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O nBehal f o f th e Agency : BRIANAMARTINO , ESQ . of : Offic e o f th e Regiona l Counse l 2 3 0 0 Eas t Devo nAvenu e De s Plaines , I L 6001 8 Tel : (847 ) 294-827 5 Fax : (847 ) 294-749 8

O nBehal f o f th e Respondent : MICHAE L JACOB , pr o s e 24564 U S Highwa y16/38 5 Custer , S D 5773 0 Tel : (605 ) 673-216 3 Cell : (605 ) 390-611 9



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Thi s i s Rushmor e Helicopters , Inc. , FAADocke t No . 2010-0023 .

Counsel , you r appearanc e o nth e record , please ?

MS . MARTINO : Brian a Martin o fo r th e Agency .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Ca nyo u spell , Briana , please ?

MS . MARTINO : Martin o i s M-A-R-T-I-N-0 . B-R-I-A-N-A .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Sir , d o yo u wan t t o identif yyoursel f fo r th e record , please ? MR . JACOB : Michae l Jacob , Presiden t o f Rushmor e Helicopters . That' s M
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ADMIN , LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : A coupl e thing s befor e w e ge t started .

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So , an ypreliminar ymatters ? MS . MARTINO : Jus t th e Agency , jus t quickly , i nth e amende dcomplaint , Mr . Jaco bpointe dou t i nth e answe r a mistake . So , I' dlik e t o amen dPar t 1 , Paragrap h1 , t o sa ya t al l time s relevan t hereto , Rushmor e operate da commercia l ai r tou r operatio ni n th e vicinit yo f Keystone , Sout hDakota , rathe r tha nCuster , Sout hDakota ,

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MR . JACOB : No , You r Honor . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , wit htha t amendmen t we'l l proceed .

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You r Honor , thi s cas e concern s flight s operate db yth e Respondent , Rushmor e Helicopters , o nAugus t 7 , 2009 , i na Bel l 20 6 helicopter , whe ni t wa s no t airworthy .

Responden t i s a commercia l operato r i nth e area , wh o take s payin g passenger s o nsit e visitin g tour s i nKeystone , Sout hDakota , amon g othe r areas .

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Inspecto r Kwasniewsk i wil l explai n th e condition s foun dwit htha t helicopter , an d th e conversation s h e ha dwit hth e Respondent' s pilot , Mr . Lero yLeffert , Rober t Lero y Leffert , I' msorry .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : That' s L-E-F-F-E-R-T .

I' m tryin g t o mak e hi s jo beasier . It' s Saturda ymorning , an dhe' s tryin g t o ge t throug hth e transcript , rememberin g wha t wa s said . G o ahead .

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Th e Respondent' s pilot , Mr . Leffert , wil l als o testif ytoda yregardin g hi s flight s o nAugus t 7t ho f '09 , an dh e wil l explai nho wh e realize dth e fue l ca p wa s missin g o nth e evenin g o f th e 6th , tha t h e contacte dRespondent ' s President , an dthe y decide dtha t h e shoul dloo k i na nearb yhanga r fo r a fue l ca p tha t woul dfi t th e Bel l 206 . Unfortunately , Mr . Leffer t wa s unabl e t o fin d
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Responden t i nviolatio no f 1 4 CF R91.7A , an d 91.13A , an da norde r affectin g civi l penalt y i naccordanc e wit hth e Agency' s sanctio n guidance . Than k you .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Make s on e wonde r wha t th e FAAdi dwit htha t gu yu p i nbus hcountry . Hav e yo u al l see nthat ? Yo u haven' t see nthat , hav e you ? I t i s promulgate dfro mChicago . And , apparently , late r th e tai l draggin g -- a bea r go t int o it , at e th e fuselage , th e tires . So , thes e guy s know . And , th e gu ycalle dfo r tw o tire s an da bo xo f duc t tape , pu t th e tire s on , wrappe dth e plan e i nduc t tape , an dfle wbac k
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MR . JACOB : I woul dprefe r t o defe r m yopening .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . MR . JACOB : However , You r Honor , i f i t i s withi nm yrights , I woul d reques t tha t Ms . Martino' s witnesse s b e sequestered .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Yes , we ' 1 1 d o th e rul e o nwitnesses . I notice d ther e seem s t o b e a benc hdow nth e hall , I' m guessin g tha t belong s t o th e courtroo mdow n there . So , we ' 1 1 d o a cal l o nth e rul e o n witnesses , whic hmean s tha t anybod ywh o i s goin g t o testif yi s excuse dfro mth e courtroom , an dI instruc t yo u no t t o discus s you r testimon ywit hanybod yprio r t o conclusio no f th e hearing .

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ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . There' s n o coffe e shop , I alread yasked .

So , wh ydon' t yo u relocat e you r witnesses . Now , th e FAAi s entitle dt o a technica l witness , whic hI' massumin g thi s gentlema nis . Yo u woul dals o b e entitle d t o a technica l witness .

Th e purpos e o f tha t i s t o giv e technica l expertise . The yma yo r ma yno t testify , i t depend s o nth e case .

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ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Distinctiv e Chicag o accent . Fro mth e sout h side ? MS . MARTINO : Yes .

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ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Sir , d o yo u wan t t o approac hth e stand , rais e you r righ t hand .

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DIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMS . MARTINO : Q Inspecto r Kwasniewski , d o yo u hol d
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Q Sinc e 1997 . And , ho w1on g hav e yo u hel dyou r lA ? AI t wa s probabl yabou t 2000 . Q And , fo r th e record , wha t a nA& P certificate ?

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : B yth e way , it' s spelle djus t lik e th e supermarke t chain . TH E WITNESS : Ai r Fram e an dPowe r Plan t Certificate , a maintenanc e certificate .

B YMS . MARTINO : Q Wer e yo u involve di naircraf t maintenanc e prio r t o obtainin g you r A& P i n 1996 ? A Yes , I was . I wa s i nth e military , I wa s a naircraf t maintenanc e an d ai r cre wo nhelicopter s fro m198 8 t o 1995 . Q And , afte r yo u lef t th e military , ho wdi dyo u us e you r A& P certificate ?

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instructe dt o g o u p t o Keyston e an d investigate . Q And , wha t di dyo u d o afte r yo u go t tha t information ? AAfte r w e wer e told , w e lef t th e offic e an dwen t t o Keystone , w e wer e ther e aroun d2:00 , i ntha t range . Onc e w e go t there , w e wen t an dtalke dt o th e woma nwh o complained , Mar yDavis , w e talke dt o he r abou t th e incident .

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d o yo u kno wwha t th e Nnumbe r o f tha t helicopte r was ? AIt' s a nN226 8 Whiskey . Q And , whe nyo u firs t sa wtha t helicopter , coul dyo u se e th e fue l por t side ? ATha t sid e wa s kin do f facin g toward s th e fue l tanks , an dw e couldn' t se e it . Th e aircraf t wa s turnin g a t th e time . I didn ' t kno wi f ther e wa s anybod yi nth e helicopter .W e me t th e pilot , h e wa s comin g fro mth e helicopter , comin g toward s th e office , an dw e spok e t o hi mbriefly . Q And , wher e wer e yo u whe nyo u spok e wit hth e pilot ? ABetwee nthei r fuelin g pad , wher e th e helicopte r was , an dth e office . Q And , wha t wa s th e pilot' s name ? AMr . Leffert . 

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believe , h e ha s som e passenger s waiting , an d
a s h e wa s comin g up , again , i t wa s a littl e bi t noisy , I mean , th e helicopte r i s stil l turning . I didn' t kno wi f anybod ywa s a t th e control s o r not .

And , whe nh e cam e toward s us , w e jus t talke dt o hi mbriefly , jus t aske d i f ther e wer e a nai r witnes s issue s wit hth e helicopter . H e sai dno , again , h e wa s i na hurry , w e spok e briefly . And , h e wen t toward s th e office .

And , I didn' t wan t t o g o ove r toward s th e helicopter . I didn' t - - again , I didn' t kno wi f ther e wa s anybod ya t th e controls , an di t wa s running , turning , an dI couldn' t se e th e fue l port . So , w e jus t le t i t b e a s that . H e sai dwa s n o ai r witnes s issues . Q And , di dyo u hav e an yreaso nt o thin k tha t ther e wa s a nairworthines s issu e



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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 wit htha t specifi c helicopter ?

ANo t a t th e time . H e sai dther e wasn' t an yissues . Q Okay . And , afte r yo u spok e wit h th e Respondent' s pilot , wha t di dyo u d o next ? AW e nex t wen t ove r - - bac k ove r toward s th e office , an di nth e meantim e Mr . Leffer t ha dgon e bac k ou t an drepositione dth e helicopte r dow no na pad , tha t wa s th e farthes t pa dfro mth e offic e a t th e time . Passenger s wer e loading , an dabou t tha t tim e i s whe nInspecto r Dunmir e an dmyself , w e notice dtha t - - o r I anyway , I notice dtha t i t appeare dtha t ther e wa s duc t tap e ove r th e fille r port . Q Okay . Whe nyo u wen t bac k int o th e office , wh ywer e yo u goin g bac k int o th e office ? AN o reason , jus t t o wai t an dloo k
an dse e wha t othe r helicopter s wer e comin g in . Again , w e didn' t kno wwhic hhelicopter , yo u know , i f ther e wa s an ytha t wer e involve di n

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yo u know , a helicopte r tha t ha dduc t tap e ove r th e fille r port . Q Okay . And , whe nyo u di dse e th e helicopte r tha t ha dth e duc t tape , wha t di d yo u do ? ATher e wasn' t a whol e lo t w e coul d do . A t tha t time , th e passenger s wer e boarding , th e helicopte r wa s gettin g read yt o

- - gettin g read yt o depart . Q Whe nyo u sa wth e duc t tap e o nth e helicopter , wa s ther e an yopportunit yfo r yo u t o sto p th e helicopte r fro mtakin g off ? AI t wa s kin do f a t th e farthes t port . I don' t - - I don' t kno wi f I woul dhav e fel t saf e i nrunnin g ou t ther e t o tr yan dsto p him . So , no , a t tha t tim e I didn't , I didn' t tr yan dsto p him . Q Wha t di dyo u d o afte r - - di dth e pilo t tak e of f i ntha t Bell ? ATh e pilo t lef t o nth e flight , an d returne da shor t tim e later .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Okay . And , wha t di dyo u d o afte r

h e returned ? AAfte r h e returned , w e wer e walkin g out . I thin k th e passenger s wer e departin g th e aircraft . And , befor e w e go t ther e Mr . Leffer t repositione dth e helicopte r t o th e fa r en do f thei r locatio nther e a t Keystone , dow n toward s thei r hangar . Q And , di dyo u wal k ou t t o tha t location ? AYes . W e walke dou t there . A s w e arrived , th e helicopte r wa s bein g shu t down , an dwalke du p t o hi man daske dhi m- - well , yo u know , I sa wth e fue l port , an di t wa s covere dwit hduc t tape , an dI aske dhim , yo u know , wha t wa s th e situation .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 airworthy , an dh e responde dtha t i t was . I aske dhi mi f the yha daske dan y maintenanc e personnel , an dh e sai dtha t ther e wer e n o maintenanc e personne l t o ask , an d that' s whe nI advise dhim , I sai dtha t thi s - - I recommen dthe ydon' t fl yunti l the y determin e th e airworthines s o f th e aircraft , tha t an yflight s ma yb e i nviolation . Q Di dyo u tal k t o Mr . Leffer t abou t whethe r o r no t h e ha dcontacte dth e compan y whe nh e realize dth e fue l ca p wa s missing ? ANo t a t tha t time , late r o nI did . Yes , an da t tha t tim e h e sai dtha t --h e said , nobod ykne wabou t i t unti l th e nex t day , a s fa r a s Mr . Jaco bknowin g abou t it . H e sai d tha t the ydidn' t know . H e didn' t kno wunti l th e nex t day . Mr . Jaco btol dm e tha t a s well .

I nth e statemen t tha t w e receive d fro mMr . Leffert , h e di dsa ytha t th e da y before , o nth e 6th , h e wa s abl e t o contac t Mr . Jacob , an dtha t the ydiscusse dtryin g t o fin d
a fue l ca p i nthei r hanga r ther e a t Keystone ,

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covere dth e por t wit hduc t tape . Q Okay . Whil e yo u wer e waiting , afte r yo u sa wth e helicopte r tak e of f an dyo u wer e waitin g fo r i t t o return , di dyo u tal k t o anyon e i nth e office ? AYes , Maria hWeller , on e o f th e employee s there , on e o f th e groun dcre wa t Rushmor e Helicopters . Q Wha t di dyo u as k her ? AI aske dhe r i f I coul dge t a cop y o f th e day' s fligh t schedule . Q And , di dsh e giv e yo u one ? AYes , sh e did . The yha da binde r righ t ther e wit hth e day' s fligh t schedule . Sh e too k i t ou t o f th e binder , an dthere' s a cop ymachin e righ t ther e behin dher , an dsh e mad e a c op yan dgav e i t t o m ys e 1 f an d Inspecto r Dunmire . Q And , di dyo u tal k t o Ms . Welle r abou t anythin g else ? AI gues s I aske dhe r i f sh e kne w

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 whe nth e fue l ca p ha dbee nmissing , an dsh e

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sa ytha t i t happene djus t befor e sh e go t of f
wor k th e da ybefore , a t 4:00 . Q Okay . MS . MARTINO : Ma yI approach ? ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Sure . B YMS . MARTINO : Q I' mshowin g yo u what' s bee nmarke d
a s Agenc yExhibi t 1 .

{Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t No . 1. ) (Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s proffere dth e document. )

B YMS . MARTINO : Q D o yo u recogniz e that ? Q Yes . That' s th e Bel l helicopter . Q Ca nyo u identif yth e Nnumbe r o f tha t helicopter ? AYes , N226 8 Whiskey . Q And , i s thi s phot o a fai r an d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 accurat e depictio no f th e Bel l helicopte r yo u

sa wo nAugus t 7t ho f 2009 ? AYes , i t is . MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , th e Agenc ywoul dlik e t o mov e Exhibi t 1 int o evidence . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : An y objection , Mr . Jacob ?

MR . JACOB : No , You r Honor . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Agenc y Exhibi t 1 fo r identificatio ni s receive d int o evidenc e a s Agenc yExhibi t 1 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t 1 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMS . MARTINO : Q I' mno wshowin g yo u Exhibi t - - th e witnes s Agenc yExhibi t 2 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t No . 2. )

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 (Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s

proffere dth e document. )

B YMS . MARTINO : Q Mr . Kwasniewski , d o yo u recogniz e thi s photo ? A Yes . Q And , wha t i s it ? AThat' s a pictur e o f th e fue l por t
o f tha t aircraft , o f N226 8 Whiskey , a s w e foun di t a t th e fa r en do f thei r locatio n ther e a t Keystone . Q And , doe s thi s phot o fairl yan d accuratel ydepic t th e Bel l tha t yo u sa wo n Augus t 7 , 2009 ? AYes , i t does . MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , th e Agenc ywoul dlik e t o mov e Exhibi t 2 int o evidenc e a t thi s time .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Jacob , an yobjection ?

MR . JACOB : No , You r Honor . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Agenc y

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Exhibi t 2 fo r identificatio ni s receive di n

evidenc e a s Agenc yExhibi t 2 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t 2 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMS . MARTINO : Q Inspector , afte r yo u talke dt o th e Rushmor e pilo t abou t th e duc t tap e o nth e Bell , wha t wa s th e nex t ste p i nyou r investigatio no nAugus t 7th ? AInspecto r Dunmir e an dmyself , w e travele dfro mth e locatio ni nKeyston e u p t o Blac k Hill s Aeria l Adventures , nea r Custer . Q And , wh ydi dyo u decid e t o g o t o Custer ? AWen t ther e t o spea k wit hMr . Jacob , an dt o ge t a cop yo f th e fligh t schedul e fo r th e previou s day . Q I' mshowin g yo u what' s bee nmarke d
a s Agenc yExhibi t 3 . Ca nyo u tak e a loo k a t that ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 (Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t No . 3. ) (Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s proffere dth e document. )

TH E WITNESS : Yes . B YMS . MARTINO : Q D o yo u recogniz e tha t exhibit ? AYes . Q And , ho wd o yo u recogniz e that ? AIt' s a cop yo f th e schedul e tha t

w e receive dfro m

Mr . Jaco btha t da ya t Blac k Hill s Aeria l Adventures . Q Okay . And , tha t wa s receive di n Custer ? AA t Custer , yes . Q And , what' s th e dat e o f tha t fligh t schedule ? A8/ 6 o f '09 . Q And , i s thi s a tru e cop yo f th e fligh t schedul e yo u receive dfro mMr . Jaco bo n Augus t 7th , fo r th e fligh t schedule s o nAugus t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 6th ? AYes . MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , th e Agenc ywoul dlik e t o mov e Agenc yExhibi t 3 int o evidenc e a t thi s time .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Jacob , an yobjection ?

MR . JACOB : N o objection , You r Honor . However , I d o not e tha t th e fligh t schedule s ar e date dAugus t 6th , instea do f on e bein g date dAugus t 7th .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Yo u ca nbrin g tha t up , mak e sur e tha t yo u highligh t tha t i nyou r cas e i nchief .

Exhibi t 3 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e a s Exhibi t 3 .

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(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t No . 4. ) TH E WITNESS : Yes . B YMS . MARTINO : Q And , d o yo u recogn i z e thi s document ? AYes . Q Wha t i s it ? AIt' s a cop yo f th e fligh t schedul e receive dfro mMs . Welle r o nAugus t 7th , a t Rushmor e Helicopters . Q And , di dyo u receiv e i t a t th e Keyston e location ? AYes , a t th e Keyston e location . Q And , I se e o nther e tha t it ' s actuall ymarked , a s Mr . Jaco bjus t pointe d out , Augus t 6t ho f 2007 , i s tha t correct ? AYes . Afte r w e receive da cop yo f it , actually , afte r w e talke dt o Mr . Leffer t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 an dw e wer e leaving , o nou r wa yove r t o th e

Custe r locatio ni s whe nw e realize dtha t th e dat e wa s marke dincorrectly . Q So , ho wd o yo u kno wtha t thi s is , actually , th e Augus t 7t hschedule , whe nit' s marke dAugus t 6th ? AWhe nMs . Weller , thi s i s th e onl y schedul e tha t sh e had , i t wa s fo r tha t day . Sh e sai dal l th e previou s days ' schedule s the y didn' t eve nhav e the mthere , the ywer e a t th e othe r locatio ni nCuster . An dso , thi s i s th e onl yon e tha t wa s there , an dsh e sai di t wa s fo r tha t day . Q Othe r tha nth e yello whighlighte r mark s tha t ar e o ntha t schedule , i s ther e an y

- - i s tha t a fai r an daccurat e cop yo f th e fligh t schedul e tha t Ms . Welle r hande dyo u o n Augus t 7th , an dtol dyo u tha t i t wa s th e Augus t 7t hfligh t schedule ? AThi s seem s accurate , yes , correct . MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , th e Agenc ywoul dlik e t o mov e Agenc yExhibi t 4

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 int o evidenc e a t thi s time . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : M r Jacob ? MR . JACOB : I woul djus t question , min e ar e marke dExhibit s 1 an d2 .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : 1 an d2
ar e th e photographs .

M S . MARTINO : I'l l as k Mr . Kwasniewsk i a fe wquestion s abou t that .

B YMS . MARTINO : Q I notic e o nth e botto mo f tha t pag e there' s som e marking s tha t sa yExhibi t 1
an dExhibi t 2 nex t t o "fo r officia l us e only. " AYes . Q Wha t ar e thos e markings ? AI gues s I don' t know . Q Coul dthos e marking s b e par t o f th e enforcemen t packag e tha t yo u pu t together ? AYes , the ycoul dbe . Q Okay . AYes , I don' t believ e I pu t the m there , but , yes , the ycoul db e par t o f th e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 package , yes .

Q Okay . MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , th e Agenc yagai nmove s Agenc yExhibi t 4 int o evidenc e a t thi s time .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Mr . Jacob , tha t woul db e a subjec t o f prope r cros s examination .

MR . JACOB : I hav e n o objection , sir . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : No , that' s okay . Exhibi t 4 fo r identificatio ni s receive di nevidenc e a s Exhibi t 4 . I' mgoin g t o allo wMr . Jaco bsom e latitud e i nreferrin g t o th e marking s o nthes e o ncross .

(Whereupon , th e documen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t 4 , wa s receive di nevidence. )

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Inspecto r Kwasniewski , accordin g

t o Exhibi t 4 , ho wman yflight s di dRushmor e Helicopter s operat e i n6 8 Whiske yo nAugus t 7t ho f 2009 ? ATher e ar e te nentrie s fo r 6 8 Whiske yo ntha t day . Q And , wer e al l o f thos e flight s conducte di nth e Bel l wit hth e duc t tap e ove r th e fue l cap ? AAccordin g t o wha t Mr . Leffer t ha d said , yes . The ylos t th e fue l ca p th e da y before , an dthe ysaid , yo u know , the ydidn' t hav e it , an dthe y- - apparently , the y determine dtha t th e fue l ca p wa s no t a n airworthines s issu e a t th e time , s o the y continue dt o operat e o nth e 7th . So , yes . Q Okay . And , ho wman ypassengers , doe s tha t fligh t lo g tel l yo u ho wman y passenger s wer e o nthose , approximately , te n flights ? A27 , i f I counte dcorrectly . Q Now , yo u sai dtha t yo u als o wen t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 t o th e Custe r locatio nan dgo t th e fligh t

schedul e fo r th e da ybefore , Augus t 6t ho f

' 09 ? AYes . Q D o yo u kno wwhethe r an yo f thos e flight s wer e conducte dwit hduc t tap e ove r th e fue l cap ? AI don' t believ e the ywere . Q Goin g back , yo u als o sai dtha t yo u an dInspecto r Dunmir e ha ddrive nt o th e Respondent' s othe r locatio ni nCuster , Sout h Dakota , whic hi s wher e yo u go t tha t exhibi t o f th e prio r day' s fligh t log ? AYes . Q Whe nyo u go t t o tha t location , di d yo u spea k wit hanyon e fro mRushmor e Helicopters ? AYes , I spok e t o Mr . Jacob . Q And , wh o i s Mr . Jaco bagain ? AMr . Jaco bi s th e Presiden t an d
owne r o f Blac k Hill s Aeria l Adventure s an d Rushmor e Helicopters .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Okay . And , wha t di dyo u discus s

wit hMr . Jacob ? AAcoupl e things . W e wante dt o ge t tha t fligh t schedul e fo r th e day , an dals o w e ha da shor t discussio no nho wt o ge t th e helicopte r back , sinc e i t di dno t hav e a fue l

ca p o nit .

well . And , Mr . Leffer t showe du p a s

Q Di dMr . Jaco btel l yo u whethe r o r no t h e kne wtha t th e fue l ca p wa s missin g fro m th e Bel l 206 ? ANo , a t tha t tim e h e sai dh e didn' t kno wunti l th e mornin g o f th e 7th . Q And , woul dtha t hav e bee nprio r t o th e fligh t - - AYes . Q Di dMr . Jaco bgiv e an yindicatio n whethe r h e though t i t wa s a nairworthines s issu e t o hav e duc t tap e o nth e fue l cap , ove r th e fue l port ? AI wa s talkin g t o th e pilot , an d



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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 I' mtryin g t o remembe r th e conversatio nwit h

Mr . Jacob , bu t Mr . Leffer t sai dthe ydi d no t conside r tha t t o b e a nairworthines s issue . Q Di dyo u tal k t o Mr . Jaco babou t anythin g els e a t th e Custe r location ? ANothin g I ca nremember . Q Di dyo u spea k wit hanyon e els e whil e yo u wer e a t th e Custe r location ? AMr . Leffer t showe du p a s well . H e wa s a bi t upset . H e trie dt o ge t Mr . Dunmire' s pilo t certificate , an dsai dh e wa s upset , an dh e wa s jus t - - yo u know , a s fa r a s hi s losin g hi s pilo t certificat e afte r 4 0 year s ove r a nissu e ove r a fue l cap . Q And , di dMr . Dunmir e accep t Mr . Leffert' s certificate ? A No . Q D o yo u kno wwhy ? AI t jus t wouldn' t b e appropriat e to . Q Wha t di dyo u d o afte r yo u spok e wit hMr . Jaco ban dMr . Leffer t a t th e Custe r

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 office ?

AAfte r that . Inspecto r Dunmir e an d myself , w e lef t th e office , heade d t o Rushmor e Helicopter s afte r leavin g Custer . And , w e wer e leavin g th e parkin g lot , an dthe nw e notice dtha t th e helicopte r wa s ther e a t th e locatio ni nCuster . Q And , wha t di dyo u d o abou t th e helicopte r bein g a t th e Custe r location ? AA t tha t time , w e didn' t d o anything . I shoul dhav e gon e back , bu t whe n
w e returne dt o th e offic e w e calle dMr . Jaco b
an daske dhim , yo u know , w e wer e kin do f disappointe dtha t th e helicopte r wa s there , afte r w e warne dthe mo f flyin g withou t determinin g th e airworthiness .

And , Mr . Jaco bstate dtha t h e didn' t kno wi t wa s comin g back , bu t h e fle wi t bac k wit hth e duc t tap e ove r th e fue l port . Q Mr . Jaco btol dyo u tha t i t wa s flow nwithou t - - AYes , o nth e telephone .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Durin g you r investigation , di dyo u

loo k int o wh o wa s responsibl e fo r maintenanc e fo r Rushmor e Helicopters ? AYes , i nth e Operation s Manua l i t says , yo u know , th e pilo t i s responsible , b y thei r Op s Specs , Paragrap h8 4 9 , i t say s th e Presiden t an dagen t fo r service , Mr . Jacob , i s responsibl e fo r maintenance . Q Now , I understan dtha t yo u tol d th e Rushmor e Helicopter s pilo t bac k i n Keyston e tha t yo u wer e concerne dabou t th e airworthines s o f th e Bel l 206 . AYes . Q Ca nyo u explai nwha t yo u mean t fo r th e aircraf t t o b e airworthy ? AWell , t o b e airworthy , se e Orde r 8130.2F , FAAOrde r 8130 . 2F , i t state s tha t th e aircraf t ha s th e neede dtec hcertificat e an d b e saf e fo r flight .

And , t o b e thi s tec hcertificate , yo u know , i nthi s cas e th e fue l ca p i s par t o f th e aircraf t drawings , it' s a nessentia l part .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 accordin g t o th e aircraf t drawings . And , th e

aircraf t drawing s ar e considere dpar t o f th e tec hcertificat e dat a sheet .

S , i f it' s no t configure dwit h tha t fue l cap , o r properl yaltere dwit ha nSD C
o r - - jus t tha t alon e woul dmak e i t unworthy .

Alon g wit hthat , a s fa r a s saf e fo r flight , that' s anothe r issu e - - Q And , i s tha t a componen t o f a n aircraf t bein g airworthy ? AYes , yo u nee dbot hcomponents , a tec hcertificat e an db e saf e fo r flight , both . So , jus t b ytha t alone , i t woul db e considere d unairworthy . I t di dno t mee t th e tec h certificate . Q Okay . And , wa s i t saf e fo r flight , t o hav e duc t tap e ove r th e fue l port ? AA s fa r a s bein g saf e fo r flight , th e safet yi s compromise dfo r stuf f wit hduc t tape , o r withou t anything , there' s a possibilit yo f fue l contamination , th e fue l cell , whe nit' s no t seale dup .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q And , ho wdoe s tha t happen ?

AYo u know , i f th e roto r wash , yo u know , dirt , debris , grass , whateve r th e roto r syste mcoul dhav e t o kic k up , coul den du p i n th e fue l cell . Q And , wha t coul dhappe ni f ther e wa s contaminatio ni nth e fue l cell ? AI nextrem e cases , I suppos e i t coul dclo g th e fue l filter , eve npossibl yt o fue l starvation . Q Ar e ther e an yothe r safet y concern s abou t havin g duc t tap e ove r th e fue l port ? Yes . A s fa r a s i f there' s som e sor t o f incident , lik e th e aircraf t rolle d
over , accident s o f tha t type , th e cras h worthines s o f th e fue l cel l isn ' t wha t i t shoul dbe . Alo t o f fue l coul dspill , gettin g t o a highe r ris k o f a fire .

An dalso , anothe r thin g t o consider , o r I don' t thin k i t wa s considere d
a t th e tim e tha t th e duc t tap e wa s pu t ove r

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e port , wa s whethe r th e fille r ca p wa s

vente do r not . Q aircraft ? And , ho wcoul dtha t influenc e th e

AOkay . I f i t wa s a vente dcap , an d i f duc t tap e seale du p th e fue l port , an d woul dno t allo wi t t o vent , tha t could , yo u know , cause , yo u know , partia l fue l cel l collapse , an d als o coul dlea dt o fue l starvatio na s well .

I nthi s case , tha t wa s no t th e case . Yo u know , i t wa s no t a vente d cap , i t
wa s vente di n anothe r way . But , yo u know , I questio nwhethe r the y- - tha t wa s investigate d befor e the yactuall yseale dup , pu t duc t tap e ove r th e fille r port . Q Now , i f thi s wasn' t a vente dcap , an dth e duc t tap e allowe dsom e ventilation , coul dtha t hav e cause dan yproblem ? ANo t tha t I' mawar e of . Q Okay . 

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possibly . Q Durin g you r investigation , di dyo u contac t Bel l Helicopter s a t al l abou t th e airworthines s o f havin g duc t tap e ove r th e fue l port ? AYes , yes , I did . I contacte da technica l representative , on e ou t o f Colorado , an dI jus t ende du p i na conversatio nwit hon e ou t o f Minnesot a a s well . And , the yal l state dtha t the ywoul dconside r i t unairworthy , i t shoul dno t b e operatin g tha t way . Q And , di dthe yexplai nwh ythe y fel t i t wa s unairworthy ? ABasically , th e sam e reasons . Q Durin g you r investigation , di dyo u spea k wit hanyon e els e a t Bel l Helicopter ? AYes , jus t recentl yI wa s talkin g t o Engineerin g a t Bel l Helicopter , an d the y state dtha t - - th e sam e thing , tha t th e fue l
ca p wa s par t o f th e to p --a nessentia l par t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 o f th e to p drawin g fo r th e helicopter , whic h

i s par t o f th e tec hcertificate . And , tha t woul db e considere dunairworthy . An dalso , i t raise dsafet yconcern s a s well . Q Inspector , I' mhandin g yo u what' s bee nmarke da s Agenc yExhibi t 7 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t No . (Whereupon , th e proffere dth e document. )

B YMS . MARTINO : 7. ) witnes s wa s

Q D o yo u recogniz e this ? Yes . Q And , ho wd o yo u recogniz e this ? AIt' s a nemai l tha t wa s sen t t o m e b yMr . Dickerson , he ' s a nenginee r wit h Produc t Suppor t Engineerin g fro mBel l Helicopter . Q What' s th e dat e o f th e email ? AIt' s 4/1 9 o f thi s year . Q And , i s thi s a tru e an daccurat e

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yo u o nApri l 19t ho f thi s year ? AYes , i t is . Q And , wh o i s Anthon yDickerson ? AHe' s th e Produc t Suppor t Enginee r wit hBel l Helicopter .

MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , I' dlik e t o mov e Agenc yExhibi t 7 int o evidenc e a t thi s time .

Jacob ? ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : M r

MR . JACOB : N o objection . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Agenc y Exhibi t 7 fo r identificatio ni s receive di n evidenc e a s Agenc yExhibi t 7 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t 7 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMS . MARTINO : Q Changin g gear s fo r jus t a second , d o yo u kno wi f Rushmor e Helicopter s eve r

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 considere dobtainin g a ferr ypermit , whe nthe y

realize dth e fue l ca p o f th e Bel l 20 6 wa s missing ? ANo t t o m yknowledge . Q Wha t i s a ferr ypermit ? AAferr ypermi t i s - - it' s for , i f there' s a nairworthines s issue , i f th e aircraf t doe s no t mee t it s airworthines s requirements , it's , basically , a permi t t o fl y th e aircraf t fro mwhereve r th e aircraf t happen s t o be , usually , t o a maintenanc e facility . It' s a fairl ysimpl e process . Th e aircraf t owne r o r agen t fo r th e owne r woul d cal l th e offic e an dspea k t o a maintenanc e inspecto r a t th e Fligh t Standard s Office , an d dependin g o nth e situatio ncircumstances , the y ar e grante dfairl yoften , and , actually , sen t t o th e aircraf t owne r o r thei r agen t again .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 hav e t o hav e a maintenanc e personnel , hav e th e

tec hcertificat e an dmaintenanc e personnel , actually , inspec t th e aircraf t an dsig na lo g boo k a s saf e fo r tha t flight . Q And , ar e yo u awar e whethe r o r no t
a ferr ypermi t wa s requested ? AI' mno t awar e o f any , no . Q Coul dthe yhav e requeste da ferr y permit ? AYes , the ycoul dhave . Q And , i f the yha daske dyou , woul d yo u hav e grante dthe mone ? AI believ e I woul dhave , yes . O f course , the ywouldn' t hav e bee n abl e t o fl yth e passengers , o r anythin g lik e that , i t woul djus t b e a fligh t wit hth e essentia l personne l only . Probabl yther e woul dhav e bee nsomethin g i nth e DAR , maybe , yo u know , a straigh t an dleve l flight , an d tha t typ e o f thing . Ther e woul d hav e bee n limitation s wit hth e ferr ypermit .

MS . MARTINO : On e minute .

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B YMS . MARTIN O Q Inspector , I' mhandin g yo u what' s bee nmarke da s Agenc yExhibi t 5 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t No . 5. ) (Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s proffere dth e document. )

B YMS . MARTINO : Q D o yo u recogniz e that ? AYes , I do . Q Wha t i s it ? AIt ' s a lette r receive dfro mMr . Leffert , I believ e it' s i nrespons e t o ou r lette r o f investigation . Q Wa s ther e a separat e investigatio n an dviolatio nagains t Mr . Leffert ? ATher e wa s a separat e investigatio n o f Mr . Leffert , yes . Q And , i s th e sam e cop yo f th e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 lette r tha t yo u receive di nrespons e t o th e

lette r o f investigatio nfro mMr . Leffert ? AI believ e so , othe r tha nth e highlighting , yes .

MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , th e Agenc ymove s Exhibi t 5 int o evidenc e a t thi s tim e .

Jacob ? ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : M r

MR . JACOB : I hav e n o objections . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Agenc y Exhibi t 5 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e a s Agenc yExhibi t 5 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t 5 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMS . P4ARTIN0 : Q Inspector , I' mhandin g yo u what' s bee nmarke da s Agenc yExhibi t 6 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Agenc yExhibi t No . 6. ) (Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s proffere dth e document. )

B YMS . MARTINO : Q Ca nyo u tak e a loo k a t al l fou r page s o f tha t exhibit ? D o yo u recogniz e tha t document ? AYes , it' s a nOrde r 2150.3B , it' s a Complianc e an dEnforcemen t order . Q I s i t th e whol e Complianc e an d Enforcemen t order ? AJus t a portio no f it , jus t fou r page s o f tha t order .

MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , I' dlik e t o mov e Agenc yExhibi t 6 int o evidenc e a t thi s time .

Jacob ? ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Mr .

MR . JACOB : I hav e n o objection . You r Honor .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Agenc y Exhibi t 6 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 evidenc e a s Agenc yExhibi t 6 . (Whereupon , th e documen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t 6 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , th e Agenc yha s n o furthe r question s o f Inspecto r Kwasniewsk i a t thi s time .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Jacob , yo u hav e th e righ t t o as k th e witnes s questions . MR . JACOB : Than k you .

CROS S EXAMINATIO N B YMR . JACOB : Q Goo dmorning . Inspector . AGoo dmorning . Q I'1 1 firs t apologiz e fo r m ylac k
o f corporat e etiquett e an ds o forth .

Gary , yo u indicate dtha t o nAugus t 7t hyo u spok e wit hMar yDavis ? AYes . Q Regardin g he r complaint ?

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Yes . A t tha t time , sh e di dno t indicat e whic haircraf t sh e fel t wa s affected ? ASh e sai di t wa s a re done , I believ e othe r tha nthat , no . Q Ho wman yre daircraf t di d yo u observ e a t th e Rushmor e locatio no ntha t day ? ATha t one , fo r sure . Q T o th e bes t o f you r knowledge , an d you r familiarit ywit hou r operation s wit hbot h Blac k Hill s Aeria l Adventure s an dRushmor e Helicopters , ho wman yre dhelicopter s w e hav e i nou r fleet ? A I don' t know . Q I nregard s t o th e tap e ove r th e fue l port , yo u indicate dyo u fel t tha t tha t constitut e safet yo f th e flight ? ASafet ywa s compromised , I believe , ye s . Q And , i f yo u ha dsee npassenger s embar k fro mtha t fligh t tha t fel t tha t tha t
wa s a nunsaf e operation , yo u woul dno t hav e

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 stoppe dtha t immediately ?

AI f - - a s fa r a s stoppin g that , I believ e yo u ar e referrin g t o stoppin g tha t fligh t tha t day . Q Preventin g passenger s fro m boardin g th e aircraft . AI woul dhav e spoke nt o th e pilo t abou t it , an dinforme dhi mearlie r --a t tha t tim e I woul dhav e informe do f th e - - ther e ma y b e a violatio no f th e regulation s a t tha t time . But , a t tha t particula r time , I didn't . M yow nsafety , I didn' t fee l I shoul d b e runnin g ou t t o g o i nfron t o f th e helicopte r tha t wa s startin g t o tak e off . Q I wasn' t there , s o I can' t as k yo u question s abou t wha t Mr . Leffer t ma ytestif y about . Whe nyo u wer e speakin g wit hMs . Davis , wa s tha t helicopte r visibl e fro mtha t location ? A 

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 remember , I kno wther e wa s activity . Yo u

know , w e sa whelicopter s comin g an dgoing . I don' t kno wi f tha t helicopte r - - I don' t kno w exactl ywhe ntha t helicopte r arrived . Q But , tha t locatio nwa s visibl e fro m- -

Yes . Yes , fro mth e restaurant , yes .

Q And , yo u wer e sen t t o tha t location , specifically , becaus e o f th e complaint . Yo u indicate dth e duc t tap e wa s place dove r th e fue l port . AYes . Q Speakin g wit hMs . Davis , though , yo u ha dn o ide a ho wman ytime s th e aircraf t
cam e an dwen t fro mtha t location ? ASh e sai di t ha dbee nflyin g - - i t ha dcom e an dgone , I believ e sh e said . I don' t - - I don' t remembe r exactl yi f she , yo u know , actually , state dho wman ytime s i t ha d
com e an dgone . Q Afte r yo u spok e wit hMr . Leffert ,

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 yo u di dobserv e hi mge t bac k i nth e helicopte r

an dcontinu e anothe r flight , however ? AI' msorry ? Q Yo u spok e briefl ywit hMr . Leffert , yo u testified , an dthe nyo u allowe d hi mt o climbbac k i nth e helicopte r an d procee dwit hanothe r flight ? AWhe nth e aircraf t wa s a t th e fuelin g - - ove r b yth e fuelin g pad , w e spok e t o hi mbriefly , an daske dhi mi f ther e wer e an yairworthines s issues , an dh e sai dno .

And , a t tha t poin t I ha dn o reaso n t o doub t wha t h e said . Q Excep t h e wa s operatin g th e re d helicopte r o nth e location , assumin g yo u though t ha dduc t tap e ove r it ? AI t may . Q Whe nyo u spok e wit h- - again , I hav e t o apologize , I' ma bi t confuse do nthi s als o bein g date dth e 6t ho nth e 7th . Yo u indicate dtha t Maria hWelle r gav e yo u on e o f them .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AMaria hWelle r gav e m e th e cop y

tha t w e receive do nth e 7th . I believ e that' s th e on e wit hth e highlighte dmarkin g o nit . Q But , it' s date dth e 6t halso . AYes , the yar e bot hdate dth e 6th . Q An dthen , accordin g t o you r testimony , I provide dyo u th e on e tha t wa s date dth e 6th , th e previou s day ? AYes , whe nw e wen t t o tha t locatio n i nCuster , eithe r yo u o r - - I ha d spoke nt o yo u abou t it , an dI don' t kno wi f yo u instructe dsomeon e i nyou r offic e t o giv e u s a copy , o r i f yo u personall yhande di t t o me . I don' t know , bu t w e aske dfo r i t fro m you . Q Whe nyo u looke da t thi s repor t tha t Ms . Welle r provide dyou , di dyo u notic e tha t there' s a lo t o f scribblin g mark s an ds o fort ho nthere ? AYes . Q And , it' s apparen t tha t sh e get s confuse dquit e easily , a s t o wh o i s doin g wha t
an dwhen ? That' s kin do f apparent , I woul d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 assum e whe nyo u looke da t he r record s yo u - - MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , objection . That' s speculation .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Overruled . MR . JACOB : I hav e n o furthe r question s alon g thos e lines .

B YMR . JACOB : Q Hav e yo u ha dth e opportunit yi n you r caree r t o wor k o na Bel l 206 ? ANo t o na Bel l 206 . Q And , yo u ar e familia r wit hth e fue l syste m

o f th e 206 ? AI' mfairl yfamilia r wit hit . Q And , i t ha s a 76-gallo ncapacity , jus t th e genera l layou t o f th e fuel ? AYes , othe r tha nlookin g a t m y familiarity , I gues s I'v e loo k throug hth e Maintenanc e Manua l a bit , an dam , basically , familia r wit hth e layou t o f it . I don' t remembe r th e fue l capacity . Q Woul dyo u sa ytha t differen t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 peopl e coul dhav e differen t opinion s abou t th e

airworthiness , differen t Bel l engineers , tec h reps , coul dhav e different , varyin g opinions , dependin g o nwh o yo u spok e with ? AI spok e t o thre e o f them , an dthe y al l gav e m e th e sam e answer . Q But , woul dyo u thin k it' s possibl e tha t a differen t re p coul dhav e a differen t interpretation ?

MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , objectio nagain . That' s speculation .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Overruled . TH E WITNESS : I suppos e it' s possibl e anothe r enginee r coul dhav e anothe r opinion . Bu t again , thre e separate , tw o technica l representative s an da nenginee r wit h Bel l al l state dtha t the yconsidere di t unairworth yfo r severa l reasons .

B YMR . JACOB : Q Well , I gues s jus t hypothetically , i f w e wer e t o hav e spoke nwit ha nenginee r

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 fro mBel l Helicopte r o nth e da yi nquestion ,

an dh e indicate dtha t th e fue l ca p wa s no t a structura l componen t o f th e aircraft , an dtha t i nhi s opinio ni t di dno t constitut e a n airworthines s issue , an dtha t h e woul dissu e a lette r o f non-objection , d o yo u thin k tha t hypotheticall ytha t woul db e a possibility ? AIt' s no t considere da structura l component ? Q I f anothe r enginee r ha dmad e tha t statement . AI' msorry , coul dyo u as k th e questio nagain ? I' mconfused . Q Jus t hypothetically , i f anothe r engineer , separat e fro mwh o yo u ha dspoke n with , ha drendere dhi s opinio na s regardin g th e fac t tha t it' s no t a structura l componen t
o f th e aircraft , an di nhi s opinio ntha t i t di dno t constitut e a nairworthines s issue , an d tha t tha t - - b yplacin g duc t tap e ove r th e fue l por t i t kep t contaminant s ou t o f th e system , an dh e woul dforwar da lette r o f non -

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possibility ? AI fin di t har dt o believe . Q Okay . MR . JACOB : I gues s I don' t hav e anymor e question s a t thi s point .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : An y redirect ? MS . MARTINO : Jus t ver ybriefly .

REDIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMS . MARTINO : Q Inspecto r Kwasniewski , ho wd o yo u kno wtha t Exhibi t 4 , althoug hit' s date d Augus t 6t ho f 2009 , is , actually , th e fligh t schedul e fo r Augus t 7t ho f 2009 ? AI nth e office , a t Rushmor e Helicopters , tha t wa s th e onl yschedul e fo r th e day . Ms . Welle r tol du s tha t wa s th e schedul e fo r th e day , an dal l previou s fligh t schedule s ar e take nt o th e othe r locatio na t Blac k Hill s Aeria l Adventure s i nCuster . So , th e onl yschedul e tha t the yha dwa s tha t on e

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 fo r tha t day , an dsh e too k i t ou t o f th e

binde r i nfron t o f us , turne daroun dan dmad e a cop yo f it , an dhande di t t o us . Q D o yo u remembe r allowin g Mr . Leffer t t o fl ywit hpassengers , afte r yo u di d realiz e tha t ther e wa s duc t tap e ove r th e fue l cap , wa s ther e an yway , onc e yo u realize dtha t ther e wa s duc t tap e o nth e ca p tha t yo u coul d hav e safel ystoppe dhi mfro mtakin g off ? AI didn' t fee l I coul dd o i t safely . MS . MARTINO : Nothin g further . You r Honor .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : An y furthe r question s o f thi s witness ? D o yo u wan t hi mt o remai no r i s h e fre e t o go ?

MS . MARTINO : I' dlik e hi mt o remain . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Sir , yo u ar e excuse dan dI instruc t yo u no t t o discus s you r testimon ywit hanybod yprio r t o th e conclusio no f th e hearing . Yo u ca nsta y

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ou t i ntha t area .

excused. ) (Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Ca l 1 you r nex t witness .

MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , th e Agenc ycall s Mr . Rober t Lero yLeffert .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Sir , stan dan drais e you r righ t hand .

Please , b e seated , an dstat e you r ful l nam e fo r th e record , an dspel l you r firs t
an dlas t name .

MR . LEFFERT : Rober t Lero y Leffert , R-0-B-E-R- T L-E-R-0- YL-E-F-F-E-R
T . I g o b yth e nicknam e o f Lee .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . G o ahead . WHEREUPON , ROBER T LERO YLEFFER T
wa s calle dfo r examinatio nb yCounse l fo r th e Agency , an dhavin g bee nfirs t dul ysworn , testifie da s follows :

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 DIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMS . MARTINO : Q Mr . Leffert , d o yo u hol dan yFAA certificates ? AYes , I do . Q Wha t i s it ? AIt' s a Commercia l Fixe dWing , Singl e Engin e Helicopte r Roto r Craft . Q And , wer e yo u employe db yRushmor e Helicopter s o nAugus t 6t han dAugus t 7t ho f 2009 ? A Yes , ma'am . Q And , wha t wa s you r positio nthere ? APilot . Q Whe nyo u wer e employe do nAugus t 6t ho f '09 , wer e yo u workin g tha t day ? AYes . Q And , di dyo u fl yon e o f Rushmore' s helicopter s tha t day ? AYes , I did . 

### QDo yo uremembe r whic hhelicopte r yo uflew ?

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 A6 8 Whiskey .

Q Wha t happene dtha t da yi nregard s t o 6 8 Whiskey ? AO nthe , wha t wa s it , I gues s th e 7t hI gues s i t was , th e 6th , yes , o nth e 6th , I ha drefuele dan don e o f th e groun dcre wcam e ove r t o help , an dsh e wa s havin g som e problem s puttin g th e hose s awa yan dI go t distracte da littl e bit .

And , th e fue l ca p didn' t ge t pu t
on . And , I wen t ahea dan drelocate dfro m th e fue l pa dt o th e loadin g pad , picke du p m y passenger s an dtoo k off .

An dthen , afte r I wa s i nth e ai r fo r a coupl e o f minutes , i t wa s on e o f thos e thing s that , I thin k I forgo t th e fue l cap .

So , I mad e a U-turn , cam e bac k an d landed , an dtol dm ypassenger s ther e wa s n o emergency , bu t I ha dt o chec k somethin g out .

And , whe nI go t dow no nth e ground , unloade dth e passengers , I looke dbac k
an dth e fue l ca p was , indeed , missing .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 So , I - -

Q Wer e yo u abl e t o fin di t tha t day ? AYes , I did . I immediatel yshu t dow nth e aircraft , an dthe nwen t t o loo k fo r th e fue l cap .

I full yexpecte dt o se e i t layin g o nth e groun dbetwee nth e refuelin g pa d an d th e loadin g pad , bu t i t wasn' t there .

So , I looke dal l over , I followe d

m yfligh t pat ha s fa r a s I coul dint o th e woods , an dI probabl yspen t a nhou r lookin g fo r it . An dthe nabou t tha t time , I calle d Mik e an dsai dI ' v e los t a fue l cap , an dI wondere di f h e ha da spare .

H e sai dno , tha t h e didn' t hav e one , bu t I shoul dg o ove r t o th e hanga r tha t
wa s use db yth e owne r o f th e facilit ytha t Mik e wa s leasin g out , an dse e i f I coul dfin d
a fue l ca p there . Q And , that' s al l a t th e Keyston e location ?

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AAl l a t th e Keyston e location . An dso , I wen t int o th e hanga r an d I foun da coupl e thre e o r fou r fue l caps , brough t the mou t t o th e helicopter , an dnon e o f the mfit .

So , I calle du p Mik e again , an d Mik e wa s unavailable . H e wa s gon e doin g somethin g else . Q Di dyo u leav e a voic e messag e o r anything ? ANo , I didn' t eve nd o that . I jus t trie dt o cal l him , i s Mik e there , no , he' s no t her e righ t now , Q So , wha t di dyo u do ? AAn dso , no t knowin g wha t els e t o do , I wen t ahea dan dgo t som e duc t tape , pu t i t ove r th e fue l por t t o kee p debri s out , an d mayb e an yciphonin g i nth e fue l tha t migh t
occu r whil e I wa s i nth e air , an dfle wbac k t o th e Craz yHors e Heliport . Q And , i s tha t i nCuster , Sout h Dakota ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AThat' s jus t outsid e o f Custer .

Q Wha t happene dwhe nyo u go t bac k t o tha t location ? AMik e wasn' t ther e still , an ds o I
wen t ahea dan dshu t dow nth e aircraft , an dw e pushe di t bac k int o th e hangar , an dthe nI lef t fo r th e day .

And , th e nex t mornin g I cam e bac k
a t th e regula r time , an dMik e assigne dpeopl e t o fl yth e variou s locations , an dh e assigne d

m e t o fl ybac k a t Keystone . Q I nth e sam e helicopter ? AI nth e sam e helicopter . Q Okay . Wha t di dyo u do ? AAn dthen , w e discusse dth e lac k o f th e fue l cap , an dw e bantere dtha t bac k an d fort ha littl e bit , an dthe nbase dupo nth e informatio ntha t I ha dwit hth e fue l ca p no t reall ybein g a structura l componen t o f th e helicopter , an dwit hth e fue l load s tha t w e wer e flyin g with , whic hwa s a hal f to , approximately , a neight ho f a tank , ver ylo w

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 fue l loads , jus t tryin g t o kee p th e weight s

dow ns o w e coul dfl yth e passenger s mor e safely . Ther e wa s anothe r fue l ca p tha t
wa s alread yordered , i t wa s o nit s way , an di t
wa s saf e t o temporaril yus e duc t tap e t o cove r th e port . Q Ho wd o yo u kno wtha t a fue l ca p ha dbee nordered ? AMik e sai dso . Q And , tha t wa s befor e you r flight s o nAugus t 7th ? AYes . An dthen , I wen t ahea dan d flew , an dthe nth e FAAgentleme nwer e ther e t o gree t m e tha t afternoon .

And , whe nI firs t sa wthem , th e fue l ca p hadn' t eve nentere dm ymind . I figure di t wa s jus t a routin e ramp chec k tha t the ywer e ou t ther e for .

So , I wen t ove r an daske dthe m- - I wen t ove r an daske dthe mi f I coul dhel p them . The ysai dthe yneede dt o tal k t o me .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 an dthe nthe yaske dm e i f I ha danymor e

passenger s waiting .

I said , yes , I ha danothe r loa d waiting . H e said , g o ahea dan dfl ythose , whe nyo u ge t bac k the nwe'l l talk .

I sai dokay , s o I wen t ahea dan d mad e myflight , the nI cam e back . The ycam e ou t t o gree t m e a t th e helicopter . Q Whe nyo u firs t talke dt o them , di d yo u tel l the mtha t ther e wa s duc t tap e ove r th e fue l cap ? ANo . Q Okay . An d- - AI t wasn' t mentioned , I wasn' t eve n thinkin g abou t it . Q Okay . And , the nwhe nyo u too k you r las t fligh t an dcam e down , an dthe ycam e ou t t o gree t yo u again , wha t di dthe ytel l you ? AThe ysai dtha t I wa s i nviolatio n becaus e o f th e duc t tap e ove r i s a violatio n

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 of , i t wa s 91. 7 I thin k i t was . A , an d tha t

the ywer e groundin g me .

An dso , w e discusse dtha t for , oh , probabl yabou t 15-2 0 minute s o r so , an dtha t
was , basically , wha t happened . Q Okay . Di dth e Agenc yinitiat e a n enforcemen t actio nagains t you r certificate , i nregard s t o thi s case ? AYes , the ydid . Followin g th e incident , I wen t ahea dan dfile da NAS A report , an di ncorrespondenc e wit hth e FAA the ywer e goin g t o suspen dm ylicens e for , I thin k i t was , 6 0 days , an dthe nafte r a n informa l telephon e conferenc e wit hChris , I can' t remembe r wha t hi s las t nam e wa s - - Q Zurales ? A- - yes , tha t i t wa s reduce dt o a 3 0-daysuspension .

An dthen , becaus e o f th e NAS A repor t tha t suspensio nwa s suspended . Q D o yo u kno who wman yf1ight s yo u too k o nAugus t 7t ho f '0 9 wit hduc t tap e ove r

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1 th e fue l port ? 2 AAccordin g t o th e records , ther e 3 wa s abou t te nflights . I don' t remembe r doin g 4 tha t many , bu t tha t was , apparently , th e case , 5 Q D o yo u remembe r whethe r o r no t yo u 6 refuele da t al l afte r yo u --d o yo u remembe r 7 refuelin g a t all , eithe r a t Custe r o r a t 8 Keystone , o nAugus t 7t ho f '09 ? 9 AWell , I fuele dth e aircraf t u p i n 1 0 Custe r befor e I left , an dtha t wa s standar d 1 1 procedures . Yo u g o ahea dan dfue l u p fo r th e 1 2 day . 1 3 Q So , tha t mornin g yo u refueled . 1 4 ATha t mornin g I refueled . 1 5 Q Di dyo u hav e t o tak e th e duc t tap e 1 6 of f t o refuel ? 1 7 AYes . 1 8 Q And , di dyo u pu t th e sam e duc t 1 9 tap e bac k on ? 2 0 AWell , no t th e same , bu t I pu t duc t 2 1 tap e on , fres hduc t tape , yes . 2 2 I I Q And , d o yo u remembe r refuelin g an y

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Othe r tim e tha t day ?

AI d o no t remembe r refuelin g an y tha t day , bu t i t woul dhav e bee nth e sam e procedur e i f I woul dhav e refueled , I woul d hav e remove dth e duc t tap e an dthe npu t fres h duc t tap e ove r th e port . Q Okay . D o yo u kno who wlon g i t too k fo r Rushmor e Helicopter s t o ge t th e fue l
ca p fo r tha t Bel l 206 ? AI don' t know . A f t e r I 1ande do n th e 7th , I wen t ahea dan dcleane dou t my locke r an dleft,becaus e th e nex t da ywa s goin g t o b e m ylas t da yanyway . And , s o I don' t kno wwhe nth e fue l ca p arrived . Q Okay . AI t wa s afte r I left . MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , i f I ma y hav e jus t a moment .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Sure . MS . MARTINO : Nothin g furthe r fo r Mr . Leffert .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Mr . Jacob ? CROS S EXAMINATIO N B YMR . JACOB : Q Goo dmorning . AGoo dmorning . Q You'v e alread ytestifie dt o lengt h

o f employmen t wit hBlac k Hil l Aeria l Adventure s an dRushmor e Helicopters . AI don' t thin k - - ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : I don' t thin k h e did .

TH E WITNESS : I don' t thin k I sai d

MR . JACOB : I' msorry . TH E WITNESS : I wa s unde r thei r employmen t for , basically , a seaso nan dthre e quarters , th e yea r befor e that , an dthe nu p throug hAugus t 7t ho f tha t particula r year , o f that .

' 09 . B YMR . JACOB : Q Coul dyo u describ e fo r m e a littl e bi t abou t you r previou s flyin g history ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AI graduate dfro mmilitar yfligh t

schoo l i n1968 , an dwen t t o Vietnam , spen t tou r a s a comba t pilot . I cam e bac k t o th e State s i n'69 , an dha da tw o yea r tou r a t Ft . Walters , Texa s a s a ninstructo r pilot .

The nafte r that , I decide dt o ge t
ou t o f th e military , g o bac k t o school , ge t my degree , an dI , afte r graduation , go t a jo b wit hth e U.S . Fores t Service , an dthe nI joine dth e Nationa l Guard . An dthen , I fle w fo r th e Nationa l Guar dfo r abou t 2 0 years , a s a medicatio nevacuatio npilo t an dinstructo r pilot . Q So , yo u hav e extensiv e helicopte r experience . AYes , I do . Q Approximately , ho wman yfligh t hours ? AAbou t 4,50 0 tota l righ t now . Q Woul dyo u eve r conside r operatin g a naircraft , especiall ya helicopter , i f yo u fel t i t wa s unsaf e o r unairworthy ?

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 A I woul dnot . Tha t wa s on e o f th e

thing s that , especiall ybein g i nth e medica l evacuation , safet ywa s drille dint o ou r heads . Q A t an yt im e tha t you ' v e bee n employe db yBlac k Hill s Aeria l Adventure s o r Rushmor e Helicopters , hav e yo u eve r bee n ordere dt o fl ya naircraf t agains t you r will , fo r threa t o f terminatio no r an yothe r threat ? AI hav e not . Q Hav e yo u alway s bee nallowe dth e latitud e t o - - flyin g aircraft ? AYes , I have . Q Ar e yo u familia r - - or , I' msorry , d o yo u recal l a telephon e conversatio ntha t w e discusse do nth e mornin g o f Augus t 7th , prio r t o yo u departin g Blac k Hill s Aeria l Adventures ? ANo , I wa s no t priv yt o a conversation . I t wa s jus t a conversatio nabou t
a conversation . Q Durin g whic hw e discusse dth e conversatio ntha t w e ha dha dwit hth e Bel l

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7

9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Helicopte r tec hrepresentativ e tha t morning ?

AYes . Q D o yo u recal l an yo f th e detail s tha t wer e expresse dt o yo u regardin g thi s conversation ? ATh e basi c gis t o f th e conversatio n wa s tha t th e Bel l tec hha dbee ncontacted , an d th e fue l ca p wa s no t considere dt o b e a structura l componen t o f th e helicopter , an d thoug hno t recommended , base dupo nth e fue l load s tha t w e wer e doing , an dth e ne wfue l ca p bein g ordered , tha t thoug hno t recommende di t
wa s no t a violatio no f regulation s tha t I fle w withou t a fue l cap .

And , base dupo ntha t informatio n tha t I ha da t th e time , an dconversin g wit h
som e o f th e othe r pilot s informall ytha t wer e i nth e bay , w e decide dtha t puttin g duc t tap e ove r th e por t wa s no t considere dt o b e a safet yhazar do r a non-airworth ycondition , an dI flew .

Q 

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 I conversatio nwith , I believe , wa s Mr . Roge r

Dubbs . I believ e Roge r wa s on e o f them . ye s Q And , hi s capacit ywit hou r organizatio nis ? AH e wa s chie f pilot . Q Ar e yo u familia r wit han yo f hi s qualifications ? ARoge r ha s bee nflying , I thin k h e starte di n' 6 6 i f I remembe r right , an dh e wa s a ninstructo r pilo t fo r man yyear s a t th e Sout hDakot a Nationa l Guar dher e i nRapi d City , an dthe nh e becam e facilit ycommander , retire da ful l colonel . Q And , durin g you r conversatio nwit h Mr . Dubb s o ntha t morning , di dh e indicat e a n airworthines s o r safet yissu e t o you ? AWei1 , w e talke dabou t th e duc t tape , an di nhi s min dh e di dno t believ e tha t i t wa s a nissue . Q 

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 inspector s fro mth e FAAa t th e helipor t i n

Keystone , wer e yo u currentl yo na fligh t wit h passenger s a t tha t time ? AI ha djus t returne dfro ma flight , an dI sa wthe mstandin g ou t i nfron t o f th e office . Q And , wha t happene dthen ? AI wen t ove r t o the man daske dthe m wha t the ywanted , an dthe ytol dm e tha t h e neede dt o tal k t o me , an dthe ythe naske dm e i f I ha dan yflight s pending . I said , yes , ther e wa s a loa dwaiting , an dh e sai dg o ahea d
an dfl ythat , whe nyo u com e bac k the nthe y wante dt o tal k t o me , an dthat' s wha t I did . Q Ca nyo u recal l i nyou r initia l conversatio nwit hthem , di dthe yas k you , specifically , abou t an yairworthines s issue s wit hyou r aircraft ? ANo . Q Di dthe yas k yo u abou t duc t tap e ove r th e fue l port ? ANo .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q So , yo u ar e indicatin g t o m e tha t

the ytol dyo u t o g o ahead , loa dyou r passengers , an d d o th e flight ? AYes . Q Wha t happene dafte r that ? AI landed , an d the nthe ycam e ou t t o th e aircraft . I unloade dm ypassengers , an dthe nI wa s informe dtha t I wa s flyin g a n unairworth yaircraft . Q Durin g you r initia l conversation , the ymentione dnothin g whatsoeve r abou t th e aircraf t bein g unairworthy ? AA s fa r a s I ca nremember , th e onl y thin g tha t the ysai dwa s tha t the yneede dt o tal k t o me , an d tha t wa s th e exten t o f th e conversation . Q And , yo u als o alread yindicate d tha t yo u hav e bee nsanctione db yth e FAAfo r you r Par t 9 1 fligh t operation ? AThat' s correct . I hav e been .

MR
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : An y

redirect ? MS . MARTINO : Jus t quickly .

REDIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMS . MARTINO : Q Mr . Leffert , di dyo u appea l th e Notic e o f Propose dSanctio ntha t wa s issue d agains t you r pilo t certificate ? AT o th e poin t wher e I ha da n informa l consultatio nwit hth e lawyers . Q Okay . And , onc e th e orde r o f suspensio nwa s issued , di dyo u appea l that ? ANo , I di dnot . Q Whe nth e inspector s firs t cam e ou t t o th e Keyston e location , I understan dtha t yo u approache deac hother . Di dyo u tel l th e inspector s tha t th e fue l por t ha dduc t tap e o n it ? No , I di dnot . The ydidn' t ask , an dI didn' t say . Q Okay . MS . MARTINO : Nothin g further ,

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 You r Honor . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . It' s 10:20 . W e ar e goin g t o tak e - - sir , yo u ar e excused , an dI' mgoin g t o instruc t yo u no t t o discus s you r testimon ywit hanybod yprio r t o th e conclusio no f th e hearing .

It' s u p t o counse l whethe r yo u nee dt o remain .

{Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s excused . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : W e wil l tak e betwee na ten , 15-minut e break . We'l l
reconven e betwee n10:3 0 an d10:35 .

Zurale s i s 2-U-R-A-L-E-S . The nw e ar e of f th e record . (Whereupon , a t 10:1 9 a.m. , a reces s unti l 10:4 2 a.m. )

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Bac k o n th e record . Cal l you r nex t witness .

M S - MARTINO : Th e Agenc ywoul d lik e t o cal l Mr . Jame s Ba dHorse .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Okay . Pleas e b e seated . Stat e

you r firs t an dlas t nam e fo r th e record .

MR . BA D HORSE : Jame s Ba dHorse . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : I se e you r I D look s exactl ylik e mine .

Spel l you r firs t an dlas t name , please . MR . BA D HORSE : J-A-M-E-S , las t
nam e Ba dHorse , tw o words , B-A- D H-O-R-S-E , jus t lik e i t sounds .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Counsel ? WHEREUPON , JAME S BA D HORS E
wa s calle dfo r examinatio nb yCounse l fo r th e Agency , an dhavin g bee nfirs t dul ysworn , testifie da s follows :

DIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMS . MARTINO : Q Mr . Ba dHorse , d o yo u hol dan yFAA certificates ? A 

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. I' macertificate dAi r Fram e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 an dPowe r Plan t Mechanic .

Q And , ho w1 on g hav e yo u h e 1 dtha t certificate ? AOh , sinc e 1985 . Q And , sinc e - - ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : So , yo u ar e gettin g lik e me , peopl e as k m e ho wol dm y kid s are , an dI hav e t o si t dow nan dsay , le t
m e see . Yo u hav e t o d o th e math .

TH E WITNESS : Yes . And , I als o hol da ninspectio nauthorizatio na s well .

B YMS . MARTINO : Q And , ho whav e yo u use dyou r A& P sinc e 1985 ? A Oh , I'v e worke dfo r severa l companies . I worke dfo r a compan yoverseas , wher e w e operated , i t wa s a Governmen t contract , workin g fo r th e Army , ha dt o retur n t o servic e helicopters , fixe dwin g aircraft .

An dthen , worke dfo r a compute r airlin e servic e ou t o f Gran dDow , Nebraska , wher e w e use dou r A& P licens e t o actuall y

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o nboard . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN ; Who' s ou t o f Gran dIsland ?

TH E WITNESS : Use dt o b e G P Expres s Airlines .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . TH E WITNESS : The ywen t bankrup t i n'97 , I believe .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Yes , I d o a lo t o f th e regiona l carriers . I jus t kin do f mentall ykee p trac k o f these .

B YMS . MARTINO : Q Ho wofte nd o yo u us e you r A&P ? AOh , wit hth e agency , i t helpe dm e ge t o nwit hth e Agenc yhavin g a nA&P . So , i t helpe dm e ge t th e jo bhere . Q Wha t i s you r jo bnow ? AAviatio nSafet yInspector . Q And , ar e yo u locate da t th e Rapi d Cit yFSDO ? Yes , I a m

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MS . MARTINO : And , that' s a Fligh t

Standard s Distric t Office .

Q B YMS . MARTINO : I ' m sorry , yo u sai dyo u wer e a maintenanc e inspector ? AMaintenanc e Airworthines s Inspector . Q And , d o yo u hav e experienc e wit h Bel l helicopters ? AWell , I'v e worke do nth e Huey , th e 2 - - I believ e it' s th e civilia nversio ni s th e 205 , an dI'v e als o bee n- -

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : H-U-E
Y . TH E WITNESS : Wit hth e Agency , I ' v e bee ninvolve dwit hth e AIM S operator s sinc e 1998 .

H-U-E-Y . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Hue yi s

TH E WITNESS : Yes . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : didn' t wan t t o thro whi ma curv e ball .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 TH E WITNESS : Th e operator s tha t

I'v e managed , ha doversigh t over , i nth e pas t sinc e '9 8 hav e operate d206s , a variet yo f aircraft . And , I di datten dBel l 20 6 fiel d trainin g i nTexa s her e i n2008 , I believe .

So , I' mfamilia r wit hth e system s o nth e Bel l 206 .

B YMS . MARTINO : Q A Th e 206B ? Yes . Q Ar e yo u familia r wit hth e investigatio nint o Rushmor e Helicopters ' operation s o nAugus t 7t ho f 2009 ? AYes , I am . Gar yKwasniewsk i an d Barr yDunmir e firs t initiall ytoo k th e cal l a s a complaint . Q Ho wwer e you , actually , involved ? AWell , I a mth e principa l maintenanc e inspecto r fo r Rushmor e Helicopter s an dBlac k Hill s Aerial , fo r Mr . Jacob . So , the ywen t u p o na Friday , an dI wasn' t available , an dw e wen t u p o nth e followin g

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Tuesday , whic hwa s o nth e 11th , w e wen t u p t o

Keyston e an dw e wer e goin g t o spea k wit hth e pilot , Mr . Leffert , a t tha t time . W e go t u p ther e an dh e ha dlef t th e are a an dwen t --w e understood , h e wen t bac k t o Colorado .

So , w e visite dwit hShan e Esponoza , anothe r helicopte r pilo t there . H e wa s operatin g th e R44s , th e Robinsons . Q And , h e i s a Rushmor e Helicopter s pilot ? AYes , yes , h e is . And , w e wer e visitin g abou t it , an dh e - - w e wer e informe db yMr . Esponoz a tha t i f there' s an yoccurrence s o r anythin g tha t need s attention , h e sai dit' s compan y polic yt o cal l Mr . Jaco ban dle t hi m- - infor m him . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Coul d yo u spel l Esponoza ?

TH E WITNESS : Oh , I believ e it' s E-S-P-A-N-Z-0 .

MR . JACOB : E-S-P-0-N-O-Z-A , I

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 believe . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Pic k

whicheve r on e yo u like .

TH E WITNESS : I thin k it' s probabl yi nm ystatement , th e spellin g o f hi s name . B YMS . MARTINO : Q Di dyo u spea k wit hanyon e els e a t Rushmor e Helicopters ? ANo , no t a t Keystone . The nw e wen t up , w e lef t there , the nw e wen t u p an dvisite dwit hMik e abou t th e occurrence . Q And , di dyo u g o t o Custer ? AYes . Q T o spea k t o Mik e Jacob . AYes , w e did . Q Okay . And , wha t di dyo u tal k abou t wit hMr . Jaco bthen ? A Wha t w e aske dhi mabout , th e occurrenc e wit hfue l cap . And , firs t h e sai d h e wasn' t awar e o f it .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 But , th e aircraf t ha dflow na

numbe r o f flight s tha t day , an dtha t h e di d orde r a fue l cap , an di t wa s o norder . Q Okay . There' s a nallegatio ntha t th e aircraf t wa s unairworth yb yhavin g duc t tap e ove r th e fue l port . Coul dyo u briefl y explai nwha t i t mean s whe na naircraf t i s unairworthy ? AOkay . Yo u probabl yhear dthi s again , I' mjus t goin g t o g o ahea dan drepea t i t again . Fo r a naircraf t t o b e airworth yi t ha s t o mee t a typ e certificate , an dmus t b e saf e fo r flight . Q No w- - AAtyp e certificat e is , yo u know , th e aircraf t i s manufacture dan di t cam e ou t
o f th e factor ywith , obviously , i nthi s case , a fue l cap , s o tha t i s par t o f typ e desig nfo r th e typ e certificate .

Th e concern s I woul dhav e wit h tha t helicopter , regardles s o f ho wmuc hfue l i s i nth e tank , i s it' s stil l no t - - i t doe s

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 no t mee t typ e design . I t doe s no t mee t it s

typ e certificate , an di f ther e wa s an ytyp e o f
occurrence , shoul dth e helicopte r hav e gon e dow nfo r anyreason , tha t fue l ca p i s ther e fo r a purpose , t o preven t an yspillag e shoul d i t rol l o nit s side , caus e flam e o r damage . Q I wan t t o bac k up . Th e fue l ca p no t bein g o nth e aircraft , doe s tha t mee t th e airworthines s requiremen t tha t i t complie d wit h- - conforme dwit hth e tec hcertificate ? AI t no t bein g o nth e aircraft , i t i s no t airworthy . Q Okay . AI t doe s no t confor mt o it s typ e design . Q And , I hear dyo u sa ytha t there' s als o a safet ycomponen t t o a naircraf t bein g airworthy . Havin g th e duc t tap e ove r th e fue l port , wa s tha t a conditio nsaf e fo r fligh t makin g i t airworthy ? ATh e duc t tap e i s no t - - i s no t a n airworth ycondition .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Okay . Ca nyo u explai nwh yi t

woul db e unsaf e t o hav e duc t tap e rathe r tha n th e approve dfue l cap ? AWel l again , i f th e aircraf t ha d gon e dow nfo r an yreason , an di t ha dlande d o n it s side , o r whatever , no ww e hav e a chanc e o f th e fue l spillin g ou t an dpossibl ycausin g a fir e . Q I s ther e an yothe r reaso nwh yth e duc t tap e woul db e unsafe ? AWell , th e othe r thin g tha t I wa s thinkin g a t th e tim e is , i f thi s wa s th e onl y vente d- - th e ven t i nth e system , an di t wa s duc t tape dover , the npossibl yth e tank s coul d
co l lapse , an dwhe ntha t happen s the nther e woul db e fue l starvatio nan dthe nth e engin e woul dquit , and , o f course , th e aircraf t i s goin g t o b e force dt o land .

And , i nthi s case , i t wasn' t th e onl yven t i nth e system . Q D o yo u kno wi f Rushmor e Helicopter s wa s awar e o f tha t whe nthe yuse d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 duc t tap e ove r th e fue l port ?

AI don' t believ e the ywer e awar e o f that . Q I s ther e an yothe r reaso nwh yduc t tap e woul db e unsafe , wit hregard s t o th e fue l contaminatio n AThat' s a possibility , gettin g fue l contaminant s i nthere . Q And , ho wcoul dtha t b e a problem ? AWell , i f th e duc t tap e wa s - - o n landing , an di f i t wasn' t completel ysecure d up , I woul dsa ywit hth e roto r washe s tha t i s running , takin g u p al l th e dust , debris , i t coul dpossibl yge t - - fin dit s wa yint o th e fue l cell . Q Okay . Anothe r witnes s ha s testifie dtha t th e aircraf t wa s operatin g wit h mayb e a 1/ 4 o f a fue l tank . Doe s tha t hav e an yeffec t o nwhethe r o r no t thi s aircraf t wa s airworth ywhe ni t fle wwit hduc t tap e ove r th e fue l port ? AAgain , th e aircraf t stil l doe s no t

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 mee t typ e design . I t i s no t i ncomplianc e

wit hit s typ e certificate . Q Okay . MS . MARTINO : That' s al l I have . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Cros s examination ? CROS S EXAMINATIO N

B YMR . JACOB : Q Hi , Jim . AHi , Mike . Q You'v e indicate dyo u ar e th e principa l maintenanc e inspecto r fo r bot hBlac k Hill s Aeria l an dRushmor e Helicopters ? AYes . Q Durin g th e cours e o f tim e tha t you'v e bee nprincipa l inspector , hav e yo u ha d
a noccasio nt o inspec t th e facilit y maintenanc e records , an ds o o nan ds o forth ? AYes , I have . Q Conduc t an ysurveillanc e regardin g Rushmor e o r Blac k Hill s Aeria l Adventures ? AYes , w e have . A s a matte r o f

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 fact , ther e wa s a coupl e instances . Th e las t

tim e I wa s u p there , I wa s lookin g a t you r - - i t wa s on e o f th e R44 s o r th e Bel l 47 , I can' t recal l righ t now , bu t w e di dfin da bel t tha t ha dbee nwearing , I recal l that . So , th e nex t tim e w e g o u p ther e w e loo k t o fin dthings . Q Hav e yo u ever , durin g th e cours e o f inspectio no r surveillance , ha dcontac t wit heithe r Blac k Hill s Aeria l o r Rushmor e Helicopters , foun du s t o b e unwillin g t o cooperat e o r tr yt o compromis e safet yi nany way ? AI'v e worke dwit hyo u ove r th e las t thre e years , an dyou ' v e bee nver yhelpful , givin g m e whateve r informatio ntha t I ' v e requested . Q Hav e yo u notice dtha t w e intentionall ytr yt o cu t corner s o r penaliz e safet yi nou r operations ? ANo . Q Yo u sai dyou'v e bee nt o th e Bel l schoo l an dar e familia r wit hth e system s an d

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e aircraft ?

AWell , the ygiv e u s a genera l - - it' s a three-da ycours e ove r th e systems . Q A s fa r a s Ms . Martino , sh e ha s provide da photograp hther e o f th e Bel l 20 6 i n question , 226 8 Whiskey , th e fue l port , I thin k sh e ha da pictur e o f th e fue l port . Sh e asked , specifically , abou t th e ven t syste mo n th e aircraft .

Ar e yo u familia r wit hwhereve r th e externa l ven t o f th e fue l cel l i s locate do n th e aircraft ? AOh , thi s particula r on e I' mno t quit e sur e withou t lookin g a t th e system s again . It' s bee na whil e sinc e I looke da t it . But , fro m

wha t we'v e learne d o nit , I gues s th e fue l ca p i s no t a vente dfue l cap . There' s othe r - - there' s othe r vent s i nth e system , I' m

assumin g it' s dow nher e mayb e a vent , withou t lookin g a t th e manual . I nee d t o loo k a t th e manua l an dverif ythat . Q Th e questio ntha t sh e pose d

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 earlie r abou t u s possibl yno t knowin g i f thi s

wa s a close do r ope nsystem , i s ther e an y reaso ntha t w e woul dno t kno wtha t ther e i s a n externa l ven t wit hthi s system ? AWithou t lookin g a t th e manual , ho w woul dyo u know ? That' s wha t I woul d- - I' d hav e t o loo k a t th e manua l mysel f t o fin dou t if , yo u know , tha t wa s - - i f that' s - - wha t typ e o f syste myo u d o have . Q I don' t believ e he r photograp h show s a vent , I believ e th e ven t syste mo n thi s ha s a clearl ymarke dvent , whic hwoul db e locate dabov e th e fue l port . AAr e w e sayin g tha t thi s i s th e vent ? Q No , I believ e tha t i s a noverflow .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Fo r th e record , lookin g a t Exhibi t 2 , an di f yo u hol d i t vertically , yo u ca nse e th e duc t tape ,

Mr . Jacob , ther e appea r t o b e tw o accesse s insid e th e aircraft . I assum e tha t th e on e that ' s a t abou t 7:0 0 fro mth e fue l

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 por t i s a ground ? MR . JACOB : Tha t i s correct . You r Honor . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : And , th e on e that' s abou t 9:0 0 i s wha t yo u ar e describin g a s th e overflo wvent .

MR . JACOB : Tha t i s th e overflow . Thi s photograp hdoe s no t depic t th e ven t whic h i s locate ddirectl yabov e th e fue l port .

TH E WITNESS : So , it' s underneat h th e duc t tap e her e then ?

B YMR . JACOB : Q No , I hav e a diagra move r here . Thi s depict s th e fue l system , whic hindicate s tha t th e ven t i s here . Th e ven t i s locate d abov e th e fille r cap . ASo , it's , actually , underneat hth e

Q No , it' s u p here , o r it' s ou t o f th e photograp ho nthi s on e here . AOkay . Then , you r questio nwa s again , Mike ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q I s ther e jus t an yreaso ntha t w e

woul dno t b e familia r wit hth e fue l syste mo n th e aircraf t tha t w e operate , especially , wit h th e fue l - - thoug hth e ven t i s clearl ymarke d
o nth e sid e o f th e fuselage ? AOn e mor e time . Q I kno wI' mconfusin g th e issue . Th e poin t ha s bee nbrough t ou t tha t thi s possibl ycoul dhav e create da safet y hazar di f thi s ha dbee na closed , non-vente d system . AOkay , possibly , possibly , bu t i n thi s cas e i t wasn't . So , tha t wasn' t a n issue . Th e issu e is , th e duc t tap e i s no t par t o f th e typ e design , i t doe s no t mee t th e typ e certificate . I t i s no t airworthy . Q Understood . I nyou r opinion , i s th e fue l ca p a structura l componen t o f thi s aircraft ? ATh e aircraft , again , i s no t - - i s par t o f th e typ e design .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Okay . You r knowledg e o f th e fue l

syste mo f Bel l 206 , an dth e wa yth e fue l tan k i s locate dan dsituated , what , i nyou r opinion , woul db e th e likelihoo do f fue l bein g abl e t o splas hou t o f tha t port , i nth e even t tha t th e aircraf t wa s operated , a s wa s testified , with , approximately , a quarte r o f
a tan k o f fuel ? ALet' s say , fo r example , i f fo r an y reaso nther e wa s a nengin e flam e out , shu t down , o r a nemergency , an dh e ha dt o se t i t down , an dh e se t i t dow nan dth e aircraf t wa s t o rol l over , no wyou'v e go t tha t fue l comin g ou t o f thi s port . And , wit ha ho t engine , tha t fuel , specifically , wit ha ho t engine , i s

- - coul db e caus e fo r a fire . Q That' s understood . MR . JACOB : I hav e n o othe r question s fo r Mr . Ba dHorse .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : An y redirect ? MS . MARTINO : Th e Agenc yrests .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Sir ,

yo u ar e excused . Yo u ar e instructe dno t t o discus s you r testimon ywit hanybod yprio r t o th e conclusio no f th e hearing .

It' s u p t o Ms . Martin o whethe r yo u nee dt o remai no r yo u ca nb e excused .

MS . MARTINO : I woul das k tha t h e stay .

excused . ! Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Jacob , ar e yo u goin g t o offer , i nyou r cas e i n chief , tha t diagram , becaus e it' s marke dfo r identification , sinc e yo u referre dt o it . Technically , it' s par t o f th e administrativ e record , eve nthoug hit' s no t i nevidence .

MR . JACOB ; I onl yhav e on e cop y tha t I woul doffer .

MS . MARTINO : Th e Agenc ywil l hav e
n o objection . H e ca noffe r it .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Well , h e hasn' t offere dit . It' s jus t marke d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 fo r identification , that' s th e poin t I wa s

tryin g t o make .

MR . JACOB : And , You r Honor , I understan dtha t yo u woul dlik e m e t o mar k thi s a s a Rushmor e exhibit ?

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : No , I'l l mar k this , i f yo u ar e no t - - whe nyo u refe r t o something , generally , it ' s marke dfo r identification . Par t o f m yrol e i s t o mak e sur e tha t th e recor di s i ntact , an dthat , yo u know , thing s ar e referre dto .

Th e proble mis , i f thi s cas e get s appealed , i f somebod yjus t look s a t a dr y transcrip t an dthe nsay , well , wha t d o yo u thin k o f that , i t doesn' t tel l th e reade r o f th e transcrip t what' s goin g on , whic hi s wh y I wen t throug hth e exercis e wit hth e picture .

I ' mtryin g t o - - I kno wwha t yo u ar e saying , bu t somebod ysi xmonth s fro mno w wh o review s th e transcrip t wil l no t hav e a clu e wha t w e ar e talkin g about , eve nthoug hw e her e ca nvisuall yloo k a t a pictur e an dpoin t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 t o it . So , thin k - - m yobligatio ni s t o

mak e sur e th e recor di s i ntac t an dprotec t it , s o tha t whe nsomebod ypick s u p thi s picture , oh , no wI se e wha t the yar e talkin g about . A t 9:0 0 there' s a hole , a t 7:3 0 there' s a hole , oh , yo u know , that' s wher e i t is . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : W e ca n g o of f th e record , w e don' t nee dt o che wu p spac e waitin g fo r th e witness .

MS . MARTINO : Oh , I' msorry . ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Ar e yo u goin g t o cal l it ?

MS . MARTINO : Agenc ycall s Mr . Barr yDunmire .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODVJIN : Sir , rais e you r righ t hand .

Please , b e seated . Stat e you r firs t an dlas t name , an dthe nspel l you r firs t
an dlas t name , please .

MR . DUNMIRE : M yfirs t nam e i s

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M-I-R-E . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : G o ahead . WHEREUPON , BARR YDUNMIR E
wa s calle dfo r examinatio nb yCounse l fo r th e Agency , an dhavin g bee nfirs t dul ysworn , testifie da s follows :

DIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMS . MARTINO : Q Mr . Dunmire , ho war e yo u employed ? AI wor k fo r th e Federa l Aviatio n Administratio ni nRapi dCity , Sout hDakota . Q And , what' s you r positio nthere ? AI' mwhat' s calle da nAviatio n Safet yInspector . Q And , ar e yo u - - wha t kin do f aviatio nsafet yinspecto r ar e you ? AI' m

a nOp s inspector . Q And , yo u wer e involve dwit hth e investigatio nint o Rushmor e Helicopters '

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 fligh t o nAugus t 7t ho f 2009 ?

AYes , that' s correct . Q And , I understan dtha t yo u wen t
ou t t o th e Keystone , Sout hDakot a locatio n wit hInspecto r Kwasniewski . AYes , ma'am , that' s correct . Q Wha t di dyo u d o whe nyo u go t t o th e Custe r location , excus e me , th e Keyston e location ? ATh e Keyston e location , w e wen t i n t o th e are a wher e peopl e g o i nan dpa yth e bills , thing s lik e that , an dw e asked , yo u know , fo r th e pilot . And , the ysai d he' s ove r fueling . So , w e wen t ove r there .

H e me t u s abou t halfwa ythere , an d th e aircraf t wa s running , an dMr . Kwasniewsk i aske dhim , d o yo u hav e an ymaintenanc e issues , anythin g lik e that , anythin g wron g wit hth e aircraft . H e said , no , it' s fine .

Oh , okay , fine . So , w e jus t said , okay , fine .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 So , w e wen t bac k inside , an d the n

h e sai dh e ha s passenger s t o go , s o w e g o bac k inside , an d th e nex t thin g w e kno wpassenger s ar e o n board , he' s startin g t o tak e off . I coul dtel l ther e wa s mor e powe r goin g t o th e aircraf t b yth e noise , an d th e nex t thin g w e kno ww e lef t - - he' s read yt o lif t off , an d that' s whe nw e bot hnotice dthere' s duc t tap e o nth e fue l port . Q Whe nyo u initiall yspok e wit hhim , coul dyo u se e th e duc t tap e o n th e fue l port ? ANo , w e coul dnot . Q And , di d you , specifically , as k hi mwa s ther e duc t tap e o n th e fue l port ? ANo , w e di d not . Q And , di d - - Mr . Leffer t wa s th e pilot' s name ? A Yes , ma'am . Q Di d Mr . Leffer t tel l yo u tha t ther e wa s duc t tap e o n th e fue l por t o f th e aircraft ? A N o
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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 maintenanc e issue s a t thi s time . And , wha t wa s th e numbe r o f tha t aircraft ? AIt' s 226 8 Whiskey . Q Now , onc e yo u di dse e th e duc t tap e o nth e aircraft , wher e wer e yo u locate d then ? AW e wer e i nth e are a wher e peopl e pa yt o g o ge t th e ride s an dthing s lik e that . Q And , yo u sai dtha t whe nyo u sa wi t th e aircraf t wa s i nth e proces s o f - - ATakin g off . Q - - okay . And , i s ther e an ywa y yo u coul dhav e - - ANo . Q - - bee nabl e t o sto p th e aircraft ? ANo , there' s n o wa yw e coul dhav e stoppe dit , fo r persona l safety . W e ha dn o radi o o r anythin g lik e eithe r t o contac t th e pilot . Q Okay , than k you . MS . MARTINO : That' s al l I have .

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B YMR . JACOB : Q Hi , Barry . AHi , Mike , ho wyo u doing ? Q Good . Wer e yo u presen t durin g Mr . Kwasniewski' s testimony ? AYes , sir , I was . Q And , yo u hear dhi s descriptio n- - AYes . Q - - verbatim , a s t o wha t transpire d wit hMr . Leffert ? AYes , that' s correct . Q Woul dMr . Leffer t hav e ha dan y reaso nt o mak e up , i nyou r opinion , th e stor y tha t h e wa s allowe dt o continu e fligh t wit h passenger s o nboard ? AAl l I kno wis , w e aske dhim , d o yo u hav e an ymaintenanc e issues , an dh e sai d
no . Okay . W e tak e th e pilot' s wor dfo r it .

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Q And , you , specifically , wen t t o Keyston e o ntha t da ybecaus e yo u ha d receive d
a citizen' s complain t o f duc t tap e o na n aircraft ? AYes . I can' t sa yduc t tape , w e wer e tol dfue l cap , i s wha t w e wer e told , aircraf t flyin g around , helicopte r specifically . Q And , th e complaint , di dthe y specif ywhic haircraf t the ywer e concerne d with ? AThe ysai da re dhelicopter , i s al l the ysaid . Q Mr . Leffer t wa s operatin g a re d helicopter ? AYes , h e was . Q And , yo u ha dth e opportunity , however , whe nyo u spok e wit hMr . Leffert , t o g o ou t an dinspec t th e aircraft ? ATh e blade s wer e goin g aroun do n th e to p o f it , h e wa s nex t t o th e fue l port ,

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 an dh e looke dlik e h e wa s i na hurry . An d

again , w e aske di f h e ha dan ymaintenanc e issues . H e said , no . Okay , we'l l tak e you r wor dfo r i t an dg o on . Q But , h e di dapproac hyou , an dyo u di dhav e a nopportunit yt o hav e a conversatio n wit hhim , howeve r brief ? A3 0 seconds , a minute , tha t wa s it . Q Okay . ALik e I said , Mike , h e looke dlik e h e wa s i na hurry . H e said , I ' v e go t passengers . I said , okay . Q Yo u als o ar e a noperation s inspecto r involve dwit hBlac k Hill s Aeria l Adventure s an dCraz yHorse ? AI wor k wit hyou r operatio nou t o f Cactu s Flats . Q Okay . Hav e w e eve r denie daccess ? No . Q Or , trie dt o ente r an y investigation s o r surveillance , o r attempte d t o cove r anythin g up ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ANo , no t tha t I'v e seen . MR . JACOB : I gues s I hav e n o furthe r questions .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODV^IN : An y redirect ? MS . MARTINO : No , You r Honor .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Yo u ma y ste p down . Yo u ca nremai ni nth e courtroom . Don' t discus s you r testimon ywit hanybod y prio r t o th e conclusio no f th e hearing .

(The witnes s wa s excused. ) MS . MARTINO : You r Honor , a t thi s tim e th e Agenc yha s n o furthe r witnesses .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Mr . Jacob , ho wlon g d o yo u thin k you'l l tak e wit hyou r case ?

MR . JACOB : I believ e i f I ca n jus t mak e a quic k statemen t fo r th e record , w e ca ncomplet e this .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : D o yo u wan t t o d o i t unde r oath , o r - -

MR . JACOB : Tha t woul db e fine .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay .

Wh ydon' t you , jus t t o b e consistent , wh y don' t yo u com e forward .

Please , b e seated , an dstat e you r nam e fo r th e record , an dspel l you r firs t an d las t name . MR . JACOB : M ynam e i s Michae l Jacob , J-A-C-0-B . I a mPresiden t an dOwne r o f Rushmor e Helicopters , Blac k Hill s Aeria l Adventures , an dBadge r Helicopters .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Now , it' s a nadministrativ e hearing . It' s a forma l administrativ e hearing , bu t I'l l giv e yo u som e latitud e t o sa ywhateve r yo u wan t t o say , wit hth e understandin g tha t Ms . Martin o hav e an yopportunit yt o cros s examine .

MR . JACOB : Yes , sir . ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : G o ahead . WHEREUPON , wa s calle dfo r examinatio nb yCounse l fo r th e Agency , an dhavin g bee nfirs t dul ysworn ,

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 testifie da s follows : DIREC T EXAMINATIO N TH E WITNESS : Regardin g th e inciden t o f Augus t 6t han d7th , I d o no t den y tha t th e aircraf t wa s operate dwit hduc t tap e place dove r th e fue l por t whe nth e ga s ca p wa s lost . O nth e mornin g o f Augus t th e 7th , I di dhav e a telephon e conversatio nwit hBel l Helicopters . I spok e wit ha desig nenginee r b yth e nam e o f Danie l Bias . I discusse d wha t ha dtranspired , an dI aske dhi s opinio n regardin g th e operatio no f th e aircraf t withou t a fue l cap .

A t tha t time , I wa s advise dtha t i t wa s no t a structura l component , th e syste m wa s a vente dsystem . Th e fue l ca p wa s i n plac e t o preven t contaminants , an dt o preven t spillag e i nth e even t o f a dynami c rollover .

Hi s opinio na t tha t tim e expresse d t o m e wa s tha t i t di dno t constitut e a safet y o f fligh t issue , an dtha t h e woul dforwar dm e

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a t thi s time , You r Honor .

Martino ? ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN :

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B YMS . MARTINO : Q Mr . Jacob , d o yo u admi t tha t Rushmor e Helicopter s operate dth e aircraft ? AI admi t tha t Le e Leffer t operate d th e aircraft . Q D o yo u hav e th e lette r tha t wa s sen t b ya Danie l Bias , h e tol dyo u h e woul d
sen dyou ? ANo . I nsubsequen t conversatio n wit hhi mafte r thi s even t occurred , h e tol dm e tha t i ndiscussin g wit hhi s supervisor s the y woul dno t allo whi mt o provid e an ywritte n documentation , becaus e i t coul destablis ha lega l precedent .

MS . MARTINO : Nothin g further , You r Honor .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Anythin g furthe r i nthi s case ? Sir , Mr . Jacob , it ' s u p t o you , di dyo u wan t t o introduc e tha t diagra m o r not ? It' s solel yu p t o you . I' mno t tryin g t o tel l yo u on e wa yo r th e other .

MR . JACOB : I f yo u fee l i t i s vita l fo r th e record , I woul db e happ yt o introduc e it . I hav e n o reaso nt o - -

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Wha t I'l l d o is , yo u know , Ms . Martino , yo u indicate dth e Agenc ywoul dhav e n o objection , al l right , wh ydon' t yo u - - yo u ar e excused , obviously , yo u ca nsta ya s lon g a s yo u want . I'l l mar k i t a s Respondent' s 1 fo r identification . Well , actually , cal l i t A .

{Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Respondent' s Exhibi t A. ) ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Respondent' s Afo r identificatio ni s receive d int o evidenc e a s Respondent' s A .

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identificatio na s Responden t Exhibi t A , wa s receive di n evidence. ) ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Anythin g furthe r i nthi s case , Ms . Martino ?

MS . MARTINO : I f You r Hono r woul d allo wu s t o mak e a brie f closin g argument ?

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Yes . Wha t I' dlik e yo u t o d o is , I' dlik e yo u t o brie f th e issue . Th e wa yth e cour t see s th e evidenc e righ t now , intent , an dwhethe r i t i s deliberat e o r not , hasn ' t com e int o th e deliberations , s o th e cour t it' s a regulator yviolation . Eithe r there' s a violatio no r ther e isn't .

I' dlik e t o se e som e briefin g o n th e issu e o f whethe r - - o nwhethe r thi s i s - - th e aircraf t was , i nfact , unairworthy . I'v e go t testimony , al l o f which , fro m bot hsides , i s hearsay .

Now , I ' mgoin g t o loo k a t th e

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a 50-pag e brief .

Mr . Jacob , wha t I' dlik e t o d o i s ge t som e - - brie f mean s tha t Ms . Martin o wil l fil e a brie f outlinin g he r positio no nth e case , cit e som e law . I ' 1 1 giv e yo u th e opportunit yt o respond .

What' s you r schedul e like , Ms . Martino ? I' mno t goin g t o mak e yo u d o i t i n th e nex t coupl e weeks , s o don' t worr yabou t it . MS . MARTINO : I woul dthin k 3 0 day s i s sufficient .

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : D o yo u wan t t o ge t i t don e befor e o r afte r Memoria l Day ? MS , MARTINO : Mayb e th e Frida y afte r Memoria l Day .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Well , ar e yo u sure , becaus e tha t mean s - - th e longe r it s lif e goes , tha t mean s yo u ar e goin g t o

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Spen dMemoria l Da yworkin g o nth e brief . MS . MARTINO : I thin k yo u ar e callin g m e a procrastinator .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : No , wha t I' msayin g is , I wa s i nprivat e practic e 2 0 years . MS . MARTINO : Okay . Mayb e - -

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MS . MARTINO : Tw o week s afte r Memoria l Da ywoul db e fantastic .

ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Let' s d o this . MS . MARTINO : Judge , wil l w e hav e th e cop yo f th e transcrip t a t tha t time ?

ADMIN . LA WJUDG E GOODWIN : Ye s . Let' s d o this . Th e transcrip t wil l probabl y b e availabl e tw o t o thre e weeks . Now , th e transcrip t goe s t o Washington , the nget s maile dt o you r office .

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yo u t o fil e you r brief , an dMr . Jaco bt o fil e hi s response .

Normally , yo u woul dfil e a brief , I ' dgiv e Mr . Jaco btw o week s afte r tha t t o respond , an dthe ni f yo u d o rebutta l you'1 1 hav e a wee k t o d o a rebuttal .

Now , anythin g tha t yo u an dMr . Jaco bca nagre e on , sen dm e a norder , I'l l sig nit . And , wha t I'l l d o i s hav e Mr . Lebowit z follo wu p wit hyo u i f w e haven' t hear dfro m

yo u by , let' s say , th e Frida yafte r Memoria l Day .

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So , i f w e haven' t hear dfro myou , I jus t di dthi s i nanothe r case , i t turn s ou t th e partie s ha dalread yagree do na briefin g schedule .

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MS . MARTINO : Fine . ADMIN . LAW JUDG E GOODWI N Anythin g furthe r i nthi s case ?

MS . MARTINO : No . MR . JACOB : No , ADMIN . LAWJUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . The nw e ar e al l excuse , we ' 1 1 g o of f th e record . (Whereupon , th e above-entitle d matte r wa s conclude da t 11:1 9 a.m. )

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