EXHIBIT 18

To Motion for Partial Summary Judgment

(Transcript of Deposition of Jamil Ben 

Alluch, May 27, 2021, partially redacted) 

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∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑CASE NO.: 20-CV-22957-RNS

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∑∑∑SCANZ TECHNOLOGIES, INC.,

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∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Plaintiff,

∑∑∑-vs-

∑∑∑JEWMON ENTERPRISES, LLC, et al.,

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Defendants.

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∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF JAMIL BEN ALLUCH,

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑as Corporate Representative

∑∑∑∑Excerpts of this transcript have been declared

∑∑∑confidential and are produced under separate cover

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∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑via Remote Videoconference

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∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Thursday, May 27, 2021

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∑∑∑Reported By:

∑∑∑Sandra W. Townsend, RPR, FPR

∑∑∑Notary Public, State of Florida

∑∑∑U.S. Legal Support, Inc.

∑∑∑West Palm Beach Office

∑∑∑Job #2436131

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∑1∑∑APPEARANCES:

∑2∑∑On behalf of the Plaintiff:

∑3∑∑∑∑ELAD BOTWIN, ESQUIRE

∑∑∑∑∑SQUIRE LAW GROUP, P.A.

∑4∑∑∑∑301 West Atlantic Avenue

∑∑∑∑∑Suite 5

∑5∑∑∑∑Delray Beach, Florida∑33444

∑∑∑∑∑dlage@squirelawgroup.com

∑6∑∑∑∑ebotwin@squirelawgroup.com

∑7∑∑∑∑JEFFREY FELDMAN, ESQUIRE

∑∑∑∑∑TRAILBLAZER

∑8∑∑∑∑1200 Brickell Avenue

∑∑∑∑∑Penthouse 1900

∑9∑∑∑∑Miami, Florida∑33131

10∑∑On behalf of the Defendants StocksToTrade.com, Inc. and

∑∑∑Zachary Westphal::

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∑∑∑∑∑DAVID PRUETER, ESQUIRE

12∑∑∑∑SQUIRE PATTON BOGGS

∑∑∑∑∑275 Battery Street

13∑∑∑∑#2600

∑∑∑∑∑San Francisco, California∑94111

14∑∑∑∑joseph.meckes@squirepb.com

∑∑∑∑∑david.prueter@squirepb.com

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∑∑∑∑∑GABRIEL COLWELL, ESQUIRE

16∑∑∑∑SQUIRE PATTON BOGGS

∑∑∑∑∑555 Flower Street

17∑∑∑∑31st Floor

∑∑∑∑∑Los Angeles, California∑90071

18∑∑∑∑gabriel.colwell@squirepb.com

19∑∑On behalf of the Defendants Jewmon Enterprises, LLC,

∑∑∑Timothy Sykes, Millionaire Publishing, LLC, and

20∑∑Millionaire Media, LLC:

21∑∑∑∑BRETT D. JAFFE, ESQUIRE

∑∑∑∑∑JENNA JONES, ESQUIRE

22∑∑∑∑ALSTON & BIRD, LLP

∑∑∑∑∑90 Park Avenue

23∑∑∑∑New York, New York∑10016

∑∑∑∑∑brett.jaffe@alston.com

24∑∑∑∑steven.campbell@alston.com

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∑1∑∑ALSO PRESENT:

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑P R O C E E D I N G S

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∑3∑∑∑∑Deposition taken before Sandra W. Townsend,

∑4∑∑Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public

∑5∑∑in and for the State of Florida at Large, in the

∑6∑∑above cause.

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∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Good morning.∑We are now on

∑9∑∑∑∑the record.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Participants should be aware that this

11∑∑∑∑proceeding is being recorded, and as such, all

12∑∑∑∑conversations held will be recorded, unless there

13∑∑∑∑is a request and agreement to go off the record.

14∑∑∑∑Private conversations and/or attorney/client

15∑∑∑∑interactions should be held outside the presence of

16∑∑∑∑the remote interface.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑For the purpose of creating a witness only

18∑∑∑∑video recording, the witness is being spotlighted

19∑∑∑∑on all video screens while in speaker view.∑We ask

20∑∑∑∑that the witness not remove the spotlight setting

21∑∑∑∑during the deposition, as it may cause other

22∑∑∑∑participants to appear on the final video rather

23∑∑∑∑than just the witness.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑For anyone else who doesn't want the witness'

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∑1∑∑may click the gallery view button in the upper

∑2∑∑right corner of the remote depo interface.

∑3∑∑∑∑This is the remote video recorded deposition

∑4∑∑of Jamil Ben Alluch, the corporate representative

∑5∑∑for StocksToTrade.com, Inc., being taken today, May

∑6∑∑27, 2021.∑The time is now 2:38 p.m. UTC time.

∑7∑∑∑∑We're here in the matter of Scanz Technologies

∑8∑∑versus Jewmon Enterprises, LLC.

∑9∑∑∑∑My name is Darlene Suazo, remote video

10∑∑technician on behalf of U.S. Legal Support.∑I am

11∑∑not related to any party in this action, nor am I

12∑∑financially interested in the outcome.

13∑∑∑∑At this time will our court reporter, on

14∑∑behalf of U.S. Legal Support, please enter the

15∑∑statement for remote proceedings into the record.

16∑∑∑∑COURT REPORTER:∑The attorneys participating

17∑∑in this deposition acknowledge that I am not

18∑∑physically present in the deposition room and that

19∑∑I will be reporting this deposition remotely.∑They

20∑∑further acknowledge that in lieu of an oath

21∑∑administered in person, I will administer the oath

22∑∑remotely.∑This arrangement is pursuant to Florida

23∑∑Supreme Court Administrative Order No. AOSC-20-23.

24∑∑The parties and their counsel consent to this

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∑1∑∑∑∑of reporting.∑Please indicate your agreement by

∑2∑∑∑∑stating your name and your agreement on the record.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Jeffrey Feldman, Counsel for

∑4∑∑∑∑Plaintiff, Scanz Technologies, and we consent.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Good morning. Gabriel Colwell,

∑6∑∑∑∑Squire Patton Boggs, representing Defendants,

∑7∑∑∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc. and Zachary Westphal.∑And

∑8∑∑∑∑we consent.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MS. JONES:∑Jenna Jones, Alston and Bird, on

10∑∑∑∑behalf of the Defendants, Jewmon Enterprises,

11∑∑∑∑Timothy Sykes, Millionaire Publishing and

12∑∑∑∑Millionaire Media.∑And we consent.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Elad Botwin with Squire Law

14∑∑∑∑Group, representing Plaintiff, Scanz Technologies.

15∑∑∑∑And we consent.

16∑∑THEREUPON,

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑JAMIL BEN ALLUCH,

18∑∑having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined

19∑∑and testified as follows:

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Yes.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑DIRECT EXAMINATION

22∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Good morning.

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Good morning.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch?∑Am I pronouncing your name

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∑1∑∑correctly?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑Ben Alluch.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I will do my best.

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑No worries.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay. It's nice to meet you.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I understand that you are appearing as the

∑7∑∑corporate representative of StocksToTrade.com; is that

∑8∑∑correct?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑And then, Gabe, we can agree

11∑∑∑∑that we're here today to take the deposition of

12∑∑∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc., correct?

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yes.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑And that Mr. Ben Alluch is the

15∑∑∑∑sole representative appointed by StocksToTrade.com,

16∑∑∑∑Inc. to represent them in this deposition?

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Sure is.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I'm sorry?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yes, he is.

20∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Okay.∑So Mr. Ben Alluch, you've

22∑∑already given an individual deposition in this case,

23∑∑correct?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And I'm going to do my best to avoid being

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∑1∑∑redundant of things that were previously discussed.∑But

∑2∑∑there's by necessity going to be some of that during the

∑3∑∑course of the depo, given the topics that we're covering

∑4∑∑today.∑Okay?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑I understand.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑First, could you give me your

∑7∑∑street address, please?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's Number 2, Rue, R-U-E, Felix Renaud -- so

∑9∑∑Felix Renaud.∑It's in Gatineau, Quebec, Canada.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And can you spell -- for the ease of the court

11∑∑reporter, would you mind spelling?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- the address, please?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.∑It's Rue, R-E-U -- R-U-E, like street

15∑∑in French, Felix, F-E-L-I-X, Renaud, R-E-N-A-U-D.∑The

16∑∑city is Gatineau, so it's G -- G-A-T-I-N-A -- E-A-U,

17∑∑sorry.∑And that's in Quebec.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are you of sound mind this morning?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe I am.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you feel rested and prepared to give this

21∑∑deposition?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑I am prepared.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Do you -- are you under the influence

24∑∑of any kind of medication or other substances that would

25∑∑impair your ability to give this deposition?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑I am not.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, do you understand that you're here

∑3∑∑today as a corporate representative?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑I understand.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Would you please give me your understanding of

∑6∑∑what you understand your responsibility is as the

∑7∑∑corporate representative in this deposition of

∑8∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc.?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑I will be answering questions you will have

10∑∑regarding StocksToTrade.com, Inc.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And who asked you to appear as the

12∑∑corporate representative?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑Legal Counsel.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Other than legal Counsel, did anyone

15∑∑else ask you to appear?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑The legal Counsel you're referring to

18∑∑is Mr. Colwell?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is correct.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑And do you feel qualified to speak

21∑∑on the topics that were noticed for today's deposition?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑And we'll talk generically at

24∑∑first.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Why do you believe that you're qualified to

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∑1∑∑talk about all the topics that were referenced in the

∑2∑∑Notice of today's -- the Notice of the deposition of

∑3∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc.?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑So in my role as chief technology officer, I

∑5∑∑do have a part in, firstly and most importantly, the

∑6∑∑technological aspect, which involves the development of

∑7∑∑the technology for StocksToTrade.com, Inc. on a personal

∑8∑∑level, that is me, as, you know, Jamil Ben Alluch.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Also, being chief technology officer, I am

10∑∑privy to the information regarding financials and

11∑∑business dealings of the company within its operating

12∑∑capacity.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And we're going to look at the Notice

14∑∑in a moment.

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But do you -- are you -- do you believe you're

17∑∑qualified to answer questions predating your arrival at

18∑∑the company in the fall of 2015?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑My understanding is that the deposition is

20∑∑based on StocksToTrade.com, Inc., but I can on a

21∑∑personal capacity assess or provide insight on what may

22∑∑or may not have happened during the period before

23∑∑StocksToTrade, which is outside of the scope of the

24∑∑general topics provided to us.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, StocksToTrade.com, Inc. was formed in

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∑1∑∑June of 20 -- June of 2015, correct?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is correct.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you did not commence your employment with

∑4∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc. until early 2016, correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, there was a period of time before your

∑7∑∑formal employment began where you were providing

∑8∑∑services for free to StocksToTrade.com, Inc., correct?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But still you would agree there was a period

11∑∑of time even before that -- that volunteer work where

12∑∑the company wasn't in existence and you had no

13∑∑involvement with the company at that time?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Would you mind repeating the question one more

15∑∑time, please?

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes.∑You would agree that the company had

17∑∑been in existence even before you began your volunteer

18∑∑work for the company, correct?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑That would be incorrect.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, the company was formed in June of 2015.

21∑∑And based on the transcript of the deposition that --

22∑∑your deposition that I read, you didn't commence your

23∑∑volunteer work until September --

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- 2015, correct?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So there was at least several months

∑3∑∑where the company had been in existence where you had no

∑4∑∑involvement, correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is correct, yes.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So what -- what did you do to inform

∑7∑∑yourself for today's depo regarding events that pre-date

∑8∑∑any involvement that you had with the company?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑My under --

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Let me just -- just to caution

11∑∑∑∑the witness not to get into communications with

12∑∑∑∑Counsel.∑But the witness -- or materials that he

13∑∑∑∑reviewed on his own, he can utilize that to help

14∑∑∑∑answer the question with respect to the three

15∑∑∑∑months that he was not yet working for the company

16∑∑∑∑while it existed.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Right.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And let me, if I can, maybe just so perhaps we

20∑∑could clarify that.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I am not asking at any point in this depo for

22∑∑your -- the substance of your communications with Mr.

23∑∑Colwell.∑But the fact that you communicated with him is

24∑∑not privileged.∑I'm entitled to know if you spoke to

25∑∑him.∑Okay?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑I understand.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I am never asking you to disclose your

∑3∑∑communications, the substance of your communications

∑4∑∑with him.

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right?∑So -- but what I'm trying to

∑7∑∑understand generically is, what information do you have

∑8∑∑about the company that you can call upon to answer

∑9∑∑questions today?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can answer questions regarding StocksToTrade

11∑∑from its inception.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And on a personal capacity I would be able to

13∑∑provide some insight based on some personal knowledge

14∑∑that I have or may have regarding what was previously

15∑∑done.∑But I would not be able to speak at a corporate

16∑∑level on behalf of the other parties involved in that

17∑∑specific standing.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So -- all right.∑So I understand you're not

19∑∑appearing today on behalf of any corporate party other

20∑∑than StocksToTrade.com.∑Okay?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And so we're clear, you're only -- you're only

22∑∑speaking on behalf of StocksToTrade.com, Inc. today?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Correct?∑Okay.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, with that said, you're advising that you

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∑1∑∑do have information that predates the formation of

∑2∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc., correct?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And so what information is that?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is --

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑That is a very broad question.

∑8∑∑∑∑You would need to be more specific about --

∑9∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yeah.∑I'd like -- I'd like to know, so I have

11∑∑an appreciation of the knowledge that you're bringing in

12∑∑today's deposition, I would like to know what -- what

13∑∑knowledge you have about --

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Jeff -- Jeff, I might be able to

15∑∑∑∑help.∑I might be able to help.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So in our meet and confer yesterday we had a

17∑∑∑∑discussion about topic one.∑Okay?∑All right?∑And

18∑∑∑∑we had a disagreement with respect to topic one and

19∑∑∑∑communications, for instance, regarding the

20∑∑∑∑development of the platform before StocksToTrade

21∑∑∑∑came into existence, right?∑Okay.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So, you know, the witness is here to testify

23∑∑∑∑with respect to StocksToTrade since its come into

24∑∑∑∑existence, but he's the chief technological

25∑∑∑∑officer.∑He has information personally, and he's

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∑1∑∑∑∑reviewed information personally in order to try to

∑2∑∑∑∑give you -- you know, to get you what you're

∑3∑∑∑∑looking for basically with respect to development

∑4∑∑∑∑of the platform, right?∑So I've tried to meet you

∑5∑∑∑∑in the middle there, you know, after our meet and

∑6∑∑∑∑confer to, you know, to get you the information

∑7∑∑∑∑with respect to development of the platform you're

∑8∑∑∑∑looking for.

∑9∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So to just sort of cut to the bottom

11∑∑line.∑You're prepared to answer questions knowledgably,

12∑∑informatively about the genesis of the -- of Scopic's

13∑∑development of the STT scanning platform, correct?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I am prepared to answer on a personal capacity

15∑∑questions regarding the development of StocksToTrade,

16∑∑the market data analysis platform, prior to the

17∑∑inception of the company on -- again, on a personal

18∑∑capacity.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So let's first --

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑And then after -- after the

21∑∑∑∑company comes into existence he'll testify sort of

22∑∑∑∑on behalf of the company.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I understand.∑So let me recap

24∑∑∑∑this.

25∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑First, the Notice talks about the development

∑2∑∑of the STT scanning platform.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Let's -- let's find a term that we can all be

∑4∑∑comfortable with that -- that describes that market

∑5∑∑scanning software tool that STT sells or -- yeah, I'll

∑6∑∑call it -- let me rephrase that.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What -- what description are you comfortable

∑8∑∑with using during this depo to describe the product that

∑9∑∑Scopic developed and which StocksToTrade.com, Inc. now

10∑∑sells?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑That -- that depends on what's your

12∑∑understanding.∑Because right now we're talking about

13∑∑different terms.∑You're referring over the terms

14∑∑scanning platform.∑StocksToTrade is not a scanning

15∑∑platform, although it has scanning features within it.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Don't worry about what I said.∑Tell me

17∑∑what --

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, I need to worry just on the basis of

19∑∑having the proper terminology and seeing, you know,

20∑∑where things stand regarding the actual litigation.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑StocksToTrade is a very wide and broad

22∑∑platform, in terms of tooling.∑We do have a scanning

23∑∑feature, but overall StocksToTrade is not a scanning

24∑∑platform, in and by itself.∑It has a feature that

25∑∑provides scanning capabilities which has been the

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∑1∑∑subject of the interrogatories so far.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So scanning, when we talk about

∑3∑∑scanning, we're talking about one feature of something

∑4∑∑larger?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What is -- what do you refer to the larger as?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑Larger would be the StocksToTrade market data

∑8∑∑analysis platform.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑StocksToTrade market analysis platform.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And is there something, a name that we can use

11∑∑to shorten that so that we -- we can identify that

12∑∑platform without all those words?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑STT.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I think STT is the company, so I

15∑∑∑∑would suggest you call it the StocksToTrade

16∑∑∑∑platform.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And then, you know, Jeff, if you want to talk

18∑∑∑∑about scanning, you can just say the, you know, the

19∑∑∑∑scanning portion of the platform, something to that

20∑∑∑∑effect.

21∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then Screener Plus is a feature of the

23∑∑StocksToTrade platform, correct?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That's the scanning feature of the

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∑1∑∑StocksToTrade platform, correct?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So we'll just call that Screener Plus.

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And when I use Screener Plus, we are talking

∑6∑∑about the scanning feature of the StocksToTrade

∑7∑∑platform.∑Agreed?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Okay.∑So to be clear, you're here

10∑∑today to answer questions on behalf of

11∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc., correct?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Regarding all issues post-dating

14∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc.'s formation in June of 2015?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You are also prepared --

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I just object, you know, as

20∑∑∑∑limited to the topics noticed and subject to the

21∑∑∑∑prior objections, of course.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I understand.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then you are also prepared to answer as an

25∑∑individual witness questions pertaining to the evolution

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∑1∑∑of the StocksToTrade platform from its inception.

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑I am prepared to answer that on a personal

∑3∑∑capacity, yes.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑All right.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Elad, would you please put up

∑6∑∑∑∑the Notice for today's depo?

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Yes.∑One moment, please.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑And we can go just to attachment

∑9∑∑∑∑A to the first -- the first page.

10∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you, Mr. Ben Alluch, if you want to see

12∑∑the entire Notice, I'll be happy to show you.∑But I

13∑∑suspect you've seen this document before and I just want

14∑∑to confirm that these are the topics you've prepared --

15∑∑you prepared yourself to answer.

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay?

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And there's the attachment A.∑You've seen

19∑∑this -- excuse me for one second.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Elad, do we have an exhibit

21∑∑∑∑number for this, please?

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑This will be Exhibit 79.∑I will

23∑∑∑∑upload it after showing this.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Exhibit No. 79 was marked for

25∑∑∑∑identification.)

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm showing you Exhibit 79, which is the

∑3∑∑Notice for today's depo.∑And I'm showing you

∑4∑∑specifically attachment A to that Notice.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Have you seen this document before?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑I have.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you'll notice that there are 15 topics

∑8∑∑mentioned on the Notice, correct?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑There are 15 topics listed on the Notice,

10∑∑correct.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And is it your representation that you have

12∑∑informed yourself to answer questions on these -- on

13∑∑these 15 issues?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes, I've prepared to answer questions on

15∑∑these 15 issues.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So apart from talking with Mr. Colwell,

17∑∑what else did you do to prepare yourself to answer

18∑∑questions about these 15 issues?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Primarily I reviewed financial materials,

20∑∑which fall less within my operating capacity, but I'm

21∑∑somewhat familiar with.∑I just reviewed them on a more

22∑∑detailed basis in order to prepare for this.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Apart from financial materials, what

24∑∑else did you review?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑As part of this specific deposition?

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑To prepare for this deposition.

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑Primarily financial review.∑The rest is,

∑3∑∑like, anything that has to do with development I'm

∑4∑∑fairly familiar with, I work with on a day-to-day basis,

∑5∑∑for the most part, so...

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So did you interview any -- any other

∑7∑∑witnesses -- strike that.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Did you interview any other people who work

∑9∑∑for StocksToTrade.com who may have particular knowledge

10∑∑of these issues?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, my knowledge supersedes everyone else's

12∑∑knowledge on the development.∑And I have reviewed the

13∑∑technical information that will be produced to you as

14∑∑part of the package.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you believe that you are the person most

16∑∑knowledgeable at the company regarding these topics?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Who does -- who handles the financial

19∑∑responsibilities for the company, StocksToTrade.com,

20∑∑Inc.?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑Could you be more specific about financial

22∑∑responsibilities?

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes.∑Does the company have a CFO?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑It does not.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Who handles -- who keeps the books for the

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∑1∑∑company?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑That would be Mr. Joshua Anderson.∑He's the

∑3∑∑financial controller.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Does Mr. Anderson have more information about

∑5∑∑the finances of StocksToTrade.com, Inc. than you?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑He would have the same access as I do to the

∑7∑∑financials.∑I have access to all documents pertaining

∑8∑∑to the company.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I understand you have access to documents, but

10∑∑does Mr. Anderson prepare those documents?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑He runs the numbers as a consultant for

12∑∑StocksToTrade in the financial controller capacity.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So the documents that you're looking at were

14∑∑actually prepared by Mr. Anderson, correct?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So as between you and Mr. Anderson,

17∑∑Mr. Anderson would be the better witness regarding

18∑∑questions pertaining to the financial background of

19∑∑StocksToTrade.com?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't believe -- I don't believe that's the

21∑∑case.∑We have the same information and I've prepared

22∑∑with the financial statements of the company to have

23∑∑that information ready for this deposition.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And do you have that information going back to

25∑∑the company's inception to current day?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Apart from reviewing -- could you

∑3∑∑just -- before I go off -- off to a different topic,

∑4∑∑could you tell me what financial information you

∑5∑∑reviewed?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑The profit and loss, the sales revenue, the

∑7∑∑balance sheets, cash flow statements, all of which will

∑8∑∑be produced as part of the package you will be getting.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you have those documents with you to refer

10∑∑to today?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can open them if needed.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑And, Gabe, do you have any issue

13∑∑∑∑with the witness accessing those documents to

14∑∑∑∑answer questions today?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I think the witness can refer to

16∑∑∑∑his notes.∑We're not producing documents today.

17∑∑∑∑So we're not producing --

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I'm not -- that question wasn't

19∑∑∑∑whether you're producing.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you have an issue with the witness

21∑∑∑∑referring to documents to answer questions?

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I do have issue with the witness

23∑∑∑∑obtaining documents to answer specific questions.

24∑∑∑∑Documents will be produced to you after the

25∑∑∑∑deposition.

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∑1∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Well, one of the issues that was

∑2∑∑Noticed for today are any of the documents

∑3∑∑requested in attachment B, which include financial

∑4∑∑information.

∑5∑∑∑∑So are you -- are you instructing the witness

∑6∑∑to not answer questions about item 15?

∑7∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yes.∑And we previously objected

∑8∑∑to item 15 because there are 55 requests there and

∑9∑∑we're not producing any documents with respect to

10∑∑those, to item 15 and those 55 requests because

11∑∑they're not yet due for production.

12∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Well, then you'll make the

13∑∑witness available again to give answers to

14∑∑questions about the documents, correct?

15∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑No.

16∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Why not?

17∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑This is the deposition of

18∑∑StocksToTrade's 30(b)(6) today.∑The witness is

19∑∑prepared to answer questions on the topics.

20∑∑∑∑You know, Plaintiffs did not seek document

21∑∑production in a timely manner in this case, which

22∑∑is why, you know, you're taking the deposition

23∑∑without documents.

24∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑And you're refusing to give us

25∑∑an opportunity to question your corporate

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∑1∑∑representative about documents which you're

∑2∑∑withholding until after this deposition?

∑3∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑No.∑I disagree with that

∑4∑∑characterization.

∑5∑∑∑∑As I said, you know, we've met and conferred

∑6∑∑about this and we've objected in writing.

∑7∑∑∑∑Plaintiff here in this case decided not to

∑8∑∑take any discovery until shortly before discovery

∑9∑∑cutoff, decided to take depositions without any

10∑∑documents, and that was Plaintiff's strategic

11∑∑choice.

12∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay.∑Well, we obviously object

13∑∑to the gamesmanship.

14∑∑∑∑It is totally uncustomary to expect a party to

15∑∑take a corporate deposition without the benefit of

16∑∑the party's documents.∑And we'll let Judge Torres

17∑∑deal with this issue, but it is our position that

18∑∑this witness will be made available again to answer

19∑∑questions about documents you chose not to produce

20∑∑until tomorrow, given -- notwithstanding that those

21∑∑documents were a subject of the deposition the day

22∑∑before.

23∑∑∑∑As I understand it, STT is producing documents

24∑∑May 28th, correct?

25∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑STT is producing documents on

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∑1∑∑May 28th, as required by the Rule 34 requests, not

∑2∑∑by your deposition Notice.

∑3∑∑∑∑And as I stated before -- and, you know, Jeff,

∑4∑∑you weren't in the case, but your colleagues,

∑5∑∑co-Counsel, of which you have two different law

∑6∑∑firms, elected not to, you know, seek discovery in

∑7∑∑a timely manner.∑Nonetheless, we made this witness

∑8∑∑available on short notice.

∑9∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I just think that, Gabe, you're

10∑∑playing it close to the line.∑I mean, it's one

11∑∑thing to take -- it's one thing to take the

12∑∑position that you're not -- you're not going to

13∑∑produce documents until the day after your client's

14∑∑corporate deposition, but it's now another thing to

15∑∑say that you're not going to let the witness use

16∑∑those documents during the course of the deposition

17∑∑so that we can get the best answer.

18∑∑∑∑And clearly when we're asking for financial

19∑∑information, the best answer is what's on the

20∑∑documents, not what the witness remembers of the

21∑∑documents.∑And that is a completely different

22∑∑issue and it's inappropriate for you to instruct

23∑∑this witness to not refer to documents when his

24∑∑entire knowledge for this deposition is from those

25∑∑documents.

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∑1∑∑∑∑We're entitled -- we're entitled to the

∑2∑∑company's information, not what your witness

∑3∑∑remembers of that information.

∑4∑∑∑∑So I would ask you, you know, in a gentlemanly

∑5∑∑way, I would ask you to reconsider your position

∑6∑∑about what your client, Mr. Ben Alluch, may make of

∑7∑∑those documents during today's depo.

∑8∑∑∑∑And that's all I have to say on the issue.

∑9∑∑∑∑And -- and if you feel that, you know, you'll

10∑∑reconsider, you'll let us know.

11∑∑∑∑And at this point we'll proceed with the

12∑∑instruction you've given to the witness, that he

13∑∑may not refer to documents today during the

14∑∑deposition to answer questions, which I believe is

15∑∑completely inappropriate.∑But if that is your

16∑∑instruction, that instruction stands.

17∑∑∑∑Is that your instruction?

18∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I've already made my record and

19∑∑said, you know, we've objected.

20∑∑∑∑We attempted to meet and confer on May 4th at

21∑∑first and, you know, we met and conferred finally

22∑∑yesterday on these points.

23∑∑∑∑We've made our position known since the

24∑∑beginning, so this should not be a surprise.

25∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑If you'll forgive me, I don't

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∑1∑∑want to make much more of this, but I want -- I

∑2∑∑want a clear response.

∑3∑∑∑∑Are you instructing this witness that he may

∑4∑∑not refer to documents from which he gained his

∑5∑∑knowledge for today's depo to answer questions

∑6∑∑propounded in this depo?

∑7∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I'm instructing the witness not

∑8∑∑to produce documents today and answer questions

∑9∑∑based off of documents.∑He's here to produce --

10∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I can't get documents from the

11∑∑witness today, right?∑I'm thousands of miles away

12∑∑from where the witness is.∑The witness is not in

13∑∑the room, he doesn't have documents with him.

14∑∑∑∑The question is not whether he's going to

15∑∑produce.∑I'm being very clear in my question and I

16∑∑would appreciate a direct response.

17∑∑∑∑The witness has the documents with him.∑He

18∑∑can access them electronically, right?∑He's in his

19∑∑office.∑I see his computer.∑He told us that he

20∑∑can access them.

21∑∑∑∑Are you instructing your witness to not access

22∑∑documents that he may need to look at to answer

23∑∑questions in today's deposition?

24∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I'm instructing my witness not

25∑∑to look at documents.

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∑1∑∑∑∑I'm instructing my witness to answer your

∑2∑∑questions to the best of his knowledge and as the

∑3∑∑corporate representative for StocksToTrade today on

∑4∑∑the topics noticed, subject to our objections.

∑5∑∑That's it.

∑6∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑All right.∑And here's my

∑7∑∑problem with that instruction:∑We're not here

∑8∑∑today to get the witness' individual knowledge.

∑9∑∑We're here today to get your client's knowledge.

10∑∑And your client's knowledge exceeds what is in

11∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch's brain, right?

12∑∑∑∑What he knows is a function of what he

13∑∑remembers.∑And we're entitled to more than his

14∑∑memory.∑We're entitled to your client's

15∑∑information, and you are impairing our ability to

16∑∑do that.

17∑∑∑∑Now, this -- it's one thing to withhold

18∑∑documents for our use.∑It's all together different

19∑∑for you to withhold documents from your own

20∑∑witness.∑That's completely inappropriate.∑If you

21∑∑want to take a minute to think about this --

22∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑No.∑I think you can proceed and

23∑∑ask your questions.

24∑∑∑∑We're not going to go get documents for him to

25∑∑answer questions today during the deposition when

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∑1∑∑documents are not yet due.

∑2∑∑∑∑Proceed with your deposition.

∑3∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay.∑I need to take a moment.

∑4∑∑I may have to call Judge Torres.

∑5∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Okay.

∑6∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑And see if -- if we need to get

∑7∑∑this worked out.

∑8∑∑∑∑Now, for the record, our position is clear.

∑9∑∑We're entitled to STT's knowledge, STT's -- strike

10∑∑that -- information.∑We're entitled to STT's

11∑∑information.

12∑∑∑∑Now, you're impairing our ability to get that

13∑∑information from your -- your corporate witness,

14∑∑who has admitted that the information that he has

15∑∑comes from two sources.

16∑∑∑∑As to the issues of software development, that

17∑∑is from, in part, personal knowledge, and also

18∑∑whatever efforts he has individually made to inform

19∑∑himself to answer questions today regarding the

20∑∑genesis and evolution of the development of the

21∑∑StocksToTrade platform.

22∑∑∑∑But he's also here to answer questions today

23∑∑about financial information, which he said he

24∑∑informed himself from the company's financial

25∑∑documents.

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∑1∑∑∑∑The witness has no ability to answer questions

∑2∑∑about financial information without reliance on

∑3∑∑those documents.

∑4∑∑∑∑And what you're telling him to do is to tell

∑5∑∑us what he can remember from those documents, as

∑6∑∑opposed to giving us the best answer, which is from

∑7∑∑the documents themselves, which is far different

∑8∑∑than my having a document to cross examine him

∑9∑∑from, so...

10∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑No, that's not -- that's not

11∑∑what he said.∑But -- and that's not what I said,

12∑∑either.

13∑∑∑∑Listen, he has prepared himself.∑He's

14∑∑reviewed records.∑He's here to answer questions,

15∑∑right?

16∑∑∑∑We're not producing you, you know, any

17∑∑documents to you today and we're not going to delay

18∑∑the deposition any further by making the witness go

19∑∑search for documents which he can then --

20∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Now you're talking out of both

21∑∑sides --

22∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Let me finish.∑Let me finish.

23∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑You're talking out of both sides

24∑∑of your mouth.

25∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Let me finish.

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∑1∑∑∑∑We're not going -- we're not going to delay

∑2∑∑the deposition further by, you know, wasting time,

∑3∑∑making him go and look for documents to answer your

∑4∑∑questions that aren't yet due.

∑5∑∑∑∑Now, if you want to talk about this off the

∑6∑∑record later, that's fine.

∑7∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑You have instructed this witness

∑8∑∑to not refer to documents that he looked at to

∑9∑∑prepare himself for the topics in this deposition.

10∑∑That was the instruction you gave.∑I heard it,

11∑∑okay?∑And I'm asking you to reconsider that, or

12∑∑I'll get the judge on the phone and he'll ask you

13∑∑to reconsider it.

14∑∑∑∑So we can do it the easy way or we'll do it

15∑∑the hard way.∑You tell me which way you want to do

16∑∑it.

17∑∑∑∑(Simultaneous speakers.)

18∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑If you want to call Judge

19∑∑Torres, go ahead.∑Or you can proceed with your

20∑∑deposition.

21∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑What I want is, I want to go off

22∑∑the record and speak with my client and co-Counsel

23∑∑to see whether we want the Court's involvement on

24∑∑this issue.

25∑∑∑∑Give me 5 minutes, please.∑We're off the

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∑1∑∑∑∑record.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑We're off the record, 3:12 p.m.

∑3∑∑∑∑UTC time.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Recess.)

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑We're back on the record,

∑6∑∑∑∑3:14 p.m. UTC time.

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, would you mind putting your

∑9∑∑video back on, please.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Of course.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑And, Gabe, I don't know if

12∑∑∑∑you're there.∑I think that they may be out on a

13∑∑∑∑break.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Well, it appears that Counsel is not back yet

15∑∑∑∑online, so let's -- let's go off record until

16∑∑∑∑everybody is back on screen, please.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I would ask all the participants, the lawyer

18∑∑∑∑participants to advise, please, when they are

19∑∑∑∑present.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Off the record, 3:15 p.m. UTC

21∑∑∑∑time.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Recess.)

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Back on the record, 3:23 p.m.

24∑∑∑∑UTC time.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑We're back on the record.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Mr. Colwell, do you have an instruction to

∑2∑∑your witness?

∑3∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I do.

∑4∑∑∑∑Okay.∑So while we were off the record, spoke

∑5∑∑to Counsel.

∑6∑∑∑∑With respect to the financial statements, as

∑7∑∑I've said previously, we're not producing, nor are

∑8∑∑we required to produce any documents until

∑9∑∑tomorrow.

10∑∑∑∑Counsel is not -- for the Plaintiff has

11∑∑represented he's not requesting production of any

12∑∑of these records which are due tomorrow, but with

13∑∑respect to the financial statements, he has asked

14∑∑the witness to refer to the financial statements,

15∑∑information he has on the financial statements that

16∑∑the witness has indicated he has readily available.

17∑∑∑∑I am permitting the witness to answer

18∑∑questions and reference those financial statements

19∑∑in responding to questions from Plaintiff's

20∑∑Counsel.

21∑∑∑∑I am -- I am not going to have the witness go

22∑∑during the course of this deposition searching, you

23∑∑know, for various documents to respond to questions

24∑∑from Counsel.∑But as the witness has indicated, he

25∑∑has these financial, you know, records readily

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∑1∑∑∑∑available, he can reference them for questions by

∑2∑∑∑∑Plaintiff's Counsel.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay.∑And my response to that

∑4∑∑∑∑is, there is no compromise between us.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And the instruction you gave to your witness

∑6∑∑∑∑is not as the result of any negotiation that you

∑7∑∑∑∑and I have had.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑My position is clear, that if there is a

∑9∑∑∑∑document that your client acquired information from

10∑∑∑∑to give an answer, we're entitled to the

11∑∑∑∑information on the document, not what's in his

12∑∑∑∑memory of the document.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, with that said, your position is clear

14∑∑∑∑and so is mine.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And what I'd like do is to go back to the

16∑∑∑∑deposition and we'll see -- we'll deal with this

17∑∑∑∑again when -- when we can cross that bridge.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Does that work?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yes.∑And I'm not saying there's

20∑∑∑∑a compromise.∑I'm just saying -- that's basically

21∑∑∑∑what occurred, exactly what I stated, and that's my

22∑∑∑∑position.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You've stated your position.∑And go ahead and

24∑∑∑∑proceed with your questioning.

25∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So item 14 of the Notice says, "All

∑2∑∑business plans, sales plans, sales report, financial

∑3∑∑audit reports, management reports and/or similar

∑4∑∑documents from April 2013 to the present."

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑As -- as between your memory and those

∑6∑∑specific documents, which is a better source of the

∑7∑∑information in those documents, as between your memory

∑8∑∑and the documents themselves?

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection to the form of the

10∑∑∑∑question.∑Presumes that these all exist, which

11∑∑∑∑they don't.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑Mr. Ben Alluch, is your memory

14∑∑better than the documents themselves relating to the

15∑∑information in these documents?

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Same objection.

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, do you hear us?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Would you mind repeating the question one more

20∑∑time, please?

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yeah.∑As between your memory and the document

22∑∑itself, what is the better source of the information in

23∑∑the document?

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection to the form of the

25∑∑∑∑question.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Let me just rephrase your

∑2∑∑∑∑question to make sure I fully --

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑No, no, no.∑I don't want you to rephrase it.

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑I just want to make sure I understand the

∑6∑∑question, so that way you can confirm that I can answer

∑7∑∑your question appropriately.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You don't need to rephrase my question.∑You

∑9∑∑just need to answer it.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑The witness is trying to answer

11∑∑∑∑your question.∑Let the witness answer your

12∑∑∑∑question.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑You are referring to point 14,

14∑∑∑∑"All business plans, sales plans, sales reports,

15∑∑∑∑financial audit reports, management reports and/or

16∑∑∑∑similar documents from April 2013 to the present."

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I would say my memory is better than those.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Really?∑Okay.∑What's on the -- did you look

20∑∑at the sales report for November of 2019?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑The sales reports --

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Assumes facts not in

23∑∑∑∑evidence.∑Lacks foundation.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Is there a sales report?

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Better question.

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Is there a monthly sales report, Mr. Ben

∑5∑∑Alluch?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Better question.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑There are no sales reports.

∑8∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Which of these reports in item 14

10∑∑exist?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑None.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑The company does not have a business plan?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑The company has no sales plan?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑The company has no sales report?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't believe that's the case, no.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑It has no written record of how many

19∑∑subscriptions it sold to the -- to the StocksToTrade

20∑∑platform; is that your testimony?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑That's not what he

22∑∑∑∑said.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Well, I'm asking.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Does the company have any -- any documents,

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∑1∑∑electronic or otherwise, that reflect subscriptions to

∑2∑∑the StocksToTrade platform?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑We don't have documents.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, how are you defining documents?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑That's extremely broad.∑That's subjective to

∑6∑∑my personal --

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, you're saying you don't have documents.

∑8∑∑Tell me -- tell me, when you use the word documents,

∑9∑∑what are you including in that word?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Anything that can be downloaded and viewed on

11∑∑a computer.∑That's a document.∑You open it --

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So if the company does not have, quote,

13∑∑unquote, documents regarding its subscriptions to the

14∑∑StocksToTrade platform, what information does it have by

15∑∑which it records its subscription sales?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm not sure I understand your question.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What is it that you don't understand about

20∑∑that question?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's extremely broad and specific.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑It's not broad, Mr. Ben Alluch.∑I'm asking

23∑∑you --

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm -- I'm telling you how I understand the

25∑∑question.∑You cannot tell me how I understand the

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∑1∑∑question.∑I'm just asking for more specification.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, it's a simple question.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Your company sells subscriptions --

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- on the StocksToTrade platform; is that

∑6∑∑correct?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes, we sell subscription on the StocksToTrade

∑8∑∑platform, yes.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Each subscription is by a subscriber, correct?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑A subscriber pays a monthly fee to access the

12∑∑StocksToTrade platform via the internet, correct?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And so to put it pro quo is, the subscriber

15∑∑gives you money and you give the subscriber access to

16∑∑the platform, correct?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑How does the company keep records of

19∑∑its subscribers?

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑We see the list of subscribers

22∑∑∑∑on the subscription management system.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What is the subscription management system?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑We use Recurly.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I didn't ask you what you use.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What is the subscription management system?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑I just answered your question.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Give me your answer again.

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Recurly.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And what is Recurly?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is a third-party service that manages

∑8∑∑subscriptions.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And what information does Recurly keep in

10∑∑that -- in that system?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑Subscription information.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So what kind of subscription

13∑∑information?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Subscriptions.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, you don't know me.

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑No, I don't.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But I got to tell you something.∑If you're

18∑∑going to play I don't know or I see nothing, I know

19∑∑nothing --

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑Mr. Feldman, I am --

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- I can be here all day.∑I will -- I will

22∑∑drill and drill and drill until you answer the question.

23∑∑Okay?∑I'm not going to have this.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, I'm asking --

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Objection.

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm asking clean, simple questions.∑Okay?

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You're telling me that this -- this

∑4∑∑third-party service keeps subscription information.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I want to know, what are the components of the

∑6∑∑subscription information kept by that vendor?∑That's a

∑7∑∑clear -- clear question.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Argumentative.∑Ask

∑9∑∑∑∑better questions.∑Okay?

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑He's here to provide information.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You're talking about topic 14, right?∑He's --

12∑∑∑∑he clearly was -- is here to discuss the financial

13∑∑∑∑reporting.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And with respect to Recurly, I mean, just

15∑∑∑∑because you don't know what it is doesn't mean he's

16∑∑∑∑not trying to answer your question.

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Mr. Ben Alluch, we're talking about the

19∑∑company's subscription information.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What are the components of the subscription

21∑∑information kept by this third-party vendor?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑Anything relating to the subscriptions. I

23∑∑don't understand what -- I mean, components is extremely

24∑∑broad in every sense of the way.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You don't understand the word component?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑I understand the word component.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I just -- are you talking about, you know, the

∑3∑∑back end of Recurly?∑Are you talking about the emails

∑4∑∑of Recurly?∑I don't know which components you're

∑5∑∑referring to.∑It's an extremely wide system.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, when we -- when we -- listen, when you

∑7∑∑talk about subscription information, you're certainly

∑8∑∑talking about the name of the customer, right?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑We keep that, yes.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you keep the address of the customer?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you keep the phone number of the customer?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you keep the email of the customer?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you keep the credit card information of the

17∑∑customer?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑Recurly does.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you keep -- and Recurly is acting on STT's

20∑∑behalf; it's keeping the information for STT, correct?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑Recurly is a third-party service that provides

22∑∑subscription management services.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑To STT, correct?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑To StocksToTrade, yes.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Good.∑And it also maintains the subscription

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∑1∑∑history, the duration of the customer's subscription,

∑2∑∑correct?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And it also maintains a record of the revenue

∑5∑∑that that customer has paid to STT, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Other than those items which are the

∑8∑∑components or at least some of the components of the

∑9∑∑subscription information, what else -- what other

10∑∑components of information does Recurly keep, other than

11∑∑the -- other than the items that I just mentioned?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑Transaction i.d.s.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What is a transaction i.d.?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, Recurly manages subscriptions, but it's

15∑∑not our payment gateway.∑Payments go through a separate

16∑∑system.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Transaction i.d.s are where the payment

18∑∑happened it's kept -- there's a record kept on Recurly.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, as -- do you have a photo memory

20∑∑of every record of every subscriber that this vendor

21∑∑keeps for STT?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not have a photo memory of every record

23∑∑and every subscriber.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you would agree that the best information

25∑∑regarding the subscription, the company subscription

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∑1∑∑history, are the actual records kept by this vendor,

∑2∑∑correct?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you have those records with you this

∑5∑∑morning?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't have the records from Recurly, no.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you're here today to give us information

∑8∑∑you remember from this vendor, but you do not have the

∑9∑∑vendor's information with you, correct?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑You're -- I don't understand your question.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection to the form of the

12∑∑∑∑question.

13∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You do not have the information with you to

15∑∑give to us today; is that right?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not have the Recurly information today

17∑∑with me.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Thank you.∑Okay.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Documents, he doesn't have any

20∑∑∑∑documents, nor is this part of the deposition

21∑∑∑∑Notice.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑It isn't?

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑No.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, when we talk about sales for

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∑1∑∑STT, we talk about subscriptions, don't we?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑When we talk about sales?∑My understanding is

∑3∑∑we talk about transactions happening that generates

∑4∑∑revenue, and the revenue goes --

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, the company sells

∑6∑∑subscriptions through the StocksToTrade platform; isn't

∑7∑∑that right?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So when we talk about -- when we use

10∑∑the word sales in relation to StocksToTrade.com, Inc.,

11∑∑we are talking about subscription sales, correct?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is your understanding of it.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, tell me.∑Isn't that the truth?∑Isn't

14∑∑that what your company does?∑It sells subscriptions

15∑∑through the StocksToTrade platform.∑Isn't that the

16∑∑truth, yes or no?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑There were multiple components to your

18∑∑question, sir.∑I just want to make sure --

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, stop.

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑Stop what?

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Your job is to answer questions.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑This is

23∑∑∑∑argumentative.∑Stop badgering the witness.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I am not arguing --

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑COURT REPORTER:∑One at a time, please.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑You're just arguing with the

∑2∑∑∑∑witness.∑Ask a question.

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, isn't it true that

∑5∑∑StocksToTrade's sole product, the sole thing it sells

∑6∑∑are subscriptions to the StocksToTrade platform, yes or

∑7∑∑no?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑That's not true.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑What else does it sell?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Educational products.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Other than -- other than educational

12∑∑products and the StocksToTrade platform, what else does

13∑∑it sell?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑E-books, courses.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Those are educational products, are they not?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Let me -- let me define educational products

17∑∑for you.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑We have courses that are with live training,

19∑∑so that's what we understand as an educational product.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Then we have one-time sales that are going to

21∑∑be books, E-books or course videos.∑Those are -- we

22∑∑consider them separately from the educational product as

23∑∑a subscription, which is our understanding of

24∑∑educational products at this point.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I have no interest in the educational

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∑1∑∑products.∑I'm here to talk today about the sales that

∑2∑∑the company makes regarding subscriptions to the

∑3∑∑StocksToTrade platform.∑Okay?

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, you would agree that your company makes

∑5∑∑money by selling subscriptions to the StocksToTrade

∑6∑∑platform, correct?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑It makes money selling a variety of products,

∑8∑∑which includes the StocksToTrade platform.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, and the best record of the number

10∑∑of subscribers that the company has ever had are the

11∑∑records, that is in the past or currently, are the

12∑∑records kept by that third-party vendor you mentioned,

13∑∑correct?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑And you, sitting here today, you

16∑∑don't have knowledge of the entirety of the contents of

17∑∑those records, correct?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And if you were going to give us information

20∑∑about the number of subscriptions the company had in a

21∑∑particular month and the revenue generated from those

22∑∑subscriptions, you would need those records to give that

23∑∑information, correct?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑I would need to go to Recurly as a platform to

25∑∑look at the information on their dashboard.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Would you please go to Recurly and tell

∑2∑∑me how many subscriptions the company had in the month

∑3∑∑of November 2019?

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑No, we're not going to do that.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Thank you.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑You can -- you can ask your

∑7∑∑∑∑questions.∑He's not going to go look for

∑8∑∑∑∑documents.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Like I said, the topics you've asked for are

10∑∑∑∑sales, revenue.∑He can provide that information to

11∑∑∑∑you.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑He's not going to go searching for documents

13∑∑∑∑throughout this deposition.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑You are -- Counsel, you are

15∑∑∑∑impairing this deposition through your

16∑∑∑∑instructions, and I'm just telling you up front,

17∑∑∑∑we're going to seek sanctions for the interference

18∑∑∑∑that you are causing by your instructions.∑You're

19∑∑∑∑impairing our ability to take this deposition.

20∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, answer my question, please, Mr. Ben

22∑∑Alluch.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑How many subscribers did the company have in

24∑∑November of 2019?∑Do you have that information

25∑∑available, sir?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not have it available.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, what would you need in order to answer

∑3∑∑that question?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑I would need to open my browser, log into

∑5∑∑Recurly, enter to factor identification, and then open

∑6∑∑the dashboard for Recurly, and then proceed to the

∑7∑∑analytics information of the platform.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Please do that, sir.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑We're going to go off record.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑No, we're not.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yeah, we are.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Hey, Witness, we're going to go off record.

13∑∑∑∑We're taking a break.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Again, totally inappropriate.

15∑∑∑∑Totally inappropriate.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And do not go off record, please.∑Madame

17∑∑∑∑Court Reporter and Videographer, please do not go

18∑∑∑∑off record.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Yes, sir.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Let the record reflect with a

21∑∑∑∑question pending Counsel is consulting with his

22∑∑∑∑client.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And our record should also reflect, and all

24∑∑∑∑I'm doing right now is burning my time, so I am

25∑∑∑∑going to agree to go off record because they have

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∑1∑∑∑∑shut down their video and they have shut down their

∑2∑∑∑∑audio in the midst of a question pending.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And we'll go off the record now.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑We're off the record, 3:40 p.m.

∑5∑∑∑∑UTC time.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Recess.)

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑We're back on the record,

∑8∑∑∑∑3:45 p.m. UTC time.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Is Plaintiff's Counsel on the

10∑∑∑∑record or is Plaintiff's Counsel still waiting?

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Mr. Feldman is not back yet.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑No, okay.∑I'm sorry.∑I was

13∑∑∑∑here.

14∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, what's the answer to my

16∑∑question?

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑So Mr. Ben Alluch is not

18∑∑∑∑answering.∑There's no question pending.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Here's the issue with respect to Recurly.

20∑∑∑∑And, again, this is the problem when Plaintiff has

21∑∑∑∑not sought timely discovery.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Recurly has customer lists.∑We've objected to

23∑∑∑∑customer lists.∑Okay?

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑We're not producing any information about

25∑∑∑∑customer lists.∑This witness is not going to

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∑1∑∑testify about customer lists.

∑2∑∑∑∑With respects to sales information, subscriber

∑3∑∑information, number of subscribers, revenue

∑4∑∑generated and the rest, this witness, STT's

∑5∑∑corporate designee, will testify regarding that.

∑6∑∑∑∑We're going to designate this information

∑7∑∑highly confidential and he can access that from the

∑8∑∑relevant records that he has before him.

∑9∑∑∑∑That's the instruction to the witness.

10∑∑∑∑Ask your question.

11∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Well, there's a question

12∑∑pending.

13∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I'm not aware of any question

14∑∑pending.∑All I heard was a lot of argument before

15∑∑we took our break.

16∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑You did what lawyers --

17∑∑∑∑(Simultaneous speakers.)

18∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑-- is to instruct the witness

19∑∑not to answer the question that is pending and then

20∑∑go off record and privately consult with the

21∑∑witness to tell him how to answer the question,

22∑∑which is completely inappropriate, which I'll bring

23∑∑up with Judge Torres, in addition to a whole bunch

24∑∑of other things.

25∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yeah, none of that happened.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Simultaneous speakers.)

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑But what I just -- what I just

∑3∑∑∑∑said is what happened.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Yeah, I know.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑If you have a question, you can

∑6∑∑∑∑ask the question.∑If you -- have any questions for

∑7∑∑∑∑this witness, then you can do whatever you want.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Sandra, would you read back the

∑9∑∑∑∑pending question, please.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑COURT REPORTER:∑Yes, sir.∑Before I do, I

11∑∑∑∑need one person speaking at a time, please.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(A portion of the transcript was read.)

13∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So Mr. Ben Alluch, would you please

15∑∑proceed to open the Recurly platform.

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑He's already done so.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑And like I say, the

20∑∑∑∑clarification was with respect to customer lists,

21∑∑∑∑which we've already objected to, and I've already

22∑∑∑∑made my record on that point.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What I want to do, please, is, I want you to

25∑∑give me from the launch of STT in February of 2016, I

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∑1∑∑want the number of subscribers and gross revenue for

∑2∑∑those subscribers for each month, commencing with the

∑3∑∑first month that the company launched the StocksToTrade

∑4∑∑platform, please.

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Could you be specific about dates, please?

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yeah.∑From the very -- from the very first

∑7∑∑month where the company made money selling subscriptions

∑8∑∑through the StocksToTrade platform up to current date,

∑9∑∑please give me that information.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection to the form.∑Calls

11∑∑∑∑for --

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Counsel --

13∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then, Mr. Ben Alluch, you're obviously

15∑∑looking at something based on what I'm observing on the

16∑∑screen.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Would you confirm what it is that you're

18∑∑looking at to give me this information?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑I am looking at the monthly recurring revenue

20∑∑analytics portion of Recurly right now.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑Which I am querying between February 15, 2016,

23∑∑to today.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑* * * * *

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∑1∑∑∑∑transcript has been declared confidential and is

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20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay.

21∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑So Mr. Ben Alluch, let's talk

23∑∑about events now.∑Okay?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And what I want to do, and I understand now

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∑1∑∑we're going to be talking about the genesis of the

∑2∑∑StocksToTrade platform, going back to the earliest day,

∑3∑∑month and year that this project began.∑Okay?

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And I understand from the earlier conversation

∑5∑∑that this information is personal, as opposed to

∑6∑∑corporate, correct?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑Anything -- anything just, as an addition,

10∑∑anything preceding the formation or the incorporation of

11∑∑StocksToTrade I will answer on a personal basis, based

12∑∑on my knowledge and experience as myself.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So let's -- let's talk.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So when -- what was the earliest point of

15∑∑origin of the development of the StocksToTrade platform?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Would you mind being more specific?

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Sure.∑We got your company's interrogatory

18∑∑responses and we know the following:∑That there was

19∑∑a -- in fact, I'll just -- I'll just read it.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑In response to interrogatory 5, SST -- I'm

21∑∑sorry -- STT, in response to my client's first set of

22∑∑interrogatories, this is in response to interrogatory

23∑∑number 5, said:∑"Jewmon entered into an agreement with

24∑∑Scopic Software on or about May 7, 2014, under the terms

25∑∑of which Scopic provided software development services

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∑1∑∑to Jewmon.∑STT entered into an agreement with Scopic

∑2∑∑Software, on or about May 7, 2016, under the terms of

∑3∑∑which Scopic provided software development services to

∑4∑∑STT.∑STT further states that under the May 7, 2014, and

∑5∑∑May 7, 2016, agreements with Scopic, Jewmon and/or STT

∑6∑∑independently developed the STT platform."

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Okay?∑So this is where we start.∑This is

∑8∑∑information that STT gave us.∑All right?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑So starting with the May 2014

11∑∑Jewmon/Scopic agreement, that's the point in time where

12∑∑I want to direct you.∑Okay?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑Do you have knowledge as to --

15∑∑first, do you have knowledge as to who initially

16∑∑contacted Scopic on behalf of Jewmon?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not have the knowledge.∑I can only

18∑∑assume, but I don't have the knowledge.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Tell me what you do know regarding this topic

20∑∑that is --

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑So --

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe that Tim and Zach initiated the

24∑∑contact with Scopic Software.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑When?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't have the specific dates on that.

∑2∑∑Based on -- based on what you said --

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑It would have been before May 2014, correct?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑I cannot speak to that.∑I wasn't privy of

∑5∑∑those conversations.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So based on the dates you gave me, which

∑7∑∑was -- was it May 7, 2014?

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes, according to the interrogatory response,

∑9∑∑May 7, 2014.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yeah.∑So it would -- I guess if they had --

11∑∑if the agreement was signed, my understanding is it

12∑∑would -- they would have talked prior to that just to

13∑∑set it up, but I have no knowledge of the details on how

14∑∑that was established during that time.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you know if any other companies were

16∑∑contacted, other than Scopic, to develop the

17∑∑StocksToTrade platform?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't believe that's the case.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you know how Scopic was found?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm not sure.∑And I believe it may have been

21∑∑a contact of Zach.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you know what motivated Zach to contact

23∑∑Scopic?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can -- I can only assume.∑I do not know,

25∑∑but I can only assume.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What -- then tell me what you assume.

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑So my assumption would be that the prior

∑3∑∑version, so the white label version of StocksToTrade,

∑4∑∑was not able to evolve or there was no desire to -- this

∑5∑∑is, again, based on prior conversations, not

∑6∑∑specifically on the subject, but my understanding is

∑7∑∑there might have been a split over the direction to take

∑8∑∑with the software, which was not satisfactory.∑And I

∑9∑∑guess Tim and Zach wanted to make something evolve that

10∑∑was more catered to the penny stocking people and the

11∑∑way Tim Sykes teaches, as opposed to some of the things.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And one of the big limitations that EquityFeed

13∑∑had at the time was charting was extremely bad, given

14∑∑the fact that the entire demographics that serves or

15∑∑that Tim Sykes aims to serve focuses on penny stock

16∑∑trading, which relies a lot on charting information.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So one of the down sides was, I guess, maybe,

18∑∑you know, EquityFeed wasn't willing to make that product

19∑∑evolve, at which point there might have been a split,

20∑∑but again, I can only assume that's the case, which led

21∑∑to creating their own product and pushing the features

22∑∑they wanted to see, which was very focused specifically

23∑∑on charting and more of the Tim related indicators that

24∑∑he wanted to see for his demographic as we started out,

25∑∑or as, you know, StocksToTrade started out in the

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∑1∑∑software end, then evolved into the software that it is

∑2∑∑today.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑When you talk about indicators, we're talking

∑4∑∑about criteria that people can use to filter the

∑5∑∑StocksToTrade database, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑When -- when I talk about indicators, I'm

∑7∑∑talking about how Tim finds his stocks.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And my understanding is, you know -- or

∑9∑∑actually, as a user I know this for a fact of EquityFeed

10∑∑prior to joining StocksToTrade.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I was actually on The Challenge program, which

12∑∑is Tim's educational program, and I was part of the

13∑∑StocksToTrade white label as a customer.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And during that time, one of the selling

15∑∑features for StocksToTrade as a white label was the

16∑∑ability to have those, you know, tools to be able to

17∑∑find stocks quickly, based on the knowledge that Tim

18∑∑Sykes offered to find them.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, the white label had Tim Sykes' 40 -- 40

20∑∑scans, didn't it?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe that's the case.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So the white label agreement had the

23∑∑information that Sykes thought was important in

24∑∑locating --

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑I --

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- problem stocks, right?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe -- yeah, I believe Tim Sykes

∑3∑∑provided that information to EquityFeed somehow.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑In fact, as a user, you know that

∑5∑∑Sykes' 40 scans were on the white label, don't you?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑To the best of my recollection, I would say I

∑7∑∑think they were probably there.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes, okay.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, do you know if both Tim and Zach

10∑∑communicated with Scopic?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑Tim never really communicated with Scopic.

12∑∑And let me -- let me rephrase my answer.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I don't believe Tim ever communicated with

14∑∑Scopic, just because it's his -- forgive me the way I'm

15∑∑saying this -- but he's incompetent in anything that has

16∑∑to do with technology.∑He has no ability to fully

17∑∑understand or describe a technical need to someone who's

18∑∑versed in technical specific fields.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What about Zach?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑Zach might understand slightly what is going

21∑∑on, but he's also not someone who's technically

22∑∑oriented, so he wouldn't be able to understand the

23∑∑specifics of how a given program would work.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And my understanding is that, you know, they

25∑∑hired Scopic specifically because they didn't quite

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∑1∑∑understand how or the technicalities of making a

∑2∑∑program.∑They didn't have that knowledge and weren't

∑3∑∑able to hire the people that may have had it at that

∑4∑∑point to create whatever it is they wanted to do at that

∑5∑∑point in time.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Were either -- strike that.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Based on your personal knowledge, are either

∑8∑∑Zach or Tim, that is, Tim Sykes or Zach Westphal,

∑9∑∑skilled to develop a graphic user interface?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you agree that in order to develop a

12∑∑graphic user interface, you first need to know the

13∑∑visual; that is, what you want that interface to look

14∑∑like to the user, correct?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not agree with that.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm sorry?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't -- I don't agree with that.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So then perhaps you can help me

19∑∑understand it.∑But let me, if I may just for a moment,

20∑∑use a narrative.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What I'm understanding is that if I -- if I

22∑∑know what I want my interface to look like, I can then

23∑∑have code written to create that visual.∑And I operate

24∑∑on the understanding that in order to create the visual,

25∑∑you need to create the code, and the code can't be

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∑1∑∑written until you know what the visual -- until you know

∑2∑∑what the visual -- until you know what you want the

∑3∑∑visual to look like.∑Is that understanding correct or

∑4∑∑incorrect?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe that's not the case.∑It's --

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Can you explain it then to me, please, Mr. Ben

∑7∑∑Alluch?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑I feel like your -- your perception of user

∑9∑∑interfaces overall is oversimplified, and there's a lot

10∑∑more elements in the development process that -- some

11∑∑include, you know, user interfaces.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And in order to have a user interface, you

13∑∑need coding when it comes to functional programming.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So in order to have something visual, whether

15∑∑it's -- in this case you're using zoom.∑It has its own

16∑∑interface.∑It has code underneath, right?

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Uh-huh.

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑But that code is not necessarily defined by a

19∑∑graphical design.∑People can come up with just basic

20∑∑code.∑And you can find online all kinds of ugly

21∑∑interfaces that are just coded in a way.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What that means is --

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Let me stop you for one second, just so --

24∑∑this is helpful.∑But I want to make sure for the

25∑∑benefit of those who listen to this down the road that

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∑1∑∑they understand what we're talking about.∑All right?

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So let's define terms.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑When we talk about a graphic user interface or

∑4∑∑when you talk about a graphic user interface, what are

∑5∑∑you talking about?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑I am referring to the portion of the software

∑7∑∑that a given user or user can interact with on a screen.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So -- so when we talk about Google,

∑9∑∑the Google interface, the Google interface is what we

10∑∑see when we go to google.com.∑It's the visuals on the

11∑∑landing page for google.com, correct?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑I would say that is an oversimplification of

13∑∑it, and that -- you just added a different layer of

14∑∑that, because essentially what you see in Google is a

15∑∑web page.∑And while it is an interface, what you're

16∑∑seeing is the interface of the browser as a rendering

17∑∑engine that's grabbing code provided by a given service,

18∑∑in this case, Google, that gets recreated based on that

19∑∑code by a third-party software.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So the way -- in your example, the way a

21∑∑browser works is, you're basically requesting some

22∑∑information from a server, and that server resends you

23∑∑code.∑And the role of that browser is to render a

24∑∑visual code into something a user can interact with.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So for all intents and purposes the interface

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∑1∑∑is not really created by Google.∑It's rendered by the

∑2∑∑browser.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And you can see these differences if you go on

∑4∑∑Chrome, for example, as a browser, if you do Edge or

∑5∑∑Safari, depending on the versions they are adhering to

∑6∑∑when it comes to standards of html, which is the coding

∑7∑∑used for web pages, you'll see different things.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So Safari, for example, has a tendency to not

∑9∑∑respect the standards.∑And so when you're coding in a

10∑∑certain way, it's not going to look the same between the

11∑∑two.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So that's a user interface that's defined by

13∑∑the browser.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And then someone is coding it.∑And that's,

15∑∑again, it's a different problem than what you're

16∑∑alluding to earlier.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What I'd like you to do, if you could, first,

18∑∑direct -- we're dealing -- we're dealing with a graphic

19∑∑user interface in this case; you would agree?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, let me step back.∑And I'm going to --

22∑∑I'm going to have to use a lay explanation here.∑All

23∑∑right?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So there -- when you go to stockstotrade.com

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∑1∑∑and you sign into the StocksToTrade platform, when we're

∑2∑∑on the platform there are visuals, correct?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe you just mixed two completely

∑4∑∑different aspects of the business.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, let me -- let me be specific.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑To get -- to get to the StocksToTrade

∑7∑∑platform, you need to go to stockstotrade.com, correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑That's partially accurate.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And then -- so you need a portal to the

10∑∑platform, correct?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So tell me what is incorrect about

13∑∑that.

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑StocksToTrade is a software.∑It's not --

15∑∑okay.∑So -- and what I was alluding to earlier, you are

16∑∑mixing two different things.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑You mentioned StocksToTrade.com.∑That's a

19∑∑website.∑It's how we market our product, how we bring

20∑∑people in.∑We do search engine optimization.∑We do

21∑∑marketing.∑We send emails.∑And they go there and they

22∑∑see, you know, our offerings or anything we want them to

23∑∑see on a public basis.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑We have a link that goes to our customer

25∑∑dashboard where they can log in and see their billing

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∑1∑∑information.∑And all of that is what they see, they

∑2∑∑manage their accounts, but has nothing to do with the

∑3∑∑application.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, you do need to have that account, which

∑5∑∑is synchronized, to be able to access the platform.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, the platform in sales, our market data

∑7∑∑analysis platform, that is a piece of software that you

∑8∑∑actually need to install on your computer independently

∑9∑∑of the website.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So the website is not needed once you have

11∑∑downloaded and you have an active subscription, right?

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So you logged in, you downloaded the piece of

13∑∑software, and then you are able to run StocksToTrade on

14∑∑your machine with your credentials.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑But those two, other than the account

16∑∑management system that we have that basically deals with

17∑∑the permissions, do not intertwine in any way or form.

18∑∑They do not communicate in any way or form.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑StocksToTrade is software.∑And then

20∑∑StocksToTrade.com is our website to bring people in and

21∑∑then do other kind of public management or, you know,

22∑∑customer facing visuals that people need to be able to

23∑∑have to know what we do or find information about us.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So let's put the website aside.

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then let's talk about the StocksToTrade

∑2∑∑platform.

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, so to get on to the platform, you need to

∑5∑∑log on, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then you would install your user name and

∑8∑∑a pass code, and then you would press enter.∑And then

∑9∑∑if all is good, the platform appears on your computer

10∑∑screen, correct?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑So you would log into the website.∑You would

12∑∑download the package that -- whether it's Mac or

13∑∑Windows, you would download that onto your computer.

14∑∑Then you need to go through the installation process.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So that -- that downloaded file has a number

16∑∑of other files, which will put files or, you know, the

17∑∑contents in specific folders for a customer to be able

18∑∑to run that application on their computer.∑Just having

19∑∑the downloaded file will not execute.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Once that is installed as a piece of software,

21∑∑the same way you would install Chrome or Zoom on your

22∑∑computer as a naked application, what we call naked

23∑∑application, which means it runs directly on the

24∑∑machine, as opposed to a web application, which runs on

25∑∑a browser and on external server.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So the naked application, once installed on

∑2∑∑your system, at that point you will have an icon on your

∑3∑∑desktop.∑You can double click on that and it will pop

∑4∑∑up the log-in screen that is part of the naked

∑5∑∑application and not the website.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Got it.∑Now, once you log in, what do you

∑7∑∑see?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑That depends.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Please, help me.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, it depends on the type or -- the type of

11∑∑customer you are or you're -- whether it's the first

12∑∑time or not that you're having.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Alluding back to what I was saying about our

14∑∑market responsibilities, so let's say you just signed up

15∑∑for StocksToTrade, right, on a fully paid, not a trial,

16∑∑because those have different ways we manage it.∑But

17∑∑let's say you just signed up for the full subscription,

18∑∑monthly subscription.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So you enter your credit number, pay the

20∑∑179.95 we have for the monthly subscription, which is

21∑∑the base.∑You have your credentials.∑You enter your

22∑∑credentials.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And what we display at that point is going to

24∑∑be the market agreements, and that is our requirements

25∑∑from the markets and exchanges to collect information

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∑1∑∑from each customer to either qualify them or disqualify

∑2∑∑them as what we call non-professional users.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And the meaning of that is essentially really

∑4∑∑for billing purposes on the market side.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑But a professional user is what's recognized

∑6∑∑as a FINRA registered user or someone who has the

∑7∑∑ability to trade on behalf of other people, such as

∑8∑∑financial advisers, registered FINRA representatives,

∑9∑∑you know, securities dealers, broker/dealer employees,

10∑∑things like that, or anyone ultimately representing a --

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. TOUIZER:∑You're trying to get to when the

12∑∑∑∑user loads up the platform, what does he see?∑And

13∑∑∑∑he's taking you --

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Sorry.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Stephan, you need to mute your

16∑∑∑∑microphone.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. TOUIZER:∑Oh.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Go ahead.∑I apologize, sir.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Go ahead.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Right.∑So what I was getting

21∑∑∑∑at, they have to fill out those forms.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And at that point they end up -- so once they

23∑∑∑∑agree to everything and we have qualified them, so

24∑∑∑∑that means they answer that they are

25∑∑∑∑non-professional, at that point what happens is, we

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∑1∑∑∑∑grant them access to the actual interface, what you

∑2∑∑∑∑understand as the user interface.

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So -- and that's where -- that's where

∑5∑∑I want to go.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So at what --

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- point are we at the user interface?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑I did not hear that part.∑I'm sorry.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Pardon me.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑At what point in the log-in process are we at

12∑∑the user interface?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑Everything you see is a user interface.∑The

14∑∑log-in screen is a user interface.∑The market

15∑∑agreements are user interfaces.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But -- and I think you understand what I'm

17∑∑saying.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑At what point are we at the user interface for

19∑∑the StocksToTrade platform tool itself?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑So the functional platform, the user interface

21∑∑with the tooling, that is after the log in and after

22∑∑they have agreed to the market agreements.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And in the example I was giving, once that is

24∑∑done, you're not due to refill those for another year.

25∑∑So every time you log in after that, you'll have access

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∑1∑∑to the platform.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, when you -- so we're now -- we're

∑3∑∑now on the platform.∑And can we agree that there are

∑4∑∑different components of the user interface in relation

∑5∑∑to different functions of the platform?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑I would agree that there are a number of

∑7∑∑different interactions you can do to perform different

∑8∑∑activities on the platform through the user interface we

∑9∑∑have created.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So is it one user interface or multiple user

11∑∑interfaces?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑I feel like we're playing on semantics there.

13∑∑I mean, the user interface presents what the user

14∑∑interacts with.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And as I explained before, StocksToTrade is

16∑∑modular.∑So we have a lot of little components within

17∑∑what we call the platform, but it's really modular.∑So

18∑∑each piece of the software exists in its own thing and

19∑∑may have links to other pieces of the interface itself.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑How many modules does the StocksToTrade

21∑∑platform have?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'll have to choose how to break it down.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑If I grab, like, the major features, I would

24∑∑say that's probably, like, 60, 70, and not including

25∑∑anything that goes behind the scenes that people don't

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∑1∑∑see.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So user interface only, we probably have

∑3∑∑about, like, maybe 50 modules, just top of my head.∑And

∑4∑∑I would have to validate with a list of things we have.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So now, when you use modules, are you talking

∑6∑∑about functions?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑You need to be more specific.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, what defines a module?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑It -- well, I would call -- so my

10∑∑understanding on a module is any piece of tooling that

11∑∑may have a representation visually within the interface.

12∑∑And that may come in very different shapes and forms,

13∑∑depending on the type of tool that you are using.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, let's -- let's talk about Screener Plus.

15∑∑Okay?

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You would agree that that's a module of the

17∑∑StocksToTrade platform, correct?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑Screener Plus, I would qualify that as a

19∑∑module within StocksToTrade as a platform.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And it has its own visuals, correct?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And those visuals are the user interface for

23∑∑that function, correct?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑I wouldn't call it a function.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What would you call it?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑The module.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So when someone logs on to the

∑3∑∑StocksToTrade platform, what do they need to do to get

∑4∑∑from the landing page to the Screener Plus page?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑There's no landing page.∑But in order to get

∑6∑∑to Screener Plus, they would have to actively open a tab

∑7∑∑and then specifically select that function.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So when a user first starts up the platform as

∑9∑∑a brand-new user, they will have basically nothing on

10∑∑screen.∑There's nothing displayed.∑There's the shell,

11∑∑which has the, what I would call the container module,

12∑∑which is basically an empty space where it can basically

13∑∑load different pieces of the software.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So that's kind of like the top level module

15∑∑that is tasked with containing other pieces of that

16∑∑interface.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑When you start up the application, you have

18∑∑nothing.∑You just have the container module and you

19∑∑have the buttons that allow you to open various tooling.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The first time you run it, you will have a

21∑∑tutorial available that kind of like shows arrows on how

22∑∑to do things.∑But beyond that, once that tutorial

23∑∑closes, you're left with essentially, like, the title

24∑∑bar, the toolbars and the sidebar with empty spaces for

25∑∑you to basically decide how you want to fill out your

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∑1∑∑space, depending on your own personal needs for trading.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, if someone wants to use Screener Plus,

∑3∑∑what do they do?

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You can answer.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑In order to do that, as I

∑7∑∑∑∑mentioned earlier, the process for opening that

∑8∑∑∑∑specific feature within the platform, they would

∑9∑∑∑∑have to go and visit -- actually, not go and visit.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑They would have to open a tab, which would

11∑∑∑∑qualify as another type of container feature or a

12∑∑∑∑module.∑And then they would have to actively click

13∑∑∑∑on the button that's -- that has a tool set that

14∑∑∑∑says Screener Plus.

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, they press that button.

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑Uh-huh.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What happens?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑So once they press the button within that tab

20∑∑container module, the window for the Screener Plus

21∑∑feature comes up -- or the module, the visual portion of

22∑∑the module comes up within the tab.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, that visual portion of the Screener Plus

24∑∑module, is that -- is that part of the software?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's a module as part of the software, just

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∑1∑∑like all other modules on their own.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Whatever is in a module is in the software,

∑3∑∑correct?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's part of the platform, yes.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So a graphic user interface is

∑6∑∑actually part of the software, correct?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑The software needs to be --

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Form.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑The software needs to be a -- I

10∑∑∑∑mean, unless you like doing things in a console or

11∑∑∑∑a terminal, for all intents and purposes a software

12∑∑∑∑in the understanding of this conversation has to

13∑∑∑∑have a graphic user interface; otherwise, there is

14∑∑∑∑no way for you to interact with the technology.

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So the -- in Screener Plus, the

17∑∑graphic user interface for Screener Plus is part of the

18∑∑software for Screener Plus, correct?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑The graphical user interface is part of the

20∑∑Screener Plus -- so let me word that properly.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The graphical user interface for Screener Plus

22∑∑is part of the Screener Plus module, which belongs to

23∑∑or, you know, associates with all the other modules that

24∑∑represent the StocksToTrade platform.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So -- but the screener -- what's under

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∑1∑∑the visuals on the Screener Plus platform is the

∑2∑∑software, what drives the visual?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑I want to make sure I fully understand how

∑4∑∑you're defining software, because everything --

∑5∑∑everything is software.∑By definition, you know, a

∑6∑∑module is software, the platform is software and the

∑7∑∑containers around them are software.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm talking about code.

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑Again, anything related to anything that runs

10∑∑on a computer is called software.∑And that's why I want

11∑∑to make sure I fully grasp how you're defining that.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑What I'm talking about now is the

13∑∑Screener Plus graphic user interface; that is, as I'm

14∑∑using that term, it is the visual that the user sees on

15∑∑Screener Plus that allows that user to achieve or to use

16∑∑the functionality of that module to actually do scans.

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑So to answer your question, there is software

18∑∑supporting the module of Screener Plus and displaying

19∑∑the graphical user interface for the end user as part of

20∑∑the Screener Plus module.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, so the graphic user interface has

22∑∑a design, correct?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you would agree that part of that design

25∑∑is the sequencing of indicators, correct?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't believe I can agree to it.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Why not?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Design is a visual representation of

∑4∑∑something.∑But my understanding is, you're alluding to

∑5∑∑the actual functionality that supports the graphical

∑6∑∑user interface.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So fair enough.∑All right?∑So

∑8∑∑let's -- let's separate them.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So when we talk about the -- when you talk

10∑∑about the design of graphic user interface, what are you

11∑∑talking about?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑The portion that a user interacts with on a

13∑∑screen with a mouse or keyboard shortcuts, depending on

14∑∑how that is implemented.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑All right.∑And then when we talk about

16∑∑sequencing indicators, what -- what does that mean to

17∑∑you?

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑It's very vague to me.∑I mean,

20∑∑∑∑that can mean a million things and I have no

21∑∑∑∑reference point for how you're describing that.

22∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, I'm getting -- I'm getting that language

24∑∑from your deposition, your prior deposition.∑That's

25∑∑how -- that's how you -- the words sequencing indicators

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∑1∑∑came from you, not from me.

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑I would need more -- like, my deposition

∑3∑∑happened a month ago and I've been looking at a lot of

∑4∑∑different communications, so without context it's

∑5∑∑impossible for me to be able to --

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So --

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑-- recollect that.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- to sort of bring this back to where I was

∑9∑∑probably 25 minutes ago.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right?∑Screener Plus -- Screener Plus has

12∑∑its own visual, doesn't it?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And who designed that visual?∑The visual

15∑∑that -- that a user has seen since February 16, 2016,

16∑∑who designed that visual?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑That's inaccurate.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

19∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Who designed the visual that --

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑I would like to answer your question, but your

22∑∑timeline is incorrect.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑We can agree that Screener Plus

24∑∑launched with StocksToTrade, the StocksToTrade platform

25∑∑in February of 2016; is that correct?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑No, it's not.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So when did Screener Plus launch?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑That was released in, I believe, November 9,

∑4∑∑2016, so roughly eight months, November 9th, ten months

∑5∑∑after release.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Was there a scanning feature on the software

∑7∑∑on StocksToTrade's platform in February of 2016?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑There was a rough --

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑There was a very rough screener

11∑∑∑∑that had --

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What was that called?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑It wasn't called anything.∑It was just a

15∑∑filtering feature.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So what I want to do is draw your

17∑∑attention to that -- that first scanning feature.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Can we give it a name?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Filter.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What's that?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑Stock filter, I guess.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So who designed the stock filter that

23∑∑was on before -- before Screener Plus?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't think that had to be designed.∑It was

25∑∑just, you know, grabbing the fields from our -- let

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∑1∑∑me -- let me answer that with a bit of context before,

∑2∑∑just to make sure we have a full understanding of what's

∑3∑∑going on.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So the way StocksToTrade works internally, I

∑5∑∑believe like any screener whatsoever, or for that matter

∑6∑∑that is available to the general public, StocksToTrade

∑7∑∑or otherwise, is, we have what is -- would be called an

∑8∑∑internal database.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑A database is basically a tabular view of

10∑∑information that has either rows or columns, depends on

11∑∑how you present your data.∑For all intents and

12∑∑purposes, let's just go with a regular relational

13∑∑database.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So you would have data presented in a form

15∑∑that has columns -- and let me compare that to Excel.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You would put your header on Excel.∑You have

17∑∑the names of the fields at the top, and then you will

18∑∑have rows that each represent entries with its own

19∑∑values sequentially, depending on how you decide to sort

20∑∑that information.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The principle behind how we receive the data

22∑∑is similar to that.∑We get the data and then we store

23∑∑it inside an internal database, which is essentially,

24∑∑for all intents and purposes, a glorified Excel sheet in

25∑∑memory.∑And the reason why it's in memory is because

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∑1∑∑it's a lot faster to process and address in a binary

∑2∑∑format, which means it's compressed and properly

∑3∑∑addressable within that standpoint.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So you have that in memory, it's a database.

∑5∑∑And that's, generally speaking, the general definition

∑6∑∑of a database, it stores data, and depending on the type

∑7∑∑of database you have, it's presented differently.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑In our case we have columns that defines the

∑9∑∑fields, so, for example, you have -- in the case of

10∑∑stock trading, you have price, volume, you know, net

11∑∑change, percent change, bid, ask, you have all of these

12∑∑represent columns which are fields associated with a

13∑∑given row, which represent a record within that

14∑∑database.∑Okay?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, to answer your question, essentially that

16∑∑filtering piece that we have, all it does is an

17∑∑interface that offers a way to query that database, the

18∑∑same way you would just run code or the same way I

19∑∑actually pulled the information for you earlier, was

20∑∑essentially writing similar code to what would be used

21∑∑to access the data for the stuff, just different

22∑∑representation for different data.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So my Recurly data that I provided earlier is

24∑∑in a database, it has rows, I pulled it the same way.

25∑∑You generate the query, you write it down, and then it

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∑1∑∑gives you results.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The same principle applies to that portion of

∑3∑∑the software where you have those columns and you want

∑4∑∑to find stocks that, say, that have a price between $5

∑5∑∑and $10, right?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So what the filter does is essentially we're

∑7∑∑offering the selection of fields that we thought were

∑8∑∑most appropriate at the time, and we provided the user

∑9∑∑with a way that they wouldn't have to write that code to

10∑∑pick it up.∑And essentially you don't never want people

11∑∑to write code because it's not their familiarity.∑They

12∑∑can understand, okay, price between this and this, but

13∑∑they wouldn't understand writing code, like, select star

14∑∑from table stocks where price is between $5 and $10,

15∑∑right?

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So we simplify that interface providing that

17∑∑functionality that would normally be coded manually by

18∑∑someone more experienced with, you know, a database

19∑∑system into something that is simplistic at best.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And I would say that initial version of it was

21∑∑oversimplified and ugly, just because the entire

22∑∑software back in 2016 wasn't really polished or even

23∑∑properly finished at that point in time.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So that feature was just blended together by

25∑∑the developers to be able to provide that simple

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∑1∑∑functionality of querying the database of stocks

∑2∑∑underneath, you know, StocksToTrade, which is

∑3∑∑non-visible to the users.∑So the users cannot access

∑4∑∑that data.∑They need the user interface, and which goes

∑5∑∑back to the modules.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The user interface is only a portion that is

∑7∑∑at the face of the application.∑But most of the

∑8∑∑application functional logic happens behind the scenes

∑9∑∑without actually requiring the need for the front-end

10∑∑portion of what we call the user interface.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So back to that question and to answer, kind

12∑∑of like what my answer, that was thrown in together by

13∑∑the developers just grabbing the fields that were the

14∑∑most relevant to our stock trading customers or, you

15∑∑know, based on the penny stocks that -- demographics

16∑∑that Tim Sykes would have looked for.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So I appreciate the long explanation, it was

18∑∑helpful to me.∑Okay?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So let me -- what we started with at the

20∑∑commencement of the narrative was this issue of who

21∑∑designed the -- the original filter that launched on

22∑∑StocksToTrade in February of 2016.

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑So that filter --

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Wait for a question.∑Wait for

25∑∑∑∑him to ask his question, please.

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So we can agree that there was a scanning

∑3∑∑feature on the original platform, the original

∑4∑∑StocksToTrade platform that launched in 2016, right?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't agree to that.∑I would say there was

∑6∑∑a querying feature for the database, and that's what we

∑7∑∑used for our system, querying the database of the memory

∑8∑∑that have in our stock database or our stock entries

∑9∑∑that get updated in realtime.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you're -- and you're saying that that

11∑∑querying feature was not a graphic user interface?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑No, the query -- well, the interface that

13∑∑offer the querying feature is an interface.∑We had to

14∑∑provide a way for the user to generate and figure that

15∑∑query so it would provide results in a tabular manner.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑Now, that interface, that query

17∑∑interface gave the user options, correct?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And those options included the selection of

20∑∑indicators, correct?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, tell me why that's no.

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, we're querying for values, not

24∑∑indicators.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Indicators are typically a calculated field or

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∑1∑∑presentation, and those are stored values for the most

∑2∑∑part, so price, volume -- net change is actually

∑3∑∑calculated, not considered indicator.∑Anything that's

∑4∑∑typically very simple calculations.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑Mr. Ben Alluch, you're obviously a

∑6∑∑lot more technical and knowledgeable in this area than I

∑7∑∑am.∑All right?

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, you're giving testimony for the benefit

∑9∑∑of a judge and a jury.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑I understand.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you're representing your company.

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So in talking as technical as you are, you may

14∑∑think you're protecting your company by talking about

15∑∑stuff that a normal person will not understand, but at

16∑∑the end of the day I'd suggest --

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I absolute -- sorry to interrupt.∑I am not

18∑∑trying to overcomplicate.∑My goal is actually to over

19∑∑-- to oversimplify the --

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Let's try to talk so that a judge listening to

21∑∑this and a jury listening to this can understand you.

22∑∑Okay?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑At the end of the day what I'm trying to

25∑∑understand is, what was on StocksToTrade, the

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∑1∑∑StocksToTrade platform when it launched that enabled

∑2∑∑someone to run scans against the database?∑That's one

∑3∑∑question.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And then inevitably I want to know who created

∑5∑∑it.∑Okay?∑And I use that in a lay perspective.∑You

∑6∑∑know, there is -- there is -- someone using, a layperson

∑7∑∑using this feature --

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑I understand.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- sees something on his screen or her screen.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑My apologies.∑There's a number of questions.

11∑∑I would like to go sequentially through those questions,

12∑∑as opposed --

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Let's do it.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Objection to form.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I do think -- I think the scanning piece is

16∑∑∑∑the problem there.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑But go ahead and answer.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑Would you mind just going each question

21∑∑independent, like, separately?∑Because you had three

22∑∑questions there that were bundled together and I'm not

23∑∑sure which one you want me to start with or how.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑We've gotten this far, as you agree that there

25∑∑was a query function on the original StocksToTrade

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∑1∑∑platform that launched in February of 2016, correct?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑There was a querying, very simple querying

∑3∑∑function that launched with the platform in 2016, that

∑4∑∑is correct.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And what -- what I'm trying to

∑6∑∑understand is, what were the components of that querying

∑7∑∑function?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑We base --

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑So when you say "components,"

11∑∑∑∑what are you referring to specifically?

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What I'm referring to are those features on

14∑∑that interface that gave choices to the user on how to

15∑∑slice and dice the database, how to find --

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑I would like to be careful with the word

17∑∑feature, and to make sure I understand, not to be

18∑∑confused with the prior definition of features we used

19∑∑throughout the explanation of the platform.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Mr. Ben Alluch, a normal person who

21∑∑doesn't know what you know only understands exactly what

22∑∑you advertise to them.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Your advertisement tells people that this

24∑∑device enables them to use certain criteria to find

25∑∑stocks that are of interest to them.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And what I'm trying to understand is, what --

∑2∑∑what criteria was available to a user on this querying

∑3∑∑function to try to locate stocks that meet the selected

∑4∑∑criteria?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.∑Okay.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I understand your question.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I haven't looked at that specific filter in a

∑9∑∑∑∑while, so I can assess or -- I mean, that's -- that

10∑∑∑∑function still exists within the platform and it's

11∑∑∑∑something we can provide screen shots for, if

12∑∑∑∑needed.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Top of my head, I can provide some of them,

14∑∑∑∑just generally speaking.∑But we have price,

15∑∑∑∑volume, percent change, net change, EPS.∑There

16∑∑∑∑were -- there were a few others.∑There was, like,

17∑∑∑∑ten or 12 values that we query for on the internal

18∑∑∑∑database.

19∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, just give me a moment, please.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, before you arrived in the fall of 2015

22∑∑there was already an existing querying function on the

23∑∑StocksToTrade platform that existed at that time, the

24∑∑prototype platform, correct?

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑On -- when I joined in, the

∑2∑∑∑∑functionality, underlying functionality for being

∑3∑∑∑∑able to run queries on the database was

∑4∑∑∑∑established.

∑5∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So is that a fancy way of saying, yes, Mr.

∑7∑∑Feldman, when I arrived in the fall of 2015 the

∑8∑∑StocksToTrade prototype had a querying function?∑Is

∑9∑∑that --

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑It had -- I'll be clearer with my answer.∑My

11∑∑apologies.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑We had the non-visual portions of the querying

14∑∑specifics or the -- the querying engine, I don't know

15∑∑how to better describe that, which is basically the

16∑∑database engine that allows us to pull data from the

17∑∑memory.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So going back -- I'm not going to explain it

19∑∑again, but in memory we have the database, which is what

20∑∑I referred to earlier.∑We created the engine that once

21∑∑stores that data into the memory and pulls that data

22∑∑from the memory.∑That is non-visual.∑That is the

23∑∑functionality that exists.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So can we try to make that simple?∑So

25∑∑basically before you arrived in September of 2015 there

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∑1∑∑was a prototype for StocksToTrade, correct?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑There was a version in development. I

∑3∑∑wouldn't call that a prototype.∑It's just --

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That version already included what you call a

∑5∑∑querying function, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I feel like we're looping

∑8∑∑∑∑around, and I'm trying to explain this in the -- in

∑9∑∑∑∑the simplest possible terms.

10∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm just asking you a yes or no question.

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑No, no.∑It's not a simple --

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Stop.∑Stop.∑It's not complicated.

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑But it is.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I just want -- no, it's not.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I just want to know, when you arrived in

17∑∑September of 2015, what existed on the prototype at that

18∑∑time that enabled a user to find stocks in the database

19∑∑to meet specific criteria?∑Just answer that question.

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑When I arrived, the team was in

23∑∑∑∑the middle of software development, so they were

24∑∑∑∑implementing all the functionalities that they

25∑∑∑∑wanted to have on StocksToTrade, including the

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∑1∑∑∑∑querying engine that lies underneath the actual

∑2∑∑∑∑platform.

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, a couple of background questions.

∑5∑∑You talk about the team.∑Who was the team?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑That would have been Scopic Software.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And who at Scopic Software?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑Who specifically created the querying engine?

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑No.∑Who was --

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What people at Scopic were developing the

13∑∑platform?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑The developers.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And yes, their names, please.

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑I only -- so Scopic, being a contractor, we

17∑∑only dealt with the technical lead and the project

18∑∑manager.∑I cannot share the names of the people because

19∑∑I've never had to interact with anybody other than the

20∑∑technical lead and the project manager.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Who was the technical lead?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑That was Mladen Lazic, I think.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mladen?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't think.∑I know for a fact.∑It was

25∑∑Mladen, M-L-A-D-E-N, last name L-A-Z-I-C.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And what was his title?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑He was the technical lead.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then --

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑At that time.

∑5∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- who is the second person?

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑At that time.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Go ahead.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑At that time, correct.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And the second person was Joanna, I believe it

11∑∑∑∑was Turziman.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And those are the people that you

14∑∑interacted with?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.∑And that were leading the project up

16∑∑to my arrival.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So prior to StocksToTrade, it is my

18∑∑understanding -- so prior to the formation of

19∑∑StocksToTrade in June 11, 2015, it is my understanding

20∑∑that Mladen and Joanna were the leading roles in the

21∑∑development of the platform.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And then just to complete this -- this

23∑∑history, I want to come back to the querying issue in a

24∑∑moment.

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But the interrogatory answer said that Scopic

∑2∑∑signed the contract with Jewmon on May 7, 2014.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you agree that in fact Jewmon entered into

∑4∑∑a contract with Scopic on May 7, 2014?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can't speak to that.∑I mean, I've been told

∑6∑∑that's the date.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Let me just object.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You can -- you can answer as to your own

∑9∑∑∑∑personal knowledge.

10∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm not talking about personal.∑I'm talking

12∑∑now -- I'm asking you the question as a representative.

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can't answer that as a representative.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑We'll stipulate -- we'll

15∑∑∑∑stipulate to that.∑Okay?

16∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I don't understand why as a corporate

18∑∑representative you do not know.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I appreciate the stipulation.

20∑∑∑∑I'll take it.

21∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But it's funny to me why you don't know the

23∑∑date -- as the corporate representative, you don't know

24∑∑the date that ST -- that --

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Jewmon?

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- Scopic commenced its work on this platform.

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑That's -- you just said two different things.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑No, no, no.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I think he's getting confused.

∑6∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I think -- I think I understand what you're

∑8∑∑saying.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What you're saying is, is that, the

10∑∑commencement of Scopic's work occurred before STT was

11∑∑formed.∑And because of that you do not have the

12∑∑knowledge or have not been authorized to speak about

13∑∑pre-June 11, 2015, events?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can speak to what I know.∑But you just

15∑∑stated two different things.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The agreement and the beginning of work are

17∑∑two different things.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I understand.∑We're talking about the

19∑∑agreement.

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I was not -- I was not made privy of the

21∑∑agreement, and that falls out of the scope of

22∑∑StocksToTrade.∑So, unfortunately, I cannot speak as

23∑∑to -- I can stipulate on a personal basis as to what the

24∑∑reasons may have been for Jewmon to do what they did

25∑∑back then.∑And you have stated the date to be, I

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∑1∑∑believe it was May 7, 2014, for the agreement between

∑2∑∑Scopic and Jewmon.∑So I --

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Here's my question:∑Before you arrived in

∑4∑∑September of 2015 --

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- do you know who from Jewmon was interacting

∑7∑∑from or interacting with Scopic regarding the design of

∑8∑∑or the development of StocksToTrade platform?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑My understanding and my belief is that would

10∑∑have been Zach.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, and then when a software designer,

12∑∑a software developer is asked to design something, who

13∑∑do they take their instructions from?

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I'll --

16∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm making the question too complicated.∑Let

18∑∑me withdraw the question.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Jeff, if I could just -- just

20∑∑∑∑maybe clarify the record.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So, you know, StocksToTrade stipulates that

22∑∑∑∑the Jewmon contract with Scopic was signed May 7,

23∑∑∑∑2014.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I think the witness -- you asked a couple

25∑∑∑∑questions, but I think you were talking about, hey,

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∑1∑∑∑∑when did work occur, right?

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay.∑I'm not talking about

∑3∑∑∑∑that now.∑Let me parse that.∑Okay?

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Okay.∑Go ahead.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Here's -- I'm asking a more

∑6∑∑∑∑generic question.

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You would agree that when one goes to a

∑9∑∑software developer, one goes there with an idea of what

10∑∑they want that software developer to develop, right?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'll answer that the best way I can.∑And

12∑∑having -- having been part of both worlds, from the

13∑∑software development and from the business side, the

14∑∑understanding between what the business side wants or,

15∑∑like, the people who are coming up with ideas, and what

16∑∑the development understands are two different things.

17∑∑And this is, I guess, in a way what led me to actually

18∑∑take my role is, that understanding was not fully clear.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, they need to be provided instructions,

20∑∑and whether they understand it or not that's a different

21∑∑thing, by whomever is doing the hiring.∑And depending

22∑∑on the technical understanding of that person, they will

23∑∑put in place certain things.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑But my understanding with what happened

25∑∑between Jewmon and Scopic Software is, they gave very

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∑1∑∑loose guidelines over what had to happen for it to, you

∑2∑∑know, exist.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And it -- if I had to assume or make an

∑4∑∑assumption, knowing both personally Tim and Zach, it's,

∑5∑∑like, we want a trading platform for penny stocking

∑6∑∑people.∑And that would have been probably close to the

∑7∑∑wording they may have used at that point in time.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And essentially they left Scopic to their own

∑9∑∑devices to actually try to figure out how to build such

10∑∑a thing.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And the reason why you believe it was that

12∑∑simple is because you know that neither Zach, nor Tim,

13∑∑had any knowledge of designing a stock -- you know they

14∑∑did not have the technical proficiency to direct Scopic

15∑∑as to exactly what they wanted, correct?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Neither -- neither -- so Tim Sykes is a career

17∑∑trader who travels the world, multimillionaire.∑He just

18∑∑does his thing and doesn't really care about much of the

19∑∑back-end runnings of what happens.∑He wants things and

20∑∑makes it happen.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Zach is a businessman who focuses on the

22∑∑marketing, has no idea how technology works, and while

23∑∑he has a mild understanding of some things if explained

24∑∑long enough, he wouldn't be able to convey ideas in a

25∑∑technical manner.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So basically you would agree that the

∑2∑∑only thing they would be able to convey, the only thing

∑3∑∑that they would have been able to convey to Scopic is

∑4∑∑what they knew from their own experience, correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I can't talk as to how they

∑7∑∑∑∑would have said it.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And it's my assumption that, you know, based

∑9∑∑∑∑on Tim's desires to have something that would meet

10∑∑∑∑his own needs as a trader, you know, as a career

11∑∑∑∑trader for at that point 22 years or so, he would

12∑∑∑∑have had requests that were not being met by, you

13∑∑∑∑know, other solutions, and that's the premise.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Zach is the businessperson.∑He deals with

15∑∑∑∑everything that has to do with making things

16∑∑∑∑happen.∑And that's where --

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.∑I'm sorry.∑I cut you off. I

19∑∑apologize.

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I was going to say, is that that community,

21∑∑you know, that happens, in terms of, like, the product

22∑∑ideas and making it happen, you know, between the two of

23∑∑them.∑But neither of them have any idea how to actually

24∑∑build something that has to do with software.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So -- but in terms of knowing what they

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∑1∑∑wanted, the people who knew what they wanted from Scopic

∑2∑∑were Tim and Zach, right?

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑They initiated the conversation

∑5∑∑∑∑with Scopic.∑They likely made a request, which

∑6∑∑∑∑I've personally never seen.∑I can only assume

∑7∑∑∑∑there was a request made for something.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And again, going back to what I said earlier,

∑9∑∑∑∑it's, like, I would like a trading software that

10∑∑∑∑allows me to run my -- my strategies and be able to

11∑∑∑∑sell that to our user base and the people who are

12∑∑∑∑doing The Challenge program, which was the initial

13∑∑∑∑demographic, my understanding, for the platform.

14∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And indeed, it wasn't just running searches

16∑∑based on, you know, Tim's criteria, but the direction to

17∑∑Scopic, as you understood it, was to not just run Tim's

18∑∑criteria, but would allow a user to run searches against

19∑∑the database using criteria that the user wanted to use,

20∑∑correct?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I can't -- I can't speak as to

23∑∑∑∑what they requested in any way or form.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑My understanding is, they wanted a top tier

25∑∑∑∑platform that would meet all the needs of the

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∑1∑∑∑∑demographics they were carrying.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And you have to take for context that Tim

∑3∑∑∑∑Sykes has been running his educational products --

∑4∑∑∑∑again, on a personal basis I'm sharing this, and

∑5∑∑∑∑having personal experience with that specific

∑6∑∑∑∑process -- has been running that enterprise of

∑7∑∑∑∑educational products for a large number of years.

∑8∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, let me see if I could simplify

10∑∑this.

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do it inferentially.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑When you arrived in September of 2015 there

14∑∑was a prototype, right?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑When I arrived there was a

17∑∑∑∑product in development.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑That product in development became

20∑∑StocksToTrade -- became the StocksToTrade platform,

21∑∑correct?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑The product in development was released in

23∑∑February 15, 2016, as what is known as StocksToTrade

24∑∑today.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And before -- before you -- when you arrived

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∑1∑∑in September 2015, you learned that the people who were

∑2∑∑directing, giving -- giving input to StocksToTrade were

∑3∑∑either Zach Westphal or Tim Sykes.∑Is that -- is that

∑4∑∑correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑To some extent.

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Thank you.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, and at the time that you arrived, you

10∑∑understood that -- that it was Jewmon who -- who

11∑∑originated this project, right?∑You had that

12∑∑understanding?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑At the time that I arrived I had no idea who

14∑∑was running what.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But you now -- but you have -- but you now

16∑∑know, don't you?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑As a corporate representative, I know the

18∑∑chronology of events.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And so give me that chronology as

20∑∑simply as you can.

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So as you mentioned earlier, 2014 in May, I

23∑∑believe it was 7th, agreement signed with -- between

24∑∑Jewmon Enterprise and Scopic Software.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Then I believe the actual start of the

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∑1∑∑development on the project happened in October 2014.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑In May 2015, I believe -- and again, this is

∑4∑∑outside of the scope of the StocksToTrade, but I have

∑5∑∑knowledge that I can speak to on a personal basis.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑My understanding is that in May of 2015 a

∑7∑∑mockup was made to represent what the application would

∑8∑∑look like.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑In September 2015 I, personally, joined the

11∑∑team after I pointed out that the product was not viable

12∑∑at that point in time and would have led to basically

13∑∑the business not existing.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Like, essentially the product was flawed in

15∑∑every possible way, in terms of how it operated, and was

16∑∑not going to be viable in any way or form.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, when you arrived and began to volunteer,

18∑∑who did you believe you were volunteering for?∑Which

19∑∑company?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I did this -- now, am I speaking on -- as a

21∑∑corporate or as a person?

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, it's September 2015, so in September of

23∑∑2015 --

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑It was formed.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑But you're asking me -- you're asking me a

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∑1∑∑personal question, which is separate.∑I was not

∑2∑∑officially employed at that point in time.∑And while it

∑3∑∑falls under, I -- on a personal basis I took it upon

∑4∑∑myself.∑There was no solicitation from Zach or Tim for

∑5∑∑me to do that.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And the context of it is, I wrote a book on

∑7∑∑penny stocking.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm aware of that book.∑I don't want to go

∑9∑∑off into the book.∑I just want to know --

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑No, no, no, I'm not going into the book.∑I'm

11∑∑just providing context.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I met with Tim and Zach on a meeting to get a

13∑∑deal for that book.∑And given my background, they

14∑∑showed the application.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And then I asked them if I could, you know,

16∑∑have a look at it, which I did, and then presented them

17∑∑with a very large list of issues that would have

18∑∑prevented the application from being released, from

19∑∑being viable.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Was it Zach that gave you -- who gave you

21∑∑access to the prototype at that time initially?

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑It would have been Zach.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And now, you looked at the prototype

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∑1∑∑and you gave -- you did an analysis and gave

∑2∑∑recommendations, correct?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑My apologies.∑One more time?∑I didn't hear

∑4∑∑it.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You did an analysis of the prototype and made

∑6∑∑recommendations?

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I did -- I did an analysis of

∑9∑∑∑∑the software at the state it was in.∑I wouldn't

10∑∑∑∑call that a prototype, because a prototype involves

11∑∑∑∑a finished product that's free --

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What name would you give it?∑Just give me the

14∑∑name.

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑As I said, it's a product in development.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑A prototype -- in my understanding of a

17∑∑prototype, or just, like, the dictionary definition

18∑∑implies it's a finished product that might need tweaking

19∑∑to be able to be released.∑It was a not a prototype.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑We'll call it product in development.∑Okay?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑It was a product in development.∑And it

22∑∑was --

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Right, thank you.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑-- far from finished in any way

25∑∑∑∑or form.

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So in September 2015 there was a

∑3∑∑product in development?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And Zach gave you access to it, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you -- you did an analysis of that product

∑8∑∑in development, correct?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then you made -- you went back to Zach and

11∑∑Tim and made recommendations, correct?

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I wrote a document that stated

14∑∑∑∑what the problems were.∑And then I, personally,

15∑∑∑∑offered to fix those problems by working with

16∑∑∑∑Scopic Software.

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, and did they -- did anyone accept

19∑∑your offer?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑On a personal basis, yes.∑But I was never

21∑∑officially brought on.∑There was no paperwork.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I understand.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Who accepted your offer to help?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is something I would have to look at

25∑∑emails for.∑I don't remember what --

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And then you -- and then you stepped

∑2∑∑in --

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sorry.∑Let me -- let me walk that back.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Most of my -- Tim Sykes is a busy man, so just

∑5∑∑by inference, you know, like, the person I would have

∑6∑∑interacted with initially would have been Zach who would

∑7∑∑have allowed me to move forward with doing what I did.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And how was that access granted?∑How

∑9∑∑were you able to access the product in development?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑They -- they just gave me the user name and

11∑∑password for that platform.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Fair.∑Okay.∑Now, before you -- before you

13∑∑saw the product in development the first time, you

14∑∑understood that the contribution, the only contribution

15∑∑being made to Scopic was -- was from Zach and/or Tim,

16∑∑correct?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑So my understanding, to the extent of what

18∑∑Scopic was hired to do and how they were paid for it, my

19∑∑understanding predating StocksToTrade is that they put

20∑∑their own money to or they put -- they paid for the

21∑∑development, they paid Scopic Software to create the

22∑∑software and development.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So let's -- we're moving on to payment.

24∑∑Let's stay on that for a moment, get that covered and

25∑∑then we'll come back.

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay?∑We know that there was a contract

∑3∑∑signed between Jewmon and Scopic in May of 2014,

∑4∑∑correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then we know that work commenced in

∑7∑∑October of 2014, correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is my understanding of it.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you know that work was continuing in

10∑∑September 2015 when you joined the team, volunteer,

11∑∑correct?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.∑That work was being continued in 2015.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you know that there was money being paid

14∑∑to Scopic during that entire period, correct?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, you would also agree that Jewmon had been

17∑∑paying all of that money, correct?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can't speak to how Scopic was paid or what

19∑∑Jewmon did on their end.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You can or cannot?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑I cannot.∑I'm unable -- like, it's outside of

22∑∑the scope and I don't see the financials.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑It's my understanding on a personal basis that

24∑∑Scopic was being paid.∑The sources are unclear to me,

25∑∑but StocksToTrade was not the initial payor for the

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∑1∑∑development.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑The initial payor was Jewmon, correct?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not have that information.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you know --

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can -- I can assess who was, but officially

∑6∑∑speaking, StocksToTrade didn't start paying Scopic

∑7∑∑Software until, I believe it was May or April 2016.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑StocksToTrade began paying Scopic in April or

∑9∑∑May of 2016 or 2017?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑2016, if I recall correctly.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑2016.∑Okay.∑Okay.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So the company was formed in June of 2015,

13∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc. was formed in June of 2015,

14∑∑correct?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you would agree that StocksToTrade.com,

17∑∑Inc. did not begin to pay Scopic until almost a year

18∑∑later, correct?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.∑We -- the first invoice we received from

20∑∑Scopic was April -- April 2016.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Good.∑Now, before that point in time who was

22∑∑paying the bill, the bills to Scopic?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe it may have been Jewmon.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And, again, it's their agreement before it was

25∑∑transferred to StocksToTrade.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Based on what you have told me and, you know,

∑2∑∑the documents available with the agreement of 2014, May

∑3∑∑7th, I would -- I would assume it was Jewmon continuing

∑4∑∑to pay for that.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay.∑Gabe, I don't think we

∑6∑∑∑∑need to assume.∑You told us last night during the

∑7∑∑∑∑meet and confer that prior to the time that Scopic

∑8∑∑∑∑began to pay in the spring of 2016 that Jewmon was

∑9∑∑∑∑paying Scopic.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Can we stipulate to that?

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I think that's accurate.∑There

12∑∑∑∑may have been another source of funds, like a

13∑∑∑∑portion of it may have been paid from some other

14∑∑∑∑source.∑But generally speaking I believe that is

15∑∑∑∑accurate.

16∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Jewmon -- what's accurate is that Jewmon paid

18∑∑Scopic from the inception of the project up to the time

19∑∑that STT.com, Inc. began to pay in the spring of 2016;

20∑∑is that accurate?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑May 2016 was the first invoice recorded for

22∑∑Scopic Software under StocksToTrade.com, Inc.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑You just said April 2016.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑April.∑April.∑My apologies,

25∑∑∑∑04, 2016/04.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Jeff, on the -- we might be able

∑2∑∑∑∑to take a break on that particular point, just to

∑3∑∑∑∑get clarity for you.∑We do want to get you clarity

∑4∑∑∑∑on it.∑I mean --

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay.∑So we'll take that break

∑6∑∑∑∑shortly.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Sure.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑All right?

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Go on and then I'll come back to

10∑∑∑∑it.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑All right.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, when -- when the -- given -- given that

14∑∑it was -- all right.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Let me -- let me ask it this way:

16∑∑Notwithstanding that Jewmon or someone else and/or

17∑∑someone else was paying the bill when you came on in

18∑∑September of 2015, who was Scopic developing this

19∑∑product in development for?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I suppose there was a, what I would call a

21∑∑silent transfer, not really addressing any contractual

22∑∑way, that indicated that StocksToTrade took over the

23∑∑leadership of the project.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Officially speaking, we start -- we took

25∑∑ownership of it the moment we started paying for it and

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∑1∑∑we took on the debt for what was already paid to Scopic

∑2∑∑Software at that point.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑When you say you took on the debt, what does

∑4∑∑that mean, that STT took on the debt.∑What does that

∑5∑∑mean?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑So what it means is that StocksToTrade

∑7∑∑essentially on the books, which is on the documents you

∑8∑∑will be -- will be produced to you, there are lines that

∑9∑∑indicate that money was received as a loan from third

10∑∑parties, including Jewmon.∑And that covers

11∑∑essentially -- there was no cash transfer.∑It wasn't a

12∑∑cash transfer.∑As a loan it was really, you know, in my

13∑∑understanding, because there's no paperwork relating to

14∑∑how that specifically it was done, it's just in terms of

15∑∑value and what we can infer from the value that was

16∑∑stated as a loan is essentially the value that was paid

17∑∑to Scopic Software was transferred into StocksToTrade as

18∑∑owner of the project, and that was paid back to the

19∑∑original payors to return on their investment so we

20∑∑could take on the project as StocksToTrade for the

21∑∑continued development of the platform.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So I'll ask my question simply.∑Was

23∑∑Jewmon ever paid back -- strike that.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Did Jewmon sell the product in development to

25∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Inc.?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑It wasn't sell as much as it was transferred

∑2∑∑and the loan was recorded for it.∑That's my

∑3∑∑understanding.∑There's no official paperwork stating

∑4∑∑the transaction, but it's implied in how it's presented.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So did StocksToTrade ever pay

∑6∑∑consideration, give money to Stocks -- to Jewmon in

∑7∑∑exchange for the transfer of the product in development?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.∑So the loan, it's marked -- so on the

∑9∑∑statement sheets on the balance and cash flow, I

10∑∑believe, those loans are repaid.∑And that is --

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What loans?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑That's what I just mentioned earlier.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑Let me -- let me simplify this.

14∑∑Okay?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Before StocksToTrade was formed, Jewmon was

16∑∑paying -- before StocksToTrade was formed, Jewmon was in

17∑∑a contract with Scopic and was paying Scopic; that's

18∑∑your understanding, correct?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is my understanding.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Good.∑Now, and we just heard that Jewmon

21∑∑and/or others continued to pay Scopic up until

22∑∑approximately April or May of 2016, correct?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is my understanding.∑I can speak --

24∑∑starting May I can speak for sure that we started --

25∑∑April 2016 I can speak for sure that we started paying

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∑1∑∑Scopic and we took, like, full ownership of the project.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So now from May 2016 forward --

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑April.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- StocksToTrade.com, Inc. began paying

∑5∑∑Scopic's bills, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑From April 2016 moving forward StocksToTrade

∑7∑∑has been responsible for paying Scopic Software fees.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, has Scopic Software -- Scopic --

∑9∑∑strike that.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Has StocksToTrade.com, Inc. paid Jewmon or any

11∑∑other party for the money that they lent -- they had

12∑∑laid out prior to the time that STT.com, Inc. began

13∑∑paying Scopic?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Please explain that to me.

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's what I was trying to allude to earlier.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑On the balance sheets there are lines that

18∑∑indicate loan from, starting the inception of

19∑∑StocksToTrade.∑That year, 2015 is marked about 526 or

20∑∑27,000 negative results.∑Like, basically at the end of

21∑∑2016 we were at negative 527k.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And based on my understanding of what the

23∑∑initial investment was from Tim and Zach, they each put

24∑∑down roughly 260k.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑That is my understanding of how it proceeded,

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∑1∑∑in terms of the expense, the personal expense or however

∑2∑∑they decided to move that money, which I'm not privy of.

∑3∑∑I don't know the specific details.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑But my understanding is, they each put

∑5∑∑$260,000 in that project, which matches the loan amounts

∑6∑∑we have listed, which would correspond in practice to

∑7∑∑what we had owed for the development of StocksToTrade in

∑8∑∑the transfer.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So what you're telling me is that the monies

10∑∑that Jewmon, Tim and Zach paid to Scopic were ultimately

11∑∑booked as loans to StocksToTrade.com, Inc.?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑As -- I would say, yes, that they -- that the

13∑∑loans -- they were -- they paid -- they were marked as

14∑∑loans within StocksToTrade, and into the states, you

15∑∑know, they each owned 50 percent of StocksToTrade at

16∑∑that point, so it was a cash transfer between companies,

17∑∑I suppose, or whatever the case may be, which, you know,

18∑∑I don't have the full details on how that went.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑With that in mind, there was a silent transfer

20∑∑of, or like a non-recorded transfer of the ownership of

21∑∑the project from Scopic, like, with the StocksToTrade

22∑∑platform development, which was previously owned by

23∑∑Jewmon for the agreement you mentioned.∑So, you know,

24∑∑I'm taking that as a reference, and then transferred

25∑∑into StocksToTrade as we started paying.∑And then they

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∑1∑∑recorded the 400 -- the 526,000 as loans to the company

∑2∑∑that equate to their investment in the project.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So -- and then is it your testimony

∑4∑∑that StocksToTrade has now repaid a half million dollars

∑5∑∑to Jewmon, Zach and/or Tim?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑My understanding, and based on

∑8∑∑∑∑the financial sheets that will be produced to you,

∑9∑∑∑∑the loans that were marked on those sheets have

10∑∑∑∑been paid back.

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, was there ever a sale of the -- of

13∑∑the product under development from Jewmon to

14∑∑StocksToTrade.com?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑As I mentioned earlier, it was a silent

16∑∑transfer.∑So if there's no contract or paperwork that's

17∑∑-- that indicates it was sold to StocksToTrade.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So to answer your question, no, it wasn't sold

19∑∑to StocksToTrade.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑So basically what happened here

21∑∑is, Jewmon gave -- gave its product in development to

22∑∑StocksToTrade, and then Jewmon, the loans -- the loans

23∑∑that Jewmon had bought were then transferred to

24∑∑StocksToTrade and that was the deal, correct?

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection to form.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I don't know whether it's a deal

∑2∑∑∑∑or not.∑I know, like, on the balance sheets, I

∑3∑∑∑∑have the statement for loans from, you know,

∑4∑∑∑∑Jewmon, for instance.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And I know that the initial investment Zach

∑6∑∑∑∑and Tim put was roughly the same amounts combined.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And I know there's no paperwork that indicates

∑8∑∑∑∑a transfer between the two, other than the fact

∑9∑∑∑∑that we took ownership and started paying Scopic's

10∑∑∑∑bills, and then there was an agreement made --

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So -- how much -- how much did -- once these

13∑∑monies were moved, these loans were moved to

14∑∑StocksToTrade, how much did StocksToTrade owe to Jewmon?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑520 -- no.∑Jewmon, 400,000.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then how much did StocksToTrade.com, Inc.

17∑∑owe to Zach and Tim?

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Look -- again, those financial

20∑∑∑∑records will be produced to you and you'll be able

21∑∑∑∑to, you know, verify.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑My understanding is Jewmon was primarily the

23∑∑∑∑way to repay that.∑There was no direct payment or

24∑∑∑∑repayment to Tim and Zach for, you know, that

25∑∑∑∑transfer of ownership of the project, I suppose, or

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∑1∑∑∑∑silent transfer of StocksToTrade taking over the

∑2∑∑∑∑project.

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑There was no -- you would agree there was no

∑5∑∑arm's length transaction between StocksToTrade and

∑6∑∑Jewmon regarding the transfer of the product in

∑7∑∑development from Jewmon to StocksToTrade, correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑My apologies.∑I'm not familiar

10∑∑∑∑with the expression arm's length.

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑If you own something and somebody else wants

13∑∑it, you negotiate a sales price, you reach a deal, and

14∑∑then the sales price is paid and ownership is

15∑∑transferred.∑That's what I mean by arm's length.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And there was -- there was never a deal like

17∑∑that between StocksToTrade and Jewmon with regard to the

18∑∑product in development, correct?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Like, there wouldn't -- like,

21∑∑∑∑there is no documentation.∑And, again, back to the

22∑∑∑∑financials that will be produced to you.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But I'm asking you a yes or no.∑You would --

25∑∑I don't need you to repeat what you've already said.

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∑1∑∑I'm just trying to get an answer to the obvious.∑Okay?

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Jewmon had a widget.∑The widget was a -- was

∑3∑∑the product in development.∑And StocksToTrade,

∑4∑∑brand-new company, wanted that widget.∑And you would

∑5∑∑agree there was never a negotiation of a price that

∑6∑∑StocksToTrade would pay to Jewmon in exchange for the

∑7∑∑widget, correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I don't believe it is --

10∑∑∑∑StocksToTrade wanted this as much as more of

11∑∑∑∑creating a company to divest from -- and let me --

12∑∑∑∑let me -- let me --

13∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm asking you a question.

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm trying to, but you're not -- I would like

16∑∑to finish my answer so I can --

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Let's start -- let's start with a yes or no.

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑But I can't give you yes or no when --

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You can give me a yes or no and then an

20∑∑explanation.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I don't need -- listen, I understand the

22∑∑questions you're answering and that you don't want to

23∑∑answer.∑Okay?∑I'm going to get an answer to this

24∑∑question, Mr. Ben Alluch.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑That's -- that's argumentative.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑That's argumentative.

∑2∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm going to get an answer.∑Okay?∑Now, let's

∑4∑∑try it again.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you agree that Jewmon and StocksToTrade

∑6∑∑never negotiated a sales price for the transfer of the

∑7∑∑product in development from Jewmon to StocksToTrade?

∑8∑∑Isn't that true, yes or no?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑My understanding is --

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes -- yes or no, followed by an explanation.

11∑∑Yes or no followed by an explanation.

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑Okay.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Is it a yes or no?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑My understanding regarding the position is I

15∑∑can --

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Argumentative.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I can provide the answer,

18∑∑∑∑regardless of whether you like my answer or not.

19∑∑∑∑And I will answer the way I feel comfortable

20∑∑∑∑answering.∑And I'm more happy to do that in the

21∑∑∑∑most truthful and knowledgeable way I can do that.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, in terms of your request, my

23∑∑∑∑understanding is that there was no negotiation

24∑∑∑∑between StocksToTrade and Jewmon for the transfer

25∑∑∑∑of the project that happened silently as it became

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∑1∑∑taking ownership.

∑2∑∑∑∑And my understanding is that there was a

∑3∑∑divest -- a divestment from Jewmon as, like, the

∑4∑∑partner that wanted to create a software, because

∑5∑∑Jewmon ultimately is a marketing company, not a

∑6∑∑software company, and it wanted to stay that way.

∑7∑∑∑∑So StocksToTrade was created as the software

∑8∑∑piece.∑And that, again, is my understanding of how

∑9∑∑things happened on the background prior to its

10∑∑inception.

11∑∑∑∑Jewmon and now Millionaire Publishing focus on

12∑∑the marketing aspects.∑They sell -- or they focus

13∑∑on email lists and anything that has to do with

14∑∑marketing regarding the trading products that are

15∑∑being offered.∑Now, that's one thing.

16∑∑∑∑They did not want to mix -- again, my

17∑∑understanding, they did not want to mix the

18∑∑marketing aspects of that business with the

19∑∑software development aspects which falls within a

20∑∑completely different state of things.

21∑∑∑∑StocksToTrade was created within that context

22∑∑to take over the software aspect of creating, you

23∑∑know, a product or products that would meet the

24∑∑demands of traders in a software as a service basis

25∑∑as a technology company that will support that.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑It was not intended as a marketing company or

∑2∑∑∑∑the crossover between both, because that would have

∑3∑∑∑∑created a lot of confusion.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, that was created in that piece.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, in between those Jewmon decided to give

∑6∑∑∑∑ownership to StocksToTrade.∑And I'm not privy of

∑7∑∑∑∑the details of how that happened, other than the

∑8∑∑∑∑fact we started paying for it, and that is more

∑9∑∑∑∑high level agreements than as a corporation we know

10∑∑∑∑of, because it was done at the shareholder level

11∑∑∑∑where they decided to capitalize that money and

12∑∑∑∑then get back that investment through a loan that

13∑∑∑∑was -- sat on the books prior to the time I,

14∑∑∑∑personally, joined the team.

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, so I guess the answer to my

17∑∑question is, yes, Mr. Feldman, I agree there was no sale

18∑∑between Jewmon and StocksToTrade, correct?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I agree there was no negotiation

21∑∑∑∑that was recorded.∑And I don't know of any

22∑∑∑∑conversations or anything that may have happened

23∑∑∑∑between the owners of the company and any other

24∑∑∑∑dealings, other than the fact that those appear as

25∑∑∑∑loans into the books that we have.

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑Okay.∑All right. I think we've

∑3∑∑got that clarified.∑All right.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, going back -- by the way, you would agree

∑5∑∑that it was Tim and Zach that created and ran Jewmon,

∑6∑∑correct?∑Right?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑It is -- it is my understanding that they both

∑8∑∑owned the company equally.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Jewmon?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Jewmon Enterprises, LLC, I believe.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And it's also your understanding that they

12∑∑both owned -- they both at inception owned StocksToTrade

13∑∑equally, correct?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.∑At the inception they were each

15∑∑50 percent shareholders of StocksToTrade.com, Inc.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So they -- they both owned and

17∑∑controlled Jewmon and StocksToTrade.com, Inc., correct?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can speak with certainty for StocksToTrade.

19∑∑And I can -- it is my understanding that for Jewmon it

20∑∑is the same case.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So just to clarify.∑You're

22∑∑testifying -- tell me -- tell me -- strike that.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You would agree that at inception of

24∑∑StocksToTrade.com, Zach and Tim each equally owned and

25∑∑controlled StocksToTrade.com, Inc., correct?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you're also agreeing that Tim and Zach

∑3∑∑owned and controlled Jewmon equally, correct?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑On a personal basis, that is my understanding

∑5∑∑of that.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Thank you.∑So at the end of the day,

∑7∑∑the same two guys could do whatever they want as between

∑8∑∑Jewmon and StocksToTrade because they -- they were the

∑9∑∑puppeteers of both entities; they ran both entities,

10∑∑correct?

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑You're asking me to basically

13∑∑∑∑make a guess on what people are thinking and how

14∑∑∑∑they're doing --

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑I'll withdraw the question.∑All right.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, I want to go back.∑We were talking about

18∑∑product in development.∑And you said that when you got

19∑∑there and you were given access that very first time,

20∑∑that you saw a querying function, correct?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑You're -- is that -- you're asking on a

22∑∑personal level?

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑No.∑I'm asking you now in September of 2015.

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm answering on behalf of StocksToTrade.

25∑∑That's my understanding.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑In September of 2015, me, as Jamil Ben Alluch,

∑2∑∑a person, was not a part of StocksToTrade.∑I did not

∑3∑∑independently.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑I understand your issue.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I'm asking -- I'm asking you now from personal

∑6∑∑knowledge.

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑When you went on the product in development

∑9∑∑for the first time, very first time, was there a

10∑∑querying function?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's very possible.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now -- well, is that a yes or no?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑That's my answer.∑I mean, it's been a while.

14∑∑It's been seven years and I've been working on the

15∑∑project for six -- sorry -- it's been six years, so

16∑∑September 2015.∑I've been working on every, single

17∑∑feature of the product, like, the project ever since.

18∑∑And I can tell you for a fact that I don't remember

19∑∑everything that has happened.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Is it your recollection that you, Jamil Ben

21∑∑Alluch, directed Scopic to add a querying function to

22∑∑the product in development or that it was already there

23∑∑and you just improved what was there?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑On a personal basis, at the time I was not

25∑∑employed by StocksToTrade.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑It is very possible and I do not recall all

∑2∑∑the details of everything that has gone, but it's very

∑3∑∑possible that it may have been that the structure for

∑4∑∑the implementation or the querying engine was in place.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑On -- as a representative of StocksToTrade,

∑6∑∑like, I have knowledge of what has happened during that

∑7∑∑time.∑I know that the engine was in place, at least the

∑8∑∑core elements that would allow to search the database in

∑9∑∑memory.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑But, personally, I don't recall the specifics

11∑∑when I look at the platform, whether that was available

12∑∑on what I saw at the time I saw it as a person prior to

13∑∑me joining officially StocksToTrade.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So here's my question:∑Do you know who

15∑∑directed Scopic -- before your very first time on the

16∑∑product in development, do you know who developed -- who

17∑∑directed Scopic to develop a query -- querying function

18∑∑for the product under development?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Let me -- that's an awful question.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you know who directed Scopic to include a

21∑∑querying function in the product under development?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't know who included that.∑And that may

23∑∑have been, you know, prior to my arrival.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Some of the pieces were -- or my arrival, even

25∑∑before the inception, I don't recall a specific request

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∑1∑∑of someone, or even in the documentation that I've seen

∑2∑∑as a corporate representative on the documentation that

∑3∑∑I've seen, I've never seen a specific request from a

∑4∑∑person -- in this case -- you might be alluding to, for

∑5∑∑example, Zach or Tim.∑I've never seen a request from

∑6∑∑either of them specifically asking for that.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, another piece of context is that they

∑8∑∑were tasked with creating a software platform for

∑9∑∑trading, and then they probably -- going back before the

10∑∑inception of StocksToTrade and knowing -- I'm sharing my

11∑∑experience with software development and my experience

12∑∑with StocksToTrade over the last five years and knowing

13∑∑how Scopic works is, there is a research process in

14∑∑which they will evaluate a large number of software

15∑∑solutions that may be similar to see, you know, what

16∑∑kind of features they have, especially when they have

17∑∑little guidance and someone comes to them, it's, like, I

18∑∑want a trading platform.∑Well, that's fantastic, but we

19∑∑don't have details.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And they cannot provide -- people like Tim and

21∑∑Zach cannot provide any technical details on the

22∑∑building that.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So -- and going back to the base, the

24∑∑discrepancy between the start of the project.∑And,

25∑∑again, I will assume on a personal basis, and, again,

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∑1∑∑with my experience with dealing with Scopic, that the

∑2∑∑discrepancy between the date they signed the agreement

∑3∑∑with Scopic Software, Jewmon, and they started the

∑4∑∑development, you have May to October.∑That's five

∑5∑∑months, which can only be assumed to be a research

∑6∑∑process, where they looked at all possible solutions in

∑7∑∑the context of, you know, charting, you know, trading,

∑8∑∑indicators, anything that has to do with trading values,

∑9∑∑you know, screeners, like, for example, StockFetcher,

10∑∑you know, was a little in E-trade, TD Ameritrade, which

11∑∑all offer, you know, similar functionalities that,

12∑∑again, query database with information there.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So they did their research.∑They started the

14∑∑development around October 2014, and then I arrived in

15∑∑September 2015.∑It was a partially finished product

16∑∑that was completely useless, because if it had launched,

17∑∑it would have just been --

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Is it -- I appreciate the explanation, but I'm

19∑∑asking, again, a pretty simple question.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Is it your testimony that Scopic told Zach and

21∑∑Tim what they want, or is it your testimony that Zach

22∑∑and Tim told Scopic what they want?∑Which one was it?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑My understanding is Zach and Tim would have

24∑∑had a level of approval, but didn't necessarily fully

25∑∑understand what they needed or wanted on the platform.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are you -- are you testifying that when Zach

∑2∑∑and Tim went to Scopic, they didn't know they wanted a

∑3∑∑scanning function in the --

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑I cannot tell you what Tim or Zach --

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I got to finish --

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Let him finish the question.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑My apologies.∑Sorry.∑Yes.

∑8∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Is it your testimony that -- that Tim and Zach

10∑∑did not tell -- strike that.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Is it your testimony that neither Tim, nor

12∑∑Zach, told Scopic that they wanted Scopic to develop a

13∑∑platform that included a querying or screening feature?

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Prior to -- prior to

16∑∑∑∑inception -- I'll speak on a personal basis and

17∑∑∑∑make a very broad assumption knowing Tim and Zach

18∑∑∑∑personally and knowing --

19∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I don't want assumptions.∑I want facts.

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑But I cannot give you knowledge I don't have

22∑∑because --

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You can't answer the question, can you?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑But you're asking -- you're asking me --

25∑∑you're asking me for an opinion.∑I can only tell you --

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑COURT REPORTER:∑One at a time, please.

∑2∑∑∑∑Excuse me.∑One at a time.∑I'm not getting either

∑3∑∑∑∑one.

∑4∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm not asking for an opinion.∑I am not

∑6∑∑asking for an opinion.∑Okay?∑I don't want your

∑7∑∑opinion.∑If I do, I'll ask for an opinion.∑I want your

∑8∑∑knowledge.∑And if you don't have knowledge, I want you

∑9∑∑to say, I don't know.∑Okay?

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, what I'm trying to find out now is

11∑∑whether Scopic was instructed in its research or in its

12∑∑development to include a screening or querying function

13∑∑in the software they were being asked to develop.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you know the answer to that question, yes

15∑∑or no?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not know the answer to that question.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Thank you.∑Thank you.∑Okay.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, but somehow, some way, a screening

19∑∑querying function, whatever you want to call it, was in

20∑∑the product under development the first time you went

21∑∑on -- went on to experiment with it, correct?

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑On a personal level, I believe

24∑∑∑∑that's the case.

25∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, and then from the moment that you

∑2∑∑went on and saw that screening function, you concluded

∑3∑∑that it needed to be better, correct?

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑5∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑I went with industry standards to make sure

∑8∑∑that we have all the capabilities that other industry

∑9∑∑standard tools had, and made sure that we went with the

10∑∑industry standard with adding our own improvements.∑You

11∑∑know, we are creating a new software for a specific

12∑∑demographic, and that was our goal, to create a tool

13∑∑that met those needs.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, one way of figuring out -- one way a guy

15∑∑like you, who develops software -- I'll rephrase.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You would agree that in understanding the

17∑∑features to include in this product in development was

18∑∑to do market research, correct?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And market research included going on to

21∑∑other -- other market analysis platforms to see what

22∑∑they use, correct?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑To the extent of having the same access as any

24∑∑paying subscriber or whatever information may have been

25∑∑publicly available on, let's say, YouTube or any other,

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∑1∑∑you know, documentation made available through websites,

∑2∑∑then, yes, they did market research.∑And most likely --

∑3∑∑I mean, we do market research all the time.∑We have

∑4∑∑done it, like with EquityFeed specifically, by logging

∑5∑∑into their systems.∑And that's not -- you know, we're

∑6∑∑not hiding that, either.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And it's to the extent where we have no access

∑8∑∑to any confidential information, other than whatever

∑9∑∑access we had was the same as any subscriber or any

10∑∑information you can find on a public facing website,

11∑∑such as YouTube, the documentation posted on the

12∑∑website, and so on and so forth.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So you just mentioned a moment ago that

14∑∑you went on to EquityFeed as part of your market

15∑∑research, correct?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you did that when you were volunteering to

18∑∑elevate this product under development, correct?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑I was a sub --

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I was a -- I was a subscriber of

22∑∑∑∑EquityFeed prior to ever meeting Tim and Zach or

23∑∑∑∑having any agreement with them.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑And so what -- you would agree that in

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∑1∑∑figuring out what you wanted Stocks -- the StocksToTrade

∑2∑∑product in development to both do and to look like, you

∑3∑∑looked at EquityFeed -- EquityFeed's product, as well as

∑4∑∑the products of a number of other companies, correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑I looked --

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I was a trader.∑I was trading.

∑8∑∑∑∑My intent was to go full-time trading.∑And I had

∑9∑∑∑∑knowledge as a software developer or someone who is

10∑∑∑∑familiar with, like, the technicalities of it of

11∑∑∑∑what would be ideal in the context of trading.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And as I said, I've accessed all of these

13∑∑∑∑tools on the same premise that anyone with a paying

14∑∑∑∑subscription would have, which did not -- which did

15∑∑∑∑not give me any privileged access or any

16∑∑∑∑confidential access to any information.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Anything that was publicly available, any

18∑∑∑∑person with a technical understanding of high level

19∑∑∑∑or, you know, decent technical understanding or

20∑∑∑∑capacity to make programs would have been able to

21∑∑∑∑figure out on their own.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And one of the things I'll point out, since

23∑∑∑∑we're focusing specifically, your questioning goes

24∑∑∑∑into the querying engine and specifically, I

25∑∑∑∑suppose, the Filter Builder of EquityFeed.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑At the bottom of that, whether it's EquityFeed

∑2∑∑∑∑or StockFetcher or TD Ameritrade or Interactive

∑3∑∑∑∑Brokers, whomever you are trying to use, there's a

∑4∑∑∑∑database underneath, receives data, that data gets

∑5∑∑∑∑updated on the database and then you run a query in

∑6∑∑∑∑the same way you run a database query on any

∑7∑∑∑∑relational data base, such as PostgreSQL, MySQL,

∑8∑∑∑∑Snowflake.∑You name -- you give me a name of a

∑9∑∑∑∑database and it works exactly the same way.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑That information is assessed in the same way.

11∑∑∑∑You can look at it, and there's no magic juice

12∑∑∑∑happening underneath.∑It's a database.∑We built

13∑∑∑∑that from scratch with our own knowledge of how it

14∑∑∑∑works based on how we knew we wanted to display

15∑∑∑∑things.

16∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Mr. Ben Alluch, I appreciate the long

18∑∑answer, but I've got a very narrow question for you.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑In figuring out how you wanted the

20∑∑StocksToTrade's querying function, the scanning

21∑∑function, to both look like and operate, do you agree

22∑∑that you went on to EquityFeed's Filter Builder to do

23∑∑market research to figure out the answer to that

24∑∑question?∑Do you agree with that?

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑No, I don't.

∑2∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Why don't you agree with that?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑Because much as I have personally used

∑5∑∑EquityFeed, I have also used other products in different

∑6∑∑capacities.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You want me to answer the question.∑I'm

∑8∑∑answering the question.∑Like I gave you an answer, I'm

∑9∑∑trying to give you an explanation.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And the explanation is, EquityFeed, much like

11∑∑every platform that exists, has an interface.∑And the

12∑∑actual interface of Screener Plus, the one that exists

13∑∑today, I, personally, designed myself in Photoshop.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You, personally, designed it with -- with the

15∑∑knowledge -- with your knowledge of what Filter Builder

16∑∑looks like, right?∑You did that, right?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I designed --

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑-- it with the knowledge of

20∑∑∑∑trading, and knowledge of all the tools that we've

21∑∑∑∑looked at over the last six or seven years that

22∑∑∑∑I've been in the industry.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Including Filter Builder, correct?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑Including Filter Builder, yes.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Thank you.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, Mr. Ben Alluch, how many times while you

∑3∑∑were in that -- in that four to five-month period where

∑4∑∑you were improving the product under development, and

∑5∑∑specifically the screening querying function, how many

∑6∑∑times did you go on to EquityFeed in order to do the

∑7∑∑market research you needed to do to figure out what you

∑8∑∑wanted StocksToTrade's querying or screening function to

∑9∑∑look like?∑How many times did you do that?

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑That did not happen during the

12∑∑∑∑time I joined to the release.

13∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑The -- the Screener Plus was developed, the

16∑∑initial request was done a few days prior to the public

17∑∑release.∑And the final development and delivery of that

18∑∑feature specifically was finalized in November of 2016.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm not talking about Screener Plus.∑I'm

20∑∑talking about -- I'm talking about the querying function

21∑∑that was launched with StocksToTrade on -- in February

22∑∑of 2016.

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑I didn't -- I didn't need to look at

24∑∑EquityFeed for that.∑Any person with a degree in

25∑∑computer science can figure it out.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You may not have needed, but you did do -- you

∑2∑∑did look at EquityFeed, didn't you?

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑4∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Didn't you?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑On a personal basis, I may have accessed, but

∑7∑∑I did not specifically look at that like --

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Like what?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can't answer yes to something like that

10∑∑because I did not specifically look at EquityFeed to

11∑∑build our stuff.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Not specifically.∑But you did look at

13∑∑EquityFeed during that four or five-month period that

14∑∑you were developing the -- or improving the product

15∑∑under development, correct?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You're saying --

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm saying I accessed EquityFeed on a trader

19∑∑basis, the same way I access StockFetcher and the same

20∑∑way I access every other tool, which, by the way, I was

21∑∑a paying subscriber of EquityFeed for the purpose of

22∑∑trading.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And so you're implying right now that I'm

24∑∑using it to copy, where, in fact, I was using it to

25∑∑trade, right?∑I was --

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑It just also happened to be very convenient

∑2∑∑that at the time that you were going on to my client's

∑3∑∑market scanning platform, that you just happened to be

∑4∑∑developing a competitive market scanning platform for --

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑I didn't happen to be developing.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- Tim Sykes and Zachary Westphal, right?

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑8∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That just happened to be a coincidence, right?

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑It was no coincidence.∑I was a

12∑∑∑∑subscriber to StocksToTrade.∑I met with Zach. I

13∑∑∑∑got my book deal.∑They showed me the thing. I

14∑∑∑∑decided to help them make it better because I

15∑∑∑∑wasn't fully satisfied with how EquityFeed was

16∑∑∑∑doing things.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I have kept using EquityFeed for a while after

18∑∑∑∑that because I was still trading.∑And the tool was

19∑∑∑∑at that time a lot better than StocksToTrade was

20∑∑∑∑prior to the launch, because, like, to be honest,

21∑∑∑∑like, StocksToTrade was a piece of garbage at the

22∑∑∑∑time I joined.∑It was not functional.∑It was a

23∑∑∑∑dying product.∑And we spent literally from

24∑∑∑∑September 2015 to February 2016 to actually rework

25∑∑∑∑the entire back end and the front end to be able to

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∑1∑∑∑∑have a viable product at launch that was still not

∑2∑∑∑∑viable at launch.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑We managed to stay afloat, thanks to a number

∑4∑∑∑∑of marketing strategies.∑And we spent the next, I

∑5∑∑∑∑would say, four years resolving all of the issues

∑6∑∑∑∑that came with performance and bandwidth with the

∑7∑∑∑∑platform.

∑8∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Now, you can -- you can assess whatever you

11∑∑want on whether I accessed for what reason, but,

12∑∑personally speaking, I had access to EquityFeed as a

13∑∑trader and that was my primary use for the tool at the

14∑∑time I joined StocksToTrade.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes, your primary use, thank you.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, Mr. Ben Alluch, you would agree -- you

17∑∑just -- strike that.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You would agree that in the fall of 2015 --

19∑∑I'm going rephrase the question.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You made -- you made mention that the

21∑∑EquityFeed product was a lot better than the

22∑∑StocksToTrade product as it existed at that point in

23∑∑time, the fall of 2015, correct?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you would agree that the EquityFeed

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∑1∑∑product is a good product, right?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑It was --

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑What I would say is, EquityFeed

∑5∑∑∑∑was a usable product, but it lacked a large number

∑6∑∑∑∑of features that would cater to people like myself

∑7∑∑∑∑who were trading penny stocks at the time.

∑8∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑All right.∑When did you become a

10∑∑subscriber of EquityFeed?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑I then -- I became a subscriber of

12∑∑StocksToTrade when it was white labeled.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑When?∑When did you do that?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe it was January 2015, but I don't

15∑∑recall the exact date on a personal basis.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then how long did you keep -- after the

17∑∑white label agreement ended, how long did you keep the

18∑∑EquityFeed subscription?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑My understanding is I'm still subscribed to

20∑∑EquityFeed.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And -- okay.∑You never stopped being a

22∑∑subscriber to EquityFeed, correct?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.∑The pricing was good.∑I got

24∑∑grandfathered into $120 a month, which is not their

25∑∑pricing right now, so...

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And did you ever go on to EquityFeed

∑2∑∑with Tim or with Zach?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't understand your question, "go on."

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Did you -- did you ever log in to EquityFeed

∑5∑∑with Tim and/or Zach present?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't believe I've ever done that.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑When you say you don't believe, are you

∑8∑∑saying -- I need to know whether you're denying it or

∑9∑∑you're saying it's possible or you don't know.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, you're asking me on -- as a corporate

11∑∑representative or on a personal basis?

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm asking you, Jamil Ben Alluch, whether you

13∑∑have ever logged into EquityFeed, whether -- whether it

14∑∑was white labeled -- I'm sorry.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Did Jamil Ben Alluch ever log on to either the

16∑∑white label product or EquityFeed itself with Tim and/or

17∑∑Zach present?

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Personally speaking, I don't

20∑∑∑∑remember ever doing that.

21∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And as a corporate representative?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑I have no knowledge of anyone ever doing that

24∑∑with Tim or Zach.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Have you ever logged on to either the white

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∑1∑∑label or to EquityFeed with anybody from Scopic?

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I don't think that's the case.

∑4∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You don't think?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑Like, I have logged on and I have taken screen

∑7∑∑shots occasionally to show certain things, but...

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Whoa, whoa, whoa.∑You have logged on to take

∑9∑∑screen shots.∑You logged on to EquityFeed to take

10∑∑screen shots of EquityFeed?

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Is that what you just said?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you showed those screen shots to Scopic,

16∑∑didn't you?

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I have shown screen shots that I

19∑∑∑∑have taken to Scopic for comparison purposes within

20∑∑∑∑the context of data validation.

21∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑You took screen shots of the

23∑∑EquityFeed product and took those screen shots back to

24∑∑the people who were developing the StocksToTrade

25∑∑product, correct?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑I took --

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I took screen shots that were

∑4∑∑∑∑useful for performance benchmarking in comparison

∑5∑∑∑∑with other market players, as I have done with

∑6∑∑∑∑other products as well.

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑And that included screen shots of my

∑9∑∑client's product, correct?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's very likely, yes.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And did it include screen shots of Filter

12∑∑Builder?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't think so.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, do you know?∑You're saying you don't

15∑∑think so.

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Again --

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are you denying -- whoa, whoa.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Are you denying -- are you denying that you

19∑∑took screen shots of Filter Builder and showed those

20∑∑screen shots to the folks at Scopic?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm not denying, but I'm not also saying I did

22∑∑because, again, I spent the last five years working,

23∑∑five, six years working on this project, and the amount

24∑∑of information that has been exchanged is extremely

25∑∑large.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And, you know, within the context of preparing

∑2∑∑for this deposition, I wasn't to be expected to see

∑3∑∑every, single communication that was, you know, that has

∑4∑∑happened between Scopic, myself, the developers, Tim,

∑5∑∑Zach or anyone involved within that.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, did you ever take screen shots

∑7∑∑on EquityFeed of the indicator pull-down menus, yes or

∑8∑∑no?

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I'll just tell you it's the same

11∑∑∑∑answer.∑It's, I cannot recall the specifics of

12∑∑∑∑what -- and, again, I cannot be expected to know

13∑∑∑∑every, single communication or piece of data that

14∑∑∑∑was given to, you know, Scopic as part of our

15∑∑∑∑software development communication.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑We've been going over an hour.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I'm going to finish up this line

18∑∑∑∑of questioning.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑You can take a couple more

20∑∑∑∑questions and then we'll take a break.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Yeah, we'll take a break in a

22∑∑∑∑couple moments, okay.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Sure.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So tell me what screen shots you do remember

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∑1∑∑taking from Equity -- EquityFeed that you showed to

∑2∑∑Scopic.

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Possibly level two, just for comparative

∑4∑∑reasons on, you know, how we're doing, as I did with

∑5∑∑Interactive Brokers as well, to see what the differences

∑6∑∑were in how we were processing the data.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Time and sales would have come up.∑Charting,

∑8∑∑because just to show what not to do.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Those are the ones that immediately come to

10∑∑mind at this point.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you have any recollection of taking any

12∑∑screen shots of Filter Builder?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't have any recollection of taking any

14∑∑screen shots of Filter Builder.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But -- but we agree that you're not -- you're

16∑∑not here saying it didn't happen, correct?∑You're just

17∑∑saying you don't remember if it happened, correct?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑What I'm saying is that there are a lot of

19∑∑communications and I cannot be expected to know all of

20∑∑them.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm not asking you to remember.∑I'm asking

22∑∑about, do you remember what screen shots --

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑I just shared that information in your prior

24∑∑question.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Is it your testimony today that you never took

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∑1∑∑screen shots of Filter Builder to show to Scopic?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑I cannot say for certain that I never took

∑3∑∑screen shots of Filter Builder.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Thank you.∑Now, I want to talk to you about

∑5∑∑Jira.

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑Of course.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Is now a good time for a break,

∑8∑∑∑∑since you're starting a new topic?

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Actually, it is part of this

10∑∑∑∑topic.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Okay.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Give me -- give me 5 minutes and

13∑∑∑∑then we'll take a break.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Okay.

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Jira was the -- the platform that was used to

17∑∑communicate with Scopic about the tasks that you wanted

18∑∑them to perform, correct?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And do you have your Jira notes?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't have any notes with me.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What's that?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not have any notes with me.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I understand that.∑But do your Jira notes

25∑∑exist --

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑2∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- with Scopic --

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

∑5∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- regarding StocksToTrade platform?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑My apologies.∑Jira does not provide notes. I

∑8∑∑just want to make sure I fully understand the context of

∑9∑∑your question.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑The question assumes -- yeah,

11∑∑∑∑assumes facts not in evidence.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I'll rephrase it.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yeah.

14∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What is Jira?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Jira is an issue tracking system for software

17∑∑development.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑And how does one use Jira?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑So typically you will have your developers,

20∑∑and then you will have issue requests that get recorded

21∑∑into Jira as part of the list or the backlog, depending

22∑∑on the type of software development strategies you use.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So a request will come in, whether it's a

24∑∑feature request for something new or a bug report,

25∑∑someone's reporting on something that's not working

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∑1∑∑needs to be addressed.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And then a -- one of the developers gets

∑3∑∑assigned to that specific issue to perform the work that

∑4∑∑will either correct or create a given feature or task

∑5∑∑within that context.∑And a discussion can happen within

∑6∑∑each of the tasks contained within the environment of

∑7∑∑the task management system.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So each issue will have a description that

∑9∑∑indicates the request, a title for the request, as well

10∑∑as the assignee, the priority, the gravity, and comments

11∑∑that are going to be associated with that specific

12∑∑request.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Is Jira a subscription service?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Jira is a tool that is offered as a

15∑∑subscription service.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So if I want to use Jira to manage the tasks

17∑∑of a project, I would subscribe to Jira and I would get

18∑∑access to their tool, as one would subscribe to

19∑∑StocksToTrade and get access to StocksToTrade tools?

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑It would be more comparable to

22∑∑∑∑something like Asana or Gmail, if I had to be very

23∑∑∑∑broad about it, but --

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So is it a -- is it a paid service?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑Jira is a paid service.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And are there records of your Jira

∑3∑∑communications with Scopic?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.∑We are producing those to you.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And are those records of STT.com, Inc.

∑6∑∑or a third party?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑Those are records owned by Scopic Software,

∑8∑∑which basically blend the moment from the actual

∑9∑∑creation of the project, which is basically the

10∑∑reference for that date of October 2014 I provided.

11∑∑It's the first ticket on Jira that appears -- that

12∑∑indicates the beginning of the development of the

13∑∑platform.∑So it blends the Jewmon period and was also

14∑∑used by Scopic Software to track the StocksToTrade

15∑∑period as well.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So the Jira notes run from what date to

17∑∑what date?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑From October 2014 to today.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Just to be clear, they're Jira

20∑∑∑∑tickets, Jeff.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Jira tickets.∑Okay.∑No

22∑∑∑∑problem.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And is Stocks -- is Scopic still engaged by

25∑∑StocksToTrade.com to this day?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are they under a contract?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are you producing the contract?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yes.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Yes.

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You're producing all the contracts with

∑9∑∑Scopic?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yes.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Jewmon and StocksToTrade, correct?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I cannot produce anything on behalf of Jewmon.

15∑∑That is outside of scope.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Let me say, yes, Jeff, you're

17∑∑∑∑getting the contract with Scopic.∑There are two.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑When -- when you presented screen shots

20∑∑of the EquityFeed product to Scopic, did you explain to

21∑∑Scopic that these were screen shots from EquityFeed?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑Again, there's about 6,000 tickets on Jira.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm not asking about the tickets.∑I'm asking

24∑∑about you what you remember.

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, I don't remember the specifics of what

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∑1∑∑was written in the description, so I do not know what

∑2∑∑was written at that time, just because of the volume of

∑3∑∑information that's --

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I understand.∑So maybe I'm misunderstanding.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So basically you would take the screen shots

∑6∑∑and then send them to Scopic through Jira; is that

∑7∑∑correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And did you ever have sitdown, old-fashioned

10∑∑human conversations with the folks at Scopic?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑Most of our communications have been online.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I've been remote for about 12 years, so prior

13∑∑to even joining StocksToTrade, and I've been remote ever

14∑∑since.∑Scopic Software is remote.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So, no, to answer your question, there was no

16∑∑sitdowns with Scopic.∑Most all our communication is

17∑∑electronic.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What email -- did you ever communicate with

19∑∑Scopic by email?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑A handful of times.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So the principal mechanism, the principal

22∑∑means of communication between you and Scopic was

23∑∑through Jira?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑And Slack.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What is Slack?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑Slack is a corporate messaging system that

∑2∑∑does multimedia, so essentially it's like -- like a chat

∑3∑∑where, you know, you can talk in realtime without the

∑4∑∑need for necessarily a voice, although they use voice

∑5∑∑communication as well.∑But we primarily communicate

∑6∑∑through Slack.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And Jira is really left more for the

∑8∑∑developer's side who are actually doing the work,

∑9∑∑whereas we use Slack for the high level definitions

10∑∑where we discuss what has to be done and problems and

11∑∑then Scopic tracks that on Jira.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Which platform did you use to send screen

13∑∑shots of my client's Filter Build -- strike that.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Which platform did you use to send screen

15∑∑shots of the EquityFeed product to Scopic?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑It would have been Jira initially.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And you've looked at the Jira notes in

18∑∑preparing the -- the production, correct?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑I've reviewed some of the relevant, you know,

20∑∑within the scope of what was being asked, specifically

21∑∑the scanning portion.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I've reviewed a part of the tickets because,

23∑∑again, there's a very large number of them and very

24∑∑limited amount of time for preparation.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And did -- did you see in your review for the

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∑1∑∑production any Jira notes that included EquityFeed's

∑2∑∑screen shots?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Those -- my understanding is those are being

∑4∑∑produced to you.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you know for a fact they exist?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑I know -- I know for a fact --

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I know for a fact that the

∑9∑∑∑∑documents will be produced to you and there --

10∑∑∑∑there were discussions.∑And if screen shots are,

11∑∑∑∑they would be in the Jira tickets if they were

12∑∑∑∑shared at that point.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And again, I don't have a full recollection of

14∑∑∑∑all the tickets that were created on Jira.

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm asking a simple question.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑As you sit here today, do you agree that the

18∑∑Jira tickets include screen shots that you sent to

19∑∑Scopic; that is, the EquityFeed screen shots?∑Do you

20∑∑agree to that?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I -- again, I've reviewed the

23∑∑∑∑Jira tickets for the preparation, and there's a lot

24∑∑∑∑of tickets.∑I don't recall during the preparation

25∑∑∑∑seeing any screen shots.∑If they would have been

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∑1∑∑∑∑shared, they would have gone through Jira, yes.

∑2∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑But you know you shared them.∑And

∑4∑∑so -- and you know --

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's -- they would be on Jira or they would

∑6∑∑have been through Skype earlier on.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now we have Skype, now a third platform.

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑Right.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Tell me about Skype.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑So Skype was the initial means of

11∑∑communication we had with Scopic Software prior to --

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Why didn't you mention that in your first

13∑∑deposition?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑It was never asked.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So what I want to know right now, I

16∑∑want to know everything that you used to communicate

17∑∑with Scopic, everything.∑I don't care if it was writing

18∑∑in invisible ink.∑I want to know what you used to

19∑∑communicate with Scopic, please.∑Lay it all out,

20∑∑100 percent.

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑Okay.∑So the first means of communication was

22∑∑primarily through email and Skype, with a preference for

23∑∑Skype.∑So it was realtime, we were able to communicate

24∑∑in near realtime or leave messages that were quickly

25∑∑addressable.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Jira was also one of the primary -- at that

∑2∑∑time was one of the primary ways of communication in

∑3∑∑order to be able to properly track the progress of tasks

∑4∑∑at any given point in time.∑That was the initial.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And probably around June of 2016 we introduced

∑6∑∑Slack and we basically dropped Skype altogether.∑Scopic

∑7∑∑kept using Jira, and Slack has been our primary means of

∑8∑∑communication ever since.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑We also have internal issue tracking that's

10∑∑controlled by StocksToTrade that was added much later

11∑∑on.∑That's called YouTrack, and it also includes

12∑∑communication with Scopic -- Scopic in regards to

13∑∑development of the platform.∑And that sums up all the

14∑∑communication layers that we have had.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What email address did you use to communicate

16∑∑with Scopic?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑Initially I used my personal email address,

18∑∑which I believe those are being produced as part of the

19∑∑package.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What was that email address?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's jamil, J-A-M-I-L, so my first name, at

22∑∑A-U-T-R-O-N-I-X.com.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And what -- what Skype address?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑That was my personal Skype address.∑So it's

25∑∑ninja_1.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then the Jira account that was used?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is Scopic's Jira account.∑I mean, they

∑3∑∑have --

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And the Slack account?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑That's the StocksToTrade corporate Slack

∑6∑∑account.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And the YouTrack?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑YouTrack is the corporate YouTrack account.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And are we getting -- are we getting all of

10∑∑your communications with Jira from all -- I'm sorry --

11∑∑all these communications with Scopic from all of these

12∑∑platforms?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is my understanding.∑You are being

14∑∑produced the relevant documents.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then what I -- what I want, and then we'll

16∑∑take a break after this.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What I want to understand is whether or not we

18∑∑are being given copies of the communications from you to

19∑∑Scopic that included screen shots of the EquityFeed

20∑∑product.∑Are they in the production?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Again, I have not looked at all

23∑∑∑∑of the exports.∑If they are there, you know, it

24∑∑∑∑will be included.

25∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But you know they exist, right?

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Go ahead.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I know I took screen shots and,

∑5∑∑∑∑you know, those were likely shared with Scopic. I

∑6∑∑∑∑cannot tell you specifically which tickets or what

∑7∑∑∑∑the subject matter of those tickets were.

∑8∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But -- but this isn't -- this is not

10∑∑complicated.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You know you took screen shots of my client's

12∑∑product and sent them to Scopic, true or false?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I know I took screen shots.∑And I know that I

14∑∑probably may have shared them with Scopic.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, again, it's a chron -- like a time

16∑∑question, in which I have to recollect, you know, six

17∑∑years' worth of communication on how I've done things.

18∑∑And it is a possibility, but I cannot 100 percent

19∑∑guarantee that I did share it with them or not.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I can -- I can say for a fact that I have

21∑∑taken screen shots and logged into the platform.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑But you took screen shots for what

23∑∑purpose?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Again, may --

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Screen shots were taken for what purpose?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑May have been bench marking, or I may have

∑2∑∑used them in my book.∑You know, there's a number of

∑3∑∑reasons why I have taken screen shots.∑It's been a long

∑4∑∑time and that is, you know, a wide scope of information

∑5∑∑that I need to recall.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, have you gone back to -- to your email,

∑7∑∑Skype, Jira, Slack, YouTrack to look for your

∑8∑∑communications to Scopic that included the screen shots?

∑9∑∑Did you --

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑I didn't look -- I didn't look specifically

11∑∑for communication that included screen shots, but I did

12∑∑look specifically, and I was essentially the one pulling

13∑∑that information as being the most knowledgeable on the

14∑∑subject regarding -- so the query terms essentially

15∑∑included EquityFeed, Scanz with a Z, Filter Builder

16∑∑Scan, Screener, Screener Plus.∑So we ran those queries

17∑∑individually.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And I believe our lawyer's team also -- also

19∑∑have full access to our emails to perform their own

20∑∑matter research within the context of the emails, and

21∑∑all those emails were also provided to our team for

22∑∑inspection.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And within, you know, the bounds of what is

24∑∑requested, I feel like we've done our due diligence to

25∑∑pull that information for, you know, the case.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I think we can take a break now.

∑2∑∑∑∑We've been going --

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑How much -- how much time do I

∑4∑∑∑∑have left, please, Darlene?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑You want to just tell us after

∑6∑∑∑∑the break, Darlene?

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑That's fine.∑That's fine.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑We'll take a break.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Yes, please.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑10 minutes.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Thank you.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑We're off the record, 9:12 p.m.

13∑∑∑∑UTC time.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Recess.)

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑We're back on the record,

16∑∑∑∑9:40 p.m. UTC time.

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑We've been talking about the -- the

19∑∑original scanning feature, query feature that was on the

20∑∑StocksToTrade platform when it launched in February of

21∑∑2016.∑I want to now move to Screener Plus.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Can you tell me -- can you go through the

23∑∑evolution of Screener Plus, please?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑The --

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You can answer.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑The evolution?∑I'm not sure I

∑3∑∑∑∑understand the term.

∑4∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you understand the word evolution?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do, but I don't -- I don't understand it in

∑7∑∑this context.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, what does the word evolution mean to

∑9∑∑you?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Something that starts from something, changes

11∑∑form and gets to something else.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑Well, okay.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So explain -- explain to me from the moment of

14∑∑conception to the moment of existence of Screener Plus.

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑I understand.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑So the process to create

18∑∑∑∑Screener Plus was essentially I put in a request to

19∑∑∑∑essentially -- for the feature.∑And then that was

20∑∑∑∑developed for the next eight months.∑And then we

21∑∑∑∑had the feature released in November of 2016.

22∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Who did you put the request to?∑Who did you

24∑∑make the request to?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑That was done through Jira as a ticket.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑To whom?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑Just as a ticket.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑No.∑I'm saying, but who did you send it to?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑You don't send it.∑It's a tracking management

∑5∑∑system.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So who were you directing this to?

∑7∑∑∑∑A∑∑So the assumption there when we place tickets

∑8∑∑or issues in a issue management system is whoever is

∑9∑∑most qualified to work on a given task gets assigned

10∑∑that task.∑And it's either the PM, so the project

11∑∑manager, who will assign that task, or one of the

12∑∑developers of the Scopic Software team who would take

13∑∑that specific ticket and start working on it.∑And

14∑∑that's arbitrary --

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Which person at Scopic got the ticket and

16∑∑worked on developing Screener -- Screener Plus?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe the lead on that was --

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.∑Yeah.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I believe -- and again, I

20∑∑∑∑believe the lead on that was Mladen, who was the

21∑∑∑∑technical lead.∑Mladen Lazic, we talked about him

22∑∑∑∑earlier, technical lead for Scopic Software at that

23∑∑∑∑time.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And does that mean he's the one who actually

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∑1∑∑wrote the code or does that mean that he's -- he was the

∑2∑∑lead guy?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑It means he's the person responsible for the

∑4∑∑ticket.∑And as technical lead he would provide the

∑5∑∑insight on implementation if it's not him putting it in

∑6∑∑place.∑So that means he would direct --

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I want to know who sat at a desk and wrote

∑8∑∑code.

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't have that information.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You don't.

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑It would be -- so we are -- we have done the

12∑∑extracts that were provided to our Counsel that include

13∑∑all of the Screener Plus extracts from Jira within the

14∑∑of context of what was requested.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I do not recall the name of the person who was

16∑∑actively working on it, but it would be on the Jira

17∑∑ticket.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So who do you believe conceived

19∑∑Screener Plus?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑There's a number of people capable of doing

21∑∑that.∑However, I will make a note that Screener Plus,

22∑∑and for that matter, the -- the prior conversation we

23∑∑had regarding the filter are only user interfaces to the

24∑∑querying engine.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And so -- so this -- the best way I can

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∑1∑∑describe that is basically if you have a person, you're

∑2∑∑just essentially changing the clothes on that person to

∑3∑∑look different, but the underlying functionality is

∑4∑∑irrelevant of how you present that interface.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So are you -- are you saying that the

∑6∑∑functionality of Screener Plus was the functionality

∑7∑∑that existed at the time that StocksToTrade launched in

∑8∑∑February 2016?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑What I'm saying is that the querying engine,

10∑∑which is essentially a database system, was in place

11∑∑throughout the process of creating, which is the only

12∑∑way for us to essentially generate lists of stocks based

13∑∑on criteria.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So at the end of day, by analogy what you're

15∑∑telling me is, is that the engine was there, it's just a

16∑∑question of what it was going to look like to the user,

17∑∑correct?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑Partially.∑The -- so the difference between

19∑∑something like the Screener Plus and the filter feature

20∑∑that we discussed earlier is that the filter feature --

21∑∑or it's basically a filter in essence to find specific

22∑∑stuff.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑One of them is -- has a pre-defined query, so

24∑∑you can only search by a pre-determined set of

25∑∑parameters; whereas the other one you can give a lot

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∑1∑∑more flexibility to the end user to create the queries

∑2∑∑that they want to create, which gives them, technically

∑3∑∑speaking or practically speaking, I would say rather, an

∑4∑∑infinite, like, an infinite way of creating screener

∑5∑∑space on their own individual needs.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Ultimately -- ultimately what it does is, it

∑7∑∑provides an interface to a database -- the database

∑8∑∑engine or the querying engine that we have on the back

∑9∑∑end that has all the data in memory as a database

10∑∑system.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So what I gathered from that answer was

12∑∑this:∑That the principal difference between the

13∑∑original query function and Screener -- Screener Plus is

14∑∑that Screener Plus allowed a user to select his or her

15∑∑own criteria to run against the database.

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.∑It performs, like, a very specific

17∑∑query, based on the wider selection of criteria choices

18∑∑we offer to the end user, which are industry standard

19∑∑criteria.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So -- and then what I'm gathering is,

21∑∑is that, that that broader criteria or selection

22∑∑criteria did not exist on the original query function

23∑∑that got launched in February 2016; is that correct?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑The ability to fully customize a search query

25∑∑on the internal database of the StocksToTrade querying

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∑1∑∑engine was not made available at launch.∑But the

∑2∑∑functionality underlying that is basically the -- how we

∑3∑∑find, you know, stocks.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What month and year was it made available?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑November 2016.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑November 2016.∑Okay.∑And so it -- would it

∑7∑∑be fair to say that it was the engine, the engine was

∑8∑∑always there, but what it -- what it -- let me -- let me

∑9∑∑withdraw the question.∑Let me try to ask it this way.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The first time anyone looking at the

11∑∑StocksToTrade website would appreciate that they were

12∑∑able to select their own criteria to view scans was in

13∑∑November of 2016?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.∑As to the

16∑∑∑∑website, as to the term website.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Yes, let me rephrase that.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑The first time anybody using StocksToTrade,

20∑∑the StocksToTrade platform, first time anyone using the

21∑∑StocksToTrade platform would know that they had the

22∑∑ability to select their own criteria to do scans against

23∑∑a database was in November of 2016?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑The first time that feature would have been

25∑∑available to the general public as part of the public

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∑1∑∑release, specifically Screener Plus, was the official

∑2∑∑release of the feature on, I believe it was November 15,

∑3∑∑2016, or November 11.∑It was the week of the 10th in

∑4∑∑2016.∑We do have that on our public change log where we

∑5∑∑list essentially all the feature changes, fixes and

∑6∑∑additions to our platform.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, in order for someone to have known that

∑8∑∑that feature was there, what would they have -- what

∑9∑∑would they have needed to do?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑In order to know that the feature was there?

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes.

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑They would have needed to read the manual.

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑What else?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't -- I don't have a full recollection of

15∑∑all the marketing email that was sent at that period of

16∑∑time.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑My understanding is it's very likely we may

18∑∑have announced that feature as part of our email

19∑∑campaigns, and we may have alluded to it in videos or

20∑∑other, you know, promotional material throughout that

21∑∑period.∑Again, lots of materials, in terms of

22∑∑marketing, have been created over time, so I don't have

23∑∑a full recollection of the entire scope.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You made an analogy.

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑Uh-huh.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You made an analogy earlier --

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- to -- to Screener -- Screener Plus

∑4∑∑essentially being -- putting new clothes on an

∑5∑∑existing -- it's not a good analogy, but you called it

∑6∑∑putting new clothes on an existing engine.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑That doesn't really -- can we come up with a

∑8∑∑better analogy?

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Simultaneous speakers.)

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I can provide you a better

11∑∑∑∑analogy.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Let's grab a Hyundai and a Kia.∑Both cars are

13∑∑∑∑made in Korea.∑They look very much alike.∑If you

14∑∑∑∑grab any given model, you know, typically they're

15∑∑∑∑very close together.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, they both run, engines, wheels and all

17∑∑∑∑kinds of features specifically to them that you

18∑∑∑∑would assume are standard for a vehicle that needs

19∑∑∑∑to function.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, you have different trims on each of the

21∑∑∑∑cars where you can all together just remove the

22∑∑∑∑body work and put something else on top that makes

23∑∑∑∑it look like a completely different car.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑In essence, the difference between, for

25∑∑∑∑example, filter -- the filter portion that we were

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∑1∑∑discussing earlier and Screener Plus is, we just

∑2∑∑decided at that point to offer the car without

∑3∑∑doors and windows.∑It's still a functional car.

∑4∑∑It has wheels, an engine, a steering wheel and a

∑5∑∑seat, but the overall, you know, look is not the

∑6∑∑same, but the functionality operates the same in a

∑7∑∑limited capacity.

∑8∑∑∑∑Now, on the other model you start adding, you

∑9∑∑know, like infotainment system and all the windows

10∑∑and Android Alt or Apple car, whichever is your

11∑∑preference, and all of these data plans that allow

12∑∑you to have a better experience.∑Or even if you go

13∑∑with a higher transport trim, what you do is,

14∑∑you're basically changing that look, but the

15∑∑underlying car is the same.

16∑∑∑∑And so the analogy here is essentially at

17∑∑the -- at the bottom it's the same back-end process

18∑∑that gives the functionality.∑And then we just

19∑∑create interfaces on the front end that come and

20∑∑communicate with that, in the same way you'll have

21∑∑all those extra features made available to the user

22∑∑to interact with, such as, you know, the power

23∑∑windows and the press start, you know, button and

24∑∑drive assist.∑Those features are available on both

25∑∑cars, except the interfaces with the user, the ways

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∑1∑∑∑∑you perform that task may not be available on the

∑2∑∑∑∑other one.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So that would be, I suppose, a better analogy.

∑4∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So would I be correct in understanding that

∑6∑∑the development of Screener Plus was really about the

∑7∑∑development of its interface?

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Sorry.∑I didn't hear you.∑What

∑9∑∑∑∑was that?

10∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That the development of Screener Plus was

12∑∑really about the development of its interface.

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I feel like that would be a proper way to

14∑∑describe it.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So who -- who actually developed the

16∑∑interface?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I did.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Well, let me -- let me correct that.∑I did

19∑∑the mockup.∑The developers developed the interface.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So I made a drawing on either Illustrator or

21∑∑Photoshop, I don't recall the specifics.∑And then that

22∑∑was given to the desk, the developers, and then they

23∑∑made it happen.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, do you agree that Screener Plus

25∑∑has its own specific user interface and flow logic that

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∑1∑∑a user goes through to complete the steps required to

∑2∑∑build the stock scan, whether it be single rule or

∑3∑∑multiple rules and get the realtime results?

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Would you mind repeating that

∑6∑∑∑∑question?∑I didn't fully grasp the entirety of it.

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you agree that Screener Plus has its own

∑9∑∑specific user interface and flow logic that a user goes

10∑∑through to complete the steps required to build a stock

11∑∑scan?

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I don't grasp, you know, like,

14∑∑∑∑the term specific there, throwing me off in the

15∑∑∑∑context of the question.

16∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What -- do you agree -- let me rephrase the

18∑∑question.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you agree that Screener Plus has its own

20∑∑user interface?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑Screener Plus has a dedicated user interface.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑And you would agree that that -- that

23∑∑user interface has a flow logic that a user goes through

24∑∑to complete the steps required to build a stock scan,

25∑∑correct?

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑One more time?

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you agree that that -- that Screener Plus

∑5∑∑user interface has a flow logic that a user goes through

∑6∑∑to complete the steps required to build a stock scan,

∑7∑∑correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑I wouldn't call it --

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑-- a scan.∑It's really a

11∑∑∑∑database query.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Call it a database query.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑With that, do you agree -- do you agree with

15∑∑that?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑The interface provides the means.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Again, a user interface, I'll put the focus on

18∑∑the word interface, which essentially means we're

19∑∑connecting two pieces together, in this case the front

20∑∑end and the software back end, which deals with the

21∑∑querying engine.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So in this case the interface is the method by

23∑∑which the user chooses the necessary information that is

24∑∑passed back to the querying engine to perform a query on

25∑∑the database in order to obtain realtime results.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And there is a flow logic to the manner in

∑2∑∑which the user selects the criteria, correct?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑The flow -- the flow is based on math.∑So,

∑4∑∑for instance, you cannot choose to put a number before

∑5∑∑an operator, for example, or you cannot do, for example,

∑6∑∑like -- trying to find a simple analogy for this to

∑7∑∑simplify the process.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Typically when you do a sum and a product

∑9∑∑there's an order to things.∑And you cannot put a plus

10∑∑sign before you put your numbers.∑You're not going to

11∑∑do plus 5, 3.∑There is a sequence that needs to be

12∑∑followed in order for an addition to happen.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And when you're dealing with databases, the

14∑∑process is the same, where you need to put the field

15∑∑name that you're selecting, you need to put an operator,

16∑∑which defines the comparison that you're doing within

17∑∑the query, and then you need to put the desired search

18∑∑query that you're looking for, which is commonly applied

19∑∑within any database engine.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So, for instance, if I have to do that with a

21∑∑SQL query, I would do select star from a table, and a

22∑∑table being the data store for a given set of data,

23∑∑where price greater or equal to $5.∑And that -- that is

24∑∑a written query on a normal database engine.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So what I did there is, I grabbed the field

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∑1∑∑that exists on my table.∑I used a comparative operator,

∑2∑∑which in this case greater or equal to, and then I added

∑3∑∑the value by which I am comparing it to.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So this query feature that we have, so the

∑5∑∑building feature for that is the operation of selecting

∑6∑∑that field within the database, selecting the operator

∑7∑∑by which we are doing the comparison, and then setting

∑8∑∑the value by which we are comparing the, you know, that

∑9∑∑operator to.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And then we have the sequential following,

11∑∑which is, you know, the logical operators and/or which

12∑∑allow you to combine multiple of these in the same way

13∑∑we do it for a database system in a relational manner,

14∑∑whether it's PostgreSQL, MySQL or any other database in

15∑∑existence.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So I appreciate that.∑Got a little too

17∑∑technical for me, so let me see if I can try this again

18∑∑and perhaps maybe you could give me a more direct yes or

19∑∑no response, followed by a more simplified explanation,

20∑∑one that a jury and judge can understand.∑Okay?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So we established that Screener Plus has its

22∑∑own user interface.

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Now, what I'm asking you is that when -- when

25∑∑a customer uses that Screener Plus interface, does that

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∑1∑∑interface require the user to -- strike that.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Does that interface have a flow logic that a

∑3∑∑user goes through to complete the steps required to

∑4∑∑build a stock inquiry?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.∑I don't

∑6∑∑∑∑understand flow logic.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Go ahead.∑You can answer, if you understand.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Yeah.∑I do not understand flow

∑9∑∑∑∑logic in this specific example.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I think that's the problem with

11∑∑∑∑the question.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you understand the word sequencing?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I understand sequencing.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So what I'm asking you is, does the

16∑∑user interface have a sequence of steps by which the

17∑∑user builds an inquiry to look for stocks of interest in

18∑∑the database?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑It does, in the same way that you need to put,

20∑∑again, a number before a plus sign.∑If you're -- basic

21∑∑arithmetic, I think that I can get by with that one.

22∑∑You cannot do plus 5, 3 in order to get to 8.∑So you do

23∑∑plus 5, 3, your expectation is 8, you would do 5 plus 3.

24∑∑You have first element, you have your mathematical

25∑∑operator, and then you have the second element for the

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∑1∑∑addition.∑Just math, right?∑1 plus 1 equals 2.∑You

∑2∑∑cannot do plus 1, 1 equals something.∑You wouldn't have

∑3∑∑something because it needs to have a following, in terms

∑4∑∑to be able -- for that operation to be logical.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So in the context -- and that's to answer your

∑6∑∑question.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The user needs to place the operator prior to

∑8∑∑the -- the field of search prior to an operator, and

∑9∑∑that is a sequence being followed in order to make

10∑∑logical sense on what the comparison is, because you

11∑∑cannot compare a value to an -- to air or an unknown.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But let me -- I'm going to try -- forgive me.

13∑∑I'm -- I'll get to where -- where I want to go.

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right?

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What you said to me earlier, that this really

17∑∑distinguished Screener Plus from what existed originally

18∑∑was Screener Plus enabled users to select their own

19∑∑criteria.

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑Now, you would agree that on the

22∑∑interface, on the Screener Plus interface there are

23∑∑broad categories of criteria that a user can select

24∑∑from, correct?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑There are broad -- the user can select from a

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∑1∑∑number of pre-defined criteria based on industry

∑2∑∑standards for those fields that we have on the database.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So, for instance, the user can -- the user can

∑4∑∑select an analytic, correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑The user can select a -- to do a comparison

∑6∑∑with a calculated value, which is my understanding of

∑7∑∑what you're calling analytic right now.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑And so under analytics, the user can

∑9∑∑look at price, data, correct?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.∑An analytic would be a calculated field.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So what you would be doing is grabbing a

12∑∑specific field within the table and doing a comparison

13∑∑with a specific calculated field.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So in simple terms, instead of grabbing a

15∑∑specific value, you would grab something that has -- a

16∑∑formula is calculated of things of value, and then you

17∑∑compare that to your initial criteria.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So let me see if I can dumb this down.

19∑∑All right?

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑On Screener Plus a user has a choice among

21∑∑price, data, liquidity, fundamentals and technical

22∑∑overlay.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you agree with that?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And can -- do those features, do those

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∑1∑∑criteria all belong to a broader category?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑They're industry standard terms.∑So liquidity

∑3∑∑refers to volume typically and you have several

∑4∑∑categories of volume that you're looking at within that

∑5∑∑context.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Pricing, you know, you're looking at different

∑7∑∑categories within that context.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The high, the lows, again, categories within

∑9∑∑that context based on time, all of which -- all of which

10∑∑are industry standard terms used, generally speaking,

11∑∑across any market trading tool.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So again, you're giving me more than

13∑∑what I asked for, but I appreciate that.∑All right.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So let me think before I speak.∑All right?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So where would I find price data on Screener

16∑∑Plus, under what -- under what -- what caption or label?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm not sure I follow your question.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Well, where on -- where on the

19∑∑dashboard of Screener Plus would I find price data?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'm having trouble grasping --

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Price data as a criteria.

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑Okay.∑So that would be -- I believe that

23∑∑would be on the left, if memory serves well.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑Under what category or --

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe it's called parameter, on top of my

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∑1∑∑head.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Parameters.∑Okay.∑So a user of Screener Plus

∑3∑∑could go to parameters --

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- and press that button, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑There is not a button.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's a column.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Column.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And then under -- under the word -- in that

11∑∑column under parameters there's price data, liquidity,

12∑∑fundamentals, technical overlay, correct?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑Which are top level categories.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What's that?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yeah, those are top level categories for

16∑∑industry standard terms.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑Now, when we talk about "top level,"

18∑∑what do you mean by that?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, it's -- it's a categorization of fields

20∑∑that fall within the similar family, I suppose.∑Or it's

21∑∑really a category of fields from the database.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then are there sublevels under the top

23∑∑levels?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't fully recall the entire -- there's --

25∑∑there's a number of them, so I don't fully know the

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∑1∑∑hierarchy of how that is presented.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, so, for instance, under liquidity --

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- there were -- there is a pull-down menu,

∑5∑∑wouldn't you agree, that then lists as subcomponents of

∑6∑∑liquidity, volume, dollar volume, average daily volume

∑7∑∑trading, correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.∑Liquidity implies volume as part of, you

∑9∑∑know, it's a market industry standard term used to

10∑∑define.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And then volume and all of those you listed

12∑∑are specific fields within the category of liquidity,

13∑∑they all fall within that category as part of, you know,

14∑∑how we present the data to the user so it's

15∑∑understandable when it comes to selecting specifics

16∑∑without having to show the entirety of all the

17∑∑selections in a single place and make it a lot more

18∑∑confusing.

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What is the importance in how you present the

20∑∑selection information to the user?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's just the way people --

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Form.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You can answer.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑So in regards to how it's

25∑∑∑∑presented, it's typically industry standard, and

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∑1∑∑∑∑most specifically or more specifically relating to

∑2∑∑∑∑how we typically address in the trading world, you

∑3∑∑∑∑know, the importance of things.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So price is typically the first thing you look

∑5∑∑∑∑at.∑And after price you look at volume related

∑6∑∑∑∑fields.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You will look at price, volume, high, low, and

∑8∑∑∑∑then anything else that comes up will follow that.

∑9∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But here's my question.∑I asked you about

11∑∑what is the importance.

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑Importance is --

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Hold on.∑I got to finish the question.

14∑∑Sorry.

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sorry.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What importance did you, as the designer of

17∑∑the interface, put on the -- the presentation of these

18∑∑parameters and sub parameters to the user?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑So it's subjective.∑And that's

21∑∑∑∑more of a design decision, based on my personal

22∑∑∑∑experience with trading.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And the goal with the design when I was having

24∑∑∑∑on the creative level is that we wanted to have

25∑∑∑∑something visual that was not overload, given the

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∑1∑∑∑∑complexity of the tool itself.

∑2∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you were trying to simplify the complex,

∑4∑∑correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑We were trying to make it a simple process for

∑6∑∑customers to be able to create those without necessarily

∑7∑∑having to learn how to code a query.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So you were presenting information --

∑9∑∑presenting criteria to the -- you decided to present

10∑∑criteria to the user, both top level and then related

11∑∑sublevels, that the user could follow in a simple way in

12∑∑order to develop the query?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I disagree with that.∑I don't believe you can

14∑∑follow --

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I don't -- I'm not -- what I want to know is

16∑∑what was in your mind.∑Okay?

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So, you know, tell me what it is that you did

18∑∑to simplify the presentation of selection criteria to

19∑∑the user.

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe you may have a misunderstanding on

21∑∑how the process works and the ultimate result, and I'd

22∑∑like to clarify that before -- before answering that --

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I don't -- I don't need a clarification.∑I'm

24∑∑asking you to answer my questions.

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, I am more than willing to do that.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Look, Mr. Ben Alluch, I got the control here.

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑Of course.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay?∑I ask the questions and you answer

∑4∑∑them.∑Okay?

∑5∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I don't want to get into -- as much as, you

∑7∑∑know, I appreciate your forthcomingness, but I only have

∑8∑∑a limited amount of time for this deposition and I'm

∑9∑∑protecting my time now.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Understood.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I want to know what you did in designing the

12∑∑Screener Plus interface.∑What did you do to simplify

13∑∑the process for a user to select criteria to form a

14∑∑query?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑The creative process behind that

17∑∑∑∑at a personal level when I was designing this was

18∑∑∑∑essentially to make sure that it wasn't a visual

19∑∑∑∑overload of criteria that people could select from,

20∑∑∑∑which is what would have happened if I would have

21∑∑∑∑left all the criteria you're referring to in a

22∑∑∑∑single list of things.∑It would have been a fairly

23∑∑∑∑large number of elements that would not have been

24∑∑∑∑practical for a user to use.

25∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So what did you do, in order to facilitate

∑2∑∑that?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑I collapsed the criteria into corresponding

∑4∑∑categories, which matched within their own specific

∑5∑∑areas.∑And those are the -- what you now know as a top

∑6∑∑level categories, that then unfold into those sublevels

∑7∑∑that are actually the criteria.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And do you know of any other market

∑9∑∑analysis tool that built their interface as you just

10∑∑described?

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I mean, every, single major

13∑∑∑∑trading platform will offer some kind of selection

14∑∑∑∑in such a manner where you can select your criteria

15∑∑∑∑and then --

16∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I understand -- I understand that the criteria

18∑∑may be present on other platforms.∑I'm not talking

19∑∑about the existence of the user.

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑So --

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Hold on.∑I'm talking about the presentation

22∑∑of a platform.

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑None -- the answer is no.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Look, what I'm asking you is, do you know of

25∑∑any platform, any other platform by any other company

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∑1∑∑that organized the criteria as you did, you know,

∑2∑∑compartmentalizing it as you did on Screener Plus?

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I don't -- the way we

∑5∑∑∑∑specifically organized it, no.

∑6∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you believe Screener Plus is unique in that

∑8∑∑regard, correct?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe that our design is unique.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And what is unique about your design is the

11∑∑compartmentalization of the criteria, correct?

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I believe that the design in its

14∑∑∑∑totality and the individual parts of how it's

15∑∑∑∑presented is unique.

16∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑So it's the visual, it's the

18∑∑organization of the criteria that you believe is unique

19∑∑to Screener Plus, correct?

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Let me -- let me understand the

22∑∑∑∑word organization, just to make sure I grasp that.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, it's what you described just a moment

25∑∑ago.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Rather than presenting criteria in one big

∑2∑∑list, you broke it down into category, subcategory,

∑3∑∑correct?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑This is the same -- this is the

∑7∑∑∑∑same way that Windows allows you to look for files

∑8∑∑∑∑by unfolding top level categories and allowing you

∑9∑∑∑∑to see underneath folders or any other, you know,

10∑∑∑∑file manager menus that --

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑And what you believe is unique about

13∑∑Screener Plus are these top level, sublevel folders of

14∑∑criteria?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

16∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe that all of that is essentially

19∑∑industry standard terms categorized by the way they're

20∑∑normally put in place.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm asking -- I'm asking about you.

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, I base -- I base this off of the

23∑∑standard industry practices, which is essentially to

24∑∑show --

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm not -- I'm not asking about industry

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∑1∑∑standard practices.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I'm asking about what you did and what you

∑3∑∑believe is unique.∑Okay?

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And so what -- what I'm understanding from

∑5∑∑what you said is that there's a whole lot of criteria

∑6∑∑out there.∑And you can just put it on, you know, under

∑7∑∑one column and let people pick and choose.∑But what you

∑8∑∑decided to do was to organize it, correct?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑Absolutely, yes.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And so -- and what you did is, is, you

11∑∑organized it by -- by top level, sublevel pull-down type

12∑∑of menus, correct?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So that there was a logical flow among

15∑∑criteria that are related to each other, correct?

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I disagree with that.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, tell me -- tell me what you did in

20∑∑organizing the criteria.∑You tell me.

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑It was as you described.∑It is organized in a

22∑∑top level category, which contains elements that are

23∑∑related to that top level.∑And I've done that for each

24∑∑of the fields that are available on the database.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And when you did that, were you aware of any

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∑1∑∑other market analysis or market scanning tool that did

∑2∑∑what you did as you did it?

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Objection.∑Form.

∑4∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That looked as your Screener Plus did?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I was not -- I was not aware of

∑8∑∑∑∑any other tool that would look as Screener Plus.

∑9∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So from your standpoint, even though

11∑∑there are a lot of other tools out there that -- that

12∑∑use a similar criteria, you don't know of any other tool

13∑∑out there that presents that criteria organized as you

14∑∑organized it, correct?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Not to the best of my

17∑∑∑∑recollection.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑On a personal level I can, you know, again, I

19∑∑∑∑look at a large number of things.∑This was

20∑∑∑∑developed five years ago.∑I don't know what I

21∑∑∑∑looked at or didn't look at.∑And at this point I

22∑∑∑∑do not remember.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑But -- yes, again, you're answering a question

25∑∑that I didn't ask.∑I'm not asking if you remember.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑What I'm saying is that when you -- when you

∑2∑∑finished designing this interface, you believed it was

∑3∑∑unique in the manner in which it organized the criteria,

∑4∑∑correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I believed it was unique in the

∑7∑∑∑∑manner the interface was presented for the end

∑8∑∑∑∑user.

∑9∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now, and to go one level down from that

11∑∑answer, what was unique about the manner in which the

12∑∑interface presented information to the user was the

13∑∑manner in which the interface presented the criteria to

14∑∑the user, correct?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Would you mind repeating that

17∑∑∑∑question?∑I didn't fully understand.

18∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yeah.∑What was -- what was unique was the

20∑∑organization of the criteria, correct?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑What was unique was the design

23∑∑∑∑of the interface as a whole.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I understand that.∑But, you know, again,

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∑1∑∑we're going backwards.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The interface includes the criteria, correct?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.∑It goes parameters.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Parameters, all right.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And what you did is, you organized those

∑6∑∑parameters in what you believe was a unique way,

∑7∑∑correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I organized -- I don't recall

10∑∑∑∑how I decided to organize that information.

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I didn't ask you how.∑I didn't ask that

13∑∑question.

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I didn't respond how.∑I said, I don't recall

15∑∑how -- like, you're asking about a creative process

16∑∑which is absolutely 100 percent subjective.∑I made

17∑∑those decisions --

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm not asking about a creative process.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Simultaneous speakers.)

20∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, listen --

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑COURT REPORTER:∑One at a time, please.

23∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm not asking you a difficult question.∑I'm

25∑∑asking you as simply as possible to tell the judge and

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∑1∑∑the jury in this case right now what you believe was

∑2∑∑unique about the manner in which you organized the

∑3∑∑parameters, the selection parameters.∑Please answer

∑4∑∑that question.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑The parameters were organized --

∑7∑∑∑∑to the best of my recollection, which was five

∑8∑∑∑∑years ago, they were organized based on industry

∑9∑∑∑∑standards, which I believe to be a common practice

10∑∑∑∑at that time.∑And they were put in a unique

11∑∑∑∑looking interface I believe to be unique.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Tell me about that unique looking interface.

14∑∑What was unique about that interface?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑So the interface, you know, uses boxes in

16∑∑order to generate the criteria -- the actual, you know,

17∑∑values, and then you can combine those boxes into what

18∑∑represents a query to essentially search for specific --

19∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Tell me about -- tell me about the

20∑∑presentation of the parameters to the user, the

21∑∑organization of those parameters to the user.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑They're presented -- they're

24∑∑∑∑presented on the left-hand side and they can unroll

25∑∑∑∑the categories and select from them.∑And then they

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∑1∑∑∑∑can select the operator and the value they want to

∑2∑∑∑∑compare that item to.

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And do you believe that the manner in which

∑5∑∑you were presenting the parameters to the user to select

∑6∑∑was -- was unique?

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Asked and answered.

∑8∑∑∑∑Form.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Mr. Feldman, I've answered this

10∑∑∑∑four times already.∑You don't like my answer on

11∑∑∑∑what I believe.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I just want a simple answer.

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I just told you.∑I said --

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You got to stop.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Simultaneous speakers.)

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You're telling me -- you told me during this

19∑∑deposition that the manner in which you organized and

20∑∑presented the parameters to the user was unique.∑And

21∑∑I'm just trying to understand, what was it about --

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑I didn't -- I didn't say that.∑I didn't

23∑∑say -- what I said is, I believe that the interface is

24∑∑unique as a whole, and within the components the way we

25∑∑design it as unique.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Right.∑I'll tell you what.∑You've given your

∑2∑∑answers and the record will show what it is that you've

∑3∑∑said.∑Okay?∑So maybe it's best that we move on.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I agree.

∑5∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You would agree -- you would agree that

∑7∑∑there -- that the manner -- that the Screener Plus

∑8∑∑presents the parameters in an -- in an organized way;

∑9∑∑agreed?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑It presents the parameters in an organized

11∑∑way, yes.

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And do you know of any other market

13∑∑scanning tool that presents the parameters in the same

14∑∑way that you present them on Screener Plus?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Not that I can think of at this moment.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Thank you.∑Okay.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, and did you decide to present those

18∑∑parameters as you did in order to simplify the process

19∑∑of selection for the user?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑I just --

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑It was part of the design

23∑∑∑∑process.∑And again, I don't recall what the

24∑∑∑∑decisions were why I made certain things.∑It

25∑∑∑∑happened five years ago.

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are you -- are you saying, as you sit here

∑3∑∑today as the designer of the interface, that you don't

∑4∑∑know whether you designed the presentation of the

∑5∑∑parameters as you did in order to simplify the process

∑6∑∑for the user?

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑What I said is, I've designed

∑9∑∑∑∑the interface, I've created those mockups.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I do not recall the creative process that was

11∑∑∑∑behind or the thoughts that went behind that at

12∑∑∑∑that moment when those were created over five years

13∑∑∑∑ago.

14∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, so are you telling me you don't -- you

16∑∑have no idea what your motivation was for organizing the

17∑∑parameters as you did?

18∑∑∑∑A∑∑I've already shared the motivation on earlier

19∑∑questions, which is essentially simplify the interface

20∑∑and follow industry standards for, you know.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Why was simplifying the interface important?

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Let the witness finish his

23∑∑∑∑answer, please.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Simplifying the interface allows

25∑∑∑∑people to have a better experience when using the

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∑1∑∑∑∑interface.

∑2∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑So you organized the parameters as you

∑4∑∑did so people will have a better experience in using the

∑5∑∑Screener Plus feature, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Thank you.∑Now, do you know FINVIZ?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Does FINVIZ, the presentation of selection

10∑∑parameters on FINVIZ look anything like they do on

11∑∑Screener Plus?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑I have no recollection of the product. I

13∑∑haven't used it in years.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑StockFetcher.∑Do you know StockFetcher?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Does StockFetcher present selection parameters

17∑∑as you present them on Screener Plus?

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Again, I haven't looked at that

20∑∑∑∑product in years as well.

21∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Trade Ideas, do you know Trade Ideas?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Does Trade Ideas present the parameter, the

25∑∑selection parameters as you do on Screener Plus?

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Same answer as prior.∑I haven't

∑3∑∑∑∑used Trade Ideas in a long time.

∑4∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑How about TD Ameritrade?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑I haven't used them in a while.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you don't know?

∑8∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's something that I would have to access and

∑9∑∑refresh my recollection on.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑But on a personal capacity, I haven't accessed

11∑∑those products, nor do I have any reason to do so in

12∑∑recent times, given my, you know, obligations

13∑∑professionally.

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What about EquityFeed, does EquityFeed present

15∑∑design parameters similarly to the way you do it on

16∑∑Screener Plus?

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I haven't looked at EquityFeed

19∑∑∑∑and I haven't for a while.

20∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, you know, I mean, you already admitted

22∑∑that you not only looked at EquityFeed during the design

23∑∑period, but you took screen shots of my client's

24∑∑product.

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑I did.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And actually, for the record, I will confirm,

∑2∑∑during the break I had a chance to refresh my

∑3∑∑recollection.∑So there are screen shots available on

∑4∑∑Jira.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And I confirmed what I had mentioned earlier,

∑6∑∑which was, essentially we used that for benchmarking in

∑7∑∑the case where we were missing some stocks from our or

∑8∑∑some -- some financial entries and level two entries

∑9∑∑from our results.∑So it was --

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you found on Jira during the break Jira

11∑∑notes that included screen shots of my client's product,

12∑∑correct?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I found -- I found -- I found

16∑∑∑∑tickets referring to EquityFeed in which screen

17∑∑∑∑shots were included of EquityFeed that were

18∑∑∑∑provided to Scopic Software and were used for

19∑∑∑∑benchmarking our results.

20∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yeah.∑So are we going to be getting those

22∑∑Jira notes with my client's -- with the screen shots of

23∑∑my client's product?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑My under --

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yes.∑Yeah.

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Now -- okay.∑So going back.∑Now --

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑And, again, they're tickets, by

∑4∑∑∑∑the way, Jeff.∑Just I know you keep calling them

∑5∑∑∑∑notes, but go ahead.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Tickets.∑Tickets.

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑So Mr. Ben Alluch, does EquityFeed

∑9∑∑present selection parameters similarly to Screener Plus?

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑I have no idea.

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You don't?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑As I mentioned earlier, I haven't used

13∑∑EquityFeed in a while.∑I do not try to recall what they

14∑∑do or don't do.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And my primary focus over the last, you know,

16∑∑number of years has been working on developing new

17∑∑features, not trying to look at what other people are

18∑∑doing.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑If I may interject for a moment.

20∑∑∑∑Madame Videographer, how much time do we have left?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Let me calculate it real quick.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Just note for the record, that

23∑∑∑∑wasn't part of the deposition topics, Jeff.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑You have one hour left.

25∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are you saying you never compared

∑2∑∑StocksToTrade to EquityFeed?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't believe I've ever said that.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You never made sure that things were not too

∑5∑∑close between StocksToTrade and EquityFeed?∑Is that

∑6∑∑your testimony?

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Is that part of the topic list

∑9∑∑∑∑that we're --

10∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Answer the question, please.

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑I'll answer the question.∑And I'm guessing

13∑∑that's based on my prior deposition.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I have accessed EquityFeed and I have probably

15∑∑run comparisons on a personal standing.∑But I'm not

16∑∑sure whether I should be answering that on a corporate

17∑∑representative capacity.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑This isn't part of the noticed

19∑∑∑∑topics.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Simultaneous speakers.)

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑It's fine, but it's just not

22∑∑∑∑part of the depo Notice.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Go ahead.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you remember this question and this answer

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∑1∑∑from your prior deposition, page 198, line 6.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Actually, let me go back one more page.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Page 197, line 19:∑"Would you deny that

∑4∑∑∑∑EquityFeed has almost an identical interface design

∑5∑∑∑∑to the one that's being -- that was put into

∑6∑∑∑∑service by StocksToTrade in 2016?"

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Answer:∑"I feel like the question is

∑8∑∑∑∑extremely subjective."

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Question -- actually, you say, "In terms of

10∑∑∑∑comparing.∑I can give you an opinion that will be

11∑∑∑∑my own.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Question:∑"Sure.∑What's your opinion?"

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Answer:∑"I don't think they look anything

14∑∑∑∑alike."

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Question:∑"And have you done a comparison as

16∑∑∑∑to whether they're alike or not alike in a

17∑∑∑∑significant way?∑∑And what I mean by that, it's in

18∑∑∑∑reference to StocksToTrade versus EquityFeed."

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Answer:∑"I understand.∑I believe I may have

20∑∑∑∑looked and compared to make sure things were not

21∑∑∑∑too close, and also to create an interface that was

22∑∑∑∑suitable for our end users, but not similar to

23∑∑∑∑other players in the industry."

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you remember giving that answer?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe I do.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you stand by that answer?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑I stand by the belief of whatever I may have

∑3∑∑said and, you know, that is relative to my recollection

∑4∑∑and my understanding based on my -- on my own memory.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you did -- you agree that in developing

∑6∑∑StocksToTrade's Screener Plus feature, you did compare

∑7∑∑the Screener Plus feature to EquityFeed, correct?

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Is that -- are you asking me on

10∑∑∑∑a personal capacity?

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes.

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑On a personal capacity, it's very --

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.∑That

15∑∑∑∑misstates prior testimony.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You can answer.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I'm asking -- I'm not asking

18∑∑∑∑about prior testimony.∑I'm asking him from his own

19∑∑∑∑memory.

20∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You would agree --

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑He can answer in his personal

23∑∑∑∑capacity.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Go ahead.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Yeah, he's answering from his

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∑1∑∑∑∑personal capacity.

∑2∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You would agree -- I'm asking you

∑4∑∑individually, using your own knowledge and your brain.

∑5∑∑Okay?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Did you, while designing Screener Plus,

∑7∑∑compare what you were doing for Screener Plus to

∑8∑∑EquityFeed's Filter Builder, yes or no?

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't recall the events of that time.

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So when you said here -- you don't recall what

11∑∑events?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well, you're alluding specifically to the

13∑∑design that was never a question on the prior

14∑∑deposition.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So what I -- what I said was -- during that

16∑∑time was what I believed to be true at that moment.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And at this point I've been through a lot of

18∑∑information over the course of the last two weeks.∑And

19∑∑while those answers may have been given at that point, I

20∑∑can possibly stand by them, but I have a lot of

21∑∑information to address.∑And the belief remains a belief

22∑∑based on my knowledge at the time.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Mr. Ben Alluch, it's a simple question.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Did you ever look and compare StocksToTrade

25∑∑versus EquityFeed, yes or no, for any purpose?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's possible.

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Uh-huh.∑And did you do that to make sure

∑3∑∑things were not too close between the two?

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's possible.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑6∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, when you say, "I believe I may have

∑8∑∑looked and compared," what does that mean?

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.∑Beyond the

10∑∑∑∑scope of the Notice.

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑He testified to the best of his

14∑∑∑∑knowledge as an individual.

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Tell me.∑When you said --

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑Well --

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Hold on.∑I'm asking the question.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑When you said, quote, "I believe I may have

20∑∑looked and compared to make sure things were not too

21∑∑close, and also to create an interface that was suitable

22∑∑for our end users, but not similar to other players in

23∑∑the industry," what did you mean when you said that?

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I meant -- I meant that as, you

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∑1∑∑∑∑know, the key word believe says, that it is a

∑2∑∑∑∑possibility, and I don't fully recall the events

∑3∑∑∑∑that happened during that time, which is precisely

∑4∑∑∑∑what I said at that time during the prior

∑5∑∑∑∑deposition.

∑6∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Given that you were taking screen shots of my

∑8∑∑client's product and sending them to your software

∑9∑∑developer, don't you think just from that alone you were

10∑∑curious about what my -- about what my client's Filter

11∑∑Builder looked like?

12∑∑∑∑A∑∑I made it --

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I made it clear over the course

15∑∑∑∑of the last deposition that we have indeed had

16∑∑∑∑access to EquityFeed.∑The specifics of what was

17∑∑∑∑accessed is fuzzy in my mind.∑It's something I

18∑∑∑∑cannot recall.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, as I mentioned earlier, I refreshed my

20∑∑∑∑recollection on the specifics regarding screen

21∑∑∑∑shots, as mentioned before, and those are indeed

22∑∑∑∑present in which, you know, a comparison was made,

23∑∑∑∑given specific aspects, to benchmark some of these

24∑∑∑∑things, which I have not denied.

25∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So as you sit here today, is it your testimony

∑2∑∑that there is no similarity between Filter Builder and

∑3∑∑Screener Plus in the manner in which each -- each

∑4∑∑presents design parameters to the user?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑On a personal capacity, and

∑7∑∑∑∑taking into account that similarity is a subjective

∑8∑∑∑∑matter, I do not believe they are similar.

∑9∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then why -- why do you believe you're able

11∑∑to give that personal point of view?∑What allows you to

12∑∑state that?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑It's on a personal capacity.∑Similarity is

14∑∑absolutely subjective unless you have a picture perfect

15∑∑image of anything else.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Elad, can we put up --

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I'm going to show you a video.

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That's going to -- it's a -- it shows a

21∑∑comparison of the two side by side, EquityFeed --

22∑∑EquityFeed Filter Builder versus Screener Plus from

23∑∑StocksToTrade.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I'm going to ask you to look at the video.

25∑∑And then at the end of the video, I'm going to ask you

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∑1∑∑whether based on your observation of the video you

∑2∑∑believe there is similarity between the two.∑Okay?

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Will you watch the video carefully and --

∑4∑∑∑∑A∑∑I will.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑All right.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Could you, Elad, put up the

∑7∑∑∑∑video, please.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Yes.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑This was Exhibit 77 from the Sykes deposition.

10∑∑∑∑I can upload the video again -- excuse me, sorry.

11∑∑∑∑I can upload a video again if it's needed.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑I think you're going to have to

13∑∑∑∑because you're going to have to show it to the

14∑∑∑∑witness.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Sure.∑I am going to screen share

16∑∑∑∑it.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Great.∑Then after he watches

18∑∑∑∑the video, you're going to ask him a question and

19∑∑∑∑he'll give an answer --

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Yes.∑There will be no

21∑∑∑∑questioning during the video.∑Just watch --

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑No question pending.∑Okay.

23∑∑∑∑Good.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Before I play it, Madame

25∑∑∑∑Videographer, could you please tell us again how

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∑1∑∑∑∑much time is remaining?

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑41 minutes at this time.

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Okay.∑Thank you.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑This is a 19-minute video.∑I will begin now.

∑5∑∑∑∑There is no sound.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(A video was played.)

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑The record should reflect the

∑8∑∑∑∑video is playing.

∑9∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, are you watching the video?

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑I am.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Elad, how much time is left?

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Jeff, can you hear me?∑Your

14∑∑∑∑microphone is not muted.

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Oh, excuse me.∑I'm sorry.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑How much more time is left?

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑4 minutes.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Video concluded.)

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑That is the end of the video.

20∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Did you watch the entirety of the video?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑I have.∑I watched the entire video.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Do you agree that Screener Plus and

24∑∑Filter Builder, based on what you observed in the video,

25∑∑have the same look and feel?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Not at all?∑No -- no similarity in look and

∑5∑∑feel whatsoever; is that your testimony?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I don't think so, no.

∑8∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑All right.∑You say you don't think so.

10∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yeah.∑Is your question on a personal capacity

11∑∑based on my perception of it?

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, I'm going to -- I'm going to ask you in

13∑∑both respects.∑Okay?∑I'm going to start with the

14∑∑personal question to you, Mr. Ben Alluch.

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Sure.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you, Mr. Ben Alluch, having watched the

17∑∑video, believe that -- that Filter Builder and Screener

18∑∑Plus have the same look and feel?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑I do not believe that they have the same look

20∑∑and feel.

21∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑Do you believe that they have

22∑∑similarities?

23∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe they both use industry standard

24∑∑terms very broadly.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That's not my question.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you believe that they have similarities,

∑2∑∑yes or no?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe they have -- they may have

∑4∑∑similarities.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes.∑What are those similarities?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑They both use industry standard terms very

∑7∑∑broadly.

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑How about in the presentation of selection

∑9∑∑parameters, do you believe that they're similar in that

10∑∑regard?

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I do not.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Again, this is him personally,

14∑∑∑∑correct, Jeff?

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Right now, yes.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Okay.

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you believe -- do you believe that they

19∑∑have similarities in the presentation of the selection

20∑∑parameters?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑Only to the extent that they both use very

22∑∑broad industry standard terms.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then in terms of the presentation of those

24∑∑selection parameters to a user, do you believe that

25∑∑there are similarities?

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I'll just reuse my previous

∑3∑∑∑∑answer.∑That's the extent to which I believe the

∑4∑∑∑∑similarities stop, is the very broad use of

∑5∑∑∑∑industry standard terms.

∑6∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑I mean, you saw that there were, I'll call

∑8∑∑them trees, you know, the top level, sublevel, each

∑9∑∑having their own components.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I mean, didn't you see identical top level and

11∑∑sublevel presentations that were identical in each -- in

12∑∑each of the two platforms?

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I saw terms that were used on both sides that

14∑∑both correspond to industry standard terms and

15∑∑categorizations for elements.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yeah, listen.∑On every menu for a restaurant

17∑∑the word menu appears.∑You know, that's an industry

18∑∑standard term for what a restaurant sells, menu.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑How about -- yeah.∑A lot of menus look

20∑∑different than a lot of other menus, right?

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So I understand that there are words, design

22∑∑words that identify design selection parameters that are

23∑∑present on Screener Plus and StocksToTrade and a bunch

24∑∑of other scanning platforms.∑But it's the way they're

25∑∑presented, the organization of them, the presentation.

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Would you agree that the presentation of what

∑2∑∑you're calling industry standard design parameters

∑3∑∑between StocksToTrade Screener -- Screener Plus and

∑4∑∑EquityFeed Filter Builder in some cases are identical?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Again, I believe they both use

∑7∑∑∑∑industry standard terms, and those terms would be

∑8∑∑∑∑identical within the context of industry standard

∑9∑∑∑∑terms.

10∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yeah.∑But, Mr. Ben Alluch, you got to answer

12∑∑the question.

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I am answering the question.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Simultaneous speakers.)

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You're ignoring the question.∑And, frankly,

17∑∑that's the impression you want to leave with a jury and

18∑∑a judge that's, I guess, your prerogative, because I

19∑∑can't -- I can't beat it out of you.∑Okay?

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Are you telling me -- in watching this video,

21∑∑are you telling me that you did not see on both

22∑∑platforms the same design parameters organized the same

23∑∑way, top level, sublevel?∑You didn't see that?

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑What I saw were two completely

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∑1∑∑∑∑different interfaces that use similar terms in

∑2∑∑∑∑similar fashions.∑And I believe they're not the

∑3∑∑∑∑same inherently in how everything is presented.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The words may be -- the words may be similar

∑5∑∑∑∑in the way they are used within industry standard,

∑6∑∑∑∑and there's a limited selection of those words

∑7∑∑∑∑because they all come from the data feed.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑It's some things that you have as industry

∑9∑∑∑∑standard skills that you keep on a database, and

10∑∑∑∑there's only a limited number of ways you can

11∑∑∑∑present those and categorize them to simplify a

12∑∑∑∑view.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So in those -- in those terms they are

14∑∑∑∑similar, in that, they use similar names or same

15∑∑∑∑names for some of the fields, which represent the

16∑∑∑∑same things within industry standard practices.

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Good.∑Tell me one other website that

19∑∑organizes as these two tools, Filter Builder and

20∑∑StocksToTrade, as we just saw.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

22∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Tell me the name of a single other web -- a

24∑∑single other market scanning tool that presents

25∑∑selection parameters in the same fashion that they are

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∑1∑∑presented on these two tools.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑He just said they're not the

∑3∑∑∑∑same and you're asking him for now a third.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑I'll rephrase it.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yeah.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Okay?

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You told me before that the manner in which

∑9∑∑you presented the selection parameters was unique.∑You

10∑∑said that.

11∑∑∑∑A∑∑And let me -- let me correct that a bit.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So the manner in which I --

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Why do you -- why do you want to correct it?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑I want to correct to provide additional

15∑∑context to that specific statement.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are you now changing your testimony?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑Absolutely not.∑But I do feel there is

18∑∑incomplete context for you to be aware of at this point

19∑∑in order to be able to properly answer your question.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I did a design.∑And now my design is not

21∑∑comprehensive.∑It covered the overall aspect of it. I

22∑∑did not go and do 75 different drop downs just to make

23∑∑sure that we had everything covered.∑That was the work

24∑∑of the developers.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, they may have used whichever publicly

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∑1∑∑available information or information they may have had

∑2∑∑access to, to create those lists independently of the

∑3∑∑design, which did not specifically indicate, to the best

∑4∑∑of my recollection, what was in there.∑Because I did

∑5∑∑not put every, single one.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑On a personal level, I designed the overall

∑7∑∑view.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now, my -- my understanding is that EquityFeed

∑9∑∑has a number of videos, and subscribers can actually

10∑∑readily subscribe with a credit card to their service

11∑∑and have access to all of these in what I would call a

12∑∑public manner.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑So whatever inspiration the development team

14∑∑may have had at that point in time, that I am not able

15∑∑to speak to because that is basically to the discretion

16∑∑of what the developer has had.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Did Scopic use EquityFeed to design the

18∑∑Scanner Plus drop-down menus, yes or no?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑I don't believe that's the case.∑There was

20∑∑never any communication regarding that specific aspect.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I said that the developers to their discretion

22∑∑put in place the industry standard elements that were

23∑∑available through the internal database as fields in the

24∑∑way they chose to do it.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Now --

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That isn't what you said.

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑It is.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑No, sir.∑What you said -- what you said is --

∑4∑∑is that the developers -- what I heard you say is that

∑5∑∑the developers may have looked at -- may have looked --

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑At a number of solutions.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Let him finish the question.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑My apologies.∑Yes.∑Sorry.

∑9∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

10∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Tell me what you recall saying regarding what

11∑∑the developers may have looked at to design the

12∑∑drop-down menus that you did not design.

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑I said that the developers may have looked at

14∑∑the number of solutions to determine how to grab the

15∑∑industry standard criteria that were available through

16∑∑the database.

17∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And when you're talking about solutions, what

18∑∑are you talking about?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Any publicly available software, anything they

20∑∑would get their hands on.∑And that was not specifically

21∑∑directed.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑It is a developer specific initiative to

23∑∑decide how those were put in place.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Does that include looking at EquityFeed's

25∑∑Filter Builder feature?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑It includes --

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.∑Lacks

∑3∑∑∑∑foundation.

∑4∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Calls for speculation.

∑7∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑8∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Go ahead.

∑9∑∑∑∑A∑∑It includes looking at any publicly available

10∑∑information, including YouTube, you know, if there are

11∑∑subscriptions to be had, and if they had a subscription

12∑∑to that.∑They may have looked at that.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And I cannot speak to what Scopic may or may

14∑∑have not looked at to build that specific list in order

15∑∑to get to that point.

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Well, then who -- who built the drop-down

17∑∑menus in Scanner Plus -- or Screener Plus -- Screener

18∑∑Plus?

19∑∑∑∑A∑∑Screener Plus.

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Who built those?

21∑∑∑∑A∑∑That would be Scopic.

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And what did Scopic use to design those

23∑∑drop-down menus?

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I already answered.∑I already

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∑1∑∑∑∑answered that question.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑That was to the discretion of the individual

∑3∑∑∑∑developer that may have worked on that specific

∑4∑∑∑∑thing, and they may have done their own research

∑5∑∑∑∑independently as part of their development process,

∑6∑∑∑∑and looked at any number of publicly available

∑7∑∑∑∑information, including maybe EquityFeed, through

∑8∑∑∑∑either videos, or if they had a subscription, which

∑9∑∑∑∑I am not aware of that as well.∑That, I cannot

10∑∑∑∑speak to.

11∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

12∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Thank you.

13∑∑∑∑A∑∑It --

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Did you finish your answer?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑I believe I have.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑If I may interject real quick.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Madame Court Reporter, how much time do we

18∑∑∑∑have left now?∑Excuse me.∑Videographer.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Let's see.∑We have roughly 10

20∑∑∑∑minutes.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. BOTWIN:∑Thank you.

22∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Have I gotten your best answers to the

24∑∑questions that I propounded today?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑You've got my truthful and honest answers on

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∑1∑∑what I believe to be true, and as a corporate

∑2∑∑representative, the ones I know to be true are in regard

∑3∑∑to StocksToTrade.com, Inc.

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are there any answers that you gave today that

∑5∑∑you wish to change now?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑There are not.

∑7∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Do you know of any reason why in reviewing

∑8∑∑this transcript that you would have to change any

∑9∑∑testimony you gave today?

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑He hasn't even seen

11∑∑∑∑the transcript.∑We don't know if there are any

12∑∑∑∑errors in the transcript.

13∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Apart from -- what I'm talking about is change

15∑∑the substance of your testimony.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Do you know of any reason why after you leave

17∑∑today you would find a need to change your testimony in

18∑∑the errata sheet that you will have the opportunity to

19∑∑fill out in relation to this deposition?

20∑∑∑∑A∑∑In regards to my corporate or my position as a

21∑∑corporate representative for StocksToTrade, I do not

22∑∑have anything to change or recant at any point in time.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑In regards to my personal contribution

24∑∑individually, I may choose to correct if I find untruths

25∑∑to not be the case, which for the most part I am sure

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∑1∑∑I've mentioned in ways that whatever I'm not sure of, I

∑2∑∑made sure it's clear that I am not sure of, and that may

∑3∑∑or may not have happened that needs to be checked

∑4∑∑against my recollection or other sources.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, we're almost done.∑I've got

∑6∑∑another question or two.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Isn't it true, Mr. Ben Alluch, that in

∑8∑∑designing the interface for Screener Plus, you looked at

∑9∑∑and considered the components of Filter Builder?∑Isn't

10∑∑that true?

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I don't think that's the case.

13∑∑∑∑I don't agree with that.

14∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Isn't it true, sir, that as you sit here

16∑∑today, you know that you discussed Filter Builder with

17∑∑Scopic, whether in writing or in person, in furthering

18∑∑the design of Screener Plus?∑Isn't that true?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.∑Asked and

20∑∑∑∑answered.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑As I mentioned numerous times

22∑∑∑∑today, in essence, I do not recall every, single

23∑∑∑∑conversation.∑And the subject may have come up on

24∑∑∑∑occasions, and that would need to be checked

25∑∑∑∑across, you know, the communications that we -- we

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∑1∑∑∑∑are ready to produce, you know, through our legal

∑2∑∑∑∑Counsel.

∑3∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑4∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Isn't it true that Scopic was given access to

∑5∑∑EquityFeed as part of its design process?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I don't believe that's the case,

∑8∑∑∑∑that Scopic, within the context of StocksToTrade as

∑9∑∑∑∑a corporate representative, to the best of my

10∑∑∑∑knowledge, within the communications that were had

11∑∑∑∑that were accessible to me, that Scopic was given

12∑∑∑∑access to EquityFeed, and that essentially, if any

13∑∑∑∑access, either it was done independently or

14∑∑∑∑information collection was done through public

15∑∑∑∑means, such as, you know, YouTube, documentation or

16∑∑∑∑other --

17∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, you gave me a long answer to a

19∑∑short question.∑Okay?

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Did -- do you have knowledge from any source

21∑∑as to whether Scopic looked at EquityFeed, specifically

22∑∑Filter Builder, when designing the interface for

23∑∑Screener Plus, yes or no?

24∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And do you believe that Scopic looked at

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∑1∑∑EquityFeed for any --

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑I can't --

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- reason in designing the StocksToTrade

∑4∑∑platform?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I can't speak unto what Scopic

∑7∑∑∑∑has or hasn't done outside of the scope of what was

∑8∑∑∑∑recorded within the conversations we had or the

∑9∑∑∑∑Jira environment where we discussed those features.

10∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Would it surprise you if Scopic looked at

12∑∑EquityFeed to design StocksToTrade platform and

13∑∑specifically Screener Plus?

14∑∑∑∑A∑∑That is subjective, but I'll answer on a

15∑∑personal capacity, that they may choose to do the

16∑∑research as they please.∑And we did not put any

17∑∑restrictions on how they approach that, provided they --

18∑∑there is no reverse engineering or anything of the sort

19∑∑involved in the process of researching, as long as we

20∑∑are able to collect information on what we're

21∑∑researching to make sure that we are able to create the

22∑∑products that meets the requirements that we're trying

23∑∑to achieve.

24∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What we do know, though, is that you sent

25∑∑screen shots of EquityFeed to Scopic, so we know that

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∑1∑∑Scopic had access to those screen shots, right?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes, they had access to the screen shots that

∑3∑∑I collected through my personal subscription to

∑4∑∑EquityFeed or -- yes, Scanz.

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑All right.∑I need a minute to

∑6∑∑∑∑consult with my team, but I think we're done.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Okay.∑Go off record.

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Off the record, 11:16 p.m. UTC.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Recess.)

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Back on the record, 11:19 p.m.

11∑∑∑∑UTC time.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are we getting in the production documents

14∑∑from Slack and Skype?

15∑∑∑∑A∑∑Is that a question for me or?

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Yes.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Is that a question?

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑Yes.

19∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are we -- do you know if documents are being

21∑∑produced from Slack?∑Are you producing to us documents

22∑∑from Slack?

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Yes.

24∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

25∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Are you producing to us documents from Skype?

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑You can answer that.

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑There are no records from Skype.

∑3∑∑∑∑Those do not get stored on the server, so we're not

∑4∑∑∑∑able to recover them.

∑5∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑6∑∑∑∑Q∑∑So you're -- you lost the Skype records,

∑7∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch?

∑8∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑No.∑Objection.∑Form.

∑9∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I did not lose them.∑It's just

10∑∑∑∑Skype does not store records for longer than a

11∑∑∑∑month.∑And in five years I've changed computers a

12∑∑∑∑number of times, so the records that were for Skype

13∑∑∑∑have gone with those machines.

14∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

15∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What efforts did you make to preserve the

16∑∑records that existed on Skype?

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑None, given that, you know, the

19∑∑∑∑records were gone much before the entire litigation

20∑∑∑∑started.∑These were --

21∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

22∑∑∑∑Q∑∑When did you first become aware, sir, that

23∑∑EquityFeed believed that StocksToTrade and/or Jewmon had

24∑∑violated its legal rights?∑When did you first become

25∑∑aware of that?

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∑1∑∑∑∑A∑∑I never became aware of that because, you

∑2∑∑know, we never believed we, like, StocksToTrade stole

∑3∑∑anything.∑We created everything from scratch.∑We paid

∑4∑∑nearly, you know, $2.4 million to get the platform to

∑5∑∑where we're at right now.∑And everything has been done

∑6∑∑from scratch in a completely different language and in a

∑7∑∑completely different manner than whatever EquityFeed has

∑8∑∑done.

∑9∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Mr. Ben Alluch, what I asked you is, when did

10∑∑you first become aware that EquityFeed was claiming or

11∑∑Scanz was claiming that the StocksToTrade platform

12∑∑violated its, that is, EquityFeed's, legal rights?∑When

13∑∑did you first become aware --

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

15∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

16∑∑∑∑Q∑∑-- of that?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑On a personal --

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑He's testifying in his personal

19∑∑∑∑capacity here.∑This is way outside scope.

20∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Go ahead.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑On my personal capacity, if I

22∑∑∑∑recall correctly, the day we launched StocksToTrade

23∑∑∑∑publicly there was a tweet from the EquityFeed

24∑∑∑∑Twitter account that indicated that we had --

25∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑That was February of 2016, correct?

∑2∑∑∑∑A∑∑Correct.

∑3∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You believe that you knew in February 2016 of

∑4∑∑possible litigation between EquityFeed and

∑5∑∑StocksToTrade, correct?

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑7∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑On a personal capacity, I did

∑8∑∑∑∑not believe that, because all those claims were

∑9∑∑∑∑empty to begin with, and there was no exchange of

10∑∑∑∑confidential information or any information

11∑∑∑∑whatsoever between StocksToTrade.com, Inc. and

12∑∑∑∑EquityFeed.

13∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

14∑∑∑∑Q∑∑You were an employee of StocksToTrade as of

15∑∑what month and date?

16∑∑∑∑A∑∑February 2016.∑I don't recall the specific

17∑∑day.

18∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And when you learned -- when you

19∑∑learned that EquityFeed was alleging a violation of its

20∑∑legal rights, you were already an employee of

21∑∑StocksToTrade, correct?

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.

23∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑Yes.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Misstates prior testimony.

25∑∑∑∑Calls for a legal conclusion.

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And, Mr. Ben Alluch, you made no efforts in

∑3∑∑February 2016 or any time thereafter to preserve your

∑4∑∑Skype conversations, correct?

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I couldn't preserve them, given

∑7∑∑∑∑that there was no active litigation and no request

∑8∑∑∑∑for me to do so in a personal capacity, given that

∑9∑∑∑∑that Skype account is my personal Skype account.

10∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

11∑∑∑∑Q∑∑What -- what records existed on that Skype

12∑∑account pertaining to your interaction with Scopic?

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

14∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑So within -- within the scope of

15∑∑∑∑what we talked about, initial discussions of

16∑∑∑∑understanding what the platform was doing and

17∑∑∑∑general communication about development of features

18∑∑∑∑and tools.

19∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

20∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑And now those -- all those

21∑∑communications are lost, right?

22∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

23∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And then with your -- did you preserve your

24∑∑personal email?

25∑∑∑∑A∑∑Yes.

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∑1∑∑∑∑Q∑∑And we're getting records from your personal

∑2∑∑email?

∑3∑∑∑∑A∑∑That was provided to our legal Counsel for --

∑4∑∑for production.

∑5∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑All right.∑And final question.

∑6∑∑∑∑∑∑∑You mentioned that you gave the first level

∑7∑∑design to Scopic for the Screener Plus interface.

∑8∑∑How -- how, from whatever it was that you gave Scopic,

∑9∑∑did they then develop the code to create that interface?

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

11∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑I didn't get the question there.

12∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

13∑∑∑∑Q∑∑How was it -- from whatever it was that you

14∑∑gave to Scopic regarding the design of the Screener Plus

15∑∑interface, how did -- how did that design evolve into

16∑∑the interface?

17∑∑∑∑A∑∑I grabbed the --

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. COLWELL:∑Objection.∑Form.

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑So to answer that, essentially

20∑∑∑∑we grabbed the design in a graphical manner, put it

21∑∑∑∑into a Jira ticket, and then they got to do what

22∑∑∑∑they do as developers, which is coding in C++ and

23∑∑∑∑meeting the requirements within the look, general

24∑∑∑∑look and feel of the interface by filling the gaps

25∑∑∑∑that are not described in the design.

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∑1∑∑BY MR. FELDMAN:

∑2∑∑∑∑Q∑∑Okay.∑All right.∑I think that concludes the

∑3∑∑deposition.

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Again, any question you -- any answer you want

∑5∑∑to change at this point?

∑6∑∑∑∑A∑∑No.∑Everything was shared in the best of my

∑7∑∑capacity and knowledge for both myself on my personal

∑8∑∑capacity and StocksToTrade as a corporate

∑9∑∑representative.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑All right.∑Thank you, everyone.

11∑∑∑∑Appreciate everyone's patience.

12∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Gabe, good seeing you.

13∑∑∑∑∑∑∑And to, Jenna, thank you for being on board

14∑∑∑∑here and not saying anything during the entire

15∑∑∑∑deposition.

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MS. JONES:∑Sure.∑Happy to help.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑MR. FELDMAN:∑That takes discipline.

18∑∑∑∑Appreciate it.∑All right?

19∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Nice seeing you all.∑Everybody have a nice

20∑∑∑∑night.

21∑∑∑∑∑∑∑THE WITNESS:∑You, too.∑Take care.

22∑∑∑∑∑∑∑VIDEOGRAPHER:∑Off the video record,

23∑∑∑∑11:26 p.m. UTC time.

24∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Witness excused.)

25∑∑∑∑∑∑∑(Deposition was concluded.)

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑CERTIFICATE OF OATH

∑2∑∑STATE OF FLORIDA

∑3∑∑COUNTY OF PALM BEACH

∑4

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I hereby certify that on this 27th day of May,

∑6∑∑2021, JAMIL BEN ALLUCH appeared before me and was sworn

∑7∑∑by me for the purpose of giving testimony in the matter

∑8∑∑of Scanz Technologies, Inc. vs. Jewmon Enterprises, LLC,

∑9∑∑et al., Case Number 20-cv-22957-RNS.∑He produced a

10∑∑driver's license as identification.

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∑∑∑∑∑∑∑____________________________________

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∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Sandra W. Townsend, RPR, FPR

14∑∑∑∑∑∑Notary Public - State of Florida

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑My Commission Expires:∑6/26/24

15∑∑∑∑∑∑My Commission No.:∑HH 005910

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑C E R T I F I C A T E

∑2∑∑STATE OF FLORIDA

∑3∑∑COUNTY OF PALM BEACH

∑4

∑5∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I, Sandra W. Townsend, Registered

∑∑∑Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for

∑6∑∑the State of Florida at Large, do hereby certify

∑∑∑that the aforementioned witness was by me first duly

∑7∑∑sworn to testify the whole truth; that I was

∑∑∑authorized to and did report said deposition in

∑8∑∑stenotype; and that the foregoing pages, are a true

∑∑∑and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of

∑9∑∑said deposition.

10∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I further certify that said deposition was

∑∑∑taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth

11∑∑and that the taking of said deposition was commenced

∑∑∑and completed as hereinabove set out.

12

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑I further certify that I am not attorney or

13∑∑counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or

∑∑∑employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected

14∑∑with the action, nor am I financially interested in the

∑∑∑action.

15

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑The foregoing certification of this transcript

16∑∑does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any

∑∑∑means unless under the direct control and/or∑direction

17∑∑of the certifying reporter.

18

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Dated this 3rd day of June, 2021.

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∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑_____________________________________

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∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Sandra W. Townsend, RPR, FPR

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∑1∑∑DATE:∑∑∑June 3, 2021

∑2∑∑TO:∑∑∑∑JAMIL BEN ALLUCH,∑∑∑Job #2436131

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑c/o Gabriel Colwell, Esquire

∑3∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Squire Patton Boggs

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑555 Flower Street, 31st Floor

∑4∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Los Angeles, California∑90071

∑5∑∑IN RE:∑∑∑Scanz Techologies, Inc. vs. Jewmon

∑∑∑Enterprises, LLC, et al.

∑6

∑∑∑CASE NO.:∑20-cv-22957-RNS

∑7

∑∑∑∑∑Please take notice that on Thursday, the 27th

∑8∑∑of May, 2021, you gave your deposition in the

∑∑∑above-referred matter.∑At that time, you did not

∑9∑∑waive signature.∑It is now necessary that you sign

∑∑∑your deposition.

10∑∑∑∑If you do not read and sign the deposition

∑∑∑within a reasonable time, the original, which has

11∑∑already been forwarded to the ordering attorney, may

∑∑∑be filed with the Clerk of the Court.∑If you wish

12∑∑to waive your signature, sign your name in the blank

∑∑∑at the bottom of this letter and return it to us.

13

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Very truly yours,

14

15∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑__________________________________

16∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Sandra W. Townsend, RPR, FPR

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑U.S. LEGAL SUPPORT, INC.

17∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑444 W. Railroad Avenue, Suite 300

∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑West Palm Beach, Florida∑33401

18∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑Phone:∑561.835.0220

19∑∑I do hereby waive my signature.

20∑∑______________________________

21∑∑JAMIL BEN ALLUCH,

22∑∑Cc:∑Via transcript:∑All Counsel of Record; File

∑∑∑copy

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑C E R T I F I C A T E

∑2∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑-∑- -

∑3∑∑THE STATE OF FLORIDA

∑4∑∑COUNTY OF PALM BEACH

∑5∑∑∑∑I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing

∑6∑∑deposition by me given, and that the statements

∑7∑∑contained herein are true and correct to the best of

∑8∑∑my knowledge and belief, with the exception of any

∑9∑∑corrections or notations made on the errata sheet,

10∑∑if one was executed.

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12∑∑∑∑Dated this ____ day of __________________,

13∑∑2021.

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18∑∑________________________________________

19∑∑JAMIL BEN ALLUCH,

20∑∑Job #2436131

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∑1∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑E R R A T A∑∑S H E E T

∑2∑∑IN RE: SCANZ TECHOLOGIES, INC. VS. JEWMON ENTERPRISES,

∑3∑∑LLC, ET AL.∑CR: SANDRA TOWNSEND

∑4∑∑DEPOSITION OF: JAMIL BEN ALLUCH

∑5∑∑TAKEN: 5/27/21∑∑JOB NO.: 2436131

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∑7∑∑∑DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERE

∑8∑∑PAGE #∑LINE #∑∑CHANGE∑∑∑∑∑∑∑∑REASON

∑∑∑____________________________________________________

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∑∑∑____________________________________________________

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∑∑∑____________________________________________________

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18∑∑Please forward the original signed errata sheet to

∑∑∑this∑office so that copies may be distributed to

19∑∑all parties.

20∑∑Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I have read

∑∑∑my deposition and that it is true and correct

21∑∑subject to any changes in form or substance entered

∑∑∑here.

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23∑∑DATE: ________________________

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25∑∑SIGNATURE OF

∑∑∑DEPONENT:_________________________________

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Exhibits

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analysis

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analytic

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analytics

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audio

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authorized

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available

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background

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bandwidth

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blend

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blends

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board

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body

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bottom

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BOTWIN

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broke

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Brokers

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brought

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builds

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card

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career

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cases

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cash

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categories

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n

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ns

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category

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cater

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chronology

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claiming

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claims

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clarified

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clarify

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clarity

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clean

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clear

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clearly

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closes

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coded

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coding

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coincidence

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collapsed

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colleagues

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collect

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columns

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combine

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combined

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come

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comes

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comfortable

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commenced

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commencement

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comments

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continuing

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contract

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creation

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creative

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definition

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drill

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drive

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entries

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environment

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equal

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equally

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labeled

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loans

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method

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middle

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midst

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million

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minutes

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mockups

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model

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monthly

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months

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mouth

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multimedia

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multiple

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name

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names

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narrative

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narrow

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necessarily

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need

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setting

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