILDREN: 

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7. EDUCATION SINCE HIGH SCHOOL: 

INSTITUTION DATES A'ITENI)E)) DEQREE RECEIVED DATE OF DEQREE 

Manhattan College 

Naval Postgraduate School 

9/1969 -6/1974 

9/1983 -311985 

8. EMPLOYMENT RECORD (LIST ALL POSITlONS HELD SINCE COLLEGE, INCLUDING 

MILITARY SERVICE. INDICATE NAME OF EMPLOYER, POSITlON, TITLE OR DESCRIPTION, 

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United States Navv Division OfficeiC USS Coronado Dutv Stations 1974-1975 

United States Navy UDT-SEAL Training, BUD/S 1976 

United States Navv UDT-21 Platoon Commander 1977-1979 

United States Navy CTF-76 Flag Lieutenant 1979-1981 

United States Navy SEAL Team 2 Platoon Commander 1981-1983 

United States Navy Student, Naval Post Graduate School 1983-1985 

Executive Officer, SEAL Delivery Vehicle 

United States Navv Team2 1987-1988 

Maritime Special Purpose Force Commander, 

United States NaVY Mediterranean Amphib Ready Group 1-89 1988-1989 

United States Navy NSW Community Mansger 1989-1991 

United States Navy NSW Development Group Deputy Commander 1991-1993 

United States N@vy_ Commanding Officer SEAL Team 2 1993-1994 

Harvard University 

J.P. Kennedy 

School of 

Government National Security Fellow Kennedy School 1994-1995 

Deputy Commander, Special Operations 

United States Navy Command Pacific 1995-1997 

Commanding Officer, Naval Special War:fiu'e 

United States Navv Center 1997-1999 

Deputy Commander, Naval Special Warfare 

United States Navv Command 1999-2001 

United States Navv Director, Strategic Resources, USSOCOM 2001-2004 

United States Navv Commander Naval Special Warfare Command 2004-2007 

Deputy Director for Strategic Operational 

United States Navy Planning, NCTC 2007-2010 

Booz-Ailen Vice President Tamoa,FL 9/2010 - 9/2013 

Special Operations 

Warrior President and CEO Tampe,FL 9/2013- Present 

Foundation 

SAP National 

Security Services Board of Advisors (Advisor) Herndon, VA 3/2014-Present 

(NS2} 

W.S. Darle~& Co. Board ofDirectors (Director) Itasca, IL 10/2014 - Present 

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STATE, OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, INCLUDING ADVISORY, CONSULTATIVE, HONORARY, OR 

OTHBRPART-TIME SERVICE OR POSITION. DO NOT REPEAT INPORMATION ALREADY 

PROVIDED IN QUESTION 8). 

See Question 8 above. 

10. INDICATE ANY SPECIALIZED INTELLIGENCE OR NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERTISE YOU HA VB 

ACQUIRED HAVING SERVED IN THE POSITIONS DESCRIBED IN QUESTIONS 8 AND/OR 9. 

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Planning at NCTC, which enables the Center to take a strategic, long term view of the counterterrorism mission 

as well as periodically assessing the effi:ctiveness of strategy implementation. As Deputy Director, I developed 

strategic CT plans for US Government civilian and military eflbrts as well as working towards the effective 

integration of CT intelligence and operations across agency boundaries, both inside and outside the US. I was a 

member of the National Security Council's Counterterrorism Security Group, which is a key furum fur the 

synchronization of US policy eflbrts as well as coordinating US response to threats to US interests globally. 

Prior to my time at NCTC, I served as a career Naval Warfare Officer (SEAL) and have commanded at every 

level to include the Naval Special Warfare Command, the Navy Component of the US Special Operational 

Command. As a leader in US Special Operational Command, I have planned, participated, and led strategiclevel classified intelligence operations. 

My relationship with intelligence began early in my career (1985-87) when I served as a Naval Special Warfare 

Group TWO Intelligence Officer (N2). I went on to earn my Master of Arts in National Security Affairs (Naval 

Scientific and Technical Intelligence at tbe Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Califurnia) and received 

my designation as a Naval Intelligence Proven Sub-Specialist. I was also chosen to be a National Security 

Fellow at Harvard University exploring national security, public policy, and leadership in an academic context. 

11. HONORS AND AWARDS (PROVIDE INFORMATION ON SCHOLARSHIPS, FELLOWSHIPS, 

HONORARY DEGREES, MILITARY DECORATIONS, CMLIAN SERVICE CITATIONS, OR ANY 

OTHER SPECIAL RECOGNmON FOR OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE OR ACHIEVEMENT). 

National Security Fellow Harvard University - JFK. School of Government (8/1994- 7/1995) 

National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal 

Department of Defense Distinguished Service Medal 

U.S. Navy Distinguished Service Medal 

Department of Defense Superior Service Medal (2) 

U.S. Navy Legion of Merit (2) 

Department of Defense Meritorious Service Medal 

U.S. Navy Meritorious Service Medal (3) 

Navy & Marine Corps Commendation Medal (3) 

Navy & Marine Corps Achievement Medal 

Joint Meritorious Unit A ward 

Navy Unit Commendation 

Navy Expeditionary Medal 

National Defense Medal (2) 

Global War on Terrorism Service Medal 

Humanitarian Service Medal (4) 

Navy Expert Pistol Medal 

Navy Expert Rifle Medal 

Sea Service Ribbon (4) 

Naval Special Warfare (SEAL) Insignia 

Naval Parachutist Insignia 

Basic Parachutist Insignia 

Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association Naval Intelligence A ward fur Academic Excellence at the Naval Postgraduate School 

Ross Perot Patriot A ward -Dallas, Texas 

United States Special Operations Command Patriot Award -Tampa, FL 

Operation Open Arms Hero Award-Louisville, KY 

Manhattan College Athletic Hall of Fame (Swimming) 

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12. ORGANIZATIONAL AFFILIATIONS (LIST MEMBERSHJPS IN AND OFFICES HELD WITHIN THE 

LAST TEN YEARS IN ANY PROFESSIONAL, CMC, FRATERNAL, BUSINESS, SCHOLARLY, 

CULTURAL, CHARITABLE, OR OTHER SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS). 

ORGANIZATION OFFICE HELD DATES 

U.S. Global Leadership Council- Florida Advisor 20 11-Present 

American Enterprise Institute- Tampa Member 2015-Present 

UDT/SEAL Association Member 1980-Present 

Business Executives in National Security Member 2015-2017 

Southeastern Guide Dogs Donor/ 2010-Present 

Volunteer 

13. PUBLISHED WRITINGS AND SPEECHES (LIST THE TITLES, PUBLISHERS, BLOOS AND 

PUBLICATION DATES OF ANY BOOKS, ARTICLES, REPORTS, OR OTHER PUBLISHED 

MATERIALS YOU HAVE AUTHORED. ALSO LIST ANY PUBLIC SPEECHES OR REMARKS YOU 

HAVE MADE WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS FOR WHICH THERE IS A TEXT, TRANSCRIPT, OR 

VIDEO). IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF EACH REQUESTED PUBLICATION, TEXT, 

TRANSCRIPT, OR VIDEO? 

See Attachment 1 

PART B- QUALIFICATIONS 

14. QUALIFICATIONS (DESCRJBE WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO SERVE AS THE 

DIRECIDR OF THE NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER). 

Our nation is filcing an increasing complex and dynamic terrorist landscape with threats emanating ftom 

Homegrown Violent Extremists, globaljihadists groups such as ISIS and al-Qa'ida, and Shia extremists 

backed by Iran. To effectively combat the terrorist threat, it will require wcrking closely with Intelligence Community partners as well as across the broader US Government and with our allies and partners. The arc 

of my career ftom a naval officer executing tactical counterterrorism missions to a senior intelligence officer 

influencing and evaluating policy bas helped me develop unique insight into and respect for the national 

security apparatus as a whole. 

I believe I have the requisite national security and leadership experience to serve as the Director of the 

National Counterterrorism Center. As I described in response to Question 10 above, I am a proven leader in 

both the military and the Intelligence Community. I served 36 years in uniform, and 34 of those were in US 

Special Operations where I undertook tactical missions and served in a variety ofleadersbip positions. I was 

assigned to and served in a senior leadership position in our Nation's Maritime Counterterrorism (CT) 

Command. I successfully served as Deputy Director ofNCTC leading the Center's Directorate for Strategic 

Operational Planning that collaborates with agencies across the US Government as well as foreign allies and 

partners to formulate effective CT strategies. 

Despite leaving government service, my interest in national security has never wavered. I have maintained my 

network of contacts and colleagues across the US Government, which could be key when coordinating interagency CT actions that often are built on personal relationships and trust. 

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PART C ~POLITICAL AND FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS 

IS. POLmCAL ACTIVITIES (LIST ANY MEMBERSHIPS OR OFFICES HELD IN OR FINANCIAL 

CONTRIBUTIONS OR SERVICES RENDERED TO, ANY POLITICAL PARTY, ELECTION 

COMMITTEE, POLmCALACTION COMMI'ITEE, OR INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE DURING THE 

LAST TEN YEARS). 

NONE 

16. CANDIDACY FOR PUBLIC OFFICE (FURNISH DETAILS OF ANY CANDIDACY FOR ELECTIVE 

PUBLIC OFFICE). 

NONE 

17. FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS 

NONE 

(NOTE: QUESTIONS 17 A AND B ARE NOT LIMITED TO RELATIONSHIPS REQUIRING 

REGISTRATION UNDER THE FOREIGN AGENTS REGISTRATION ACT. QUESTIONS 17A, B, AND C 

DO NOT CALL FORA POSITIVE RESPONSE IF THE REPRESENTATION OR TRANSACTION WAS 

AUlliORIZED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR OR YOUR 

SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE.) 

A. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVER REPRESENTED IN ANY CAPACITY (E.G. EMPLOYEE, 

ATTORNEY, OR POLITICAL/BUSINESS CONSULTANT), WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, 

A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ORAN ENTITY CONTROLLED BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF 

SO, PLEASE FULLY DESCRIBE SUCH RELATIONSHIP. 

NO 

B. HA VEANY OF YOUR OR YOUR SPOUSE'S ASSOCIATES REPRESENTED, IN ANY CAPACITY, 

WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENTITY 

CONTROLLED BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE FULLY DESCRIBE SUCH 

RELATIONSHIP. 

NO 

C. DURING THE PAST TEN YEARS, HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE RECEIVED ANY 

COMPENSATION FROM, OR BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL OR BUSINESS 

TRANSACTIONS WITH, A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR ANY ENTITY CONTROLLED BY A 

FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

D. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVER REGISTERED UNDER THE FOREIGN AGENTS 

REGISTRATION ACT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

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18. DESCRIBE ANY LOBBYING ACTIVI'IY DURING TilE PAST TEN YEARS, OTI!ER THAN IN AN 

OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT CAPACITY, IN WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE ENGAGED 

FOR TilE PURPOSE OF DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY INFLUENCING TilE PASSAGE, DEFEAT, OR 

MODlFICA TION OF FEDERAL LEGISLATION, OR FOR TilE PURPOSE OF AFFECTING TilE 

ADMINISTRATION AND EXECUTION OF FEDERAL LAW OR PUBLIC POLICY. 

NONE 

PART D- F1NANCIAL DISCLOSURE AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST 

19. DESCRIBE ANY EMPLOYMENT, BUSINESS RELATIONSHlP, FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, 

INVESTMENT, ASSOCIATION, OR ACTIVITY (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DEALINGS 

WITH TilE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON YOUR OWN BEHALF OR ON BEHALF OF A CLIENT), 

WHICH COULD CREATE, OR APPEAR TO CREATE, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE POSIDON 

TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED. 

NONE 

20. DO YOU INTEND TO SEVER ALL BUSINESS CONNECTIONS WITH YOUR PRESENT EMPLOYERS, 

FIRMS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATES AND/OR PARTNERSHlPS, OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN 

TilE EVENT THAT YOU ARE CONFIRMED BY TilE SENATE? IF NOT, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

YES, if confirmed, I will sever all relationships with The Special Operations Warrior Foundation, SAP NS2 

Board of Advisors, and W.S. Darley Board ofDirectors. 

21. DESCRIBE THB FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS YOU HAVE MADE OR PLAN TO MAKE, IF YOU 

ARE CONFIRMED, IN CONNECTION WITH SEVERANCE FROM YOUR CURRENTPOSIDON. 

PLEASE INCLUDE SEVERANCE PAY, PENSION RIGHTS, STOCK OPTIONS, DEFERRED INCOME 

ARRANGEMENTS, AND ANY AND ALL COMPENSATION THAT WILL OR MIGHT BE RECEIVED IN 

TilE FUTURE AS A RESULT OF YOUR CURRENT BUSINESS OR PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHlPS. 

I have no financial arrangements nor do I plan to make any; additionally, I will not receive compensation in 

any form deferred or otherwise from my Foundation or corporate boards. 

22. DO YOUHA VE ANY PLANS, COMMITMENTS, OR AGREEMENTS TO PURSUE OUTSIDE 

EMPLOYMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, DURING YOUR SERVICE WITH TilE 

GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

23. AS FAR AS CAN BE FORESEEN, STATE YOUR PLANS AFTER COMPLETING GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE. PLEASE SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE ANY AGREEMENTS OR UNDERSTANDINGS, 

WRIITEN OR UNWR.!TI'EN, CONCERNING EMPLOYMENT AFTER LEAVING GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE. IN PARTICULAR, DESCRIBE ANY AGREEMENTS, UNDERSTANDINGS, OR OPTIONS 

TO RETURN TO YOUR CURRENT POSIDON. 

I plan on returning to our home in Tampa, Florida and have no plans/agreements or understandings for future 

employment. 

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24. IF YOU ARE PRESENTLY IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE, DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS OF SUCH 

SERVICE, HAVE YOU RECEIVED FROM A PERSON OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT AN OFFER OR 

EXPRESSION OF INTEREST TO EMPLOY YOUR SERVICES AFTER YOU LEAVE GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE? IF YES, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

I am not currently in government service. 

25. IS YOUR SPOUSE EMPLOYED? IF YES AND THE NATURE OF TI:IIS EMPLOYMENT IS RELATED 

IN ANY WAY TO THE POSITION FOR WHICH YOU ARE SEEKING CONFIRMATION, PLEASE 

INDICATE YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYER. THE POSffiON, AND THE LENGTH OF TIME THE 

POSffiON HAS BEEN HELD. IF YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT IS NOT RELATED TO THE 

POSffiON TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED, PLEASE SO STATE. 

My spouse is not employed. 

26. LIST BELOW ALL CORPORATIONS, PARTNERSHIPS, FOUNDATIONS, TRUSTS, OR OTHER 

ENTmES TOWARD WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE FIDUCIARY OBLIGATIONS OR IN 

WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE HELD DIRECTORSHIPS OR OTHERPOSffiONS OF TRUST 

DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 

NAME OF ENTITY POSITION DATE HELD SELF OR SPOUSE 

INFORMATION REDACTED 

27. UST ALL GIFTS EXCEEDING $100 IN VALUE RECEIVED DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS BY 

YOU, YOUR SPOUSE, OR YOUR DEPENDENTS. (NOTE: GIFTS RECEIVED FROM RELATIVES 

AND GIFTS GIVEN TO YOUR SPOUSE OR DEPENDENT NEED NOT BE INCLUDED UNLESS THE 

GIFT WAS GIVEN WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND ACQUIESCENCE AND YOU HAD REASON TO 

BEUEVE THE GIFT WAS GIVEN BECAUSE OF YOUR OFFICIALPOSffiON.) 

NONE 

28. LIST ALL SECURITIES, REAL PROPERTY, PARTNERSHIP INTERESTS, OR OTHER INVESTMENTS 

OR RECEIVABLES WITH A CURRENT MARKET VALUE (OR, IF MARKET VALUE IS NOT 

ASCERTAINABLE, ESTIMATED CURRENT FAIR VALUE) IN EXCESS OF $1,000. (NOTE: THE 

INFORMATION PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULE A OF THE DISCLOSURE FORMS OF THE 

OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETI:IICS MAY BE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE, PROVIDED THAT 

CURRENT VALUATIONS ARE USED.) 

DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY METHOD OF VALUATION 

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29. LIST ALL LOANS OR OTHER INDEBTEDNESS (INCLUDING ANY CONTINGENT LIABILITIES) IN 

EXCESS OF $10,000. EXCLUDE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR PERSONAL RESIDENCE UNLESS IT IS 

RENTED OUT, AND LOANS SECURED BY AUTOMOBILES, HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE, OR 

APPLIANCES. (NOTE: THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULE C OF THE 

DISCLOSURE FORM OF THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS MAY BE INCORPORATED BY 

REFERENCE, PROVIDED THAT CONTINGENT LIABILmES ARE ALSO INCLUDED.) 

NATURE OF OBLIGATION NAME OF OBLIGEE 

Please See OGE Form -278 

30. ARE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE NOW IN DEFAULT ON ANY LOAN, DEBT, OR OTHER FINANCIAL 

OBLIGATION? HA VB YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE BEEN IN DEFAULT ON ANY LOAN, DEBT, OR 

OTHER FINANCIAL OBLIGATION INTHEPASTTEN YEARS? HA VB YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE 

EVBRBEEN REFUSED CREDIT OR HAD A LOAN APPLICATION DENIED? IF THE ANSWER TO 

ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS IS YES, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

31. LIST THE SPECIFIC SOURCES AND AMOUNTS OF ALL INCOME RECEIVED DURING THE LAST 

FIVE YEARS, INCLUDING ALL SALARIES, PEES, DIVIDENDS, INTEREST, GIFTS, RENTS, 

ROYALTIES, PATENTS, HONORARIA, AND OTHER ITEMS EXCEEDING $200. (COPffiS OF U.S. 

INCOME TAX RETURNS FOR THESE YEARS MAY BE SUBSTITUTED HERE, BUT THEIR 

SUBMISSION IS NOT REQUIRED.) 

INFORMATION REDACTED 

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INFORMATION REDACTED 

32. IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE THE COMMI'ITBB WITH COPIES OF YOUR AND YOUR SPOUSE'S 

FEDERAL INCOME TAX RETURNS FOR THEPASTTHREB YEARS? 

YES 

33. LIST ALL JURISDICTIONS IN WHICH YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE FILE ANNUAL INCOME TAX 

RETURNS. 

The State of Florida 

34. HAVE YOUR FEDERAL OR STATE TAX RETURNS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF AN AUDIT, 

INVESTIGATION, OR INQUIRY AT ANYTIME? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS, INCLUDING 

THE RESULT OF ANY SUCH PROCEEDING. 

NO 

35. IF YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY, ACCOUNTANT, OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL, PLEASE LIST ALL 

CLIENTS AND CUSTOMERS WHOM YOU BILLED MORE THAN $200 WORTH OF SERVICES 

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DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS. ALSO, LIST ALL JURISDICTIONS IN WHICH YOU ARE 

LICENSED TO PRACTICE. 

NA 

36. DO YOU INTEND TO PLACE YOUR FINANCIAL HOLDINGS AND THOSE OF YOUR SPOUSE AND 

DEPENDENT MEMBERS OF YOUR IMI'vlEDIATE HOUSEHOLD IN A BLIND TRUST? IF YES, 

PLEASE FURNISH DETAILS. IFNO, DESCRIBE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS FOR AVOIDING ANY 

POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTBREST. 

NO 

37. IF APPLICABLE, LIST THE LAST THREE YEARS OF ANNUAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORTS 

YOU HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO FILE WITH YOUR AGENCY, DEPARTMENT, OR BRANCH OF 

GOVERNMENT. IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF THESE REPORTS? 

N/A 

PARTE- ETIDCAL MATTERS 

38. HA VB YOU EVER BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDING OR CITED FOR A 

BREACH OF ETHICS OR UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT BY, OR BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A 

COMPLAINT TO, ANY COURT, ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY, PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION, 

DISCIPLINARY COI\OOTTBB, OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL GROUP? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE 

DETAILS. 

NO 

39. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN INVESTIGATED, HELD, ARRESTED, OR CHARGED BY ANY FEDBRAL, 

STATE, OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY FOR VIOLATION OF ANY FEDERAL 

STATE, COUNTY, OR MUNICIPAL LAW, REGULATION, OR ORDINANCE, OTHER THAN A MINOR 

TRAFFIC OFFENSE, OR NAMED AS A DEFENDANT OR OTHERWISE IN ANY INDICTMENT OR 

INFORMATION RELATING TO SUCH VIOLATION? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

40. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF OR ENTERED A PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO 

CONTENDERE TO ANY CRIMINAL VIOLATION OTHER THAN A MINOR TRAFFIC OFFENSE? IF 

SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

41. ARE YOU PRESENTLY OR HA VB YOU EVER BEEN A PARTY IN INTEREST IN ANY 

ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY PROCEEDING OR CIVIL LITIGATION? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE 

DETAILS. 

NO 

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42. HA VB YOU BEEN INTERVIEWED OR ASKED TO SUPPLY ANY INFORMATION AS A WITNESS OR 

OTHERWISE IN CONNECTION WITH ANY CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION, FEDERAL, OR 

STATE AGENCY PROCEEDING, GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION, OR CRIMINAL OR CIVIL 

LITIGATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAlLS. 

NO 

43. HAS ANY BUSINESS OF WHICH YOU ARE OR WERE AN OFFICER, DIRECTOR, OR PARTNER 

BEEN A PARTY TO ANY ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY PROCEEDING OR CRIMINAL OR CIVIL 

LmGATIONRELEVANT TO THEPOSmON TO WHICH YOU HA VB BEEN NOMINATED? IF SO, 

PLEASE PROVIDE DBTAlLS. (WITH RESPECT TO A BUSINESS OF WHICH YOU ARE OR WERE 

AN OFFICER, YOU NEED ONLY CONSIDER PROCEEDINGS AND LITIGATION THAT OCCURRED 

WHILEYOUWEREANOFFICEROFTHATBUSINESS.) 

NO 

44. HA VB YOU EVER BEEN THE SUBIECT OF ANY INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATION? IF SO, 

PLEASE PROVIDE DETAlLS. 

NO 

PART F- SECURITY INFORMATION 

45. HA VB YOU EVER BEEN DENIED ANY SECURITY CLEARANCE OR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED 

INFORMATION FOR ANY REASON? IF YES, PLEASE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL. 

NO 

46. HAVE YOU BEEN REQUIRED TO TAKE A POLYGRAPHEXAMINATIONPORANY SECURITY 

CLEARANCE OR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION? IF YES, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

Yes, a polygraph was required for my position as Deputy Director for Strategic Operational Planning at 

NCTC. The polygraph was administered in 2007. 

47. HAVE YOU EVER REFUSED TO SUBMIT TO A POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION? IF YES, PLEASE 

EXPLAIN. 

NO 

PART G- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 

48. DESCRIBE IN YOUR OWN WORDS THE CONCEPT OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF U.S. 

INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES. IN PARTICULAR, CHARACTERIZE WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE 

THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER 

AND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES OF THE CONGRESS, RESPECTIVELY, IN THE 

OVERSIGHT PROCESS. 

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Congressional oversight is vital to ensuring that the US Intelligence Community carries out its national 

security mission in conformity with the US Constitution and US laws. This congressional oversight is carried 

out principally by the congressional intelligence committees. For example, under Section 502 of the National 

Security Act of 1947, the Director ofNational Intelligence (DNI), in consultation with the heads of other 

departments and agencies involved in intelligence activities, is required to "fully and currently" inform the 

congressional intelligence committees of intelligence activities. Providing complete, accurate and timely 

information to the oversight committees through congressional hearings, briefings, notifications and otherwise, 

enables the committees to carry out this essential oversight function, as well as help improve the operation of 

the Intelligence Community. Moreover, congressional oversight provides confidence to the American public 

that the US Intelligence Community is exercising its authorities lawfully and effilctively, ensuring our nations' 

security, while simultaneously protecting fundamental American values. 

If confirmed as the Director ofNCTC, I will support the congressional intelligence committees' oversight of 

NcrC and will be committed to ensuring that the NCTC workforce understands the importance of 

congressional oversight. I will ensure that NCfC works cooperatively with the DNI, Congress and the 

intelligence committees on all matters, provides the intelligence committees with timely notices as required 

under Title V, and is responsive to congressional inquiries. 

49. EXPLAIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF TIIE RESPONSmiLITIES OF THE DIRECTOR OF THE 

NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER. 

The statutory responsibilities of the National Counterterrorism Center and its Director are delineated in section 

1021 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of2004. Functionally, the law requires the 

Director to report to the President for CT strategic operational planning and, as the National Intelllgence 

Manager for Counterterrorism, to the Director ofNational Intelligence for all other activities and functions. 

NCTC's mission is singularly focused on the prevention, detection and disruption of acts of terrorism directed 

against the U.S. and its interests both at home and abroad. NCTC, by law, is the primary organization in the 

U.S. Government for analyzing and integrating all US Government intelligence pertaining to terrorism and 

counterterrorism, except intelligence pertaining exclusively to domestic terrorism and domestic 

counterterrorism. As a result, the Center is uniquely positioned to track and analyze international terrorism 

issues that span geographic boundaries as well as serve as the US Government's central and shared knowledge 

bank on known and suspected terrorists and international terror groups. 

The Director ofNcrC is alsu responsible for ensuring tbat all federal departments and agencies receive the 

all-source intelligence support they need to execute their respective counterterrorism activities. Lastly, NCTC 

in its Strategic Operational Planning role, which I know very well, is responsible for looking beyond the 

individual department and agency missions towards an integrated US Government approach. 

I believe that to accomplish the Center's mission, the D/NCTC must be guided by the desire to provide 

Americans and our allies with greater security while simultaneously protecting fundamental American values. 

I am convinced that our Nation's continued success in this CT fight will only come through coordinated and 

synchronized efforts, to include the full weight of our diplomatic, financial, military, intelligence, homeland 

security and law enforcement activities. The D/NCTC must drive these efforts. 

Ultimately, after leading a variety of organi7ations across the US Government, I bave learned an 

organization's success always comes down to the people and NCTC's iilte will be based on the Director's 

ability to enable and lead the Center's extraordinary workfOrce. 

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AFFIRMATION 

I, JOSEPH MAGUIRE, DO SWEAR mAT THE ANSWERS IHA VB PROVIDED TO THIS 

QUESTIONNAIRE ARE ACCURATE AND COMPLETE. 

SIGNATURE OF JOSEPH MAGUIRE 

DATE: JULY 3, 2018 

SIGNATURE OF NOTARY 
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TO Tim CHAIRMAN, SELECT COMMITIEE ON INTELLIGENCE: 

In connection with my nomination to be the Director of the National 

Counterterrorism Center, I hereby express my willingness to respond to requests to 

appear and testify before any duly constituted committee of the Senate. 

SIGNATURE OF JOSEPH MAGUIRE 

Date: JULY 3, 2018 
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Attachment 1 

Select Committee on Intelligence 

General Questionnaire for Presidential Nominations 

Joseph Maguire, Vice Admiral (Retired) 

Question Number 13 

A. ARTICLES/SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS 

1. Trump's counterterrorism pick is Joe Maguire ofTampa, now helping commando families 

July 3, 2018 by Howard Altman, Tampa Bay Times 

http;!fwww tampabay.cornlnews/militarvimacdil!ffrump-s-counterterrorism·Pick·is-Joe-Maguire=;of-Tampa-now-helpingcommando::families 169564166 

2. President Trump Nominates Navy Vet Joseph Maguire to be Director of National Counterterrorism 

Center 

June 25, 2018 by Ben Wicker, Washington Executive 

https·l/www. wasbingtonexec.com/2018/Q6/pre;sident-trump .. tO=nominate-navy-vetwjoseph-mAAuire-to-be·director-of-nationat .. 

counterterrorism=<:enter 

3. Trump picks Navy veteran as top counterterrorism offtcial 

By the Associated Press 

June 24,2018 by Navy Times https:i/www.navvtimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/06/24/trump=picks-navy-veteran·!!S=lop;; 

counterterrorism-official/ 

June 22, 2018 by Seattle Times httns·f/www.seattletimes.com/nation-worldination-oo!itics{anxtrump=picks·nayy-veteran·llS;;IOp· 

counterterrorisnwrfficial/ 

4. Charity Event: Operation Open Arms 

May 2018, Speaking Engagement 

S. Boca Grandemen's Club 

April, 2018 Speaking Engagement 

httns://www.bocagran<lemc.com/schedu!e.html 

6. Charity Event: Chris Kyle Foundation 

May 2017, Speaking Engagement 

7. Congressional Letter 

February 27,2017 

bttps://www.bncagrandemc.com/schedule.html 

8. Charity Event: Veterans Day Dinner-Coronado Club of Houston 

November 2016, Speaking Engagement 

9. Destroyer named after Medal of Honor recipient in BIW ceremony 

June 19,2016 by Beth Brogan, Bangor Daily News 

https://bangordailvnews.com/2016/061!8/news(midcoast/destroyer-named-after-medaJ-of.honor·recipient-in·biw-ceremony/ 

10. Thought leaders luncheon: Centre Club of Tampa 

May 2016, Speaking Engagement 

http·//www.where2gotampa.cnm/events/2366869-Joseph-Ma&uire·Thought-I.eader-Luncheon/?PageSpeed=noscript 

11. Greater Tampa Bay Business leaders Forum 

October 2015, Speaking Engagement 

12. Charity Events: Southeastern Guide Dogs-Paws for Patriots Fundraiser 

Multiple dates Speaking Engagement 

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Select Committee on Intelligence 

General Questionnaire for Presidential Nominations 

Joseph Maguire, Vice Admiral (Retired) 

Question Number l3 

13. Its puppy love for MatDill group training guide dogs 

June 10,2015 by Howard Altman, Tampa Bay Times 

hltp://www.tbo.com/newslbreaking-newslits·Puppy-love-for-macdill-group-trainiAA-guide-dogs-20150610/ 

14. Ex-Navy SEAL commander visits Tulsa to talk about Spetial Forces foundation 

November 13, 2014 by Tim Stanley, Tulsa World 

https://www.tulsaworld.comlnewsflocallex·nayy·seal·commander·visits·!Uisa·to·talk·aboul·soecial!artjcle 5e2ael74-lac0-5a9ab336=d17480211656.htrnl 

lS. Veterans Day: Dallas Rotary Club 

November 2014, Speaking Engagement 

http://www.dallasrotary.org/sitepage/events/sav 

16. Veterans Day: Tulsa City Rotary Club 

November 2014, Speaking Engagement 

17. Socom commander McRaven to retire (Maguire comments) 

June 30, 2015 by Howard Altman, Tampa Bay Times 

http·//www.!bo.comllist/militarv-news/socom-comman!ler-mcravep·to·retire·20140630/ 

18. Vice Admiral (RTD) Joe Maguire Joins W.S. Darley & Co. Board of Directors 

April 24, 2015 by Soldier Systems- An Industry Daily 

bttp•//soldiemsteros net/201 4/Q412S/vice-ad!niral·r!d·joe-maguire-joins-w-s-dar!ey·co·boar4·<tirectors/ 

19. Navy SEAL exudes excellence, discusses lone survivor at Birdies for the Brave event 

January 24,2014 by Brian Hurlburt, GolfLasVegasNow.com (PGA GolfTour Charities) 

http://together.pgatour.com/stories/20 14/january/navy-seal-exudes-excellence.html 

21. Survivor-Former navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell recalls the 200S battle in Afghanistan he alone survived 

December 8, 2013 by Anderson Cooper, 60 Minutes 

htms://www/cbsmews{cp./newslsurvivor~60~minutes/ 

22. For Navy SEALs, The Biggest Threat May Be Hollywood 

November 5, 2012 by Daniel Klaidman, Newsweek 

http://www.newsweek comlnavv·sea!s·bigges!-threat-may-be-hollvwood 

23. V. Adm. Maguire Addresses Dinner Honoring Jeff Love with 2018 Houston Leadership Award 

May 01,2008 by The Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA) 

http://www.iinsaorg/eventsaprogramslhouston::djnners/v .. adm·maguire-addresses-dinner .. honorin&-ieff·love-2008·houston·leade 

Speaking engagements include multiple fundraising events on behalfofSpecial Operations Warrior Foundarion. 

B. VIDEOS 

1. Adm Joseph Maguire, Pres. Spetial Operations Warrior Foundation-Interview at Yankee Stadium 

about Special Operations Warrior Foundation 

July 29,2017-101 views-6:47 minutes 

Ken Kraetzer, Sons of the American Legion Radio 

https;/Jwww.voutube.comfwatch?V"'u8rbyjTifLM 

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Select Committee on Intelligence 

General Questionnaire for Presidential Nominations 

Joseph Maguire, Vice Admiral (Retired} 

Question Number 13 

2. Foundation Supports Children of Wounded and Fallen Soldiers 

October 25,2016 by Steve Adubato, On the Air-9:56 minutes 

https://www.steveadubato.org/fouoda!ion-sunoorts-chilc!res-of·wouoded·and·fallen·soldiers.html 

Steve Aduhato speaks with Adm. Joe Maguire from the Special Operations Warrior Fouodation about the organization's mission 

to support the children of wounded and fallen service members. 

3. Fathers and Sons 

April26, 2016 by JESUIT High Schoo1-18:40 minutes 

Video: bttps:llwww.jesuittampa.org/cf media/index cfin?obj-7704 

Campus News article: https://www.jesuittampa.org/page.cfm?p=S97&newsid=262 

4. Steve Adubato's Lessons in Leadership-Vice Admiral Joseph Maguire 

February S, 2016 by Steve Aduhato, 738 views -1:14 minutes 

Same interview also published on: 

June 13,2017 and May 31,2016 at: 

https://www,nLcom/lessonsinleadership/2016/QS/video vice admiral joseph magu.html 

September2, 2015 at: httos:/lwww.voutube comlwatchlv-JT6lq3·liEE 

Vice Admiral Joseph Maguire, President and CEO, Special Operations Warrior Foundation, shares his most significant leadership 

lesson and how listening will improve the way you lead. 

S. "Lone Survivor" Operation Red Wings Families Supported by Special Operations Warrior Foundation 

January9, 2014 by Edie Rosenthal, 3,662 vie~l:39 minutes 

https://www.youtube.comiwatch?v=7EEAOHFk2MO 

Retired Navy Vice Admiral Joe Maguire, President of the Special Operations Warrior Fouodation talks about the movie "Lone 

Survivor" and the 19 children of the fallen warriors. 

6. NAVY SEALS-THEIR UNTOLD STORY 

November 7, 2014, aired on November II, 2014 on PBS and in 2015 on BBC· 5,619 views 

httos://www.youlube.com/watch?v=3cK vC8kDVHO 

7. All Things Anderson 

December 7, 2013, by Anderson Cooper 

httos·ffwww a!!thingsanderwncoooer.com/20 13112/anderson·coooer·interviews·ioe-magujre.html 

8. Navy SEALS Highlight Navy SEAL Warrior Fund Day at the NYSE 

May 10,2010, New York Stock Exchange· 2,629 views 

https://www.youtube.com/watciJ?v=gpTWC!IbpTj4 

Members from the Naval Special Warfare (NSW) Community visit the NYSE to highlight the Navy SEAL Warrior Fund Day in 

New York City. In honor of the occasion, Vice Admiral Joseph Maguire, USN, rings "The Opening Bell". 

9. History Channel and Discovery Channel Documentaries on the Navy 

"'Ihe complete history of the Navy Seals" DVD 

The History Channel (1999) 

https·llwwwamazon.com/History.Complete·U-S-Navv·Seals/dp/BOQlCUSQIU 

This documentary video chronicles the history and the legacy of the famous Unites States Navy Seals. The film explores their 

extensive training and the tough work they are required to do. 

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON 

INTELLIGENCE 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

Additional Prehearing Questions 

for 

V ADM Joseph Maguire 

upon his nomination to be 

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Responsibilities of the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center 

The National Security Intelligence Reform Act of 2004 created the National Counterterrorism 

Center (NCTC) and the position of Director of the NCTC. 

QUESTION l: What is your understanding of the unique role of the NCTC within the 

Intelligence Community (I C)? 

The National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) serves a unique and critical role within the 

Intelligence Community (IC) and the Homeland Security apparatus, a role that is clearly 

articulated in law and is paramount to the U.S. government's ability to counterterrorism. The 

Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of2004 (IRTPA) serves as the statutory basis 

for NCTC's unique role within the !C. Among its provisions, this law directs that NCTC: 

• Serve as the primary organization of the U.S. government for analyzing and integrating 

all intelligence possessed or acquired by the U.S. government pertaining to terrorism and 

counterterrorism (CT), excepting exclusively domestic terrorists and domestic CT. 

• Conduct strategic operational planning for CT activities, integrating all instruments of 

national power, including diplomatic, financial, military, intelligence, homeland security, 

and law enforcement activities within and among agencies. 

• Ensure agencies have appropriate access to and receive all-source intelligence support 

necessary to execute CT plans or perform independent alternative analysis. 

• Serve as the central and shared knowledge bank on known or suspected terrorists (KSTs) 

and international terror groups, as well as their goals, strategies, capabilities, and 

networks of contacts and support. 

The law also directs the Director ofNCTC to advise the Director ofNationallntelligence (DNI) 

on the extent to which the CT program recommendations and budget proposals of the 

departments, agencies, and elements of the U.S. government conform to the priorities established 

by the President. NCTC also plays a unique, cross-government role in strategic operational 

planning. 

No other CT component of the IC has this range of responsibilities. NCTC alone has access to all 

terrorism-related information-both foreign and domestic--that it uses to conduct all-source 

analysis and maintain the database that underpins all government watch listing. 

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QUESTION 2: What is your understanding of the specific statutory responsibilities of the 

Director? 

The specific statutory responsibilities of the Director ofNCTC are described in Section 1021 of 

IRTPA. The law requires the Director to report to the President of the United States when 

exercising the Center's whole-of-government strategic operational planning functions, and to the 

DNI for all other activities and functions. NCTC's mission, and therefore the mission of its 

Director, is focused on the prevention, detection, and disruption of acts of terrorism directed 

against the United States and its interests both at home and abroad. 

NCTC and its Director are responsible for ensuring that federal departments and agencies are 

provided with all-source intelligence support to execute assigned counterterrorism activities. 

Under the IRTPA, NCTC is the primary organization in the federal government for analyzing 

and integrating all intelligence pertaining to terrorism and CT. NCTC's unique statutory 

authorities allow its personnel to draw upon both foreign and domestic intelligence to produce 

integrated analysis. In addition to supporting federal departments and agencies in the executive 

branch, NCTC also supports Congress with information and analysis, and-in close partnership 

with FBI and DHS-provides terrorism information and analysis to the state, local, tribal, and 

territorial partners. NCTC also provides support to FBI and DHS on purely domestic terrorism 

issues when assistance is requested. 

By law, the Center serves as the U.S. government's central and shared knowledge bank on 

known and suspected terrorists and international terror groups as well as their contacts and 

support networks. In order to accomplish this mission, NCTC designs, operates, and maintains a 

classified database known as the Terrorism Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE). Following 

watchlisting guidance that the interagency developed and approved, NCTC provides identifying 

information on KSTs to the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center to support watchlisting and 

screening by other federal agencies and departments. 

Finally, the Director ofNCTC also serves as the National Intelligence Manager for CT (NIMCT) intelligence matters for the DNI. In this role, the Director leads the CT community in 

identifying knowledge gaps in CT analysis and focusing collection and production resources on 

closing those gaps. 

QUESTION 3: Have you discussed with Director Coats his specific expectations of you, if 

confirmed as Director, and his expectations of the NCTC as a whole? If so, please describe 

these expectations. 

Yes, I had the opportunity to meet with DNI Coats and we discussed in general terms his 

expectations. We must ensure that NCTC maintains a steady pulse on the terrorism threat as our 

country faces an array of other national security threats. The Center must fulfill its role and 

obligations to coordinate and share information across the CT enterprise, and maximize its 

resources to protect the American people. DNI Coats also underscored the need to ensure that the 

CT enterprise is appropriately positioned to collect and assess intelligence against the highest 

priority terrorism threats at a time when there are many competing priorities. 

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NCTC's Mission 

NCTC leads and integrates the national CT effort by fusing foreign and domestic CT 

information, providing terrorism analysis, sharing information with partners across the CT 

enterprise, and driving whole-of-government action to secure our national CT objectives. 

QUESTION 4: What is your assessment ofNCTC's current strengths and weaknesses? 

If confirmed, I expect to fully assess on an ongoing basis NCTC's strengths and weaknesses as I 

guide and direct its future course. 

From my perspective, two ofNCTC's greatest strengths are its dedicated, integrated, diverse 

workforce and its unique access to terrorism-related data. Nearly halfNCTC's workforce is 

drawn from across the IC, which creates a collaborative, inclusive atmosphere of professionals 

with varying IC experiences. NCTC is also undergoing an internal transformation by integrating 

a number of entry-level employees into the organization to expand the knowledge, skills, and 

abilities of its workforce to address the evolving terrorist threat. Additionally, NCTC's strong 

relationship with IC counterparts and its position as the only IC entity with access to all foreign 

and domestic terrorism data streams allow this uniquely diverse workforce to provide 

comprehensive, coordinated all-source analysis. I would also note that NCTC does not engage in, 

or direct, operations, and I see this as a strength that allows NCTC a neutral perspective for CT 

analysis and strategic operational planning. 

NCTC is challenged in its ability to attract and retain this dynamic staff and fully exploit all data 

to which it has access. NCTC relies on the skills and backgrounds of military, law enforcement, 

intelligence, and other national security analysts, but the current environment creates challenges 

to maintaining this diverse workforce. For example, our partners' long-term budget 

uncertainty-despite the budget agreement in place for fiscal year 20 19-and divestitures of 

assets allocated to the CT mission complicate interagency efforts to provide detailees to the 

Center. To manage and fully exploit the data to which it has access, NCTC must continue to 

invest in technology-based tools to power more comprehensive data analysis, increase the speed 

of infonnation sharing and collaboration, and automate production workflows. Although the IC 

is investing heavily in new data analytic tools, many of these efforts will be sub-optimized unless 

complex data management and use issues are resolved. 

QUESTION 5: What do you believe are the greatest challenges facing the NCTC? 

NCTC's greatest challenge is maintaining the ability to innovate and adapt as quickly as our 

adversaries-both at home and abroad-whose methods are constantly shifting particularly on 

the technological front. One way to stay ahead is to maintain a diverse and skilled workforce; 

however the current environment creates challenges to appropriately staffing the Center. The 

processing time required to bring individuals from outside the IC hampers our ability to recruit 

people with critical skillsets, such as data scientists and data analytic specialists who are being 

competitively recruited by other government agencies and private industry. 

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Like many other organizations, NCTC also faces "big data" challenges and the growing role of 

social media in counterterrorism analysis. NCTC's focus on technology and data analytics, 

including attracting and retaining data scientists, is therefore paramount. 

Additional challenges include leaks of sensitive or classified information that have handicapped 

IC collection efforts and the proliferation of communications technology that has complicated 

NCTC's efforts to identify and mitigate terrorists and plots. 

QUESTION 6: Please explain your vision for the NCTC, including your views on its 

current and future priorities and what the organization should look like five years from 

now. 

In the 14 years since its establishment, NCTC has made significant progress in fulfilling the 

vision set out by the 9/11 Commission and Congress in 2004 and I believe that NCTC has 

become a recognized leader in the CT community. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of 

people, partnerships, information sharing, and technology to achieving Congress's vision for 

NCTC, positioning NCTC for future challenges and countering the complex, evolving, and 

diverse threat we face as a country. If confirmed, 1 will continue to build on the successes of my 

predecessors to evolve and improve the Center's capacity to carry out its mission. 

First and foremost, the dedicated people ofNCTC are its backbone. If confirmed, I will build on 

my predecessors' efforts not only to recruit qualified individuals in the IC and private sectors and 

work with partner IC elements to ensure that NCTC draws staff from across the CT community, 

but also to care for and develop NCTC officers. 

With NCTC's unique role that spans foreign and domestic spheres, partnerships are key with 

both colleagues at home and abroad. We cannot mitigate the threat from terrorists alone, so it is 

of utmost importance for us to work with a range ofCT partners, spanning local law enforcement 

to our allies overseas. I know that NCTC has robust partnerships with foreign partners as well as 

state, local, tribal, territorial, and private sector partners, and I would, if confirmed, continue to 

foster these relationships and deepen integration and collaboration to achieve our shared CT 

goals. 

I know that NCTC has made great strides since 9/11, but still faces information-sharing and 

technical challenges, which impede its ability to holistically analyze an increasing amount of 

data. Complex policy and other issues associated with data management and use still remain 

within the IC and across the federal government, and overcoming these issues at NCTC is critical 

to the success of its watchlisting, screening, and all-source analytic efforts. If confirmed, 

addressing these issues would be a priority over my period of service as the director. 

• For example, I will work to address the challenges of big data, including the ability to exploit 

and analyze relationships across unstructured data sets that can offer important insights that 

otherwise would not be discovered. 

• I also will focus on recruiting and retaining data scientists, who bring critical skill sets to the 

challenges presented by rapidly evolving technology and its impact on CT. 

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Viewing NCTC five years from now, I would envision the Center's position as the leader and 

integrator of the national CT effort is further solidified, with achievements in recruiting and 

retaining personnel, developing partnerships, and the "big data" arena that could be applied 

across other mission areas. 

QUESTION 7: What specific benchmarks should be used to access NCTC's performance? 

I believe that measuring performance and adjusting course are necessary in any organization in 

order to progress and meet goals. I understand that in its NIM-CT role, NCTC uses measures to 

assess progress for the IC and these can, at least in part, be applied to measure NCTC's progress 

and complement internal Center benchmarks. 

NCTC evaluates the IC's progress against high priority CT intelligence gaps and assesses 

customer satisfaction with overall CT intelligence. NCTC hosts experts at the end of each fiscal 

year to identify and develop CT priority intelligence gaps, which are topics that deserve 

particular analytic attention during the course of the year, and measures IC progress to fill these 

gaps. NCTC also annually surveys a broad range of customers from five customer segmentsDoD/Warfighter, Homeland Security, Law Enforcement, Policy and non-Departmental 

Intelligence-to determine its satisfaction with CT intelligence support. 

As I mentioned earlier, NCTC also uses internal measures to assess NCTC's performance 

supporting key customer needs in several areas, including counterterrorism intelligence, 

terrorism identities intelligence, and situational awareness services. NCTC gauges readership and 

feedback from NCTC products online through its "Current" portal, which is available at the Top 

Secret/compartmented and Secret levels, and engages regularly with customers that range from 

federal departments and agencies to state, local, tribal, territorial and private sector partners to 

assess how best to serve them. NCTC monitors screening systems for timeliness, ensuring it 

meets the Department of State goals, and compliance requirements associated with the storage 

and use of information that mission partners provide. 

State and local governments 

QUESTION 8: What is the role of NCTC in producing and disseminating intelligence for 

state, local and tribal partners? 

In coordination with FBI and DHS, NCTC produces and disseminates terrorism and CT 

intelligence for state, local, tribal, territorial and private sector partners, in support of FBI's and 

DHS's responsibilities to produce and disseminate intelligence for these consumers. 

NCTC's primary activity for identifying, producing, and disseminating relevant intelligence to 

these consumers is the Joint Counterterrorism Assessment Team (JCA T). JCAT, a joint 

organization staffed by NCTC, DHS, and FBI and housed in NCTC, is the successor to the 

Interagency Threat Assessment and Coordination Group, created by the Implementing 

Recommendations of the 9/ll Commission Act of2007 and decommissioned in 2012 when its 

authorization for appropriations expired. 

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JCAT's mission is to improve CT information sharing and enhance public safety in the U.S. 

Homeland by performing collaborative intelligence production, conducting outreach and 

education, and providing support to CT partners in the planning, delivery, and evaluation of 

exercises and training. 

JCA T products are always coordinated through the intelligence analysis components ofNCTC, 

DHS, and FBI, and reviewed by public affairs, civil liberties and privacy, domestic disclosure, 

pre-publication and legal entities at DHS, FBI, ODNI, and NCTC before dissemination. JCAT 

disseminates intelligence products through about a half-dozen U.S. government information 

sharing mechanisms across systems of all classification, including FBI's Law Enforcement 

Enterprise Portal website, DHS's Homeland Security Information Network website, and NCTC's 

classified Current website. 

In addition to federal officers from FBI, DHS, and NCTC, JCAT is supported by non-federal 

public safety officers, including law enforcement, fire service, emergency medical services, and 

emergency management. Non-federal public safety officers assigned to JCAT receive security 

clearances and assist their federal counterparts in identifying, producing, and disseminating CT 

intelligence to state, local, tribal, territorial and private sector consumers. This unique staffing 

construct is the key to JCA T' s success. 

Separately, NCTC's Operations Center produces two situational awareness products-The 

Counterterrorism Weekly and the Counterterrorism Digest-at the Unclassified/ /For Official Use 

Only (U//FOUO) and unclassified levels respectively, which are compendiums of international 

and domestic news intended to provide a common threat picture of counterterrorism events from 

around the globe to domestic first responders, international partners, and the private sector. The 

Directorate of Intelligence also produces products at the FOUO and unclassified levels for these 

customers, including a widely acclaimed semi-annual magazine called "Alliance" as well as 

"The Beacon," aimed at private sector partners. 

QUESTION 9: How is that role different than that of the FBI and the Department of 

Homeland Security? 

The FBI and DHS have independent statutory missions to provide terrorism information directly 

to state, local, and tribal governments. 

In compliance with its statutory charter, the IRTPA, and the National Security Act of 1947, as 

amended, NCTC supports FBI and DHS in carrying out their missions. NCTC has access to the 

full range of U.S. government CT intelligence to inform products for state, local, tribal, territorial 

and private sector customers, in support of FBI and DHS. As the primary organization in the 

U.S. government for analyzing and integrating all intelligence possessed or acquired by our 

federal departments and agencies in regard to terrorism and counterterrorism, NCTC is uniquely 

qualified to ensure DHS and FBI have access to and receive all-source intelligence support to 

execute their missions. 

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QUESTION 10: What is your understanding ofthe amount and nature of cooperation 

among NCTC, FBI, and DHS? 

I understand that NCTC works very closely with DHS and FBI through daily engagements, 

support to counterterrorism programs, and collaboration on a range of terrorism-related 

intelligence production. A few examples include: 

• NCTC leads daily secure video conferences to discuss current threats. This regular 

cooperation continues with informal and formal analytic exchanges that support the 

development of intelligence products, including those that are specifically tailored for state, 

local, tribal, territorial and private sector partners. 

• NCTC engages with DHS and FBI through its CT exercise program and intelligence support 

for security efforts at major domestic special events. 

• NCTC regularly co-authors intelligence assessments with FBI and DHS, particularly on 

threats to the U.S. Homeland. 

• NCTC, DHS, and FBI participate in weekly Counterterrorism Security Group meetings on 

threats to U.S. personnel, to provide the policy community with a common picture of such 

threats. 

• NCTC collaborates with and includes input from DHS and FBI to develop whole-ofgovernment CT plans, strategies, and assessments. 

Additionally, I understand that NCTC integrates DHS and FBI officers into the Center and 

NCTC officers support DHS and FBI. This colocation of people, resources, and information 

ensures robust and continuous interaction, communication, and cooperation between NCTC, 

FBI, and DHS. I understand DHS and FBI have senior representatives assigned to NCTC who 

provide close coordination. Moreover, the Operations Center, which is collocated with FBI CT 

Watch and JCAT, hosts a Homeland desk staffed by specially-trained DHS officers who are 

knowledgeable of all DHS resources and data sets. It is also my understanding that NCTC has 

deployed eleven representatives throughout the United States who work hand-in-hand with DHS 

and FBI field elements. 

QUESTION 11: If confirmed, what priority would you give this issue? 

If confirmed, one of my top priorities would be ensuring that NCTC, DHS, and FBI continue to 

work together to provide state, local, tribal, territorial and private sector partners with timely and 

accurate information on terrorism because these partners play a unique and critical role in our 

national security efforts, often serving as the front line when it comes to the threat of homegrown 

violent extremists. Effective sharing with these partners enhances their capabilities to recognize 

and effectively respond to suspected terrorism and violent extremism activities, while 

simultaneously protecting our privacy and preserving our civil liberties. 

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Based upon my previous service and discussions with current NCTC staff, it is clear these 

partners have a critical need for NCTC information and assistance to understand and address the 

threat in their communities. NCTC is uniquely positioned to integrate intelligence and augment 

information sharing with these consumers. In addition, JCA T, with staffing from non-federal 

public safety partners, is positioned to recognize and tailor terrorism and counterterrorism 

products for state and regional fusion centers as well as first responders that enhance public 

safety across the U.S. NCTC is always looking for options to expand collaboration with federal 

partners. 

Strategic Operational Planning 

QUESTION 12: What unique role does strategic counterterrorism analysis conducted at 

NCTC play, as compared to the analysis produced by other components of the Intelligence 

Community? 

NCTC's role as the single repository for all CT information within the U.S. government provides 

the Center with the unique ability to analyze and integrate all sources of intelligence pertaining 

to terrorism and counterterrorism, both foreign and domestic. Additionally, NCTC's lack of 

operational and collection equities enables it to provide unbiased assessments. Unlike other IC 

agencies, NCTC coordinates all of its intelligence assessments with other IC partners, enabling 

its products to serve as a single voice that reflects the opinions of the entire CT community. 

QUESTION 13: To what extent does the Directorate of Strategic Operational Planning 

Develop interagency plans for counterterrorism operations? 

Since the establishment of the Directorate of Strategic Operational Planning (DSOP), successive 

administrations have increased their reliance on DSOP's statutory role in strategic operational 

planning. DSOP effectively uses its mandate to develop whole-of-government CT plans to 

engage in cross-agency collaboration as directed by the National Security Council (NSC) to 

support policy implementation. NCTC plans address a variety of CT objectives to include 

regional and functional CT issues, such as terrorism prevention and weapons of mass 

destruction. It is my understanding that the strategic operational planning process integrates all 

phases of the planning cycle-developing a plan, monitoring its implementation, and assessing 

its effectiveness and resource allocations-and creates communities of interest to coordinate and 

integrate implementation. DSOP-led plans and strategies generally are not focused on specific 

counterterrorism operations, but incorporate all instruments of national power-which may 

include counterterrorism operations-as lines of effort within broader counterterrorism strategies 

and plans. 

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QUESTION 14: To what extent does the Directorate coordinate or integrate the strategic 

planning of components of the Intelligence Community, the Department of Defense, and 

other components ofthe U.S. Government? 

When DSOP is designated as the lead planning entity by the NSC staff, DSOP-led strategies and 

plans incorporate the inputs of, and are developed in coordination with, the intelligence, strategic 

planning, policy, and other components of U.S. government departments and agencies. DSOP 

has engaged and involved more than 20 departments and agencies as it developed strategic 

operational plans during the last six years. These organizations include IC agencies, the 

Department of Defense, as well as many organizations that are not traditionally thought of as 

national security entities, such as the Departments of Education and Health and Human Services. 

Through its efforts, DSOP ensures there are representatives from all departments and agencies 

that provide the elements of national power that are necessary to achieve the objectives for a 

particular planning effort. Upon approval by the White House, DSOP-led strategies and plans 

also help guide the implementation of these departments' and agencies' counterterrorism plans 

and efforts. Once the plans are put into effect, DSOP assesses progress against the goals and 

objectives of the plan and whether the federal government has resourced the effort. If confirmed, 

I will continue this vital outreach so we are certain that NCTC's strategic operational plans are 

able to leverage all elements of national power against our terrorist adversaries. 

QUESTION 15: Please describe your assessment of the challenge presented by this 

responsibility and what should be done to improve NCTC's performance of it. 

Terrorism in all of its forms is becoming increasingly diffuse and complex, making DSOP and its 

interagency partners' efforts to develop effective strategies and plans more challenging. The 

complexity of the threat has also led to a greater number and diversity of CT partners and 

interagency tools to integrate and coordinate. Since its creation, DSOP has been able to work 

collaboratively with its interagency partners to integrate U.S. government activities to counter 

the CT threats we face. DSOP benefits from its position as an honest broker and can, therefore, 

help to coordinate issues among departments and agencies. If confirmed, I will ensure that DSOP 

continues to be seen by the interagency as an honest and willing partner that can effectively 

coordinate and integrate all elements of national power in support of our nation's CT objectives. 

To the extent that I identify any challenges in this effort, or ways to improve NCTC's strategic 

operational performance, if confirmed, I will work to expeditiously resolve these issues. 

QUESTION 16: What is the role of the Director ofNCTC in developing the National 

Intelligence Priorities Framework (NIPF) with regard to counterterrorism? 

The Director ofNCTC is responsible for overseeing the development and implementation of the 

NIPF-CT priorities The NIPF-CT Priorities List is the IC's list of terrorism priorities, which 

informs IC decisions on collection, analysis, and resource allocation against terrorist groups, 

states supporting terrorist activities, and other terrorism-related issues based upon the degree of 

threat they pose to U.S. national security as well as policymaker interest. These priorities are 

updated on a quarterly basis with support from IC elements and integrated into the ODNI's 

overall NIPF process. 

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To the maximum extent possible, I want to ensure NIPF-CT priorities provide clear guidance to 

the IC agencies and do not generate conflicts with the other priorities identified by other 

elements of the IC so that we can ensure the most effective and efficient allocation of our critical 

resources. In addition, NCTC participates in NIPF Zero Based Reviews to present NIPF Priority 

topics on behalf of the chemical, biological, nuclear, and radiological community. If confirmed, I 

will support our important role in the NIPF-CT priority process. 

QUESTION 17: What is your view of the proper role of Congress in overseeing the 

activities of the Directorate of Strategic Operational Planning? 

I believe the Congress is obligated to exercise its oversight role over all ofNCTC's activities, 

including those activities undertaken by DSOP. Pursuant to the IRTPA, NCTC conducts strategic 

operational planning at the direction of and in support of the President and the Executive Office 

of the President. If confirmed, I will continue to work closely with the Congress to facilitate its 

ability to perform its oversight function in keeping with accommodations agreed upon by NCTC 

and the Committee. 

National Intelligence Manager 

As the Counterterrorism Mission Manager for the IC, the Director ofNCTC identifies 

intelligence gaps and resource constraints and sets collection and analytic priorities. 

QUESTION 18: What is your vision of the Director of NCTC in the role of mission 

manager? 

The role of mission manager allows the Director ofNCTC the privilege to be a proactive leader 

in both the IC and the CT community. If confirmed, I will ensure that I prioritize this role given 

an increasingly diversified threat landscape and competing national security concerns to ensure 

that the CT community maintains a steady pulse on the terrorism threat. 

I view this role to be an honest broker who can work across the CT enterprise to balance risks, 

find efficiencies and opportunities for collaboration, and, when necessary, communicate difficult 

options for senior policymaker decisions. In the IC, there is a tremendous demand placed on our 

limited national collection platforms, analytic resources, and other capabilities that are shared 

with other vital national security priorities. The NIM role is important to me because I believe it 

is vital to work across our community, as partners, to ensure we all understand how we are 

efficiently and effectively using our collective resources. 

I am a believer in the importance of well-drafted strategies that are monitored and assessed. Our 

priorities and overall approach for the IC are set by the National Security Strategy, the National 

Strategy for Counterterrorism, and the National Intelligence Strategy. To effectively execute 

these strategies, I will promulgate a Unifying Intelligence Strategy for CT that sets our priority 

issues and the plan of action for addressing them. This strategy will also support the development 

of recommendations to the DNI that provide a basis for his resource guidance to the !C. 

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QUESTION 19: What is the role of the Director of NCTC in providing guidance with 

regard to the allocation of resources among, and within elements of the Intelligence 

Community? Please describe how the Director of NCTC should identify unnecessary or less 

critical programs and seek to reallocate funding, within resource constraints. 

I believe that the role of the mission manager is to provide resource guidance to the CT 

community and serve as the principal adviser to the DNI for counterterrorism priorities. To fulfill 

this role, which is outlined within the IRTPA, the Director ofNCTC is charged to collaborate 

with CT program managers across the IC to understand resource priorities, shortfalls, and 

redundancies. The Director's ability to identify critical resource investments and be an effective 

advocate and leader for the CT community within the intelligence planning, programming, 

budgeting and execution process. If confirmed, I will build close partnerships with interagency 

partners to position NCTC and our many partners to work as one CT enterprise. 

QUESTION 20: What are the most important counterterrorism gaps or shortfalls across 

the Intelligence Community? 

As the last 17 years have proven, terrorism is an adaptive threat and the U.S. government's 

ability to identify gaps and shortfalls in a timely and efficient manor is vital to our continued 

success. That said, three issues that most concern me are adapting to the rapid pace of 

technology, managing and most efficiently exploiting large volumes of IC data, and efforts to 

improve screening and vetting capabilities. 

First, in our current environment, the rapid pace of technology has allowed opportunities to 

support NCTC's mission, while also providing our adversaries new abilities to use it against us. 

In order to stay ahead of our adversaries, NCTC must find ways to appropriately acquire and 

adapt new technologies while mitigating the threat of terrorist use of technology. 

Second, the IC has the benefit of large datasets; however, it must identify solutions to effectively 

standardize, integrate, and process increasingly large holdings. This "big data" management 

solution must also include innovative approaches to information sharing and access. Data 

management and integrity is vital to NCTC's efforts supporting the No Fly list and other 

screening mechanisms and providing our international partners the timely and actionable 

information they need to keep terrorists from reaching the U.S. Homeland. 

Finally, there are a myriad of challenges related to screening and vetting. One that comes to mind 

is the challenge of integrating biometric data, such as fingerprints and facial images, into 

screening ofbiographic data. In addition, we must move from a name-based system to a personabased system of performing identity intelligence. 

All of these issues require serious investments in time and resources, but I believe they are 

critical advancements that must be addressed for continued IC success. 

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Congressional Oversight 

QUESTION 21: What do you understand to be the obligation of the DNI, and the Director 

of the NCTC in support of the DNI, to keep the congressional intelligence committees fully 

and currently informed about matters relating to compliance with the Constitution and 

laws? 

If confirmed as the Director ofNCTC, I assure you that I will continue to abide by the 

responsibility to keep Congress fully and currently informed, consistent with the law. I 

understand the standard for meaningful compliance with this obligation to mean that 

congressional notifications must be timely, accurate, and complete to be effective. 

I believe that communicating with Congress on a regular and continuing basis enables us to 

further our collective ability to address the threats we face today, prevent further terrorist attacks, 

and remain in compliance with American laws. Given the fact that most of the activities of 

NCTC and the IC must remain classified, this relationship only becomes more important. 

Intelligence oversight is critical to the successful operation of the IC, but it can only be effective 

if the !C-as I do--views the intelligence committees as true partners and keeps them fully and 

currently informed of their activities. 

Professional Experience 

QUESTION 22: Please describe specifically how your experiences will enable you to serve 

as the Director of NCTC, and how these experiences would enable you to serve effectively 

in the future. 

If confirmed as the Director ofNCTC, I will draw on a wide range of personal and professional 

experiences, particularly those that have a connection to the destructive effects of terrorism. 

These include: 

• My close personal connection to the terrorist threat our country faces gives me an 

unwavering sense of urgency, energy, and passion for the mission. I've lost friends in this 

fight, and the destruction and devastation caused by violent extremism. My family's deep 

dedication to public service in the military, law enforcement, and our public schools inspires 

me, and if confirmed, I will bring that spirit of service to work daily. 

• As an officer in the U.S. military and the deputy director ofNCTC's Directorate of Strategic 

Operational Planning, I gained an appreciation for the important role intelligence plays in 

supporting and informing the operations led by the U.S. military in support ofCT policy. 

These efforts were effective because of unbiased analysis. I will speak truth to power and 

protect NCTC' s analytic objectivity because of the vital role it plays in the security of our 

country. 

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• My experience as a member of the National Security Council's Counterterrorism Security 

Group--a key forum to synchronize U.S. policy efforts and coordinate U.S. response to 

threats to U.S. interests globally-has cemented my view of the importance ofpartnering 

domestically and internationally for CT outcomes that support U.S. government policy, as 

well as the importance of personal relationships and trust as the key facilitators to those 

partnerships. If confirmed as the Director ofNCTC, I will continue to build partnerships with 

foreign and domestic partners to enable NCTC's mission of leading and integrating our 

national CT effort. 

• My work in industry provided me with firsthand experience of how the U.S. government can 

partner effectively with the private sector. As NCTC addresses the rapid evolution of 

technology and proliferation of information, we can leverage best practices from myriad of 

industries to stay ahead of the terrorism threat. 

• Finally, my experience serving as a career Naval Special Warfare Officer (SEAL) instilled in 

me the value of teamwork and the importance of people to mission. As a leader, I have 

witnessed how a group can truly be more than the sum of its parts. If confirmed, I will build 

on NCTC's efforts to recruit, develop, and retain NCTC's most vital resource--our peopleand further NCTC' s value of collaboration. 

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UNCLASSIFIED 

OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE 

DIRECTOR OF LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS 

W ASH!NGTON, DC 20511 

The Honorable Richard Burr 

Chairman 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

United States Senate 

Washington, DC 20510 

The Honorable Mark R W amer 

Vice Chairman 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

United States Senate 

Washington, DC 20510 

Dear Chairman Burr and Vice Chairman Warner: 

This correspondence responds to Questions for the Record entered by Senator Tom Cotton 

(R-AR) and Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) for VADM Joseph Maguire for his July 25, 2018 open 

confirmation hearing for the position of Director of the National Counterterrorism Center. The 

requested information is enclosed. 

If you have any questions, please contact the Office of Legislative Affairs at (703) 275-

2474. 

Sincerely, 

Benjamin T. Fallon Date 

Enclosure: 

Responses to Questions for the Record from the July 25, 2018 Confirmation Hearing before the 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

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UNCLASSIFIED 

Hearing Date: 25 July 2018 

Committee: SSCI 

Member: Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) 

Witness: V ADM Joseph Maguire 

Info Current as of: 27 July 2018 

It has been publicly reported that on Saturday, June 30, 2018, a Belgian security unit detained a 

married couple of Iranian origin at a traffic stop in a residential neighborhood of Brussels. They 

were found to be carrying 500 grams of the military-grade explosive T A TP along with a detonation 

device, which the couple allegedly obtained in Luxembourg from a Vienna-based Iranian diplomat. 

Further, it was reported that on Sunday, July 1, 2018, German Security forces detained the Iranian 

diplomat and three companions. The Iranian diplomat was reportedly racing back to Vienna where 

he had diplomatic inununity. 

While these operations were unfolding, French officials reportedly detained several Iranian-origin 

nationals linked to the Brussels suspects. 

Question 1: What does this report tell you about the brazenness of Iranian intelligence services to 

commit attacks in Europe that would kill hundreds if not thousands of peaceful European citizens? 

Answer: Stepping back and looking at this thwarted attack in the referenced news report, it appears 

that Iran lacks a clear understanding of U.S. and European decision calculus regarding terrorist 

activity. It also suggests that Tehran views Iranian dissident groups as an enduring threat to its 

national security, such that it is willing to conduct lethal operations against these groups in Europe 

despite the possibility of killing or injuring European and U.S. citizens, potentially including highranking U.S. officials. 

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UNCLASSIFIED 

Hearing Date: 25 July 2018 

Committee: SSCI 

Member: Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) 

Witness: V ADM Joseph Maguire 

Info Current as of: 27 July 2018 

Question 2: Is there any doubt in your mind that Iran is still the number one state sponsor of 

terrorism in the world today? 

Answer: I have no doubt that Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism today, and I would 

refer back to my statement for the record that, in addition to being the world's most active state 

sponsor of terrorism, Iran is by far the most prolific financier of terrorist organizations in the world. 

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UNCLASSIFIED 

Hearing Date: 25 July 2018 

Committee: SSCI 

Member: Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) 

Witness: V ADM Joseph Maguire 

Info Current as of: 27 July 2018 

Question 3: On Sunday evening, at the Reagan Library, Secretary Pompeo described how the 

Iranian security services are getting rich at the expense of the general population and that sanctions 

targeting the Iranian economy will not go away while attacks like these continue. Do you agree with 

Secretary Pompeo? 

Answer: Should I be confirmed as director of NCTC, I would reach back to the experts in my 

organization and the broader intelligence community to understand how the current social and 

economic environment in Iran might impact the terrorist threat posed by Iranian-aligned groups 

worldwide. 

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Hearing Date: 25 July 2018 

Committee: SSCI 

Member: Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) 

Witness: VADM Joseph Maguire 

Info Current as of: 27 July 2018 

Question 4: What kind of response is required by the Germans, Austria, French, Belgians, and others so 

that Iran realizes that this kind of state sanctioned terrorist behavior will not be tolerated? 

Answer: I stated during my testimony how important partnerships are and as NCTC Director, if 

confirmed, I would ensure that we continue to work closely with U.S. partners and allies, such as 

the Germans, Austrians, French, and Belgians, to ensure that Iranian terrorist operations will not 

endanger innocent civilians across the globe. As the disrupted plot in Paris demonstrates, when our 

allies understand the depth and breadth of Iranian malign activities, our relationships grow even 

stronger and we can successfully disrupt these terrorist operations. I hope a lawful conviction will 

send a strong message to the Iranian regime that these actions will not he tolerated. The disruption 

of the plot in Europe appears to have required security officials across several countries to work 

together to share information, a positive sign for the future. Overall, I will champion a U.S. position 

that will support and encourage our European partners to join us in confronting Iranian maligned 

activities around the world. 

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Hearing Date: 25 July 2018 

Committee: SSCI 

Member: Sen. Susan Collins 

Witness: VADM Joseph Maguire 

Info Current as of: 27 July 2018 

Question 1: NCTC' s most important resource is its people. The organization is unique in the 

community, however, by its reliance on detailees. What is your plan to attract and retain talented 

staff for multiple years from other agencies? 

Answer: I agree that the people and the unique skills, knowledge, and backgrounds that each 

person brings are critical to NCTC mission success and are its most important asset. NCTC relies 

heavily on detailees from other departments and agencies to achieve this success. The experiences 

these officers bring to the Center are vital to every aspect of NCTC' s mission and continuing to 

attract and retain detailees will be one of my highest priorities. I will need to build strong 

relationships with my interagency partners to ensure that they understand the value of having their 

employees do rotations in NCTC. In order to ensure that we get that buy-in from other agencies, I 

believe a first step is to conduct a thorough review of NCTC' s mission-critical staffing 

requirements. This review is vital to make informed decisions on how to prioritize our needs ahead 

of any engagement with our partner departments and agencies on this issue. In addition, NCTC 

must continue to foster a workplace that is inclusive, dynamic, and viewed as career-enhancing by 

our partner agency workforces. 

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Hearing Date: 25 July 2018 

Committee: SSCI 

Member: Sen. Susan· Collins 

Witness: VADM Joseph Maguire 

Info Current as of: 27 July 2018 

Question 2: In Wednesday's hearing you discussed the perennial"lanes in the road" challenge 

regarding how the IC covers CT issues. CIA's Counterterrorism Mission Center and NCTC's 

Directorate of Intelligence remain the two most obvious areas of overlap, especially on strategic 

terrorism analysis. What is your position on how these two organizations should cover CT and how 

would you implement this as the next National Intelligence Manager for Counterterrorism? 

Answer: in an environment of competing national security priorities and resource constraints, I 

understand how minimizing any redundancy-analytic or otherwise-is critical. I believe NCTC is 

well-positioned to identify redundancy in terrorism analysis across the IC and to work with the 

ODNI and the broader IC to reduce such instances. I understand that NCTC is already taking steps 

to systematically and objectively look into this issue and identify potential unnecessary 

redundancies across the U.S. counterterrorism community. For example, I know NCTC is 

examining the extent of analytic redundancy in CT-focused finished products, and should I be 

confirmed, I look forward to learning more about the detailed findings. I know from discussions 

with NCTC leadership the Center takes efforts to monitor planned and published CT articles in 

other product lines to avoid unwanted redundancy and minimize the impact for the Center's 

customers. If confirmed, I am committed to continuing this review process started by NCTC and to 

taking a hard look at the "lanes in the road" issue with NCTC's IC partners to reduce unnecessary 

redundancy. 

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON 

INTELLIGENCE 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

QUESTIONNAIRE FOR COMPLETION BY 

PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES 

REVISED: APRIL 2011 
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SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

QUESTIONNAIRE FOR COMri,EDQN BY 

PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES 

PART A- BIOGRAPBICAJ. INfORMAUON 

I. NAMB: ELLENELIZABETHMCCAil'niY 

OTHER NAMES USED: ELLBN HANNAH (samllimea llddmsed ld my cblldnm'sllllhool) 

2. DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH: 04 JUNB 1962 ALEXANDIUA, VIRGINIA 

ClTJZENSHlP: UNITEDSTATES 

3. MARITAL STAnJS: MAIUUED 

4. SPOUSE'S NAMB: GORDON LEONARD HANNAH.JR 

S. SPOUSE'S MAJDBNNAME IF APPLICABLE: 

6. NAMES AND AOES OP CHILDREN: 

INFORMATION REDACTED 

7. EDUCATION SINCE HIOH SCHOOL: 

INSTIMJON DAIBS ATI'ENDED DEQREE BECBJYEI2 DATE OF DBORE£ 

MONTGOMBR.Y COLLEOB 

UNIV OF S. CAROLINA 

UNIV OF MARYLAND 

1980-1912 

1982·1984 

1986-1988 

NA 

BA 

MPM 

NA 

1984 

1988 

8. EMPLOYMENT RECORD (LIST ALL POSITIONS HELD SINCE COLLEGE, INCLUDING 

MILITARY SERVICE. INDICATE NAMB OF EMPLOYER, POSlTION, Till.£ OR DESCRIPTION, 

LOCATION. AND DATES OF EMPLOYMENT.) 

EMPLOYER 

CAPITAL NEWSPAPER. 

NAVAL HISTORIC CENTER 

POS!llON/'JTfLE LQCAT!ON 

CIRCULATION MOTIRBPORTBR ANNAPOLIS, MD 1984-1986 

SUMMER INTERN WASHINGTON DC 1986 
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INS'JT11lTE FOR DBFINSE ANALYSES RESEARCH ANALYST ALEXANDRIA. VA 1986-1918 

OmCE NAVAL INTELLIGENCE(FORMERLYNAVY TECHNICAUOPBRATIONAL INTELLIGENCE 

CENTER) 

INTELLIGENCE RESEARCH SPECIALIST SlllUAND, MD 1988-1991 

U.S. ATLANTIC COMMAND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST NOR.FOL.K, VA 

U.S. COAST GUARD JNTELLICENCE (CG:l)POUCY/OPERATJONS WASHINGTON DC 1998-2003 

OmCEOP UNDERSEC DEP INTELICENCE DIRECTOR PENTAGON 

INTELLIGENCE AND NATIONALSBCllRITY ALLIANCE PRESIDENT ARLINGTON, VA 20119-2012 

NATIONAL GEOSPATJAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY COO SPRlNGFIBLD, VA 2012·2015 

NOBLIS-NSP 

NOBLIS 

PRESIDBNT 

VICE PRESIDENT 

FALLS CHURCH. VA 2015-2018 

RESTON, VA 2018 ·PRESENT 

9. OOVERNMENTEXPER.IENCE (INDICATE EXPERIENCE lN OR ASSOCIATION WITH FEDERAL, 

STATE, OR LOCAL OOVBRNMENTS, INCLUDING ADVISORY, CONSULTATIVE. HONORARY, OR 

OTHER PART• TIME SERVICE OR POSlTION. DONal" RBPBAT INFORMATION ALREADY PROVIDED 

IN QUESTION 8): 

UNPAJDCONSULTANTTOTHEUNDERSECRETAR.YDBFENSE1NTELLIGENCE2009-2012 

10. INDICATEANY SPECIALIZED INTELLIGENCE OR NATIONAL SECURrrY EXPERTISE YOU HA VB 

ACQUIRED HAVING SERVED INTHBPOSmONS DESCRIBED IN QUESTIONS 8 AND/OR 9. 

• lNTBLLtOBNE ANALYSIS 

• INTELLIGENCE OPBRATJDNS 

• INTELLIGSNCE OVERSIGHT 

• PROGRAM MANAGEMHN'r 

• INTELLJGENCE POLICY • HUMAN CAPITAL MANAGBMBNT 

• ACQUISTIONS • BUOOBTIRESOURCES • LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS 

• PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERSHIP • INNOVATION/R&D 
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II. HONORS AND AWARDS(PROVIDBJNFORMATJON ON SCHOLARSHIPS, FELLOWSHIPS, 

HONOIWlY DEGRBBS. MILrl"AR.Y OBCORATrONS, CIVILIAN SBRVJCB CITATIONS, OR ANY 

OI'HERSPECJALRECOGNmON FOR OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE ORACHIEVBMENT}: 

Numerous perlblmance awards/Special Ac:tAwanls ami.IAaers of Apprecialio!I/Cmendation 

USCG Comlllandallt Superior Aclllowment Award, USCG, 2004 

Natioaallllte!Uaence Superior Service Medii~ 2008 

SecretaJy ofDetense Meritorious CMliall Service Medal, 2008 

FedSCOOP 50 Award, Fed Mentorofthe Year,2014 

Presidential Rank Award, Meritorious, 2015 

WasllingtonExccTop30 Execs to Wald12016 

GOVCON WASH 100 fur Bis Data and Geospldial Leadersblp, 2017 

12. ORGANIZATIONAL AFFJLJATIONS (LIST MEMBERSHIPS IN AND OFFICES HELD WlTHINTHB 

LAST TEN YEARS IN ANYPROPBSSIONAL,CMC. FRATBRNAL, BUSINESS, SCHOLARLY, 

CllLTIJRAL. CHARITABLE, OR OTHER. SlMILAR. OROANIZATIONS): 

ORQANJZATJON QmQEHELD 

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS BOARD OF DIRECTORS 2001-2004 

BLBSSBDSACRAMBNTPTO PlESIDBNT 2012-2014 

ADVANCED TECHNICAL INTELUGBNCECENTERBOARDOF DIRECTORS 2012-2013 

INTBLLlGENCE AND NATIONAL SBCUlUTY ALLIANCE BOARD OF DIRBTORS 2018-PRESENT 

OEORGE MASONNATIONALSECURlTY 1NSTITUT6BOARDOP ADVISORS 2017 • PRESENT 

13. PUBLISHED WRmNOS AND SPEECHES (LIST THE TITLES, PUBLlStmRS. SLOGS AND 

PUBLICATION DATES OF ANY BOOKS. ARTICLES, REPORTs, OR OTHER PUBLISHED 

MATERIALS YOU HAW AU'IHORBD. ALSO LIST ANY PUBLICSPBECHESORREMAlUCS YOU 

HAVE MADE WllHINTHE LASTTENYEARS FOR WJDCH THERE IS A TEXT, TRANSCRIPT, OR 

VIDEO.) 1P ASKED. WILL YOU PROVIDBACOPV OF EACH REQUESTEDPUBUCATJON, TEXT, 

TRANSCRJPr, OR VIDEO? 

Contributed 10 numiiiDUSINSA White Papers to include: 

A. IMPllOVING THE ACQlllSITION OF SERVICES IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNlTV, 2017 

B. SMART CHANGE II: PREPARING THE INTELLtoENCE COMMUNITY WORKFORCE fOR 

AN EVOLVING nmBAT AND FISCAL REALITY 

C. STRATBOIC CYBER INTELLIOBNCB 

D. SMART CHANGE: LESSONS OF THE PAST, DIRECTION fOR THE FllTURE 

E!, ORGANIZATIONAL CONFLICTS OF JNTEREST: AN ANALYSIS OF PUBLIC PRIVATE 

PERSPE!CI'IVBS 

F. COUNTERJNTELLJOENC£ FOR THE :atST CENTUR.Y 
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14. QUALJFICATIONS(DESCltiB8 WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU AREQUALIPIEDTO SERWINTHB 

POSITION FOR WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED): 

I BBI.IBVE I AM QUALIFlBD TO SERVE THIS POSITION FOR 1liE FOLLOWING REASONS: 

• I AM OUfCOMEFOCUSBD. J HAVE A PROVEN AND MEASUUABLE TRACK RECORD OF 

OUTSTANDJNO PBRFORMANCEJN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATI SEC'roR; 

• I AM PAR.TICULARL Y STRONG ATBUlLDJNO AND LEADING HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS; 

• lAM PASSIONATE ABOUT THE MISSION OPTHBSTATB DEPARTMENT AND nm 

INTELLIGBNCS COMMUNITY AND POSSESS A DIUVE TO SERVE; 

• J HA VB A BROAD COMBINATION OP SKILLS AND BXPER.IBNCS IN nm PUBLIC AND PlUVATl! 

SECI'OR TO LEAD WHICH INCLUDE ALL SOUR.CB ANALYSIS. PROGRAM MANAGBMENT, 

INTBLLIGBNCS POLICY, HUMAN CAPITAL, BUOOET. JNTELLIOBNCE OPERATIONS, 

ACQUJSmON, ETC. 

PART C • POLffiCAL AND FOREIGN AD'ILJATIQNS 

IS. POLITICAL ACTJVITIES(LJST ANY MEMBERSHIPS OR OFFICES HELD IN OR FINANCIAL 

CONTRJBtmONS ORSERVICSS R.ENDBREDTO.ANY POLmCAL PARTY. BLBcnON 

COMMJTJ'BE, POLlTICAL AcnON COMMlTI'EE, OR INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE DURING TliE 

LAST TBN YBARS): 

16. CANDIDACY FOR PUBLIC OFFICE (PURNISH DETAJLS OF ANY CANDIDACY FOR ELEC'l'IVE 

PUBLIC OFFICE): 

NONE 

17. FORElON AFFILIATIONS 

(NOTB: QUESTIONS 17A AND B ARE NOT LIMITED TO RELATIONSHIPS REQUIRING REGISTRATION 

UNDER THB FOREIGN AGENTS REGISTRATION ACT. QUESTIONS 17A. B. AND C DO NOT CALL FOR. 

A POSITIVE RESPONSE IF THE REPRESBN'I'ATION OR TRANSAcnON WAS AumGRlZEDBYTiiE 

UNITED STATES GOVERNMBNI' IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR OR. YOUR. SPOUSit'S EMPLOYMENT 

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A. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE BVERREPRESBNTBD IN ANY CAPACITY (E.G. BMPLOYEE, 

AT'J'ORNBY, OR POLmCAIJBUSDIESSCONSULTANT), WITH OR WlTHOUTCOMPBNSATlON.A 

FORBJGN GOVBRNMBNTORAN ENTlTYCONTROLLED BY A FOREIGN GOVBRNMBNT? IF SO, 

PLEASE FULLY DESCRIBE SUCH RELATlONSHlP. 

NO 

B. HAVE ANY OF YOUR OR YOUR SPOUSE'S ASSOCIATES REPRJ!SENTSD,IN ANY CAPACITY, 

WITH OR WlnfOUI'COMPBNSATION, A FORBIGN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENTITY CONTROLLED 

BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE FULLY Dl!SCJUBB SUCH RELATIONSHIP. 

NO 

C. DURING THE PASTTBN YEARS, HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE RBCEJVEDANY COMPENSATION 

FROM, OR. BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL OR. BUSINESS TRANSAcrtONS WrJ'H, A FOREIGN 

GOVBRNMBNT OR ANY ENTITY CONTllOLLBD BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO. PL!ASE 

PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

D. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVERRBGISTBRIID UNDER THB FOREIGN AGENTS 

REGISTRATION ACT? IF SO. PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

18. DBSCRIBE ANY LOBBYING ACTMTY DURING THE PASTTENYBAR.S,OTHER.mANlN AN 

OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENTCAPACITY,IN WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVEENOAOBD fOR 

THB PURPOSB Of DUU!C'I1.. Y ORJNDIR.ECTL Y INFLUENCING Tim PASSAGE. DBPEAT. OR 

MODIFICATION Of FBDBRAL LSJJSLATION,OR.FOR THEPUR.POSil Of AFPECTJNO THE 

ADMINISTRAnON AND EXECUI10N OffBDBRAL LAW OR PUBLIC POLICY. 

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19. DBSCIUBE ANY EMPLOYMENT, BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP, FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, 

INVESTMENT, ASSOCJATION, OR ACTIVITY (JNCLUDJNO, Bt.rrNOfLIMlTBD TO. DEALINGS 

WlTHTHB FBDBRAL OOVERNMENTON YOUR OWN BBHALFORON BEHALF OF A CLIBNT}. 

WHICH COULD CREATE. OR AP.PBAR TO CREATE, A CONFLICT OF lN'J"SREST IN THE POSl1lON 

TO WHICH YOUHAVB BEEN NOMINATED. 

NONE 

20. DO YOU IN'IENDTO SEYER. ALL BUSINESS CONNECTIONS WITH YOUR PRESBNTEMPLOYER.S, 

FIRMS, BUSINESS A.SSOCIAlES AND/OR PARTNERSHIPS, OR. OTHER. OR.GANlZATIONS IN THE 

EYENTTHATYOU ARE CONFIRMBDBYTHESBNATS? IFNOf, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

21. DESCRIBE 11m FINANCIAL ARR.ANOBMENTS YOU HAVE MADE OR PLAN TO MAKE, IF YOU 

ARE CONFIRMED, IN CONNBcriON WrrH SEVlillANCE FR.OM YOURCURRENTPOSmON. PLEASE 

INCLUDE SEVBRANCB PAY, PENSION lUOKI'S, STOCK OPTIONS. DEFERRED JNCOME 

ARRANGEMENTS, AND ANY AND ALL COMPENSATION THAT WILL OR. MfGHI'BB RECEIVED IN 

11IE FUTURE AS A RESULT OF YOUR Ct.llUU!NT BUSINESS OR PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS. 

NO ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE. I PLAN TO SEPARATE FROM MY CURRENT 

POSmON AND WD.L FOIU'BIT ANY PO'l13NT!AL BONUS OR onmR FORMS OF COMPENSATION 

PENDINO CONFIRMA110N. 

22. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS, COMMl'I'MENTS, ORAOR.BBMEN'l'S TO PURSUE Ol.ITSIDE 

EMPLOYMENT, WITH OR. wn'HOUTCOMPENSATION, DURING YOUR SEB.VICB WlTHTHB 

GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVJDB DBTAR.S. 

23. AS FAR AS CAN BE FORESEEN, STATE YOUR PLANSAPTERCOMPLBTJNG GOVERNMENT 

SER.VICB. PLEASE SPECIFICALLY DI!SCRIBB ANY AGREEMENTS OR UNDERSTANDINGS, 

WlUTI'BN OR UNWIUTI'BN, CONCERNINO EMPLOYMENT AFTBR.LEAVINOGOVERNMBNT 

SERVICE. IN PAllTiCULAR. DESCRIBE ANY AGR.BBMBNTS, UNDERSTANDINGS, OR OFI'IONS 

TO RBTURNTO YOUR. CURRENT POSITION. 

l HAVBNOPLANS(AND NO AGREEMENTS) FOLLOWING OOYERNMENTSBRVJCB 
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24. IP YOU ARE PRBSBNTLY IN GOVERNMENT SBRVICE. DURJNGTHB PAST FlVB YEARS OF SUCH 

SBRVICB, HAVE YOU RECEMD PilOMAPERSON OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT AN OFFEil OR 

EXPRESSION OPINTERESTTOBMPLOYYOUR SERVICES APTBR YOU LEAVE GOVERNMBNT 

SBRVICB? If YSS. PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NOT IN GOVBR.NMSNTSBRVIC£ 

25, IS YOUR SPOUSE EMPLOYED? IPYESANDTHENA'IURE OF THIS EMPLOYMENT IS RELATED 

IN ANY WAYTOTHE POSITION FOR WHICH YOU ARE SBBKINO CONFIRMATION, PLBASB 

INDJCATE YOUR SPOUSE'S BMPLOYER. THEPOBlTION. ANDTHBLENGTHOFTIMBTHB 

POsmON HAS BEEN HELD. IF YOUR. SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT IS NOfReLATBDTOTHB 

POSmONTOWHICHYOU HAW BEEN NOMINATED, PLEASE SOSJ'ATB. 

YES 

DELDITTE & TOUCHE, LLC 

PRINCIPAL 

2009 ·PRESENT 

HUSBAND'S POSmON IS NOT RELATBDTOTHEPOSITION FOR. WHICH I HAVE BEEN NOMINATED. 

26. LIST BELOW ALL CORPORATIONS. PARTNERSHIPS, FOUNDATIONS. TRUSTS, OR. OTHER 

ENTITIES'l'OWARDWHICH YOU OR. YOUR SPOUSE HAVB flDUCIAR.YOBLIGATIONS OR. IN WHICH 

YOU OR. YOUR Sl'OUSE HA VB HELD Dl1U!CJ'OltSHJP OR. <miER. POSmONS OPTR.UST DURING THE 

PAST P1VB YBAR.S. 

POSJ'DQN SBLf OR SPO!Jliij 

NONE 

27. UST ALL GIFt'S EXCEEDING SIOO IN VALUERECBIVED DTJRING THE PASTFIVB YBAR.S BY 

YOU, YOUR SPOUSE. OR YOUR DEPSNDBNTS. (NOTB: GJFrS RECEIVED PROM RELATIVES 

AND GIFTS GIVEN TO YOUR SPOUSE OR. DEPBNDBNTNBBDNOT BE INCLUDBDUNLESSTHE 

OJJ'TWAS GIVEN WITH YOUR KNOWI.l!DOBAND ACQUI.ESCENCI:! AND YOU HAD REASON TO 

BELIEVETHEGIPTWAS GIVEN BECAUSE OFYOURGmCJALPOSITION.) 

NONE 

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APPLICATION DBNIED'1 IF THE ANSWER TO ANY OF111ESE Qtll!STIONS IS YES. PLEASEPROVJDE 

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FBDBRAL INCOME TAX RB'I'URNS FOR mE PAST THREE YEARS? 

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RBTUR.NS. 

VIROINIA 

CALIFORNIA (AS REQUIRED BY MY HUSBAND'S COMPANY) 

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JNVBSTIOATION, OR INQUIRY AT ANY TIME? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS, INCLUDING 

THE RESULT OP ANY SUCH PR.OCBBDING. 

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AN INCOME TAX PAVMENTTHATWASJMPROPBllLY APPLIED TOmE WRONOCALENDAR 

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CLlEMTS ANDCUSTOMBRS WHOM YOU BILLED MORE THAN $200 WORTH OF SER.VICBS 

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LICENSBDTO PRACTICE. 

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DEP.ENDENTMBMBERS OF YOUR IMMEDIATE HOUSEHOLD IN A BLIND TRUST? IF YES, 

PLEASE PURNISH DETAILS. IF 'NO. DBSCRIBB OTHER ARRANGEMENTS FOR. A VOIDING ANY 

POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OP IN'IEREST. 

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37. lF APPLICABLE. LIST THE LASTnutBE YEARS OF ANNUAL FINANCIAJ., DISCLOSURE REPORTS 

YOU HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO FILE WITH YOUR AGENCY. DEPAilTMBNT, OR BRANCH OF 

GOVERNMENT. IF ASKED. WILL YOU PltOVIDB A COPY OF Tfll!SE REPOllTS? 

OOE FORMS LAST'l'HRl!E YEARS OF OOVERNMENT SERVICE (2013-2016) 

I WILL PR.OVJDB COPIES lF REQUESTED 

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BIEACHOFBTHICS OR. UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT BY, OR. BEEN THE SUBJECT OP A 

COMPLAINT TO, ANY COURT, ADMINJSTltA11VE AGENCY. PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION,. 

DISCJPLINAR.Y COMMl'ITBE, OR. OTHBit PI\OFESSIONAL OllOUP? IF SO. PROVIDE DETAILS. 

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STATE,OR.OTHERLAWENFORCBMENTAUTHOlUTYFORVIOLATIONOFANYI'EDERALSTATE, 

COUNIY, OR MUNICJPAL LAW, REGULATION. Oil ORDINANCE, OTHER THAN A MINOR 'l'RAFFIC 

OFPBNSE,OR. NAMED AS A DBFENDANTOR anmR.WlSB IN ANY INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION 

RELATING TO SUCH VIOLATION? IF SO, PROVIDE DBTAILS. 

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CONTENDERE TO ANY CRIMINAL VIOLATION onmR THAN A MINOR TRAPFIC OPFENSE? IF 

SO, PROVIDE DETAILS. 

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ADMINJSTRATIVEAOENCY PR.OC£BDINO OR ClVIL LmOATIONl lF SO. PLEASE PR.OVmE 

DETAILS. 

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STATE AGENCY PROCEEDINO, GRAND JURY INVBSTIGATION. OR CR1MJNAL OR CJW. 

LITIGATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS? IF' SO, PROVIDE DETAILS. 

NO 

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BBENA PARTY TO ANY ADMINlSTRATIVBAOENCYPROCEBDJNQ OR CIUMINALORCML 

LmGATION RBLEVANTTOTHEPOSmONTO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED? IPSO, 

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OFFICER, YOU NEEDONLYCONSIDIRPROCBBDINOS ANDLmGATION THATOCCI.JitRED 

WHILE YOU WBRE AN OPFICElOPTHATBUSINESS.) 

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PROVIDE DBTAILS. 

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INPORMATJON FOR. ANY REASON? IF Yl!S, PLBASE EXPLAlN IN DBTAIL. 

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YES. Cl OR NATIONAL SEClJRJ:TY POL YORAPH AS REQt,1IRED BY THE POSmoN 

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BXPLAJN. 

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INTELLIGENCE.ACTIVmBS. INPAR.TICULAR.CHARACTERIZEWHATYOUBI!UEVETOBE 

THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE ASSISTANT SBCRITARY OF STATE FOR JN'I."SJ..LIGENCEAND 

RESEARCH, AND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITI'l!ES OF THE CONORESS RESPECTIVELY IN THB 

OVERSIGHT PROCESS. 

CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OFTHB U.S. INTBLLIOENCECOMMUNJTYREPERS TOTHB 

VITAL ROLE CONGRESS PLAYS IN BUDOiT AtJTHORJZATION ANDAPPllOPJUATIONS; 

RIGOROUS IUMJl.W OF JNTELLlGENCBACTMTIES AND OPBRATI~ AND ENSURING THE IC 

OPERATESWinDNTHBCONPINESOFTHELAW. 

TilE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OP STATE FOR INI'ELLIGENCE AND DSE.AaCH (JNR) IS THE 

HEAD OF THE BURI!AU OF JNR Wl'l'HINTHE DEPARTMENT OF STATE. IT'S PRIMARY MISSION 

IS TOLBVERAGE ALL SOURCES OF JNTELLIOENC£! TO SUPPORT STATE DEPARTMENT 

POLJCYMAKBRS, FOREIGN POLICY ANDNATIONALSECUlUTVOPBRATORS ANDBXBCUTlV£ 

BRANCH OVERSIGHT WlntiNTHBSTATE DEPARTMENT FORSENSITM3 GLOBAL 

COUN'I'ERINTELLIGBNCE AND LAW ENrORCEMENT AcnVITIES. 

THB RELATIONSHIP OFTHEASSJSTANTSECRETARY INRANDCONGRESSIONAL OVERIGHTlS 

PARTICULARLYJMPORTANTGIVENTHESTATB DEPARTMENTS ROLE JN 1HE OVERSIGHT OF 

ALL US. GOVERNMENT ACTIVlT.I!S OVBRSEAS. JNRCOORDINATBS ACI'M'I'ES RELATES TO 

INTELLIGENCE, SECURITY, COUNT.ERINTBLLIGENCE,INVESTJGATIV£ AND SPECIAL 

OPERATIONS. THIS SHARED RESPONSIBILITY IS ONE OF THE MOST CRlTICAL CHECKS AND 

BALANCES ACROSS GOVER.NMBNT ANDENSURESTHATSTATE INRREMAINS ACCOUNTABLE 

FOR ITS ACTIONS. 

49. EXPLAIN YOUR.UNDERSTANDINOOFTHERESPONSmiLmESOFTHEASSISTANTSECRETARY 

OF STATE FOR INl'BLUGENCE AND RBSEARCH. 

RESPONSmiLTIES OF THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INTELLIGENCE AND 

RESEARCH {INR) JNCLUDB: 

• HEADOFTHEBUltEAU OFINR WITHIN U.S. DEPAR.TMENTOFSTATB; 

• LEAD AND DEVELOP JNRSTAP.F, A CRITICAL RESOURCE FOR U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY; • SBllVBAS THE PIUNCII'LE INTELLIGENCE ADVISOR TO THE SBCRETR.Y OF STATE: 

• REPRESENTTHBDEPARTMENTOPSTATBwrmtNTHBJN'I'ELLJGENCECOMMUNITY; • PROVIDE SENIOR. POLICYMAKERS, DIPLOMATS AND OTHER. CONSUMERS OF 

INTELLIGENCE WITH TIMEL Y,lNDEPENDENT AND RELEVANT ALL SOURCE 

INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS; • OVI!RSEE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE AND SENSmVB JNTELLIOENCB-RELATED LAW 

ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITESAND I!NSURETHATTHEY ARECONSISTBNT AND SUPPORT US 

FOREIGN POLICY ANDNATIONALS!CURITYOBJECTM!S; • DEVELOP AND S1'RENO'lHEN PUBLIC, PRIVATE AND ACADS.\DC SECl'OR OUTREACH. 
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AFfiRMATION 

I, BLLBN ELIZABEtH MCCARTHY. 00 SWEAR THAT THE ANSWERS I HAVE PROVIDED TO 

THIS QUESTIONNAJRBAIEACCURAT.EANDCOMPLETE. 

SIGNATURE OF ELLEN McCARTHY 

DATED:JUNE 29, 2018 

SIGNATURE OF NOTARY 

DATED: JUNE 29,2018 
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TO Tim CHAIRMAN, SBLBCT COlOOTTBB ONINTBILIGENCB: 

In connection with my nomination to be Assistant Sem:etary of State for 

Intelligence and Research, I hereby express my wil.J.iD,gness to respond to requests 

to appear and testifY before any duly constituted committee ofthe Senate. 

SIGNATURE OF ELLEN McCARTHY 

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UNCLASSIFIED 

Response to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

Additional Questions for 

Ellen E. McCarthy upon her nomination to be 

Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research 

July 20, 2018 

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Question: 

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Prebearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 1 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

What do you believe are currently the highest priority national security and foreign policy issues 

for INR? 

Answer: 

The highest priority national security or foreign policy issues for INR are those that 

occupy the Secretary of State and other national security policymakers on a daily basis, 

especially those that impact the vital interests of the United States and its allies. These often 

involve country-specific or regional issues, but also transnational threats and challenges. 

If confirmed, I will work to ensure that INR and the IC continue to support the President and the 

Secretary's foreign policy priorities. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 2 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July ll, 2018 

Question: 

What unique role does INR's analysis play, as compared to the analysis produced by other IC 

agencies? 

Answer: 

INR's analysis is unique in part because of its proximity to the Secretary of State and the 

Department of State's policymak:ers and its mission of providing timely and tailored intelligence 

to support foreign policy decision-making. These are worldwide responsibilities; INR needs to be 

able to provide both country and region-specific analysis, as well as analysis focused on 

transnational functional issues. It also needs to support policy engagements specific to the 

Department of State, such as bilateral meetings and multilateral conferences. INR's analysis 

draws on a unique combination oflong-term civilian expertise, IC personnel who have rotated into 

INR on joint duty assignments, their analytic outreach network and most especially the expertise 

of the Foreign Service. All of these factors allow INR to provide first-rate analysis that benefits 

not just the Department but the entire national security community. 

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INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 3 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

If confirmed, how would you focus INR's resources to achieve these priorities and ensure that 

State Department policy makers had sufficient support in these areas? 

One of my priorities will be to ensure that INR has the resources it needs to grow its 

impact on the Secretary of State's priorities and the Department's global responsibilities. I also 

will be a strong advocate for enhanced IC collections to support the Secretary's needs. I 

understand that INR's ability to cover both the high-profile and the "over the horizon" issues is 

attributable in significant measure to both the deep expertise common among its analysts and the 

close, daily proximity between INR personnel and their colleagues among policymakers at the 

State Department. I will certainly work to maintain and even further enhance INR's close 

relationships with its policy clients. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 4 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

If confinned, how would you plan to ensure that INR analysts have access to all sources of 

infonnation available to the IC? 

Answer: 

I understand that INR analysts have access to intelligence reporting, including sensitive 

compartmented infonnation that is relevant to their portfolio, primarily through the use of the 

IC's NOT search system. In the very few situations in which an analyst does not have routine 

access to a particularly sensitive reporting line that becomes relevant to the analyst's work, INR 

has developed procedures with the other IC collection agencies that pennit the analyst to gain 

access to the relevant infonnation with one-time read-ins. INR coordinates on all IC-joint 

production, including all PDB articles; in a very few rare instances, because of highly sensitive 

compartmentalization, coordination by INR or other agencies without access, are waived by 

ODNI. These rare cases arise where there is a need to protect an extremely sensitive source. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr # 5 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

If confirmed, how would you ensure that INR analysts provide independent analysis and 

assessments? How would you ensure that differing assessments are incorporated into final 

analyses? 

Answer: 

INR has a long history of "telling it like it is" and providing independent analysis to 

policymakers in the Department. If confirmed, it will be my priority to ensure that INR maintains 

its analytic independence while holding itself to the highest standards of analytic tradecraft. 

Analytical dissents are a normal part of the IC collaboration process. Policymakers 

appreciate and benefit from knowing when and why analysts disagree. If confirmed I would fully 

support INR analysts who offer well-grounded dissenting opinions that touch on the major 

judgments ofiC-coordinated products 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr # 6 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Whom do you consider to be INR's primary customers? 

Answer: 

---INR's primary customer is of course the Secretary of State. Its focus is to supply 

intelligence and analysis for the Secretary and other Department of State officials, and that will 

be my priority if confirmed. INR analysts also write articles for the President's Daily Briefing 

and other JC joint products, and regularly coordinate and collaborate with other intelligence 

community elements on a wide range variety of analytic products intended for the broader 

national security community. If confirmed, I look forward to reviewing INR's current activities 

and hearing from Department policymakers on their needs to advance U.S. foreign policy. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 7 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

If confirmed, how would you direct INR's analytical resources to fulfill its mission to those 

different customers? 

Answer: 

While INR's primary focus is to supply intelligence and analysis for the Secretary of State 

and the Department, the requirements of its external customers are often very much in line with 

their priority internal State customers. I understand that INR analytic products are widely 

disseminated and valued across the Executive Branch. INR's Program of Analysis is developed 

in consultation with INR's policy clients and reflects the priorities of the Department as well as 

the President's Intelligence Priorities, and the National Intelligence Priorities Framework. If 

confirmed, I look forward to engaging INR's various clients to better understand their policy 

support requirements. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 8 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

If confirmed, how do you envision utilizing INR' s Office of Analytical Outreach (INRI AO), 

which exchanges analyses with the private sector to benefit the IC with outside expertise? 

Answer: 

---INR has a leading role in analytic outreach in the Intelligence Community (IC) and has 

been designated as the outreach coordinator on behalf of the National Intelligence Council and is 

the permanent Co-Chair of the National Intelligence Analysis Board's Analytic Outreach 

Committee, which is mandated to implement lCD 205 throughout the IC. INR is the only IC 

element with an office dedicated to analytic outreach. In this capacity, INR convenes experts from 

the private sector, academia, think tanks, and international and nongovernmental organizations to 

share their research and analytic insights with IC analysts and USG policy makers to inject a 

variety of views and new thinking to help inform intelligence analysis. All ofiNR's exchanges 

are designed for a broad USG audience in an off-the-record and not for-attribution setting to foster 

candid discussion with outside experts. I believe that this function is very important for analyst 

and policymakers, as it helps guard against tunnel vision and group think. If confirmed I will 

ensure that INR continues to expose the IC and policymakers to diverse perspectives. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 9 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

What do you understand to be the obligation of the Assistant Secretary of State to keep 

congressional intelligence committees fully and currently informed about matters relating to 

compliance with the Constitution and laws? 

Answer: 

If confirmed, I will keep you fully and currently informed about matters relating to 

compliance with the Constitution and laws. This is a matter of statutory compliance but also 

good government. I fully appreciate and respect the important oversight role of Congress. If 

confirmed, I will make myself, my senior team, and INR staff available for meetings and 

briefings. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 10 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

If confirmed, how would you manage and achieve INR's obligations to the Secretary of State 

and to the Director of National Intelligence? 

Answer: 

---INR is a bureau of the Department and operates under the Department's personnel 

system, budget, and guidance in a number of respects. In other areas it is under IC authorities. 

My sense is that the relative roles ofiNR within the Department and the Intelligence Community 

are not at odds, but are instead essential to its success. The bureau serves, in other words, as a 

bridge between the worlds of diplomacy and intelligence, playing a role that is critical for both 

the Secretary of State and the DNI. 

INR's mission is to ensure that well-informed and independent analysis informs foreign 

policy decisions and that intelligence and counterintelligence activities support America's 

foreign policy. If confirmed, it will be my priority to work with Secretary Pompeo to understand 

what he needs from INR and the form in which he needs it. I will ensure that INR continues to 

make a valuable contribution to the Secretary of State and that INR leverages the global presence 

of the Department of State to make an important contribution to the Intelligence Community. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 11 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

How do you view INR's role within the Department of State versus INR's support to the IC? 

Answer: 

---INR's primary focus is to supply intelligence and analysis for Secretary of State and other 

Department policymakers. INR also has a role to play as part of the IC. INR analysts write 

articles for the President's Daily Briefing and other IC joint products, and regularly coordinate 

and collaborate with other intelligence community elements on a wide range of analytic products 

intended for a broader national security community. INR coordination officers work closely 

with other IC elements on collection, evaluation, and intelligence policy issues. JNR' s role in the 

worlds of diplomacy and intelligence complement each other and are vital to its success. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr # 12 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

If confirmed, what would be your role in mediating any differences that should arise between the 

Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of State regarding National 

Intelligence Program resource allocation? 

Answer: 

I do not anticipate such differences ever arising, but if they did, I would work with both 

the DNI and the Secretary to find a solution that would ensure that policymakers continue to 

receive the intelligence support they need. If a collection resource issue had to be referred to 

OMB, I will support efforts to achieve a satisfactory resolution. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr # 13 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Please describe the role ofiNR in ensuring that the programs and operations of the IC are 

consistent with, and support, United States foreign policy. 

Answer: 

INR coordinates activities between the Department of State and the IC to ensure that they 

are mutually supportive and are consistent with foreign policy. I understand it does this in part 

by maintaining a staff of intelligence professionals who have an expertise in intelligence 

operations while also tracking foreign policy developments. These professionals brief 

Department policymakers on intelligence activities, including the likely gains and risks, so that 

policy makers can make informed judgments about whatever is proposed. 

If confirmed, I will work with senior policymakers to ensure INR's coordination staff 

continues to have direct access to the Department's most senior officials and can provide them 

the benefit of their insight, expertise and ability to reach into the IC for more information. These 

professionals also can communicate policy guidance to the IC in secure channels. 

If confirmed, I will maintain this critical INR function and work to ensure that INR 

supports State policymakers so that they can make fully informed decisions. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 14 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

What role should INR play in advocating on behalf of Department of State policymakers for 

expanded "read in" to compartmented collection activities (and analyses derived from those 

activities) and covert action programs? 

~: 

I believe that we can balance the need to protect sensitive information with the need for 

access. If INR staff are aware of sensitive intelligence that policymakers need to see in order to 

do their jobs, I will be prepared, if confirmed, to advocate for that access, while at the same time 

ensuring that we are doing all that we can to protect sensitive sources and methods. 

With respect to covert action programs, and analyses derived from those activities, if 

confirmed, I will continue to ensure that INR follows the NSC' s security rules. I understand that 

those rules allow INR to decide who needs to be read in to programs in most cases; if confirmed 

I will continue INR's policy of ensuring that the needs of policymakers for access are met but 

that security rules are also strictly adhered to. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 15 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Do you believe that INR has the structure and resources necessary to support United States 

foreign policy and Department of State policymakers? Upon what factors do you base your 

answer? 

Answer: 

---I understand that INR has realigned and reorganized resources over the last several years 

to ensure that it is postured to meet current chaiienges. Importantly, it created the Office of 

Technology and Innovation, headed by a Senior Executive Service official, to ensure that INR 

continues to modernize its IT infrastructure so that INR officers have access to appropriate IT 

tools and resources, including those available in the wider IC. It also made other changes, 

including changes that enhanced its ability to support policymakers' requests for cleared 

language and to participate in the IC's counterintelligence policy work. 

I understand that the hiring freeze left INR, I ike the rest of the State Department, with 

vacancies but that Secretary Pompeo has lifted the freeze and is pressing the Department to "get 

back on the field". If confirmed, I will work with resource managers in the Department to 

determine how and when we can fill INR's most critical vacancies. 

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My number one priority will be to ensure that the INR workforce has the resources, tools 

and tradecraft it need to increase its impact in the already top-notch support it provides the 

Secretary of State and other Department policymakers. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

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Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Please describe what you believe should be INR's role in supporting United States Chiefs of 

Missions, in terms of analytic support and in facilitating policy guidance related to collection and 

covert action programs and operations. 

Answer: 

---One of INR' s key missions is to ensure that Chiefs of Mission know and understand their 

intelligence oversight authorities and responsibilities, including their responsibility to clear on 

sensitive intelligence activities. INR emphasizes that in most cases the Chief of Mission is the 

only policy maker who decides whether the likely gain from an intelligence operation justifies its 

risks. To support Chiefs of Mission, INR conducts intelligence oversight training for new Chiefs 

of Mission and Deputy Chiefs of Mission, arranges briefings at IC elements, and issues guidance 

on a regular basis. 

INR staff is also available 24/7 to respond to requests for information and assistance from 

Chiefs of Mission around the world. INR actively reaches out to Chiefs of Mission to solicit their 

views for proposed intelligence activities. 

INR makes its analytic products, including foreign public opinion research analysis, 

available to Chiefs of Mission and other embassy staff. Additionally, INR analysts travel to the 

field to provide in-person briefings and conduct consultations. 

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If confirmed, I intend to ensure that INR is doing all it can to support our Chiefs of 

Mission. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr # 17 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Is the IC obligated to cease intelligence activities that do not have the concurrence of the Chief 

of Mission, absent presidential direction? 

Answer: 

It is my understanding that the IC is obligated to suspend intelligence activities that do 

not have the concurrence of the Chief of Mission and to refer disputes to Washington 

headquarters elements for resolution. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 18 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Is Chief of Mission concurrence required for intelligence activities, such as certain signals 

intelligence and cyber operations that affect the country in question but may not be conducted by 

members of the U.S. mission? What should be the role oflNR in ensuring that Chiefs of 

Mission are aware of these activities? 

Answer: 

My understanding is that Chiefs of Mission would have a role to play in reviewing and 

providing concurrence for certain types of signals intelligence collection or cyber operations. 

lNR's role is to ensure that policymakers in the Department and Chiefs of Mission 

overseas have the opportunity to provide foreign policy review and conduct a risk/benefit 

analysis when appropriate. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 19 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Should INR have a role in resolving disagreements that arise between Chiefs of Mission and the 

Department of Defense? 

Answer: 

---Whether INR would have a role in resolving any disagreements between the Department 

of Defense and Chiefs of Mission would depend very much on the nature of the issue. The 

Bureau of Political-Military Affairs serves as central coordinating offices for many State-DOD 

issues. INR could have a role to play if the disagreement involved an intelligence issue. I 

understand that INR is represented on a State Department internal working group that helps 

ensure appropriate Chief of Mission oversight of certain sensitive DOD deployments overseas 

and would be one of several bureaus in the working group that would work to resolve any 

interagency disagreements. In addition, DIA has a senior liaison officer assigned to the State 

Department who is embedded in INR; this officer and INR work together as appropriate to help 

resolve intelligence coordination issues that arise at our missions or between the Department and 

elements of DoD. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 20 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Section 1.8 of Executive Order 12333 tasks the Secretary of State with transmitting reporting 

requirements and advisory taskings of the Intelligence Community to Chiefs of Mission and 

disseminating reports received from U.S. diplomatic and consular posts. What should INR's role 

be in identifying intelligence gaps that could be addressed through diplomatic reporting? What 

should INR's role be in ensuring that diplomatic reporting is disseminated throughout the 

Department of State and the Intelligence Community? 

Answer: 

I understand that INR works with the National HUMINT Requirements Tasking Center 

(NHRTC) to develop National HUMINT Collection Directives and transmits these Directives to 

U.S. missions overseas. To help facilitate the work of the NHRTC, a senior Foreign Service 

Officer serves in a leadership position -- as Chair or Vice Chair -- of the NHRTC. In addition, 

several other lower-level Foreign Service Officers serve in the Center. NHRTC's taskings are 

considered advisory taskings for the Department, but INR works hard to encourage diplomatic 

reporting, particularly on issues identified by NHRTC as information gaps that can best be filled 

by diplomatic reporting. If confirmed I will continue INR's role in championing diplomatic 

reporting for the benefit of the entire USG. 

With respect to distribution of diplomatic reporting, there are well established mechanisms 

in the Department and the JC to distribute the Department's diplomatic reporting to those who 

need to see it. Responsibility for the distribution of diplomatic reporting lies outside of INR, but if 

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confirmed I will be available to my IC colleagues to help resolve any concerns they have about 

receiving the diplomatic reporting that they need. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 21 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

If confirmed, what modifications (if any) do you envision for INR personnel, in terms of hiring, 

structure, promotion, and retention? 

Answer: 

The quality ofiNR's analysis and production is inextricably linked to its ability to attract, 

retain and develop a first class work force. I understand that INR already has a highly 

competitive selection process associated with INR positions to ensure top quality candidates for 

positions in the bureau. The combination of Civil Service officers who have spent many years 

on the same account and Foreign Service officers who bring an overseas perspective contributes 

to INR's reputation for strong, independent analysis. 

If confirmed, I would ensure that INR does everything within its power to continue to 

attract, promote, and retain people of this caliber- individuals with the expertise and integrity 

that INR is known for. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 22 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Please describe any specific goals that you would have to improve INR? 

Answer: 

To start, I remain incredibly impressed with the high caliber of INR's people and work 

If confirmed, I would want to see INR continue to play an important role in serving as 

the nexus between the State Department and the Intelligence Community. My job would be to 

ensure that the INR workforce has the tools and resources they need to continue to grow their 

impact on the State Department mission. I would make it a priority to continue to recruit and 

develop the deep analytic expertise for which it is renowned, while also looking carefully at 

INR' s longer-term needs. I will want to ensure that INR continues to excel in its coordination 

function. INR's hiring and resource allocations must reflect the priorities and challenges that our 

policymakers will confront in the years ahead. In addition to people, if confirmed, I will focus 

on continuing INR' s IT modernization. INR staff should have access to state-of-the-art 

information technology to enable them to carry out their mission in the most secure way 

possible. I would work to leverage resources that might be available in the broader IC. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 23 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

How do you intend to protect whistleblowers, ensure that their complaints are treated 

appropriately, and that they are protected from reprisals? 

Answer: 

If confirmed, I will ensure that all INR employees are aware of their rights and the 

protections available to them. Presidential Policy Directive-19, Protecting Whistleblowers with 

Access to Classified Information (PPD-19) ensures that employees serving in the IC can 

effectively report waste, fraud, and abuse while protecting classified national security 

information. My role as Assistant Secretary would be to ensure that all staff members feel 

comfortable coming forward with issues of concern without fear of reprisal. 

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Prehearing Question Submitted to 

INR Nominee Ellen E. McCarthy by 

Senator Burr# 24 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 11, 2018 

Please describe specifically how your experiences will enable you to serve as the Assistant 

Secretary of State for INR, and how these experiences would enable you to serve effectively in 

the future. 

Answer: 

If confirmed, I will come to State INR with over thirty years of broad mission experience across 

the IC and the private sector and deep expertise in the business of intelligence (to include vision, 

strategy, people, budget, requirements). It is this experience and a track record of leaving every 

organization that I have served more capable then when I arrived that will enable me to serve 

effectively in the future. 

INR's primary missions and some examples of how my experience will enable me to serve as the 

Assistant Secretary of!NR include: 

I. All-Source Analysis and Outreach -The first ten years of my career were spent as an 

all-source analyst first at the Office of Naval Intelligence and later as the Deputy 

Director of Analysis at the Atlantic Intelligence Command. In this capacity I coordinated 

with INR analysts in the production of National Intelligence Estimates, and was an avid 

consumer of INR products and where I first gained respect for the caliber of their 

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analysts. If confirmed, my primary focus will be to recruit, retain and develop a diverse 

staff, the INR brand, and make sure that they have the tools and resources that they need. 

To do this I will draw upon my experience in professional development while serving as 

the Director of Human Capital Management as the Office of the Under Secretary of 

Defense Intelligence, where I developed a certification system for analysis that is 

currently being implemented across the defense intelligence components. I will also be 

informed by my currently position as the VP for Intelligence and Analytics at Noblis, a 

nonprofit organization that provides scientific and technical solutions to the national 

security sectors toughest technical problems. This position has afforded me real insight 

into the tools and capabilities that lNR analysts need, and more importantly what is 

available to them, to thrive and operate securely in a digital environment. 

To support lNR's analytic outreach efforts, l will leverage my experience inside and outside 

of government, with a focus on building uponlNR's expertise in foreign policy and 

intelligence issues. lNR's analytic offices include the Office of the Geographer and Global 

Issues, headed by the Department's Geographer, which represent both the State Department 

and the broader U.S. government in geographic mapping. My three years of experience as 

the Chief Operating Officer at the National Geospatiallntelligence Agency has not only 

provided a deep understanding of the value of geospatial intelligence, and the capabilities 

that exist in the public and private sector but a great network to leverage in support of the 

State Department. INR also co-chairs the National Intelligence Analysis Board's Outreach 

Committee and conducts hundreds of seminars with the private sector, academic and NGO 

experts on many of the most challenging foreign policy and intelligence issues. Here I will 

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apply my experience and network gained while leading the Intelligence and National 

Security Alliance, the IC's think tank and a forum for collaboration among the public, private 

and academic sector in tackling the IC most pressing challenges. 

2. Intelligence Policy and Coordination- INR also ensures that the IC is supporting the 

foreign policy mission and conversely that IC missions are informed by foreign policy. 

In this regard I will draw upon my experience as the Director of Intelligence Operations 

and Policy at the U.S. Coast Guard. The USCG is a small service, during my time there 

it was smaller than the New York City police department. Like INR, USCG punched 

above its weight and that was because of our success in leveraging the IC to support the 

USCG's law enforcement and defense missions. Also like the State Department, the 

USCG provided insights and collections that could not be derived from any other source. 

I will also draw upon my oversight experiences at OUSDI as well as my ability to 

manage NGA's people, budget and requirements and make sure that they were aligned 

with the vision of the Director, the DNI and the Secretary of Defense. 

I will bring extensive experience across the IC and the private sector and relevant skills should I 

be confirmed for this position. I will work tirelessly to ensure that INR continues to provide the 

President, the Secretary of State and other senior policy makers with timely, independent 

intelligence analysis and that our intelligence activities support our foreign policy and national 

security objectives. 

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Ellen McCarthy, Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research Nominee by 

Senator Tom Cotton (#1) 

Question: 

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July 25, 2018 

What does this report tell you about the brazenness of Iranian intelligence services to commit 

attacks in Europe that would kill hundreds if not thousands of peaceful European citizens? 

Answer: 

Based on this and other reporting, Iranian intelligence and security services very likely 

were involved in planning attacks in Europe. It appears Iranian dissidents were the intended 

target of this most recent incident, rather than mass casualties, but it nevertheless indicates 

heightened risk tolerance by the regime. Intelligence reporting could corroborate the open 

source reporting on this case and possibly inform us on broader regime intentions. 
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Ellen McCarthy, Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research Nominee by 

Senator Tom Cotton (#2) 

Question: 

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 

July 25, 2018 

Is there any doubt in your mind that Iran is still the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the 

world today? 

Answer: 

The Department of State has listed Iran as the number one state sponsor of terrorism 

since I 984. This is an annual determination made by the Department's Counterterrorism 

Bureau. Iran's ongoing support to Lebanese Hizballah, Palestinian terrorist groups in Gaza, Shia 

militias in Iraq, and Bahraini militants is confirmation of its status. Iran's continuing refusal to 

bring to justice AI Qaeda leaders purportedly in its custody further underlines its support for 

terrorism. Classified information could provide additional detail on Iran's activities relative to 

other state sponsors of terrorism. 

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Ellen McCarthy, Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research Nominee by 

Senator Tom Cotton (#3) 

Question: 

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July 25, 2018 

On Sunday evening, at the Reagan Library, Secretary Pompeo described how the Iranian security 

services are getting rich at the expense of the general population and that sanctions targeting the 

Iranian economy will not go-away while attacks like these continue. Do you agree with 

Secretary Pompeo? 

Answer: 

I agree with Secretary Pompeo's statements on the misappropriation of Iran's financial 

resources by corrupt Iranian elites, including the security services. One only needs to look at the 

vast inequality in Iran to observe how well-connected regime insiders profit at the expense of the 

Iranian people. Whether sanctions on Iran will continue is a question that is more appropriate for 

Administration policymakers to answer. 

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Ellen McCarthy, Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research Nominee by 

Senator Tom Cotton (#4) 

Question: 

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July 25, 2018 

What kind of response is required by the Gennans, Austrians, French, Belgians, and others so 

that Iranian realizes that this kind of state sanctioned terrorist behavior will not be tolerated? 

~: 

If confirmed as INR Assistant Secretary, I would fully support any efforts by State 

Department policymakers to engage these countries in common responses, including by 

facilitating the sharing of intelligence while protecting sources and methods. I cannot prescribe 

specific policy actions that should to be taken by these countries against Iran, but I hope that they 

will join our efforts to convince the Iranian regime that the world will not tolerate its continued 

support of terrorism. 

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Ellen McCarthy, Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research Nominee by 

Senator Susan Collins, 

Question: 

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July 25, 2018 

INR is much smaller than counterparts like CIA that conduct all source analysis. CIA, for 

example, used to have an entire office devoted to analysis on Iraq, while INR would have a team 

of analysts-at most---{;overing the same issue. How do you plan to staff INR and balance 

competing demands from senior State Department staff and the Intelligence Community? 

Answer: 

I understand that INR compensates for its relatively small size by leveraging its deep 

expertise (time on account is 17 years on average) and by creating virtual teams that bring 

together all of the analysts with expertise on a given priority subject. On Iraq, for instance, the 

bureau formed an "INR Team Iraq" with experts drawn from all ofiNR's 13 analytic offices, 

allowing INR to provide coverage on all key issues, including leadership, internal stability, 

foreign policy, economic and security issues, as well as WMD, proliferation issues and 

terrorism. If confirmed, I would build on INR's team approach to ensure INR has the agility to 

participate fully in all IC joint production and to provide the Secretary and the Department 

exceptional coverage on policy priorities. 

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