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### APPEARANCES : O nBehal f o f th e Respondent . Cit yo f Bridgeport . Connecticut : MARK T . ANASTASI , ESQ . Cit yAttorney , Cit yo f Bridgepor t 99 9 Broa d Street , 2"* ^ Floo r Bridgeport , Connecticu t 06604-432 8 (203 ) 576-808 2 (203 ) 576-825 2 (fax ) RICHARD G . KASCAK , JR. , ESQ . LIS AR . TRACHTENBURG , ESQ . Associat e Cit yAttorney s Offic e o f th e Cit yAttorne y 99 9 Broa d Street , 2''' ^ Floo r Bridgeport , Connecticu t 06604-432 8 

# r ^ O nBehal f o f th e Complainant , Federa l Aviatio n Administration : JOHNR . DONNELLY , ESQ . Offic e o f th e Regiona l Counsel , ANE- 7 Federa l Aviatio n Administratio n 1 2 Ne wEngland Executiv e Par k Burlington , Massachusett s 01803-529 9 (781 ) 238-704 5 ALS O PRESENT



# r ^ MICHE L HOVAN , Manager , Airpor t Safet y and Standard s Branch , Ne wEngland Region , FA

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### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G- S 10:0 4 a.m . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN ; Goo d morning , everyone . M ynam e i s Isaa c D . Benkin . I' mth e Administrativ e LawJudg e i n charg e o f conducting th e hearin g i n th e matte r o f th e Cit yo f Bridgeport , Connecticu t whic h i s FA ADocke t Numbe r CP09NE0001 . Thi s conferenc e cal l i s bein g stenographicall yrecorde d and afte r it' s over , th e reporte r wil l stayo nth e lin e and partie s wh o wan t t o purchas e a copyo f th e transcrip t ma ymak e arrangement s wit hhi mt o d o so .

M ypurpos e i n convening thi s conferenc e i s t o determin e wher e th e partie s stand wit hregar d t o thei r readines s t o mov e forwar d a t th e hearing whic hwil l b e hel d o n Jun e th e 1 0 t hi n th e Federa l Buildin g i n Bridgeport . Th e firs t itemo f busines s I wan t t o tak e u

p i s th e city' s motio nt o reconside r whic hth e FA

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yruling o n tha t motio nand afte r that , we'l l dea l wit hsome othe r items .

Thi s ruling wil l b e pu t i nth e for mo f a writte n orde r tha t wil l b e serve d o n al l partie s and i t read s a s follows :

Responden t ha s file d a motio n asking m e t o reconside r m yorde r o f Apri l 29th , 201 0 granting th e motio n o f th e Complainan t t o impos e sanction s o n th e Responden t fo r failur e t o respond t o discovery request s Th e Complainan t ha s file d an objectio nasking m e t o den yth e motion . Th e motio n mus t b e denied . Th e recor d show s tha t th e Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n serve d discovery request s consisting o f interrogatorie s and request s fo r productio no f document s upo n th e Responden t o n February12 , 2010 .

Th e 30-daydeadlin e fo r Responden t t o answe r thos e request s cam e and wen t and ther e wa s n o repl yfromth e Respondent .

The n counse l fo r th e FA Awrot e a

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### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 lette r t o counse l fo r th e Responden t Cit y

calling it s attentio n t o it s obligatio n t o respond t o th e pendin g discoveryand asking fo r a respons e b

yMarc h29 , 2010 . N o respons e wa s received .

A s a result , th e Complainan t file d
a motio nasking m e t o compe l th e cit yt o answe r it s discoveryrequest . Ther e wa s n o answe r t o tha t motio n b yth e Respondent . O n Apri l 15 , 2010 , I issue d an orde r compelling th e Responden t t o answe r th e motio no r submi t th e informatio nsough t byth e FA An o late r than Apri l 26 , 2010 . Again , th e cit ywa s no t hear d from .

Therefore , o n Apri l 29 , 2010 , I issue d a norde r imposing upo n th e cit yth e follo wsanction . I t wa s barre d from submitting case-in-chie f evidenc e o n th e issu e o f it s liabilit yduring th e hearing .

Now , some thre e month s afte r receip t o f Complainant' s interrogatorie s and reques t fo r documents , th e Responden t want s m e

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 t o overtur nthos e sanctio n and leav e i t scot t

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yconsequence s fo r it s persisten t disregar d o f th e procedura l rule s and m y orders . Thi s I wil l no t do .

Th e sanctio n wa s impose d afte r fai r warning . I t i s appropriat e t o th e offense . I nthat , a part ywh o ha s hidde nit s informatio nfro

m th e othe r canno t i n al l fairnes s b e permitte d t o uncloa k relevan t informatio no n th e ev e o f th e hearing .

Finally , I ca n think o f n o lesse r sanctio ntha t woul d b e appropriat e i n th e circumstance s and th e responden t ha s suggeste d
none . T o delayth e hearin g whic hha s bee n delaye d onc e befor e i s no t i nth e interes t o f eithe r o f th e parties .

Thi s hearin g i s th e resul t o f a n airfiel d inspectio n tha t too k plac e i n2008 , a yea r and a hal f ago . I f th e FA Ai s correc t i nit s allegations , th e airpor t a t issu e ha s bee nand continue s t o b e unsafe . Thus , th e quicke r th e matte r i s resolve d th e bette r of f

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e publi c wil l be . Ther e i s n o publi c

interes t i n continuing thi s cas e and lengthening th e perio d during whic hth e allege d unsaf e condition s a t Sikorsk yFiel d persist . Fo r thes e reasons , th e motio n t o reconside r i s denie d and tha t i s th e end o f m y order . I d o wan t t o poin t out , however . tha t i nth e city' s pleadin g signe d byMr . Kascak , h e indicate d tha t th e cit ywoul d lik e m e specificall yt o issu e a n orde r permittin g Respondent' s participatio n t o cros s examinatio no f witnesse s i n th e presentatio n o f evidenc e bearin g o nth e issu e o f th e amoun t o f th e civi l penalty .

MyApri l 2 9 orde r specificall y allow s th e cit yt o presen t evidence , case-in

chie f evidence , o nth e issu e o f th e amoun t o f th e civi l penalt yt o b e imposed . So , ther e i s n o reaso nt o reconside r th e orde r i n tha t respect .

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### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 So , I wan t t o - - and indee d th e

same orde r permit s th e cit yt o cros s examin e witnesse s tendere d b yth e FAA . So , there' s n o nee d t o chang e th e orde r i ntha t respect .

Finally , I wan t t o sa yon e thing and tha t i s i n m

yvie wevidenc e goin g t o th e motiv e o f th e FA Ai n instituting thi s proceedin g i s totall yirrelevan t and i s no t something I hav e jurisdictio nt o hear . Th e FA Adecide s wha t sanction s i t wishe s t o impos e and onl yi f i t choose s th e sanctio no f a civi l penalt yd o Administrativ e La wJudge s ge t involve d i nthes e case s and it' s bee nhel d many , manytime tha t w e hav e n o righ t t o tel l th e FA Atha t i t shoul d hav e writte n a lette r o f reprimand o r some suc hmino r sanctio n i n lie u o f instituting a civi l penalt ycase . So , I' mno t intereste d i n thei r motives .

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### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Aviatio nRegulations . Th e thir d issu e I' m intereste d i n i s i f Ms . Hyma nwa s correct , wha t i s th e appropriat e amoun t o f a civi l penalt ytha t shoul d flowfro

mthat . Now , having sai d that , Mr . Anastas i o r Mr . Kascak , I'l l hea r fromyo u a s t o anything you'v e go t t o say .

MR . ANASTASI : You r Honor , Mar k Anastasi , Cit yAttorney , Bridgeport .

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commen t and the n I wil l defe r t o Mr . Kasca k
an d - - ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : I' msorry . Mr . Kascak , fo r mispronouncin g you r name .

MR . KASCAK : That' s fine . You r Honor . MR . ANASTASI : I jus t didn' t wan t t o leav e un-responde d to . You r Honor , th e impressio nleft , and i t ma yb e mor e tha n a n impressio ni nyou r mind , tha t th e airpor t continue s t o b e unsafe .

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ma yb e determine d i n th e contex t o f thi s hearing , bu t w e a t leas t wante d t o indicat e tha t it' s ou r positio ntha t wha t violation s di d occu r an d th e issu e o f thei r occurrenc e appear s t o hav e bee ndetermine d a t thi s point . W e wan t t o b e ver yclea r an d w e inten d t o sho w an d w e believ e it' s relevan t o n th e issu e o f wha t a n appropriat e penalt yi s tha t the ywer e indee d rectifie d i n a promp t an d timel ymanne r onc e w e wer e cite d an d tha t the ycontinue d t o b e rectifie d wit hth e singl e exceptio no f th e issu e o f th e conditio no f th e pave d portio no f th e runway . Whic ha s I thin k al l partie s wil l agre e i s subjec t t o othe r processes , i.e. , pendin g litigatio ninvolvin g th e FAA , th e Tow n o f Stratford , th e Cit yo f Bridgepor t an d th e nee d t o relocat e a roadwa yi n th e Tow no f Stratfor d i n orde r t o fre e u p gran t monie s fro mth e Federa l Governmen t t o mak e tha t lon g ter mimprovemen t



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### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 demonstrating tha t eve ni n th e absenc e o f tha t

improvemen t w e hav e bee n sinc e th e dat e o f th e citatio ndiligentl ymovin g forwar d wit h regard s t o inspections , sweeping a s necessary , e t cetera . W e understand al l o f tha t i s th e subjec t fo r th e hearing i nterm s o f wha t migh t b e a nappropriat e penalty , bu t I simpl ydi d
no t wan t t o leav e i t un-responde d t o sinc e ther e i s going t o b e a recor d here . It' s our positio ntha t w e reacte d appropriatel yand tha t ther e i s no t a situatio n tha t th e publi c shoul d b e concerne d abou t a t leas t no t a s occasione d b

yanything withi nou r unilatera l control . Wit htha t said . You r Honor , I woul d defe r t o Mr . Kasca k i nterm s o f whethe r yo u believ e no wmigh t b e th e appropriat e time t o discus s on e o f th e element s yo u aske d u s t o b e prepare d todayo nan d tha t i s th e statu s o f
an ysettlemen t negotiations , bu t obviously , i f yo u think that' s premature , I wil l ceas e m y

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### 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 commen t and le t Attorne yDonnell yspeak . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Well , I understand wha t you'r e saying and it' s specificall ym

yruling tha t th e exten t t o whic hth e condition s tha t th e inspectio n foun d rende r th e fiel d hazardous , unsaf e i f yo u will . That' s relevan t t o th e amoun t o f th e sanction . So , yo u - -

MR . ANASTASI : I understand . You r Honor . I wa s simpl y- - and i f yo u disagre e wit hme , I woul d obviousl yrespec t that , bu t
m yreading o f you r orde r i s tha t sinc e yo u ar e ope nt o argumen t and evidenc e o n th e issu e o f wha t i s a nappropriat e sanction , tha t on e elemen t o f proo f i nwha t a nappropriat e sanctio nwoul d rightl yb e th e Respondent' s reactio nand cur e methodologie s and ho w diligen t and comprehensiv e and attentiv e w e wer e t o i t onc e pointe d out . W e understand that' s sor t o f a n equitabl e remediatio n argiiment , bu t it' s one , unles s yo u orde r otherwise , w e woul d wan t t o mak e par t o f th e

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wh yth e particula r monetar ypenalt yi s excessiv e unde r al l th e fact s an d circumstances .

I f I' mwron g i nou r abilit yt o produc e tha t evidence , obviously , I woul d defe r t o you r ruling .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : I agre e wit h yo u o ntha t subject .

MR . ANASTASI : Than k you . You r Honor . MR . KASCAK : Judge , ma yI jus t addres s th e issu e o f th e mod e o f evidenc e yo u discussed . I s i t ma yunderstandin g fro myou r rulin g toda ytha t evidenc e o f th e pas t histor y befor e th e citation s an d histor ysinc e th e citation s ar e of f limit s a t thi s hearing ?

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FA AInspecto r Ms . Hyman , a s I understand he r nam e is , foun

d whe nsh e performe d thi s inspection , whethe r sh e accuratel yrelate d themand numbe r two , whethe r theyamoun t t o a violatio no f th e Federa l Aviatio n Regulations . Which , o f course , it' s th e FAA' s positio n thos e regulation s incorporat e byreferenc e you r ACM , you r Airpor t Certificatio nManual .

And the n th e fina l issu e i s assuming th e FA

Aha s pu t o n a prima faci e cas e tha t yo u violate d thei r regulations , ho wmuc h shoul d i t cos t you ?

That' s wha t we'r e going t o hear . Th e argumen t tha t th e FA Ai s instituting thi s cas e becaus e they'v e go t some agend a othe r thanpubli c safet yi s irrelevan t a s fa r a s I' m concerned . We'r e no t her e t o tryth e FAA' s goo d - - we'r e her e t o tryth e questio n whethe r th e cit yi s i n violatio no f th e FARs .

Okay . D o yo u full yunderstand wha t I' mtelling you , Mr . Kascak ?

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### 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . KASCAK : Again , You r Honor ,

Richar d Kasca k fo r th e record .

Th e on e thing I' mconcerne d abou t i s suppos e th e pas t historyi s a componen t o f th e penalt ycalculation . D o w e ge t t o addres s that . You r Honor ?

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : You'r e going t o hav e - - that' s a prett yattenuate d piec e o f reasoning and you'r e going t o hav e t o spel l i t
ou t fo r me . MR . ANASTASI : You r Honor , Mark ,

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : smar t enought o understand tha t I' mno t

MR . KASCAK : Well , You r Honor , shal l I d o i t no wo r woul d I d o i t a t th e hearing ? ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Yes , yo u wan t t o tel l m e wh yyo u ca n hav e dangerou s rut s i nyou r field ? Wa s i t becaus e o f something tha t happene d i n th e past ? Mayb e a glacie r came down and cause d them .

MR . KASCAK : Well , no . You r Honor ,
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witnes s an d evidenc e lis t an d ther e i s referenc e t o a pas t histor yo f violations .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Oh , a pas t histor yo f violation s - -

MR . KASCAK : Yes . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : —is , o f
course , on e o f th e thing s w e loo k a t i n determinin g th e amoun t o f th e penalty . Yes , yo u ca ndea l wit hthat .

MR . KASCAK : Well , You r Honor , wouldn' t tha t b e mod e o f evidence ?

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Mod e o f evidence ? No .

MR . KASCAK : No . Okay . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Th e questio n i s di d yo u commi t th e pas t violatio no r didn' t yo u an d we'r e no t goin g t o retr yi t ove r again . I mea nth e FAA' s goin g t o com e i nwit h thei r record s an d thei r record s wil l sho wsom e prio r inspection s an d I presioin e som e prio r violations .

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### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . KASCAK : Well , the nagain .

You r Hono r -

- ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Now , yo u wan t t o MR . KASCAK : Richar d Kasca k agai n fo r th e record .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : We'r e no t going t o tr

ytha t questio n again . MR . KASCAK : Well , i n ou r case , I assume d tha t w e woul d b e abl e t o presen t evidenc e o f historysinc e th e violation . I assume . You r Honor .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : I f yo u wan t t o prov e - - no , wha t yo u hav e t o d o i s prov e tha t yo u fixe d thes e problem s rathe r rapidly .

MR . ANASTAS I You r Honor , Mar k Anastas i Myunderstanding o f wha t yo u ha d previousl yindicate d earlie r i n thi s conversatio n i nrespons e t o m yinitia l statemen t wa s tha t yo u concurre d tha t evidenc e o f remediatio n wa s appropriat e and relevan t t o

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e issu e o f th e penalty . I t ma yno t b e

dispositiv e i nyou r mind , bu t it' s admissible . So , I' massumin g you'r e jus t confirmin g tha t
now . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN ; It' s admissible . Yes , sir .

MR . ANASTASI : Than k you . MR . KASCAK : Sorry , You r Hono r
wa s confused . I apologize .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN ; Th e Administrato r ha s rule d i nmany , man ycase s tha t on e o f th e thing s w e loo k t o is , fo r example , i na cas e wher e there' s - - a s i nthi s case , there' s a nallegatio ntha t peopl e wer e no t adequatel ytrained . Whethe r a s soo na s tha t wa s calle d t o you r attentio nyo u go t th e trainin g fo r them .

MR . ANASTASI : Than k you . You r Honor .

Honor . MR . KASCAK ; Than k you , You r

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Okay . Okay .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 I nee d t o tal k t o Mr . Donnelly . Mr , Donnelly ,

ar e yo u there ?

MR . DONNELLY : Yes , Judge , goo d morning , ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Goo d morning . I'v e looke d throug hth e materia l tha t yo u hav e submitte d an d yo u loo k lik e you'r e fairl ywel l prepare d fo r you r case .

Th e on e thin g I didn' t fin d i n ther e i s a cop yo f th e FAA' s regulatio no n sanctions . Ar e yo u goin g t o offe r that ?

MR . DONNELLY : Yes , Judge , we'l l offe r tha t a t hearing . I ca nsubmi t - -

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Okay . Jus t b e sur e yo u sen d a cop yo f i t t o th e Respondent . MR . DONNELLY : I wil l d o that . Judge . I anticipate d askin g th e Cour t t o tak e judicia l notic e an d I wa s goin g t o hav e testimon ythroug hInspecto r Dragonas . That' s formall yLauri e Hyman . She' s bee nmarrie d sinc e thes e proceeding s too k place . So , he r

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ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : I' msorry . I go t i t backwards . I though t he r marrie d
nam e wa s Hyman . Okay . Fine .

MR . DONNELLY : Judge , I d o hav e a coupl e o f thing s i nrespons e wheneve r you'r e ready . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Pas s m y apologie s t o her ,

MR . DONNELLY : I wil l d o that . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : An d m y congratulations .

On e fina l questio nI hav e fo r bot h counsel . Yo u ca nstar t of f o nthis . Ho wlon g d o yo u anticipat e thi s hearin g wil l last ?

MR . DONNELLY : Judge , i s tha t fo r Attorne yDonnelly ?

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Yes . MR . DONNELLY : I' msorry . couldn' t hear . I woul d anticipat e tha t w e woul d conclud e withi non e day .

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an d I don' t thin k tha t wa s you r intent .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : No , tha t wasn't . No , tha t wa s no t m yintent .

MR . ANASTAS I Oftentimes , You r Honor , we'r e experience d i n Federa l cour t wher e yo u g o i n o n a n injunctio nhearing , fo r instance , an d th e judg e wil l tel l yo u u p fron t I'v e go t fou r hour s fo r this , th e movin g party' s go t tw o an d a hal f hour s an d you'v e go t a n hou r an d a hal f t o respon d a t th e en d
o f whic hI' mrulin g an d I simpl ywante d t o mak e sur e w e weren' t walkin g int o tha t scenario .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Oh , no ,

you'r e not . We , Administrativ e La wJudges , ar e pussycat s compare d t o thos e guy s an d gal s wit hlifetim e appointments .
agenda . Okay . That' s th e en d o f m y

MR . ANASTASI : You r Honor , again . Mar k Anastasi . Ca nI jus t addres s on e poin t tha t ha s raise d som e concer no nou r en d o f thi s - -
please . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Addres s

MR . ANASTASI : I notic e an d I ma y hav e writte ni t dow nwrong , bu t earlie r i n you r ruling , I hear d som e languag e tha t i f I wrot e i t correctl yspok e i nterm s o f th e airpor t havin g bee nan d continuin g t o unsafe . I simpl ywan t t o mak e certai ntha t ther e i s n o inten t i nyou r orde r t o b e makin g eithe r a factua l findin g o r a conclusio nt o tha t affect . Because , respectfully , I didn' t thin k tha t wa s th e appropriat e plac e fo r suc ha

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 finding . I didn' t thin k yo u rulin g o nou r

motio nwa s intende d t o mak e tha t findin g an d
suc ha findin g coul d clearl yhav e consequence s bot hi nterm s o f publi c perceptio nan d busines s relationship s a t th e airpor t an d liabilit yconcern s a s well .

So , I' mhopefu l tha t there' s no t goin g t o b e anythin g i nyou r orde r tha t make s
a findin g an d certainl yno t withou t a hearin g i nan yrecor d tha t th e airpor t i s o r continue s t o b e unsafe .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Well , wha t I sai d wa s i f th e - - I sai d a s follows . I f th e FAAi s correc t i nit s allegations , th e airpor t
a t issu e ha s bee nan d continue s t o b e unsafe .

MS . TRACHTENBURG : You r Honor , i f I ma yplease . Thi s i s Lis a Trachtenburg , Associat e Cit yAttorne yfo r th e Cit yo f Bridgepor t an d - -

ADMI N JUDG E BENKI N Trachtenburg , le t m e finish .

MS . TRACHTENBURG : Okay .

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### 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : The nwe'l l

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Th e FA Aha s n o busines s telling anybod yt o d o anything excep t i nth e interest s o f safety . It' s no t a n economi c regulatory agency , So , th e hypothesi s I'v e go t t o g o o ni ndeciding whethe r t o delaythi s hearin g i s t o assume fo r th e purpose s o f argument , a s lawyer s consistentl yd o and some o f themeve n sa yi t i nLatin , tha t th e FA Ai s correc t i n it s allegations .

Now , that' s jus t grante d fo r th e purpos e o f argument . I' mno t makin g an y finding tha t th e airpor t i s unsafe .

Wha t I' mmakin g i s a determinatio n tha t it' s no t i nth e publi c interes t t o pu t thi s hearing of f fo r an yextende d perio d o f time . MR . ANASTASI : You r Honor , Mar k Anastas i again . I certainl yappreciat e th e clarification ,
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 I woul d not e fo r wha t it' s wort h

jus t i n term s o f th e necessity , timing and th e questio no f whethe r o r no t i t make s an ysens e t o frankl yallo wsettlemen t discussion s dependen t upo nAttorne yDonnelly' s perceptio n o f thos e discussion s t o proceed .

I woul d not e tha t th e propose d orde r o r th e sanction s impose d byth e FA Aar e purel ymonetary . Ther e i s nothin g i n ther e tha t order s u s a t thi s junctio nt o tak e an y emergenc yremediatoryaction .

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Afeel s tha t th e sanction s ar e appropriat e i n orde r t o perhap s preclud e futur e violations , bu t tha t they'r e no t sitting concerne d a s w e spea k todaytha t w e nee d a n orde r compelling th e cit yt o pay $77,00 0 and tha t someho wtha t wa s goin g t o mak e th e airpor t safe r i n term s o f ongoing violations . So , I jus t wante d t o pu t tha t ou t there . It' s no t a questio n o f tha t we'r e

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t o mak e th e airpor t safer .

So , I thro wtha t ou t ther e onl y becaus e I don' t believ e tha t th e timing o f th e hearin g i s necessaril ybein g drive n bya nee d t o "mak e th e airpor t safer. " A t leas t no t i n th e shor t run .

I understand th e FAA' s long-term goa l and obligatio nt o appropriatel ymonitor , inspec t and introduc e sanction s i n orde r t o entic e and induc e operator s t o operat e saf e airports , bu t I jus t loo k a t th e sanction s sough t her e and it' s no t a pullin g o f a certificat e o f engaging i nimmediat e constructio n wor k o r otherwis e bringin g i n traine d personnel .

So , again , I' mrepeatin g myself , bu t I jus t wante d t o poin t tha t out . Thank you . MR . DONNELLY : Judge , thi s i s Attorne yDonnelly , I hav e a coupl e o f thing s befor e w e conclud e thi s hearing .
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Okay . Th e

othe r subjec t that' s o n m ylis t i s settlement . I alway s encourag e peopl e t o settl e thes e case s basicall ybecaus e o f two reasons .

Firs t o f all , yo u avoi d th e expens e o f a hearing .

Th e second reaso n i s a littl e mor e subtle . Th e fac t i s yo u peopl e hav e t o live wit heac hothe r and going througha conteste d hearin g i s no t a goo d wa yfo r everybod yt o b e goo d friends .

So , yo u know , th e FA Aisn' t going t o g o awayand neithe r i s Sikorsk yMemoria l Airport . So , yo u probabl ybot hwoul d b e wel l advise d t o wor k a s har d a s yo u ca n t o arriv e a t a settlement .

Tha t having bee n sai d I don' t wan t t o kno wwha t you r settlemen t position s ar e and al l I wan t t o kno wi s i f yo u hav e settle d the case , pleas e tryand le t m yoffic e kno wbefor e theypu t m e o nan airplan e and shi p m e u p t o Bridgepor t becaus e the n i t cost s th e taxpayer s

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 a lo t o f mone yan d it' s al l fo r nothing . Al l right . Mr . Donnelly , th e floo r i s yours .

MR . DONNELLY : Than k you . Judge . I wa s hopin g fo r a chanc e t o ge t a coupl e o f word s in . I didn' t realiz e I wa s goin g t o b e tripl e teame d today . I hop e we'r e no t facin g thre e attorney s a t th e hearin g becaus e the ni t
ma yarguabl yg o int o a t leas t tw o days .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Ama no f you r abilit yca ntak e o nthre e o r 30 0 attorneys . I hav e ever yconfidenc e i nyou .

MR . DONNELLY : Than k you . Judge . A t th e outset , I woul d respectfull ypoin t ou t tha t th e FAAdi d fil e a motio nfo r a decisio n o nMa y11 , 201 0 an d I woul d reques t a rulin g o nthat . I believ e tha t we'r e entitle d t o
summar yjudgmen t an d tha t woul d alleviat e th e necessit yfo r al l thes e resource s a t a hearing . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Well , fro m wha t I'v e heard , it' s unlikel yI ca n fin d tha t

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m yfil e yet .

MR . DONNELLY : Judge , I ca n fa x yo u anothe r cop ytoday . W e sen t i t b yFedE x an d facsimil e o n Ma y11 , 2010 .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Now , yes , sen d m e anothe r cop yan d I'l l sca nth e Docke t Section' s compute r an d se e i f the yhav e it .

MR . DONNELLY : Okay . An d wit h regar d t o Attorne yAnastasi , a coupl e o f thing s h e sai d I woul d lik e t o respon d to .

Initially , th e cit yaccordin g t o hi mintend s t o sho wtha t they'v e rectifie d certai nmatters . Whil e th e FAAappreciate s that , ou r expecte d nor mfo r an ycertificat e holde r i s a violation-fre e history .

So , ou r positio no r respons e t o tha t woul d b e i t appear s the ntha t thi s enforcemen t proceedin g ha s ha d th e intende d th e resul t o f havin g th e cit yrectif ythei r deficiencies .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Next , wit hregar d t o th e runway

and Federa l gran t monie s rebuildin g th e runway , that' s irrelevan t t o th e presen t proceedings . APar t 13 9 certificat e holde r i s responsibl e fo r complianc e wit hPar t 13 9 including th e conditio no f th e runwaywit ho r withou t Federa l gran t monies . So , theyshoul d hav e th e financia l wherewitha l themselve s t o maintai ntha t runway . The ycan' t jus t expec t th e Federa l agencie s t o provid e gran t monies . Although , tha t ma yo r ma yno t happen . That' s irrelevan t t o th e presen t proceeding .

Thi s proceedin g deal s wit ha n airpor t inspectio nand evidenc e provin g violation s o f Par t 139 .

ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Okay . I s tha t it , Mr . Donnelly ?

MR . DONNELLY : On e othe r thing , yes , I appreciat e Attorne yAnastas i trying t o mak e m yargument s o r mak e th e FAA' s argument s wit hregar d t o potentia l fo r certificat e action .

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th e FA Agoe s ou t tomorro wand inspect s tha t airpor t and it' s no t i ncomplianc e wit hPar t 139 , w e reserve , o f course , th e righ t t o tak e an yappropriat e actio nwhethe r i t b e civi l penalt yo r certificat e actio n througha suspensio no r a revocation .

And that' s al l I have . Judge . Thank you . ADMIN . JUDG E BENKIN : Okay . Well , thi s seem s t o b e th e end o f ou r pre-hearin g conferenc e Onc e again , keep m e appris e o f wher e yo u ar e i nsettlemen t discussions . I think tha t thi s i s a cas e tha t ough t t o b e settled , bu t I can' t forc e yo u t o d o tha t and i f yo u can't , yo u know , I'l l mak e a decisio n and tha t decisio n wil l b e appealabl e t o th e Federa l Aviatio n Administrato r and hi s o r he r decisio nwil l b e appealabl e t o th e appropriat e Unite d State s Cour t o f Appeals .

Tha t having bee nsaid , i s ther e

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yproposa l t o hi s superior s and solici t thei r view s o nit . So , yo u know , thi s thing doesn' t settl e lik e a nautomobil e intersectio ncase . Alo t o f peopl e hav e t o sa ygrac e ove r it .

Tha t havin g bee n said , I wil l declar e thi s pre-hearin g conferenc e conclude d wit hm ythank s fo r you r time and you r attention . (Whereupon , th e pre-hearin g conferenc e wa s conclude d a t 10:4 3 a.m. )

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