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OPEN HEARING TO CONSIDER THE NOMINATION 

OF DAVID J. GLAWE FOR UNDER 

SECRETARY FOR INTELLIGENCE AND ANALYSIS, 

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 

HEARING 

BEFORE THE

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

OF THE

UNITED STATES SENATE 

ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS 

FIRST SESSION 

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 28, 2017 

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

[Established by S. Res. 400, 94th Cong., 2d Sess.] 

RICHARD BURR, North Carolina, Chairman 

MARK R. WARNER, Virginia, Vice Chairman 

JAMES E. RISCH, Idaho 

MARCO RUBIO, Florida 

SUSAN COLLINS, Maine 

ROY BLUNT, Missouri 

JAMES LANKFORD, Oklahoma 

TOM COTTON, Arkansas 

JOHN CORNYN, Texas 

DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California 

RON WYDEN, Oregon 

MARTIN HEINRICH, New Mexico 

ANGUS KING, Maine 

JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia 

KAMALA HARRIS, California 

MITCH MCCONNELL, Kentucky, Ex Officio 

CHUCK SCHUMER, New York, Ex Officio 

JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona, Ex Officio 

JACK REED, Rhode Island, Ex Officio 

CHRIS JOYNER, Staff Director 

MICHAEL CASEY, Minority Staff Director 

KELSEY STROUD BAILEY, Chief Clerk 

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CONTENTS 

JUNE 28, 2017 

OPENING STATEMENTS 

Burr, Hon. Richard, Chairman, U.S. Senator from North Carolina .................... 1 

Warner, Hon. Mark R., Vice Chairman, U.S. Senator from Virginia .................. 2 

WITNESSES 

Hon. Chuck Grassley, U.S. Senator from Iowa ..................................................... 3 

David J. Glawe, Nominee for Under Secretary for Intelligence and Analysis, 

Department of Homeland Security ..................................................................... 4 

Prepared Statement ......................................................................................... 7 

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL 

Questionnaire for Completion by Presidential Nominees .................................... 22 

Prehearing Questions and Responses .................................................................... 34 

Questions for the Record ......................................................................................... 60 

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OPEN HEARING TO CONSIDER THE 

NOMINATION OF DAVID J. GLAWE 

FOR UNDER SECRETARY 

FOR INTELLIGENCE AND ANALYSIS, 

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 28, 2017 

U.S. SENATE, SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, Washington, DC. 

The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 8:35 a.m. in Room 

SH–216, Hart Senate Office Building, Hon. Richard Burr (Chairman of the Committee) presiding. 

Committee Members Present: Senators Burr (presiding), Warner, 

Cornyn, Manchin, and Harris. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD BURR, CHAIRMAN, 

U.S. SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA 

Chairman BURR. I’d like to call the hearing to order. 

I’d like to welcome our witness today, David Glawe, President 

Trump’s nominee to be the next Under Secretary for Intelligence 

and Analysis of the Department of Homeland Security. David, congratulations on your nomination. 

I’d also like to take a moment to recognize the sizable family contingent you have behind you today, and thank your husband Perry 

for his unwavering support. I think it’s also important to pay tribute and thanks—thank your family for its honorable government 

service. Perry’s a Supervisory Special Agent at the FBI. Your father Jim Glawe served in the Korean War. Your brother-in-law 

Gerardo Salinas served in Desert Storm and your sister Dr. Jane 

Glawe works at the V.A. I thank all of you for your service to your 

country and your dedication and selfless service. 

Our goal in conducting this hearing is to enable the Committee 

to consider Mr. Glawe’s qualifications and to allow for a thoughtful 

deliberation by our members. He’s already provided substantive 

written responses to more than 80 questions presented by the Committee and its members. Today, of course, members will be able to 

ask additional questions of the nominee. David, let me just warn 

you: When you see nobody beside Mark and I, this is a good thing 

for a nominee. 

[Laughter.] 

David comes to us with more than 24 years of national security 

and law enforcement experience. He began his career as a Houston 

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al Inspection Service and as a Special Agent with the FBI. In 2012, 

Mr. Glawe was named the Deputy National Intelligence Manager 

for Threat and Finance and Transnational Organized Crime, before 

serving as the Chief Intelligence Officer for the United States Customs and Border Protection Office of Intelligence. 

Mr. Glawe is currently supporting the National Security Council 

as a Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for 

Homeland Security. 

David, you’ve been asked to lead the Department of Homeland 

Security’s Intelligence and Analysis component at a time when we 

are facing complex, evolving, and continuous threats to the homeland. The intelligence community is tracing threats from State and 

non-State actors to our cyber and critical infrastructure, and we 

continue to debate the scope and scale of our U.S. intelligence collection and legal authorities. I expect you will be a forceful advocate for the intelligence community in those discussions, while 

maintaining a steadfast respect for the rule of law. 

As I mentioned to prior nominees before this Committee, I can 

assure you that the Senate Intelligence Committee will continue to 

faithfully follow its charter and conduct vigorous and real-time 

oversight over every intelligence community entity, its operations, 

and its activities. We’ll ask difficult and probing questions of you 

and your staff, and we expect honest, complete, and timely responses. 

Your law enforcement and intelligence experience prepare you 

well to support DHS and I’m hopeful that you will look at the Department with a fresh set of eyes and a new perspective as you 

chart its course moving forward. I look forward to supporting your 

nomination and ensuring consideration without delay. I want to 

thank you again for being here, for your years of service to your 

country, and I look forward to your testimony. 

I now recognize the Vice Chairman for any comments he might 

have. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MARK R. WARNER, U.S. 

SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Welcome, Mr. Glawe. And let me say I think this is the earliest 

Intelligence Committee meeting I’ve ever attended, and it shows 

my commitment to your appearance and the questions I have for 

you that—because, unlike the Chairman who only lives close, I actually live back in my home State of Virginia, and when I was— 

I can assure you, when I was governor there was a lot less traffic. 

So, congratulations on your nomination as the Head of the Office 

of Intelligence and Analysis. This position sits at a critical juncture 

between the analytic work of the intelligence community and the 

information-sharing role of the Department of Homeland Security. 

If confirmed, your job will be to ensure that the critical pieces of 

information are delivered immediately throughout the Department, 

as well as to your partners at Federal, State, local, and tribal department and agencies that need it. 

I believe that you have an understanding of this need, given your 

background in law enforcement and the intelligence community. I 

also appreciate the support you have received from my friend, 

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former ODNI Jim Clapper, and from law enforcement organizations representing the Nation’s chiefs of police, county sheriff’s and 

narcotics officers. 

But let’s be clear. DHS INA requires a strong leader. While the 

organization’s mission is defined, it continues to evolve and mature 

since the creation of DHS over a decade ago. I remain concerned 

about the level of sharing with law enforcement, the large contractor workforce, and the whole fusion center concept. We have a 

fusion center in Virginia. Conceptually it makes sense. I’m not sure 

it’s been implemented in the right way and would love to again 

have your fresh set of eyes look at this. 

The truth is this job has never been easy and it’s not going to 

be easy now going forward. If you are confirmed, I will also expect 

your full cooperation with this Committee’s bipartisan investigation 

into Russia’s cyber attacks and interference in our 2016 presidential election and the concerns about future meddling with our 

election and voting systems. 

I’ve asked DHS to share with this Committee, even if we cannot 

reveal them publicly, the names of the 21 states that the Department testified last week were attacked by Russian hackers. I’ve 

written to, and spoken with, Secretary Kelly about this matter and, 

as the oversight Committee for all intelligence issues, this Committee is entitled to have that information. 

I want to thank the Chairman because this week the Chairman 

and I sent a letter to all relevant State election officials asking that 

this information be made public. As I said last week, I don’t see 

how Americans are made safer when they do not know which State 

election systems the Russians potentially attacked. And I particularly feel this way since my home State of Virginia has major State 

elections this year. 

Again, thank you for appearing before the Committee and I look 

forward to your testimony. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you, Vice Chairman. I can attest to the 

fact this is the earliest he has ever been here. 

[Laughter.] 

I’d like to now recognize the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary 

Committee to introduce our nominee, Senator Chuck Grassley. Senator Grassley, the floor is yours. 

STATEMENT OF HON. CHUCK GRASSLEY, U.S. SENATOR FROM 

IOWA 

Senator GRASSLEY. Thank you, Senator Burr and Ranking Member Warner. 

Before I read a three or four minute statement, I’d like to say 

that I’m proud to be here to introduce to the Committee a person 

whose family and he has deep roots in Iowa, and glad to be here. 

I think if I could probably give one sentence, which would repeat 

something you said as you talked about him, because I’ll be repetitive of some of the things you said, but you talked about his honorable service within government and his public service, well-qualified to take this position. 

So I would emphasize that as I say that I’m proud to recognize 

David Glawe as the nominee for Under Secretary for Intelligence 

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and Analysis at DHS. He is a dedicated public servant with over 

20 years of national security and law enforcement experience. He 

currently serves on the National Security Council as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Homeland Security. 

Prior to this, the nominee served as Chief Intelligence Officer for 

the U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Mr. Glawe is a former police officer and Federal agent with both the U.S. Postal Inspection 

Service and the FBI. In 2007 he served in Iraq and Africa on a 

joint FBI deployment with the Department of Defense. Following 

this tour, he was a senior adviser at the National Counterterrorism 

Center. 

In 2012, the nominee was named Deputy National Intelligence 

Manager for Threat, Finance, and Transnational Organized Crime, 

where he oversaw and integrated the intelligence community’s data 

collections and analysis. In 2014, he began serving as National Security Council—on that Council, as a senior intelligence official, responsible for implementing the President’s strategy on 

transnational organized crime. In 2015, Mr. Glawe was awarded 

the National Intelligence Superior Service Medal for his extraordinary contribution to the U.S. intelligence community and our Nation’s security. 

The nominee is an Iowa native, as I’ve said, still has family in 

Iowa. He’s a graduate of my alma mater, the University of Northern Iowa, and also a graduate of Harvard University’s JFK School 

of Government. He got started in law enforcement and advanced 

his impressive career with characteristically outstanding Iowa 

work ethic. 

He shared with me how much these roots mean to him and I appreciate his commitment to putting them to work in this new position for our Nation, as he has several positions in the past. Mr. 

Glawe’s mother, Nancy, is someone who I’ve crossed paths with for 

a long time in Iowa as well, I’m proud to say. And I know she’s 

glad to be here with the rest of her family and his friends today 

to celebrate with him and to support him through this process. 

Thank you for holding this hearing and I urge you to support his 

nomination to fill this very important post. Thank you. 

Chairman BURR. Chairman Grassley, thank you for that very 

thorough introduction. 

And before, David, I ask you to stand and be sworn in, I want 

to recognize your mother, Nancy. I didn’t recognize her earlier 

when I recognized your dad. Also, I want to recognize Wyatt, even 

though he left the room, and your daughter Alexis, who is just an 

absolute doll. 

If you will, raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear to tell 

the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 

God? 

Mr. GLAWE. Yes, I do. 

TESTIMONY OF DAVID J. GLAWE, NOMINATED TO BE UNDER 

SECRETARY FOR INTELLIGENCE AND ANALYSIS, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 

Chairman BURR. Please be seated. David, you’re now sworn in 

and before we move to your statement I’d like to ask you five 

standard questions that the Committee poses to each nominee who 

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appears before us. They just require a simple yes or no answer, for 

the record. 

Do you agree to appear before the Committee here or in other 

venues when invited? 

Mr. GLAWE. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. If confirmed, do you agree to send officials from 

your office to appear before the Committee and designated staff, 

when invited? 

Mr. GLAWE. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to provide documents or any other 

material requested by the Committee in order for us to carry out 

its—our oversight and legislative responsibilities? 

Mr. GLAWE. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. Will you both ensure that your office and your 

staff provide such materials to the Committee when requested? 

Mr. GLAWE. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to inform and fully brief to the 

fullest extent possible all members of the Committee of relevant intelligence activities, rather than only the Chair and the Vice Chairman? 

Mr. GLAWE. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you very much. We’ll now proceed, 

David, to your opening statement. The floor is yours. 

Mr. GLAWE. Thank you, Senator. 

Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman Warner, members of the Committee: Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today 

as the President’s nominee for Under Secretary for Intelligence and 

Analysis at the Department of Homeland Security. I’m honored to 

have been nominated by President Trump and I’m humbled to receive the support by Secretary Kelly, Deputy Secretary Duke, and 

Director of National Intelligence Coats. 

Before we begin, I’d like to thank Senator Grassley. Born and 

raised in the State of Iowa, I’ve learned at an early age about the 

importance of civic duty and serving your community. I’ve never 

dreamed that one day I would have the opportunity to meet and 

get to know an Iowa legend, a true Iowa legend. Thank you. 

I want to thank again Senator Grassley for the heartfelt introduction and nearly 60 years of service to the country and the people of Iowa. 

Next, I’d like to take a moment to recognize my family. I’m grateful for their support and sacrifice that allowed me this opportunity. 

With us today are the bedrocks of my life, my 20-year partner and 

husband, Perry Goerish, an FBI Supervisory Special Agent at the 

Washington Field Office, and our two wonderful children, Alexis 

and Wyatt. I think Wyatt had to leave here. Also here is my father, 

Jim Glawe, who’s an Army veteran drafted for the Korean War; my 

mother, Nancy Glawe, a retired kindergarten teacher, both from 

Davenport, Iowa; my sister, Dr. Jane Glawe, who works for Veterans Affairs Medical Center; and her husband, Gerardo Salinas, 

a Desert Storm veteran and also worked for the Veterans Affair in 

the Davenport office; my mother-in-law Beverly Goerish, a lifelong 

volunteer in her community in Kiester, Minnesota. 

And I want to recognize my deceased father-in-law Roger Goerish 

who retired as a high school teacher and athletic coach, who is here 

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with us in spirit. I would also like to thank my family and 

friends—or my friends and coworkers who have supported me 

throughout my life. I would not have this opportunity without 

them. 

The mission statement of DHS is clear and direct. With honor 

and integrity, we will safeguard the American people, our homeland, and our values. DHS faces a complex and evolving threat environment and must work across the Federal Government in concert with our State, local, tribal, territorial, and private sector partners. 

I have over 24 years in law enforcement and intelligence experience, and if confirmed, I will apply those knowledge and lessons 

learned to drive intelligence and operational integration and share 

information, deliver unique analysis, and identify vulnerabilities, 

position resources, and ultimately mitigate threats. 

I&A has one of the broadest customer bases in the intelligence 

community. In meeting the varied demands of the challenge, if confirmed, I intend to focus I&A’s analytic capacity on areas where 

they are positioned to add value, areas like trade, travel, cyber, 

borders, marine, and aviation security. 

I&A’s greatest strength, without question, is its people. If confirmed, it will be my honor to lead the Homeland Intelligence professionals at I&A as we endeavor to implement Secretary Kelly’s 

vision by meeting the needs of the primary customers, integrating 

intelligence and operations, and making I&A a diverse, mission-focused and productive environment for the workforce. 

In closing, I’d like to take a moment to recognize the important 

role Congress plays in the success of I&A. If confirmed, I pledge to 

enable the Committee to fill that role by keeping you fully informed 

and transparent on I&A’s activities and developments. 

Mr. Chairman, I will stop there and submit the remainder of my 

comments for the record. Thank you again for the opportunity to 

appear before you today, and I look forward answering questions. 

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Chairman BURR. David, thank you very much. And once again, 

I thank all of your family members for their tremendous service to 

the country and, more importantly, to the security of this country. 

With that, I’m going to turn to the Vice Chairman to start with 

questions. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Mr. Glawe, let me also recognize your 

family, very impressive. And I know they’ve got to be all very, very 

proud of you. 

I want to start with a couple questions in relation to our hearing 

last week and just kind of get your sense on this. I want to make— 

in addition to the questions the Chairman asked, will you commit 

as well to working with this Committee as we go forward on our 

ongoing Russian investigation, making sure that we get as much 

access as possible, making yourself available, necessary materials, 

intelligence reports, cables, products and other materials, and 

make sure those are, if requested, are provided to this Committee 

as quickly as possible? 

Mr. GLAWE. Absolutely. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Mr. Glawe, one of things that came 

away last week was a real concern—and again, while not directly 

related, I’d just like to your view. We had representatives from 

DHS here. They had indicated 21 states had been subject to at 

least some level of Russian incursion. But it became evident 

through the testimony that in many cases the only contact that 

was made with those states may not have even been to the top 

election official, the Secretary of State or other election official. It 

might have just been to the vendor who might’ve been having the 

voter registration role. 

I think the Chairman and I both feel that we are not made safer 

by keeping that information private. We understand that DHS 

views the states have a collaborative relationship with the states 

and want to maintain that collaborative relationship, but they 

have, in effect, viewed the states as victims, and consequently almost feel like it’s the obligation of the State to come forward. 

But we had the top election officials from Indiana and from Wisconsin here. Neither one of them knew whether their states had 

been attacked. We had the Illinois State election official here who 

had clearly indicated he was the victim of an attack, but until the 

testimony, the previous testimony of DHS, had not realized, had 

never been told by DHS that it was actually Russia who was behind the attack into the Illinois system. 

What I’d like you to do is just commit to work with us as we try 

to sort through this, recognizing that there’s no effort here to relitigate 2016 or to embarrass any State, but we’ve got to make sure 

that the states that were the subject of attacks are prepared, so 

that that information can filter down to local election officials so 

that they can all take the necessary precautions. 

Do you want to comment on that? Any thoughts you might have 

on how we might be able to address this problem? 

Mr. GLAWE. Sure. Senator, thank you for the question and I appreciate the opportunity to discuss that. I did watch most of the 

testimony last week as well. I share your concerns regarding the 

states and the Russian intrusion into the State election systems. 

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And I also understand the challenges with sharing that information regarding the individual states’ vulnerabilities. 

I am committed to work with you and to be completely transparent with that. And I understand the need to understand who’s 

been hacked or that the intrusion occurred and the unique 

vulnerabilities to each State, which may be different, and working 

through those challenges. 

And I concur with you completely. The solutions aren’t going to 

be easy and the problem is increasing. And I fully commit, if confirmed, to work with you, sir. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. And I would hope that you would be 

willing to share with us, even if it’s on a confidential basis, this 

Committee, so that we can, you know, again figure out a way to 

sort through to make sure that we’re better prepared. 

Mr. GLAWE. Absolutely, Senator. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. All right. I’m going to hold you to that, 

because I look forward to working with you. 

I’m down to the last minute. Let me just ask you this. One of 

the things, as I mentioned in my opening statement, the concept 

of the fusion center makes a great deal of sense. I do wonder at 

times if there’s not duplication and just wonder whether you 

have—you know, we’re many years in now to this concept. Is it 

working the right way? And since you’re at the nub of this kind of 

intelligence and analysis, what would you do to improve this concept? Or do you feel like it’s working? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, again thank you for the question. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about that. I was actually on the Joint 

Terrorism Task Force in Richmond, where one of the first fusions 

centers was stood up in Virginia. So I’m very familiar with it and 

the challenges. And coming from the State and local perspective, I 

also have a unique posture of I understand what the needs are of 

the State, State municipalities, as well. 

If confirmed, I think I’ll need an opportunity to wrap my arms 

around a little bit better on the business structure they have. Each 

State operates differently, and that’s been a challenge. I’m committed to work with the Committee and yourself on those challenges and to have a thorough assessment. 

What I can say is when meeting with numerous of the organizations that graciously supported me and the chiefs and the State 

law enforcement, we see the need for it. We need a method to share 

information. I think without question there can be improvements 

in that. And I know Under Secretary Taylor, my predecessor if confirmed, was working in that direction and I’m obligated—I’m obligated and I’m committed to do that as well. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Yes, I don’t have a—I don’t have a set 

of recommendations. I do think the whole concept, though, needs 

a fresh look. And I look forward to working with you on that. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Cornyn. 

Senator CORNYN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Congratulations Mr. Glawe. And anything’s—Chairman Grassley, anyone he supports usually guarantees my support. So I look 

forward to your service, continued service to the country. 

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I do have just a broad question about cybersecurity. During the 

debates we in Congress have had about cybersecurity, we’ve been 

unable to overcome the silos that Congress itself has built when it 

comes to jurisdiction over this issue. And the concerns we’ve had 

about the organization of the Department of Homeland Security 

since 9/11, and the challenges it’s had just culturally dealing with 

so many different disparate agencies now under the umbrella of 

DHS. 

But I’d be interested in your views about the shortcomings and 

maybe the opportunities that we have to deal with the cyber threat 

because it seems to me like we are doing a poor job as an all-ofgovernment approach. 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you for the question. And also thank 

you, thank you for meeting with me privately and going over some 

these issues. I think it’s a tremendous opportunity in the Department to have an integrated business enterprise towards this. The 

illicit pathways of the cyber threat know no boundaries and know 

no borders. Transnational criminal organizations, terrorist organizations, foreign intelligence organizations, and non-State actors 

threaten our cyber and threaten the critical infrastructure. 

I have had some initial briefings on our cyber posture within 

DHS. If confirmed, I would need to unpack that business process 

we have in place. But what I can commit, Senator, if confirmed, is 

I will bring a sense of urgency, because that’s the whole world I 

came from. I’ve served the public, I’ve served the community, with 

a sense where you didn’t go home at the end of the night until the 

threats were mitigated. I view cyber in very much that same lane. 

I think it’s—not within just DHS, within the U.S. Government, 

we can say we have room for improvement, and I look forward to 

working with—with you and the Committee, if confirmed, on that 

challenge. 

Senator CORNYN. Well, people understandably are skeptical of 

our perhaps most capable government agency when it comes to 

cyber, which is NSA. And so by default it seems like the Department of Homeland Security must assume that role as the intermediary between our agencies like the NSA and the private sector, 

who views with skepticism also the government’s ability to keep information confidential when it—when there’s so much at risk from 

a business standpoint, when information about cyber attacks, successful cyber attacks, becomes news. 

So we look forward to getting your recommendation and I would 

just encourage you. We need somebody at the Department to stand 

up and speak with clarity about what we as policymakers need to 

do to better deal with this threat, because, as I said, I don’t think 

we’re doing a very good job right now. 

Thank you. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Manchin. 

Senator MANCHIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

And thank you, Mr. Glawe for being here. But first, let me thank 

your family for the service they’ve given to our country, each one 

of them, and for you to continue in that footstep of serving our 

great country. 

Let me ask first of all if you can tell me a little bit about your 

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your service, your dedication to service, and being able to lead the 

DHS with a different perspective than most who have worked 

themselves through the ranks? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you for the question and thank you 

for meeting with me yesterday afternoon. It was a real pleasure, 

an honor, to meet you. I’ve spent a lot of time in West Virginia at 

our advanced training center out there and it’s a wonderful State 

and a wonderful facility. And thank you for that opportunity to talk 

about that. 

As a Houston police officer, I was 22 years old when I got out 

of the academy, and I was—sorry, I had just turned 23. I was the 

youngest police officer in the department when I hit the streets. 

And I responded to people’s homes on the worst day of their lives 

in an effort, hopefully, to make it a little bit better. So when you 

called 9–1–1 and you’ve responded for a call for service, it was inevitably the worst day of someone’s life. 

And with that, it brought a sense of urgency and community, but 

also an understanding of how important intelligence is. At the 

time, I probably didn’t understand the totality of it, but I surely do 

now—is we must have forward-leaning, tactical-level intelligence to 

get to our operators and policymakers to allow the appropriate decisions to be made to mitigate those threats, and working with a 

sense of urgency. 

What I have seen throughout my 20-plus years, working up as 

an entry-level special agent in the FBI in a post-9/11 environment, 

is we have tended to be a reactionary intelligence community. And 

we’ve tried to fix that. We’ve tried to be proactive and get ahead 

of the threats. But some of the critical nodes are we have to posture ourselves as an intelligence enterprise to be forward-leaning 

to identify the threats before they happen, because the worst-case 

scenario is when you have to call 9-1-1 and a uniformed police officer has to respond to the scene after the fact, because that will be 

the worst day usually of someone’s life. 

Senator MANCHIN. What do you think is going to be the greatest—what do you think is the greatest security threat the United 

States faces? 

Mr. GLAWE. Thank you Senator, for the question. The illicit pathways—the illicit pathways associated with cyber seem to be an incredible vulnerability. And I don’t want to get ahead too much on 

the policy of the threat priorities that the Administration and the 

Director of National Intelligence and Secretary Kelly will set. But 

what I will say is, the illicit pathways that are being used in the 

cyber arena in encrypted communication, by transnational criminal 

organizations, by foreign intelligence organizations, by terrorist 

networks, by non-State actors that are—that are on the full spectrum of illicit activity from child exploitation, human trafficking, to 

foreign intelligence activity. 

We are at a real challenging situation now, how as policymakers 

and decision-makers, and I can share that intelligence to you to 

make good decisions on it. And I will do everything, and I’m committed to that, so we can keep you informed on that, and I look 

forward if confirmed to working with you on it. 

Senator MANCHIN. The TSA comes intertwined with your duties. 

Are you concerned, or do you have any concerns, with our TSA, our 

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technology advancements, to be able to detect any type of foreign 

intervention, if you will? And how would you build the cooperation 

between all those nations and countries that have the ability to fly 

into our airports and use our U.S. facilities, and the concern that 

you may have with them bringing danger to our country? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you for the question. And if confirmed, I look forward to taking on that challenge, and it’s a big 

challenge, the information-sharing agreements and our vetting 

processes to identify nefarious actors from any country in the 

world, that pose a threat, from any threat vector, not just terrorism, and again transnational criminal organizations as well that 

operate just as sophisticated as a foreign intelligence organization. 

But, back to your comment about aviation security, in any 

vulnerabilities we have in the aviation security arena, I don’t think 

there is any question that terrorist organizations still view aviation 

as a threat vector that they want, they want to attack. And a 

nightmare scenario is having a U.S. flag or any fly carrier to get 

taken out of the sky. And it is something that keeps all of us up 

tonight, and I’m committed to working towards that and looking for 

those vulnerabilities with Secretary Kelly, the Committee, and intelligence community, to work through those threats. 

Senator MANCHIN. My last question will be, will you, if asked by 

the President, render your professional assessment, regardless if 

that assessment is counter to the current Administration’s policy or 

viewpoint? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you for that question. Absolutely, I 

will always give my honest assessment with complete integrity of 

the intelligence process. 

Senator MANCHIN. Thank you. Congratulations. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Harris. 

Senator HARRIS. Thank you. 

Good morning. I couldn’t agree with you more on your priorities 

around cyber and transnational criminal organizations and, if confirmed, I look forward to working with you on those. 

There’s been a report, and I’d just like you to give me your perspective on it and explanation, that while you were Acting Under 

Secretary for Intelligence and Analysis, that you withheld a report 

as it related to the President’s executive order on what we’ve called 

the ‘‘Muslim Ban.’’ Can you give me your perspective on that report 

and what actually happened? 

Mr. GLAWE. Sure. Thank you, Senator, for the opportunity to 

clarify that. So I had no involvement in the executive order until 

the day it was released, and the report that you’re referencing 

there was a compilation of information that was going to be used 

in the potential, or the litigation, for the executive order. It was a 

combination of multiple intelligence organizations. 

The information that was contained in that report, a majority 

was placed in an intelligence product that was disseminated, and 

I authorized that dissemination shortly thereafter, after that information came out, through a leak that was in the newspaper. 

Senator HARRIS. Was there a reason that it was withheld before 

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Mr. GLAWE. It was—Senator, it was information being compiled 

in a declaration that was going to be used for the executive order, 

after it was stayed. 

Senator HARRIS. So it was work product? Is that—— 

Mr. GLAWE. Yes, Senator. 

Senator HARRIS. On the issue of State election infrastructure, 

you mentioned that you watched or heard part of the proceedings 

that we had in that regard. I’m concerned about what we heard in 

regard to whether or not DHS has adopted an adequate policy for 

coordinating with states. One of the concerns that repeatedly we 

heard and we have heard is that the states are concerned they 

don’t have access to intelligence to safeguard their systems. 

And obviously, we have concerns about classified information and 

those who do not have authority receiving any classified information. How do you propose we could improve our system to give the 

states more information and intelligence to emphasize the priority 

they should place on concerns about hacks? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you for that question. And I have 

had the initial briefings from NPPD on our infrastructure to share 

information, as well as on the fusion centers. And if confirmed, I 

look forward to looking at the business enterprise of how we’re 

doing business and having a sense of urgency. 

Senator, I come from a background in that arena, throughout my 

entire career, to operate with a sense of urgency, disseminate intelligence at any classification level to mitigate threats. I share your 

concern that we are not postured possibly in that arena. But if confirmed, I need to unpack and identify those vulnerabilities and how 

quickly to respond to them. 

Senator HARRIS. Can you give me examples of what you think 

might be a remedy or what a remedy would look like? And I appreciate the point you made earlier, which is solutions won’t be easy. 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, I think I would have to take a stronger 

look—I’m sorry, not stronger—a more in-depth look at our current 

business structure of how that information is being disseminated, 

what infrastructure is currently in place. I’d like to say that the fusion centers would be a natural touch point for this, but I’m not 

sure that they’re postured today to do that mission, especially 

when you’re talking about intelligence community, high-side, TOP 

SECRET information that has to go down to SECRET or tear-line 

level to get it out there. 

And also, to echo what my predecessor Frank Taylor has said, 

getting that information in a usable form to the private sector is— 

and their vulnerabilities, which is tremendous. So if confirmed, 

Senator, I share your concerns, and I will work with you to work 

through the challenges. 

Senator HARRIS. And if you did not see that part of the testimony, I’d urge you to review the hearing that we had about what 

may be a different approach if we’re talking about a vendor versus 

State officials who are elected or appointed to represent the State 

through the State government system. 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you. And I did—so I see part of it 

and some of the confusion involving the legal authorities and disclosure. We’ve got to work through that. I agree with your frustration and I’m committed to work through it if confirmed. 

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Senator HARRIS. And if confirmed, can you give this Committee 

a commitment that you will provide us with a report about your 

assessment well before the 2018 election and, if possible, provide 

us that report before the end of this year? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, if confirmed I absolutely commit to that. 

Senator HARRIS. Thank you. I have nothing else. 

Chairman BURR. Thanks, Senator Harris. 

David, there’s been a lot of discussion about the future of the intelligence component at DHS, how it should be structured, how its 

mission’s defined, what authorities it should operate under, and 

who ultimately its customers are. Who do you view as the I&A’s 

core customer? 

Mr. GLAWE. Thank you, Senator, and thank you for the question. 

I have a unique perspective because I was the head of intelligence 

at U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the largest component of 

DHS, and the largest law enforcement organization in the United 

States. The customers are diverse and it’s a challenge, because it’s 

not necessarily an either-or. We’ve got the policymakers and then 

the senior Administration officials, which you are the senior policy 

officials on this from the legislature. 

But we have the State and locals. And we’re statutorily mandated to share information with the State and locals. And we have 

to do that, and we have to do it well, because we’re the only ones 

that are statutorily mandated to do that. But I also see equally is 

the components. DHS is a powerful, powerful organization, but 

they’ve had challenges getting information to them, intelligence 

high-side information, to the most critical components. 

And I would use Customs and Border Protection as one of those. 

They are the last line of defense for incoming foreign threats, and 

law enforcement data will not cut it alone. We have to—we will 

have to find solutions either through our vetting and informationsharing agreements or processes to ensure that they get all the information they need on the border to mitigate threats. 

So Senator, my apologies, I didn’t quite answer with a singular 

one because DHS’s mission is so important with State and locals, 

the DHS components, the private sector and policymakers. We 

have to serve them all. And I have to, if confirmed, come up with 

a business plan and process to do that with a sense of urgency and 

understanding what our customers need. 

Chairman BURR. Let me ask it a little different way. What value 

does I&A bring? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you. I&A’s mission is robust and the 

employees are outstanding and they are dedicated and committed 

to that. Interweaving the DHS components’ intelligence information is a critical node. They are statutorily charged to bring Title 

50 intelligence community information to the components, with the 

exception of Coast Guard, which is a stand-alone intelligence function, or I.C. component, within DHS. And also ensuring that they 

are getting information to the State and locals. 

So I see that as also a heavy-pronged approach. What I would 

say is, if confirmed, I would bring the mission focus, operational 

focus, to ensure we’re meeting our customer’s need with a sense of 

urgency. And I believe I said it earlier, you know, having that 

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mindset to deliver tactical-level and strategic intelligence, to move 

resources, to be adaptive, to mitigate threats immediately. 

The men and women of I&A are incredibly dedicated, incredible 

people, and, if confirmed, I hope to have the opportunity to help 

them with that mission. 

Chairman BURR. You’ve got the unique background of having 

served in a number of different capacities that touch the intelligence community and the product that comes out of it. The Committee’s been concerned for some time about the analytic duplication that exists across government, government-wide. Do you share 

that concern, and what do you see as the analytic component of 

DHS, or should they be a customer of somebody else’s analytic 

product? 

Mr. GLAWE. Thank you for the question. And I have been in a 

unique position throughout my career to understand that challenge, especially as a terrorism agent in the FBI, and looking at 

DHS I&A’s role in the terrorism space, and the uniqueness of the 

organization to provide information. 

And if confirmed, I am committed to look for the business process 

to ensure that there is not duplication, that we are at I&A—or if 

confirmed at I&A, I would find the business process for that unique 

space that they operate in, which is ensuring State and local private sector sharing of information both ways. 

But then I also—within the DHS component, the opportunity to 

enhance their missions and to integrate it within border security, 

trade, travel, aviation, and critical infrastructure is a real opportunity, I think. And to look at I&A and our processes and business 

process, to facilitate that mission, and then possibly carve out stuff 

that we don’t need that other organizations are doing and doing it 

well. But to make sure we’re efficient, we’re using the taxpayers’ 

dollars well, and at the end of the day we’re mitigating the threats. 

Chairman BURR. Given the mission of your agency, as you look 

forward over the next 10 years, do you see more employees that are 

government employees or more employees that are contractors, 

based upon what you know, the skill sets that you’re going to need 

to attract? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you for the question. I’ve seen incredibly dedicated contractors I’ve worked for in my prior capacity. But 

I believe a workforce, a continuing workforce, a historical workforce, with the knowledge coming up through the ranks, like I said 

I have, and also maintaining an employee business environment so 

we retain employees and we’re competitive, is critical to DHS I&A. 

So I’ve seen the Committee’s past reports on reducing the number of contractors and I’m committed to that as well, and I agree 

that we would continue to have a government workforce and maintaining quality employees from the entry level and having career 

progressions all the way up through the senior executive ranks. I 

think I’m a benefit of those type of career paths and I’d like to include that at DHS I&A if confirmed. 

Chairman BURR. Listen, I’m going to put you on the spot. In your 

view, is there any overlap in DHS’s and FBI’s efforts to counter violent extremists, as others have expressed? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you for the question. I think there 

is potential overlap there, but business solutions and partnerships, 

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which I will bring with the FBI, are easy for me. I know the FBI 

well. I’m friends with them. I grew up with them through our management change. 

But the uniqueness of I&A, incorporating suspicious activity and 

partnering with State and local and tribal and private sector partners is the unique spot that I&A’s in and can fill. Where the FBI 

is a case-driven, investigative-driven, organization, DHS I&A is 

not. And my job in I&A is to ensure the information and the intelligence is shared on those types of threats. And I think we have 

an opportunity, in partnership with the FBI and our local partners, 

in that threat space. 

Chairman BURR. I&A is such a small piece of DHS. Do you have 

any concerns about getting lost relative to the Secretary’s view of 

what I&A is or should be or can be? 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, I do. I think the critical thing is scoping the 

mission with having the mid-level and entry-level managers understanding our mission directly, so we are focused on the main mission of keeping the homeland safe. We can’t be everything to everyone, and that could cause challenges. So the scoping in the business plan in my opinion, if confirmed, is going to be the critical aspects of I&A moving out on a mission-oriented integrated approach. 

Chairman BURR. I encourage you to make sure that I&A is a full 

partner in the enterprise there, versus just the agency you turn to 

when there is an ‘‘oh blank’’ moment. 

I’m going to turn to the Vice Chairman. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. I appreciate your comments. and I just 

want to follow up on what I raised and Senator Harris raised. I 

was surprised last week when we had the head of all the association of secretaries of state, who basically viewed that the designation of our electoral system as critical infrastructure, she felt that 

was a burden rather than an asset. And this—again, not sure this 

will exactly fall within your purview, but I wanted to just reemphasize that something is wrong with our system if we have information and we feel like our top State election officials are not cleared 

at an appropriate security clearance level, to actually get briefed on 

that information. 

And again, I think we missed—dodged a bullet in 2016 because 

none of the systems were penetrated to a level that affected. But 

if there’s one word that we’ve heard from the I.C., it’s that the Russians will be back. And I would hope we’d get to a point where if 

you are designated critical infrastructure, you felt that that was a 

net positive to your institution and DHS was providing both asset 

support and information-sharing in a way that—that, again, make 

sure that our most critical component of our democratic process, 

our voting systems, are appropriately protected. 

And again, I hope you’ll think through that. I know it’s kind of 

a new area, and I appreciated the comments from DHS last week. 

But this is something we’ve got to get to with a real sense of urgency, immediately. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you, Vice Chairman. 

David, I want to thank you again for, one, your service to the 

country, and your family’s service to the country. 

Senator MANCHIN. Mr. Chairman. 

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Chairman BURR. Senator Manchin. 

Senator MANCHIN. Is it possible just to follow up on one question? 

Chairman BURR. The Senator is recognized. 

Senator MANCHIN. Thank you very much. 

David, what have we learned since 9/11? You know, I understood 

that we had a lot of—a lot of the intelligence community was 

warned. We had a lot of chatter going on. We knew, but it doesn’t 

look like anybody was coordinating or talking to anybody at all. 

But everyone was concerned about that. In your evaluation, I’m 

sure, in taking on this role you’re going to be taking on, what do 

you think that maybe you have learned, or we have learned, or we 

should have learned? And how can you make sure that doesn’t repeat itself? 

Because you’re going to be sharing this all the way down to the 

level you started at. Now you’re at the top of the food chain and 

you know what it’s like down there. That’s where it’s got to be 

stopped. I’ve read all the reports on 9/11. It really shouldn’t have 

happened. 

Mr. GLAWE. Senator, thank you for that question. And I’ve 

thought about that for many years. And coming up through the 

entry-level ranks and serving with some very elite intelligence and 

operational squads and teams, the one thing I’ve learned is a mission-integrated, operationally focused approach, and empowering 

your leaders, empowering your mid- and lower-level managers and 

staff, with commander’s intent, with an operational mindset that 

all threats must be mitigated. You don’t go home at the end at the 

end of the night until those threats are mitigated, and you share 

intelligence, you—you do everything you can within the legal 

bounds of sharing information with each other. 

And when you do recognize stovepipes or vulnerabilities, raise 

them up immediately. You can’t sit on them. 

I was fortunate enough early on in my career to have been the 

lead on the Al-Shabaab threat in the homeland at a very entry 

level, very entry level. And some incredible leaders that I worked 

for allowed me to develop a program in the homeland to mitigate 

that threat. And that also involved overseas partners, foreign partners, Department of Defense, and the intelligence organizations. 

I’ve taken that to heart on how I view—how I view every day I 

go to work is on mitigating threats. So integrating intelligence and 

operations and clear and direct information lines to policymakers. 

So as threats are emerging and we need to change, we change together as a team, because I view this is a one team, one fight, government approach. It doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you’re 

on. It’s about keeping the country safe. I’m committed to that if 

confirmed, and I’ll always be committed to that. 

Chairman BURR. David, again I would thank you, you for your 

service, your family for your service—their service, and, more importantly, for your willingness to fill this role that the President’s 

asked you to do. It’s incredible. I’ve enjoyed your lovely children, 

and if I didn’t have a 15-month-old granddaughter I’d be taking 

Alexis home with me today. 

[Laughter.] 

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David, it’s the Vice Chair’s and my intent to move your nomination as rapidly as we possibly can. As you know, there’s a great 

likelihood that we will adjourn for the Fourth of July week tomorrow. I can assure you, if there’s any way to get this process moving 

forward before we leave, we’ll try to do that. Mark and I will talk. 

If not, we’ll do it as quickly as we get back. It’s my hope that we 

can get you permanently placed no later than the July timeframe. 

My one reminder to you is that DHS has many bosses from a 

standpoint of policy; you have one and it’s this Committee. And the 

intelligence that you process through the I&A is of great interest 

to us. I want to go back to this duplication thing, just very briefly, 

because, having served in the multiple capacities that you have, I 

think you can understand my frustration when I sit down in the 

morning and I go through my intelligence reports from overnight 

and I find a report that I read from five different areas and at the 

bottom of it the core source was the same product. 

It really makes me wonder why we need five different interpretations of the same core product, and if that core product is as important as I think it is, why isn’t everybody turning to them, versus 

trying to re-create the wheel with every turn. So I hope you’ll remember that as you serve out this term at I&A because I really 

think we’ve got to refine what we do and how we do it from an intelligence standpoint. 

The rest of the world’s changing, and they don’t have the rules 

and they don’t have the history to encumber them like we do in the 

United States. We’ve got to figure out how to get the history out 

of the way, but the rules are going to stay. And, we will be very 

aggressive from our standpoint and of our oversight, of you and of 

the organization. 

With that, this hearing is adjourned. 

[Whereupon, at 9:24 a.m., the hearing was adjourned.] 

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