From: Hirsch, Bruce R [mailto:Bruce.R.Hirsch@bge.com] 

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Subject: RE: Replacement Cost for Transformer Pole 

Thanks,

I appreciate your patience with educating us less knowledgeable on the subject.  

I have learned a lot on this assignment.     Bruce

From: Mahesh P. Sampat [mailto:maheshsampat@bellsouth.net] 

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:43 PM 

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Subject: RE: Replacement Cost for Transformer Pole 

Hello Bruce: 

 

 Thank you for your note... As for your question below... A short answer is that Weight will go 

up as efficiency increases... 

 

 Now for detailed answer... First a brief review of transformer design. 

 

 For a given material combination (A grade of core steel, conductor material) weight of 

transformer does go up exponentially as efficiency increases (losses are reduced)... only way to 

bring this escalating weight (& size) down is to switch to higher grads of materials... IE: Move 

from say M3 grade to M2, ZDMH or Amorphous depending on level of loss reductions 

desired... There is a slight "size" benefit (but not weight benefit) to go from Aluminum windings 

to Copper windings... 

 

 Currently, most liquid-filled designs meeting current DOE standard (1/1/2010) use M3 grade 

of core steel and aluminum windings. Generally due to other design considerations, Amorphous 

at this level of efficiency has slightly higher weight but also has better efficiency (exceeds 

minimum DOE Standards)... 

 

 Going forward (new standard), to increase efficiency (reduce losses) further, if the designer 

stays with current material options, weight and size will go up dramatically... Wes's analysis has 

shown that to reduce losses of these designs by 30 % using same material combinations, weight 

will go up by 85%... However, if one switches to another material such as amorphous, weight 

increase for 30% reduction in losses will be only 15%... For other lower level loss reductions 

(10% or 20%) other materials may be more attractive... 

 

 Briefly, as you stated, weight will go up as efficiency is increased from current standard... 

however impact of further increase in efficiency on weight and size can be "Minimized" by 

switching to higher grades of materials... 

 

 Hope this clarifies my earlier comments... Thank you. 

 

Best Regards, 

 

Mahesh 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 10/26/11, Hirsch, Bruce R <Bruce.R.Hirsch@bge.com> wrote: 

From: Hirsch, Bruce R <Bruce.R.Hirsch@bge.com> 

Subject: RE: Replacement Cost for Transformer Pole 
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Date: Wednesday, October 26, 2011, 4:21 PM 

Mahesh,

Thanks for the info. 

For item 1, what you describe is exactly what we saw with the 1/1/2010 requirements.

As for item 2 – weight – from what I understand, a change in material from silicon to amorphous 

improves efficiency but adds weight. So I don’t understand your statement that the manufacturer 

can control weight by changing material. At some point, I am sure that the weight would go up 

more with silicon but then size would also become unmanageable. Seems we have the weight 

problem regardless of the material being used. Am I incorrect?

 

Bruce

From: Mahesh P. Sampat [mailto:maheshsampat@bellsouth.net] 

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:24 PM 

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Subject: RE: Replacement Cost for Transformer Pole

 

Hello Bruce: 

 

 Thank you for your explanation... Sorry for little delay in response, I was traveling. 

 

 I can certainly understand issues dealing with changing transformers where access is limited 

such as "back lot" services... hopefully these situations are limited to "older" systems and 

perhaps are smaller part of your entire system. 

 

 Now coming to Pole change-out issue... As I understand, there are two major considerations 

that could lead to pole change-out... 

 

1. Height: If the height of the transformer increases then that could lead to changing to 

"Taller" poles if the additional height creates encroachment issue... 

2. Weight: If combined load imposed by "all" users exceeds pole strength. 

 

 As for 1st issue, as transformer's efficiency increases, generally unit's "foot print" increases 

(tank diameter may increase) and height decreases... The reason for this is that due to higher 

efficiency (lower Losses) "less cooling" surface is needed... 

 

 As for 2nd issue, higher efficiency does results in higher weight due to additional materials... 

but as Wes's analysis has shown that this increase in weight can be "minimized" if the 

manufacturer is willing to change the core material... per his analysis, weight increase can be 

limited to less than 15% for 30% reduction in losses... Hopefully, in most cases you will have 

that much margin... 

 

 Hope this "Transformer Designer's" perspective is helpful... 
 

 Thank you. 

 

Best Regards, 

 

Mahesh Sampat 

EMS Consulting 

706-549-8155 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/24/11, Hirsch, Bruce R <Bruce.R.Hirsch@bge.com> wrote: 

From: Hirsch, Bruce R <Bruce.R.Hirsch@bge.com> 

Subject: RE: Replacement Cost for Transformer Pole 

To: "'Mahesh P. Sampat'" <maheshsampat@bellsouth.net>, "Richard Parker" 

<richardparkerdc@gmail.com>, "Kenneth Winder" <kwinder@mleainc.com> 

Cc: "phopkinson@hvolt.com" <phopkinson@hvolt.com>, 

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"artrosenfeld@gmail.com" <artrosenfeld@gmail.com>, "august.esch@gmail.com" 

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<ScottB@lvmetals.com>, "snadel@aceee.org" <snadel@aceee.org>, "srosenstock@eei.org" 

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"Teckman@nwcouncil.org" <Teckman@nwcouncil.org>, "thomas.patzner@us.schneiderelectric.com" <thomas.patzner@us.schneider-electric.com>, "vijay.tendulkar@onyxpower.com" 

<vijay.tendulkar@onyxpower.com>, "zhimei.luo@navigant.com" <zhimei.luo@navigant.com>, 

"Ken Winder" <kwinder@mleainc.com> 

Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 10:20 AM 

Mahesh,

The answer to your question will probably be all over the map. In reality, utilities are governed 

by the pole loading standards as set forth in the NESC. WE build our system to meet wind or ice 

loading requirements. The area of the Country we are in determines how much loading we can 

put on a pole and still met the standards. Company practices including third part attachments 

and storm hardening requirements will also affect when a pole needs to be changed. Essentially 

anytime a change is made on the pole (either a change in equipment or an addition of 

equipment) the pole loading is checked to make sure it does not exceed the Code requirements. 

Thus, changing a transformer with a heavier transformer will trigger a review and possibly a pole 

change-out. 
Because we were purchasing transformers on a TOC basis (A/B factors), the 1-1-2010 DOE 

requirements had minimum effect on the size of our single ratio transformers. Our dual ration 

transformers (13kV/4kV primary), however, were greatly affected with respect to weight and 

size. The majority of cases where we need to replace a dual ratio transformer, require us to 

change the pole. The issue is compounded on “lot line” work where we cannot get a truck to the 

location. In these cases, men must manually pull the transformer up the pole to set it. This class 

of transformers is where we have started doing more refurbishment of used units to help resolve 

the replacement issues. 

We are also concerned of the increase in weight with respect to our truck capacities. Our 

Digger/Derricks which are used primarily for pole replacement but can also be used to lift a 

transformer are rated at 1,590 lbs. max. Our bucket trucks, which we buy equipped with a jib for 

lifting equipment, are our primary truck used for lifting transformers. They are rated from 660 lbs 

to 2,000 lbs. max depending on how far the jib is extended. As transformers get heavier, the 

ability to use of a truck to set transformers is lost thus driving up transformer replacement costs 

to “lot line” type levels as discussed in a previous email. 

Finally, I would like to restate my concern with transformer size. When we talk size problems 

most people think of the vault and network type transformers. While these are a concern, my 

main concern is the size of pole type transformers. We in Baltimore (and I assume most large 

cities throughout the US) constantly battle to maintain safety clearances from other utilities on 

our poles and also from public infringement on the safety separations set by Code. In a 

congested city like Baltimore, even minimal changes in the size of a transformer can lead to 

major work to ensure the safety clearances are maintained. I know the goals are to improve air 

quality, but the certain death from electrocution is an even more ominous affect that could result 

from the changes being proposed. 

 

 Bruce 

From: Mahesh P. Sampat [mailto:maheshsampat@bellsouth.net] 

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Jeremiah.Freeman@ee.doe.gov; jerry.corkran@cooperindustries.com; jerry.schoen@aksteel.com; 

jhodge@howard-ind.com; Jim.creevy@nema.org; Jim.Raba@ee.doe.gov; jmauer@standardsasap.org; 

john.caskey@nema.org; john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov; jrossetti@mlgw.org; kcoughlin@lbl.gov; 

mark.stoering@xcelenergy.com; matthew.nardotti@navigant.com; maxinesavitz@aol.com; 

mhyland@appanet.org; mrivest@navigant.com; mwaltner@nrdc.org; Paul.Ryan@hitmet.com; 

phil@pjharter.com; pkumar@publicpower.org; Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com; 

rgreeson@federalpacific.com; richardparkerdc@gmail.com; rick.anderson@faypwc.com; 

robert.saint@nreca.coop; robert.vanbuskirk@ee.doe.gov; rroy@nrdc.org; ScottB@lvmetals.com; 

snadel@aceee.org; srosenstock@eei.org; tballo@earthjustice.org; Teckman@nwcouncil.org; 

thomas.patzner@us.schneider-electric.com; vijay.tendulkar@onyxpower.com; zhimei.luo@navigant.com; 

Ken Winder 

Subject: Re: Replacement Cost for Transformer Pole

 

Hello Ken: 

 

 Thank you for developing this info... It looks like DOE wasn't too far off in assuming cost of 

$2000/per pole change out... 

 

 The only other remaining question left that needs addressing is... 

 

 "When" does pole need to be changed? IE: What are "Engineering Rules/Limits" that 

result in pole change out...

 

 Once we know that, we/DOE can estimate change-out frequency... 

 

 Thank you. 

 

Best Regards, 

 

Mahesh 
 

--- On Wed, 10/19/11, Kenneth Winder <kwinder@mleainc.com> wrote: 

From: Kenneth Winder <kwinder@mleainc.com> 

Subject: Replacement Cost for Transformer Pole 

To: "Richard Parker" <richardparkerdc@gmail.com> 

Cc: phopkinson@hvolt.com, Aaron.Meyers@cooperindustries.com, 

adelaski@standardsasap.org, ahofmann@publicpower.org, amarantan@navigant.com, 

artrosenfeld@gmail.com, august.esch@gmail.com, BermanEconomics@gmail.com, 

brian.coffey@navigant.com, bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com, bsmith@federalpacific.com, 

cabolduc@lbl.gov, Caitlin.Johnson@navigant.com, carlos.gaytan@ge.com, 

carlosgsiqueiros@eaton.com, chad.kennedy@us.schneider-electric.com, charlied@uus.org, 

chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com, clark.silcox@nema.org, cstephens@neea.org, 

Daniel.Cohen@hq.doe.gov, dave.millure@metglas.com, DYoung@energy-solution.com, 

eduardorobles@eaton.com, Eric.Petersen@aksteel.com, gbf1@pge.com, gjrosenquist@lbl.gov, 

greg.coulter405@gmail.com, James.Lass@cleco.com, Jennifer.Tiedeman@hq.doe.gov, 

Jeremiah.Freeman@ee.doe.gov, jerry.corkran@cooperindustries.com, 

jerry.schoen@aksteel.com, jhodge@howard-ind.com, Jim.creevy@nema.org, 

Jim.Raba@ee.doe.gov, jmauer@standardsasap.org, john.caskey@nema.org, 

john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov, jrossetti@mlgw.org, kcoughlin@lbl.gov, 

maheshsampat@bellsouth.net, mark.stoering@xcelenergy.com, 

matthew.nardotti@navigant.com, maxinesavitz@aol.com, mhyland@appanet.org, 

mrivest@navigant.com, mwaltner@nrdc.org, Paul.Ryan@hitmet.com, phil@pjharter.com, 

pkumar@publicpower.org, Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com, rgreeson@federalpacific.com, 

richardparkerdc@gmail.com, rick.anderson@faypwc.com, robert.saint@nreca.coop, 

robert.vanbuskirk@ee.doe.gov, rroy@nrdc.org, ScottB@lvmetals.com, snadel@aceee.org, 

srosenstock@eei.org, tballo@earthjustice.org, Teckman@nwcouncil.org, 

thomas.patzner@us.schneider-electric.com, vijay.tendulkar@onyxpower.com, 

zhimei.luo@navigant.com, "Chris Boulduc" <cabolduc@lbl.gov>, "Ken Winder" 

<kwinder@mleainc.com> 

Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 8:36 PM 

Richard and Committee: 

 Attached is a spreadsheet showing the cost to replace an existing pole in a three-phase 

distribution circuit with an existing single-phase distribution transformer mounted on it. This 

information was developed to estimate the cost to replace an existing pole with a new, higher 

strength pole required because of the increased weight of the distribution transformer. This 

estimate represents the cost to do this for my Cooperative. 

 Other Utilities will be furnishing this information for their systems. 

Kenneth A. Winder, PE 

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