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Friday , Marc h16 , 201 2 Vi a Teleconferenc e Th e above-entitle dmatte r cam e o n fo r hearing , pursuan t t o notice , a t 3:0 0 p.m . BEFORE : TH E HONORABL E RONNI E A . YODER ,

CHIE F ADMINISTRATIV E LAWJUDG E

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O nBehal f o f th e Complainant . Federa l Aviatio nAdministration :

JOH NC . STUART , ESQ . of : Offic e o f Chie f Counse l Enforcemen t Division , AGC-30 0 Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n 8 0 0 Independenc e Avenu e S.W . Washington , D C 2059 1 (202 ) 267-995 8



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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G- S (3:0 7 p.m. ) JUDG E YODER : Okay , than k yo u ver y much . Gentlemen , thi s pre-hearin g conferenc e operate s unde r th e sam e rule s a s w e use di n th e previou s one , s o I won' t repea t the mfo r you . Bu t ther e wer e a coupl e o f question s tha t aros e byreaso no f thing s tha t wer e o r wer e no t filed , an dI though t rathe r tha nissu e order s lik e som e peopl e do , whic hproduce s a resul t wher e ship s pas s eac hothe r night , I figure di t woul db e nic e t o fin dou t wha t th e rea l fact s are . An dI' mhopefu l tha t yo u folk s ca nhel p m e wit hthat .

Mr . Wallaesa , whe nw e las t ha dth e pre-hearin g conferenc e I directe dyo u t o fil e a cop yo f th e gran djur ytranscript . An dwha t I receive da s a consequenc e wa s initiall yyou r memorandu m

wit hon e pag e o f on e o f th e transcripts . And , a t th e sam e time , I gathe r yo u sen t a cop yt o u s byFedE xwhic hattache d th e entir e transcrip t o f tha t on e witness , an d

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w e eventuall yreceive di nMarc hafte r th e las t pre-hearin g conference . So , that' s whyw e didn' t understan dwha t yo u wer e referrin g t o whe nyo u referre dt o havin g file dth e transcrip t wit hth e dockets . D o yo u se e wha t I mean ? MR . WALLAESA : No t really .

JUDG E YODER : Okay . Yo u had , i n fact , sen t tha t transcrip t o f tha t witnes s t o th e docket s whe nyo u file dyou r motion . Right ?

MR . WALLAESA : In ? JUDG E YODER : I nNovember . You r answe r t o th e motion .

MR . WALLAESA : Yes , that' s correct . JUDG E YODER ; You r answe r t o th e filin g o nth e leve l o f penalty .

MR . WALLAESA : Yes . JUDG E YODER : Becaus e th e on e tha t woun du p i nth e docket s ha dtha t i nit , bu t w e didn ' t hav e tha t whe nw e las t spoke , s o I didn' t kno wyo u ha dactuall yfile dth e whol e

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2 ha don e page , s o that' s whyw e go t i nth e 3 conversatio nlas t time. 4 But , a s I pointe dout , i nth e 5 judge' s order , h e directe dth e prosecuto r i n 6 th e crimina l cas e t o provid e yo u wit ha 7 complet e cop yo f th e transcrip t o f th e gran d 8 jur yproceedings . D o yo u kno wwha t I mean ? 9 MR . WALLAESA : Yes . 1 0 JUDG E YODER : Okay . I woul dassum e 1 1 tha t ther e wa s mor e tha non e witnes s tha t 1 2 testifie di nth e gran djury . 1 3 MR . WALLAESA : I woul dhav e t o 1 4 assum e that , I guess . 1 5 JUDG E YODER : Well , myquestio n 1 6 the ni s wher e i s th e res t o f th e transcript , 1 7 becaus e al l yo u submitte dwa s on ewitness . Le t 1 8 m e hel p yo u understan dwhythi s i s important . 1 9 Thi s i s goin g t o b e testimon yby 2 0 peopl e wh o a t a hearin g wil l b e testifyin g 

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E YODER : I t wil l b e importan t

t o se e - - t o hav e thei r previou s testimon y availabl e s o w e ca nse e whethe r i t i s th e sam e
o r different . D o yo u understand ?

MR . WALLAESA : I understand . JUDG E YODER : Okay . So , d o yo u kno w whethe r yo u hav e th e transcript s fo r th e othe r witnesse s befor e th e gran djury ?

MR . WALLAESA : I'l l hav e t o check . I sen t yo u wha t I though t I had .

JUDG E YODER : Well , al l yo u sen t m e
wa s on e witness .

MR . WALLAESA : Mr . McPeak . JUDG E YODER : Yes . MR . WALLAESA : Actually , it' s tw o witnesses , i t shoul dhav e bee ntw o witnesses . th e FBI . JUDG E YODER : Yo u thin k yo u sen t tw o witnesses ?

MR . WALLAESA : I t wa s Mr . McPea k

an di nbetwee nther e i s th e FB I Agent .

JUDG E YODER : Le t m e see . I'v e go t

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 McPeak . Wasn' t h e th e FB I Agent ? No , Specia l

Agen t Mollic a wa s th e FB I Agent .

MR . WALLAESA : Yes , McPea k wa s th e bos s i nLa s Vegas .

JUDG E YODER : Okay , bu t d o yo u hav e Mollica ? Mollic a i s no t attache dt o th e cop y attache dt o you r answe r t o th e Complainant' s memorandum .

start s - - MR . WALLAESA : Yes , h e is . H e

JUDG E YODER : Excus e me , bu t I' m lookin g a t th e documen t tha t yo u sent . Wha t yo u sen t onl yha s McPeak , no t Mollica . Han g o n jus t a second . Yo u als o sen t a certifie d documen t fro m

th e docket , an dI didn' t mea nt o mak e yo u d o that , becaus e I don' t reall ynee d certifie dcopie s o f thing s i nou r ow ndocket . Let' s se e wha t we'v e go t here . Thi s look s lik e

- - thi s say s it' s th e testimon yo f McPeak . An d yo u thin k - - th e thin g tha t yo u sen t i s a certifie dcopy ? Yo u though t als o ha dMollica ? Hello ?

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . WALLAESA : Yes . Yes , sir . JUDG E YODER : I don' t se e anythin g
o nMollica . So , th e poin t i s - - pardo nme ?

COUR T REPORTER : Pardo nme , You r Honor , thi s i s th e cour t reporter . I wa s wonderin g i f yo u coul ddirec t Mr . Wallaes a t o spea k a littl e mor e loudly ?

JUDG E YODER : Certainly . COUR T REPORTER : I' mhavin g troubl e pickin g hi mup .

JUDG E YODER : Okay . Mr . Wallaes a — MR . WALLAESA : A s I' mlookin g throug hth e document s there' s informatio n- -

JUDG E YODER : Ar e yo u o na speake r phone ? MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I am .

JUDG E YODER : Ca nyo u manag e withou t it ?MR . WALLAESA : I' msorry , I cannot .

JUDG E YODER : Okay . MR . WALLAESA : It' s jus t a matte r
o f havin g th e informatio na t m ydisposal .

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• 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E YODER : Oka ythen , ge t close r

t o th e speake r phone .

MR . WALLAESA : Yes . JUDG E YODER : Okay . MR . WALLAESA : Yes . JUDG E YODER : Okay . So , i f yo u kno w yo u hav e Mollica' s tha t need s t o b e sen t t o u s . MR . WALLAESA : Okay .

JUDG E YODER : Bu t irrespectiv e o f wha t yo u kno wabou t wha t yo u have , everythin g tha t yo u hav e o ntha t gran djur yproceedin g need s t o b e sen t t o us . An di f yo u don' t hav e al l o f th e transcript s o f th e testimon ya t th e gran djur yproceeding , yo u ough t t o se e i f yo u ca nge t the mfro mth e attorne ywh o represente d yo u becaus e th e judg e directe dth e prosecuto r t o provid e yo u wit hthos e transcripts .

MR . WALLAESA : Okay . JUDG E YODER : Okay ? An dw e ough t t o hav e thos e befor e w e g o forward , s o that' s th e principa l thin g I wante dt o clarify . I wa s o n

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e verg e o f sendin g ou t a norde r t o requir e

yo u t o suppl yth e ful l thing , bu t I though t i t woul db e nic e t o kno wwhethe r yo u actuall y kne wanythin g abou t th e ful l thing .

So , no ww e kno wtha t an dyo u chec k
an dmak e sur e tha t yo u sen dm e an dth e Complainant ' s counse l a cop yo f everythin g tha t yo u hav e o nth e gran djur yproceeding . An di f yo u don' t hav e everythin g contac t you r attorne yand/o r th e prosecuto r an dmak e sur e yo u ge t everything . D o yo u understand ?

MR . WALLAESA : I alread yhav e don e that . I don' t believ e I hav e everything .

JUDG E YODER : Yo u alread yhav e contacte dyou r attorney ?

MR . WALLAESA : I hav e contacte d- - no t i nthi s year , i nNovembe r o f las t year .

JUDG E YODER : Well , contac t hi mno w an dtel l hi m

tha t there' s thi s judg e up i n Washingto nwh o say s h e need s t o provid e yo u wit hth e whol e thing .

MR . WALLAESA : Okay .

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1 JUDG E YODER : An d i f h e want s t o 2 chec k wit hme , he' s mor e tha nwelcom e t o d o 3 that , o r I ca ndea l wit hhi mdirectly . Yo u 4 understan dwha t I' m saying ? 5 MR . WALLAESA : I understan dwha t 6 you'r e saying . 7 JUDG E YODER : Okay , good . A l 1 8 right . So , tha t wa s th e firs t an dprimar y 9 thin g I neede dt o ge t take ncar e of . I woul d 1 0 lik e t o se e tha t ge t take ncar e o f withi nth e 1 1 nex t wee k o r two . D o yo u thin k that' s doable ? 1 2 MR . WALLAESA : Yes , I do , it' s jus t 1 3 th e timin g o f informatio nthroug hphon e an d 1 4 email . 1 5 JUDG E YODER : Oh , I know . I know , 1 6 bu t let' s se t a dat e anyway . 1 7 MR . WALLAESA : I know . I wan t t o 1 8 wor k o ni t a s fas t a s possible . I don' t wan t 1 9 t o hol dof f o nit . I jus t wan t t o - - 2 0 JUDG E YODER : I understan dthat . W e 2 1 wil l assum e tha t you'l l d o tha t byMarc h30 . 2 2 That'l l b e tw o week s fro mtoday .

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• 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . WALLAESA : That' s fine . JUDG E YODER : Okay ? MR . WALLAESA : Okay . JUDG E YODER : An di f yo u can' t d o i t o r haven' t finishe ddoin g i t bythen , yo u contac t m e an dwe'l l wor k o na differen t date . Okay ? MR ; WALLAESA : Okay .

JUDG E YODER : Al l right . That' s th e firs t thing . Th e secon dthin g wa s tha t yo u ha d undertake nt o provid e financia l dat a b yth e 14'^ hj^ £ y^ ^wer e goin g t o rais e abilit yt o pa y a s a nissue . Di dyo u d o that , an dar e yo u goin g t o rais e abilit yt o pa ya s a nissue ?

MR . WALLAESA : No , I' mnot . JUDG E YODER : Okay , you'v e no t provide dfinancia l data . An da s fa r a s you'r e concerne dw e don' t hav e t o worr yabou t whethe r yo u don' t hav e anymone yi nconsiderin g whethe r th e penalt yshoul db e $5,500 .

MR . WALLAESA : Yes . JUDG E YODER : Okay .

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1 MR . WALLAESA : I apologiz e fo r tha t 2 bu t i f I dra g i t ou t fo r tw o year s it' s goin g 3 t o g o - - I' m no t goin g t o bac k dow nfro m tha t 4 now . 5 JUDG E YODER : I' msorry , I' mno t 6 sur e wha t yo u jus t said . 7 MR . WALLAESA : I requeste da tria l 8 tw o year s ago . I f I waite dtw o year s I' mno t 9 goin g t o - - i f I didn' t conside r i t fo r tw o 1 0 year s it' s no t goin g t o - - 1 1 JUDG E YODER : It' s no t a questio n 1 2 whethe r yo u considere dit , it' s a questio no f 1 3 whethe r it' s goin g t o b e considere da t th e 1 4 hearing . 1 5 MR . WALLAESA : I understan dthat . 1 6 That' s wha t I' msaying , i s I don' t wan t i t t o 1 7 b e considered . 1 8 JUDG E YODER : Yo u don' t wan t t o pu t 1 9 i ninformatio nconcernin g you r financia l 2 0 ability . 2 1 MR . WALLAESA : No
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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . WALLAESA : Tha t i s correct . JUDG E YODER : Okay , I go t it . Al l right . A s I mentione dt o yo u before , tha t i s on e o f th e principa l reason s tha t th e Administrato r ha s allowe di nconsiderin g a lowe r penalt ytha ntha t requeste dbyth e Complainant . An dI jus t wan t t o mak e sur e yo u understan dthat .

Okay . So , i f there' s no t goin g t o b e anyfinancia l dat a forthcoming , i s ther e goin g t o b e anypossibilit yo f yo u folk s talkin g furthe r abou t a settlemen t o f thi s case ? MR . STUART : Judge , th e FA Ai s ope n t o settling , bu t fro mpreviou s discussion s wit hMr . Wallaesa , I don' t kno wthat' s a n optio no nhi s end . I gues s i t woul db e u p t o him . JUDG E YODER : Mr . Wallaesa , ar e yo u i na positio nwher e yo u ca nundertak e t o discus s settlemen t furthe r wit hComplainant ?

MR . WALLAESA : Again , it' s bee ntw o

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 years . I don' t - - I woul drathe r se e thi s g o

al l th e way .

JUDG E YODER : I see , okay . Al l right . Well , the nw e hav e a dat e fo r tw o week s fro mtoda yfo r th e submissio no f tha t gran d jur ytranscrip t material , an dsinc e i t doesn' t loo k lik e there' s goin g t o b e anyfurthe r mov e toward s settlement , I wil l mov e ahea dwit h tryin g t o se t thi s fo r a hearin g date , whic h i s complicate dbyth e fac t tha t I don' t hav e a hearin g room . Bu t I d o hav e a windo wo f availabilit ytha t I kno wo f no wa t th e Internationa l Trad e Commissio nbetwee nMarc h 1 5 an d- - 1 4 an d25 , somewher e i nthere . Excus e me , no t March , May , betwee nMa y1 4 an d 2 5 . Tha t i s thei r las t repor t t o me , s o wh o know s wha t thei r nex t repor t t o m e wil l be . Bu t whe nI las t spok e t o the mi t looke dlik e tha t wa s a possibl e windo wo f hearin g opportunity . So , I wil l aler t bot hpartie s t o th e fac t tha t a hearin g ma yb e se t durin g tha t tim e period .

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selectin g th e dat e fo r a hearing , unlik e th e pre-hearin g conferences . W e fi xa dat e fo r a hearing , an dpeopl e sho wup . Ar e w e clear ?

MR . WALLAESA : Understood . JUDG E YODER ; Okay . A l 1 right . I don' t kno wtha t there' s anythin g furthe r w e ca nd o today . Yo u le t u s hav e tha t informatio n byth e 3 0''^ . Hopefully , tha t mean s i nhand , Mr . Wallaesa , s o yo u FedE xi t t o DO T a t th e sam e addres s yo u di dbefore . Hopefull ythe y no whav e th e messag e tha t w e stil l exist , an d the ywon' t us e i t an dsen di t bac k t o yo u lik e the yapparentl ydi dlas t time .

MR . WALLAESA : Well , I believ e las t tim e ther e wa s a nissu e i nwha t roo mt o delive r i t to . The ykne wth e buildin g bu t the y didn' t kno wth e room .

JUDG E YODER : Well , jus t S O you'l l understand , th e fac t i s tha t DO T ha s a bran d
ne wbuildin g abou t fou r year s ol ddow nth e stree t whic hhouse s mos t o f DOT . An dw e wer e

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1 ther e unti l September . The nthe ymove du s ou t 2 o f ther e up th e street , bu t al l o f ou r mai l i s 3 stil l suppose dt o b e delivere ddow nthere , an d 4 it' s brough t up her e fro mdow nthere . So , whe n 5 the ytrie dt o delive r i t dow nthere , 6 apparentl yth e guar dpeopl e o r whoeve r 7 receive dthi s envelop e looke da t hi s shee t an d 8 didn' t se e anyJudg e Yode r dow nthere . And , 9 consequentl ytol dthe mno , he' s no t here . An d 1 0 that' s whyi t apparentl ycam e bac k t o you . 1 1 MR . WALLAESA : Okay , s o th e correc t 1 2 addres s i s Ne wJerse yAvenue . 1 3 JUDG E YODER : That' s right . That' s 1 4 th e correc t addres s an d'it' s suppose dt o g o 1 5 there , an dthe nthey'r e suppose dt o ge t i t up 1 6 t o m e promptly . Bu t base do nwha t you'v e sai d 1 7 today , I thin k I hear dyo u saytha t yo u kno w 1 8 yo u hav e a t leas t on e mor e transcrip t fro mth e 1 9 gran djur yproceeding . An dwha t yo u nee d t o d o 2 0i s chec k an dmak e sur e yo u sen du s whateve r 2 1 yo u have . Whe nI sa y"us , " I mea nth e 2 2 Complainan t an dth e Judge .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Stuart ? MR . WALLAESA : Yes . JUDG E YODER : Okay ? MR . WALLAESA : Okay , sir . JUDG E YODER : Anythin g further , M r

MR . STUART : No , You r Honor . JUDG E YODER : Okay . Well , than k yo u bot hfo r showin g u p o nthi s shor t turnaroun d pre-hearing , bu t I though t w e neede dt o ge t thi s resolve drigh t away . An di f there' s nothin g furthe r tha t conclude s th e pre-hearin g conference . Than k yo u both .

MR . STUART : Than k you , Judge . (Whereupon , th e proceeding s wen t of f th e recor da t 3:2 3 p.m. )

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