[Cite as State v. Warman, 2017-Ohio-244.]

IN THE COURT OF APPEALS 

TWELFTH APPELLATE DISTRICT OF OHIO 

BUTLER COUNTY 

STATE OF OHIO, : 

 

 Plaintiff-Appellee, : CASE NO. CA2016-02-029 

 : O P I N I O N 

 - vs - 1/23/2017 

 : 

RYAN J. WARMAN, : 

 Defendant-Appellant. : 

CRIMINAL APPEAL FROM BUTLER COUNTY COURT OF COMMON PLEAS 

Case No. CR2015-10-1600 

Michael T. Gmoser, Butler County Prosecuting Attorney, Michael Greer, Government 

Services Center, 315 High Street, 11th Floor, Hamilton, Ohio 45011, for plaintiff-appellee 

Christopher P. Frederick, 300 High Street, Suite 550, Hamilton, Ohio 45011, for defendantappellant 

HENDRICKSON, J. 

{¶ 1} Defendant-appellant, Ryan Warman, appeals his conviction in the Butler 

County Court of Common Pleas for rape. For the reasons discussed below, we affirm 

Warman's conviction. 

{¶ 2} At the time of the offense, KG6 and KG5, sisters, lived with their father 
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("Father") and stepmother in Trenton, Ohio.1 Their mother ("Mother") had scheduled 

visitations with them. Mother lived with Warman in Trenton, Ohio, at her father's house. 

{¶ 3} Mother worked, which sometimes required Warman to pick up KG6 and KG5 

from Father's home at the beginning of Mother’s visitation. As relevant to the charges 

involved in this case, Warman picked up the children on June 5, 2015, to begin their twoweek visitation with Mother. Following the visit, KG6 revealed to Father and stepmother that 

Warman had showed her his penis and that she and KG5 played the "ring pop game" with 

Warman. After contacting police, Father and stepmother took KG6 and KG5 to the 

Mayerson Center, a child advocacy center located in Cincinnati Children's Hospital. There, 

Tracy Colliers, a social worker, interviewed both KG6 and KG5. 

{¶ 4} KG6 and KG5 told Colliers about the ring pop game. KG6 said she saw 

Warman's "wiener" and that "he said it was a blue ring pop but it was his wiener." KG5 said 

that she "tasted" Warman's "wiener" lots of times. The interviews were video-recorded and 

were observed live by a police detective in a different room. 

{¶ 5} Following the interviews, the detective asked Warman to speak with him at the 

police station. Warman voluntarily spoke with the police officer and waived his Miranda

rights. Warman denied that he sexually abused the girls and denied any knowledge of the 

ring pop game. 

{¶ 6} In October 2015, a Butler County grand jury indicted Warman on two counts of 

rape in violation of R.C. 2907.02(A)(1)(b), both felonies of the first degree. Count one 

alleged the rape of KG6. Count two alleged the rape of KG5. The case proceeded to a jury 

trial in January 2016. 

{¶ 7} KG6 testified that Warman picked her up in a car at Father’s house, where they 

 

1. Six and five refer to the girls' ages. 
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had just received ring pops.2 Both KG6 and KG5 were seated in the back of Warman's car, 

along with their four-year-old brother and a young child of Warman's. 

{¶ 8} Warman stopped the car at a "gas store," parked in the back and looked 

around. Warman then had KG6 move up to the front of the car and they played the ring pop 

game. He tied one of his grey shirts around her head. She had to "duck" and then Warman 

put his "wiener" in her mouth. 

{¶ 9} When asked to describe what "duck" meant, KG6 indicated by bending. She 

said when she bent over she was close to Warman's pants. Warman told her to "twirl all 

around" his penis with her tongue, which she did. 

{¶ 10} KG6 testified that Warman then attempted to get KG5 to play the ring pop 

game. He tied Mother's orange shirt around KG5's head. But KG5 would not "duck." So 

Warman returned to KG6 and put his penis in her mouth again. Warman told KG6 not to tell 

anyone about the game. They then drove to Warman's mother's house. 

{¶ 11} KG5 testified that she watched KG6 and Warman play the ring pop game. It 

happened at the "parking store" while she ate a ring pop and watched. According to KG5, 

Warman tied a shirt around KG6's face, put his "wiener" in KG6's mouth and used his hand 

to "bump" KG6's head "up and down, up and down." KG5 denied that she played the ring 

pop game. 

{¶ 12} Colliers testified concerning her interviews of KG6 and KG5 at the Mayerson 

Center. During her testimony, and over defense counsel's objection, the state was permitted 

to play the video of the KG6 interview in its entirety. During the interview, KG6 told Colliers 

that she played the ring pop game with Warman at a "drive thru." She said that Warman 

tried to play the game with KG5. Warman put a shirt around her eyes but she could see his 

 

2. Ring pops are suckers with the candy portion attached to a plastic ring that can be worn by a child as if they 

are wearing ring jewelry. 
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"wiener" through a "line on the bottom." Warman told her to "duck." He also told her "it was 

a blue ring pop but it was his wiener." Warman told her to "taste something off his wiener." It 

was food but she could not recall what it was. Then she recalled it was "chips."3

{¶ 13} During Colliers' cross-examination, defense counsel played the KG5 interview 

video.4 In the interview, KG5 told Colliers that she "tasted" Warman's wiener "a lot of times." 

She also stated that she "tasted food and someone's wiener." 

{¶ 14} Father and stepmother testified next. According to the couple, Warman picked 

up KG6 and KG5 from their home on June 5, 2015. The girls returned on or around June 21. 

On July 6, 2015, one of the children in the household told stepmother that KG6 was asking 

her younger brother to show her his penis. When confronted, KG6 told stepmother that 

Warman showed her his penis so she thought it was okay. She then told them about the ring 

pop game. 

{¶ 15} At the close of the state's evidence, Warman moved for acquittal under 

Crim.R. 29. With respect to counts one and two, defense counsel argued that the state failed 

to present sufficient proof of venue in Butler County. With respect to count two (the alleged 

rape of KG5), counsel argued that the state failed to present sufficient evidence that a rape 

occurred. The court overruled the motion. 

{¶ 16} Warman's parents testified in his case in chief. They live on the east side of 

Middletown, Butler County, Ohio. Warman's mother said she saw Warman, KG6, and KG5 

at around 9:00 p.m. on June 5 and that neither child appeared distraught. Warman's mother 

stated that she had never observed Warman behave inappropriately around children and that 

he treated KG6 and KG5 as if they were his own. 

 

3. There is no transcription of the video in the record and the quality of the audio makes it difficult to discern 

precisely whether KG6 said "chips" or something else. 

4. Defense counsel specifically moved to admit the video as an exception to hearsay pursuant to Evid.R. 803(4), 

despite having argued that KG6 video was inadmissible under the same rule. 
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{¶ 17} Warman then took the stand and stated that he picked up KG6 and KG5 from 

Father's home because Mother was at work. He stated that the children were eating ring 

pops when he arrived. According to Warman, he took the children to four locations after 

leaving Father’s home. First, they went to a park in Trenton where the children played for an 

hour. Then they went to a restaurant called Checkers and had ice cream. After that, they 

went to Jacot Park in Middletown. Finally, he took them briefly to his parents' house in 

Middletown before returning to Mother's home in Trenton. Warman denied raping KG6 and 

KG5. 

{¶ 18} The jury convicted Warman of count one, the rape of KG6. The jury found 

Warman not guilty of the alleged rape of KG5. The court sentenced Warman to an indefinite 

prison term of fifteen years to life. 

{¶ 19} Warman assigns four errors for our review. 

{¶ 20} Assignment of Error No. 1 

{¶ 21} THE TRIAL COURT VIOLATED MR. WARMAN'S RIGHTS TO DUE 

PROCESS AND FAIR TRIAL WHEN IT OVERRULED HIS JUDGEMENT FOR ACQUITTAL 

UNDER CRIMINAL RULE 29. 

{¶ 22} Even though the jury found him not guilty of count two, i.e., the alleged rape of 

KG5, Warman argues that the court erred in overruling his Crim.R. 29 motion for acquittal. 

Warman argues that rational jurors could not have concluded that he was guilty of raping 

KG5 because KG5 testified that she did not play the ring pop game. Furthermore, Warman 

argues that allowing the jury to consider count two prejudiced him with respect to his 

conviction for the rape of KG6. Finally, Warman argues that the state failed to prove venue. 

We address each argument in turn. 

Sufficiency of the Evidence 

{¶ 23} Appellate review of the denial of a Crim.R. 29 motion requires a sufficiency of 
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the evidence review. We examine the evidence admitted at trial to determine whether such 

evidence, viewed in a light most favorable to the prosecution, would convince the average 

mind of the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. State v. Jones, 12th Dist. Butler 

No. CA2012-03-049, 2013-Ohio-150, ¶ 17. 

{¶ 24} This court concludes that there was sufficient evidence admitted during the 

state's case to allow count two to be decided by the jury. Ironically, Warman himself 

introduced key evidence that supported the trial court’s decision to overrule his motion. 

During Colliers' testimony, defense counsel played the KG5 interview video. During the 

interview, KG5 tells Colliers that she "tasted" Warman's wiener "a lot of times." 

{¶ 25} Viewed in a light most favorable to the prosecution, this evidence was 

sufficient to permit rational jurors to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Warman was 

guilty of raping KG5. That KG5 testified otherwise at trial clearly affects the weight to be 

afforded to KG5's statement in the interview. However, a court does not weigh the evidence 

when assessing the sufficiency of the evidence. Accordingly, this argument is meritless. 

Compromised Verdicts 

{¶ 26} Warman contends that allowing the jury to decide count two prejudiced him 

because it subjected him to the possibility of a compromised jury verdict. Warman argues 

that the jury found him guilty of the rape of KG6 (a charge he argues was supported by little 

evidence) as a compromise for finding him not guilty of the rape of KG5 (a charge he asserts 

was supported by no evidence). 

{¶ 27} Warman cites several Ohio Supreme Court decisions that discuss 

compromised verdicts. These cases involved courts instructing jurors on lesser-included 

offenses where the facts admitted at trial could never establish the elements of the lesserincluded offense. One concern set forth in those cases is that juries could improperly decide 

to lessen punishment even in a case where they would find the defendant guilty of the 
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greater offense. Another concern is that juries could decide to convict a defendant of a 

lesser offense even though the defendant was not guilty of that offense, so as to leave the 

courtroom with a cleaner conscience. See, e.g., State v. Nolton, 19 Ohio St.2d 133 (1969). 

{¶ 28} The rationale in Nolton and the other compromised verdict cases is not 

applicable in this case. There was evidence admitted at trial to support both counts. 

Accordingly, it was proper to instruct the jury on both counts. 

{¶ 29} Moreover, there is no indication that the jury engaged in any compromise. The 

evidence against Warman for the rape of KG6 was strong and the jury convicted him. The 

evidence against Warman for the rape of KG5 was weak, and the jury found him not guilty. 

Accordingly, we find this argument meritless. 

Venue 

{¶ 30} Warman argues that the court erred in overruling his Crim.R. 29 motion 

regarding the state's failure to offer sufficient evidence establishing that the rape occurred in 

Butler County. Warman contends that neither KG6 or KG5 could testify where the offense 

occurred, variously describing the location as a "gas store," a "drive-thru" and a "parking 

store." The state argues that the evidence showed that Warman's trip with the children 

necessarily began and ended in Butler County, which was sufficient to permit jurors to 

determine venue. 

{¶ 31} Venue – which must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt – may be 

established circumstantially. State v. Birt, 12th Dist. Butler No. CA2012-02-031, 2013-Ohio1379, ¶ 27. This court concludes that there was sufficient evidence to allow rational jurors to 

determine beyond a reasonable doubt that the rape of KG6 occurred in Butler County. It was 

undisputed that Warman picked up KG6 at Father’s home in Trenton and that Trenton was 

located in Butler County. KG6 testified that Warman drove her and the other children to a 

"gas store" where she was raped. After that, they drove to Warman's parents' house, which 
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the evidence established was in Middletown, Ohio. The state also submitted evidence 

indicating that one would necessarily stay in Butler County when travelling from Trenton to 

Middletown. Therefore, the court did not err in denying Warman's Crim. R. 29 motion for 

acquittal for failure to offer sufficient evidence of venue. The first assignment of error is 

overruled. 

{¶ 32} Assignment of Error No. 2: 

{¶ 33} THE TRIAL COURT VIOLATED MR. WARMAN'S FEDERAL AND STATE 

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO DUE PROCESS AND FAIR TRIAL WHEN IT FAILED TO 

INSTRUCT THE JURY WITH A LESSER INCLUDED INSTRUCTION. 

{¶ 34} Warman argues that the court should have instructed the jury on gross sexual 

imposition on count one, as a lesser-included offense of rape. Warman contends that KG6's 

testimony concerning her physical contact with his penis was inconsistent, that during the 

Mayerson Center interview she variously stated that she tasted food off his penis, or licked 

his penis, or touched his penis. Warman argues that this evidence, viewed in a light most 

favorable to him, warranted a jury instruction on gross sexual imposition, which requires proof 

of "sexual contact" rather than "sexual conduct." 

{¶ 35} Jury instructions are matters left to the sound discretion of the trial court. State 

v. Tucker, 12th Dist. Butler No. CA2010-10-263, 2012-Ohio-139, ¶ 23. Therefore, this court 

reviews the trial court's decision refusing to provide the jury with a requested jury instruction 

for an abuse of discretion. An abuse of discretion implies that the court's decision was 

unreasonable, arbitrary, or unconscionable. Id.

{¶ 36} Rape of a person under 13 is prohibited by R.C. 2907.02(A)(1)(b). The statute 

requires the perpetrator to engage in "sexual conduct" with the victim. Fellatio is a form of 

"sexual conduct." R.C. 2907.01(A). The Revised Code does not define "fellatio," however, 

this court has previously defined it as "a sexual act in which the mouth or lips come into 
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contact with the penis." State v. Vansickle, 12th Dist. Fayette No. CA2013-03-005, 2014-

Ohio-1324, ¶ 88. The Ohio Jury Instructions define fellatio as "a sexual act committed with 

the penis and the mouth." Ohio Jury Instructions, CR Section 507.02(A)(1), comment 5. 

{¶ 37} Gross sexual imposition only requires proof of "sexual contact" with the victim, 

which is defined as: "any touching of an erogenous zone of another, including without 

limitation the thigh, genitals, buttock, pubic region, or, if the person is a female, a breast, for 

the purpose of sexually arousing or gratifying either person." R.C. 2907.01(B). 

{¶ 38} The evidence submitted at trial is the "crucial" component in determining 

whether to instruct jurors on a lesser-included offense. State v. Wine, 140 Ohio St.3d 409, 

2014-Ohio-3948, ¶ 21. A charge on a lesser-included offense is required only where the 

evidence presented at trial would reasonably support both an acquittal on the charged 

offense and a conviction on the lesser-included offense. In reviewing for the appropriateness 

of a lesser-included offense instruction, we must view the evidence in a light most favorable 

to the defendant. Id. 

{¶ 39} At trial, KG6 testified that Warman put his penis in her mouth and told her to 

"twirl all around it" with her tongue, which she did. In addition, KG5 testified that she watched 

Warman put a shirt over KG6’s face and put his wiener in her mouth. This evidence 

establishes fellatio and supports Warman's conviction for rape. 

{¶ 40} We do not view KG6's testimony at the Mayerson Center to have required the 

court to instruct the jury on gross sexual imposition. KG6 told Colliers she played the ring 

pop game and "it was a blue ring pop but it was his wiener." She also said she had to taste 

food off his wiener but could not recall what food it was. KG6's statements during the 

interview indicate to us that Warman used the ring pop game as the means to coerce a six 

year old into fellating him. Given KG6's and KG5’s trial testimony, there is nothing in this 

record that would reasonably suggest an acquittal on the rape charge but a conviction on 
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gross sexual imposition. In this case, the evidence was such that the jurors would either 

believe the girls’ testimony and find Warman guilty of rape, or not believe their testimony and 

find Warman not guilty. Accordingly, the second assignment of error is overruled. 

{¶ 41} Assignment of Error No. 3: 

{¶ 42} THE TRIAL COURT VIOLATED MR. WARMAN'S FEDERAL AND STATE 

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO DUE PROCESS AND FAIR TRIAL WHEN IT ADMITTED 

INADMISSIBLE HEARSAY TESTIMONY. 

{¶ 43} Warman argues that the trial court erred when it allowed the state to play 

Colliers' Mayerson Center interview of KG6. The court admitted the videotape pursuant to 

Evid.R. 803(4), the hearsay exceptions for statements made for the purpose of medical 

diagnosis or treatment. Warman argued that the interview was primarily a tool for the police 

investigation and was not for medical purposes. 

{¶ 44} At a pretrial motions hearing on the issue, Warman presented the testimony of 

a psychologist with experience in child sexual abuse issues. The psychologist testified that 

Mayerson Center interviews were designed for fact gathering in order to verify the credibility 

of allegations of sexual abuse. The psychologist further opined that Mayerson Center 

interviews were not like normal medical interviews because police were involved in the 

process. 

{¶ 45} The state called Colliers as a witness. She testified that she conducted 

"forensic" interviews at the Mayerson Center, and was trained to use non-leading methods of 

interrogation. On cross-examination, Colliers testified that she does not diagnose illnesses. 

KG6 and KG5 received no medical treatment after the interviews. 

{¶ 46} The admission or exclusion of evidence by the trial court is reviewed under an 

abuse of discretion standard. State v. Robb, 88 Ohio St.3d 59, 68 (2000). Hearsay is 

defined as "a statement, other than one made by the declarant while testifying at the trial or 
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hearing, offered in evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted." Evid.R. 801(C). 

Hearsay is generally not admissible unless an exception applies. Evid.R. 802. Evid.R. 

803(4) provides an exception to the hearsay rule as follows: "statements made for purposes 

of medical diagnosis or treatment and describing medical history, or past or present 

symptoms, pain, or sensations, or the inception or general character of the cause or external 

source thereof insofar as reasonably pertinent to diagnosis or treatment." 

{¶ 47} Hearsay statements made to a social worker may be admissible if they are 

made for purposes of medical diagnosis or treatment. State v. Muttart, 116 Ohio St.3d 5, 

2007-Ohio-5267. The Ohio Supreme Court considered the admissibility of statements given 

during interviews at child advocacy centers in State v. Arnold, 126 Ohio St.3d 290, 2010-

Ohio-2742. Arnold noted that these types of interviews seek to elicit two types of statements: 

statements for the purposes of medical diagnosis and treatment and forensic statements. Id.

at ¶ 33. 

{¶ 48} Arnold focused on the admissibility of these statements under the 

Confrontation Clause and not under Evid.R. 803(4). However, Arnold is instructive in 

identifying whether statements made to a social worker are primarily medical or forensic. 

Child-victim's statements that were necessary for medical diagnosis included the child's 

statements regarding the identity of the perpetrator, the type of abuse alleged, the time frame 

of the alleged abuse, and the identification of the areas where the child had been touched. 

Id. at ¶ 32, 38. On the other hand, statements such as the child's assertion that the offender 

shut and locked the door before raping her, the child's description of where others were in the 

house at the time of the rape, the child's statement that the offender removed her underwear, 

and the child's description of the offender's boxer shorts, were statements relating primarily to 

the investigation. Id. at ¶ 34, 36. 

{¶ 49} In the present case, Colliers testified that she conducted forensic interviews of 
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KG6 and KG5, which were video-recorded. A detective watched the interviews from another 

room, however, neither KG5 or KG6 were aware of the police presence. Colliers conducted 

the interview on her own and was not talking to the detective during the interview except for 

one instance where she left KG6's interview to momentarily speak with the detective before 

resuming. After the interviews were over, Colliers discussed with the family the availability of 

further medical or mental health evaluation. 

{¶ 50} With respect to KG6's interview, the video was over an hour long and was 

played in its entirety for the jury. The video begins with Colliers asking general questions of 

KG6 regarding safety. Colliers later asks KG6 questions concerning her knowledge about 

male and female anatomy, and asked her to identify body parts, including genitalia, on 

anatomically correct depictions of a nude girl and boy. Eventually, Colliers asks KG6 about 

the ring pop game. KG6 tells Colliers she played the ring pop game "one time" at a "drivethru." She identifies where she was located in the car when she played the game and where 

her siblings were located. She describes how Warman tried to play the ring pop game with 

her sister. She tells Colliers that Warman told her not to tell her mommy about the ring pop 

game. She describes seeing Warman's penis. She also states that she had to put a shirt 

around her eyes and that Warman told her to "duck." Finally, she states that Warman told 

her to taste some food on his penis but she forgot what kind of food it was. 

{¶ 51} Under Arnold, KG6's statements concerning the specifics of the sexual act she 

performed, i.e., how many times she did it, her physical interaction with his penis, and 

"ducking," were primarily for the purpose of medical treatment. However, the remaining 

information in the interview, including where the car was located, where she and her siblings 

were situated in the car, and that she had a shirt around her eyes were statements drawn 

from her primarily for a forensic or investigative purpose. Because these statements were 

not primarily for medical diagnosis or treatment they should not have been admitted under 
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the Evid.R. 803(4) hearsay exception. 

{¶ 52} Accordingly, some of the statements KG6 made in the interview did not fall 

under the hearsay exception for medical diagnosis or treatment, and therefore the admission 

of those statements was error to the extent that they were offered to prove the truth of the 

matter they asserted. However, such error was harmless as the state presented ample 

evidence other than the video-recorded interview to sustain Warman's conviction for the rape 

of KG6. Crim.R. 52(A); see State v. Richardson, 12th Dist. Clermont Nos. CA2014-03-023, 

CA2014-06-044, and CA2014-06-045, 2015-Ohio-824, ¶ 38. As will be discussed in greater 

detail in the next assignment of error, KG6 testified concerning the ring pop game and 

graphically described how Warman raped her. Her testimony was far more descriptive than 

what she discussed with Colliers during the interview. Accordingly, we are convinced that the 

jury necessarily relied on KG6's testimony rather than her recorded statements in concluding 

that Warman was guilty of raping her. Accordingly, the third assignment of error is overruled. 

{¶ 53} Assignment of Error No. 4: 

{¶ 54} MR. WARMAN'S CONVICTION AS TO COUNT ONE WAS AGAINST THE 

MANIFEST WEIGHT OF THE EVIDENCE. 

{¶ 55} Warman argues that his conviction for raping KG6 was against the manifest 

weight of the evidence. He contends that KG6 and KG5 lacked credibility and that their trial 

testimony was inconsistent with what they said in the Mayerson Center interviews. Warman 

argues that KG6 appeared normal to Warman's parents immediately after the alleged rape 

occurred and that KG6 did not disclose the abuse until much later. Warman also contends 

that the evidence indicates that KG6's and KG5's testimony may have been tainted or 

influenced by Father and stepmother. Finally, Warman points out that his witnesses testified 

that he was a wonderful father and had a great relationship with both KG6 and KG5. 

{¶ 56} In determining whether a judgment is against the manifest weight of the 
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evidence, an appellate court must look at the entire record, weigh the evidence and all 

reasonable inferences, consider the credibility of witnesses, and determine whether in 

resolving conflicts in the evidence, the trier of fact clearly lost its way and created such a 

manifest miscarriage of justice that the conviction must be reversed and a new trial ordered. 

State v. Cooper, 12th Dist. Butler No. CA2010-05-113, 2011-Ohio-1630, ¶ 7. The 

discretionary power to grant a new trial should be exercised only in exceptional cases where 

the evidence weighs heavily against the conviction. State v. Thompkins, 78 Ohio St.3d 380, 

387 (1997). 

{¶ 57} After a thorough review of the record, we find that Warman's conviction for 

raping KG6 was not against the manifest weight of the evidence. At trial, KG6 convincingly 

described being raped in terms a six year old would use to convey sexual abuse. She 

testified that Warman parked in the back of a "gas store." He looked around before he 

began the abuse. Warman had her move into the front seat, tied a shirt around her eyes, 

told her to "duck," then put his penis in her mouth. She explained that "duck" meant to bend 

over. He instructed her to "twirl all around" his penis with her tongue, which she did. KG6 

also described how Warman stopped raping her and attempted to rape KG5, who refused to 

"duck." So he raped KG6 again. 

{¶ 58} KG5 corroborated KG6's testimony. KG5 also used child-like terms to 

describe the abuse. KG5 testified that she watched the ring pop game but did not play 

because she did not want to. She saw Warman's "wiener" go into KG6's mouth and that he 

"bumped" KG6's head "up and down, up and down." 

{¶ 59} The jury found KG6's and KG5's testimony believable and we defer to the 

factfinder with respect to credibility determinations. Warman argues that KG6's Mayerson 

Center statement about "tasting" food off of his penis was inconsistent with her description of 

fellatio at trial, but we do not find the interview to be inconsistent. KG6's statements about 
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food could explain Warman's method of coercing KG6 to fellate him. This is corroborated by 

KG6's interview statement that "[Warman] said it was a blue ring pop but it was his wiener." 

Moreover, to the extent that there were any inconsistencies in the Mayerson Center 

interviews and the victims' trial testimony, the jury was able to view both videos in their 

entirety and could consider the effect of any perceived inconsistencies during their 

deliberations. 

{¶ 60} Warman's argument that KG6's and KG5's testimony could have been 

"tainted" or "influenced" by Father and stepmother was presented in Warman's defense but 

there was no credible evidence to support this theory. The length of time it took KG6 to 

report the abuse was not unusual especially given Warman's admonition not to tell anyone. 

Warman's reputation as a good father and his pre-existing relationship with the children was 

also presented to the jury but has little bearing on whether the jury believed KG6's testimony. 

 The jury could accept both that he had a reputation as a good father and had a good 

relationship with KG6 but nevertheless raped her. In sum, we do not find that the jury lost its 

way or created such a manifest miscarriage of justice that Warman's conviction must be 

reversed. Consequently, the fourth assignment of error is overruled. 

{¶ 61} Judgment affirmed. 

 M. POWELL, P.J., concurs. 

 PIPER, J., concurs separately. 

PIPER, J., concurring separately.

{¶ 62} I concur with the majority in overruling Warman’s third assignment of error but 

my analysis concludes it was not an error for the trial court to admit into evidence KG6's 
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entire out-of-court statement.5 

{¶ 63} As the committee note attendant to Evid.R. 803(4) suggests, the medical 

diagnosis or treatment hearsay exception should not be a conduit through which matters of 

no medical significance would be admitted. Yet, this court has noted the important "dual 

role" of nurses and social workers who interview children alleging sexual abuse. State v. 

Rose, 12th Dist. Butler No. CA2011-11-214, 2012-Ohio-5607, ¶ 42. The committee note 

attendant to Evid.R. 803(4) also suggests that the information elicited for purposes of medical 

treatment is not inadmissible at a later trial merely because that information subsequently 

serves the purpose of a criminal prosecution. When offered, or elicited, for the primary 

purpose of medical diagnosis or treatment, the artificial distinctions between the dual 

purposes served are to be avoided. 

{¶ 64} The majority opinion suggests it was an error for the trial court to admit certain 

sentences within KG6's statement as they identify who else may have been present, the 

physical proximity of each person to one another, and where the abuse took place. To parse 

out these sentences as being solely testimonial, or forensic, and not reasonably pertinent for 

medical purposes seems misguided. 

{¶ 65} "Easy" conversation with a little person often makes that child feel more 

comfortable and thus more likely to discuss difficult topics. Factual conversation leading up 

to the sensitive subjects involving sexual contact or conduct helps in obtaining important 

information. Similarly, showing interest in a child’s conversation also makes it easier for 

 

5. Warman’s third assignment of error does not argue a violation of the Confrontation Clause but merely that 

Evid.R. 803(4) required the trial court to exclude KG6's out-of-court video statement. Warman does not argue a 

violation of the Confrontation Clause because "when the declarant appears for cross-examination at trial, the 

Confrontation Clause places no constraints at all on the use of * * * prior testimonial statements." Crawford v. 

Washington, 541 U.S. 36, 124 S. Ct. 1354 (2004), fn. 9. It is the "opportunity" for cross-examination that the 

Confrontation Clause guarantees. State v. Arnold, 147 Ohio St.3d 138, 2016-Ohio-1595, ¶ 68. KG6 did, in fact, 

testify and was cross-examined and Warman's trial counsel had possession of her out-of-court statement prior to 

trial thereby possessing the opportunity for cross-examination. See State v. Louis, 4th Dist. Scioto No. 

15CA3693, 2016-Ohio-7596, ¶ 51. 
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some young people to talk about difficult subjects. Some in the legal community seem to 

propose the trained facilitators of treatment for those sexually abused avoid peripheral facts. 

This is unworkable. 

{¶ 66} Conversation is often necessary in order to approach difficult topics and 

cannot be discussed bluntly or in isolation.6 Children are oriented to time, space, and 

distance very differently than adults. Discussing occurrences sequentially often aids children 

in their reporting accuracy. Ensuring accuracy to the greatest extent possible is reasonably 

pertinent to medical diagnosis and treatment. Since Colliers was a properly trained specialist 

working on behalf of the medical team at the Mayerson Center, and apparently followed 

appropriate protocol, I cannot find the information the majority determines was an error for 

the trial court to admit into evidence was an abuse of discretion on the trial court's part. 

{¶ 67} A trial court has broad discretion in admitting or excluding evidence, and a trial 

court's ruling in admitting evidence will be upheld absent an abuse of discretion. Rose, 2012-

Ohio-5607, ¶ 41. "The salient inquiry when determining whether a hearsay statement is 

admissible under Evid.R. 803(4) is whether the statement was made for purposes of 

diagnosis or treatment rather than for some other purpose." Id. at ¶ 42, citing State v. 

Muttart, 116 Ohio St.3d 5, 2007-Ohio-5267, ¶ 47. Admission of evidence pursuant to Evid.R. 

803(4) pivots on when, how, and under what circumstances the out-of-court statements are 

generated in order to determine the purpose for which it was generated; it does not pivot on 

its subsequent use. 

{¶ 68} Several factors are considered when determining the purpose of a child's 

 

6. Interviewing children is a unique challenge particularly with children victimized by abuse of a sexual nature. 

This challenge is often assigned to social workers and nurses with specialized training. The setting, technique, 

nature of harm, and means to elicit and evaluate information is both an art and a science, and the subject of 

numerous treatises. See, e.g., Clow, Throwing a Toy Wrench in the "Greatest Legal Engine": Child Witnesses 

and the Confrontation Clause, 92 Wash. U. L. Rev. 793 (2015); Russell, Documentation and Assessment of 

Children's Forensic Interview Statements, 16 Widener L. Rev. 305 (2010); see also Ohio v. Clark, 576 U.S. ___, 

135 S.Ct. 2173 (2015). 
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statements made to either a nurse or social worker regarding sexual abuse. The factors are 

fact-dependent and may include the following: 

1) Whether the child was questioned in a leading or suggestive 

manner; 

2) Whether there is a motive to fabricate, such as a pending legal 

proceeding or bitter custody battle; 

3) Whether the child understood the need to tell the physician the 

truth; 

4) Whether the age of the particular child making the statements 

suggest the absence or presence of an ability to fabricate; 

5) Whether the child was consistent in her declarations; and 

6) The manner in which a physician or medical provided elicited 

or pursued a disclosure of abuse by a child victim as shown by 

evidence of the proper protocol for interviewing children 

alleging sexual abuse. 

Muttart at ¶ 49. 

{¶ 70} The inception of sexual abuse activities includes the general character of its 

cause and its source as well as any associated symptoms, pain, or sensations. Evid.R. 

803(4). Obviously, explanations of sexual abuse will involve facts and details, some at the 

end of the day more relevant than others to later diagnosis or treatment. Simply because 

facts gathered for medical reasons may eventually be less significant, does not mean that 

they were not originally offered, or generated, for pertinent medical purposes rather than for 

the purposes of preserving testimony for criminal prosecution. 

{¶ 71} Narrative accounts can be reasonably pertinent in establishing a potential 

diagnosis or treatment. Even though the victim's narrative account offered to medical 

personnel can subsequently be used by law enforcement in a criminal prosecution does not 

prevent the statement from being admitted into evidence pursuant to Evid.R. 803(4). State 

v. Thomas, 8th Dist. Cuyahoga No. 101202, 2015-Ohio-415, ¶ 24. 
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{¶ 72} A description of an abusive encounter has consistently been determined to be 

within the scope of statements offered for medical treatment or diagnosis. State v. Diaz, 8th 

Dist. Cuyahoga No. 103878, 2016-Ohio-5523, ¶ 33-34. A narrative account containing 

peripheral details as the victim recounts abusive activities can be made for the primary 

purpose of medical diagnosis or treatment. State v. Williams, 1st Dist. Hamilton No. C140199, 2015-Ohio-3968, ¶ 31-34. 

{¶ 73} "[F]acts associated with the rape are relevant for medical diagnosis and 

treatment * * *. A patient's statements concerning how the alleged rape occurred can be 

relevant to show the 'general cause or external source thereof insofar as reasonably 

pertinent to diagnosis or treatment * * *.'" Diaz at ¶ 34, citing State v. Menton, 7th Dist. 

Mahoning No. 07 MA 70, 2009-Ohio-4640, ¶ 51 (holding that a description of how a sexual 

assault took place was part of the victim's medical history). 

{¶ 74} For example, the majority takes exception to medical personnel ascertaining 

that KG6's sexual abuse occurred while she was blindfolded. Certainly, such fact could aid in 

explaining to medical providers KG6's injuries, sensations, pain or the lack thereof, or her 

limited ability to report the same in determining potential medical needs. If the victim had 

been blind it would be relevant. Then too, it should be relevant if the victim was artificially 

blinded. Assessing a child's reporting abilities and determining the facts surrounding 

allegations, and how such allegations occurred, are prudent factual inquiries and are 

reasonably pertinent to potential medical purposes. While medical treatment occurs in a 

sterile environment, it is not one without the need for context. 

{¶ 75} Even Warman's expert testified at a motion in limine that sexual abuse 

interviews taking place at the Mayerson Center were unique. He acknowledged the need for 

fact-gathering in order to substantiate allegations and ascertain credibility for purposes of 

diagnosis and treatment. Even if Warman's assignment of error had focused on the 
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Confrontation Clause instead of just Evid.R. 803(4), we should take note that the United 

States Supreme Court in assessing an individual's constitutional right to confront one's 

accuser has "never suggested * * * that the Confrontation Clause bars the introduction of all 

out-of-court statements that support the prosecution's case. Instead, we ask whether a 

statement was given with the 'primary purpose of creating an out-of-court substitute for trial 

testimony.'" Clark, 135 S.Ct. 2173, 2183, citing Michigan v. Bryant, 562 U.S. 344, 358, 131 

S.Ct. 1143 (2011). 

{¶ 76} In reviewing the factors found in Muttart, and examining our record, I cannot 

find the context in which the sexual abuse occurred or how it occurred, was unnecessary, or 

not pertinent for medical diagnosis or treatment within the purview of Evid.R. 803(4). 

Similarly, if an analysis as found in Arnold involving the Confrontation Clause becomes 

relevant I would find KG6's statement to Colliers at the Mayerson Center to be offered and 

elicited primarily for the purposes of medical treatment and not as a substitute for trial 

testimony. See Clark at id.

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{¶ 77} Even if KG6's statement should be scrutinized for specific content, or portions, 

our appellate review should note that Warman's counsel neither at trial or upon appeal 

argued any specific content, portions, or pieces of KG6's statement were inadmissible. At 

trial, defense counsel made no objections specific to the sentences the majority now extracts 

as objectionable. Similarly, Warman's appellate counsel made no argument directed to the 

parsed sentences the majority singles out as inadmissible. Therefore, the state has never 

had an opportunity to suggest why such statements were reasonably pertinent to medical 

diagnosis or treatment. Therefore, I find it impossible to determine the trial court committed 

an error in its evidentiary ruling. Since Warman's trial counsel gave a general objection to 

 

7. Arnold gives guidance to the majority’s analysis. However, the circumstances in Arnold involved a child victim 

who did not give testimony at trial. 
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KG6's out-of-court statement coming into evidence but did not object to any particular content 

or sentences, I would find any claimed error as to such content or sentences waived. 

{¶ 78} As a concluding note, I find it somewhat disingenuous that Warman's counsel 

suggests that KG6's out-of-court statement should not be admitted pursuant to Evid.R. 

803(4) where Warman's counsel at trial admitted KG5's out-of-court statement into evidence 

pursuant to Evid.R. 803(4). Warman's trial counsel did not ask for any type of redaction at 

trial and Warman's appellate counsel did not suggest the trial court erred in failing to redact 

KG6's statement. Therefore, the trial court did not commit an error in failing to redact 

portions of KG6's statement as suggested by the majority opinion. 

{¶ 79} While I concur with the majority opinion in all other matters, I write separately 

as to the third assignment of error because the trial court admitted KG6's entire statement 

because it was reasonably pertinent to the medical diagnosis or treatment of KG6 and 

admitted properly pursuant to Evid.R. 803(4).