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A REVIEW OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND

THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON

GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS

UNITED STATES SENATE

ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

JUNE 26 and 27, 2002

Printed for the use of the Committee on Governmental Affairs

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COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS

JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut, Chairman

CARL LEVIN, Michigan

DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii

RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois

ROBERT G. TORRICELLI, New Jersey

MAX CLELAND, Georgia

THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware

JEAN CARNAHAN, Missouri

MARK DAYTON, Minnesota

FRED THOMPSON, Tennessee

TED STEVENS, Alaska

SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine

GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio

THAD COCHRAN, Mississippi

ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah

JIM BUNNING, Kentucky

PETER G. FITZGERALD, Illinois

JOYCE A. RECHTSCHAFFEN, Staff Director and Counsel

SUSAN E. POPPER, Counsel

MICHAEL L. ALEXANDER, Professional Staff Member

RICHARD A. HERTLING, Minority Staff Director

WILLIAM M. OUTHIER, Minority Chief Counsel

JAYSON P. ROEHL, Minority Professional Staff Member

DARLA D. CASSELL, Chief Clerk

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C O N T E N T S

Opening statement: Page

Senator Lieberman ........................................................................................... 1, 61

Senator Thompson ............................................................................................ 3, 63

Senator Akaka .................................................................................................. 5, 65

Senator Collins ................................................................................................. 6, 81

Senator Cleland ................................................................................................ 7, 97

Senator Voinovich ............................................................................................. 7, 85

Senator Dayton.............................................................................................. 38, 88

Senator Durbin ................................................................................................. 41

Senator Carper ................................................................................................. 46

Senator Carnahan ............................................................................................ 65

WITNESSES

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 26, 2002

Hon. Ashton B. Carter, Co-Director, Preventive Defense Project, John F.

Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University and Assistant Secretary of Defense (1993–1996), International Security Policy .......................... 9

Lt. Gen. Patrick M. Hughes, U.S. Army (Ret.), former Director (1996–1999),

Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), U.S. Department of Defense .................... 13

Jeffrey H. Smith, former General Counsel (1995–1996), Central Intelligence

Agency (CIA) ......................................................................................................... 16

Lt. Gen. William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.), former Director (1985–1988),

National Security Agency (NSA) ......................................................................... 19

William B. Berger, Chief of Police, North Miami Beach, Florida and President, International Association of Chiefs of Police ............................................ 23

THURSDAY, JUNE 27, 2002

Hon. George J. Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, Central Intelligence

Agency (CIA) ......................................................................................................... 67

Hon. Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) ... 70

Hon. William H. Webster, former Director of Central Intelligence (1987–

1991) and former Director (1978–1987), Federal Bureau of Investigation ..... 93

Hon. Bob Graham, a U.S. Senator from the State of Florida and Chairman,

Select Committee on Intelligence, U.S. Senate ................................................. 106

Hon. Richard C. Shelby, a U.S. Senator from the State of Alabama and

Vice Chairman, Select Committee on Intelligence, U.S. Senate ...................... 109

ALPHABETICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

Berger, Chief William B.:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 23

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 166

Carter, Hon. Ashton B.:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 9

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 125

Graham, Hon. Bob:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 106

Prepared statement with an attachment ....................................................... 191

Hughes, Lt. Gen. Patrick M.:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 13

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 135

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Mueller, Hon. Robert S., III:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 70

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 184

Odom, Lt. Gen. William E.:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 19

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 156

Shelby, Hon. Richard C.:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 109

Prepared statement with an attachment ....................................................... 209

Smith, Jeffrey H.:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 16

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 140

Tenet, Hon. George J.:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 67

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 175

Webster, Hon. William H.:

Testimony .......................................................................................................... 93

ADDITIONAL MATERIAL SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD

JUNE 26, 2002

American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), prepared statement ............................ 221

Richard J. Davis, prepared statement ................................................................... 232

Questions for the Record and responses from:

Hon. Ashton B. Carter ..................................................................................... 241

Lt. Gen. Patrick M. Hughes with an attachment .......................................... 242

Jeffrey H. Smith ............................................................................................... 256

Lt. Gen. William E. Odom ............................................................................... 259

Chief William B. Berger ................................................................................... 266

JUNE 27, 2002

FBI letter regarding search capabilities of the FBI’s Automated Case Support

(ACS) System ........................................................................................................ 267

Questions for the Record and responses from:

Hon. William H. Webster ................................................................................. 270

Hon. George J. Tenet ....................................................................................... 273

Hon. Richard C. Shelby .................................................................................... 278

Hon. Robert S. Mueller, III .............................................................................. 282

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[Errata]

The enclosed responses to questions for the record submitted by

the Honorable Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, Federal Bureau of

Investigation, were not included in the original transcript of this

hearing. This designation will print as pages 282–293.

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