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MEETIN G SUMMAR

Y THIR D WEPC O LITIGANT S MEETING NE W SOURC

E REVIE W REFOR

M December

8, 1998 The meetin g wa s hel d vi aatelephon e conference . Th e meetin g bega n a t approximatel y 10:0 0 a man d close d a t approximatel

y 10:45 am . Attache d i s alis t o f attendees . Lydi aWegma

n opened the meeting by askin g th e litigant s i f ther e wa s an y ne w developmen

t on their en d fromtw o weeks ago , i.e. , if the y ha d an y ne w idea s regardin g NS R fo

r new units , presumptiv e BACT , grandfathering o f unit s etc . Sh

e als o asked wha

t th e nex t step s wer e in thi s process , an

d wha t proces s t o us e fo r furthe r discussion . Chuc

k Knauss , representin g th e litigants , sai d tha

t the y ha d take n ahar d loo k a t th e issue s o

n han d an d ar e intereste d i n pursuin g furthe

r discussion s in th e first

quarte r o f 1999 . He indicate d tha

t the y wil l discus s matter s amongs t

themselve s ove

r the nex t tw o weeks , an

d suggeste d tha

t aface-to-fac e meetin g b e hel d in th e second o

r thir d wee k o f January , 1999 . He welcomed an y suggestion s fromEP

A regardin g th e proces s t

o us e fo r furthe r discussions . Bil l Lewi s an

d Henr y Nickel indicate d tha

t the y supporte d the extensio n o f th e deadlin e * t o allo w fo r furthe r discussions . Whe

n asked by Bruc e Buckheit

whethe r th e extensio n wa s fo

r discussion s abou

t grandfathering o

r fo r "outside th e box " discussions , Mr . Nicke l sai d i t wa s fo r both . Whe

n aske d by Mr . Buckheit

whethe r peopl e wer

e willin g to ente

r th e notio n o f

PS D into th e discussio n arena , Mr . Nicke l said yes . Mr . Nicke l als o sai d tha t i n th e en d they wante d a syste mtha t worke d fo r bot h ne w an d ol d units , an d tha t the y wer e focussing o n th e end s rather tha n th e means . He agreed wit h the en d o f grandfathering , but

wa s unsur e o f th e metho d o f doin g thi s fo

r th e existin g units . Davi d Hawkin s o f

NRD C was no

t availabl e fo

r thi s call . Whe

n aske d by th e litigant s abou t Mr . Hawkins , Ms . Wegma n indicate d tha

t Mr . Hawkin s wa s in apositiv e frame o f min d an d tha t h e shoul d b e willin g to discus s more . She als o sai d tha t they (EPA/OAQPS ) hav e t o tak e th e concep t

to EP A managemen

t an d determin e wha

t proces s t o follo w befor

e discussin g specifics . Sh

e solicite d comment s fro

mth e industr

y o n th e proces s t

o us e fo r discussions . Sh

e expresse d aconcer

n tha t EP A di d no t wan t to wast e an y time , an d tha t EP A wil l hol d th e refor

m packag e onl

y i f ther e wil l b e mor

e discussions . Therefore , sh e recommende d tha

t there b e a t leas t one face-to-fac e meetin g i n Januar y an d on e in Februar

y to for maconsensus . Mr . Buckhei t expresse d management' s concer n tha t EP A doe s no t

wan t to stra y fro mth e process , an

d stresse d th e importanc e o f

havin g something "concrete " by Fal l o f 1999 . Th e litigant s agree d an d indicate d the y wer

e committe d to it , wer

e willin g to devot

e alo t o f resources , an

d suggeste d 1- , 2

- o r 3-da y meeting s wit

h breakou t sessions . The industr

y participant s indicate d tha t i t i s importan

t to draf t som e lega l regulator y languag e rathe

r tha n onl y depend o

n verba l agreements . Ann aWoo

d indicate d tha

t th e issu e o f proces s and time i s important .P. 3

Ms . Wegma

n moved t o expand th e grou

p o f participant s to include th e FLM's , th e plan t manager s wh

o dea l wit h th e NS R regularly , an

d othe r industr y representative s wh o ar

e no t apar t o f th e WEPC O litigant s group . Tamm y Wyle s sai d tha

t whil e i t wa s importan

t to includ e al l stakeholders , th e numbe

r o f representative s shoul d b e limite d to kee p i t simple . Alexandr aDun

n supporte d involvin g aplan

t perso n i n thes e discussions . Ms . Wegma n aske d whether

th e • Conferenc e o f

Mayor s should b e involved . Ms . Wegma

n suggeste d tha

t th e industr

y shoul d nominat

e arepresentativ e fro

meac h industr y an d should tr y t o ge t othe r industrie s involved . Sh

e suggeste d on

e representativ e and one lawye r fo r eac h industr y sector . Sh

e als o suggeste d that , fo

r th e meetin g to b e mor

e productive , th e industr

y ma y wis h to talk

to FL M an d Stat e permittin g agencie s separatel y prio r to meetin g wit

h EPA . Whe

n th e industr

y participant s supporte d th e idea , Ms . Wegma n suggeste d tha

t the y tal k to Christin e Shave

r an d Mr . Hawkins . Th e date s o f Januar y 2 0 and 2 1 wer

e tentativel y decide d fo

r a1 Y. - t o 2-da y face-to-fac e meeting . Whe

n asked b y David Solomo n abou

t th e Federa

l Advisor y Committ

e Ac t (FACA ) requirements , Ms . Wegma

n suggeste d usin g th e auspice s o f th e Ai r Toxic s Advisor

y Sub-Committe e o f

th e Clea n Ai r Act Advisor y Committee . Th

e industr y representative s requeste d alis t

o f th e committe e members . Ms . Wegma n agreed t o fa x th e lis t t o th e WEPC O litigants . Ms . Wegma

n asked wh

o th e meetin g participant s would be , an d aske d th e industr

y representative s to le t

EP A kno w i f they woul d lik

e an y particula r FLM' s o r State s t o b e presen t a t th e meeting . Th

e industr y participant s agree d to prepar e alis t an d fa x i t to Ms . Wegman . Mr . Buckhei t

agreed t o hel p wit h preparin g th e meetin g agenda . Whe n aske d b y Ms . Wegman , th e industr y representative s di d no t

indicat e an y proble mwit h holdin g th e meetin g in either Washington , D C o

r Research Triangl e Park , Nort h Carolina . Ms . Wegma

n sai d tha t she wil l infor mth e industr

y participant s when th e venu e i s finalized an d if ther e i s an y chang e i n th e meetin g dates . Ms . Wyle s aske d wha

t th e purpos e o f

th e Januar y meetin g woul d be , an d suggeste d that a conferenc e cal l shoul d b e hel d earlie r to discus s logistics , participants , proces s etc . Ms . Wegma n suggeste d tha

t th e Januar

y meetin g shoul d b e aworkgrou p sessio n an

d agree d tha

t aconferenc e cal l b e hel d in th e first

wee k o f January . The dat

e o f Januar y 7,199 9 wa s decide d fo

r a2-hou r conferenc e cal l from1 0 a

mt o 1 2 noo n a

t th e sam e telephon e numbe

r a s thi s conferenc e call . Th e meetin g wa s then adjourned .



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ATTENDEE S THIR D WEPC O LITIGANT S MEETING NE W SOURC

E REVIE W REFOR

M December

8, 1998

Name Chuc k Knaus s Michae l Bar r Henr y Nicke l Bil l Lewi s Lesli e Ritt s Joh n Rees e Bett y Cox Bil l Pedersen Tamm y Wyle s Alexandr aDun n Lydi aWegma

n Kare n Blanchar

d Denni s Crumple

r Davi d Solomo n Mik e Sewell Da n DeRoeck Greg Foot e Le aAnderso n Jo n Devin e Bruc e Buckhei t Ann aWoo d Mala y Jinda l Valeri e Everett

e Affiliatio n

Swidle r & Berli n Pillsbury , Madison & Sutr

o Hunto n & William s Morgan , Lewi s & Bockiu s Hoga n & Hartso n AP I AP I Shaw , Pittman , Pott s & Trowbridg e Georgi aPacific/AF&P

A CM A EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OG C EPA/OG C EPA/OG C EPA/OECA/AE

D EPA/OAR/OPA

R PE S (EP A Contractor

) PE S (EP A Contractor

) Telephon e No . (202 ) 424-764 4 (415)983-115 1 (202)955-156 1 (202 ) 467-714 5 (202 ) 637-657 3 (202 ) 682-827 3 (202 ) 682-825 0 (202)663-885 2 (404 ) 652-728 1 (703)741-516 5 (919)541-550 5 (919)541-550 3 (919)541-087 1 (919)541-537 5 (919)541-087 3 (919)541-559 3 (202 ) 260-762 0 (202 ) 260-834 7 (202 ) 260-698 4 (202 ) 564-226 0 (202 ) 260-877 2 (919)941-033 3 (919 ) 941-033 3 

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