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COAST GUARD LAW ENFORCEMENT

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HEARING

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON

COAST GUARD AND MARITIME TRANSPORTATION

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON

TRANSPORTATION AND

INFRASTRUCTURE

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED NINTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

JUNE 15, 2005

Printed for the use of the

Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure

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COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE

DON YOUNG, Alaska, Chairman

THOMAS E. PETRI, Wisconsin, Vice-Chair

SHERWOOD L. BOEHLERT, New York

HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina

JOHN J. DUNCAN, JR., Tennessee

WAYNE T. GILCHREST, Maryland

JOHN L. MICA, Florida

PETER HOEKSTRA, Michigan

VERNON J. EHLERS, Michigan

SPENCER BACHUS, Alabama

STEVEN C. LATOURETTE, Ohio

SUE W. KELLY, New York

RICHARD H. BAKER, Louisiana

ROBERT W. NEY, Ohio

FRANK A. LOBIONDO, New Jersey

JERRY MORAN, Kansas

GARY G. MILLER, California

ROBIN HAYES, North Carolina

ROB SIMMONS, Connecticut

HENRY E. BROWN, JR., South Carolina

TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois

TODD RUSSELL PLATTS, Pennsylvania

SAM GRAVES, Missouri

MARK R. KENNEDY, Minnesota

BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania

JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas

JIM GERLACH, Pennsylvania

MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida

JON C. PORTER, Nevada

TOM OSBORNE, Nebraska

KENNY MARCHANT, Texas

MICHAEL E. SODREL, Indiana

CHARLES W. DENT, Pennsylvania

TED POE, Texas

DAVID G. REICHERT, Washington

CONNIE MACK, Florida

JOHN R. ‘RANDY’ KUHL, JR., New York

LUIS G. FORTUN ̃ O, Puerto Rico

LYNN A. WESTMORELAND, Georgia

CHARLES W. BOUSTANY, JR., Louisiana

VACANCY

JAMES L. OBERSTAR, Minnesota

NICK J. RAHALL, II, West Virginia

PETER A. DEFAZIO, Oregon

JERRY F. COSTELLO, Illinois

ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of

Columbia

JERROLD NADLER, New York

ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey

CORRINE BROWN, Florida

BOB FILNER, California

EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas

GENE TAYLOR, Mississippi

JUANITA MILLENDER-MCDONALD,

California

ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland

EARL BLUMENAUER, Oregon

ELLEN O. TAUSCHER, California

BILL PASCRELL, JR., New Jersey

LEONARD L. BOSWELL, Iowa

TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania

BRIAN BAIRD, Washington

SHELLEY BERKLEY, Nevada

JIM MATHESON, Utah

MICHAEL M. HONDA, California

RICK LARSEN, Washington

MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts

ANTHONY D. WEINER, New York

JULIA CARSON, Indiana

TIMOTHY H. BISHOP, New York

MICHAEL H. MICHAUD, Maine

LINCOLN DAVIS, Tennessee

BEN CHANDLER, Kentucky

BRIAN HIGGINS, New York

RUSS CARNAHAN, Missouri

ALLYSON Y. SCHWARTZ, Pennsylvania

JOHN T. SALAZAR, Colorado

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SUBCOMMITTEE ON COAST GUARD AND MARITIME TRANSPORTATION

FRANK A. LOBIONDO, New Jersey, Chairman

HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina

WAYNE T. GILCHREST, Maryland

PETER HOEKSTRA, Michigan

ROB SIMMONS, Connecticut

MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida

DAVID G. REICHERT, Washington,ViceChair

CONNIE MACK, Florida

LUIS G. FORTUN ̃ O, Puerto Rico

CHARLES W. BOUSTANY, JR., Louisiana

DON YOUNG, Alaska

(Ex Officio)

BOB FILNER, California, Ranking Democrat

CORRINE BROWN, Florida

GENE TAYLOR, Mississippi

JUANITA MILLENDER-MCDONALD,

California

MICHAEL M. HONDA, California

ANTHONY D. WEINER, New York

BRIAN HIGGINS, New York

BRIAN BAIRD, Washington

JAMES L. OBERSTAR, Minnesota

(Ex Officio)

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CONTENTS

TESTIMONY

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Sirois, Rear Admiral R. Dennis, Assistant Commandant for Operations,

United States Coast Guard ................................................................................. 3

PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE WITNESS

Sirois, Rear Admiral R. Dennis .............................................................................. 22

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COAST GUARD LAW ENFORCEMENT

Wednesday, June 15, 2005

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SUBCOMMITTEE ON COAST

GUARD AND MARITIME TRANSPORTATION, COMMITTEE

ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE, WASHINGTON, D.C.

The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:08 a.m., in Room

2167, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. David G. Reichert presiding.

Mr. REICHERT. The subcommittee will come to order.

The subcommittee is meeting today to hear testimony on Coast

Guard law enforcement; and, as you know, we will limit opening

statements to the vice chairman and ranking Democratic member.

If other members have statements, they can be included in the

hearing record.

The subcommittee is meeting this morning to oversee the Coast

Guard’s maritime law enforcement missions.

Current law provides that the Coast Guard has broad authorities

to enforce or assist in the enforcement of applicable laws on, under

and over the high seas and waters subject to the jurisdiction of the

United States. Under the Coast Guard’s maritime law enforcement

mission, the Service regularly enforces fisheries laws in U.S. Waters and prevents illegal drugs and illegal immigrants from entering the United States by sea.

In fiscal year 2004, the Coast Guard intercepted more than 176

tons of cocaine and nearly 13 tons of marijuana at sea. Already this

fiscal year, Coast Guard missions have resulted in the seizure of

more than 96 tons of cocaine and marijuana and the destruction of

a substantial amount of illegal drugs that were jettisoned by drug

smugglers at sea. These missions are instrumental in stemming

the tide of illegal drugs that enter into the United States.

In recent years, the Coast Guard has developed several specialized units to intercept drug smugglers at sea. The Coast Guard has

formed a Helicopter Interdiction Tactical Squadron, HITRON, that

patrols areas in the Caribbean sea and the Eastern Pacific ocean

in conjunction with the Coast Guard cutters. The Coast Guard has

estimated that the HITRON squadron has been responsible for

intercepting approximately 8.5 tons, or $6 billion, worth of drugs

from entering the United States.

I understand that the Coast Guard’s fleet of HH-65 and HH-60

helicopters will be fitted under the Deepwater program with the

equipment necessary to carry out these drug interdiction missions

at sea. I am looking forward to hearing how these improved assets

will enhance the Service’s ability to intercept drugs Nationwide.
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In addition to the Service’s drug interdiction mission, the Coast

Guard regularly carries out alien migrant interdiction missions and

fisheries law enforcement missions abroad aboard its many cutters.

These missions enforce national immigration laws and protect the

Nation’s valuable natural resources in the U.S. Economic Exclusive

Zone.

However, despite the importance of the Coast Guard’s law enforcement missions, I am concerned by the recent trend in resource

hours that are being devoted to the Service’s drug interdiction,

alien migrant interdiction and fisheries law enforcement missions.

A GAO report last year revealed that resource hours devoted to illegal drug interdiction, living marine resources and foreign fishing

enforcement had been reduced by 44 percent, 26 percent and 16

percent respectively. As a result, I look forward to hearing the testimony this morning regarding the Coast Guard’s plans to maintain a true mission balance between its many and varied missions

in this time of increasing maritime homeland security needs.

I also look forward to hearing the Coast Guard’s plans under the

Deepwater program to acquire vessels and aircraft with the equipment necessary to enhance the Service’s ability to carry out these

law enforcement missions and other traditional homeland security

missions.

I thank the witness for appearing before the subcommittee this

morning. I look forward to his testimony.

I now recognize the ranking Democratic member, Mr. Filner, for

his statement.

Mr. FILNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman, I think it is very appropriate that in this hearing

on law enforcement we have the former Sheriff of King County,

Washington, with us. We thank you for your long service in this

area, and we hope you can add your expertise to this. We thank

you for chairing this.

I would like to welcome the young people who just walked in.

Where are you from?

VOICE. California.

Mr. FILNER. What part?

VOICE. L A.

Mr. FILNER. Mr. Honda is here from San Jose, and I am here

from San Diego, so we have some Californians here with you as we

start here today.

Clearly the issue of law enforcement and the Coast Guard is an

important issue. We know that the traditional role of the Coast

Guard as it enforces fishery laws, for example, secures our coastline from drug smugglers and illegal migrants, but adding the

homeland security responsibility is, of course, exceedingly important today.

As the chairman mentioned, the Coast Guard has been increasingly effective in stopping cocaine from reaching our streets. And,

again, the chairman pointed out the effectiveness of the HITRON

helicopters; and I hope we can, as a committee, continue to support

the use. As you know, this committee authorized funds to deploy

another squadron, Mr. Chairman, on the west coast of the United

States of those helicopters that have done so well in intercepting

cocaine; and I hoped that we could get a west coast squadron
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maybe halfway between Washington and San Diego just so we

could get your support for that, that is, stopping drug runners in

the Pacific ocean.

Equally, this committee has expressed concerns about the Deepwater program as it deals with law enforcement. It seems to have

changed from a program to get the best new ships and aircraft for

the men and women of the Coast Guard into a program that seems

to rely heavily on rebuilding old aircraft, and this committee and

this Congress needs to ensure that the men and women who risk

their lives every day to save others and to enforce our laws have

the best equipment possible.

So I am looking forward to the hearing, Mr. Chairman. Thank

you for being here. Let us work together to see that we have the

security that we need. Thank you, Admiral, for being here with us

today.

Mr. REICHERT. Thank you, Mr. Filner.

Mr. REICHERT. Now I will introduce our witness, Rear Admiral

Dennis Sirois, Assistant Commandant for Operations for the U.S.

Coast Guard. Welcome, sir.

STATEMENT OF REAR ADMIRAL R. DENNIS SIROIS, ASSISTANT

COMMANDANT FOR OPERATIONS, UNITED STATES COAST

GUARD

Admiral SIROIS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and distinguished

members of the committee. It is a pleasure to appear before you

today to talk about Coast Guard law enforcement missions.

I ask that my written statement be entered into the record, and

I will summarize with a short statement.

As the lead Federal agency for maritime drug interdiction, the

Coast Guard seeks to reduce the supply of drugs to our streets by

denying smugglers the use of air and maritime routes throughout

the 6 million square mile transit zone in the Caribbean, Gulf of

Mexico and the Eastern Pacific. As noted, in fiscal year 2004 the

Coast Guard disrupted the supply of nearly 160 metric tons of cocaine destined for the United States. In pounds, that is 350,000

pounds of cocaine.

Increasing interdepartmental, interagency and international coordination in intelligence and information sharing and enhanced

capabilities have played a vital role in our recent successes.

Operation Panama Express, which is a Department of Justice led

and Department of Homeland Security supported operation in

Tampa, Florida, generates a tremendous amount of actionable intelligence on trafficking organizations and routes. This intelligence

enabled a higher rate of success for interdiction assets from the

Coast Guard, Navy and other partner agencies.

Enforcement of immigration law at sea is another primary mission of the Coast Guard. We work very closely with other agencies

and foreign governments to deter and interdict undocumented migrants, denying them entry via maritime routes into the U.S..

We maintain an effective presence at key choke points along migrant smuggling routes. In fiscal year 2004, the Coast Guard successfully deterred or intercepted more than 87 percent of the undocumented migrants attempting to enter the United States. A
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total of 10,899 migrants were interdicted by the Coast Guard last

year, the largest number in over a decade.

Protection of all living marine resources is carried out through

the enforcement of domestic fisheries law and by protecting the

U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone from foreign encroachment. The U.S.

EEZ is the largest and most productive in the world, covering nearly 3.4 million square miles of ocean. Enforcement throughout such

a vast area is a mission largely conducted by Coast Guard Deepwater assets. The Coast Guard is the only agency with the authority, infrastructure and assets able to project a Federal law enforcement presence over this area.

At-sea boardings are used to ensure compliance with our Nation’s

fisheries and management plans. The Coast Guard partners with

industry, Federal and State agencies to collect and share enforcement information. The Coast Guard boarded over 4,500 fishing vessels in fiscal year 2004.

Foreign fishing vessel incursions into the U.S. EEZ threaten to

undermine the Nation’s fisheries management regime and the U.S.

Commercial fishing industry. The highest threat areas for incursion are the U.S.-Mexican border in the Gulf of Mexico, the U.S.-

Russian maritime boundary line in the Bering Sea, and the Western/Central Pacific EEZ border. Interception continues to be a significant deterrent to illegal fishing. However, limited operational

presence constrains our ability to intercept foreign fishing vessels

in our remote EEZs.

The Coast Guard is working with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the State Department to pursue an

enforcement agreement with Mexico and to develop a U.S.-Russia

ship rider agreement to aid EEZ enforcement in the Bering Sea.

Of note, along the U.S. Mexican border and the Gulf of Mexico

we have been receiving increasing intelligence that ties Mexican

fishing launch activities with organized crime elements and smuggling operations.

The Coast Guard’s Ports, Waterways and Coastal Security mission has continued to evolve as our understanding of the threat,

vulnerability, and consequence dimensions of terror-related risks

improves. We now have 13 maritime safety and security teams in

or near critical ports throughout the Nation. These specially

trained teams augment existing Coast Guard forces to perform

surge operations in support of Ports, Waterways and Coastal Security; Anti-Terrorism; Counter-Drug and other law enforcement missions.

The success of the Coast Guard law enforcement missions have

not come without their share of challenges. We are working our assets and our crews harder than ever. The President addresses capacity and capability improvements for the Coast Guard in his fiscal year 2006 budget request, which I ask you to support. Deepwater, our plan for major assets recapitalization, and network centric conductivity has never been support relevant; and I ask for

your support for the President’s request.

I know that you and many others are concerned that, because of

our increased homeland security missions, that many of our traditional missions have not have had the same level of effort since 9/

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of efforts, but I am happy to report to you that for fiscal year 2005

we are approaching the same level of effort previous 9/11. I just recently signed out our mission planning guidance to our operational

planners that our level of effort for fiscal year 2006 will be at or

above pre-9/11 levels of effort in all of our areas.

Thank you for the opportunity to testify before you today. I will

be happy to answer any questions you may have.

Mr. REICHERT. Thank you, Admiral.

I was a sheriff in King County, as Mr. Filner said, just up until

January 3 of this year. It is a force of 1,100 employees. One of the

things I understand is the budget begins to get a little tight and

your mission changes and after September 11 changes in your

focus and how you have to distribute your resources and then also

look at the outcome.

I appreciate you sharing some of that with us, just to get a little

bit more specific on how you are accomplishing that mission and

if your outcome is equal to or may even exceed pre-9/11 numbers.

As we said earlier, the Coast Guard has taken on substantial responsibilities to protect the Nation’s maritime homeland security,

in addition to the responsibilities of carrying out the Service’s

many traditional missions that you spoke of. As a result, resource

hours for the Service’s traditional missions, including law enforcement missions, have been reduced from pre-9/11 levels. Despite

these reductions, the Coast Guard has maintained mission performance at similar levels to those observed prior to September 11.

How do current resources hours devoted to law enforcement missions compare to pre-September 11 levels?

Admiral SIROIS. For fiscal year 2005, for drug interdiction we are

about 4 percent short of pre-9/11 numbers. Now all these hours are

apportioned. They may not be used the same way as we go through

the year because we apportion, we use our assets depending on the

threat and the situation.

For migrants operations, we are going to be at 108 percent of our

pre-9/11 numbers.

Our Ports, Waterways and Coastal Security mission, which is our

port security mission, is not new, but its increased emphasis since

9/11, we will be at 1,538 percent of our pre-9/11 resources hours.

All these increases are attributable to the fact that the administration has requested and the Congress has supported many, many

new small boats to the Coast Guard inventory, many new parole

boats in the Coast Guard inventory, the transfer of five Navy 179-

foot patrol boats to the Coast Guard inventory. Those smaller boats

have taken up a lot of the work that we pulled large cutters in

close to shore to do just after 9/11.

Mr. REICHERT. Do you have a count on the number of boardings

compared to pre-September 11?

Admiral SIROIS. Is that fisheries boardings?

Mr. REICHERT. Fisheries boardings or drug interdiction

boardings, either.

Admiral SIROIS. The fisheries boardings are close to pre-9/11

numbers. I can give you the exact number later. But I do not have

the drug enforcement boarding numbers.

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Mr. REICHERT. We happen to be one of the cities that have one

of your special teams in Seattle, and we appreciate the presence

there.

With the increasing number of maritime homeland security responsibilities and expanding readiness gap due do increasing legacy asset failure, how does the Coast Guard propose to maintain

the mission performance for the Service’s traditional law enforcement missions?

Admiral SIROIS. We have a number of programs in place to extend the service lives of our major cutters. For our 210-foot cutters

and our 270-foot cutters we have a mission effectiveness program

that we will be putting in place. We have major subsystems on

those assets that are failing very quickly, so we plan on recapitalizing those major subsystems over the next 2 to 3 to 4 years to extend the service life of those cutters until we can replace them with

the new Deepwater cutters.

Our patrol boats are also going to undergo a major sustainability

rework to extend the service lives of those patrol boats. We also

hope to accelerate the acquisition of our new fast response cutter,

our new parole boat, by 10 years in the Deepwater program.

On the aviation side of the house, we have begun re-engining our

H-65 fleet. We have five of them already completed. One air station, Atlantic City, New Jersey, has a complete set of new reengined aircraft.

Mr. REICHERT. Thank you.

Mr. Filner.

Mr. FILNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I guess from the questions that the chairman asked and as I

read your statement, you want to say, on the one hand, you are

doing better than you ever have before. On the other hand, you

want to say everything is breaking down. It seems to me you ought

to take one or the other and go with it. How do you account for

this paradox?

Admiral SIROIS. The cutters are not in the condition that we

would like them to be; and we know, like last year, we lost 393

days of patrol days due to unscheduled maintenance. We should

not be losing.

Mr. FILNER. So you are not doing the best job you could do.

Admiral SIROIS. No, sir

Mr. FILNER. For example, you estimate here you got 87 percent

of attempted illegal entrants. I do not know how you get that percentage. How do you know who you missed? How do you estimate

that?

Admiral SIROIS. There is an estimated flow based upon intelligence, information.

Mr. FILNER. I represent the whole California-Mexico border. We

have hundreds of thousands of people per year coming through illegally, aside from just in my district, 50, 60 million legally. So it is

hard to estimate, of course, how many you do not get. But 10,000

in my book is pretty small, given how many people do come

through just in my district every day.

You used to estimate the percentage of drugs that got through.

Do you still have an estimate of that? I did not see it in your statement.
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Admiral SIROIS. Yes, sir. That is equally as hard to estimate how

much is flowing. I think our last estimate was that we interdicted

15 percent of the estimated flow. That is 15 percent of the noncommercial maritime flow.

Mr. FILNER. Fifteen percent. Let’s see, can you extrapolate that

to WMDs? I mean, if we had that rate of success, we would be in

big trouble. How do you translate that kind of percentage and your

readiness gap that you talk about here to problems with terrorism?

Admiral SIROIS. Sir, it is a huge ocean.

Mr. FILNER. If we are only getting X percent of whatever, that

is quite a threat to the United States.

Admiral SIROIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. FILNER. It seems to me we ought to be talking more about

that than how many immigrants you got or cocaine pounds you got.

We still have major problems in those two areas but certainly with

the potential terrorism. And with your—the readiness, you mention

readiness gap, do you not? Is that what you call it? We used to

have a President who ran on that thing, readiness gap. It is like

a missile gap we used to have.

If we have this readiness gap in your operations and we are trying to prevent another attack on the United States, how are we

going to do that? I do not get it from your own words here.

Admiral SIROIS. Well, our readiness certainly is not where we

would like it to be; and we are working hard to, as I said, fix the

major systems, subsystems, on our major cutters, re-engine our helicopters to get them to the readiness status we would like them to

be.

Mr. FILNER. If you extrapolate, if you close that readiness gap

and you are getting this much drugs and this much immigrants,

what is the optimal operation if you were able to close that gap?

I mean, what percentage would you be stopping or how secure

would we be as a nation?

Admiral SIROIS. In the counter-drug arena?

Mr. FILNER. It seems to me we are talking about little issues in

here in your report. I am talking about WMDs, and you are talking

about a couple of cutters. I think we have a major problem, and

I think you have got to talk in bigger terms.

I mean, are we adequately funding the Coast Guard and the assets that it needs? Are we adequately patrolling the water off the

United States? These are big issues. They probably require a lot of

money. And it seems to me we have got to talk in these bigger

terms than you are doing here today with us.

Admiral SIROIS. The key is intelligence. In the Commandant’s

maritime domain awareness effort, we will never have enough resources to blanket the coast. We have 95,000 miles of coastline. We

will never be able to do that. So the key to this is intelligence and

information sharing. We are working very hard with our partners

in the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of

Justice and the Department of Defense to get as much visibility on

activities in the maritime arena as we can, because we know we

will never have the assets.

Mr. FILNER. I just would like to see us talk more about what do

we need to achieve the optimal performance from the Coast Guard,

given the fact that somebody said we have to be right 100 percent,
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a terrorist only has to be right one time. It seems to me we need

a far broader discussion of that than we are getting here today, Mr.

Chairman.

Mr. REICHERT. Thank you.

I just have a question along the same lines. Of course, you have

all of the responsibilities that you have just described; and Mr. Filner sees a conflict between trying to accomplish your traditional

role versus your homeland security new role that you now have

taken on. You mention one thing I think is very important, increased intelligence. I hope there is a concerted effort in gathering

intelligence and working with the Navy, the Army and the other

services that you are partners with.

Also technology. You have not touched on technology at all, at

least that I have heard this morning; and I would guess that is a

part of our overall plan, too, in helping you accomplish these jobs,

these new responsibilities that you are about to undertake and that

you have undertaken.

Then the question really I have is what is the connection, if any,

you see between your traditional role as far as doing your job and

the performance of drug interdiction and illegal immigration, what

is the connection to homeland security? As you do those jobs, are

you finding intelligence that you gather in your daily responsibilities that apply to homeland security?

Admiral SIROIS. Well, in the intel arena, you know, we are a new

member of the intel community for several years now. We have

stood up maritime intel, fusion centers on the Atlantic and the Pacific. We have also deployed field intelligence support teams

throughout the country. These are down at the port level, very tactical level, people, human intelligence working the ports and supplying information to our operational folks.

In the technology world, a number of things. In underwater port

security, we have different sensors that we have been developing

with the Navy for maritime safety and security teams to be using

in the ports, a radiological detection program we have established

for our boarding officers in our MSSTs, as we call them.

Other technology upgrades on our ships that have been funded

through the Deepwater program allow our major cutters now to

share our common operating picture and to talk to each other over

secure means where in the past we were unable to do that. Already

this capability has led to the great success we have had in the current drug arena.

The connection between our traditional missions and homeland

security, when you are out on the water you are out on the water

collecting information. That presence provides you with a wealth of

information. So whether we are out there doing a search-and-rescue case or doing a counter-drug mission, your presence there allows you to have a better visibility of the maritime domain.

Mr. REICHERT. Thank you.

Mr. Coble.

Mr. COBLE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Admiral, traditionally, the bread-and-butter issues of the Coast

Guard were search and rescue, aid to navigation, law enforcement,

fishery law enforcement, et cetera; and I the fear that since 9/11

and the homeland security and terrorism era in which we live—I
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hope I am wrong about this, Admiral—but I hope these bread-andbutter issues are not being compromised too unfavorably.

I think the Coast Guard, probably more than any other armed

services, are continually asked to do more with less. I think you do

a pretty good job at accomplishing that.

You may have touched on this with the chairman, but I do not

believe you did; and I am coming here from compromising the

bread-and-butter issues.

Six of the Coast Guard’s 110-foot patrol boats are now deployed

in the Persian Gulf in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Prior

to their deployment, these vessels were primarily deployed to enforce fisheries laws in the United States’ waters.

Let me put a three-part question to you, Admiral. What steps

have the Coast Guard taken to compensate for the temporary loss

of these reallocated assets, A? B, what areas are being affected by

the relocation of these assets? And, finally, how has the unavailability of these vessels affected the Service’s ability to carry out the

law enforcement missions in these areas?

Admiral SIROIS. Congressman, as I mentioned earlier, with the

new assets that Congress has provided since 9/11, the resource

hours dedicated to all our missions is at or above the pre-9/11 operational tempo. So in fiscal year 2006 we will be at or above in all

our mission areas the operational tempo that we had prior to 9/11.

The six boats in the Persian Gulf are there supporting the U.S.

Navy as part of our national defense mission. How we are making

up for those op hours, we have acquired or the Navy has loaned

to the Coast Guard five 179-foot patrol boats that we are running.

Two of them are in Pascagoula, Mississippi; and two of them are

in San Diego. We have four. We will get one more at the end of

the summer. They are running at much higher op tempo than our

110 patrol boats. We are making up a lot of the hours because we

have five loaned boats to the Navy to make up those hours.

We also have new 87-foot patrol boats that have been put into

service. I do not know the exact number but probably 10 to 20

since 9/11. So those boats are picking up the slack that we lose

from those 110s.

Mr. COBLE. How many 110 footers in the fleet?

Admiral SIROIS. Forty-nine, sir.

Mr. COBLE. Forty-nine?

Admiral SIROIS. Forty-nine.

Mr. COBLE. So six of those 49 are in the Persian Gulf?

Admiral SIROIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. COBLE. I yield back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. REICHERT. Thank you.

Mr. Honda.

Mr. HONDA. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome, Rear admiral.

I have visited the Oakland facility quite a few times since I have

been in office, and I have always been amazed and impressed with

the Coast Guard’s understanding of interagency cooperation. Then,

after 9/11 happened, it appeared that the Coast Guard had the

model to put forth in order to protect our 95,000 miles of coast line

and hopefully that interagency model continues to operate and it

has been escalated to a higher level.
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On my last visit a couple of months ago, I understood that you

have had a couple of war games. I was just curious what those war

games brought forth in terms of needs, and I would not mind you

reiterating your need for assets that you are going to need because

it appears that prior to 9/11 your asset situation was pretty dismal

and you were cannibalizing existing vessels in order to maintain

others and that is not the kind of way that I like to see our Coast

Guard operate, especially post 9/11.

Having increased your—or expanded your scope of responsibilities, going from under DOT to Homeland Security, the concern of

this committee was that you have an officer high enough in the hierarchy so that they can impact decision making in terms of budget

that would eventually turn out to be more assets that are needed

in your Service.

Can you comment on those two points: What kind of needs became apparent when you did your war games and what is it that

you need? Then, also, the increase in budget based upon the increased needs and the assets that you will need to be able to do

your job optimally. Because, in terms of homeland security, whether there is drug interdiction or immigration or whatever, they all

seem to lace in together in your network for search for weapons of

mass destruction. They all seem to be connected in my mind.

So—and perhaps you could comment on whether Homeland Security and/or the Coast Guard has done a threat analysis in terms

of homeland security. What are those points of interest for us in

terms of the outcome of a threat analysis, if it in fact has been

done? If it has not been done, I would like to know that, too.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Admiral SIROIS. Thank you, Congressman.

I do not know the exact number, but our budget since 9/11 has

increased in the order of 40 to 50 percent, and I can get you the

specific number. But I can assure you we are no longer

cannibalizing aircraft and boats and ships parts since the great infusion of funds for those assets.

How much budget? The President’s request for 2006 goes a great

way towards starting to acquire new assets through our Deepwater

program in support to other programs. It includes more small

boats, more patrol boats. So we would ask you to support that

budget. It will go a great way towards helping us close some of

those readiness gaps.

Threat analysis, yes, we have done threat analysis. All ports,

there has been threat assessments done for all ports. I cannot discuss specifics here, but we could get you that information on how

we do our threat analysis and then our risk analysis and how we

rate each port based upon that.

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The Coast Guard budget has increased approximately 60% between fiscal year

2001 and fiscal year 2005.

Mr. HONDA. Mr. Chairman, if I may, through the Chair, given

that threat analysis for different ports, it would be of interest to

me what assets you are going to need in order to address those

shortcomings in the different ports and whether there is an articulation between the Coast Guard, the Port Authority, local law enforcement, so that there is a seamless cooperation and communica-
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tion in order to make sure that the assets are—the infrastructure

is safe.

In Oakland, I understand that if there is any trauma in Oakland

relative to the channel or to the rail that it can affect over 60 percent of our economy in this country; and I understand also that 60

percent of all goods that go to Chicago come from Oakland and its

rail system. So there is a possibility of creating a situation of mass

disruption, which is probably more pervasive than anything that

can happen. So I would be interested in what kind of technology,

what kind of integration in terms of cooperation with the other law

enforcement agencies that are available. If you have that report, I

would love to see it, if it is not classified.

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Admiral SIROIS. Of course, the solution is multifaceted. It is harbor facilities and policemen walking the beat. It is boats on the

water. It is a whole number of things that go into making the port

and the facilities secure. We work very closely with our partners

in law enforcement and the industry through our maritime security

committees in each port to address just these things. If a facility

is more secure from its own physical security, that requires less patrolling.

So we have to balance all of those. That is how we come up with

what we need on the Coast Guard side of the equation to reduce

the risk in each port.

Mr. REICHERT. Mr. Honda, do you have anything further?

Mr. HONDA. If the chairman would give me permission for one

quick one, in the transport of these goods that come across in these

tankers that come across the waters, I understand that the percentage of cargo that is examined is not very high. Can you comment on that?

Admiral SIROIS. The containers are the responsibility of Customs

and Border Protection, although we work very close with them on

screening ships’ cargo and people before the ship is allow to come

into port. But the contents of the container, that is the Customs

and Border Protection responsibility.

Mr. HONDA. Are you comfortable with the level of security that

seems to be out there as a part of the team? I know it is part of

the Customs, but from what you know, would you feel comfortable

with the level of security that we have in terms of our understanding what is in those containers?

Admiral SIROIS. We will never have 100 percent knowledge, but

there are a number of new initiatives in place and under way started by the DHS under Customs, you know, to partnerships with industry where the containers get looked at overseas before they are

loaded and then they are certified by Customs. So more and more

of these partnerships and these procedures where we know what

goes in the container is going to help assure us of the security of

that container. So there is a number of initiatives under way, but

I am not sure we will ever get to 100 percent. But, of course, that

would be a great goal.

Mr. HONDA. Then I conclude that you are saying that I am not

really that comfortable yet? You do not have to answer that.

Admiral SIROIS. I am more comfortable today than I was on 9/

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Mr. REICHERT. Thank you, Mr. Honda.

Mr. Fortun ̃ o.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Admiral, I want to tell you I flew with some your men and

women recently over the Mona Passage, and it was quite an experience. I commend you for the men and women you have working in

Puerto Rico as we speak.

I left, however, with a concern. I was supposed to fly in a helicopter, and I flew on a plane instead. I inquired further about it,

and I was told that there is some indications that Members of Congress should not fly in some of those helicopters. Are those the HH65 that we were talking about perhaps?
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Admiral SIROIS. You are saying that some Members of Congress

should not be flying on it? Is that what you are saying?

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. All Members of Congress, not just some. At least

I was told that it would be preferable that I fly on a plane as opposed to—and, again, it was quite an experience I must say. But

it was indicated to me that it would be better—because I inquired

further. I must say they did not volunteer that information. I inquired further as to why we were not using a helicopter, and they

said it would be better that we go on a plane. Could that be possible it was an HH-65, by any chance?

Admiral SIROIS. Most likely.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. Most likely.

I have a question. What percentage of your patrols in the Caribbean region are carried out in conjunction with the HITRON helicopters that you mentioned earlier?

Admiral SIROIS. The HITRON helicopters?

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. Yes.

Admiral SIROIS. We only have eight of them, and two to three are

deployed at any time. So we always have one in the Pacific and one

in the Caribbean.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. So they are moving around?

Admiral SIROIS. Yes.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. They go out of Florida and out of Puerto Rico and

so on and so forth? They move around, would you say that?

Admiral SIROIS. We deploy them on ships.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. On ships?

Admiral SIROIS. Yes.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. Okay. I also have a question, and it was something that came up after we flew. I visited some of the holding facilities for illegal migrants in the western part of the island. In

talking with some of the men and women there, they told me that

they have recently seen an increase in Middle Eastern and Asian

illegal migrants coming through the Caribbean region, especially

Puerto Rico and the U.S. VI. Could you comment on this?

Admiral SIROIS. I know that Chinese migrants have been—my

last tour in the Caribbean on a ship was in 1988 and 1990, and

we picked up Chinese migrants then coming across from the Dominican Republic. Middle Easterners, there may be onesies,

twosies coming through the Caribbean that we have seen. We have

seen several in the eastern Pacific coming out of Ecuador into Guatemala but no great numbers coming through Puerto Rico.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. Someone not from the Coast Guard—it was ICE

personnel—but they told me earlier this year that they stopped an

Afghan national coming through Puerto Rico. Do you have any information on that?

Admiral SIROIS. No, sir, but I can find out and get back to you.

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Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. Sure.

Going back to this new wave of migration that may have a connection to a certain degree with our national security, I would like

you to comment on the new efforts the Coast Guard is making in

addressing this new wave from Middle Eastern countries and Asia.

Admiral SIROIS. It all comes back to information and intelligence.

That is why we work very closely with Immigration and Customs

Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection to get that information from their agents who are stationed all around the Caribbean and elsewhere to alert us to that.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. If I may go back one second to my first question

regarding the helicopter in a traditional tactical squadron, are you

using those missions for other purposes other than drug interdiction as well?

Admiral SIROIS. This past year we did use some of the HITRON

helicopters to support the national security events at the Democratic National Convention and the Republican National Convention.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. But that is about it? So it is mostly for drug interdiction?

Admiral SIROIS. The HITRON squadron was formed for counterdrug interdiction.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. And mostly in the Caribbean and the Pacific?

Admiral SIROIS. That is correct.

Mr. FORTUN ̃ O. Thank you very much. I yield back.

Mr. REICHERT. Thank you, Mr. Fortun ̃ o.

I have flown on Coast Guard helicopters, so I must be one of

those Congressmen.

Mr. Baird

Mr. BAIRD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I thank the Admiral for being here. I appreciate the good work

you do.

I represent southwest Washington, the Columbia River bar; and

I have got to tell you your folks out there are pretty gutsy individuals. The professionalism saves the lives of our fishermen almost

on a daily basis, and we are grateful for it.

I have some questions about the drug interdiction efforts that we

are discussing today. It happens that I have got an interest in the

strategy of interdicting with helicopters and other approaches. One

of the questions I would have is, it is my impression that, apart

from the helicopters, that the regular vessels you have are not very

able to keep up with the cigarette boats. The drug runners are

using these extremely high-speed boats, and your regular vessels

cannot intercept them. Is that generally a fair portrayal?

Admiral SIROIS. Yes, sir. Neither can Navy ships keep up with

them.

Mr. BAIRD. I understand, however, that there are available boats

in the market that could keep up with them, particularly if sea

conditions became rough and these cigarette boats have to slow

down to much slower speeds. But my understanding is that the

Coast Guard has been not particularly vigorous in pursuing the

purchase or acquisition of some of these faster patrol boats. Can

you enlighten us about that?
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Admiral SIROIS. We have deployed and we are deploying more of

the horizon cutter boats on all of our cutters. These are boats capable of 40 to 50 knots. I cannot tell you the sea state, but we deploy

them 100, 200 miles away from the mother cutter.

Mr. BAIRD. You can do that? What is the size of those vessels?

Admiral SIROIS. Seven meter.

Mr. BAIRD. That is a pretty small vessel. That is 21 foot, roughly.

How long can they stay out on their own?

Admiral SIROIS. Six to 8 hours.

Mr. BAIRD. They are only 6 to 8 hours. So if you are a drug runner you might want to stay low.

Admiral SIROIS. That is why it is good to have an armed helicopter that can stop the go-fasts.

Mr. BAIRD. Do you have any sense of the efficacy rate in terms

of what percentage with the helicopters you can stop the go-fast

boats?

Admiral SIROIS. They are close to 95 percent effective.

Mr. BAIRD. In other words, if you understand there are go-fast

boats running in the area, what is the range of the helicopters from

the mother vessel?

Admiral SIROIS. Those helicopters, I would say a hundred miles.

Mr. BAIRD. My question would be, I guess I would be interested

and maybe we could talk further about this at some point, but I

would be interested in a cost-benefit analysis of putting a somewhat larger, higher-speed vessel out there, something that could go

40 knots but is more in the 80-foot range and could be out in the

sea for 5 to 8 days with a larger boarding crew and could chase

these guys down in higher sea conditions. Maybe we could talk

about that at some point.

Admiral SIROIS. I would like to talk about it.

It is a time-distance problem. Everyone thinks the distance from

San Diego to Ecuador is very small on the map, but it is a 7-day

transit for our ships and Navy ships. So if you had an 80-foot vessel, unless you had an oiler down there to resupply it, you would

be running back and forth to port all the time.

Mr. BAIRD. I am familiar with some vessels that can stay in the

open water for at least a week with full accommodations for crew,

go 40 knots in fairly good sea conditions. I would be interested in

talking about that with you further.

Related to that—

Mr. FILNER. Mr. Baird, if you would yield for a second, we have

authorized in the last several years for the Navy to lease another

HITRON squadron to intercept these, and they just have not done

it, and I do not know why. According to the Admiral’s testimony

today, they have three of these helicopters deployed on any given

day, three for the whole United States. There is something wrong

here.

I agree with you that we have to look at the kind of analysis that

you are doing. The Admiral testified we have a 95 percent effectiveness rate with these helicopters. We have eight of them for the

whole country, three deployed on any day. We have authorized another squadron for the west coast, and they just have not done it.

I just do not know why.

Mr. BAIRD. May I follow up with one last, related question?
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When we talk about this, helicopters are fine. My understanding

is they fly around and shoot them out with high-speed rifles. Is

that right? Fifty-caliber sniper rifles?

One of the questions is, who boards them at that point? And the

other thing is, it seems to me the helicopter is limited in its potential. If you have a boat in the water, its ability to help vessels in

distress, its ability to do water-based search and rescue, recovery,

et cetera, it seems to me—while the helicopters have a function, it

seems to me to have some assets on the water makes some sense.

Again, we can discuss it further.

But, related to this, a tremendous amount of the drugs coming

into our country are traveling up the coast through the Caribbean

in go-fast boats on both sides of the canal, basically. It seems to

me we ought to help some of our foreign partners and their Coast

Guards. I am thinking of Costa Rica and other countries that

would dearly love to have some of these vessels work in partnership with us.

To what extent has our Coast Guard or our Navy explored working with our State Department to help make available some of

these vessels to our friends and allies who suffer from these challenges?

Parenthetically—I will put this into context. We talk about a billion dollars going to Columbia for attack helicopters to spray coca,

etc. Gosh, I would sure much rather intercept these boats coming

through the water and not deal with all the other issues that have

gone on in Columbia, et cetera. To what degree is our Coast Guard

working with Coast Guards from other countries?

Admiral SIROIS. We do that every day. In fact—you mentioned

Costa Rica. Their fleet of patrol boats are retired Coast Guard patrol boats that the State Department turned over to them.

Mr. BAIRD. My understanding is they are dreadfully slow, their

maintenance costs almost exceed the value of the boats themselves,

and a guy with a fast kayak could outrun them on a bad day.

Admiral SIROIS. I think the 82-footers can do about 20 knots, but

they are not a 50-knot boat.

Mr. BAIRD. I understand their maintenance costs down there are

just dreadful. Our State Department pats itself on the back and

gives ancient boats to these countries and say, here is a wonderful

boat you caught, and they are stuck with the maintenance costs.

I appreciate the intent, but I am not sure the impact is as desirable, and I want to underscore this, the impact on stopping these

drugs coming into our country. It is not for me, about making an

appearance, that we are sending boats to another country. What it

is for me about is trying to protect our communities. And if we

send inefficient vessels to these countries and costly inexpensive

vessels, we are not ultimately solving the mission; and the points

that have been raised by my colleague, Mr. Filner, about people

getting through are a problem.

I yield back the balance. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. REICHERT. I would like to kind of continue on with Mr.

Baird’s thought but a little bit different line. It is still around the

partnership and working with other agencies line of thinking.

First of all, in the area of threats and risk assessment, is the

Coast Guard a member of the Joint Analytical Centers across the
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country? I know we have one in Seattle. Do they participate? Does

the Coast Guard participate in the Joint Analytical Center efforts?

Offices are usually in the FBI offices.

Admiral SIROIS. Is that the Joint Terrorism Task Force?

Mr. REICHERT. Joint Terrorism Task Force is the investigative

arm of the Analytical Centers.

Admiral SIROIS. We have liaisons at many of those centers. We

have them at the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces.

Just about every intel organization in Washington has a Coast

Guard liaison officer now assigned. That facilitates our sharing of

information.

Mr. REICHERT. One of the threats we experienced, as you are

aware of in Seattle, is the threats around the ferry system; and

there was great cooperation between the Seattle Police Department

and the King County Sheriff’s Office and the Coast Guard.

I think that when you are in the process of threat assessment

and risk assessment it is important to work with the locals, and

I am certain that you recognize that. But to further that partnership and not just be in the process of engaging in discussion

around intelligence and the sharing of intelligence and risk assessment, there are resources available in some of those larger police

departments and sheriff’s offices.

We have been talking about helicopters and boats. I know in my

old job as sheriff, the Sheriff’s Office in King County has a helicopter and air support unit with several helicopters. San Diego’s

Sheriff’s Office and the Police Department both have air support

units. I know San Diego and L.A. have an air force, I think.

But have you thought about reaching out and partnering with

some of those along the coast, some of those larger cities and Sheriffs Offices like King County, like San Diego, to have some resources that could help you in your—not only in your homeland security efforts on the coastal areas but also in the areas of your traditional law enforcement responsibilities? We have tried to build a

partnership like that and found it difficult. What are your views on

that?

Admiral SIROIS. Partnerships are key to everything we do. We

are very small. So partnerships are one of the building blocks that

we use everywhere in all our missions.

I can’t speak specifically to the Seattle area on hard examples,

but in San Diego there is a joint harbor operations center that has

stood by the Navy, the Coast Guard, the local police, the harbor patrol, the border patrol. They are all on this joint operations center;

and it is a great example my commandant likes to quote as the

way to do things on a local level.

Mr. REICHERT. I would be interested in following up personally

with you on a possible partnership that we might be able to develop further in King County, if that would be acceptable to you.

Thank you.

Mr. Filner.

Mr. FILNER. The joint operations that he mentioned, you may

want to come down and look at it. It is pretty interesting and looks

like an effective means of that kind of cooperation.

Is that the only one, by the way? Is there another one existing?
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Admiral SIROIS. There is one in the Norfolk area. We are working with the Navy right now to establish them throughout the

country. The Navy is interested in their primary ports, of course,

but we are building in the future what we are calling our sector

command centers. And as we are planning for these, we are leaving

room for our partners in the local area to be able to come into those

centers.

Mr. FILNER. Just one final comment, Mr. Chairman. I know

these hearings are broadcast on our internal television, but I hope

al Qaeda is not watching. I mean, I am far more scared than when

I walked into the room, I must say, in terms of our ability to deal

with certainly homeland security.

When you have these helicopter mishaps 329 times, it says here,

of what the FAA considers safe, I am not surprised you wouldn’t

want to put a Congressman on that, although maybe a Republican

Congressman should go. When you have half of your 110-foot cutters having hull breaches, it says right here; every time your high

endurance cutters go out, there is some sort of engine room failure;

5 percent of the fleet out at any given time. I just don’t have a lot

of confidence that we are addressing these things quickly enough

or fast enough.

Here we are, 3, 4 years after 9/11, and we are talking about

these kind of failures in what has become the front-line agency on

homeland security. You have a Congress, as I told the Commandant several times, that wants to provide the resources to deal

with this, and yet they are not either being asked for or not being

given or whatever. But this is not giving me a lot of confidence

about our effectiveness against outside threats.

Mr. REICHERT. Thank you, Mr. Filner.

Before we adjourn today, I would like to take a moment to recognize a Coast Guard Academy cadet that is in the audience,

Brendan McKenna. Brendan, do you want to stand?

Mr. FILNER. Just don’t get on a helicopter.

Mr. REICHERT. Helicopters are perfectly fine.

I want to thank all of you for your time this morning and thank

you for being with us this morning for your testimony. I look forward to working with you and discussing some possible partnerships in Seattle.

If there are no further comments, questions or responses by our

witness, this hearing stands adjourned. Thank you.

[Whereupon, at 11:10 a.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
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