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[House Hearing, 107 Congress]
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                                HEARING

                               before the

                SUBCOMMITTEE ON SELECT REVENUE MEASURES

                                 of the

                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                      ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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                             JUNE 25, 2002

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                           Serial No. 107-75

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                      COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS

                   BILL THOMAS, California, Chairman

PHILIP M. CRANE, Illinois            CHARLES B. RANGEL, New York
E. CLAY SHAW, Jr., Florida           FORTNEY PETE STARK, California
NANCY L. JOHNSON, Connecticut        ROBERT T. MATSUI, California
AMO HOUGHTON, New York               WILLIAM J. COYNE, Pennsylvania
WALLY HERGER, California             SANDER M. LEVIN, Michigan
JIM McCRERY, Louisiana               BENJAMIN L. CARDIN, Maryland
DAVE CAMP, Michigan                  JIM McDERMOTT, Washington
JIM RAMSTAD, Minnesota               GERALD D. KLECZKA, Wisconsin
JIM NUSSLE, Iowa                     JOHN LEWIS, Georgia
SAM JOHNSON, Texas                   RICHARD E. NEAL, Massachusetts
JENNIFER DUNN, Washington            MICHAEL R. McNULTY, New York
MAC COLLINS, Georgia                 WILLIAM J. JEFFERSON, Louisiana
ROB PORTMAN, Ohio                    JOHN S. TANNER, Tennessee
PHIL ENGLISH, Pennsylvania           XAVIER BECERRA, California
WES WATKINS, Oklahoma                KAREN L. THURMAN, Florida
J.D. HAYWORTH, Arizona               LLOYD DOGGETT, Texas
JERRY WELLER, Illinois               EARL POMEROY, North Dakota
KENNY C. HULSHOF, Missouri
SCOTT McINNIS, Colorado
RON LEWIS, Kentucky
MARK FOLEY, Florida
KEVIN BRADY, Texas
PAUL RYAN, Wisconsin

                     Allison Giles, Chief of Staff
                  Janice Mays, Minority Chief Counsel

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                Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures

                    JIM McCRERY, New York, Chairman

J.D. HAYWORTH, Arizona               MICHAEL R. McNULTY, New York
JERRY WELLER, Illinois               RICHARD E. NEAL, Massachusetts
RON LEWIS, Kentucky                  WILLIAM J. JEFFERSON, Louisiana
MARK FOLEY, Florida                  JOHN S. TANNER, Tennessee
KEVIN BRADY, Texas
PAUL RYAN, Wisconsin

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Advisory of June 18, 2002, announcing the hearing................     2

                               WITNESSES

Connecticut Attorney General's Office, Hon. Richard Blumenthal...    46
Johnson, Hon. Nancy L., a Representative in Congress from the 
  State of Connecticut...........................................    15
McInnis, Hon. Scott, a Representative in Congress from the State 
  of Colorado....................................................    24
Maloney, Hon. James H., a Representative in Congress from the 
  State of Connecticut...........................................    27
Neal, Hon. Richard E., a Representative in Congress from the 
  State of Massachusetts.........................................    17
Salch, Steven C., Fulbright & Jaworski L.L.P.....................    41

                       SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD

American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, Pamela J. 
  Pecarich, letter...............................................    67
Doggett, Hon. Lloyd, a Representative in Congress from the State 
  of Texas, statement and attachment.............................     5
Ingersoll-Rand, Hamilton, Bermuda, statement.....................    70
Moorehead, Donald V., and Aubrey A. Rothrock III, Patton Boggs 
  LLP, statement.................................................    72
Thompson, Samuel C., Jr., University of Miami School of Law, 
  Coral Gables, FL, statement....................................     7
Western Shower Door, Inc., Fremont, CA, Craig McCarty, letter....    73

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                         TUESDAY, JUNE 25, 2002

                  House of Representatives,
                       Committee on Ways and Means,
                   Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures,
                                                    Washington, DC.

    The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 3:23 p.m., in 
room 1100 Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Jim McCrery 
(Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.
    [The advisory announcing the hearing follows:]

ADVISORY

FROM THE COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS

                SUBCOMMITTEE ON SELECT REVENUE MEASURES

                                                CONTACT: (202) 225-7601
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 18, 2002
No. SRM-8

                      McCrery Announces Hearing on

                          Corporate Inversions

    Congressman Jim McCrery (R-LA), Chairman, Subcommittee on Select 
Revenue Measures of the Committee on Ways and Means, today announced 
that the Subcommittee will hold a hearing on Corporate Inversions. The 
hearing will take place on Tuesday, June 25, 2002, in the main 
Committee hearing room, 1100 Longworth House Office Building, beginning 
at 3:00 p.m.

    In view of the limited time available to hear witnesses, oral 
testimony at this hearing will be from invited witnesses only. However, 
any individual or organization not scheduled for an oral appearance may 
submit a written statement for consideration by the Committee and for 
inclusion in the printed record of the hearing.

BACKGROUND:

    As noted in announcing the full Committee hearing of June 6, 2002, 
in recent months several corporations have either changed their 
principal place of incorporation to a foreign country or announced 
their intention to do so. On May 17, 2002, the U.S. Department of the 
Treasury released its Preliminary Report on Inversion Transactions that 
sets out the mechanics of and reasons for U.S. companies to undertake 
these transactions. The report also highlights the disadvantages that 
the U.S. Tax Code imposes on U.S. companies as compared to their 
foreign competitors.

    In announcing the hearing, Chairman McCrery stated, ``Some say 
inversions are a problem which must be stopped. Others say they are a 
symptom of a greater problem with our international tax rules. The 
Subcommittee hearing will give Members an opportunity to learn more 
about this complex problem and the consequences of proposed remedies.''

FOCUS OF THE HEARING:

    The focus of this hearing is to build upon the full Committee 
hearing and further examine the mechanics of inversion transactions and 
examine policy options that will deter inversions and enhance U.S. 
international competition.

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    Chairman McCRERY. The hearing will come to order. Our 
guests will take their seats.
    Good afternoon, everyone. Today the Select Revenue Measures 
Subcommittee continues its examination of the impact of the Tax 
Code on the competitiveness of American businesses. The first 
three hearings looked at possible responses to the World Trade 
Organization's decision in the Foreign Sales Corporation/
Extraterritorial Income Exclusion Act (FSC/ETI) dispute. This 
hearing will examine the practice known as inversions, whereby 
some companies move their legal residence from the United 
States to another country, usually a low-tax or no-tax 
jurisdiction.
    Let me begin by making clear what I said to Mr. Neal and 
others during House debate last week. I agree inversions are a 
problem. I agree there is something wrong with a Tax Code which 
allows American companies to reduce their taxes by moving their 
nominal residence to another country, and I agree that 
legislation to address this problem is something this Congress 
should, and I believe will, take up.
    Let me also make clear that my support for legislation to 
tackle the issue of inversions is not an endorsement of any of 
the bills which have been introduced to this point. This 
hearing will give us a chance to evaluate the strengths and 
weaknesses of current proposals and examine whether other more 
comprehensive approaches are necessary.
    Inversions are not a new phenomenon. In fact, the first 
inversion to attract significant attention involved a Louisiana 
company back in 1983. Preventive legislation was enacted in 
response to that.
    A decade later, Helen of Troy inverted in a differently 
structured transaction. The Internal Revenue Service responded 
swiftly with new regulations.
    Now, two decades after inversions first gained public 
attention, they are back in the spotlight. The outcry from the 
press and the public has prompted legislators to introduce a 
slew of proposals to put a finger in the inversion dike.
    Inversions are motivated by two types of tax savings. 
First, the inverted company generally structures its affairs so 
as to avoid U.S. tax on its global income, thereby getting 
around our worldwide tax system. This has sometimes been 
referred to as ``self-help territoriality.''
    Second, and perhaps even more concerning, inverted 
companies have engaged in a practice known as interest 
stripping to reduce U.S. taxes on U.S. income. This occurs when 
the parent loans money to the U.S. subsidiary. The interest 
payments made to the parent or other foreign affiliate are 
deducted from a subsidiary's income, thereby reducing taxable 
U.S. income. The payments received by the parent are either not 
considered taxable income or are subject to a very low rate of 
taxation.
    Combined, these incentives provide significant tax savings 
to inverting companies but erode our U.S. tax base. They also 
point out the danger of narrow legislative solutions. Just as 
water will find another way through or over the dike, 
legislation which leaves in place these incentives but only 
places them further out of reach encourages clever tax 
professionals to respond by redesigning and repackaging these 
inversion transactions.
    So long as we are focused on the headline-grabbing 
inversions and not the underlying factors which prompt these 
moves, I am concerned we will continue to play catchup with 
enterprising companies and their tax planners who find ways 
around the statutes.
    The fundamental problem, as identified by the U.S. 
Department of the Treasury, is the ``juice'' which makes 
inversions such an attractive option for many companies. 
Existing barriers such as toll charges on the shareholders of 
inverting companies under section 367 are inadequate in some 
cases. With stock prices depressed and many institutional 
shareholders indifferent to this tax, this check on inversions 
is not as formidable as it was once thought.
    These challenges suggest the need to think broadly and 
address not only the narrow issue of inversions but also the 
broader flaws in our Tax Code which make it attractive for 
long-established U.S. companies to invert.
    I look forward to examining these issues with the witnesses 
today and to working with my colleagues in the days and weeks 
to come to craft legislation which responsibly removes the 
incentive for American companies to send their headquarters 
overseas.
    It is now my pleasure to yield to my good friend from New 
York, the Ranking Member of the Subcommittee, Mr. McNulty.
    [The opening statement of Chairman McCrery follows:]
Opening Statement of the Hon. Jim McCrery, a Representative in Congress 
                      from the State of Louisiana
    The hearing will come to order. I ask our guests to please take 
their seats.

    Good afternoon.
    Today, the Select Revenue Subcommittee continues its examination of 
the impact of the Tax Code on the competitiveness of American 
businesses. The first three hearings looked at possible responses to 
the World Trade Organization's decision in the FSC/ETI dispute.
    This hearing will examine the practice known as inversions whereby 
some companies move their legal residence from the United States to 
another country, usually a low-tax or no-tax jurisdiction.
    Let me begin by making clear what I said to Mr. Neal and others 
during House debate last week. I agree inversions are a problem. I 
agree there is something wrong with a Tax Code which allows American 
companies to reduce their taxes by moving their nominal residence to 
another country. And I agree that legislation to address this problem 
is something this Congress should and will take up.
    Let me also make clear that my support for legislation to tackle 
the issue of inversions is not an endorsement of any of the bills which 
have been introduced to this point. This hearing will give us a chance 
to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of current proposals and 
examine whether other, more comprehensive approaches, are necessary.
    Inversions are not a new phenomenon. In fact, the first inversion 
to attract significant attention involved a Louisiana company in 1983. 
Preventive legislation was enacted in response.
    A decade later, Helen of Troy inverted in a differently structured 
transaction. The IRS responded swiftly with new regulations.
    Now, two decades after inversions first gained public attention, 
they are back in the spotlight. The outcry from the press and the 
public has prompted legislators to introduce a slew of proposals to put 
a finger in the inversion dike.
    Inversions are motivated by two types of tax savings. First, the 
inverted company generally structures its affairs so as to avoid U.S. 
tax on its global income, thereby getting around our worldwide tax 
system. This has sometimes been referred to as ``self-help 
territoriality.''
    Second, and perhaps even more concerning, inverted companies have 
engaged in a practice known as interest stripping to reduce U.S. taxes 
on U.S. income. This occurs when the parent loans money to the U.S. 
subsidiary. The interest payments made to the parent or other foreign 
affiliate are deducted from the subsidiary's income, reducing taxable 
U.S. income. The payments received by the parent are either not 
considered taxable income or are subject to a very low tax rate.
    Combined, these incentives provide significant tax savings to 
inverting companies but erode the U.S. tax base. They also point out 
the danger of narrow legislative solutions.
    Just as water will find another way through or over the dike, 
legislation which leaves in place these incentives but only places them 
further out of reach encourages clever tax professionals to respond by 
redesigning and repackaging these inversion transactions.
    So long as we are focused on the headline-grabbing inversions and 
not the underlying factors which prompt those moves, I am concerned we 
will continue to play catch-up with enterprising companies and their 
tax planners who find ways around the statute.
    The fundamental problem, as identified by the Treasury, is the 
``juice'' which makes inversions such an attractive option for many 
companies. Existing barriers, such as toll charges on the shareholders 
of inverting companies under section 367, are inadequate in some cases. 
With stock prices depressed, and many institutional shareholders 
indifferent to this tax, this check on inversions is not as formidable 
as once thought.
    These challenges suggest the need to think broadly and address not 
only the narrow issue of inversions but also the broader flaws in our 
Tax Code which make it attractive for long-established U.S. companies 
to invert.
    I look forward to examining these issues with the witnesses today 
and to working with my colleagues in the days and weeks to come to 
craft legislation which responsibly removes the incentive for American 
companies to send their headquarters overseas.
    It is now my pleasure to yield to my friend from New York, Mr. 
McNulty.

                               

    Mr. McNULTY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and before I make my 
opening statement, I ask unanimous consent to submit the 
statement of Congressman Doggett concerning his bill, H.R. 
4993.
    Chairman McCRERY. Without objection.
    [The statement of Mr. Doggett follows:]
Statement of the Hon. Lloyd Doggett, a Representative in Congress from 
                           the State of Texas
    The parade of corporations changing their charter and buying a 
foreign mailbox as their home address is only the most blatant example 
of abusive corporate tax shelters that increasingly plague our country. 
Effectively resolving this particular form of abuse is urgent, but the 
broader issue must also receive prompt attention. Regretfully, just as 
the Committee has shown no recent interest in exploring tax rip-offs by 
Enron, it has given no attention to the Abusive Tax Shelter Shutdown 
Act (H.R. 2520), or related recommendations by the Joint Tax Committee 
\1\ or the Department of the Treasury \2\ since a hearing on November 
10, 1999.
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    \1\ ``Study of Present-Law Penalty and Interest Provisions as 
Required by Section 3801 of the Internal Revenue Service Restructuring 
and Reform Act 1998 (Including Provisions Relating to Corporate Tax 
Shelters),'' Joint Committee on Taxation, July 22, 1999.
    \2\ ``The Problem of Corporate Tax Shelters: Discussion, Analysis 
and Legislative Proposals,'' Department of the Treasury, July 1999.
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    When corporations renounce their U.S. citizenship, they take much 
of their U.S. income with them. Of the $30 million that Stanley Works 
expects to avoid each year in U.S. taxes under its reincorporation 
plan, well over two-thirds is apparently a result of moving abroad 
income earned on operations here in the U.S. Once a company has 
inverted, several accounting tricks allow it to artificially shift 
American income to no- or low-tax jurisdictions without first paying 
its fair share of taxes due in the U.S.
    One common means of shifting income is by having a U.S. affiliate 
borrow heavily from a related foreign company; taxable income generated 
here can be converted into interest deductions and sent abroad. Even 
the Treasury Department has recognized that the ``U.S. subsidiary can 
be loaded up with a disproportionate amount of debt for earnings 
stripping purposes through the mere issuance of an intercompany note. 
Thus, the desired earnings stripping, and the U.S. tax reduction, can 
be accomplished without any real movement of assets or change in 
operations.'' \3\
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    \3\ ``Corporate Inversion Transactions: Tax Policy Implications,'' 
Office of Tax Policy, Department of the Treasury, May 2002, at page 21.
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    The Treasury has failed, however, to grasp the seriousness and 
scope of the problem. Rather than the zero tolerance attitude that is 
required, the Administration provides the Congress with many 
suggestions on how to maintain this loophole: through safe harbors 
based on the company's ability to leverage itself on a world-wide 
basis; by removing accelerated depreciation values from the formula; 
and by giving a free-ride 100% deduction on all interest stripping up 
to a ``to-be-determined'' threshold.
    The use of intercompany debt to siphon American income abroad is 
only one piece of the puzzle. If you have wondered why some 
corporations have chosen to celebrate their new foreign address by 
discarding not only their citizenship but also by swapping a valuable 
and well-known trade name for something new, one answer is in the 
royalties. Probably a large consulting firm could only be convinced to 
name itself after a day of the week if there were significant moneys to 
be made in the process. By generating new intellectual property abroad, 
and then renting it at unreasonable prices to the U.S. subsidiary, more 
artificial shifting of American income can occur. A decade ago, the 
Ways & Means Committee recognized that foreign companies could use 
royalty payments to evade U.S. taxes in the same way that debt and 
interest payments are used,\4\ but the Tax Code offers even fewer 
protections against such royalty abuse. This is not new, but it has 
been ignored during the current debate.
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    \4\ See, for example, Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Oversight 
of the Committee of the Ways and Means on the Department of the 
Treasury's Report on Issues Related to the Compliance with U.S. Tax 
Laws by Foreign Firms Operating in the United States. (Pages 2-4.) 
April 9, 1992.
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    While both pleased that the Senate Finance Committee has provided a 
bipartisan response through S. 2119 and fully supportive of the 
approach adopted by Representatives Neal and Maloney in H.R. 3884 of 
which I am a cosponsor, the broad extent of tax evasion requires a 
multi-faceted response. It should also be noted that those corporations 
that were first out of the gate with abusive moves would not be 
immediately affected by these proposals. Among those corporations which 
appear to have reincorporated before September 11, 2001 are: Helen of 
Troy; Triton Energy Corporation; ADT Ltd.; Global Crossing; Tyco 
International; Fruit of the Loom, Inc.; Xoma Corporation; Transocean 
Offshore, Inc.; PXRE Corporation; Everest Reinsurance Group; Foster 
Wheeler Corporation; and Accenture, Ltd. In addition to these, 
Ingersoll-Rand and Global SantaFe appear to have reincorporated prior 
to March 20, 2002, the effective date of S. 2119. There is a need to 
reach those companies that have already expressed an interest in 
circumventing H.R. 3884 and S. 2119.
    I believe the root of the problem lies in extending the valuable 
benefits of our tax treaties to tax evading corporations, which lack a 
legitimate claim to use them. Tax treaties quite properly are meant to 
avoid double taxation but should not be a means for avoiding any 
taxation.
    Most of our more modern income tax treaties recognize that there 
can be opportunities for abuse in cross-border payments between related 
parties, through ``treaty shopping.'' Some of our treaty partners may 
even promote such activity by establishing very low ``residency'' 
requirements for purposes of accessing tax treaty benefits. Many 
treaties contain ``limitation on benefits'' provisions to limit access 
to significant (often total) reductions on the withholding taxes levied 
on interest and royalty payments. Such provisions contains a series of 
tests meant to ensure that treaty benefits go only to true residents of 
the tax treaty partner. The Treasury Department has stated, in its 
technical explanation to the 1996 model income tax convention, that 
``[t]he assumption underlying each of these tests is that a taxpayer 
that satisfies the requirements . . . probably has a real business 
purpose . . . or has a sufficiently strong nexus to the other 
Contracting State (e.g., a resident individual) to warrant benefits 
even in the absence of a business connection. . . .'' Unfortunately one 
of these tests reflects an outdated assumption about residency that 
renders the limitation on benefits provision of little value where it 
is most needed.
    The limitation on benefits provision, as included in over thirty of 
our tax treaties, provides that any corporation that satisfies the 
domestic residency rules of a tax treaty partner and trades its shares 
primarily on a recognized stock exchange (generally including ``any 
stock exchange registered with the U.S. Securities and Exchange 
Commission as a national securities exchange under the U.S. Securities 
Exchange Act 1934'') will be granted full access to the benefits of the 
tax treaty. In this age of globalized securities markets, a listing on 
the NASDAQ has no more relevancy in determining whether a company is a 
resident of a foreign partner to a tax treaty than does an annual 
beach-side board meeting, but it can nevertheless translate into tens 
of millions of dollars in taxes evaded for a corporation that chooses 
to reincorporate abroad and become a ``resident'' of the right tax 
haven.
    H.R. 4993, the No Tax Breaks for Corporations Renouncing America 
Act of 2002, would close this loophole. This legislation would require 
that corporate beneficiaries have true ties to the treaty partner, 
either through ownership or through a public stock market listing and 
substantial activities. It is similar in approach to prior 
congressional action to close tax treaty loopholes that were providing 
unanticipated and unbargained-for benefits to third parties.\5\
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    \5\ See, for example, section 884(e) of the Internal Revenue Code, 
responding to treaty shopping by foreign corporations to avoid branch 
profits taxation.
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    What American businesses need immediately is a return to a level 
playing field. When Stanley Works can unilaterally cut its taxes by $30 
million overnight, its competitors are disadvantaged and American 
families are unfairly required to pay an increased share of the costs 
for meeting our security and other needs.
    [An attachment is being retained in the Committee files.]

                               

    Mr. McNULTY. I also ask unanimous consent to present for 
the record the statement of Professor Samuel Thompson of the 
University of Miami concerning his views in general on 
corporate inversions.
    Chairman McCRERY. Without objection.
    [The statement of Mr. Thompson follows:]
 Statement of Samuel C. Thompson, Jr., Professor and Director, Center 
 for the Study of Mergers and Acquisitions, University of Miami School 
                                 of Law
I. BACKGROUND
    My name is Samuel C. Thompson, Jr., and I am a Professor of Law and 
the Director of the Center for the Study of Mergers and Acquisitions at 
the University of Miami School of Law. I am submitting these comments 
because I have an academic and scholarly interest in the topic of 
inversions, which involve various transactions in which a publicly held 
U.S. corporation becomes a subsidiary of a publicly held foreign 
holding company. I do not represent any client that has an interest in 
inversions, and all of the views expressed on this subject are my own 
and have not been approved by any other person or organization.
    As a young lawyer, I worked in the Treasury's Office of 
International Tax Policy, and as a practicing lawyer for many years, I 
counseled clients on various issues relating to the Federal income 
taxation of international transactions. As a law professor, I have 
taught International Taxation for many years, and I have published a 
casebook on the topic: U.S. Taxation of International Transactions 
(West Publishing 1994). I first became interested in inversions and 
similar transactions in 1998 in connection with a lecture I gave at the 
University of Cincinnati Law School on section 367 of the Code. The 
lecture was published in the University of Cincinnati Law Review: The 
Impact of Code Section 367 and the European Union's 1990 Council 
Directive on Tax-Free Cross-Border Mergers and Acquisitions, 66 U. Cin. 
L. Rev. 1193 (1998). I continued my interest in this subject by 
publishing in the March 18, 2002 issue of Tax Notes an article 
entitled: Section 367: a `Wimp' For Inversions and a `Bully' For Real 
Cross-Border Acquisitions, 94 Tax Notes 1505 (March 18, 2002) [Section 
367: A Wimp and a Bully]. This article was the basis of the Polisher 
Tax Lecture I gave at the Dickinson Law School on April 24, 2002. I 
also recently published in Tax Notes International the following three 
articles on this subject: Analysis of the Non-Wimpy Grassley/Baucus 
Inversion Bill, 26 Tax Notes International 741 (May 13, 2002) [Analysis 
of Grassley/Baucus Bill], Treasury's Inversion Study Misses The Mark: 
Congress Should Shut Down Inversions Immediately, 26 Tax Notes 
International 969 (May 27, 2002) [Treasury Misses the Mark], and U.S. 
Treasury Official Gives Unconvincing Reason For Not ``Blockading'' 
Inversions, 26 Tax Notes Int'l 1321 (June 17, 2002) [Treasury's 
Unconvincing Reason]. I also made a written submission to the House 
Ways and Means Committee in connection with its hearing on corporate 
inversion transactions, which was held on June 6, 2002, and this 
submission builds on that submission.
II. FOCUS OF THESE REMARKS
    Several bills have been introduced to stop these inversion 
transactions, including bills by Representatives Doggett, Johnson, 
Neal, McInnis, and Maloney and by Senators Grassley, Baucus, Wellstone 
and Dayton. I have previously analyzed the bill introduced by Senators 
Grassley and Baucus. See Analysis of Grassley/Baucus Bill. Also, on 
Friday, May 17, 2002, the U.S. Treasury issued a tentative report on 
corporate inversion transactions. See Office of Tax Policy, Department 
of the Treasury, Corporate Inversion Transactions: Tax Policy 
Implications (May 2002) [Treasury Report], and on June 6, 2002, the 
Treasury testified on this topic before House Ways and Means Committee. 
See Treasury's Unconvincing Reason. My comments today focus on the 
Treasury Report, the Treasury's June 6, 2002 testimony, and the policy 
question of whether the case has been made to bring these transactions 
to an end. I do not comment here on the technical aspects of the bills 
that have been introduced, but I think the Grassley/Baucus REPO bill 
would provide a good starting point for closing down these 
transactions. This submission does not repeat the sections of the June 
6 submission that discuss the background of inversions and summarize 
the Treasury's Report.
III. SUMMARY OF MAJOR POINTS
         LBy avoiding the CFC provisions, inversion 
        transactions extend de facto territorial taxation to both 
        active foreign income and passive foreign income; not even the 
        most avid proponent of territorial taxation supports such a 
        system for passive income.
         LThe Treasury Report and the National Foreign Trade 
        Council's (NFTC) Study do not establish that U.S. companies 
        face a competitive problem in conducting business in foreign 
        markets; there may be such a problem, but it has not been 
        established.
         LThe NFTC's June 11, 2002 position against adopting a 
        territorial system is an acknowledgement that the entire issue 
        needs further study.
         LInversions create a real competitive problem for U.S. 
        firms that cannot, or choose not to, engage in inversions, 
        while their competitors pursue such transactions.
         LThere is no reason to refuse to act now on inversions 
        because of concern with similar transactions. It is possible to 
        address similar transactions, which is the case with the 
        Grassley/Baucus bill, and there is no evidence that cross 
        border mergers with real companies in OECD countries have been 
        used to accomplish the purposes of inversion transactions.
         LThe Treasury and Congress should be careful not to 
        overstate the potential simplification advantages of a 
        territorial system. As Ron Pearlman, a former Assistant 
        Secretary of Treasury for Tax Policy in the Reagan 
        Administration said many years ago: ``Corporate transactions by 
        their nature are complex and * * * the rules governing those 
        transactions will be complex.''
         LWithout respect to one's views on the desirability of 
        a territorial system, it is difficult to comprehend on tax 
        policy grounds why the Congress would not act immediately to 
        close down inversions.
         LAfter shutting down inversions, Congress and Treasury 
        should then turn their attention to the real issue: a thorough, 
        effective, careful, and honest study of the merits of both (1) 
        a move to a territorial system, and (2), in the words of the 
        NFTC's June 11 Report, the ``reform of our current deferral and 
        foreign tax credit system.''
IV. CRITIQUE OF THE TREASURY REPORT
A. Relationship of Inversions to Possible Move to a Territorial System
    The Treasury Report correctly points out that it is appropriate for 
Congress to consider the possibility of moving to a territorial regime 
for active income. Senators Grassley and Baucus \1\ made the same point 
in introducing their anti-inversion bill. So there is no real debate on 
whether Congress should consider moving to a territorial system, and 
the treatment of inversions should have nothing at all to do with that 
coming debate.
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    \1\ Analysis of Grassley/Baucus Bill, supra.
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    A move in the direction of a territorial system has been one of the 
principal goals of the National Foreign Trade Council, Inc. (NFTC), an 
industry sponsored organization, which has argued for such a change in 
its book: International Tax Policy for the 21st Century.\2\ 
The NFTC has been careful only to make the case for a territorial 
system for active foreign income, and there are principled arguments 
that can be made for adopting such a regime.\3\ However, with respect 
to the treatment of foreign passive income, the NFTC has said: ``[W]e * 
* * have * * * recommended no change relating to the basic operation of 
the foreign personal holding company income rules of subpart F.'' \4\ 
Thus, the NFTC does not argue against the current CFC treatment of 
passive income, which generally imputes such income to controlling U.S. 
shareholders.
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    \2\ National Foreign Trade Council, Inc., International Tax Policy 
for the 21st Century (December 15, 2001) [NFTC Report].
    \3\ I do not believe the case for a territorial system has been 
adequately made in the NFTC Report or otherwise, but I believe the move 
to a territorial system for real active foreign income is something 
Congress should consider.
    \4\ NFTC Report, supra note 17 at 26-27.
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    By avoiding the CFC provisions, the inversion transactions extend 
de facto territorial taxation to both active foreign income and passive 
foreign income. The Treasury Report only addresses the avoidance of tax 
on foreign source passive income in a footnote, and in that footnote 
the Treasury says: ``Further study must be given to this issue.'' \5\ 
Thus, the Treasury must think that there could be some argument in 
favor of extending a territorial regime to foreign passive income. I 
submit that no principled argument can be made for such a position. For 
example, all of our significant trading partners with territorial 
systems only extend territorial treatment to active foreign income. 
Even though the Treasury seems to support a territorial system, it 
should have recommended immediate action to end inversions on the 
grounds that these transactions extend the territorial principles 
beyond the breaking point.
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    \5\ Treasury Report, supra at 29, footnote 50.
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    Further, the NFTC has recently backed away from its support for a 
move toward a territorial system; in a June 11, 2002 Report, it states 
that its (apparently recently formed) Territorial Study Group 
``concludes that, on balance, legislative efforts to improve current 
international tax rules are better spent on reform of our current 
deferral and foreign tax credit system and on finding a WTO compliant 
replacement for FSC/ETI than on adopting a territorial system.'' Id. 
Executive Summary at 3. Thus, since the principal proponent of a move 
in the direction of a territorial system has abandoned that position 
and recommended more study, it would be irresponsible for Congress to 
decide not to immediately shut down inversions. This recent action of 
the NFTC emphasizes the need for Congress and the Treasury to carefully 
study this issue.
B. The Competitiveness Argument
    Although the Treasury Report asserts that U.S. corporations face a 
competitive disadvantage, the Report does not adequately document such 
a disadvantage. Thus, I believe that there is absolutely no foundation 
for the following statement in the Treasury Report: ``The impact of 
this competitive disadvantage is seen most starkly with the recent 
inversion activity * * *.'' \6\ There is nothing in the Treasury Report 
to support the assertion that inversions are undertaken to address a 
competitiveness problem these companies face overseas. Certainly 
inversions reduce the overall tax liability, but there is no evidence 
that the tax liability these companies are facing is greater than the 
tax liabilities their competitors face. Although the Treasury says that 
it reviewed the proxy statements of many companies engaging in 
inversion transactions, the Treasury Report does not cite to any 
statements in those proxy statements to the effect that the 
transactions are being undertaken to allow the companies to address 
competitiveness problems they face.
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    \6\ Treasury Report, supra at 28.
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    In fact, it would appear that our current deferral system for 
active income, in large measure, addresses the basic competitiveness 
issue. For example, assume that a U.S. corporation (USC) operates an 
active business through a foreign subsidiary located in foreign country 
(X). Also, a foreign competitor (FC) that is organized in a country 
with a territorial system operates a competing active business through 
a foreign subsidiary in X. In this case, the foreign subsidiaries of 
USC and FC face the same foreign tax in X, which is, say, at a 30% 
rate. The CFC provisions do not require the imputation to USC of the 
income of its sub, because the income is active income earned in X. 
Therefore, at the time the business operations are conducted or 
earnings are reinvested, there is a level playing field for USC and FC 
in X from an income tax perspective.
    At the time the earnings of the subs are repatriated, USC is 
subject to tax on the repatriated amounts, but USC is, subject to 
certain limitations, allowed a foreign tax credit for the 30% taxes the 
sub has paid to X. Where the tax paid to X is less than the U.S. tax 
liability, the full amount of the foreign tax is generally allowed as a 
credit. Thus, in such case, the net additional tax due to the U.S. 
would be the 5% difference between the 30% rate in X and the 35% 
corporate rate in the U.S. On the other hand, under the territorial 
system that applies to FC, it can repatriate the income from its sub 
tax-free. Thus, in this case, the competitive disadvantage faced by USC 
with respect to its current operations is the present value of the 5-
percentage point difference in tax rates between the U.S. and X, which 
is to be incurred at some point in the future when the income is 
repatriated. A careful analysis of this type of situation could lead to 
the conclusion that this difference is insignificant from a 
competitiveness standpoint.
    Let me be clear, I am not asserting that there is no 
competitiveness problem. I am merely stating that (1) the Treasury 
Report has not presented evidence of a competitiveness problem, and (2) 
the issue needs to be carefully studied. There are many elements to 
this competitiveness issue. For example, consider the impact the 
following facts have on competitiveness: (1) the U.S. has the lowest 
tax to GDP ratio of any of its major trading partners except Japan,\7\ 
and (2) in Japan, the corporate tax is 13% of total tax revenues, 
whereas in the U.S. the corporate tax is only 9% of total tax revenues, 
which is the average for the OECD.\8\ The competitiveness issue is too 
complex and too important for any one to ``jump the gun.''
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    \7\ OECD Economic Outlook, 171 (June 2001).
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C. The Reverse Competitiveness Argument with a De facto Territorial 
        System
    While the Treasury Report focuses on the competitiveness problem 
between U.S. companies and their foreign competitors, the inversion 
transaction creates a competitiveness problem between competing U.S. 
firms. For example, assume that the major U.S. competitor of Coopers 
Industries, which is considering an inversion, also competes with 
Coopers in foreign markets. Also, assume that the competitor's 
shareholders vote no on a proposed inversion transaction because the 
tax cost to the shareholders under the section 367 regulations is too 
high. However, Coopers Industries goes forward with its inversion 
transaction, because the tax cost to its shareholders is not a barrier 
to the transaction. In such case, it would appear that Coopers 
Industries has attained a real competitive advantage over its U.S. 
competitor. Also, the lower tax rate might give Coopers an advantage in 
attracting capital. It would appear that this is a much more serious 
competitiveness problem than the potential and unproven competitiveness 
problem Coopers Industries may face with its foreign competitors.
D. Treatment of Similar Transactions
    The Treasury Report argues for moving slowly on inversions because 
there are other transactions that can have a similar effect, such as 
initial incorporations in tax havens in going public transactions and 
acquisitions by substantial foreign acquiring corporations of U.S. 
targets. It appears that the Grassley/Baucus anti-inversion bill would 
apply to many foreign, going public incorporations, and in any event, 
the bill should be amended to clarify and broaden its application to 
these transactions.\9\
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    \9\ Analysis of Grassley/Baucus Bill, supra.
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    With respect to real cross border transactions, there seems to be 
no evidence that these transactions are motivated for the purpose of 
avoiding the U.S.'s CFC provisions. Indeed, most such transactions 
involve acquiring corporations that are located in countries that have 
CFC provisions, such as the U.K., Germany, and France. But if the 
purpose of any such transactions is the avoidance of the U.S.'s CFC 
regime, the IRS should be given the tools to challenge those 
transactions along the lines of the prior approval provisions of the 
Grassley/Baucus bill.\10\ There is no need to wait on addressing 
inversions, because these similar transactions can be also addressed.
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E. Concern with Congressional ``Deal Chasing''
    If creative lawyers and accountants come up with new inversion 
schemes not covered by the legislation, which is certainly a 
possibility, Congress should act to shut down such transactions. 
Indeed, this has been the pattern with legislation dealing with tax 
shelters. For example, during the Ford Administration in 1976, Congress 
enacted the ``at risk'' rules under section 465 to address real estate 
tax shelters. These rules proved ineffective, and as a response during 
the Reagan Administration in 1986 Congress enacted the very effective 
passive loss rules under section 469. Also, during the Reagan 
Administration, in 1981 Congress enacted the disallowance of loss rules 
under section 1092 and the mark to market rules under section 1256 to 
eliminate tax sheltering in futures straddles transactions, and in 1983 
Congress extended those rules to stock option straddles transactions, 
which had become a new market for such sheltering. These are examples 
of what some may refer to as ``deal chasing'' by Congress. I believe 
that in view of the very creative tax bar we have in this country, it 
is necessary for Congress to be prepared to ``chase deals.'' Otherwise, 
tax planners will find ways to undermine the tax system.
LF. Assumption that a Territorial System would be Less Complex than the 
        Current System
    Although the Treasury Report criticizes the complexity with our 
current system of taxation of foreign income, it fails to acknowledge 
that there will be similar complexities in structuring a territorial 
system for active income. For example, there would have to be rules 
distinguishing between the active income that qualifies for such 
treatment and the passive income that does not. It would be a mistake 
to think that in an interconnected global world of business, it is 
possible to write simple rules that taxpayers will not be able to 
abuse.
    The Treasury would be wise to listen to the words of Ron Pearlman, 
a very effective former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Tax 
Policy in the Reagan Administration and a former Chief of Staff of the 
Joint Committee on Taxation. In commenting at a 1988 conference on 
efforts to simplify the corporate tax provisions of the Code, Assistant 
Secretary Pearlman said:

      L  We think it a bit dangerous * * * to sell these [corporate 
reform proposals] as simplification. Corporate transactions by their 
nature are complex and they will continue to remain complex, we 
suspect. We would guess that, ultimately, the rules governing those 
transactions will be complex.\11\
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    \11\ Pearlman, The Political Environment of Corporate Tax Reform, A 
Report of the Invitational Conference on Subchapter C 34 (1988).

    Since the time Mr. Pearlman wrote those words 14 years ago, as he 
predicted, corporate transactions have become more complex, and this is 
particularly true of international corporate transactions. The lesson 
the Treasury should learn from Mr. Pearlman is that it would be a ``bit 
dangerous'' to sell a territorial regime as simplification.
    Also, if simplification is the principal goal in structuring an 
international tax regime, it might be advisable to move in the opposite 
direction of a territorial system and eliminate all deferral by simply 
imputing all of the income of controlled foreign corporations to their 
U.S. shareholders. This would eliminate the need to determine subpart F 
income and could dramatically simplify the foreign tax credit rules. 
Indeed, there would be complexity with such a move, but on balance, it 
could be less complex than either the current system or a territorial 
system.
G. Decoupling the Territorial Issue From the Inversion Issue
    There is no sound basis for coupling the examination of the 
potential move to a territorial system with the inversion problem. They 
are different problems and should be treated as such. Without respect 
to one's views on the desirability of a territorial system, it is 
difficult to comprehend, on tax policy grounds, why Congress would not 
act immediately to close down inversions, because these transactions 
produce territorial taxation for passive income, which is not even 
supported by the NFTC. Indeed, the ability of an inverted company to 
park passive income offshore tax-free will act as a giant magnet 
sucking capital out of the U.S.
H. Potential Additional Approach to Interest Stripping
    Both the Treasury Study and the Grasssley/Baucus bill address 
interest stripping with potential amendments to section 163(j). A 
potential additional approach to interest stripping might be an 
amendment to the Code, along the lines of Congressman Doggett's bill, 
that overrides any treaty, such as the Barbados treaty, insofar as the 
treaty is employed in an inversion or similar transaction for purposes 
of interest stripping or other transactions having a similar effect. 
This would merely be a statutory extension of the Treasury's anti-
treaty shopping provisions of the Model Treaty. The inadequacy of those 
provisions makes interest stripping possible.
V. TREASURY JUNE 6, 2002 TESTIMONY
A. Summary of Treasury Testimony
    On Thursday June 6, 2002, Pamela Olson, the Treasury's Acting 
Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy, testified at a hearing before the 
House Ways and Means Committee on Corporate Tax Inversions. Her 
testimony basically followed the arguments made in the Treasury's May 
17, 2002 Interim Report on Inversions. She also recommended ``removing 
the juice'' from inversions by curtailing earnings stripping. She said, 
however, that Treasury does not favor action directly attacking 
inversions, because a ``blockade'' against inversions may make other 
transactions that can have a similar effect ``more beneficial.'' 
Specifically, she referred to start-up incorporations in tax haven 
jurisdictions and to foreign acquisitions of U.S. companies. In 
response to Chairman Thomas's question concerning the wisdom of a 
``narrow approach'' to inversions, she said something to the effect 
that ``foreign companies will have an advantage if we only address 
inversions.'' At a later point she said that putting up a ``Berlin 
Wall'' against inversions or ``blockading'' them would be harmful to 
the U.S.
B. Critique of Treasury's Testimony
    This explanation for not immediately ``blockading'' inversions is 
unconvincing. First, foreign corporations can acquire U.S. corporations 
whether or not U.S. corporations can engage in inversions. Second, the 
Treasury has cited no evidence that acquisitions by substantial foreign 
companies located in non-tax haven jurisdictions, such as Germany and 
France, have been acquiring U.S. companies for tax motivated reasons. 
Third, any acquisition of a U.S. company by a foreign company located 
in a tax haven jurisdiction, such as the prior acquisition by a Bermuda 
based company of Tyco in a reverse acquisition, likely would be treated 
as a pure inversion under the Grassley/Baucus REPO bill, and as a 
consequence, the foreign acquiror would be treated as a U.S. 
corporation. In any event, there seems to be no evidence that foreign 
acquirors with active business operations in tax havens are acquiring 
U.S. corporations. Fourth, the Grassley/Baucus REPO would address in 
part many start-up foreign incorporations, and the bill should be 
amended to pick-up these transactions more completely.
    The Treasury's approach would in essence retain the status quo with 
inversions, except for modification of the earnings stripping 
provisions, tightening the transfer pricing rules, renegotiating 
treaties, and enhancing reporting requirements for gain under the 
section 367 regulations.  With the exception of the reporting issue, 
all of these changes are focused on the base erosion aspects, such as 
interest stripping, of these transactions, and the Grassley/Baucus bill 
would address these issues more directly and with less complexity by 
treating the foreign holding companies in pure inversion transactions 
as domestic corporations.
    To summarize, the Treasury's no ``blockade'' approach would give 
companies engaging in inversion transactions de facto territorial 
taxation for all types of foreign income, including: (1) active foreign 
income that would be foreign base company sales income and, therefore, 
subject to imputation under the Controlled Foreign Company (CFC) 
provisions in the absence of an inversion, and (2) passive foreign 
income that also would be subject to imputation under the CFC 
provisions in absence of an inversion. Thus, as indicated above, the 
Treasury's acceptance of a de facto territorial approach would even go 
further than the approach initially proposed by the NFTC.
VI. CONCLUSION
    The Treasury has missed the mark by a wide margin in both its 
Interim Report and in its Testimony. Under the Treasury's suggestion 
for further study of a move to a territorial system, in the interim, 
companies would be able to engage in inversions and similar 
transactions that produce a de facto territorial system for both active 
and passive foreign income. This is an indefensible tax policy 
position, and Congress should move quickly to bring a prompt end to 
inversions and similar transactions by adopting the Grassley/Baucus 
anti-inversion bill or some similar provision. After shutting down 
these transactions, Congress and Treasury should then turn their 
attention to the real issue: a thorough, effective, careful, and honest 
study of the merits of both (1) a move to a territorial system, and 
(2), in the words of the NFTC's June 11 Report, the ``reform of our 
current deferral and foreign tax credit system.''

                               

    Mr. McNULTY. And, as usual, I ask unanimous consent that 
all Members of the Subcommittee have the opportunity to submit 
written statements.
    Chairman McCRERY. Without objection.
    Mr. McNULTY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am very pleased 
that you have scheduled today's hearing of our Subcommittee on 
this very important subject. Since the estate tax sunset bill 
was being considered before the House of Representatives at the 
same time the Committee was receiving the June 6 testimony on 
this most important issue, it was appropriate that we postpone 
the full Committee hearing and resume today before this 
Subcommittee.
    I welcome all of our colleagues from the Congress who are 
appearing before this Subcommittee today to discuss the 
legislation they have introduced to stop corporate inversion 
transactions.
    We must act on this legislation with great speed. The 
problem is clear, and the solution is simple. I have no 
sympathy for the argument that these Benedict Arnold companies 
are justified in their actions, literally turning their back on 
this country because of problems they claim with our tax laws. 
No one should justify tax avoidance at a time of war by 
complaining about the laws. We have at least two concrete 
proposals to address this issue.
    First, Congressman Neal has authored H.R. 3884, the 
``Corporate Patriot Enforcement Act,'' which is coauthored by 
Congressman Maloney, and merits our particular attention. Their 
bill would address a real and growing problem of U.S. 
corporations avoiding taxes through paper reincorporation 
overseas. The bill would raise $4 billion over 10 years and 
eliminates any tax benefits for companies that expatriated 
after September 11, 2001. Companies that expatriated before 
that date would be brought back into the U.S. tax system in 2 
years.
    Second, Congressman Doggett has authored H.R. 4993, which 
also merits our serious attention. His bill would provide a 
backstop to the Neal bill by eliminating the ability of 
corporations to use U.S. tax treaties to strip earnings out of 
the United States for the purpose of eliminating tax. In such 
circumstances, the bill would limit the availability of tax 
benefits to treaty-country residents.
    Corporate executives may decide that patriotism needs to 
take a back seat to profits. I believe that Congress will take 
a different view. At a time when we are asking our Armed Forces 
to risk their lives in the war against terrorism, I find it 
contemptible that corporations would renounce their allegiance 
to this country in order to evade taxes. It is especially 
troubling that some of these expatriating corporations have 
profitable contracts with the Federal Government.
    The public expects us to act and to act now. Every dollar 
of tax evaded by corporations fleeing our borders must be paid 
by someone else.
    I want to thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding this 
important hearing and providing especially our Members and 
other interested parties with the opportunity to be heard. 
Thank you.
    [The opening statement of Mr. McNulty follows:]
  Opening Statement of the Hon. Michael McNulty, a Representative in 
                  Congress from the State of New York
    I am very pleased that the Select Revenue Measures Subcommittee is 
holding today's hearing. Since the estate tax sunset bill was being 
considered before the House of Representatives at the same time as the 
Committee was receiving the June 6th testimony on this most important 
issue, it was appropriate that we postponed the full Committee hearing 
and resume today before this Subcommittee.
    I welcome all of the Members of Congress appearing before the 
Subcommittee to discuss the legislation they have introduced to stop 
corporate inversion transactions. We must act on this legislation with 
great speed. The problem is clear and the solution is simple.
    I have no sympathy for the argument that these ``Benedict Arnold'' 
companies are justified in their actions--literally turning their back 
on this country because of problems they claim with our tax laws. No 
one should justify tax avoidance at a time of war by complaining about 
the laws. We have at least two concrete proposals to address this 
issue.
    First, Congressman Neal has authored H.R. 3884, the ``Corporate 
Patriot Enforcement Act,'' which is cosponsored by Congressman Maloney, 
and merits our particular attention. Their bill would address a real 
and growing problem of U.S. corporations avoiding taxes through paper 
reincorporations overseas. The bill would raise $4 billion over ten 
years, and eliminate any tax benefits for companies that expatriated 
after September 11, 2001. Companies that expatriated before that date 
would be brought back into the U.S. tax system in two years.
    Second, Congressman Doggett, has authored H.R. 4993, which also 
merits our serious attention. His bill would provide a backstop to the 
Neal bill by eliminating the ability of corporations to use U.S. tax 
treaties to strip earnings out of the U.S. for the purpose of 
eliminating tax. In such circumstances, the bill would limit the 
availability of tax benefits to treaty country residents.
    Corporate executives may decide that ``patriotism needs to take a 
back seat'' to profits. I believe the Congress will take a different 
view. At a time when we are asking our Armed Forces to risk their lives 
in the war against terrorism, I find it contemptible that corporations 
would renounce their allegiance to this country in order to evade 
taxes. It is especially troubling that some of the expatriating 
corporations have profitable contracts with the Federal Government.
    The public expects us to act and to act now. Every dollar of tax 
evaded by corporations fleeing our borders must be paid by somebody 
else.
    I want to thank you Mr. Chairman for holding this hearing and 
providing Members and interested parties with the opportunity to be 
heard. Thank you.

                               

    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. McNulty.
    Our first panel today is a distinguished one, to say the 
least: four Members who have been leaders in the effort to get 
the Congress to take a look at this issue. Mrs. Johnson, I 
remember, was taking a leading role in this issue, kind of a 
side issue on insurance companies; 3 or 4 years ago, she pulled 
me aside and said we have got to be concerned about this. Then 
Scott McInnis, I think, was the first one this year to 
introduce legislation on this subject. Mr. Neal and Mr. 
Maloney, of course, have the bill that was the subject of Mr. 
McNulty's opening remarks and have been leaders in trying to 
get the Congress to shed some light on this issue.
    So we indeed have a distinguished panel before us of our 
colleagues today, and we are very thankful for you all agreeing 
to come and share with the Subcommittee your ideas, your 
thoughts, on this very important topic.
    So with your permission, gentlemen, I will begin with the 
lady amongst you, Mrs. Johnson. Mrs. Johnson, and all of you, 
your written remarks will be entered into the record in full, 
but as you know, we would like for you to try to summarize 
those in about 5 minutes. Mrs. Johnson.

  STATEMENT OF THE HON. NANCY L. JOHNSON, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
             CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT

    Mrs. JOHNSON OF CONNECTICUT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Mr. 
McNulty, and Subcommittee Members. I appreciate your convening 
this hearing on a very important topic: the troubling practice 
of American companies reincorporating overseas to avoid paying 
taxes. I am strongly opposed to these moves, including the ones 
most recently proposed by Stanley Works in Connecticut.
    I have introduced legislation to impose an immediate 
moratorium to stop Stanley Works and other companies from 
reincorporating in tax havens like Bermuda, while giving the 
Congress the time to enact broader legislation aimed at keeping 
jobs and companies in America. My bill, H.R. 4756, would extend 
through December 31, 2003.
    My legislation will stop the destructive practice of 
American companies renouncing their American identity to avoid 
the taxes that provide the very services they benefit from. 
American companies should act like American companies and pay 
their fair share to keep our country strong.
    The Treasury Department's recent report on corporate 
inversions confirmed that more American companies will exploit 
this tax loophole if action is not taken to address the cause 
of the problem.
    On June 6, 2002, in testimony before the full Committee, 
the Treasury Department made clear that a ban, without taking 
further steps to reform our Tax Code to keep jobs and companies 
in America, is unlikely to work and could be very harmful to 
our economy.
    The Treasury Department points out that just plugging the 
Bermuda loophole without solving the larger problem sets U.S. 
companies up for foreign takeovers because foreign owners would 
escape the very taxes a U.S. company dodges by moving to a tax 
haven. Unfortunately, a foreign owner not only escapes taxes 
but has less incentive to keep jobs in America.
    The Treasury Department prefers my moratorium proposal 
because we need a thorough understanding of all aspects of the 
fundamental problem to ensure that the solution we adopt does 
not make matters worse; in fact, does address the problem. The 
problem is much greater than companies reincorporating overseas 
to avoid paying taxes, and companies must make sure that we 
don't plug one hole only to leave others open or create even 
bigger ones.
    The underlying problem is that our Tax Code is driving U.S. 
companies offshore. The signs have been clear. For example, I 
have been lobbying for a bill I introduced with Mr. Neal 2 
years ago, and again this Congress, to stop reinsurance 
companies from taking advantage of a similar Bermuda tax 
loophole.
    Insurers originally incorporated in Bermuda that acquired 
U.S. companies are able to siphon U.S. profits offshore to a 
tax haven out of the reach of our Treasury Department by 
reinsuring their U.S.-owned subsidiary's reserves to Bermuda.
    Congress should address both the inversion and reinsurance 
loopholes, as well as any other loophole that exists if we are 
going to permanently resolve the alarming exodus of U.S. 
interests to offshore tax havens to avoid paying their fair 
share of taxes.
    And the now near total loss of the reinsurance industry to 
Bermuda isn't the only sign the Committee has had of this 
problem. According to testimony heard by the full Committee on 
Ways and Means 2 years ago, DaimlerChrysler is German-owned 
because of the U.S. Tax Code. So current downsizing decisions 
are being made in Germany, not in America.
    Prompt passage of my moratorium is essential. It will give 
Congress the time to develop a more comprehensive solution to 
keep jobs and companies in America. Without a permanent and 
all-inclusive approach, loopholes will remain, and tax lawyers 
will simply circumvent the legislative proposals before the 
Subcommittee, inviting foreign takeovers of U.S. companies and 
putting decisionmaking about U.S. jobs and research and 
development (R&D) in the hands of foreign executives.
    Our goal is simple: Keep companies in America; keep jobs in 
America. Any proposal that does less is unacceptable. The 
Treasury Department has recommended specific steps that 
Congress should take to remove the tax incentives that are 
driving companies to reincorporate overseas. I support taking 
action on these urgent changes, but this may take time. 
Unfortunately, in this politically charged climate, it is often 
difficult to get the House and Senate to work in a bipartisan 
way on even the simplest of legislative initiatives to save 
American jobs.
    Given the complexity of this corporate inversion issue and 
the short amount of time remaining in this congressional 
session, I urge the Subcommittee to act immediately on my 
moratorium legislation to stop companies from reincorporating 
overseas. There is nearly universal agreement that we must take 
action to stop companies from reincorporating in tax havens.
    Given this breadth of support, let us pass a moratorium to 
stop them in their tracks and send a powerful message, to 
others who may be looking at other possible tax loopholes, that 
Congress is watching, and we will be acting as quickly as 
possible to prevent the dodging of U.S. taxes in a 
comprehensive way.
    A moratorium will ensure that no company slips through the 
cracks while Congress develops a permanent solution to keep 
U.S. companies in America, keep them competitive, and protect 
American jobs. We cannot afford to wait.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    [The prepared statement of Mrs. Johnson follows:]
 Statement of the Hon. Nancy L. Johnson, a Representative in Congress 
                     from the State of Connecticut
    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee:
    Thank you for convening this important hearing concerning the 
troubling practice of American companies reincorporating overseas to 
avoid paying taxes. I am strongly opposed to these moves, including the 
one most recently proposed by Stanley Works in Connecticut.
    I have introduced legislation to impose an immediate moratorium to 
stop Stanley Works, and other companies, from reincorporating in tax 
haven countries like Bermuda, while giving Congress time to enact 
broader legislation aimed at keeping jobs and companies in America. My 
bill, H.R. 4756, would extend through December 31, 2003.
    My legislation will stop the destructive practice of American 
companies renouncing their American identity to avoid the taxes that 
provide the very services they benefit from. American companies should 
act like American companies and pay their fair share to keep our 
country strong.
    The Treasury Department's recent report on corporate inversions 
confirmed that more American companies will exploit this tax loophole 
if action is not taken to address the cause of the problem. On June 6, 
2002, in testimony before the full Committee, the Treasury Department 
made clear that a ban, without taking the further step of reforming our 
Tax Code to keep jobs and companies in America, is unlikely to work and 
could be very harmful to the economy. Treasury points out that just 
plugging the Bermuda loophole without solving the larger problem, sets 
U.S. companies up for foreign takeovers, because foreign owners would 
escape the very taxes a U.S. company dodges by moving to a tax haven. 
Unfortunately, a foreign owner not only escapes taxes, but has less 
incentive to keep jobs in the U.S.
    The Treasury Department prefers my moratorium proposal because we 
need a thorough understanding of all aspects of the fundamental problem 
to ensure that the solution we adopt does not make matters worse. This 
problem is much greater than companies reincorporating overseas to 
avoid paying taxes and Congress must make sure that we don't plug one 
hole, only to leave others open, or create even bigger ones.
    The underlying problem is that our Tax Code is now driving U.S. 
companies offshore. The signs have been clear. For example, I have been 
lobbying for a bill I introduced with Mr. Neal two years ago and again 
this Congress to stop reinsurance companies from taking advantage of a 
similar Bermuda tax loophole. Insurers originally incorporated in 
Bermuda that acquire U.S. companies are able to siphon U.S. profits 
offshore to a tax haven, out of the reach of our Treasury, by 
reinsuring their U.S.-owned subsidiaries' reserves to Bermuda. Congress 
should address both the inversion and reinsurance loopholes, as well as 
any other loopholes that exist, if we are going to permanently resolve 
the alarming exodus of U.S. interests to offshore tax havens to avoid 
paying their fair share of taxes.
    And the now near total loss of the reinsurance industry to Bermuda 
isn't the only sign the Committee has had of this problem. Daimler-
Chrysler is German-owned because of the U.S. Tax Code, so current 
downsizing decisions are being made in Germany, not the U.S.
    Prompt passage of my moratorium is essential. It will give Congress 
the time to develop a more comprehensive solution to keep jobs and 
companies in America. Without a permanent and all-inclusive approach, 
loopholes will remain, and tax lawyers will simply circumvent the 
legislative proposals before the Committee, inviting foreign takeovers 
of U.S. companies, and put decisionmaking about U.S. jobs in the hands 
of foreign executives.
    Our goal is simple: Keep companies in America. Keep jobs in 
America. Any proposal that does less is unacceptable!
    The Treasury Department has recommended specific steps that 
Congress should take to remove the tax incentives that are driving 
companies to reincorporate overseas. I support taking action on these 
urgent changes, but this may take time. Unfortunately, in this 
politically charged climate, it is often difficult to get the House and 
Senate to work in a bipartisan way on even the simplest of legislative 
initiatives. Given the complexity of this corporate inversion issue, 
and the short amount of time remaining in this congressional session, I 
urge the Committee to act immediately on my moratorium legislation to 
stop companies from reincorporating overseas.
    There is nearly universal agreement that we must take action to 
stop companies from reincorporating in tax haven countries. Given this 
breadth of support, let's pass a moratorium to stop them in their 
tracks and send a powerful message to others who may be looking at 
other possible tax loopholes, that Congress is watching and we will be 
acting as quickly as possible to prevent the dodging of U.S. taxes in a 
comprehensive way.
    A moratorium will ensure that no company slips through the cracks 
while Congress develops a permanent solution to keep U.S. companies in 
America, keep them competitive and protect American jobs. We cannot 
afford to wait.

                               

    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mrs. Johnson. Mr. Neal.

  STATEMENT OF THE HON. RICHARD E. NEAL, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
            CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS

    Mr. NEAL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First let me acknowledge 
that you and Mr. McNulty have been faithful to your word here 
about keeping this issue before the Subcommittee, and I want to 
thank you again personally for scheduling this hearing today 
for our consideration.
    The practice of reincorporating in a foreign country to 
avoid paying U.S. income tax is inconsistent with American 
corporate citizenship and blatantly unfair to those individuals 
and businesses who pay their fair share in taxes.
    Since I first wrote to my colleagues in early February 
about this issue, and indeed 2 years ago with Mrs. Johnson 
about the reinsurance issue, the stream of corporations signing 
up to flee the United States has continued unabated. Despite 
patriotic sentiments expressed around this great Nation in the 
wake of the attacks of September 11, even public rebukes in 
newspapers have had little impact, including today's from Allan 
Sloan in the Washington Post condemning this practice as, 
quote, ``the worst abuse of all, moving corporate headquarters 
to places like Bermuda to duck U.S. taxes on U.S. income.''
    To address the problem of corporate inversions, or 
corporate expatriation, Mr. Maloney and I have introduced H.R. 
3884, the ``Corporate Patriot Enforcement Act.'' This bill, 
supported by both Republicans and Democrats, simply says that 
companies that reincorporate overseas must pay U.S. income tax 
when the new company has substantially the same assets and more 
than 80 percent of the same shareholders of the former U.S. 
company.
    A tougher test is applied to corporate expatriates that 
have no substantial U.S. business activity in a foreign country 
and if its stock is principally traded in the United States.
    The Neal bill currently has 104 bipartisan cosponsors. That 
is almost one quarter of this body which has put their name to 
this legislation. It would save $4 billion in Federal taxpayer 
money, which would otherwise be siphoned off by expatriate 
companies.
    Earlier this month, Goldman Sachs Chief Executive Officer, 
Henry Paulson, said he knew of no time before that, quote, 
``business overall has been held in less repute.'' Restoring 
the integrity in our corporations,'' he said, was crucial for 
getting the economy back on track. With companies resorting to 
expatriation schemes that have no legitimate business purpose, 
it is easy to see why investors have doubts about corporate 
integrity.
    Preventing corporate expatriates from cheating the Federal 
Treasury while their honest competitors and hardworking 
Americans pay their fair share is a responsibility this 
Subcommittee must assume. The solution is common sense. Stop 
the corporate traitors by shutting down the corporate loophole 
now and permanently.
    We are fortunate today to have experts before us to testify 
about this issue. We are also fortunate that several Members 
have been actively engaged on this issue and all have similar 
approaches to dealing with the problem.
    Mr. Chairman, in addition to my written statement, I would 
also request that the record include a report detailing the 
more than $2 billion in government contracts won by corporate 
expatriates and a preliminary list of 25 corporate expatriates 
and their former U.S. headquarters.
    I want to emphasize that my interest in this issue was 
generated, obviously, based upon the reinsurance question. But 
at the same time, it was not the American Federation of Labor-
Congress of Industrial Organizations, it was not the consumer 
groups, it was not the green party and Ralph Nader who brought 
this issue about. It was the business community in America who 
approached me and said, ``We stay. We like America. We like 
doing business here. We want an American address, and we hope 
we are not to be penalized for the good work that we 
undertake.''
    I want to close on the note that I opened with, Mr. 
Chairman. Thanks to you and Mr. McNulty, you all have attempted 
to hear what we all have said on this very, very important 
question. Thank you.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Neal follows:]
  Statement of the Hon. Richard E. Neal, a Representative in Congress 
                    from the State of Massachusetts
    Mr. Chairman and Mr. McNulty, thank you for bringing this important 
issue before the Committee today for consideration. The practice of 
reincorporating in a foreign country to avoid paying U.S. income tax is 
inconsistent with American corporate citizenship and unfair to those 
individuals and businesses who pay their fair share in taxes. Since I 
first wrote to colleagues in early February about this issue, the 
stream of corporations signing up to flee the U.S. has continued 
unabated, despite patriotic sentiments expressed around this great 
Nation in the wake of the attacks of September 11th. My colleague, Mr. 
Maloney, was the first to raise this issue in our Democratic caucus 
meetings, as many workers and retirees in his district are currently 
struggling with Stanley Tools' decision to leave for Bermuda.
    To address the problem of corporate inversions (or corporate 
expatriation), Mr. Maloney and I have introduced H.R. 3884, The 
Corporate Patriot Enforcement Act. This bill, supported by both 
Republicans and Democrats, simply says that companies that 
reincorporate overseas must pay U.S. income tax when the new company 
has substantially the same assets and more than 80% of the same 
shareholders of the former U.S. company. A tougher test is applied to 
corporate expatriates that have no substantial business activity in a 
foreign country and if its stock is principally traded in the U.S.
    The Neal-Maloney bill currently has more than 100 cosponsors, would 
save $4 billion in Federal taxpayer money otherwise siphoned off by 
expatriate companies, and narrowly lost on the House floor last week as 
an amendment to another tax bill (Roll Call 247, 186 For, 192 Against).
Investor/Shareholder Issues

    Earlier this month, Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson said he knew of 
no time before that ``business overall has been held in less repute.'' 
Restoring integrity in our corporations, he said, was crucial for 
getting the economy back on track. With companies resorting to 
expatriation schemes that have no legitimate business purpose, it is 
easy to see why investors have doubts about corporate integrity. As one 
aggressive tax practitioner was quoted a mere two months after 
September 11th regarding corporate expatriation, ``maybe the patriotism 
issue needs to take a back seat'' to improved corporate earnings.
    One corporate expatriate even chose Flag Day as the day 
shareholders voted to renounce U.S. corporate citizenship. With U.S. 
corporations contemplating expatriating on patriotic holidays, it is no 
wonder a new poll found that 57% of Americans do not trust corporate 
executives to give them honest information and one-third of Americans 
believe what happened at Enron is typical of behavior at most 
companies. (Wall Street Journal/NBC News Poll, Wall Street Journal, 
June 13, 2002, A4.)
    Furthermore, investors and shareholders of expatriating companies 
should be forewarned that this move could negatively impact their 
rights. One expatriating company warned in an SEC filing, ``Our 
shareholders may have more difficulty protecting their interests in 
Bermuda than would shareholders'' in the U.S. These warnings are 
beginning to resonate among some public investors. Consider these 
comments by public officials and pension trustees, many who have now 
cast votes against corporations seeking to leave the United States for 
tax havens:

          LH. Carl McCall, the Comptroller of the State of New York and 
        sole trustee of the state's Common Retirement Fund, ``We are 
        concerned that Nabors' reincorporation would compromise the 
        accountability of the company's officers and directors, and 
        threaten the long-term interests of shareholders.''

          LBrad Pacheco, spokesman for the California Public Employees' 
        Retirement Fund (CalPERS), one of the largest Stanley 
        shareholders, ``We voted against the plan. It sets a bad 
        precedent and could create of flood of companies moving to 
        Bermuda.''

          LDenise L. Nappier, Treasurer of the State of Connecticut and 
        principal fiduciary of the Connecticut Retirement Plans and 
        Trust Funds, ``While in some instances Connecticut and Bermuda 
        law regarding shareholder rights may be similar, the overall 
        weight of the differences results in a substantial reduction in 
        the rights of shareholders. Basic shareholder rights that we 
        take for granted in the United States are either non-existent 
        or vague in a number of critical areas.''

          LThe State of Wisconsin Investment Board Executive Director 
        Pat Lipton, ``offshore reincorporations add risks for 
        shareholders, since we know it could be more difficult to 
        enforce our legal rights there and we're not sure how 
        protective the Bermuda legislature and courts will be of 
        shareholders.''

          LThe five New York City Pension Funds Comptroller William C. 
        Thompson, ``These companies have offered no compelling business 
        reasons for reincorporating in Bermuda other than the notion 
        that it would reduce U.S. taxes. We are concerned about the 
        effect such a move would have on shareholders. I believe, on 
        balance, that the interests of shareholders are not served by 
        such a move.''

    In light of the difficulties shareholders, investors, and creditors 
of Enron are experiencing, this Committee should ensure that our laws 
do not encourage or reward expatriates who flee to tax havens or 
``judgment havens.'' I expect we will hear some expert testimony on 
this today from Connecticut Attorney General Blumenthal.
Ideological Divide

    Some have characterized corporate expatriation as ``rational 
business decisions'' or ``sensible corporate activity.'' I find these 
rationalizations absurd. The same outrage Americans feel about the 
excesses of Enron and Tyco is also being expressed towards these 
expatriating companies, one which rented a box in Bermuda to avoid $40 
million in U.S. taxes.
    Many of these defenders quote Judge Learned Hand, stating that no 
taxpayer has a patriotic duty to increase their taxes. We would all 
agree with that statement. Oddly enough in that case, Judge Hand ruled 
against the taxpayer finding her transaction to be a tax shelter 
lacking business purpose. The essence of Judge Hand's opinion, and what 
should be emphasized here, is that while you need not increase your 
taxes to be a good citizen, you also should not unfairly evade taxes 
either. Our system of voluntary compliance depends on corporations and 
citizens alike abiding by the rules and not unfairly shifting the tax 
burden to others.
    Taxpayers are rightly outraged when they hear of such flimsy tax 
avoidance scams. I have been encouraged in my efforts by the support of 
newspapers around the country, including these selected excerpts from 
editorials:

        L  ``The simple answer to corporate flight is the one advocated 
        by congressional Democrats: Refuse to change the tax treatment 
        of companies that move their legal base abroad without changing 
        where their real operations are located.'' The Washington Post, 
        6/9/02.

        L  ``Tax policy of this sort is outrageously offensive, if not 
        masochistic. It penalizes businesses that behave ethically and 
        responsibly and rewards those that do not. . . . Americans 
        should be outraged, and so should Congress, which should move 
        quickly to pass pending legislation outlawing the dodge.'' 
        Peoria Journal Star editorial, May 12.

        L  ``Businesses that want to enjoy the benefits and protections 
        provided by this country should pay their fair share of taxes. 
        Guess who will wind up picking up the tab as a result of 
        Stanley's tax avoidance? Other American taxpayers, of course.'' 
        Hartford Courant editorial, May 14.

        L  ``Even in the best of times, it is outrageous for companies 
        to engage in offshore shenanigans to avoid paying their fair 
        share of taxes. Doing so after the Enron scandal, in dire 
        fiscal times and when the Nation is at war is unconscionable.'' 
        New York Times editorial, May 13.

        L  ``American companies that have no headquarters, no employees 
        or operations in foreign tax havens should not be able to lower 
        their taxes by, in essence, acquiring an island post office 
        box. Basic fairness to American companies that remain 
        incorporated in the United States is at stake.'' Houston 
        Chronicle editorial, May 9.

        L  ``When a U.S.-based corporation decides to reincorporate, 
        basing its operations in, say, the Cayman Islands when the 
        company has little more than a mailbox there, it can legally 
        avoid millions of dollars in taxes. . . . There will come no 
        better moment than this one to right that wrong. We look 
        forward to the floor vote.'' Springfield Union News editorial, 
        May 7.

    The Administration and others would prefer a ``go slow'' approach 
on corporate inversions, preferring instead to study the intractable 
issue of fundamental tax reform. Recently, the CEO of corporate 
expatriate Stanley Tools endorsed this approach, stating that he 
``favors recommendations'' by Treasury to overhaul the Tax Code, as 
opposed to specific legislation to close the loophole. It is my sincere 
hope that this Committee does not follow his advice.
Conclusion

    Preventing corporate expatriates from cheating the Federal treasury 
while their honest competitors and hard working Americans pay their 
fair share is a responsibility this Committee must assume. The solution 
is common sense--stop these corporate traitors by shutting down the 
loophole now, and permanently. While we continue to fight for tax 
simplification ensuring that U.S. businesses remain competitive 
globally, we all acknowledge that this effort will take some time. 
Still, it will never be right for companies to buy a file cabinet in a 
tax haven to avoid paying millions in U.S. taxes, whether we keep our 
current corporate tax system or switch to another. A plug to this 
loophole is needed today, tomorrow, and forever.
    We are fortunate today to have experts before us to testify about 
this issue. We are fortunate also that several Members have been 
actively engaged on this issue and all have similar approaches to 
dealing with this problem. Again, I look forward to the testimony and 
prompt action to shut down this offensive practice.

                               

    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. Neal. And, without 
objection, the report to which you refer will be admitted to 
the record. Mr. McInnis.
    [The information follows:]
      Corporate Expatriates and U.S. Federal Government Contracts

This information was compiled by the Office of Rep. Richard Neal and is 
                                based on

a sample of former U.S. companies from public information sources, and 
                                 is not

                       intended to be exhausive.

                                                Accenture

                                                Consulting business, 
                                                formerly
                                                part of Arthur 
                                                Andersen.
                                                Inversion to Bermuda 
                                                completed
                                                in July, 2001.
                                                Total Federal Contracts 
                                                in excess
                                                of $1 billion.

         LDecember 13, 2001: Two Federal contracts awarded from 
        the U.S. Department of Education/Office of Financial Assistance 
        for system redevelopment and operation. Total cost $234.6 
        million.
          (www.washtech.com/news/govtit/14177-I.html)
         LOctober, 2001: Company earnings statement released, 
        showing Net Revenue for government contracts topping $1 billion 
        in fiscal year 2001.
          (www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20011011 50008)
         LSeptember 17, 2001: Accenture rates among the Top 10 
        GSA schedule holders based on sales to the Federal Government 
        between July 1, 2000 and June 30, 2001, including management 
        consulting projects for the U.S. State Department and Defense 
        Department. Estimated revenues $183.7 million.
          (www.fcw.com/supplements/fedList/200I/fed-acc-09-17-01.asp)
         LJuly 30, 2001: Internal Revenue Service awards 5-year 
        contract to redesign IRS website (the Digital Daily). Total 
        costs expected to reach $46 million.
         LAdditionally, Accenture holds numerous contracts with 
        state government agencies for consulting work, including as 
        welfare and social services contracts, among other professional 
        services (see e.g., Nebraska, Ohio, Texas).

                                                PricewaterhouseCoopers

                                                Consulting (PwCC)

                                                Accounting firm spun-
                                                off
                                                consulting firm,
                                                which completed 
                                                inversion to
                                                Bermuda in March, 2002.
                                                Total Federal Contracts 
                                                in excess
                                                of $760 million.

         LMay 6, 2002: PwC is listed as number 46 on the 
        Washington Technology 2002 list of Top 100 prime contractors in 
        the Federal IT market. Contracts totaled $128,328,000.
          (www.wtonline.com/news/17-3/features/I 82141.html)
         LMarch 25, 2002: PricewaterhouseCoopers wins a $4.5 
        million contract from the Defense Supply Center for management 
        support services.
          (www.washingtonpost.com)
         LDecember 15, 2001: The U.S. Army granted a $453 
        million contract to PwC to implement its new distant-learning 
        initiative.
          (www.govexec.com)
         LAugust 1, 2001: Listed as one of the top 200 
        Government Contractors (No. 125) for the fiscal year 2000. 
        Total Government Contracting award for 2000 was $171,752,000, 
        with $69,865,000 in Department of Defense contracts and 
        $101,887,000 in Civilian contracts.
          (www.eagleeyeinc.com/pressroom/GovExecTop200-2000-2.htm)
         L2000: The Federal Reserve paid PricewaterhouseCoopers 
        $1.4 million to audit the individual and combined financial 
        statements of the Reserve Banks and an additional $200,000 to 
        audit the Fed's pension and thrift savings plan.
          (www.fmcenter.orp-,/pdf/fedauditindep.l)df)

                                                Tyco International

                                                Conglomerate.
                                                Inversion to Bermuda 
                                                completed
                                                in March, 1997.
                                                Total Federal Contracts 
                                                in excess
                                                of $1 billion.

         LFebruary, 2001: Listed as one of the top 10 Federal 
        contractors for Architecture/Engineering Services for the U.S. 
        Department of Defense. Total Federal Contracting award for 2000 
        was $60,976,000.
          (www.fpdc.gov/fpdc/fpr.htm, Section l of the Federal 
        Procurement Report)

--ADT Securities (subsidiary):

         LAugust 14, 2000: ADT security systems awarded 
        contract from the United States Navy for alarm, signal, and 
        security detection systems. Total cost equaled $283,804.
          (www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/200008/14/1221081400-
        idx.html)
         LDecember 20, 1999: ADT announces contract to install 
        aviation security technology (Qcontrol) at Miami International 
        Airport. Contract price not revealed.

--Tyco Electronics Corporation (subsidiary):

         LOctober 15, 2001: M/A-Com, a unit of Tyco 
        Electronics, awarded a 10-year contract for technology, 
        equipment, and services to U.S. Federal agencies for the Base 
        Radio System, managed by United States Army. Total award up to 
        $1 billion. Additionally, awarded contract for HYDRA land 
        mobile radio systems for Space and Naval Warfare Systems 
        Center. Award not to exceed $46 million.
          (www.macom.com/about-macom/press.asp?ID=85)
         LJuly 30, 2001: Elo Touchsystems, Inc., a unit of Tyco 
        Electronics Corporation, was added to the GSA schedule, 
        allowing Federal agencies to purchase their touchscreen 
        technology, used by military and civilian agencies. Unable to 
        estimate.
          (www.fcw.com/few/articles/2001/0720/web-market-07-30-01.asp)

--Earth Tech (subsidiary):

         LMarch 13, 2002: Five-year contract awarded to provide 
        emergency response services for the U.S. Environmental 
        Protection Agency (EPA) for several southwestern U.S. states 
        and the Mexico border, including responding to terrorist 
        activities as they pertain to environmental cleanup. Total 
        contract award $100 million.
          (www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=105&STORY=/www/
        story/ 03-12-2002)

--AMP Incorporated (subsidiary):

         LApril 15, 1999: Placed on GSA schedule contract. 
        Under schedule 70, Federal agencies may purchase AMP's cable 
        and wiring products for up to $500,000 without seeking 
        additional bids.

                                                Foster Wheeler
                                                Engineering, 
                                                Environmental, &
                                                Construction Company.
                                                Inversion to Bermuda 
                                                completed
                                                on May 25, 2001.
                                                Total Federal Contracts 
                                                in excess
                                                of $600 Million.

         LOne of the top 10 Federal Contractors for Civilian 
        government agencies in 2000: Total 2000 award $52,713,000.

--Foster Wheeler Environmental Corporation (subsidiary):

         LFebruary 5, 2002: Contract awarded by the U.S. Navy, 
        to perform environmental cleanups at contaminated Navy and 
        Marine Corps installations. This was the third consecutive 
        award for this subsidiary. Award not to exceed $100 million.
         (www.corporateir.net/ireye/ir__site.zhtml?ticker= 
        fwc&script=414&layout=7&item__id=255272)
         LNovember 30, 1999: Contract awarded for 5-year 
        project by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to perform 
        environmental cleanup of ordnance and explosives at the former 
        U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command Facility at Fort 
        McClellan, Alabama. Total award $50 million.
          (www.fwc.com/news/rel-I 999/1991210b.cfm)
         LNovember 11, 1999: Contract awarded to build and 
        operate a dry spent nuclear fuel storage facility for the U.S. 
        Department on Energy, guaranteed through 2009, with the option 
        to handle other spent nuclear fuel. Facility to be owned 
        privately by Foster Wheeler and licensed by the NRC. Total 
        award $217 million.
          (http://newsdesk.inel/gov/contextnews.cfm?ID=51)
         LSeptember 27, 1999: Five-year contract awarded, with 
        renewal option, by the Federal Supply service of the U.S. 
        General Services Administration to provide environmental 
        advisory services to Federal agencies. Total award (with 
        renewal) $50 million.
          (www.fwc.com/news/rel__1999/19990927.cfm)
         LAugust 20, 1998: Ten-year contract awarded by the 
        U.S. Department of Energy to handle, treat, and repackage low-
        level radioactive waste at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Total 
        award $212 million.
          (www.em.doe.gov/em30/pvortwt.html)

                                                Ingersoll-Rand

                                                Industrial Equipment,
                                                Construction, and 
                                                Security.
                                                Inversion to Bermuda 
                                                completed
                                                on December 31, 2001.
                                                Total Federal Contracts 
                                                Worth:
                                                $3.8 million.

         LMarch 26, 2002: Company website lists variety of 
        products available for government agency purchase, including 
        forklifts and golf carts to the military and light towers to 
        the civilian agencies. Multi-year contract; award amount not 
        available.
          (www.irco.com/corpinfo/government__01.html)
         LAugust 8, 2001: Contract awarded by the U.S. 
        Department of Energy for research and development to provide a 
        refrigeration system for a new cooling, heating, and power 
        system as part of the Bush Administration's National Energy 
        Plan. Total award $2,305,469.
          (www.energy.gov/HQPress/releases01/augpr/pr01138__v.htm)

--LNorthern Research and Engineering Corporation, Ingersoll-Rand Energy 
Systems (subsidiary)

         LJuly 25, 2000: Contract awarded by the U.S. 
        Department of Energy for industrial combined heating, cooling, 
        and power products. Total contract award $1,457,863. 
        (www.energy.gov/HWPress/releases00/julpr/pr00201.htm)

                               

   STATEMENT OF THE HON. SCOTT MCINNIS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
              CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF COLORADO

    Mr. McINNIS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I too appreciate, as 
has been earlier communicated to you and the Ranking Member, 
your interest in this. As previously stated, we should point 
out again that even at this table as we now speak, we have two 
Republicans and two Democrats.
    This is a bipartisan issue. Our focus should not be a 
political focus in an election year, our focus should be on 
what is going on out there. The analogy, the best analogy I can 
see, is that it is like out at the ranch when you have got a 
bucket; you know you need a new bucket because the bucket has 
got some holes in it. But before we get the replacement bucket 
up to the ranch, we have got to use the one we have, and the 
first thing you do is plug the holes.
    When I talked with Congresswoman Johnson, her moratorium 
does exactly that. And I think there are good things in all of 
these bills. I am not locked in on one method. I, like the 
others here, am locked in on the fact that it isn't right. That 
is how you can simply put it. No matter how complicated these 
tax accountants like to make it, no matter what the Chairman of 
Stanley Works talks about, how it is justified to preserve jobs 
and and so forth, and so forth, the fact is it doesn't feel 
right, it doesn't look right, and frankly, it is not right.
    I introduced the first bill on this, and my focus really on 
this issue was not just on the reincorporation that we have 
seen going on in Bermuda and so on. My focus was also broader 
than that, and that is what is going on with intellectual 
property, for example, or the earnings which the Chairman and 
Ranking Member have both noted.
    I will give you an example. When we talk about intellectual 
property, you could have Stanley Works reincorporate in 
Bermuda, and then Bermuda takes possession of the name, the 
trade name Stanley Works; then license it to the American 
operations. The American operations pay for the rights to use 
the intellectual property or trademarked name of Stanley Works; 
it gets to deduct that as a business expense, and the earnings 
then go to Bermuda.
    I mean, this is going on across the country, and I am 
absolutely convinced that the amount of money that is leaving 
the borders of this country without bearing the appropriate 
share of the burden is grossly underestimated. I think there is 
a lot of money that is going because of corporate greed outside 
the borders of this country, and it is not just on 
reincorporations.
    So my hope today is that the panel looks at the issue--and 
I know you have, obviously, from the statements of the Chairman 
and the Ranking Member--but that we broaden this and take a 
look at the earnings stripping, and we take a look at the 
intellectual property and what is occurring out there.
    I would like to compliment Congresswoman Johnson. I have 
got some of these corporations, I am sure, in Colorado, but I 
was not driven to this by a particular corporation. I was 
reading an analysis on it. In fact, when I was overseas at a 
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) meeting, I was so 
upset by this that I actually called my staff from the NATO 
meeting and told them to look into it, and find out who in our 
body is kind of an in-house expert on it, and the first name 
that came up was Congresswoman Johnson. I have had numerous 
conversations with her. I have had conversations with Mr. Neal. 
I think we are prepared to do it if we can just come in with 
the right way to plug the holes in that bucket. Some of the 
holes are bigger than the other holes, and some of them may 
take a different type of fix, but, boy, we are leaking a lot of 
water.
    I would also point out the motivation behind a lot of this, 
despite what they say is the noble reason they are doing this, 
i.e., they want to save jobs or the tax system is unfair--I 
think probably the more realistic reason was stated by an 
accountant, and was earlier commented by the Ranking Member, 
the Ernst & Young tax partner that said, really the earnings 
are so powerful by doing this that patriotism has to take the 
back seat.
    I can tell you, Mr. Chairman, that when the Chairman of 
Stanley Works came to my office, which was a surprise to me 
that he would come to my office, but he did come to my office, 
I gave him a little wallet-sized list of the soldiers, both men 
and women, that we had lost to date in Afghanistan, and I asked 
him to put it in his wallet. So every time he talks about this, 
pull it out and give it consideration. What kind of obligation 
do these corporations have in this country?
    So, Mr. Chairman, in conclusion, we can get into the merits 
of each of our bills. They are very similar. They are obviously 
aimed at the same target. We are in agreement, and we have got 
to do something.
    So, Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the fact that you and the 
Ranking Member have given us this time in this hearing, and 
also want to publicly reacknowledge, as I have done a couple 
times in this statement, your particular conversations with me 
and your focus on plugging those holes, because where you come 
from and where I come from, we don't want that water going out 
of the bucket.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. McInnis follows:]
Statement of the Hon. Scott McInnis, a Representative in Congress from 
                         the State of Colorado
    Mr. Chairman, Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for holding 
this hearing on inversions, transactions where companies reincorporate 
offshore to avoid U.S. taxation. I had hoped to be able to offer some 
questions at the hearing in the full Ways and Means Committee on June 
6, but unfortunately was unable to do so. I look forward to today's 
opportunity to discuss the issues. I especially look forward to working 
with the Treasury Department and the Committee to address the plague of 
inversions that has visited itself on our country.
    Near the beginning of this year, I first became aware of inversion 
transactions, and frankly became incensed. On March 6, I introduced 
H.R. 3857, the first legislative proposal designed to target inversion 
transactions. My proposal would treat inverted companies as U.S. 
companies, ignoring the paper-thin transaction designed to avoid taxes. 
This bill has bipartisan support, including support from a number of 
Members of this Ways and Means Committee, including Rep. Nancy Johnson 
(CT). I also cosponsored H.R. 4756, Representative Nancy Johnson's bill 
that she introduced to impose a moratorium on these inversion 
transactions. It is clear from those facts that this is not a partisan 
issue or a political issue--and people should get over trying to make 
it one. Rather this is an issue of policy, and I am pleased that the 
Subcommittee will have the opportunity to discuss the policy issues 
here today.
    My bill is similar in design to several of the bills introduced 
afterwards, applying a two-level test to the transaction. The first is 
a clear bright line test based on a high level of stock ownership by 
the same owners following the inversion. The second, involves a lower 
level of ownership following the inversion, and sets out a three part 
test to distinguish transactions with little substance. The effective 
date on this legislation includes transactions completed on or after 
January 1, 2002. That date was not designed to include or exclude any 
particular company, but rather reflected fair warning to every company 
contemplating these tax avoidance techniques.
    As I have told anyone that asks me, my overriding goal is to end 
these inversions, the exact means of how that happens is less important 
to me than the result. I am absolutely willing to work on better ways 
to go about achieving that overriding goal. I am aiming a missile at 
inversions--but if that missile won't get the job done, then get me one 
that will--because that's the one I want to use. My goal in this case 
is about the end result, the end result that prevents these inversions 
from occurring, not about how we get there and not about who gets the 
credit along the way.
    When I was drafting my legislation, I sat down with my staff and 
sought out advice from recognized experts about how to address the 
issue. My legislation reflects some of that advice, but I am the first 
to admit that we have learned quite a bit about these transactions 
since February and early March of this year. I have become convinced 
that the most significant aspect driving these inversions is the 
ability to strip out U.S. earnings, via payments to the foreign parent 
for interest, dividends and the use or licensing of intangibles. On 
April 11 of this year, I announced that it was my intention to work to 
tighten the earnings stripping rules, so I have been on record for 
several months as recognizing the need to address earnings stripping.
    That earnings stripping was such a significant part of these 
transactions was not well understood in February. If we can take the 
financial incentive out of the transactions, then I am convinced that 
companies inverting to avoid taxes will cease. Moreover, as I have 
learned more about these transactions, it has become clear that if an 
inverted company can strip earnings to achieve a lower tax rate, so can 
an existing foreign company that owns a U.S. subsidiary. That issue 
needs to be addressed as well, because it will leave a large hole in 
any policy response to inversions if we just close one window but 
ignore the other window next to it that is wide open. I will continue 
to look into these complex transactions and work to refine and revise 
my approach as new information yields new facets of these transactions.
    A tax partner for a leading accounting firm, Ernst & Young, 
commenting on the current climate regarding inversions, noted that ``we 
are working through a lot of companies who feel that it is, that just 
the improvement on earnings is powerful enough that maybe the 
patriotism issue needs to take a back seat to that.'' I cannot disagree 
with this sentiment strongly enough. I cannot help but view this issue 
as a patriotic issue; this country provides tremendous liberties and 
protections to the employees of the companies that invert and the 
individuals who run these companies. We have a right to expect that 
everyone shoulders a fair share of the burden. Avoiding taxes just 
shifts the burden from these companies to every other American. Focus 
for a moment on the young men and women who are now fighting the War on 
Terrorism in Afghanistan and elsewhere. I would like to think that if 
these soldiers can shoulder their burden, we can expect our companies 
to shoulder their own fair share. Of course these companies should 
preserve American jobs, but tax avoidance is not the way.
    To give you some perspective from the common man, as I have 
traveled Colorado discussing this issue, I have had small business 
owners ask me how they can reduce their effective tax rates by 10%, 
like the inverted companies do. You're out of luck, I tell them. I have 
supported legislation that gives these small businesses lower tax 
rates. I am all for reducing the taxpayers' burden, but for everyone, 
not just the select few companies that have little concern for the 
sacrifices made by many to allow us the freedoms we hold dear.
    We should consider the competitiveness issue from the perspective 
of a small or midsize business that is trying to compete with an 
organization that avoids U.S. taxation by stripping out any U.S. 
earnings. How is a small or midsize business to compete against that 
kind of 10% margin advantage? We on the Ways and Means Committee should 
stop the politics and get down to the tough business of figuring out 
how to help the people who work for and own those small and mid-size 
business--because the real competitiveness issue is how they can 
compete to sell their products and services against some other company 
with a 10% advantage.
    Many have noted that inversions are a symptom of the U.S. Tax 
Code's flaws, especially our international tax provisions, which I 
agree are tremendously complex and burdensome. Many of the companies 
which have chosen to turn their back on this country argue that the Tax 
Code drove them to take the action. One response has been that the U.S. 
international tax system should be reformed to address the complexity 
and fairness of the Internal Revenue Code and address the problem.
    The way I view this issue is best illustrated by considering a 
person who has a bucket that has sprung leaks. The first thing you do 
is plug the leaks, then you work on how to get a new bucket and make 
decisions about what kind of bucket to get. I propose to plug the leaks 
in our international tax system that are inversions, and I agree we can 
and should work on fixing the larger and more complicated problem of 
how the Tax Code's complexity could lead to inequities and make the 
U.S. tax system less competitive.
    I would also like to highlight an oversight or unclear provision 
regarding the requirement that shareholders pay capital gains upon a 
company inverting. That is the current law, but many shareholders may 
have no idea, and that is because there is absolutely no clear 
requirement that individual shareholders receive a Form 1099 that tells 
them there has been some event that might trigger capital gains tax. I 
have a strong suspicion that many innocent shareholders don't even 
realize that the company they own some shares in has inverted. That 
information reporting requirement needs to be fixed.
    I would also take issue on a related point made by some companies 
which claim that the U.S. taxpayer is not losing out in these 
inversions. Some companies have claimed that the capital gains received 
on the transaction will make up for years of reduced taxes the company 
will pay--implying the U.S. taxpayer won't see any loss for years. Fact 
is, this argument ignores that a large percentage of the shareholders 
of these companies are held by either tax exempt or tax deferred 
vehicles, like pension plans, 401(k) plans or IRAs. Those shares won't 
be paying any capital gains, and in one inversion case I know of, just 
over 50% of the shares were held in accounts that do not pay capital 
gains on the transaction. I also would note that it is a lot easier to 
get the necessary shareholder vote if such a large percentage of 
shareholders aren't paying any toll charge, another reason I have 
doubts about the significance of the votes that authorize these 
transactions.
    Finally, I am very pleased that the Treasury Department was able to 
produce its report in such a short time period. The Bush Administration 
has taken these transactions seriously, and worked to produce a 
meaningful look at the transactions and the causes and possible cures. 
In that report, the Treasury Department noted that earnings stripping 
and the transfer of intangibles are both significant components of 
these transactions; I don't think our current limitations on earnings 
stripping are working well, otherwise, why would these companies take 
these steps to take advantage of the transaction. I would like to work 
with the experts who know the Tax Code inside and out, like the 
Treasury Department, to fix this problem.
    In conclusion, I very much appreciate Chairman McCrery scheduling 
today's hearing on inversions. This is an important issue for the Ways 
and Means Committee to consider. This is not a partisan issue, it is an 
issue of how to ensure our tax laws are applied in a fair and 
consistent manner--to everyone. I look forward to the other testimony 
and to working with the Committee, the Department of Treasury and 
others to address this problem.

                               

    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. McInnis. Mr. Maloney.

  STATEMENT OF THE HON. JAMES H. MALONEY, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
             CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT

    Mr. MALONEY. Thank you, Chairman McCrery, Ranking Member 
McNulty, and Members of the Subcommittee, and thank you for 
holding this hearing.
    It is my sincere hope that this Subcommittee will move 
quickly to pass H.R. 3884, the ``Corporate Patriot Enforcement 
Act of 2002,'' referred to as the Neal-Maloney legislation.
    As I am sure the Subcommittee is aware, on June 18, the 
Senate Committee on Finance passed the Grassley-Bachus bill. 
Clearly, this issue has bipartisan support and deserves quick 
action in the House. In fact, the Neal-Maloney bill, which is 
very similar to the Grassley-Bachus bill, already--as Mr. Neal 
indicated--has over 100 bipartisan cosponsors, and we continue 
to add more virtually every day.
    So-called corporate expatriates are former U.S. companies 
who set up paper headquarters in tax havens to avoid U.S. 
taxes. Some of these expatriates are even using third 
countries, such as Barbados, with which the U.S. Government has 
tax treaties, in order to avoid paying virtually all of their 
tax obligations. These companies continue in fact to reside in 
the United States, take advantage of our Federal, State, and 
local services such as police, fire, and public schools, and, 
of course, they still rely on the protection of our courageous 
armed services here at home and around the world. The only 
difference is they now get it all for free, while U.S. citizens 
and loyal U.S. companies are paying the bill.
    This is outrageous and must be permanently stopped. These 
Bermuda tax avoidance schemes are especially unpatriotic in 
light of our recent and current and economic national security 
situation. The Wall Street Journal reported on June 4 that the 
Federal deficit could total as much as $200 billion next year. 
The huge Federal surplus we had only a year ago has been wiped 
out. Critical programs like Social Security and Medicare are in 
serious jeopardy just as the largest generation in our history 
is getting ready to retire. In addition, as our country 
continues its war on terrorism, all of our citizens, elected 
officials, and corporations should remain united and committed 
to defending our homeland and eliminating terrorism.
    Corporate expatriates are saying that profit gained from 
tax avoidance is more important than the security and well-
being of our country, and they could not be more wrong.
    The Treasury Department, while recognizing the problem, has 
argued that we need to study the issue. Others have proposed a 
temporary stop-gap measure that would only extend through the 
end of next year.
    We must not wait. Certainly the tax system needs to be 
reformed, but there is no reason that fixing the immediate 
problem needs to be contingent upon changing the entire system. 
If your house, which may be in need of remodeling, also has a 
fire in the attic, you don't do the remodeling first. Instead 
you put out the fire immediately and then move on to the longer 
range tasks.
    This is precisely the case here. We need to put out the 
raging fire of this expatriate tax abuse, and then move on to 
remodel our Tax Code. The calls for delay or study are nothing 
more but sham excuses for failing to take the action so 
obviously and urgently required.
    So, also in regard to any stop-gap measure, a nationally 
syndicated Boston Globe columnist recently wrote, quote: ``. . 
. the proposal for a moratorium is so sneaky and pernicious . . 
. no one can argue why phony expatriation to avoid taxes is 
good for the United States or for anyone except the executive 
officers of the companies who do it. So why have a moratorium 
when a flat-out ban is what is needed?''
    I strongly agree. In addition, a stop-gap bill will not 
ensure that all U.S. corporations are playing by the same 
rules. Indeed, a stop-gap approach actually allows the 
situation to get worse. It maintains the disparity in tax 
treatment, while sending the wrong message--that the Congress 
is not really serious about this problem, but is merely trying 
to let the issues slide until after the election.
    These tax schemes are a cancer on the American Tax Code. 
They need to be eliminated now. Every day we wait, the 
situation only gets worse. You certainly would not start 
treatment for cancer and then abruptly stop after 12 months. 
You work to get rid of the problem once and for all. Of course, 
the stop-gap may seek to serve as an election year gimmick, but 
it does not solve the problem. A stop-gap measure is a clear 
breach of our responsibility to act effectively in the interest 
of the American people.
    In addition, the proposed stop-gap legislation would not 
apply to those companies who expatriated before September 11. 
Why would we allow those who expatriated before September 11 to 
continue to escape their tax obligations? We certainly should 
not allow expatriated companies to maintain indefinitely a tax 
advantage over American companies that are loyal to our 
country. In contrast to the stop-gap proposal, the Neal-Maloney 
bill fixes the problem permanently and restores all U.S. 
corporations to a uniform, level tax policy.
    The Neal-Maloney bill will end this unpatriotic tax dodge 
once and for all, and I urge immediate action on the bill. 
Thank you very much.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Maloney follows:]
 Statement of the Hon. James H. Maloney, a Representative in Congress 
                     from the State of Connecticut
    Chairman McCrery, Ranking Member McNulty, and Members of the 
Subcommittee, thank you for holding this hearing, and thank you for 
allowing me the opportunity to appear before you today.
    It is my sincere hope that the Subcommittee, and in turn the full 
Committee, will move quickly to pass H.R. 3884, the ``Corporate Patriot 
Enforcement Act of 2002'' (commonly referred to as the Neal-Maloney 
bill), bring it to the floor of the House, and end the outrageous 
corporate expatriation tax dodge, both immediately and permanently.
    As I am sure the Subcommittee is aware, on June 18, 2002, the 
Senate Finance Committee passed The Grassley-Baucus bill, the Reversing 
the Expatriation of Profits Offshore Act, S. 2119 (REPO). Clearly, this 
issue has bipartisan support and deserves quick action in the House. In 
fact, the Neal-Maloney bill, which is very similar to the Grassley-
Baucus bill, already has over 100 bipartisan cosponsors, and we 
continue adding more.
    So called ``corporate expatriates'' are former U.S. companies who 
set up paper headquarters in tax havens in order to avoid U.S. taxes. 
For little more than the cost of a post office box in an offshore tax 
haven like Bermuda, U.S. companies are trying to avoid millions of 
dollars in Federal income taxes. Some of these expatriates are even 
using third countries, with which the U.S. Government has tax treaties, 
in order to avoid paying virtually ALL of their tax obligations.
    These companies continue to reside in the United States, take 
advantage of our infrastructure, our education system, our water 
systems, Federal, state, and local services such as police, fire, and 
public schools, and, of course, they still rely on the protection of 
our courageous Armed Services, here at home, and around the world. The 
only difference is: they now get it all for free, while U.S. citizens 
and loyal U.S. companies are paying the bill. Some of America's largest 
corporations have engaged in such transactions, including Tyco, 
Ingersoll-Rand, and Global Crossings. Ironically, some of these same 
companies have large contracts to provide goods and services to the 
Federal Government. Now they are saying they don't want to pay their 
fair share of U.S. taxes. This is outrageous, and must be permanently 
stopped.
    These Bermuda tax avoidance schemes are especially unpatriotic in 
light of our current economic and national security situation. We are 
now seeing a major, growing budget deficit. The Wall Street Journal 
reported on June 4, 2002, that the Federal deficit could total as much 
as $200 billion next year. The huge Federal surplus we had only a year 
ago has been wiped-out. Corporate expatriates contribute to the 
growing, long-term budget deficit problem. Critical programs like 
Social Security and Medicare are in serious jeopardy just as the 
largest generation in the history of this country is getting ready to 
retire. In addition, as our country continues its war on terrorism, and 
makes efforts to improve homeland security, all or our citizens, 
elected officials, and corporations should remain united and committed 
to defending our homeland and eliminating terrorism. Corporate 
expatriates are saying that profit gained from tax avoidance is more 
important than the security and well-being of our country.
    More and more companies are contemplating such abusive tax dodges, 
as aggressive consultants and legal firms try to sell their clients 
this unpatriotic scheme. In an effort to stem the tide, Congressman 
Richard Neal of Massachusetts and I introduced legislation on March 6, 
2002, to close the expatriate tax loophole. Our legislation is quite 
simple. It states that if you are, in fact, a domestic U.S. 
corporation, you are subject to U.S. corporate income tax, wherever you 
locate your nominal headquarters. Importantly, our legislation, with an 
effective date of September 11, 2001, will end this unfair tax dodge 
permanently.
    A second important provision of our legislation would restore the 
tax obligations of those companies that expatriated before 9/11. Our 
legislation would give such companies until 2004 to come into 
compliance. This provision, in turn, ensures that all U.S. corporations 
play by the same rules, with no one having a tax advantage.

    The U.S. Treasury Department, while recognizing the problem, has 
argued that we need to study the issue. Others have proposed a 
temporary, stop-gap measure that would only extend through the end of 
next year.
    We must not wait. Certainly, the tax system needs to be reformed. 
But there is no reason that fixing the immediate problem needs to be 
contingent upon reforming the entire system. If your house, which may 
be in need of remodeling, also has a fire in the attic, you don't do 
the remodeling first. Instead, you put out the fire immediately, and 
then move on to the longer range tasks. This is precisely the case 
here: we need to put out the raging fire of this expatriate tax abuse--
and then move on to remodel our Tax Code. The calls for delay or a 
study are nothing but sham excuses for failing to take the action so 
obviously and urgently required.
    So also in regard to any stop-gap measure: a nationally-syndicated 
Boston Globe columnist recently wrote, ``. . . the proposal for a 
moratorium is so sneaky and pernicious. . . . No one can argue why 
phony expatriation to avoid taxes is good for the U.S. or good for 
anybody except the executive officers of companies who do it. So why 
have a moratorium when a flat-out ban is what's needed?'' (May 28, 
2002). I strongly agree. In addition, a stop-gap bill will not ensure 
that all U.S. corporations are playing by the same rules. Indeed, a 
stop-gap approach actually allows the situation to get worse. It 
maintains the disparity in tax treatment, while sending the wrong 
message--that the Congress is not really serious about this problem, 
but is merely trying to let the issue slide until after the election.
    These tax schemes are a cancer on the American Tax Code. They need 
to be eliminated now. Every day we wait, the situation only gets worse. 
And you certainly would not start treatment for cancer and then 
abruptly stop after 12 months. You work to get rid of the problem once 
and for all! Of course, a stop-gap may seek to serve as an election 
year gimmick--but it does not solve the problem. A stop-gap measure is 
a clear breach of our responsibility to act effectively in the interest 
of the American people.
    In addition, the proposed stop-gap legislation would not apply to 
those companies that expatriated before September 11, 2001. Why would 
we allow those who expatriated before September 11, 2001, to continue 
to escape their tax obligations? We certainly should not allow 
expatriated companies to maintain indefinitely a tax advantage over 
American companies that are loyal to our country. In contrast to the 
stop-gap proposal, the Neal-Maloney bill fixes the problem permanently, 
and restores all U.S. corporations to a uniform, level tax policy.
    It should be stressed that these expatriate tax schemes are 
seriously detrimental to many of the companies' own shareholders. 
Corporations are supposed to act in the interests of their 
shareholders; here they are not. Under these expatriation schemes, 
individual shareholders will have to recognize capital gains taxes on 
the value of their shares at the time of reincorporation, and make 
immediate payment of those taxes to the IRS. For example, Stanley Works 
has admitted that if they were to reincorporate in Bermuda it would 
cost their shareholders $150 million in immediate capital gains taxes. 
Thus, Stanley is merely shifting its tax burden to individual 
shareholders. The New York Times recently reported on the scope of this 
slight-of-hand, stating, ``[e]ven if their shares rose 11.5%, they [the 
Stanley shareholders] will barely break even after taxes'' (May 20, 
2002).
    For the smaller investors, retirees, and those nearing retirement, 
this will be an especially onerous burden--one they cannot afford. One 
retired Stanley Works machinist shared with me that he would face an 
estimated tax bill of $17,000. As any retiree will tell you, having to 
pay a bill of that magnitude threatens their financial security when 
they need it most. For those facing these payments, where will they get 
the resources to pay the tax? They will be forced to borrow the money 
from a bank, take out a second mortgage, dip into their 401Ks (thereby 
incurring additional taxes and penalties), or take other detrimental 
action. This tax shift from corporations to individuals is patently 
unfair and must be stopped now and permanently.

    Finally, the New York Times recently reported that the Stanley 
Works CEO ``. . . stands to pocket an amount equal to 58 cents of each 
dollar the company would save in corporate income taxes in the first 
year.'' (May 20, 2002) That is $17.4 million of an estimated $30 
million in `savings' out of the U.S. Treasury, and into the CEO's 
personal checking account. In the same story, the NY Times reported 
that the Stanley CEO is also eligible for additional stock options 
under the current plan, and that he could gain another $385 million by 
exercising those options.
    Let's close this loophole and stop this unfair shift of taxes from 
corporations to individuals. The Neal-Maloney bill is the solution to 
the problem. The legislation is straight-forward: if you are, in fact, 
a domestic U.S. corporation, you are subject to U.S. corporate income 
tax, wherever you locate your nominal headquarters. Secondly, our 
legislation would recapture those companies that have already 
expatriated by giving them until 2004 to come into compliance. This 
provision ensures that all U.S. corporations are playing by the same 
rules, and that no one has a tax advantage. Our legislation will end 
this unpatriotic tax dodge once and for all. I urge immediate action on 
H.R. 3884, the Neal-Maloney bill.

                               

    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. Maloney, and thank all of 
you for your testimony.
    As is tradition in these hearings when we have Members 
testify, I am not going to ask you any tough questions. I am 
going to save those for the experts that will follow, but I do 
have a couple of thoughts, though, as I listen to you all. You 
all may not know it, but since you have highlighted this issue, 
I have taken an interest in it and done some studying, listened 
to a lot of tax experts, economists, and others who have looked 
at this situation. I have to tell you that in examining all of 
the legislation that you all have introduced, including the 
moratorium, I find flaws with each approach, and I hope that 
you all will listen to the questions that I and others will ask 
of the experts who follow you in the next panel, because I am 
going to try to bring out some of the flaws that I see in your 
legislation, not because I want to denigrate your efforts or 
stop the effort to do something about the problem. As I have 
said repeatedly, I think it is a problem, we ought to do 
something about it, but I don't want us, the Congress, to do 
something about it in a way that would have consequences that 
we may not foresee without more careful examination. That is 
not to say, Mr. Maloney, that I want to delay. I want to do 
this as expeditiously as possible, and I want to do it this 
year. But I don't know that it is necessary for us to just do 
it right now before we have really fully examined all of the 
consequences that may follow our actions.
    For example, if we were to enact the moratorium, it would, 
as Mr. Maloney said, kind of freeze in place the advantages 
that some companies have gained by expatriation. On the other 
hand, if we go with the Neal-Maloney bill, it seems to me that 
there may be greater incentive for foreign takeover of American 
corporations, which is not what we want, I don't think. That in 
many respects is worse than expatriation or inversion, because 
generally speaking, when foreign companies take over American 
companies, we lose jobs as a result of that, and good, high-
paying jobs. We lose research and development. We lose 
executives.
    So I think those are the things that we all need to talk 
about and examine before we come up with a solution. Again, I 
want to congratulate all of you for getting out there and 
putting something forward to draw attention to the problem. I 
do think we ought to just go a little slow for at least a few 
days and think about this as a group before we go forward.
    Mr. McNulty.
    Mr. McNULTY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And unlike the 
Chairman, I think that my opening statement reveals my bias and 
support on a couple of these approaches. I just wanted to 
highlight something that I heard Mr. Neal say at the end of his 
prepared statement, and I want to make sure that we have this 
in the record. Congressman Neal, did you say that you have 
identified over $2 billion in government contracts by some of 
these corporations?
    Mr. NEAL. That is correct.
    Mr. McNULTY. How many corporations were involved in that 
list you compiled, approximately?
    Mr. NEAL. They are not numbered here, but I have them. We 
have five on a contracting basis.
    Mr. McNULTY. Okay, fine. I just think it is ironic that 
these corporate expatriates are relying so heavily on 
government funds. Did we get unanimous consent, Mr. Chairman, 
to put that in the record?
    Chairman McCRERY. Yes.
    Mr. McNULTY. So make sure that list is in the record. Thank 
you. I thank all of the Members for their testimony.
    Chairman McCRERY. Mr. Foley.
    Mr. FOLEY. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I would like 
to see if any of the panelists would answer the following 
question. Eighty percent of the transactions valued over $300 
million involve foreign companies buying U.S. firms. Do any of 
your bills deal with foreign companies buying U.S. firms?
    Mr. NEAL. Can I give you a little bit longer answer to 
that, Mr. Foley?
    Mr. FOLEY. Not too long. We obviously only have 5 minutes.
    Mr. NEAL. Right. Look, the argument that I have in this 
instance with the question of what is wrong with the corporate 
Tax Code is based upon what I heard back in 1994 from the 
election season. When I came to the Committee at that time, 
after having been out of it for 2 years, all we heard here was 
what we were going to do about the corporate Tax Code. We had 
leaders of this Committee saying we were going to pull the Tax 
Code up by its roots. We had others saying we were going to 
drive a stake through the heart of the Tax Code. We were going 
to a long funeral procession for the Tax Code.
    I understand there may well be problems with the corporate 
Tax Code. But for those of us who are watching this train pull 
out of the station, where President Bush has correctly said we 
are in a state of war and war calls for a national purpose, we 
all sacrifice and pull that train together, what troubles me is 
that it becomes simply an excuse to study it for a while 
longer.
    I am happy to get into a full-scale debate about the 
corporate Tax Code, but I don't see any evidence, based upon 
the last 8 years, or the time that I was on this Committee 
before that, that we were really about to disturb the Tax Code 
in any major way to address this issue.
    Mr. FOLEY. Did anybody on the panel, did you--you are a 
Member of the Committee--offer legislation to change the Tax 
Code from its high 35 percent----
    Mr. NEAL. Mark, I stick to the position of progressivity 
and have in tax debates, and I will say that we heard from the 
Committee Chairman at the time, that we were going to move to a 
consumption tax. The Majority Leader said we were going to move 
to a flat tax. This room was packed with people who wanted to 
hear where we were heading. And the truth is--I think we all 
would agree on this, at least quietly, we may not be able to 
agree on it publicly but we would agree on it quietly--we are 
no closer today to make any structural changes in the Tax Code 
than we were then.
    Mr. FOLEY. Well, I think we have a significant obligation. 
I would like to find out, though, if we are going to publish 
lists of corporations that are apparently unpatriotic, should 
we be, in the Federal Government, buying Chryslers?
    Mr. NEAL. Mark, can I ask you something on that? What are 
you suggesting by ``apparently unpatriotic''? Do you think they 
are unpatriotic?
    Mr. FOLEY. Well, I think we have allowed, through the Tax 
Code, opportunities to minimize their taxable obligations.
    Mr. NEAL. Do you think they are unpatriotic?
    Mr. FOLEY. I don't like them leaving our shores, no 
question.
    Mr. NEAL. I think they are unpatriotic.
    Mr. FOLEY. We can also make the claim that a citizen 
leaving Connecticut to move to Florida, because we have no 
income tax, is unpatriotic to its home State of Connecticut.
    Mrs. JOHNSON OF CONNECTICUT. Mr. Foley, I would like to 
just comment on your question. As a Member of the Committee, I 
want the record to note that the Chairman of the Committee 
convened a series of four quite extensive seminars in which all 
Members of the Committee had an opportunity to review the 
seriousness of the problems facing our country in the 
international arena. It is a problem so serious, that we are as 
close to a trade war with Europe as I have ever seen.
    I would remind this body that when Reagan was President and 
Rostenkowski was Chairman of this Committee, we did pass a tax 
bill that dropped corporate taxes in such a way that our 
companies were insulated from foreign takeovers, and, in fact, 
foreign capital poured into America in a positive way.
    So it is perfectly possible for us to do what has to be 
done to defend American jobs, but what came out of that seminar 
that was very concerning to a lot of us. I asked each panelist 
at each meeting about the issue of permanently closing this 
loophole and the moratorium, and all of them agreed that we had 
to at least do the moratorium. There was tremendous 
disagreement about whether we should close one loophole without 
doing the others. The gist of the matter was an absolutely 
startling chart that one of the people who presented at those 
seminars showed us about the increased rate at which 
corporations in America are being bought by foreign companies, 
as opposed to American companies buying foreign companies, and 
we are up to something like 80 percent of those mergers being 
foreign-owned.
    Now, DaimlerChrysler is foreign-owned because of our Tax 
Code. They sat right here 2 years ago and told us that. And now 
when DaimlerChrysler is in trouble, who is making the decisions 
about what jobs are going to be cut, what R&D is going to be 
eliminated? It is the Germans, not the Americans. So this is a 
very big issue, and that is why I suggested a moratorium.
    I don't want companies to reincorporate in Bermuda. It is 
not right. They need to pay their fair share of American taxes. 
We may need to be sure that we stop them in a way that doesn't 
expose our companies to foreign takeovers, because foreign 
companies who buy American companies don't have to pay those 
taxes. This is a big and important issue. This is about 
American jobs. It is about the strength of our economy, and I 
don't--I hope that this Subcommittee will move on all fronts, 
and that is why I introduced the moratorium. Thank you.
    Chairman McCRERY. Before I move to Mr. Brady, let me make 
clear to my good friend, Mr. Neal, this Chairman of this 
Subcommittee is not proposing, as much as I would like to, a 
massive overhaul of our tax system. I agree with you. It is not 
going to happen any time soon. I think it should, but I am not 
going to waste a lot of time urging it. That is not what I am 
talking about when I say we need to examine together 
opportunities to change the Tax Code that will not only 
discourage or stop the inversions, the corporate inversions, 
but also guard against foreign companies taking over American 
companies and not only taking tax revenue out of this country 
but jobs out of this country. We can do that, I think, without 
a massive overhaul of the Tax Code. So let us get together and 
try to agree on some commonsense, smaller changes than the ones 
you referred to, and then I think we can make some progress.
    Mr. Brady.
    Mr. BRADY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate this 
important hearing, and the testimony of all four Members of 
Congress, who are here for the right reasons.
    A number of companies headquartered in our region, the 
Houston region, most of them oil and gas service businesses, 
have announced or completed corporate moves to be incorporated 
overseas. I may not like it, but the hard truth is that Houston 
companies have incorporated overseas in order to compete fairly 
and to endure. As a result, a lot of good manufacturing and 
research jobs in the Houston region have been preserved and 
created as a result of corporate inversion.
    Let me say that again. Corporate inversions have saved good 
jobs in Houston and will create more of them. That doesn't make 
me like it any more. In fact, I think we need to address this. 
The fact of the matter is that they have been driven overseas 
but have kept the jobs here.
    It seems to me the Congress has a choice. We can ignore the 
root cause, which is Washington's backward Tax Code, and we 
could leave very solid American companies vulnerable to foreign 
firms, or we can create a smarter, fair way to tax these 
companies that keeps American jobs in towns here.
    Mr. Maloney, I know you talked and used a good analogy 
about it is time to put the fire out, but the fact of the 
matter is this is about the tenth fire in the kitchen, and 
while we are putting it out, we probably ought to look at what 
is causing these fires. That is what this Subcommittee is 
intent to do: both address the short term, but use common sense 
and think through the long-term reason for this.
    This is a lot like, unfortunately, our seniors who have to 
go overseas--to Mexico or Canada--to buy prescription drugs 
they can afford. I don't like the fact they have to go there, 
but I know there is a reason for it. I know there is a reason 
these companies are reincorporating overseas.
    I am real impressed that this Subcommittee is taking a 
good, thoughtful approach in looking at this, because I think 
in the end, like most of our tax issues that deal with America 
versus other countries and that competition, Republicans, 
Democrats, we are going to have to put our best heads together 
to work this out.
    With that, I would yield back the balance of my time.
    Mr. MALONEY. Mr. Chairman, if I could just respond to Mr. 
Brady's comment on the issue of the need for fundamental change 
and fundamental reform, I could not agree with you more. 
Absolutely, I agree with you. I hope and trust that the 
Subcommittee proceeds in that direction.
    I thought the Chairman's comments were very appropriate in 
terms of addressing some of the other issues that arise because 
of these corporate expatriations. My point is simply that we 
cannot put off doing that work. We cannot put off looking at 
foreign takeovers, and we cannot put off looking at structural 
reforms of the Tax Code. We can't use the corporate inversion 
situation as an excuse to put it off.
    We have to still address the corporate inversion, the 
corporate expatriation problem. That has to be addressed. If we 
address the other issues simultaneously, that is fine, but 
doing one shouldn't be an excuse for failing to do the other.
    Mr. BRADY. I agree. And what is important, too, that we not 
rush into a bill. For example, I look at your bill and I think 
it has got some good parts to it, but it has got real flaws. I 
think we hand a huge advantage to foreign companies under this 
bill. but I think if we work together to think through and pick 
out the best parts of the different approaches, we might have a 
chance at really putting this fire out, once and for all.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. Brady. Mr. Ryan.
    Mr. RYAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think it is important 
that we do look at these structural problems.
    You know, Nancy, when you talked about the Rostenkowski-
Reagan tax bill, what they did then was lower our corporate tax 
rates so that our companies were more competitive, and then we 
kept jobs. What has happened since then is that our competing 
nations have since lowered their tax rates, so U.S. tax rates 
are higher than our competitor's now. So this thing has come 
around full circle.
    The concern I have with each of these bills--not as much 
with the moratorium, but with each of these bills--is you are 
going to go out and you are going to ban one form or one kind 
of inversion. That may be a headline grabber, but the problem 
is you can always get an intelligent tax lawyer to find a way 
around the ban you just drafted.
    And the other problem is, rather than trying to try and 
stop inversions at the consequence end and at the result end, 
you are going to simply set up more foreign takeovers. It has 
already been mentioned a few times, but if we try and put up 
barriers to inversions, penalize inversions, you are simply 
going to make it easy for our companies to be purchased and 
acquired by foreign countries, foreign competitors.
    The other problem that I see is we need to address the 
``juice,'' we need to address the source of these things. So 
that does not mean fundamental tax reform, as much as many of 
us would like to engage in that, that means writing intelligent 
legislation that can be done this year, that can really address 
the source of these inversions, so that you don't have to go 
around chasing the consequence, the end result. That is, I 
think, the more intelligent approach that I hope all of us can 
come together.
    I think the four of you have done a great service in 
bringing the issue to fruition. I think that your bills are 
intelligently written, in some ways. However, I am concerned 
that there are a lot of unintended consequences that will 
result from this, but I would invite comments.
    Sure. I think Mr. Neal, first, wanted to. Then, Scott.
    Mr. NEAL. Thanks, Paul. Just briefly, I am glad Mrs. 
Johnson highlighted Reagan and Rostenkowski. Is there anybody 
sitting up there today that believes in this atmosphere that a 
Reagan-Rostenkowski bipartisan deal could be done? That was a 
different era in the Congress. That was an entirely different 
era.
    One of the things that Rostenkowski did here--and I had 
dinner with him the other night, he is as proud of that tax act 
as anything that ever happened on his watch here. Rostenkowski 
had a lot of Republicans that voted with him. He could 
regularly get Republicans on this Committee to vote with him. I 
haven't seen many Democrats that are even asked on this 
Committee to vote with them, or even allowed once in a while to 
have a victory on this Committee.
    Mr. RYAN. You know, Richie, to allow a Democrat to vote for 
a Republican tax bill, it just means the Democrat has to vote 
for a Republican tax bill. It just means that you want to 
participate in reforming the Tax Code. So I think this 
Subcommittee--and I am the new guy on the Subcommittee--has 
become so much more partisan, but I think that the 
partisanship, not just in this Committee but in the Congress, 
has been absolutely opposed to fundamental tax reform.
    So, yes, while you have heard the Majority speak about 
fundamental tax reform, tried to act on it, you have had every 
door closed by the Minority on that issue, and, therefore, we 
haven't reached much progress on this.
    Mr. McInnis.
    Mr. McINNIS. Thank you, Mr. Ryan.
    I would like to point out to Mr. Neal, there has been a 
politically driven attack against Representative Johnson's 
moratorium and that is coming from one side of the aisle. 
Frankly, we heard in our opening comments from the gentleman 
that sits to my left, who does not sit on the Committee on Ways 
and Means, has not come to the intense briefings that we have 
had on this, and I think it is an unfortunate reflection. So 
you are right. You bring up one side, I will bring you the 
other one.
    I think this moratorium has some sense to it, because this 
issue is extremely complicated. The more I got into it, the 
more I found more ways that they could go around the very 
mission that we were trying to accomplish, and, you know, 
whether it is corporate takeovers, I think the foundation here 
is our earnings stripping. I think that is where the biggest 
issue is.
    So I just want to comment on your statement, does a 
Democrat ever get to do this? I mean, the whole assault on the 
moratorium is coming from one side of the aisle. Not from you, 
Mr. Neal; you and I have been able to work together. But I 
think it is going to require some bipartisan--from some people 
who deal with it on a daily basis, a bipartisan effort. We can 
do it, and we can move fairly quickly on it.
    Mr. RYAN. I yield.
    Chairman McCRERY. Before I recognize Mr. McNulty for 
another round of questions, let me repeat, we are not going to 
do a 1986 Tax Act. So forget about it. You can put your mind at 
ease. We are not going to undertake that. Mr. Neal is right. We 
couldn't do it right now, but we do need to fix this problem. 
So let us just cool it and start talking about some things that 
we can do, rather than things that we can't do, and maybe we 
will get something accomplished together.
    Mr. McNulty.
    Mr. McNULTY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before I ask just one 
more question, I think there is another thing we ought to cool 
it on, and that is questioning the motives of Members who 
testify before this Subcommittee, whether they are Members of 
the Committee or not. I note, Mr. Chairman, that under your 
watch, that has never occurred before. In my opinion, all four 
of these Members came before this Subcommittee today with very 
sincere and strongly held views, and expressed them quite 
admirably. I will defend their right to do that, whether they 
are a Member of the Committee or not.
    I just had one other question for Mr. Neal. The question 
was brought up about possible foreign takeovers. Mr. Neal, in 
your opinion, were any of the companies that were cited on your 
list in danger of being taken over by a foreign company?
    Mr. NEAL. No. I think it is kind of interesting that in the 
press release--I think the four of us, by the way, agree about 
Stanley Works. I think the four of us are in total agreement 
about Stanley Works. I want to say that I think that what 
strikes me about Stanley Works is the press release. They said 
they were leaving because of corporate taxes. They weren't 
leaving because they were in danger of being taken over.
    The second thing I was party to last week, as I did a TV 
interview with Bloomberg News on this, Stanley Works went out 
and hired a PR firm to explain this and to parade the 
leadership of that company around this town to the radio and TV 
stations, and then tried to back away when they found out the 
questioning was so hostile to what they were attempting to do.
    So I am not aware of anybody that was endangered on this, 
and I think that for a press release to say, hey, we are 
leaving because of corporate taxes or we are leaving because of 
our tax burden, that was the suggestion that was clearly put in 
front of all of us. I have got to tell you, that press release 
really got me worked up, as you can tell.
    Mr. McNULTY. Thank you, Mr. Neal. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman McCRERY. Mr. Weller.
    Mr. WELLER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for 
conducting this hearing. You have held a very worthwhile series 
of hearings this year on looking at international aspects as 
well as things we should be doing to make the corporate Tax 
Code more user-friendly and helping make the United States a 
better place to do business; to grow and prosper and create and 
produce, as well as a place to work. I commend you for this 
series of hearings, and I recognize this is just one more in a 
series of hearings on issues that we on the Subcommittee are 
here to address.
    I also want to thank my colleagues on the panel today for 
participating. Three of you I serve with on this Committee are 
all very thoughtful and hardworking Members and represent your 
point of view and work very hard. The other gentlemen I don't 
know quite as well, but I appreciate your participating as well 
as in this hearing.
    The concern I have got is as we look at this issue, I think 
that the whole issue of inversions really illustrates a problem 
we have. Why is it that the United States is no longer an 
attractive place to do business or to headquarter your company? 
I think that is a fair question to ask. If it is really to your 
advantage to go somewhere else, something is wrong. I think we 
have millions of loyal Americans who are entrepreneurs and 
create new businesses and are proud to build their business and 
hope to pass on the family business to their kids, and we 
certainly want to create the kind of climate that gives 
everyone an opportunity to achieve that.
    But the question is: What is it about our Tax Code that 
actually drives business decisionmakers to want to relocate 
their headquarters elsewhere? Some clearly have made a decision 
we don't like, which is the issue that is before us today, and 
legislation has been introduced in response to that. Of course, 
it is an election year. I think we have to be very careful as 
we look at this issue that we choose not to make a political 
response to the issue, but we very thoughtfully and very 
carefully come forward with good policy that, frankly, makes 
the United States a more attractive place to do business. We 
want to do business here.
    Mr. Maloney, you indicated in response to one of my other 
colleague's questions that you are a supporter of overhauling 
the corporate Tax Code, and since you are not a Member of the 
Committee, I thought I would give you an opportunity. If we 
look at overhauling the Tax Code to make the United States more 
competitive, what is the first thing you would do to our Tax 
Code to make the United States a more competitive place to do 
business?
    Mr. MALONEY. Mr. Chairman, am I required to use all 5 
minutes to answer that question?
    Mr. WELLER. No, just 1 minute.
    Mr. MALONEY. What I would say to you is, you may or may not 
be aware of this, I have joined with the Republicans in 
supporting the notion that in order to force this debate--this 
is a debate that is highly conflicted, it has pressures from 
every divergent point of view and every special interest, and 
the debate needs in fact to be forced--I have supported the 
Republican efforts to sunset the tax cut. I have been a sponsor 
of this legislation, and I have voted for it on many, many 
occasions, precisely because we do need to grapple with this 
issue. We need to take it on.
    So I would say to you, the very first thing I would do is 
bring that legislation forward and try to get it passed, and 
perhaps you could get it passed in the House and in the Senate.
    Mr. WELLER. Reclaiming my time, you would sunset the Tax 
Code. I personally believe we either need to scrap how we 
depreciate assets and move to full expensing, or eliminating 
the corporate alternative minimum tax I believe would help 
quite a bit.
    Let me direct my next question to Mrs. Johnson.
    You have talked about your proposal which would provide a 
moratorium, essentially put up a wall, stop it for a period of 
time, while we very thoughtfully put forward a proposal that 
does solve the problem. What do you feel is the basic reason a 
moratorium would work better than some of the alternative 
legislation that is before the Subcommittee today?
    Mrs. JOHNSON OF CONNECTICUT. I think the advantage of the 
moratorium is that it could be done fast. You can get that 
through. You can send that signal very clearly in law but you 
can't do this, and during the year that you have them you can 
get together the bill that will address the causes of why 
companies want to do that.
    Now, it may be that we can get together a bill that will 
address the causes and then we just need a moratorium to 
prevent this from happening until those bills go into effect, 
or those tax changes goes into effect. The community, the 
business community in America understands that they are going 
to be back on a level playing field. So I think the moratorium 
has some very real advantages.
    Second, the moratorium, which is structured very much like 
the Neal bill, is also circumventable. It is just that for a 
moratorium it will work. As a permanent fix it won't; because 
as a moratorium it isn't worth the companies going to the 
expense of trying to circumvent it. If it is permanent law, 
there are lots of reasons why then they would just figure out 
how to circumvent it.
    So the moratorium, I would remind you, does have, and I am 
well aware, has the same weaknesses that the Neal bill has, but 
on a short-term basis there wouldn't be the motivation to pay 
tax lawyers to find the way around. A moratorium combined with 
the bill that addresses the causes is what this Nation needs to 
keep American jobs here and to keep American taxes in America 
to support the vital services on which we all depend.
    Mr. WELLER. May I have--just do a quick follow-up, Mrs. 
Johnson. As a quick follow-up, the Treasury Department when 
they testified 2 weeks ago on that abbreviated hearing that we 
had that day raised concerns about Mr. Neal's legislation, and 
you know their concern was that it would actually cause greater 
opportunity for foreign takeover by foreign corporations taking 
over American companies, and with the moratorium would we run 
that same risk?
    Mrs. JOHNSON OF CONNECTICUT. They did mention that they 
would support the moratorium as an immediate and short-term 
solution, and in those seminars I alluded to, both sides, 
people who had all spectrums of the concerns about the American 
Tax Code in terms of the position that it leaves American 
business in and the competitive world, all of those people, 
whether they were for or against the Neal bill--and many of 
them were for it. Some of them were against it, but all of them 
agreed that we needed to stop that action. All of them also 
agreed that this whole approach of inversion is being shopped 
in board rooms; that there are groups of lawyers who are making 
this a specialty, who are making it their business to sell this 
alternative to companies. So this could turn into a torrent.
    In the other areas that we have faced this possibility, 
both with the reinsurance when we did the reinsurance bill 3 
years ago, nobody believed us, and it was being shopped but in 
a very limited portion of the business community. This has 
clearly now taken on a life of its own and has the potential to 
be a real deluge of activity which would have a very harsh 
impact on revenues as well as on our economy.
    Mr. WELLER. Thank you.
    Mr. NEAL. Mr. Chairman, could I just close on one note? 
Just 2 seconds.
    Chairman McCRERY. Yes.
    Mr. NEAL. In general reference to Mr. Weller's comments, 
you and I worked on subpart (F) together and section 809. Mr. 
Weller and I did that expensing bill. Mr. Foley and I have a 
Hospital Preservation Act, which in the end is going to be what 
the hospital fix is. So I think I have demonstrated every 
effort to try to find common ground on these issues and that is 
what I want to do in this instance as well. But I need a little 
help from the other side.
    Thank you.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. Neal, Mrs. Johnson, Mr. 
McInnis, and Mr. Maloney. I will say one thing I think has 
already been accomplished by Mrs. Johnson's moratorium bill, 
the Neal-Maloney-Bill-McInnis bill, and that is we put 
corporations on notice that something is afoot here, and I 
think you have seen some corporations delay their plans to 
expatriate because of the bills that all of you have introduced 
and the hearings that we have held. So you are to be 
congratulated for being leaders on this.
    Now with that, I will excuse the first panel and invite our 
second panel to come forward. On the second panel we have Mr. 
Steven C. Salch, Partner in Fulbright & Jaworski, and the 
Honorable Richard Blumenthal, Attorney General of the State of 
Connecticut. Welcome, gentlemen.
    We are told we are going to have a vote in about 10 minutes 
on the Floor, so we will attempt to get your testimony in and 
then we may have to recess and come back for questions, if that 
is okay with you all.
    Our first witness on the last panel of the day is Mr. 
Steven C. Salch, who is a Partner with Fulbright & Jaworski in 
Houston, Texas, and Mr. Salch has worked on international tax 
issues for a number of years. He has worked with the American 
Bar Association and other organizations in trying to figure out 
and bring some sense to our international tax laws, and so he 
indeed is an expert on these matters and we look forward, Mr. 
Salch, to hearing your testimony. Your entire testimony will be 
admitted into the record, and we would like for you to 
summarize that in about 5 minutes and you may begin.

 STATEMENT OF STEVEN C. SALCH, PARTNER, FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI, 
                     L.L.P., HOUSTON, TEXAS

    Mr. SALCH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Steven 
Salch. I am an attorney, and I am appearing before you today in 
my individual capacity. The views I express are my own.
    I appreciate the opportunity to appear and testify 
regarding corporate inversions. In my written statement, I have 
tried to provide you with one example of the tax factors that 
can cause a U.S. business with substantial foreign business 
operations to conclude that an inversion transaction will be 
beneficial for its business and those who invest in it. I hope 
that if you understand that basic model you can better 
understand the policy issues that underlie the inversion 
decision, the systemic factors that create those issues, and 
then some of the recent embellishments.
    Let me make it clear, my testimony today does not relate to 
U.S. operations of foreign businesses. My testimony does 
address the situation of a U.S. business with U.S. shareholders 
that has significant business operations and revenues from 
outside the United States.
    It is a very competitive world, and U.S. businesses need to 
be able to compete effectively in that world. Differences in 
the tax environment in which a business and its competitors 
operate can make a difference in the ability of the business to 
compete. That is why it is important for the Congress and the 
Treasury Department to consider the competitive impact of tax 
legislative policy alternatives as they make policy decisions.
    It is also important to understand that if there are 
winners and losers when tax policy judgments are made, the 
losers may feel compelled to explore a different environment in 
which to operate. To some extent, I think the case can be made 
the competitive pressures arising from prior tax policy 
judgments may have led companies to consider the possibility of 
engaging in what I call classic inversions. Other 
industrialized countries of the world have taken a different 
approach than the United States for the taxation of the foreign 
business operations of their companies.
    The example in my written statement is an effort to 
illustrate some ways in which a territorial or exemption system 
differs from the worldwide system of taxation of business 
operations utilized by the United States. That example also 
tries to illustrate some of the ways in which those differences 
can translate into economic consequences. While I have tried to 
keep the example simple, these are not simple issues and they 
have no simple solutions. They are issues that are interwoven 
with other tax issues, including the taxing export income issue 
that this Subcommittee has been studying this year. They 
implicate treaties to which the United States is a party and 
which we ought not to unilaterally override.
    In the classic form, inversions do not reduce the U.S. tax 
on U.S.-sourced business revenue, except insofar as section 482 
of the Internal Revenue Code effectively requires an arm's-
length charge for inter-company transactions in which the 
foreign affiliate is a provider to the U.S. business. I am 
aware that some inversions go beyond the classic example and 
have embellishments that do reduce the U.S. tax on U.S.-sourced 
business revenue. In those transactions not all the benefit 
achieved is attributable to elimination of the systemic 
problems. Benefits flow for other reasons. Those situations are 
clearly matters that warrant legislative and administrative 
consideration. In that regard, while I may have some 
reservations about certain aspects of the Treasury Department's 
proposals announced on June 6, I believe those proposals are a 
good place to begin addressing the non-classic inversions.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you again for the opportunity to appear 
today. I will be pleased to respond to any questions you or the 
Subcommittee Members might have.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Salch follows:]
 Statement of Steven C. Salch, Partner, Fulbright & Jaworski, L.L.P., 
                             Houston, Texas
    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee:
    My name is Steven C. Salch. I sincerely appreciate the invitation 
to appear before you today and discuss with you the subject of 
corporate inversions. The statements and views I will express today are 
my own personal views and do not represent the views of the law firm, 
its clients, or any association or professional organization of which I 
am a member.
    Later this month, I will celebrate my 34th anniversary as a lawyer 
with the Houston, Texas office of Fulbright & Jaworski L.L.P. Prior to 
joining that firm, I was a tax accountant for a major energy company 
then located in Dallas, Texas. I am a former Chair of the Section of 
Taxation of the American Bar Association and am currently the Fifth 
Circuit Regent of the American College of Tax Counsel. I have been 
involved with international commercial, regulatory, and tax issues 
since I entered into the private practice of law in 1968. As you might 
expect from a Texas lawyer, a good deal of my practice has focused on 
the energy industry and financial and service sectors relating to that 
industry. However, over the years I have represented both domestic and 
foreign clients in the agriculture, construction, manufacturing, 
distribution, financial, and service sectors regarding their operations 
in this country and abroad. My testimony today is predicated on that 
experience and background.
    This Committee and its Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures have 
undertaken a formidable task: rationalizing the U.S. income tax 
system's treatment of foreign operations in an era of globalization of 
business and financial resources and the enhanced competition that 
creates for contracts, sales, financial services, and jobs.
    Looking back today, it is hard to imagine that the United States 
once imposed restrictions of direct foreign investments by U.S. 
businesses and an interest equalization tax on foreign borrowings. 
Forty years ago, the Congress, at the urging of the Kennedy 
Administration, enacted Subpart F of the Code,\1\ which in its original 
form essentially eliminated deferral for U.S. businesses that utilized 
certain foreign business structures to reduce their foreign tax 
liability while simultaneously deferring the lower-taxed foreign income 
from current U.S. income tax. Starting a decade later in 1971, the 
Congress and the Executive Branch have endeavored to level the playing 
field between U.S. businesses and their foreign competitors within the 
constraints presented by our income tax system, multilateral 
international agreements, and bilateral treaties, while concurrently 
endeavoring to preserve the U.S. income tax base, through a variety of 
statutory mechanisms.
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    \1\ Unless otherwise noted, references to the ``Code'' are 
references to the Internal Revenue Code, 26 USC, then in effect, and 
references to ``section'' are to sections of the Code.
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    As we all know, the export incentive elements of those efforts have 
consistently been found to be contrary to GATT or WTO, in large measure 
because of the different manner in which those trade agreements regard 
the application of territorial tax systems employed by most other 
countries, as contrasted to the worldwide tax system the United States 
employs to tax the income of resident business taxpayers. Consequently, 
a U.S.-based business with multinational operations today generally 
faces a higher rate of worldwide income taxation of its net income than 
does a foreign-based competitor with the same operations, business 
locations, and employee locations. The reason for this difference 
generally is that the foreign competitor will not be subject to U.S. 
Federal income tax on its income from sources without the United States 
that is not effectively connected with a U.S. trade or business or 
attributable to a U.S. permanent establishment and also will not be 
subject to income taxation in its base country on foreign business 
income (income from business operations outside its foreign base 
company).
    Under a pure territorial tax system the business revenues derived 
from outside the foreign residence country of the foreign business do 
not sustain taxation by its country of residence. More significantly, 
perhaps, many foreign countries do not share the same concern about 
external structures that permit their resident businesses to minimize 
their business income tax burden in other countries in or with which 
they do business.\2\ Over two decades ago, one of my foreign friends 
from what was then a fairly popular base country characterized his 
country's exemption of income from direct foreign business investments 
as ``pragmatic'' and intended to ``facilitate the expansion of both the 
base country revenue and employment by attracting base companies and at 
the same time permit resident companies to be extremely competitive in 
foreign markets.''
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extend to individual taxation or passive investment income taxation, 
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    For over 34 years, I have worked with U.S. businesses seeking to 
minimize their cost of capital and maximize their net after-tax 
earnings by managing the combined U.S. and foreign effective tax rate 
on their business income. During that same period, I have worked with 
foreign businesses seeking to achieve the same goals by minimizing the 
U.S. income taxation of their U.S. operations or foreign taxation of 
their third-country business operations. On one hand, the latter group 
of clients is generally easier to serve since in many instances their 
U.S. and foreign business revenues were not taxed in their home 
countries, while on the other it is somewhat more challenging to 
explain that the U.S. will tax foreign operating revenues of their U.S. 
subsidiaries or foreign subsidiaries of those subsidiaries. It doesn't 
take foreign clients a long time to appreciate that, as a general rule, 
they should not have operating foreign subsidiaries below their U.S. 
subsidiaries or conduct non-U.S. operations through U.S. subsidiaries.
    At the same time, it has always been trying to explain to a U.S. 
businessperson or entrepreneur that they will be competing with foreign 
businesses that enjoy the benefits of VAT rebates on exports and what 
are explicitly or effectively territorial systems with largely 
unrestricted opportunities to minimize foreign taxation of their 
business income. As economies become more intertwined and competition 
increases around the globe, these experiences have become more trying.
    Here is an example of a typical situation and concerns that the 
Code's approach to income taxation of foreign business operations 
produces.
    Company X and its subsidiaries, domestic and foreign, are in a 
service industry. Over the years, their customers' activities have 
become increasingly focused on foreign business opportunities. As a 
result, the percentage of the gross revenue and income that Company X 
and its subsidiaries derive from performing services outside the United 
States has grown. It now is more than 50% of their gross revenue from 
operations and generally is projected to either remain at that level or 
increase over the foreseeable future. Company X competes with other 
U.S. firms and with foreign-based companies. Within the last six 
months, Company X was unable to achieve an acquisition of substantially 
all the assets of Company A, a domestic company whose business would 
complement Company X's operations with over 60% of its operating income 
from foreign operations, because foreign Company Z offered a cash price 
that was substantially more than the price Company X thought was 
feasible based on its targeted goals for return on capital and concerns 
about maintaining share value in an equity marketplace environment that 
is becoming increasingly discriminating. Company X's Board asks its 
management to analyze the situation and report back on the failed bid.
    Company X's analysis indicates that Company Z has a lower tax rate 
on operations than Company X, or indeed any of Company X's U.S. 
competitors. One of the reasons is that Company Z does not pay tax in 
its home country on income from foreign operations or foreign 
subsidiaries. Another reason is that Company Z's home country's 
exemption of Company Z's foreign operational income from tax permits 
Company Z to conduct its foreign operations in the manner that 
minimizes taxation by other countries. While other factors, such as 
higher employment taxes and office rental, partially offset the tax 
savings, Company Z has a higher rate of return on invested capital than 
Company X, largely because of the tax differential.
    When Company X's personnel applied Company Z's after-tax rate of 
return from operations to Company A, the result was a price that was 
actually higher than the price Company Z paid for Company A. Thus, if 
Company Z is able to achieve its pre-acquisition rate of return with 
respect to Company A's business, the acquisition should actually 
increase the value of Company Z since the acquisition price, though 
higher than Company X could pay, was based on a lower rate of return 
than Company Z actually achieves. Company X's analysis showed that 
under Company Z's ownership the only portion of the operations of 
Company A that would continue to pay U.S. corporate income tax were 
those that served the U.S. market exclusively.
    In that regard, since Company Z had purchased Company A's assets, 
all the intellectual property of Company A was now owned by a foreign 
corporation that would charge and receive an arm's length royalty from 
Company A's U.S. operations (determined pursuant to the section 482 
regulations) that would be deductible for Federal income tax purposes 
and be exempt from U.S. withholding tax by virtue of a bilateral income 
tax treaty. The income derived from the foreign operations of Company A 
would no longer by subject to U.S. Federal income tax or state income 
tax.
    Company X's CEO reported to the Board that Company Z was in the 
process of downsizing Company A's U.S. workforce by terminating 
personnel in the research, engineering and design, procurement, and 
administrative areas because those tasks would be performed by existing 
staff of Company Z in foreign locations for a fee paid by the U.S. 
operations. Manufacturing jobs in Company A would remain in the U.S. as 
needed to serve the U.S. plants. What was not known was how long those 
plants would all remain active to provide goods for foreign markets, as 
well as the domestic U.S. market. The CEO commented that it was likely 
Company X would see a decline in sales to what was Company A as Company 
Z's foreign engineers and procurement specialists began specifying 
foreign supplier's components, including those of Company Z and its 
affiliates, whenever customers did not specifically request open 
sourcing or Company X components.
    Company X's Board quickly grasped the concept that Company X's rate 
of return on invested capital, and presumably its share price, would 
increase if Company X could restructure so that it's income from 
foreign operations was not subject to U.S. corporate income taxation. 
The question was whether that could be achieved. That's when the 
outside tax and investment banking experts were brought into the 
picture.
    They suggested to Company X's Board that it should effectively 
reincorporate itself as a Bermudian company and utilize a domestic 
holding company to own its U.S. operations. The transaction would 
involve the U.S. shareholders exchanging Company X shares for shares of 
a Bermuda company (``BCo''). That exchange would trigger realization of 
any built-in gain in the Company X shares, but not loss. While precise 
data were not obtainable, in view of the decline in the stock prices 
over the past several years, the investment bankers advised that it was 
probable that there were a great many shareholders who had losses and 
the amount of gain for stockholders who had held Company X shares for 
more than three years would be relatively low.
    Company X's foreign subsidiaries would be held by a foreign 
subsidiary of BCo. The existing intercompany pricing policies of 
Company X and its affiliates would continue to be observed by BCo and 
its foreign subsidiaries and the U.S. holding company. The U.S. holding 
company would continue to operate the U.S. fixed facilities. With 
proper attention to the Code provisions regarding effectively connected 
income, the income produced by BCo and the foreign subsidiaries should 
not be subject to U.S. corporate income tax, other than withholding on 
dividends distributed by the U.S. holding company. The savings achieved 
by eliminating U.S. corporate income taxation on BCo and its foreign 
subsidiaries significantly enhance BCo's return on capital and 
hopefully, its share price. It also makes BCo more competitive with 
Company Z and other foreign firms.
    This example is what I refer to as the classic or straight 
inversion. It was employed for the first time approximately 70 years 
ago. Approximately 30 years ago I obtained from the IRS a private 
letter ruling that dealt with inversion issues. For various non-tax 
reasons that transaction did not go forward. Subsequently McDermott did 
invert and Congress tightened the Code to assure that there was an exit 
fee for similar transactions. Subsequent inversions have likewise 
generated legislative amendments designed to prevent others from 
pursuing a similar transaction without additional cost.
    The recent increase in proposed inversion transactions and 
corresponding publicity have caught the attention of the Treasury 
Department and both the House and the Senate. One result is that a 
number of Members and Senators have proposed legislation to address or 
suppress inversions in several different ways.
    I respectfully submit that one of the problems with several of the 
pending anti-inversion legislative proposals is that they have 
effective dates that would extend to transactions that were done 
decades ago. Not all inversion transactions in the past were undertaken 
solely or perhaps even principally for U.S. tax reasons. To go back 
into the past and attempt to determine which ``old and cold'' 
inversions that were entirely legal when they were implemented, should 
now be penalized, strikes me as unfair, unsound, and overkill.
    I also submit to you that the classic or straight inversion is not 
a ``tax shelter,'' ``abusive transaction,'' ``job loser,'' or 
``unpatriotic.'' As the foregoing example illustrates, the classic 
inversion generally is motivated by systemic features of the Code and a 
discontinuity between those features of our law and comparable features 
of the tax laws of other countries. The classic inversion does not 
reduce U.S. tax on U.S. source business revenue, except insofar as 
section 482 dictates that there be an arm's length charge for 
intercompany transactions in which the foreign affiliate is a provider 
to a U.S. business.
    The example also shows that in the simplest terms, the classic 
inversion is all about numbers that investors and investment bankers 
translate into stock prices or purchase prices of businesses. In that 
context, preserving U.S. ownership of business, a classic inversion can 
also directly and indirectly save U.S. jobs and business that would be 
lost if the same business came under foreign ownership.
    I realize that Congress needs time to study and develop solutions 
to the systemic issues, including the export issue and the WTO. 
However, I am concerned that unless Congress can also enact a 
moratorium on foreign purchases or acquisitions of U.S. businesses, a 
moratorium on inversions that precludes U.S. businesses with 
substantial foreign operations from engaging in the classic inversion 
will merely provide foreign purchasers an opportunity to extend their 
present competitive advantage in purchasing and operations during the 
moratorium period. No matter what your views may be on inversions, I 
hope you can all agree that result would not be desirable.
    If classic or straight inversions were the only type of inversion 
transaction that we are seeing, I'm not sure we would all be here today 
for this purpose. We are also seeing transactions that are derivative 
of the classic inversion in some respects but go beyond it. One such 
derivative generally involves companies that do not have or reasonably 
anticipate substantial business income from foreign sources. A simple 
inversion does not produce a tax benefit for those companies because 
the systemic issue is not present in the absence of foreign source 
income. Thus, any tax savings that are achieved are a result of 
something else and are achieved with respect to U.S. source income. 
Transactions that fit that description are the transactions I believe 
the Committee and the Treasury Department should scrutinize carefully. 
However, any solutions should apply equally to both domestically and 
foreign owned U.S. businesses, in order to avoid the inadvertent 
creation of an additional competitive advantage for foreign owned 
businesses.
    Some inversion transactions implicate bilateral income tax 
conventions to which the United States is a party. If in scrutinizing 
those transactions, the Congress determines that there are issues that 
require action, I hope the Congress will provide the Treasury 
Department with an opportunity to address those issues in negotiations 
with the other countries that are parties to the treaties in question, 
rather than unilaterally overriding those treaties. Treaties work for 
U.S. businesses and are beneficial to international business and 
financial transactions. Thus, it is in everyone's best interest to 
permit the normal treaty negotiation or renegotiation process to occur 
in an orderly fashion, rather than jeopardize an entire treaty over any 
single issue or transaction.
    It is a part of our American culture that we will compete on a 
level playing field with anyone, anytime, and anyplace. Once the 
playing field was local. Then it became regional, and later it became 
national. Today the playing field is international, and our rules are 
not the only rules in play. Thus, we need to be vigilant that others do 
not adopt rules that unfairly penalize our businesses seeking to 
operate abroad. We also need to be vigilant that our rules neither 
penalize U.S. businesses operating abroad nor grant an unfair advantage 
to foreign businesses operating here.
    Mr. Chairman, classic inversions are not ``the problem.'' They are 
symptoms that indicate a systemic problem exists. I urge the Committee 
and the Congress to seek a solution that cures those systemic problems 
as the best means of alleviating the symptoms. At the same time, 
Congress and the Treasury should also address variations of classic 
inversions that achieve savings by reducing taxation of U.S. source 
business income and assure that any remedial measures apply equally to 
domestic and foreign investors.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you again for the opportunity to appear today. 
I will be pleased to respond to any questions.

                               

    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. Salch. Our next witness is 
the Attorney General of the State of Connecticut, Mr. Richard 
Blumenthal. Thank you very much for coming, and now we will 
hear your testimony.

  STATEMENT OF THE HON. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, ATTORNEY GENERAL, 
             CONNECTICUT ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE

    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I am 
honored to be before this Subcommittee, and I thank you and 
other Members of the Subcommittee for demonstrating the 
interest and the diligence to pursue this very, very critically 
important topic. I agree with some of the other speakers who 
have appeared already, and I would request permission to enter 
my full statement in the record and to summarize it very 
briefly.
    Chairman McCRERY. Without objection.
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Extemporaneously if I may.
    I agree with a number of the other speakers that this 
loophole is unfair, unpatriotic and really does great harm to 
the credibility of our Tax Code. I believe also it does great 
harm to the credibility and trust of the American public in 
corporate management because it operates as a kind of a stealth 
weapon used by management to evade corporate accountability. I 
have focused my remarks on the issue of corporate governance 
and the way that reincorporation to Bermuda seriously weakens 
and dilutes the rights of shareholders to hold management 
accountable in the event of self-dealing or malfeasance.
    The impacts on corporate accountability are not technical 
or hypothetical or speculative. They are real and immediate. 
They are demonstrated, for example, by some of the corporations 
that have already moved to Bermuda, such as Tyco and Global 
Crossing, which are using these obstacles to corporate 
accountability to evade responsibility for management self-
dealings and malfeasance.
    I appear before you as the chief law enforcement officer of 
a State who has gone to court to stop a reincorporation that 
would have been done in a way that was severely misleading to 
many of its shareholders, the 401(k) shareholders in our State, 
and as one who is responsible for protecting the public 
interest and the rights of shareholders in our State, including 
the rights of the State as a shareholder. So I have a very 
direct and immediate interest in a topic that is real and 
urgent.
    Corporations often portray the impact on corporate 
accountability as nonexistent or inconsequential. In fact, 
these effects go to the core of the body of law we have built 
to protect shareholder rights, and I would simply offer as an 
example the reversal that has been done by Stanley Works in its 
revised statement to the Securities and Exchange Commission 
(SEC) where it was compelled by pressure from my office, by the 
threat that we would ask for a SEC investigation, to 
acknowledge, and I would quote from the revised proxy statement 
that was submitted only last Friday and came to my office only 
this morning, and the quote is in the revised proxy statement: 
``Your rights as a shareholder may be adversely changed as a 
result of the reorganization because of differences between 
Bermuda law and Connecticut law and differences in Stanley 
Bermuda's and Stanley Connecticut's organizational documents.''
    We still have problems with that statement because it, 
along with other representations in the revised proxy 
statement, minimizes the effects which may be more for 
reacting. They are real, and they are in areas where Bermuda 
law is extraordinarily opaque. Their legal opinions are not 
published or officially reported, very difficult to access. In 
the books and records of Bermuda corporations there is a lack 
of meaningful limits on the insider transactions, the very kind 
of self-dealing that we have seen in Enron and many other 
corporations which have recently come to light. There are no 
requirements for shareholder approval of substantial sales or 
exchanges of the corporate assets such as there are in most 
States, including Connecticut. There are severe limits on 
derivative actions brought in the name of the corporation, one 
of the central tools of enforcing accountability, the right of 
a shareholder to protect the corporation, all of the 
shareholders, not just his or her own interests. There are 
serious questions about the enforceability of U.S. judgments 
against a corporation that reincorporates in Bermuda. As you 
well know, there is no treaty of reciprocity. There are very 
severe burdens in time and cost, not to mention the possible 
burden of a defense raised that a judgment is inconsistent with 
Bermuda policy, whatever that may be in specific instances. So 
the rights of creditors, as well as shareholders, may be 
adversely impacted.
    Let me just summarize, if I may, Mr. Chairman, by saying 
that I am always interested in hearing from corporations, from 
all of us. I think have used the term that we want a level 
playing field, and certainly a level playing field is greatly 
to be desired and sought. I simply urge that these corporations 
be on our side of the field and that we seek and achieve a 
result that enforces stability, transparency, and 
predictability in the requirements that apply to these 
corporations.
    Thank you very much.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Blumenthal follows:]
Statement of the Hon. Richard Blumenthal, Attorney General, Connecticut 
                       Attorney General's Office
    I appreciate the opportunity to speak on the issue of corporate 
inversions, a hyper-technical term for corporations exploiting tax law 
loopholes and corporate directors and management profiting and 
protecting themselves from proper accountability.
    I urge your support for legislation such as H.R. 3884, the 
Corporate Patriot Enforcement Act that would permanently close a 
loophole in our laws that permits corporations to abandon America and 
abrogate their moral responsibility to this country.
    When I was first scheduled to speak on June 6, 2002, I intended to 
quote at length from a speech delivered only the day before by Henry 
Paulson, chairman of Goldman, Sachs, who expressed alarm that American 
business has never been held in lower repute. Now, even more clearly, 
we know that one major reason for such low repute is this type of tax 
avoidance loophole.
    Long-time American corporations with operations in other countries 
can dodge tens of millions of dollars in Federal taxes by the device of 
reincorporating in another country. How do they become a ``foreign 
company'' and avoid taxes on foreign operations? They simply file 
incorporation papers in a country with friendly tax laws, open a post-
office box and hold an annual meeting there. They need have no 
employees in that country or investments in that country--in short, no 
financial stake there at all. It is a sham, a `virtual' foreign 
corporation--and our tax laws not only allow this ridiculous charade, 
they encourage it. This loophole is a special exception run amok. It is 
a tax loophole that must be slammed shut.
    Bermuda may seem close geographically and familiar in language and 
customs, but it might as well be the moon in terms of legal rights and 
protections for shareholders. In pitching reincorporation, management 
has repeatedly misled shareholders--failing to reveal the real long 
term costs, and concealing even the short term financial effects.
    Connecticut has learned this lesson the hard way from Stanley 
Works--the most recent and potentially most notorious corporation to 
attempt to avoid taxes through this corporate shell game. Stanley Works 
is a proud American company that is based in the industrial town of New 
Britain, Connecticut. For more than 150 years, it has manufactured some 
of the best-known American-made tools.
    Over the past 20 years, sadly, it has moved much of its 
manufacturing overseas where cheaper labor means more profits. In fact, 
it has moved so much of its operations that it was in danger of losing 
its ability to claim that its products were made in America, a major 
selling point. Several years ago, it supported an attempt to weaken the 
standards for claiming products are ``made in the U.S.A.'' This 
proposed rule would have allowed corporations to use the ``made in the 
U.S.A.'' label on products that were mostly made in other countries, 
with only the finishing touches applied here. It was nothing less than 
an attempt to create the `veneer' of American craftsmanship. Along with 
others, I strongly opposed this weakened standard and it was eventually 
withdrawn.
    Now, this same company is seeking to sell its American citizenship 
for $20-30 million pieces of silver. Reincorporating in Bermuda would 
render hundreds of millions of dollars in profits from foreign 
divisions tax-exempt in the United States. Stanley Works, of course, is 
not the only company to use this tax law loophole. Cooper Industries, 
Seagate Technologies, Ingersoll-Rand and PricewaterhouseCoopers 
Consulting, to name but a few, have also become pseudo-foreign 
corporations for the sole purpose of saving tax dollars.
    While profits may increase as a result of this foreign 
reincorporation gimmick, there are some significant disadvantages to 
shareholders that may not be readily apparent to them. Shareholders 
must exchange their stock in the corporation for new foreign 
corporation shares--generating capital gains tax liability. So while 
the corporation saves taxes, employees and retirees who hold shares are 
now unexpectedly facing significant capital gains tax bills. Some must 
sell many of the new shares in order to pay the capital gains tax--
reducing the dividend income they were counting on for their 
retirements.
    At the same time, corporate executives and other holders of 
thousands of shares of the corporation will receive huge windfalls from 
stock options as the stock price rises because of increased profits. 
Stanley Works estimates that its stock may rise by 11.5% after 
reincorporation in Bermuda. That increase produces a $17.5 million gain 
in CEO John Trani's stock option value while shareholders are facing 
$150 million in capital gains taxes. Smaller shareholders, of course, 
do not have huge stock option gains that they can use to pay the 
capital gains tax.
    Incorporating in another country may also restrict shareholder 
rights and protections because foreign laws are far weaker than ours. 
This issue is not apparent to many shareholders because they may look 
at reincorporation as a merely technical move with only corporate tax 
implications. The company's headquarters remains in the United States 
so shareholders may think that American laws will still apply. 
Management has hardly rushed to clarify the weakening, even 
eviscerating of shareholder rights.
    Taking advantage of corporate tax loopholes, corporations like 
Stanley Works typically reincorporate in Bermuda. Bermuda law differs 
from the corporate law of most states in several very important 
respects.
    First, there is the simple problem of the opacity of Bermuda law. 
Even sophisticated shareholders may have extreme difficulty in 
obtaining information about Bermuda law and evaluating the impairment 
of their rights under Bermuda law. Bermuda does not even maintain an 
official reporter of its court decisions. We have learned from the 
Enron scandal the danger for shareholders, employees and regulators of 
shielding important corporate information from public scrutiny. The 
movement of corporations to a place where the legal rights of 
shareholders are severely constrained and confused--indeed at best 
unclear--is a matter of grave concern.
    Corporations proposing to reincorporate to Bermuda, such as 
Stanley, often tell shareholders that there is no material difference 
in the law. But what we have learned about Bermuda law--and divining 
Bermuda law is no easy task--shows this claim is certainly not 
accurate. There are several important aspects of Bermuda law that 
greatly diminish shareholder rights.
    For example, Bermuda law lacks any meaningful limitations on 
insider transactions. Like most states, Connecticut imposes significant 
restrictions on corporate dealings with interested directors of the 
corporation--the kind of restrictions that appear to have been violated 
in the Enron debacle. Those protections appear to be absent under 
Bermuda law.
    Bermuda law also fails to provide shareholders with decisionmaking 
authority on fundamental changes in the corporation. Connecticut law, 
like statutes of most states, requires that shareholder approval be 
obtained before the corporation may sell or dispose of a substantial 
portion of the assets of the corporation. Bermuda law contains no such 
requirement.
    Similarly, Bermuda law permits shareholder derivative lawsuits in 
only very limited circumstances. Derivative lawsuits are an essential 
protection for shareholders. In the United States, shareholders may 
bring actions on behalf of the corporation against officers and 
directors seeking to harm the corporation. The availability of 
derivative lawsuits is a profoundly important tool to protect 
shareholders from the malfeasance and self-dealing by officers and 
directors. It is a central tenet of American corporate governance. This 
form of protection is apparently all but unavailable under Bermuda law.
    In addition, there are serious questions about the enforceability 
of U.S. judgments in Bermuda. There is presently no treaty with Bermuda 
that ensures the reciprocity of judgments. Thus, a person who has 
successfully prosecuted a Federal securities claim or products 
liability lawsuit in the United States against the corporation, for 
example, may be unable to enforce that judgment against the corporation 
in Bermuda. Bermuda courts have the right to decline to enforce an 
American judgment if they believe it is inconsistent with Bermuda law 
or policy. Bermuda may be not just a tax haven, but also a judgment 
haven.
    Finally, a Bermuda incorporation will greatly impede my office or 
any state Attorney General in protecting the public interest and 
safeguarding shareholder rights including the state's financial 
interests--stopping a shareholder vote, for example, if shareholders 
are provided with misleading information. Earlier this year in 
Connecticut, Stanley Works issued conflicting statements to 401k 
shareholders. The first statement said that failure to vote would be 
counted as a ``no'' vote. The second one said that failure to vote 
would allow the 401k administrator to cast a ballot consistent with the 
401k plan. My office, representing the state of Connecticut as a 
shareholder, filed an action in state court that halted the vote 
because of the tremendous confusion caused. Whether I could have taken 
a similar action had Stanley Works been incorporated in Bermuda is at 
best unclear.
    The misstatements made by Stanley Works management were so 
misleading and potentially deceptive that I requested a full 
investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and an 
order delaying any revote until such an investigation is complete. I 
further requested that the SEC review the May 28, 2002 Stanley Works 
proxy statement to determine whether Stanley Works has accurately 
explained the impact of the Bermuda move on shareholder rights. The SEC 
expressed interest in reviewing the proxy statement.
    As a result of my complaint and SEC interest in this matter, 
Stanley Works issued a revised proxy statement on June 21, 2002 which 
was just made available to me this morning. The revised statement 
contains--for the first time--a clear concession by Stanley Works that 
a Bermuda reincorporation will restrict shareholders' rights. The 
revised proxy statement states: ``Your Rights as a Shareholder May be 
Adversely Changed as a Result of the Reorganization Because of 
Differences between Bermuda Law and Connecticut Law and Differences in 
Stanley Bermuda's and Stanley Connecticut's Organizational Documents.''
    I am hopeful that continued SEC pressure--along with legal 
challenges to the adequacy of similar proxy statements by other 
corporations proposing a reincorporation in Bermuda--will compel 
clearer and more truthful descriptions in proxy statements concerning 
the severe weakening of shareholder ability to hold management 
accountable under Bermuda law.
    Some corporation proxy statements may seek to assure shareholders 
that the new corporation bylaws will restore some of these lost 
shareholder rights. This substitute is simply inadequate. If corporate 
bylaws were sufficient to protect shareholder rights, we would not need 
Federal and state securities laws.
    In sum, reincorporation in another country like Bermuda undermines 
the interests and rights of American shareholders. Corporate CEOs, 
whose compensation is typically tied to short-term gains in stock price 
or cash flow, often gain millions in additional pay stemming directly 
from the tax savings obtained by these moves and are better able to 
engage in insider transactions. They are less exposed to shareholder 
derivative lawsuits and Federal securities action. They are shielded 
from shareholders seeking to hold them accountable for misjudgments or 
malfeasance. The incentive for corporate officers to make the move to 
Bermuda is obvious. But the interests of ordinary shareholders and the 
United States are gravely disserved.
    If American corporations seek a more level playing field--fairer 
tax burdens so they can better compete globally--they at least ought to 
stay on our side of the field. They ought to pay their fair share of 
the financial cost of American services and benefits that also aid 
them. And they should be required to show a specific need or 
disadvantage compared to some foreign competitor that threatens 
American jobs or economic interests.
    I urge the Committee to first approve legislation that will 
permanently close this loophole and then determine whether our tax laws 
need to be changed to address inequity concerns that have been raised. 
The Treasury Department's preliminary report listed several areas for 
review, including rules limiting deduction for interest paid on foreign 
related debt, rules on valuations on transfers of assets to foreign 
related parties and cross-border reorganizations. I do not endorse any 
specific proposal for tax law change, or even necessarily general 
change itself. What I endorse strongly and unequivocably is the need 
for closing this destructive loophole, as H.R. 3884 would do. The 
measure should be permanent so as to assure credibility and certainty. 
The status quo is unacceptable.

                               

    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. Blumenthal. So, Mr. 
Blumenthal, your primary concern, at least judging by your oral 
remarks, is the diminution of shareholder power by virtue of a 
corporation leaving our shores and reincorporating offshore. 
Then I take it that you would favor anything, any legislative 
solution to that. You are not tied to Mr. Neal's bill, although 
you endorse that, I think, in your written testimony. Is that 
an accurate statement? I mean, are you tied to Mr. Neal's bill 
or would you be willing to look at other things that would 
accomplish the same thing?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that question 
because it fills a gap that unfortunately I left out in the 
summary that I presented. I very strongly support Congressman 
Neal's bill; that is, H.R. 3884. I believe that closing this 
loophole should be done permanently because of the certainty 
that it provides. First, as to shareholders, they have a right 
to know what the future means in terms of the tax laws that 
apply to their corporations, and management has an interest in 
that certainty as well. To provide for a moratorium in 1 year I 
think undercuts the interests of the corporation in terms of 
certainty and also the credibility of the Tax Code itself.
    Chairman McCRERY. I am not talking about a moratorium. I am 
talking about a different approach to solve the problem. You 
are not adverse to hearing other approaches to solving the 
problem legislatively, setting aside the moratorium?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. If the problem is to make sure that there 
is in fact a level playing field and there are other reforms 
that the Committee, the Committee on Ways and Means, wishes to 
consider, I certainly wouldn't foreclose them. I have focused 
here on the corporate governance issue because I believe, with 
all due respect, that it has been largely ignored or 
disregarded by many of the public comments, well intentioned 
and correct as they have been, in concentrating on the fiscal 
impact, on the equities involved. I am seeking simply to draw 
on my own personal experience in enforcing these laws.
    Chairman McCRERY. I appreciate that. I think it is a very 
important point, and I am glad that you emphasized that during 
your remarks. Since you have endorsed the Neal bill, I assume 
you have looked at it, you have studied it, and I want to ask 
you a few questions about it and get your response.
    If a company with manufacturing operations in Ireland, for 
example, decided to invert to Ireland, would H.R. 3884, the 
Neal bill, prevent that transaction?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Would it prevent reincorporation in 
Ireland?
    Chairman McCRERY. Right.
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Well, I don't know that any of the measures 
that close the tax loophole would bar reincorporation per se. 
What the impact would be on tax treatment of foreign earnings 
would depend on how the bill were adopted and what specific 
form. Of course, I say all this with deference and respect to 
the author of the bill, who happens to be on this panel, and 
would yield to him if he has an answer that contradicts mine.
    Mr. NEAL. A friend of Ireland as well.
    Chairman McCRERY. Well, the answer is if that company, the 
resulting company, based in Ireland, had less than 80 percent 
of the shareholders who were the same as the American company 
that preceded the Irish company, then the Neal bill would have 
no impact on that inversion because there are substantial 
operations in Ireland.
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. I am aware of the limits so far as 
shareholder--numbers of shareholders are concerned. 
Incidentally, although I have endorsed the Neal-Maloney bill, 
if there are improvements that can be made by this panel or the 
full Committee or the Congress, I certainly am not wedded to 
these specific provisions. The basic point is that shareholders 
need to be protected.
    Chairman McCRERY. Well, that is the answer I am looking 
for, that you are not wedded to the Neal bill. You are willing 
to explore other approaches. I think it is appropriate that we 
point out some flaws in the Neal bill, and I hope that when we 
get through examining it we can agree that we need to look 
further and improve upon the Neal approach.
    For example, if a company issued an initial public offering 
(IPO), they issued IPO stock as part of the inversion 
transaction, the Neal bill wouldn't stop that if the result of 
that were to dilute the shares of stock of the previous 
shareholders below 80 percent, which could easily be done. If 
the new parent, for example, issued stock to the U.S. 
subsidiary, a so-called hook stock transaction, as done by 
Ingersoll-Rand, again the Neal bill wouldn't affect that 
because the probable result would be that the U.S. subsidiary 
would own more than 20 percent of the new shares.
    So those are just a few examples of how a company intent on 
inversion could easily circumvent the provisions in the Neal 
bill.
    Mr. Salch, can you--you talked in your written testimony 
about some of the provisions in our Tax Code that make U.S. 
companies less competitive in the global marketplace. Can you 
list some of those for us, just tick some off that are 
particularly egregious to American companies with foreign 
operations?
    Mr. SALCH. Mr. Chairman, it is going to vary depending from 
company to company.
    Chairman McCRERY. Is your mike on?
    Mr. SALCH. It is going to vary based on company to company, 
but in broad general terms we start out with the fact that we 
have two competing systems of income taxation. Ours is 
worldwide. Many of our major trading partners and competitors 
are territorial or use a participation or an exemption system 
to get there with respect to business profits.
    Now, let's be sure we are talking about business profits 
rather than so-called passive income. You have to worry about 
what that is. From a business profit perspective, if a Dutch 
company operates in a particular jurisdiction and has an active 
business in that jurisdiction, it doesn't pay tax on the 
profits of that operation, whether they are held by a 
subsidiary or by the Dutch company. That is different.
    Initially, it also gives that parent company the 
opportunity to take profit from this business to another 
business and reinvest it without having to pay tax on it, which 
lowers its cost of capital and gives it an opportunity to 
leverage its business better. If we had a U.S. company that had 
two foreign subsidiaries, you get the profit from one 
subsidiary and invested it in the other subsidiary, you would 
have to pay tax coming through the United States as a dividend.
    So, it is that type of a situation that begins to bring 
this into focus. Some aspects of subpart (F), if you have a 
Dutch company that has a Swiss subsidiary and a subsidiary in 
Latin America that grows commodities, agricultural commodities, 
and the Latin America subsidiary sells those to the Swiss 
company which then markets them worldwide, the Dutch company 
doesn't pay tax on any of those profits. Well, our U.S. company 
might not pay tax on the profits of the producing country, but 
it will pay tax on the profits of the Swiss company because 
that is foreign base company sales income. It is active 
business income. There are 35 people in that office in 
Switzerland that are actively marketing those commodities and 
actively arranging the shipment and everything else. It is not 
passive. But it is subpart (F) foreign base company sales 
income.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you for that short recitation of a 
few provisions in the Tax Code that make our companies less 
competitive in the international marketplace.
    Now, are these companies that are inverting, that are 
expatriating, moving offshore, does that make life better for 
them from a tax standpoint? Do they suddenly step into the 
shoes of that Swiss company you were talking about and not have 
to pay taxes on some of those transactions?
    Mr. SALCH. Actually, in my example, Mr. Chairman, the Swiss 
company would pay 5-percent tax in Switzerland on its profits. 
The companies that are inverting to Bermuda are inverting to a 
country which imposes no tax, no income tax, period. So they 
automatically go into a tax-free environment that is totally 
independent of the participation type exemption or territorial 
tax system. They also, however, by acquiring foreign status, 
avoid subpart (F). Subpart (F) no longer applies to their 
foreign subsidiaries if the foreign subsidiaries go out in the 
inversion and that is the hook stock that you were talking 
about. Typically that is used to purchase the stock or the 
assets of the foreign subsidiaries of the existing U.S. 
operation and then move that underneath the new inverted 
foreign parent.
    Chairman McCRERY. Likewise, they would not be subject to 
the foreign base sales and service requirement.
    Mr. SALCH. That is correct. That is correct.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. Salch. Before I go to Mr. 
McNulty, let me just say, Mr. Blumenthal, again I appreciate 
your highlighting the issue of shareholder rights.
    One thing you didn't mention which I think maybe the 
Members of this Subcommittee ought to talk about before we 
finish our examination of this subject is the question of 
executive pay, stock options, and so forth, and how they might 
be treated differently from shareholders' stock when these 
inversions are made.
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. If I may, Mr. Chairman, I made that point 
in my written testimony, that very often there are not so 
hidden or disguised rewards in terms of executive compensation. 
I agree that that is an area that may deserve further scrutiny.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you. Mr. McNulty.
    Mr. McNULTY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank both of our 
distinguished witnesses for their testimony, and I yield to Mr. 
Neal.
    Mr. NEAL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Mr. 
McNulty.
    Mr. Salch, do you think that Stanley Works did the right 
thing?
    Mr. SALCH. In what respect do you ask that question, Mr. 
Neal? I should say I am not as familiar with Stanley Works as 
you are, but I will try and answer your question. What do you 
mean, did the right thing? In what respect?
    Mr. NEAL. Do you think in this atmosphere where President 
Bush has asked for $48 billion more for our national defense, 
where he has asked for $38 billion more for the establishment 
of a Homeland Security Department, do you think Stanley Works 
is doing the right thing by shedding their responsibility?
    Mr. SALCH. What responsibility have they shed?
    Mr. NEAL. To contribute to the payment of the request that 
the President has made for the common defense. He has stated 
that the national purpose here is war.
    Mr. SALCH. Well, they haven't moved anywhere yet, Mr. Neal.
    Mr. NEAL. They certainly are trying very hard.
    Mr. SALCH. My understanding is that they would continue to 
pay U.S. tax on their U.S. business operations and their U.S. 
business income.
    Mr. NEAL. Let me ask you, do you think that their decision 
to move their corporate address to Bermuda is the right thing?
    Mr. SALCH. Mr. Neal, that goes to a matter of corporate 
governance, which is beyond the purview of a poor old tax 
lawyer like me.
    Mr. NEAL. Mr. Blumenthal, do you think that Stanley Works 
is doing the right thing?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. No, I don't, Mr. Neal. I believe very 
strongly that they are doing the wrong thing, beyond the issue 
of patriotism or allegiance to country. I happen to think that 
this move has proved to be a disaster to Stanley Works' image.
    You know, my first experience with Stanley Works as 
Attorney General was to defend this corporation against a 
hostile takeover. We literally, and I personally, went to court 
when a major national corporation in effect wanted to pursue 
it, and we stood shoulder to shoulder. We believe in Stanley 
Works as a company. It is a well-established American 
corporation, and I think this entire experience has given it an 
enormous black eye, certainly costing it way beyond the $30 
million that it would have gained in tax savings, and I believe 
very strongly, with the fundamental point that you have made, 
that it has enjoyed and benefited from services that are 
provided by this country. It should be required to pay its fair 
share of those services and that is one of the fundamental 
reasons I think this loophole should be closed.
    Mr. NEAL. Mr. Blumenthal, are you knowledgeable about why 
Barbados was included with the inversion decision of Stanley 
Works?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Barbados is the means by which additional 
tax savings are achieved if foreign income in effect is 
funneled through the Barbados. My understanding is that there 
are additional savings to the corporation. In fact that may be 
one of the pivotal means by which the savings are achieved 
following the reincorporation to Bermuda.
    Mr. NEAL. Mr. Salch, would that be your understanding as 
well?
    Mr. SALCH. My understanding is that Barbados was used 
because of the Barbados-U.S. treaty.
    Mr. NEAL. For the purpose of sheltering vs. income?
    Mr. SALCH. Also a reduced withholding rate on interest.
    Mr. NEAL. Okay, thank you.
    Mr. Blumenthal, given the number of lawsuits that have been 
filed against Enron, what conceivably could be done in this 
instance by a company taking on a new corporate address in 
Bermuda to shareholder rights?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. I think many of the shareholder lawsuits 
that have been brought against Enron could not be brought under 
Bermuda law or would encounter much greater obstacles in cost 
and time if Enron were a Bermuda corporation instead of a 
company incorporated in this country, and judgements obtained 
against Enron in this country would face very severe hurdles in 
enforceability in another country. All of the kinds of self-
dealing, malfeasance, violation of shareholder interests and 
rights I think would be much more difficult to pursue, if they 
could be pursued at all, if Enron were a Bermuda corporation.
    Mr. NEAL. Well, based upon your good work and the work of 
other Attorneys General across the country, where some would 
argue that it was perhaps the responsibility of boards of 
directors and others to have taken a harder look at some of 
these decisions, do you think that it is legitimate that 
individuals like yourself who hold these offices should be 
having to make these decisions about pursuing those who have 
neglected their responsibilities as boards of directors, as 
members of boards of directors?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. I think in representing our pension funds 
as well as a parens patriae action defending our citizens' 
interests, we have a right and responsibility to be in court 
pursuing wrongdoing when it occurs among boards of directors or 
officers. So I think it is an obligation, as well as an 
opportunity to use laws of our States and to seek to make those 
laws as transparent and enforceable as possible. I think it is 
part of the job of being in law enforcement.
    Mr. NEAL. Thank you. I think my time has expired, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman McCRERY. You can have another round.
    Mr. NEAL. Okay.
    Chairman McCRERY. Mr. Brady.
    Mr. BRADY. Thank you. First of all, I want to make it clear 
no one on this panel that I know of is defending corporate 
inversions. On the other hand, we recognize there is no more 
dangerous combination than an election year, a lot of political 
rhetoric, and U.S. jobs at stake. What we are trying to find 
here are solutions to this problem, a problem, by the way, that 
rather than pointing fingers at companies we probably ought to 
be pointing fingers at ourselves. They are following U.S. tax 
law created by Congress and hopefully solved and addressed by 
Congress.
    Mr. Salch, the introduced inversion bills disregard a 
company's inversion and continues to treat the company as a 
domestic U.S. corporation. From your experience, and you have a 
lot, does this approach make U.S. companies even bigger targets 
of foreign takeovers or smaller targets of foreign takeovers?
    Mr. SALCH. It is always difficult to tell looking down your 
crystal ball, but I think if I had to be an odds maker, I would 
say that the odds are more likely than not that it would make 
them bigger targets rather than smaller targets. It just takes 
some people out of the marketplace.
    Mr. BRADY. Sure. From a policy standpoint and a job 
standpoint, isn't making--isn't foreign acquisition, foreign 
takeovers of all U.S. companies a potentially large threat to 
U.S. jobs? I mean, when these takeovers occur decisions are 
made elsewhere. Sometimes they can be a benefit to us when the 
situation is right, but isn't that also a real live threat to 
U.S. jobs?
    Mr. SALCH. Mr. Brady, that is stretching my tax lawyering a 
little bit, too. Let me just say that from some experience 
dealing with U.S. and foreign firms, there may be a tendency to 
think if you are a U.S. firm and you are in your own hometown, 
if that is where your business and your people are, you may 
think long and hard about dismissing those people, whereas if 
your business is someplace else it might be an easier decision 
to make. I mean that is just human nature.
    Mr. BRADY. Sure, and I think the point of all of this is as 
we look for solutions, very thoughtfully, as we put our best 
heads together on this, we need to look at those consequences. 
I am not interested in making U.S. companies more attractive to 
be taken over by foreign firms. I want them to keep U.S. jobs 
and their U.S. headquarters here and do it in a good thoughtful 
way.
    I yield back the balance of my time.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you, Mr. Brady. Let me just follow 
up very quickly, Mr. Salch, to try to give you an example along 
the lines Mr. Brady was talking about.
    Let's assume that there were two companies interested in 
acquiring a U.S. company. One of those companies was a U.S. 
company. The other company is a foreign company. Now, both of 
those corporations look at the transaction, and at least on a 
tax basis which one would have the clear advantage, assuming 
that that U.S. corporation that they are wanting to acquire has 
foreign operations, foreign income.
    Mr. SALCH. That last assumption, that the U.S. corporation 
has foreign operations and foreign income, I think illustrates 
the point I have tried to make in my written statement. If that 
foreign company is based in a country which has a territorial 
system, whether it is exemption or participation or whatever, 
they have an advantage in terms of rates of return, in economic 
theory, that would allow them to price that acquisition 
differently than the domestic corporation looking at the same 
transaction from its perspective, and I think that is one of 
the concerns that is illustrated in the example in my written 
statement.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you. Mr. Ryan.
    Mr. RYAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gentlemen, thank you for 
coming here today because this is really a fairly new issue for 
our Subcommittee.
    We have had, I think, on record 25 inversions over the last 
25 years, or something to that effect, and about 8 of those 
occurred in the last 2 years. So it is a relatively new issue 
that Congress and the country are considering. As I see this 
thing unfold, there are basically two ways to look at it. An 
inversion is a unique isolated problem that needs to be banned 
or abolished in tax law, or an inversion is a symptom of a 
larger problem, which is our tax structure is much, much less 
competitive relative to our competing nations. I think that 
that broader view captures the whole picture much more 
accurately, so we need to hear more from experts like yourself, 
Mr. Salch, as we look at how we fix and address these changes. 
I wanted to ask you a couple of quick questions.
    Have you reviewed the Treasury Department's corporate 
inversion study?
    Mr. SALCH. Yes.
    Mr. RYAN. I had a couple of concerns about that. Again, as 
we react quickly, which I think we are going to do in this 
Congress, we want to make sure we don't involve some unintended 
consequences, make someone pay more taxes than they otherwise 
were paying for no reason. My questions are in these two areas. 
One, if we go from a 1.5 to 1 ratio, safe harbor debt to equity 
ratio, safe harbor regime to a worldwide debt to equity ratio, 
where we compare a domestic holding company or domestic 
subsidiary's debt to equity to the worldwide debt to equity 
ratio, do you think we are going to get some people we 
shouldn't be getting? Meaning, aren't there a lot of businesses 
like a manufacturing business that may have in the U.S. 
operation a credit, high capital intensive or financial 
services business, but because of their structure has higher 
debt in the United States than they otherwise would on the 
worldwide basis, and aren't we going to in effect capture those 
people with safe harbor rules that will in effect raise their 
taxes for no good reason?
    Mr. SALCH. It gets to be a very complicated question to 
answer because you have to decide what your view of money is, 
is it fungible and can it flow? If money is fungible and it can 
flow, then the next question is, is the decision on financing 
made on a businesswide, expanded, affiliated group basis? If it 
is, then the Treasury Department's position on 163(j), which is 
what you are talking about, doesn't seem to me to be a bad 
policy decision with which to begin, because what it says to 
the business is you can make your decision where you want to 
deploy your resources and in what relationship you do that. We 
are going to sort of level that playing field around the world 
wherever you operate as far as we are concerned, and then the 
issue is will our trading partners follow suit, and most of 
them probably would, in my judgment.
    Mr. RYAN. So, you think if we tighten up 163(j) along the 
lines of the Treasury Department that there will be residual 
actions by our foreign competitors?
    Mr. SALCH. To some extent there already are. They are 
already there. This is not a new and novel technique 
necessarily. To the extent that they are not already there, if 
you want to say that from a global sense everyone is concerned 
about preserving what they believe to be their tax base, which 
is their domestic base outside, even in the so-called 
territorial regimes you are looking at their own domestic tax 
base, then they will be interested in measures which eliminate 
stripping of that tax base or eroding that tax base.
    Mr. RYAN. Well, again on 163(j), do you think that there 
are legitimate business reasons why a foreign owned company 
group may choose to place more debt in a U.S. subsidiary 
because of more readily access to our U.S. capital markets? I 
mean, our capital markets in the United States are very 
efficient. Money is cheaper in the United States. To me that is 
a good thing for our economy. We want our capital markets to be 
accessed. We want people to borrow more money in our capital 
markets than in, say, foreign capital markets. Are there or are 
there not legitimate reasons why a company that is held foreign 
but has a large U.S. subsidiary would want to increase their 
debt load in the United States because of cheaper capital 
markets or access to these capital markets?
    Mr. SALCH. Well, understand, Mr. Ryan, that 163(j) doesn't 
have to do with bank debt or capital market debt. It has to do 
with related party debt.
    Mr. RYAN. If it is intercompany debt or if it is 
indebtedness guaranteed by the foreign parent, doesn't that 
include whether or not they are going to have more access or 
less access to the U.S. capital markets? If we follow through 
with this, this idea that we need to tighten this up on 163(j).
    Mr. SALCH. Again, if you believe that money is fungible and 
that there are markets within which a multinational can borrow 
around the world, then I don't think that a global base that 
the Treasury Department proposed is going to necessarily 
prejudice access to U.S. markets for that business to borrow as 
it would any foreign market. The business may borrow wherever 
it is cheapest and able to borrow and then deploy it wherever 
it wishes to do so. All this does is say for in terms of 
preserving our tax base on U.S. revenues with interest payments 
that are moving outside, here is where we draw the line, and it 
is a line that is drawn worldwide without regard to where you 
borrow.
    Mr. RYAN. Okay. So as we draw that line, would it be safe 
to conclude that in seeking to, you know, stop the juice on 
inversions we will also cut back on the ability for a company 
to access U.S. capital markets and raise its indebtedness by 
intercompany debt or guaranteed debt in their U.S. subsidiary 
relative to where they are today?
    Mr. SALCH. No. It is not reasonable because 163(j) has 
nothing to do with capital market access. It has nothing to do 
with where you borrow or at what rate you borrow or where you 
deploy the borrowed funds.
    Mr. RYAN. Won't it raise--don't you believe it will raise 
the cost of borrowing if their taxes are increased?
    Mr. SALCH. No. Well, it raises the cost of borrowing in the 
sense that you are not going to necessarily be able to deduct 
interest if your rate of borrowing is above your worldwide rate 
of borrowing.
    Mr. RYAN. That is right. That is what I am trying to get.
    Mr. SALCH. So to that extent it becomes more expensive for 
you to leverage in the United States than it does to use equity 
in the United States.
    Mr. RYAN. Thank you. It took me a while to get there, but 
that is what I was trying to get at. Appreciate it.
    Chairman McCRERY. I think Mr. Ryan raises some interesting 
points and ones that we ought to consider. I am not sure that 
the conclusion he reaches is one that we ought to embrace right 
now without further examination. I think Mr. Salch's remarks 
were right on point, that there are a lot of different 
motivations for accessing capital markets, both here and 
abroad, and we ought not conclude that just because a guarantee 
by the foreign parent would bring that under 163(j) and 
preclude them from deducting that interest would necessarily 
preclude them from accessing our capital markets.
    Mr. RYAN. If the Chairman would yield.
    Chairman McCRERY. Sure.
    Mr. RYAN. I am not drawing a conclusion. I am trying to get 
some answers, and this is thick stuff and I think it is 
important that we dig as far as we can to see if there are some 
unintended consequences that might result from passing these 
recommendations, and that is really where I am trying to go.
    Chairman McCRERY. Well, I agree. I think we ought to 
examine this very carefully to try to make sure that there are 
not unintended consequences that would be deleterious to job 
creation here in the United States, and that was the whole 
point I tried to make in the opening in our discussion with Mr. 
Neal and the other panelists.
    Mr. Weller.
    Mr. WELLER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and again I want to 
express gratitude to our distinguished panel here, our second 
panel, two experts in important areas. In building on some of 
the points that were made by colleagues, particularly Mr. Brady 
and Mr. Ryan, the flaw that I hear the greatest concern about, 
the Treasury Department illustrated it a few weeks ago and I 
hear it from others, regarding Mr. Neal's proposal regarding 
the issue of inversions is that it would make American owned 
and headquartered companies more attractive for foreign 
takeover. I was wondering, Mr. Blumenthal, does that concern 
you about the proposal? Are you concerned about that as well?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. It would concern me certainly, if I thought 
that this kind of proposal would have a dramatic or a material 
effect on foreign takeovers of American companies. I think 
there are a variety of factors that affect these kinds of 
takeovers. I am not a mergers and acquisitions lawyer, but the 
reasons for foreign takeovers involve a great many complex and 
sometimes changing financial issues just as access to foreign 
or domestic capital markets is more complex than perhaps we can 
summarize.
    Mr. WELLER. Mr. Blumenthal, you had indicated your primary 
premise is you are here as an advocate of shareholder rights in 
the presentation that you made. If a company is taken over by a 
foreign company, an American company is taken over by a company 
that is headquartered in a foreign nation, does that concern 
you on the impact of shareholder rights and how it impacts the 
rights of American shareholders of that company?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Very much so.
    Mr. WELLER. As we discuss this, I think, you know, as Mr. 
Ryan pointed out, that inversion really is--a growing course of 
inversions really illustrate a symptom of our complicated Tax 
Code and now that we are in a global economy and, of course, we 
want to be more competitive in a global economy, our Tax Code 
is one of the issues out there and the inversions clearly are 
illustrating that we have a problem. I asked Mr. Maloney, what 
would be the first step he would take to make our Tax Code more 
competitive, and he suggested sunsetting the Tax Code. Do you 
agree?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. I do agree.
    Mr. WELLER. So you feel that that--and what would you do 
from that point of sunsetting the Tax Code, what would you do 
from that point once you end it?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Well, I am not prepared, with all due 
respect, to talk in detail about what I would do on the Tax 
Code. I agree that there ought to be real reform. I take from 
the Chairman's remarks that far-reaching reform is probably not 
going to happen in the remainder of this year or in this 
session of the Congress, that it will be the subject of further 
study. I do think that for the sake of the credibility of the 
American business as well as our Tax Code, this measure makes 
sense now.
    Mr. WELLER. Mr. Salch, now, the concern that Mr. Neal's 
proposal would actually encourage or leave American 
corporations vulnerable for foreign takeover, how would you 
change his proposal to address that issue? Have you put any 
thought into that?
    Mr. SALCH. I guess I have to start out by saying I don't 
think his proposal will work. There are ways to deal with this 
proposal and that is why people like me make a living. If I 
told him how I could fix his proposal then I probably would 
really get fixed. I am not really sure because, as I said in my 
testimony, the concern I have is that we have a level playing 
field and Mr. Neal's bill, well thought, takes a slice and in 
that one little slice it says you can't do these things. Then 
there is everything else that is left un touched. I am not so 
sure--as a matter of fact, I am reasonably sure that we can 
develop methodologies to deal with the other things and still 
keep them moving forward for these people who are within the 
slice.
    Mr. WELLER. Mr. Salch, the feeling is we need to put a stop 
to inversions. We need to put a stop right now. Would a 
moratorium be more effective in quickly bringing a halt to any 
future inversions that are being considered right now in 
corporate America?
    Mr. SALCH. Not the way the bill is written, no. It takes 
Mr. Neal's definitions, and quite honestly, there are a lot 
smarter people than I am and I am sure who can drive a bigger 
truck than I could build through it.
    Mr. WELLER. So there is a lot of--this is something that is 
going to take a tremendous amount of thought; we can't rush 
into is what you are saying?
    Mr. SALCH. Mr. Weller, as I sit here I am reminded that 
then Treasury Secretary George Shultz told this Committee in 
1969, when the Committee was considering limitations on 
artificial losses and the Chairman asked Mr. Shultz if he could 
guarantee that if the Committee enacted that measure it would 
stop all the abuses then perceived. Mr. Shultz thought about it 
and said, Mr. Chairman, it is the best mousetrap we can build 
right now but there are 10,000 lawyers and certified public 
accounts (CPAs) out there trying to build a better mouse while 
we are talking about it, and now there are probably about 
30,000 lawyers and CPAs in this country and then another 50,000 
outside. I think that is, I guess, the nature of the beast that 
we have to deal with. I am not sure there is a perfect way to 
stop inversions without stopping all business dead in its 
tracks, and that is certainly not desirable.
    Then I think we have all learned over the years that 
whatever lines are drawn there is always a two-edged sword and 
somebody will find some way to work the other side of the line. 
That is the problem with section 482 and earnings stripping. It 
works great when you are trying to get income flowing into the 
United States with respect to services and goods that are 
exported, but it doesn't work so well sometimes when the flow 
is coming this way.
    Mr. WELLER. I have run out of time. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you. Mr. Neal.
    Mr. NEAL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Salch, do you favor 
inversion?
    Mr. SALCH. Mr. Neal, I don't favor or disfavor inversions. 
I don't like the embellishments that I see to some of the more 
recent inversions, which are based strictly on transactions. I 
have serious policy reservations about that, but what I call a 
classic inversion I don't think is unpatriotic.
    Mr. NEAL. You don't think it is unpatriotic?
    Mr. SALCH. No, sir.
    Mr. NEAL. Do you do any inversion work?
    Mr. SALCH. Pardon.
    Mr. NEAL. Do you do any inversion work?
    Mr. SALCH. I have done inversion work. I don't have any 
currently in process, now, sir.
    Mr. NEAL. I have a list here of 25 companies, and I don't 
think that any one of these companies was threatened with 
takeover as they went to Bermuda. Could I send these companies 
along to you because the suggestion has been made here by some 
Members of the Committee that the reason that these companies 
might be leaving is because of American taxes that conceivably 
also threaten them with merger or takeover or--but I have got 
25 companies here, and I am not aware of any of them that were 
being threatened with takeover.
    [The information follows:]

                                          Corporate Expatriate List \1\
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                       Company Name                             Date of Inversion          U.S. Headquarters
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Accenture (ACN)                                                            July 2001                 Chicago, IL
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Amerist Insurance                                                               1999
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APW (APWLF)                                                                                        Waukesha, WI
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Cooper Industries (CBE)                                                 May 21, 2002                Houston, TX
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Everest Re (RE)                                                                 2000                           Liberty Corner, NJ
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Foster Wheeler Ltd. (FWC)                                               May 25, 2001                Clinton, NJ
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Fruit of the Loom (FTLAQ)                                              March 4, 1999          Bowling Green, KY
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Gold Reserve (GLDR under the OTC)                                               1999                Spokane, WA
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Helen of Troy (HELE)                                               February 16, 1994                El Paso, TX
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Ingersoll Rand (IR)                                                December 31, 2001                 Woodcliff Lake, NJ
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Leucadia National Corp. (LUK)                                  Yes vote May 15 (move               New York, NY
                                                                          postponed)
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McDermott International (MDR)                                                   1983              New Orleans, LA
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Nabors Industries (NBR)                                                 June 14 vote                Houston, TX
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Noble Drilling (NE)                                                      May 1, 2002                     Sugar Land, TX
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Playstar (PLAYF)                                                                1998
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PriceWaterhouseCoopers (PWCC)                                            May 2, 2002               New York, NY
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PXRE Group Ltd. (PXT)                                                           1999                 Edison, NJ
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Seagate Technology                                                              2002          Scotts Valley, CA
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Stanley Works (SWK)                                                          pending            New Britain, CT
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Transocean Inc. (RIG)                                                       May 1999                Houston, TX
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Triton Energy                                                                   1996                 Dallas, TX
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Tyco (TYC)                                                                March 1997                 Exeter, NH
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Veritas DGC (VTS)                                                                                   Houston, TX
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Weatherford International Inc. (WFT)                                       June vote                Houston, TX
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White Mountain Insurance Company                                                1999      White River Junction,
  (WTM)                                                                                                 Vermont
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XOMA (XOMA)                                                                     1999               Berkeley, CA
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\1\ Information compiled from various news sources, by the Office of Representative Richard Neal.

                               

    Mr. SALCH. I don't have the benefit of your list, sir, so I 
can't comment.
    Mr. NEAL. I am going to send it along to you.
    Mr. SALCH. Okay, that is fine. That is good.
    Mr. NEAL. Maybe you can take a look at it and if you could 
get some evidence for us here.
    Mr. SALCH. Sure.
    Mr. NEAL. Okay. I would appreciate that.
    [The information follows:]

                                       Fulbright & Jaworski, L.L.P.
                                        Galveston, Texas 77551-5719
                                                       July 9, 2002

Hon. Jim McCrery
Chairman
Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures
Committee on Ways and Means
House of Representatives
1102 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

    Dear Chairman McCrery:

    During the Subcommittee Hearing on June 25, 2002, Representative 
Neal stated he would forward to me a list with the names of 25 
businesses and asked if I would indicate whether I knew any of them 
were takeover candidates at the times stated in the list. I have 
received that list. Most of the businesses named on the list are 
clients or former clients.
    The Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct, the ethics 
rules mandated by the Texas Supreme Court for attorneys licensed in 
Texas, preclude me from unauthorized disclosure of confidences of 
clients or former clients. Because of those ethical constraints, it 
would not be ethically appropriate for me to comment in response to Mr. 
Neal's request.
    I apologize for any inconvenience this may occasion for the 
Subcommittee.

            Very truly yours,

                                                    Steven C. Salch
                                                            Partner

                               

    Mr. NEAL. Mr. Blumenthal, do you think that the 
shareholders were aware of the fact that Stanley Works' Chief 
Executive Office John Trani conceivably would have received 58 
cents on every dollar, I guess up $30 million or so, based upon 
their decision to relocate?
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. They certainly weren't told about it. If 
they knew they had information that the majority of them, in 
fact the vast majority of them, didn't have and weren't told 
that kind of information really should have been given to them 
along with the fact that many of them would have to pay capital 
gains taxes. They weren't told, for example, that $150 million 
in capital gains taxes would have to be paid by shareholders.
    Mr. NEAL. Many of these employees are retired.
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Are retired and many are in 401(k) plans.
    Mr. NEAL. 401(k) plans.
    Mr. Chairman, could we have a copy, if Mr. Blumenthal would 
provide it for us, of the newest proxy statement included in 
the record?
    Chairman McCRERY. Without objection.
    [The information follows:]
                              RISK FACTORS

Certain Stanley Connecticut Shareholders Will Recognize a Taxable Gain 
as a Result of Exchanging their Stanley Connecticut Common Stock for 
Stanley Bermuda Common Shares in the Reorganization

    Our tax advisor, Ernst & Young LLP, has advised us that generally 
for U.S. Federal income tax purposes shareholders who are U.S. holders 
will recognize gain, if any, but not loss, on the receipt of Stanley 
Bermuda common shares in exchange for Stanley Connecticut common stock 
pursuant to the reorganization. Such a holder will generally recognize 
gain equal to the excess, if any, of the trading price of the Stanley 
Bermuda common shares received in exchange for Stanley Connecticut 
common stock in the reorganization over the holder's adjusted tax basis 
in the shares of Stanley Connecticut common stock exchanged therefore. 
Generally, any such gain will be capital gain. Shareholders will not be 
permitted to recognize any loss realized on the exchange of their share 
of Stanley Connecticut common stock in the reorganization. In such 
case, the aggregate adjusted tax basis in the Stanley Bermuda common 
shares received would equal the aggregate adjusted tax basis of their 
shares of Stanley Connecticut common stock. Thus, subject to any 
subsequent increases in the trading price of Stanley Bermuda common 
shares, any loss would be preserved. The holding period for any Stanley 
Bermuda common shares received by a U.S. holder recognizing gain with 
respect to the reorganization should begin the day after the effective 
date of the reorganization. The holding period for any Stanley Bermuda 
common share received by U.S. holders with a loss on their Stanley 
Connecticut common stock will include the holding period of the Stanley 
Connecticut common stock exchanged for those shares.
    WE URGE YOU TO CONSULT YOUR TAX ADVISORS REGARDING YOUR PARTICULAR 
TAX CONSEQUENCES OF THE REORGANIZATION.

The Benefits of the Reorganization Could be Reduced or Eliminated if 
There Are Unfavorable Changes in or Interpretations of Tax Laws

    Several Members of the U.S. Congress have introduced legislation 
that, if enacted, would have the effect of eliminating the anticipated 
tax benefits of the transaction. On March 6, 2002, Representative 
Richard E. Neal (along with 18 cosponsors) introduced legislation (H.R. 
3884) that, for U.S. Federal tax purposes, would treat a foreign 
corporation, such as Stanley Bermuda, that undertakes a corporate 
expatriation transaction such as the reorganization as a domestic 
corporation and, thus, such foreign corporation would be subject to 
U.S. Federal income tax. The Neal Legislation is proposed to be 
effective for corporate expatriation transactions completed after 
September 11, 2001. Representative James H. Maloney has also introduced 
legislation that is substantially similar to the Neal Legislation, 
including a September 11, 2001 effective date (H.R. 3922). 
Representative Scott McInnis has also introduced legislation that is 
substantially similar to the Neal Legislation, except that it is 
proposed to apply to transactions completed after December 31, 2001 
(H.R. 3857). Representative Nancy Johnson has also introduced 
legislation that is substantially similar to the Neal Legislation, 
except that it is proposed to apply to transactions completed after 
September 11, 2001 and beginning before December 31, 2003 (H.R. 4756). 
Furthermore, Senator Charles Grassley, the Ranking Minority Member of 
the Senate Finance Committee, along with Senator Max Baucus, the 
Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, also introduced legis1ation, 
which was approved by the Senate Finance Committee on June 18, 2002, 
that is substantially similar to the Neal Legislation, except that it 
is proposed to apply to transactions completed after March 20, 2002 (S. 
2119). If any of the Neal Legislation, the Maloney Legislation, the 
McInnis Legislation, the Johnson Legislation or the Grassley 
Legislation were enacted with their proposed effective dates, the 
anticipated tax savings from the reorganization would not be realized. 
Senator Paul Wellstone has also introduced legislation that is 
substantially similar to the Neal Legislation, except that it is 
proposed to apply to tax years beginning after December 31, 2002 
without regard to when such transactions were completed (S. 2050). If 
the Wellstone Legislation were enacted with its proposed effective 
date, the anticipated tax savings from the reorganization would be 
substantially eliminated.
    Several other Members of the U.S. Congress and the Treasury 
Department are currently investigating transactions such as the 
reorganization. On May 17, 2002, the Office of Tax Policy of the 
Department of the Treasury issued their preliminary report on off-shore 
reincorporation transactions which concluded:

        L  ``We must work to ensure that our tax system does not 
        operate to place U.S.-based companies at a competitive 
        disadvantage in the global marketplace. The tax policy issues 
        raised by the recent inversion activity are serious issues. 
        Further work is needed to develop and implement an appropriate 
        and effective long-term response. As an immediate matter, 
        careful attention should be focused on ensuring that an 
        inversion transaction, or any other transaction resulting in a 
        new foreign parent, cannot be used to reduce inappropriately 
        the U.S. tax on income from U.S. operations. A comprehensive 
        review of the U.S. tax system, particularly the international 
        tax rules, is both appropriate and timely. Our overreaching 
        goal must be to maintain the position of the United States as 
        the most desirable location in the world for place of 
        incorporation, location of headquarters, and transaction of 
        business.''

    As a result of the increased scrutiny of such transactions, changes 
in the tax laws, tax treaties or tax regulations may occur, with 
prospective or retroactive effect, which would eliminate or 
substantially reduce the anticipated tax benefits of the reorganization 
or subject the company to material tax liability as a result of the 
reorganization. If in response to any such changes the reorganized 
company or its subsidiaries undertake a corporate restructuring, such 
restructuring could result in additional material tax liability to the 
company or its shareholders.
    In addition, the IRS or other taxing authority could disagree with 
our assessment of the effects or interpretation of existing laws, 
regulations and treaties (including Stanley Bermuda's treatment as a 
tax resident of Barbados), which could subject the company to material 
tax liability as a result of the reorganization or subject the future 
operations of the reorganized company and its subsidiaries to material 
tax liability.

The Benefits of the Reorganization Could be Reduced or Eliminated if 
the IRS Successfully Challenges the Tax Treatment of the Reorganization

    We believe that Stanley Connecticut should not incur a material 
amount of U.S. Federal income or withholding tax as a result of the 
reorganization. It should be noted, however, that the IRS may not agree 
with this conclusion. If the IRS were to challenge successfully the tax 
treatment of the reorganization, this could result in the company being 
liable for a material amount of taxes. Liability for a material amount 
of taxes could reduce or eliminate the expected tax benefits of the 
reorganization and could also have an adverse impact on the company's 
liquidity and capital resources.

Stanley Bermuda May Become Subject to a Material Amount of U.S. 
Corporate Income Tax, Which Would Reduce Stanley Bermuda's Net Income

    Stanley Connecticut currently is subject to U.S. corporate income 
tax on its worldwide income. After the reorganization, Stanley 
Connecticut and its subsidiaries will continue to be subject to U.S. 
corporate income tax on their operations. Stanley Bermuda anticipates 
that its non-U.S. operations will not be subject to U.S. corporate 
income tax other than withholding taxes imposed on U.S. source dividend 
and interest income.
    Stanley Bermuda and other non-U.S. Stanley affiliates intend to 
conduct their operations in a manner that will cause them not to be 
engaged in the conduct of a trade or business in the U.S. Stanley 
Bermuda intends to comply with guidelines developed by its tax advisors 
designed to ensure that Stanley Bermuda and its non-U.S. affiliates do 
not engage in the conduct of a U.S. trade or business, and thus, 
Stanley Bermuda and its non-U.S. affiliates believe that they should 
not be required to pay U.S. corporate income tax, other than 
withholding tax on U.S. source dividend and interest income. However, 
if the IRS successfully contends that Stanley Bermuda or any of its 
non-U.S. affiliates are engaged in a trade or business in the U.S., 
Stanley Bermuda or that non-U.S. affiliate would be required to pay 
U.S. corporate income tax on income that is subject to the taxing 
jurisdiction of the U.S., and possibly the U.S. branch profits tax. Any 
such tax payments would reduce Stanley Bermuda's net income.

The Enforcement of Judgments in Shareholder Suits Against Stanley 
Bermuda May Be More Difficult Because Stanley Bermuda is Incorporated 
in Bermuda

    Stanley Bermuda is a Bermuda company. As a result, it may be 
difficult for you to effect service of process within the United States 
or to enforce judgments obtained against Stanley Bermuda in United 
States courts. However, Stanley Bermuda will irrevocably agree that it 
may be served with process with respect to actions based on offers and 
sales of securities made in the United States by having Stanley 
Connecticut, located at 1000 Stanley Drive, New Britain, Connecticut 
06053, be its United States agent appointed for that purpose.
    Stanley Bermuda has been advised by its Bermuda counsel, Appleby, 
Spurling & Kempe, that a judgment for the payment of money rendered by 
a court in the United States based on civil liability would not be 
automatically enforceable in Bermuda because there is no Bermuda law or 
treaty between the U.S. and Bermuda providing for the enforcement in 
Bermuda of a monetary judgment entered by a U.S. court. Stanley Bermuda 
has also been advised by Appleby, Spurling & Kempe that a final and 
conclusive judgment obtained in a court of competent jurisdiction in 
the United States under which a sum of money is payable as compensatory 
damages may be the subject of an action in the Supreme Court of Bermuda 
under the common law doctrine of obligation, by action on the debt 
evidenced by the court's judgment. Such an action should be successful 
upon proof that the sum of money is due and payable, and without having 
to prove the facts supporting the underlying judgment, as long as:

         Lthe court that gave the judgment was competent to 
        hear the action in accordance with private international law 
        principles as applied by the courts in Bermuda; and
         Lthe judgment is not contrary to public policy in 
        Bermuda, was not obtained by fraud or in proceedings contrary 
        to natural justice of Bermuda and is not based on an error in 
        Bermuda law.

    A Bermuda court may impose civil liability on Stanley Bermuda or 
its directors or officers in a suit brought in the Supreme Court of 
Bermuda against Stanley Bermuda or such persons with respect to facts 
that constitute a violation of U.S. Federal securities laws, provided 
that the facts surrounding such violation would constitute or give rise 
to a cause of action under Bermuda law.

Anti-takeover Provisions in Stanley Bermuda's Bye-laws and its 
Shareholders Rights Plan Will Maintain Certain Existing Anti-takeover 
Provisions of Stanley Connecticut

    Similar to the current authority of Stanley Connecticut's board of 
directors, the board of directors of Stanley Bermuda may issue 
preferred shares and determine their rights and qualifications. The 
issuance of preferred shares may delay, defer or prevent a merger, 
amalgamation, tender offer or proxy contest involving Stanley Bermuda. 
This may cause the market price of Stanley Bermuda's shares to decrease 
significantly.
    In addition, provisions in Stanley Bermuda's bye-laws and 
shareholders rights plan, which replicate certain provisions of Stanley 
Connecticut's restated certificate of incorporation, bylaws and its 
shareholders rights plan, could discourage unsolicited takeover bids 
from third parties or the removal of incumbent management. These 
provisions include a classified board of directors and the possible 
dilution of a potential acquiror's interest in Stanley Bermuda as a 
result of the operation of its shareholders rights plan.

Your Rights as a Shareholder May be Adversely Changed as a Result of 
the Reorganization Because of Differences between Bermuda Law and 
Connecticut Law and Differences in Stanley Bermuda's and Stanley 
Connecticut's Organizational Documents

    Because of differences in Bermuda law and Connecticut law and 
differences in the governing documents of Stanley Bermuda and Stanley 
Connecticut, your rights as a shareholder may be adversely changed if 
the reorganization is completed. For a description of these 
differences, see ``Summary--Rights of Shareholders'' on page 11 and 
``Comparison of Rights of Shareholders'' beginning on page 40.

                               

    Mr. NEAL. Would that be okay? I want to thank you both for 
your testimony, and I don't have an opponent at the moment, so 
for the suggestion to be made, as it has been made, that some 
of this is about politics is wrong. I started on this with 
reinsurance 2 years ago largely driven by corporate 
considerations. One of the great things about an election is 
that the election does crystallize the issue for the great 
judge in the end, the American people, to decide, and I am 
hopeful that this debate is going to continue. I am hopeful 
that we will have good witnesses like you two to continue this 
debate back home.
    Most importantly, I am hoping that average taxpayers who 
understand that if we are spending $48 billion more for 
defense, $38 billion more for homeland security, and these 
companies are leaving, I hope the average taxpayer understands 
they are going to pick up the difference.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman McCRERY. Thank you.
    Mr. Salch, do you happen to know the trend in the last few 
years in terms of foreign companies taking over American 
companies or American companies taking over foreign companies?
    Mr. SALCH. I believe that the Associated Press (AP) 
reported earlier this month that there was a study that 
starting in 1998 there had been a steady increase in the amount 
of merger activity or acquisition activity and investment 
activity with foreign owners in the United States. So, to that 
extent from 1998 forward the AP, for whatever that is worth, 
reports that the trend is an up trend.
    Chairman McCRERY. In fact, I believe in that same story it 
said that 80 percent of the large transactions since 1998 have 
been foreign takeovers of American companies. Is that--do you 
recall seeing that number?
    Mr. SALCH. I believe that is right, sir.
    Chairman McCRERY. So even though you can't say they were 
takeover targets, the fact is over the last few years the vast 
majority of mergers between foreign companies and U.S. 
companies have involved foreign takeovers of American 
companies. There must be some reasons for that, and I would 
submit that the testimony that we have heard here today 
illustrates clearly that one of the reasons is the underlying 
tax provisions that are the subject of this hearing.
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Mr. Chairman, may I respond briefly to that 
point, because I think it is a very insightful and thoughtful 
one. I think all of us, at least on both sides of this panel, 
have very, very grave concerns about foreign takeovers of 
American companies, and I certainly share that concern with 
you. I am not here to advocate one reform or another, whether 
sunsetting or any particular measure of fundamental reform. I 
think the concern about takeovers has to be seen separately 
from this measure, with all due respect, and may relate to more 
fundamental issues regarding our Tax Code. I think it perhaps 
conceptually and practically can be separated from the reason 
that we are here today.
    Chairman McCRERY. Well, I appreciate your remarks but I 
disagree with you, respectfully. I think they are intertwined, 
because if we take away from an American company a tool to 
avoid or to reduce the U.S. taxes and avoid being such an 
attractive takeover target, then they have nowhere else to go 
but to be taken over if they are a right target.
    So I do think that the issues are intertwined and we ought 
to address, to the extent that we can, both issues in a single 
piece of legislation. That just seems to me to make a lot of 
sense. I believe this Committee and this Congress has a duty to 
try to balance our--all of our desire to make sure that 
corporations in America pay their fair share of taxes with our 
desire to make sure that our economy is one that is suitable 
for the creation and preservation of good jobs. There is no 
question that a foreign takeover of an American corporation has 
a more harmful effect on jobs in America than an inversion. So, 
I do think they are related, and if we don't look at both, I 
think we are not doing our duty to the taxpayers and to our 
constituents.
    Mr. BRADY. If the Chairman will yield just a moment, I want 
to point out what Mr. Salch just said, not 10 minutes ago, that 
the bill as it currently is written would make U.S. companies 
more likely to be taken over by foreign companies. So we cannot 
separate the issue of foreign takeovers of U.S. companies from 
corporate inversion--again, known as defending these actions--
but we also don't want to create another very unpatriotic 
effect of chasing and driving U.S. companies overseas and those 
jobs with them.
    Mr. NEAL. Mr. Chairman, would you be so kind as to give me 
the last word?
    Chairman McCRERY. Sure.
    Mr. NEAL. In a report here from the U.S. Department of 
Commerce in June 2002, by Tom Anderson, he says: ``In 2001 
outlays by foreign direct investors to acquire or establish 
U.S. businesses decreased substantially.''
    Chairman McCRERY. With all due respect----
    Mr. NEAL. You said you would give me the last word, Mr. 
Chairman.
    Chairman McCRERY. I know, but since you are reading from 
the report, and I just happen to have a report on the report 
here, you should know that even though that is true, what you 
said----
    Mr. NEAL. It is basically always true, Mr. Chairman.
    Chairman McCRERY. Even though what you said is true--let me 
see--even with the big drop last year, the overall spending was 
still higher than for any year prior to 1998, the overall 
spending on foreign acquisition of American companies.
    Thank you, gentlemen, very much. Excellent testimony.
    Mr. BLUMENTHAL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. SALCH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    [Whereupon, at 5:50 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
    [Submissions for the record follow:]
                 American Institute of Certified Public Accountants
                                          Washington, DC 20004-1081
                                                      June 28, 2002

The Honorable Jim McCrery
Chair, Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures
House Ways and Means Committee
1110 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

Re: Comments for the Record of the June 25, 2002 House Ways and Means 
Committee Select Revenue Measures Subcommittee Hearing on Corporate 
Inversions

    Dear Chairman McCrery:

    The American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA) is 
pleased to provide our comments for the record of the June 25, 2002 
House Ways and Means Committee Select Revenue Measures Subcommittee 
hearing with respect to the issue of corporate inversion transactions. 
The AICPA is the national, professional organization of certified 
public accountants comprised of more than 350,000 members. Our members 
advise clients on Federal, state, and international tax matters, and 
prepare income and other tax returns for millions of Americans. They 
provide services to individuals, not-for-profit organizations, small 
and medium-sized businesses, as well as America's largest businesses.
    Several high-profile U.S. corporations have recently inverted or 
announced plans to invert.\1\ In general, an inversion transaction is 
one in which a U.S.-based company becomes a foreign-based company, 
where the new foreign parent company is typically located in a low-tax 
country. Although corporate inversions are not new, these recent 
activities and plans have prompted both Congress and the Treasury 
Department to focus on inversions and the resulting effect on the U.S. 
tax base. In addition to the inversion transactions themselves, both 
Congress and the Treasury Department have been examining earnings 
stripping plans (e.g., through U.S. tax deductions for interest 
payments by a U.S. subsidiary to its foreign parent on ``loaded up'' 
intercompany debt) that are often a part of an inversion plan. In 
response, several bills have been introduced \2\ and the Treasury 
Department issued a preliminary report reviewing corporate inversion 
transactions on May 17, 2002 (the ``Treasury Report'').\3\ On June 18, 
2002, the Senate Finance Committee marked-up a proposal that would 
address the inversion issue in a somewhat targeted manner. Accordingly, 
the AICPA believes it is appropriate to submit comments at this time.
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    \1\ For example, Ingersoll Rand, Coopers Industries and Global 
Marine inverted in 2001, while Stanley Works has announced inversion 
plans for 2002.
    \2\ H.R. 3857 introduced by Rep. McInnis (R-CO); H.R. 3884, 
``Corporate Patriot Enforcement Act of 2002'' introduced by Rep. 
Richard Neal (D-MA); H.R. 3922, ``Save America's Jobs Act of 2002'' 
introduced by Rep. Maloney (D-NY); H.R. 4756, ``Uncle Sam Wants You Act 
of 2002'' introduced by Rep. Nancy Johnson (R-CN); H.R. 4993, ``No Tax 
Breaks for Corporations Renouncing America Act of 2002'' introduced by 
Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX); S. 2050, introduced by Sen. Paul Wellstone 
(D-MN) and Sen. Dayton (D-MN); and S. 2119, ``Reversing the 
Expatriation of Profits Offshore (REPO) Act'' introduced by Sen. Max 
Baucus (D-MT) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa).
    \3\ U.S. Treasury, Office of Tax Policy, Corporate Inversion 
Transactions: Tax Policy Implications, Doc. 2002-12218, 2002 TNT 98-49, 
http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/docs/inversion.pdf.
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    The AICPA appreciates the political and policy issues that have 
been expressed as part of the inversion debate. We strongly believe, 
however, that an appropriate response should not focus solely on the 
act of inverting, but rather on the incentives for U.S.-based 
multinational corporations to invert. Such a response should include 
consideration of both U.S. tax disadvantages facing U.S.-based 
multinationals as well as U.S. tax advantages available to foreign-
based multinationals. The response should be broad enough to address 
these concerns regardless of whether a corporate group chooses to be 
foreign-based as a result of an inversion, an acquisition, or through 
initial formation.
    We believe the goal of a legislative response should be to ensure 
that the United States remains an attractive and competitive venue both 
for basing multinational operations as well as for foreign investment. 
In particular, we believe that the U.S. tax treatment for multinational 
groups with a U.S. parent corporation should be at least as favorable 
as that for multinational groups with a foreign parent. Further, we are 
concerned that any legislation narrowly focused solely on preventing 
inversion transactions, or making them less attractive, will fail to 
address the underlying long-term policy issues, and could have 
unintended negative effects on the U.S. economy, such as potentially 
encouraging the takeover of U.S.-based companies by foreign acquirers.
    We would like to commend the Members of Congress and the Treasury 
Department for giving this serious issue such prompt attention. We urge 
caution, however, because inversions involve very complex and 
fundamental tax issues that warrant careful consideration. We agree 
with the Treasury Department's conclusions in the Treasury Report that 
inversions are symptomatic of underlying differences in U.S. tax law 
and policy with regard to U.S.-based companies and foreign-based 
companies with operations in the United States. The AICPA strongly 
supports the Treasury Department's recommendation that rather than 
enacting measures designed simply to halt inversion transactions, the 
broader question of the U.S. taxation of foreign operations should be 
addressed through a comprehensive review of the causes of these 
imbalances.
    In view of the potential far-reaching effect of any provisions 
enacted to deal with inversions, we urge the Congress to address the 
underlying issues discussed below in a reasoned and carefully 
considered manner. If immediate action is deemed necessary, we would 
encourage the Congress to adopt a bill that would, for a period not to 
exceed two years, treat a new foreign corporate parent entity, created 
via an inversion in which there was no substantial change in operations 
or ownership, as a domestic corporation for U.S. tax purposes (thereby 
nullifying the tax benefits of the inversion). Such a measure would 
provide more time for appropriate consideration of these important and 
integrated matters.
    We believe U.S. tax rules that treat U.S.-based companies 
differently than foreign-based companies and put U.S.-based companies 
at a competitive disadvantage include:

         LThe U.S. anti-deferral regimes (including subpart F) 
        that are dated, complex, overlapping and in many respects, 
        overreaching; and
         LThe U.S. foreign tax credit regime and the 
        limitations thereon, including basketing rules, and, in 
        particular, interest expense allocation rules that can cause 
        double taxation.

    The Treasury Report also highlighted a need to address those 
situations where the U.S. tax base is excessively eroded by 
intercompany indebtedness (so-called earnings stripping). We agree that 
addressing U.S. tax rules that allow foreign-based companies to strip 
earnings out of the United States would help to equalize the U.S. tax 
treatment of U.S.-based companies with U.S. operations as compared to 
foreign-based companies with U.S. operations. Addressing these issues 
will also remove many of the underlying incentives for inversions, and 
prevent erosion of the U.S. tax base by foreign-based companies. 
Earnings stripping itself, however, is also a complex issue and we 
recognize that there will be many issues that will require 
consideration as these rules are modified. In this regard we note that 
the current proposed earnings stripping Treasury regulations have been 
in proposed form for over a decade.\4\ In addition, we urge Congress to 
be mindful of the possible effect on U.S. taxpayers if other countries 
adopt mirror images of selected provisions contained in the Treasury 
Report, such as the debt/equity ratio adjustment proposed for section 
163(j).
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    In sum, we agree with the findings of the Treasury Report that 
there is a need for a methodical, well-reasoned consideration of a 
complex set of issues regarding the U.S. tax treatment of U.S.-based 
companies versus foreign-based companies, regardless of whether the 
foreign-based company is an inverted U.S. company. In addition, we 
recommend caution when considering legislation that attempts to address 
corporate inversions without adequately addressing the current 
disparate treatment of U.S.-based companies versus foreign-based 
companies, a treatment that may have long-term adverse consequences for 
the U.S. economy. As noted in the Treasury Report:

          Measures designed simply to halt inversion activity may 
        address these transactions in the short run, but there is a 
        serious risk that measures targeted too narrowly would have the 
        unintended effect of encouraging a shift to other forms of 
        transactions to the detriment of the U.S. economy in the long 
        run.

    Our goal is a healthy economy and U.S. job growth. We encourage 
legislative changes that enhance U.S. competitiveness in the global 
market and eliminate the current underlying advantages under U.S. tax 
law for foreign-based companies.
    The AICPA would be happy to offer our further assistance on this 
legislation. Please contact me at (805) 653-6300 or [email protected]; 
Andrew Mattson, Chair of the International Tax Technical Resource 
Panel, at (408) 369-2566 or Andy@ mohlernixon.com; or Eileen Sherr, 
AICPA Technical Manager at (202) 434-9256 or [email protected].

            Sincerely,

                                                 Pamela J. Pecarich
                                     Chair, Tax Executive Committee

cc:

Members of House Ways & Means Committee
Members of Senate Finance Committee
Mr. Jon Traub, Legislative Director to Rep. McCrery
Mr. Bob Winters, Special Counsel, House Ways & Means Committee
Ms. Allison Giles, Majority Chief of Staff, House Ways & Means 
    Committee
Mr. John Kelliher, Chief Counsel, House Ways & Means Committee
Mr. James Clark, Chief Tax Counsel, House Ways & Means Committee
Mr. Greg Nickerson, Tax Counsel, House Ways & Means Committee
Ms. Janice Mays, Democratic Chief Counsel, Ways & Means Committee
Mr. John Buckley, Democratic Chief Tax Counsel, Ways & Means Committee
Mr. John Angell, Staff Director, Senate Finance Committee
Mr. Russell Sullivan, Chief Tax Counsel, Senate Finance Committee
Ms. Maria Freese, Tax Counsel, Senate Finance Committee
Ms. Anita Horn Rizek, Democratic Tax Professional Staff, Senate Finance 
    Committee
Mr. Kolan Davis, Republican Staff Director and Chief Counsel, Senate 
    Finance Committee
Mr. Mark Prater, Republican Chief Tax Counsel, Senate Finance Committee
Ms. Lindy L. Paull, Chief of Staff, Joint Committee on Taxation
Mr. H. Benjamin Hartley, Senior Legislation Counsel, Joint Committee on 
    Taxation
Mr. E. Ray Beeman, Legislation Counsel, Joint Committee on Taxation
Mr. David G. Noren, Legislation Counsel, Joint Committee on Taxation
Mr. Oren S. Penn, Legislation Counsel, Joint Committee on Taxation
Mr. Thomas A. Barthold, Senior Economist, Joint Committee on Taxation
Ms. Pamela F. Olson, Acting Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy, 
    Treasury Department
Mr. Rob Hanson, Tax Legislative Counsel, Treasury Department
Ms. Barbara M. Angus, International Tax Counsel, Treasury Department

                               

[By Permission of the Chairman]
             Statement of Ingersoll-Rand, Hamilton, Bermuda

I. Ingersoll-Rand's Corporate Reorganization Was A Lawful And 
Appropriate Response To Competition

    Ingersoll-Rand (``I-R'') is a world-wide manufacturer of a wide 
variety of brand name industrial products with about sixty percent of 
its sales in the United States and forty percent in other countries. It 
is implementing a global growth strategy, with a particular objective 
to encourage global cross-brand selling. To do so effectively, it is 
essential that I-R be competitive with its foreign-incorporated 
competitors.
    As one element of this objective, I-R met every Treasury Department 
requirement for a legal corporate inversion when it reincorporated in 
Bermuda. The reincorporation was undertaken in full public view in the 
fall of 2001 and fully reported to the SEC. It received the approval of 
eighty-nine percent of I-R's voting shareholders. The transaction was 
completed and closed in 2001. There was no indication from the 
Congress, from any Member of Congress during this period, or from any 
official of the Treasury Department or the Securities and Exchange 
Commission, that the transaction should be subject to question. It was 
not until March 2002 that Members of Congress raised concerns about 
inversion transactions. In April 2002, the Treasury Department report 
on inversions confirmed the complete compliance of this transaction 
with current law.
    Significantly, I-R's transaction was taxable on the date of 
reincorporation, both to the corporation and its individual 
shareholders. Shareholder taxes on gain from the exchange of stock are 
the direct result of action taken by the Treasury in 1994 to insure 
that these transactions would not escape U.S. taxation. Thousands of I-
R's individual shareholders paid millions of dollars of tax on this 
transaction. In addition, I-R recognized substantial taxable income.
    Labeling I-R's transaction as unpatriotic is unjust. The 
reorganization will not result in the loss of any U.S. jobs or the 
closure of any U.S. plants. To the contrary, the transaction will 
increase I-R's ability to maintain U.S. operations and to expand U.S. 
manufacturing and employment in the future.
    Finally, if Congress determines that modifications should be made 
to the limitation of interest expense deductibility for U.S. companies 
with foreign parents, such modifications should be applicable to all 
companies. This approach was adopted by the Treasury Department in its 
recent proposals to this Committee with respect to foreign 
reincorporation transactions. The Treasury Department recognized that 
U.S.-based companies are subject to an archaic and burdensome tax 
regime that creates serious problems of competitiveness for those 
companies with foreign-based rivals. Imposing more restrictions on 
interest expense deductibility only for certain types of U.S. companies 
with foreign parents would exacerbate those problems by providing a 
further advantage to other types of U.S. companies with foreign 
parents.

II. A Ban on Inversions Will Be Ineffective and Will Exacerbate the 
Problem of Foreign Takeovers

    At best, a ban on corporate inversions, whether in the form of a 
prohibition or a moratorium, applies a ``Band-Aid'' treatment to a 
symptom of a fundamental problem: the Code's treatment of foreign 
source income. These provisions create an unequal playing field between 
U.S. and foreign global competitors and thereby encourage foreign 
takeovers of U.S. companies. The vast majority of global mergers in the 
past decade between a U.S. and non-U.S. company has resulted in the 
corporate parent choosing the location of the non-U.S. partner as its 
global headquarters. This is not a coincidence; it is largely the 
result of our international tax regime. This trend has far more serious 
implications for U.S. operations and U.S. jobs than corporate 
inversions, which maintain U.S. management of all global corporate 
operations.
    Any attempt to ban inversions will further encourage foreign 
takeovers, injuring American firms, their employees and their 
investors. Even a relatively short-term moratorium will encourage 
foreign takeovers of U.S. corporations. This is a particular concern at 
this time because of the sharp reduction in the value of the dollar, 
making U.S. companies prime targets for takeovers.
    By far the most effective way to discourage inversions is to 
correct the underlying anti-competitive flaws in the U.S. Tax Code that 
place U.S. global companies at a disadvantage with their foreign 
competitors. It is essential that Congress address at the earliest 
possible time the Code's international tax provisions that place U.S. 
companies at such a severe disadvantage.

III. Legislation That Imposes New Taxes Solely On Companies That 
Inverted Should Be Prospective Only

    If Congress determines that reorganizations such as that 
implemented by I-R should be prohibited, or that additional taxes 
should be imposed on such a reorganization, it should do so 
prospectively. At the very least, such changes to the tax laws should 
be prospective from the date on which legislation was introduced or 
announcement of a likely change in the law was made. This, almost 
without exception, is the way in which Congress changes the tax laws 
governing specific transactions so as to avoid fundamentally unfair 
consequences to taxpayers.
    Retroactive application of any prohibition or moratorium to 
transactions that were completed before March 2002 would be punitive 
rather than preventative, because those transactions were completed 
under and fully consistent with existing law before any Member of 
Congress indicated that a change in law would occur. Such a retroactive 
application would be particularly unfair to I-R's shareholders, who 
relied on the benefits offered to the company when they voted to incur 
taxable income from the transaction. Taxes paid by individual I-R 
shareholders may have totaled $100 million. As a practical matter, 
there is no way of returning to all these taxpayers the taxes paid on 
this specific transaction or restoring them to their pre-tax situation. 
When the Treasury Department issued its new regulations governing the 
tax treatment for shareholders on inversions in 1994, it did so 
prospectively. The regulations did not affect completed transactions.
    Nullifying I-R's transaction retroactively could also be unfair to 
the company, which made a decision to act based upon the law as it then 
existed. If certain of the proposals before this Committee are enacted, 
companies will have the opportunity to make choices that were not 
available to I-R in seeking to satisfy the terms of the new 
legislation. For example, I-R could have reorganized in a country in 
which it has substantial business activities, a choice that would 
improve its treatment under certain proposed legislation and which 
would have had identical tax consequences to the reorganization in 
Bermuda. This choice may be available to any company that has not yet 
acted, but it was not available to I-R.
    In addition, there are serious due process concerns with 
legislation such as a prohibition on inversions that retroactively 
imposes a new tax without any notice to the taxpayer. Only two types of 
tax legislation are generally subject to retroactive enactment: (1) 
changes in tax rates and other such adjustments to existing tax laws, 
which are often enacted retroactive to the beginning of the tax year 
for administrative simplicity; and (2) technical corrections to laws 
that have been enacted recently but unintentionally left ``loopholes'' 
that Congress seeks to close retroactive to the original date of 
enactment. The Supreme Court has indicated that U.S. taxpayers are on 
notice that these types of changes in the tax laws may occur 
retroactively, because such changes put legislative intent into effect 
in a reasonable way.
    The ``anti-inversion'' legislative proposals that would operate 
retroactively are not amendments to existing tax law or technical 
corrections seeking to close a recently-enacted loophole. Rather, these 
proposals would retroactively impose wholly new tax burdens, which 
could raise serious due process concerns. In 1995, the Joint Committee 
on Taxation released a report analyzing the due process issues of a 
proposal to modify the tax treatment of individuals that expatriated. 
When applied prospectively, the proposals did not pose due process 
concerns, but the Joint Committee stated that the retroactive 
application of one proposal to a date long before there was any notice 
would be ``an unprecedented retroactive tax law change that would reach 
back and pull a non-U.S. citizen into the jurisdiction of the U.S. tax 
system.'' The concerns expressed by the Joint Committee on Taxation 
were heeded by Congress at that time. These concerns apply equally to 
the retroactive elements of certain legislative proposals under 
consideration by this Committee.

                               

Statement of Donald V. Moorehead, Partner, and Aubrey A. Rothrock III, 
                       Partner, Patton Boggs LLP
    This statement is submitted for inclusion in the record of the 
hearings held by the Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures on June 
13, 2002 concerning possible changes to the Internal Revenue Code of 
1986, as amended (the ``Code''), in light of the recent decision of the 
World Trade Organization (the ``WTO'') with respect to the 
extraterritorial income provisions of the Code. We understand that, in 
fashioning a legislative response to the WTO decision, consideration 
may be given to making numerous changes to the provisions of the Code 
governing the taxation of income earned by U.S.-based businesses from 
their international operations. In this statement, we describe two 
proposals that should be included as part of such a legislative 
package.
Passive Income Attributable to Assets Held to Match CFC Pension 
        Liabilities

    In the United States and many foreign countries, employers may 
establish pension plans for their employees and fund those plans 
through annual contributions to a separate trust or its equivalent. 
Employees and their beneficiaries generally are taxed only when the 
benefits are paid to them. In some countries such as Germany, however, 
the use of a trust or similar funding mechanism would result in the 
imposition of tax on the employees prior to the commencement of 
distributions to them upon retirement.
    Under German law, if an employer creates a pension plan for its 
employees, it is required by law to establish a reserve on its balance 
sheet to reflect liabilities under the plan and to make annual 
additions to the reserve to reflect the discounted present value of its 
future obligations under the plan. Although the basic benefits provided 
under the plan are insured, the insurance is payable only if the 
employer is unable to pay the benefits as they fall due. Employers may 
not formally fund these plans, through an irrevocable trust or similar 
arrangement without adverse tax consequences to their employees.
    In some instances, both as a matter of financial prudence and to 
foster good working relationships with their employees, an employer may 
seek to ``match'' its pension obligations (and offset its balance sheet 
liability) through the purchase of investment assets. German law 
implicitly encourages such practices by providing special tax treatment 
for certain types of investments.
    When the employer is a controlled foreign corporation (a ``CFC''), 
the purchase of assets to match pension obligations can create adverse 
U.S. tax consequences. Specifically, the passive income generated by 
such investments will be treated as foreign base company income under 
the subpart F provisions of the Code and thus, unless it is de minimis 
in amount, will taxed to the U.S. shareholders of the CFC (e.g., the 
U.S. parent corporation) in the year earned by the CFC. Moreover, that 
income will be allocated to the ``passive'' basket for purposes of 
computing the foreign tax credit limitation, even though it is 
incidental to the active business operations of the CFC.
    We believe this is an inappropriate result as a matter of policy. 
The investment of earnings to fund retirement plans has long been 
recognized as desirable from a public policy standpoint and Congress 
itself has sought to provide relief in most instances through section 
404A of the Code. Where, however, the host country does not permit the 
use of a trust or other similar arrangement without adverse tax 
consequences to employees, section 404A provides no relief if assets 
are acquired to ``match'' the liability represented by the pension 
reserve.
    We recommend that, in the case of a CFC engaged in the active 
conduct of a trade or business, income attributable to investment 
assets purchased to match pension reserves should be placed in the same 
foreign tax credit ``basket'' as the income attributable to the CFC's 
active business operations. We also recommend that such income be 
excluded from the definition of foreign base company income and thus 
not taxed to the U.S. shareholders of the CFC unless and until 
distributed to them as a dividend or invested in U.S. property.
Foreign Tax Credit ``Stacking'' Rules

    Because U.S. businesses are taxed on their worldwide income, the 
income they earn from international operations is potentially subject 
to double taxation: once by the foreign country in which it is earned 
and a second time by the U.S. Depending upon the character of such 
income and whether it is earned directly by the U.S. business or 
indirectly through a CFC, the U.S. tax on foreign source income will be 
payable either in the year it is earned or deferred until the income is 
distributed as a dividend to the U.S. shareholders or invested in U.S. 
property.
    The foreign tax credit provisions of the Code are intended to 
reduce the actual incidence of such double taxation and the 
effectiveness with which this objective is achieved is critical to the 
competitive position of American businesses in the world's markets. By 
reason of the operation of certain of these foreign tax credit 
provisions, a U.S. corporation may in fact be unable to claim credits 
on a current basis for all of the foreign taxes paid with respect to 
the foreign source income included in its U.S. tax return. This is true 
even where the applicable foreign tax rates are less than the U.S. 
corporate rate of 35 percent.
    In such situations, the excess credits may be carried back to the 
two preceding taxable years and then forward to the succeeding five 
taxable years. If they cannot be used during this carryover period, 
they expire. Under current law, however, excess credits that are 
carried over to another taxable year may in fact be used only after the 
credits used in that taxable year have been fully utilized. This 
stacking rule thus increases the likelihood that otherwise valid 
credits for foreign taxes actually paid on foreign source income that 
is subject to U.S. tax will not be used and expire.
    We believe this is inappropriate as a matter of policy. Credits for 
foreign taxes actually paid on income that is subject to U.S. tax 
should in our view be permitted to be used at the earliest possible 
date and the Code should be structured so that expiration is only a 
remote possibility. This is particularly true since many U.S. 
corporations are in ``excess credit'' positions largely because of 
provisions of the Code that reduce foreign source income artificially 
(e.g., the over allocation of interest expense to foreign source 
income) or otherwise make it difficult to use credits in the first year 
they are available (e.g., the allocation of types of foreign source 
income to different ``baskets'' and the prohibition on the use of 
credits earned with respect to income in one basket to offset the U.S. 
tax on income in another basket).
    For these reasons, we recommend that section 904(c) of the Code be 
amended to provide that, with respect to any taxable year, foreign tax 
credits would be applied in the following order: (1) credits carried 
forward to that year; (2) credits earned in that year; and (3) credits 
carried back to that taxable year. This approach was taken in prior 
proposed bipartisan international tax simplification legislation and, 
is we believe, a more direct solution to the problem than that 
contained in H.R. 4541. The proposed change would enable the foreign 
tax credit to achieve its objective more effectively and would reduce 
the incentive now inherent in section 904(c) for taxpayers to engage in 
transactions principally to enable them to use foreign tax credits that 
might otherwise expire.

                               

                                          Western Shower Door, Inc.
                                          Fremont, California 94538
                                                       July 9, 2002

Honorable James McCrery
House Ways and Means Committee
Chairman, Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures

Subject: International Taxation/Tax Inversion

    Dear Chairman McCrery:

    Thank you for holding your Subcommittee's meeting today on tax 
inversion. It is an important topic for both big as well as small 
companies, their employees, the long-term competitiveness of the U.S. 
economy and the ownership of companies throughout our Great Republic.
    Western Shower Door, Inc. (``WSD'') is a small/medium-size company. 
We employ approximately 220 workers in California and Nevada.
    WSD is an integrated manufacturer/distributor/specialty 
subcontractor to the builder-direct marketplace. This is a highly 
competitive business with thin profit margins.
    We have been in business for 43 years. We always pay our taxes. We 
are not looking for any special treatment.
    Due to the pressure by the homebuilders and general contractors to 
keep our prices low, we have had to increasingly import more and more 
raw materials and finished goods, which we manufacture and sell on an 
installed basis using U.S. workers. As a result, a larger percentage of 
our profit is coming from overseas procurement rather what is actually 
being produced in the U.S.
    However, we do not think it is fair for the U.S. to tax us on the 
``profit'' between the price of domestic and lower-priced international 
goods. This ``profit'' is often generated when we have to go further 
into debt to pay for such goods often before they arrive at U.S. ports.
    We live in fear of foreign competitors. Such a competitor could buy 
its goods overseas through a foreign company and then legitimately 
transfer the goods at U.S. prices. Hence, it would have no ``profit'' 
on this segment of its business. However, it would have a significant 
competitive advantage over wholly owned U.S. companies, which are 
forced to pay U.S. taxes on such ``profits''.
    We would prefer to remain a wholly owned U.S. company. However, we 
believe we should be allowed the same tax freedom as any foreign 
competitor.
    Again, we are not asking for any special favors. Just give us a 
level-playing field against foreign competitors.
    If Congress can't do that, then don't prohibit us from acting like 
our foreign competition. The long-term issue for you and other Members 
is whether or not you want our sons, daughters and grandchildren 
working for U.S. companies or foreign companies?
    Mr. Jim Easton, who previously worked with Congressman John J. 
``Jimmy'' Duncan as a House Committee Staff Person and also handled 
Ways and Means Committee issues for Mr. Duncan's father (Congressman 
John J. Duncan who was at one time the Ranking Republican on the House 
Ways and Means Committee), will be in touch in your staff on behalf of 
Western Shower Door, Inc. to share our thoughts and ideas on this 
critical matter.
    I look forward to an opportunity for Jim and I to work with your 
staff as this issue continues to gain the close attention of the Ways 
and Means Committee and the Congress.

            Sincerely,

                                                      Craig McCarty
                                                          President

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