IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON

THE STATE OF WASHINGTON,

Respondent,

v.

WENDELL ALLEN WILSON,

Appellant.

No. 84551-9-I

DIVISION ONE

PUBLISHED OPINION

BIRK, J. — Wendell Wilson appeals his criminal conviction for shooting and 

killing Lila Wilson, asserting that during a police interrogation he unequivocally

invoked his right to counsel under Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 86 S. Ct. 

1602, 16 L. Ed. 2d 694 (1966). We conclude he did. Wilson stated, “I’m going to 

have to ask for legal representation”—words that courts have regularly found to 

constitute an unequivocal invocation of Miranda rights. The State argues Wilson’s 

use of those words was not unequivocal, because the context known to the 

questioning officers was that Wilson had already waived Miranda once, he had 

already admitted the shooting to police and others, and his reference to counsel

was building to a question about how long it would take to get a lawyer. We hold 

the context did not confound Wilson’s clear request for a lawyer, his statements in 

the interrogation were required to be suppressed, and the admission of his 

statements at trial was not harmless beyond a reasonable doubt. We reverse 

Wilson’s conviction and remand.
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I

A

Before he made the statements challenged on appeal, Wilson described 

certain facts of the shooting in a series of calls to his ex-wife Gay Horton and 911, 

and then to police officers responding to the scene. 

Horton testified that on June 10, 2019, Wilson and Horton spoke over the 

phone three times. Scene photos showed officers found a handwritten address 

book open to a page showing Horton’s address and phone number. In the first 

phone call, Wilson called Horton and angrily said, “ ‘I’m going to kill Lila.’ ” Lila 

Wilson was Wilson’s adult daughter, and lived in an apartment with Wilson, her 

husband, and her then 14 month old son, S. Because of Wilson’s history of 

arguments with Lila Wilson, Horton did not take the threat seriously and 

responded, “ ‘Okay, what did she do now?’ ” Wilson hung up. Horton called him 

back after about three minutes, and Wilson said, “ ‘I killed Lila. I shot her.’ ” Horton 

testified his demeanor and tone changed during this second call, because he was 

breathing really hard and may have been in shock. Horton could not remember 

where the break was between the second and third calls, but they were very close 

in time and she recalls asking more details about what was going on. At Horton’s 

request, Wilson indicated he would call 911. 

Wilson informed the 911 operator that he needed social services for a baby 

because he “ ‘just killed her—the baby’s mother’ ” using a gun. When the 911 

operator asked why he shot the mother, Wilson stated, “ ‘She’s been given—we’ve 

been having a lot of arguments and today it just finally got totally out of hand.’ ” 
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The argument centered on putting up a baby fence in the kitchen. The 911 audio

ends after approximately six minutes with the arrival of police directing Wilson to 

put his “hands up” and put “the child down.” 

Officer Edward Sagiao responded to Wilson’s 911 call and was one of the 

first officers to come into contact with him. Officer Sagiao’s interactions with Wilson

were partially captured on his patrol car’s dashboard video camera. The first 

minute of the dashcam video captures Officer Sagiao’s instructions, heard at the 

end of the 911 call, to Wilson to put his hands up and the child down, followed by 

officers taking Wilson into custody outside the apartment. A pretrial exhibit of an 

extended version of this video included Officer Sagiao reading Wilson his Miranda

rights. Wilson waived his rights and agreed to speak with the officer. As to time, 

Detective Christopher Edwards testified at the CrR 3.5 hearing that he heard about 

the incident at approximately 5:00 p.m. 

Responding authorities found the gun and, inside the apartment, a 

deceased person later identified as Lila Wilson, who had been shot several times. 

Wilson told Officer Sagiao the location of the gun and described an argument about 

installing a baby gate in the kitchen for S. as the reason he shot her. Wilson stated 

Lila Wilson did not want to hear about his opinion that S. would pull the gate down 

and hurt himself, “then she started to escalate,” she said, “I’m leaving right now. 

I’m [sic] just want to go,” and then she went into the bedroom and slammed the 

door in Wilson’s face. After that, “I went and got my gun, and I shot her,” “several 

times, several places.” When asked if the gun was locked, Wilson responded, “No 

. . . it was up in the closet, way up on the shelf totally out of reach of any children.” 
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Officer Sagiao believed it was Lila Wilson’s room where Wilson retrieved the gun. 

Officer Sagiao testified he believed he asked Wilson if he intended to kill Lila

Wilson and believed Wilson said he did. Officer Sagiao described Wilson’s

demeanor at the scene as “very calm” and “polite.” After approximately 20 

minutes, Officer Sagiao arrested Wilson. The dashcam video continues for 

approximately four more minutes. Another, 13 minute video shows Wilson being 

transported to the police station.

The interrogation video shows Wilson entering an interview room with 

Detective Edwards at 5:43 p.m. In the first minute of the video, Wilson asks for 

confirmation that Detective Edwards is a detective. Within approximately another 

minute, Detective Tracy Jared enters the room. The following exchange took place 

starting at 5:45 p.m. during which Wilson asserts he unequivocally invoked his right 

to counsel:

“DETECTIVE EDWARDS: All right. So no questions. A little bit of 

calmness here which is good. So like I told you, . . . I met you at the 

scene and this is Detective Jared. What we’re here to do is just try 

to get everybody’s input of what happened. Because, we know we 

weren’t there, that sort of thing. But before we do that, I know that 

you were spoken to at the scene by Officer Sagiao. And you were 

already given your Miranda rights; right?

MR. WILSON: Correct.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Okay. Do you remember understanding 

those rights? 

MR. WILSON: Yes.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Okay. . . . [Y]ou’re gonna have to hear 

them again, because I’m going to read them to you again, just to 

make sure you understand them. I’m going to read them slow. If 

you have any questions, just let me know, okay, Wendell? And you’re 

okay if I call you—
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MR. WILSON: Why (cross talk)

[1]—that’s my name. Wendell is my 

name. 

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Yeah. Do you want me to call you Mr. 

Wilson or Wendell? 

MR. WILSON: Whichever you’re comfortable with.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Okay. Okay. Go ahead. 

MR. WILSON: Um . . . I know I can’t afford a lawyer. 

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Okay. 

MR. WILSON: So I’m going to have to ask for legal representation, 

not out of resistance or—or—anything

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Mm-hmm. 

MR. WILSON: But, to get my—I just don’t know where—where you 

stop. Once you start answering questions—

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Understandable.

MR. WILSON: —then a lawyer becomes real—rather—I mean—

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Well, yeah. 

MR. WILSON: It doesn’t, help, is what I’m trying to say. How long 

would it take me to get a lawyer for?

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Well, you won’t have one tonight—

MR. WILSON: Now that’s for sure.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Yeah, but will you have one. I mean, 

you’re guaranteed one, right? 

MR. WILSON: By the law.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Oh, of course. The law will guarantee—

guarantee you one. Whether you can afford one or not—and that’s 

part of the rights that I—I read to you. 

MR. WILSON: Right. 

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: So—I tell you what, let me go ahead and 

read them to refresh your memory. And then, . . . if you decide, then

we’ll decide what to do after that. Okay? 

MR. WILSON: Yeah.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Just so—at least I can say I’ve read them 

to you. 

 

1 The quoted transcript is taken from the court reporter’s transcription of the 

interview being played aloud at the CrR 3.5 hearing. As the trial court judge did, 

the panel has reviewed the video and audio recording of the interview. We 

acknowledge the recording captures nuances in tone and pace a written transcript 

cannot. At the point at which the reporter transcribed “(cross talk),” Wilson seems 

to begin to say something before interrupting that statement to say that his name 

is Wendell. It appears to be in response to Detective Edwards’ asking if he can 

call him Wendell. We observe that just before this, Detective Edwards asked two 

questions in immediate succession—whether Wilson had any questions, and 

whether the detective could call him Wendell. Throughout this exchange, Wilson 

is much more deliberate in his speaking than Detective Edwards’ relatively more 

rapid pace.
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MR. WILSON: Right.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Because I know, it was very hectic at the 

scene and I know it’s very loud and everything going on. All right. 

So Wendell, at this time you have the right to remain silent. Anything 

you say can be used against you in a court of law. You have the 

right at this time to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you 

while you are being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, 

one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning, if you 

wish. You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not 

answer any questions or make any statements. So, do you 

understand each of these rights I’ve explained to you? 

MR. WILSON: Yes, I do.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Okay. And then having these rights in 

mind, do you wish to talk to me now and give me your side of the 

story about what happened?

MR. WILSON: (Pause.) Yes. 

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: You would like to talk to me now? Okay. 

Because—I mean, my job is to get both side—

MR. WILSON: I’m dead meat anyways.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: I’m not going to say that.

MR. WILSON: Well, I’m saying it, so. . .

. . . .

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Well, I mean that’s—all my job is, is to put 

everything together—to then show somebody.

MR. WILSON: Right.

DETECTIVE JARED: We just want to get your side.

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: So you’re willing to talk to us now? 

MR. WILSON: Yeah. 

DETECTIVE EDWARDS: Okay. All right. So can you tell me. . . kind 

of start the day. How did your day start there? What happened?”

(Emphasis added) (some alterations in original). Detective Edwards continued to 

interview Wilson for more than an hour.2 

 

2 The interview by Detective Edwards that was played at trial ended at 

approximately 7:10 p.m. Wilson remained in the interview room and the video 

continued until 10:35 p.m. The video shows that at 8:57 p.m. with a police officer 

in the room, Wilson asked, “At this point, can I still call for a, ask for a lawyer?” 

When the officer in the room deferred the question to other detectives, Wilson says 

again, “I’m just wondering how, when I might get one.”
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B

In the interview, Wilson stated he took hydrocodone twice on the day of the 

incident: once at 11:00 a.m. and again at 3:30 p.m. Wilson described the argument 

that concerned installing a baby gate in the kitchen, which eventually escalated 

with Lila Wilson threatening to move out. The argument took place throughout the 

apartment, and the two were in the master bedroom before Wilson retrieved the 

gun from the adjacent bedroom. Wilson stated the gun was in a closet up on a 

shelf in a gun case. The gun was already loaded, but Wilson did have to charge 

a round into the chamber. Lila Wilson never threatened him. Wilson stated he 

came out of the adjacent bedroom at the same time Lila Wilson came out of the 

master bedroom and the two were about a foot apart. When asked if he intended 

to shoot Lila Wilson when they met, Wilson said, “I said yes earlier and . . . no,” but 

did say he intended to hurt her, though he further stated he intended to “more scare 

her.” Detective Edwards asked Wilson what was his intention for using the gun, 

and Wilson stated, “It comes down to the dominance thing.” Wilson explained it 

showed “who’s got the power” and agreed with Detective Edwards that Wilson’s 

use of the gun showed Lila Wilson that he had the last word. When Wilson shot 

Lila Wilson, she was well into the room because she started backing up, looked 

scared, and put her hands up in a defensive position. Wilson said when he went 

to get the gun, it was out of “rage,” and fear never crossed his mind. 

The State charged Wilson with first degree murder. In a pretrial CrR 3.5 

hearing, Wilson argued his statements “I know I can’t afford a lawyer” and “I’m 

going to have to ask for legal representation” were an unequivocal invocation of 
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his right to counsel. The State agreed Wilson “makes a statement,” but argued 

Wilson then “also . . . continues to bring it out, then asks questions.” The State 

argued Wilson’s inquiry led the detective to have confusion so the detective “solves 

it in the way recommended by the case law,” by repeating the Miranda warning. 

The trial court found “based on the entire context of this, that the statement that 

Mr. Wilson made concerning an attorney was an equivocal statement that required 

. . . Detective Edwards to seek clarification.” The trial court relied on State v. 

Pierce, 169 Wn. App. 533, 544, 280 P.3d 1158 (2012) and cases discussed in 

Pierce that held statements such as “ ‘I’m going to need a lawyer’ ” were

unequivocal invocations when they were made on their own and were not 

“followed by this question about the process.” The trial court ruled Wilson did not 

unequivocally invoke his right to counsel and the interview statements were

admissible. As CrR 3.5(c) requires, the court entered written findings of fact and 

conclusions of law. 

The State played the interview at trial. Wilson presented expert testimony 

discussed more fully below that he lacked the capacity to form premeditated intent 

(which was necessary to convict him of first degree murder) or intent (which was 

necessary to convict him of second degree murder). Wilson’s expert associated 

his opinion with Wilson’s posttraumatic stress disorder from military service, 

among other diagnoses. The State called an expert witness in rebuttal who 

testified that Wilson’s “behavior” suggested he had the ability “to form the requisite 

intent.” The court instructed the jury on first degree murder and on the lesser 

included offenses of second degree murder, first degree manslaughter, and 
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second degree manslaughter. During deliberations, the jury asked for “more 

information about premeditation,” what it meant to “have more than a moment in 

point of time,” and “[h]ow short or long is it?” The jury asked for the DSM-5

3 criteria 

for posttraumatic stress disorder and for the experts’ reports. The court referred 

the jury to the trial evidence and the instructions. The jury convicted Wilson of first 

degree murder. 

C

Whether a defendant in a criminal case “unequivocally invoked” Miranda

rights “is a mixed question of law and fact.” In re Pers. Restraint of Cross, 180 

Wn.2d 664, 680, 327 P.3d 660 (2014), abrogated on other grounds by State v. 

Gregory, 192 Wn.2d 1, 427 P.3d 621 (2018). Under this standard of review, “we 

defer to the trial court’s findings of fact but review its legal conclusions from those 

findings de novo.” Id. at 681 (citing State v. Broadaway, 133 Wn.2d 118, 131, 942 

P.2d 363 (1997)). Wilson challenges the trial court’s conclusion of law 2(f), 

The Defendant’s discussion regarding getting a lawyer with 

Det[ective] Edwards at the police station before his interview was 

equivocal. The Defendant considered his options and waived his 

right to counsel. The Defendant’s waiver of Miranda for the portion 

of the Detective’s interview admitted and published to the jury was 

valid. Det[ective] Edwards sought proper clarification by reading 

Miranda and the Defendant’s waiver of Miranda was proper.

Whether an invocation of Miranda rights is unambiguous is “a bright-line inquiry” 

and is an “objective” one. State v. Piatnitsky, 180 Wn.2d 407, 413, 325 P.3d 167 

(2014). An invocation of Miranda rights “must be sufficiently clear ‘that a 

 

3 AM. PSYCHIATRIC Ass’n, DIAGNOSTIC AND STATISTICAL MANUAL OF MENTAL 

DISORDERS (5th ed. 2013) (DSM-5).
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reasonable police officer in the circumstances would understand the statement to 

be [an invocation of Miranda rights].’ ” Piatnitsky, 180 Wn.2d at 413 (alteration in 

original) (quoting Davis v. United States, 512 U.S. 452, 459, 114 S. Ct. 2350, 129 

L. Ed. 2d 362 (1994)). The question is whether, “[a]s a matter of law,” it was 

reasonable for the detectives to conclude that the right to counsel was not invoked. 

Id. The State agrees that this court therefore reviews de novo whether Wilson’s 

invocation was sufficiently clear. 

Before any custodial interrogation, “a suspect must be informed that ‘ . . . 

he has the right to the presence of an attorney, and that if he cannot afford an 

attorney one will be appointed for him prior to any questioning.’ ” Id. at 412 (quoting 

Miranda, 384 U.S. at 479). “Once warnings have been given, the subsequent 

procedure is clear. . . . If the individual states that he wants an attorney, the 

interrogation must cease until an attorney is present.” Miranda, 384 U.S. at 473-

474. The prohibition on further questioning “is not itself required by the Fifth 

Amendment’s prohibition on coerced confessions,” but is justified by its 

“prophylactic purpose” in safeguarding that Fifth Amendment right. Connecticut v. 

Barrett, 479 U.S. 523, 528, 107 S. Ct. 828, 93 L. Ed. 2d 920 (1987). Washington 

follows Davis’s standard for a suspect to clearly invoke Miranda rights. State v. 

Radcliffe, 164 Wn.2d 900, 907, 194 P.3d 250 (2008).

“[I]f a suspect requests counsel at any time during the interview, he is not 

subject to further questioning until a lawyer has been made available or the 

suspect himself reinitiates conversation.” Davis, 512 U.S. at 458 (citing Edwards 

v. Arizona, 451 U.S. 477, 484-85, 101 S. Ct. 1880, 68 L. Ed. 2d 378 (1981)). But 
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the suspect must articulate his desire to have counsel present sufficiently clearly 

that a reasonable police officer in the circumstances would understand the 

statement to be a request for counsel. Id. at 459. Invoking Miranda requires the 

expression of an objective intent to do so. Piatnitsky, 180 Wn.2d at 412.4 As Davis

summarized these principles, after a knowing and voluntary waiver of Miranda

rights, law enforcement officers may continue questioning until and unless the 

suspect “clearly requests” an attorney. 512 U.S. at 461. If the suspect’s statement 

is “not an unambiguous or unequivocal” request for counsel, the officers have no 

obligation to stop questioning him. Id. at 461-62. 

Ambiguity in a request for counsel may exist in the circumstances leading

up to the request or in nuances inherent in the request itself. Smith v. Illinois, 469 

U.S. 91, 98-100, 105 S. Ct. 490, 83 L. Ed. 2d 488 (1984). But “ ‘[i]nterpretation is 

only required where the defendant’s words, understood as ordinary people would 

understand them, are ambiguous.’ ” State v. Nysta, 168 Wn. App. 30, 42, 275 P.3d 

1162, 1169 (2012) (quoting Barrett, 479 U.S. at 529). “ ‘Using context to transform 

an unambiguous invocation into open-ended ambiguity defies both common sense 

and established Supreme Court law.’ ” Id. (internal quotation marks omitted) 

(quoting Anderson v. Terhune, 516 F.3d 781, 787 (9th Cir. 2008)). Where nothing 

about the request for counsel or the circumstances leading up to the request would 

 

4 Piatnitsky involved the right to remain silent, rather than the right to 

counsel, but Washington courts “draw no distinctions between the invocations of 

different Miranda rights” because “ ‘there is no principled reason to adopt different 

standards for determining when an accused has invoked the Miranda right to 

remain silent and the Miranda right to counsel.’ ” 180 Wn.2d at 413 (quoting 

Berghuis v. Thompkins, 560 U.S. 370, 381, 130 S. Ct. 2250, 176 L. Ed. 2d 1098 

(2010)).
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render it ambiguous, all questioning must cease. Id. Once a sufficiently clear 

invocation is made, “an accused’s postrequest responses to further interrogation 

may not be used to cast retrospective doubt on the clarity of the initial request 

itself.”5 Smith, 469 U.S. at 100.

In arguing the “language and circumstances” of Wilson’s statement were

“not unequivocal,” the State emphasizes that Wilson’s statement was one of 

inquiry. The State argues Wilson “ended his statement with a question about 

timing,” suggesting he was “gathering information and assessing rather than 

 

5 For the first time on appeal, Wilson raises the possibility of a violation of 

CrR 3.1(c)(2), which requires that when a person in custody requests counsel, 

access to counsel by telephone or other means shall be provided “[a]t the earliest 

opportunity.” Wilson refers to Detective Edwards’s statement in answer to Wilson’s 

inquiry about how long it would take to get a lawyer: “Well, you won’t have one 

tonight.” Wilson does not strictly argue the State violated CrR 3.1, but rather 

argues he invoked his right before this statement sufficiently clearly that 

questioning should already have ceased. Thus relying on invocation rather than a 

waiver argument, Wilson also does not argue that an otherwise valid Miranda

waiver was vitiated because Detective Edwards’s statement rendered the Miranda

warnings unclear. Cf. State v. Mayer, 184 Wn.2d 548, 565, 362 P.3d 745 (2015) 

(“Of course, police officers may inform a suspect facing interrogation that 

appointed counsel is not immediately available. But if they tell a suspect that 

appointed counsel is not available until a future point in time, they must also clarify 

that this does not affect the suspect’s right to have counsel present during 

interrogation and his right to remain silent unless and until a lawyer can be 

present.” (emphasis added)); deputy added to Miranda warning that no lawyer 

would be appointed unless defendant was arrested, jailed, and taken to court). We 

appreciate the State’s admonition at oral argument that the record is silent 

concerning the availability of counsel that night, but we are skeptical that at 5:45 

p.m. on a Monday night in June 2019 there would have been no means of 

connecting an indigent homicide suspect with a public defender in metropolitan 

King County. Wash. Ct. of Appeals oral argument, State v. Wilson, No. 84551-9-I 

(Apr. 23, 2024), at 18 min., 36 sec. to 19 min., 39 sec., 

https://tvw.org/video/division-1-court-of-appeals2024041198/?eventID=2024041198; Cf. Pierce, 169 Wn. App. at 539 (“The jail 

procedure when a prisoner requests to speak to an attorney after normal business 

hours is for jail staff at the booking desk to dial the home phone numbers of the 

public defenders for the prisoner.”).
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making a plain assertion.” The State likens the case to State v. Whitaker, in which 

the defendant asked during a custodial interrogation, “ ‘when he could talk to an 

attorney.’ ” 133 Wn. App. 199, 216, 135 P.3d 923 (2006). The questioning agents 

asked Whitaker whether he had an attorney or would need an appointed attorney, 

and Whitaker replied that he was talking about “ ‘when in the process an attorney 

would be appointed’ for him.” Id. We said Whitaker’s question “might have been 

understood as an equivocal invocation of his right to counsel.” Id. at 217. We 

confirmed this in Pierce, explaining “the Whitaker case presents an example of an 

equivocal request.” 169 Wn. App. at 545. Whitaker stands for the proposition that 

a mere inquiry about the process of obtaining counsel, such as Wilson’s question, 

“How long would it take me to get a lawyer?,” is not an unequivocal request for 

counsel. 

In contrast, we agree with the trial court’s reading of Pierce, that a statement 

such as “ ‘I’m gonna need a lawyer’ ” unaccompanied by a context suggesting it is 

an inquiry about process clearly is an unequivocal request for counsel. 169 Wn. 

App. at 545-46. In Pierce, the State did not appear to contend otherwise. We 

focused on whether Pierce’s statement could be viewed as equivocal because it 

was made as the apodosis of a conditional sentence. Id. at 546. Pierce’s full 

statement was, “ ‘If you’re . . . trying to say I’m doing [sic] it I need a lawyer. I’m 

gonna need a lawyer because it wasn’t me.’ ” Id. at 544 (emphasis added)

(alterations in original). The court speculated it might have looked at the situation 

differently if the police had not yet accused Pierce of murder, but they had just 
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accused him when he said this so his statement was not truly conditional in context. 

Id. at 545-46. 

Wilson’s case falls between Whitaker and Pierce. As in Whitaker, Wilson 

posed a question about process by asking how long it would take to get a lawyer. 

But Wilson went clearly farther than the statements in Whitaker by stating he could 

not afford a lawyer, was going to have to ask for legal representation, and 

explaining that this was because if he answered questions without legal advice he 

was at risk of putting himself beyond a lawyer’s help. Court have held statements 

such as these are a clear invocation of Miranda, both in Pierce, and in the 

authorities it discussed. In addition to Pierce’s statement “ ‘I’m gonna need a 

lawyer,’ ” Nysta held it was an unequivocal invocation when a suspect said, “ ‘I 

gotta talk to my lawyer,’ ” 168 Wn. App. at 42, and People v. Cook held it was an 

unequivocal invocation when a suspect said, “ ‘Oh, I guess I am going to need an 

attorney,’ ” 665 P.2d 640, 643 (Colo. App. 1983). Contrary to the State’s argument, 

none of these cases suggested there was ambiguity in these statements because 

the future tense “going to” might refer to some time later than the custodial 

interrogation. We agree with Wilson’s observation at oral argument that he 

grounded his reasoning for asking for counsel in the interrogation by the detective 

that was immediately before him.6

 

6 Wash. Court of Appeals oral argument, State v. Wilson, No. 84551-9-I 

(Apr. 23, 2024), at 11 min., 20 sec. to 11 min., 53 sec., 

https://tvw.org/video/division-1-court-of-appeals2024041198/?eventID=2024041198
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Wilson’s statements are nevertheless a degree less clear than those in 

Pierce, because Wilson made them in a context building to an inquiry about 

process. The question is whether this makes a dispositive difference. We believe 

it does not. Another point Pierce makes clear is that a suspect’s attitude of inquiry 

is not dispositive of whether a request for counsel is unequivocal. Beyond the 

ambiguous “ ‘maybe I should talk to a lawyer,’ ” statements of inquiry have been 

held ambiguous, such as the inquiry in Whitaker and the inquiry “ ‘I can’t afford a 

lawyer but is there any way I can get one?’ ” Pierce, 169 Wn. App. at 546 (citing 

United States v. Lee, 413 F.3d 622, 625-26 (7th Cir. 2005)). But statements of 

inquiry have also been held to be unequivocal invocations, such as “ ‘I have to get 

me a good lawyer, man. Can I make a phone call?’; ‘Can I talk to a lawyer? At 

this point, I think maybe you’re looking at me as a suspect, and I should talk to a 

lawyer. Are you looking at me as a suspect?’ ”; and “ ‘Can I have a lawyer?’ ” Lee, 

413 F.3d at 626 (quoting Lord v. Duckworth, 29 F.3d 1216, 1221 (7th Cir. 1994)). 

Wilson’s statement is analogous to the unequivocal invocation “ ‘I have to get me 

a good lawyer, man. Can I make a phone call?’ ” Wilson builds to a question, 

including through the questioning body language noted by the trial court, but in 

doing so makes an unambiguous statement of having to ask for counsel.

Wilson’s clear statement asking for counsel also was not confounded by his 

hesitancy about process. The State argues Wilson’s statements showed 

equivocation because it appeared he was “mulling the situation over.” The State 

likens this to Piatnitsky, in which Piatnitsky “expressed some hesitation about the 

questioning.” 180 Wn.2d at 414. But nothing indicates Wilson was in a state of 
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mulling about wanting a lawyer. In Piatnitsky, detectives interviewed Piatnitsky

about a shooting, and after about an hour of questioning during which he indicated 

he was willing to give a taped confession, the detectives turned on a tape recorder. 

180 Wn.2d at 409. After a detective asked if he understood he had the right to 

remain silent, Piatnitsky said, “I’m not ready to do this, man” and “I don’t want to 

talk right now, man.” Id. at 410. The detectives advised him of his Miranda rights 

again and he signed a waiver form. Id. The Supreme Court held Piatnitsky

understood he had a right to silence that he was not exercising. Id. at 414. But 

the whole record showed the his hesitation was only about making an audiorecorded statement. Id. The detectives “reasonably concluded that Piatnitsky’s 

statements were a preference for a written statement over a recorded one.” Id. at 

414-15. Wilson was hesitant about whether he should speak to the detectives, 

and was hesitant about a process with which he was unfamiliar. But Wilson’s 

statement about having to ask for counsel expressed no hesitation about a desire 

for proceeding with an attorney over proceeding without one.7

This brings Wilson’s case much more in line with Nysta. We held 

questioning should have ceased during an interview with detectives when Nysta

 

7 The State does not argue that Wilson’s subsequent statement, after 

Detective Edwards continued questioning him and read the Miranda warnings 

again, that he was “ ‘dead meat anyway,’ ” bears on whether Wilson’s original 

statement about having to ask for counsel was unequivocal. The State argues 

only that if Wilson’s original statement was not unequivocal, then the court could 

look to Wilson’s later statement to confirm his view that his guilt was, as the State 

argues, “so obvious that he need not summon a lawyer.” This is a tacit admission 

that the only issue is whether Wilson’s original statement was unequivocal. If it 

was, then detectives were required to cease questioning and our inquiry is at an 

end. Davis, 512 U.S. at 461. If it was not, then none of Wilson’s statements 

amounted to an invocation of his Miranda rights.
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said, “I gotta talk to my lawyer.” 168 Wn. App. at 39-40. A detective continued 

questioning him, asking if he would be willing to take a polygraph and asking about 

a burglary law enforcement was investigating. Id. The State argued Nysta’s

statement about talking to a lawyer was equivocal because he really meant he 

wanted to consult with an attorney before deciding whether to take a polygraph, 

but was still willing to continue the interview without an attorney. Id. at 39-42. We

rejected that reasoning, noting the State failed to cite authority that would support 

giving such an “elaborate contextual interpretation to words as plain as ‘I gotta talk 

to my lawyer.’ ” Id. at 42. Here too, that Wilson wanted a lawyer was clear. This 

is not at odds with a simultaneous desire to cooperate indicated, the State argues, 

by Wilson’s adding he was not asking for counsel “out of resistance.” Contrary to 

the State’s argument, Wilson’s subsequent question was not directed to “when or 

how he might need counsel down the road.” (Emphasis added.) Wilson directed 

his inquiry to when or how he might get counsel down the road. This does not 

contextualize away his clear request to have counsel.

The State also urges us to find context making Wilson’s request for counsel 

ambiguous in the “circumstances leading up” to the interview, consisting chiefly of 

the statements Wilson had already made. Citing no authority, the State argues 

that Wilson’s statement requesting counsel was equivocal because he told his exwife he had shot Lila Wilson, he said the same thing to the 911 operator, he said 

the same thing again to police at the scene, he appeared “calm, rational, articulate, 

and cordial” at the scene, and Detective Edwards “knew all this.” The State 

appears to argue that a true request for counsel was by then unlikely, because 
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Wilson had said so much already. But this reasoning runs counter to Nysta for the 

same reasons discussed above, and counter to Davis itself. The point of the 

objective standard for invoking Miranda rights is to give law enforcement a bright 

line rule that can be applied without requiring questioning to cease merely if “a 

suspect makes a statement that might be a request for an attorney.” Davis, 512 

U.S. at 461. It is not enough to surmise from background circumstances that a 

suspect probably would want counsel, and by the same token surmise from 

circumstances that a suspect probably would not want counsel cannot defeat a 

clear statement that “I’m going to have to ask for legal representation.”8

 

8 Because we conclude Wilson’s statement was an unequivocal invocation 

of his right to have counsel present, it follows that it was not a statement in need 

of clarification. Nysta, 168 Wn. App. at 39, 42 (declining to use context to interpret 

or clarify an unambiguous, plain language statement, “ ‘I gotta talk to my lawyer,’ ” 

that the defendant made to law enforcement). It is true that “when a suspect makes 

an ambiguous or equivocal statement it will often be good police practice for the 

interviewing officers to clarify whether or not he actually wants an attorney.” Davis, 

512 U.S. at 461. We note, however, that the subsequent conversation that 

occurred in this case did not provide clarification equivalent to that shown in the

decisions cited by the State. In Piatnitsky, when the defendant indicated he did 

not want to talk, the detectives clarified precisely, “So you’d rather take a written 

statement, do a written one,” to which Piatnitsky answered, “Yes. I don’t know 

(unintelligible).” 180 Wn.2d at 410. And in Whitaker, when the defendant asked 

about the process of obtaining counsel, the record showed “the agents also told 

Whitaker he could request an attorney ‘at that moment’ ” and “clearly stated that if 

he asked for an attorney all questioning would stop.” 133 Wn. App. at 216. We 

agree that if the detectives here had been faced with an ambiguous request for 

counsel and wished to clarify, it would have been appropriate to do so, but, 

especially coupled with the statement counsel was not available that night, they 

never provided Wilson the same clarity about his immediate right to counsel that 

the questioning agents did in Whitaker. Regardless, Wilson had made clear his 

request to have counsel. 
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Having reviewed de novo Wilson’s statements, their context, and the video 

and audio recording of the interview, we conclude Wilson unequivocally invoked 

his right to counsel. The admission of the interview at trial was error.

II

An error in failing to suppress evidence obtained in violation of Miranda

infringes the defendant’s Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and is 

presumed prejudicial. State v. Spotted Elk, 109 Wn. App. 253, 261, 34 P.3d 906 

(2001) (citing State v. Miller, 131 Wn.2d 78, 90, 929 P.2d 372 (1997)); State v. 

Easter, 130 Wn.2d 228, 242, 922 P.2d 1285 (1996); State v. Caldwell, 94 Wn.2d 

614, 618, 618 P.2d 508 (1980)). “ ‘[C]onstitutional error may be considered 

harmless if we are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that any reasonable trier 

of fact would have reached the same result despite the error.’ ” State v. Scherf, 

192 Wn.2d 350, 370, 429 P.3d 776 (2018) (alteration in original) (quoting State v. 

Thompson, 151 Wn.2d 793, 808, 92 P.3d 228 (2004)). To make this 

determination, the court uses the “ ‘overwhelming untainted evidence’ ” test. Id.

The court considers the untainted evidence admitted at trial to determine if it is so 

overwhelming that it necessarily leads to a finding of guilt. Id. This requires that 

we review the balance of the trial evidence. 

The State agrees the focus at trial was whether Wilson premeditated and 

intended murder, both of which were disputed. A person is guilty of first degree 

murder when with a premeditated intent to cause the death of another person, the 

person causes the death of such person. RCW 9A.32.030(1)(a). “ ‘Premeditation’ 

involves a deliberate formation of and reflection on the intent to take a human life 
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and includes the mental process of thinking beforehand, deliberation, reflection, 

and weighing or reasoning for a period of time, however short.” State v. Aguilar, 

176 Wn. App. 264, 272-73, 308 P.3d 778 (2013). A wide range of proven facts will 

support an inference of premeditation. Id. at 273. 

The State first points to what it calls “important admissions of guilt” by 

Wilson, starting with his statements at the scene. Firefighter and Emergency 

Medical Technician Justin Bodolay testified he examined Wilson at the scene on 

June 10, 2019. Bodolay testified Wilson was alert and oriented as to time, place, 

person, and event. In addition to Wilson’s statements described above to Horton, 

the 911 operator, and officers at the scene, Officer Brett Willet took Wilson to a 

hospital after 10:00 p.m. on the night of the incident to have his blood drawn. At 

the hospital, Wilson said to the officer, “ ‘reality was starting to set in.’ ” About a 

year after the incident, Horton again spoke with Wilson over the phone while he 

was in jail. During the conversation, Horton asked Wilson if Lila Wilson threatening 

to leave with S. caused him to become so angry, and Wilson agreed. Further, 

Horton testified that Lila Wilson and Wilson were hot-tempered and would 

frequently get into verbal arguments, beginning when Lila Wilson first started living 

only with Wilson at around age 17. Lila Wilson later moved in with Wilson again,

along with her husband and S. According to Horton, Wilson “fought depression,” 

and S. made him a much happier person. 

The State next points to statements Wilson made to the State’s expert 

witness, Kenneth Muscatel, PhD. After Wilson called an expert witness who 

testified Wilson lacked the capacity to form intent or a premeditated intent, the 
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State called Dr. Muscatel as a rebuttal witness. Dr. Muscatel is a licensed clinical 

psychologist whose work includes forensic and neuropsychology. Dr. Muscatel 

has experience as an expert witness in posttraumatic stress, anger management, 

and completed evaluations for hundreds of homicide cases. Dr. Muscatel met with 

Wilson three times in person, the first time about two years after Wilson’s arrest. 

Dr. Muscatel reviewed Wilson’s medical records and Wilson’s expert’s assessment 

of those records. 

Dr. Muscatel opined that Wilson had the capacity to form intent and felt 

Wilson’s behavior and statements indicated that he would have had the time and 

ability to premeditate. Dr. Muscatel described his understanding of the day’s 

events: an argument between Wilson and his daughter, the escalation when his 

daughter threatened to move out, potentially moving to Thailand with S. and her 

husband, Lila Wilson slamming the bedroom door in Wilson’s face, Wilson going 

into the other bedroom, Wilson retrieving his gun from its case on a shelf, 

chambering a round, and returning to the bedroom where his daughter was, and 

shooting her repeatedly. Dr. Muscatel concluded Wilson was in a coherent state 

of mind during his 911 call and interviews; he did not appear mentally impaired or 

cloudy. Dr. Muscatel pointed to the following “series of activities” Wilson engaged 

in as evidence that his actions were borne out of anger, not fight or flight: after 

getting the door slammed in his face, Wilson went to another room in the 

apartment, retrieved the gun, and then came back with the gun. Dr. Muscatel said 

this sequence of events “does not suggest a simple act of impulsive rage” and 
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while impairments are “certainly present, they wouldn’t reach the level that you 

could not form requisite intent.” 

The State further argues Wilson’s statements in the interview would have 

been admissible to “impeach” Wilson’s expert witness. Wilson called expert 

Robert Stanulis, PhD, a forensic psychologist and neuropsychologist. Dr. Stanulis 

has experience and training working with patients who had epilepsy seizures. Dr. 

Stanulis met with Wilson in September 2020, April 2021, and September 2021. 

The conversations in these interviews covered several topics, including Wilson’s 

personal history, medical conditions, and the incident. Dr. Stanulis reviewed about 

5,000 pages of medical records, police reports, interview transcripts, and Wilson’s 

statements made to the police. Dr. Stanulis’s report listed 44 different diagnoses. 

The State points to instances in which Dr. Stanulis indicated Wilson had difficulty 

recalling the events of the shooting, and argues that in response “the State would 

have been entitled to show that the defendant’s detailed statements made 

immediately after the crime were more reliable than those made to a hired expert 

preparing for trial because such facts are relevant to his capacity.” 

As to Wilson’s statements relied on by an expert witness, the State 

overlooks that such statements would not have been admissible as substantive 

evidence and would have been subject to an appropriate limiting instruction. State 

v. Caril, 23 Wn. App. 2d 416, 428, 515 P.3d 1036 (2022), review denied, 200 

Wn.2d 1025, 522 P.3d 50 (2023), cert. denied, 144 S. Ct. 125, 217 L. Ed. 2d 39 

(2023). An expert witness is permitted to base an opinion on facts or data that are 

not admissible in evidence if the facts or data are “ ‘of a type reasonably relied 
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upon by experts in the particular field in forming opinions or inferences upon the 

subject.’ ” Id. at 427 (quoting ER 703). An expert’s testimony disclosing 

inadmissible facts or data to explain the expert’s opinion is not proof of them as 

substantive evidence. Id. at 428. This rule would have limited the purposes for 

which the jury could have considered Wilson’s statements to the extent Dr. 

Muscatel relayed them.

As to Dr. Stanulis’s reports about Wilson’s reported memory several months 

after the shooting, we are not convinced the State’s authorities would have justified 

the wholesale playing of the interview as a response. In State v. DeGraw, the 

defendant called an expert witness who testified that at the time of a murder the 

defendant lacked recall of events and confirmed his belief based on the 

defendant’s statements the defendant had had a “prolonged blackout.” 196 W. 

Va. 261, 266, 470 S.E.2d 215 (1996). In rebuttal, the trial court permitted the State 

to introduce statements the defendant had made voluntarily, but before Miranda

warnings, to the effect that the defendant acknowledged how police had learned 

of injuries he had received in the murder and acknowledged his flight from the state 

afterwards. Id. at 267 & n.8. On appeal, the court held that based on the defense 

expert testimony, the defendant’s voluntary statements contradicting his 

representations to his expert could be offered solely for impeachment purposes 

either during the cross-examination of the expert or in rebuttal. Id. at 270.

DeGraw relied on Wilkes v. United States, where before being given 

Miranda warnings the defendant voluntarily told police where he had discarded the 

murder weapon and, albeit without ever saying what “ ‘it’ ” was, said three times 
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“ ‘I did it.’ ” 631 A.2d 880, 882 (D.C. 1993). At trial, the defendant called an expert 

witness who based his diminished capacity opinion in part on the defendant’s 

statement to him that the defendant “lacked any memory of the events surrounding 

the charged offenses.” Id. at 883. The appellate court affirmed admission of the 

defendant’s statements to police, explaining, “We do not think that such a 

defendant should be allowed to lie to the psychiatrist and get away with it when 

there is evidence tending to show that he lied and that the psychiatrist’s diagnosis 

was based on that lie.” Id. at 890 (alteration in original); cf. People v. Edwards, 11 

Cal. App. 5th 759, 763, 217 Cal. Rptr. 3d 782 (2017) (defendant’s statements to 

police and to defense expert were “inconsistent,” raising concerns regarding 

“which version was valid”). 

The State does not point to any reversal by Wilson similar to those by the 

defendants in DeGraw and Wilkes. The State points merely to Dr. Stanulis’s

relaying that Wilson had some diminution in recall months later, but Wilson at no 

time denied all recall or claimed “blackout” after having made incriminating 

statements disproving such a claim as the defendants did in DeGraw and Wilkes. 

And the State emphasizes that its expert Dr. Muscatel in a similar interview was 

able (following the outline of the Detective Edwards interview) to walk through the 

same chronology of events with Wilson. Even if there were some particular 

statement relayed by Dr. Stanulis genuinely contradicted by a particular statement 

Wilson made to Detective Edwards—which the State has not shown—the State is 

far short of demonstrating that “[t]he truth-seeking process would be frustrated” 
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unless it were permitted to respond to Dr. Stanulis’s testimony by playing the same 

nearly hour-long interview that it presented at trial. Wilkes, 631 A.2d at 889.

The State last argues that what it calls the “weakness” in Wilson’s expert’s 

opinions bears on the harmless error analysis. Dr. Stanulis testified Wilson lacked 

the capacity to form intent or a premeditated intent. Dr. Stanulis opined that Wilson 

suffered a seizure on June 10, 2019 and that Wilson suffers from Posttraumatic 

Stress Disorder (PTSD). Wilson took hydrocodone for the first time the day of the 

incident, which made it more likely to have a seizure or changes in the electrical 

activity of the brain. Bodolay at the scene observed dried blood around and inside 

of Wilson’s mouth, though he did not have any concerns about the blood. Dr. 

Stanulis noted the blood found in Wilson’s mouth and his possibly chewed tongue, 

saying this can be an indicator of seizures of which Wilson was not aware. Dr. 

Stanulis believed that Wilson then had postictal confusion impacting his capacity. 

Dr. Stanulis testified that Wilson has complex PTSD due to enduring one 

trauma event after another, including abuse at an early age by his father, joining 

the military during the Vietnam War and experiencing combat-related trauma, and 

the deaths of his sister and one of his children in a motor vehicle collision. Dr. 

Stanulis noted Wilson’s score of 7 out of 10 on an adverse childhood experience 

checklist was “a very, very high level.” Dr. Stanulis described PTSD as influencing 

decision making through reactive instincts as opposed to rational thought. Dr. 

Stanulis opined that one can infer from Wilson’s behavior on June 10, 2019 that 

he was showing symptoms of PTSD: he was feeling highly threatened and so he 
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responded the way he had rehearsed, with a gun for self-defense, which he 

learned from his time in the military. 

Finally, Dr. Stanulis addressed Dr. Muscatel’s report’s reliance on “goaloriented” behavior, such as “walking presumably from one room to the other into 

the bedroom to get the gun and coming back and discharging the gun.” Dr. 

Stanulis testified this behavior did not constitute capacity and end the analysis, 

because “you can have goal-oriented behavior without thinking” and “goal-oriented 

doesn’t equal intent in the law.” Dr. Stanulis disagreed that one can infer the 

premeditated intent or intent just by looking at behavior. The parties thus 

presented conflicting expert testimony on Wilson’s capacity, and it is clear from the 

jury’s questions during deliberations asking for more information on premeditation 

and for copies of the experts’ reports that the testimony was a focus for the jury. 

Dr. Stanulis’s opinions were based on extensive review of Wilson’s medical and 

social history, and were sufficiently robust to make the trial evidence less lopsided 

in the State’s favor than the State portrays on appeal. 

The untainted evidence that remains after excising the Detective Edwards’s

interview with Wilson is Horton’s testimony about Wilson’s phone calls with her, 

Wilson’s 911 call, Wilson’s statements at the scene, and, nonsubstantively, 

Wilson’s statements to Dr. Stanulis and Dr. Muscatel. These sources reflect 

Wilson’s statements to Horton that he was “ ‘going to kill Lila,’ ” “ ‘I killed Lila. I 

shot her,’ ” and Wilson’s agreeing that Lila Wilson threatening to leave with S. is 

what caused him to become so angry; Wilson’s statements to the 911 operator 

that he shot Lila Wilson because “ ‘we’ve been having a lot of arguments and today 
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it just finally got totally out of hand’ ”; Wilson’s statements to Officer Sagiao that 

after they argued about putting up a baby gate, Lila Wilson said, “I’m leaving right 

now. I just want to go,” she slammed her bedroom door in Wilson’s face, he “went 

and got my gun, and I shot her,” the gun was located in a closet “way up on the 

shelf” and not under a lock; and Officer Sagiao’s testimony that he believed it was 

Lila Wilson’s room where Wilson retrieved the gun and believed that he asked 

Wilson if he intended to kill Lila Wilson and believed Wilson said he did. What is 

less apparent from this evidence is over what period of time the argument and 

subsequent shooting occurred, where the argument took place in the apartment, 

where Wilson had to go to retrieve his gun, whether the gun was already loaded 

and charged, and Detective Edwards’s discussion with Wilson about his rage over

Lila Wilson’s threatening to leave with S. and discussion of “dominance” and 

“power.” 

In arguing intent in closing, the State pointed to Wilson’s scene statements 

but then argued that the “facts” corroborated those statements, pointing to the

detailed chronology Detective Edwards established in the interview as 

confirmatory proof. In arguing premeditation, the State again relied on the same 

step-by-step narrative Detective Edwards elicited to argue Wilson’s deliberate 

decisions. At oral argument, the State conceded the interview was its “best 

evidence” to support its theory that Wilson possessed the capacity to premeditate 

and intend to kill Lila Wilson.9 We cannot say beyond a reasonable doubt the jury 

 

9 Wash. Court of Appeals oral argument, State v. Wilson, No. 84551-9-I 

(Apr. 23, 2024), at 27 min., 50 sec. to 28 min., 06 sec. and 28 min., 50 sec. to 29
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would have reached the same verdict in the absence of the Detective Edwards 

interview admitted as substantive evidence.

We therefore reverse the judgment of conviction. In the event of retrial, the 

interview with Detective Edwards must be excluded as substantive evidence under 

Miranda. Our opinion does not foreclose its use for other proper purposes,

including as the basis for expert opinion and impeachment, subject to appropriate 

limiting instructions. In light of our disposition, we do not reach Wilson’s claim of 

error in his statement of additional grounds concerning an alleged violation of his 

right to a jury trial. 

Reversed and remanded.

WE CONCUR:

 

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