From: Michael Rivest 

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:30 PM 

To: Meyers, Aaron; Richard Parker; Alex Hofmann; Andrew Delaski; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Bob 

Saint; Bob Smith; Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos Gaytan; Caskey, John; Charlie 

Drexler; Charlie Stevens; Chris Bolduc; Chris Brown; Clark Silcox; Creevy, Jim; Dan Cohen; Daniel Young; 

David Flaten; Emily Marchetti; Eric Peterson; Freeman, Jeremiah; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Coulter; Greg 

Rosenquist; Hirsch, Bruce R; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Corkran, Jerry L; Jerry Hodge; Jerry 

Schoen; Jim Raba; Joanna Mauer; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie Coughlin; Ken Winder; Mahesh 

P. Sampat; Matthew Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Meg Waltner; Michael Hyland; Millure, Dave; Pamela 

Costello; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Polinski, Raymond; Puesh Kumar; Rick Anderson; Rob Greeson; 

Robert Berman; Robert van Buskirk; Robin Roy; Ryan, Paul; Scott Beck; Simmons, Chuck; Steve Nadel; 

Steve Rosenstock; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Tim Ballo; Tom Eckman; Wes Patterson; Zhimei 

Luo 

Subject: RE: MVLI LCC & NIA with 2010 material prices 

Hi Aaron,

 

I can't speak specifically for the example you mention but generally I will make the following 

observation. In some situations what dictates the incremental costs between ELs is the difference in 

costs between GOS and SA. The 2010 pricing has the smaller GOS/SA difference so this may explain 

what you are observing. I would expect that if you looked at the M3 data alone you would observe the 

trend you expected.

 

Mike

From: Meyers, Aaron [Aaron.Meyers@CooperIndustries.com] 

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 1:58 PM 

To: Richard Parker; Alex Hofmann; Andrew Delaski; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Bob Saint; Bob Smith; 

Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos Gaytan; Caskey, John; Charlie Drexler; Charlie 

Stevens; Chris Bolduc; Chris Brown; Clark Silcox; Creevy, Jim; Dan Cohen; Daniel Young; David Flaten; 

Emily Marchetti; Eric Peterson; Freeman, Jeremiah; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Coulter; Greg Rosenquist; 

Hirsch, Bruce R; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Corkran, Jerry L; Jerry Hodge; Jerry Schoen; Jim Raba; 

Joanna Mauer; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie Coughlin; Ken Winder; Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew 

Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Meg Waltner; Michael Hyland; Michael Rivest; Millure, Dave; Pamela Costello; 

Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Polinski, Raymond; Puesh Kumar; Rick Anderson; Rob Greeson; Robert 

Berman; Robert van Buskirk; Robin Roy; Ryan, Paul; Scott Beck; Simmons, Chuck; Steve Nadel; Steve 

Rosenstock; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Tim Ballo; Tom Eckman; Wes Patterson; Zhimei Luo 

Subject: RE: MVLI LCC & NIA with 2010 material prices

Richard,

I just now found the time to review the revised information you had sent out with 2010 prices.  

Something isn’t making sense to me.  My assumption was that this version would include the corrected

start of benefits date (2016 rather than 2010), and would use $1.88 for M3 core steel rather than $1.30.  

With the price of all core steels being much higher in the 2010 analysis, I would have expected to see the

incremental first cost go up; however, the results show quite the opposite.  For instance, DL5 EL1 the

incremental first cost is $4794 using the 2011 data, yet it is only $2293 using the higher prices from the

2010 data.  What am I missing?  Can someone explain this?

 

Thanks and Best Regards,
Aaron

 

From: Richard Parker [mailto:richardparkerdc@gmail.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:35 PM 

To: Alex Hofmann; Andrew Delaski; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Bob Saint; Bob Smith; Brenda 

Edwards; Brian Coffey; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos Gaytan; Caskey, John; Charlie Drexler; Charlie Stevens; 

Chris Bolduc; Chris Brown; Clark Silcox; Creevy, Jim; Dan Cohen; Daniel Young; David Flaten; Emily 

Marchetti; Eric Peterson; Freeman, Jeremiah; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Coulter; Greg Rosenquist; Hirsch, 

Bruce R; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Corkran, Jerry L; Jerry Hodge; Jerry Schoen; Jim Raba; Joanna 

Mauer; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie Coughlin; Ken Winder; Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew 

Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Meg Waltner; Meyers, Aaron; Michael Hyland; Michael Rivest; Millure, Dave; Pam 

Costello; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Polinski, Raymond; Puesh Kumar; Richard W. Parker; Rick 

Anderson; Rob Greeson; Robert Berman; Robert van Buskirk; Robin Roy; Ryan, Paul; Scott Beck; 

Simmons, Chuck; Steve Nadel; Steve Rosenstock; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Tim Ballo; Tom 

Eckman; Wes Patterson; Zhimei Luo 

Subject: Fwd: MVLI LCC & NIA with 2010 material prices

 

Dear Colleagues, 

Attached, as requested and promised, is the corrected LCC/NIA for liquid immersed 

transformers based on 2010 materials prices. Thanks to Chris and Katie for quickly following 

through on this. 

All best, 

Richard Parker 

Attached are the corrected LCC and downstream NIA results based on the 

2010 material prices. Please distribute as you see fit. 

-- Chris 

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Chris Bolduc 

Energy Efficiency Standards Group 

Environmental Energy Technologies Division 

Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 

t. 416-535-7546

c. 647-832-4021