Record of Telecon

Subject: Bay Sy s Technologies, LLC, petition for exemption for the carriage of 19 persons on the upper deck of a Boeing 747

- 400F with inflight access into the main deck Class E cargo compartment by a maximum of 15 persons. Attendees: Ni ck Olmsted BayS ys Technologies

Robert Roy

tas BayS ys Technologies Steve Walton BayS ys Technologies Jay son Claar FAA Cabin Safety ANM

- 115 Ian Won FAA ANM

- 115 Acting Manager Steve Happenn y FAA ANM

- 112 Smoke detection and penetration Date: Augu st 29, 2012 Docket Number: FAA

- 2012

- 0361 References: 1) Bay Sy s Technologies petition for exemption dated April 26, 2012

2 ) FAA letter to Nick Olmsted, Bay Sy s Technologies dated May 17, 2012 3 ) FAA letter to Nick Olmsted, Bay Sy s Technologies dated July 10, 2012
BayS ys Technologies has petition for exemption , reference 1), that if granted would allow the carriage of 19 persons including flight crew on the upper deck of a Boeing 747

- 400F, and would allow inflight access to the main deck Class E cargo compartment by a maximum of 15 persons when the operations is associated with the carriage of live animals on the main deck that required care and inspection during flight. The upper deck of the Boeing 747

- 400F airplane is limited by the exit confirmation to maximum of 8 persons due to the size of the overhead hatch on the left side of the airplane. Bay Sy s Technologies is proposing to use another exit located on the main deck of the airplane which is within the Class E cargo compartment for additional evacuation capability for the left side of the airplane. The FAA has raised concerns with project and requested additional information with the reference letter 2) and 3). Bay Sy s Technologies has responded to these letters by providing additional information and proposed test s for developing data to support the petition for exemption. This telecom was requested by the FAA to discuss the proposed evacuation demonstration of the 19 persons from the upper deck of the airplane, down the stairway to the main deck and out the main deck emergency exit under heavy

smoke conditions. The FAA is concern ed for the safet y of the test subject to used in this demonstration considering the heav y smoke and the proposed evacuation route. Also, the FAA is concerned with the le vel of experience the Bay Sy s Technologies has for conducting this ty pe of test in the aircraft environment.
BayS ys Technologies has proposed three typ es of operations for the subject airplane. One ty pe of operation is associated with the carriage of live animals on the main deck that required care and inspection during flight with 19 persons on the upper deck andinflight access to the Class E cargo compartment is requested for 15 persons. The other

two ty pes of operations did not request inflight access to the Class E cargo compartment and have a maximum of 8 and 19 persons respectfully on the upper deck. The FAA questioned the need for the operation with the 19 persons with cargo on the main deck. Bay Sy s Technologies identified that this is customer request and the believe this was requested to cover a flight either before or after the transport of the live animals to return the airplane and supernumeraries either to the home base or to transport l ive animals on the next flight. The FAA made a propo sal that if we could allow that first additional ty

pe of operation with no cargo except for what is needed to transport the live animals ; eliminate the second (19 persons on upper deck for general cargo); and maintain the third all other operations of the airplane be limited to a maximum of 8 persons on the upper deck with no inflight access to the Class E cargo compartment the FAA would not require the evacuation demonstration of the 19 persons from the upper deck of the airplane, down the stairway to the main deck and out the main deck emergency exit under heav y smoke conditions. This is based on the limitation of live animals and associated cargo onl y. Also, the associated cargo is additional limited to no HAZMAT, no ignition sources and lithium batteri es are permitted on the main deck cargo compartment during the first ty

pe of operation

. BayS ys Technologies took the action item to contact the owner/operator of the airplane to determine if this limitation would be acceptable and to respond in writing wi th a revision to the proposed operations listed in their petition for exemption . All parties involved agree that this was a very good proposal.