Exhibit 8

KIMBERLY GRIPPA DEPOSITION TESTIMONY 

EXCERPTS

Kimberly Grippa v. Ronald Rubin

Case No. 4:20cv457-MW/MAF

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Kimberly Grippa

vs.

Ronald Rubin

Deposition of:

Kimberly Grippa

December 22, 2021

Vol 02

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· · · · · · UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

· · · · · · NORTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA

· · · · · · · · TALLAHASSEE DIVISION

· · · · · · ·Case No. 4:20cv-457-MW/MAF

KIMBERLY GRIPPA,

· · · · · Plaintiff,

vs.

RONALD RUBIN,

· · · · · Defendant.

____________________________________________________

· · VIDEO-RECORDED DEPOSITION OF KIMBERLY GRIPPA

· · · · · · · · · · Volume 2 of 2

· · · · · · · · · (Pages 145 - 259)

· · · · · · ·Wednesday December 22, 2021

· · · · · · · · · ·1:43 p.m. - 4:23 p.m.

· · · · · · · · · · · Via Zoom

· · · · · · Stenographically reported by:

· · · · · · · · ·Mary Bouchard, RPR

· · · · · Registered Professional Reporter

Job No.:· 220541

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·1· ·APPEARANCES:

·2

·3· ·(All appearances via Zoom.)

·4

· · ·On Behalf of Plaintiff:

·5

· · ·MARIE A. MATTOX, P.A.

·6· ·203 North Gadsden Street

· · ·Tallahassee, FL· 32301

·7· ·(850)383-4800

· · ·BY:· MARIE A. MATTOX, ESQ.

·8· · · · marie@mattoxlaw.com

·9

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11· ·On Behalf of Defendant:

12· ·BAILEY & GLASSER, LLP

· · ·1055 Thomas Jefferson Street NW

13· ·Suite 540

· · ·Washington, D.C.· 20007

14· ·(202)463-2101

· · ·BY:· JAMES L. KAUFFMAN, ESQ.

15· · · · jkauffman@baileyglasser.com

16

17

18· ·ALSO PRESENT:

19· ·Alex Rampone, Videographer

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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·I N D E X

·2· ·KIMBERLY GRIPPA:

· · ·Examination· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Page

·3· ·Continued Direct By Mr. Kauffman· · · · · · ·148

· · ·Cross-Examination By Ms. Mattox· · · · · · · 252

·4· ·Certificate of Oath· · · · · · · · · · · · · 256

· · ·Certificate of Reporter· · · · · · · · · · · 257

·5· ·Read and Sign Letter· · · · · · · · · · · · ·258

· · ·Errata Sheet· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·259

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·7· · · · (No Exhibits Marked on Behalf of Plaintiff)

·8· · · · · · · · · ·DEFENDANT'S EXHIBITS

·9· ·No.· · · ·Description· · · · · · · · · · · ·Page

10· · 106· · · 05/20/19 Interview Statement· · · ·202

· · · 107· · · 04/12 West Calendar Entry· · · · · 151

11· · 108· · · KG Production Bates 026-027· · · · 162

· · · 109· · · Bates DFS 7-30-19 003161-3164· · · 164

12· · 110· · · KGProduction-01, Email· · · · · · ·195

· · · 111· · · Bates DFS 3-20-20 003629, Email· · 197

13· · 112· · · Bates DFS 03-20-20 003601-3604· · ·198

· · · 113· · · Bates DFS 3-20-20 002984-2985· · · 218

14· · 114· · · Bates DFS 7-30-19 004915, Email· · 221

· · · 115· · · 07/12/19 Politico Article· · · · · 223

15· · 116· · · Amended Petition· · · · · · · · · ·224

· · · 117· · · 01/01/20 Email from Ms.· · · · · · 225

16· · · · · · ·Mattox/Charge of Discrimination

· · · 118· · · 06/21/19 Tein Malone Letter to· · ·239

17· · · · · · ·Governor DeSantis

· · · 119· · · 06/21/19 Tein Malone Letter· · · · 248

18· · 120· · · Deposition of Kimberly Grippa· · · 251

19· · · · · EXHIBIT MARKED IN PREVIOUS A DEPOSITION

20· ·No.· · · ·Description· · · · · · · · · · · ·Page

21· · · 7· · · 05/13/19 Email to Ryan West· · · · 175

· · · ·94· · · 05/10 Text, 8:06 p.m.· · · · · · · 172

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· · ·STENOGRAPHER'S NOTE:· Marked exhibits were sent to

23· ·Phipps Reporting electronically.· A digital exhibit

· · ·sticker was placed on the documents which were

24· ·marked during the proceeding. Previously marked

· · ·exhibits were not sent.

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·1· · ·(Proceedings continued from Volume 1 at 1:43 p.m.)

·2· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We're back on the

·3· · · · record.· The time is 1:43 p.m.

·4· · · CONTINUED DIRECT EXAMINATION OF KIMBERLY GRIPPA

·5· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

·6· · · · Q.· ·All right.· Ms. Grippa, after your lunch

·7· ·with Mr. Rubin, what happened after that with regard

·8· ·to your job search?

·9· · · · A.· ·Well, I think I told you that.· I've given

10· ·you all of those -- there's all kinds of calendar

11· ·entries with people I met, there's all of the

12· ·applications for FSU, there's other communications

13· ·about meeting with people.· It just continues.

14· · · · Q.· ·Right.· The job that you did get in April

15· ·was in the Department of Financial Services,

16· ·correct?

17· · · · A.· ·Yes.

18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And do you know how that came

19· ·about?

20· · · · A.· ·How the job came about?

21· · · · Q.· ·Uh-huh, how you came to get that job.

22· · · · A.· ·I met with Ryan in April, 2019, and we

23· ·reviewed my resume, and we talked about things I had

24· ·done and what I was looking for.

25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I'm going get some specifics here.

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·1· · · · identified and will be marked by the

·2· · · · stenographer for identification as Defendant's

·3· · · · Exhibit 118 after the deposition is concluded.)

·4· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

·5· · · · Q.· ·When did you become aware of this letter?

·6· · · · A.· ·I remember reading about it.· I don't

·7· ·remember.· I'm sure I read about it in the paper.

·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you think that you read about

·9· ·this in the newspaper?

10· · · · A.· ·Yes.

11· · · · Q.· ·You did not receive a copy of this letter

12· ·when it was sent, right?

13· · · · A.· ·I don't -- I don't remember.

14· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And then this was a letter that

15· ·was, at least appears to be mailed to Governor

16· ·DeSantis at the Capitol, correct?

17· · · · A.· ·I'm sorry, what?

18· · · · Q.· ·This looks like this was mailed to

19· ·Governor DeSantis at the Capitol, correct?

20· · · · · · ·That's what the -- there's no email

21· ·address, right?· This looks like this was mailed,

22· ·correct?

23· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· It doesn't say mailed.· It

24· · · · actually has a street address other than a PO

25· · · · box.

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·5· · · · Q.· ·When did you become aware of this letter?

·6· · · · A.· ·I remember reading about it.· I don't

·7· ·remember.· I'm sure I read about it in the paper.

·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you think that you read about

·9· ·this in the newspaper?

10· · · · A.· ·Yes.

11· · · · Q.· ·You did not receive a copy of this letter

12· ·when it was sent, right?

13· · · · A.· ·I don't -- I don't remember.

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·1· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

·2· · · · Q.· ·There's a street address and a PO box,

·3· ·right?

·4· · · · A.· ·No.· There's no PO box.

·5· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· The Capitol, and then it has

·6· · · · a street address.

·7· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

·8· · · · Q.· ·That's a street address for the Capitol,

·9· ·right?

10· · · · A.· ·Correct.

11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you sent your letter to your

12· ·email, your resignation, six days after this,

13· ·June 27th.· Now, what evidence do you have that

14· ·you were aware of this letter to Governor DeSantis

15· ·when you declined your position at DFS?

16· · · · A.· ·I know I read it.

17· · · · Q.· ·I know you read it, but how do you know

18· ·that you read it before you submitted your -- I

19· ·mean, this is six days after this, with what might

20· ·be a mailed letter.

21· · · · A.· ·Oh, no I'm sure it was immediately in the

22· ·paper.

23· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you're sure that you read it

24· ·before you sent --

25· · · · A.· ·Yes.

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11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you sent your letter to your

12· ·email, your resignation, six days after this,

13· ·June 27th.· Now, what evidence do you have that

14· ·you were aware of this letter to Governor DeSantis

15· ·when you declined your position at DFS?

16· · · · A.· ·I know I read it.

17· · · · Q.· ·I know you read it, but how do you know

18· ·that you read it before you submitted your -- I

19· ·mean, this is six days after this, with what might

20· ·be a mailed letter.

21· · · · A.· ·Oh, no I'm sure it was immediately in the

22· ·paper.

23· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you're sure that you read it

24· ·before you sent --

25· · · · A.· ·Yes.

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·1· · · · Q.· ·-- your email to --

·2· · · · A.· ·Yes.

·3· · · · Q.· ·-- Mr. West?

·4· · · · · · ·And do you know what news article you --

·5· ·you read this in?

·6· · · · A.· ·No.

·7· · · · Q.· ·Do you have a copy of any news articles

·8· ·that you read that contained this letter?

·9· · · · A.· ·I don't have them with me.· I couldn't

10· ·tell you what they were.

11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And then let's show Exhibit 119.

12· ·Actually, now before we do, let's stick with this

13· ·one.

14· · · · · · ·You've read this letter, correct?

15· · · · A.· ·Yes.

16· · · · Q.· ·You've seen this letter before?

17· · · · A.· ·Yes.

18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Where in this letter are you

19· ·discussed?

20· · · · A.· ·Okay.· So I believe the article had a link

21· ·to the complaint, and then my name -- wait a minute.

22· ·Which letter is this?

23· · · · · · ·Hold on.· I have to refresh my memory on

24· ·this.

25· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· Let me see the rest of the

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·1···· Q.· ·-- your email to --

·2· · · · A.· ·Yes.

·3· · · · Q.· ·-- Mr. West?

·4· · · · · · ·And do you know what news article you --

·5· ·you read this in?

·6· · · · A.· ·No.

·7· · · · Q.· ·Do you have a copy of any news articles

·8· ·that you read that contained this letter?

·9· · · · A.· ·I don't have them with me.· I couldn't

10· ·tell you what they were.

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·1· · · · letter.

·2· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

·3· · · · Q.· ·Yeah, keep scrolling down.

·4· · · · A.· ·Yes.· The lawsuit was linked in the

·5· ·article.

·6· · · · Q.· ·There was an article that links the

·7· ·lawsuit.· Do you see anything in the letter that

·8· ·links the lawsuit?

·9· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· Is that the same letter?

10· · · · There's two letters.

11· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

12· · · · Q.· ·I mean there's a reference to a lawsuit

13· ·filed today.

14· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· It says, "A lawsuit filed

15· · · · today."

16· · · · · · ·There's a link somewhere in one of the two

17· · · · letters.

18· · · · · · ·MR. KAUFFMAN:· Okay.· I'll show the second

19· · · · letter in a second.· Let's deal with one at a

20· · · · time.

21· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

22· · · · Q.· ·So the one to Governor DeSantis, do you

23· ·see any mention of you in this letter?

24· · · · A.· ·Can you go down, because I believe inner

25· ·circle and conspiracy were all defined in the

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22· · · · Q.· ·So the one to Governor DeSantis, do you

23· ·see any mention of you in this letter?

24· · · · A.· ·Can you go down, because I believe inner

25· ·circle and conspiracy were all defined in the

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·1· ·lawsuit.

·2· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I have to look to the actual

·3· ·lawsuit that was filed, the complaint that was

·4· ·filed.

·5· · · · A.· ·Yes.· Yeah.· Yes.· This was in the paper

·6· ·with a link to the lawsuit immediately.

·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So this is separately, right?

·8· · · · · · ·This is a letter sent to the governor, and

·9· ·then you read an article that had this letter and

10· ·link to the lawsuit, right?

11· · · · A.· ·Yeah.· I think you have to give me more

12· ·time to go through the entire letter to fully answer

13· ·this.

14· · · · Q.· ·Let's go through.· Let's give you the

15· ·time.· You tell the tech to go up or down, and you

16· ·let me know where you see any mention of you in this

17· ·letter.

18· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· Okay.· So the letters -- I'm

19· · · · reading from the court order.· The letters

20· · · · expressly reference the lawsuit in which

21· · · · Plaintiff is saying is part of the enterprise,

22· · · · and also included the lawsuit in the letter is

23· · · · a hyperlink.

24· · · · · · ·Don't try to trick her about this.· You

25· · · · have provided -- you know very well there's a

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·2· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I have to look to the actual

·3· ·lawsuit that was filed, the complaint that was

·4· ·filed.

·5· · · · A.· ·Yes.· Yeah.· Yes.· This was in the paper

·6· ·with a link to the lawsuit immediately.

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·1· · · · separate letter.· It's either that one or the

·2· · · · other one.

·3· · · · · · ·MR. KAUFFMAN:· I'm going to show both

·4· · · · letters, Marie.· I'm doing one at a time here.

·5· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

·6· · · · Q.· ·So take a second for this letter, which

·7· ·was sent to Governor DeSantis, and I'd like you to

·8· ·identify where you're mentioned.· Take your time.

·9· ·Tell the tech where you need to go.

10· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Can you start at the top

11· · · · please.· Okay, go down a little bit.· Okay,

12· · · · stop.· Okay, please scroll down.· Okay.· Okay,

13· · · · please scroll down.· Okay.· Okay, scroll down.

14· · · · Scroll down.

15· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· That's the full

16· · · · document.

17· · · · A.· ·Okay.· I don't see the hyperlink in that

18· ·one.

19· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

20· · · · Q.· ·Do you see any mention of you in this

21· ·letter?

22· · · · A.· ·So the discussion of the conspiracy, of

23· ·the inner circle and all of that.

24· · · · Q.· ·But that doesn't name you in that inner

25· ·circle, correct?

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·1· · · · A.· ·It referenced the lawsuits which defines,

·2· ·I believe -- didn't the court already rule on this

·3· ·when he said that the basis for the claim was the

·4· ·letters to Inspector General Miguel and Governor

·5· ·DeSantis that incorporated the lawsuit and,

·6· ·therefore -- I mean, this has already been decided,

·7· ·hasn't it?

·8· · · · Q.· ·What I'm asking is the only reference to

·9· ·you is a -- what you're saying is a reference to an

10· ·inner circle.

11· · · · A.· ·It's in the lawsuit.

12· · · · Q.· ·And then I'd have to look to the lawsuit

13· ·to figure out where -- who's in that inner circle,

14· ·correct?

15· · · · A.· ·What difference does it make?

16· · · · Q.· ·But is that true?

17· · · · · · ·Do you see anything different?

18· · · · A.· ·I don't know.· I'd like to see the other

19· ·letter.

20· · · · Q.· ·Well, let me finish with this one.

21· · · · · · ·Do you see anything in this letter other

22· ·than the reference to an inner circle, undefined

23· ·inner circle, that would be referencing you?

24· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· And the lawsuit.· She's

25· · · · already said the lawsuit also.

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·1· · · · · · ·MR. KAUFFMAN:· I know.· I know.

·2· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

·3· · · · Q.· ·Other than that.

·4· · · · A.· ·Well, I would still -- I would like to

·5· ·read it again, because obviously the judge found the

·6· ·content in there.· I feel like I'm missing

·7· ·something.

·8· · · · Q.· ·You want to scroll up and take a look?

·9· · · · · · ·MR. KAUFFMAN:· Do you want to print it out

10· · · · for her, Marie?

11· · · · A.· ·I would like to see the other letter.

12· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· Show her the other letter so

13· · · · that she can --

14· · · · · · ·MR. KAUFFMAN:· This is one letter at a

15· · · · time.· This is letter one, and then we're going

16· · · · to -- I'm going to show her letter two.

17· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· They have hyperlinks.

18· · · · A.· ·They have hyperlinks.

19· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

20· · · · Q.· ·Well, this one doesn't have a hyperlink,

21· ·correct?

22· · · · · · ·MS. MATTOX:· Then show her the one that

23· · · · does.

24· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Let me finish my question on this

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·1· ·letter, because for some reason you don't want to

·2· ·answer it.· I don't know why.

·3· · · · · · ·In this letter, other than a reference to

·4· ·a lawsuit and undefined inner circle, where does

·5· ·this letter reference you?

·6· · · · A.· ·It doesn't specifically say my name.· It

·7· ·doesn't specifically state my name.

·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Now let's show you Exhibit 119.

·9· ·This 119 is a one-page document.

10· · · · A.· ·Both hyperlinked and attached.· Thank you.

11· · · · · · ·(Thereupon, the referred-to document was

12· · · · identified and will be marked by the

13· · · · stenographer for identification as Defendant's

14· · · · Exhibit 119 after the deposition is concluded.)

15· · ·BY MR. KAUFFMAN:

16· · · · Q.· ·I'll get to the question.· I'm not trying

17· ·to trick you.· I'm going one letter at a time here,

18· ·Ms. Grippa.· Just let me ask a question before you

19· ·blurt out something.

20· · · · A.· ·Okay.· I'm sorry.

21· · · · Q.· ·I know you're excited to see it.

22· · · · A.· ·Because I remember it and, you know,

23· ·you're trying to trick me and question my memory.

24· · · · Q.· ·There's no tricking going on here.· I told

25· ·you I was going to do this.· I had this pre-marked.

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3· · · · · · ·In this letter, other than a reference to

·4· ·a lawsuit and undefined inner circle, where does

·5· ·this letter reference you?

·6· · · · A.· ·It doesn't specifically say my name.· It

·7· ·doesn't specifically state my name.

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·1· ·This was my next exhibit.

·2· · · · A.· ·So, okay, go ahead.

·3· · · · Q.· ·All right.· Exhibit 119, which has been

·4· ·premarked, and I'll ask the court reporter to mark

·5· ·here, is a letter from the law firm of Tein Malone,

·6· ·dated June 21st, 2019, to Chief Inspector General

·7· ·Miranda Miguel.

·8· · · · · · ·And in this letter where do you see -- and

·9· ·this is -- you see the entirety of it on your

10· ·single-page document.· Where do you see you

11· ·referenced in the letter?

12· · · · A.· ·In the hyperlink.

13· · · · Q.· ·You mean if I were to go to the lawsuit

14· ·hyperlink --

15· · · · A.· ·Inner circle.· Again, he's using the term.

16· ·He's using the terms that are then defined in the

17· ·lawsuit, and the people are named in the lawsuit.

18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you're saying that Mr. Patronis

19· ·and his enterprise, and then I would have to look at

20· ·the lawsuit to see how that's defined?

21· · · · A.· ·Yes.· He's incorporated it via the letter.

22· ·He's incorporated the contents of the lawsuit via

23· ·the letter.

24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So for anyone to interpret what

25· ·this means, they'd have to read the lawsuit, right?

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8· · · · · · ·And in this letter where do you see -- and

·9· ·this is -- you see the entirety of it on your

10· ·single-page document.· Where do you see you

11· ·referenced in the letter?

12· · · · A.· ·In the hyperlink.

13· · · · Q.· ·You mean if I were to go to the lawsuit

14· ·hyperlink --

15· · · · A.· ·Inner circle.· Again, he's using the term.

16· ·He's using the terms that are then defined in the

17· ·lawsuit, and the people are named in the lawsuit.

19· ·and his enterprise, and then I would have to look at

20· ·the lawsuit to see how that's defined?

21· · · · A.· ·Yes.· He's incorporated it via the letter.

22· ·He's incorporated the contents of the lawsuit via

23· ·the letter.

18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you're saying that Mr. Patronis

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·1· · · · A.· ·Well, it's not hard to click a hyperlink

·2· ·and see a circle diagram with a bunch of names on

·3· ·it.· It wouldn't require much investigation at all

·4· ·to see the names in the circle diagram.

·5· · · · Q.· ·Right.· And to find your name, I'd have to

·6· ·look at the lawsuit, correct?

·7· · · · A.· ·Yeah, I guess, for that letter.

·8· · · · Q.· ·Yeah.· I mean, this letter and the other

·9· ·letter, correct?

10· · · · A.· ·I don't know what difference it makes.

11· ·And then the tons of articles that came after that

12· ·in which my name was listed, and everybody was

13· ·listed.· I mean, very --

14· · · · Q.· ·You're talking about like articles that

15· ·are discussing the whole lawsuit, right?

16· · · · A.· ·The letter and the lawsuits.

17· · · · Q.· ·Did you -- did you sue any of the

18· ·reporters who reported the lawsuit for defamation?

19· · · · A.· ·I believe they have a privilege; do they

20· ·not?

21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· All right.· So you did not sue any

22· ·reporters, right?

23· · · · A.· ·I can't even get a reporter to be deposed,

24· ·so I don't know how I would expect to sue a

25· ·reporter.

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·5· · · · Q.· ·Right.· And to find your name, I'd have to

·6· ·look at the lawsuit, correct?

·7· · · · A.· ·Yeah, I guess, for that letter.

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·1· · ·court reporter.

·2· · · · · Mary, it will be our normal -- we're off

·3· · ·the record?

·4· · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Yes, sir.· Off the

·5· · ·record.· The time is 4:15 p.m.

·6· · · · · MR. KAUFFMAN:· It's going to be our

·7· · ·regular order, Mary, okay?

·8· · · · · MS. MATTOX:· I want a copy.· Thank you.

·9· · · · · (Witness produces her Florida Driver

10· · ·License.)

11· ·(The deposition was concluded at 4:23 p.m.)

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·1· · · · · · · · · · CERTIFICATE OF OATH

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·7· ·COUNTY OF LEON· · ·)

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10· · · · · ·I, Mary Bouchard, Registered Professional

11· ·Reporter, Notary Public, State of Florida, certify

12· ·that KIMBERLY GRIPPA remotely appeared before me via

13· ·Zoom on the 22nd day of December, 2021, and was duly

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· · · · · · · · ·REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL REPORTER

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· · · · · · · · ·My Commission No. GG 212884

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·8· · · · · · ·I, Mary Bouchard, Registered Professional

·9· ·Reporter, certify that I was authorized to and did

10· ·stenographically report the video-recorded

11· ·deposition via Zoom of KIMBERLY GRIPPA, Volume 2,

12· ·pages 145 through 255; that a review of the

13· ·transcript was requested; and that the transcript is

14· ·a true record of my stenographic notes.· I further

15· ·certify that I am not a relative, employee,

16· ·attorney, or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I

17· ·a relative or employee of any of the parties'

18· ·attorneys or counsel connected with the action, nor

19· ·am I financially interested in the action.

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Kimberly Grippa

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·1· ·January 7, 2022

·2· ·Kimberly Grippa, Esq.

· · ·c/o Marie A. Mattox, Esq.

·3· ·203 North Gadsden Street

· · ·Tallahassee, FL· 32301

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· · ·In re:· Kimberly Grippa v. Ronald Rubin

·5· · · · · ·Case No.:· 4:20cv457-MW/MAF, Volume 2

·6· ·Please take notice that on the 22nd day of December

· · ·2021, you gave your deposition in the above cause.

·7· ·At that time, you did not waive your signature.

· · ·Please call (888) 811-3408 or email

·8· ·production@phippsreporting.com between the hours of

· · ·9 a.m. and 4:00 p.m., Monday through Friday, for a

·9· ·read-only PDF transcript via computer.· Please

· · ·execute the PDF-fillable Errata Sheet which will be

10· ·forwarded to you by Phipps Reporting.· The Errata

· · ·Sheet can also be downloaded from

11· ·www.phippsreporting.com.· Once completed, please

· · ·print, sign and return to us for distribution to all

12· ·parties.

13· ·If you do not read and sign the transcript within

· · ·thirty (30) days, the original, which has already

14· ·been forwarded to the ordering attorney, may be

· · ·filed with the Clerk of the Court.

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· · ·and return to Phipps Reporting, 1551 Forum Place,

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24· ·CC: J. Kauffman, Esq.

25· ·Job No. 220541

Kimberly Grippa

December 22, 2021

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·4· · · · · ·Case No.:· 4:20cv457-MW/MAF

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21· ·stated in it are true.

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24· ·Date· · · · · · · · · · ·Kimberly Grippa

25· ·Job No. 220541

Kimberly Grippa

December 22, 2021

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