From: Steve Nadel [mailto:snadel@aceee.org]

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Subject: RE: Cost of Capital to Electric Utilities

Folks,

OMB rules require DOE to use two ra tes in their national economic an alysis -- 3% and 7%. These are

"real" rates, meaning they don't incl ude inflation. So if inflation is 3%, the nominal rates are roughly 3%

and 10% (I say roughly since the formula for int egrating inflation is more complicated than simple

addition).

Steve

>>> "Bob Smith" < bsmith@federalpacific.com > 11/7/2011 9:52 AM >>>

Robert:

While the cost of bonds for issuers is depressed currently, I think you would get a better answer by

polling at least 1⁄2 dozen large utilities with good S&P ratings for their answers based on the timing like:

Year 1990:

Year 2000:

Year 2005:

Year 2010:

Year 2020: (e xpected range)

I’ve left my trusty calculator in my car this morning but according to my Excel formula the PWF

(payments in arrears) for 30 years at 7% is equal to 12.4

. For 3% it is 19.6

. So if we use 3% that makes

the LCC savings for lower losses look a lot better doe sn’t it?

Regarding the discount rate, you seem extremely in favor toward using a lower rate. Can you explain

why you have not examined and considered some of the historically higher rates and have been

unwilling to accept the possibility of even higher rates than 7% be tween now and 2020?

Why don’t you support the general feeling that 7% is the correct rate? A discount rate of 10% would not

be an unreasonable value to use for calculationI look forward to your reply.

Regards,

Bob Smith, PE

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Subject: Cost of Capital to Electric Utilities



### Richard and All,

### For those interested in the curren t cost of money to investor owne d electric utilities, the weighted

average cost of capital a ppears to be a little over 5%. This is composed of about 7% equity and

4% debt. See attached for full li st of sector costs. As noted in my earlier email to Ken, rural

electric coops and municipals typically borrow fr om RUS at rates pegged to long-term treasuries

-- currently about 3%. Links also included her for convenience.

http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/UEP_Rates.html

and http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/UEP_Loans_Grants.html