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N0. 12.p. 2. C

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iu=..t=.'t" ..:_:9292s?. 1. tux"

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1 Safety,Phoenix,.~92riz., May'1972, vol.41. ;2'_i92'o. 5,-6. :31adio Communications Department Serves

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Law Enforcementin North Dakota, by

Aldrell G. Brose,Director,North Dakota

Bisma N. Dale. April 1972, vol. 41.

No.4,p.25. '

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~t§i.1..=' *:92!*-t'._-.-.

Z1 §Abuse. byRonaldl!. Kuest,Chief1n2 2 92'cstigr.t<-r, DrugControlAssistance Unit,

'. =1-1 ".ttr~ltlX.!:iut92 St.--- Patrol, Olympia, 5ZF,§l";t.~l| f.:nuarj-' 1972, ml. 41. Nu. 1,p.10.

Bl l.a9292' Enforretm-nt'l'rainin__- .-'1tlvisory

*5 Committee Convt-ztes. Nove-n1bcr 1972,

26 vol.41,No.11,p.14.

§7.921ol1ile Firing Range.December1972,vol.

wg 41, No. 12,p. 15.

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O CounvPublicSafetyDepartntent. Miami,

1 17111., January1972vol41,_92'.t_ 1_;_1_1___

Z.92lODEl - -:92lobile On-Duty Llectronic

3 Lean.'2 byCapt.JohnG.Parsons, Po-

: liceDepartment. iieaumont, 'l'ex., May

1972, 41, No. 5. p. 19. $ThePm.-2Otlicer: Primary 'l'arget of the

l.71'b.1n Guerrilla, 1"<-bruary1972,vol. 41,

- N0.2 ,.. 21.

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3 Director. MontanaLawEnforcement

, Aeadt.1. Bozt-man.Mont" December

"' 1972.vol.41,No.12.p. 21.

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192l'C3> by Hon. Emery W. Chapple,.lr.,

Radio Cornntunications Department,

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. - - ' ' 1 - ' _q - . - - -

.lr., Director of Police, Crtntnal Iusttce

lnlcrlace Division, Police lleparttnent.

Dallas, Tex., August 1972, vol. 41, No.

8, p. 22.

A Return to NcigltborhoodPolice,by Edward C. McArdle, Chief of Police, and

William N. Betjcmann,Coordinator,Of-

ce of Crime Control,Albany.N.Y., July

.9722,vol.41,No. 7, p.8.

The SpecialOperationsGroup.by Capt.

William R. .92loom:y, Police Department.

 llticago, 111., April 1972,vol. 41, No. 4,

p. 11. 

The Stark County MEG Unit.'t Response

to Fragmented1.5.1Enforcement,by

David D. Dowd, _lr.,Stark CountyProsecutingAttorney,Canton, Ohio, September 1972,vol.41,N0. 9, p. 13.

S92VA'l'-Tl1e Les .-9211;!c1cs Police Special

WeaponsandTacticsT Zt1ttS, by C. N.

Beck,PoliceDepartment, LosAngeles,

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1" " f92'1il.l.92llt1.92I92'

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Dooley. Chaplain, .92lctr0politanPolice

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1/'72, vol.41. 3'0. 10,p3.

Opt'r3llOl't Respect. March1972.vol.41,192'o.

I1,11. 111.

A Return to NeigltliorltoodPolice,by Edward C. .92lcArtlle,Chief of Police, and

9292'illiam l92'. 11etit-mann,Coordinator,Oftlce of Crinw.Control,Albany.192'.Y., luly

1972,vol.41,.92'o. 7. p.8.

Si."lc-liy-Side.by lnsp. Claude W. Dove,

Director. CommunityRelationsDivision,

Police Department, Washington, D.C.,

.92Iay1972,vol. ll, No. 5, p. 16.

TOP Program StrengthensPolice-Youth

111-lations, .921a1'clt 1972.vol. 41, No. 3. p.

20.

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D.D.S.,Consultant in Forensic-Dentistry.

'Oflice of CniciMedical1.'.~car1ti:17.-r, 192~;w

York, N.Y., August1972,vol. .1,Ne.o,

p. 6.

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Evidence.May 1972,vol.41, No. 5, p. 19'.

The Role of the ForensicPatliole5151. in Arsonand Related 1n92'c.=tigatior.1. by Irvizt

:921. Soplter,M.D.,D.D.S.,LieutenantColonel, U5. Army Medical Corps,AcrespaccPathologyBranch,ArmedFo::-c1n-zituteof Pathology,Wasltington,1_3.t'.'..

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Bloodbounds:A Tool in Law Enforcement,

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of CamdenCounty,Cantden,I92.1.. §"'.',

1972.ml. 41,No.5, p. 26.

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liam C. Sampson.Trahin; Ciieer.Dad:

County Public Safety iztzphfltfi.

, .92lian".i, Fla.,January1972.92o1. '1-1. 1927o. 1..

p. 15.

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Montgomery. .92la., Scpternher1972,92-.11.

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A lone white male using the name

Dan Cooper boarded Northwest

Orient Airlines Flight No. 305 at

Portland, Oreg., on No92'e|11ber 211-,

1971. At approxinmtely 3:22 p.m.,

nnile the ight was en route to Seat~

tie. Wasln, he indicated to a stewaz'- ess that his briefcase contained a

bomb which would blov. up the plane

unless his demands were met.

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an-I four parachutes in exchange for

safety r.-f the 36 passengers

alanard the plane. When the aircraft

landed at Seattle, Northwest Orient

Airlines complied with his instructhe

..s. After he received the parachutes

2,4'>"and money, the hijacker allowed all

passengers and two of the airline

stewarrlesses to rleplane.

lle then ordered the remaining crew

members into the rst-class section of

the aircraft and informed them he

desired to lly to Mexico City. The hijar-ker instructed that the plane proceed in a southerly direction and y at

a low altitude and slow speed which enahlc-cl the rar doorof the plane to be

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somewhere between Seattle andReno,

Ne92'., where, when the plane lavz?leti_ it

was determined that Cooper, two

parachutes, and the ransom money

had disappeared.

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if; iranltled almost to tearsby 3 such'Coo Ferntaniacal . » - I items as

' }'§:hallads fD.B.l Cooper,'lWhere§_Are YouNow"!.D.B.

';";'_ Cooper sweatshirts, 'andeven memorial bikinipanties,

fé.theSeattleofficeof the_FBIhas_;worntoscourevery

fzinchof terrainbetween-Sea-Tac andRenoto track

jgdown theirman.At thiswritingit looksverymuchasif

,1;Mr.Hoover:_nim'ons may have to do exactlythat. -.

1*_e media has been iust aseager forclues toCooper:

-ljwreahouts, histrueidentity,hismotives. Locally,the

2P-I'offered a $5,000 reward undertheirSecretWitness

crimeghterseries.TheSeattle,Times.whilegently

chidingeditorially those whowouldadulateCooper,has

prettymuchkeptitshutton-downcoolabouthewhole

fthing, ' _ _ l'. .

.5. Now,intothislacuna-flied tangleofpopheroism,

electroniclegendandFBI fumbling, steps theSeattle

I~FlagT withanauthentic, ]irst'person, totally,ex_clusive

interviewwith D.B. Cooperhimself! "

.Elsewherein thisissuewehaveexplainedsomething

abouthowthatworldwidescoopwasphtained,andthe

lengthsto whichthe Flagispreparedtogotoprotect

theanonymityof D.B. Cooper".In no way do we

eithercondoneorcondemnCooper:crime;ourtaskis

tosimplyreportthenews,fromanyviablesource.

All wepromised, inreturnforthisinterview, wasthat

/-rave would under no circumstances-' includinggrandiurv

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eyewitnessesdon't Theywerefteen poundsand

twoinchesoff. Andthatartist's picturestunk.lf.I were

a vainman,_l_'d suehimlforlibel.ButI've got,no_r_e_ason

tocomplain;;. '_ Q _ j _-,_',; 3

-ANON: Whyareyouhere,ofallplaces?;»;;;'.- ',_.;'_i_

__ ' COOPER: Whynot? _ - ; 4 '-'

=" ANON: Well.the paperssayyou're. in Mexico,or

COOPER;And that's wheretheauthoritiesare

_looking, ' right? __ You' -don't escapejust .ei§_nan'g*

_bordcrs;' lookatJamesEarlRay.Thetrickisnottobe

where they think. you'll be- For instance,thY didn't

- "expectanyoneto hijacka planein theNorthwest,and

they didn't expecta parachutist,and...well,I'm sure

youcatchmydrift,I'm notinMexicoorSouthAmerica

yet, sodon't believeeverythinyoureadin thepa ts.

skyjacking? ' - l

-COOPER: A year,sixmonths.I hadthenotionfoia..

longtime,butIdidn't startthegroundworkuntilJune.

Somethinghappenedwhichmademethinkit wastime

to do it. u

' ANON= Whatwasthat? _ _ , - ,

COOPER: Skipit..It wouldtaketoolongtoexplain.__

ANON: Tellushowyougottheidea.

COOPER=.ltcametolmcwhileI waswatchingTV.

Hijackersbeforeme hadalways been firstclassfools.

Canyouimagineanythingmorestupidthanriskingthe

deathpenaltybecauseyou.wantto goto Cubaright

now'Z-Hell, youwanttogotoCuba,charteraboat,orgo

to Mexico.~Their airline isn't so bad

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'5At the"appropriate" timeI wentbackpastall

emptyseatstothestairs, Christ,itwasnoisy.Next

' Ill havesomethingbetterthanltlceneat forcar

tried to walk down all thestairs. About the tenth

thinkit was,I steppedoff,It wasalllwind

afterthat. ' ,

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' ' COOPER: Yes,I couldn't acethemlinthe

- duringmylfall,but thereis NO wayI couldmiss

them onceI bailedout._',Knowing howcloseMcChord

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Theseguyswhogetsoworkedupaboutpoliticsare,_:ffigure.on_having companyas we ewsouthdown

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were. A man doesnt necessarily" need a computer. V

' ON : How did you getfrom your landing spot to

l ' sn t the terrain between Seattle and Reno pretty I ~ .

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accomplice on the ground?. ' . _ _. '

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ANON....So you got to know the

out. What attracted you tothe plane as

parachute skyjack? -a * ",

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Pratt,& Whitney engines-two on the sides of the rear _

fuselage and the third at the base of the T-tail assembly. .,

l also liked the down-flaps stalling speed. One hundred Av

and nine "miles ' per h0l.lll':;. to be exact. Risky, but L3,? '=v=ry;' stiff L on unemployment from ._

jumpable. Then l figured in the small crew;three on the

ight deck and the three stewardesses. Two central '

galleys and the wardrobes with two 'crappers to the ' ,

~"j§:{:.;"..=..l~";i". ._;_.=.T-1.tt--- rear. l figured those mighl: come in handy as a__ place to, you. lwant 0 tell you right MW, and put. it capital

hold a stewie hostage..As it turned out. lwas right. l can

. even tell you the number of passenger seats, right down"';,_-I

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to the last piece of lint.- '. _1 » _first 3'"-=;'...'_ ANON:Go ahead .- ' "

abreast. Sixty-six tourist seats, six abreast; -.:; .. , .-

;:s., _ANON: What about you.r exit? _' _ _, __. .

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there . $200,000, but what else

COOPER: I've read the papers,watcl1ed

of.that. Pvefread that l'm a non-herof, av

anti-hero, and 'a plain old hero hero.The

who beat the system and became the

talk

Tijuana. I've been called a jet-age Jesse and

Robin Hood of the air. Some of that drivel

laugh-and some of it makes me sick4,'to be

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letters. l did it for the money, true, BUT l

aacausarr WAS FUN. There is athrill In

to do the impossible. Ask

ANON: How do you feel about the backl of your

hijack, the lives that were lost when people trie to copy

_I _ :_ your modus operandi? . " Q-_I:_ 7. _- i

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. . _ _;= . ow to get the money-others had done that-but HOW to i it to us,'and respect at all times his inalienable rights et'AWAY ' h h ' " ' " _ L ___ _ _ _ A g _wit t emoney..',~,§-. _.s ., -

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not able to give the full storyof how this in teriiiew w'as'I'_.' obtained and whowas the Flag; source.f1.I_'_'.._.' _ We can

say that _the_ interview occuredjn the metropolitan area! 

of Seattle sometime in the month of March.'lt was not

the result ofany supersleuthing oi investigation onour.

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lellgii-'5 3° the anonJ'mifJ'.of_ which the D.B., Co " Flag is P'eP"¢d_-'9 89_:.3?__l,"°tect,§,'~I;}, I ' ' ' ' death penalty because you want to_g0 to Cuba ri h .$ d ' '  ' ' h'

_;'__,. COOPER: Like anything else, successful skyjackiiig --A-P takes trining and hard 'k. M _ '

extensive. as any astronauts. The guy you're looking at is probable the world's greatest authority on skyjackingf Before l left home on the 22nd, I had a big fire. l burned

V graphs, airplane floorplans, timetables, weather reports,

mapsover a hundred pages of notesl earned

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ANONr But the FBI contends you bailed outi

COOPERH

brains department as they doin the money-.'

come down? .,_»~

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§¢'_}ld be in jail fight now instead of talking

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Were you Ill wooded terrain?

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did you get so close? '}'5="._i~ ', 1,} "

COOPEIU Onl two ofha ,projeeted~'eale92ilations'

Second, I have a very good japanesewatchf--..f 7 ' , '

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COOPER: Multiply time by speed and you come up

with distance. I_kncw how fast we were going-afterall I

told the pilot what speed to zowhat vector we were

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don't want to dlsapuint you or your local W ». .L_'

but they are wrong. If they had as -

yougglllule. we're on the aubjeet,.I wishomeb_odyj.'~_'

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to*chase_rny ass.l bet-it's a pretty penny :.,- »

IIow__do yoir know his .13 Y -If ._ .- ~'92 I.

Ifread the papers just everyone else."-j_

m~u=1»=-n: _. Can_you tell us what llI__llllIlgY0_92l .'._;

lhurled my el92ute._;_-,§1;;-Il,' '3

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ANON: Let's go back rt little in and spaoerllou

said knew how close McChord is to Sea-Tac. Does that

mean you ever lived in the Scattlearea?  g.

COOPER: Yes. In fact, I once? was Qfa ' Larry

Lunchbucket at Boeing's. g _ _. ANONrOutrageousl 1'"_ 1" f*;" '

were you an engineer at Boeing, or something like

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badger, butl did work on the 727's. I worked on the

first Boeing 727-I00 standard transport that was first

own by Eastern Airlines way back in I964. '- " _

ANON= A nice ironic touchl.. ,_ '4" cf". A"

COOPER: Yeah, one of many... '1 .  '

- ANON:...So you got to know the 727 from the inside

out. What attracted you to the plane as being ideal for a

parachute skyjack? ' , _ I

._ COOPER: First'of all, the alignment'of the three

Pratt.& Whitney engines-two on the sides of the rear

fuselage and the third at the base of the T-tail assembly.

I also liked the down-flaps stalling speed. One hundred

and nine miles per hour, to be exact. Risky, ~ but

{ jumpable. Then l figured in the smallcrew; three on the

OOPERI Yep, an evergreen jugle. ?. , .  ' ' L.-fj, 1 I

far were you from whereyou wanted to'Ii~i.-'_r.',

ight deck and the three stewardcsses. Two central

galleys and the wardrobes with two crappers to the

rear. I figured those might come in handy as a_ place to

hold a stewie hostage. As it turned out, l_ was right. I can

even tell you the number of passenger seats, right down

to thelastpiece of lint. ' _. i. -__

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coornm Nine -four * as first-class 'seats,"four-'1

abreast. Sixty-six tourist seats, six abreast. _.1; _T-I

_d,____ANON= What about your exit? _ f _

?7" JOOPER: I was getting to that. The ventral door on

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vacuumlelcanered into a 3.156-pound turbofanfmf _

into french fries on a flap. was really the only ship;

80 tons of it, that wouldfit |sny.'ne_eds,»and.the &

the crurt.~ the key. It's six-foot, four inchesfhigh

feet, eight inches in width. >Room_'to spare',~for

ordin_ary-sized person", like myself,-~.chute pack and

stairway I was to *;_;'ehute - from.

hydraulically-operated 1' number; .and 'lll."',&

reversion to manual. control. Youimight say}.

akyjacking, it_'s the little things that count, _

_ ANON= _ Let's interrupt the chronology fora

and talk_aboutrnotivat_ion. Why did you do it?

there was the $200,000, but what else impelled

COOPER: I've read the papers, watched

of that. I've read that I'm a_non~hero,, a poplaero,

anti-hero, and a plain old hero hero. The Ordinary

who beat the system and beeame'theinstant

every stiff on unemployment fromj

Tijuana. I've been called ajet-age Jesse Jamesand

Robin Hood of the air. Some of that drivel makes

laugh-and some of it rnakes;me sick,'to he frank

you. I want to tell you right how, and put it in

letters. ldid it for the money,"true, BUTI ALSO

BECAUSE IT WAS FUN. There it a thrill in

first I0 J0 the impossible. AsltArmstrong, ==..' -

, ANONr How do you feel about the backlash of

hijack, the lives that were lost when people tried to copy

your rnodus operandi? V ' ' '0

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responsible for the stiffening of airline security._l say

Look. You don't get an encore for an act like 1

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the Bureau is going tosearch every inch of ground

between Seattle and Reno to find you?

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all the television stations would have _.

required a tape fromwhich voice prints 1 I.

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assume he will pick up a copy of this issue.

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did? ~

ANON: No. Butother lines fly the 727, don't they...?'

COOPER: No, lhad nothing against Northwest at all,-

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in my head: standard fuel capacity for he 121-l00

photo-eo'pi'es,l was _satisfi_ed. Then the

more trips outside;onto_¢t_h¢ runway-Ito 'chutes-' lt was at this pointthat Captain

the cabinilitercoml -_Th_¢'fllSt_

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the refueling trudt crewrueri-at the fueling point,

underside of the starboard wing at

' precisely -7,174 }allons.=- Thatfs U.S. Gallons.

convinced we'd need every drop of itincluding the fumes, where were heading., "

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poundsoftwentiesyougotfromNorthwest2*:jhf:i"r'="~:'~*"'~§*?l

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200 grandstrapped around ' hisgut, wearing street

clothesandlowcut shoes-knows his assfromaD-ring,-"._"

soto speak.Sure,l've donealotofskydivingiover the~-*'-:33."

yearsandbelongedtoseveral cubs,but l don't think 11.-

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COOPER: Because maybe 20,000, maybemore,

peop.emakethe onejump-eachyear, l meanthats-' -.

needed togettheircertificate; Mostofthem,maybe75- j

percent,qualifyand then stopjumping. With a turnover ,

like it'll takethe-law years topickupmyscent. l_:..

didh e oneprivate quirk as_'a skydiver, thou'gh._--._.l_;~ 33;_

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y ankles. Even did roadworkwithwoighted'lcather'iIj"

cksof sand buckled to my ankles;Occasionally 1-"

ould jump wearinglow-cuts,but none of the other -

skydivers-éthey've got to be the mostvain,

glory-hounding types you'll findanywhere-evernoticed.

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biggest profit-makers ofalltheairlines, andthatthey,i§-

could raise the $200,000 fast.l wassureNorthwest,'g,?'

could getthe moneyfor meI even A 2 s if Fli ht 305 ot in.f-' fromPortlandafterthebankshadclosedfortheday.§_i¢_

Andtherewereotherconsiderations, too.Thcre_had

never been a real skyjackat Seattle,andNorthwest

definitelydoesnothave what: l would callatakeme-to I

Cubacomplex".All of thosethings-plussomeother- l

littlesubtletieshelped makemy decisionto jump

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- ANON: Let's toucha little on the actualdramaof the

skyjackitself,shallwe? _ r - .

COOPER:Allright... - 

ANON= Wasyourbriefcasebombreal,orwasit fake?

COOPER:lt wasreal,inthesensethatitworked.In

actuality__itwasa fake.The dynamitesticksthe

stewardesses blabbcrcdaboutwerenothingmorethan

someGilletteshaving-cream cansriggedwithprima-cord

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ANON= Whydidtheyfallforit?Weretheystupid,

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was glad I e_ got my_idea~all byhimself. I-told him

Vaffirmativd, to head south. Then I slammed the cockpit

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stewfAccordjng t0.rny watch, we got airborne at 7:40 p.m. fourihours and 42 minutes since leaving Portland. Like! said lhve_a very good watch. " -- _'._' 

l ANON=: Speaking of Portlar'id...Shortly after takeoff

you hand d;your skyjack note to one of the

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.D~rings for _attach_ing the chestpacks. They yvei-Ve $0;-11¢ _ sort of emergency rigs for aerobatic ying,'_I guess. So I

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