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4 F o r M a jor Sou r ces : Ind u str i al, Com m erc i al, and

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6 P oll u tan t s f o r A r ea So urce s : I ndu s tri a l, C omm e rci a l,

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2 E P A O f fic e Ai r Qu a lit y Plan n ing and Sta n dar d s:

3 R o ber t Wa y lan d , S e cto r Poli c ies & P r ogr a ms D ivi s ion

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5 E P A O f fic e of Res o urc e Cons e rva t ion & R e cov e ry:

6 M a rc T hom a s, P rog r am Im plem e nta t ion and Inf o rma t ion

7 D i vis i on

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9 E P A R e gio n 6, Phi l ade lp hia:

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1 2 P U BLI C PR E SEN T :

1 3 R a viy a Is m ail

, Ea r thj us tice

1 4 S t an W ebb

, We y erh a eus er , mi l l M a nag e r

1 5 G r ay S kip p er, Sco t ch Pl ywoo d Co m pany

1 6 A n dy M ang a n, E xec u tiv e Dire c tor of t he U nit e d S t ates

1 7 B u sin e ss C oun c il f or Su stai n abl e De v elo p ment

1 8 S h ari Kel l er, Ame r ica n Petr o leu m In s tit u te a nd t he

1 9 N a tio n al P etr o che m ica l and R efi n ers Ass o cia t ion

2 0 M a tth e w T e jad a , A i r A ll ianc e Ho u ston

2 1 R i car d o D e LaC r uz, Pul p & Pa p er R eso u rce Cou n cil

2 2 T o m R o ckw o od, Coa s tal F ores t Re s our c e C o mpa n y

2 3 Z a c T r aha n , T e xas Cam pa ign f or t he E nvi r onm e nt

2 4 V i rgi n ia F ugm a n, T exa s Camp a ign for the Env i ron m ent

2 5 D i ann e Ag u irr e , T e xas C ampa i gn f or t he E nvi r onm e nt3

1 G e org e Ch r ist i an, Ame ri can F ore s try & P a per Ass o cia t ion

2 E d die Bur c h, G eor g ia- Pa cific

3 J i m S i mon

, Am e ric a n S ug ar C a n L e ague

4 E d war d Ha r rin g ton

, SH &E Int e rna t ion a l S h are d Su p port

5 M a rti n Ro l lin s , H

. M. Ro llin s Co m pan y , I n c.

6 D o n G r imm

, Ho d In d ust ri es, I nc.

7 J a n P r usi n ski

, Ce m ent C ounc i l o f Te x as

8 S c ott O'H a ra, Tex a s C am paig n fo r th e En v iro n ment

9 B e n J o hns o n, M ead W est va co, e mpl o yee

1 0 P h ill i p H u ffe l dt, Tex as Cam p aig n fo r th e En v iro n ment

1 1 L a ura Gib s on, Tex a s C am paig n fo r th e En v iro n ment

1 2 P h ill i p H u ffe l dt, Tex as Cam p aig n fo r th e En v iro n ment

1 3 L a ura Gib s on, Tex a s C am paig n fo r th e En v iro n ment

1 4 D r ew C ove r t, T exa s Ca mp aign for the Env i ron m ent

1 5 V a nce Nob e , A k ari Ene rg y

1 6 C h ris Kev l in, Tex a s C am paig n fo r th e En v iro n ment

1 7 S c ott Moo r hea d , I n ter na tion a l P a per

1 8 D a vid Cot h ren

, Pu l p & P aper w ork e rs' Res o urc e Co u nci l

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1 9 I n ter n ati o nal Pap e r C om pany

2 0 S c arl e tt R uss e ll, Tex as Cam p aig n fo r th e En v iro n ment

2 1 B r idg e tte Yaw n , T e xas C ampa i gn f or t he E nvi r onm e nt

2 2 S h ann o n S i mki n s, T exa s Camp a ign for the Env i ron m ent

2 3 L y la L agn e r, T exa s Ca mp aign for the Env i ron m ent

2 4 L a ura Hut c hin s on, Tex as Cam p aig n fo r th e En v iro n ment

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4 R a ndy Sch i efe r , N o rbo rd

5 C y nth i a R e dwi n e, A mer ic an L u ng A sso c iat i on o f t h e

6 C e ntr a l S t ates

7 M a tth e w C a ves

, Ok l aho ma Dep a rtm e nt o f E n vir o nme n tal

8 Q u ali t y

9 D a vid Bon i sta l l, N ewP ag e Co r por a tion

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1 1 J a mes Kle i n, C orp u s C hr isti Cle a n E c ono m y C o ali t ion

1 2 J a son Fre d eri c k, A mer ic an C h emi s try Cou n cil

1 3 H i lto n Ke l ly, Com m uni ty Emp o wer i ng D eve l opi n g

1 4 A s soc i ati o n

1 5 R o sal i a G u err e ro, Com mu nity cit i zen

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. WA YL AND: Go o d m o rni n g, a nd t han k you

3 f o r a t ten d ing tod a y's p ubli c he a rin g on the

4 E n vir o nme n tal Pro t ect io n Ag e ncy ' s p r opo s ed r ule s for

5 i n dus t ria l , c o mme r cia l and i nst i tut i ona l bo i ler s and

6 p r oce s s h e ate r s, c omm er cial and ind u str i al s oli d wa s te

7 i n cin e rat o rs, and the i dent i fic a tio n of non

- haz a rdo u s

8 s e con d ary mat e ria l s t ha t ar e al s o s o lid was t e. We

9 a p pre c iat e yo u ta k ing t ime o ut o f y o ur b usy sch e dul e s to

1 0 a d dre s s t h ese pro p osa ls , an d we loo k fo r war d to hea r ing

1 1 y o ur c omm e nts thr o ugh ou t th e da y

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1 2 My nam e is B o b W a yla n d; I am the gro u p

1 3 l e ade r of the Ene r gy St rate g ies gro u p i n th e Se c tor

1 4 P o lic i es a nd P rog r ams D ivis i on o f t h e O f fic e of Air

1 5 Q u ali t y P l ann i ng a nd St anda r ds, whi c h i s pa r t o f EP A 's

1 6 O f fic e of Air and Rad ia tion

. I wil l be cha i rin g to d ay's

1 7 h e ari n g.

1 8 Jo i nin g me t o day on t he p ane l ar e : M arc

1 9 T h oma s , w h o i s in the P rogr a m I m ple m ent a tio n and

2 0 I n for m ati o n D i vis i on of EPA ' s O f fic e of Res o urce

2 1 C o nse r vat i on a nd R eco ve ry; a nd K en B oyc e , w h o i s fr o m

2 2 t h e E P A R e gio n 6 o ffi ce . T h ank you guy s fo r jo i nin g us

2 3 t o day.

2 4 MR

. BO YC E: Y ou' r e w e lco m e.

2 5 MR

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1 t o yo u r c o mme n ts o n t he fou r pr o pos e d r u les tha t EPA

2 a n nou n ced on A pri l 30 th of t his yea r

. T he p rop o sed

3 r u les wer e al s o p u bli sh ed i n th e Fe d era l Re g ist e r on

4 J u ne 4 th, 201 0

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5 Be f ore w e be g in t his hea r ing

, I w oul d li k e

6 t o pr o vid e yo u so m e b ac kgro u nd a nd b rie f ly d esc r ibe the

7 f o ur p rop o sal s we are h ere t o t a ke c omm e nt o n t o day.

8 T o get h er, the s e p r opo se d ru l es w ill sig n ifi c ant l y c u t

9 e m iss i ons of p oll u tan ts suc h as mer c ury and lea d , a l ong

1 0 w i th a nu m ber of o the r poll u tan t s f r om n ear l y 2 0 0,0 0 0

1 1 u n its acr o ss t he U nit ed Sta t es.

1 2 Bo i ler s and s oli d wa s te i nci n era t ors are

1 3 s u bje c t t o di f fer e nt se ctio n s o f th e Cl e an A ir A ct;

1 4 S e cti o n 1 1 2, f or b oil er s, a n d S e cti o n 1 2 9, f or

1 5 i n cin e rat o rs. EP A ha s prev i ous l y i s sue d ru l es

1 6 a d dre s sin g th e se u nit s. Th e se r ule s we r e c h all e nge d in

1 7 c o urt.

1 8 As a r es ult, EPA had to r eis s ue t he r ules

1 9 f o r b o ile r s. The Age nc y al s o m u st d ete r min e wh i ch

2 0 n o n-h a zar d ous sec o nda ry mat e ria l s a r e -

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2 1 c o nsi d ere d so l id w ast es whe n th e y a r e b u rne d

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2 2 P r evi o usl y , t h e E P A h as lef t th i s d e cis i on t o i n div i dual

2 3 s t ate s wh i ch i mpl e men t non- h aza r dou s so l id w aste

2 4 p r ogr a ms u nde r th e Re so urce Con s erv a tio n an d Re c ove r y

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1 On Apr il 29 o f t h is y ear

, th e EPA

2 a d min i str a tor sig n ed fo ur p r opo s ed r ule s un d er t he C lean

3 A i r A c t, a nd o ne r ule u nder RCR A

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4 Th e fi rs t pr o pos e d r u le i s t h e N a tio n al

5 E m iss i on S tan d ard s fo r Haza r dou s Ai r Po l lut a nts for

6 I n dus t ria l , C o mme r cia l, and Ins t itu t ion a l B o ile r s a n d

7 P r oce s s H e ate r s t h at ar e lo c ate d at maj o r s o urc e s of

8 h a zar d ous air pol l uta nt s. T his pro p ose d ru l e is

9 c o mmo n ly k now n as the B oile r MA C T.

1 0 Fo r th es e so u rce s , E P A i s pr o pos i ng

1 1 e m iss i ons sta n dar d s f or new and exi s tin g la r ge b oil e rs

1 2 b a sed on t he m axi m um ac hiev a ble con t rol tec h nol o gy

- - or

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- MA C T. EPA a ntic i pat e s t h at c oal

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1 4 b i oma s s-f i red boi l ers t hat c urr e ntl y do not have

1 5 e m iss i ons con t rol s wi ll nee d to ins t all con t rol s in

1 6 o r der to m eet the s e p ro pose d st a nda r ds. Fo r ga s -po w ered

1 7 b o ile r s, w hic h ha v e l ow er a i r t o xic s em i ssi o ns, EPA is

1 8 p r opo s ing to r equ i re th ese s our c es t o c o ndu c t a n an n ual

1 9 t u ne- u p; a nd f or a ll ex isti n g s o urc e s t o re q uir e an

2 0 o n -si t e e n erg y au d it to ide n tif y co s t-e f fec t ive mea n s of

2 1 r e duc i ng f uel use.

2 2 Th e se co nd p r opo s ed r ule is t he N ati o nal

2 3 E m iss i ons Sta n dar d s f or Haz a rdo u s A i r P o llu t ants

2 4 I n dus t ria l , C o mme r cia l, and Ins t itu t ion a l B o ile r s t h at

2 5 a r e s m all e r, o r " a rea " sour c es o f h a zar d ous air1 0

1 p o llu t ant s

. F or t hes e boil e rs, EPA ' s p r opo s ed s tan d ards

2 w o uld req u ire sou r ces t o re d uce emi s sio n s by

3 i m ple m ent i ng m eas u res t hat w ill opt i miz e an d re d uce fuel

4 u s e. EPA als o is pro po sing to r equ i re c ert a in

5 c o al- f ire d un i ts t o i ns tall emi s sio n s c o ntr o ls t o

6 c a ptu r e m e rcu r y a n d o th er h a zar d ous met a ls. EP A is not

7 p r opo s ing emi s sio n s s ta ndar d s f o r g a s-f i red boi l ers as

8 p a rt o f t h e a r ea s our ce rul e

. T his mea n s t h at p rop o sed

9 r u les wou l d n o t a p ply t o ga s -fi r ed b oil e rs l oca t ed a t

1 0 s m all bus i nes s es, loc al gov e rnm e nts

, sc h ool s , a n d

1 1 r e lig i ous ins t itu t ion s.

1 2 Th e th ir d pr o pos e d r u le i s t h e a m end m ents

1 3 t o EP A 's N ew S our c e P er form a nce Sta n dar d s a n d E m iss i on

1 4 G u ide l ine s fo r Co m mer ci al a n d I n dus t ria l So l id W aste

1 5 I n cin e rat o rs, whi c h w e comm o nly ref e r t o as the

1 6 C

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- W-I or C ISW I ru le . E P A i s pr o pos i ng n ew s our c e

1 7 p e rfo r man c e s t and a rds a nd e m iss i on g uid e lin e s f o r f i ve

1 8 C I SWI sub c ate g ori e s. A s re q uir e d b y th e Cl e an A ir A ct,

1 9 t h is r ule inc l ude s pr op osed num e ric a l e m iss i ons

2 0 s t and a rds for par t icu la te m a tte r , o p aci t y, s ulf u r

2 1 d i oxi d e, h ydr o gen chl or ide, oxi d es o f n i tro g en, car b on

2 2 m o nox i de, lea d , c a dmi um , me r cur y , a n d d i oxi n s/f u rans

2 3 e m iss i ons.

2 4 Th e CI SW I an d bo i ler reg u lat i ons are very

2 5 c l ose l y r e lat e d, b eca us e si m ila r un i ts m ay b e c o nsi d ered1 1

1 b o ile r s o r in c ine r ato rs bas e d o n wh e the r th e y b u rn s olid

2 w a ste mat e ria l s.

3 Th e fo ur th p r opo s al

- - p r opo s ed r ule

4 c l ari f ies whi c h n o n-h az ardo u s s e con d ary mat e ria l s a r e

5 s o lid was t e w h en b urn ed in a co m bus t ion uni t

. I n

6 g e ner a l, n on- h aza r dou s seco n dar y ma t eri a ls b urn e d in

7 c o mbu s tio n un i ts w oul d be c o nsi d ere d so l id w ast e s e x cept

8 f o r t h ose non

- haz a rdo us sec o nda r y m a ter i als tha t fa l l

9 i n to a ny o f t h e f o llo wi ng f o ur c ate g ori e s: One,

1 0 m a ter i als use d as leg it imat e fu e ls t hat rem a in w ith i n

1 1 t h e c o ntr o l o f th e ge ne rato r ; t w o, m ate r ial s th a t a r e

1 2 l e git i mat e ly u sed as in gred i ent s ; t h ree

, di s car d ed

1 3 n o n-h a zar d ous sec o nda ry mat e ria l s t h at h ave been

1 4 s u ffi c ien t ly p roc e sse d into leg i tim a te f uel or

1 5 i n gre d ien t pr o duc t , a nd fin a lly ; fo u r, n on- h aza r dous

1 6 s e con d ary mat e ria l s u se d as a f u el t hat doe s no t re m ain

1 7 w i thi n th e co n tro l of t he g e ner a tor for whi c h E P A g r ants

1 8 a fac i lit y 's p eti t ion f or a "no n -so l id w ast e "

1 9 d e ter m ina t ion.

2 0 Th i s p ro posa l re c ogn i zes tha t tr a dit i onal

2 1 f u els are not sol i d w as tes w hen bur n ed i n a com b ust i on

2 2 u n it. Tr a dit i ona l fu el s ar e th o se f uel s th a t h a ve b een

2 3 h i sto r ica l ly m ana g ed as val u abl e fu e l p r odu c ts r ath e r

2 4 t h an b ein g ma n age d as w aste mat e ria l s.

2 5 Th e ru le als o ta k es c omm e nt o n an1 2

1 " a lte r nat i ve a ppr o ach " that wou l d b r oad e n t h e u n ive r se

2 o f no n -ha z ard o us s eco nd ary m ate r ial s co n sid e red to b e

3 s o lid was t e.

4 EP A is r equi r ed b y c o urt ord e r i s sue d by

5 t h e U n ite d St a tes Dis tr ict C our t fo r th e Di s tri c t of

6 C o lum b ia t o t a ke f ina l acti o n o n th e se p rop o sed rul e s no

7 l a ter tha n De c emb e r 1 6, 201 0

. E PA i nte n ds t o t a ke f inal

8 a c tio n by the sam e da te on t he p rop o sed rul e th a t

9 i d ent i fie s ma t eri a ls th at a r e n o n-h a zar d ous sol i d w a ste

1 0 u n der RCR A

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1 1 Mo r e d et ails abo u t t h e o p pos e d a m end m ents

1 2 a n d i n str u cti o ns f or su bmit t ing pub l ic c omm e nts are

1 3 a v ail a ble in t he r egi st rati o n a r ea o uts i de t he b ack

1 4 d o or. We als o ha v e p re pare d a l ist of t opi c s o n wh i ch

1 5 t h e A g enc y is spe c ifi ca lly r equ e sti n g c o mme n t. Tha t 's

1 6 a l so a vai l abl e in the r egis t rat i on a rea

, an d it may be

1 7 h e lpf u l t o yo u as you a re c o mme n tin g to d ay f or

1 8 s u bmi t tin g wr i tte n co mm ents lat e r t o EP A

. T he A gen c y

1 9 w i ll a cce p t w r itt e n c om ment s un t il m idn i ght Aug u st 3 rd,

2 0 2 0 10.

2 1 No w , l et me t urn to t he c omm e nt p ort i on o f

2 2 t o day ' s h e ari n g, w hic h is w h y y o u'r e al l he r e.

2 3 To d ay' s hear i ng w ill wor k as fol l ows : I

2 4 w i ll c all the sch e dul ed spe a ker s to the mic r oph o ne t wo

2 5 a t a t ime ove r he r e t o my l e ft. Wh e n i t 's t ime for you1 3

1 t o sp e ak, ple a se s tat e your nam e , y o ur a ffi l iat i on, and

2 t h e r u le o r r u les you r verb a l c o mme n ts a re a ddr e ssi n g.

3 W e ma y as k yo u to spe ll you r na m e f o r t h e c o urt

4 r e por t er, who is t ran sc ribi n g y o ur c omm e nts for the

5 o f fic i al r eco r d a n d t he doc k et.

6 To be fa ir t o ev e ryo n e, w e a s k t h at y ou

7 l i mit you r te s tim o ny to six min u tes eac h

. W e h a ve a

8 t i mek e epi n g s y ste m co ns isti n g o f a g ree n , y e llo w , a n d

9 r e d l i ght

. W h en y ou be gin s pea k ing

, th e gr e en l ight

1 0 w i ll c ome on, the yel lo w li g ht w ill sig n al t hat you have

1 1 t w o m i nut e s l e ft, and w e wi l l a s k y o u t o st o p s p eak i ng

1 2 w h en t he r ed l igh t co me s on.

1 3 Ho w eve r, ple a se r ema i n a t th e ta b le u ntil

1 4 b o th s pea k ers hav e co mp lete d th e ir t est i mon y

. W e a r e

1 5 h a vin g so m e t e chn i cal d iffi c ult i es w ith the red

, gr e en

1 6 a n d y e llo w li g hts so I have som e si g ns t hat we m ay h ave

1 7 t o us e un t il w e c a n g et the

-- t he b ox s wit c hed out and

1 8 r e pla c ed, but I'l l ju st sti c k t h em h ere and try not to

1 9 d i str a ct y ou. Bu t ho pe full y it ' ll w ork

, bu t if it

2 0 d o esn ' t, w e'l l go to th e ol d -fa s hio n ed m eth o d.

2 1 We are h ere t oda y to hea r yo u r c o mme n ts o n

2 2 t h ese pro p ose d ru l es. Howe v er, fro m to tim e to tim e

,

2 3 a n yon e on the pan e l m ay ask you a c l ari f yin g qu e sti o n so

2 4 t h at w e c a n b e tte r un de rsta n d y o ur c omm e nts and so t hat

2 5 t h ey c an b e t r ans c rib ed for the rec o rd.1 4

1 If you h ave b rou g ht a wr i tte n co p y o f yo u r

2 c o mme n ts w ith you tod ay , pl e ase giv e a c opy to t he c ourt

3 r e por t er a t m

y ri g ht. All w rit t en c opi e s o f co m men t s

4 w i ll b e s u bmi t ted int o the d ock e t. We w ill wor k ha r d to

5 i n sur e th a t e v ery o ne ha s an opp o rtu n ity to c omm e nt.

6 T o day ' s h e ari n g i s sc he dule d to clo s e a t 8: 0 0 p

. m.

7 t o nig h t, b ut w e w i ll st ay l a ter int o th e ni g ht, if

8 n e ces s ary

, to ens u re th at e v ery o ne g ets a c h anc e to

9 s p eak the i r o p ini o ns. We w i ll t ake bre a ks f or m eals

1 0 d u rin g th e da y an d th ey are out l ine d at the reg i str a tion

1 1 m a ter i als out fro n t s o you k now whe n th o se w ill occ u r.

1 2 If you w ould lik e to tes t ify but hav e not

1 3 y e t r e gis t ere d to do so , yo u ca n si g n u p ou t fr o nt w ith

1 4 o n e o f th e fo l ks a t t he reg i str a tio n ta b le. Fo r th o se

1 5 o f yo u wh o ha v e a l rea dy reg i ste r ed t o s p eak

, we have

1 6 t r ied to a cco m mod a te yo ur r e que s t f o r s p eci f ic t ime

1 7 s l ots

. H o wev e r, w e d o have som e op e nin g s a n d a r e

1 8 w i lli n g t o mo v e t h ing s arou n d t o ac c omm o dat e yo u r

1 9 s c hed u les

, so jus t le t some o ne a t t h e b a ck k now if y ou

2 0 n e ed t o s h ift you r ti me

.

2 1 Fo r sp ea kers pre s ent i ng t est i mon y in

2 2 S p ani s h, p lea s e e n sur e that the ind i cat e d t r ans l ati o n

2 3 n e eds

-- y our ind i cat ed tra n sla t ion nee d s a t the

2 4 r e gis t rat i on d esk

. P ri or t o sp e aki n g, p lea s e p i ck u p a

2 5 h e ads e t, w hic h is loc at ed o v er h ere by t he

- - t h e b o x to1 5

1 t h e r i ght and ale r t t he pan e l a n d t h e r e por t er t hat you

2 w i ll n eed tra n sla t ion s o th a t t h ese par t ici p ant s ca n be

3 p r epa r ed t o h e ar y our t rans l ate d te s tim o ny a nd/ o r

4 t r ans l ate it t o u s so t hat w e m a y u n der s tan d it.

5 P a nel i sts may ask you t o cl a rif y co m men t s y o u m a de

6 d u rin g yo u r t e sti m ony a nd y o u w i ll n eed to w ear one of

7 t h e h e ads e ts s o y o u c an get the tra n sla t ion to h ear our

8 c o mme n ts o r o u r q u est io ns i n yo u r n a tiv e la n gua g e.

9 We ask f or y o ur p ati e nce as w e p r oce e d

1 0 t h rou g h t h is l ist of sp eake r s. We

- - w e ma y ne e d to

1 1 m a ke s ome min o r a d jus tm ents as t he d ay p rog r ess e s. But

1 2 a g ain

, th a nks for com in g. W e l o ok f orw a rd t o h e ari n g

1 3 y o ur c omm e nts

. A n d w it h th a t, w e'l l st a rt t he h ear i ng.

1 4 T h e f i rst two spe a ker s I wo u ld l ike to c all to t he t able

1 5 t o my lef t , R a viy a Is ma il a n d S t an W ebb.

1 6 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

1 7 MR

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1 8 y o urs.

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. G ood mor n ing,

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, th a t's R-A

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- L, a nd I re pr esen t Ea r thj u sti c e, a no n -pr o fit

2 2 e n vir o nme n tal law fir m dedi c ate d to pro t ect i ng t he

2 3 m a gni f ice n t p l ace s , n at ural res o urc e s, a nd w ild l ife of

2 4 t h is e art h , a n d t o de fe ndin g th e ri g ht o f a l l p e opl e to

2 5 a hea l thy env i ron m ent

. I'm her e on beh a lf o f o u r1 6

1 2 0 0,0 0 0 s u ppo r ter s wh o want cle a n a i r a n d s t rong

2 p r ote c tio n s, b ut w ere n ot a b le t o a t ten d to d ay' s pu b lic

3 h e ari n g. We s ent an e- mail to o ur s upp o rte r s a s king

4 t h em t o c o mme n t o n th e U.S. Env i ron m ent a l P r ote c tion

5 A g enc y 's E mis s ion s St an dard s fo r Bo i ler s an d Pr o cess

6 H e ate r s a n d C o mme r cia l Indu s tri a l S o lid Was t e

7 I n cin e rat o rs.

8 We hav e rece i ved tho u san d s o f re s pon s es,

9 a n d c o nti n ue t o h e ar fr om o u r s u ppo r ter s wh o wa n t t h e

1 0 s t ron g est reg u lat i ons p ossi b le t o g u ara n ty c lea r ai r in

1 1 H o ust o n a n d s u rro u ndi ng are a s. I'd lik e to tak e a f ew

1 2 c o mme n ts o ur s upp o rte rs sen t to us t o d e liv e r t o yo u

.

1 3 A. J . F ra nkli n , H o ust o n, T exa s : " As a

1 4 l o ng- t ime Hou s ton

, Te xa s re s ide n t, I am con c ern e d a b out

1 5 e f fec t s o f ou r po l lut ed air

. I t is har d en o ugh to w ork

1 6 a n d e a rn a li v ing wit ho ut h a vin g to wor r y t h at y our

1 7 f a mil y wi l l h a ve t hei r heal t h d a mag e d b y lo o pho l es i n

1 8 t h e l a w. As a se n ior c itiz e n, I wo u ld l ike to l ive my

1 9 r e tir e men t ye a rs h ere i n Ho u sto n wi t hou t re s pir a tory

2 0 p r obl e ms."

2 1 Ro d ney D erbi g ny, Sug a r L a nd, Tex a s:

2 2 " C lea n ai r is cri t ica l to h e alt h of all bei n gs. Wi t hout

2 3 c l ear air

, no t on l y d o peop l e s u ffe r fr o m d e bil i tat i ng

2 4 a i lme n ts s uch as a sth ma , br o nch i tis

, al l erg i c r e act i ons,

2 5 e t ce t era

, bu t po o r a ir qua l ity aff e cts the env i ron m ent1 7

1 i n an mul t itu d e o f wa ys . A s a r esi d ent of t he g rea t er

2 H o ust o n a r ea, the air p ollu t ion has bee n a l ong

- time

3 p r obl e m a n d m e nac e to t he r e sid e nts and the env i ron m ent.

4 P l eas e do eve r yth i ng in you r po w er t o e s tab l ish and

5 e n for c e r e gul a tio n s t o clea r th e ai r in Hou s ton and the

6 s u rro u ndi n g a r eas

. T he reg u lat i ons and cha n ges nee d to

7 b e im

p lem e nte d im

m edi at ely, not gra d ual l y e n for c ed o ver

8 y e ars to c ome

. T h ank y ou i n -- in a dva n ce f or y our

9 e f for t s t o br i ng c lea ne r ai r to Hou s ton and thi s co u ntry

1 0 a s a w hol e ."

1 1 K. Cra ig Ile s , P o rt A rth u r, T exa s : " As a

1 2 l i fel o ng a sth m ati c , c au sed b y t h e o i l r e fin e rie s

,

1 3 c h emi c al p lan t s, a nd in cine r ato r s i n Po r t A r thu r wh e re I

1 4 g r ew u p, I ca n pe r son al ly s p eak to t he h orr i ble

1 5 s u ffe r ing the lit t le ch ildr e n a r e c o nde m ned to w ith

1 6 d i rty pol l ute d ai r

. Gr andm o the r s, a unt s , u n cle s all

1 7 d i ed o f c a nce r as did m y fa t her

, wh o ha d co l on c anc e r.

1 8 P l eas e ma k e u s pr o ud of the EPA and our cur r ent

1 9 a d min i str a tio n by doi ng the rig h t t h ing for the ben e fit

2 0 o f th e ci t ize n s."

2 1 Ka r on Al len, Cyp r ess

, Te x as: "A s so m eone

2 2 w h o l i ves in H arr i s C ou nty, Tex a s, I fu l ly u nde r sta n d

2 3 t h e n e ed f or c lea n er ai r. I t d o es n o g o od t o p r odu c e an

2 4 e c ono m y t h at d est r oys o ur e n vir o nme n t."

2 5 Ca r ina L obel

- Wes t , H o ust o n, T exa s : " For1 8

1 o u r c h ild r ens ' ch i ldr en s' f u tur e li v es, and all that

2 l i ves and bre a the s th is air

, pl e ase red u ce e mis s ion s of

3 t o xic air pol l uta n ts fr om i n dus t ria l bo i ler s !"

4 An n e U te ch, H ous t on, Tex a s: "I c an a lwa y s

5 t e ll w hen I r e tur n to H oust o n f r om a lo n g t r ip

- - t h e

6 a c rid sme l l o f Ho u sto n is d i sti n ct a nd d epr e ssi n g. When

7 I am g one mor e th a n a c oupl e we e ks, ret u rni n g t o Ho u ston

8 c a n g i ve m e f l u-l i ke or all e rgy

- typ e sy m pto m s, n eit h er

9 o f wh i ch I ro u tin e ly su ffer fro m

. T he b est thi n g a b out

1 0 l e avi n g H o ust o n f o r a w eeke n d o r ot h er t rip is b eing

1 1 a b le t o b r eat h e d e epl y with o ut

- - w i tho u t t h at v ery

1 2 d i sti n ct s mel l or fee li ng t h at y ou' r e b r eat h ing bad air.

1 3 P l eas e do n 't l et i t g et any wor s e."

1 4 Li s ha Do ucet

, Ho u sto n , T e xas : " T han k you

1 5 f o r y o ur r ece n t p l ans t o re d uce emi s sio n s o f to x ic a ir

1 6 p o llu t ant s li k e m e rcu ry , le a d, a nd d iox i ns f rom

1 7 i n dus t ria l bo i ler s , p ro cess hea t ers

, an d in c ine r ato r s,

1 8 b u t I thi n k y o u c o uld h ave g one muc h fu r the r

. P lea s e

1 9 c o nsi d er s tre n gth e nin g your sta n dar d s t o pr o tect

2 0 h e alt h ."

2 1 Di a nne T ravi s , R i chm o nd, Tex a s: "Ho u ston

2 2 h a s a dis p rop o rti o nat e shar e of peo p le w ith bre a thi n g

2 3 d i ffi c ult i es. Ch i ldr en wit h as t hma are com m onp l ace now.

2 4 S o me p art s of Hou s ton s impl y st i nk f rom the fum e s of

2 5 i n cin e rat o rs."1 9

1 Ka r en Wh ite, Hou s ton

, Te x as: "D e ar E PA,

2 H o ust o n h a s b e com e a ce sspo o l i n te r ms o f a i r q u ali t y

3 a n d u n hea l thy wat e r. T his c an b e c h ang e d b u t n o t

4 w i tho u t y o u t a kin g yo ur job ser i ous l y a n d w o rki n g f o r

5 t h e h i ghe s t g o od."

6 Ma r ia Ge lat, Kin g woo d , T e xas : " D ear EPA,

7 I t is unb e lie v abl e to m e th a t i n th i s d a y i n ag e , p e ople

8 h a ve t o f i ght cor p ora ti ons t o h a ve t hei r ri g ht t o

9 b r eat h e u n pol l ute d ai r. Do the s e c o rpo r ate CEO ' s h a ve

1 0 c h ild r en, gra n dch i ldr en ? D o th e y e v er l ist e n to

1 1 s c ien t ist s , o r do the y like to s tay ign o ran t ?"

1 2 Fi n all y, I'm wea r ing a T

- shi r t t h at r ead,

1 3 " D on' t Tr a sh O ur L ung s. " I t 's a s s i mpl e as tha t

. T hank

1 4 y o u.

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1 6 o r Ke n , d o yo u ha v e a ny cla r ify i ng q ues t ion s for

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2 2 W

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- B, a nd I 'm s pea ki ng o n be h alf of W eye r hae u ser

2 3 C o mpa n y. I w o rk f or We yerh a eus e r, a nd I 'm a ma n age r of

2 4 a lum b er m ill in P hil ad elph i a, M iss i ssi p pi. In

2 5 P h ila d elp h ia, we h ave t wo b o ile r s t h at b urn ren e wab l e2 0

1 b i oma s s t h at w ill be su bjec t to the maj o r s o urc e Bo i ler

2 M A CT g rou p

. I n f a ct, W eyer h aeu s er h as s ome 40 b oil e rs

3 a n d p r oce s s h e ate r s a t 28 p r odu c t m i lls and pul p mi l ls

4 l o cat e d a c ros s th e U. S. and wil l be sub j ect to t he

5 B o ile r MA C T o r th e ar ea sou r ce b oil e r a r eas as p rop o sed

6 b y EP A

.

7 Be c aus e meet i ng t he B oil e r M A CT

8 r e qui r eme n ts f or o ur fl eet o f b o ile r s w o uld both

9 e c ono m ica l ly a nd t ech ni call y ch a lle n ge, we a re k een l y

1 0 i n ter e ste d in pro v idi ng inp u t a n d t h ank you for the

1 1 o p por t uni t y t o do so to day.

1 2 We als o inte n d t o pr o vid e ad d iti o nal

1 3 w r itt e n c o mme n ts d eta il ing t ech n ica l co n cer n s d u rin g the

1 4 c o mme n t p e rio d

. Y ou ca n te l l I don ' t d o th i s f o r a

1 5 l i vin g

. W eye r hae u ser h as l o ng- s upp o rte d ef f ort s to

1 6 a d dre s s s e rio u s h e alt h thre a ts f rom air emi s sio n s.

1 7 H o wev e r, w e a l so b eli ev e th a t a i r r e gul a tio n s c a n a n d

1 8 s h oul d be bal a nce d so t hat b oth our env i ron m ent is

1 9 p r ote c ted and job s ar e sust a ine d

.

2 0 Th i s i s espe c ial l y c r iti c al a s w e ge t --

2 1 a s we and the res t of t he c o unt r y t r y t o me r ge a nd

2 2 r e cov e r f r om o ne o f t he mos t si g nif i can t re c ess i ons in

2 3 t h e n a tio n 's h ist o ry. Our i nit i al e val u ati o ns o f t h e

2 4 p r opo s ed r ule s in d ica te the cos t im p act s wi l l b e a

2 5 s e rio u s c h all e nge to mo st o f th e cu r ren t ru n nin g mi l ls.2 1

1 Ad d iti on ally

, th e co s t i m pac t s h i t j u st a s

2 t h e e c ono m ic c ond i tio ns mig h t o t her w ise all o w f a cil i ties

3 t h at c urr e ntl y ar e sh ut dow n to res t art

. F o r e x amp l e,

4 e x tre m e c o sts may pro hi bit r est a rti n g s o me o f o u r

5 w o od- p rod u ct f aci l iti es tha t we r e c u rta i led due to

6 i m pac t s o f th e re c ess io n on the hou s ing mar k et. Th i s

7 r e sul t -- thi s re s ult w ould be o ppo s ite to t he

8 a d min i str a tio n go a ls of reb u ild i ng j obs

. I t wo u ld b e a

9 d e vas t ati n g b l ow t o t he fam i lie s an d th e co m mun i ties

1 0 d e pen d ent on t hes e fa ci liti e s.

1 1 In fac t, to g ive the s e c o sts som e sc a led

1 2 p e rsp e cti v es, the Woo d Prod u cts Cou n cil

, in whi c h w e are

1 3 m e mbe r s, c omp i led a p ro ject e d c o st t o c o mpl y wi t h t h e

1 4 p r opo s ed r ule s fo r so me 34 b roi l ers at f ore s t p r odu c t

1 5 i n dus t ry f aci l iti e s i n the S tat e of Mis s iss i ppi whe r e my

1 6 m i ll i s l o cat e d. Tho se cos t s p r oje c tio n s t o tal e d

1 7 $ 2 90 m ill i on. An d in cr edib l y, t hat amo u nt i s m o re t han

1 8 a qua r ter of t he t ota l fore s t p r odu c t i n dus t ry' s pr o fits

1 9 i n 20 0 8 a n d 2 0 09 i n t he U.S.

2 0 Wh i le I' m no t re a dy t o d i scu s s s p eci f ic

2 1 c o st p roj e cti o ns f or my fac i lit y , t h e f i gur e s f o r t h e

2 2 f o res t pr o duc t in d ust ry in M iss i ssi p pi a re i ndi c ati v e.

2 3 I n Ph i lad e lph i a, w e w ou ld n e ed t o c o nsi d er a ddi n g o n at

2 4 l e ast thr e e c o ntr o l d ev ices to a ddr e ss a t l e ast fou r of

2 5 t h e f i ve h aza r dou s ai r poll u tan t s t h at E PA h as p rop o sed2 2

1 t o st r eng t hen and reg ul ate o n t h e B o ile r MA C T g r oup

, and

2 w e wo u ld h ave to d o s o not k now i ng w het h er t he c ont r ols

3 w i th e xtr e mel y lo w le ve ls o f po l lut a nts suc h as mer c ury

4 a n d d i oxi d es w oul d be e ffec t ive or c oul d ev e n be

5 m e asu r ed w ith cer t ain

. The r e's got to b e a bet t er w ay.

6 W h at w e'd lik e EP A to d o wi t h t h e c o st i mpa c ts f or t he

7 r u les tha t ar e pr o pos ed so l arg e , a n d n u mer o us t ech n ical

8 i s sue s th a t o t her s wi ll det a il, we u rge EPA to m ake this

9 a win

- win and use its d iscr e tio n an d im p rov e th e ru l es

1 0 s i gni f ica n tly to r edu ce the com p lia n t's cos t

.

1 1 We y erh ae user bel i eve s EP A ca n do thi s by

1 2 a d jus t ing the str i nge nc y of the lim i ts, by m odi f yin g its

1 3 a p pro a ch t o d e fin i ng wh at i s te c hni c all y ac h iev a ble

, by

1 4 a l low i ng u se o f h e alt h- base d co m pli a nce alt e rna t ives

1 5 w h ere app r opr i ate in li eu o f th e hy d rog e n c h lor i de a nd

1 6 m a nga n ese lim i ts a s E PA did in t he o rig i nal Boi l er M ACT,

1 7 b y es t abl i shi n g a n ex cl usiv e wo r k p r act i ce o r o t her

1 8 a p pro a ch f or l imi t ed- us e bo i ler s , b y st r eam l ini n g t h e

1 9 p e rfo r man c e t e sts

, mo ni tori n g a n d o t her com p lia n ce

2 0 d e mon s tra t ion req u ire me nts s uch as t hat are ali g ned with

2 1 e m iss i on t est i ng a nd re port i ng r equ i rem e nts for oth e r

2 2 a i r e m iss i on r egu l ati on s by str e aml i nin g pe r for m anc e --

2 3 b y el i min a tin g ca r bon m onox i de l imi t s f o r b i oma s s

2 4 b o ile r s u n der the are a sour c e r u le, and its

-- a nd

2 5 i n ste a d r e gul a tin g th es e sm a ll s our c es u sin g th e tu n e-up2 3

1 w o rk p rac t ice req u ire me nts, and by u sin g the

2 n o n-h a zar d ous sec o nda ry mat e ria l s s o lid was t e d e fin i tion

3 r u le t hat bac k s u p th e nati o nal goa l s f o r e n ergy

4 i n dep e nde n ce a nd w ast e mini m iza t ion by c lea r ly a nd

5 e a sil y qu a lif y ing res id ual m ate r ial s as fue l s.

6 Fo r We ye rhae u ser and the for e st p rod u ct

7 i n dus t ry, it' s im p ort an t th a t t h e r e sid u als suc h as

8 r e sin a te, san d er d ust

, and p ane l tr i m b i oma s s, a nd w aste

9 w a ter tre a tme n t b i oma ss sol i ds, as w ell as o ther

1 0 a l ter n ati v e f u els tha t aris e in the fut u re a re t rea t ed

1 1 a s fu e ls u nde r th e se ru les. Th a nk y ou f or c ons i der a tion

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1 4 d o n't hav e an y cl a rif yi ng q u est i ons for Mr. Web b ?

1 5 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

1 6 MR

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1 7 k i nd o f s e rvi n g a dua l role her e

. I 'm a lso the hea r ing

1 8 o f fic e r, b ut I 'm a lso t he t e chn i cal exp e rt f rom the air

1 9 o f fic e an d I h ad o ne qu esti o n f o r y o u.

2 0 Yo u me nt ione d a l ot o f t h ese dif f ere n t

2 1 t h ing s yo u wo u ld l ike t o se e co n sid e red as t he A gen c y

2 2 m o ves for w ard

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2 3 A

m eri c a F o res t Pr o duc ts Ass o cia t ion

, wi l l y o u g u ys b e

2 4 s u bmi t tin g an y co m mer ci al d a ta d uri n g t h e c o min g -- any

2 5 w r itt e n t o su p por t so me of t hes e di f fer e nt a ppr o ach e s2 4

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7 n e xt

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8 w a ter for the spe a ker s. It was kin d of rud e of us t o

9 h a ve w ate r he r e a n d n ot giv e yo u gu y s a cha n ce t o h a ve

1 0 i t , a s we l l, s o I apo lo gize for tha t

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1 2 s p eak e rs, Gra y Sk i ppe r and A ndy Man g an. If you ' ll c ome

1 3 u p an d ta k e a sea t , p le ase.

1 4 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

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1 8 t h is o ppo r tun i ty t o b e able to s pea k , a n d I ' m s p eak i ng

1 9 o n be h alf of S cot c h P ly wood Com p any

, wh i ch i s a fam i ly

2 0 b u sin e ss s tar t ed i n 1 96 4. A t S c otc h Pl y woo d , w e ha v e

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, to 320 mil l ion fee t

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2 2 W e cu r ren t ly e mpl o y 3 50 emp l oye e s a n d h a ve t hree

2 3 f a cil i tie s in Way n esb or o, M i ssi s sip p i, B eat r ice,

2 4 A l aba m a, a nd F ult o n A la bama.

2 5 Ou r an nu al p a yro l l i s in exc e ss o f $ 1 52 5

1 m i lli o n, a nd w e s p end o ver $ 48 m ill i on a ye a r i n our

2 r e spe c tiv e co m mun i tie s. We are act i ve a nd v ery

3 f o rtu n ate to b e l o cat ed in o ur c omm u nit i es. It ' s i n the

4 r u ral are a s o f so u thw es t Al a bam a an d so u thw e st

5 M i ssi s sip p i. The rec en t do w ntu r n w a s n o t f r ien d ly t o

6 o u r c o mpe t ito r s. We ha ve l o st f our saw m ill s , o n e

7 e n gin e er w ood pro d uct s faci l ity

, on e ve n eer fac i lit y

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8 a n d t w o p l ywo o d m i lls c ompl e tel y sh u t d o wn i n o u r

9 o p era t ing are a s. Thi s is r e pre s ent a tiv e of the rec e nt

1 0 s t ati s tic s of une m plo ym ent.

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, Sc o tch Ply w ood

1 4 d i d, a nd w e h a ve r ehi re d an d we ' re b ack in f ull

1 5 p r odu c tio n

. W e c o ntr ib uted to t he s afe

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1 6 e n vir o nme n tal res p ons es in a re s pon s ibl e ma n ner

. We

1 7 h a ve c omp l ied wit h th e plyw o od M ACT and now we' r e f a ced

1 8 w i th t he B oil e r M A CT.

1 9 Ou r es ti mate of c ost s is goi n g t o be

2 0 s o mew h ere in e xce s s o f $2 m i lli o n t o co m ply as t he

2 1 B o ile r MA C T i s pr e sen te d to d ay. Wa y nes b oro

, Mi s sis s ippi

2 2 w i ll h ave to s pen d ar ou nd a hal f a m ill i on d oll a rs a nd

2 3 i n cre a se o ur c ost s -- o ur g u ess

, be s t g u ess -- i s t w o

2 4 a n d a hal f pe r cen t

. Th at d o esn ' t s e em l ike muc h

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3 So we' re for c ed t o l o ok a t o t her

4 d e cis i ons

. T h e d e cis io ns f o r u s is pre t ty s imp l e.

5 W e 'll mak e th i s i n ves tm ent, whi c h w i ll e xce e d $ 2 mi l lion

6 a t th e tw o fa c ili t ies i n th e cu r ren t -- or o ur b est

7 e s tim a te o f t h e f u tur e econ o mic env i ron m ent

, an d we make

8 p a rti a l i n ves t men t s a nd run eco n omi c all y at a r e duc e d

9 r a te a t b o th f aci l iti es or c los e ou r fa c ili t ies.

1 0 So as we loo k at tha t , B and C c a use us t o

1 1 l a y o f f p e rso n nel sig ni fica n tly imp a cti n g o u r l o cal

1 2 c o mmu n iti e s. Une m plo ym ent n ati o nal l y i s 9 a nd a ha l f

1 3 p e rce n t; w e'r e in exc es s of 12 t o 1 6 pe r cen t

. W e w i ll

1 4 g e t b a ck t o t h e h o usi ng sta r ts, eco n omi c all y , w e wi l l,

1 5 b u t w e 'll

-- o r w e 're g oing to r egu l ate our s elv e s o u t of

1 6 b e ing com

p eti t ive

. T ha t's t he q ues t ion tha t we -- a re

1 7 w e go i ng t o c o nti n ue to hav e ou r pr o duc t ion cap a cit y to

1 8 o u r n e igh b ors to t he so uth, Sou t h A m eri c a?

1 9 Mo s t i mp orta n tly

, wh a t S c otc h Pl y wood

2 0 w o uld lik e to be c ons id er i s th e pu b lic hea l th o pti o n

2 1 t h at w as c ons i der e d i n the p lyw o od M ACT

, al s o a v ail a ble

2 2 f o r t h e B o ile r MA C T. T hank you for you r ti m e.

2 3 MR

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. A ny

2 4 c l ari f yin g qu e sti o ns?

2 5 MR

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2 a s ked of t he l ast gen tl eman

. I n te r ms o f t h e h e alth

3 r a te c omp l ian c e a l ter na tes t hat

-- t hat you ' re a ski n g us

4 t o co n sid e r, w ill you g uys b e g i vin g us any mor e da t a or

5 i n for m ati o n t o su p por t that app r oac h in you r wr i tten

6 c o mme n ts?

7 MR

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9 s p eak e r i s An d y M a nga n.

1 0 MR

. MA NG AN: Tha n k y o u. Goo d mo r nin g

. M y

1 1 n a me i s A n dre w Ma n gan

, M-A- N -G- A -N, and I'm the

1 2 e x ecu t ive dir e cto r of t he U n ite d St a tes Bus i nes s Co u ncil

1 3 f o r S u sta i nab l e D e vel op ment

. I am h ere to c omm e nt o n

1 4 t h e p r opo s ed r ule reg ar ding Ide n tif i cat i on o f

1 5 N o n-H a zar d ous Sec o nda ry Mat e ria l s t h at a re S oli d Wa s tes.

1 6 Th e Un it ed S t ate s Bu s ine s s C o unc i l f o r

1 7 S u sta i nab l e D e vel o pme nt , or USB C SD, or B usi n ess Cou n cil

1 8 i s a n etw o rk o f c o mpa ni es r e pre s ent i ng 2 0 m a jor

1 9 i n dus t ria l se c tor s af fi liat e d w i th t he W orl d Bu s ine s s

2 0 C o unc i l f o r S u sta i nab le Dev e lop m ent

, an o the r 200

2 1 c o mpa n ies fro m ar o und t he w o rld tha t ar e al l se e kin g to

2 2 i d ent i fy a nd p rom o te pr ojec t s a n d b u sin e ss a cti v iti e s

2 3 d e mon s tra t ing the bus in ess c ase for sus t ain a bil i ty f or

2 4 t h e t r ipl e bo t tom lin e that is e con o mic

, en v iro n men t

,

2 5 a n d s o cie t al v alu e s.2 8

1 On e of o ur m o st s ucc e ssf u l p r oje c ts i n t h e

2 U n ite d St a tes is c all ed By- P rod u ct S yne r gy. By

- Pro d uct

3 S y ner g y i s th e ma t chi ng of u nde r -va l ued by- p rod u cts,

4 t r ans p ort a tio n , w a ter

, ener g y a n d o t her str e ams fro m one

5 f a cil i ty w ith pot e nti al use r s a t an o the r fa c ili t y to

6 c r eat e ne w re v enu e s o r savi n gs, and cre a te e nvi r onm e ntal

7 a n d s o cie t al b ene f its

. Sta t ed s imp l y, B y-P r odu c t

8 S y ner g y i s id e nti f yin g how a se c ond a ry m ate r ial fro m one

9 p r oce s s c a n b e us e d a s a re s our c e i n an o the r pr o ces s

.

1 0 Th e U. S. Bus i nes s Co u nci l st a rte d wo r king

1 1 o n by

- pro d uct s sy n erg y in 1 9 97 w ith the sup p ort US E PA

1 2 a s a c o-f u nde r of the f irst pro j ect in T amp i co, Mex i co.

1 3 S i nce tha t in i tia l co ll abor a tiv e pr o jec t , w e ha v e

1 4 c o lle c ted mor e th a n a d ozen reg i ona l sy n erg y pr o duc t s

1 5 a c ros s No r th A mer i ca in clud i ng p roj e cts in K ans a s C i ty,

1 6 N e w J e rse y , P u get Sou nd , Mo b ile

, Al a bam a , C h ica g o, O hio,

1 7 D a lla s , a n d H o ust o n. W e ha v e p r oje c ts d eve l opi n g

1 8 c u rre n tly in t he e ast S an F r anc i sco Bay

, so u th B ost o n

1 9 a n d A u sti n , T e xas.

2 0 Hu n dre ds of c omp a nie s al o ng w ith cit y and

2 1 s t ate gov e rnm e nts and r egio n al n on- -- n ong o ver n men t al

2 2 o r gan i zat i ons hav e pa rt icip a ted wit h us in t hese

2 3 p r oje c ts p rod u cin g hu nd reds of s yne r gie s th a t h a ve s aved

2 4 t e ns o f m i lli o ns o f d ol lars whi l e s i gni f ica n tly cut t ing

2 5 e n erg y , w a ter

, ai r em is sion s of all kin d s, a nd w ast e to2 9

1 l a ndf i lls

. T h ese pro je cts h ave dev e lop e d o v er t he p ast

2 1 3 ye a rs w ith str o ng po licy sup p ort

, an d of t en

3 s i gni f ica n t f u ndi n g s up port

, fr o m U S EP A re g ion a l a n d

4 h e adq u art e rs o ffi c es. All o f t h is i s t o sa y th a t U

. S.

5 i n dus t rie s ha v e i d ent if ied a nd i mpl e men t ed m any

6 d i ffe r ent by- p rod u cts s yner g ies tha t pr o vide

7 e n vir o nme n tal ben e fit s, pro m ote ene r gy i nde p end e nce,

8 p r ese r ve n atu r al r eso ur ces, and sav e mo n ey.

9 In the A dvan c ed N oti c e o f Pr o pos e d

1 0 R u lem a kin g , E P A i d ent if ied a wi d e v a rie t y o f su c ces s ful

1 1 b y -pr o duc t sy n erg i es an d th e en v iro n men t al b ene f its they

1 2 p r ovi d e. For exa m ple

, use o f -

- of scr a p t i res or

1 3 t i re- d eri v ed f uel has r esul t ed i n a sig n ifi c ant dec r ease

1 4 i n th e nu m ber of t ire s dest i ned for lan d fil l di s pos a l, a

1 5 r e duc t ion in s ome typ es of a ir e mis s ion s , a n d

1 6 e l imi n ati o n o f th e en vi ronm e nta l im p act ass o cia t ed w ith

1 7 o b tai n ing raw vir g in fu el s o urc e s. Use d oi l bu r ned for

1 8 e n erg y re c ove r y r e sul ts in s ign i fic a ntl y lo w er N Ox

1 9 e m iss i ons tha n fu e l o il , an d al s o e l imi n ate s the

2 0 g r een h ous e ga s em i ssi on s as s oci a ted wit h up s tre a m

2 1 p r odu c tio n of fos s il fu els. Cu t off of c oal fly ash in

2 2 c e men t ki l n d u st a nd co al r e fut e s w e re a lso ide n tif i ed

2 3 i n th e ad v ant a ged not ic e.

2 4 By

- Pro du ct S y ner g y p r oje c ts a re b eco m ing a

2 5 w o rld w ide phe n ome n on. The E uro p ean uni o n h a s m a de i t a3 0

1 c e ntr a l e l eme n t o f th e sust a ina b ili t y a n d i s sue s , a n d in

2 t h e U n ite d Ki n gdo m , t he Bri t ish gov e rnm e nt h as f und e d

3 b y -pr o duc t s s y ner g y a n atio n al w ast e ma n age m ent ene r gy

4 e f fic i enc y an d cl i mat e cont r ol p rog r am, tho u gh b eing

5 E n gli s h t h ey c all it in dust r ial sem i osi s

. T his is

6 t h e -

- th i s p r ogr a m h as bee n ci t ed b y m o re t han a

7 h u ndr e d m e mbe r s o f th e Engl i sh p arl i ame n t a s on e of the

8 m o st p rod u cti v e a n d e ff ecti v e g o ver n men t -su p por t ed

9 i n iti a tiv e s u n der w ay. Japa n , A u str a lia

, Po r tug a l, C hina

1 0 a n d o t her cou n tri e s a re all pur s uin g th e sa m e k i nd o f

1 1 e f fic i enc y pr o gra m

.

1 2 In the U nite d St a tes

, By

- Pro d uct Syn e rgy

1 3 i s an ess e nti a l e l eme nt of E PA' s st a ted goa l s f o r t h e

1 4 p r opo s ed r ule as w ast e mana g eme n t g e ner a lly inc l ude

--

1 5 i n clu d ing max i miz i ng th e us e ful n ess of s eco n dary

1 6 m a ter i als

, re d uci n g w as tes, con s erv i ng e ner g y, r edu c ing

1 7 a i r e m iss i ons

, an d re du cing gre e nho u se g as e mis s ion s

.

1 8 T h e b u sin e ss c oun c il su ppor t s a n y m e asu r e t h at w ill

1 9 r e mov e un n ece s sar y ba rr iers to a nd p rov i de g rea t er

2 0 i n cen t ive s fo r By

- Pro du ct S y ner g y p r oje c ts.

2 1 Ac c ord in gly, the bus i nes s co u nci l an d its

2 2 m e mbe r co m pan i es a re ve ry i n ter e ste d in the pro p osed

2 3 r u les

-- r ule reg a rdi ng the ide n tif i cat i on o f

2 4 n o n-h a zar d ous sec o nda ry mat e ria l s t h at a re s oli d wa s tes.

2 5 W e ha v e, h owe v er, gra ve con c ern s ab o ut t he p rop o sed rule3 1

1 b e cau s e i t ap p ear s to s ever e ly l imi t ef f ect i ve

2 b y -pr o duc t sy n erg i es, a nd d i d s o wi t hou t any

3 c o rre s pon d ing ben e fit t o hu m an h eal t h o r the

4 e n vir o nme n t.

5 In fac t, the eff e ct o f t h e r u le w ill

6 l i kel y be an i ncr e ase i n ai r em i ssi o ns, gre a ter use of

7 v i rgi n na t ura l re s our ce s, a n d i n cre a se i n e n ergy

8 c o nsu m pti o n, m ore was te in l and f ill s , m o re g ree n hou s e

9 g a s e m iss i ons

, an d in cr ease adm i nis t rat i ve b urd e n on

1 0 E P A, a nd i ncr e ase d co st s fo r th e re g ula t ed c omm u nit y

.

1 1 Th e bu si ness cou n cil bel i eve s th a t t h e

1 2 p r opo s ed r ule s fo c us on whe t her a n o n-h a zar d ous

1 3 s e con d ary mat e ria l fu el rem a ins in p oss e ssi o n o f the

1 4 g e ner a tor to n ot b e a n eces s ary or d ete r min i ng f act o r in

1 5 w h eth e r a sec o nda r y m at eria l is a w a ste

. T h e c o unc i l

1 6 b e lie v es t hat the fra me work set for t h i n th e ad v anc e d

1 7 n o tic e of pro p ose d ru le maki n g p r ope r ly p lac e s t h e f o cus

1 8 o n th e be n efi c ial use o f th e se c ond a ry m ate r ial.

1 9 Fo r re as ons n ot c lea r ly o r a d equ a tel y set

2 0 f o rth in t he p rop o sed r ule, EPA aba n don e d t h e r e aso n able

2 1 a p pro a ch i n t h e a d van ce d no t ice

, an app r oac h ed t hat

2 2 w o uld hav e pr o mot e d b y- prod u ct s yne r gie s wh i le r ema i ning

2 3 p r ote c tiv e of hum a n h ea lth a nd t he e nvi r onm e nt. We ' re

2 4 s t ill

-- i n a d dit i on to the mak i ng o f -

- ma k ing use of

2 5 c u rre n t b y -pr o duc t sy ne rgie s ei t her imp o ssi b le o r3 2

1 p r ohi b iti v ely bur d ens om e, c o mpl i cat e d o r ex p ens i ve, the

2 r e gul a tor y hu r dle s in t he p r opo s ed r ule wil l li k ely

3 d i sco u rag e re s ear c h a nd col l abo r ati o n, a s w e ll a s

4 i n nov a tio n in t o a d dit io nal b y-p r odu c t s y ner g ies and

5 s u ppo r tin g te c hno l ogi es

.

6 Th e bu si ness cou n cil wou l d s u bmi t wr i tten

7 c o mme n ts w ith add i tio na l da t a t h at e xpl a in o ur c onc e rns

8 i n gr e ate r de t ail and i nclu d es s pec i fic exa m ple s . I

9 a p pre c iat e th e ti m e t o shar e th e bu s ine s s c o unc i l's

1 0 t h oug h ts a nd c onc e rns r egar d ing the pro p ose d ru l e.

1 1 T h ank you.

1 2 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

1 3 c l ari f yin g qu e sti o ns fr om y o u g u ys?

1 4 MR

. TH OM AS: No.

1 5 MR

. BO YC E: N o.

1 6 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

1 7 A p pre c iat e yo u r t e sti mo ny. The nex t tw o sp e ake r s I ' d

1 8 l i ke t o c a ll a re M att he w Te j ada and Sha r i K e lle r

.

1 9 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

2 0 MR

. WA YL AND: Mr

. Te j ada

, do you wan t to

2 1 s t art ? I f yo u gu y s w an t to fli p , t h at' s fi n e. If

2 2 y o u'r e re a dy, it' s fi ne

.

2 3 MS

. KE LL ER: I'm rea d y.

2 4 MR

. TE JA DA: She ' s r e ady

. L e t h e r g o

.

2 5 MR

. WA YL AND: No t a p rob l em.3 3

1 MS

. KE LL ER: Goo d mo r nin g

. M y n a me i s

2 S h ari Kel l er, S-H

- A-R -I , K- E -L- L -E- R

. I 'm a se n ior

3 s t aff env i ron m ent a l e ng inee r wi t h S h ell Oil Pro d uct s in

4 t h e U n ite d St a tes

. M y comm e nts tod a y a r e o n be h alf of

5 t h e A P I, t he A mer i can P etro l eum Ins t itu t e, a nd N PRA

, the

6 N a tio n al P etr o che m ica l and R efi n ers Ass o cia t ion

. A P I is

7 t h e p r ima r y t r ade ass oc iati o n o f Am e ric a 's o il a nd

8 n a tur a l g a s i n dus t ry, r epre s ent i ng m ore tha n 40 0 me m bers

9 i n vol v ed i n a l l a s pec ts of t he i ndu s try

. N P RA i s a

1 0 n a tio n al t rad e as s oci at ion r epr e sen t ing mor e th a n 4 5 0

1 1 m e mbe r s, i ncl u din g vi rt uall y al l U. S . r e fin e rs a nd

1 2 p e tro c hem i cal man u fac tu rers.

1 3 Fi r st an d fo r emo s t, w e s u ppo r t w o rk

1 4 p r act i ces for nat u ral

- and r efi n ery

- gas uni t s, a s

1 5 p r opo s ed, and bel i eve t hat t his app r oac h sh o uld also

1 6 e x ten d to fue l ga s fr om pet r och e mic a l o p era t ion s . A

1 7 s o und nat i ona l en e rgy a nd r e gul a tor y po l icy must

1 8 r e cog n ize the imp o rta nt rol e ga s eou s fu e ls p lay bot h in

1 9 o u r e c ono m y a n d i n re du cing con v ent i ona l po l lut a nts and

2 0 g r een h ous e ga s es.

2 1 Wi t h r eg ard t o o i l-f i red uni t s, i t c a nnot

2 2 h a ve b een Con g res s 's in tent for EPA to s et e mis s ion

2 3 l i mit s , o r MA C T f l oor s, for mul t ipl e ha z ard o us a ir

2 4 p o llu t ant s wi t hou t ad dr essi n g o r de m ons t rat i ng w het h er

2 5 o r no t th e li m its are a chie v abl e in com b ina t ion

. F o r3 4

1 t h is r ule m aki n g, t her e is n o in d ica t ion fro m th e da t a

2 c o lle c ted tha t ev e n o ne of t he " bes t pe r for m ers " is

3 a c hie v ing all the pro po sed e mis s ion lim i ts t oda y

. T here

4 a r e u n int e nde d co n seq ue nces of p rop o sin g em i ssi o n

5 s t and a rds tha t wo u ld re quir e th e in s tal l ati o n o f co n trol

6 d e vic e s t h at h ave not b een d emo n str a ted to a chi e ve t he

7 p r opo s ed n ume r ic e mis si on l i mit s an d th a t w o uld

, in

8 a c tua l ity

, in c rea s e e ne rgy c ons u mpt i on a nd i ncr e ase

9 e m iss i ons.

1 0 AP I /NP RA mem b ers hav e oi l -fi r ed b oil e rs

1 1 a n d h e ate r s l o cat e d i n Hawa i i, A las k a, a nd U .S. isl a nd

1 2 t e rri t ori e s, a rea s th at do n ot h ave gas sup p lies

1 3 a v ail a ble

, wh e re t he op tion of s wit c hin g to a d i ffe r ent

1 4 f u el d oes not exi s t. T he o v erl y st r ing e nt p rop o sed

1 5 s t and a rds for oil

- fir ed uni t s w i ll l ike l y m e an t hat a

1 6 n u mbe r of exi s tin g bo il ers a nd h eat e rs w ill hav e to be

1 7 r e pla c ed w ith new uni ts due to t he i nfe a sib i lit y of

1 8 r e tro f itt i ng e xis t ing u nits wit h po l lut i on c ont r ol

1 9 d e vic e s c a pab l e o f ac hi evin g th e pr o pos e d s t and a rds

. We

2 0 a r e o p era t ing in a bu si ness cli m ate in w hic h ou r me m bers

2 1 a r e e v alu a tin g th e ir op erat i on a sse t s t o de t erm i ne

2 2 w h eth e r t h ey w ill rem ai n ec o nom i cal l y v i abl e . A

2 3 r e gul a tor y ma n dat e fo r sign i fic a nt c api t al i nve s tme n t to

2 4 r e pla c e e q uip m ent and i nsta l l n e w c o ntr o ls c oul d we l l

2 5 c o ntr i but e to a d e cis io n to sim p ly s hut dow n so m e3 5

1 f a cil i tie s

.

2 Se c ond

, ther e ap p ear s to be a sh i ft i n t h e

3 m e tho d th a t E P A s e s t o set e mis s ion lim i ts a nd w e a l l

4 k n ow i ts n ame

. .. F ran ke n MA C T. Fra n ken MAC T "l i ves"

5 w h en E PA s ets emi s sio n limi t s b a sed on t he b est

6 p e rfo r min g un i ts o n a p ollu t ant

- by- p oll u tan t ba s is

7 w i tho u t c o nsi d eri n g w he ther or n ot t hos e li m its are

8 a c hie v abl e in com b ina ti on. In f act

, in thi s ru l ema k ing,

9 E P A h a s u s ed e mis s ion s in c a lcu l ati n g n u mer i cal lim i ts

1 0 t h at a re a t t h e v e ry bo unds of o ur a bil i ty t o e v en

1 1 m e asu r e t h e p o llu t ant

. Thi s is a d r ast i c s h ift from

1 2 E P A's his t ori c al t ech no logy

- bas e d a p pro a ch, pra c tic e d

1 3 a n d p r ove n ef f ect i ve ov er t h e p a st 3 0 y e ars

. E P A's new

1 4 f l oor MAC T po l icy is se ttin g ex t rem e li m its tha t are

1 5 d r ast i cal l y d i ffe r ent t han E PA' s pr o pos e d G A CT l imi t s,

1 6 r e sul t ing in c onf u sio n abou t th e re a l h e alt h ri s k of

1 7 s u ch u nit s

. E PA n eed s to r e tur n to set t ing ach i eva b le

1 8 s t and a rds tha t ar e ba se d on sou n d s c ien c e.

1 9 Th e re ar e un i nte n ded con s equ e nce s of

2 0 r e qui r ing the ins t all at ion o f p o llu t ion con t rol dev i ces

2 1 t h at h ave not bee n de mo nstr a ted col l ect i vel y to ach i eve

2 2 t h e s t and a rds

. F o r i ns tanc e , t h e p r opo s ed C O f o r g a s-

2 3 a n d l i qui d -fi r ed u nit s will req u ire ope r ati n g a t mu c h

2 4 h i ghe r ox y gen lev e ls th an t y pic a l, w hic h wi l l l e ad t o

2 5 i n cre a sed fue l us e , a nd as a re s ult

, in c rea s ed C O23 6

1 e m iss i ons

. R e mar k abl y, the pro p osa l do e s n o t i n dic a te

2 h o w t h e l o w C O le v els w ill b e a c hie v ed. Ar e we to t ake

3 t h is a s a n in d ica t ion t hat E PA' s ow n an a lys i s s h ows that

4 i t is una c hie v abl e ? To com p lic a te m att e rs, EPA has also

5 i n clu d ed i n t h e p r opo se d ru l e p r ece d ent

- set t ing ene r gy

6 a s ses s men t an d on g oin g ener g y m a nag e men t re q uir e men t s

7 t h at a ppl y we l l b e yon d the s our c e c a teg o ry, whi c h we

8 b e lie v e w i ll f urt h er hi ghli g ht t he i nco n sis t enc y be t ween

9 l o w C O le v els and the o ptim u m o p era t ion of b oil e rs a nd

1 0 p r oce s s h e ate r s.

1 1 In clo si ng, w e s u ppo r t w o rk p rac t ice s for

1 2 n a tur a l- a nd r efi n ery -g as u n its

, as pro p ose d , a n d

1 3 b e lie v e E P A s h oul d ex pl icit l y e x ten d th e wo r k p r act i ce

1 4 t o in c lud e fu e l g a s f ro m pe t roc h emi c al o per a tio n s. EPA

1 5 s h oul d es t abl i sh a chi ev able lim i ts f or o il- f ire d un i ts,

1 6 g i vin g op e rat o rs t he fl exib i lit y th e y n e ed t o m a xim i ze

1 7 c o mbu s tio n ef f ici e ncy a nd t h ere b y m i nim i ze e mis s ion s

.

1 8 Ou r de ta iled wri t ten com m ent s wi l l e x pand

1 9 o n th e po i nts rai s ed an d wi l l i n clu d e a d dit i onal

2 0 i n for m ati o n o n th e st an dard s fo r bo t h g a s a n d o i l-f i red

2 1 u n its

. T h ank you for a llow i ng m e a n op p ort u nit y to

2 2 p r ovi d e t h is t est i mon y.

2 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

2 4 c l ari f yin g qu e sti o ns?

2 5 MR

. BO YC E: N o, s ir.3 7

1 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. Tha n k y o u v e ry m uch.

2 Mr

. Te ja da?

3 MR

. TE JA DA: Tha n k y o u f o r l e tti n g m e go

4 s e con d

.

5 MR

. WA YL AND: No t a p rob l em.

6 MR

. TE JA DA: My n ame ' s M a tth e w T e jad a

.

7 I ' m t h e e x ecu t ive dir ec tor o f A i r A l lia n ce H ous t on,

8 f o rme r ly t he G alv e sto n Hous t on A sso c iat i on f or S mog

9 P r eve n tio n an d Mo t her s for C lea n Ai r

. W e'v e re c ent l y

1 0 r e -br a nde d ou r sel v es as Air All i anc e Ho u sto n , b u t we

1 1 c o nti n ue t o b e Ho u sto n' s le a din g he a lth and cle a n a i r

1 2 a d voc a cy n on- p rof i t.

1 3 I' d li ke to t han k th e EP A no t on l y f o r

1 4 t a kin g on the s e n e w r ul es, w hic h wi l l i m pro v e p r ote c tion

1 5 o f pu b lic hea l th, but I 'd l i ke t o t h ank you for com i ng

1 6 t o Ho u sto n

. W e a l way s love see i ng t he E PA i n H o ust o n

1 7 a n d i t se e ms t o b e a fa irly pop u lar spo t fo r yo u y' a ll.

1 8 A few spe c ifi c th i ngs i n th e ru l es, how e ver

, I

- - we

1 9 t h ink are a l i ttl e we ak er t h an t hey sho u ld b e.

2 0 Sp e cif ic ally

, th e re s hou l d b e a b ett e r

2 1 d e lin e ati o n o f de f ini ti ons o f b o ile r s a n d i n cin e rat o rs

2 2 t o en s ure tha t fa c ili ti es a r e c l ear on e xac t ly w hat is a

2 3 b o ile r an d wh a t i s an i ncin e rat o r. As w ell

, we bel i eve

2 4 t h at t he d efi n iti o n o f soli d wa s te i s t o o l e nie n t.

2 5 T h ere has bee n a l ot of tal k ov e r t h e p a st c oup l e of3 8

1 y e ars fro m EP A ab o ut pr otec t ing env i ron m ent a l j u sti c e

2 c o mmu n iti e s e n sur i ng th at e n vir o nme n tal jus t ice is a

3 p a rt o f t h e d e cis i on- ma king pro c ess of e ver y thi n g t h at

4 E P A t a kes on.

5 I t hin k that thi s is a c l ear exa m ple whe r e

6 b e tte r pr o tec t ing and b ette r se r vin g en v iro n men t al

7 j u sti c e c o mmu n iti e s w ou ld b e be t ter ser v ed b y a str i cter

8 i n ter p ret a tio n of wha t is a sol i d w a ste ; as wel l , u s ing

9 c a rbo n mo n oxi d e a s a su rrog a te f or o the r so r ts o f V O Cs,

1 0 e s pec i all y th o se w hic h we s t rug g le s o m i ldl y wi t h i n the

1 1 H o ust o n a r ea. I d on' t thin k th a t, a gai n , i s go i ng t o

1 2 s e rve env i ron m ent a l j us tice com m uni t ies wel l

.

1 3 I t hin k we n e ed b ett e r d e fin i tio n s f o r

1 4 d i ffe r ent pol l uta n ts, e spec i all y th o se w hic h ha v e a

1 5 p r ove n tr a ct r eco r d o f harm i ng p ubl i c h e alt h

. O ver a ll

1 6 t h oug h we app l aud EPA 's eff o rts to s tre n gth e n t h ese

1 7 s t and a rds or t hes e -- t hese reg u lat i ons

. F o r f a r t o o

1 8 l o ng, com

m uni t ies esp ec iall y in the Hou s ton reg i on h ave

1 9 d e alt wit h ex c ess emi ss ions fro m th i ngs suc h as

2 0 m a lfu n cti o ns, fro m th in gs s u ch a s b o ile r s a n d

2 1 i n cin e rat o rs, fro m a lo ose u se o f s o lid was t e.

2 2 At the e nd o f th e da y , w e 've hea r d a lot

2 3 a b out job s or cos t s t o indu s try

. H e re i n H o ust o n, w e

2 4 u n der s tan d th a t v e ry we ll. We h ear it e ver y ti m e a

2 5 r e gul a tio n is pro p ose d, eve r y t i me a st a nda r d is3 9

1 s t ren g the n ed, we h ear a bout job s , b u t I thi n k t h ere ' s

2 a l so a ve r y c l ear und er stan d ing amo n gst tho s e t h at

3 a c tua l ly b ear the bur de n of pol l uti o n i n th i s r e gio n

,

4 t h at e ven t ual l y t h ose c osts wil l ge t pa s sed on t o

5 r e gul a r c i tiz e ns.

6 An d th e choi c e i s no t be t wee n ha v ing tho s e

7 c o sts or n ot h avi n g t ho se c o sts ; it ' s h o w t h ose cos t s

8 w i ll b e b o rne

, an d I do n't t hin k th e EP A ne e ds t o h a ve

9 a n oth e r h e ari n g t o as k citi z ens whe t her the y wo u ld

1 0 p r efe r to bea r th o se co sts i n i n cre a sed hea l th

1 1 e x pen d itu r es o r i n cre as e to con s ume r go o ds. I t hin k the

1 2 c h oic e is cle a r, a nd I thin k th e EP A is of f ina l ly

1 3 s t art i ng t o g e t t h at, t hat w e n e ed t o p r ote c t p u blic

1 4 h e ld t o t h e m a xim u m, th at w e ne e d t o le a d i n dus t ry t o

1 5 i n nov a te, to f igu r e o ut way s to add con t rol mea s ures

1 6 t h at r edu c e e n erg y us e, but als o re d uce air emi s sio n s.

1 7 An d at t he e n d o f th e da y , f o lks wil l pay

1 8 t h ose hig h er c ost s fo r thei r co n sum e r g o ods

, bu t th e y'll

1 9 b e ab l e t o do so f rom a poi n t o f vi e w w h ere the i r --

2 0 w h ere the i r h e alt h ha s been pro t ect e d, a nd I th i nk

2 1 e v ery b ody in t his reg io n wo u ld m uch pre f er t o s p end a

2 2 l i ttl e mo r e o n th e ir co nsum e r g o ods and spe n d a lot less

2 3 o n th e ir

- - o n th e ir he alth exp e ndi t ure s

. S o w e ap p laud

2 4 t h e E P A f o r p u shi n g f or ward on t his

. W e th i nk t her e are

2 5 s o me t hin g s t h at n eed t o be fur t her imp r ove d , f u rth e r4 0

1 p r ote c ted

, bu t we sup po rt t h is a nd I th i nk t he

2 e n vir o nme n tal jus t ice c ommu n iti e s o f th i s r e gio n wi l l

3 s u ppo r t t h is r ule so I than k yo u fo r ta k ing it o n.

4 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

5 q u est i ons?

6 MR

. TH OM AS: How are you def i ning

7 " e nvi r onm e nta l ju s tic e comm u nit i es" ? Y o u h a ve t o -

- I

8 k n ow i t's a v e ry c omp li cate d is s ue.

9 MR

. TE JA DA: Yea h , t h e E P A d o esn ' t e v en

1 0 r e all y ha v e a goo d de fi niti o n o f en v iro n men t al j ust i ce

1 1 c o mmu n iti e s, a nd I th in k th a t's one of t he t hin g s t h at

1 2 N E JAC is

- - i s st r ugg li ng w i th, as w ell

, fi n din g ex a ctly

1 3 w h at i t m e ans to t ake e nvir o nme n tal jus t ice and giv e it

1 4 i t s f u ll m eas u re i n t he dec i sio n -ma k ing pro c ess

, ex a ctly

1 5 w h ere tha t co m es i nto t he d e cis i on- m aki n g p r oce s s,

1 6 e x act l y w h o a r e e n vir on ment a l j u sti c e c o mmu n iti e s.

1 7 Th a t's o ne o f th e th i ngs tha t I t hin k th a t

1 8 i s mo s t c h all e ngi n g a bo ut H o ust o n, i s t h at i t's not just

1 9 t h e u s ual sus p ect s

. I thin k mo s t o f th e te n -po i nt

2 0 c o mmu n iti e s o f ma j or in dust r y i n th e Ho u sto n ar e a a r e

2 1 o b vio u sly env i ron m ent al jus t ice com m uni t ies fol l owi n g

2 2 t h e r e gul a r i n ter p ret at ions of l ow s oci o eco n omi c le v els,

2 3 t h e r a cia l pr o fil e of t he c o mmu n ity

, it s pr o xim i ty t o

2 4 m a jor sou r ces

, is a g oo d st a rt.

2 5 Bu t es pe cial l y i n Ho u sto n , o n e o f the4 1

1 t h ing s th a t m

y or g ani za tion has bee n st r ugg l ing wit h a

2 l o t o v er t he p ast yea r is t h at w e a r e f i ndi n g s m all

, yet

3 m a jor sou r ces of p oll ut ion b uri e d w i thi n ou r en t ire

4 c o mmu n ity fro m un u sua l susp e cts

, su c h a s au t omo t ive

5 m e cha n ics

, th i ngs suc h as m e tal fab r ica t ion or

6 f o und r ies.

7 So I t hi nk t h ese sor t s o f ru l es t hat deal

8 v e ry s pec i fic a lly and a re v e ry w ell def i ned in t hin g s

9 s u ch a s a boi l er v ers us an i nci n era t or o r s o lid was t e,

1 0 e s pec i all y in the Hou st on r e gio n , w h ich I t h ink eve n by

1 1 a nar r ow d efi n iti o n o f envi r onm e nta l ju s tic e co m mun i ty

1 2 w o uld pro b abl y ha v e m or e EJ com m uni t ies tha n an y whe r e

1 3 e l se i n t h e U n ite d St at es; t hat is f urt h er m ult i pli e d

1 4 w h en y ou l ook at H ous to n it s elf bei n g t h e l a rge s t c i ty

1 5 w i tho u t a n y f o rm o f z on ing i n t h e U n ite d St a tes.

1 6 If you a ctua l ly p ull bac k th e co v er o f

1 7 H o ust o n, y ou s tar t to f ind m any com m uni t ies spr i nkl e d

1 8 t h rou g hou t th e en t ire r egio n th a t f a ce v ery spe c ifi c

,

1 9 b u t v e ry s eri o us t hre at s fr o m a i r e m iss i ons

. W e 're

2 0 d e ali n g w i th o ne a bou t a ha l f m i le f rom dow n tow n ri g ht

2 1 n o w. A h i sto r ic b lac k comm u nit y th a t h a s a bou n dar y in

2 2 t h e c e nte r of the com mu nity

, an d th a t b o und a ry f rom its

2 3 p e rmi t , w h ich was onl y take n ou t a f ew y ear s ag o , i t s

2 4 h i sto r ic o per a tio n al pr acti c es, the emi s sio n s a n d

2 5 l o cat i ons of t he d iff er ent u nit s wi t hin the fac i lity4 2

1 t h at, tha t co m mun i ty ha s be e n v e ry p oor l y s e rve d by a

2 p o or r egu l ato r y d e fin it ion o f h o w a bou n dar y of that

3 s i ze s hou l d o p era t e.

4 An d th is rul e or the s e r u les are exa c tly

5 t h e s o rt t hat nee d to b e ve r y s p eci f ic a nd v ery well

6 d e fin e d i n or d er t o b et ter p rot e ct e xac t ly t hos e so r ts

7 o f co m mun i tie s th a t d on 't h a ve t he p rof i le o f M a nch e ster

8 o r Ga l ena Par k or Bay to wn.

9 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. I wa n t

1 0 t o gi v e y o u a hea d 's- up . W e 've got a f a ir a mou n t of

1 1 o p en s lot s co m ing up he re i n th e ne x t h o ur, so t her e 's a

1 2 p o ten t ial if y ou s ign ed up b y e

- mai l or by p hon e th a t

1 3 w e 're goi n g t o tr y to m ove y ou u p i n th e pr o gra m

. S o if

1 4 y o u r e gis t ere d in adv an ce, p lea s e c h eck wit h th e -- with

1 5 t h e f r ont des k ou t th er e be c aus e we you may get mov e d up

1 6 1 5 , 2 0 , m a ybe 30 m inu te s to try to m axi m ize you r ti m e so

1 7 t h at w e'r e no t wa s tin g your tim e ha v ing you sit here

1 8 t h ink i ng y ou' r e g o ing l ater

. S o if you sig n ed u p in

1 9 a d van c e, c hec k wi t h o ne of t he p eop l e o u t f r ont bec a use

2 0 w e ma y be try i ng t o m ov e th i ngs up j ust a l i ttl e bi t to

2 1 a c com

m oda t e m o re p eop le

.

2 2 Ou r ne xt two spe a ker s ar e Ri c ard o De L aCr u z

2 3 a n d T o m R o ckw o od. An d agai n , l e t m e re m ind you

. I f you

2 4 h a ve w rit t en c omm e nts

, plea s e m a ke s ure you lea v e a copy

2 5 w i th t he l ady ove r he re who ' s t r ans c rib i ng e ver y thi n g.4 3

1 I t ma k es i t e a sie r on h er.

2 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

3 MR

. WA YL AND: Mr

. De L aCr u z, y ou c an s tart

4 w h en y ou' r e r e ady.

5 MR

. De La CRUZ : M y na m e i s Ri c ardo

6 D e LaC r uz, and I a m fr om Edi n bur g , T e xas.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: Co u ld y ou g et a li t tle bit

8 c l ose r to the mik e ?

9 MR

. De La CRUZ : M y na m e i s Ri c ard o De La

1 0 C r uz, and I a m fr o m E di nbur g , T e xas

. I ' m a mem b er o f

1 1 t h e P u lp a nd P ape r Re se arch Cou n cil and I h a ve w ork e d at

1 2 I n ter n ati o nal Pap e r f or the pas t 25 yea r s. Her e we make

1 3 c o rru g ate d bo a rd w hic h is m a de i nto cor r uga t ed b oxe s

.

1 4 T h ese are use d to pac ka ge c i tru s pr o duc e to tom a toes

1 5 t e lev i sio n s, e t c e ter a.

1 6 We hav e two c ont a ine r s a n d a she e t p l ant

1 7 i n th e co u nty of H ida lg o, T e xas

. I n to t al, our pla n ts

1 8 p r ovi d e 2 0 0 g r een job s in o u r c o unt y

. M any mil l s a r ound

1 9 t h e c o unt r y w i th g ood a nd s a fe l ine r boa r d s u ppl y us

. If

2 0 t h ese mil l s w e re t o s hu t do w n o n th e im p act of t he

2 1 b o rde r MA C T r u les

, we w ould be f orc e d t o ge t our

2 2 l i ner b oar d fr o m C h ina o r So u th A mer i ca. We have

2 3 t e sti m oni a l t h at t he li nerb o ard is t ain t ed w ith mer c ury

2 4 o r le a d. The Ame r ica n publ i c w o uld not lik e to have

2 5 t h ese pro d uct s pa c kag ed in t hes e co n tai n ers whi c h4 4

1 c o nta i n m e rcu r y o r le ad

.

2 La s t w ee k, w e re c eiv e d a box mad e in

3 M e xic o wi t h l i ner b oar d from Chi n a a n d n o on e wa n ted to

4 t o uch it f or t he f ear i t wa s ta i nte d wi t h m e rcu r y or

5 l e ad. Do we w ant thi s prod u ct c omi n g i n to t he U nit e d

6 S t ate s ? T his is t he ef fect of t he r uli n g o f MA C T a n d

7 w h at i t w o uld hol d

. Tr ees a re t he m ost pow e rful

8 c o ntr a cto r s o f ca r bon o n ea r th. Th e pa p er i ndu s try does

9 m o re t o s t ore car b on th an a n y o t her ind u str y

. F ore s ts

1 0 a n d f o res t pr o duc t s a bs orb a nd s tor e en o ugh car b on

1 1 d i oxi d e t o eq u al 1 0 p er cent of a nnu a l c a rbo n em i ssi o ns

1 2 i n th e Un i ted Sta t es. This is w ho w e a r e. We a re

1 3 A

m eri c an w ork e rs t ryi ng to s urv i ve.

1 4 I t han k you f or y our tim e , a s sis t anc e , a n d

1 5 h e lpi n g s a ve A mer i can j obs, com m uni t ies

, an d ke e ping

1 6 g r een job s in Ame r ica b y ex a min i ng t he r ais i ng l imi t s on

1 7 B o ile r MA C T.

1 8 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. K en o r

1 9 M a rc, any com m ent s or q uest i ons ? T h ank you ver y mu c h.

2 0 Mr

. Ro ck wood?

2 1 MR

. RO CK WOOD : G o od m orn i ng. My nam e is

2 2 T o m R o ckw o od, exe c uti ve vic e pr e sid e nt o f C o ast a l F o rest

2 3 R e sou r ce C omp a ny, ret ir ed. I'm a r e gis t ered

2 4 p r ofe s sio n al e ngi n eer a nd a d vis o r t o Co a sta l 's b oar d of

2 5 d i rec t ors.4 5

1 Co a sta l appr e cia t es h avi n g t h e o p por t uni t y

2 t o sp e ak t oda y

. C oas ta l is a s m all

, pr i vat e ly o wned

3 f o res t pr o duc t s c o mpa ny tha t ma n ufa c tur e s s o ftw o od,

4 p l ywo o d, l umb e r, a nd pr essu r ed- t rea t ed p rod u cts

. We

5 h a ve 7 00 e mpl o yee s , e ig ht p l ant s , a n d 2 5 0,0 0 0 a c res of

6 t i mbe r lan d s i n 11 sta te s on the Eas t Co a st. Tw o -th i rds

7 o f ou r em

p loy e es a re mi nori t ies

, an d we are the lar g est

8 e m plo y er i n t w o o f th e most eco n omi c all y di s adv a nta g ed

9 c o unt i es i n A l aba m a a nd Flo r ida

. C o ast a l d i rec t ly

1 0 s u ppo r ts o ver 200 tru ck ers, 200 log g ers

, 1, 0 00

1 1 l a ndo w ner s fr o m w h om we buy tim b er e ach yea r , a n d

1 2 h u ndr e ds m ore sup p lie rs . C o ast a l i n dir e ctl y su p por t s

1 3 t h ous a nds mor e

.

1 4 Th e pr op osed Boi l er M ACT rul e wo u ld h it

1 5 t h e C o ast a l c o mmu n ity v ery h ard eco n omi c all y

. C oas t al's

1 6 c o st t o c o mpl y mi g ht ap proa c h $ 4 0 m i lli o n o f ca p ital

1 7 c o sts

, wh i ch w oul d be a tou g h p i ll t o s w all o w f o r a

1 8 c o mpa n y t h at i s i n a su per- c omp e tit i ve, low

- mar g in

1 9 i n dus t ry, and who s e a nn ual s ale s is onl y $2 0 0 m i lli o n.

2 0 A d dit i ona l an n ual ope ra ting and mai n ten a nce cos t s c o uld

2 1 a p pro a ch $ 2 m i lli o n a y ear. Fo r tun a tel y , C o ast a l i s one

2 2 o f th e be s t p e rfo r mer s in t h e i n dus t ry a nd w ould

2 3 p r oba b ly f igu r e o u t a w ay t o st a y i n bu s ine s s. How e ver,

2 4 I can ass u re y ou t hat m any c omp a nie s in our ind u str y

,

2 5 m o st o f w h om h ave los t mill i ons of d oll a rs o ver the past4 6

1 t h ree or f our yea r s, wo uld c hoo s e t o si m ply sto p the

2 b l eed i ng a nd s hut dow n.

3 Co a sta l wish e s t o ma k e s i x p o ints

4 r e gar d ing the pro p ose d rule : O n e, n ot e nou g h d a ta.

5 C o ast a l g e ner a lly agr ee s wi t h E P A's sub c ate g ori z ati o n of

6 u n its

, bu t th e re s ult in g la r ge n umb e r o f su b cat e gor i es

7 f r act u red the dat a bas e into pie c es t hat are too sma l l to

8 b e us e d t o co n fid e ntl y esta b lis h ap p rop r iat e li m its.

9 C o ast a l b e lie v es t hat C ongr e ss' s in t ent was tha t EP A be

1 0 c o nfi d ent tha t th e li mi ts i t se t s a r e a p pro p ria t e. EPA

1 1 c a nno t be con f ide n t t ha t a l imi t ba s ed o n o n ly o ne o r

1 2 t w o s t ack tes t s i s ap pr opri a te.

1 3 Se c ond

, the d ata is s kew e d. Whe n EPA

1 4 r e cog n ize d th a t i t la ck ed s u ffi c ien t da t a, i t r e qui r ed

1 5 s e lec t ed u nit s to gen er ate m ore dat a

. T hos e un i ts w ere

1 6 g e ner a lly bet t er p erf or ming uni t s s o th e pr o pos e d l i mits

1 7 r e fle c t p e rfo r man c e o f the b est 12 p erc e nt o f t h e b e st

1 8 r a the r th a n p e rfo r man ce of t he b est 12 p erc e nt o f t h e

1 9 e n tir e po p ula t ion as Co ngre s s i n ten d ed.

2 0 Th i rd, t oo m u ch n on- d ete c t d a ta.

2 1 N o n-d e tec t da t a h e avi ly inf l uen c ed t he p rop o sed lim i ts.

2 2 F o r e x amp l e, f or D /F, f or b i oma s s s t oke r s, a ll s ix t est

2 3 r u ns a re n on- d ete c t, an d fo u r o f si x ar e no n -de t ect for

2 4 T E Q D / F. Coa s tal dou bt s th a t E P A i s co n fid e nt t hat the

2 5 p r opo s ed l imi t is app re ciat e d a s in t end e d b y Co n gre s s.4 7

1 L o w e m iss i ons tha t ar e on t h e s a me o rde r of mag n itu d e as

2 t h e t e st d ete c tio n li mi t sh o uld be d eem e d i n sig n ifi c ant

3 a n d h a ve n o l i mit s

.

4 Fo u rth

, the p oll u tan t -by

- pol l uta n t

5 a p pro a ch i s w r ong

. C oa stal bel i eve s th a t C o ngr e ss

6 i n ten d ed t he b est per fo rmin g 12 per c ent uni t s be

7 d e ter m ine d ba s ed o n a ll pol l uta n ts c omb i ned

, not

8 p o llu t ant

- by- p oll u tan t as p r opo s ed. Co a sta l re q ues t s

9 t h at p oll u tan t s b e we ig hed b ase d on -- w eig h ted bas e d on

1 0 r e lat i ve t oxi c ity

, th at wei g hte d em i ssi o n t o tal s be

1 1 c a lcu l ate d fo r ea c h u ni t, a n d t h e b e st p erf o rmi n g 12

1 2 p e rce n t b e de t erm i ned b ased on t hos e to t als

. F e w, i f

1 3 a n y, b oil e rs c an c omp ly tod a y w i th t he p rop o sed rule

1 4 p r inc i pal l y b e cau s e o f the p rop o sed

1 5 p o llu t ant

- by- p oll u tan t appr o ach ; ce r tai n ly n ot h alf of

1 6 t h e 1 2 pe r cen t or 6 p er cent

. B y de f ini t ion

, at lea s t

1 7 6 per c ent wou l d b e ab le to c omp l y t o day as C ong r ess

1 8 i n ten d ed i f l i mit s we re bas e d o n th e to t al e mis s ion s of

1 9 t h e b e st 1 2 p e rce n t u ni ts.

2 0 Fi f th, c onve r sio n to nat u ral gas

. T h e

2 1 p r opo s ed r ule wou l d c au se m a ny b iom a ss b oil e rs t o

2 2 c o nve r t t o na t ura l ga s beca u se t hat wou l d b e th e on l y

2 3 o p tio n th e y c o uld aff or d. I f C o ast a l s w itc h ed, its

2 4 a n nua l na t ura l ga s co st wou l d b e $1 0 mi l lio n a y ear and

2 5 1 5 0,0 0 0 t o ns o f w o od fu el w o uld pil e up som e whe r e. If4 8

1 a l l U

. S. s oft w ood pan el and lum b er p rod u cer s sw i tch e d,

2 t h e a n nua l co s t w o uld b e $1

- to $2 b ill i on, we w ould

3 c o nsu m e 1

- to 2 p e rce nt of t ota l U. S . n a tur a l g a s

4 w i thd r aws

, wh i ch w oul d sign i fic a ntl y di s rup t th e na t ural

5 g a s m a rke t , a n d 2 0 mi ll ion t ons of w ood fue l wo u ld b e

6 p i led up s ome w her e to r ot, w hic h de f ini t ely wou l dn' t be

7 g r een.

8 Nu m ber s ix, t he f ina l ru l e s h oul d in c lude

9 a n op t ion for hea l th- ba sed s tan d ard s

. T he p rop o sed rule

1 0 w o uld for c e m a ny h arm le ss r u ral fac i lit i es t hat pose

1 1 a b sol u tel y no ris k to h uman hea l th o r t h e e n vir o nme n t to

1 2 e i the r in s tal l un n ece ss ary a nd c ost l y c o ntr o ls o r s h ut

1 3 d o wn. Co a sta l en c our ag es E P A t o es t abl i sh h eal t h-b a sed

1 4 e m iss i on l imi t s t o be a ppli e d o n a f aci l ity

- by- f aci l ity

1 5 b a sis in o rde r to avo id con t rol whe r e i t ca n be

1 6 d e mon s tra t ed t hat emi ss ions are saf e

.

1 7 Co a sta l and I th a nk y ou f or l ist e nin g and

1 8 c o nsi d eri n g o u r c o mme nt s.

1 9 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

,

2 0 M r . R o ckw o od. Ke n or M arc?

2 1 MR

. TH OM AS: No, sir.

2 2 MR

. WA YL AND: Th e -- lik e I' v e a s ked the

2 3 o t her spe a ker s , y o u m en tion e d t h e e r ror s wi t h t h e -

- the

2 4 d a ta a nd t he s ubc a teg or izat i on. Wi l l y o u o r on e of your

2 5 m a jor tra d e a s soc i ati on s be pro v idi n g w r itt e n c o mme n ts4 9

1 t o he l p u s id e nti f y w he re w e ma d e t h ose err o rs a nd w here

2 a d dit i ona l da t a m i ght b e he l pfu l ?

3 MR

. RO CK WOOD : Y e s, w e'l l pr o vid e so m e

4 s p eci f ic c omm e nts on th at.

5 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. Bec a use I m e an, we' v e

6 h e ard

, bo t h i n th i s h ea ring alr e ady tod a y a n d t h e

7 h e ari n g l a st w eek in D. C., t hat the r e w e re p rob l ems with

8 t h e d a ta, so h elp i ng us und e rst a nd a nd i den t ify whe r e

9 t h ose pro b lem s ar e wi ll be i mpo r tan t to us, so

- -

1 0 MR

. RO CK WOOD : W e ll, I'm sur e AF and PA

1 1 w i ll p rov i de s ome com me nts, but we w ill

, as wel l

.

1 2 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. Tha n k y o u v e ry m uch.

1 3 T h ank you

, si r

.

1 4 Ou r ne xt two spe a ker s th i s m o rni n g w i ll b e

1 5 Z a c T r aha n an d Vi r gin ia Fug m an.

1 6 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

1 7 MR

. WA YL AND: Yo u ca n st a rt w hen you ' re

1 8 r e ady.

1 9 MR

. TR AH AN: Fir s t o f al l , m y na m e's Zac

2 0 T r aha n

. I 'm w ith the T exas Cam p aig n fo r the

2 1 E n vir o nme n t, w hic h is a sta t e-b a sed

, no n -pr o fit

2 2 o r gan i zat i on w ith off ic es h e re i n H o ust o n a n d i n D/ F W

2 3 a n d C e ntr a l T e xas

. W e want to t han k yo u fo r th i s

2 4 o p por t uni t y t o te s tif y toda y

. W e a p pre c iat e yo u r

2 5 h o ldi n g a hea r ing her e in H o ust o n t o al l ow u s t o co m e5 0

1 a n d s p eak.

2 We rep re sent ten s of tho u san d s o f me m ber s

,

3 g r ass r oot s su p por t ers t hrou g hou t th e st a te. Al s o, w e

4 h a ve m any sta f f m e mbe rs who wil l be her e th i s m o rni n g to

5 t e sti f y t h rou g hou t th e cour s e o f th e mo r nin g

. W e w a nt

6 t o de f ini t ely enc o ura ge you and tha n k y o u f o r y o ur

7 p r opo s ed r ule s fo r bo il er a n d h e at p roc e sse r em i ssi o ns.

8 W e th i nk t his is a re al pos i tiv e st e p t o li m it t he a ir

9 p o llu t ion her e in Hou st on a n d a l l o v er t he c oun t ry.

1 0 Pu t tin g spec i fic lim i ts o n v e ry t oxi c air

1 1 p o llu t ant s th a t p u t o ur kid s in Hou s ton in t he h osp i tal

1 2 i s a v ery

, ve r y p o sit iv e st e p a n d y o u'r e to be a ppl a uded

1 3 f o r t h at a nd e nco u rag ed to m ake tho s e r u les as s tro n g as

1 4 p o ssi b le. We kno w th at the ind u str y lo b byi s ts w ill

--

1 5 w i ll l obb y fo r th e se be fore the y ar e fi n all y ad o pte d

,

1 6 b u t w e wo u ld e nco u rag e you t o k e ep t hem str o ng a nd a dopt

1 7 t h em a s s o on a s p o ssi bl e.

1 8 We do ho weve r wa n t t o vo i ce o ppo s iti o n to

1 9 y o ur p rop o sed def i nit io n of sol i d w a ste

, an d ma n y o f our

2 0 s t aff mem b ers wil l sp ea k to tha t , a s we l l. All o wing

2 1 h a zar d ous and tox i c m at eria l s t o be put int o in d ust r ial

2 2 b o ile r s a n d i n cin e rat or s un d er t he g uid e of sol i d w a ste

2 3 o r fu e l w o uld do t he op posi t e o f th e ot h er p rop o sed

2 4 e m iss i ons lim i ts. It w ould put mor e to x ic m ate r ials

2 5 i n to o ur a ir i n T e xas a nd t h rou g hou t th e co u ntr y

.5 1

1 I' v e b ee n wo r kin g wi t h T e xas Cam p aig n for

2 t h e E n vir o nme n t f o r a bo ut e i ght yea r s, s o t h is E PA

3 a d min i str a tio n , b y fa r and a way

, ha s be e n t h e s t ron g est,

4 t h e m o st p rot e cte d of p ubli c he a lth sta n dar d s a n d a i r

5 s t and a rds and wat e r s ta ndar d s. Dec i sio n af t er d eci s ion,

6 r u lin g af t er r uli n g, I' ve s e en t he E PA t ake ste p s i n the

7 p a st y ear and a h a lf th at a r e j u st g ood new s af t er n ews.

8 Th i s i s real l y t h e f i rst tim e th a t I ' ve

9 c o me t o a n EP A to say t hat t hat pro p osa l is a b a d i d ea,

1 0 s o I' m -- and in o ur or gani z ati o n i s ve r y a c tua l ly

1 1 s h ock e d, f ran k ly, tha t -- t h at y ou p rop o se t o d e fine

1 2 t o xic s ma t eri a ls a s s ol id w a ste and fue l in ind u str i al

1 3 b o ile r s. The EPA can d efin i tel y do bet t er t han tha t

.

1 4 T h e E P A h a s d o ne b ett er ove r th e ye a r a n d a hal f . I

1 5 k n ow, in s eei n g t h e d ec isio n s t h at y ou' v e m a de

1 6 p r evi o usl y , t h at t he EP A ca n co m e u p wi t h a bet t er

1 7 d e fin i tio n of sol i d w as te, t hat ' s m o re p rot e cti v e of

1 8 p u bli c he a lth.

1 9 Th a t's r eall y wh a t o u r s t aff mem b ers will

2 0 t e sti f y t o day

. I dou bt tha t al l of us w ill tak e our

2 1 w h ole six min u tes and g ive y ou a lo t of tec h nic a l

2 2 d e tai l s. But for us, t his i s a ver y si m ple mat t er o f

2 3 a i r q u ali t y i n Ho u sto n and t hro u gho u t t h e c o unt r y, a nd

2 4 w e ca n 't j ust def i ne so meth i ng i f i t 's t oxi c ma t eri a l

2 5 a n d h a zar d ous mat e ria l and w ill poi s on o ur a ir. We5 2

1 c a n't jus t de f ine it as oka y , a n d f u el, and all o w i t to

2 b e bu r ned.

3 I k now i t's a co s t i s sue for ind u str y , a n d

4 t h ey' l l a r gue cos t s u nt il t h ey' r e b l ue i n t h e f a ce, but

5 i t co s ts u s, t oo, if th at s t uff end s up in t he a ir. So

6 t h at' s my pie c e. Tha nk s ve r y m u ch f or h avi n g m e

.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

8 A n ybo d y h a ve a ny q ues ti ons?

9 MR

. BO YC E: N o, s ir.

1 0 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

1 1 Vi r gin ia ?

1 2 MS

. FU GM AN: Tha n k y o u v e ry m uch for

1 3 h a vin g a p ubl i c h e ari ng for thi s

. W e r e all y ap p rec i able

1 4 i t , a n d t h is i s f i rst t ime t hat I'v e ev e r a c tua l ly c ome

1 5 t o a p ubl i c h e ari n g t o spea k to the EPA

. T h is i s p r etty

1 6 e x cit i ng.

1 7 I a lso a m wi t h T e xas Cam p aig n fo r the

1 8 E n vir o nme n t, w ith the o rgan i zat i on f or a bou t th r ee a nd a

1 9 h a lf y ear s , a n d I fee l real l y p r ivi l ege to w ork for a

2 0 n o n-p r ofi t th a t f o cus es on t he e nvi r onm e nt t hat has a

2 1 b r oad arr a y o f pe o ple

, and i n m y on l y p e rso n al l ife

, I

2 2 w o rk d o a s mu c h a s I ca n; I rid e my by b ike to w ork

, I

2 3 q u it

- - I qui t sm o kin g ciga r ett e s, I am a v e get a ria n

.

2 4 I w ork t o do as m uch as I pe r son a lly can

2 5 t o do wha t I c an f or th e en v iro n men t , a n d s o no w I5 3

1 r e all y do

-- I ne e d t he EPA to s tep up a nd d o w h at I

2 c a nno t to reg u lat e th e indu s try

, yo u kn o w, a s m u ch a s --

3 a s mu c h a s ev e ry s ing le per s on i n t h e w o rld can do w hat

4 t h ey c an. If the ind us try i sn' t re g ula t ed, the y 're

5 g o ing to d o w h ate v er th ey w a nt t o, a nd s o I jus t wa n t to

6 s a y t h ank you

, fi r st of all

, fo r st r eng t hen i ng e mis s ions

7 s t and a rds for ind u str y.

8 I t hin k the E PA h as b een doi n g a gre a t j o b

9 l a tel y , a n d I app r eci at e al l th a t y o u h a ve d one

, bu t of

1 0 c o urs e , w h en l oop h ole s are a llo w ed t o h a ppe n wh e re y ou

1 1 c a n't bur n an ent i re ti re i n a b oil e r f o r e n erg y , b u t

1 2 y o u c a n c h ip i t u p an d burn it a s i f th a t's a l o t of

1 3 c h ang e fo r th e us e of t hese tir e s t o bu r n i t fo r en e rgy.

1 4 I -- I do n 't s ee

- - I d on't see the log i c. I d o n't see

1 5 t h e l o gic in a llo w ing t hat c hip p ed u p t i re t o b e bu r ned

1 6 f o r e n erg y , a n d s o I ve ry m u ch

- - i f th e in d ust r y h a s to

1 7 s p end a l i ttl e bi t mo re mon e y t o bu r n c l ean thi n gs o r to

1 8 p r ote c t t h e a i r q u ali ty and all o w -

- yo u kn o w, t he

1 9 n u mbe r on e re a son my ki ds m i ss s cho o l t h ese day s is

2 0 a s thm a

. Y ou k now

, it 's com p let e ly p rev e nta b le. An d so

2 1 w e ve r y m u ch n eed to do as m uch as w e c a n d o fo r the

2 2 p e opl e th a t c a n't do an ythi n g f o r t h ems e lve s , e s pec i ally

2 3 f o lks rig h t a r oun d th es e fa c ili t ies.

2 4 An d so I jus t -- I'm put t ing my

- - my

2 5 f a ith in y ou g uys tha t you' r e g o nna do w hat I c a n't

, and5 4

1 t h at' s to reg u lat e th e big i ndu s tri e s, s o p l eas e pr o tect

2 t h e a i r. Tha t 's a ll I have to s ay. Th a nk y ou.

3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

4 c l ari f yin g qu e sti o ns fr om y o u g u ys?

5 (N o ve rb al a n swe r .)

6 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. T han k s

7 f o r c o min g

. O kay

. T he nex t tw o sp e ake r s w i ll b e D i anne

8 A g uir r e a n d G e org e Ch ri stia n

. A nd i f I ' ve m isp r ono u nced

9 y o ur n ame

, I' m so r ry.

1 0 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

1 1 MS

. AG UI RRE: No

, yo u di d a g ood job.

1 2 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou.

1 3 MS

. AG UI RRE: So fir s t o f al l , I wan t to

1 4 s a y t h ank you ver y mu ch for hol d ing thi s he a rin g and

1 5 a l low i ng e ver y bod y to c ome a nd, you kno w , s a y h o w t h ey

1 6 f e el a bou t th i s. I a m also wit h th e Te x as C amp a ign for

1 7 t h e E n vir o nme n t a n d, ye ah, y ou k now

, we all try do o ur

1 8 p a rt t o, y ou k now

, pr ot ect t he e nvi r onm e nt; I r i de m y

1 9 b i ke t o w o rk e ver y da y, but I w o uld nev e r b e ab l e to

2 0 r e duc e , y o u k n ow, emi ss ions of m erc u ry b y 1 5 ,00 0 po u nds

2 1 e v ery yea r , w h ich is wh at t h ese reg u lat i ons wou l d be

2 2 d o ing

, so tha t ju s t r ea lly s pea k s o f th e po w er o f t h e

2 3 E P A t o im

p rov e th e qu al ity o f p e opl e 's l ive s

.

2 4 Bu t ju st , yo u kn o w, a llo w ing the s e

2 5 l o oph o les to r ema i n i n the l egi s lat i on, you kno w , to5 5

1 b u rn t oxi c wa s te i n i nd ustr i al b oil e rs, tha t -- I f e el

2 l i ke t hat rea l ly u nde rm ines the sma l l s a cri f ice s th a t we

3 a l l m a ke e ver y da y to i mpro v e t h e p l ane t

. S o y e ah, I

4 d e fin i tel y wa n t t o en co urag e yo u to rem o ve t hose

5 l o oph o les and

, yo u kn ow , ho l d i n dus t ry a cco u nta b le e ven

6 i f th e y h a ve t o p a y a l ittl e bi t mo r e m o ney

. A n d t h at's

7 a l l I hav e to say.

8 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

9 q u est i ons ? T h ank you v ery m uch.

1 0 Mr

. Ch ri stia n ?

1 1 MR

. CH RI STIA N : M y n a me i s G e orge

1 2 C h ris t ian

. I ' m a n at to rney in A ust i n, T exa s an d to d ay

1 3 s p eak i ng o n b e hal f of t he A m eri c an F ore s t G r oup Pap e r

1 4 A s soc i ati o n a n d t h e T ex as F o res t In d ust r ies Cou n cil

, and

1 5 A F & P A h a s p r ese n ted t esti m ony in w rit i ng a nd i n o r al

1 6 f o rm i n A r lin g ton so I won' t re i ter a te t hos e po i nts

. I

1 7 j u st w ant e d t o ma k e t hr ee o r fo u r p o int s ab o ut t he

1 8 i n dus t ry a s i t ap p lie s to T e xas spe c ifi c all y

.

1 9 Th e fo re st p r odu c ts i ndu s try is a ve r y

2 0 s i gni f ica n t b u sin e ss in Tex a s, p art i cul a rly in t he

2 1 e a ste r n q u art e r o f th e stat e , a n d i n 44 cou n tie s of deep

2 2 E a st T exa s we hav e th re e -- the thr e e r e mai n ing pap e r

2 3 m i lls are loc a ted in de ep E a st T exa s

. T hey emp l oy 3 ,500

2 4 w o rke r s d i rec t ly, and t he i n dus t ry i s a s a w hol e em p loys

2 5 a b out 54, 0 00 w ork e rs ac ross the sta t e, a nd I th i nk w e5 6

1 h e ard fro m on e of tho se thi s mo r nin g fr o m a box pla n t in

2 t h e v a lle y

.

3 Th e in du stry is d ist r ibu t ed t hro u gho u t t h e

4 s t ate

. I t is dep e nda nt upo n th e Ea s t T e xas for e st f or

5 i t s r a w m a ter i als and i s a r ura l in d ust r y a n d an

6 i n dus t ry t hat is n ot co ncen t rat e d l a rge l y i n in d ust r ial

7 a r eas of t he s tat e

. An d so I w a nte d to poi n t o u t, t hat

8 a s th e ru l es s tan d , t he y co u ld h ave sig n ifi c ant imp a ct

9 o n ru r al e con o mie s , b ec ause it' s no t -- not a

1 0 s h ip- c han n el i ssu e fo r the f ore s t p r oje c ts i ndu s try.

1 1 Th e se co nd p o int I w a nte d to mak e is just

1 2 t o re i ter a te t he b iom as s is s ue. Th e bo i ler s th a t a r e in

1 3 u s e i n th e pu l p a n d p ap er m i lls

, in thi s st a te, have

1 4 g o ne p red o min a ntl y to b ioma s s r a the r th a n n a tur a l g a s or

1 5 o t her fos s il f uel s

. We are try i ng t o p u sh f or c arb o n

1 6 n e utr a lit y

. W e h a ve a grea t de a l o f bi o mas s av a ila b le

1 7 i n Te x as f or u se i n o ur boi l ers and we a re a dap t ing that

1 8 a s mu c h a s we can.

1 9 We wou ld lik e th e EP A an d th e ot h er

- -

2 0 b o th s tat e an d fe d era l gove r nme n ts t hat are res p ons i ble

2 1 f o r e n erg y po l icy to pu ll t o get h er a nd t o s e e i f

--

2 2 i f

-- mak e su r e t h at wh at w e do in o ne a rea doe s n't

2 3 i m pai r th e in c ent i ves t hat a re i n p l ace for bio m ass use.

2 4 A n d w e wo u ld j ust urg e EPA t o l o ok a t t h at i ssu e an d to

2 5 m a ke s ure tha t al l of t hese pol i cie s ar e ru n ning5 7

1 c o nsi s ten t ly w ith eac h othe r

.

2 An d th e thir d is s ue I wo u ld l ike to

- - to

3 a l so j ust rei t era t e t ha t AF & P A wi l l b e he l pin g to

4 p r ovi d e t h e d a ta t hat y ou -

- yo u se e k w i th r ega r d t o the

5 h e alt h

-- hea l th- b ase d emis s ion iss u e, a nd w e p l edg e to

6 w o rk w ith you on t hat a nd s e e i f we can hel p yo u fo c us

7 o n th a t i s sue wit h so me goo d da t a, a nd w e w i ll b e

8 h e lpi n g t o pr o vid e th at . T h ose are my c omm e nts.

9 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

1 0 c l ari f yin g ?

1 1 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

1 2 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. T his

1 3 i s th e la s t -

- th e la st two spe a ker s I h ave nam e s f o r.

1 4 I f th e re' s an y one in th e ro o m t h at h asn ' t s p oke n th a t

1 5 w o uld lik e to spe a k, fe el f r ee t o c h eck wit h th e ta b le

1 6 a n d y o u c a n p r oba b ly go now if y ou w ant to.

1 7 UN I DEN TI FIED SPE A KER : T h ere are som e of

1 8 u s th a t h a ve p rer e gis te red t hat we k now are on t he l ist

1 9 b u t f o r l a ter tod a y.

2 0 MR

. WA YL AND: If you wan t to che c k w i th

2 1 t h e -

- th e pe o ple out f ront

, th e y c a n p r oba b ly m ove you

2 2 u p if you wan t

.

2 3 UN I DEN TI FIED SPE A KER : W e 've giv e n t h em

2 4 p e rmi s sio n to do t hat.

2 5 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. All i son may have5 8

1 g o tte n pu l led awa y on s omet h ing els e

. I te l l y o u w h at.

2 I t 's a bou t 10 : 15. Wh y don' t we tak e a

- - w e 'll rec e ss

3 t h e h e ari n g f o r t e n m in utes to l et y ou h ave a c h anc e to

4 u s e t h e r e str o om a nd ge t so m eth i ng t o d r ink if y ou w ant,

5 s o we ' ll t ake a b r ief t en-m i nut e re c ess and we' l l c o me

6 b a ck h ere abo u t 1 0 :25.

7 (R e ces s take n fr o m 1 0 :15 a.m

. to 10: 2 9

8 a. m .)

9 MR

. WA YL AND: We ' re g oin g to rec o nve n e t h e

1 0 h e ari n g a n d g o ba c k t o hear i ng p ubl i c c o mme n ts o n t h e

1 1 p r opo s ed r ule s th a t w e disc u sse d ea r lie r

. J ust to

1 2 r e min d yo u , y o u h a ve si x mi n ute s to mak e yo u r

1 3 s t ate m ent s

. T hos e ha ve gon e be f ore you hav e be e n v e ry

1 4 g o od t o s t ick to t hat s o th a t w e ca n gi v e e v ery b ody

1 5 t h eir fai r op p ort u nit y to s p eak.

1 6 So at th is t i me I 'd l ike to c all

1 7 E d die Bur c h a n d J i m S im on t o th e ta b le t o t e sti f y.

1 8 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

1 9 MR

. WA YL AND: Is Jim Sim o n i n th e ro o m?

2 0 O h , w e ll. He ' ll s how u p. I ma y ha v e t h row him for a

2 1 l o op w hen we t ook a r ec ess. So we' l l s t art wit h yo u and

2 2 t h en i f w e ne e d t o sw it ch, w e'l l go tha t wa y

.

2 3 MR

. BU RC H: G ood mor n ing

. M y na m e is

2 4 E d die Way n e B u rch

. I l ive i n H a mbu r g, A rka n sas

, and

2 5 w o rk f or G eor g ia- P aci fi c in Cro s set t , A r kan s as. I a m a5 9

1 m e mbe r of the Uni t ed St eelw o rke r s U n ion and a r e gio n al

2 s e cre t ary for the Pul p and P ape r wor k ers Res o urce

3 C o unc i l. I h a ve w ork ed for Geo r gia

- Pac i fic for 31 y ears

4 a n d c u rre n tly wor k in t he p u lp m ill.

5 A s hor t hist o ry a bou t ou r mi l l i s , w e --

6 t h ey e mpl o y a p pro x ima te ly 1

, 200 emp l oye e s. We h ave

7 s e ven har d woo d ba t ch di gest e rs a nd s ix p ine bat c h

8 d i ges t ers

. W e su p ply e ight pap e r m a chi n es; two

9 c o mmu n ica t ion pap e rs, o ne c o nta i ner boa r d m a chi n e, a nd

1 0 f i ve t iss u e m a chi n es. Our m ill is o ne o f

1 1 G e org i a-P a cif i c's lar ge st m i lls

. O u r b i gge s t p r odu c ts

1 2 a r e A n gel Sof t Ti s sue a nd S p ark l e T o wel s

. W e a l so h ave

1 3 a ply w ood pla n t, c hem ic al m i ll, and ext r usi o n p l ant all

1 4 a t th e sa m e m i ll s ite

. In 1 997

, Ge o rgi a -Pa c ifi c ad d ed

1 5 t h e e i ght h pa p er m ach in e at our mil l ad d ing som e 100

1 6 j o bs. Th i s w a s $ 1 20 mi llio n ca p ita l im p rov e men t

.

1 7 No w , I w ould lik e to tal k to you abo u t t h e

1 8 p r opo s ed B oil e r M A CT ru le t h e E P A i s sue d on Jun e 4t h

.

1 9 T h e p r opo s ed B oil e r M AC T ru l e c o uld str i ke a se v ere blow

2 0 t o th e ma n ufa c tur i ng ec onom y an d is far mor e th a n is

2 1 n e ede d to pro t ect our e nvir o nme n t. The cos t to

2 2 i n div i dua l mi l ls c oul d be t e ns o f m i lli o ns o f d o lla r s in

2 3 a d dit i ona l ca p ita l ex pe ndit u res

, wh i ch m ay n ot b e

2 4 s u sta i nab l e g i ven the d own t he e con o my a nd f ier c e

2 5 i n ter n ati o nal com p eti ti vene s s. No o the r co u ntr y in the6 0

1 w o rld is i mpo s ing req ui reme n ts l ike the s e p u tti n g U

. S.

2 m a nuf a ctu r ers at a co mp etit i ve d isa d van t age.

3 Sm a ll fa cili t ies suc h as saw m ill s , w h ich

4 a r e a big sup p lie r of r aw m a ter i als to p ape r mi l ls, will

5 a l so b e s e ver e ly a nd ec onom i cal l y h a rme d by EPA ' s b o iler

6 r u les for so- c all e d a re a so u rce s ev e n t h oug h th e ir

7 e m iss i ons are tin y an d not h arm f ul. We bel i eve the EPA

8 s h oul d no t se t nu m eri ca l li m its for the s e b o ile r s

9 l o cat e d i n sm a ll m ill s, but ins t ead set goo d co m bus t ion

1 0 p r act i ces and tun e -up r equi r eme n ts t hat wil l ac h iev e the

1 1 s a me r esu l ts a t a far l ower cos t

. T he E PA s hou l d u s e

1 2 i t s o w n d i scr e tio n so a s no t to bur d en f aci l iti e s t h at

1 3 a r e s t ill hur t ing fro m the b uil d ing dow n tur n

.

1 4 Gi v en th e jo b les s na t ure of t he e con o my

1 5 r e cov e ry, the rul e mak in g wi l l a d d e x ces s ive bur d ens to

1 6 t h e e x pen s e o f th e ma nu fact u rin g wo r ker s

. T he t otal

1 7 c a pit a l c o sts jus t fo r the f ore s t p r odu c ts i ndu s try

1 8 a l one are est i mat e d a t abou t $7 bil l ion

, an d th e co s ts

1 9 f o r a l l m a nuf a ctu r ing c ould be b etw e en $ 20 t o

2 0 $ 5 0 b i lli o n. A w i de ra nge o f s e cto r s a n d t h e j o bs t hey

2 1 s u sta i n w o uld be s eve re ly h a rme d

.

2 2 Ge o rgi a- Paci f ic s upp o rts eff o rts to

2 3 a d dre s s s e rio u s h e alt h thre a ts f rom air emi s sio n s, a nd

2 4 s u ppo r ts r egu l ati o ns th at s u sta i n b o th t he e nvi r onm e nt

2 5 a n d t h e n e arl y 90 0 ,00 0 men a nd w ome n th a t o u r i n dus t ry6 1

1 e m plo y s. Unf o rtu n ate ly , th e ru l e p r opo s ed b y E P A in

2 J u ne d oes not acc o mpl is h th e se o bje c tiv e s.

3 Ge o rgi a- Paci f ic i s p r epa r ed t o w o rk w ith

4 t h e E P A t o pr o tec t bo th pub l ic h eal t h a n d j o bs b y

5 t a rge t ing env i ron m ent al inv e stm e nts whe r e t h ere is a

6 r e al n eed

. I f th e EP A were to p rov i de m ore fle x ible

7 a p pro a che s in the Boi le r MA C T r u le a nd a ppr o pri a tely

8 a d dre s s t h e d i ver s ity b oile r s, o per a tio n s, s ect o rs, and

9 f u els

, it cou l d a c hie ve its goa l wh i le p rev e nti n g s e vere

1 0 j o b l o sse s an d bi l lio ns of d oll a rs i n u n nec e ssa r y

1 1 r e gul a tor y co s ts.

1 2 Tr e es ar e th e mo s t p o wer f ul c onc e ntr a tors

1 3 o f ca r bon on e art h

. Th e pa p er i ndu s try doe s mo r e to

1 4 s t ore car b on t han any o ther ind u str y

. C arb o n i s st o red

1 5 w i thi n th e pr o duc t ; p ap er, b oar d s, w ood and fur n itu r e.

1 6 M o re t ree s ar e pl a nte d to h e lp m ana g e t h e f o res t , a n d

1 7 t h ese new tre e s h e lp ab sorb car b on. Fo r est s an d fo r est

1 8 p r odu c ts a bso r b a n d s to re e n oug h ca r bon dio x ide to e qual

1 9 1 0 pe r cen t of the ann ua l ca r bon emi s sio n s i n th e U. S

.

2 0 O n av e rag e , p a per and w ood p rod u ct m ill s ge n era t e

2 1 6 5 pe r cen t of the i r o wn ene r gy n eed s fr o m r e new a ble

2 2 b i oma s s. Our inc r eas in g us e of ren e wab l e e n erg y has

2 3 a l low e d t h e i n dus t ry to red u ce i ts u se o f

2 4 c a rbo n -in t ens i ve f oss il s fu e ls a nd p urc h ase d en e rgy per

2 5 t o n o f pr o duc t 19 per ce nt s i nce 200 0

. T his ind u str y has6 2

1 c o nti n ual l y i n cre a sed e ffor t s t o re c ove r re c ycl e d p a per

2 w h ich sav e s s p ace in la ndfi l ls, red u ces met h ane

3 e m iss i ons and min i miz es was t e. The for e st p rod u cts

4 i n dus t ry i s t h e l e adi ng pro d uce r of car b on n eut r al

5 r e new a ble bio m ass ene rg y an d pr o duc e s m o re e ner g y f r om

6 b i oma s s t h an a ll t he en ergy pro d uce d fr o m s o lar

, wi n d,

7 a n d g e oth e rma l so u rce s comb i ned.

8 Th i s i s who w e a r e, b ut m ost imp o rta n tly,

9 w e ar e Am e ric a n w o rke rs try i ng t o s u rvi v e. We h unt,

1 0 f i sh, and lov e th e en vi ronm e nt. We all wan t cl e an a ir,

1 1 w e al s o b e lie v e i n th e bala n ce b etw e en p rot e cti n g t h e

1 2 e n vir o nme n t a n d p r ese rv ing A mer i can job s

. W e b e lie v e

1 3 t h is b ala n ce c an b e r ea ched

. T h e P u lp a nd P ape r wor k ers

1 4 R e sou r ce C oun c il' s mo tt o is see k a b ala n ce, bec a use we

1 5 f e el i f r e gul a tio n s l ik e th e Bo i ler MAC T ru l e is

1 6 e n for c ed o n o t her cou nt ries

, we cou l d c o mpe t e w i th t he

1 7 e n tir e wo r ld a nd j obs w ould not be m ove d ov e rse a s a n d

1 8 t h e e n vir o nme n t w i ll be a l o t c l ean e r.

1 9 Th a nk yo u fo r al l owi n g m e to spe a k a n d

2 0 c o nsi d er m y c o nce r ns ab out k eep i ng o ur g ree n jo b s w i thin

2 1 t h e U

. S. a nd h elp i ng us reb u ild the eco n omy.

2 2 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

2 3 q u est i ons or c omm e nts f rom y ou g uys?

2 4 MR

. BO YC E: I ha v e o n e c o mme n t --

2 5 q u est i on. An d yo u ha d made a p o int abo u t p r ovi d ing more6 3

1 f l exi b le a ppr o ach e s. C ould you giv e -- ela b ora t e o n one

2 o r tw o of app r oac h es?

3 MR

. BU RC H: W ell

, th e th i ng i s, t he r ules

4 t h at w e'r e go i ng t hro ug h no w , a s fa r as I k n ow, the y 're

5 a s cl e an a s t h ey c an be . Y o u'r e sa y ing giv e ex a mpl e s of

6 w h at y 'al l ca n do ? I s that wha t yo u r q u est i on i s?

7 MR

. BO YC E: Y es, as f ar a s -

- yo u sa i d

8 p r ovi d e m o re f lex i ble a ppro a che s

. I wa s ju s t w a nti n g an

9 e x amp l e o f on e or two t hat y ou m igh t th i nk o f o r mi g ht

1 0 a d d a s fl e xib l e r u le.

1 1 MR

. BU RC H: W ell

, ju s t l i ke t he c lus t er

1 2 r u le. Th e cl u ste r ru le was

, wh a t, t en y ear s ag o ? J ust

1 3 s o met h ing sim p le l ike t hat. It was n 't s imp l e f o r u s

,

1 4 b u t s t ill it c lea n ed th e ai r up

. I don ' t s e e w h ere --

1 5 i n my mil l al o ne, we ca n te l l t h e a i r a r oun d us has

1 6 i m pro v ed j ust fro m th e smel l

. I do n 't k now wha t -- I

1 7 d o n't kno w wh a t k i nd of thi n gs y ou c oul d pu t on to m ake

1 8 i t an y cl e ane r

. Y ou kn ow, a s f a r a s I k now -- a s f a r as

1 9 I ' ve b een emp l oye d th er e, I kno w th a t w e 're as c lea n as

2 0 w e ca n ge t

. T her e 's on ly c e rta i n t h ing s yo u ca n do to

2 1 c l ean the air up, so.

..

2 2 MR

. BO YC E: T han k yo u

.

2 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou. Di d Ji m Si m on

2 4 c o me b ack?

2 5 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)6 4

1 MR

. WA YL AND: An d Ed w ard Har r ing t on, if

2 y o u w o uld lik e to com e up, y ou c an f oll o w G e org e , d o you

3 w a nt t o t e sti f y a g ain

, or d i d t h ey j ust cop y yo u fr o m

4 w h ere you mov e d u p al re ady?

5 MR

. HA RR INGT O N: The y mo v ed m e -

- ye a h,

6 I ' m d o ne.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. Tha t 's w hat I

8 t h oug h t. I j u st w ant w ante d to mak e su r e y o u w e ren ' t

9 g o ing to t est i fy o n b eh alf o f s o meb o dy e lse.

1 0 MR

. SI MO N: I 'm J im S imo n , t h e g e ner a l

1 1 m a nag e r o f th e Am e ric an Sug a r C a ne L eag u e o f th e U. S .A.,

1 2 I n c., and we' r e c o mme nt ing o n t h e U

. S. E nvi r onm e ntal

1 3 P r ote c tio n Ag e ncy ' s - - at t h is h ear i ng t oda y fo r the

1 4 N a tio n al E mis s ion s St an dard s fo r Ha z ard o us A ir

1 5 P o llu t ant s fo r Ar e as So urce Ind u str i al, Com m erc i al a nd

1 6 I n sti t uti o nal Boi l ers u nder Sec t ion 12( d ) o f th e Cl e an

1 7 A i r A c t. And Doc k et Nu mber EPA

- HQ- 0 AR- 2 006

- 079 0

.

1 8 My nam e is J a mes Sim o n. I'm the gen e ral

1 9 m a nag e r o f th e Am e ric an Sug a r C a ne L eag u e o f th e U. S .A.,

2 0 I n c., whi c h i s a n on- pr ofit org a niz a tio n of Lou i sia n a

2 1 s u gar gro w ers and pro ce ssor s

. L eag u e m e mbe r s i n clu d e

2 2 t h e r e mai n ing 11 r aw su gar c ane mil l s s t ill ope r ati n g in

2 3 L o uis i ana

, an d on beh al f of the Lea g ue, tha n k y o u f o r

2 4 t h e o p por t uni t y t o te st ify o n t h e E P A's pro p osed

2 5 r e gul a tio n fo r ar e a s ou rce b iom a ss b oil e rs.6 5

1 Al t hou gh the Lea g ue w ill pro v ide a m o re

2 c o mpr e hen s ive doc u men t prio r to the dea d lin e fo r wr i tten

3 c o mme n t, o ur g oal tod ay is t o p r ovi d e y o u w i th a ge n eral

4 s u mma r y o f ou r un i que i ndus t ry a nd t o i n tro d uce our

5 p r opo s al f or a co n dit io nal d e m i nim i s s o urc e ex e mpt i on

6 f r om t he r egu l ati o n. W e al s o w a nt t o l e nd s upp o rt a nd

7 a g ree m ent to t he c omm en ts a l rea d y m a de a nd t o b e ma d e by

8 s i mil a r s i tua t ed r aw su gar m ill s in Tex a s a n d F l ori d a

9 r e gar d ing the pro p ose d regu l ati o ns a ppl i cab l e t o bo t h

1 0 m a jor and are a re s our ce s.

1 1 Th e Le ag ue r e que s ts t hat the EPA con s ider

1 2 a con d iti o nal exe m pti on for bio m ass

- fue l ed a rea sou r ces

1 3 w i th d e m i nim i s H A P e mi ssio n li m its.

1 4 No t on ly is e ach Lou i sia n a m i ll w ell bel o w

1 5 t h e m a jor sou r ce t hre sh old f or H APs

, bu t th e su m of all

1 6 p e rmi t ted HAP s at Lou is iana mil l s t o day tot a l o n ly t hree

1 7 t o ns p er y ear

, fa r be lo w th e ma j or s our c e t h res h old.

1 8 F u rth e r, w hen onl y HA Ps fro m bo i ler s ar e co n sid e red

, no

1 9 s i ngl e mi l l i s pe r mit te d fo r -- is p erm i tte d fo r gr e ater

2 0 t h an h alf a t o n p e r y ea r.

2 1 Th e Le ag ue a l so n ote s th a t t h e p r opo s ed

2 2 b o ile r ru l es f or m ajo r and a rea sou r ces are con t rar y to

2 3 t h e e f for t s o f th e cu rr ent a dmi n ist r ati o n w i th r ega r ds

2 4 t o "g r een " en e rgy ini ti ativ e s. The pro p ose d ru l es

2 5 p r ovi d e f o r a dis t inc ti ve -

- pr o vid e s f o r d i s-

- -6 6

1 p r ovi d es f or a di s inc en tive for the use of r ene w able

2 r e sou r ces and the red uc tion of o ur d epe n den c e o n fo s sil

3 f u els.

4 Al l Lo ui sian a su g ar m ill s ut i lize

5 b a gas s e-f i red boi l ers a s th e pr i mar y so u rce of p owe r for

6 m i ll o per a tio n s, w ith n earl y 10 0 pe r cen t of the bag a sse

7 b u rne d at any giv e n m il l be i ng g ene r ate d on

- sit e

.

8 A l tho u gh a co u ple of mi lls s upp l eme n t t h e b a gas s e w i th

9 c l ean woo d pr o duc t s d ur ing i nit i al s tar t -up

, no n e

1 0 s u ppl e men t s w i th f uel o il o r co a l.

1 1 Lo u isi an a's s uga r ca n e g r ind i ng s eas o n is

1 2 r e lat i vel y sh o rt l ast in g ap p rox i mat e ly 1 15 d ays a y e ar.

1 3 S u ch a sh o rt g rin d ing s easo n me a ns t hat und e r t h e

1 4 p r opo s ed r egu l ati o ns, o ur m i lls wou l d b e re q uir e d to

1 5 t e st e ach boi l er t hre e time s mo r e o f ten than

1 6 n o n-s e aso n al i ndu s tri es , ba s ed o n t o tal hou r s of

1 7 o p era t ion.

1 8 Af t er ea ch g r ind i ng s eas o n e n ds, our mil l s

1 9 s h ut d own and beg i n a n ine- m ont h tu n e-u p pr o ces s

.

2 0 B e cau s e e q uip m ent mal fu ncti o ns d uri n g t h e g r ind i ng

2 1 s e aso n , c a n r e sul t in t reme n dou s lo s s t o a s uga r mi l l as

2 2 w e ll a s -

- as wel l as t o Lo u isi a na s uga r fa r mer s

.

2 3 N e arl y ev e ry p iec e of e quip m ent und e rgo e s a n ex t ens i ve

2 4 i n spe c tio n , m a int e nan ce and rep a ir p rog r am t o p r epa r e

2 5 f o r t h e n e xt s eas o n. I n co n tra s t, b oil e rs a nd6 7

1 a s soc i ate d em i ssi o n c on trol l ed e qui p men t at non

- sea s onal

2 i n dus t rie s ma y ru n co nt inuo u sly for yea r s b e for e go i ng

3 t h rou g h a tur n aro u nd to con d uct the kin d of tho r oug h and

4 c o mpr e hen s ive mai n ten an ce a c tiv i tie s th a t e a ch s ugar

5 m i ll g oes thr o ugh ann ua lly.

6 Th e bo il ers o per a tin g at Lou i sia n a m i lls

7 a r e e q uip p ed w ith a m in imum of m ult i ple cyc l one dust

8 c o lle c tor s

. A la r ge ma jori t y o f bo i ler s ar e al s o f i tted

9 w i th h ydr o sc r ubb e rs, a chie v ing an a ver a ge p art i cul a te

1 0 m a tte r co n tro l ef f ici en cy a b ove 90 p erc e nt. The

1 1 e x ten s ive ins p ect i on an d ma i nte n anc e pr o ces s is

1 2 c o ndu c ted ann u all y to e nsur e th a t b o ile r s a n d a s soc i ated

1 3 c o ntr o l d e vic e s w i ll co ntin u e t o op e rat e as eff i cie n tly

1 4 a s po s sib l e t h rou g hou t the g rin d ing sea s on.

1 5 Th e Le ag ue r e cog n ize s th e va l ue i n

1 6 c o nti n uin g to con d uct t hese mai n ten a nce act i vit i es a s a

1 7 c o ndi t ion of m eet i ng th e de min i mis exe m pti o n, t he

1 8 L e agu e pr o pos e s t h at a main t ena n ce a nd r epa i r p r ogr a m

1 9 s i mil a r t o th a t d e scr ib ed a b ove be m ade man d ato r y, a long

2 0 w i th a ppr o pri a te r eco rd keep i ng a nd r epo r ting

2 1 r e qui r eme n ts. Th e co st of c omp l ian c e w i th t he p rop o sed

2 2 r u le n ot o nly thr e ate ns the sur v iva l of Lou i sia n a's

2 3 s u gar ind u str y , b u t d oe s so wit h mi n ima l to no

2 4 m e asu r abl e ai r qu a lit y impr o vem e nts

. G i ven the nom i nal

2 5 t o tal HAP emi s sio n s f ro m Lo u isi a na' s su g ar m ill s , E P A6 8

1 c a n m e et i ts m and a te un der t he C lea n Ai r Ac t to pro t ect

2 p u bli c he a lth and the e nvir o nme n t w i tho u t t h row i ng s uch

3 a dev a sta t ing

, pe r hap s fata l , b l ow t o t h is i ndu s try.

4 As Lou is iana str u ggl e s t o su r viv e and

5 r e cov e r f r om r ece n t e co nomi c , n a tur a l a n d m a n-m a de

6 d i sas t ers

, we ask tha t the E PA a dop t a m ore fle x ible

7 a p pro a ch t hat is s cie nt ific a lly sou n d a n d t e chn i cal l y

8 a t tai n abl e , t h at w ill a ctua l ly r esu l t i n a m eas u rab l e

9 r e duc t ion of t oxi c ai r poll u tan t s. Tha n k y o u.

1 0 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

1 1 c l ari f yin g co m men t s f ro m yo u gu y s?

1 2 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

1 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

1 4 MR

. HA RR INGT O N: Hel l o. My n ame is E d

1 5 H a rri n gto n an d I w ork f or M e adW e stv a co i n E v ada l e,

1 6 T e xas

, an d I' m he r e t o repr e sen t ou r co m pan y 's i nte r ests

1 7 i n EP A 's B oil e r M A CT re gula t ion s

.

1 8 Ou r co mp any i s a lea d er i n s u sta i nab i lity

1 9 a n d h a s b e en f or g ene ra tion s

. W e s u ppo r t e f for t s to

2 0 p r ote c t t h e e n vir o nme nt , an d ha v e v o lun t ari l y w o rke d to

2 1 r e duc e em i ssi o ns a t o ur man u fac t uri n g o p era t ion s

.

2 2 T o get h er w ith oth e r l ea ders in o ur i ndu s try

, pa p er a nd

2 3 f o res t pr o duc t s m a nuf ac ture r s h a ve r edu c ed a ir p oll u tion

2 4 f r om o ur o per a tio n s b y more tha n 50 per c ent in t he p ast

2 5 2 0 ye a rs.6 9

1 Ou r in du stry is o ne o f t h e m o st h eav i ly

2 r e gul a ted in t he U nit ed Sta t es, har m ing our abi l ity to

3 c o mpe t e w i th m anu f act ur ers i n o t her cou n tri e s t h at d o

4 n o t s h are our com m itm en t to env i ron m ent a l p e rfo r man c e.

5 D e spi t e t h is b urd e n, ne w re g ula t ion s co n tin u e t o be

6 p r opo s ed t hat wou l d r eq uire add i tio n al i nve s tme n t w i th

7 n o su b sta n tia l en v iro nm enta l be n efi t

. B oil e r M A CT, as

8 p r opo s ed, wou l d c o st th e fo r est pro d uct s in d ust r y

9 b i lli o ns o f d o lla r s a nd Mea d Wes t vac o te n s o f mi l lio n s of

1 0 d o lla r s o v er t he n ext t wo t o fo u r y e ars

. T h ese new

1 1 i n ves t men t s c o uld mea n job l oss e s i n th e Un i ted Sta t es

1 2 a n d c o uld for c e p r odu ct ion t o b e mo v ed t o c o unt r ies

1 3 w h ere the env i ron m ent al sta n dar d s a r e m u ch l owe r th a n

1 4 o u r c u rre n t p r act i ces.

1 5 We enc ou rage the EPA to d eve l op r eas o nab l e

1 6 a p pro a che s to mai n tai n emis s ion red u cti o ns. Any

1 7 r e aso n abl e ap p roa c h s ho uld: St r ive to a chi e ve

1 8 m e asu r abl e he a lth and e nvir o nme n tal ben e fit s , c o nsi d er

1 9 t h e i n ves t men t of tim e and r eso u rce s th a t w i ll b e

2 0 n e ces s ary for com p lia nc e, a n d c o nsi d er t he i mpa c t on

2 1 j o bs, eco n omi c gr o wth

, and t he g lob a l c o mpe t iti v ene s s of

2 2 A

m eri c a's man u fac t ure rs

.

2 3 He r e's h ow M e adW e stv a co b eli e ves tha t EPA

2 4 s h oul d pr o cee d wi t h t he Boi l er M ACT reg u lat i ons

. F i rst,

2 5 f i nal i ze c lea r de f ini ti ons. EP A ha s pr o pos e d a ser i es7 0

1 o f fo u r i n ter r ela t ed ru lema k ing s

. D ue t o t h e n a tur e of

2 d e fin i tio n s, a ffe c ted s ourc e s, a nd h ow E PA h as c hos e n to

3 v i ew t he d ata

, it is im poss i ble for EPA to a ccu r ate l y

4 d e ter m ine the dat a se ts to u se i n s e tti n g t h e l i mit s and

5 t h ere b y e q ual l y i m pos si ble f or s our c es t o u n der s tan d how

6 t h e a r e a f fec t ed t o d et ermi n e w h at s tep s ar e re q uir e d to

7 c o mpl y

. M ead W est v aco b elie v es t hat EPA sho u ld f irst

8 f i nal i ze i ts d efi n iti on s of sol i d w a ste

, an d th e n

9 d e ter m ine whi c h s o urc es fal l in t o t h e b o ile r ca t ego r ies

1 0 a n d w h ich sou r ces fal l into the sol i d w a ste inc i ner a tor

1 1 c a teg o ry. Th e n E P A c an mor e ac c ura t ely int e rpr e t t h e

1 2 e x ist i ng d ata and col le ct m o re a s i t is nee d ed a nd

1 3 p r opo s e s t and a rds in a mean i ngf u l f a shi o n.

1 4 Ne x t, en sure the hig h est dat a qu a lit y

.

1 5 E P A h a s c o lle c ted sig ni fica n t d a ta o ver the pas t se v eral

1 6 m o nth s

. I t h a s w o rke d to m a ke t hat dat a av a ila b le f or

1 7 r e vie w

. A s t h e p u bli c has r evi e wed thi s da t a i t is

1 8 c l ear tha t EP A ne e ds to per f orm add i tio n al q ual i ty

1 9 a s sur a nce to e nsu r e t ha t th e da t a i s ac c ura t e. Data

2 0 r e vie w ha s fo u nd i nco ns iste n t t r eat m ent of n on- d ete c t

2 1 v a lue s , i m pro p er c las si fica t ion of b oil e rs, and gap s in

2 2 d a ta t hat cou l d b e im pr oved wit h ad d iti o nal qua l ity

2 3 a s sur a nce

. M e adW e stv ac o be l iev e s t h at t his ste p is

2 4 c r uci a l b e for e EP A ca n real i sti c all y pr o pos e su c h

2 5 s t and a rds.7 1

1 Ne x t, co nsid e r w h eth e r p r opo s ed l imi t s a r e

2 a c hie v abl e

. T he M axi mu m Ac h iev a ble Con t rol Tec h nol o gy

3 S t and a rds are dri v en by ver y go o d c o ntr o ls t hat also

4 r e sul t in ach i eva b le ta rget s

. I n i t s r u sh t o c o mpl e te

5 t h ese sta n dar d s, E PA ha s al l owe d th e pr o ces s to bec o me a

6 m a the m ati c al e xer c ise t hat i s n o t b a sed on

7 a c hie v abi l ity

. B y it s cons t ruc t , t h e s t and a rds are

8 i n ten d ed t o b e se t ba se d on the ave r age of t he t op 1 2

9 p e rce n t p e rfo r mer s in a sou r ce c ate g ory

. M e adW e stv a co

1 0 b e lie v es t hat by i ts da ta c o lle c tio n me t hod o log y

,

1 1 f a ilu r e t o co n sid e r a de quat e va r iab i lit y of ope r ati n g

1 2 c o ndi t ion s , a n d f a ilu re to f ull y ev a lua t e a l l o f the

1 3 d a ta i t h a s, E PA h as pr opos e d a rul e th a t f e wer tha n one

1 4 p e rce n t e x ist i ng b oil er s ca n ac h iev e

. T he s itu a tio n is

1 5 w o rse n ed w hen rev i ewi ng the new sou r ce s tan d ard s th a t

1 6 e v en E PA i s p r edi c tin g will res u lt i n n o ne w bi o mas s or

1 7 c o al b urn i ng f aci l iti es . M e adW e stv a co b eli e ves tha t EPA

1 8 s h oul d re v isi t it s me th odol o gy f or e sta b lis h ing the s e

1 9 s t and a rds and pro p ose s tand a rds tha t ar e ac h iev a ble.

2 0 Ne x t, in clud e a H eal t h B a sed Com p lia n ce

2 1 A l ter n ati v e. EPA inc lu ded o pti o ns i n t h e o r igi n al

2 2 s t and a rd t o a l low sou rc es t o de m ons t rat e an alt e rna t ive

2 3 s t and a rd t hat was pro te ctiv e of hea l th a nd t he

2 4 e n vir o nme n t. EPA has c hose n no t to do s o i n the

2 5 p r opo s ed r ule s

. F urt he r, i t ha s se t up a n e arly7 2

1 i m pos s ibl e st a nda r d t o meet in t he P rea m ble to t he

2 B o ile r MA C T R u le, if it wer e to con s ide r su c h an

3 a l ter n ati v e. Mea d Wes tv aco b eli e ves tha t EP A ha s an

4 o b lig a tio n to ens u re th at s t and a rds it r equ i res are

5 i m pos e d d u e t o a r eas on able ris k to the hea l th a nd t he

6 e n vir o nme n t a n d n o t d ue to a ma t hem a tic a l e x erc i se.

7 La s t, im pose an a deq u ate tim e lin e for

8 c o mpl i anc e

. E PA h as pr opos e d a thr e e-y e ar c omp l ian c e

9 t i mel i ne f or s our c es. We b e lie v e t h at t his tim e lin e is

1 0 i n ad e qua t e d u e t o th e numb e r o f ef f ect e d s o urc e s a n d

1 1 t h e f e e e n gin e eri n g s ol utio n s a v ail a ble to i ndu s try.

1 2 We are c ommi t ted to g oin g ou r pa r t to

1 3 p r ote c t a n d e n han c e t he env i ron m ent

. W e su p port

1 4 r e aso n abl e , b a lan c ed ef fort s to res p ons i bly red u ce

1 5 e m iss i ons

, an d we hop e that EPA wil l jo i n w i th u s in

1 6 d e vel o pin g so l uti o ns th at d o no t ha r m A m eri c a's

1 7 m a nuf a ctu r ers and man uf actu r ing emp l oye e s. Tha n k y o u.

1 8 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

1 9 q u est i ons ? W o uld

-- yo u as k ed a bou t th e co m pli a nce

2 0 s c hed u le w ith

-- u nde r 112. It ' s p r ett y pr e scr i pti v e;

2 1 y o u g e t t h ree yea r s, an d th e n t h ere ' s t h e a l ter n ati v e

2 2 f o r t h e f o urt h ye a r t ha t ca n be gra n ted on a

2 3 f a cil i ty- b y-f a cil i ty ba sis. Is tha t wh a t y o u're

2 4 r e fer r ing to t her e or s omet h ing

--

2 5 MR

. HA RR INGT O N: No. No

, be y ond7 3

1 f o ur y ear s

.

2 MR

. WA YL AND: Be y ond fou r ye a rs. Ok a y.

3 T h ank you.

4 Ok a y. T he n e xt t wo s pea k ers wil l be

5 M a rti n Ro l lin s an d Do n Grim m

.

6 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

7 MR

. RO LL INS: Go o d m o rni n g. My n ame is

8 M a rti n Ro l lin s

. I 'm a Regi s ter e d P r ofe s sio n al E ngi n eer

9 a n d p r esi d ent of H .M. R olli n s C o mpa n y i n Gu l fpo r t,

1 0 M i ssi s sip p i, a sm a ll co nsul t ing eng i nee r ing fir m , a n d

1 1 m a ny o f m

y cl i ent s wo ul d be imp a cte d by the s e r u les.

1 2 My com me nts a re f ocu s ed o n b i oma s s

1 3 c o mbu s tio n

. M y w r itt en sta t eme n t w i ll c ont a in

1 4 a d dit i ona l de t ail s

. It is m y o p ini o n t h at t he p ubl i c is

1 5 i n cap a ble of c omp l eti ng ade q uat e re v iew and com m ent on

1 6 t h ese rul e s b y th e sc he dule d co m men t da t e. The EPA

1 7 s h oul d fi n ali z e a sol id was t e r u le f irs t so the

1 8 r e gul a ted ent i tie s ar e in a pos i tio n to kno w ho w it

1 9 i m pac t s t h e c o mbu s tio n rule s

. T he A gen c y s h oul d se e k

2 0 a d dit i ona l ti m e f r om th e co u rt a s n e ede d

. I wo u ld u se

2 1 t h e E P A t e rm " abs u rd re sult s " t o de s cri b e t h e b o iler

2 2 p r opo s als

. A s an exa mp le, t he p rop o sed dio x in l imi t s

2 3 f o r a cle a n b i oma s s b oi ler a re a s m u ch a s f o ur o rde r s of

2 4 m a gni t ude low e r t h an th e st a nda r ds i n p l ace for

2 5 h a zar d ous inc i ner a tor s. I b eli e ve t hat is a n a b surd7 4

1 r e sul t

.

2 Fa c ili ti es t h at o rig i nal l y m e t t h e v e ry

3 c o nse r vat i ve h eal t h-b as ed c o mpl i anc e op t ion mus t now

4 i n sta l l a ser i es o f c on trol dev i ce c ost i ng m ill i ons of

5 d o lla r s. Wit h out a h ea lth- b ase d co m pli a nce alt e rna t ive,

6 m o st w ood pro d uct s fa ci liti e s w o uld eit h er c los e do w n or

7 p u rch a se n atu r al g as bo iler s , w h ich can be o bta i ned at a

8 f r act i on o f t h e c o st of the req u ire d co n tro l

.

9 Th e bi om ass f uel wou l d t h en b e s e nt t o a

1 0 l a ndf i ll w her e it wou ld deg r ade to m eth a ne. Th e Bo i ler

1 1 M A CT c onc l ude s th e re wi ll b e no bio m ass boi l ers

1 2 c o nst r uct e d m a jor sou rc es. Tha t wo u ld b e a n ab s urd

1 3 r e sul t , g i ven the gov er nmen t 's p ush for ren e wab l e

1 4 e n erg y

. T he f loo r an al ysis for are a so u rce boi l ers is

1 5 b a sed lar g ely on b oil er s so sma l l t h ey' r e e x emp t fr o m

1 6 t h e n u mer i cal lim i ts, r athe r th a n b o ile r s t y pic a lly

1 7 f o und in a rea sou r ces.

1 8 It tak es a v e ry l arg e bo i ler to b e a

1 9 s t and

- alo n e m a jor sou rc e. M ost maj o r s o urc e bo i lers

2 0 w o uld be a rea sou r ce bo iler s if loc a ted els e whe r e. An

2 1 a b sur d re s ult is t hat a 100 mil l ion BTU

- per

- hou r bi o mass

2 2 b o ile r lo c ate d at an ar ea s o urc e ha s a m uch low e r CO

2 3 l i mit and a m u ch s hor te r co m pli a nce ave r agi n g t i me t han

2 4 t h e s a me b oil e r a t a ma jor s our c e.

2 5 Bi o mas s boil e rs a t a r ea s our c es r epr e sent7 5

1 a low ris k an d th e CO l imit s sh o uld be e lim i nat e d in

2 f a vor of t une

- ups and w ork p rac t ice s

. I f C O li m its are

3 r e tai n ed, the y sh o uld n ot b e mo r e s t rin g ent tha n for

4 m a jor sou r ces

. T h e A ge ncy h as d one an i nad e qua t e j o b of

5 v e rif y ing dat a qu a lit y. Th e re i s d a ta u sed in t he

6 a n aly s es f or b oth rul es tha t lo o k s u spe c t t o a

7 k n owl e dge a ble ind i vid ua l, a n d t h ere are som e cl e ar

8 e r ror s su c h a s th e in cl usio n of dat a fr o m a boi l er

9 r e por t edl y bu r nin g on ly hea v y o i l i n th e fl o or a nal y sis

1 0 f o r b i oma s s.

1 1 Ap p end ix B-2 of t he a rea sou r ce M ACT flo o r

1 2 a n aly s is s how s th a t t ha t li m it w as c alc u lat e d u s ing the

1 3 r a w d a ta, whi c h c h eck ed as n on- n orm a l w h ile the log data

1 4 w a s s h own to b e n o rma l. Th e ref o re, it w oul d ap p ear that

1 5 t h e C O li m it i n t h e p ro pose d fo r bi o mas s ar e a s o urc e s is

1 6 i n cor r ect

. I t is lik el y th a t m a ny m ore err o rs e xis t in

1 7 o t her pla c es. Ru l es sh ould not be p rom u lga t ed o n

1 8 s u spe c t d a ta, and EPA s houl d ha l t t h ese pro c eed i ngs

1 9 u n til a t h oro u gh d ata v alid a tio n ha s be e n c o mpl e ted.

2 0 M o st b oil e rs b urn i ng bi omas s bu r n o n ly b iom a ss. The

2 1 m a jor sou r ce f loo r da ta for bio m ass inc l ude s mu c h d a ta

2 2 f r om b oil e rs b urn i ng si gnif i can t pe r cen t age s of

2 3 m a ter i als oth e r t h an bi omas s , i n clu d ing nat u ral gas,

2 4 h e avy oil

, ti r e-d e riv ed fue l , a n d u n def i ned slu d ges.

2 5 E a ch o f t h ese mat e ria ls has dif f ere n t c o mbu s tion7 6

1 c h ara c ter i sti c s a n d d if fere n t l e vel s of fue l -ba s ed H APs.

2 I t wo u ld b e t e chn i cal ly inc o rre c t t o co n sid e r t h is a s a

3 r e pre s ent a tiv e of bio ma ss c o mbu s tio n

. E PA s hou l d s e t

4 l i mit s fo r bi o mas s bo il ers b ase d on dat a fr o m u n its

5 b u rni n g o n ly b iom a ss. EPA s hou l d c o nsi d er a su b cat e gory

6 f o r g r een bio m ass

, wh ic h -- sin c e i t co m bus t s

7 d i ffe r ent l y t h an d ry bi omas s

.

8 Co m bin at ion b oil e rs, tho s e b u rni n g

9 m u lti p le f uel s , c a n b e addr e sse d th r oug h su b cat e gor i es.

1 0 E P A's MAC T fl o or a nal ys is f o r b i oma s s b o ile r s i s fl a wed.

1 1 F a r l e ss t han the exp ec ted 6 to 12 p erc e nt o f b i oma s s

1 2 b o ile r s a n tic i pat e d b y the s tat u te c an m eet the pro p osed

1 3 l i mit s wi t hou t ad d iti on al c o ntr o l. Thi s is the res u lt

1 4 o f an a lyz i ng t he d ata o n a p oll u tan t -by

- pol l uta n t b a sis

1 5 r a the r th a n s o urc e -by -s ourc e , r e lyi n g o n da t a o b tai n ed

1 6 f r om t he t op 1 2 p e rce nt of a su b set of b est per f orm i ng

1 7 b o ile r s, r ath e r t h an th e po p ula t ion of b oil e r a s a w hole

1 8 h a vin g in s uff i cie n t d at a an d re l yin g on as f ew a s t w o or

1 9 t h ree dat a po i nts lar ge ly a t or bel o w d e tec t ion lim i ts

2 0 t o se t li m its for sub ca tego r ies wit h la r ge p opu l ati o ns.

2 1 S e tti n g l i mit s fo r fu el -bas e d p o llu t ant s fo r bi o mass

2 2 b o ile r s w i tho u t t a kin g into con s ide r ati o n t h e n a tur a l

2 3 v a ria b ili t y o f bi o mas s fuel as a wh o le.

2 4 In sum ma ry, I wo u ld s ugg e st t he f oll o wing

2 5 t o th e Ag e ncy : H a lt th e pr o cee d ing s an d co m ple t e an7 7

1 a d equ a te d ata val i dat io n an d an a lys i s f o r a l l f o ur

2 r u les

. G e t t h e a d dit io nal d ata nee d ed t o p r ope r ly

3 r e pre s ent the pop u lat io n. R e-p r opo s e t h e r u les as

4 n e ces s ary

. O b tai n ad eq uate tim e fr o m t h e c o urt to b e

5 a b le t o p u rsu e th e se ru lema k ing in t he A gen c y's

6 c u sto m ari l y p r ofe s sio na l ma n ner

. F i nal i ze t he s olid

7 w a ste rul e fi r st. Pr ov ide a ri s k-b a sed alt e rna t ive.

8 B a se t he b iom a ss b oil er rul e s o n da t a f r om b urn i ng o nly

9 b i oma s s a n d i n clu d e t he nat u ral var i abi l ity of f uel

- base

1 0 t a x. Con s ide r ad d ing g reen bio m ass sub c ate g ori e s as

1 1 n e ede d

. A dd c omb i nat io n fu e l s u bca t ego r ies as n eed e d.

1 2 C o mpu t e M A CT f loo r s o n a un i t b a sis

, no t po l lut a nt

1 3 b a sis

. E l imi n ate the C O em i ssi o ns f or a rea sou r ce

- -

1 4 e m iss i on l imi t s f o r v ar ious sou r ce b iom a ss b oil e rs a nd

1 5 u s e t u ne- u ps a nd w ork p ract i ces to a cco m pli s h t h e s a me

1 6 g o al. Th e CO lim i ts ar e re t ain e d f o r a r ea s our c e u n its.

1 7 T h ey s hou l d n o t b e mo re str i nge n t t h an f rom maj o r s o urce

1 8 u n its

. T h ank you for t he o p por t uni t y t o pr e sen t th e se

1 9 c o mme n ts.

2 0 MR

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. M arc,

2 1 y o u h a ve a qu e sti o n?

2 2 MR

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. Y o u

2 3 s a id t hat you enc o ura ge us t o r e -pr o pos e th e ru l e a n d

2 4 p r ese n t a l l f o ur r ule s or j u st t he B oil e r M A CT i n

2 5 p a rti c ula r ?7 8

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, the

2 m a gni t ude of t he m ate ri al t h at' s in the s e d o cke t s a r e

3 p e rso n all y -- as I sa id in t hes e co m men t s, h ave foc u sed

4 o n th e bi o mas s is s ues h avin g to do w ith bot h th e ar e a

5 s o urc e an d ma j or s our ce boi l er r ule s , s o I r eal l y

6 h a ven ' t b e en a ble to ge t in t o t h e C I SWI rul e or the

7 s o lid was t e r u le, but j ust

- - y o u k n ow, I'v e be e n a

8 p r act i cin g pr o fes s ion al in t his fie l d f o r m o re t han

9 3 5 ye a rs, and I'v e gr ow n up in t he C lea n Wa t er A ct

1 0 r e gul a tio n s a l l t h e w ay unt i l n o w, a nd

- - a n d I ' ve b een

1 1 h e lpi n g i n dus t ry c omp ly wit h th e se f or a lmo s t 4 0 ye a rs,

1 2 a n d I hav e ne v er s een - - yo u kn o w, a nd I pr o vid e d

1 3 c o mme n ts o n r u lem a kin gs for all of t hos e 40 yea r s, a nd I

1 4 h a ve n eve r se e n a rul e come out of t he A gen c y t h at I

1 5 t h ink is c lea r ly r ush ed

.

1 6 It ' s n ot the kin d of job tha t I' v e s e en

1 7 t h e E P A d o cu s tom a ril y, whe n yo u ca n go and fin d in

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1 8 i n a r ath e r r a pid and c urso r y r e vie w , t h e e r ror s th a t

1 9 I ' ve i den t ifi e d, w e h av e to kno w th e re a re a mu l tit u de

2 0 o f ot h er a rea s th a t a re in t hes e ru l es t hat I d o n't know

2 1 w h o's goi n g t o ha v e t he tim e to loo k at the m by Aug u st

2 2 t h e 3 r d.

2 3 MR

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2 4 G r imm.

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. GR IM M: G ood mor n ing

. M y na m e i s Don7 9

1 G r imm

, an d I r epr e sen t Hood Ind u str i es, Inc o rpo r ate d , a

2 l u mbe r an d pl y woo d ma nu fact u rer bas e d i n Ha t tie s bur g

,

3 M i ssi s sip p i. We' r e a p riva t ely hel d co m pan y wi t h t h ree

4 s a wmi l ls, two ply w ood p lant s , a n d 1 4 di s tri b uti o n

5 c e nte r s. We e mpl o y a pp roxi m ate l y 1

, 000 peo p le i n 13

6 s t ate s

.

7 I w oul d like to f ocu s on the fol l owi n g

8 i s sue s in the pro p ose d regu l ati o n. Num b er o ne, the

9 r e gul a tio n s b e ing pro po sed a re e xce s siv e ly s tri n gen t

,

1 0 a n d t h e m e tho d olo g y u se d to def i ne t he " ide a l" b oil e r

1 1 o p era t ion do n ot r efl ec t re a l w o rld ope r ati n g

1 2 c o ndi t ion s

. T wo, the r egul a tio n wi l l n e gat i vel y im p act

1 3 t h e u s e o f bi o mas s fu el s, w h ich is i n d i rec t co n fli c t

1 4 w i th t he p oli t ica l rh et oric of t he c urr e nt

1 5 a d min i str a tio n an d si gn ific a ntl y in c rea s e t h e c o st o f

1 6 o p era t ion s at woo d pr od ucts fac i lit i es.

1 7 Th r ee, t he r e gul a tor y im p act ana l ysi s do e s

1 8 n o t a c cur a tel y as s ess t he i m pac t of the reg u lat i on o n

1 9 t h e s u bca t ego r ies of th e wo o d p r odu c ts i ndu s try

. F o ur,

2 0 t h e e c ono m ic i mpa c t o f thes e re g ula t ion s wi l l be

2 1 s i gni f ica n t a n d w i ll ca use t he c los u re o f m a ny

2 2 f a cil i tie s th a t h a ve be en s u ffe r ing mul t ipl e ye a rs o f

2 3 b u sin e ss l oss e s. The r egul a tio n s a r e e x tre m ely

2 4 s t rin g ent and app r oac h leve l s t h at a re b are l y

2 5 d e tec t abl e

. T he m eth od olog y us e d b y th e EP A to def i ne8 0

1 t h e r e gul a tor y le v els d o no t , i n my opi n ion

, ac c ura t ely

2 r e fle c t r e al w orl d co nd itio n s o r op e rat i ons

. B o ile r s in

3 t h e r e al w orl d ar e su bj ect t o a sig n ifi c ant num b er o f

4 o p era t ing var i abl e s i nc ludi n g c h ang e s i n fu e l

5 c o ndi t ion i ngs

, op e rat in g lo a d s w ing s in the

6 m a nuf a ctu r ing ope r ati on bei n g s e rve d , c o ntr o ls

7 e f fic i enc y ju s t t o na me a f e w.

8 My exp er ienc e ha s be e n t h at w hen con t rol

9 d e vic e s a r e a d ded to a piec e of ope r ati n g e q uip m ent

, the

1 0 c o ntr o l d e vic e s i n tro du ce a d dit i ona l op e rat i ng

1 1 v a ria b ili t y t h at m ake c onsi s ten t ou t com e s m o re d iff i cult

1 2 t o ac h iev e

. B iom a ss bo iler s ut i liz e cl e an w ood

1 3 r e sid u als as t he f uel

, and t hat fue l is inh e ren t ly

1 4 c l ean e r t h an m any oth er typ e s o f fu e l. Tha t cr e ate s a

1 5 l o w b a se l ine of e mis si ons a nd t he c ost to r edu c e t h ose

1 6 l e vel s to eve n lo w er re gula t ory lim i ts i s

1 7 d i spr o por t ion a te t o t he ben e fit s ac h iev e d.

1 8 Th e pr op osed reg u lat i ons wil l ne g ati v ely

1 9 i m pac t th e us e of bio ma ss f u els for ind u str i al b oil e r

2 0 u s e. The woo d pr o duc ts ind u str y ha s be e n u s ing cle a n

2 1 w o od r esi d ual s as a p ri mary fue l fo r de c ade s

. I n o t her

2 2 w o rds

, we wer e gr e en be fore gre e n w a s c o ol. Th e cu r rent

2 3 a d min i str a tio n to u ts th e us e of bio m ass fue l s a s pa r t of

2 4 t h e n e w e n erg y po l icy

. On o ne h and

, th e US D A h a s g i ven

2 5 a w ay o ver $14 8 mi l lio n unde r th e BC A P p r ogr a m f o r f u els8 1

1 t h at w ere alr e ady bei ng use d an d no w th e se r egu l ati o ns

2 w i ll r est r ict the use o f th e se b iom a ss f uel s in the

3 f u tur e

. A ny n ew b usi ne ss m o del s th a t m a y be

4 c o nte m pla t ing the use o f bi o mas s fu e ls m ay f ind the cost

5 o f th e re g ula t ion pro hi biti v e. To m e t h is i s a n oth e r

6 c a se o f o n e b o dy o f g ov ernm e nt n ot a cti n g i n co n cert

7 w i th t he d ire c tio n of a noth e r b o dy o f g o ver n men t

.

8 Co n ver si on o f a w ood pro d uct s pl a nt t o

9 n a tur a l g a s i s no t ec on omic a lly via b le. In our cas e , we

1 0 h a ve c alc u lat e d t h at th e in c rea s e i n op e rat i ng c ost s to

1 1 u s e n a tur a l g a s t o be $ 31 m i lli o n a n nua l ly. Th a t w o uld

1 2 b e a 3 4 p e rce n t i n cre as e in ope r ati n g c o sts at a ti m e

1 3 w h en t he i ndu s try has s usta i ned mul t ipl e ye a rs o f

1 4 l o sse s , a n d w o uld not b e ec o nom i cal l y s u sta i nab l e. The

1 5 R e gul a tor y Im p act Ana ly sis d oes not acc u rat e ly m eas u re

1 6 t h e i m pac t on sma l ler p lant fac i lit i es. By com b ini n g

1 7 a l l p l ant fac i lit i es to geth e r, t he c onc l usi o ns d raw n do

1 8 n o t r e pre s ent the eco no mic i mpa c t t o sm a lle r op e rat i ons.

1 9 T h e c o st o f c a pit a l i nv estm e nt t o i n sta l l c o ntr o l is

2 0 d i spr o por t ion a te w hen c ompa r ing a f a cil i ty t hat

2 1 g e ner a tes $10 0 mi l lio n in a n nua l re v enu e to a f a cil i ty

2 2 t h at m ay o nly gen e rat e $50 m ill i on i n a n nua l re v enu e

.

2 3 T h e e q uip m ent cos t is

- - th e eq u ipm e nt c ost doe s not

2 4 c o rre l ate to r eve n ue an d th e ab i lit y to abs o rb t he

2 5 c a pit a l c o st i s a dis pr opor t ion a te p ena l ty t o t h e8 2

1 s m all e r p l ant s

. T he Im pact Ana l ysi s co n tai n s o n ly d ata

2 t h rou g h 2 0 07 a nd t hus i gnor e s t h e m o st d eva s tat i ng

3 i m pac t on shi p men t s, em ploy m ent

, an d ot h er o per a ting

4 p a ram e ter s by not inc lu ding the wor s t y e ars of t his

5 r e ces s ion

, wh i ch h ave b een 2 008 and 200 9

. I f o n e l o oks

6 a t th e ca p aci t y u t ili za tion cha r t, F igu r e 2

- 15, one can

7 v i sua l ly s ee t hat the e limi n ati o n o f 20 0 8 a n d 2 0 09 d ata

8 w i ll s kew the dat a an d impa c t a n y c o ncl u sio n s d r awn from

9 i t

.

1 0 Th e cr it eria use d to cla s sif y an

1 1 " e sta b lis h men t " a s la rg e ve r sus sma l l i s ba s ed o n n u mber

1 2 o f em

p loy e es. Th i s i s not a go o d m e tho d olo g y, i n my

1 3 o p ini o n, s inc e so m e m an ufac t uri n g p r oce s ses are lab o r

1 4 i n ten s ive and oth e rs ar e hi g hly aut o mat e d. Pro d uct i on

1 5 c a pac i ty a nd e mis s ion s volu m e d o no t ne c ess a rily

1 6 c o rre l ate to f aci l ity e mplo y men t

.

1 7 Th e co ll apse of a ne w ho u sin g ma r ket s and

1 8 t h e r e ces s ion a ry d ecl in e in the U.S

. ec o nom y has

1 9 s e ver e ly i mpa c ted the w ood p rod u cts ind u str y

. I wo u ld

2 0 e s tim a te t hat 35 t o 4 0 perc e nt o f t h e i n dus t ry c apa c ity

2 1 h a s b e en c urt a ile d or s hut d own

. T h ese reg u lat i ons will

2 2 f u rth e r r e duc e th e pr ob abil i ty o f m a ny o f t h ese

2 3 f a cil i tie s re s tat i ng wh en e c ono m ic c ond i tio n s i m pro v e.

2 4 In add it ion, I w o uld pre d ict tha t the

2 5 e c ono m ic c ost of c omp ly ing w ith the s e n e w r e gul a tio n s8 3

1 w i ll c aus e ne w cl o sur es as s mal l pr i vat e ly h eld saw m ills

2 a n d p l ywo o d o p era t ion s and o the r wo o d p r odu c ts

3 b u sin e sse s co m e t o th e conc l usi o n t h at t ryi n g t o su s tain

4 a n op e rat i on t hat has h ad m u lti

- yea r lo s ses is s imp l y

5 n o t a goo d de c isi o n. T hese clo s ure s wi l l

6 d i spr o por t ion a tel y im pa ct r u ral low e r i n come

7 c o mmu n iti e s.

8 In our b usin e ss, lum b er p ric e s h a ve f all e n

9 3 1 pe r cen t si n ce t he pe ak i n 20 0 5. It w ill be d iff i cult

1 0 t o ra t ion a liz e th e co st of i nst a lli n g a d dit i ona l co n trol

1 1 e q uip m ent whe n th a t c ap ital doe s no t pr o duc e any

1 2 b e nef i ts t o t h e b u sin es s, a n d i n fa c t w i ll m ake U.S.

1 3 p r odu c ers les s co m pet it ive a gai n st o ff- s hor e su p pli e rs

1 4 f r om B raz i l, C hil e , a nd Chi n a. No o the r na t ion in t he

1 5 w o rld has the env i ron me ntal cos t s t h at w e h a ve i n t h e

1 6 U n ite d St a tes.

1 7 I a m n ot ant i -en v iro n men t , b u t a t so m e

1 8 p o int

, if the cos t of a chie v ing imp r ove d en v iro n men t al

1 9 m e tri c s i s th e de s tru ct ion o f a n ec o nom y th e n s o me

2 0 b a lan c e m u st b e a c hie ve d. T he E PA h as t he o ppo r tun i ty

2 1 t o st r ike tha t ba l anc e by d o ing the fol l owi n g: One

, ask

2 2 t h e c o urt for mor e ti me to r efi n e t h e r e lat i ons and

2 3 a c hie v e a mor e re a son ab le s e t o f ru l es. Tw o , u s e E P A

2 4 d i scr e tio n to pro t ect p ubli c he a lth whi l e a v oid i ng

2 5 u n nec e ssa r y c a pit a l a nd ope r ati n g c o sts

. T h e e s tim a ted8 4

1 c o sts for the woo d pr od ucts ind u str y , f o r t h e

2 i n sta l lat i on o f c o ntr ol dev i ces

, is $6- to $ 7 b i lli o n.

3 W e mu s t e n sur e th a t t he ben e fit s de r ive d fr o m t h is

4 e x pen d itu r e a r e r e al, a nd n o t j u st e sti m ate s by a p a nel

5 o f ex p ert s wh o va r y w id ely o n t h eir est i mat e s of

6 b e nef i ts.

7 Th r ee, s et h e alt h -ba s ed e mis s ion rul e s

8 t h at r efl e ct t he t rue i mpac t on peo p le. Fo u r, c han g e

9 t h e m e tho d olo g y u s ed to det e rmi n e w h at t he i dea l MA C T

1 0 b o ile r wo u ld o per a te li ke. The EPA ' s a p pro a ch s eve r ely

1 1 b i ase d th e da t a a n d i s not r epr e sen t ati v e o f th e cu r rent

1 2 u n ive r se o f o p era t ing b oile r s a n d i n co n fli c t w i th t he

1 3 l a w.

1 4 I w ill c oncl u de b y a n tic i pat i ng t hat some

1 5 i n ter e st g rou p s w i ll ch arac t eri z e m y co m men t s a s a

1 6 t y pic a l s t rat e gy o f c ry ing " poo r ma n " w h en f ace d wi t h

1 7 n e w e n vir o nme n tal reg ul atio n s a n d c o sts

. A f ter

1 8 s u ffe r ing mul t iye a r l os ses, the sma l ler pri v ate l y h e ld

1 9 b u sin e ss

- - b u sin e sse s are i n f a ct p oor.

2 0 To tho se who wou l d a t tac k my com m ent s as a

2 1 t y pic a l b u sin e ss r eac ti on, I wo u ld i nvi t e t h em t o w a lk

2 2 i n my sho e s w i th t he re spon s ibi l ity of t ryi n g t o su s tain

2 3 a com

p any in t he w ors t econ o mic con d iti o ns o f t h e p a st

2 4 7 0 ye a rs a nd m ain t ain g ood p ayi n g j o bs w ith good

2 5 b e nef i ts f or o ver 1,0 00 fam i lie s

. T han k yo u fo r yo u r8 5

1 t i me t o p r ovi d e o u r v ie ws o n th e su b jec t

.

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. Q u est i ons?

3 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

4 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. At t his tim e , I have

5 a cou p le m ore spe a ker s. I' d li k e t o in v ite Jan

6 P r usi n ski and Sco t t O 'H ara t o t h e t a ble

, pl e ase.

7 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

8 MR

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. Pr u sin s ki?

9 MR

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. T he

1 0 n a me i s s p ell e d J

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, P-, a s i n Pa u l,

- R-U

- S-I

- N-S

- K-I.

1 1 I ' m t h e e x ecu t ive dir ec tor o f t h e C e men t Co u nci l of

1 2 T e xas

. W e re p res e nt th e ma j or c eme n t m a nuf a ctu r ers in

1 3 t h e S t ate of T exa s , a nd I w a nte d to mak e so m e s h ort

1 4 c o mme n ts o n t h e p r opo se d ru l e f o r i d ent i fic a tio n of

1 5 n o n-h a zar d ous sec o nda ry mat e ria l s t h at a re s oli d wa s tes.

1 6 O u r i n dus t ry i s -

- is e nvir o nme n t -

- en v iro n men t ally

1 7 r e spo n sib l e i n dus t ry in Tex a s a n d i n th e Un i ted Sta t es.

1 8 W e co m ply wit h en v iro nm ent l aws and reg u lat i ons.

1 9 Ou r co nc ern w ith the pro p ose d ru l e i s th a t

2 0 i t ma y se v ere l y l i mit t he u s e o f ou r in d ust r y t o use

2 1 a l ter n ati v e f u els in pr oduc i ng P ort l and cem e nt, whi c h is

2 2 a nec e ssa r y m a ter i al in the con s tru c tio n of

2 3 i n fra s tru c tur e of bui ld ings

, ho m es, roa d s i n th e Un i ted

2 4 S t ate s

. I 'd l ike to fo cus o n o n e p a rti c ula r as p ect of

2 5 a l ter n ati v e f u els

, an d that is s cra p ti r es. Sc r ap t ires8 6

1 a r e a maj o r p r obl e m i n this cou n try

, es p eci a lly in T exas

2 a l ong bor d er a rea s , a nd rea l ly i n t h e e n tir e wo r ld.

3 T h ere are abo u t 3 0 0 m il lion scr a p t i res pro d uce d or

4 r e all y di s car d ed i n t he Uni t ed S tat e s e v ery yea r

. A bout

5 6 0 mi l lio n of tho s e s cr ap t i res are bur n ed i n c e ment

6 k i lns as a lte r nat i ve fu els. Th a t's 20 p erc e nt o f t h e

7 s u ppl y of scr a ppe d ti re s th a t a r e u s ed a s a l ter n ati v e

8 f u els.

9 No w , w ha t's t he b ene f it o f d o ing tha t ?

1 0 W e ll, fir s t o f al l , a s crap tir e ha s ab o ut 3 3 --

1 1 a c tua l ly a bou t 25 per ce nt m o re B TU v alu e , t o n-p e r-k i ln,

1 2 t h an a to n of coa l , a nd abo u t t h e s a me B TU v alu e as oil

1 3 o n a p oun d -fo r -po u nd ba sis. In the U.S

. , t h ere were

1 4 a b out 12. 6 bi l lio n -- I 'm s o rry -- 1 2.6 tri l lio n BT U s of

1 5 e n erg y ge n era t ed i n t he cem e nt i ndu s try thr o ugh the use

1 6 o f sc r ap t ire s

. N ow, t his a voi d s t h e u s e o f ot h er

1 7 f u els

, vi r gin fos s il fu els s uch as c oal or o il o r o t her

1 8 m a ter i als

. I n al l ab ou t 3. 6 pe r cen t of the ene r gy t hat

1 9 i s us e d -

- no t el e ctr ic al e n erg y -- but is u sed to

2 0 p r odu c e P o rtl a nd c eme nt was don e by scr a p t i res.

2 1 Ab o ut 48 of t he 1 13 o r s o ce m ent pla n ts i n

2 2 t h e U n ite d St a tes are l icen s ed t o u s e s c rap tir e s, a nd

2 3 i n Te x as e igh t of ten p lant s ca n us e sc r ap t ire s

. S crap

2 4 t i res are -- a re a go od fue l

. T hey lim i t t h e a m oun t of

2 5 t i res tha t ar e ul t ima te ly d i spo s ed o f i n la n dfi l ls, and8 7

1 o f co u rse scr a p t i res p lace d in a l a ndf i ll, it' s -- it's

2 t h ere pre t ty m uch for ev er, a nd i t a t tra c ts b ugs and

3 i n sec t s a n d d i sea s e, ro dent s

. T he e mis s ion s th a t r e sult

4 f r om t he u se o f s c rap t ires are act u all y , a n d i n mo s t

5 c a ses

, re d uce d fr o m a c emen t pl a nt t hat bur n s s c rap

6 t i res.

7 Fo r in st ance

, th e di o xin and fur a n l e vels

8 t h at c ome out of a ce me nt p l ant

, wh i ch a re g ene r ally

9 v e ry s mal l to beg i n w it h, a r e o n e-t h ird of t hos e --

1 0 i n -- in a pl a nt t o u se s sc r ap t ire s , t h e d i oxi n /fu r an

1 1 l e vel s ar e ab o ut o ne- th ird o f t h ose as a pl a nt t hat does

1 2 n o t u s e s c rap p ed t ire s, and thi s is to a st a tis t ica l ly

1 3 s i gni f ica n tly lev e l. N Ox e m iss i ons are als o si g nif i cant

1 4 t o re d uce

. P a rti c ula te s ar e ab o ut 3 5 p e rce n t r e duc e d,

1 5 a l tho u gh p art i cul a tes a re v e ry, ver y sm a ll t o b e gin

1 6 w i th, and tha t is not a sta t ist i cal l y s i gni f ica n t

1 7 n u mbe r

. A ddi t ion a lly

, SOx a nd m eta l s e m iss i ons are

1 8 r e duc e d.

1 9 Ca r bon m onox i de a nd t ota l hy d roc a rbo n s a r e

2 0 s l igh t ly i ncr e ase d th ro ugh t he u se o f s c rap p ed t ire s

,

2 1 b u t n o t t o a s tat i sti ca lly s ign i fic a nt l eve l

. T he

- -

2 2 t h e r u les tha t EP A is

- - ar e pr o pos i ng f or t he

2 3 i d ent i fic a tio n of non -h azar d ous sec o nda r y m a ter i als that

2 4 a r e s o lid was t e, w e'r e real l y c o nce r ned tha t th i s w o uld

2 5 c o mpr o mis e th e ab i lit y for r esp o nsi b le i ndu s tri e s s u ch8 8

1 a s th e Po r tla n d c e men t indu s try tha t of f ici a lly uti l ize

2 t h ese was t es i n u s es su ch a s fu e l t h at w oul d

-- that

3 w o uld oth e rwi s e, i f t he was t es w ere not use d , c o mpr o mise

4 e n vir o nme n tal qua l ity.

5 An d I' d like to e nd w ith a n o te f rom the

6 T C BQ. Th i s i s a q uot e from one of t hei r pu b lic a tio n s

7 a n d -

- an d it was a p ub lica t ion on t he p rob l em w ith

8 s c rap p ed t ire s wi t hin t he S t ate of T exa s , a n d t h ey s aid

9 t h at c eme n t k i lns

, wh en bur n ing tir e s a t a h igh hea t

,

1 0 w h ich cem e nt k iln s al wa ys d o , a n d u s ing pol l uti o n

1 1 c o ntr o ls, whi c h a g ain

, ceme n t p l ant s al w ays do, do n ot

1 2 c o mpr o mis e ai r qu a lit y.

1 3 Th a nk yo u ve r y m u ch f or t he c han c e to

1 4 c o mme n t o n th e se r ule s. Ou r in d ust r y w i ll b e p r ovi d ing

1 5 w r itt e n c o mme n ts a nd co nstr u cti v e s u gge s tio n s o n how

1 6 t o -- how we w oul d li ke to s ee t hes e ru l es m odi f ied so

1 7 t h at t hey do n ot c omp ro mise our abi l ity to u se s eco n dary

1 8 m a ter i als as p eop l es [s ic]. Th a nk y ou.

1 9 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

2 0 q u est i ons

, Ma r c o r Ke n?

2 1 MR

. TH OM AS: Jus t on e cl a rif y ing

. D o you

2 2 k n ow t he n ame of t he do cume n t o r th e TC B Q r e por t th a t

2 3 y o u w e re c iti n g?

2 4 MR

. PR US INSK I : I wi l l h a ve

- - I don ' t

2 5 h a ve i t h e re. I c an ge t it to y ou.8 9

1 MR

. TH OM AS: In y our wri t ten com m ent?

2 MR

. PR US INSK I : I wi l l p r ovi d e t h at i n my

3 w r itt e n c o mme n ts.

4 MR

. TH OM AS: Tha t wi l l b e gr e at, tha n k

5 y o u.

6 MR

. WA YL AND: Ne x t, S cot t

. S cot t , i f you

7 c o uld be c are f ul n ot to let tha t wi r e h i t t h at. It ' s

8 v e ry s ens i tiv e

. P eop le wer e ha v ing pro b lem s wi t h it

9 t h is m orn i ng.

1 0 MR

. O' HA RA: Is i t o k ay n ow?

1 1 MR

. WA YL AND: Ye a h, i t s h oul d be oka y

.

1 2 MR

. O' HA RA: Yea h , s o my nam e is Sco t t

1 3 O ' Har a

. I 'm a co m mun it y or g ani z er w ith the Tex a s

1 4 C a mpa i gn f or t he E nvi ro nmen t

. I 'm a lso a c o nce r ned

1 5 r e sid e nt o f T e xas

. I 'm her e to d ay f irs t to app l aud the

1 6 E P A f o r i t s i n cre a sed s tand a rds on g ene r al e mis s ions

1 7 w i th l arg e pl a nts

. I t' s so m eth i ng t hat we d efi n ite l y

1 8 n e ed.

1 9 An inc re ase i n a i r q u ali t y i s de f ini t ely a

2 0 b i g H o ust o n. For man y, man y ye a rs w e'v e ha d ve r y l o w

2 1 q u ali t y, a nd o nly in th e pa s t c o upl e ye a rs h ave we

2 2 i n cre a sed it. Ho w eve r, we a re s til l no t at a -

- you

2 3 k n ow, on p ar w ith

, yo u know

, an y so r t o f he a lth

2 4 s t and a rds we n eed.

2 5 Ho w eve r, the s e b e nef i ts, I t h ink

, ca n be9 0

1 n e gat e d b y st a nda r ds th at w i ll a llo w fo r lo c al a rea

2 p l ant s to bur n lo c al wa ste, whe t her it b e t i res or o ther

3 p r odu c ts o n h a nd. Th is wil l be

-- t o i n cre a se l ocal

4 p o llu t ion for Hou s ton ; espe c ial l y, t his is a bi g de a l.

5 W e ha v e -

- th e nu m ber o ne e x cus e fo r st u den t s m i ssi n g

6 s c hoo l is ast h ma r ela te d. I f w e in c rea s e a i r e m iss i ons

7 f r om p lan t s t h at a re bu rnin g lo c al w ast e , t h is w ill not

8 d e cre a se, but inc r eas e.

9 I d on' t know if a nyb o dy n oti c ed t oda y , b u t

1 0 w e ac t ual l y h a ve a n o zo ne w a rni n g t o day

. I t 's s ome t hing

1 1 t h at h app e ns a lo t in t he c i ty. It ' s s o met h ing that

1 2 w i ll d ecr e ase wit h th es e ne w st a nda r ds f or l oca l ar e a

1 3 p l ant s

. A lso

, by all ow ing f or t hes e st a nda r ds, ben z ine,

1 4 a kno w n c a rci n oge n , w il l in c rea s e i n ou r ai r po l lut i on.

1 5 C a nce r ra t es h ave bee n on t h e r i se f or t he p ast cou p le

1 6 o f de c ade s

. T his wil l not h elp to a lev e th e si t uat i on.

1 7 La s tly

, I ju s t w a nte d to clo s e i n sa y ing

1 8 t h at, for the cit i zen s of H o ust o n, T exa s an d th e Un i ted

1 9 S t ate s , I can n ot s een a ny b e nef i ts f or t hes e lo c al a rea

2 0 s t and a rds and bur n ing l ocal was t e. It w ill onl y ca u se

2 1 i n cre a sed hea l th c ost s, inc r eas e d d e ath s , a n d t h ere is

2 2 n o be n efi t to the loc al cit i zen s

. T han k yo u ve r y m u ch.

2 3 MR

. WA YL AND: I h ad o ne c lar i fyi n g

2 4 q u est i on. Yo u me n tio ne d th e -- the ozo n e d a y.

2 5 MR

. O' HA RA: Yes.9 1

1 MR

. WA YL AND: Do you guy s kn o w w h at

2 p r opo r tio n in the Hou st on a r ea c ome s fr o m s t ati o nary

3 s o urc e s v e rsu s th e mo bi le s o urc e po p ula t ion?

4 MR

. O' HA RA: Off the top of m y h e ad, no, I

5 c o uld not tel l yo u , b ut I c a n s e e w h at I ca n do.

6 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y, t han k yo u

.

7 MR

. O' HA RA: Tha n k y o u.

8 MR

. WA YL AND: Th e ne x t s p eak e rs a re B en

9 J o hns o n a n d P h ill i p H uf feld t

.

1 0 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

1 1 MR

. WA YL AND: Mr

. Jo h nso n wh e n, y ou' r e

1 2 r e ady.

1 3 MR

. JO HN SON: My nam e is Ben Joh n son

. I ' m

1 4 a n em

p loy e e o f Me a dWe st vaco

, an hou r ly e mpl o yee of

1 5 M e adW e stv a co. We ' re a fore s t p a per com p any in E ast

1 6 T e xas

. I ' d l i ke t o b eg in b y th a nki n g y o u f o r t h e

1 7 o p por t uni t y t o sp e ak he re o n be h alf of t hes e he a rin g s on

1 8 t h e B o ile r MA C T.

1 9 Ou r in du stry is l ike any oth e r i n dus t ry

2 0 s t rug g lin g to rec o ver

. Our for e st p rod u cts ind u str y has

2 1 b e en s tru g gli n g t o re co ver f rom the rec e ssi o n. Our

2 2 u n emp l oym e nt r ate is st ill l ing e rin g ar o und 10 p erc e nt.

2 3 T h e C l ean Air Act rul e was r ece n tly ann o unc e d --

2 4 s p eci f ica l ly, Boi l er MA CT -

- co u ld b e u n sus t ain a ble for

2 5 m u ch o f t h e U

. S. m anu fa ctur i ng p roc e sse s , a n d a l so, the9 2

1 v e ry h igh pay i ng j obs t hat i t p r ovi d es, unl e ss t her e can

2 b e so m e g r eat e r f l exi bi lity all o wed in m eet i ng t hese

3 t a rge t s.

4 Le t me a lso s ay, the for e st p rod u cts

5 i n dus t ry, in g ene r al, i n my 20- y ear ten u re, def i nit e ly

6 s u ppo r ts a ny

- - a n d t ri es t o ad d res s an y se r iou s he a lth

7 t h rea t s f r om t he a ir em issi o ns a nd s upp o rts reg u lat i ons

8 t h at s ust a in b oth the e nvir o nme n t a n d n e arl y a m ill i on

9 j o bs t hat our men and w omen enj o y.

1 0 Un f ort un atel y , a pro p ose d ru l e w a s

1 1 p r opo s ed o n J u ne 4 th, d oes n ot a cco m pli s h t h ese

1 2 o b jec t ive s

. T he B oil er MAC T , a s pu b lis h ed o n J u ne 4 th,

1 3 w o uld str i ke a se v ere b low t o o u r m a nuf a ctu r ing eco n omy

1 4 i s fa r mo r e s t ric t er th an n e ede d to pro t ect the

1 5 e n vir o nme n t. EPA has t he o p por t uni t y, a nd i n m y vi e w,

1 6 t h e r e spo n sib i lit y , t o meet -- t o m o dif y the

1 7 r e qui r eme n ts a nd s til l be f a ith f ul t o i t s l e gal

1 8 o b lig a tio n s u n der the C lean Air Act.

1 9 Th e Bo il er M A CT w oul d re q uir e in s tal l ati o n

2 0 o f up to f our dif f ere nt air pol l uti o n c o ntr o l d e vic e s,

2 1 a n d t h ose wou l d s e rve - - co n fli c t, i n s o me c ase s , w i th

2 2 s o me o f o u r e x ist i ng co ntro l s. The cos t to ind i vid u al

2 3 p l ant s , s u ch a s t h e o ne tha t I w ork at, wou l d b e --

2 4 c o uld be a s m u ch a s t en s of mil l ion s of dol l ars in

2 5 a d dit i ona l ca p ita l , w hi ch m a y n o t b e su s tai n abl e , g i ven9 3

1 t h e e c ono m ic d own t urn a nd t h e f i erc e in t ern a tio n al

2 c o mpe t iti o n. And let m e ju s t s a y t h at. Th e fi e rce

3 i n ter n ati o nal com p eti ti on.

4 No oth er cou n try in t he w orl d is imp o sing

5 r e qui r eme n ts l ike the se , wh i ch p uts -- w hic h ma k es a

6 v e ry u nle v el p lay i ng fi eld f or u s. It p uts us a t a huge

7 c o mpe t iti v e d i sad v ant ag e. A cro s s t h e f o res t pr o duc t s

8 i n dus t ry, the s e r u les c ould cos t an y whe r e f r om $ 6- t o $7

9 b i lli o n o v er t he n ext t wo t o fo u r y e ars whe n the

1 0 i n dus t ry i tse l f o n ly ma de a fra c tio n of tha t ov e r t h e

1 1 l a st t wo y ear s

.

1 2 Th i s w ou ld r e sul t in the sev e re h ard s hip s

,

1 3 a n d s o met h ing tha t I' m very pas s ion a te a bou t , c o uld cost

1 4 t e ns o f t h ous a nds of jo b lo s ses in t he f ore s t p r odu c ts

1 5 s e cto r al o ne. An d gi ve n th e co s t o f ot h er l ike l y

1 6 e n vir o nme n tal pro g ram s, the com p oun d ef f ect s of the

--

1 7 t h e c o mpo u nd e ffe c ts in job los s es w oul d be muc h la r ger

1 8 i n a s ect o r t h at' s lo st 350

, 000 job s si n ce t he d own t urn

1 9 b e gan in 2 006

. I t 's mu ch g r eat e r t h an t hat whe n yo u go

2 0 b a ck t o 2 0 01 a nd 2 002.

2 1 We ' ve id enti f ied sev e ral of t he b road

2 2 a r eas for imp r ove m ent i n Bo i ler MAC T

. F irs t of all

, we

2 3 e n cou r age tha t th e EP A has i nvi t ed c omm e nt a nd g ives

2 4 S e cti o n 1 1 2, w hic h al lo ws f a cil i tie s to avo i d c o ntr o ls

2 5 w h ere ris k s o f st r uct ur al p o llu t ant s li k e g a ses and9 4

1 m a nga n ese are sho w n t o be s a fe. We bel i eve this

2 a p pro a ch s hou l d b e ad op ted a nd a fi n al r ule for use on a

3 f a cil i ty- b y-f a cil i ty ba sis.

4 Th a t's a sur e fir e wa y to tar g et i nve s tme n t

5 t o on l y w h ere pro b lem s exis t , a n d i t 's a bso l ute l y

6 i m per a tiv e th a t w e ta ke a h e alt h -ba s ed a ppr o ach

, gi v en

7 t h e e c ono m ic i mpl i cat io ns o f th i s r u le.

8 Se c ond ly , th e li m its tha t EP A ha s se t are

9 u n nec e ssa r ily str i nge nt bec a use the y do not ref l ect --

1 0 t h e v a ria b ili t y o c cur s in r e al w orl d be s t-p e rfo r ming

1 1 b o ile r s. The s e b o ile rs go t hro u gh w arm

- ups

, sh u tdo w ns,

1 2 l o ad s win g s, f uel mix

, and f uel

- qua l ity cha n ges

. W h en

1 3 t h e E P A r e lie s on the

- - on the tes t da t a f r om a sh o rt

1 4 p e rio d of tim e , i t 's mi ssin g th e in h ere n t v a ria b ili t y

1 5 t h at o ccu r s i n th e re al wor l d e v en a t -

- ev e n o n so m e of

1 6 t h e b e st o per a tin g bo il ers.

1 7 Th i rd, t he d a ta u sed in s ett i ng e mis s ion

1 8 l i mit s is hea v ier by th e to p -pe r for m ing uni t s g i ven the

1 9 w a y i t wa s co l lec t ed an d so r ted

. T h is w as b orn e ou t by

2 0 t h e f a ct o nly a h a ndf ul of t he e xis t ing uni t s, i nde e d

2 1 a l l t h e l i mit s , c a n y ou exp e ct 1 2 p e rce n t o f the

2 2 t h ous a nds of b oil e rs in thi s co u ntr y to ach i eve

2 3 l i mit s -- to a chi e ve th ose l imi t s a c cor d ing to t he l aw.

2 4 E P A n e eds to l ook at ot her a vai l abl e da t a t o pa i nt a

2 5 m o re r eal i sti c pi c tur e of b o ile r pe r for m anc e fo r ea c h of9 5

1 t h e h a zar d ous par t icu la tes i n t h is s ubc a teg o ry.

2 Fi n all y, fed e ral lim i ts f or b iom a ss a re

3 s e t e x tre m ely low bec au se t h e b a sel i ne a nd e mis s ion s are

4 v e ry l ow c omp a red to ot her f uel s

. E mis s ion s and

5 h y dro g en c hlo r ide and d ioxi n an d me r cur y ar e pr e sen t in

6 v e ry s mal l am o unt s in w ood a nd a re i nco n seq u ent i al

7 s o urc e s o f th e po l lut an ts, y et t he c ost s to ach i eve

8 t h ese ver y lo w le v els b ecom e ex p one n tia l ly m ore

9 e x pen s ive and can ' t b e cons i ste n tly ach i eve d

.

1 0 Th e li mi ts a r e u n dul y in f lue n ced by H APs

1 1 t h at c oul d no t de t ect t hat t he H AP- s ugg e ste d em i ssi o n

1 2 l i mit s sh o uld be d rop pe d or at l eas t be rep l ace d by

1 3 r e ali s tic wor k pr a cti ce s. S o w e be l iev e th a t f i rst the

1 4 E P A s h oul d us e a r eas on able met h od t o s e t t h e m a x l i mits

1 5 b a sed on w hat rea l be st per f orm i ng u nit s ca n ac t ual l y

1 6 a c hie v e. EPA mus t fa ct or i n to t he M ACT of v ari a bil i ty

1 7 a n d o p era t ion s , f u el, d esig n s, a s I pre v iou s ly s tat e d,

1 8 a n d t h e p e rfo r man c e a cr oss t he m ain dif f ere n t t y pes of

1 9 b o ile r s.

2 0 Se c ond

, the E PA s hou l d r e vis e it s ap p roa c h

2 1 f r om b iom a ss b oil e rs to ens u re t hat the s e b o ile r s a r e

2 2 n o t p e nal i zed unt i l t he y st a rt w ith a c l ean e r f u el. And

2 3 t h ird

, th e EP A sh o uld i nclu d e a hea l th- s tru c tur a l

2 4 s t and a rd i n t h e f i nal B oile r MA C T r u le t o t a rget

2 5 e n vir o nme n tal inv e stm en ts w h ere the r e i s a r eal need9 6

1 b a sed on r igo r ous dem on stra t ion of p oll u tan t s l i ke

2 h y dro g en c hlo r ide

, ma ng anes e , a n d n o t p o se a n a d ver s e

3 r i sk. Th a nk y ou v ery m uch.

4 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou, sir

. A n y

5 q u est i ons?

6 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

7 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

8 Ph i lli p?

9 MR

. HU FF ELDT : A r e w e ok a y w i th t he w ire s ?

1 0 MR

. WA YL AND: Ye a h, I th i nk w e'r e go o d.

1 1 MR

. HU FF ELDT : W e ll, tha n k y o u f o r t h e

1 2 o p por t uni t y t o sp e ak, a nd t h ank you for you r co m men t s.

1 3 M y na m e's Phi l lip Huf fe ldt, and I w a s b o rn a nd r ais e d in

1 4 H o ust o n, T exa s

. A ctu al ly, t hat ' s n o t e x act l y a c cur a te.

1 5 I gre w up

, fo r a g ood p orti o n o f my chi l dho o d, i n

1 6 L a Po r te, Tex a s, w hic h is f a irl y cl o se t o a lot of

1 7 r e fin e rie s an d po r t t ra ffic

, an d I c an j ust say

, as a --

1 8 a s a c omm o n c i tiz e n, I grew up w ith sev e re a sth m a a n d --

1 9 y o u k n ow, I'm -- I wa nt do a voi d to o em o tio n al o f

2 0 t e sti m ony

, be c aus e em ot ions ten d to not wei g h t o o h i ghly

2 1 a g ain s t t h e f a cts.

2 2 Bu t I ca n te l l y o u t h at, alt h oug h it is

2 3 n o t k n own exa c tly wha t caus e d t h e a s thm a th a t I had as a

2 4 k i d, I wa s ho o ked up

-- or I ha d to use an o xyg e n

2 5 b r eat h ing mac h ine for s ever a l y e ars whe n it was the9 7

1 w o rst

. I -- I ha d to g o th r oug h , y o u k n ow, two or t hree

2 i n hal e rs a t a tim e

. An d I e ven t ual l y d i d g r ow o ut o f it

3 a n d n o w o n ly h ave col d or e x erc i se- i ndu c ed a sth m a. And

4 i t is pro v en t hat ozo ne and oth e r p a rti c ula t es a nd

- - or

5 p a rti c ula t es i n o t her a irbo r ne p oll u tan t s a n d c h emi c als

6 h a ve a st r ong con n ect io n to ast h ma, I d o n't hav e any

7 p a rti c ula r do c ume n ts to cit e fo r th a t, b ut I be l iev e it

8 i s re a dil y av a ila b le to the pub l ic.

9 An d , y ou kno w , h a vin g gr o wn u p a s on e of

1 0 t h e -

- th a t w a s a f fec te d by ast h ma, I c a n s a y t h at i t is

1 1 n o t p l eas a nt a nd d efi ni tely hin d ers you r ab i lit y to

1 2 d e vel o p, w hen you los e hour s an d da y s o f sc h ool and

1 3 t h ese typ e s o f th i ngs

. And goi n g o n to -- t o t h is

1 4 p r opo s al, fir s t o f al l, tha n k y o u t o th e EP A for

1 5 d e fin i tel y do i ng m ore t o pr o tec t th e ai r an d th e pe o ple

1 6 t h at b rea t he i t i n te rm s of fig h tin g em i ssi o ns a nd

1 7 t e lli n g t h e T C EQ t o t he Tex a s E m iss i on o n E n vir o nme n tal

1 8 Q u ali t y t o st r eng t hen t heir

-- t hei r ac t ion s and

1 9 p r ote c tio n s a n d -

- an d actu a lly get t ing ref i ner i es a nd

2 0 d i ffe r ent pla n ts t o o be y th e Cl e an A ir A ct m ore -- m ore

2 1 o r le s s.

2 2 An d I ca n sa y , y o u k n ow, tha t it is m y

2 3 u n der s tan d ing tha t lo op hole s ca n be fou n d, a nd i t

2 4 a p pea r s t h at t his par ti cula r pr o pos a l c r eat e s l o oph o les

2 5 f o r t h e b u rni n g -

- lo ca l bu r nin g of all the s e d i ffe r ent9 8

1 s u bst a nce s ; t i res

, pl as tics

, et cet e ra, and

, yo u kn o w,

2 h a vin g -- hav i ng g row n up n e xt t o t h e r e fin e rie s an d

,

3 y o u k n ow, mos t li k ely b eing aff e cte d by the air

4 s t and a rds the r e, I ca n say t hat thi s is mos t li k ely

5 g o ing to l ead to m ore - - mo r e s u bst a nce s in the air and

6 m o re p art i cul a te m att er , ca r bon mon o xid e , a n d t h e

7 d i ffe r ent sub s tan c es th at h e lp f orm the ozo n e. But I

8 w o uld jus t li k e t o sa y that

-- p lea s e r e con s ide r th e se

9 l o oph o les.

1 0 Pl e ase r econ s ide r de f ini n g m o re c are f ull y

,

1 1 a n d r e gul a tin g mo r e c ar eful l y t h ese dif f ere n t p r opo s ed

1 2 f u els

, an d do tha t wi th con s ide r ati o n t o th o se t hat

1 3 r e all y ha v e n o co n tro l over -- p ers o nal l y h a ve n o

1 4 c o ntr o l o v er w hat is ha ppen i ng i n t h ese pla n ts, and in

1 5 t h ese boi l ers and inc in erat o rs b eca u se, you kno w , a l l we

1 6 c a n d o is vot e an d sp ea k ou t su c h a s at thi s he a rin g

.

1 7 An d so h opef u lly our tes t imo n y i s as

1 8 c o mmo n ci t ize n s a n d n ot as e nvi r onm e nta l ist s

. I do -- I

1 9 d o wo r k f o r t h e T e xas C ampa i gn f or t he E nvi r onm e nt a s a

2 0 c o mmu n ity org a niz e r, an d pe r hap s pe o ple tal k ing to u s,

2 1 o r di f fer e nt o rga n iza ti ons l ike Air All i anc e Ho u sto n

,

2 2 c a n p e rha p s l e nd m ore t o th e ir q uot e /un q uot e vo t e in

2 3 s o cie t y t o he l p p r ote ct the i r o w n a i r s t and a rds

, be c ause

2 4 w h en t hes e th i ngs get b urne d , I kno w th e re a re c ert a in

2 5 s t and a rds tha t ar e be in g pr o pos e d t h at w ill reg u late9 9

1 l e ad a nd m erc u ry a nd pa rtic u lat e ma t ter.

2 Bu t ov er all, it

- - I thi n k i t ca n go

3 w i tho u t s a yin g th a t o ft en t h ese thi n gs c an g o p a st t he

4 r e gul a tio n s t h at n ot ev eryo n e o b eys the reg u lat i ons;

5 t h ey d o w h at t hey can t o pr o tec t th e bo t tom dol l ar, and

6 i n th e lo n g r u n, a he al thy s oci e ty w ill do m ore to

- -

7 w i tho u t m i ssi n g w o rkd ay s or sic k da y s -

- si c k d a ys w ill

8 d o mo r e f o r t h e e c ono my tha n be i ng a llo w ed t o b u rn m ore

9 s u bst a nce s cl o se t o h om e.

1 0 An d wi th tha t sa i d, I wo u ld j ust urg e you

1 1 t o tr u ly c ons i der eve ry one' s in t ere s t i n th i s a n d n o t

1 2 j u st e con o mic int e res t for i ndu s try pro f ess i ona l s. We

1 3 d o n't vot e fo r ou r lo bb yist s , f o r t h e l o bby i sts on

1 4 C a pit o l H i ll, and eve ry oth e r C a pit o l H i ll i n s t ate s

,

1 5 c i tie s , a n d t h at s ort o f th i ng. So ple a se t ake this

1 6 s e mi- e mot i ona l te s tim on y as an a dde n dum to m y v o te t o --

1 7 m

y vo t e o f co n fid e nce i n th e go v ern m ent and your

1 8 a d min i str a tio n

. S o t ha nk y o u v e ry m uch for this

1 9 o p por t uni t y a n d, y ou kn ow, p lea s e l e t u s -- tha n k y o u.

2 0 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

2 1 q u est i ons?

2 2 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

2 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou, gen t lem e n, v ery

2 4 m u ch.

2 5 Ok a y. O ur n e xt t wo s pea k ers wil l be Lau r a1 0 0

1 G i bso n an d Dr e w C o ver t.

2 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

3 MS

. GI BS ON: Hel l o.

4 MR

. WA YL AND: He l lo.

5 MS

. GI BS ON: My n ame is L aur a Gi b son.

6 T h ank you so m uch for t he o p por t uni t y t o co m e a n d s p eak.

7 I ' m a Hou s ton res i den t. I w as b orn her e an d ra i sed

8 h e re. I a lso wor k fo r the T exa s Ca m pai g n f o r t h e

9 E n vir o nme n t, a nd I 'm ve ry p r oud of t hat

, be c aus e li k e

1 0 y o u a r e w o rki n g h a rd to kee p th e ai r an d wa t er c lea n

,

1 1 n o t f o r p r ofi t , y o u k no w, i t 's g ood wor k an d I' m pr o ud

1 2 o f it.

1 3 Bu t as a res u lt o f t h at, I'm ala r med and

1 4 c o nce r ned by t he p rop os ed d e reg u lat i on o f e m iss i on

1 5 c o ntr o ls a nd r ede f ini ti on o f so l id w ast e

. W e'v e al r eady

1 6 e x per i enc e d t h e n e gat iv e. R esu l ts a re a ttr i but e d to

1 7 d e reg u lat i on i n t h is co untr y

. W atc h ing our ban k s f a il

1 8 a n d l i vin g th r oug h th e rece s sio n , w h ich I t h ink is

1 9 b e tte r de s cri b ed a s a d epre s sio n , y e ah, has exe m pli f ied

2 0 t h e g r eat nee d fo r ac co unta b ili t y i n al l Am e ric a n

2 1 i n dus t rie s

.

2 2 I n o l on ger t rus t bi g bu s ine s s,

2 3 c o rpo r ati o ns, ind u str y. My sho r t l i fe e xpe r ien c e in

2 4 e d uca t ion has sho w n m e that the y do n 't a lwa y s h a ve m y

2 5 b e st i nte r est at h ear t. Wh i te c oll a r c r ime is s o1 0 1

1 p r eva l ent tha t it was o ffer e d a s a c our s e a t my Alma

2 m a ter

, wh i ch i s S t . J oh n's. We nee d th e En v iro n men t al

3 P r ote c tio n Ag e ncy to pr otec t us fro m th e da n ger o us a nd

4 h a rmf u l p o llu t ant s th at ind u str y cr e ate s

. I do n 't t hink

5 t h ere ' s a pri c e t h at ca n be put on h uma n he a lth

. T h ere

6 a r e s o me t hin g s t h at mo ney c an' t co v er u p a n d f i x; a

7 g r eat exa m ple bei n g t he oil spi l l. BP c an' t wr i te a

8 c h eck yet to f ix t hat.

9 So tha nk you so m uch for pro p osi n g

1 0 s t and a rds to c ont r ol un regu l ate d to x ic a ir p oll u tio n

.

1 1 S t and str o ng a nd c ont in ue t o st r eng t hen reg u lat i on.

1 2 T h ere in p lac e to pro te ct h u man hea l th. We rel y on you

1 3 t o do tha t , s o th a nk yo u ve r y m u ch.

1 4 MR

. WA YL AND: Qu e sti o ns?

1 5 MR

. BO YC E: N o, s ir.

1 6 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

1 7 MR

. CO VE RT: Hel l o.

1 8 MR

. WA YL AND: Ye a h, y ou' r e n e xt.

1 9 MR

. CO VE RT: My n ame is D rew Cov e rt. I'm

2 0 a com

m uni t y o r gan i zer w ith t he T exa s Ca m pai g n f o r t h e

2 1 E n vir o nme n t. Fir s tly

, I'd l ike to t han k yo u fo r the

2 2 o p por t uni t y -

- th a nk yo u gu y s f o r t h e o p por t uni t y to

2 3 s p eak

. I ' ve l ive d he re in H ous t on f or a bou t tw o ye a rs.

2 4 T h e f i rst thi n g w h en I move d he r e -

- I m ove d fr o m

2 5 T e nne s see

, an d we hav e pret t y c l ean air out the r e; n ot1 0 2

1 m a ny

- - w h ere I'm fro m, the r e's not man y -- not much

2 i n dus t ry a rou n d t h at ca n po l lut e

. B ut t he f irs t th i ng I

3 n o tic e d h e re w as t he ho rrib l e a i r q u ali t y.

4 Th e se co nd I ste p ped foo t of f th e pl a ne,

5 y o u c o uld sme l l i t in t he a i r, t he o il, jus t the

6 p o llu t ion

, in gen e ral

. The r e a r e d a ys, mos t ly t he o zone

7 d a ys, tha t Mr

. O' H ara w as m e nti o nin g th a t I can walk

8 a r oun d

-- I c a n l i ter al ly f e el m y l u ngs bur n ing

. T h e

9 s u n i s ho t on you r sk in . Y o u c a n f e el t he d efi n ite

1 0 e f fec t s o f po l lut i on th at w e fa c e o n a d ay- t o-d a y b a sis

1 1 h e re j ust as a re s ide nt

.

1 2 Th e pr op osit i on t o d e reg u lat e wh a t t h e

1 3 i n dus t ry c an b urn in it s in c ine r ato r s i s no t on l y a

1 4 h o rri b le i dea

. I bel ie ve i t 's i gno r ing all Hou s ton i ans

1 5 r i ght s to cle a n a i r. T he E P A h a s b e en d oin g an ama z ing

1 6 j o b f o r H o ust o n i n th e past yea r s, s o i t di d a g rea t job

1 7 r a isi n g t h e o z one sta nd ards

, an d I g rea t ly a ppr e cia t e

1 8 i t

. I gr e atl y ap p rec ia te i t

. D on' t ta k e t h is m ass i ve

1 9 s t ep b ack w ard s

.

2 0 Th e EP A, as I lo o k a t th e m, t hey ' re

2 1 s u ppo s ed t o l o ok a fte r the p eop l e a n d n o t t h e i n dus t ry.

2 2 Y o ur j ob i s t o lo o k a ft er t h e A m eri c ans

, no t -- you

2 3 k n ow, the

-- t he i ndu st ry, w ho t ech n ica l ly c an v ote --

2 4 I ' m n o t g o nna get sta rt ed o n th a t. But by a dop t ing this

2 5 r u le, you ' re a llo w ing t he i n dus t ry t o p u mp m ill i ons of1 0 3

1 p o und s of dio x in a nd ot her c hem i cal s in t o t h e l o cal air.

2 D i oxi n is a s i ngl e -- i t's t he s ing l e w o rst hum a n

3 c a rci n oge n kn o wn t o m an , an d it s ma i n c a use is

4 i n cin e rat o rs. I c an' t real l y s p ell it o ut a ny c lea r er

5 t h an t hat

. Y o u'r e li te rall y pu m pin g th e nu m ber one

6 w o rst che m ica l fo r hu ma n he a lth int o ou r ai r by all o wing

7 t h is t o h a ppe n

.

8 So I a sk you -- n o, I im p lor e yo u no t to

9 l e t t h is h app e n. I r ea lly

- - I jus t wa n t y o u t o ask

1 0 y o urs e lf, wha t I w oul d I wa n t i n my com m uni t y. I k n ow

1 1 y o u g u ys k now the ans we r to tha t qu e sti o n, s o d o n't

1 2 t r ash us. Do n 't t ras h our l ung s

. H ous t on, I l o ve t his

1 3 c i ty, but the pol l uti on has mad e it to t he p oin t to

1 4 w h ere I -

- I f eel tha t I ca n not exi s t i n th i s c i ty. Do

1 5 i t fo r us

. T h at' s al l I ha v e t o sa y

.

1 6 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

1 7 Q u est i ons?

1 8 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

1 9 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou, guy s

. W e h a ve

2 0 t w o m o re s pea k ers sig ne d up

. C h ris Kev l in a nd V ance

2 1 N o be. An d if I m i spr on ounc e d t h at, I'm sor r y.

2 2 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

2 3 MR

. NO BE : G o od m orn i ng. Th a nk y ou v ery

2 4 m u ch f or a llo w ing the o ppor t uni t y t o sp e ak o n t h is

2 5 s u bje c t. Fir s t o f f, I did w ant to t han k the1 0 4

1 E n vir o nme n tal Pro t ect io n Ag e ncy

. Y o u r e all y ha v e b e en

2 c o nti n uin g to saf e gua rd our -- t he h eal t h a n d w e ll- b eing

3 o f th e re s ide n ts.

4 MR

. WA YL AND: Fo r th e re c ord

, si n ce t his

5 i s be i ng t ran s cri b ed, c ould you sta t e y o ur n ame.

6 MR

. KO BE : O h , y e s.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: An d yo u r a f fil i ati o n,

8 p l eas e

.

9 MR

. NO BE : Y e s. My n ame is V anc e No b e,

1 0 a n d I ' m w i th A kar i En er gy. We' r e a ren e wab l e e n ergy

1 1 c o mpa n y a n d w e de v elo pe d re n ewa b le t ech n olo g y, a s w e ll

1 2 a s po w er p lan t s.

1 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou.

1 4 MR

. NO BE : T h ank you

. I did wan t to tha n k

1 5 t h e E P A f o r c o nti n uin g to s u ppo r t a n d t o re a lly

1 6 s a feg u ard the hea l th an d we l l-b e ing of a ll t he r esi d ents

1 7 i n th e co u ntr y

. A lso

, in l i ght of a ll t he r ece n t

1 8 e n vir o nme n t i s sue s , e sp ecia l ly l oca l ly h ere

, I r eal l y

1 9 a p pre c iat e -- I t h ink w e're loo k ing to y ou t o h e lp

2 0 c o nti n ue o n t h at s upp or t an d ke e pin g ou r en v iro n ment

2 1 c l ean.

2 2 I o nly h ave a ge n era l co m men t as far as

2 3 c h ang e s i n re g ula t ion

, is t h at i n t h e i s sue of b iom a ss

2 4 a n d c o mpa r ing it w ith c oal- f ire d , b i oma s s i s on e of the

2 5 r e new a ble ene r gie s th at we c ert a inl y ar e tr y ing to1 0 5

1 d e vel o p m o re. We ' re tr ying to d eve l op a re n ewa b le

2 e n erg y sy s tem to r epl ac e th e cu r ren t fo s sil fuel

3 t e chn o log i es, and the re are a l o t o f ch a lle n ges with

4 t h at.

5 An y ad di tion a l r e str i cti o ns t o e m iss i ons

6 r e lat e d t o bi o mas s ce rt ainl y ad d s a d dit i ona l ch a lle n ges

7 t o wh a t i s al r ead y ex is ting

. O n e o f th e is s ues with

8 b i oma s s i s th e co s t. Y ou k n ow, we' r e a l way s tr y ing to

9 d e vel o p n e w b i oma s s-t yp e fa c ili t ies and new pla n ts, but

1 0 w e al w ays hav e to com pe te w i th c ost of e xis t ing fos s il

1 1 f u el p lan t s, s o w e 're t ryin g to alw a ys w atc h th o se

1 2 c o sts

. A n y n e w r e gul at ion

- - t h is i s i n ge n era l

-- any

1 3 n e w r e gul a tio n s t h at re stri c t e m iss i ons on b iom a ss

1 4 p l ant s , w h ile sma l l, an y sm a ll c han g es c an a dd

1 5 a d dit i ona l co s ts, whi ch mak e s -

- co u ld m ake bio m ass

1 6 p l ant s sl i ght l y l e ss ec onom i cal l y f e asi b le.

1 7 So tho se sma l l c h ang e s h a ve a bi g im p act,

1 8 a n d I kno w fr o m o v era ll , th e -- the fed e ral gov e rnm e nt,

1 9 t h e s t ate gov e rnm e nt, a nd l o cal age n cie s ha v e b e en

2 0 c e rta i nly pus h ing for r enew a ble ene r gy, and whe r e --

2 1 a r eas whe r e t h ere is an abu n dan c e o f bi o mas s , p u shi n g

2 2 f o r b i oma s s. I m e an, t hat' s a g ood thi n g t h at h elps

2 3 c l ean our env i ron m ent

. So o n t h e o n e h a nd, it h elp s to

2 4 h a ve b iom a ss b ein g pu sh ed f o rwa r d, b ut i f o n th e ot h er

2 5 h a nd w e h a ve a ddi t ion al reg u lat i ons

, wh i ch r est r ict the1 0 6

1 u s age of i t, t hat cre at es a lot of h ind r anc e s.

2 So all I 'm a s kin g is tha t th o se

3 c o nsi d era t ion s be put i n pl a ce i nto new reg u lat i ons to

4 r e all y fr e e b i oma s s t o let u s d e vel o p t h e b i oma s s

5 f a cil i tie s an d

-- and r ecei v e t h e c o nti n ual enc o ura g ing

6 o f th e fe d era l , s t ate

, and l oca l le v els

. B i oma s s i s a

7 v e ry c hal l eng i ng t ech no logy

, an d we cer t ain l y w a nt t o

8 c o nti n ue.

9 Ri g ht no w in the cou n try

, on l y 4 per c ent

1 0 o f th e po w er g ene r ate d is f r om b iom a ss w her e 49 per c ent

1 1 i s ge n era t ed f rom coa l- fire d pl a nts

. S o if

-- i f y o u

1 2 w a nt t o p u t r e gul a tio n, you kno w , a s a c omp a ris o n, i t is

1 3 g o od t o p u t m o re r egu la tion on c oal

- fir e d p l ant s be c ause

1 4 t h at' s wh e re m ajo r ity o f th e em i ssi o ns a re c omi n g f r om,

1 5 w h ere a s b i oma s s, i t's s uch a fl e a b i te r igh t no w

. T o

1 6 p u t m o re r egu l ati o ns on tha t re a lly doe s n't hav e an

1 7 i m pac t on the env i ron me nt, a nd i t h a s a det r ime n tal

1 8 a f fec t be c aus e yo u im pe de g r owt h in ren e wab l e e n erg y

.

1 9 An d la st ly, I 'd l ike to s ay, I'm fro m -- I

2 0 h a ve l ive d in Tex a s. I 've b een in T exa s th e la s t t e n

2 1 y e ars and I l o ve t his s tate

. T h is i s t h e b e st

- - I

2 2 r e all y lo v e t h is s tat e. I' m fr o m H a wai i or i gin a lly and

2 3 t h at' s ce r tai n ly a gr ee n st a te, but Tex a s i s th e la n d of

2 4 o p por t uni t y, a nd I re al ly t h ink tha t -- I r e all y th i nk

2 5 t h at t he E PA, in p art ne rshi p wi t h l o cal gov e rnm e nts

, can1 0 7

1 r e all y ma k e a big dif fe renc e

. T han k yo u ve r y m u ch.

2 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. W ill

3 y o u b e pr o vid i ng a ny wr itte n co m men t s o n th i s r u le w here

4 y o u m i ght mak e so m e s ug gest i ons on h ow w e c a n d e al w ith

5 s o me o f t h e i s sue s of b ioma s ses fac i ng?

6 MR

. NO BE : A b sol u tel y

.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: So m e r e com m end a tio n s or

8 s o met h ing for us?

9 MR

. NO BE : Y e s, a bso l ute l y. It' s a

- -

1 0 i t 's a hu g e i s sue and t here is

- - y o u k n ow, mos t of the

1 1 c o unt r y, t hey

-- t hey d on't hav e mu c h s o lar res o urc e s

1 2 a n d t h ere ' s n o t e n oug h wind res o urc e s, s o w h at' s le f t,

1 3 r e all y bi o mas s is one o f th e an s wer s , a n d w e ne e d -

- we

1 4 n e ed y our hel p

. W e n ee d yo u r s u ppo r t t o go for w ard.

1 5 MR

. WA YL AND: We loo k fo r war d to your

1 6 c o mme n ts. Th a nk y ou.

1 7 MR

. NO BE : S u re.

1 8 MR

. WA YL AND: Va n ce?

1 9 MR

. KE VL IN: I'm Chr i s.

2 0 MR

. WA YL AND: So r ry. Ch r is. I g ot y our

2 1 n a mes bac k war d s.

2 2 MR

. KE VL IN: Tha n k y o u f o r m u ch f or g ivi n g

2 3 m e ti m e t o sp e ak. I ap prec i ate tha t ve r y m u ch. I'm

2 4 w i th

- - I ' m a com m uni ty org a niz e r w i th T exa s Ca m pai g n

2 5 f o r t h e E n vir o nme n t, an d I' d ju s t l i ke t o m a ke a ge n eral1 0 8

1 c o mme n t o n en v iro n men ta l re g ula t ion s an d ru l es. Li k e

2 s i nce the '70 s , t h e g ov ernm e nt h as t ake n a b ig s tep to

3 i n cre a se a ir q ual i ty, i n ge n era l , r i ght ? I n ev e ry s tep

4 t h at t hey ' ve t ake n , t he bus i nes s co m mun i ty h as c ome out

5 a n d s a id t hat we' r e g on na l o se t hou s and s of job s , i t 's

6 g o ing to r uin our bus in ess, in a ll o f i t s s t uff like

7 t h at, and rea l ly, it ha sn't -- l ike the r e h a sn' t be e n an

8 e c ono m ic d own t urn tha t you c an r eal l y b l ame on

9 e n vir o nme n tal reg u lat io ns. The eco n omy is, tho u gh, a

1 0 l o t m o re f lex i ble and a ble t o a c cep t en v iro n men t al

1 1 r e gul a tio n s i n ge n era l, and in b usi n ess e s a r e a lot more

1 2 f l exi b le t han the y re al ize.

1 3 I m ean

, I -- it' s ju s t t o ugh e r f o r t h em t o

1 4 m a ke c han g es s o w h en

-- whe n lo o kin g to mak e -- to

1 5 c h ang e th e se r ule s , j us t ke e p t h at i n m i nd w hen they

1 6 c o me o ut h ere and tel l you i t's gon n a r u in o ur b usi n ess,

1 7 w e 're goi n g t o -- tho us ands of p eop l e a r e g o ing to b e

1 8 u n emp l oye d

. I f y o u l oo k at the pas t , t h at r eal l y h a sn't

1 9 h a ppe n ed o n a con s ist en t ba s is. An d th a t's jus t wh a t --

2 0 t h e c o mme n ts I 'd l ike t o ma k e. Tha n k y o u v e ry m uch.

2 1 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou. An y cl a rif y ing

2 2 c o mme n ts?

2 3 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

2 4 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h . I

2 5 t h ink wha t we ' re g oin g to d o is tak e an o the r re c ess

. We1 0 9

1 h a ve a ha l f-d o zen fol ks who are sup p ose d to tes t ify here

2 b e for e lu n ch b ut t hey h ave n ot a rri v ed y et, so r ath e r

3 t h an b rea k fo r lu n ch an d ha v e t h em s how up, we' r e j u st

4 g o ing to r ece s s h e re. If y o u'd jus t st a y i n th e ge n eral

5 a r ea, we' l l l e t y o u k no w. W e'r e no t su p pos e d t o br e ak

6 f o r l u nch her e fo r ab ou t an o the r 45 min u tes

, so let ' s --

7 l e t's tak e a 1 5-m i nut e rece s s u n til noo n , a n d t h en w e'll

8 r e con v ene the hea r ing

. Tha n k y o u.

9 (B r eak t aken fro m 11 : 43 a .m. to 1 2:03

1 0 p. m .)

1 1 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. We' r e g o ing to c all

1 2 t h e h e ari n g h e re o n t he ind u str i al b oil e r r u les

, the

1 3 C I SWI rul e , a n d t h e d ef init i on o f s o lid was t e b a ck t o

1 4 o r der

. W e ha v e s o me ne w fo l ks h ere

. J u st t o r e mind

1 5 y o u, w e h a ve a si x -mi nu te t i me l imi t on you r co m men t s.

1 6 W h en y ou s tar t ta l kin g, a l i ttl e gr e en l igh t up here

1 7 w i ll c ome on. A y ell ow lig h t w i ll c ome one whe n you

1 8 h a ve t wo m inu t es, and a red lig h t c o mes on w hen you r six

1 9 m i nut e s i s up.

2 0 We ' re no t ho l din g yo u -- we' r e n o t h o ldi n g

2 1 y o u s t ric t ly t o t h at be caus e ev e ryo n e's bee n ve r y g o od

2 2 a b out it, but jus t tr y to w r ap

- - w h en y ou s ee t he r ed

2 3 l i ght

, ju s t t r y t o wr ap . A n d t h en t he o the r th i ng i s if

2 4 y o u h a ve w rit t en c omm en ts, i f y o u -

- if you wou l d,

2 5 p l eas e , l e ave the m wi th the cou r t r e por t er o ver her e

.1 1 0

1 I t 'll mak e it a l o t e as ier f or h er a s s h e g o es b ack and

2 t r ans c rib e s t o ac t ual ly hav e yo u r w r itt e n t e sti m ony

, if

3 y o u h a ve t hat

. S o do l eave a c o py w ith her as y ou l eave

4 t h e -

- th e ta b le w ith h er. Tha t wo u ld b e g r eat.

5 At thi s time

, I' d li k e t o ca l l S c ott

6 M o orh e ad a nd D avi d Co th ren t o t h e t a ble.

7 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

8 MR

. WA YL AND: Mr

. Mo o rhe a d, y ou c an b egin

9 w h en y ou' r e r e ady.

1 0 MR

. MO OR HEAD : G o od m orn i ng. My nam e is

1 1 S c ott Moo r hea d , a n d I 'm the mil l ma n age r at

1 2 I n ter n ati o nal Pap e rs, T exar k ana

, Te x as m ill

. I tha n k

1 3 y o u f o r t h e o p por t uni ty to h igh l igh t ou r re a cti o ns t o

1 4 E P A's fou r pr o pos e d b oi ler- r ela t ed r ule s pu b lis h ed o n

1 5 J u ne 4 th. I a m a l so su bmit t ing som e wr i tte n co m men t s

1 6 t h at g o a l ong wit h th es e th a t w i ll h ave a l i ttl e mo r e

1 7 d e tai l th a n w h at I 'll d iscu s s t o day.

1 8 In t ern at iona l Pa p er i s a m ong the lar g est

1 9 p u lp a nd p ape r co m pan ie s in the wor l d, a nd a s s u ch i s

2 0 a m ong tho s e c o mpa n ies m ost i mpa c ted by t he B oil e r M A CT

2 1 r u les and thr e e o t her b oile r ru l es. Th e se r ule s ha v e

2 2 p l ace d an eno r mou s bu rd en o n ma n ufa c tur e rs i n t h e

2 3 p r ese n t e c ono m y f o r d ev elop m ent of a n i m per f ect

2 4 r u lem a kin g pr o ces s , a nd are for m all y re s tri c ted when

2 5 n e edi n g t o pr o tec t hu ma n he a lth and the env i ron m ent.1 1 1

1 EP A 's pr opos e d r u les wil l cr e ate ser i ous

2 d i sin c ent i ves for the u se o f bi o mas s an d al t ern a tive

3 f u els and the r eby inc re ased use of f oss i l f u els

, wh i ch

4 w e be l iev e is cou n ter pr oduc t ive and con t rar y to the

5 c o unt r y's ene r gy i nte re sts. Th e ru l e w i ll h ave

6 u n den i abl e ec o nom i c c on sequ e nce s

. T he f ore s t p r odu c ts

7 i n dus t ry h as p roj e cte d new e qui p men t re q uir e d u n der the

8 p r opo s ed r ule s wi l l c os t mo r e t h an $ 6 b i lli o n o v er a

9 t h ree

- yea r co m pli a nce w indo w pl u s b i lli o ns m ore in

1 0 s u bse q uen t ye a rs f or op erat i ng m ain t ena n ce e xpe n se.

1 1 T h ose cap i tal cos t s a lo ne e x cee d s i n dus t ry p rof i t of

1 2 r e cen t ye a rs.

1 3 At the T exar k ana mil l , i n pa r tic u lar

, we

1 4 m a ke c oat e d b l eac h ed pa perb o ard wit h pr o ces s st e am f rom

1 5 b i oma s s f i red rec o ver y furn a ces tha t ar e no t af f ect e d by

1 6 t h ese rul e s a n d t w o p ow er b o ile r s, w hic h ar e af f ect e d by

1 7 B o ile r MA C T. Bio m ass a nd n a tur a l p o sse s s a n d n a tur a l

1 8 g a s a r e o u r p r ima r y f ue ls, b ut w e c a n a l so f ire oil or

1 9 a l ter n ati v e f u els tha t make sen s e f r om a co s t,

2 0 e f fic i enc y an d en v iro nm enta l st a ndp o int

. I f fi n ali z ed

2 1 w i tho u t s i gni f ica n t c ha nges

, th e pr o pos e d B o ile r MA C T

2 2 r u le w ill pos e si g nif ic ant c ost s on our mil l an d re s ult

2 3 i n ne g ati v e, u nin t end ed env i ron m ent a l a n d e c ono m ic

2 4 c o nse q uen c es.

2 5 We str on gly e nco u rag e th e Ag e ncy to a sk1 1 2

1 t h e c o urt for suc h ti me as i t n e eds to f ina l ize

2 r e aso n abl e an d we l l s up port e d r u les tha t do not imp o se

3 u n rea s ona b le a nd u nwa rr ante d ec o nom i c b u rde n on the

4 c o unt r y. We b eli e ve th at E P A h a s s i gni f ica n t d i scr e tion

5 w i thi n th e MA C T p r ogr am to m ake pru d ent and the

6 a p pro p ria t e r e gul a tor y judg m ent s , j u dgm e nts tha t do not

7 u n nec e ssa r ily bur d en Am eric a n i n dus t ry.

8 We ask t hat E PA u se i ts d isc r eti o n a n d

9 i d ent i fy t hre e br o ad ar eas f or i mpr o vin g th e Bo i ler MACT

1 0 r u le. Fi r st, EPA sho ul d se t mo r e r e aso n abl e li m its that

1 1 r e fle c t t h e v a ria b ili ty of r eal

- wor l d b e st p erf o rmi n g

1 2 b o ile r s. We b eli e ve th e pr o pos e d B o ile r MA C T C O li m it

1 3 f o r b o ile r s b u rni n g b io mass in c onj u nct i on w ith coal

1 4 w i ll n ot b e a c hie v abl e as a pra c tic a l m a tte r

.

1 5 In t ern at iona l Pa p er h as s eve n bo i ler s th a t

1 6 b u rn b iom a ss w ith coa l in a m oun t s g r eat e r t h an 1 0

1 7 p e rce n t t h at c las s ifi es the m as "co a l" b oil e rs u nde r the

1 8 p r opo s al t hat wou l d b e subj e cte d to una c hie v abl e CO

1 9 l i mit s

. T he C O l i mit s for t hes e co m bin a tio n bo i lers

2 0 s h oul d be the sam e as t he o n es f or b iom a ss- f ired

2 1 b o ile r s. If w e c o nti nu e to enc o ura g e a n d e x pan d us e of

2 2 r e new a ble

, ca r bon neu tr al b i oma s s i n th i s c o unt r y, t he

2 3 r u le n eed s to cha n ge dr amat i cal l y.

2 4 Se c ond

, EPA s hou l d b a se t he B oil e r M A CT

2 5 l i mit s on mor e re a lis ti c da t a. The dat a us e d i n se t ting1 1 3

1 e m iss i on l imi t s i s he av ily b ias e d, g ive n th e wa y it was

2 c o lle c ted and sor t ed. EPA r equ i red the bes t pe r for m ing

3 u n its to t est and too k the b est of t hat sma l l d a ta t o

4 r e pre s ent the bes t pe rf orme r s; t he t op 1 pe r cen t , n o t

5 t h e t o p 1 2 pe r cen t th at the law ins t ruc t s.

6 Th i rd EP A sh o uld uti l ize its aut h ori t y in

7 s e cti o n 1 1 2(d ) (4) of th e Cl e an A ir A ct t o s e t

8 h e alt h -ba s ed e mis s ion l imit s

. H eal t h-b a sed lim i ts w ould

9 a v oid unn e ces s ary ove rr egul a tio n of emi s sio n s t h at a re

1 0 a l rea d y w e ll w ith i n a cc epta b le l eve l s. We c an

1 1 i l l-a f for d no t to inc lu de s u ch a ba s ed h eal t h-b a sed

1 2 e m iss i ons lim i tat i on gi ven t he e con o mic imp l ica t ion s of

1 3 t h is r ule.

1 4 In add it ion t o t h e B o ile r MA C T, E PA's

1 5 p r opo s ed t hre e ot h er re late d ru l es t hat wil l af f ect the

1 6 f o res t pr o tec t s i n dus tr y an d In t ern a tio n al P ape r ; B o iler

1 7 G e ner a lly Ach i eva b le Co ntro l Te c hno l ogy

, GA K T,

1 8 N o n-H a zar d ous Sec o nda ry Mat e ria l s D e fin i tio n s, a nd

1 9 C o mme r cia l In d ust r ial S olid Was t e I n cin e rat o r M A CT.

2 0 Un d er Bo iler GAC T , w e be l iev e EP A sh o uld

2 1 n o t s e t n u mer i cal lim it s fo r CO for bio m ass and

2 2 o i l-f i red boi l ers loc at ed a t sm a ll m ill s , b u t i n ste a d

2 3 s e t g o od c omb u sti o n p ra ctic e s a n d t u ne- u p r e qui r eme n ts

2 4 t h at w ill ach i eve the s ame r esu l ts a t f a r l o wer cos t

.

2 5 T h e s o lid was t e d e fin it ions EPA set hav e th e po t ent i al1 1 4

1 t o se r iou s ly r est r ict w hich typ e s o f bi o mas s ma y be

2 b u rne d fo r th e ir c arb on -neu t ral ene r gy a nd w hic h ma y be

3 p u she d in t o t h e w a ste s trea m

. I n t h e N o n-H a zar d ous

4 S e con d ary Mat e ria l s r ul e, E P A s h oul d de f ine the s e

5 s e con d ary bio m ass mat er ials lik e ur b an w ood and

6 w a ste w ate r re s idu a ls as fue l s a n d p r omo t e t h eir use

7 w h ich dis p lac e s f o ssi l fuel s an d is con s ist e nt w ith the

8 c o unt r y's cal l fo r gr ea ter u se o f r e new a ble fue l s.

9 Fi n all y, man y of the sam e co n cer n s a b out

1 0 t h e d a ta q ual i ty i n B oi ler M ACT als o ar e re l eva n t t o the

1 1 C I SWI rul e

.

1 2 Th e pu bl ic's tas k pr o vid i ng m ean i ngf u l

1 3 c o mme n ts i s c o mpl i cat ed by E PA n ot s ett i ng

- - s e ttl i ng

1 4 t h e q u est i on o f w h at is a " s oli d wa s te" und e r R C RA

1 5 f i rst

. W e re c omm e nd EP A co m ple t e t h e D e fin i tio n of

1 6 N o n-H a zar d ous Sec o nda ry Mat e ria l s r u lem a kin g fi r st a nd

1 7 t h en i ssu e a N oti c e o f Data Ava i lab i lit y fo r th e new

1 8 p r eli m ina r y f l oor uni ts for pub l ic c omm e nt, and onl y at

1 9 t h at p oin t pr o cee d wi th the pro m ulg a tio n of the thr e e

2 0 C l ean Air Act rul e s.

2 1 Ov e ral l, we b eli e ve B oil e r M A CT a nd t he

2 2 o t her boi l er r ule s ar e far t oo r est r ict e d, w ill pla c e

2 3 e n orm o us b urd e n o n ma nu fact u rer s , t h at t hey imp o se t he

2 4 j u sti f iab l e l i mit s an d will pos e a l arg e un n ece s sary

2 5 e c ono m ic b urd e n o n th e coun t ry, and tha t EP A ha s the1 1 5

1 o p por t uni t y t o mo d ify t hese req u ire m ent s wh i le b eing

2 f a ith f ul t o i t s l e gal o blig a tio n s.

3 Ag a in, m y wr i tte n re m ark s su b mit t al

4 c o nta i ns m ore det a ile d info r mat i on o n p o int s ma d e t o day.

5 I tha n k y o u f o r t h e o pp ortu n ity to e xpr e ss o ur v iew s in

6 t h is p rop o sal.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h , M r

.

8 M o orh e ad. An y cl a rif yi ng q u est i ons ? N o

. T han k you

9 v e ry m uch.

1 0 Mr

. Co th ren?

1 1 MR

. CO TH REN: Go o d a f ter n oon

. M y na m e is

1 2 D a vid Cot h ren

. I am on e of fou r Na t ion a l S p eci a l

1 3 P r oje c ts C oor d ina t ors a t la r ge f or t he P ulp and

1 4 P a per w ork e rs R eso u rce C ounc i l. I a m an hou r ly

1 5 m a int e nan c e m e cha n ic fo r In t ern a tio n al P ape r

. T han k you

1 6 f o r t h e o p por t uni t y t o comm e nt o n t h e E P A's four

1 7 p r opo s ed b oil e r-r e lat ed rul e s p u bli s hed on J une 4th

. I

1 8 a m ma k ing thi s st a tem en t on beh a lf o f t h e P u lp a nd

1 9 P a per w ork e rs R eso u rce C ounc i l m e mbe r ch a pte r s a c ros s the

2 0 c o nti n ent a l U n ite d St at es a n d t h e e m plo y ees of t he

2 1 T e xar k ana mil l

.

2 2 Th e PP RC bel i eve s th e ru l es p rop o sed by

2 3 t h e E P A o n bo i ler s -- o n Bo i ler Max i mum Ach i eva b le

2 4 C o ntr o l T e chn o log y wi ll gre a tly aff e ct o ur c oun t ry, our

2 5 c o mpa n ies

, an d ou r Am er ican job s

. T he P PRC was fou n ded1 1 6

1 o n th e pr i nci p le o f s ee king a b a lan c e b e twe e n p r ote c ting

2 t h e e n vir o nme n t a n d m ai ntai n ing goo d jo b s i n al l se c tors

3 o f th e fo r est pro d uct s indu s try

. T h e f o res t pr o duc t s

4 i n dus t ry h as b een thr ou gh s o me r eal l y t o ugh tim e s

5 r e cen t ly a nd w e h a ve lo st m a ny j obs

. T h e P P RC l ogg e d

6 o v er 2 55 c urt a ilm e nts w ith m ill clo s ure s in 200 9 , o n our

7 W e b s i te, ppr c .in f o. O n th e Ma y 20 1 0 u n emp l oym e nt

8 r e por t ju s t r e lea s ed, t he r a te o f 9

. 7 p e rce n t

9 u n emp l oym e nt i s f a cin g our n ati o n. Our man u fac t uri n g

1 0 f a cil i tie s do not nee d this new fin a nci a l b u rde n pl a ced

1 1 o n th e m b y th e se n ew pr opos e d E P A r u le c han g es. Th e re

1 2 a r e 2 3 fo r est pro d uct s boil e rs a nd 1 15 m ore boi l ers

1 3 a c ros s th e gr e at S tat e of T e xas

. W i th t he p rop o sed

1 4 c h ang e s, t he p rot e cte d cost to c han g e t h ese boi l ers to

1 5 m e et t he n ew p rop o sed r ules are est i mat e d a t $1

. 89

1 6 b i lli o n j u st f or T exa s alon e

.

1 7 Bo i ler M ACT w ill set emi s sio n s l i mit s for

1 8 h a zar d ous air pol l uta nt s fr o m g a s, l iqu i d, o r s o lid

- fuel

1 9 f i red boi l ers and pro ce ss h e ate r s l o cat e d at

2 0 u n ive r sit i es, in s mal l muni c ipa l iti e s, f ood pro d uct

2 1 p r oce s sor s , f u rni t ure m aker s , f e der a l f a cil i tie s an d a

2 2 w i de r ang e of man u fac tu rers

, no t ju s t t h e f o rest

2 3 p r odu c ts i ndu s try

. T he EPA ' s p r opo s ed B oil e r M A CT i s so

2 4 s t rin g ent tha t it wil l resu l t i n si g nif i can t and

2 5 u n nec e ssa r y j o b l o sse s if f i nal i zed in i ts c urr e nt f orm.1 1 7

1 I t wo u ld i mpo s e e x tre me ly c o stl y co n tro l s e v en w here

2 t h ere is n o s i gni f ica nt env i ron m ent a l o r he a lth

3 b e nef i ts, whi c h i s co nt rary to t he d ire c tio n Co n gre s s

4 p r ovi d ed i n t h e C l ean A ir A c t.

5 Th e pa pe r an d fo r est pro d uct s in d ust r y

6 c u rre n tly emp l oys nea rl y 90 0 ,00 0 wo r ker s

. T he f ore s t

7 p r odu c ts i ndu s try has l ost s ome 350

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1 9 m o re A mer i can job s

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2 4 p r odu c ts j obs go a way

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2 5 b e cau s e w e ar e Am e ric an wor k ers try i ng t o s u rvi v e. With1 1 8

1 t h ese new cos t s c o min g so c l ose on t he h eel s of the

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4 t h e w o rke r s, f ami l ies

, and c omm u nit i es f or w hom pap e r

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, or the only

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7 m i lli o n a n d m o re t han $ 4 mi l lio n is pai d an n ual l y in

8 p r ope r ty t axe s , w h ich m ainl y be n efi t th e lo c al s cho o l

9 d i str i cts

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1 4 c o ach in a va r iet y of d iffe r ent for u ms. Th e mi l l's

1 5 e m plo y ees hav e ma d e U ni ted W ay c ont r ibu t ion s to t ali n g

1 6 m o re t han $3 m ill i on si nce t he m id- 1 980 s to help

1 7 s t ren g the n ou r co m mun it ies, imp r ove lit e rac y an d pr o vide

1 8 f o r b a sic hea l th a nd hu man s erv i ces.

1 9 Th e fo re st a n d p a per pro d uct s in d ust r y

2 0 w e re g ree n ev e n b e for e ther e wa s a l abe l fo r be i ng

2 1 g r een

. W e ha v e h a d g re en j o bs f or o ver a c e ntu r y, b ut

2 2 o n ly u nti l re c ent yea rs has the r e b e en a "b u zzw o rd" for

2 3 b e ing env i ron m ent a lly r espo n sib l e. The for e st p rod u cts

2 4 i n dus t ry w ill alw a ys be the bes t en v iro n men t al s tew a rds

2 5 o f ou r fo r est and lan d. We are sus t ain a ble

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2 a n d c o mmu n iti e s d e str oy ed b y yo u r l e gis l ate d ru l es t hat

3 b r ing abo u t u n int e nde d cons e que n ces of j obs los t

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4 u n int e nde d co n seq u enc es of s tri n gen t ru l es w ill put more

5 m i lls on o ur m ap. Th er e ar e Am e ric a n w o rke r s' n ames

6 t h at g o w i th t he n umb er s on our map

. T h e h o url y wo r kers

7 a r e a l mos t al w ays the f irst to g o.

8 Th e PP RC urg e s y o u t o "S e ek a Ba l anc e "

9 b e twe e n t h e e n vir o nme nt and ind u str y

. I ur g e y o u to

1 0 m a ke a co r rec t le g isl at ed d e cis i on t o k e ep t he f ore s t

1 1 p r odu c ts i ndu s try str on g, h e alt h y, a nd p rof i tab l e.

1 2 T h ank you.

1 3 MR

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1 5 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

1 6 MR

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1 7 w i ll b e S c arl e t R u sse ll and Bri d get t e Y a wn.

1 8 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

1 9 MS

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2 0 o b vio u sly

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2 1 y o u s o mu c h f o r t a kin g the s tep s in ord e r t o re a lly

--

2 2 t o tr y to sen d re g ula ti ons o n t h ese boi l ers

. I t 's b een

2 3 t e n y e ars com i ng, so th ank y ou s o m u ch. I h ave been

2 4 l i vin g in the Hou s ton a rea s inc e '9 7 so I r e all y do

2 5 a p pre c iat e y' a ll f ina ll y ta k ing tho s e s t eps in o rde r to1 2 0

1 r e all y pr o tec t hu m an he alth and our env i ron m ent

, so

2 t h ank you

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3 An d I ju st h a ve a fe w st a tis t ics her e th a t

4 t h e E n vir o nme n tal Pro te ctio n Ag e ncy pro v ide d me

. So

5 a f ter

, yo u kn o w, h avi ng the s e r e gul a tio n s o n ma j or a nd

6 s o urc e bo i ler s an d pr oc ess h eat e r e m iss i ons

, it red u ced

7 a n d d e vel o ped 15, 0 00 po unds of m erc u ry e mis s ion s per

8 y e ar, 340

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9 p e r y e ar o f p a rti c ula te mat t er j ust by p rod u cti o n. And

1 0 y o u g u ys k now thi s , o th erwi s e y o u w o uld n 't h ave tak e n

1 1 t h ese ste p s i n or d er to hav e th i s h a ppe n

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1 2 Ok a y. S o as you kno w , t h at w oul d al o ne,

1 3 j u st w ith the par t icu la te m a tte r an d th e su l fur dio x ide

1 4 a l one wou l d p r eve n t 2 ,0 00 t o 4, 8 00 p rem a tur e de a ths per

1 5 y e ar. Th a t's not eve n like inc i den t s o f il l nes s es;

1 6 t h at' s pr e mat u re d eat hs , so tha t 's r eal l y a w eso m e, s o

1 7 t h at' s sa v ing liv e s i n a wa y

. S o t h ank you

. I rea l ly

1 8 a p pre c iat e th a t. Tha t' s aw e som e

. Y ou k now

, it

1 9 c o mpl e tel y ma k es s ens e, bec a use on y our Web sit e , y o ur

2 0 c o mmi s sio n st a tem e nt sa ys, " To p rot e ct h uma n he a lth and

2 1 s a feg u ard the nat u ral e nvir o nme n t; a ir, wat e r, l and,

2 2 u p on w hic h li f e d e pen ds ." T o c o nti n ue o n t h at v erb a tim,

2 3 " A ll A mer i can s ar e pr ot ecte d fr o m s i gni f ica n t r i sks and

2 4 h u man hea l th a nd t he en viro n men t wh e n t h ey l ive

, le a rn,

2 5 a n d w o rk. So it t ota ll y ma k es s ens e th a t y ' all wou l d1 2 1

1 h a ve t his hap p en.

2 Ho w eve r, wha t do e sn' t ma k e s e nse is y our

3 d e fin i tio n , o r th e pr op osed def i nit i on, of " sol i d

4 w a ste

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,

5 s h red d ed t ire s , s p ent s olve n ts, spe n t c h emi c als

, and

6 p l ast i cs, by h avi n g t he m -- you kno w , b y ha v ing the

--

7 g o sh, I'm ner v ous -- ha ving the def i nit i on o f " s olid

8 w a ste " na r row e d w o uld a llow for the m to bur n th e se

9 m a ter i als in o rde r to p rodu c e t h eir own fue l wi t h

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1 1 o b lig a tio n to rep o rt or ide n tif y th e to x ins tha t th e y're

1 2 p u tti n g i n ou r ai r th at we b rea t he d ail y

. T o m e , t h is

1 3 d o esn ' t m a ke a ny s ens e. I d on' t un d ers t and how tha t is

1 4 p r ote c tin g hu m an h eal th

.

1 5 Ma y be

-- I m e an, I'm not a s c ien t ist

, but

1 6 t o me

, co m mon sen s e w ou ld s a y t h at h avi n g -

- ma k ing the

1 7 g u ide l ine s -- or t he de fini t ion of s oli d wa s te m ore

1 8 s t ric t to whe r e t h ey ca n't b urn the s e i t ems whi c h a r e

1 9 k n own to r ele a se m erc ur y, l e ad, for m ald e hyd e -- the r e's

2 0 m o re o n h e re t hat I c an 't f i nd

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2 1 m e an, you guy s -- we al l th e kn o w h o w a w ful tha t is

. It

2 2 c a use s mu t ati o ns, can ce r, a s thm a , a n d t h at' s am o ng a few

2 3 o f th e aw f ul h eal t h c on diti o ns t hat it w oul d ca u se.

2 4 An d in o rder

-- I me a n, i f t h is h app e ns

2 5 w h ere you wou l d n a rro w the d efi n iti o n o f so l id w ast e and1 2 2

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2 p l ast i cs, rub b er a s f ue l, g o es u nre g ula t ed a nd w ith o ut

3 t h e c o mmu n ity bei n g a bl e to kno w , I don ' t u n der s tan d how

4 t h at c orr e lat e s w i th th e En v iro n men t al P rot e cti o n

5 A g enc y 's m iss i on s tat em ent.

6 We def in itel y wa n t -

- we wan t ze r o

7 t o ler a nce

, no t ze r o p ro tect i on. In d ust r y h a s b e en

8 g e tti n g a w ay w ith mur de r fo r -- pra c tic a lly mur d er f or a

9 v e ry l ong tim e , a n d I t hink we s hou l d h a ve

- - a c tua l ly,

1 0 I kno w we sho u ld h ave a def i nit e se p ara t ion of t he

1 1 E n vir o nme n tal Pro t ect io n Ag e ncy and lov i ng i ndu s try.

1 2 J o bs a re n ot t o l o ve in dust r y; i t's to p rot e ct h uman

1 3 h e alt h , w a ter

, ai r , a nd lan d qu a lit y

. I t's not to

1 4 c r adl e po o r i n dus t ry th at m a kes mas s ive pro f its eve r y

1 5 y e ar; it' s no t -- it' s not t o b a by t hem and say

, oh,

1 6 o k ay, wel l , y o u d o n't w ant t o f o rk o ver bil l ion s of

1 7 d o lla r s i n or d er h ave t hese thi n gs r egu l ate d

. T hat

1 8 d o esn ' t m a ke s ens e

. Li ke h o w t h e g e ntl e men bef o re u s,

1 9 w h ich I'm sur e ha r d w or king men

, th e y h i ghl i ght e d t h at

2 0 t h eir pro p ert y ta x es th at t h ey p ay g oes to b ene f it

2 1 s c hoo l s.

2 2 Wh a t b en efit doe s it do i f t h e t o xin s th a t

2 3 t h ey' r e p u mpi n g o u t o f thei r fa c tor i es a re h arm i ng

2 4 c h ild r ens ' he a lth ? Y ou guy s kn o w t h at c hil d ren are the

2 5 m o st s usc e pti b le t o t he se t o xin s th a t a r e b e ing emi t ted1 2 3

1 i n to t he a ir, so I me an , I w oul d re a lly lik e to

2 d e fin i tel y pr e ss t o p le ase d o w h at t he E nvi r onm e ntal

3 P r ote c tio n Ag e ncy was f orme d to do, whi c h i s to pro t ect

4 o u r p u bli c he a lth and o ur w a ter and our air ; no t to baby

5 c o rpo r ati o ns a nd t o l et the m ge t aw a y w i th p utt i ng a wful

6 c h emi c als int o ou r ai r.

7 An d so y eah, in a nu t she l l, I wa n t to

8 t h ank you for mak i ng th e fi r st s tep s

. A gai n , t h ank you.

9 H o wev e r, p lea s e d o n't t ake t wo s tep s ba c kwa r ds b y n o t

1 0 s t ric t ly d efi n ing sol id was t e. It d oes n 't m ake any

1 1 s e nse

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1 2 MR

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1 3 Q u est i ons and com m ent s?

1 4 Ok a y. M s. Y a wn?

1 5 MS

. YA WN : T h ank you ver y mu c h. My n ame

1 6 i s Br i dge t te Y awn

. I 'm her e as a c o nce r ned cit i zen

1 7 a b out the iss u e a s fa r as t h e d e fin i tio n of sol i d w a ste,

1 8 a n d I ' d l i ke t o t h ank t he E n vir o nme n tal Pro t ect i on

1 9 A g enc y fo r th e ir e ffo rt s to w ard s re d uci n g t o xic air

2 0 p o llu t ion for the ent ir e na t ion and the Cit y of Hou s ton.

2 1 T h ank s a b unc h

.

2 2 It ' s b ee n, y e ah, a g o od t en y ear s co m ing,

2 3 a n d w i thi n th e te n ye ar s, w e kn o w t h at o ur a sth m a r a tes

2 4 h a ve d oub l ed i n t h e p as t te n ye a rs. Th e st a nda r ds f or

2 5 b e tte r ai r qu a lit y ar e way o ver d ue a nd i t's tim e th a t we1 2 4

1 m o ve f orw a rd i nto the r ight dir e cti o n, w hic h is a c l ean

2 a n d h e alt h y f u tur e fo r ours e lve s an d ou r ch i ldr e n h e re

3 i n th e Ci t y o f Ho u sto n and t he w hol e co u ntr y , t h e w h ole

4 w o rld

. Y o u k n ow, we al l br e ath e th e sa m e a i r a n d d r ink

5 t h e s a me w ate r , r i ght?

6 So

-- so yea h , t h e E P A's dec i sio n to

7 e l imi n ate unr e aso n abl e exem p tio n s f r om r efi n eri e s a n d

8 c h emi c al p lan t s, p ape r mill s an d ot h er m ajo r po l lut e rs

9 i s a h uge ste p in tha t dire c tio n , s o ag a in, tha n k y o u.

1 0 S o wi t h a l l o f th i s p ro gres s of eli m ina t ing the tox i c

1 1 j u nk t hat we b rea t he, a nd o z one and the smo g , t a kin g --

1 2 t a kin g a s tep bac k war ds is t aki n g a dan g ero u s r i sk f or

1 3 o u r e c ono m y a n d o u r h um an h e alt h , a n d I thi n k t h at w e

1 4 c a n a l l a g ree on t hat.

1 5 Th e wa y that we d efi n e s o lid was t e w h en i t

1 6 i s us e d f o r i n dus t ria l faci l iti e s t h at u se p roc e ss

1 7 h e ate r s a n d b r oil e rs, i s -- it' s cr u cia l to the liv e s of

1 8 t h ous a nds

, an d it ' s s o funn y ho w su c h a sma l l d e fin i tion

1 9 c a n m a ke o r b r eak the l ives of t hou s and s of peo p le e very

2 0 y e ar t hat bre a the the a ir w e ha v e h e re i n t h e C i ty o f

2 1 H o ust o n. And yea h , y ou kno w , I ' m s u re w e a l l s a w t h e

2 2 o z one ale r t s i gn c omi ng in f rom 45 t oda y

. W e'r e go n na

2 3 s e e t h at s ign up f or th e ne x t f e w m o nth s , w e al l kn o w

2 4 t h at.

2 5 Bu t ag ai n, i t 's i mpo r tan t th a t w e ar e not1 2 5

1 t a kin g th e st e p b a ckw ar ds i n to t hat wro n g d i rec t ion

, but

2 w e ar e mo v ing for w ard

. So, yea h , S c arl e t, a gai n , it

3 d o esn ' t m a ke a ny s ens e. So l id w ast e th a t -

- sh r edd e d

4 t i res

, sp e nt c hem i cal s, spe n t s o lve n ts, coa l mi n ing

5 w a ste

, us e d m o tor oil

, and o the r ki n ds o f t o xic was t e.

6 I t 's

- - i t 's

- - t h at so unds mor e li k e i n dus t ria l to x ic

7 c a rci n oge n s, t hin g s t ha t ca u se c anc e r, a sth m a, a uti s m,

8 m u tat i ons

, lu n g d i sea se , al l of whi c h o f th e se t hin g s

9 h a ve b een gra d ual l y m ul tipl y ing wit h in t he p ast few

1 0 d e cad e s.

1 1 La s t w ee k, m y gr a ndf a the r di e d o f lu n g

1 2 c a nce r an d ne v er s mok ed a d a y i n hi s li f e, y ou k now

, the

1 3 c l ose -- l ike the clo se st p e rso n in my l ife tha t has

1 4 p a sse d aw a y. And I'm s uppo s ed t o b e lu c ky f or t hat

, you

1 5 k n ow, I'm luc k y t h at I even hav e gr a ndp a ren t s. And

1 6 a g ain

, le t 's n ot t ake a ste p ba c kwa r ds o n d e fin i ng s olid

1 7 w a ste

. I t 's i ndu s tri al was t e. It c aus e s c a nce r

.

1 8 P e opl e di e fr o m i t ev er y ye a r, a nd p eop l e i n th i s r o om,

1 9 w e co u ld a ll d ie f rom t hese thi n gs, as w ell.

2 0 So ple as e -- aga i n, t han k yo u so muc h for

2 1 l e tti n g u s co m e t o te st ify, but aga i n, p lea s e d o not

2 2 a l low the s e i n dus t ria l faci l iti e s t o bu r n w a ste und e r

2 3 u n con t rol l ed a nd u nmo ni tore d wa y s. It e xpo s es u s to

2 4 t o xic s po l lut i on a nd de priv e s u s fr o m t h e r i ght to k now

2 5 w h at t hat pol l uti o n i s, and I t h ink tha t we hav e the1 2 6

1 r i ght to k now wha t th at pol l uti o n i s if we c oul d ve r y

2 w e ll p oss i bly pro d uce c hild r en w ith o ut b irth

3 d e fic i enc i es o r, y ou kn ow, i n t h e f u tur e , d i e o f ca n cer

4 o r lu n g d i sea s e. So ag ain, we' v e b e en m aki n g a l l of

5 t h is p rog r ess wit h in th e pa s t t e n y e ars ; it ' s b e en a

6 l o ng t ime com i ng, so pl ease let ' s m a ke t his ste p in t o

7 t h e f o rwa r d, r igh t di re ctio n , f o r a cle a n a n d h e alt h y

8 f u tur e fo r ou r sel v es an d ou r ch i ldr e n a n d n o t t a king

9 s t ep b ack w ard s

. A nd ye ah, a gai n , t h ank you.

1 0 MR

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1 2 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

1 3 MR

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1 4 O u r n e xt t wo s pea k ers w ill b e S h ann o n S i mki n s a n d L y la

1 5 L a gne r

. M s. S imk i ns, y ou c a n s t art whe n yo u 're rea d y.

1 6 MS

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. I ' ll k eep it

1 7 s h ort and swe e t. I k no w yo u 've all bee n he r e a long

1 8 t i me. So yea h , t h ank s for h avi n g u s

. Y eah

, it ' s j u st

1 9 s o met h ing I w r ote I'm j ust g onn a re a d. So t han k yo u for

2 0 f i nal l y p r opo s ing emi ss ion s tan d ard s fo r in c ine r ato r s.

2 1 T h e C l ean Air Act is a grea t st e p i n th e ri g ht

2 2 d i rec t ion

, bu t un f ort un atel y yo u 've acc o mpa n ied it w ith

2 3 a pre t ty t err i ble ide a.

2 4 Ra i sin g the a ir q ual i ty s tan d ard s an d th e n

2 5 p r ovi d ing a l o oph o le fo r in d ust r y f a cil i tie s to put1 2 7

1 w h ate v er t hey wan t in to the air is j ust an i ron i c t h ing

2 f o r t h e E n vir o nme n tal P rote c tio n Ag e ncy to d o. Thi s is

3 a gre a t c h anc e to sho w off s ome of t he i nno v ati v e

4 l e ade r shi p , n o t b o w d ow n to min d les s co r por a te g ree d

.

5 S o ye a h, s avi n g c o rpo ra tion s mo n ey i s a ter r ibl e ex c use

6 t o pu t th e pu b lic ' s h ea lth a t r i sk. Ev e n w o rse

, th i s is

7 a l l i n dus t rie s ta k ing n o re s pon s ibi l ity

, be com p let e ly

8 u n reg u lat e d, a nd d o w ha teve r th e y w a nt t o o u r a i r. It

9 i s y' a ll' s jo b to kee p this exa c t s i tua t ion from

1 0 h a ppe n ing.

1 1 By mak in g th e m u n acc o unt a ble

, yo u 're

1 2 d i rec t ly m aki n g y o urs el ves a cco u nta b le. Is it s ome h ow

1 3 o k ay t hat at l eas t 1, 90 0 pe o ple wil l di e ev e ry y ear

1 4 b e cau s e o f yo u r p r opo se d lo o pho l e? Oh, yea h it is

1 5 b e cau s e y o u'r e sa v ing i ndus t rie s mo n ey. I g rew up i n

1 6 B a yto w n, T exa s su r rou nd ed b y re f ine r ies

. T h e l a nds c ape

1 7 w a s p r ett y bl e ak, but a t le a st t her e wa s so m e p o llu t ion

1 8 r e gul a tio n

. W hat I m ea n by tha t is

, th e sk y wa s pi n k at

1 9 n i ght and the air sme ll ed l i ke a bso l ute cra p on l y

2 0 s o met i mes

. I can ' t i ma gine liv i ng i n a tow n li k e t h at.

2 1 M y ho m e t o wn i s t h e n ea rby i ndu s tri a l f a cil i tie s had

2 2 a b sol u tel y no reg u lat io n. I 'll hav e le a d a n d m e rcu r y,

2 3 b e nzi n e, d iox i ns, and f orma l deh y de f or b rea k fas t

. W hy

2 4 d o n't you thr o w i n so me sev e re a sth m a a n d c a nce r wi t h

2 5 t h at, too

. S o rry if it 's o f fen s ive

, bu t it ' s t h e t r uth1 2 8

1 w h eth e r o r no t it ' s h ar d to swa l low.

2 Wh a t I 'm get t ing at, is t hat you ' re a ll i n

3 t h e p o sit i on t o d o ev er ythi n g y o u c a n t o st o p t h ese

4 t e rri b le t hin g s, s o y ou nee d to do e ver y thi n g y o u c a n to

5 s t op t hem

. Y o u k n ow, i nste a d, y ou' r e p r opo s ing to a llow

6 f a cil i tie s to bur n wa st e in unc o ntr o lle d an d un m oni t ored

7 f a cil i tie s

. I 'm p ret ty sur e if you and you r ch i ldr e n

8 l i ved in B ayt o wn, Hou st on, o r a n y s i mil a r a r ea, you

9 w o uld n 't e ven con s ide r this lud i cro u s d e fin i tio n of

1 0 s o lid was t e t o be acc ep tabl e

.

1 1 Li k e, ar e yo u re a lly goi n g t o si t he r e a n d

1 2 t e ll m e y o u d o n't mat te r, b u t t h is d oes ? I t 's j ust

1 3 r i dic u lou s

. D on' t gi ve int o gr e ed a nd r idi c ulo u s

1 4 i n dus t ria l lo b byi s ts. I'm p ret t y d i sgu s ted wit h the

1 5 w h ole sit u ati o n, b ut I know tha t , l i ke, dee p do w n y o u're

1 6 r e al h uma n be i ngs and t hat y ou c an m ake the rig h t

1 7 d e cis i on, the

-- r eal ly the onl y de c isi o n, l ike

, you

1 8 j u st h ave to w ake up an d ma k e i t

.

1 9 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou. Qu e sti o ns?

2 0 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

2 1 MS

. LA GN ER: Oka y

. H ey, I'm Lyl a La g ner,

2 2 a n d I ' m a cam p aig n er wi th t h e T e xas Cam p aig n fo r the

2 3 E n vir o nme n t, a nd I ha ve n't w rit t en a nyt h ing ; I' m ju s t

2 4 g o ing to k ind of t alk f or a min u te.

2 5 MR

. WA YL AND: Su r e, t hat ' s f i ne.1 2 9

1 MS

. LA GN ER: So a co u ple of m ont h s a g o,

2 t h e E P A h a d a sim i lar p anel mee t ing her e to dis c uss

3 r a isi n g t h e o z one sta nd ards for the ent i re r egi o n.

4 T h ere wer e on l y t h ree i n th e en t ire cou n try and it w as

5 a w eso m e t o ho l d i t he re , be c aus e ob v iou s ly H ous t on h as

6 s o me o f t h e w o rst air q uali t y i n th e en t ire cou n try

, and

7 w e ha v e a lot of p eop le liv i ng i n t h is c ity tha t ha v e

8 a s thm a an d up p er r esp ir ator y di s eas e s, a nd i t's bec a use

9 y o u c a n't bre a the the a ir.

1 0 An d I th ink e ver y bod y in thi s ro o m c a n

1 1 a c kno w led g e t h at, and s o wh e n w e ca m e h e re, we w ent out

1 2 i n to t he n eig h bor h ood s arou n d t h e H o bby Air p ort

, wh i ch

1 3 i s wh e re t her e 's a to n of p o llu t ion

. I mea n , i f you

1 4 t a ke 4 5 s o uth b oun d , y ou 're g onn a hi t ab o ut

- - I mea n

,

1 5 t h ere are oil ref i ner ie s, t h ere are pet r och e mic a l

1 6 p l ant s , a n d t h ese pla ce s ar e al r ead y pr e tty unr e gul a ted,

1 7 a s fa r as wha t th e y'r e allo w ed t o p u mp i nto the

1 8 a t mos p her e th a t w e 're e xpec t ed t o b e ab l e t o br e ath e

.

1 9 An d so w e we n t o u t i n to n eig h bor h oods

2 0 t r yin g to get peo p le to com e to the mee t ing and wri t e

2 1 l e tte r s d i scu s sin g th e ozon e st a nda r ds, and we g ene r ated

2 2 h u ndr e ds o f l e tte r fr om eve n li k e s m all chi l dre n who

2 3 s a id, you kno w , " I ha ve ast h ma, " or

, "I hav e lu n g

2 4 c a nce r ."

2 5 An d so t he o z one sta n dar d s w e re r ais e d f o r1 3 0

1 H o ust o n, s o t h ank s fo r doin g th a t. So w hat I f i nd

2 i r oni c is tha t we ' re no w di s cus s ing

, yo u kn o w, l ett i ng

3 i n dus t rie s th a t m a ke bi llio n s o f do l lar s th a t c o uld

4 e a sil y ju s t f i x t h eir m achi n ery or d o -

- yo u kn o w, t hey

5 d o n't nee d

-- the y co ul d ea s ily be s pen d ing mon e y on

6 i m pro v ing the way tha t they do t hei r bu s ine s s, t he w ay

7 t h at t hey pum

p to x ic cr ap i n to o ur a ir, but the y do n 't

8 w a nt t o s p end tha t mo ne y.

9 Th e y w an t to mak e mo r e m o ney by, you kno w

,

1 0 j u st s ayi n g, o h, w ell

, neve r mi n d. We' l l j u st

1 1 d e reg u lat e it so t hes e peop l e w o n't kno w wh a t w e 're

1 2 d u mpi n g i n to t hei r ai r whet h er o r n o t i t 's m erc u ry,

1 3 l e ad, ars e nic

, di o xin s, stu f f t h at w e a l l k n ow c aus e s

1 4 b i rth def e cts and can ce r.

1 5 I m ean

, I do n 't

- - I don ' t u n der s tan d how

1 6 t h at i s a n ac c ept a ble c ompr o mis e at all

. W e 've alr e ady

1 7 r a ise d th e oz o ne s tan da rds. Wh y wo u ld w e l e t t h ese

1 8 c o mpa n ies put mor e ju nk int o ou r ai r an d no t ha v e i t be

1 9 r e gul a ted at a ll. Pe op le l i vin g ne a r t h ose pla c es w here

2 0 t h ey' r e g o ing to b e d oi ng t h is a ren ' t t h e r i ch p eop l e

2 1 t h at l ive in H ous t on an d Ri v er O aks ; th e y'r e pe o ple that

2 2 l i ve i n s m all hou s es an d pa y re n t a n d, y ou k now,

2 3 c a n't -- c an' t al w ays a ffor d bu y th e ir k ids

-- l ike

, do

2 4 w e ha v e t o st a rt b uyi ng our kid s ga s ma s ks p ret t y s o on?

2 5 I mea n , t h ese peo p le ca n't a ffo r d t o do tha t

.1 3 1

1 So the y' re t h e o n es t hat are rea l ly a t

2 r i sk h ere

, an d I t hin k thei r pu b lic hea l th a nd s afe t y is

3 w o rth a h e ll o f a lot m ore t han a c o upl e of mil l ion

4 d o lla r s f o r a ref i ner y we o r pe t roc h emi c al c omp a ny t hat

5 m a kes mor e pr o fit in on e ye a r t h an a nyb o dy i n a n y of

6 t h ose nei g hbo r hoo d s c om bine d

. S o y e s, t hat ' s p r etty

7 m u ch a ll I ha v e, a nd I thin k al s o w e ne e d t o st a rt

8 t a lki n g a b out cor p ora te res p ons i bil i ty i n a way that

9 m a kes sen s e.

1 0 Yo u kn ow , th e se a re i ndu s tri e s t h at

- -

1 1 t h ey

- - t h ey' r e a c cou nt able to t hei r sh a reh o lde r s b e fore

1 2 t h e p u bli c

. A nd I me an , ob v iou s ly, we c an l ook at B P

1 3 a n d t h e C h evr o n s p ill

, and a ll t hes e ev e nts tha t are

1 4 h a ppe n ing

. A n d i t 's be caus e , f o r y e ars

, we ' ve s aid,

1 5 " O h, w ell

. D o n't wor ry . J u st t ake car e it you r sel f

.

1 6 W e tr u st y ou. " S o I do n't u nde r sta n d w h y w e wo u ld b e

1 7 d o ing mor e of tha t

. We nee d to be

- - h a ve m ore

1 8 r e gul a tio n s, n ot l ess

. We n eed to m ake sur e th a t

1 9 t h ey' r e h e ld a cco u nta bl e, a n d s o do i ng t his

-- s ayi n g,

2 0 h e y, b urn wha t eve r yo u want

, ju s t c a ll i t f u el s o t h at

2 1 n o bod y wi l l k n ow w hat i t is

, I u nde r sta n d h o w t h at m akes

2 2 n o se n se a nd I th i nk it 's a rid i cul o us i dea

, so don ' t do

2 3 i t

. T han k s.

2 4 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nks ver y mu c h. Any

2 5 q u est i ons?1 3 2

1 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

2 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou. We hav e on e mo r e

3 s p eak e r b e for e we ' re go nna t ake a 9 0 -mi n ute rec e ss f or

4 l u nch

. L a ura Hut c hin so n.

5 MS

. HU TC HINS O N: My n ame is L aura

6 H u tch i nso n

. I al s o w or k fo r Te x as C amp a ign for the

7 E n vir o nme n t, b ut I 'm he re a s a c onc e rne d pr i vat e ci t izen

8 b e cau s e I -- y ou k now

, I ap p rec i ate you giv i ng u s t h e

9 o p por t uni t y t o sp e ak up her e , y o u k n ow, let you kno w how

1 0 w e fe e l a b out thi s

.

1 1 Fi r st of f, j u st a ddr e ss t he

- - t h e

1 2 s e man t ics of w hat we' re tal k ing abo u t h e re. To x ic w aste

1 3 i s st i ll t oxi c wa s te re gard l ess of w hat you do w ith it.

1 4 T h e m o lec u les tha t ca us e ca n cer and ast h ma, the y do n 't

1 5 c a re w hy t hey ' re b ein g burn e d. Tha t do e sn' t ma k e t h em

1 6 a n y l e ss d ang e rou s or a ny l e ss l ike l y t o ca u se c anc e r or

1 7 a s thm a or bir t h d e fec ts . I t do e sn' t -- you kno w , it

1 8 d o esn ' t m a ke i t s a fer o r cl e ane r wh e n y o u b u rn t hese

1 9 t h ing s ; i t ju s t c h ang es the m

. I t p u ts t hem int o the

2 0 a i r, i t d o esn ' t -

- ye ah , it doe s n't mak e th e m s a fer

. So

2 1 w i th t hat sai d , w h en

-- you kno w , w h en p eop l e h a ve

2 2 c a nce r be c aus e th e y l iv e ne x t t o a r efi n ery

, or when

2 3 k i ds g row up w ith ast hm a, o r so m eti m es t hey don ' t g r ow

2 4 u p be c aus e so m e k i ds di e fr o m a s thm a , t h e i n dus t ry h as a

2 5 n a me f or t hes e co s ts to our fam i lie s an d our1 3 3

1 c o mmu n iti e s. The y ca us e th e se e xte r nal i tie s

. T hat

2 m e ans tha t th e y d o n't f acto r th e se i nto the bud g et, into

3 t h e b u sin e ss m ode l

. In stea d , t h ey j ust pas s th e se c osts

4 o n to e ver y one els e an d we h a ve t o b e ar t hes e co s ts, our

5 c o mmu n iti e s, o ur c hil dr en, o ur g ran d par e nts

. T h is i s

6 w h ere the EPA com e s i n.

7 It ' s b ec ause of t his eco n omi c mo d el t hat

8 y o u n e ed s ome o ne t o p ro tect pub l ic h eal t h. Tha t 's w hy

9 y o u g u ys a re h ere

, be ca use i t's you r jo b to pro t ect

1 0 p u bli c he a lth and to de fend the pub l ic a gai n st t he

1 1 i n dus t ry w ho m ay n ot ca re a b out the i r h e alt h

. A nd i t's

1 2 y o ur j ob t o p u t t h ese h ealt h co s ts b ack int o the

1 3 e q uat i on t o m a ke t hem a nswe r to pub l ic h eal t h. The

1 4 i n dus t ry

- - t h e i n dus tr y do e sn' t ne e d p r ote c tio n ; t h ey

1 5 h a ve

- - t h ey h ave all t he p o wer -- a lmo s t a l l o f it.

1 6 Y o u k n ow, the y ha v e a n awfu l lo t of mon e y a n d t h ey c an

1 7 s p end it o n l a wye r s.

1 8 Bu t we d o st i ll h ave gov e rnm e nt r egu l ato r y

1 9 a g enc i es t hat sti l l h ol d th e po w er, but it' s no t -- you

2 0 k n ow, it' s no t ea s y a nd you -- y ou k now

, yo u gu y s w i ll

2 1 n e ed t o h a ng o nto thi s. Bu t yo u kn o w, t he

- - t h e k i ds,

2 2 t h e e l der l y, t he f olk s who a re j ust sur v ivi n g w h o c a n't

2 3 a f for d la w yer s , t h ey mi ght n ot e ven be a ffo r d d o ctor

2 4 v i sit s , t h ey m igh t no t be a b le t o a f for d tr e atm e nt f or

2 5 t h eir ill n ess e s. It' s -- i t 's y ou g uys ' jo b to pro t ect1 3 4

1 t h ese peo p le. Th a t's w hy t h ere is a n E n vir o nme n tal

2 P r ote c tio n Ag e ncy

, yo u know

, be c aus e th e in d ust r y is

3 a b sol u tel y no t -- you k now, the ind u str y is n 't g oin g to

4 r e gul a te i tse l f. The i ndus t ry i s o n ly g oin g to be

5 r e gul a ted by p rof i t. T hat' s wh a t t h ey' r e f o r, a nd I

6 m e an t hat ' s -

- th a t's f ine; tha t 's h ow t hey wor k , y o u

7 k n ow, it' s th e ir j ob to mak e mo n ey, but som e one else

8 n e eds to o ver s ee t hes e indu s tri e s a n d s o meo n e n e eds to

9 m a ke s ure the y fo l low t he l a w.

1 0 An d so i t -- I m e an, bas i cal l y, w e'r e --

1 1 w e 're jus t as k ing you t o do you r jo b an d ma k e s u re t hat

1 2 t h e i n dus t ry i s n o t a ll owed to b urn tox i c w a ste

, th a t

1 3 t h ey' r e, y ou k now

, no t allo w ed t o n e gli g ent pub l ic

1 4 h e alt h , b e cau s e t h ese - - yo u kn o w, t he c omm u nit y ne e ds

1 5 y o u r i ght now

. T h ey ne ed y o u t o lo o k o u t f o r t h em,

1 6 b e cau s e r e all y no one e lse w ill if y ou d on' t

. S o y e ah,

1 7 t h at' s ke e pin g it a b it sho r t. I'm sur e yo u gu y s h a ve

1 8 h e ard it a ll b y n o w. I jus t wa n ted to d ril l th a t h o me.

1 9 S o th a nk y ou s o m u ch fo r ha v ing me.

2 0 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. D o y o u

2 1 g u ys h ave any com m ent s or q u est i ons?

2 2 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

2 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. I'd lik e to tha n k

2 4 e v ery b ody who too k ti me out of t hei r bu s y s c hed u le t his

2 5 m o rni n g t o co m e, w het he r yo u ca m e t o sp e ak o r w h eth e r1 3 5

1 y o u c a me s ole l y t o li st en, t o h e ar w hat ' s g o ing on. We

2 v a lue you r in p ut. We 'r e go i ng t o r e ces s no w fo r ab o ut

3 9 0 mi n ute s -- may b e n ot qui t e 9 0 mi n ute s ; m a ybe abo u t

4 7 0 mi n ute s

. W e'l l re co nven e th e he a rin g at 2:0 0 o' c lock

5 t h is a fte r noo n in thi s room

. B u t f o r n o w u n til

6 2 : 00 o 'cl o ck, the hea ri ng i s no w in rec e ss. Th a nk y ou.

7 (R e ces s take n fr o m 1 2 :39 p.m

. to 2:04

8 p. m .)

9 MR

. WA YL AND: We ' re g oin g to rec o nve n e

1 0 t o day ' s h e ari n g. Ken 's in t he b uil d ing som e whe r e.

1 1 H o pef u lly he w ill get h ere b y t h e t i me w e s t art

, bu t he

1 2 s l ipp e d o u t f o r a sec on d. H ope f ull y he ' ll b e b a ck

1 3 m o men t ari l y.

1 4 I w ant t o th a nk y ou a gai n fo r at t end i ng

1 5 t o day ' s h e ari n g. We' re her e to hea r pu b lic com m ent s on

1 6 t h e f o ur r ule s th a t w er e re c ent l y p r opo s ed b y t h e

1 7 E n vir o nme n tal Pro t ect io n Ag e ncy

. T h ree of t hos e ru l es

1 8 a r e u n der the Cle a n A ir Act

, tw o un d er S ect i on 1 12, the

1 9 M a jor and Are a So u rce I ndus t ria l Bo i ler MAC T , a n d G A KT

2 0 r e spe c tiv e ly, and the t hird rul e ou t of the air

-- t he

2 1 c o mme r cia l ly i nci n era to r ru l e, m ore com m onl y kn o w a s the

2 2 C

- S-I

- W-I or C ISW I ru le , an d we are als o he r e t o ta k e

2 3 c o mme n t a RCR A ru l e t ha t de f ine s no n -ha z ard o us s olid

2 4 w a ste

. S o th o se w ill b e th e fo u r r u les we' r e t a king

2 5 c o mme n t o n he r e t h is af tern o on.1 3 6

1 My nam e is B o b W a yla n d. I'm the lea d er o f

2 t h e e n erg y st r ate g y g ro up i n th e se c tor of p oli c ies and

3 p r ogr a ms d ivi s ion

, wh ic h is par t of the off i ce o f a i r

4 q u ali t y p l ann i ng a nd st anda r ds a nd r ese a rch

, No r th

5 C a rol i na. I' m th e he ar ing c hai r fo r to d ay, and joi n ing

6 m e at the tab l e a r e M ar c Th o mas

, wh o is in t he p rog r am

7 i m ple m ent a tio n an d in fo rmat i on d ivi s ion EPA ' s o f fic e of

8 r e sou r ce c ons e rva t ion a nd r e cov e ry, and Ken Boy c e, d own

9 h e re o n t h e e n d, w ho is fro m th e lo c al E PA R egi o n 6

1 0 o f fic e in Dal l as, Tex as

.

1 1 Ju s t s om e gr o und rul e s, h ous e kee p ing

1 2 r u les

. E a ch p ers o n w il l be cal l ed t wo a t a tim e to come

1 3 t o th e ta b le h ere to my lef t

. Y ou w ill hav e si x mi n utes

1 4 t o pr e sen t yo u r t e sti mo ny. The r e's a g r een

, ye l low and

1 5 r e d l i ght up t her e on t he t a ble tha t wi l l c o me o n. A

1 6 g r een lig h t w i ll c ome o n wh e n y o u s t art

. W h en y ou h ave

1 7 a p pro x ima t ely two min ut es l e ft, the yel l ow l igh t wi l l

1 8 c o me o n, a nd t hen whe n the r ed l igh t s c o me o n a n d s t art

1 9 b l ink i ng, you sho u ld wr ap u p yo u r c o mme n ts a s q u ick l y as

2 0 p o ssi b le.

2 1 I' m no t goin g to pul l a h ook and pul l you

2 2 o f f a t ex a ctl y si x mi nu tes, bec a use eve r ybo d y t h is

2 3 m o rni n g h a s b e en m ore t han g ene r ous and try to s tick

2 4 w i thi n th e ti m e l i mit

, but i f y o u g o a m inu t e o r two

2 5 o v er, we' r e n o t g o ing t o -- you ' re n ot g oin g to1 3 7

1 d i sap p ear in t he c eil in g so m ewh e re. So we' l l g i ve y ou

2 t h e t i me y ou n eed to sp eak.

3 We are h ere t o h e ar y our com m ent s as part

4 o f th e ru l ema k ing pro ce ss. We a ppr e cia t e t h e t i me a nd

5 t h e e x pen s e t h at a lo t of y o u h a ve g one to, to b e h e re

6 t h is a fte r noo n an d we l ook f orw a rd, at t his tim e , to

7 r e con v ene the hea r ing a nd h e ari n g y o ur p ubl i c c o mme n ts.

8 O n e r e min d er, the doc ke t fo r th i s r u le w ill be a cce p ting

9 w r itt e n p u bli c co m men ts unt i l m i dni g ht o n A u gus t th e 3rd

1 0 o f 20 1 0. So y ou h ave a bout six wee k s t o st i ll p ut

1 1 i n for m ati o n i n to t he wr itte n do c ket

, wh i ch w ill bec o me

1 2 p a rt o f t h e o f fic i al re cord for thi s ru l ema k ing

. T h is

1 3 r u lem a kin g is sch e dul ed to g o f i nal on o r b e fore

1 4 D e cem b er 1 6th of 2 010 o f th i s y e ar.

1 5 So wit h that

, I' l l c a ll t he n ext two

1 6 s p eak e rs. Ar t uro Bla nc o an d Ra n dy S chi e fer

. O h , a n d I

1 7 d i d f o rge t

. I f y o u w ou ld e a ch

- - s i nce thi s is bei n g

1 8 t r ans c rib e d t o go int o the d ock e t, i f y o u w o uld

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1 9 e v ery b ody spe a ker

, wo ul d yo u pl e ase sta t e y o ur n ame

. If

2 0 i t 's a di f fic u lt p ron un ciat i on, ple a se s pel l it so t hat

2 1 s h e c a n g e t i t ri g ht in the rec o rd a nd s tat e th e co m pany

2 2 o r gr o up t hat you are a ffil i ate d wi t h o r re p res e nti n g

2 3 t o day

. T h ank you.

2 4 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

2 5 MR

. WA YL AND: Mr

. Bl a nco

, yo u ha v e t h e1 3 8

1 f l oor.

2 MR

. BL AN CO: Tha n k y o u. My n ame is A rtu r o

3 B l anc o an d I a m p a st co -pre s ide n t o f NA C AA, the Nat i onal

4 A s soc i ati o n o f Cl e an Ai r Ag e nci e s, w hic h is the

5 a s soc i ati o n o f st a te lo cal a ir p oll u tio n ag e nci e s i n 53

6 s t ate s an d te r rit o rie s and o ver 165 met r opo l ita n ar e as

7 a c ros s th e co u ntr y

. I am a l so B ure a u C h ief of A ir

8 Q u ali t y C o ntr o l i n th e Hous t on D epa r tme n t o f He a lth and

9 H u man Ser v ice s

.

1 0 On beh al f of NAC A A, t han k yo u fo r th i s

1 1 o p por t uni t y t o te s tif y on f o ur r ela t ed r egu l ati o ns E PA

1 2 h a s p r opo s ed u nde r Se ct ions 112 and 129 of t he C lea r Air

1 3 A c t. The pro p ose d ru le s wi l l s u bst a nti a lly red u ce

1 4 e m iss i ons of h aza r dou s air p oll u tan t s ( H APs ) and

1 5 c r ite r ia p oll u tan t s f ro m a b roa d se c tor of i ndu s tri a l

1 6 c o mme r cia l an d in s tit ut iona l bo i ler s an d fr o m c o mme r cial

1 7 s o lid was t e i n cin e rat or s. A fte r co a l-f i red pow e r

1 8 p l ant s , t h ese com b ust io n un i ts a re a mon g th e la r gest

1 9 e m itt e rs o f t o xic and c rite r ia p oll u tan t s i n the

2 0 c o unt r y. Acc o rdi n gly

, the b ene f its to p ubl i c h e alt h and

2 1 w e lfa r e t h at w ill res ul t fr o m a wel l -co n sid e red rule

2 2 w o uld be s ubs t ant i al ac ross the cou n try and her e in

2 3 H o ust o n, w hic h is the f ourt h la r ges t ci t y i n th e na t ion

2 4 w i th a br o ad i ndu s tri al -bas e d e c ono m y i n en e rgy,

2 5 m a nuf a ctu r ing

, tr a nsp or tati o n a n d o t her s

.1 3 9

1 NA C AA st rong l y s u ppo r ts a dop t ion of t ime l y

2 f i nal reg u lat i ons for e ach o f t h ese sec t ors tha t me e t

3 b o th t he l ett e r a n d t he int e nt o f t h e l a w. If E PA f ails

4 t o ad o pt a st a nda r d i n a ti m ely fas h ion

, or fai l s to

5 a d her e to the sta t ute a nd t h e r u le i s o v ert u rne d ag a in,

6 t h e p u bli c he a lth ben ef its w ill be d ela y ed a nd s tat e and

7 l o cal age n cie s co u ld be fac e d w i th t he s ign i fic a nt

8 b u rde n of dev e lop i ng MA CT f o r s e ver a l t h ous a nd p erm i ts

9 o n a c ase

- by- c ase bas is

.

1 0 NA C CA ap prec i ate s th i s o p por t uni t y to

1 1 p r ovi d e E P A w i th o ur in itia l im p res s ion s of the

1 2 p r opo s al, and wil l al so sub m it d eta i led wri t ten

1 3 c o mme n ts. Ov e ral l , N AC AA i s pl e ase d th a t t h e r e cent

1 4 p r opo s als are a v a st im prov e men t ov e r e a rli e r e f for t s

1 5 a n d t h at E PA i s g e ner al ly o n th e ri g ht t rac k

. H owe v er,

1 6 t h ere are sev e ral cri ti cal a rea s th a t a p pea r to be

1 7 u n wor k abl e or uns u ppo rt able on t he r ule m aki n g r e cor d

.

1 8 W h en t he c our t va c ate d the e arl i er I CI B oil e r M A CT r ule

1 9 a n d s t ate and loc a l p er mit a uth o rit i es w ere fac e d w i th

2 0 d e vel o pin g ca s e-b y -ca se MAC T pe r mit s , N A CAA col l ect e d

2 1 e x ist i ng t est dat a fr om ove r 40 sta t e a n d l o cal

2 2 p e rmi t tin g ag e nci e s, in clud i ng h und r eds of d ata poi n ts

2 3 t h at N ACA

A us e d t o ca lc ulat e MA C T f l oor s , w h ich were

2 4 s u bst a nti a lly low e r t ha n th o se a dop t ed b y E P A i n its

2 5 e a rli e r r u le. Th e NA CA A da t aba s e w a s p r ovi d ed t o E P A in1 4 0

1 J u ne o f 2 0 09.

2 Ma n y u ni ts c o mbu s t m i xtu r es o f f u els.

3 W h en s wit c hin g fu e ls, e miss i ons of o ne H AP m ay i ncr e ase

4 w h ile tho s e o f an o the r HAP m ay d ecr e ase wit h out cle a r

5 c o rre l ati o n. In i ts mo del p erm i t g u ida n ce, NAC A A

6 c o nsi d ere d on l y t h ose r esul t s w h ere a s o urc e wa s bu r ning

7 1 0 0 p e rce n t o f on e ca te gory of f uel dur i ng t he t est.

8 U n der NAC A A's rec o mme nd ed a p pro a ch, sou r ces wou l d be

9 s e par a tel y te s ted for c ompl i anc e wi t h e a ch a ppl i cab l e

1 0 l i mit

. N A CAA als o no te d th a t d u rin g co m pli a nce tes t ing,

1 1 s o urc e s m a y b e ab l e t o esta b lis h un i t-s p eci f ic

1 2 c o rre l ati o ns f or o per at ion o f d i ffe r ent fue l s.

1 3 EP A ap pa rent l y d i d n o t u s e a n y o f the

1 4 t e sti n g i n th e NA C AA da taba s e t o es t abl i sh t he M ACT

1 5 f l oor s

. T he E PA d ata i nclu d es n ume r ous ent r ies whe r e a

1 6 s o urc e wa s co m bus t ing d iffe r ent

, wh i ch N ACA A be l iev e s

1 7 w i ll b e d i ffi c ult to tr ansl a te i nto enf o rce a ble MACT

1 8 l i mit a tio n s. Whi l e t he NAC A A a n d E P A d a ta s ets oft e n

1 9 p r odu c e g e ner a lly con si sten t re s ult s , E P A c a nno t ex c lude

2 0 f r om t he c alc u lat i on of the top per f orm i ng 1 2 p e rce n t

2 1 t h e t e sti n g c o ndu c ted f or o t her com p lia n ce p urp o ses as

2 2 r e qui r ed b y s t ate and l ocal per m it o ffi c ial s

.

2 3 EP A 's ap proa c h i s to cat e gor i ze s our c es

2 4 a c cor d ing to f uel s th at the y ar e "d e sig n ed t o c o mbu s t,"

2 5 a n d a l low sou r ces to co mply wit h wh a t E P A a p par e ntly1 4 1

1 c o nsi d ers the "le a st st ring e nt" sta n dar d fo r an y of the

2 f u els tha t it may com bu st. NAC A A b e lie v es t hat this

3 a p pro a ch i s l i kel y to b e un w ork a ble for man y so u rce s and

4 m a y n o t b e le g al.

5 Se v era l opti o ns h ave bee n pr o pos e d f o r

6 w h ich EPA off e red lit tl e or no j ust i fic a tio n and

7 a n aly s is. So m e a r e a ls o of dou b tfu l le g ali t y; i n

8 p a rti c ula r , t h e c l ear ly err o neo u s s u gge s tio n th a t E P A

9 c o uld est a bli s h r i sk- ba sed e xem p tio n s a t le v els less

1 0 s t rin g ent tha n th e MA CT flo o r. NAC A A r e com m end s th a t

1 1 E P A a v oid opt i ons tha t carr y a s ubs t ant i al r isk of a

1 2 l a wsu i t t h at d ela y s i mp leme n tat i on o f t h ese imp o rta n t

1 3 p u bli c he a lth pro t ect io ns.

1 4 Th e pr op osal not to s et a MA C T f l oor or

1 5 M A CT e mis s ion lim i t f or lar g e g a s-f i red boi l ers is

1 6 a n oth e r e x amp l e. EPA 's pri n cip a l a r gum e nt f or i t is

1 7 t h at i mpo s ing MAC T li mi ts o n ga s -fi r ed b oil e rs d oub l es

1 8 t h e a n tic i pat e d c o st of the rul e

. H owe v er, the r e i s no

1 9 c o st t est for the MAC T floo r

. A lso

, EP A ha s not

2 0 i n clu d ed i nfo r mat i on in its pro p osa l fo r th e pu b lic to

2 1 e v alu a te a bou t wh e the r excl u din g na t ura l ga s un i ts f rom

2 2 n u mer i c M A CT l imi t s i s in t h e p u bli c in t ere s t. Fur t her,

2 3 E P A's cos t di s cus s ion f ails to a nal y ze o r c a lcu l ate the

2 4 f u ll b ene f its of t hes e rule s to the pub l ic.

2 5 Wi t h r es pect to v ari a bil i ty, wit h out any1 4 2

1 j u sti f ica t ion EPA app li es a sta t ist i cal tes t th a t

2 r e qui r es 9 9 p e rce n t c on fide n ce t hat a s t and a rd h as b een

3 e x cee d ed b efo r e a vio la tion is e sta b lis h ed. EP A al s o

4 a p pea r s t o ca l cul a te th is f a cto r on the bas i s of

5 v a ria b ili t y o f in d ivi du al t e st r uns

. T h is i s in

6 c o ntr a st w ith a 9 0 -pe rc ent c onf i den c e f a cto r ap p lie d to

7 t h e a v era g e o f th r ee ru ns t o ca l cul a te v ari a bil i ty, as

8 u s ed b y E P A i n ot h er ru les, and as r equ i red by t he

9 a p pli c abl e st a nda r d. T he g e ner a l r e sul t of req u iri n g a

1 0 h i ghe r co n fid e nce lev el is t hat the sta n dar d is hig h er

1 1 t h an i t o t her w ise wou ld hav e be e n.

1 2 In con cl usio n , t h e p r opo s als are a m a rked

1 3 i m pro v eme n t o v er E PA' s earl i er e ffo r ts. If the Age n cy

1 4 f o llo w s t h e l a w a n d s im ply b ase s it s de c isi o ns o n t h e

1 5 a v ail a ble dat e , v e ry si gnif i can t re d uct i ons of b oth

1 6 t o xic and cri t eri a po ll utan t s w i ll r esu l t a t co s ts t hat

1 7 a p pea r to be r eas o nab le and man a gea b le. NA C AA u rge s EPA

1 8 t o co m ple t e t h ese rul es in a ti m ely

, th o ugh t ful

, and

1 9 l a wfu l ma n ner

. T h ank y ou f o r t h e o p por t uni t y to

2 0 t e sti f y.

2 1 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou, sir

. I had one

2 2 q u est i on w ith reg a rd to the lar g e g a s-p o wer e d u n its.

2 3 A r e y o u r e que s tin g th at we s et e mis s ion lim i ts o r d o not

2 4 s e t e m iss i on l imi t s f or tho s e?

2 5 MR

. BL AN CO: You ' re t alk i ng a bou t the1 4 3

1 1 0 mi l lio n BT U -pe r -ho ur ?

2 MR

. WA YL AND: I m ay h ave mis u nde r sto o d

3 y o ur s tat e men t

. I ju st wro t e d o wn t hat you did n 't l ike

4 t h e l a ck o f e m iss i on li mits for lar g e g a s-f i red uni t s,

5 a n d I was jus t tr y ing t o be t ter und e rst a nd w hic h on e of

6 t h ose --

7 MR

. BL AN CO: I t h ink the iss u e i s the

8 e n for c eab i lit y of it in ter m s o f ho w th o se

- -

9 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y.

1 0 MR

. BL AN CO:

-- a nd t he w rit t en c omm e nts

1 1 w i ll p rov i de a lo t of d etai l ab o ut t hat.

1 2 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y, t han k yo u

.

1 3 Mr

. Sc hi efer?

1 4 MR

. SC HI EFER : T h ank you

, Bo b

. C an y ou

1 5 h e ar m e o k ay?

1 6 MR

. WA YL AND: Su r e.

1 7 MR

. SC HI EFER : O k ay. I' m Ra n dy S chi e fer.

1 8 I ' m r e pre s ent i ng N orb or d In d ust r ies

, he a dqu a rte r ed i n

1 9 T o ron t o, C ana d a. Nor bo rd i s an int e rna t ion a l

2 0 m a nuf a ctu r er o f p a nel bo ard p rod u cts

, an d No r bord

2 1 o p era t es s eve n or i ent ed str a nd b oar d mi l ls i n s i x

2 2 s t ate s ; M i nne s ota

, So ut h Ca r oli n a, G eor g ia, Ala b ama,

2 3 M i ssi s sip p i, a nd T exa s.

2 4 My rem ar ks w i ll f ocu s on six iss u es

2 5 c o nce r nin g th e ru l e i n ques t ion

. T h e f i rst is t he1 4 4

1 p r opo s ed t he e mis s ion l imit s

. N orb o rd s upp o rts the

2 r e aso n abl e em i ssi o n s ta ndar d s t h at w oul d pr o tec t pu b lic

3 h e alt h an d ar e en v iro nm enta l ly r esp o nsi b le. Wh i le

4 N o rbo r d s h are s th e sa me EPA wit h co m mit m ent to c lean

5 a i r, s eve r al o f t h e p ro pose d li m its app r oach

6 u n ach i eva b le l eve l s o f -- t o th e po i nt o f b e ing abs u rd.

7 Fo r in st ance

, so m e o f th e pr o pos e d

8 e m iss i on l imi t s a p pro ac h le v els whi c h c a n b a rel y be

9 d e tec t ed, wit h in d ust ry -sta n dar d te s tin g de v ice s

.

1 0 F o ssi l ve r sus bio f uel s. Th e fo r est ind u str y ha s be e n,

1 1 a n d c o nti n ues to b e, th e la r ges t co n sum e r o f bi o fue l s.

1 2 T h e r u le a s p r opo s ed ir onic a lly wou l d i m pede

1 3 e n vir o nme n tal pro g res s that man y co m pan i es a re a chi e ving

1 4 t h rou g h g r eat e r a n d m or e ef f ici e nt u se o f c a rbo n -ne u tral

1 5 b i oma s s a n d w o uld for ce the use of f oss i l f u els

, wh i ch

1 6 i s fa c e f a r l e ss s tri ng ent r equ i rem e nts und e r t h e

1 7 p r opo s ed r ule.

1 8 No r bor d sugg e sts tha t th e EP A re q uir e s

1 9 t h is a ppr o ach to r eco gn ize t he c arb o n-n e utr a l

2 0 c o ntr i but i on o f t h e b io mass boi l ers in e xis t enc e and

2 1 e n sur e th a t t h ese boi le rs a r e n o t p e nal i zed bec a use they

2 2 u s ed a n i n her e ntl y cl ea ner f uel fro m th e st a rt. Bo i ler

2 3 d i ver s ity

. T h e D e cem be r fi n al r ule fai l s t o re c ogn i ze

2 4 t h e e x ten t of the boi le r di v ers i ty i n t h e i n dus t ry. The

2 5 r u le a s w r itt e n w i ll en tail ext r eme l y e x pen s ive fix e s;1 4 5

1 i n so m e c a ses

, ma y no t be a c hie v abl e

. I f t h e E P A w e re

2 t o pr o vid e a m ore fle xi ble a ppr o ach in B oil e r M A CT, its

3 g o als cou l d b e ac h iev ed wit h out unn e ces s ary reg u lat o ry

4 c o sts and pot e nti a l f or los s of job s

. R eal i stic

5 s t and a rds

. N o rbo r d f ee ls t h at a re a son a ble app r oach

6 w o uld be t o s e t e m iss io n st a nda r ds b ase d on the

7 b e st- p erf o rmi n g u n its

- - th a t t h e b e st- p erf o rmi n g c a n

8 c u rre n tly ach i eve

. F or exa m ple

, th e ru l e f a ils to

9 t a rge t ar e as w her e im pr ovem e nts can be m ade

, an d in s tead

1 0 r e qui r es i nst a lla t ion

, in s o me c ase s , o f up to f our

1 1 d i ffe r ent air and pol lu tion con t rol dev i ces

, wh i ch w ill

1 2 c o nfl i ct w ith oth e r e xi stin g po l lut i on c ont r ol

1 3 r e qui r eme n ts.

1 4 Wi l lin gn ess t o w o rk t oge t her

. N o rbo r d

1 5 p r opo s es g rea t er e ffo rt be m ade to i nvo l ve i ndu s try

1 6 e x per t s i n es t abl i shi ng tec h nic a lly sou n d a n d

1 7 c o st- e ffe c tiv e op t ion s and e mis s ion lim i ts. Fa c ili t ies

1 8 s h oul d ha v e t h e o p tio n to a v oid ins t all i ng c ont r ols

1 9 w h ere ris k an a lys i s d et ermi n es e mis s ion s ar e wi t hin safe

2 0 l i mit s

. E PA' s go a ls ca n be ach i eve d wi t hou t ex c ess i ve

2 1 r e gul a tor y co m pli a nce c osts whi c h c o uld cri p ple

2 2 i n dus t rie s to com p ete i nter n ati o nal l y. We c an d o t h e

2 3 r e aso n abl e th i ng n ow ra ther tha n re s ort to c ourt

2 4 c h all e nge s la t er.

2 5 An d fi na lly, cos t s. The rul e wi l l1 4 6

1 s u bst a nti a lly inc r eas e comp l ian c e c o sts

. T h e p r opo s ed

2 c h ang e s c o me a t a tim e when mil l cl o sur e s/c u rta i lme n ts

3 h a ve r edu c ed O SB b oar d prod u cti o n b y ne a rly 50 p erc e nt.

4 R e gul a tio n s t h at d o l it tle t o i m pro v e t h e e n vir o nme n t

5 e v ent u all y th r eat e n j ob s an d ca n le a d t o pe r man e nt

6 r a the r th a n t e mpo r ary c losu r es.

7 An d I cl ose o n a per s ona l no t e. Nor b ord

8 h a s t w o O S B m i lls in Te xas; one loc a ted in N aco g doc h es,

9 t h e o t her at J eff e rso n. Wi t hin the pas t th r ee y ear s

,

1 0 N o rbo r d h a s i n ves t ed ov er $ 1 0 m i lli o n a t ea c h l o cat i on

1 1 o n PC W P M A CT i mpr o vem en ts. Unf o rtu n ate l y, t he J eff e rson

1 2 m i ll w as c los e d i n def in itel y Ja n uar y 20 0 9 d u e to

1 3 e c ono m ic c ond i tio n s ( ou r pr o duc t s a r e u s ed d ire c tly in

1 4 t h e h o usi n g i n dus t ry)

. One hun d red emp l oye e s l o st t heir

1 5 j o bs. Th e de c isi o n t o re-o p eni n g t h is m ill wil l be

1 6 m e asu r ed a gai n st s eve ra l fa c tor s , n o t t h e l e ast of w hich

1 7 w o uld be a ddi t ion a l c ap ital inv e stm e nt t o m e et m ore

1 8 s t rin g ent env i ron m ent s tand a rds

. T h ank you.

1 9 MR

. WA YL AND: An y cl a rif y ing que s tio n s

2 0 f r om y ou g uys?

2 1 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

2 2 MR

. WA YL AND: If you ' ll h and the m to this

2 3 y o ung lad y ov e r h e re. Than k yo u

.

2 4 Ok a y. O ur n e xt t wo s pea k ers this

2 5 a f ter n oon wil l be Cyn th ia R e dwi n e a n d M a tth e w C a ves.1 4 7

1 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

2 MR

. WA YL AND: Ms

. Re d win e , y o u c a n s t art

3 w h en y ou' r e r e ady.

4 MS

. RE DW INE: Ok a y. Tha n k y o u. Good

5 a f ter n oon

. M y na m e i s Cynt h ia R edw i ne. I' m the

6 d i rec t or o f e n vir o nme nt al h e alt h fo r th e Am e ric a n L u ng

7 A s soc i ati o n o f th e ce nt ral s tat e s. We s erv e Ar k ans a s,

8 K a nsa s , M i ssi s sip p i, Ne bras k a, O kla h oma

, an d Te x as.

9 Fi r st, I 'd l i ke t o t h ank you for this

1 0 o p por t uni t y t o sp e ak to day a nd s har e ou r th o ugh t s.

1 1 T h ese com

m ent s wi l l a pp ly t o al l of the pro p ose d ru l es,

1 2 a n d w i ll p rov i de m ore t here u pon in t he d ock e t. The

1 3 A

m eri c an L ung Ass o cia ti on i s co m mit t ed t o f i ght i ng f or

1 4 h e alt h y a i r. We s ave l ives thr o ugh the pre v ent i on o f

1 5 l u ng d ise a se a nd t he pr omot i on o f l u ng h eal t h.

1 6 Th e ke y to t h at w ork is s upp o rti n g c l ean u p

1 7 o f em i ssi o ns f rom wid es prea d po l lut i on s our c es. We have

1 8 l o ng b een con c ern e d a bo ut i n dus t ria l , c o mme r cia l , a n d

1 9 i n sti t uti o nal boi l ers a nd s o lid was t e i n cin e rat o rs,

2 0 t o xic air pol l uti o n, in clud i ng s ulf u r d i oxi d e a n d

2 1 p a rti c ula t e m a tte r

. Th e Am e ric a n L u ng A sso c iat i on

2 2 s t ron g ly s upp o rts EPA r equi r ing cle a nup of m ajo r so u rce

2 3 a n d a r eas whe r e i t s i nd ustr i al, com m erc i al, and

2 4 i n sti t uti o nal boi l ers a nd s o lid was t e i n cin e rat o rs.

2 5 T h ese che m ica l pl a nts

, refi n eri e s, p ape r mi l ls a nd o ther1 4 8

1 i n dus t ria l co m mer c ial a nd i n sti t uti o nal sou r ces have

2 b e en s our c es o f l i fe- th reat e nin g an d li f e-a l ter i ng g ases

3 a n d p a rti c les in c omm un itie s al l ac r oss the nat i on.

4 I p ers on ally don ' t w a nt a nyo n e i n my

5 f a mil y ha v ing to b rea th e th e po l lut i ng a ir c omi n g f r om

6 t h ese pla n ts, esp e cia ll y my new b orn dau g hte r

. I 'm

7 c o nce r ned tha t th e se bo iler s an d in c ine r ato r s p r odu c e

8 p a rti c ula t e m a tte r , t he mos t da n ger o us o f w i des p rea d air

9 p o llu t ant s

. I 'm a lso c once r ned wit h CT and it s pre a ding

1 0 m e rcu r y a n d l e ad, haz ar dous met a l t o ch i ldr e n -

- th a t

1 1 h a rms chi l dre n s' b rai ns and lim i tin g th e ir a bil i ty t o

1 2 l e arn and rem e mbe r wh at the y 've lea r ned.

1 3 Ma n y o f the o the r ai r to x ics pol l uta n ts

1 4 s e en f rom the s e s o urc es cau s e c a nce r in c lud i ng,

1 5 f o rma l deh y de, dio x in, f uran s , a n d h y dro c hlo r ic a cid

. My

1 6 m o the r is bat t lin g ca nc er, a nd I ho p e t o do all I c a n to

1 7 s h elt e r m

y sel f an d th e rest of o ur f ami l y f r om s uch a

1 8 c r uel dis e ase

. B e cau se the s e d e vic e s a r e s o nu m ero u s

1 9 a n d s o wi d esp r ead the a ir p o llu t ion inf i ltr a tes

2 0 c o mmu n iti e s a c ros s th e nati o n.

2 1 Th e ir ha rm s e ttl e s h e avi e st o n t h ose who

2 2 l i ve n ear the m , c o mmu ni ties oft e n t h at a re p oor

, le s s

2 3 e d uca t ed a nd p opu l ate d by m i nor i tie s

. S tud y af t er s tudy

2 4 c o nfi r ms t hat it c an ha rm t h ese ind i vid u als far more

2 5 t h an i t d o es o the r s. T he b o ile r an d in c ine r ato r cl e anup1 4 9

1 w i ll s ave liv e s, u p t o 5,00 0 ev e ry y ear bec a use of t he

2 c h ang e s p u t i n pl a ce by the s e r e qui r eme n ts b egi n nin g in

3 2 0 13, as e sti m ate d by t he E P A. Les s po l lut e d a i r s h ould

4 a l so p rev e nt o ver 3,0 00 non f ata l he a rt a tta c ks, avo i d

5 o v er 3 5,0 0 0 c a ses of wo rsen e d a s thm a , a n d e l imi n ate

6 n e arl y 3, 4 00 h osp i tal a nd e m erg e ncy roo m vi s its each

7 y e ar.

8 As the E PA e s tim a tes tha t cl e ane r ai r fr o m

9 c u tti n g e m iss i ons fro m majo r ar e as w ith sou r ce b oil e rs

1 0 w i ll a mou n t t o up to ov er $ 4 3 b i lli o n e a ch y ear

1 1 b e gin n ing in 2 013 in sa ving s

. T her e ar e ov e rwh e lmi n g

1 2 b e nef i ts t hat far out we igh c ost s to cle a nin g up our air.

1 3 S p eci f ica l ly, the Ame ri can L ung Ass o cia t ion urg e s t h e

1 4 E n vir o nme n tal Pro t ect io n Ag e ncy to s tre n gth e n t h e

1 5 p r opo s ed r ule l ess for i ncin e rat o rs, and for the

-- t o

1 6 n a rro w th e de f ini t ion o f so l id w ast e , w h ich ope n s t h e

1 7 h u ge l oop h ole tha t th re aten s pu b lic hea l th.

1 8 We urg e the E PA n ot t o a l low ind u str y to

1 9 b u rn w ast e in unc o ntr ol led a nd u nmo n ito r ed f aci l iti e s.

2 0 O n be h alf of c hil d ren o f de v elo p ing lun g s, k ids

2 1 s u ffe r ing fro m as t hma i n ou r co m mun i tie s ne x t d o or t o

2 2 t h ese fac i lit i es, and a dult s wh o se h eal t h i s so

2 3 c o mpr o mis e d t h ey c an' t be h e re t o s p eak

. W e ur g e t h e

2 4 E P A t o st r eng t hen the se req u ire m ent s on boi l ers,

2 5 i n cin e rat o rs, and sol id was t e. All of u s d e ser v e to1 5 0

1 b r eat h e h e alt h y a r ea, a nd w e 're cou n tin g on the EPA to

2 d e liv e r c l ean e r, h eal th ier a rea in e ver y co m mun i ty. Too

3 m a ny p eop l e h a ve s uff er ed f o r t o o l o ng. It is

- - n o w is

4 t h e t i me t o r e qui r e a ll the s e p l ant s to cle a n u p

. T hank

5 y o u.

6 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

7 q u est i ons or c omm e nts?

8 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

9 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou, ma' a m.

1 0 Mr

. Ca ve s?

1 1 MR

. CA VE S: M y n a me i s M a tt C ave s , C

- A-V

- ,

1 2 a s in Vic t or, -E- S

. I' m an att o rne y wi t h t h e O k lah o ma

1 3 D e par t men t of Env i ron me ntal Qua l ity

, an d I' m he r e to

1 4 s p eak on t he i den t ifi ca tion of n on- h aza r dou s se c ond a ry

1 5 m a ter i als as s oli d wa st e. F irs t , t h e O k lah o ma

1 6 D e par t men t of Env i ron me ntal Qua l ity

, OD E Q, a ppr e cia t es

1 7 t h e o p por t uni t y t o ma ke ora l co m men t s d u rin g th i s p u blic

1 8 h e ari n g p r oce s s. We wi ll s u bmi t ad d iti o nal wri t ten

1 9 c o mme n ts w ith sup p ort in g da t a.

2 0 Be f ore I sta r t, I 'd l ike to p rov i de a ve r y

2 1 b r ief bac k gro u nd o f t he sta t e t i re p rog r am i n O k lah o ma.

2 2 T h e O k lah o ma W ast e Ti re Rec y cli n g A c t o r igi n all y ca m e

2 3 i n to e ffe c t J u ly 1 st of 198 9

. T he s tat e le g isl a ture

2 4 d e cla r ed i t a pol i cy of the sta t e t o , q u ote

, "E n cou r age

2 5 r e cyc l ing of u sed tir es ," e n d q u ote

. A s in t end e d b y the1 5 1

1 a c t, i n t h e p a st t en ye ars a lon e , O k lah o ma h as

2 r e med i ate d ap p rox i mat el y 28 0 il l ega l ti r e d u mps rem o ving

3 a l mos t 55 0 ,00 0 us e d t ir es. Ini t ial l y, i lle g al t ire

4 d u mps wer e ve r y l a rge

. As t he t ire pro g ram has mat u red

5 i n th e st a te, ill e gal t ire d ump s ha v e b e com e sm a ller

6 b e cau s e O k lah o ma h as mo re v i abl e ou t let s fo r th e se u sed

7 t i res.

8 An n ual ly , ap p rox i mat e ly 3 .3 m ill i on u sed

9 t i res are pro c ess e d a nd /or r ecy c led in O kla h oma

. T h e

1 0 u s e o f ti r es a s a tir e- deri v ed f uel in c eme n t k i lns has

1 1 l e d t o a l arg e pe r cen ta ge o f us e d t i res bei n g p r oce s sed,

1 2 r e cyc l ed a nd/ o r r e use d annu a lly

. C u rre n tly

, ce m ent

1 3 k i lns in O kla h oma acc ou nt f o r a p pro x ima t ely

1 4 1

. 85 m ill i on, whi c h i s almo s t 5 6 pe r cen t of Okl a hom a 's

1 5 3

. 3 m i lli o n u s ed t ire s annu a lly.

1 6 As a r es ult, the ODE Q re q ues t s t h at E PA

1 7 l e ave s th e us e of who le tir e s a n d/o r sh r edd e d t i res as

1 8 a n at t rac t ive opt i on fo r th e ce m ent kil n s. Wit h out

1 9 c e men t ki l ns, Okl a hom a coul d no t re c ycl e an d re u se s uch

2 0 a lar g e n u mbe r of use d tire s on an a nnu a l b a sis.

2 1 W i tho u t c e men t ki l ns, t he n u mbe r of ill e gal tir e du m ps

2 2 w o uld gro w ex p one n tia ll y. F urt h er, cha n gin g the

2 3 d e fin i tio n of sol i d w as te t o in c lud e us e d t i res that

2 4 h a ve b een dis c ard e d; an d us e d t i res tha t ha v e b e en

2 5 d i sca r ded to b e p r oce ss ed, w ith ste e l b e lti n g r e mov e d,1 5 2

1 w o uld be d isa s tro u s i n Okla h oma ' s t i re p rog r am.

2 Ov e r t he yea r s, v ari o us t ech n ica l re p ort s

,

3 s o me p ubl i she d by EPA

, have sup p ort e d t h e u s e o f wh o le

4 o r sh r edd e d t i res as TD F in cem e nt k iln s

.

5 Th r oug ho ut t h e r u lem a kin g pr o ces s , t h e E P A

6 i s ap p ear i ng c ons i ste nt reg a rdi n g t h e c o mbu s tio n of used

7 t i res and cem e nt k iln s. Th e ad v anc e no t ice of t he

8 p r opo s ed r ule m aki n g a pp eare d to sup p ort the use of T DF

9 i n ce m ent kil n s. The p ream b le t o t h e n o tic e of pro p osed

1 0 r u lem a kin g ap p ear e d t he sam e , t h oug h th e te x t h a s

1 1 c h ang e d a n d t h ere are s ome i nco n sis t enc i es.

1 2 EP A is n ot p r ovi d ed

- - E P A i s no t pr o vid e d

1 3 a n ex p lan a tio n of thi s chan g e a n d/o r an y ba s is f or t he

1 4 c h ang e ot h er t han rel yi ng o n th e de f ini t ion of d isc a rded

1 5 t i res onl y

. T he O DEQ b elie v es a n e x emp t ion sho u ld b e

1 6 p r ovi d ed f or s tat e ti re pro g ram s al r ead y in exi s ten c e.

1 7 S u ch a n e x emp t ion wou ld be s tra i ght f orw a rd a nd c lea r --

1 8 f o r s u ch a n e x emp t ion s houl d be str a igh t for w ard and

1 9 c l ear

. S u ch a n e x emp ti on s h oul d be wit h out a l o t r e d

2 0 t a pe a nd/ o r t h e p e tit io n pr o ces s th a t's bee n id e nti f ied

2 1 a s an alt e rna t ive

. S ta te t i re p rog r ams cur r ent l y in

2 2 e x ist e nce sho u ld b e g ra ndfa t her int o th e ru l ema k ing

2 3 p r oce s s. The s e p r ogr am s ha v e p r ove n ef f ect i ve

- - t o be

2 4 e f fec t ive

. F u rth e r t he use of w hol e an d /or shr e dded

2 5 t i res as a TD F sh o uld b e en c our a ged by E PA, not1 5 3

1 d i sco u rag e d o r pr o hib it ed. The use of o ne t on o f w h ole

2 o r sh r edd e d t i res in ce ment kil n s i s th e eq u iva l ent of

3 1

. 25 t ons of c oal com bu stio n

.

4 Fu r the r, whe n wh o le t ire s ar e co m bus t ed i n

5 c e men t ki l ns, the ste el bel t ing bec o mes a c o mpo n ent of

6 c l ink e r r e pla c ing som e or a l l o f th e ir o n r e qui r ed b y

7 t h e m a nuf a ctu r ing pro ce ss. Dea l ing wit h di s car d ed t ires

8 a n d t h e f o rce pro c ess in g of who l e t i res onl y in c rea s es

9 e n erg y us e ac r oss the b oard

. I f EP A di s all o ws t he

1 0 c o mbu s tio n of who l e o r shre d ded tir e s i n ce m ent kil n s

1 1 m e rel y be c aus e th e y w er e di s car d ed, ext r a e n erg y wi l l

1 2 n o t o n ly b e r e qui r ed in the pro c ess i ng o f t h e w h ole

1 3 t i res

, bu t al s o i n th e remo v al o f t h e s t eel bel t s f r om

1 4 u s ed t ire s

.

1 5 Ev e n f ur ther

, if cru m b r u bbe r is com b ust e d

1 6 i n ce m ent kil n s, t he ir on c o mpo n ent has to b e

1 7 r e int r odu c ed b ack int o the k iln s se p ara t ely

. W h y

1 8 r e qui r e t h e r e mov a l o f stee l be l ts i f t h ey c an b e

1 9 a d van t age o us. Ho w is t hat b ene f ici a l? The com b ust i on

2 0 o f wh o le a nd/ o r s h red de d ti r es a s T D F a n d c e men t ki l ns

2 1 s a ves ene r gy. Th e co mb usti o n o f wh o le a nd/ o r s h red d ed

2 2 t i res is e con o mic a lly f easi b le. If the rec y cli n g or

2 3 r e use of t ire s as a T DF is p roh i bit e d a s a r esu l t of

2 4 t h is r ule m aki n g, w hat i s Ok l aho m a t o do wit h th e ir u sed

2 5 t i res ? T h ere is n o b en efit to t he e nvi r onm e nt w hen1 5 4

1 i l leg a l t i re d ump s in cr ease exp o nen t ial l y a n d/or

2 m o nof i ll l and f ill s ar e requ i red bec a use the y ha v e t o be

3 c r eat e d, a s a res u lt of the lac k of use or b ene f ici a l

4 u s e o f th e us e d t i res.

5 Wi t h a n incr e ase of i lle g al t ire dum p s,

6 t h ere ' s a l so a n i n cre as e of ris k of fir e s, t her e 's a lso

7 a n in c rea s e o f di s eas ed vec t ors

. T h ere ' s n o be n efi t to

8 E P A w h en i t p u she s th e reti r eme n t o f ad d iti o nal ene r gy

9 a n d t h e p r oce s sin g of t he u s ed t ire s wh e n t h e w h ole or

1 0 s h red d ed t ire can be us ed w i tho u t t h e p r oce s sin g . A

1 1 r e vie w of the not i ce of pub l ic r ule m aki n g a p pea r s to

1 2 i n dic a te E PA i s p u shi ng for inc r eas e d u s e o f co a l a n d

1 3 c e men t ki l ns.

1 4 EP A sh ou ld b e pu s hin g fo r th e us e of

1 5 a l ter n ati v e f u els tha t prov i de f or r ecy c lin g an d re u se

1 6 o f us e d t i res

. W h y d is allo w or hin d er s tat e ti r e

1 7 p r ogr a ms t hat are cur re ntly wor k ing ? S t ate tire

1 8 p r ogr a ms p rov i de b oth e nvir o nme n tal and eco n omic

1 9 b e nef i ts. Cu r ren t ly, e ffec t ive sta t e t i re p rog r ams

2 0 s h oul d be gra n dfa t her ed and the sta t e t i re p rog r ams

2 1 s h oul d be enc o ura g ed, n ot e n cum b ere d

. T han k yo u fo r the

2 2 o p por t uni t y.

2 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou, sir

. A n y

2 4 c o mme n ts, que s tio n s f ro m yo u gu y s?

2 5 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)1 5 5

1 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou b oth ver y mu c h.

2 T h ank you ver y co m ing.

3 Ou r ne xt two spe a ker s wi l l b e Da v id

4 B o nis t all and Pat Moo re

.

5 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

6 MR

. BO NI STAL L : G ood aft e rno o n. My n ame

7 i s Da v id B oni s tal l

. I am t h e v i ce p res i den t of

8 e n vir o nme n tal

, he a lth

, and s afe t y f o r N e wPa g e

9 C o rpo r ati o n. New P age C orpo r ati o n i s th e la r ges t co a ted

1 0 p a per man u fac t ure r in N orth Ame r ica

, ba s ed o n p r odu c tion

1 1 c a pac i ty, wit h $3

. 1 b il lion in n et s ale s fo r th e ye a r

1 2 e n din g 20 0 9. Our U.S

. pape r mi l ls a re l oca t ed i n

1 3 K e ntu c ky, Mai n e, M ary la nd, M ich i gan

, Mi n nes o ta, and

1 4 W i sco n sin

. A r oun d 49 p erce n t o f ou r en e rgy com e s f r om

1 5 r e new a ble sou r ces

. W e gene r ate abo u t 8 6 pe r cen t of the

1 6 e n erg y we use.

1 7 On Jun e 4th, EPA pro p ose d fo u r r e lat e d

1 8 r u lem a kin g s. My c omm en ts t o day wil l ad d res s the

1 9 p r opo s ed B oil e r M A CT ru le, t he p rop o sed non

- haz a rdo u s

2 0 s o lid was t e m a ter i als d efin i tio n , a n d o u r s i gni f ica n t

2 1 c o nce r ns t hat eac h po se to o ur c omp a ny.

2 2 At New Pa ge, w e h a ve 2 7 b o ile r s i m pac t ed b y

2 3 t h e p r opo s ed B oil e r M AC T ru l e; 1 2 s o lid fue l , t h ree

2 4 l i qui d fu e l, a nd 1 2 n at ural gas

. E v en t hou g h m a ny o f

2 5 o u r s o lid fue l bo i ler s curr e ntl y ha v e s t ate

- of- t he- a rt1 5 6

1 c o ntr o ls, the y st i ll wi ll n o t c o nsi s ten t ly m eet the

2 p r opo s ed B oil e r M A CT st anda r ds.

3 We are i n th e pr o ces s of rev i ewi n g a n d

4 c o ndu c tin g de t ail sit e- spec i fic eng i nee r ing rev i ew t o

5 d e ter m ine the Boi l er MA CT c o mpl i anc e co s ts f or N ewP a ge.

6 H o wev e r, p rel i min a ry co st e s tim a tes for New P age ind i cate

7 c a pit a l e x pen d itu r e o f grea t er t han $10 0 mi l lio n , a n d

8 p o ten t ial l y s e ver a l m il lion dol l ars in a ddi t ion a l a n nual

9 o p era t ing cos t s f o r t he se f a cil i tie s

. T hes e co s ts a re

1 0 s i gni f ica n t a n d w i ll pu t Ne w Pag e at a d i sti n ct

1 1 d i sad v ant a ge a s w e co mp ete i n a glo b al m ark e tpl a ce w ith

1 2 o t her pap e r p r odu c ers l ocat e d i n ju r isd i cti o ns t hat do

1 3 n o t h a ve t o c o mpl y wi th the s e r e qui r eme n ts. EP A ne e ds

1 4 t o be inc l udi n g f l exi bi lity opt i ons tha t al l ow f or

1 5 a l ter n ate com p lia n ce ap proa c hes

. T o ad d res s ar e as o f

1 6 c o nce r n w h ile min i miz in g re g ula t ory com p lia n ce c ost s , we

1 7 r e com

m end fol l owi n g f le xibi l ity imp r ove m ent s

.

1 8 EP A ne ed s to inc l ude the use of C lea n Air

1 9 A c t S e cti o n 1 1 2(d ) (4) t o es t abl i sh h eal t h-b a sed emi s sion

2 0 l i mit a tio n s o n a f aci li ty-b y -fa c ili t y b a sis usi n g a

2 1 r e aso n abl e de m ons t rat io n me t hod wit h out unn e ces s ari l y

2 2 c o mpl i cat e d p r oce d ure s. Th i s w i ll t arg e t e n vir o nme n tal

2 3 i n ves t men t s w h ere the re is a re a l n e ed.

2 4 EP A ne ed s to inc l ude a t o tal sel e ct m eta l s

2 5 u n it a s a n al t ern a tiv e comp l ian c e a p pro a ch f or t he1 5 7

1 p r opo s ed P M s t and a rd. EPA n eed s to pro v ide alt e rna t ive

2 o r gan i c H A P l i mit s fo r unit s th a t c o ke- f ire coa l and

3 b i oma s s. The s e u n its a re b e ing pen a liz e d u n der the

4 p r opo s ed s ubc a teg o rie s. Ou r un i ts t hat fir e mo r e t h an

5 1 0 pe r cen t co a l a n d b io mass are pla c ed i n a coal

6 s u bca t ego r y, b ut w ill h ave t rou b le m eet i ng t he o rga n ic

7 H A P l i mit s

. A s a com pl ianc e st r ate g y, u nit s ma y ha v e to

8 s w itc h aw a y f r om b iom as s an d bu r n m o re c oal

. T h is

9 u n int e nde d co n seq u enc e of r e pla c ing bio m ass and fos s il

1 0 f u el i s c o ntr a ry t o n at iona l po l icy and enc o ura g es t he

1 1 u s e o f mo r e r e new a ble b ioma s s f u el.

1 2 EP A ne ed s to inc l ude fur t her

1 3 s u bca t ego r iza t ion to ad dres s sm a ll o r l i mit e d-u s e u n its.

1 4 E P A n e eds to m ain t ain t he w o rk p rac t ice sta n dar d for

1 5 n a tur a l g a s. For det er mini n g t h e M A CT f loo r , E P A n e eds

1 6 t o us e em i ssi o n i n for ma tion tha t is rep r ese n tat i ve o f

1 7 t h e s u bca t ego r y, a nd ta kes i nto acc o unt uni t op e rat i ng

1 8 v a ria b ili t y a n d h o w b es t-pe r for m ing a u n its per f orm

1 9 a c ros s th e HA P s b e ing r egul a ted

. E P A h a s u s ed a "b e st

2 0 o f th e be s t" d ata set a nd h a s " c her r y p i cke d " t h e b e st

2 1 d a ta t o e s tab l ish the p ropo s ed l imi t s o n a

2 2 p o llu t ant

- by- p oll u tan t basi s

. T his app r oac h has

2 3 r e sul t ed i n v e ry s tri ng ent l imi t s t h at a re n ot

2 4 r e fle c tiv e of the act ua l pe r for m anc e of one or m ore

2 5 u n its.1 5 8

1 Th e EP A need s to be c lea r th a t

2 t i re- d eri v ed f uel is a fuel and not a w a ste

. D e fin i ng

3 t h e c l ass i fic a tio n of T DF b a sed on w ire con t ent is

4 a r bit r ary and doe s no t rela t e t o en v iro n men t al i mpa c t.

5 O u r v e ndo r s t h at s upp ly TDF as a bo i ler fue l ar e not

6 a b le t o m e et t he " rel at ivel y wi r e-f r ee r equ i rem e nt. " If

7 T D F i s co n sid e red a w as te a n d n o t a fue l , w e wi l l

8 p o ten t ial l y c e ase to us e an d re p lac e ab o ut a 10 0 ,000

9 p l us t ons per yea r of T DF w i th c oal at a si g nif i can t ly

1 0 h i ghe r co s t.

1 1 We are v ery c onc e rne d th a t t h ese pro p osed

1 2 r u les are far mor e re st rict i ve t han nee d ed t o p r ote c t

1 3 t h e e n vir o nme n t. Ind us try c ost est i mat e s f o r c o mpl i ance

1 4 w i th t hes e ru l es i s i n the r ang e of $20 to $ 50 b ill i on

1 5 a n d s i gni f ica n tly hig he r th a n E P A's cos t es t ima t es.

1 6 Th e se hi gh c o sts

, at a t i me w hen the

1 7 n a tio n is rec o ver i ng fr om t h e r e ces s ion

, ar e not

1 8 s u sta i nab l e a n d w i ll re sult in f urt h er l oss of

1 9 h i gh- q ual i ty m anu f act ur ing j obs in t he U nit e d S t ate s as

2 0 c o mpa n ies clo s e o r re lo cate off s hor e

. T han k yo u fo r the

2 1 o p por t uni t y t o co m men t. Ne w Pag e wi l l b e su b mit t ing

2 2 d e tai l ed c omm e nts by th e Au g ust dea d lin e

.

2 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h fo r yo u r

2 4 c o mme n ts. Do you hav e any q ues t ion s ?

2 5 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)1 5 9

1 MR

. WA YL AND: Mr

. Mo o re?

2 MR

. MO OR E: G ood aft e rno o n. My n ame is

3 P a t M o ore

. I ' m t h e m il l ma n age r at the Luk e mi l l. The

4 L u ke m ill is l oca t ed in Luk e , M a ryl a nd a s p a rt o f

5 N e wPa g e C o rpo r ati o n. A t th e Lu k e m i ll, we m anu f act u re

6 a b out 530

, 000 ton s pe r year of c oat e d-f r ee s hee t pa p ers

7 f o r u s e i n th e co m mer ci al a n d p u bli c ati o n p r int i ng a s

8 w e ll a s o n e-s i ded coa te d pa p ers for lab e l a p pli c ati o ns.

9 O u r p r odu c ts e nha n ce so ciet y 's w ell

- bei n g w h ile

1 0 p r ovi d ing goo d jo b s f or Ame r ica n me n an d wo m en i n a very

1 1 r u ral are a

.

1 2 Th e Lu ke mil l ha s be e n a n ac t ive and

1 3 s i gni f ica n t p r ese n ce in the sur r oun d ing reg i on s ince

1 4 1 8 88. Th e mi l l e n com pa sses abo u t 2 2 8 a c res and is

1 5 l o cat e d i n th r ee c oun ti es i n tw o st a tes ; Al l ega n ey a nd

1 6 G a rre t t c o unt i es i n M ar ylan d an d Mi n era l Co u nty in W est

1 7 V i rgi n ia. We emp l oy ab out 9 70 i ndi v idu a ls w ith

1 8 h i gh- q ual i ty g ree n jo bs wit h an n ual emp l oye e wa g es a nd

1 9 b e nef i ts t ota l ing mor e than $82 mil l ion

. T h ese are very

2 0 g o od p ayi n g j o bs a nd ar e im p ort a nt f or t he s urv i val of

2 1 s u rro u ndi n g s m all and r ural com m uni t ies

. M o st o f o u r

2 2 e m plo y ees are als o ou r neig h bor s li v ing wit h in 2 5 m i les

2 3 o f th e mi l l, y et s ome o f th e m l i ve r igh t ac r oss the

2 4 s t ree t fr o m u s

. A t t he Luk e mi l l, w e t a ke o ur c orp o rate

2 5 r e spo n sib i lit y to pro te ct a n d s u sta i n t h e e n vir o nme n t1 6 0

1 a n d o u r n a tur a l r e sou rc es v e ry s eri o usl y

. C lea n ai r and

2 c l ean wat e r a r e v e ry im port a nt f or t he h eal t h a n d

3 a v ail a bil i ty o f t h e b as ic r a w m a ter i als tha t we use to

4 m a nuf a ctu r e p a per

. T hr ough o ut t he h ist o ry o f t h e L u ke

5 m i ll, we' v e i n ves t ed in sta t e-o f -th e -ar t eq u ipm e nt t o

6 i n clu d e i n th e qu a lit y of o u r p r odu c ts a nd t he

7 e f fic i enc y of our ope ra tion s

. W e h a ve m ade sig n ifi c ant

8 i n ves t men t s i n hi g h-g ra de m a ter i als and tec h nol o gie s was

9 t o en s ure the Luk e mi ll is s afe

, co s t c o mpe t iti v e, a nd

1 0 e n vir o nme n tal l y s o und.

1 1 On Jun e 4th, the EPA pro p ose d th a t B o iler

1 2 M a xim u m A c hie v abl e Co nt rol T ech n olo g y r u le a nd t hree

1 3 o t her rel a ted rul e s. M y co m men t s t o day wil l ad d res s the

1 4 p r opo s ed B oil e r M A CT ru le.

1 5 At the L uke m ill

, we hav e th r ee b oil e rs

1 6 i m pac t ed b y t h e p r opo se d Bo i ler MAC T ru l e, t wo s olid

1 7 f u el b oil e rs, and one n atur a l g a s b o ile r

. W e a r e

1 8 c o nce r ned tha t th e pr op osed Boi l er M ACT rul e is far more

1 9 r e str i cti v e t h an n eed ed to p rot e ct t he e nvi r onm e nt. We

2 0 b e lie v e E P A h a s s i gni fi cant dis c ret i on w ith the MACT

2 1 p r ogr a m t o us e va r iou s appr o ach e s t o al l ow f lex i bil i ty

2 2 f o r t h e r e gul a ted com mu nity whi l e s t ill pro t ect i ng

2 3 p u bli c he a lth and the e nvir o nme n t a n d a v oid i ng t he

2 4 u n nec e ssa r y b u rde n s a nd ass o cia t ed c ost s th e pr o pos e d

2 5 r u le c oul d po s e.1 6 1

1 At Luk e, we i nve s ted ove r $3 2 mi l lio n to

2 i n sta l l a bag h ous e fo r our b oil e rs t o e n sur e co m pli a nce

3 w i th t he p rev i ous Boi le r MA C T r u le. We fin d it very

4 d i stu r bin g th a t o u r n ew sta t e-o f -th e -ar t ba g hou s e d o es

5 n o t c o mpl y wi t h t h e p ro pose d pa r tic u lat e ma t ter emi s sion

6 l i mit

. W e ar e st i ll in the pro c ess of c ond u cti n g an

7 e n gin e eri n g r e vie w to d eter m ine wha t en h anc e men t s a r e

8 n e ede d to imp r ove the p erfo r man c e o f th e ba g hou s e s o it

9 c a n m e et t he p rop o sed p arti c ula t e m a tte r li m its.

1 0 We are a lso e val u ati n g c o sts for

1 1 c o mpl i anc e wi t h t h e o th er B o ile r MA C T p r opo s ed l imi t s.

1 2 I n ad d iti o n t o th e $3 2 mill i on w e a l rea d y s p ent

, our

1 3 p r eli m ina r y i n for m ati on ind i cat e s t h at L uke wil l ne e d to

1 4 i n ves t an o the r $1 4 an d a ha l f m i lli o n t o en s ure

1 5 c o mpl i anc e wi t h p r opo se d Bo i ler MAC T li m its

. T h ese

1 6 c o sts are ver y si g nif ic ant f or m y m i ll a nd w ill put us

1 7 a t a d isa d van t age not h ave t o c o mpl y wi t h t h ese

1 8 r e qui r eme n ts. I a m c on cern e d t h at t hes e ad d iti o nal

1 9 c o sts wil l im p act our a bili t y t o co m pet e su c ces s ful l y in

2 0 a glo b al m ark e tpl a ce.

2 1 If EPA p rovi d es m ore fle x ibl e ap p roa c hes

2 2 f o r c o mpl i anc e al t ern at ives in t he r ule

, pu b lic hea l th

2 3 a n d t h e e n vir o nme n t w il l st i ll b e p r ote c ted wit h out

2 4 u n nec e ssa r y c o sts

. I w ould lik e to sug g est for EPA ' s

2 5 c o nsi d era t ion the fol lo wing opt i ons to a ddr e ss a rea s of1 6 2

1 c o nce r n w h ile min i miz in g re g ula t ory com p lia n ce c ost s

.

2 EP A sh ou ld u t ili z e C l ean Air Act Sec t ion

3 1 1 2(d ) (4) to e sta b lis h heal t h-b a sed emi s sio n li m ita t ions

4 t o pr o tec t th e en v iro nm ent a nd p ubl i c h e alt h

. T his will

5 a v oid the use of u nne ce ssar y co n tro l s w h en e mis s ion s of

6 p o llu t ant s ar e lo w en ou gh t o be saf e

. T he u se o f

7 h e alt h -ba s ed e mis s ion l imit a tio n s w i ll b e n o mo r e

8 s t rin g ent or l ess str in gent tha n ne e ded and wil l al s o

9 t a rge t en v iro n men t al in vest m ent s wh e re t her e is a r e al

1 0 n e ed.

1 1 EP A sh ou ld i n clu d e t o tal sel e ct m eta l s

1 2 l i mit as a n a l ter n ati ve com p lia n ce a ppr o ach e d f o r t h e

1 3 p r opo s ed p art i cul a te ma tter sta n dar d

. E PA s hou l d

1 4 i n clu d e f u rth e r s u bca te gori z ati o n t o ad d res s sm a ll o r

1 5 l i mit e d u s e u n its

. T he EPA sho u ld m ain t ain the work

1 6 p r act i ce s tan d ard for n atur a l g a s u n its.

1 7 I w oul d like to c onc l ude wit h a p roc e ss

1 8 r e com

m end a tio n fo r EP A. As a f a cil i ty m ana g er, it i s

1 9 v e ry d iff i cul t fo r me t o de t erm i ne w hat my r equ i rem e nts,

2 0 o b lig a tio n s a n d p o ten ti al c o sts wou l d b e fo r Bo i ler MACT

2 1 w h en E PA h as y et t o d et ermi n e w h at i s a "fu e l" a nd w hat

2 2 i s a " was t e." Pl e ase f inal i ze t he d efi n iti o n of

2 3 n o n-h a zar d ous sol i d w as te f i rst

, th e n s t abi l ize the data

2 4 s e t a n d b o ile r an d fl oo r de t erm i nat i ons wit h "b o ile r "

2 5 u n its

, re q ues t mo r e i nf orma t ion to f ill dat a ga p s a n d1 6 3

1 t h en c ome bac k to the r easo n abl e Bo i ler MAC T pr o pos a l.

2 P l eas e al s o a s k t h e c ou rts f or a s m u ch t ime is n eed e d to

3 f i nal i ze a ru l e t h at is rea s ona b le, mee t s t h e i n ten d ed

4 o b jec t ive s an d is wel l thou g ht t hro u gh. Th a nk y ou f or

5 t h e o p por t uni t y t o pr ov ide c omm e nts and for your

6 a t ten t ion.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: An y qu e sti o ns? Th a nk y ou,

8 g e ntl e men

, ve r y m u ch. We h a ve t wo a ddi t ion a l s p eak e rs,

9 J a mes Kle i n a n d J a son F rede r ick.

1 0 (S p eak er s ap p roa c h.)

1 1 MR

. WA YL AND: Mr

. Kl e in, whe n eve r yo u 're

1 2 r e ady.

1 3 MR

. KL EI N: G ood aft e rno o n m y na m e is

1 4 J a mes Kle i n. I a m th e curr e nt c hai r of the Cle a n A i r

1 5 E c ono m y C o ali t ion of Co rpus Chr i sti

, Te x as. I' m he r e

1 6 r e pre s ent i ng 4 00 m emb er s an d fa r ma n y m o re s upp o rte r s of

1 7 o u r o r gan i zat i on, as we ll, i ncl u din g or g ani z ati o ns s uch

1 8 a s th e Be a ch A ct C oal it ion o f C o rpu s Ch r ist i , S u rf

1 9 R i der s Fo u nda t ion of Co rpus Chr i sti

, as wel l

.

2 0 We org an ized a l i ttl e ov e r t w o y e ars ago,

2 1 a b out two and a h a lf ye ars a go, to p rom o te l ow- e mis s ions

2 2 e n erg y in the Cor p us Ch rist i ar e a, i n O a sis Cou n ty, San

2 3 P a tri c io C oun t y, a nd in Nue c es C oun t y, a s w e ll, and air

2 4 q u ali t y i n Co r pus Chr is ti i s a c onc e rn t o u s

. C orp u s

2 5 C h ris t i h a s t h e h i ghe st con c ent r ati o n -

- we l l, t he1 6 4

1 s e con d hi g hes t co n cen tr atio n of ref i ner i es i n t h e U n ited

2 S t ate s se c ond onl y to L os A n gel e s. We h ave six

3 r e fin e rie s in a c o mmu ni ty o f 30 0 ,00 0 pe o ple

, an d in

4 a d dit i on t o t h at, a n ew Age n cy, the Las Bri s as E ner g y

5 C e nte r is pro p osi n g t o buil d a t oxi c wa s te i nci n era t or

6 i n do w nto w n C o rpu s Ch ri sti t o b u rn p etr o leu m

.

7 TC E Q, Te xas C omm i ssi o n o n En v iro n men t al

8 Q u ali t y, w ill con s ide r are t he a ir p erm i t, p erm i t n u mber

9 8 5

- - - is it 8 501 3

-- a t it s Ju n e 3 0 th m eet i ng i n A u stin

1 0 n e xt w eek at t he L as Br isas Ene r gy C ent e r a p pli c ati o n --

1 1 a i r p e rmi t ap p lic a tio n, and we i nte n d t o at t end that

1 2 m e eti n g.

1 3 I s hou ld tel l yo u th a t i n Oa s is C oun t y,

1 4 S a n P a tri c io C oun t y, an d Nu e ces Cou n ty m edi c al s oci e ties

1 5 h a ve a ll c ome out aga in st L a s B r isa s

. I be l iev e th a t

1 6 i t 's g oin g to be h arm fu l to the com m uni t y's hea l th,

1 7 a l rea d y c o nce r ned by th e ab s orb e ntl y hi g h a s thm a ra t es

1 8 i n Co r pus Chr i sti and s urro u ndi n g a r eas and bir t h

1 9 d e fec t s i n th e ar e a, as wel l

. T hey ' re e spe c ial l y

2 0 c o nce r ned abo u t c u rre nt emi s sio n s a l rea d y -

- ve r y h i gh

2 1 e m iss i ons of S O2 i n t he com m una l ity

, pa r tic u lat e ma t ter,

2 2 a s we l l, a nd v ery hig h rate s of emi s sio n s c o min g fr o m

2 3 t h is n ew p rop o sed pla nt

.

2 4 Th e re ar e 28

, 000 sch o olc h ild r en w ho w ill

2 5 l i ve

- - w h o w i ll g o t o scho o l w i thi n fi v e m i les of t his1 6 5

1 p r opo s ed p lan t

. C urr en tly, the Las Bri s as E ner g y C e nter

2 i s cl a im/ a rgu i ng t hat t he M A CT a nal y sis is n ot n eed e d

3 b e cau s e p e tro l eum cok e is n o t d e fin e d s u ch a s e n erg y or

4 a s a w ast e pr o duc t

. We wou l d a s k t h at

- - t h at s ome

5 c l ari f ica t ion be p rov id ed f o r t h at. At the sam e ti m e,

6 a s we l l, t her e is ano th er s t udy goi n g o n in Cor p us

7 C h ris t i c o nce r nin g be nz ine r ele a ses fro m cu r rent

8 e x ist i ng r efi n eri e s i n the a rea.

9 Th i s i s cond u cte d by a l o cal gro u p c a lled

1 0 t h e C i tiz e ns f or E nvi ro nmen t al J ust i ce, con d uct e d a f ter

1 1 t e n y e ars of r efu s al to bon d th e Te x as c omm i ssi o ner on

1 2 e n vir o nme n tal qua l ity t o co n duc t su c h a stu d y. That

1 3 y e ar- e nd s tud y de t erm in ed t h ere wer e ab s orb a ntl y hi g h

1 4 b e nzi n e l e vel s in peo pl e li v ing in t he H ill c rest

1 5 c o mmu n ity imm e dia t ely a djac e nt t o s e ver a l r e fin e rie s in

1 6 t h e n o rth e rn p art of Co rpus Chr i sti.

1 7 In Add it ion t o t h at, as w e d e ter m ine now,

1 8 a s a c ons e que n ce o f t ha t st u dy, tha t hu n dre d s of

1 9 m i lli o ns o f d o lla r s w or th o f hy d roc a rbo n s a r e i n the

2 0 g r oun d an d th e gr o und wa ter b ene a th t he H ill c rest

2 1 n e igh b orh o od c urr e ntl y righ t no w se e pin g in t o p e opl e 's

2 2 h o mes and int o th e ir bl oods t rea m s. We w oul d ur g e t h at

2 3 t h e E P A -

- TC E Q, a s w el l, a n d s p eci f ica l ly t he E PA m ove

2 4 t o war d a m ore cum u lat iv e st u dy o f e m iss i ons -- t o l o ok

2 5 a t th e em i ssi o ns n ot ju st a t an y on e pl a nt, but of a ll1 6 6

1 t h ose in t he i mme d iat e vici n ity

, wh e the r it be l ook i ng

2 a t SO 2 or mer c ury or le ad o r pa r tic u lat e ma t ter or w hat

3 h a ve y ou. An d ye s , I d o in t end to s ubm i t w r itt e n

4 c o mme n ts r ega r din g al l this

, as wel l , b y th e Au g ust 3rd

5 d e adl i ne, as w ell

. T ha nk y o u f o r g i vin g me a c h anc e to

6 s p eak.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. O kay.

8 T h ank you

, si r

.

9 Mr

. Fr ed eric k ?

1 0 MR

. FR ED ERIC K : G ood aft e rno o n. My n ame

1 1 i s Ja s on F red e ric k of T otal Pet r och e mic a ls, and I am

1 2 s p eak i ng t oda y on beh al f of the Pla s tic s Di v isi o n o f the

1 3 A

m eri c an C hem i str y Co un cil, whi c h r e pre s ent s ma n y o f the

1 4 n a tio n 's l ead i ng m anu fa ctur e rs o f p l ast i c r e sin s

. I am

1 5 h e re t oda y to pro v ide t esti m ony on t he p rop o sed rule

1 6 d e fin i ng w hat non

- haz ar dous sec o nda r y m a ter i als are

1 7 s o lid was t es f or p urp os es o f re g ula t ion und e r S e cti o n

1 8 1 2 9 o f th e Cl e an A ir Ac t. T he p rop o sed rul e is

1 9 i m por t ant to A CC' s Pl as tics Div i sio n be c aus e the

2 0 p l ast i cs i ndu s try has a rob u st a nd l ong

- sta n ding

2 1 c o mmi t men t to sup p ort in g ef f ort s to add r ess end

- of- l ife

2 2 i s sue s fo r pl a sti c s, an d no t abl y , w e al s o p r omo t e t h e

2 3 r e cyc l ing of p las t ics a s a v alu a ble fue l so u rce

. We

2 4 s t ron g ly s upp o rt t he us e of non

- haz a rdo u s s e con d ary

2 5 m a ter i als as f uel as a mean s to con s erv e re s our c es a nd1 6 7

1 p r omo t e g r eat e r d i ver si ty o f fu e l s o urc e s.

2 Fo r to da y's h ear i ng, we w oul d li k e t o ma k e

3 t h ree key poi n ts. Fi rs t, p l ast i cs h ave a v e ry h igh

4 i n her e nt f uel val u e. T he B T U o f pl a sti c s i s hi g her than

5 c o al, whi c h m e ans tha t plas t ics tha t ca n not be

6 m e cha n ica l ly r ecy c led s houl d be use d as fue l ra t her than

7 b e ing lan d fil l ed.

8 Se c ond

, mark e ts a re e mer g ing whi c h a s sess

9 v a lue to p las t ics as fu el s o urc e

. E ven in t his

1 0 d i ffi c ult eco n omi c cl im ate, we' r e s e ein g in n ova t ion and

1 1 g r owt h in con v ers i on te chno l ogi e s t h at c an t ake

1 2 h a rd- t o-r e cyc l e p l ast ic s an d /or mun i cip a l s o lid was t e

1 3 a n d c o nve r t t h ese to di ffer e nt f orm s of ene r gy. So m e

1 4 t e chn o log i es a re c onv er ting mun i cip a l s o lid was t e t o a

1 5 g a s, o the r s a r e c o nve rt ing p las t ics to a sy n the t ic c rude

1 6 o i l, a nd s ome exi s tin g comp a nie s ar e bl e ndi n g

1 7 p o stc o nsu m er p las t ics w ith b iom a ss m ate r ial s an d us i ng

1 8 t h is f uel to d isp l ace c oal a nd p etr o leu m co k e i n ce m ent

1 9 k i lns

. I n a d raf t re po rt d a ted Oct o ber 200 8 , f o r t h e

2 0 E P A t i tle d "T r end s in B enef i cia l Us e of Alt e rna t ive

2 1 F u els and Raw Mat e ria ls " fo r th e Ce m ent Sec t or, the use

2 2 o f pl a sti c s-b a sed fue ls are men t ion e d a s pr o mis i ng

2 3 a l ter n ati v es t o c o al.

2 4 An d th ir d, t h e r e gul a tor y st r uct u re s hou l d

2 5 n o t u n dul y bu r den the a bili t y o f th e in d ust r y t o lo o k to1 6 8

1 p l ast i cs a s a n ap p rop ri ate s our c e o f fu e l.

2 AC C ha s been hig h ly s ucc e ssf u l l a unc h ing

3 m u lti p le p rog r ams to re use a nd r ecy c le p las t ics

. We

4 f u lly sup p ort EPA ' s g en eral sol i d w a ste hie r arc h y or

5 r e duc e , r e use

, re c ycl e, and ene r gy r eco v ery

. L a ndf i ll

6 d i spo s iti o n s h oul d be a las t re s ort

. A s th e U. S . E P A

7 l o oks to i den t ify whi ch non

- haz a rdo u s m a ter i als sho u ld

8 b e co n sid e red sol i d w as te a n d w h ich wou l d b e co n sid e red

9 f u el, we s upp o rt a re gu lato r y r e gim e th a t w o uld not harm

1 0 t h e f l edg l ing ind u str y of p r odu c ing fue l s c o nta i ning

1 1 s e con d ary pla s tic s

.

1 2 We see v ery s tro n g b e nef i ts t o e x pan d ing

1 3 t h e r e cov e ry o f e n erg y beyo n d t r adi t ion a l

1 4 w a ste

- to- e ner g y f a cil it ies a nd c eme n t k i lns

, and

1 5 e n sur i ng t hat reg u lat io ns a r e n o t s o ov e rly tig h ten e d

1 6 t h at r efu s e d e riv e d f ue ls c o nta i nin g po s tco n sum e r

1 7 p l ast i cs c ann o t r e mai n a vi a ble opt i on f or r eco v ery

1 8 e n erg y at ind u str i al an d co m mer c ial boi l ers

. A s th i s

1 9 n a tio n ri s es t o m e et Pr esid e nt O bam a 's c hal l eng e of

2 0 b e com i ng m ore ene r gy in depe n den t , c o mba t ing cli m ate

2 1 c h ang e , a n d p r omo t ing a mor e su s tai n abl e pl a net

, we must

2 2 n o t c u rta i l p o ten t ial m arke t s f o r f u els tha t wi l l

2 3 s i mul t ane o usl y re d uce t he a m oun t of val u abl e se c ond a ry

2 4 m a ter i als goi n g t o th is nat i on' s la n dfi l ls.

2 5 We hav e inve s ted hea v ily in e xpa n ding1 6 9

1 r e cyc l ing

, bu t we are h ere t oda y to sta t e t h at i t is

2 c r iti c al t hat we c ont in ue t o su p por t so u nd r egu l ato r y

3 p o lic y th a t d o esn ' t s ti fle i nno v ati o n a n d e n ergy

4 i n dep e nde n ce. Ad d iti on al w r itt e n c o mme n ts w ill be

5 s u bmi t ted wit h re s pec t to h o w t h e r u lem a kin g sh o uld

6 a p ply to p las t ics

. T ha nk y o u.

7 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

8 Q u est i ons ? C o mme n ts?

9 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

1 0 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou, gen t lem e n, v ery

1 1 m u ch. Ou r ne x t s p eak er wil l be Hil t on K ell y

.

1 2 (S p eak er app r oac h es.)

1 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Mr

. Ke l ly, ple a se s tat e yo u r

1 4 n a me a nd y our aff i lia ti on.

1 5 MR

. KE LL Y: Y es, goo d af t ern o on e ver y one.

1 6 M y na m e i s Hi l ton Kel ly . I ' m w i th t he C omm u nity

1 7 E m pow e rin g De v elo p ing A ssoc i ati o n i n Po r t A r thu r , T e xas.

1 8 I am a lso a N E JAC mem be r, N a tio n al E nvi r onm e nta l Ju s tice

1 9 A d vis o ry C oun c il t o E PA . I hav e a f ew c omm e nts tod a y,

2 0 a n d I wou l d l i ke t o h it on a fe w po i nts con c ern i ng s ome

2 1 o f th e is s ues on t he ta ble t oda y , a n d i t pe r tai n s to

2 2 s o lid was t e a n d b o ile rs

.

2 3 We wan t to f i rst tha n k t h e E n vir o nme n tal

2 4 P r ote c tio n Ag e ncy adm in istr a tio n , L i sa J ack s on, for

2 5 t a kin g th e st e ps t o c on trol tox i c a i r p o llu t ion from1 7 0

1 c h emi c al p lan t s, r efi ne ries

, pa p er m ill s , a n d o t her

2 i n dus t ria l so u rce s th at are mak i ng o ur a ir u nsa f e to

3 b r eat h e. The EPA new r ules wil l fi n all y ma k e t h e

4 l a rge s t o f th e se f aci li ties con t rol the emi s sio n s f r om

5 t h eir boi l ers and pro ce ss h e ate r s. It i s a b out tim e

.

6 T h ese sta n dar d s a r e t en yea r s o v erd u e a n d o u r f a mil i es

7 a n d c o mmu n iti e s n e ed th e pr o tec t ion the s e r u les will

8 p r ovi d e. Esp e cia l ly im port a nt t o u s is EPA ' s d e cis i on

9 t o el i min a te t he o utr ag eous mal f unc t ion exe m pti o n. In

1 0 o t her wor d s, t he e xem pt ions of o ur c hem i cal pla n ts,

1 1 r e fin e rie s , a n d o t her m ajor pol l ute r s t o vi o lat e the

1 2 e m iss i on s tan d ard s an d blan k et o ur c omm u nit i es i n t o xic

1 3 p o llu t ion ove r an d ov er aga i n w i tho u t a n y

1 4 a c cou n tab i lit y

.

1 5 Cl o sin g that loo p hol e me a ns t hat the s e

1 6 f a cil i tie s wi l l h a ve to run the i r b o ile r s a n d p r oce s s

1 7 h e ate r s r e spo n sib l y. W e kn o w t h at p owe r ful ind u stry

1 8 l o bby i sts are lin i ng up to o ppo s e t h is r ule

. T h ey w ant

1 9 l o oph o les and exe m pti on s. T hey wan t th e ru l es w eak e ned

2 0 a n d d e lay e d, b ut t hes e rule s wi l l p r eve n t 4

, 800

2 1 u n nec e ssa r y d e ath s ev er y ye a r a n d w i ll s ave bil l ion s of

2 2 d o lla r s i n co s ts. Li sa Jac k son

, do not cav e in to

2 3 i n dus t ria l pr e ssu r e. M ake t hes e ru l es s tro n ger

, not

2 4 w e ake r , a n d w e is s ue th em w i tho u t d e lay

-- p lea s e i s sue

2 5 t h em w ith o ut d ela y

.1 7 1

1 Al t hou gh EPA ' s r u le f or m ajo r so u rce

2 b o ile r s d e ser v es a ppl au se, E PA' s de f ini t ion of

3 n o n-h a zar d ous sol i d w as te i s da n ger o us a nd

4 i r res p ons i ble

. B y de fi ning ind u str i al w ast e s as

5 " f uel s ," t he p rop o sal w ill a llo w al l bu t a f ew

6 f a cil i tie s to bur n sp en t ch e mic a ls, spe n t s o lve n ts,

7 s c rap pla s tic

, in d ust ri al s l udg e , c o al m ini n g w a ste,

8 u s ed m oto r oi l an d ot he r wa s tes in b oil e rs a nd p roc e ss

9 h e ate r s w i th n o o b lig at ion t o c o ntr o l o r mo n ito r th e ir

1 0 t o xic pol l uti o n, a nd no obl i gat i on t o r e por t the

1 1 i d ent i ty a nd q ual i ty of the i r t o xic emi s sio n s t o EP A

,

1 2 s t ate per m itt i ng a uth or itie s , o r th e pu b lic.

1 3 EP A 's pr opos a l c l aim s th i s r e sul t is

1 4 a c qui r ed b y l a w. Tha t clai m is fal s e. Lis a Ja c kso n

,

1 5 y o u h a ve t he a uth o rit y to b r ing the tox i c e m iss i ons from

1 6 t h ese ind u str y in c ine ra tors und e r c o ntr o l. Ple a se d o

1 7 n o t a l low ind u str i al fa cili t ies to b urn the i r w a ste in

1 8 u n con t rol l ed a nd u nmo ni tore d fa c ili t ies

. I t ex p ose s us

1 9 t o to x ic p oll u tio n an d depr i ves us o f t h e r i ght to k now

2 0 w h at p oll u tio n is.

2 1 An d al so , on a m o re p ers o nal not e , i n the

2 2 C i ty o f P o rt A rth u r, Te xas, we h ave an i nci n era t or

2 3 f a cil i ty c all e d V e oli a, and for the las t th r ee o r f o ur

2 4 y e ars

, Ve o lia has bee n peti t ion i ng o ur f ede r al

2 5 g o ver n men t ve r y h a rd, o ur m i lit a ry, Off i ce o f D e fen s e,1 7 2

1 t o br i ng i n m u sta r d g as con t ami n ate d wa s te t o b u rn i n

2 t h e C i ty o f P o rt A rth ur . P o rt A rth u r i s ho m e t o at

3 l e ast 20 r efi n eri e s, sm all a nd l arg e , a n d w e ar e be i ng

4 d i spr o por t ion a tel y im pa cted at t his par t icu l ar t ime and

5 h a ve b een for ove r 50 y ears

. V e oli a is an i nci n era t or

6 f a cil i ty a nd t hey pro po se t o bu r n m u sta r d g a s i n our

7 c o mmu n ity onc e ag a in.

8 Tw o ye ar s ag o , t h ey b rou g ht i n V X ne r ve

9 g a s f r om b ack eas t to b urn i n t h e C i ty o f P o rt A rth u r;

1 0 w e pr o tes t ed t hat

, bu t stil l , i t wa s -- it f ell on d eaf

1 1 e a rs, and the y br o ugh t it i n an y way

. T h is i nci n era t or

1 2 h a s n o wa y of mea s uri ng the tox i cit y le v el o f t h is

1 3 m u sta r d g a s. The y ha ve no w ay o f p r ovi n g t h at a ll t he

1 4 m u sta r d g a s i s 99

. 99 pe rcen t de s tro y ed, oth e r t h an

1 5 m o del s th a t t h ey h ave u sed. Po r t A r thu r ha s a

1 6 d i spr o por t ion a te n umb er of p eop l e i n it wit h se v ere

1 7 r e spi r ato r y p r obl e ms, a nd m o st o f t h e t i me, whe n pe o ple

1 8 d i e i n ou r co m mun i ty, i t's b eca u se o f c a nce r

.

1 9 En o ugh i s en o ugh alr e ady

. P o rt A rth u r is

2 0 d i spr o por t ion a tel y im pa cted

, an d so is t he L oui s iana

2 1 a r ea. It ' s t i me f or it to s top

, an d we ask Lis a Ja c kson

2 2 t o do eve r yth i ng s he ca n to pro t ect the cit i zen s of Port

2 3 A r thu r , T e xas and oth er com m uni t ies lik e it

, an d I t hank

2 4 y o u-a l l f o r y o ur t ime.

2 5 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou, sir

, fo r yo u r1 7 3

1 c o mme n ts. An y qu e sti on s?

2 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

.

4 MR

. KE LL Y: T han k yo u

.

5 MR

. WA YL AND: Th e ne x t s p eak e r w i ll b e

6 R o sal i a G u err e ro.

7 MS

. GU ER RERO : G o od a fte r noo n

.

8 MR

. WA YL AND: Go o d a f ter n oon.

9 MS

. GU ER RERO : T h ank s fo r ha v ing us. My

1 0 n a me i s R o sal i a G u err er o, t h at' s R- O -S- A -L- I -A,

1 1 G

- U-E

- R-R

- E-R

- O. Aga in , I' d li k e t o sa y th a nk y ou f or

1 2 c o min g an d li s ten i ng to -- h avi n g t h is o ppo r tun i ty t o

1 3 g i ve t hes e co m men t s. I 'm -

- I' m a m om, on- a gai n

,

1 4 o f f-a g ain com m uni t y e du cato r , a n d -

- an d ha v e b e en b orn

1 5 a n d b r ed h ere in t he Gu lf C o ast

, Ho u sto n 's i ndu s tri a l

1 6 a r ea.

1 7 My com me nts t oda y wi l l r e lat e to the

1 8 p r opo s ed a ir t oxi c st an dard s fo r al l fo r the

1 9 i n sti t uti o nal boi l ers

, proc e ss h eat e rs, and inc i ner a tor

2 0 u n its

. I ' ve b een goi ng thr o ugh the inf o rma t ion

. I have

2 1 b e en. I s ee w her e it 's lik e me r cur y , l e ad, cad m ium

2 2 p a rti c ula t e m a tte r , s ul fur d iox i de, dio x ins

. T h is i s

2 3 s e rio u s s t uff

, an d I' m glad to s ee t hat EPA is l ook i ng

2 4 a t th i s s e rio u sly

. I 'm her e to enc o ura g e y o u t o us e all

2 5 y o ur p owe r th a t E P A - - that has ava i lab l e t o pr o tec t the1 7 4

1 e n vir o nme n t.

2 I e nco ur age y ou t o b e st- p erf o rma n ce

3 s t and a rds tha t ar e av ai labl e ou t th e re, eve n if that

4 m e ans che r ry p ick i ng da ta. I'm not aga i nst tha t

. I f

5 t h at i s w h at y ou n eed t o do to f ulf i ll y our mis s ion and

6 t o pr o tec t us her e , t he Ame r ica n pe o ple

. I ' m n o t a

7 s c ien t ist or a n e n gin ee r, b u t, y ou k now

, I k now tha t a

8 d i sca r ded tir e on the s ide o f t h e r o ad i s t r ash and not

9 f u el. Th e re a re o the r ways -- I 've see n ot h er w ays that

1 0 t i res and oth e r t y pe of mat e ria l s c a n b e re c ycl e d i n to

1 1 o t her mor e us e ful mat er ials

, no t ne c ess a ril y ha v e t o be

1 2 b u rne d

. I -- I d o re al ize s ome t hin g ha s to be d one with

1 3 t h em, but the y do n 't ne cess a ril y ha v e t o be bur n ed.

1 4 It has a lway s be e n m y ex p eri e nce tha t the

1 5 E P A d o esn ' t t a ke i nto a ccou n t -

- wh e n t h e d e vel o ping

1 6 s t and a rds

, th e y d o n't t ake i nto acc o unt cos t s, t hat

--

1 7 t h e c o sts tha t ha v e t o be m a de. Ho w eve r , s i nce it h as

1 8 b e en b rou g ht u p c o nsi st entl y th r oug h out the day

, I w ould

1 9 l i ke t o a d d t o th a t d is cuss i on; bir t h d e fec t s, a sth m a,

2 0 b r onc h iti s , h e art att ac ks, c anc e r, p rem a tur e de a th.

2 1 T h ese are som e of the o utco m es o f b e ing exp o sed to t he

2 2 a i r t o xin s th a t h a ve be en p r evi o usl y di s cus s ed, and I

2 3 w o uld lik e to see how m uch t hat cos t s. The r e i s a c ost

2 4 a s soc i ate d wi t h t h at.

2 5 La s t w ee k, I was ask e d t o go vis i t a you n g1 7 5

1 m o the r on the eas t en d who l ive s ne x t t o a s our c e t h at

2 h a s a l rea d y b e en c ite d for r ele a sin g so m e o f th e to x ins

3 p r evi o usl y me n tio n ed. Beca u se I sp o ke S pan i sh, they

4 a s ked me t o g o ta l k t o her a nd t ry t o e x pla i n t o he r why

5 h e r c h ild was bor n wi th hal f a b rai n an d su f fer e d f o r

6 s i x m o nth s an d di e d. I rea l ly d idn ' t h a ve a n a n swe r for

7 t h at.

8 Al l I co uld d o w a s s h are her

-- h er

9 c o nce r n. She was als o -- s h e w a s e x tre m ely ups e t, a nd

1 0 I ' d l i ke t o k n ow h ow mu ch t h at' s wo r th. It was very

1 1 d i ffi c ult spe a kin g wi th her

, he r tr y ing to t ake car e of

1 2 h e r f a mil y , a n d s t ill h avin g tw o ot h er c hil d ren fig u ring

1 3 o u t h o w -

- wh a t s h e w as goi n g t o do liv i ng n ext to

- - to

1 4 t h e s o urc e , a n d i f an yb ody w as g onn a do any t hin g ab o ut

1 5 i t

. I di d n't kno w wh at to t ell her

, bu t it did pro m pt

1 6 m e to com e an d gi v e a f ew c o mme n ts t oda y

.

1 7 On top o f th a t, I 'm a hu g e b e lie v er i n --

1 8 e v ery o ne n eed s a j ob. I do rea l ize the eco n omy

, th a t

1 9 e v ery o ne n eed s to mak e a li v ing

. I ' m a big bel i eve r in

2 0 t h e i n gen u ity of t he Am eric a n b u sin e ssm a n. Usu a lly,

2 1 w h at m ade thi s co u ntr y grea t , a n d I tru l y b e lie v e t h at

2 2 i f yo u se t th a t b a r h ow ever you set it, the y 're goi n g to

2 3 m e et i t, a nd t hey ' re go ing t o m a ke a pr o fit

. T h at i s

2 4 w h at m ake s Am e ric a gr ea t. A nd

- - a n d I ' m s u re t hey ' ll

2 5 b e ab l e t o do it, and

- - an d do it w ell

. A n d e v ery w here1 7 6

1 i t 's b een my e xpe r ien ce , an d re s ear c h h a s s h own

, wh e re

2 t h ere is a go o d e n vir on ment

, th e re' s al w ays a g o od

3 e c ono m y. Bad env i ron me nt, a lwa y s -

- is

-- i s b a d -

- bad

4 e c ono m ics at t he e nd of the day

. I tha n k y o u f o r

5 l i ste n ing to m y c o mme nt s.

6 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. A ny

7 q u est i ons?

8 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

9 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h for

1 0 t a kin g th e ti m e t o co me . A t th i s t i me, we a re o ut o f

1 1 r e gis t ere d sp e ake r s. I s th e re a nyo n e i n th e ro o m w h o

1 2 w i she s to spe a k? I m ea n, w e 'll be h ere unt i l 8 : 00

1 3 o ' clo c k; w e'r e no t go in g an y whe r e, b ut i f -

- if the r e's

1 4 n o on e he r e a t th i s t im e to spe a k, w e'l l re c ess the

1 5 h e ari n g m o men t ari l y u nt il w e ge t a c oup l e m o re p eop l e to

1 6 c o me a nd s pea k

.

1 7 So if yo u're in t he r oom and you wan t to

1 8 s p eak

, pl e ase see the l ady t hat jus t wa l ked out the

1 9 d o or.

2 0 MS

. CR AF T: I ju s t s i gne d up.

2 1 MR

. WA YL AND: Oh

, no

, th a t's fin e

. Y ou

2 2 c a n c o me o n u p

.

2 3 MS

. CR AF T: O kay.

2 4 MR

. WA YL AND: Ou r ne x t s p eak e r w i ll b e

2 5 E l ana Cra f t.1 7 7

1 (S p eak er app r oac h es.)

2 MS

. CR AF T: G ood aft e rno o n. I'm Ela n a

3 C r aft

, he a lth sci e nti st wit h En v iro n men t al D efe n se F und,

4 a nat i ona l no n -pr o fit

, nonp a rti s an o rga n iza t ion that

5 s t riv e s t o us e ma r ket -b ased pri n cip l es t o s o lve som e of

6 o u r t o ugh e st e nvi r onm en tal c hal l eng e s. I'd lik e to

7 t h ank the EPA tod a y f or tak i ng t his ste p to con t rol

8 t o xic air pol l uti o n f ro m ch e mic a l p l ant s , r e fin e rie s

,

9 p a per mil l s a n d o t her i ndus t ria l so u rce s

. T hes e new

1 0 r u les

, te n ye a rs o ver du e, w i ll f ina l ly a ddr e ss m erc u ry

1 1 a n d o t her tox i cs f rom o ver 1 3,0 0 0 l a rge ind u str i al

1 2 b o ile r s; u til i tie s , p et role u m, c hem i cal

, pa p er a nd

1 3 p l ast i c i n dus t ria l fa ci liti e s n a tio n wid e

.

1 4 Th e se in dust r ial boi l ers emi t ab o ut

1 5 1 6 ,00 0 po u nds of m erc ur y an n ual l y. The sec o nd l arg e st

1 6 s o urc e of man

- mad e me rc ury a ir e mis s ion s

. I n w a ter

1 7 b o die s , t h is m erc u ry ca n tr a nsf o rm i nto met h ylm e rcu r y, a

1 8 p o ten t ne u rot o xin tha t bio a ccu m ula t es a nd c omp l ete s to

1 9 h u man exp o sur e th r oug h fish con s ump t ion

. M e rcu r y is

2 0 a s soc i ate d wi t h i m pai re d br a in d eve l opm e nt i n c h ild r en.

2 1 As out li ned i n a n EP A re p ort fro m No v emb e r

2 2 o f 20 0 9, c onc e ntr a tio ns of t oxi c ch e mic a ls i n f i sh

2 3 t i ssu e fr o m l a kes and r eser v oir s ha v e b e en f oun d in

2 4 n e arl y al l 50 U.S

. st at es. As r epo r ted in t he 2 008

2 5 b i ann u al N ati o nal Lis ti ng o f Fi s h A d vis o ry, the pre s ence1 7 8

1 o f th e se t oxi c co m pou nd s in fis h ti s sue hav e le d to fish

2 c o nsu m pti o n a d vis o rie s, and 43 p erc e nt o f o u r n a tio n s's

3 l a kes

, me a nin g th a t p re gnan t wo m en a nd o the r se n sit i ve

4 p o pul a tio n s s h oul d be e spec i all y ca r efu l to lim i t t h eir

5 i n tak e of cer t ain fis h spec i es.

6 Es p eci al ly i m por t ant to u s i s EP A 's

7 d e cis i on t o e l imi n ate t he m a lfu n cti o n e x emp t ion

. We

8 b e lie v e t h at c los i ng th e lo o pho l e m e ans tha t fa c ili t ies

9 w i ll h ave to r un t hei r boil e rs a nd p roc e ss h eat e rs

1 0 r e spo n sib l y. Whi l e w e appl a ud t he E PA' s ro l e f o r m a jor

1 1 s o urc e bo i ler s an d el im inat e th e ma l fun c tio n ex e mpt i on,

1 2 w e be l iev e th a t E P A's d efin i tio n of non

- haz a rdo u s s o lid

1 3 w a ste is w oef u lly neg li gent

. B y de f ini n g i n dus t rial

1 4 w a ste as f uel

, th e pr op osal wil l al l ow a ll b ut a few

1 5 f a cil i tie s to bur n sp en t ch e mic a ls, spe n t s o lve n ts,

1 6 s c rap pla s tic s , i n dus tr ial s lud g es, coa l mi n ing was t e,

1 7 u s ed m oto r oi l , a n d o th er w a ste s an d bo i ler s an d pr o cess

1 8 h e ate r s w i th n o o b lig at ion t o c o ntr o l o r mo n ito r th e ir

1 9 t o xic pol l uti o n, a nd no obl i gat i on t o r e por t the

2 0 i d ent i ty o r q u ali t y o f thei r to x ic e mis s ion s to EPA,

2 1 s t ate per m itt i ng a uth or itie s , o r th e pu b lic

. B u rni n g

2 2 s o lid was t e, s hre d ded t ires

, sc r ap p las t ics

, an d sp e nt

2 3 s o lve n ts c an p rod u ce hi gh l e vel s of tox i c a i r p o llu t ion

2 4 i n clu d ing lea d , m e rcu ry , be n zin e , d i oxi n s a n d

2 5 f o rma l deh y de. Th i s l ea ves m any com m uni t ies at r isk from1 7 9

1 t h e s e ver e ad v ers e he al th e f fec t s t h at e xpo s e -

- th a t

2 e x pos u re t o t o xic emi ss ions can cau s e.

3 Wi t hin t hese com m uni t ies

, ch i ldr e n, t he

4 e l der l y, a nd p eop l e w it h ex i sti n g h e alt h pr o ble m s a r e

5 m o st v uln e rab l e. Cle an ing u p b o ile r s a n d i n cin e rat o rs

6 w i ll s ave tho u san d s o f live s , a n d w e ar e co u nti n g o n EPA

7 t o fo l low thr o ugh wit h stro n g s t and a rds tha t wi l l

8 d e liv e r c l ean e r, h eal th ier a ir t o e v ery com m uni t y.

9 T h ank you for the opp or tuni t y t o co m men t to d ay.

1 0 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h for

1 1 c o min g

. A ny q ues t ion s, guy s ?

1 2 (N o ve rb al r e spo n se.)

1 3 MR

. WA YL AND: Th a nk y ou v ery muc h

. I kn o w

1 4 i t 's a ho t da y to get o utsi d e a n d c o me t o a pub l ic

1 5 h e ari n g. Is t her e an yo ne e l se i n t h e r o om t hat wou l d

1 6 l i ke t o a d dre s s t h e h ea ring ? I f no t , b y my wat c h, I

1 7 t h ink it' s te n af t er th ree; is t hat rig h t, l oca l ti m e,

1 8 m o re o r l e ss? Te n af te r th r ee, is t hat

-- o kay

. W e 're

1 9 g o ing to r ece s s t h e h ea ring unt i l s o meb o dy c ome s to

2 0 s p eak.

2 1 Li k e I s ay, w e w i ll

- - w e 're com m itt e d to

2 2 b e he r e u n til 8:0 0 o' cl ock, and if s ome b ody com e s i n at

2 3 8 : 00 o 'cl o ck, we w ill s tay l ong e r. But so t hat you

2 4 d o n't hav e to sit in he re a n d j u st s tar e at us, I'm

2 5 g o ing to r ece s s t h e h ea ring unt i l w e ge t tw o or thr e e1 8 0

1 m o re p eop l e t h at w ant t o sp e ak, and the n if you don ' t go

2 f a r, w e'l l gr a b y o u a nd bri n g y o u b a ck i n a n d w e 'll

3 r e con v ene the hea r ing

, but f or n ow w e'r e in rec e ss.

4 T h ank you.

5 An d ag ai n, l e t m e re m ind any tha t ca m e

6 l a te. If you hav e wr it ten t est i mon y th a t y o u r e ad f rom,

7 i f yo u 'll mak e su r e t hi s la d y t o my rig h t g e ts a ha r d

8 c o py o f i t , i t 'll mak e sure it' s in the doc k et. Th a nk

9 y o u.

1 0 (R e ces s take n fr o m 3 : 07 t o 5 : 00 p .m.)

1 1 MR

. WA YL AND: Ok a y. We' r e g o ing to

1 2 r e con v ene the hea r ing f or t h e p u rpo s e o f ad j our n ing for

1 3 d i nne r

. S eei n g t h at th ere' s no one reg i ste r ed a t t h is

1 4 t i me t o p a rti c ipa t e i n the h ear i ng. We ' re g oin g to

1 5 a d jou r n f o r 9 0 mi n ute s and g ath e r b a ck h ere at 6 :30 p.m.

1 6 f o r t h e l a st p art of pu blic hea r ing tod a y. Tha n k y o u.

1 7 (R e ces s take n fr o m 5 : 00 p .m. to 6 :34 p.m

. )

1 8 MR

. WA YL AND: Go o d e v eni n g. We' r e h e re

1 9 n o w t o re c onv e ne t he ev enin g se s sio n of thi s pu b lic

2 0 h e ari n g o n th e in d ust ri al b o ile r MA C T a n d t h e d e fin i tion

2 1 o f so l id w ast e

. T he he arin g is now bac k in ses s ion

, but

2 2 s e ein g th a t w e ha v e n o sche d ule d pa r tic i pan t s t o sp e ak

2 3 a t th i s t i me, we' r e g oi ng t o re c ess unt i l f u rth e r

2 4 n o tic e

. T han k yo u

.

2 5 (R e ces s take n fr o m 6 : 35 t o 7 : 44 p .m.)1 8 1

1 MR

. WA YL AND: Th i s c o ncl u des tod a y's

2 h e ari n g o n th e En v iro nm enta l Pr o tec t ion Age n cy' s fo u r

3 r u lem a kin g s. It' s no w 8:00 o'c l ock

, an d we ' re c los i ng

4 t h e h e ari n g h e re H ous to n, T e xas

. T h ank you for your

5 p a rti c ipa t ion and you r comm e nts

. W e ap p rec i ate the time

6 a n d e f for t th a t y o u p ut int o co m ing out to s pea k wi t h us

7 t o day

. T h ank you ver y much

. H a ve a go o d e v eni n g. Safe

8 t r ave l s.

9 (W h ere up on, a t 8 : 00 p .m.

, th e Pu b lic

1 0 He a rin g was a djo u rne d .)

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