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TELEPHONE CONFERENCE CALL 

IN THE MATTER OF: 

IVY ENTERPRISES, INC., 

(Civil Penalty Action) 

:FDMS No. FAA-

_____________________________ :2011-1116 

Thursday, 

April 5th, 2012 

The above-entitled matter came on 

for telephone conference call, pursuant to 

notice, at 10:00 a.m . 

BEFORE: THE HONORABLE J.E. SULLIVAN, 

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APPEARANCES: 

On Behalf of the Complainant: Federal 

Aviation Administration 

JEANINE C. GOTTIMER, ESQ. 

of: Office of the Regional Counsel 

Eastern Region 

Federal Aviation Administration 

1 Aviation Plaza 

Jamaica, New York 11434 

Tel: (718) -553-3272 

Fax : ( 718 ) - 9 9 5 - 5 6 9 9 

On Behalf of the Respondent: Ivy 

Enterprises, Inc. 

ALEXANDER G. BATEMAN Jr., ESQ. 

of: Ruskin Moscou Faltischek, P.C. 

1425 RXR Plaza 

East Tower, 15th Floor 

Uniondale, New York 11556 

Tel: (516) 663-6589 

Fax : ( 516 ) 6 6 3 - 6 7 8 9 

ALSO PRESENT: 

JOHN COONEY, ESQ. 

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1 P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 

2 (10:01 a.m.) 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: We are on the 

4 record in the matter of Ivy Enterprises Inc. 

5 This is docket number FAA-2011-1116. Today is 

6 Thursday, April 05, 2012 and the parties have 

7 convened for a second litigation scheduling 

8 conference. 

9 The Federal Aviation 

10 Administration is represented by its Attorney 

11 of Record, Jeanine Gottimer. 

12 The Respondent, Ivy Enterprises 

13 Inc., 1s represented by its Attorney of 

14 Record, Alexander G. Bateman Jr. Also present 

15 as an observer with Mr. Bateman is John 

16 Cooney, an associate at his law firm. 

17 Good morning everyone. 

18 MR. BATEMAN: Good morning. 

19 MS. GOTTIMER: Good morning. 

20 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I will note that 

21 I did receive the Respondent's answer, it was 

22 filed with the Office of Hearings on March 06, 

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1 2012. And I also received the parties joint 

2 Proposed Scheduling/Discovery Plan, on March 

3 29, 2012. Thank you both very much for your 

4 work on that. 

5 We obviously have a couple of 

6 matters that we still need to discuss though. 

7 And let's just jump right into that. 

8 In terms of the dispositive 

9 motion. According to your joint Discovery 

10 Plan, you want to have dispositive motions, 

11 filed on or about October 11, 2012. 

12 Obviously you can file dispositive 

13 motions at any time, but October 11, 2012 lS 

14 the proposed deadline for the last date to 

15 file. With October 22, 2012 the deadline for 

16 the answer, to any dispositive motion. 

17 I typically will allow a reply to 

18 be filed, by the moving party, to any 

19 dispositive motion. And I also, typically set 

20 that reply date for about seven days out, 

21 after the answer. 

22 Would that be reasonable in your 

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1 opinion, Ms. Gottimer? 

2 MS. GOTTIMER: Yes, Judge. Thank 

3 you. 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, and Mr. 

5 Bateman? 

6 MR. BATEMAN: Yes, Judge. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then seven 

8 days from October 22, 2012 would be October 

9 30, 2012. 

10 Let's talk then about a telephone 

11 conference. Whenever I have a dispositive 

12 motion, I typically will take oral arguments 

13 on that. 

14 What I have been doing, 1s setting 

15 an oral arguments date, on every dispositive 

16 motion that I set. And then if no dispositive 

17 motions are filed, I'll convert that telephone 

18 conference to a pre-hearing status conference, 

19 to find out if there any last requests of the 

20 parties about taking care of the matter in 

21 dispute, prior to us all showing up for the 

22 trial. 

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1 Let's talk about a telephone 

2 motion date after October 3 0, 2 012. Typically 

3 I schedule this for an hour. Parties would be 

4 appearing by telephone, just like you're doing 

5 today. 

6 Sometimes the argument takes a 

7 little bit longer than an hour, sometimes it 

8 takes much less. Particularly if it's simply 

9 a status conference. 

10 But looking at your ruling of 

11 calendar, and I will start with Ms. Gottimer. 

12 After October 30th, let's say the following 

13 week, November 4th through the lOth. Do you 

14 have any blackout times during that week where 

15 you would not want to appear for a one hour 

16 conference? 

17 MS. GOTTIMER: No, Your Honor. 

18 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, Mr. 

19 Bateman, how about you? 

20 MR. BATEMAN: I don't have any 

21 blackout dates either, Judge. 

22 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Ms. 

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1 Gottimer, do you have any preference for a 

2 morning or afternoon time? 

3 MS . GOTTIMER: I do prefer the 

4 morning, if possible. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And what time 

6 zone are you in, just so I know? 

7 MS. GOTTIMER: Eastern. 

8 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 

9 Bateman, how about you? Do you have any 

10 preference for time during the day? 

11 MR. BATEMAN: The morning is fine 

12 as well, Judge. 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And are you also 

14 in the Eastern time zone? 

15 MR. BATEMAN: We are, we're in New 

16 York. 

17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. All right, 

18 well then let's plan on 10 o'clock on 

19 Wednesday, November 7th. That would be from 

20 10:00 to 11:00 Eastern time. And again, if no 

21 dispositive motions are filed, it will simply 

22 be automatically converted to a pre-trail 

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1 conference, so that we can finish up any 

2 lingering matters. 

3 Venue obviously will be New York 

4 City or Long Island, New York, and that's 

5 simply confirming the parties agreement. 

6 Ms. Gottimer, let's talk just 

7 briefly about motions to compel discovery, and 

8 then statements in opposition to discovery 

9 motions. 

10 I typically will require that 

11 motions be filed ten or 15 days after service 

12 of a deficit response, or after the response 

13 is suppose to be due, and you don't get it. 

14 Do you have any preference or do 

15 you think some other period of time is better? 

16 MS . GOTTIMER: No, Your Honor. 

17 That's fine. 

18 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 

19 Bateman, how about you? 

20 MR. BATEMAN: That's fine, Judge. 

21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Do either of you 

22 care about ten days versus 15? 

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1 MS. GOTTIMER: I 

2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I am sorry, Ms. 

3 Gottimer? 

4 MS. GOTTIMER: I was golng to say 

5 the agency does not have, ten is fine, 15 is 

6 fine. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 

8 Bateman? 

9 MR. BATEMAN: Likewise, Judge. 

10 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, I will 

11 simply put ten days then. You've got a little 

12 bit of a shortened litigation schedule, so I 

13 think ten days will work for you. 

14 In terms of the hearing starting 

15 with you Ms. Gottimer, how much time do you 

16 want to reserve, to put on your entire case? 

17 And this would include a potential 

18 opening argument, any SNAFU's that occur 

19 during the trail, which typically do occur, no 

20 matter how well trials are prepared. 

21 How much time do you think it 

22 would take to put on your case in chief? 

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1 MS. GOTTIMER: I'm anticipating 

2 maybe half a day. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. and Mr. 

4 Bateman, knowing that you're going to be cross 

5 examining all of Ms. Gottimer' s witnesses, and 

6 then putting on, potentially, your own 

7 respons1ve case. How much time do you think 

8 it will take for this case to be tried? 

9 MR. BATEMAN: Judge, when I 

10 consider the cross examination, and then 

11 putting on our own case. My best estimate 

12 would be, certainly the other half of that 

13 day, and possibly still into half of the next 

14 day, or another scheduled day. 

15 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, so about a 

16 maximum of two days, perhaps. 

17 MR. BATEMAN: I think that's 

18 pretty accurate. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Let's look 

20 for two days on our calendar, after November 

21 7th, and I am going to suggest that you give 

22 me about a week to issue a written ruling 

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1 after November 7th. In the event that there 

2 are summary judgements motions that are filed. 

3 The reason I say that, is because 

4 there 1s a Federal holiday the following 

5 Monday. And summary judgement orders, if 

6 granted, or even when denied, usually are 

7 fairly ln depth because of the Rule 

8 requirements, and what I have to cover, and 

9 why. 

10 I am not complaining about that, 

11 it just takes me a little bit of time to write 

12 one, so I will plan on having that issued no 

13 later then the 14th of November. 

14 So let's look at after November 

15 14th, for a two day trial, with the 

16 understanding, that we're also going to be 

17 traveling potentionaly, to and from the 

18 location site. 

19 Ms. Gottimer, looking at your 

20 calendar first, and we're looking at the 

21 November holidays here, do you want to try and 

22 schedule it in November after the 14th, or do 

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1 you want to move into an early December period 

2 of time? 

3 MS. GOTTIMER: I would say maybe 

4 the last week of November is fine, but I have 

5 no objections to moving into December, either. 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 

7 Bateman, how about you? 

8 MR. BATEMAN: Judge, I think, just 

9 taking another look at my schedule here, I 

10 think I would be ln a better position 

11 scheduling wise, if we were talking about the 

12 first week in December. 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And Mr. 

14 Bateman that would be December 2nd through the 

15 8th? 

16 MR. BATEMAN: That's correct. 

17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Do you 

18 prefer, Mr. Bateman, to start on a Tuesday, or 

19 a Wednesday for a two day trial? 

20 MR. BATEMAN: It makes no 

21 difference to me, Judge. 

22 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Ms. 

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1 Gottimer, turning back to you. Do you have a 

2 preference? 

3 MS. GOTTIMER: I would actually 

4 prefer starting on a Wednesday. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then let's 

6 schedule this for Wednesday, December 5th and 

7 Thursday, December 6th. With travel days, for 

8 those of us who need to travel, on Tuesday, 

9 December 4 and Friday, December 7th. 

10 We have had are best luck, so far 

11 this year, 1n setting cases 1n the Islip 

12 District Court House. So that's probably 

13 where my Secretary is go1ng to call first, 

14 just to give you an idea. 

15 If we are unable to schedule in 

16 Islip, then we'll look around in our usual 

17 locations, a little closer into the 

18 Metropolitan New York City area. 

19 Any preference, Ms. Gottimer, for 

20 start time, 9:00 or 9:30? 

21 MS. GOTTIMER: I would prefer 9:3 0. 

22 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Bateman? 

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1 MR. BATEMAN: I think 9:3 0 is best, 

2 Judge. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Start time 

4 will be at 9:30 each morning. And then I have 

5 two questions for you, Ms. Gottimer, about 

6 your Notice of Complaint. I am golng to ask 

7 you to turn to Page 16, if you will, of the 

8 Notice of Complaint. 

9 You indicated, that the maximum 

10 penalty in the violations you are alleging is, 

11 not greater than $50,000 or $100,000, if 

12 death, serlous illness, severe lnJury, or 

13 substantial property damage results. 

14 Are you asserting at this point 

15 it's $50,000 or are you asserting at this 

16 point the maximum is $100,000? Can you give 

17 the Court any idea of where the cap is? 

18 MS. GOTTIMER: Yes, Your Honor, 

19 we're asserting the $50,000 dollar cap, per 

20 violation, as a maximum, not the $100,000. 

21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And how many 

22 violations are you asserting? 

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1 MS. GOTTIMER: Well, there are the 

2 ones that are listed, I'm just trying to take 

3 a look. It goes through Z. A through Z. 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: So you're talking 

5 about 26 violations? 

6 MS . GOTTIMER: Right, those are 

7 violations of the hazardous materials 

8 regulations. 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And then 

10 Notice of Complaint that was filed with my 

11 office, was not dated, nor was there any proof 

12 of service. Can you give me some idea of 

13 when, you're asserting, that you filed the 

14 Notice of Complaint? 

15 MS. GOTTIMER: Yes, I have 

16 actually, the dated October 3rd. 

17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I understand that 

18 you have probably, a final Notice of Proposed 

19 Civil Penalty, but I am not sure that we have 

20 any notice of when it was filed in our office. 

21 Are you saylng October 3, 2011? 

22 MS. GOTTIMER: Yes. I have a copy 

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1 of the Complaint, that we filed, after the 

2 final Notice of Proposed Civil Penalty, and 

3 it's date stamped with a Certificate of 

4 Service, October 3, 2011. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Thank you 

6 very much, and that's received in our office 

7 as of that day? 

8 MS. GOTTIMER: Okay: 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I am sorry, I am 

10 asking you. 

11 MS. GOTTIMER: You know what I 

12 don't have your green card right here. I 

13 don't have that with the file right here. 

14 That's at a separate location, but I can track 

15 that. 

16 I don't know why your copy doesn't 

17 have the cover sheet that's date stamped, and 

18 the Certificate of Service, but I can get that 

19 to you, Your Honor, along with the copy of the 

20 green card. 

21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I would appreciate 

22 that, because we have a copy of a Complaint 

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1 with no Notice of Service, no date stamp, 

2 nothing. So it's difficult for me to know, 

3 without some information, about when it got 

4 filed. 

5 Obviously my office was at fault in 

6 that to, because the notice carne in it didn't 

7 get date stamped. So if you could send me a 

8 copy of that, at your leisure, that would be 

9 delightful. 

10 MS. GOTTIMER: Okay, absolutely. 

11 Would you prefer to be scanned in an email, 

12 faxed, or mailed? 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Faxed, please. 

14 MS. GOTTIMER: Okay. Thank you. 

15 JUDGE SULLIVAN: That would be 

16 great. Thank you so much. 

17 Okay, so 26 violations, $50, 000 

18 dollars per violation cap, with a trial date 

19 in early December 2012. Ms. Gottirner, is 

20 there anything else that we can address for 

21 your client today, before we conclude? 

22 MS. GOTTIMER: No, thank you, Your 

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1 Honor. 

2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And Mr. Bateman, 

3 anything else we can address for your client 

4 today? 

5 MR. BATEMAN: No, Your Honor, 

6 thank you. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, I'll be 

8 sending out a Litigation Procedural Order, 

9 that basically confirms the parties 

10 agreements, ln the joint Proposed 

11 Schedule/Discovery Plan. As well as adding ln 

12 the new dates that we've discussed today. 

13 I' 11 also note, that the Litigation 

14 Procedural Order will talk a little bit about 

15 bringing to the hearing, three coples of 

16 documents, that you'll all want to admit as 

17 exhibits. 

18 It will be a little more 

19 comprehensive, about how to file Motions to 

20 Compel Discovery. And you'll note in this 

21 document, which is about three pages long, 

22 that if you do have problems with discovery, 

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1 I do expect you to have a CR 37 conference, 

2 prior to filing a motion with the Court. 

3 Then if either of you have problems 

4 with discovery, and do feel you need to file 

5 a motion, give my Legal Secretary a call, 

6 Diane Mayes. Alert her that you're going to 

7 be filing a motion. 

8 When you call, you should have in 

9 hand, three proposed dates that you've already 

10 talked with the other party about, in terms of 

11 setting up an oral argument on the motion. So 

12 that we can get you on my calendar as fast as 

13 possible, and keep within the original 

14 discovery timelines that we've set today. 

15 The Litigation Order will talk 

16 about how to do that, and it will go into 

17 greater length. In addition, I'll simply note 

18 that I generally use the Federal Rules of 

19 Evidence as a primary guideline, whenever I am 

20 at trial. 

21 I recognize that the FAA 

22 Regulations talk a little bi~ more generally 

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1 about allowing hear say, but I do take a look 

2 at the Rules of Evidence to assess whether 

3 such evidence is material and relevant. Just 

4 as a heads up for you. 

5 With that it appears our business 

6 is complete, unless, Ms. Gottimer you have any 

7 further questions? 

8 MS. GOTTIMER: Nothing further, 

9 Your Honor. 

10 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Bateman? 

11 MR. BATEMAN: Your Honor, to answer 

12 that, I do have one question. 

13 I hadn't thought to do this before 

14 today, but when we're done here today, I guess 

15 I will get an authorization form, from the 

16 client, so that Mr. Cooney, when we get to the 

17 hearing, obviously with the Court's 

18 permission, could participate actively. 

19 He and I have been working together 

20 on this case, and I know that he's worked with 

21 Ms. Gottimer, on the discovery. I just hadn't 

22 thought to get that authorization form. Would 

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1 that be sufficient? 

2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, I think part 

3 of your question is, who gets to talk at the 

4 hearing. And typically only one person is 

5 designated as the representative for any given 

6 part of the proceeding. 

7 So for example, I don't need an 

8 authorization from your client, but you need 

9 to tell me, for example, like at something 

10 like this, if you want to be the observer and 

11 have Mr. Cooney take on the cross examining 

12 from beginning to end. I don't have a prdblem 

13 with that. So long as you both are of Counsel 

14 for this particular client. 

15 MR. BATEMAN: All right, 

16 understood. 

17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: If you come to the 

18 Court together, and you, Mr. Bateman, want to 

19 make an opening statement, but Mr. Cooney is 

20 going to conduct cross examination of all the 

21 expert witnesses, that's fine with me, so long 

22 as you tell me in advance, because part of my 

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1 job, obviously, is to make sure that the 

2 appellant record is the best that it could 

3 possibly be. 

4 MR. BATEMAN: Correct. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: For any segment of 

6 what we do, so long as. I know who's the 

7 representative speaking, I don't have any 

8 problem at all. 

9 But for something like this, for 

10 example, for a one hour telephone conference, 

11 I expect to only hear from one person, and I 

12 presume it's going to be you, unless you tell 

13 me differently. 

14 MR. BATEMAN: All right, 

15 understood. 

16 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. All right., 

17 with that it appears our business is complete. 

18 We can go off the record. And I thank you all 

19 for your time. 

20 (Whereupon, the hearing in the 

21 above-entitled matter adjourned at 10:22 a.m.) 

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C E R T I F I C A T E 

This is to certify that the foregoing transcript 

In the matter of: Ivy Enterprises 

Before: US DOT 

Date: 04-05-12 

Place: teleconference 

was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under 

my direction; further, that said transcript is a 

true and accurate record of the proceedings. 

(202) 234-4433 

Court Reporter 

NEAL R. GROSS 

COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 

1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. 

WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 WNW .nealrgross .com