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. 5 1 Washingto n D C 20590-000 1 "' ' " " " Fa x Numbe r 202-493-225 1 www.regulations.go v RE : Docke t

Numbe r FAA-2010-010 0 Questio n #12
. (pag e 45 ) "Shoul danyon e other than militar

y pilot s or graduate s o f

4 yea r college s or universitie s wit

h aviatio n relate ddegree s an dcommercia l pilo t certificate s wit

h instnmien t

rating s obtaine dfroma

n affilate dpar

t 14 1 pilo t schoo l b e eligibl e (for

"ATP...wit h fewe

r than 150 0 hours") ? Why o r wh y not ? Response : I

n additio n to militar

y an dfou r yea r degre e graduates , th e FA

A shoul dprovid e th e same reductio n i n hour s fo

r th e AT P t o graduate s o f

Tw o yea r collegiat e aviatio n program s that awar d associat e degrees , a s thos e gradiiate s mee t th e sam e aviatio n relate dacademi c an dflight requirements
. Thes e program s tha

t are certifie dunder

FA A Par t 14 1 requirement s dictat e aforma l pat h t o certification s an drating s simila r t o thos e o f

th e military an dfou

r yea r degre e programs . Student s choos e tw o yea

r program s fo

r avariety o f

reasons , t o includ e bot

h locatio n an dcost . Furthe r communit y colleg e aviatio n program s hav e a n excellen t recor do f providin g hig h qualit

y trainin g fo

r thei r graduates , leadin g t o direc t employmen t

a s aircre w member s i n avariety o f aviatio n flying positions
. Graduate s o f

thes e forma

l tw o yea r communit

y colleg e aviatio n program s deserv e th e same reductio n i n th e fligh

t hour requiremen t

sinc e the y complet e th e same flight hour an dacademi c flight instructio n requirements , eve n thoug h the y ma y no t complet e mor e academi c course s that are unrelate dt o aviation
. Base do n thes e facts , i t appear s somewha

t arbitrar y t o permi t

thi s reductio n i n flight hour s onl y t o thos e graduate s o f afou r yea r program . 1 currentl y teac h i o a n Aviatio n Degre e programa t Tow aLake s Communit

y Colleg e locate di n Esthervill c , Iowa
. Thi s i s a n accredite dAssociate o f Scienc e program , encompassin g 6 8 credi t hour s fo r th e fixe dwin g Professional Pilo t Program
. Thi s progra

mha s provide dcos t

effectiv e pilo t

trainin g sinc e 198 0 t o thousand s o f graduate s wh o ar

e currentl y flying for

th e airlines
. Th e Dep t

o f Education , th e VA , an dother s conside r 1 2 credi t hour s full tim e whic h woul dmak e thi s asi x semester , thre e yea r program . Ou

r curriculu mplan s fo

r fou r semester s o r

5 6 weeks
. Thi s compare s favorabl y t o th e 5 4 week s o f trainin g fo

r th e Air Forc e pilo t

trainin g programreference do n pag e 42
. Incidently , th e NPRM doe s no t state if militar y hehcopte r

pilot s coul dreceiv e th e same hour reductio n a s militar

y fixedwin g pilots
. Th e experienc e an dtrainin g o f aheUcopte

r pilo t doe s no t see mt o len ditsel f

wel l t o th e need s o f th e fixedwin g airlin e pilot
. A s state db

y th e FA A o n pag e 43 , ou r

"student s als o receiv e concentrate dan dfocuse daviatio n training-'
. Th e FA

A describe s th e academi c subject s t o b e covere dfo r th e AT P o n pag e 36ff

: "Multi pilo t [multicrew ] environment , hig h altitud e operations , advers e weathe r conditions'' , th e abiht y t o "functio n eflfectivcl

y i n a n ai r

carrie r operational environment " an dt o hav e "experienc e i n difficult operationa l conditions"
. Additional academi c subject s identifie db y th e FO Q AR C includ e "swep t win g aerodynamics , automation , air carrie r operations , transpor

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Th e FST D (simulator ) trainin g requirement s liste do n pag e 3 7 include ; convectiv e activity , icin g conditions , lo w visibility conditions , maximu mcrosswin dconditions , wit h gusts , contaminate d runway , area s o f

clea r ai r turbulence , movmtai

n wav e activity
. Lo w energ y states/stall s an dupse t recover y technique s ar

e als o listed , a s are cre w coordination , checklist/briefin g items , collisio n avoidanc e systems , an dperformanc e calculations
. Iow aLake s Conununity Colleg e Aviatio n programincorporate s technolog y an dsimulatio n NO T AVAILABL

E i n many fou

r yea r aviatio n universities
. W

e operat e Cirru s S R2 0 aircraf t wit h a"Glas s Panel" , X M weathe r

an dFligh t

Director
. I n addition , w e hav e simulatio n includin g FTD , Advance d Aviatio n Trainin g Devices , Basi c Aviatio n Trainin g Device s an dPC-ATD's
. Eac h leve l o f simulatio n i s incorporate di

n ou r pilo t trainin g a

t th e appropriat e tim e an dquantity for th e students
. Al l graduate s o f th e fixe dwin g pilo t

trainin g mus t

complete rigorous trainin g i n th e ftil l motio n simulato r

to airlin e standards , incorporatin g airlin e profiles , procedure s i n amult i cre w environment
. AL

L O F TFT E ABOV E SUBJECT S REQUIRE D FO RTH E AT P ARE INCLUDE D IN TH E DEGRE E PROGRAM
. Our groun dan dflight

trainin g i s conducte dunder aFA R14 1 certificate tha

t W E OW N AN D OPERATE , NO T A N OUTSOURCED , "AFFILIATED FLIGH T SCHOOL"
. Thi s provide s fo r close r qualit y control , continuou s evaluatio n o f studen t progress , instructo r

qualifications , a s wel l a s lowe r cost s b y eliminatin g th e middleman profi t center . Our

trainin g alread y include s mult i engin e cros s countr y flights, afte

r receivin g th e rating , b y th e students , under IFR , incorporatin g previousl y learne d cre w concepts . Thi s provide s th e smdent s wit h real tim e weathe r

an ddecisio n makin g opportxmities
. Iow aLake s Communit

y Colleg e Professional Pilo t Programals o include s th e followin g trainin g require db y thi s Act : Cre w Resourc e Managemen t (CRM ) trainin g conducte db y airlin e pilots , doctor s an dother experts . • Aviatio n Safet

y curriculu mconducte db y a n FA A Inspecto r Aviatio n Weathe

r conducte db y adegree dMeteorologis t Mountai n flight

training , includin g mountai n wave , conducte db y ahighl y experience d mountai n pilot
. Aviatio n system s clas s conducte db y a n Airframe an dPowcrplan t (A&P ) mechani c • Wmdshea

r profile s usin g th e FA

A Profile s a s wel l a s re-creation s o f landmar k accident s i n th e lul l motion , real lif

e visua l simulator
. Us e o f TIS , TCAS , EFIS , GPS , LPV/LNAV , Radar , an dfull y coupled , aut o sequenced , flight directo r an daut o pilot
. • FIT S an dLOF T trainin g fo r pilot s an dinstructors
. Stag e check s i n bot

h aircraf t an dsimulator s conducte db y curren t airlin e captains
. • Oversigh t

o f th e entir e programb

y a n Advisor

y Boardmad e up o f

workin g professional s fro m man y area s o f

aviation , includin g corporat e an dairlin e captains
. AT C professionals.
. Directo r

o f Operation s o f

a n airline , an dothers
. I n it' s Apri l 8,201 0 respons e t o thi s Docket , th e University Aviatio n Associatio n stated : ''I n ou r view , th e substimtio n o f

academi c stud y withi n a n aviatio n degre e programa t aTW O (emphasi s theirs ) yea r o r afou r yea r aviatio n programshoul db e considered
. IV o yea r aviatio n fhgh

t educatio n program s ar e ofiere db y many differen

t institution s - UAA member s alon e accoun t for 2 6 suc h program s wit

h 209 6 student s enrolle d(200 8 Survey)
. Therefore , tw o yea r program s are avita

l par t o f th e overal l collegiat e aviatio n pilo t

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Th e community colleg e syste mnationwid e ha s bee n providing wel l traine dpilot s for th e airline s an d othe r aviatio n employer s fo r

decades
. Now , with th e hig h cost , no t onl y o f flight training , bu t

als o colleg e i n general , i s no t

th e tim e t o tak e away a

n efficient , effective , reasonabl y price deducationa l opportunity fromthos e wh o canno t affor dth e cos t an dtim e require dfo

r afou r yea r degree
. A s I recal l bac k

diuin g Worl dWa

r Two , "Civilia n Pilo t

Trainin g Programs " wer e ofte n associate dwith 2 year Junio r Colleges , wher e cadet s wer e often educated , creatin g th e bes t Ai r Forc e i n th e World
.

Thank yo u for yoiu

- carefu l consideration , Ronal dL
. Due r Chie f Fligh t Instructor/Progra mCoordinato r Iow aLake s Communit

y Colleg e 30 0 Sout h 18** * Street Esthervill e , Iow a5133 4 712-362-796 1