FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION 

In the Matter of ) 

) FDMS No. FAA-2011-1009 

QUENTON T. BROWN ) 

Room 6 00 

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1220 L Street, N.W. 

Washington, D.C. 

Tuesday, '-- '^-\ 

November 22, 2011 f^ y^^^^i^n 

The parties met, pursuant to notice at 10:12 a.m. ^ ""^o ^ 

BEFORE: J.E. Sullivan V i~~r 

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APPEARANCES: (Via Telephone) 

On behalf of Complainant: 

MARK G. CAMACHO, Esquire 

FAA - Office of the Regional Counsel 

901 Locust, Room 506 

Kansas City, Missouri 64106-2641 

(816) 329-3765 

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3 JUDGE-SULLIVAN: We're on the record in the 

4 matter of Quenton T. Brown. This is FAA docket number 

5 --i t looks like I don't have one. It's to be 

6 assigned. But I do have an FDMS docket number, and 

7 that's FAA-2011-1009. 

8 Today is Tuesday, November 22, 2011, and the 

9 parties have convened for a litigation scheduling 

10 conference by telephone. The Federal Aviation 

11 Administration is represented by Mark G, Camacho, who 

12 is the attorney of record. Quenton T. Brown is a pro 

13 se Respondent. He is not present today. 

14 Good morning, Mr. Camacho. 

15 MR. CAMACHO: Good morning, Judge Sullivan. 

16 And may I say as a sidebar remark, welcome to the -- I 

17 will call it just the agency. I've had the pleasure 

18 of working with Judge Goodwin for many years, and his 

19 predecessor before him. But I've not had the occasion 

20 to work with you, and I'm looking forward to 

21 presenting this case in front of you. 

2 2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Thank you. That's very 

23 kind of you. And I would say that I'm being welcomed 

24 to the Office of Hearings, if that would be 

25 acceptable. 

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1 MR. CAMACHO: That's the Office of Hearings, 

2 okay. I got tongue-tied, and that's the first time 

3 that I think I've had that occasion happen for a 

4 spell. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, we're all excited for 

6 Thanksgiving. 

7 MR. CAMACHO: That must be it. It's the 

8 turkey that has got me confused. 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yes. Let me simply note 

10 that this matter appears to have been filed at this 

11 office on or about September 21, 2011. There was a 

12 pro se request for hearing from Mr. Brown that was 

13 filed at the same time. This notice of litigation 

14 scheduling conference was served on the parties on 

15 November 7, 2011. 

16 Within that notice, there was a specific 

17 direction that the parties talk to each other prior to 

18 today's conference and that Mr. Brown file a written 

19 answer to the complaint. 

20 So, Mr. Camacho, let's start with whether or 

21 not you've had a chance to talk to Mr. Brown before 

22 today. 

23 MR. CAMACHO: The answer to the question is 

24 yes, very briefly, yesterday afternoon. I contacted 

25 him on Friday, the 18th, left a voicemail message. 

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1 contacted him yesterday in the morning, left a voice 

2 mail message. Midway through the afternoon, he did 

3 return my call. I spoke to him briefly I addressed 

4 the reason for the call, which was to follow your 

5 directive. He did not know what I was talking about. 

6 I said, well, look at your notice. He said, I don't 

7 have a notice. I said, well, I have here a service 

8 list that shows that you are supposed to have one, He 

9 said, I have not received it. I gave him Diane Mays' 

10 number, and explained who she was, asked him to call 

11 her, and I assured him that if he would that she would 

12 provide it to him so that we could at least address 

13 the content. 

14 He didn't know what in the world I was 

15 really talking about. He did not return my call. I 

16 did go through the itemized listing of what is in 

17 paragraph two, exchange of witness list, et cetera, et 

18 cetera. But frankly, it was something that he was not 

19 familiar with because he had not seen the document, 

2 0 according to him. 

21 That's the extent of that effort. At this 

22 juncture, I would say we are -- it's an unknown to me 

23 as to whether he ever got the -- one , whether he ever 

24 called Ms. Mays. Two, whether he ever received this 

25 document as a matter of fact, or whether he followed 

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1 through and asked for it yesterday and subsequently 

2 got it or hasn't got it. That I do not know. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: When you were speaking with 

4 him yesterday on the telephone --

5 MR. CAMACHO: Yes. 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Did you by any chance 

7 confirm what his mailing address might be? 

8 MR. CAMACHO: That I did not. I did not ask 

9 him that. No, I did not. Now, I will say we have not 

10 received any returned mail from any of our 

11 communications with him down in Orlando. That is to 

12 say, my file doesn't contain returned letters 

13 indicating that that address is incorrect. So working 

14 with that as a premise, I did not confirm, but I'm 

15 just doing a follow-up to let you know that I suspect 

16 the address is correct. 

17 The phone number provided that you have on 

18 your service list is the number that I called, and it 

19 was the number that I was able to reach him that. To20 the extent that he, in a voicemail greeting, indicated 

21 it was his telephone. 

22 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Thank you. And then 

23 to answer your question, this office has had no 

24 contact from Mr. Brown. 

2 5 MR. CAMACHO: Okay. 

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1 JUDGE SULLIVAN: So there has been no phone 

2 c£ill from Mr. Brown to Ms. Mays, who is my 

3 administrative assistant, no record that he has 

4 contacted anyone else here in the office to request 

5 copies of litigation materials that have been sent to 

6 the parties, no record that Mr. Brown has called and 

7 asked for any assistance in navigating the legal 

8 complexities of the material that has been sent to 

9 him, although I would note that I do try and make it 

10 as user-friendly as possible. 

11 MR. CAMACHO: Understood. 

12 JUDGE SULLIVAN: So that leaves us with the 

13 fact that Mr. Brown must file a written answer 30 days 

14 after the notice of complaint was filed with this 

15 office, which would have been on or about October 21, 

16 2 011. Mr. Brown has also failed to file a written 

17 answer with this office after the notice of litigation 

18 scheduling telephone conference was served on the 

19 parties, and that should have been due or before 

20 today, November 22, 2011. 

21 When you spoke to Mr. Brown yesterday, did 

22 you get a sense from Mr. Brown that he was in any way 

2 3 planning to participate in this request for hearing 

24 that he initiated prior to September 21, 2011? I 

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1 that you --

2 MR. C^J^ACHO: No. I had no private 

3 conversations. I understand, Judge. Judge Sullivan, 

4 when I spoke with him, it seemed - - I mean, the 

5 obvious question for me was, Mr. Brown, if you didn't 

6 get the document, how did you know that there was 

7 going to be a conference tomorrow. And he was the one 

8 who sua sponte on his own initiative indicated that he 

9 vjas aware of the fact that there was a conference 

10 today, and he said he didn't know about it because he 

11 got a document. He knew about it only because he 

12 called your office and learned by way of that 

13 telephone call that this conference was scheduled. 

14 That's the extent of that communication. He 

15 did not indicate that he was going to or not going to. 

16 But he did indicate very clearly that he knew that the 

17 conference was scheduled and was aware of it by way of 

18 that phone contact. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. I should note that 

2 0 "- well, let me backtrack on that. Okay. I should 

21 note that Ms. Mays did call Mr. Brown several times 

22 this morning before we went on the record at his 

23 telephone number of record, which is 321-594-8501. No 

24 one answered the phone. 

25 So, Mr. Camacho, we can do several different 

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1 . things in this particular case. I can set this matter 

2 over one more time to try again to try and reach Mr. 

3 Brown. We can have a second litigation scheduling 

4 conference with a new notice set out. That's option 

5 number one. 

6 Option number two would be to unilaterally 

7 set all litigation dates today with sufficient time to 

3 allow you to file a dispositive motion. 

9 MR. CAMACHO: I understand. 

10 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Number three, I could not 

11 set anything new by telephone, not set any litigation 

12 dates, but calendar something on both of our calendars 

13 as a deadline for you to file something that would be 

14 dispositive. And I have been looking at the rules for 

15 FAA cases, and it appears to me that the general 

16 practice here has not been to encourage default 

17 motions. But I don't see anything within the 

18 regulations that prohibit it. 

19 MR. CAMACHO: Right. 

20 JUDGE SULLIVAN: You might tell me 

21 differently, but as I look at the FAA regulations and 

22 then at the civil rules, there appears to be ample 

23 opportunity to file those kinds of motions and have 

24 them granted based on the pleadings and a non25 responding litigant. 

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1 MR. CAMACHO: My experience has been ~- and 

2 because for whatever the reason, Judge, it just 

3 happens to be that my experience has been limited - -

4 and I've been here 2 2 years in this office, but I've 

5 been a trial lawyer for 31, but only 22 at this 

6 agency. And I will tell you that in those 2 2 years, 

7 all of my cases, for whatever the reason, have always 

8 fallen 'into that category of west of the Mississippi'. 

9 It'sjust a strange set of circumstances. 

10 I've not had occasion to have a case arise 

11 that went to hearing east of the Mississippi. So the 

12 hearings that I've had and the cases and the pleadings 

13 and all of that has been with in large measure Judge 

14 Goodwin and then his predecessor. 

15 Number one, I don't recall a time ever when 

16 we've had a notice of litigation scheduling. Quite 

17 frankly, what we've received is an order, if you will, 

18 where the judge has sua sponte before the parties are 

19 aware of it made determinations that we're starting 

20 today, and you've got 90 days to finish your 

21 discovery, you know. And then, you know, when you're 

22 done,.we're going to set within so many days following 

23 that either a prehearing conference or a hearing. 

24 That has been my experience. This is unique 

2 5 and different, and I just say that to you because I'm 

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1 sort of working my way through navigating through new 

2 waters, Irrespective, even in that setting, I would 

3 on my own initiative -- and I was waiting - - I wasn't 

4 waiting, quite frankly. I've got other cases that I'm 

5 working on, and probably put him on the back burner. 

6 I'm sure my paralegal probably on her tickler has it 

7 to bring it up. 

8 But in the absence of the answer, I was 

9 going to file a motion irrespective to see where it 

10 would fall. And basically, it would be a motion to 

11 deem the allegations admitted, and then to ask for an 

12 order to be entered accordingly. That having been 

13 said, that's my experience. That's what I was going 

14 to do. 

15 As a matter of equity, I think in all 

16 fairness to Mr. Brown, Mr. Brown is the one who asked 

17 for the hearing. I think that as a matter of fairness 

18 and justice to him, he is pro se. You know --

19 although I don't know, I forget, but I try not to 

20 forget that the issues of law are complex, and even if 

21 they are administrative in nature versus in the 

22 Federal District Court, irrespective, I think every 

23 civilian gets a little bit intimidated, obviously lost 

24 like a lamb in the woods. 

25 Perhaps the better course of action would 

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1 be, notwithstanding whatever motion I could file, that 

2 a second notice be provided to Mr. Brown, and give him 

3 an opportunity to participate in this procedure. That 

4 would be my response. And if you think that that's 

5 not the appropriate course, then I will proceed 

6 forward to file a motion accordingly. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: No. I'm happy to set this 

8 up for a second litigation scheduling conference. I 

9 too like to err on the side of caution when I'm 

10 dealing with pro se litigants, and I think it's a wise 

11 method to fall back on. 

12 In terms of the process that you're 

13 experiencing today that is different from what you 

14 have experienced in the past, I'm doing some 

15 experimentation, quite frankly. 

16 MR. CAMACHO: Okay. I like it. I like it. 

17 I mean, this is -- I share that with you only because 

18 I'm in the position to say it's so novel to me that I 

19 find it -- it's refreshing and different and new, and 

20 it provides the parties an opportunity to participate 

21 early on. 

22 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Right. But with pro se 

23 litigants in particular, this to me is a much more 

24 efficient method of trying to get the parties together 

25 without a lot of cost and without a lot of angst. I 

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1 am also quite happy to utilize the process where there 

2 are procedural orders sent out to the parties asking 

3 them to get together and talk about a joint procedural 

4 schedule. 

5 My experience, however, is that the faster I 

6 can get folks on board with talking to each other and 

7 exchanging information, the more time you have to 

8 devote the essentials of litigation, which is the 

9 depositions, the interrogatories, the requests for 

10 production, the motions for summary judgment, and so 

11 forth. So I'm experimenting a little bit about when I 

12 would like to schedule matters immediately for a 

13 litigation scheduling conference by telephone, and 

14 when those kinds of cases come up where I think the 

15 parties need to talk to each other first before they 

16 get me on the phone. 

17 What I'm finding is that just looking at the 

18 pleadings and the answers sometimes tells me enough, 

19 when I need to toss the ball back to counsel to look 

20 at again, and when I think the parties may be ready to 

21 get on the phone and start talking about scheduling. 

22 It seems to me that the faster we can schedule a trial 

23 date, and that we have everybody on the line, that we 

24 have everybody's calendar in front of them, it doesn't 

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1 conference. It can be six or eight months iiway. But 

2 that gives folks a due date that is clear, 

3 unequivocal, and calendared. And I think it makes it 

4 much easier than to figure out how you're going to do 

5 your prehearing matters in a way that's comfortable. 

6 And currently, what I have been doing is 

7 setting things out so that they're set on everybody's 

8 calendar at a time when everyone feels comfortable 

9 with those calendar dates. People can then schedule 

10 their travel the way they want. They can schedule 

11 their hotels the way they want. They can set up their 

12 depositions in a much more unpressured fashion, I 

13 guess, would be the best way. 

14 MR. CAMACHO; Right. 

15 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Now, because I'm newer to 

16 this particular jurisdiction, those things can get 

17 tweaked and changed. We'll see how it goes. 

18 So with that, I think having diverted into 

19 this a little bit of procedural material, what I will 

20 do is I will ask you, sir, to look at your calendar, 

21 and you and I can calendar together a second 

22 litigation scheduling conference date, and then I will 

23 send out a notice to both you and to Mr. Brown. I'll 

24 ask you also to try and call Mr. Brown again between 

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1 again about these matters. 

2 MR. CAMACHO: Right. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Then to report back. Today 

4 is November 22, 2011. I would suspect that given the 

5 Thanksgiving holiday, it probably would be best for us 

6 to schedule this the week of December 12th. Will you 

7 be available at any time during that week? 

8 MR. CAMACHO:- I can say right now that I 

9 believe that I will be available that week. My bread 

10 and butter work in this office -- I'm a senior 

11 enforcement attorney, and I prosecute administrative 

12 cases in front of the NTSB on a regular basis. That's 

13 what I do here for a living. And clearly, that would 

14 include civil penalty cases such as this one. But the 

15 lion's share of that work, Judge, not to digress too 

16 long, involves the type of actions where the 

17 respondents are all members of the aviation industry 

18 in some manner, form, or shape. 

19 And I have a case right now involving a 

20 commercial pilot. I'm revoking his certificate, and 

21 the NTSB is on an emergency basis, which means that 

22 the order is immediately effective. The NTSB rules 

23 require that the hearing be held within 30 days. So I 

24 have no control over the setting of that, but the 

25 rules drive that train unless the respondent waives 

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1 that hearing, which with a commercial ticket is more 

2 likely than not that it would not happen. 

3 . So I say to you at the present time, because 

4 that order is going out today or tomorrow, at the 

5 latest probably Monday, that within 30 days - - so 

6 certainly that week is within that window. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 

8 MR. CAMACHO: But at this juncture, I can 

9 say in good faith, knowing what the calendar is, 

10 that's it clearly open, and I will make myself 

11 available at whatever time you have available. 

12 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And when you do these kinds 

13 of cases that are set in such a short schedule, do you 

14 have someone else in the office who can cover for you 

15 if you are in trial and cannot participate in a 

16 telephone conference? 

17 MR. CAMACHO: There is another attorney in 

18 my office. That is not our practice. Our regional 

19 counsel likes to have us maintain -- as he says, we 

20 have responsibility from cradle to grave on our cases, 

21 our case files. That's not to say that it can't be 

22 done. It's just to say that historically that hasn't 

23 been done. But, you know, if necessity is such that 

24 it has to be done, then obviously we will get it 

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1 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Let me ask you this. With 

2 your NTSB cases, do you have an opportunity at times 

3 to take a quick break to cover something like this, if 

4 in fact --

5 MR. CAMACHO: Yes. 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 

7 MR. CAMACHO: Yes. I would talk to the 

8 judge, and we could take a break and do it at the 

9 time. But again, what I would do is once the judge 

10 issues an order setting the hearing - - and in this 

11 instance, it will be I'll have to travel to St. Louis. 

12 It's a three-day excursion for me because I travel 

13 around the country wherever -- because of the nature 

14 of the beast, given that people move around, then 

15 sometimes, you know, an event will happen, let's say 

16 in Minnesota or Des Moines, and then, you know, I'll 

17 have to fly to L.A. or Nevada to do the hearing. 

18 It'sjustan interesting dilemma, not unlike 

19 actually your cases as well. Right now, I anticipate 

20 - - I don't know, but I'm anticipating that Mr. Brown 

21 will ask that the hearing be held where he lives, in 

22 Orlando. And that's your call. But so I would take a 

23 break and -- but what I was going to say is that I 

24 would normally -- I would in that instance call you 

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1 conflict, I will call you immediately and say, Judge, 

2 we have this thing scheduled for this conference for 

3 such a day. I've gotten your order. There is a 

4 conflict. Do you want to slip it forward or backward 

5 a little bit, or can you adjust? You know, that sort 

6 of thing. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And what I'm saying is that 

8 my first request to you would be to ask the trial 

9 judge if you could take a break. 

10 MR. CAMACHO: And I can do that. And I will 

11 certainly do that. Certainly, I will try to do -- and 

12 I will do that, period, and we'11 see what he says. I 

13 don't anticipate there would be a problem with that. 

14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then knowing that, 

15 and you have a three-day trial that might or might not 

16 be set this week - -

17 MR. CAMACHO: The week of the 12th, yes. 

18 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Correct. Would it be 

19 better in your opinion to try and schedule this late 

20 in the week of December 5th? Or do you want to just 

21 go ahead and try for the week of the 12th? 

22 MR. CAMACHO: I think it would be better to 

23 try it the week of the -- well, let me look at this 

24 and think about this for a second. 

25 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I could even schedule --

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1 MR. CAMACHO: I would think, to be honest 

2 with you, the week of December 5th is probably better. 

3 And the reason it's better is because procedurally 

4 there are a number of days that are required for a 

5 particular process to be carried out, which is a 

6 process that provides the Respondent the opportunity, 

7 two days to file a motion questioning the emergency 

8 nature of the administrator's decision. And in that 

9 instance, the judge has to make that determination 

10 within five days. 

11 So the first of the 30 calendar days, a 

12 period of that time is spent addressing that. And 

13 that would happen earlier on than not. And so the 

14 week of the fifth would probably be a better week than 

15 not. 

16 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, then why don't we 

17 look at Wednesday, December 7th. 

18 MR. CAMACHO: Okay. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Do you have time available 

20 on that day? 

21 MR. CAMACHO: Yes, Judge. We can•do it the 

22 same time as now, 9:00 in the morning here, 10:00 

23 their time, if that would be okay. 

24 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I've got something at 10 

25 o'clock already. 

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1 MR. CAMACHO: All right. Let me look at — 

2 well, you know what? Why don't we just work on your 

3 calendar because right now I'11 flex my time, whatever 

4 is needed, based on your availability. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Would 1:30 be acceptable? 

6 MR. CAMACHO: 1:30 Eastern or Central? 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Eastern. 

8 MR. CAMACHO: That's 12:30 our time. Yes. 

9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Let's plan on 1:30 on 

10 December 7, 2011. And I will send out a new notice of 

11 litigation scheduling conference to both you and to 

12 Mr. Brown. Hopefully, Mr. Brown will appear at that 

13 second conference. If you find that he has a 

14 different phone number or a different address, should 

15 you have the good fortune to talk to him again between 

16 now and the seventh of December 2011, please let us 

17 know, and we can file amended paperwork to make sure 

18 that he is apprised of any further conferences. 

19 MR. CAMACHO: Yes. I will contact Ms. Mays 

20 and let her know. 

21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. With that, on behalf 

22 of your client, is there anything else that you would 

23 like to cover during today's proceedings? 

24 MR. CAMACHO: The only question I would 

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1 of a curious question. And again, in light of your 

2 experimentation, when we get down to brass tacks so 

3 that I can sort of project forward, one of my judges 

4 is going through hip replacement, and he's out through 

5 December. And so some of our cases that were docketed 

6 have obviously been put on the back burner. 

7 But I assure you, when he comes back, he's 

8 going to start, you know, like he has to clear that 

9 docket that get those hearings set. So when we talk 

10 about setting litigation or looking down the road, do 

11 you anticipate that this case would be tried, say, by 

12 or before, say, the summer, or is it your anticipation 

13 that it would be tried sometime in the spring? I just• 

14 want to have a feel for that. 

15 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Currently, I'm booked 

16 through the end of March 2012. 

17 MR. CAMACHO: So we're heading toward the 

18 summer, spring-summer. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And generally, what I do, 

2 0 Counsel, is that I get everybody on the phone, and I 

21 ask them what their calendar availability is. 

2 2 MR. CAMACHO: Got it, okay. 

23 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I try and be very sensitive 

24 to everyone's different issues so that we calendar a 

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2 MR. CAMACHO:' Very good. Thank you. I 

3 appreciate that. That gives me a sense of -- so I'm 

4 not going to be overly concerned that we're going to 

5 have any ongoing conflicts with this. The only 

6 conflict I've got is that my daughter, my only daughter 

7 of my six children -- five boys, one girl. Oh, my 

8 goodness. She's getting married on May 29th in Dover, 

9 Massachusetts. And she went to Boston College, as her 

10 fiance also. And she is working out there in Regis 

11 University in Denver, but there is going to be a 

12 wedding, and we're doing this long distance. A novel 

13 experience for us. 

14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I can assure you, Counsel, 

15 that if you have a family-member wedding to attend, I 

16 would never schedule a trial during that time. 

17 MR. CAMACHO: Okay. Thank you. 

18 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Never. 

19 MR. CAMACHO: All righty. 

20 JUDGE SULLIVAN: So unless there is some 

21 kind of emerging circumstance that would require an 

22 expedited trial, I just can't see doing those kinds of 

23 things. 

24 MR. CAMACHO: Thank you very much. 

25 JUDGE SULLIVAN: You're very welcome. And 

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1 then --

2 MR. CAMACHO: Okay. There is nothing else 

3 that 1 can think of, Judge, at this time. I thank you 

4 for giving me a perspective. I've got kind of a 

5 ballpark idea of where we're heading in terms of where 

6 the litigation is going and time frame. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: You're welcome. And then 

8 in terms of your question about venue, I notice that 

9 there is a dispute regarding venue. And I will look 

10 forward to hearing from both parties about that before 

11 I make up my mind. 

12 MR. CAMACHO: Very good. 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. It appears our 

14 business is complete for today. Thank you very much, 

15 Mr. Camacho, for your presence today. It appears our 

16 business is finalized, at least for now. We can go off 

17 the record, and I wish you all --

18 (Whereupon, at 10:40 a.m., the hearing in 

19 the above-entitled matter was adjourned.) 

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