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INTERIOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT

LEGISLATION

HEARING

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON

IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED FOURTEENTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

FEBRUARY 11, 2015

Serial No. 114–12

Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary

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C O N T E N T S

FEBRUARY 11, 2015

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OPENING STATEMENTS

The Honorable Trey Gowdy, a Representative in Congress from the State

of South Carolina, and Chairman, Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security .......................................................................................................... 1

The Honorable Zoe Lofgren, a Representative in Congress from the State

of California, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Immigration and

Border Security .................................................................................................... 3

The Honorable Bob Goodlatte, a Representative in Congress from the State

of Virginia, and Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary ................................. 6

The Honorable John Conyers, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the

State of Michigan, and Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary ......... 7

The Honorable Luis V. Gutierrez, a Representative in Congress from the

State of Illinois, and Member, Subcommittee on Immigration and Border

Security ................................................................................................................. 8

WITNESSES

The Honorable Sam S. Page, Sheriff, Rockingham County, NC

Oral Testimony ..................................................................................................... 10

Prepared Statement ............................................................................................. 13

Frank L. Morris, Sr., Member, Board of Directors, Progressives for Immigration Reform

Oral Testimony ..................................................................................................... 21

Prepared Statement ............................................................................................. 23

Walter D. (Dan) Cadman, Senior Fellow, Center for Immigration Studies

Oral Testimony ..................................................................................................... 28

Prepared Statement ............................................................................................. 30

Most Reverend Gerald F. Kicanas, Bishop of Tucson, U.S. Conference of

Catholic Bishops

Oral Testimony ..................................................................................................... 47

Prepared Statement ............................................................................................. 49

LETTERS, STATEMENTS, ETC., SUBMITTED FOR THE HEARING

Material submitted by the Honorable John Conyers, Jr., a Representative

in Congress from the State of Michigan, and Ranking Member, Committee

on the Judiciary ................................................................................................... 72

Material submitted by the Honorable Sheila Jackson Lee, a Representative

in Congress from the State of Texas, and Member, Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security ................................................................................ 89

APPENDIX

MATERIAL SUBMITTED FOR THE HEARING RECORD

List of Submissions from the Honorable Zoe Lofgren, a Representative in

Congress from the State of California, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee

on Immigration and Border Security ................................................................. 119

Material submitted by the Honorable Zoe Lofgren, a Representative in Congress from the State of California, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee

on Immigration and Border Security ................................................................. 120
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Response for the Record from Walter D. (Dan) Cadman, Senior Fellow, Center

for Immigration Studies ...................................................................................... 131

Prepared Statement of Peter Kirsanow, Member, U.S. Commission on Civil

Rights, ................................................................................................................... 135

Prepared Statement of Wade Henderson, President & CEO, The Leadership

Conference on Civil and Human Rights ............................................................. 145

OFFICIAL HEARING RECORD

MATERIAL SUBMITTED FOR THE HEARING RECORD BUT NOT REPRINTED

Submissions for the Record from the Honorable Zoe Lofgren, a Representative in

Congress from the State of California, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee on

Immigration and Border Security. These submissions are available at the Subcommittee and can also be accessed at:

http://docs.house.gov/Committee/Calendar/ByEvent.aspx?EventID=102941.
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INTERIOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT

LEGISLATION

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2015

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SUBCOMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION AND BORDER SECURITY

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

Washington, DC.

The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 1:03 p.m., in room

2141, Rayburn Office Building, the Honorable Trey Gowdy (Chairman of the Subcommittee) presiding.

Present: Representatives Gowdy, Goodlatte, Lofgren, Conyers,

Smith, King, Buck, Ratcliffe, Trott, Jackson Lee, and Guiterrez.

Staff Present: (Majority) Allison Halatei, Parliamentarian & General Counsel; George Fishman, Subcommittee Chief Counsel; Dimple Shah, Counsel; Andrea Loving, Counsel; Graham Owens, Clerk;

and (Minority) Tom Jawetz, Minority Counsel.

Mr. GOWDY. Welcome. The Subcommittee on Immigration and

Border Security will come to order. Without objection, the Chair is

authorized to declare recesses of the Committee at any time.

We welcome everyone; our witnesses and our guests. I would remind our guests that they are indeed guests and disruptions will

be dealt with by removal. With that, I would recognize myself for

an opening statement and then my friend from California for her

opening statement.

The consensus in our country is that the current immigration

system is broken, unworkable and not functioning for the best interests of our fellow citizens, and part of that is the widely held belief among our fellow citizens that our borders are insufficiently secured and frankly border security is much broader than simply a

negotiating item in an ongoing immigration debate.

Border security is part of what defines a sovereign nation; the

ability to control who comes and goes and provide assurances that

national security is indeed the preeminent function of the Federal

Government. But even the most secured of borders will not alleviate the need for further reforms and off repeated statistics bears

mentioning again, which is that around 40 percent of those who are

not in the country lawfully originally entered through lawful

means. Simply put, around 40 percent of the undocumented population were invited here and overstayed their invitation. And, no

fence can be designed or built to deal with the issue of internal se-
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