# Date: January 9, 2015 **Case:** Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Preliminary Analysis Meeting

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## UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY ENERGY CONSERVATION STANDARDS RULEMAKING FOR MISCELLANEOUS CONSUMER REFRIGERATION PRODUCTS PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS MEETING

JANUARY 9, 2015

FORRESTAL BUILDING, ROOM 8E-089 1000 INDEPENDENCE AVENUE, SW WASHINGTON, DCEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## Group Members/Participants 2 3 

## Doug Brookman, Public Solutions 4 

## Joseph Hagerman, Department of Energy, Building 5 

## Technologies Program 6 

## Michael Kido, Department of Energy 7 

## Prithvi S. Acharya, Navigant 8 

## Nicole Buccitelli, Navigant 9 

## Charles Hon, True Manufacturing Co., Inc. 10 

## Stephen B. Leybourn, AHAM 11 

## Jessica M. Lyman, ICF 12 

## Judith Reich, Navigant 13 

## Troy Watson, Navigant 14 

## Detlef Westphalen, Navigant 15 

## Melissa Fiffer, EPA 16 

## Nathan Mouw, Whirlpool 17 

## Hung-Chia Yang, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 18 

## Emily Marchetti, Webinar Manager, DOE 19 

## Steve Rosenstock, Edison Electric Institute 20 

## Scott Young, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. 21 22Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## P R O C E E D I N G S 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Good morning everyone 3 

## welcome. This is the Energy Conservation Standards 4 

## Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration 5 

## Products the preliminary analysis meeting today is 6 

## January 9, 2015 here in the Forrestal Building in 7 

## Washington, D.C. My name is Doug Brookman from 8 

## Public Solutions in Baltimore. We are going to start 9 

## this morning with welcoming remarks from Joe 10 

## Hagerman. 11 

## MR. HAGERMAN: This is Joe Hagerman from 12 

## DOE. I just want to thank everybody for coming to, I 13 

## guess, day two of the MREF test procedure and rule. 14 

## This is the standard portion of the activities. I 15 

## like this rule a lot, I mean we heard from ice man 16 

## yesterday. Charlie told us everything about ice and 17 

## today we are going to talk about standards. So we 18 

## look forward to having a constructive discussion and 19 

## hearing and continue to hear your thoughts on this 20 

## rule so welcome and let's have a good day. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, we will start 22 

## with introductions. Everybody can get used toEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## turning the microphones on and off. I will start to 2 

## my immediate left, name and organizational 3 

## affiliation. 4 

## MR. HON: Charlie Hon, True Manufacturing. 5 

## MR. MOUW: Nathan Mouw, Whirlpool 6 

## Corporation. 7 

## MR. LEYBOURN: Steve Leybourn with 8 

## Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers. 9 

## MR. ACHARYA: Prithvi Acharya with 10 

## Navigant. 11 

## MS. BUCCITELLI: Nicole Buccitelli with 12 

## Navigant. 13 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Detlef Westphalen with 14 

## Navigant. 15 

## MR. WATSON: Troy Watson with Navigant. 16 

## MS. REICH: Judith Reich from Navigant. 17 

## MR.YOUNG: Scott Young, from Lawrence 18 

## Berkeley National Laboratory. 19 

## MS. YANG: Hung-Chia Yang from Lawrence 20 

## Berkeley National Laboratory. 21 

## MR. KIDO: Michael Kido, DOE, Office of 22 

## the General Counsel.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### MS. LYMAN: Jessica Lyman, ICF 2 

### International, in support of the Energy Star Program. 3 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Thanks to all 4 

### of you, I really appreciate you being here. Apologies 5 

### for a little bit of a delayed start we had a few 6 

### technical difficulties here this morning getting 7 

### linked up. All of you received a packet of 8 

### information I hope and this information, the Powerpoint 9 

### slides will be broadcast over the net for those 10 

### of you that are joining us via the web. 11 

### Immediately following this overview I am 12 

### going to do a brief agenda review. Immediately 13 

### following this overview there is an opportunity for 14 

### brief introductory remarks, kind of summary 15 

### statements here at the outset about issues that might 16 

### matter to you. Following that we are going to -- I 17 

### have presentation material and slide content on 18 

### market technology, screening, engineering analyses. 19 

### Following that, markups, energy use and 20 

### lifecycle and payback analyses and then moving on 21 

### directly to shipments and national impact analysis, 22 

### following that, manufacturing impact analysis. WeEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## will take lunch midday, we will probably take a break 2 

## mid-morningish 10:30 or so but lunch midday and 3 

## whenever we get there as appropriate, following 4 

## lunch, notice of proposed rulemaking analysis and the 5 

## next steps and at the end of the day, whenever we 6 

## arrive at that spot, closing remarks, yet another 7 

## opportunity for individuals to comment about issues 8 

## that matter to them. 9 

## I would ask your consideration please 10 

## speak one at a time, please say your name for the 11 

## record each time you speak. There will be a complete 12 

## transcript of this meeting made available. If you 13 

## could share the air time this morning here and keep 14 

## the focus here, if your cell phones are not on silent 15 

## mode already, please do so, and to our participants we 16 

## welcome you. 17 

## The Department of Energy tries hard to 18 

## make these meetings successful to all. Please turn 19 

## your phone on mute, raise your hand to be recognized 20 

## to speak, that's been working recently. We ought to 21 

## be able to hear you in the room if you want to 22 

## participate in this meeting. And an additionalEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## reminder that even if you are participating via the 2 

## web, and perhaps especially if you are participating 3 

## via the web, the Department of Energy really 4 

## appreciates you sending your detailed written 5 

## comments surrounding your concerns. 6 

## If you look at slide 6, there, you see an 7 

## illustration of an issue box. These issue boxes are 8 

## there, DOE puts them in the slide presentation 9 

## material to call out specific issues that they hope 10 

## to receive comment on so if you could be responsive 11 

## to those issue boxes throughout that would be really 12 

## excellent. 13 

## So the way this is laid out here, now is 14 

## an opportunity for anyone that wishes to, to make 15 

## opening statements here -- summary statements here at 16 

## the outset. I'm casting my eyes around the room and 17 

## not seeing any uptake on this so now we are going to 18 

## go directly to the overview regulatory history. 19 

## MR. HAGERMAN: Do we want to see if there 20 

## are any opening comments from anybody on the phone 21 

## possibly? We can unmute the phone participants -- you 22 

## just have to raise your hand. All right so we areEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### not seeing anybody raising their hand on the webinar 2 

### so we are going to move on but as always if you have 3 

### a question or comment please raise your hand and we 4 

### will unmute your phone or type it in and we will get 5 

### to you. 6 

### It's really important that we hear your 7 

### comments and your concerns. That's the nature of 8 

### this whole day so I am going to quickly go over just 9 

### the regulatory history here. If you could advance the 10 

### next slide. 11 

### I covered this a lot yesterday so I am 12 

### going to try to speed through some of this today so 13 

### we can get to the meat of the conversation since we 14 

### are a little bit behind schedule and we have a lot of 15 

### material to cover. So this is the first DOE 16 

### rulemaking effort to consider energy conservation 17 

### standards for what we have called miscellaneous 18 

### residential refrigeration products. 19 

### As everyone knows, EPCA currently covers 20 

### refrigerators, refrigerator-freezers and freezers 21 

### meeting the following criteria: they use AC 22 

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### include a compressor and condenser as an 2 

### integral part of the cabinet assembly. 3 

### So, also current regulations define 4 

### further [that] limit [the] energy conservation standards, 5 

### which 6 

### cover products that can meet the temperatures of 7 

### below 39 degrees Fahrenheit. So if you could advance 8 

### the slide. 9 

### So DOE proposed coverage of these new 10 

### products, miscellaneous residential refrigeration 11 

### products on November 2011. We proposed the coverage 12 

### for refrigeration products that do not incorporate 13 

### compressors on October 2013, coverage proposal. It 14 

### proposed the coverage of the following products under 15 

### a single new product category, which we largely 16 

### discussed yesterday in the test procedure discussion: 17 

### hybrid refrigerators, refrigerator-freezers and 18 

### freezers; cooled cabinets; refrigeration products 19 

### that do not use vapor compression; and ice makers. 20 

### So if we could advance the slide, so DOE 21 

### published the test procedure NOPR and discussed it 22 

### yesterday. The NOPR was published on December 16thEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## and the comment period again I believe that closes 2 

## March 3rd, March 2nd. For this one it's February 3 

## 2nd, but for the test procedures, it's March 2nd, so 4 

## please, we look forward to getting your comments. 5 

## In the NOPR, DOE proposed product 6 

## definitions for the following: hybrid refrigeration 7 

## products, cooled cabinets, non-compressor 8 

## refrigeration products and ice makers. And we 9 

## proposed collectively to define all of these as 10 

## miscellaneous refrigeration products, MREF. We 11 

## should have called it small miscellaneous 12 

## refrigeration products or SMREF's but we are only so 13 

## funny I guess. 14 

## So the next slide is the rulemaking 15 

## timeline. This is the current projected timeline 16 

## with the final rule publication date of summer of 17 

## 2016. So next slide, so today we are going to talk 18 

## about the standard itself and we -- you can use this 19 

## slide, it's a very good slide as our roadmap for the 20 

## day and the roadmap for the standard. And this is 21 

## all the preliminary analysis that we are going to 22 

## talk about today. And you see in our first cut ofEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## this preliminary analysis so we are really looking 2 

## forward to hearing your comments about some of the 3 

## assumptions we made or some of the findings that we 4 

## have been able to produce in this preliminary 5 

## analysis. 6 

## So let's go to the next slide and I'll 7 

## turn it over to Detlef from Navigant who is going to 8 

## start to do the market, technology, screening and 9 

## engineering analysis. 10 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Thanks Joe. Is this on? 11 

## Am I speaking loud enough? As Joe mentioned my name 12 

## is Detlef Westphalen. I'm with Navigant Consulting, 13 

## I'll be presenting on the market and technology 14 

## assessment, the screening analysis and the 15 

## engineering analysis. 16 

## This just repeats the slide that Joe 17 

## showed and shows where the market and technology 18 

## assessment fits in with all the other analyses. It is 19 

## an up-front analysis in which DOE collects 20 

## information regarding the market and the 21 

## manufacturers involved and it feeds into all the 22 

## other analyses.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### The purpose of the market assessment as 2 

### mentioned is to characterize the miscellaneous 3 

### refrigeration product market and understand who the 4 

### manufacturers are, determine the scope of coverage, 5 

### [and] determine appropriate product classes. The method 6 

### used in this part of the analysis is to essentially 7 

### do research, web research, discussion with 8 

### manufacturer representatives, component suppliers, 9 

### obtain shipment data if available to characterize the 10 

### market trends and develop appropriate product classes 11 

### consistent with EPCA criteria. 12 

### There is much more detail in the technical 13 

### support document than we will cover in this 14 

### presentation. People are encouraged to refer to that 15 

### in developing their written comments after the 16 

### meeting. First of all, product types, we had some 17 

### discussion yesterday as part of the test procedure 18 

### meeting about product types. DOE is considering 19 

### energy conservation standards for these four 20 

### different MREF product categories: cooled cabinets, 21 

### hybrid refrigeration products, non-compressor 22 

### refrigerators and ice makers.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## As part of the test procedure rulemaking, 2 

## DOE proposed definitions for each of these products, 3 

## and, as part of the energy conservation standard 4 

## rulemaking, is considering the possibility of 5 

## establishing standards for setting product classes 6 

## within each of these categories in order to set 7 

## appropriate standards for all the different product 8 

## types. 9 

## First of all, we will talk a little bit 10 

## about the different product types and classes that 11 

## DOE is considering. First of all, cooled cabinets. A 12 

## cooled cabinet is a cabinet having a source of 13 

## refrigeration requiring electric energy input only 14 

## and [is] capable of maintaining temperatures either no 15 

## lower than 39 Fahrenheit or in a range down to 37, no 16 

## lower than 37 at least as high as 60 -- and we have 17 

## talked about this a bit yesterday. 18 

## Essentially, these are the types of 19 

## products that I refer to in the market as wine 20 

## chillers or beverage centers, that kind of a product 21 

## in which the compartment temperature is maintained in 22 

## a warmer range, typically 45 to 65 and the test callsEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### for set point at 55. We talked about a lot of that 2 

### yesterday. We also have non-compressor cooled 3 

### cabinets. These are cooled cabinets which do not have a 4 

### vapor compression style refrigeration system. The 5 

### official EPCA terminology is a compressor and condenser 6 

### unit as an integral part of the cabinet assembly. 7 

### Overall, the cooled cabinets are distinct 8 

### from refrigerators in that they cannot achieve safe 9 

### food storage temperatures and it should be noted that 10 

### the definition specifies electric power input but 11 

### does not distinguish between AC and DC power in the 12 

### definition so DC powered cooled cabinets would also 13 

### be considered for coverage. 14 

### Why don't I jump one slide ahead here 15 

### talking about classes for cooled cabinets before I go 16 

### back to the non-compressor refrigerators? At this 17 

### point DOE, is considering just one class for cooled 18 

### cabinets. Potential considerations for class 19 

### distinction would be associated with 20 

### refrigeration system type -- the compressor versus the 21 

### non-compressor. DOE has not identified consumer 22 

### utility differences that would justify separateEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## product classes for these alternative refrigeration 2 

## systems so at this point is not considering that. 3 

## Another potential consideration for class 4 

## distinction is defrost. DOE is not considering 5 

## separate classes based on defrost because nearly all 6 

## of the automatic defrost cooled cabinets on the 7 

## market use off-cycle defrost. There are a very few 8 

## that DOE has identified that use heated defrost, which 9 

## would add to the products' energy use. 10 

## DOE tested one example of this type of a 11 

## product that uses a resistance heater for defrost but 12 

## the defrost contribution was negligible, and due to 13 

## the small market size of this type of a product and 14 

## its very minor contribution to energy use of the 15 

## defrost, DOE is considering not setting separate 16 

## classes for different defrost categories. 17 

## So here we have an issue box with a request 18 

## for comment on the product classes for cooled 19 

## cabinets and whether the single class [approach] is 20 

## appropriate, 21 

## and if not, what other features should be considered 22 

## for class distinction.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### MR. BROOKMAN: Questions and comments 2 

### here? Nothing here and those of you that are online 3 

### please join us if you wish. Do you want to return to 4 

### the definition on 19 or do you think that we -- 5 

### because we haven't covered that yet right? 6 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: We'll go back to page 19 7 

### that's for a different product type. 8 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Oh I see gotcha. 9 

### Additional thoughts here before we move on? Okay. 10 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay coming back to the 11 

### -- 12 

### MR. HAGERMAN: So this is Joe Hagerman. I 13 

### apologize we are just trying to get over some of 14 

### these technical issues and we are making sure that we 15 

### can actually see the webinar folks and if they have a 16 

### question [to ask], be able to address you, so [were] making 17 

### some 18 

### arrangements. 19 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Okay back to Detlef. 20 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: So we had no webinar 21 

### questions on page 20 request for comment. 22 

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### support a single product class for cooled cabinets. 2 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay now back to page 19 3 

### I think that's where I'm at. So this is about 4 

### non-compressor refrigerators. The definition that was 5 

### proposed that we discussed yesterday, this is a 6 

### cabinet that has a source of refrigeration that does 7 

### not include a compressor and condenser unit, and 8 

### requires electric energy input only, and is capable of 9 

### maintaining compartment temperatures of above 32 and 10 

### below 39. The known non-compressor refrigerated 11 

### products known to DOE used either thermoelectric or 12 

### absorption refrigeration -- and this is just a picture 13 

### of the thermoelectric unit in this slide. 14 

### So now maybe we skip to page 21, which 15 

### discusses classes for non-compressor refrigerators. 16 

### So DOE has not identified consumer utility 17 

### differences that would justify separate classes for 18 

### the different refrigeration technology i.e. 19 

### thermoelectric versus absorption. Limited data that DOE 20 

### has available at this point suggests that the 21 

### energy characteristics of these technologies are 22 

### similar.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### DOE has not identified non-compressor 2 

### refrigerator products that use resistance heaters for 3 

### defrost or that have manual defrost. Hence, DOE is not 4 

### considering separate classes for different defrost 5 

### approaches for non-compressor refrigerators, hence, 6 

### DOE is at this point considering just one product 7 

### class for non-compressor refrigerators. 8 

### Next slide -- absorption refrigerators, 9 

### DOE's collected data indicate that only 0.2% of 10 

### homes use absorption refrigerators. According to 11 

### DOE's research, roughly 2/3rds of the absorption 12 

### refrigerator stock is found in hotels. All the models 13 

### designed for hotels generally appear to be 14 

### indistinguishable from residential models and I know 15 

### we talked a little bit yesterday about the potential 16 

### that some of these units may have commercial 17 

### certifications UL or NSF which potentially carry with 18 

### them some feature differences which may be important 19 

### to consider. 20 

### DOE -- as [part of its] preliminary analysis DOE, 21 

### has 22 

### tentatively concluded that all of the refrigeratorsEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### that are used in hotels are otherwise 2 

### indistinguishable in terms of utilities and features. 3 

### So at this point I think it's probably appropriate to 4 

### request comment on the classes for non-compressor 5 

### refrigerators. 6 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Okay comments on the 7 

### classes as portrayed here? 8 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: I think we skipped ahead 9 

### in the slides. 10 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah. Whether it's now or 11 

### in your written comments it's useful to tell the 12 

### Department whether you think they are on the right 13 

### track with this stuff. Okay nothing additional here. 14 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay next slide. So one 15 

### thing in addition to note about non-compressor 16 

### refrigerators and DOE testing, the non-compressor 17 

### refrigerator is tested typically, or unable to achieve 18 

### the target storage temperature of 39 Fahrenheit or 19 

### below when tested in ambient test condition of 90 20 

### Fahrenheit, so DOE has a request for comment here asking 21 

### whether any non-compressor refrigerators exist and 22 

### maintain storage temperatures of 39 Fahrenheit orEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## below in a 90 Fahrenheit ambient and, if not, are the 2 

## technologies capable or are there potential 3 

## alternative non-compressor technologies theoretically 4 

## capable of maintaining these component temperatures? 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 6 

## MR. HON: Absorption technology can be 7 

## done that way. It is done that way with alternate 8 

## fuel systems such as when you see a cabin in the 9 

## woods with a propane tank behind it, absorption 10 

## refrigeration can maintain that and actually maintain 11 

## freezer temperatures but it's a very seldom used 12 

## technology with electricity. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: You don't see many of these 14 

## units meeting the 37 degree threshold, okay Mr. Kido? 15 

## MR. KIDO: Just to clarify Charlie, are 16 

## you saying that it's not possible for these 17 

## electrically-run, non-compressor refrigerators to meet 18 

## those lower temperatures or it's just not that 19 

## common? 20 

## MR. HON: Let me say two things. Number one 21 

## is there is extensive research being done at several 22 

## universities right now on thermoelectrics and someEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## of the preliminary data shows that they are by 2 

## stacking the plates heat cool, heat cool multiples. 3 

## They are getting much better ability to get down to 4 

## the lower temperatures. It is not a commercially 5 

## available product at this time but I have seen the 6 

## research that shows that they can do it. 7 

## So we can definitely -- it could be into 8 

## the refrigerator range, freezer range rate I don't 9 

## know. 10 

## The second thing is absorption systems if 11 

## you put a larger heating element in it you can get 12 

## more out of it. You have to get a good delta T's 13 

## different than what they are running right now by 14 

## keeping the heating element small they reduce energy 15 

## consumption and then you have a limited cycle. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Identify yourself for the 17 

## record. 18 

## MR. HON: Charlie Hon. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Do we have additional 20 

## comments here? Thank you Charlie that was helpful. 21 

## Additional comments here on non-compressor 22 

## refrigerators?Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## Okay we are going to move on. 2 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Next slide. And now we 3 

## move on to hybrid refrigeration products. These are 4 

## products proposed that include hybrid refrigerators, 5 

## hybrid refrigerator-freezers, and hybrid freezers. 6 

## These are products for which at least half of the 7 

## volume includes one or more compartments, a warm 8 

## compartment that either does not get below 39 9 

## Fahrenheit or if it gets below 39 it gets down only 10 

## to 37 and has a wide range up to at least 60. 11 

## The test procedure notice proposed 12 

## definitions for the various types of hybrids -- 13 

## hybrid all refrigerators, hybrid refrigerators, 14 

## hybrid refrigerator-freezers, hybrid freezers and 15 

## hybrid non-compressor refrigerators. It should be 16 

## noted here that a product with cellar compartments 17 

## comprising less than half of the refrigerated 18 

## volume would not be hybrid and would instead be 19 

## considered to be a refrigerator-freezer or a freezer 20 

## subject to the existing standards. 21 

## Next slide -- so DOE is considering 22 

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## that parallel the classes that are in existence for 2 

## the refrigerators, refrigerator-freezers and 3 

## freezers. The sub-bullets under the first bullet 4 

## here show some of the characteristics that 5 

## distinguish these classes, the size of the unit, the 6 

## compartment types and orientation, the freezer 7 

## compartment temperature range, defrost type, whether 8 

## the unit has through the door ice service, and whether 9 

## the unit is built in. 10 

## And in determining the class of a hybrid 11 

## product, the class would be assigned looking at the 12 

## product as if the warm compartment, the cellar 13 

## compartment, were not present. So next slide, the 14 

## next slide lists the four different categories of 15 

## hybrid products according to this paradigm for 16 

## assigning classes the DOE is aware of based on market 17 

## research. These include two standard sized, built-in 18 

## variants, built-in hybrid all refrigerator and a 19 

## built-in hybrid freezer with an internal ice maker, 20 

## and also two compact products -- compact hybrid all 21 

## refrigerator with manual defrost and compact hybrid 22 

## refrigerator with automatic defrost.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## And the first column in this table 2 

## indicates the potential designation -- product class 3 

## designation and you can see that these parallel the 4 

## designations of the conventional refrigerator, 5 

## refrigerator-freezer, and freezer with an additional 6 

## "H" in the front. 7 

## At this point we have a request for 8 

## comment, specifically are there currently hybrid 9 

## refrigeration products on the market for which there 10 

## is no clear selection of the appropriate class based 11 

## on the approach discussed using the existing 12 

## structure, sorry, "classes" for conventional 13 

## refrigerators or refrigerator-freezers and freezers. 14 

## Additionally, DOE requests comment on 15 

## whether there should be separate product classes 16 

## allowed for built-in hybrid refrigeration products. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: So are there products on 18 

## the market for which there is no clear selection that 19 

## corresponds to the appropriate to the listed classes? 20 

## We don't know? Hmmm. 21 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: I should say that DOE 22 

## would also be interested in comments on whether thereEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## are additional hybrid products out there on the 2 

## market that would not be captured by these four 3 

## variants listed in the table above. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Well what's happening in 5 

## this marketplace maybe someone can say is there wild 6 

## variation going on? All kinds of different 7 

## configurations or are these configurations fairly 8 

## standard since they relate to food safety and you 9 

## know, what's happening with this marketplace do we 10 

## know? I guess we don't know, Charlie? 11 

## MR. HON: Charlie Hon, True Manufacturing. 12 

## The big issue in most of these hybrid type units is 13 

## the wine coolers with variable different temperatures 14 

## allowed, whether it be for red wine, white wine or 15 

## segregations thereof and the category is growing 16 

## quickly but there's not a lot of major new 17 

## technologies coming in -- just the same issues whether 18 

## it be beer, wine, white, red. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, do you want to prompt 20 

## any other questions Detlef before we move on? 21 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: No, I think that 22 

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### MR. BROOKMAN: I'd be curious here if 2 

### anybody wants to respond to the question about 3 

### built-in hybrid refrigeration products there should 4 

### be a separate product class for them. Okay then, I 5 6 

### 26 7 8 

### guess we are going to move on. 9 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Next, we will talk about 10 

### ice makers. Yesterday, we talked about the definition 11 

### proposed in the test procedure for ice makers -- a 12 

### consumer product designed to automatically produce 13 

### and harvest ice but excluding any type that achieved 14 

### certification under NCNSF12 2012. Such a product may 15 

### also include a means of storing ice, dispensing ice 16 

### or storing and dispensing ice. 17 

### And it just should be noted that 18 

### refrigerators, refrigerator-freezers and hybrid 19 

### refrigeration products and the like would be excluded 20 

### from the definition of an ice maker. 21 

### Next slide -- product classes for ice makers. 22 

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## temperature and the water connections. First of all, 2 

## cooled storage ice makers, these are ice makers that 3 

## maintain the ice storage bin temperatures below 32 4 

## Fahrenheit and typically produce crescent shaped ice 5 

## similar to the ice produced by the automatic ice 6 

## makers in refrigerator-freezers. 7 

## All of the products DOE is aware of that 8 

## would fit into this category use chilled air both to 9 

## cool the mold and freeze the ice and also to keep the 10 

## ice storage area cold. I know yesterday we talked 11 

## about some other potential variants where there might 12 

## be two sources of cooling, one for the ice production 13 

## and one for the bin but DOE is not aware of any 14 

## products at the moment that fit that category. 15 

## The second category class here is the 16 

## uncooled storage ice makers. These are ice makers 17 

## that do not maintain ice storage bin temperature 18 

## below 32 Fahrenheit. They have a refrigeration 19 

## system that directly cools the mold, if you will, that 20 

## forms the ice. Typically, they run water over the 21 

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## and a portion of that water is then drained at the 2 

## end of the process. Hence, they use more water than is 3 

## actually converted into ice, maybe 1/3 to 2/3's more 4 

## than the ice quantity. 5 

## These ice makers require drain connection 6 

## to remove the melt water that collects in the bin and 7 

## also the water that is removed as part of the ice 8 

## making process. 9 

## A third class that DOE is considering is 10 

## portable ice makers. These are ice makers that do 11 

## not require a connection to a household water supply 12 

## for operation and they are operable using one or more 13 

## onboard reservoirs that must be manually supplied 14 

## with water. They are generally small, 15 

## countertop-type products and the known products have 16 

## uncooled storage and that doesn't mean that they fall 17 

## into the uncooled storage ice maker class. You will 18 

## remember from yesterday that there's a definition for 19 

## uncooled storage ice maker and these portable ice 20 

## makers that DOE is aware of are all uncooled storage 21 

## ice makers and hence, portions of the ice making test 22 

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## uncooled storage features would be followed in 2 

## testing these units. 3 

## So next slide -- actually at this point 4 

## why don't we stop before heading into the technology 5 

## assessment and perhaps request comment on the ice 6 

## maker classes? 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: We received some comments 8 

## yesterday on ice makers, additional comment here 9 

## Nate? 10 

## MR. MOUW: Yeah and first if I might pose 11 

## a question. I see on the definition of ice maker it 12 

## says the proposed definition says such a product may 13 

## also include a means for storing ice but yet the 14 

## product classes don't contemplate a non-stored or an 15 

## ice maker that does not store ice. What -- I guess 16 

## help me put those two together. 17 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, the definition of 18 

## ice maker is part of the test procedure and so DOE is 19 

## not aware of any ice makers that do not store ice as 20 

## well; however, the coverage and the definitions would 21 

## apply to those if they did come on the market. The 22 

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### DOE has conducted has only considered those that 2 

### actually do store ice at this time. 3 

### MR. MOUW: Okay, thank you Detlef and then 4 

### a comment again on yesterday I believe that was 5 

### brought up in the test procedure rulemaking distinction -- 6 

### even within an uncooled storage ice maker, about two 7 

### different technologies for ice which produce a 8 

### different utility for the consumer. One being a -- I 9 

### think the word we used yesterday, there's probably 10 

### various words, but a cascading type which removes 11 

### minerals and produces a very clear ice for the 12 

### consumer and that's what consumers often are looking 13 

### for as well as removing the mineral content from the 14 

### water. 15 

### A different one, and honestly, I'm not 16 

### familiar with the market in this regard, but it's 17 

### certainly possible for somebody to produce an 18 

### uncooled storage ice maker that does not have a 19 

### cascading type and does not have the mineral 20 

### reduction utility that consumers expect often times. 21 

### So perhaps from a class perspective -- again I don't 22 

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### have those two different types of ice makers with two 2 

### very different utilities, even inside one of 3 

### those product classes. 4 

### You know our consumers do expect -- some 5 

### consumers do expect clear ice, which again, is a very 6 

### different utility and a different energy consumption 7 

### to create clear ice than it does to pour ice in a 8 

### trough so it would be water in a trough and let it 9 

### freeze so there's a -- the comment is then to 10 

### summarize there's probably opportunity or a need to 11 

### separate those two. 12 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you. Charlie 13 

### Hon? 14 

### MR. HON: Charlie Hon, True Manufacturing. 15 

### You mentioned that you had not seen any units which 16 

### were basically cooled storage areas with, shall we say, 17 

### crescent mooned ice. 18 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Correct. 19 

### MR. HON: I have seen those, they are not 20 

### very popular because usually it's a high-end market 21 

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## inside the block which heats up and then uses a hot 2 

## gas by-pass to release the ice and push it back out 3 

## and then -- but the block itself actually is still 4 

## always cold. It helps maintain the chill in the 5 

## cabinet so you don't lose your ice as fast. 6 

## So they don't just eject ice when they 7 

## need just cooling. If the ice bin is full, it doesn't 8 

## start ejecting ice but it is still refrigerating so 9 

## it can be done that way. 10 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay, it might be 11 

## beneficial to get some details like product detail so 12 

## that we -- 13 

## MR. HON: I'll see if I can find it. I 14 

## remembered it as shell. 15 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Steve Rosenstock? 16 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, Edison 17 

## Electric Institute. If you discussed this before, 18 

## please forgive me, my delay was unavoidable. You 19 

## proposed an ice maker definition and the first words 20 

## are consumer product designed to . . . . . my 21 

## question is -- aren't the vast overwhelming majority 22 

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### settings? I don't know if there are ice makers 2 

### specifically marketed to the residential market but 3 

### I'm just saying in terms of the actual marketplace in 4 

### the United States, aren't, I'll say, 90+ % of them used 5 

### in commercial, maybe in some industrial settings? 6 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: I can't say that I have 7 

### the numbers off the top of my head but there is a 8 

### considerable residential market and so that's what 9 

### this rulemaking is. 10 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: And Steve Rosenstock, 11 

### EEI. I'll say the commercial market? I'm sorry 12 

### commercial -- I know there's automatic ice makers but 13 

### then you have these tub ice makers that aren't, you 14 

### know, automatic and commercial, is that not part of 15 

### this coverage? 16 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Well commercial ice 17 

### makers would be covered under, you know, the automatic 18 

### commercial ice maker standard. I'm not sure what 19 

### the question was. 20 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. I 21 

### I mean I'm looking at the diagram here and I'm just -- 22 

### I'm used to the big commercial ice makers and then IEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## see the small -- we have one in our office, it's just 2 

## a small, I'll say a small cabinet ice maker, is that 3 

## -- I'll say that small cabinet ice maker that's in 4 

## office buildings is that already covered under the 5 

## automatic commercial ice maker? Because I don't know, 6 

## again, I don't know the capacity or the production 7 

## rate of those. 8 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Well the commercial ice 9 

## makers are covered down to 50 pounds per day ice 10 

## production rate so depending on ice production rate 11 

## it may or may not be covered already. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay Charlie Hon? 13 

## MR. HON: This is Charlie Hon. In this 14 

## same vein this isn't the type that has achieved 15 

## certification under ANSI/NSF12 but not everybody gets 16 

## that. Not everybody gets residential certified 17 

## NSF12, some people just market product without that 18 

## to the residential market. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: So that definition should 20 

## be modified to not include the ANSI/NSF stuff? 21 

## MR. HON: I think we are building another 22 

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## choose to go for NSF12 then therefore they are not 2 

## regulated. 3 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, the exclusion goes 4 

## the other way, the way the definition is worded if 5 

## they did certify it then they would not be covered 6 

## under the residential. 7 

## MR. HON: But, again, we end up with the 8 

## same discussion we had yesterday. 9 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Exactly. 10 

## MR. HON: Using it as an exclusion, so it 11 

## could be either way. 12 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Right. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Charlie help us with 14 

## this. If that's removed is the current definition 15 

## robust? Does it provide adequate coverage? 16 

## MR. HON: I think you capture both ends of 17 

## the possible realm yes. 18 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you. 19 

## Additional comments on this section here before we 20 

## move on? Okay let's move on. 21 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay, now we move into the 22 

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### assessment, I think you are going ahead on the slides 2 

### here, is to characterize the technology status of 3 

### current products and to develop a preliminary list of 4 

### technology options that could be used to improve 5 

### efficiency. And to do this, DOE conducted a literature 6 

### review that [included] manufacturer brochures and spec sheets 7 8 

### for commercially available equipment, looked at 9 

### comments and input from stakeholders and conducted 10 

### testing and reverse engineering of products that are 11 

### available on the market. 12 

### Again, a whole lot of the detail is 13 

### provided in chapter three. The next few slides list 14 

### a lot of the technologies that are described in a 15 

### little bit more detail in chapter three. Next slide, 16 

### this first page lists technologies associated with 17 

### the refrigeration system and then the next slide 18 

### lists technologies associated with the cabinet. 19 

### And some of these technologies are 20 

### applicable to more than one of the different product 21 

### types addressed in the rulemaking and others are 22 

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### the glass doors would not be applicable for ice 2 

### makers. 3 

### Before we take a comment on the technology 4 

### assessment, we might as well consider all of the 5 

### technology- and design option-related questions after 6 

### we have discussed the screening so if you advance the 7 

### slide we are now getting into the screening analysis 8 

### -- next slide -- in which the technologies that 9 

### [DOE] preliminarily identified would be screened according 10 

### to these 4 screening criteria. 11 

### First, technologies are screened that are 12 

### not technologically feasible; they are also screened 13 

### if they are not practical to manufacture or install a 14 

### service, have adverse impacts on product utility or 15 

### availability to consumers or have adverse impacts on 16 

### health or safety. And again, this is described in 17 

### more detail in the TSD. 18 

### The next slide lists the technologies that 19 

### were screened out from the preliminary analysis and 20 

### I'm not going to read all of these in detail but I 21 

### think the next slide then reiterates the point I made 22 

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## suitable to one of the product types and not another. 2 

## And at this point, I think we should probably request 3 

## comment on any of the technology and design option 4 

## related issues such as first of all are there any 5 

## technologies that should be considered in the 6 

## analysis that are not listed yet or are there any 7 

## that were listed that were not screened out that 8 

## should be screened out? 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: So these design options are 10 

## important and those listed on slide 35 technology 11 

## options were not considered for analysis for 12 

## non-compressor refrigerators. We don't have a 13 

## comment box here but we would be -- it would be 14 

## useful to get any additional comments on these 15 

## technologies that were screened out or intended to be 16 

## screened in and Emily can we unmute the phones? 17 

## MS. MARCHETTI: Joanna Mauer has one. 18 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Because we are suspicious 19 

## that the technology is not working correctly here 20 

## this morning so we are going to unmute the phones for 21 

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## Maurer Emily says you have a comment? 2 

## MS. MAUER: Can you hear me? 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes, you are good. 4 

## MS. MAUER: I was just wondering 5 

## regarding the cooled cabinets, Detlef, could you say 6 

## anything about what kind of lighting technology is 7 

## typically found in cooled cabinets today and/or 8 

## typical wattages? 9 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, that varies. A lot 10 

## of the cooled cabinets are moving to LED lighting, 11 

## some of them may still use incandescent lighting. 12 

## MS. MAUER: Okay. 13 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: So it could be as low as 14 

## you know a handful of watts, 3 to 5, it could be more 15 

## like 20. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay Charlie Hon. 17 

## MR. HON: Charlie Hon, True. There are 18 

## also fluorescent lamps involved as well. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. 20 

## MS. MAUER: Thank you. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts on this 22 

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## MR. MOUW: This is Nate Mouw from 2 

## Whirlpool. If I could just pose a question on slide 3 

## 34 which talks about technology which was screened 4 

## out, it's not clear. Is this a list for cooled 5 

## cabinets, hybrid refrigerators, ice makers, is it all 6 

## of the above or is it specific to a product? 7 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: It's more or less all of 8 

## the above although clearly some of these wouldn't 9 

## apply to all of the categories. 10 

## MR. MOUW: Okay, but this is intended to 11 

## include everything including ice makers? 12 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Yeah, and I think the TSD 13 

## might be a little bit more specific in terms of is it 14 

## screened out for one type or another but I think most 15 

## of them are if they are screened out they are 16 

## screened out. 17 

## MR. MOUW: Okay, thank you. 18 

## MR. BROOKMAN: We're about to move on, 19 

## additional comments on this segment? Okay, we are 20 

## going to move on. 21 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay, next slide. So now 22 

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## essentially the engineering analysis develops the 2 

## relationship between different efficiency levels and 3 

## the costs required to attain those levels. The 4 

## methods used for this analysis differed for the 5 

## different product types. For the cooled cabinets and 6 

## non-compressor refrigerators, DOE used a combined 7 

## efficiency-level, design-option and reverse8 

## engineering approach where DOE evaluated certain 9 

## products that are available on the market and 10 

## determined, based on testing, their efficiency level. 11 

## DOE also conducted energy use analysis to 12 

## establish an energy model using the test data to 13 

## validate that energy model. DOE also used that 14 

## energy model to extend the analysis to efficiency 15 

## levels that weren't specifically represented by 16 

## products on the market and then DOE used reverse 17 

## engineering to understand both the parameters that 18 

## affect the energy use as inputs to the energy 19 

## modeling and also parameters regarding the 20 

## construction and fabrication that we used as inputs 21 

## to a manufacturing cost model that then we used to 22 

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## achieving different efficiency levels. 2 

## For ice makers, DOE used an efficiency 3 

## level approach where DOE selected different models 4 

## that were available on the market, conducted tests to 5 

## understand their efficiency level, and then conducted 6 

## reverse engineering that fed into manufacturing cost 7 

## analysis to determine the different costs associated 8 

## with achieving those different levels. 9 

## For hybrid refrigeration products, we get 10 

## into the approach used for this in quite a bit more 11 

## detail later. DOE's considering the 2014 Energy 12 

## Conservation Standard values as you have got the 13 

## numerical values to assign for the standards for the 14 

## hybrid refrigeration products. 15 

## Again, the TSD provides more detail on all 16 

## of these analyses. The analysis that I talked about 17 

## a moment ago focuses on development of the 18 

## manufacturing manufacturer production costs, what 19 

## does it cost the manufacturer to make the product at 20 

## a given efficiency level. Ultimately, for the 21 

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## between what it costs to manufacture to make a 2 

## product and what they are selling the product at and 3 

## it's associated with the manufacturer markup. 4 

## The next slide talks about the methodology 5 

## for developing the manufacturer markups. Those 6 

## markups are listed for the different product types. 7 

## At the top of the slide, we have 1.26 for hybrids and 8 

## vapor compression cooled cabinets, 1.22 for 9 

## non-compressor cooled cabinets and refrigerators and 10 

## 1.23 for ice makers. And these markups were developed 11 

## based on review of publicly available data such as 12 

## SEC 10-K reports. 13 

## So, next slide -- so the methodology for 14 

## the engineering analysis for cooled cabinets and 15 

## non-compressor refrigerators discussed this at a top 16 

## level. On one of the previous slides was a combined 17 

## efficiency-level design-option reverse-engineering 18 

## approach. DOE conducted tests of products at 19 

## different efficiency levels using the proposed test 20 

## procedure. Reverse engineering allowed us to 21 

## understand some of the parameters that affect the 22 

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### also to develop a bill of materials for the manufacturing 2 

### cost model. 3 

### Energy analysis was conducted with 4 

### calibrating to the test data and/or ratings to 5 

### evaluate the efficiency improvements associated with 6 

### specific groups of design options and the energy 7 

### model allowed us to evaluate efficiency levels that 8 

### were not specifically represented by the products on 9 

### the market. 10 

### Manufacturing cost models were assembled 11 

### using component cost data based on multiple 12 

### information sources and also reverse engineering. 13 

### DOE developed cost efficiency curves for the 14 

### non-compressor refrigerators, one curve for 15 

### non-compressor refrigerators and two curves for the 16 

### cooled cabinets -- one for 2 cubic foot 17 

### representative volume and one for a 6 cubic foot 18 

### representative volume. 19 

### So for the cooled cabinets the efficiency 20 

### levels considered are listed on the table. Baseline 21 

### efficiency level was defined by the least efficient 22 

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### represents what we call a CEC equivalent level of 2 

### energy use, this is associated with the CEC standard 3 

### for automatic defrost wine chillers, multiplied by a 4 

### factor of .65. Essentially, that converts to .85 factor 5 

### used in the CEC test procedure to the .55 factor that 6 

### is proposed in -- that we discussed yesterday for the 7 

### DOE test procedure. 8 

### DOE chose to compare the other efficiency 9 

### levels to EL4 so you see the efficiency level 10 

### percentages are represented as a percent of the CEC 11 

### equivalent energy consumption and it's called "CEC 12 

### equivalent" because it's not really the CEC value, its 13 

### CEC equivalent. Note that the lower efficiency 14 

### levels lower than EL4 we used only for the 2-cubic 15 

### foot analysis to represent the thermoelectric 16 

### cooled cabinets. We did not find any 17 

### thermoelectric-cooled cabinets on the market in the 6 cubic 18 

### foot range. 19 

### Next slide -- 20 

### MR. HAGERMAN: I have a question about 21 

### doing that there -- so your note says EL level 0 through 3 22 

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### represented for cooled and electric cabinets, right? 2 

### Does that mean that you found -- did you find any 3 

### thermoelectric-cooled cabinets at 2 feet, 2 cubic 4 

### feet that were at the levels above 3? Did you find 5 

### any at 4 or 5? It's a little bit misleading here, I 6 

### think, one could read that rule differently. 7 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: I would have to say that 8 

### there were not any that we evaluated and 9 

### investigated. That's not to say that there aren't 10 

### any on the market in a 2-cubic foot size. 11 

### MR. HAGERMAN: And then also at levels of 12 

### 0 through 3 did you find any 0 to 3 units that had 13 

### traditional compressors? 14 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: No, and this goes back to 15 

### the discussion we had yesterday that the California 16 

### and Canadian standards essentially represent a North 17 

### American standard and there is good clarity that 18 

### vapor compression products are subject to that and so 19 

### we are not aware of any units -- and I think Charlie was 20 

### mentioning the real potential that there are some 21 

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### standards so, again, I would be interested in hearing 2 

### more about that. 3 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Steve Rosenstock? 4 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, Edison 5 

### Electric Institute. For the thermoelectric-cooled 6 

### cabinets, what's the range of sizes just out of 7 

### curiosity on the marketplace? 8 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Roughly, at a low end of 9 

### l/2 a cubic foot, not much higher than 2-cubic foot. 10 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: So, and 2 cubic feet 11 

### represents, I'll say, the majority of thermoelectric 12 

### sold in the U.S., would you say? 13 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: We don't have shipment 14 

### data that would really say where the -- you know, the 15 

### average point is in terms of size. 16 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Okay, because it seems 17 

### like you are using that going forward as a 18 

### representative unit for the rest of the analysis and 19 

### I just wanted to know in terms of -- for the 20 

### thermoelectric area to the 2-cubic footage, I'll say your 21 

### default size for the rest of the analysis. 22 

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### represents the size where there is overlap between 2 

### vapor compression and thermoelectric. We get into 3 

### some discussion later as to how small can you go with 4 

### vapor compression, right, and certainly, you are 5 

### alluding to a question of how high can you go with 6 

### thermoelectric, but we did the analysis at the 2- 7 

### cubic foot mark. 8 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Thank you. 9 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay, next slide here 10 

### shows the cost efficiency curves for two different 11 

### sizes, the red for the 2-cubic foot and the blue plot 12 

### for the 6-cubic foot and you can see that, clearly, the 13 

### units started at a much better efficiency level for blue 14 

### because thermoelectric technology was not 15 

### considered and then they go up to fairly consistent 16 

### levels at the top with a little bit higher costs for 17 

### the 2-cubic foot due to conversion required 18 

### to vapor compression in order to get 19 

### to the EL4 level. Next slide -- 20 

### MR. HON: This is Charlie Hon. Could we 21 

### go back to the previous slide please? I'm seeing 22 

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### there. This is very uncomfortable for me. 2 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Yeah, I should say these 3 

### are incremental costs and so that there would be -- 4 

### yeah, there should be some, if you were showing actual 5 

### costs, obviously the lines would be above zero, okay. 6 

### MR. HON: So basically you have a 7 

### theoretical baseline and then all incremental 8 

### increases above that? 9 

### MR. HAGERMAN: Exactly, so let's just be 10 

### clear with that. So, your Y-axis there reads "MSP" should 11 

### read "incremental MSP." 12 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: That's correct. 13 

### MR. LEYBOURN: This is Steve Leybourn. On 14 

### the -- I guess the previous slide the factor of .65 15 

### should that be .85? 16 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, that is, the 17 

### .65 is equal to .55 divided by .85. 18 

### MR. LEYBOURN: Thanks okay. 19 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: So page 45 is that 44? 20 

### No, I think you went too far, 43, addresses this 21 

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## products. There may be limited availability of 2 

## compressors with low enough capacity that there may 3 

## be a practical lower limit and volume of cooled 4 

## cabinets, and like a half cubic foot vapor compression 5 

## may not be practical and so even if the compressor -- 6 

## the system is designed to provide low duty cycle, you 7 

## know, it would be anticipated that a certain amount of 8 

## space would be required for the heat exchangers 9 

## potentially and that and [at] a half cubic foot size 10 

## potentially, there may not be 11 

## space for that without having a heat exchanger extend 12 

## off the back, so DOE requests comments and additional 13 

## data on whether vapor compression is infeasible for 14 

## cooled cabinets below a certain size and what would 15 

## that physical size be? 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: No comments here? Okay. 17 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Next slide -- now we 18 

## move on to the analysis for thermoelectric-cooled 19 

## cabinets. The table here shows some of the test data 20 

## obtained for thermoelectric-cooled cabinets and you 21 

## can see that an interesting trend with regard to 22 

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## response to Joe's question about the smallest volume 2 

## unit does meet the CEC equivalent level. However, the 3 

## units near 2 do not by a wide margin. 4 

## And so we have a request for comment here, 5 

## are there additional data available on the 6 

## relationship between volume and efficiency in 7 

## thermoelectric refrigeration products? 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Steve Rosenstock? 9 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock. Yeah, I 10 

## just did some quick calculations. I just did, you 11 

## know, the energy per kind of cubic feet and the first 12 

## one is 222 kilowatt hours per cubic foot per year. 13 

## The second one is in the middle 1.08 as 406 but then 14 

## you get to the big one it is down to 293 so I don't 15 

## know what that really means, it doesn't seem like 16 

## there's any sort of trend between size and 17 

## efficiency. 18 

## Again on a per cubic foot of storage 19 

## spaces. It goes 222, 406, 293 per cubic foot based 20 

## on my calculations so I don't know if there is a 21 

## relationship. 22 

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## points here. 2 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Right. 3 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: And still a request for 4 

## additional data. 5 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Right, but again, just 6 

## looking at this table, Steve Rosenstock, EEI, just 7 

## looking at this table it doesn't seem like there is a 8 

## clear trend just based on these data points. I have 9 

## no idea if there is a relationship between volume 10 

## increasing or decreasing energy efficiency. 11 

## MR. HAGERMAN: This is Joe Hagerman, DOE. 12 

## I don't think this also tells you enough data to even 13 

## make an assumption like you are because it doesn't 14 

## tell you module size, it doesn't tell you 15 

## installation of the -- of a lot of stuff. 16 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Correct, I know these are 17 

## like typical units -- again, I'm looking at the table 18 

## that is being presented and I don't know if the 19 

## technical support document had a lot more data in 20 

## terms of some of those terms of a range, you know any 21 

## sort of a range you know based on size but, you know, 22 

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### if you can based on these I'm not sure, I can't tell. 2 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Yeah, the TSD does not 3 

### have more information. There really isn't much 4 

### publicly-available information using any kind of 5 

### test procedure for these units, the cooled cabinets. 6 

### Some of them, I believe, are listed on the CEC data 7 

### base and/or Canada's data base, but very few. 8 

### MR. BROOKMAN: That's what I was wondering 9 10 

### 53 11 12 

### about the CEC especially -- do you suspect there's data 13 

### out there that you haven't uncovered yet, Detlef? 14 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, I suspect that 15 

### these units are a low-cost commodity product where 16 

### you know the people that might be importing them may 17 

### or may not be focusing a lot on certifying or 18 

### reporting energy use. 19 

### MR. BROOKMAN: So what would be the 20 

### source of that data, if any? 21 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Potentially, the 22 

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## are involved. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: I was wondering if AHAM or 3 

## someone like that has that kind of information. 4 

## MR. LEYBOURN: I'll check. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thanks Steve. 6 

## MR. LEYBOURN: Ask. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you, Charlie? 8 

## MR. HON: The problem 9 

## that we faced when we have looked at these units and 10 

## didn't choose to produce them is that just the 11 

## configuration of your volume dictates your efficiency 12 

## somewhat. The closer you are to the plate, the 13 

## cooler that works. So if you have a large flat plate 14 

## versus a true cube, you would get much more 15 

## efficiency off the large flat plate with a very 16 

## shallow distance away probably because there is no 17 

## natural system to convect the cooler air around, it's 18 

## just the plate is cool and that's all there is. 19 

## MR. HAGERMAN: This is Joe Hagerman, I 20 

## just don't want anybody to expect when you dive into 21 

## the TSD that you are going to get a discourse on 22 

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### because that's not what we do here, it's not a 2 

### research document like that. 3 

### MR. BROOKMAN: But that comment was 4 

### useful, that's descriptive, that's like kind of 5 

### understandable I guess. So any additional thoughts, 6 

### comments or sources for data as listed here in the 7 

### issue box? Okay. 8 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: All right, next slide. 9 

### One of the design options considered in the analysis 10 

### for cooled cabinets was the vacuum insulated panels. 11 

### DOE based its modeling of vacuum insulated panel 12 

### technology in cooled cabinets based on information 13 

### obtained during the 2011 refrigeration product 14 

### rulemaking. Most of that information pertained to 15 

### cooler compartment temperatures [rather] than cooled cabinets 16 17 

### and so DOE requests information, are there any data 18 

### available that would give some kind of indication as 19 

### to the performance of vacuum insulated panels in 20 

### these products. 21 

### MR. HAGERMAN: Joe Hagerman, DOE. Do the 22 

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## products? 2 

## MR. HON: In the small technology -- 3 

## Charlie Hon. In the small technologies we are 4 

## looking at them in the future but the cost is 5 

## prohibitive as an insulation item and the bigger you 6 

## get in large refrigeration units with very large 7 

## evaporator coils or you have a really cold spot being 8 

## developed in the cabinets, they are very valuable 9 

## pieces because you can place them strategically 10 

## around the cabinet and use them as a target 11 

## insulation where you have either like right over the 12 

## top of a compressor so you want to keep the heat from 13 

## the compressor getting into the cabinet, you may put 14 

## a VIP over the evaporator coil -- or it gets very 15 

## cold and you are trying to avoid additional heat 16 

## migration there you will put one, but the cost of them 17 

## is fairly prohibitive and if you are a commodity 18 

## product like some of these smaller units are, these 19 

## thermoelectrics, I don't ever see them being 20 

## viable. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Charlie. 22 

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### are unmuted, please speak. 2 

### MS. MAUER: Detlef, I was wondering whether 3 

### you had tried contacting VIP manufacturers to get 4 

### performance information? 5 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: I don't think we did in 6 

### order to get information for addressing this 7 

### particular issue. 8 

### MS. MAUER: Okay, it seems like it would be 9 

### worthwhile to do that, especially because it seems 10 

### like VIP technology may be changing fairly rapidly, 11 

### that kind of performance and [the] cost of VIP's on the 12 

### market in the 2011 time frame may be different from 13 

### what's on the market today. 14 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Yes, good point. 15 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thanks Joanna. 16 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay, move on to the next 17 

### slide and this is associated with non-compressor 18 

### refrigerators. As you recall during the discussion 19 

### yesterday DOE is proposing that non-compressor 20 

### refrigerators be tested in a 90 Fahrenheit ambient 21 

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### 1 

## within 9 Fahrenheit of the 39 Fahrenheit 2 

## standardized temperature in the test. 3 

## And in the test procedure DOE proposed 4 

## that the measured energy use would be based on the 5 

## product's cold setting in the 90 Fahrenheit ambient 6 

## because this would be most representative of the 7 

## energy use essentially, the product working as hard 8 

## as it could to deal with the additional thermal load 9 

## that it would be expected in a refrigerator that 10 

## traditionally is simulated with the 90 Fahrenheit 11 

## ambient. 12 

## So DOE is considering a standard 13 

## adjustment factor for the standards for 14 

## non-compressor refrigerators that would reduce the 15 

## allowable energy use to compensate for the fact that 16 

## these units in the 90 Fahrenheit ambient are not 17 

## really maintaining the 39 Fahrenheit in the 18 

## compartment and the standard adjustment factor here 19 

## is just a linear adjustment based on the temperature 20 

## difference. 21 

## The next slide I think presents the 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Thoughts on the standard 2 

## that has just been affected? Yes, Steve Rosenstock? 3 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 4 

## Again I'm just kind of curious. Did the adjustment 5 

## factor kind of match the numbers that you found in 6 

## your test that you know the product only cooled down 7 

## to 50 degrees Fahrenheit so you say, okay, when you 8 

## knock it down the adjustment factor would be .784, 9 

## are you finding that the energy consumption in those 10 

## units was about that? You know, .784 times what -- 11 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, the tested products, 12 

## obviously, could not maintain it. 13 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Right. 14 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: We couldn't test 39, you 15 

## know, with those particular products but if we -- 16 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, maybe a 17 

## better way to ask the question is -- is there a way 18 

## to test them at the higher temperature to see if the 19 

## adjustment factor is valid? 20 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, what I was going to 21 

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## that can maintain the 39 looking at, you know, when 2 

## they are tested at the warm setting might be at 45 3 

## when they are tested, you know, the mid-setting might 4 

## be near 39 and look at the trend and this standard 5 

## adjustment based on that limited bit of research is, I 6 

## guess, lenient shall we say, that generally, there 7 

## would be more of an energy impact associated with 8 

## bringing the temperature down to the 39 than a linear 9 

## trend would suggest. 10 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Any other comments on this 11 

## standard adjustment factor? The comment box asks if 12 

## it's appropriate and if not put what the factor 13 

## should be. Do we have thoughts on that or do you 14 

## think what is there is appropriate? 15 

## MR. HON: This is Charlie Hon. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes? 17 

## MR. HON: I'm very uncomfortable without 18 

## any test data to validate any of this. This is 19 

## typical modeling without verification of the model 20 

## and there is a lot of problems right now with the DOE 21 

## on that very topic so unless it's been validated that 22 

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## formula, its an algebraic formula that I don't know 2 

## if [its] valid or invalid. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you, other 4 

## thoughts on this? Okay, we are going to move on. 5 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay, moving on to more 6 

## details on the non-compressor refrigerator 7 

## engineering analysis. As mentioned previously the 8 

## analysis is based on testing, reverse engineering and 9 

## energy modeling. DOE considered design options 10 

## including insulation, pipe cooling of the 11 

## thermoelectric modules hot side and vacuum insulated 12 

## panels. 13 

## The table there identifies several 14 

## efficiency levels that were considered based on the 15 

## analysis and testing and the design option 16 

## descriptions associated with those different levels. 17 

## And the next slide then illustrates four of those 18 

## different levels, the incremental cost adders 19 

## associated with the different design option groups, 20 

## and if there aren't any comments on this next we move 21 

## into the engineering analysis for ice makers. 22 

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### product classes. Based on the reverse engineering 2 

### feeding into manufacturing cost models, DOE 3 

### calculated the incremental costs of the different 4 

### designs and based on that, DOE developed one cost 5 

### efficiency curve for each of the 3 ice maker product 6 

### classes. 7 

### DOE considered max tech levels that 8 

### represent the higher efficiency units observed and 9 

### tested and the next slide -- the next two slides show 10 

### the curves in table form but then the third slide 11 

### shows the plots representing the 3 curves. The green 12 

### curve for the uncooled storage ice makers, the red 13 

### curve for the cooled storage ice makers and then the 14 

### blue curve for the portable ice makers and these 15 

### again are incremental costs. 16 

### I don't know if we want to stop here and get any 17 

### comments on the ice maker analysis. 18 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 19 

### MR. HON: Charlie Hon. Do you [have] any idea of 20 

### the size of each of these units that you are showing 21 

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### smaller than some of the bigger ones, some of the 50 2 

### pound-type units. Were there any differences on 3 

### sizes on these three charts because there is major 4 

### differences in costs involved? 5 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Yeah, the portable units 6 

### are deliverable countertop units, you know, maybe a 7 

### few cubic foot total in outer dimensions, if that. 8 

### The cooled storage and uncooled storage ice makers 9 

### were 15-inch wide under counter units. The ice 10 

### making production for the uncooled storage I don't 11 

### remember the numbers but, you know, they were 12 

### significantly lower than production rates for the -- 13 

### sorry -- the cooled storage ice maker production rates 14 

### were quite a bit lower than the rates for uncooled 15 

### storage. Any other questions on that? 16 

### MR. MOUW: This is Nate Mouw from 17 

### Whirlpool again. With the -- for the same reasons we 18 

### expressed yesterday, we disagree with ice makers being 19 

### included in this rulemaking and we will provide 20 

### commentary on that as well in our written comments. 21 

### But past that -- as we look at these efficiency 22 

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## for most refrigeration products, cost efficiency is 2 

## always a curve and never a line and I think just by 3 

## definition the way we have done these curves, as I 4 

## understand it, please correct me if I am wrong, is we 5 

## have tested two products for each of these and did a 6 

## linear interpretation between the two, am is -- is 7 

## that correct so far? 8 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: That's correct. 9 

## MR. MOUW: Okay, so that you know, number 10 

## one it doesn't give a good representation of the 11 

## products that are on the market. Testing two within 12 

## a product class certainly doesn't represent the 13 

## market well and secondly, creating two points in a 14 

## line is not a good representation of the true costs 15 

## involved with improving the efficiency of a product 16 

## so we are very concerned with a -- having the ice 17 

## makers in this rulemaking but, secondly, the level of 18 

## robustness of this information. 19 

## We don't think it's accurate to the 20 

## realities of improving efficiencies of ice makers. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Nate. 22 

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### Hagerman, DOE, we also heard yesterday that we didn't 2 

### think that -- or some comments were said that you 3 

### didn't think that there was even any efficiency to be 4 

### gained in the ice makers right? 5 

### MR. MOUW: This is Nate from Whirlpool. 6 

### So it wasn't a comment that Whirlpool made and I 7 

### think it was based on a comment that Sriram from 8 

### AHAM made. In having talked to Sriram, I don't think 9 

### -- he didn't correct you yesterday and certainly get 10 

### back with AHAM on that, but I don't think that was 11 

### the intent of his comment. I think the intent of his 12 

### comment had to do with the national landscape of ice 13 

### makers installed in homes and the impact of reducing 14 

### efficiency of that small amount of products that are 15 

### installed. 16 

### MR. HAGERMAN: This chart shows there are 17 

### substantial -- 18 

### MR. MOUW: There could be -- I guess the 19 

### other thing we need to think about is, again, as I 20 

### discussed yesterday, is, you know, if we are considering 21 

### these to be cool or cold storage devices, just as 22 

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## energy consumption to maintain a temperature within a 2 

## compartment changes with the size of that 3 

## compartment. 4 

## MR. HAGERMAN: Sure. 5 

## MR. MOUW: So either you need to say these 6 

## are not storage devices or we need to account for 7 

## that as we think about standards. We can call them 8 

## hybrid storage devices. 9 

## MR. HAGERMAN: Below that we are hybrid. 10 

## So I have another question real quick just for Detlef 11 

## and the Navigant crew there. You talk about a 12 

## baseline here. On the previous two slides, you talk 13 

## about a baseline, and you know the zero axis there is 14 

## a baseline, could you comment to us and use the 15 

## baseline in a previous section that talked about CEC, 16 

## right, but these two separate baselines, I assume, 17 

## because it is two separate products. 18 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: And CEC has nothing to do 19 

## with either ice maker. 20 

## MR. HAGERMAN: I just want to make sure 21 

## that when we say baseline it's not one continuous 22 

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## baseline to a product. 2 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Yeah, I had a follow-up 3 

## question for Nate in regard to just to get some 4 

## clarity and maybe your written comments will have it 5 

## in regard to what your thoughts are in terms of how 6 

## the volume calculation might play into the test 7 

## procedure and the energy conservation standard? 8 

## MR. MOUW: This is Nate from Whirlpool. 9 

## That's a good question. You know if there's a 10 

## desire, we will consider that for written comments. I 11 

## wouldn't want to go on record right now with how to 12 

## do that but just the inherent nature of a cooled 13 

## storage compartment, the energy consumption varies 14 

## with the compartment size and, of course, we account 15 

## for that in refrigerators, freezers, every other 16 

## product that we consider to be a cooled store or cold 17 

## storage device. 18 

## So you can imagine a 15-inch wide ice 19 

## maker versus a 24-inch which may not even exist on 20 

## the market today but certainly if you are keeping a 21 

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## then we need to take that into account, but I am not 2 

## prepared to comment on that today. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie Hon? 4 

## MR. HON: This is Charlie Hon. There are 5 

## several factors involved. Number one is a ratio 6 

## between the surface area of the storage bin and the 7 

## volume of the storage bin. Secondly, the amount of 8 

## doors, seams, anything else that could allow 9 

## penetration of air, whether they are a gasket or a 10 

## non-gasket because most ice machinery is un-gasketed 11 

## because you want air flowing through to help in the 12 

## standardized melt pattern that you require for your 13 

## product quality. 14 

## So there's all kinds of things you can add 15 

## in here depending on what your classification of 16 

## product is because if you would have a cooled ice 17 

## storage area, you would want no air penetration. If 18 

## you have an uncooled ice storage area, you would want 19 

## penetration so you would get partial melt to keep the 20 

## ice fresh. So there are a lot of questions that have 21 

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## product nature and what your customer demands. 2 

## MR. HAGERMAN: Let the record show that 3 

## the ice man just spoke. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Nate you want to follow 5 

## on? 6 

## MR. MOUW: Yes, just one more thing that 7 

## I intended to mention. Naturally, if you have a 8 

## cost-efficiency curve, there's not a curve but a line. 9 

## Of course, the impact on that is the payback period 10 

## doesn't change with the level of efficiency. The 11 

## payback period is -- and I think having read the TSD, 12 

## the TSD reflects that -- that regardless of the 13 

## efficiency level you choose, the payback period is the 14 

## same for the consumer so that just -- it doesn't work 15 

## like that so there has to be a better investigation 16 

## into the true cost efficiency curves for ice makers. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thanks. Were you 18 

## suggesting we take a break now? In this -- 19 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: We have 20 

## about, I don't know, five more refrigeration products 21 

## we don't have much further to go. 22 

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### MR. WESTPHALEN: Okay, next slide. Here we 2 

### get into hybrid refrigeration products, I alluded to 3 

### the consideration of using the 2014 refrigerator, 4 

### refrigerator-freezer and freezer numerical levels as 5 

### the standards for hybrid refrigeration products and 6 

### so we get into some of that discussion here. 7 

### Hybrids are, in conventional refrigeration 8 

### products, in many ways are similar with three key 9 

### exceptions affecting the energy. First of all, one 10 

### of the compartments in the hybrid is a cellar 11 

### compartment, at least half of the volume, which is not 12 

### going to be down at 39 Fahrenheit, would be at 55. 13 

### Second, the doors that provide access to 14 

### the cellar compartment are often made of glass. 15 

### Sometimes, those glass doors in smaller units cover 16 

### also the fresh food compartment. 17 

### Third, the test procedure proposes a usage 18 

### factor of .85 for hybrid products based on the 19 

### different usage patterns expected for hybrid 20 

### products. 21 

### So [on] the next slide, the test procedure also 22 

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### cellar compartments, which, if you look at a 2 

### refrigerator, say, and hybrid refrigerator, it would 3 

### mean that the hybrid refrigerator would have a lower 4 

### adjusted volume and, therefore, if you use the same 5 

### numerical values, same equations, you would have a 6 

### lower standard. 7 

### And so, in considering whether these 2014 8 

### values would be appropriate, DOE expected that some 9 

### of these factors make -- would make that standard 10 

### more stringent for hybrid, some would make it less 11 

### stringent so DOE conducted an analysis. 12 

### The other thing to mention here is that in 13 

### regard to the refrigeration systems -- because the 14 

### hybrid product does have, say, a fresh food compartment 15 

### or if it is a hybrid freezer, a freezer compartment, 16 

### the evaporating temperatures would be similar to 17 

### those of the conventional products, and, clearly, in 18 

### the test, the ambient temperature would be similar. 19 

### So that was the basis -- it sort of lays 20 

### the groundwork of the assessment of whether these 21 

### 2014 numerical standard values would be appropriate. 22 

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## refrigerators that are minimally compliant with the 2 

## 2014 standards compact analysis for one set of 3 

## product types and full-sized for another and 4 

## considered different features, some of these 5 

## different features represent different configurations 6 

## such as percent of cellar compartment. 7 

## Other differences here represent different 8 

## design options, such as different glass door types, 9 

## whether the insulation thickness is one level versus 10 

## another level. 11 

## So next slide -- at a top level, the 12 

## results indicate that the existing hybrid products 13 

## that use glass doors to cover their entire 14 

## refrigerator volume may require the use of more 15 

## efficient glass doors or solid door over the fresh 16 

## food compartment in order to meet these numerical 17 

## values, the 2014 standards. This is using the .69 18 

## adjustment factor for the cellar compartment. 19 

## The table on the next slide shows that 20 

## design options that are fairly common can be used so 21 

## that in order to obtain compliance with these 22 

## numerical values that will be considered for theEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### 1 

## standards for the hybrids and so the tables, for 2 

## instance, in this standard size hybrid's table, you 3 

## will see 50% and 75% as the two percentage cellar 4 

## compartment values considered and then there are 5 

## different variants here in terms of how much of the 6 

## door is solid and how much is glass and then the 7 

## third column indicates the types of design options 8 

## required to be added to a baseline configuration in 9 

## order for a hybrid to meet that standard level. 10 

## I should note here that these reported 11 

## EER's are system EER's operating at what would be 12 

## appropriate for a refrigerator, so a fresh food 13 

## compartment might be operating in the 15 to 20 to 25 14 

## range in terms of evaporating temperature and so 15 

## these aren't directly comparable to the rated 16 

## compressor EER's. 17 

## In general, these compressor -- the 18 

## compressor EER's required to attain these system 19 

## EER's are fairly modest in terms of the compressor 20 

## availability in the market. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Steve Rosenstock? 22 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## Again, I will just say -- I just have a question in 2 

## terms of the hybrids. Were they tested using the -- 3 

## I'll say the standard refrigerator test procedure 4 

## that's used for the non-hybrid refrigerators? 5 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, these were evaluated 6 

## -- DOE did test some hybrids but most of these 7 

## analyses are theoretical and, you know, the assessment 8 

## was conducted you know, consistent with the proposed 9 

## test procedure, which in many ways is similar to the 10 

## existing test procedures for refrigerators and 11 

## refrigerator-freezers. 12 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 13 

## Okay, but I guess my question is -- is there some 14 

## testing data that shows that, you know, when you test 15 

## these hybrids with these features in that testing 16 

## chamber that they will be able to meet the 2014 17 

## refrigerator standard? 18 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: We did not put together 19 

## these configurations and test them in order to 20 

## confirm. 21 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Okay, so okay, thank you. 22 

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## Rosenstock, EEI, yeah, there's the refrigerator 2 

## rulemaking you know, the new standards go into effect 3 

## in September, I believe, and so they are not going to 4 

## -- you know, they have a couple of years before they 5 

## start a new round of rulemaking so it seems like we 6 

## are kind of in a way almost shoe-horning the hybrids 7 

## into that category where, if the test data shows 8 

## separately that they don't meet it, then there could 9 

## be an issue. 10 

## If, for some reason, a manufacturer does 11 

## test a hybrid using the standard refrigerator test 12 

## and all of a sudden it's like oh-oh we are 5% over, 13 

## then even with these options, then there could be an 14 

## issue. 15 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: Yes, clearly, you know, 16 

## it's important, you know, to get the validation to 17 

## eventually you know -- information from manufacturers 18 

## that may have experienced testing some similar 19 

## configurations that the conclusions of these analyses 20 

## are appropriate. 21 

## MR. HAGERMAN: And we should just say that 22 

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## procedure that we discussed yesterday and it's out 2 

## for public comments. I'm calling you out for not 3 

## being here with everybody else. 4 

## MR. WESTPHALEN: And so the next slide 5 

## shows a similar table for compact hybrids and for the 6 

## compact hybrids, an additional configuration was 7 

## considered -- that of the glass covering of both the 8 

## fresh food and the cellar compartment. 9 

## And then the final slide just puts the 10 

## issue up for comment in regard to whether the 11 

## suggested approach for use of the 2014 refrigerator 12 

## freezer standards are appropriate to apply to hybrid 13 

## refrigeration products in the way detailed. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: And also a request for any 15 

## additional data. Comments here? Nothing here -- 16 

## okay, let's take a break, it's five minutes until 11, 17 

## let's take a fifteen minute break which means when we 18 

## return at ten minutes after 11 to resume, please make 19 

## sure you keep your badges visible as you walk around 20 

## the Forrestal Building, the restrooms are on both 21 

## ends of the hall, there's a coffee shop down on the 22 

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## We have gone through more than half of the 2 

## slides in a little less than 2 hours and so if we 3 

## proceed at the same pace, we might succeed in getting 4 

## through all of the material prior to breaking for 5 

## lunch so I'm just suggesting that if we are close at 6 

## 12:30 or something like that we may extend the work 7 

## here of the group and just plug on and give everyone 8 

## a chance to get out of here early. We don't in any 9 

## way wish to diminish the capacity for comment but 10 

## just as a matter of being efficient, that would be 11 

## what I would propose as the plan so that if you need 12 

## a piece of fruit you should get it now, okay. 13 

## So we are breaking and will resume at ten minutes 14 

## after 11. 15 

## (Whereupon a recess was taken at 10:55 16 

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## A F T E R N O O N S E S S I O N 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Let's resume. Welcome 3 

## back, we are going to pick up where we left off. We 4 

## covered a lot of ground already, we've got about 40% 5 

## left to go here so let's pick up with mark-ups 6 

## analysis and you can present up here or from your 7 

## seat, either one. If you do it up here you can 8 

## advance the slides. 9 

## MR. YOUNG: Hello, can everyone hear me ok? 10 

## Okay, my name is Scott Young, I'm from Lawrence 11 

## Berkeley National Laboratory and I will start on the 12 

## sections looking at the mark-ups, energy use, and 13 

## lifecycle cost and payback period analysis. There's 14 

## mark-ups -- so the first one is the mark-ups analysis 15 

## and this is the analysis that aims to convert 16 

## manufacturer selling prices to consumer purchase 17 

## prices. 18 

## In order to do that, DOE has to first 19 

## characterize the product distribution channels for 20 

## the products and for these products, DOE identified 21 

## that the vast majority of products go through a 22 

## channel where manufacturers sell to a retailer andEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### then retailers sell directly to consumers. 2 

### Manufacturer mark-ups are developed in the 3 

### engineering analysis, so for the retailer mark-ups, DOE 4 

### used the annual retail trade survey to estimate the 5 

### mark-ups for the retailer. There are two different 6 

### types of mark-ups that DOE uses, one of them is a 7 

### baseline mark-up and this is the mark-up that is used 8 

### to mark up the prices of baseline products at the 9 

### baseline efficiency level. This includes all of the 10 

### retailers' expenses and their profit. 11 

### In addition, there is also an incremental 12 

### mark-up that is used to mark up the incremental 13 

### prices going from the baseline efficiency level to 14 

### higher efficiency levels and these mark-ups cover 15 

### only the portion of the retail expenses that are 16 

### expected to change with changes in efficiency level. 17 

### So this table outlines all of the average 18 

### mark-ups that were determined. Manufacturer mark-up 19 

### was discussed in [the] engineering section. The retailer 20 

### mark-up was estimated to be 1.36 for baseline and 1.1 21 

### for incremental. Then there's an average sales tax 22 

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### in the LCC section and finally, this is the overall 2 

### average mark-up applied across from manufacturer 3 

### production costs through to consumer purchase price. 4 

### MR. BROOKMAN: When we had this slide 5 

### previously this morning, we didn't get any comments on 6 

### mark-ups. Should there be any, maybe now would be a 7 

### good time to say anything about mark-ups, if you 8 

### think these are reasonable, if you think they are 9 

### kind of in the ballpark, any comments here? No 10 

### comments here. 11 

### MR. YOUNG: All right, thank you. Okay so 12 

### the next section is the energy use analysis. The 13 

### purpose of the energy use analysis is to estimate 14 

### the distribution representative site energy use for 15 

### consumers of these products. Several steps used to 16 

### determine that -- DOE developed the distribution of 17 

### the volumes of these products and usage behaviors of 18 

### these products, determined the distribution of the 19 

### efficiencies that are on the market and estimated 20 

### energy use from laboratory tests and manufacturer 21 

### websites and also field monitoring, [and] combined that to 22 

### get an estimate of field energy use.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### First, I'll deal with cooled cabinets. DOE 2 

### first estimated the capacities of cooled cabinets 3 

### that are used by consumers. DOE used the results of 4 

### a study that used surveys of consumers or people who 5 

### own these products. I will refer to this study in 6 

### future slides as the LBNL Study. As you can see from 7 

### the plot here, from the study DOE estimated the 8 

### distribution of sizes for thermoelectric units as 9 

### well as for vapor compression units. 10 

### As you can see the thermoelectric units 11 

### tend to be smaller than the vapor compression units. 12 

### Next, DOE estimated the distribution of 13 

### efficiencies that are currently on the market. DOE 14 

### used a range of government web sites -- government 15 

### data bases and retailer manufacturer websites as well 16 

### as laboratory and field testing to do this estimate. 17 

### You can see for the vapor compression units, they all 18 

### have a distribution that tops out at the CEC, 100% of 19 

### CEC equivalent and goes lower, whereas the 20 

### thermoelectric units have many models that are at a higher 21 

### efficiency consumption than the CEC equivalent. 22 

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### does anyone have any questions about the cooled 2 

### cabinet energy analysis? Okay, I'll move on to the 3 

### non-compressor refrigerators. For this section, there 4 

### was less information so DOE used a single size, a 1.7 5 

### cubic foot, which is the same as what was used in the 6 

### engineering analysis. And DOE also used the 7 

### laboratory testing to estimate the energy use. 8 

### DOE estimated all thermoelectric units 9 

### are at the baseline efficiency level, EL-O and that 10 

### absorption units are all at the EL-1 level. Yes? 11 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Steven Rosenstock? 12 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 13 

### I'm just -- so you didn't have any shipment data for 14 

### the non-compressor refrigerators thermoelectric and 15 

### you are showing them all at EL-O? 16 

### MR. YOUNG: Yes, that's right. 17 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Aren't there models like 18 

### at EL-l and EL-2? Again, I'm afraid that by doing 19 

### that you are -- there would be a tendency to kind of 20 

### overstate the energy savings if the marketplace, you 21 

### know, if a mix of, like, the cooled cabinets, where there 22 

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## or whatever that using kind of the extreme case will 2 

## tend to, you know, overstate the savings that the 3 

## consumers are going to see. 4 

## MR. YOUNG: Yes, so there were -- DOE did 5 

## test about five units of these and found that there 6 

## was somewhat of a distribution of them but relative 7 

## to -- there wasn't that much of a distribution by 8 

## volume as a volume change, but related to volume 9 

## there wasn't that much of a change and so yeah, there 10 

## could be more of a range put in there but for this -- 11 

## for the initial analysis DOE did not include any. 12 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Okay. 13 

## MR. YOUNG: Any other questions on 14 

## non-compressor refrigerators? Okay, then this brings 15 

## us to our next request for comment. Are additional 16 

## data available on the estimated annual field energy 17 

## use of non-compressor cooled cabinets and 18 

## refrigerators, both thermoelectric models and 19 

## absorption models? This is one area where there is 20 

## much less data, much less information than for vapor 21 

## compression units. 22 

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## the laboratory testing from the engineering analysis 2 

## to estimate the energy use for the ice makers. 3 

## Similar to the engineering analysis, DOE assumed an 4 

## ice production rate of 4 pounds per day. DOE assumed 5 

## that cooled and uncooled units were in constant use, 6 

## while the portable units were in use 50% of the time. 7 

## DOE assumed that 50% of the market share would be 8 

## at EL-0 and 50% of the market share would be at the 9 

## max available EL. Yes? 10 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 11 

## With the assumption that these are residential 12 

## products, correct? That they are in constant use, 13 

## meaning that they are producing ice 24 hours a day, 14 

## seven days a week or that they are -- I guess I'm a 15 

## little, just trying to understand when you say an ice 16 

## maker in constant use. Once it fills up the bin it 17 

## is not going to make any more ice until people take 18 

## out a lot of the ice out of the bin. 19 

## MR. YOUNG: Yeah. 20 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: And I'm just -- when you 21 

## say constant use what kind of a -- I'll say how often 22 

## is the ice maker on in that "constant use" type ofEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### scenario? 2 

### MR. YOUNG: Sure yeah, so as outlined for 3 

### the test procedure the assumption is that the 4 

### consumers withdraw about 4 pounds of ice per day and 5 

### that the ice is -- but the ice bin maintains a full 6 

### bin throughout the day and so, therefore, the ice maker would 7 8 

### replenish that 4 pounds of ice as well as replenish 9 

### any other ice that melted in the bin, if it was an 10 

### uncooled unit during that time. 11 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Thanks, Steve Rosenstock, 12 

### EEI. Just give me a sense, I know there's different 13 

### size ice. How many ice cubes is 4 pounds a day just 14 

### out of curiosity? 15 

### MR. BROOKMAN: It depends on the size of 16 

### the -- 17 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: I know it depends on the 18 

### size and density of the ice cube but I'll say for the 19 

### average ice maker that we are talking about here is 20 

### that 20 cubes, 40 cubes, 60 cubes, I just kind of [want to] 21 

### get 22 

### a sense, I'm just thinking about my own home use so.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### MR. YOUNG: Yeah, yeah, you know that's a 2 

### good question. I guess I'm not completely sure 3 

### either. Detlef do you have any better idea? 4 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: I'm going to guess on 5 

### the order of 50, 60. 6 

### MR. BROOKMAN: 4 pounds ought to be about 7 

### -- 8 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: That's a lot of ice, 9 

### Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 10 

### MR. BROOKMAN: That much ice. 11 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: I don't drink that much 12 

### ice in a week myself, and again a big family could 13 

### but that's -- 14 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: Well, Steve let me ask, do you 15 

### have a residential ice maker in your home? 16 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: In my freezer, it's not a 17 

### stand-alone one, absolutely not, the one in my 18 

### freezer. 19 

### MR. WESTPHALEN: If you were the kind of 20 

### person that did use a lot of ice, you would probably 21 

### get one of these units, a unit. 22 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Or I'd just leave theEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## freezer thing on to make more ice as I needed it but 2 

## okay, I was kind of curious just to get a sense of how 3 

## much ice are we talking about here in a residential 4 

## setting. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Steve, you are revealing 6 

## that you are not a party-hound. 7 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Not at home, just 8 

## kidding. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Nate you are next. 10 

## MR. MOUW: No, I was just going to -- to 11 

## respond to the comment about you know whether or not 12 

## somebody owns an ice maker correlates to the amount 13 

## of ice they make. I don't think we have seen data 14 

## that suggests that and I personally don't believe 15 

## that just as a matter of opinion. 16 

## You know, a lot of the consumers that have 17 

## these types of products, some have them to be 18 

## hospitable for parties and other events, to provide a 19 

## large quantity of ice for specific occasions 20 

## throughout the year not necessarily because they are 21 

## you know, they are responsible with their health and 22 

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## So just for the record, I 2 

## don't know that there has been data shown and that 3 

## suggests that somebody that uses and buys an ice 4 

## maker, stand-alone ice maker, uses more ice than the 5 

## average consumer. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Interesting. You would 7 

## think manufacturers would have this scoped out. 8 

## MR. HAGERMAN: The question is, do those 9 

## people that have ice makers that have parties, on 10 

## average, if you take the amount of ice they consume in 11 

## the party phase of their time, does it average out to 12 

## 4 pounds right? 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie Hon? 14 

## MR. HAGERMAN: You see the problem right? 15 

## MR. HON: We have done a few market 16 

## studies and had them done but the biggest consumer is 17 

## by anyone that has a pool outside, it really is. 18 

## MR. BROOKMAN: I'd say we move on, okay, 19 

## we have explored this one, keep going. 20 

## MR. YOUNG: Yes, so actually, we can go 21 

## straight to our request for comment, maybe we have 22 

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### on energy consumption and market shares of ice 2 

### makers? In particular, we assumed a market share split 3 

### using just the two representative models so, and we 4 

### added it. As you are mentioning, do we know whether 5 

### people who are using [ice makers] largely for parties do they 6 

### just 7 

### turn them on the week before the party and then turn 8 

### them off, or do they keep them on all the time. 9 

### MR. BROOKMAN: One of our members present 10 

### is nodding his head up and down saying yes they leave 11 

### them turned on all the time, okay. 12 

### MR. YOUNG: So for hybrid products, DOE 13 

### reviewed manufacturer websites to determine the 14 

### capacities and energy use of hybrid products that are 15 

### on the market and DOE identified hybrid products from 16 

### 4 different product classes that are on the market 17 

### already as identified in the engineering analysis. 18 

### The table shown outlines the different 19 

### product classes that were identified, the average 20 

### kilowatt hours per year that was identified from 21 

### manufacturer websites and how that relates to the 22 

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### freezer standard. 2 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 3 

### That's the 2014 refrigerator-freezer standard, so you 4 

### are just doing the equation for the hybrids as if it 5 

### was a refrigerator in that class, whether you are 6 

### talking about a freezer or whatever, okay, thank you. 7 

### MR. YOUNG: So that's the end of the 8 

### energy use analysis. Are there any additional 9 

### questions on the energy use analysis? 10 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 11 

### Going back to the last slide, I'm sorry. 12 

### MR. YOUNG: Sure. 13 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: What this slide is 14 

### showing is that the hybrids, at least the first 3 15 

### classes that they that, again, I'll say the standard 16 

### design, that they would have to reduce their usage by 17 

### that 54 or 43 or 42% to meet the refrigerator 18 

### standard? Is that what the slide is saying for those 19 

### classes? Okay, because I know there was a slide 20 

### before. Well do we just apply the refrigerator 21 

### standards to the hybrid and, again, I know there are a 22 

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## know, can you get there with those other design 2 

## options. I don't know. 3 

## You showed all the other design options 4 

## for the hybrid in terms of the gaskets and the doors 5 

## and everything, it's like, well, this again this might 6 

## say they might not be able to do it and they might 7 

## need a separate category -- I hate to do this, they 8 

## might need a separate category, a separate product 9 

## category. 10 

## MR. YOUNG: I think this identifies that 11 

## there could be models out on the market currently 12 

## that do not meet the standard. 13 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: And again, Steve 14 

## Rosenstock, EEI, I don't know if this was typical or 15 

## was this an outlier again, it always depends on the 16 

## range, I'm just trying to get a, you know, when I look 17 

## at the data it's like, okay, this is typical, then 18 

## it's any time it's significant. If this is the 19 

## outlier on the high side then, okay, then maybe there 20 

## is a chance, so again I'm just trying to interpret 21 

## the table to make sure on the numbers -- I'm 22 

## interpreting the numbers correctly, you know.Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## MR. YOUNG: Okay. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts here 3 

## before we move on? Okay. 4 

## MR. YOUNG: Okay, the next part I will go 5 

## into will be the lifecycle cost and payback period 6 

## analysis. This is the part that brings together the 7 

## energy use part as well as the pricing and the 8 

## engineering analysis components from previous 9 

## analyses. The overall purpose of the LCC or 10 

## lifecycle costs and payback period or PBP analysis is 11 

## to provide an economic evaluation of potential 12 

## standard levels from an end user's perspective. 13 

## A lifecycle cost is the total cost to a 14 

## consumer over the lifetime of the product, from 15 

## purchasing the product through to the end of the 16 

## product lifetime. 17 

## The payback period is the time required 18 

## for a consumer to recoup the additional cost of 19 

## higher efficiency levels through reduced operating 20 

## costs. 21 

## There are several steps taken to create 22 

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## or a group of 10,000 sample purchasers, or sample 2 

## consumers. The second is to determine the total 3 

## installed cost for each EL. Next is to determine the 4 

## operating costs for the first year and the lifetime of 5 

## the product. 6 

## Next is to calculate the payback period by 7 

## dividing the increases in the installed cost for 8 

## each EL, by the average decrease in the first year 9 

## operating cost. 10 

## And the next is to calculate the LCC by 11 

## adding the installed cost to the total lifetime cost 12 

## and then to calculate the LCC savings by subtracting 13 

## the LCC for each EL by the LCC of the EL that would 14 

## have been purchased in the absence of the standard. 15 

## So the first component is to determine the 16 

## purchaser's sample and so DOE developed samples from 17 

## respondents to the LBNL Study referred to earlier. 18 

## DOE also estimated that the portions of purchases of 19 

## cooled cabinets and the non-compressor refrigerators 20 

## for each of the product types. 21 

## So for cooled cabinets, DOE estimated that 22 

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## thermoelectric. For non-compressor refrigerators, 2 

## DOE estimated that 90.5% would be thermoelectric 3 

## and 9.5% would be absorption. 4 

## Next was determining the total installed 5 

## cost and so DOE estimated the baseline purchase price 6 

## based upon the purchase price reported by respondents 7 

## in the LBNL Study. DOE used a constant price trend 8 

## to transform the reported baseline prices as well as 9 

## the incremental prices from 2012 or 2013 dollars up 10 

## to 2021, the value in the expected year of any 11 

## potential standard. 12 

## Sales tax was determined by geographic 13 

## location for each of the purchasers. And then 14 

## installation costs were also estimated from the LBNL 15 

## Study but installation costs were assumed to not 16 

## change with efficiency level. 17 

## Next are the operating costs -- so DOE got 18 

## the annual energy consumption from the energy use 19 

## analysis. Energy prices were estimated from data 20 

## based on EIA, Energy Information Administration or 21 

## Agency. Repair and maintenance costs were estimated 22 

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## also assumed to not vary with efficiency level and 2 

## DOE used a set of discount rates to discount the 3 

## operating costs back to the year of purchase and they 4 

## used the distribution of operating rates of typically 5 

## for the asset and debt-classes that were typically 6 

## used for purchasing appliances such as stocks, mutual 7 

## funds, savings accounts, bonds and loans. 8 

## Finally, DOE estimated the lifetime for 9 

## products. So for cooled cabinets and non-compressor 10 

## refrigerators, DOE fit the survival probability 11 

## function to the age distribution reported in the LBNL 12 

## Study. For other products DOE estimated that the 13 

## lifetime would be similar to refrigeration products 14 

## to other similar refrigeration products as reported 15 

## in the 2011 final rule for refrigerator-freezers. So 16 

## these show all the estimated mean values of 17 

## lifetimes. 18 

## And finally, DOE estimated the base case 19 

## distribution of EL's as we use the EL's that 20 

## consumers would purchase if there were no standard 21 

## distribution of those and these are based upon the -- 22 

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## in energy use analysis. 2 

## So that's the end of the inputs to the LCC 3 

## and so are there any questions about the inputs 4 

## before I go into the results of the LCC analysis? 5 

## Okay, I'll move on. So the results from the LCC 6 

## analysis -- we don't have all the results in the 7 

## presentation because there are many tables but I do 8 

## have the results from one particular product class 9 

## and I can go through and identify what is in there 10 

## and if people have questions about what is in there 11 

## and how to interpret it then I can explain. 12 

## You can see the rest of the results in the 13 

## TSD. So first are the tables for each product class 14 

## are results based upon the assumption that all of the 15 

## sampled consumers purchased the same EL's so this 16 

## goes to a set of columns first about the LCC, 17 

## including the installed cost, the first year 18 

## operating cost, the lifetime operating cost and the 19 

## total LCC, yes? 20 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 21 

## Again, I was going back to your shipment data that you 22 

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## an approximate market share of about 6% based on your, 2 

## I'll say, your shipment data and your data bases. 3 

## MR. YOUNG: Yes. 4 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: So this is really kind of 5 

## the -- I'll say the worst case efficiency scenario 6 

## where it's only about 6% of consumers are going to 7 

## see this. All of the other consumers are going to be 8 

## like at EL-2 or EL-3 or I think you said before the 9 

## de-facto standard right now is EL-4 because of the 10 

## California Energy Commission standard so the numbers 11 

## on the far right columns except for the lifetime, 12 

## those well -- the payback especially will change 13 

## quite dramatically as you go down the EL's, as you go 14 

## through your analysis, that the weighted average, the 15 

## final numbers in the proposed rule are going to be 16 

## quite a bit different because they are not all going 17 

## to use EL-0 as a baseline right? 18 

## MR. YOUNG: Yes, so the overall idea is 19 

## that, in this case, this is calculated as we take all 20 

## the sample consumers and we assume that they all buy 21 

## EL-0 or they all buy EL-1, they all buy EL-2 and 22 

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### that case and that's not -- that isn't the actual -- 2 

### what would actually happen in the market but that is 3 

### just showing them so that you can see all of these 4 

### values on a standard level playing field. Does that 5 

### make sense? 6 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI, 7 

### yeah, that makes a lot of sense but, again, I guess for 8 

### the final analysis that, you know, I'll say EL-2, 3 or 9 

### 4 is really more of a true baseline to do the energy 10 

### savings and the economic analysis that is really 11 

### going to the savings -- the reason I mention is that 12 

### the savings are going to be quite dramatically a bit 13 

### lower if you started, especially like at EL-4 14 

### compared to EL-1 or 0. I mean it's strikingly 15 

### dramatic. 16 

### MR. YOUNG: Yeah, and actually, that's a 17 

### very good point and I think if you just hold on to it 18 

### until the next slide, it will really come clear after 19 

### that. So yeah, so we go through that, the LCC 20 

### components and then there's the simple payback period 21 

### and that's placed relative to the average lifetime so 22 

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### the lifetime. 2 

### So the next slide comes into I think what 3 

### Steve was mentioning here is that this talks about 4 

### the actual LCC savings that might occur in the market 5 

### so we have a column of the percentage of consumers 6 

### that have experienced a net cost and the average 7 

### lifecycle cost savings and these are calculated using 8 

### those base case distributions that you alluded to 9 

### that we talked about earlier -- identifying what DOE's 10 

### best estimate of where people would purchase their 11 

### products in the future or in the absence of a 12 

### standard and then placing [a] standard at each of 13 

### these given EL levels and then assuming that anyone 14 

### who is at an EL level that is lower than the 15 

### candidate level for a standard would move up to the 16 

### level of the standard. 17 

### So in that case, say, that there were people 18 

### -- a standard was placed at EL-2, then in that case, 19 

### any of the people who would have purchased EL-0 or 20 

### would have purchased EL-1 are assumed to now 21 

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## reflected here and so does that make sense? Okay, 2 

## yeah, and so -- go ahead? 3 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, yes. 4 

## MR. YOUNG: Okay, good. And as you can 5 

## see, then, there indicates also the distribution, the 6 

## number of people that actually have a loss as a 7 

## result of that change to the standard as well as the 8 

## average lifecycle cost, any questions on this up to 9 

## this point? 10 

## And so the final slide I wanted to bring 11 

## out is just to highlight that each of these, the 12 

## numbers that are shown in the table, all the 13 

## averages, the averages of a distribution of values 14 

## and so each of these are based upon a distribution 15 

## and so this would be the distribution of values for 16 

## the lifecycle cost savings for EL-5 on the previous 17 

## slide and so you can see the average value at about 18 

## $39.00, which is what you can see in the table, but 19 

## you can see that that comes from a distribution of 20 

## values that goes from below zero which is people who 21 

## actually have an extra cost as a result of that 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Joanna Mauer has a comment, 2 

## Joanna, please speak. 3 

## MS. MAURER: So I had a question related 4 

## to the assumed lifetime for cooled cabinets. We don't 5 

## have any information on the lifetime of cooled 6 

## cabinets, but the 4.3 years assumed as average 7 

## lifetime seems low to us. I was just wondering, if 8 

## you could say anything more about how you came up 9 

## with that estimate? 10 

## MR. YOUNG: Sure yes, thank you very much 11 

## for the question. And yeah, definitely, that is one 12 

## thing where there is not a lot of data on and right 13 

## after this slide that I was just on we have a request 14 

## for comment, including asking for data on that 15 

## information and so how the 4.3 came from. This came 16 

## from that LBNL Study, which asked people who owned 17 

## these products how old their product was and so 18 

## people reported how old the cooled cabinet that they 19 

## had in their house was and based upon that and then 20 

## using an assumption that shipments were flat -- were 21 

## constant in the past--then that developed that sort 22 

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### And so if any of those assumptions are 2 

### inaccurate then that could change that so if 3 

### shipments had increased recently for any reason 4 

### perhaps that could have an effect on it or if, yeah, 5 

### or if the people who reported answers are not 6 

### representative of all of the consumers I expect to be 7 

### another reason for the difference. 8 

### DOE is also very willing to get any 9 

### additional information because if there is any 10 

### additional information on typical lifetimes for 11 

### cooled cabinets and non-compressor refrigerators, it 12 

### would be very useful for the analysis. Does anyone 13 

### here have any information on that? 14 

### Okay, so that's the end of the results and 15 

### so this brings us to issue box 11, are additional 16 

### data available on the historical current or projected 17 

### future stock, shipments or lifetimes of cooled 18 

### cabinets, non-compressor refrigerators, ice makers or 19 

### hybrid products? Much of this information there is 20 

### limited data on [these products] and so any information that 21 

### is 22 

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## So that's the end of these sections, so my 2 

## colleague Hung-Chia Yang will come up and do the next 3 

## two sections. 4 

## MS. YANG: Hello, everyone my name is 5 

## Hung-Chia Yang from Lawrence Berkeley National 6 

## Laboratory and next I will be presenting the shipment 7 

## analysis that DOE conducted to project the future 8 

## product shipment and the result from this analysis 9 

## serves as an important input for the National Impact 10 

## Analysis, which I will present momentarily. 11 

## So the purpose of the shipment analysis is 12 

## to estimate the current and the projected future 13 

## shipments for each product and, most importantly, DOE 14 

## reviews the shipment analysis to estimate the impact 15 

## of [a] new standard on future shipments. Since the 16 

## data on the historical shipments were 17 

## very limited, DOE mainly estimated the 2012 18 

## shipments based on the LBNL Study. 19 

## And the shipments projection[s] are divided 20 

## into new construction and replacement markets and the 21 

## shipments to hotels were also considered but only for 22 

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## products are believed to be found in hotels. 2 

## The impact of new standards on 3 

## future shipments were projected using the price 4 

## elasticity. And the first part of the shipment 5 

## analysis is the base case shipment projections, which 6 

## depict the situation where new standards are not 7 

## adopted. And shipments in 2012 were derived by 8 

## dividing the estimated stock by the mean estimated 9 

## product lifetime. 10 

## And the shipment projections in new 11 

## construction markets were derived by multiplying new 12 

## housing starts from an AEO 2014 study by the 13 

## household saturation. DOE estimated those household 14 

## saturations based on the LBNL Study and assumed that 15 

## the household saturation of MREF products would 16 

## remain constant throughout the analysis period. 17 

## And the shipments for replacement market 18 

## would account for the balance of the shipments. And 19 

## this table summarizes the saturation of each product 20 

## in the U.S. household base on the LBNL Study. 21 

## Does anyone have any questions so far? 22 

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## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 2 

## In the study, how many households were surveyed in the 3 

## study? I'm just kind of curious if you know, I know 4 

## with RECS they do a sample of 5,000 homes, 5,000 or 5 

## 6,000 homes, and I'm just kind of curious what kind 6 

## of sample size was used for this study? 7 

## MS. YANG: So LBNL conducted a separate 8 

## study for each of the product type. For example for 9 

## the cooled cabinets estimates, the 10 

## survey was targeting the cooled cabinet households 11 

## owners, which we have a sample size of more than 12 

## 2,000 households. 13 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Thank you. 14 

## MS. YANG: And this table summarized the 15 

## base case shipments that we estimated and the second 16 

## column is the estimated 2012 shipments and the third 17 

## column is the estimated 2050 shipments, which is the 18 

## last year of our analysis period. 19 

## And the second part of the shipment 20 

## analysis is to look at this impact of standards on 21 

## shipments. So the standard case projection used the 22 

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### savings to estimate shipment impacts. And the 2 

### price elasticity factor derived from 3 

### a literature review of household appliances 4 

### were used to determine if the shipments were 5 

### decreased due to the increased purchase price and also 6 

### the magnitude of those impacts. 7 

### And DOE found cooled cabinet shipments would 8 

### decrease if the standard would use EL-5 and higher. 9 

### However, for other products, DOE found no impacts of 10 

### new standards on shipments. And here is -- sorry, you 11 

### have a question? Okay, so here is the issue box and 12 

### DOE is requesting for comment [on] whether there are 13 

### additional data available on the historical current 14 

### and the projected future stock shipments and 15 

### lifetime for MREF products. 16 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Steve? 17 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 18 

### Going back to the estimated shipments slide 91, I 19 

### guess I'm kind of curious why the increase for some 20 

### of them seems to be around, I'll say, the 50% range 21 

### between 2012 and 2050 but then for the first two 22 

### categories, it's nearly doubling or in theEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## non-compressor it's almost quadrupling and I'm just 2 

## trying to get a sense of what factors are making 3 

## those shipments rise so much higher than the other 4 

## products, the other product categories? 5 

## MS. YANG: Certainly, for the cool cabinet 6 

## and the non-compressor -- 7 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: The delta between the 8 

## 2012 and 2050 seems so much higher than the other 9 

## ones I'm just kind of curious what are the factors, 10 

## you know, because the same number of new homes, and 11 

## same number of, I'll say, renovated homes are 12 

## replacement, what factors are driving their numbers 13 

## so much higher as a percentage increase over the time 14 

## period? 15 

## MS. YANG: So this number was basically 16 

## based on the total household units, which is the 17 

## current plus the new housing so the reason that 18 

## contributes to the big increase that would probably be 19 

## the change of housing, the number of housing. 20 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Okay, Steve Rosenstock, 21 

## EEI. I'm just kind of -- I'm just surprised that 22 

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## products, these are kind of, I'll say, secondary 2 

## products in the home and I'm just surprised at the 3 

## delta of the first two compared to some of the other 4 

## ones, that's all -- just an observation, thank you. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie Hon? 6 

## MR. HON: Charlie Hon, True Manufacturing. 7 

## There are also issues in these categories as far as 8 

## economics -- the higher of the value of the home the 9 

## greater the chances of installing these types of 10 

## equipment. In a small home, you will have a 11 

## refrigerator and no other additional refrigeration 12 

## systems. The bigger the home, the more likely you 13 

## are to put in these additionals whether it be behind 14 

## the bar, on the patio, you name it, it's going in 15 

## there. 16 

## MS. YANG: Um-hmm, thank you for the 17 

## comment. So far, we haven't considered that 18 

## the difference in household size would affect the 19 

## value of the saturation rate of the product, thank 20 

## you for the comment. 21 

## Now, we move on to the national impact 22 

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### analysis to assess the national level impact at each 2 

### efficiency level as measured by national energy 3 

### saving and net present value of total consumer 4 

### economic impact. And DOE used the shipping model to 5 

### estimate the total stock of each MREF product 6 

### and DOE then aggregate[d] the cost and energy used per 7 

### unit in each year. 8 

### A difference between the base case and the 9 

### standard case in each year will give us the national 10 

### energy saving and the net present value of consumer 11 

### economic impact. DOE also accounts for the time 12 

### value of money through defined discount rates, which 13 

### are 3% and 7% when calculating the net present 14 

### value. 15 

### And here is a simplified illustration 16 

### showing how a national impact analysis process would look 17 

### like. So from the LCC and the shipment analysis, DOE 18 

### are able to derive the national energy savings and 19 

### also the national net present value of economic 20 

### impact. And those national energy savings and the 21 

### net present value of economic impact were calculated 22 

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## to 2050 that covered thirty years of projection 2 

## period. 3 

## And this diagram shows how the national 4 

## energy savings were actually calculated in the 5 

## analysis. So in the shipment analysis, DOE are able 6 

## to calculate the base case and standards case shipment 7 

## projections from 2021 to 2050 and by multiplying the 8 

## shipments with the energy use per unit derived from 9 

## the energy use analysis, DOE are able to estimate the 10 

## base case cumulative energy use and also the standard 11 

## case cumulative energy use. 12 

## And then DOE apply a conversion factor to 13 

## account for energy consumed during the extracting 14 

## processing and transporting of the primary fuel. And 15 

## the difference between the base case and standard case 16 

## will be the national energy savings. 17 

## The next diagram will show how the 18 

## national consumer new present value was calculated. 19 

## Similarly, the base case and standard case shipment 20 

## projections were estimated in the shipment analysis 21 

## and from the energy analysis DOE got the 22 

## operating cost per unit including energy cost, theEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## maintenance and the repair cost and from the LCC 2 

## analysis data we will also be able to get the 3 

## equipment cost estimated per unit. 4 

## So by taking the difference between the 5 

## base case and the standard case to derive the 6 

## cumulative operating cost of savings and the 7 

## cumulative of total equipment cost increase. By 8 

## discounting those two values to the present year, 9 

## which is 2014, you were able to get the net present 10 

## value of the total economic impact. 11 

## And here is the list of the inputs that we 12 

## use in our national impact analysis and each of these 13 

## were output from the many analyses that we mentioned 14 

## earlier. And this table summarizes national energy 15 

## savings results for each MREF product and, as you 16 

## can see, the energy -- the national energy savings 17 

## goes up when you move up the efficiency level. 18 

## Questions? 19 

## And this table shows the cumulative net 20 

## present value result by using a 3% discount rate. 21 

## And the next table shows the cumulative net present 22 

## value by using a 7% discount rate. As you can see,Energy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## the hybrid product is not included and the net 2 

## present value result as the absence of the cost 3 

## efficiency curve for those products prevents DOE from 4 

## estimating the net present value for them. 5 

## Is there any questions or comments? I 6 

## think that's the end of my presentation thank you. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, move on to MIA. 8 

## MS. BUCCITELLI: I'm Nicole Buccitelli 9 

## from Navigant and I'm going to be talking about the 10 

## manufacturer impact analysis. At this point, this 11 

## analysis is in its very initial stages. This is the 12 

## section of the DOE downstream analysis that deals 13 

## with the economic impacts on manufacturers of new or 14 

## amended standards. 15 

## And during this analysis, DOE identifies 16 

## and estimates impacts on manufacturer sub-groups that 17 

## may be disproportionately affected by standards and 18 

## during MIA direct impacts on direct employment, 19 

## competition within the industry, manufacturing 20 

## capacity and cumulative regulatory burdens are also 21 

## analyzed. 22 

## The core methodology used on MIA are theEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## government regulatory impact model, also known as the 2 

## GRIM and manufacturer interviews. The GRIM is used 3 

## to analyze industry cash flows and the main output is 4 

## industry net present value and manufacturer 5 

## interviews are used to refine the inputs for the GRIM 6 

## as well as devote the sub-group analysis and address 7 

## more equality of the issues. 8 

## So there are three main phases to the 9 

## manufacturer impact analysis. The first being DOE 10 

## conducts some initial market research and creates an 11 

## industry profile to characterize the industry and 12 

## also to identify important issues that require 13 

## investigation during interviews. 14 

## The second phase is the phase in which DOE 15 

## prepares the government, the GRIM model, as a 16 

## framework for analyzing industry cash flows and also 17 

## prepares an interview guide which will guide the 18 

## discussions with manufacturers. 19 

## In phase three, DOE interviews 20 

## manufacturers and assesses both the quantitative and 21 

## qualitative impacts and so you could see at the 22 

## bottom there's a little diagram; were essentiallyEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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## done with phase one at this point. We have conducted 2 

## preliminary manufacturer interviews but the main meat 3 

## of inputs for the MIA will come with the NOPR phase 4 

## manufacturer interviews, which we will plan on 5 

## contacting manufacturers about in the next few 6 

## weeks. 7 

## During preliminary interviews, there are 8 

## some -- a few key issues identified by manufacturers 9 

## that we will plan on investigating further during the 10 

## NOPR phase interviews. The first one being the 11 

## timing of these standards relative to the 2014 energy 12 

## conservation standards for refrigerators and 13 

## freezers, the impacts of higher selling prices, 14 

## impacts on consumer utility, conversion costs and 15 

## disproportionate impacts on small businesses. That's 16 

## it, any questions? Okay. 17 

## MR. YOUNG: All right, Scott Young from 18 

## Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory again. I will 19 

## finish up with the analysis that will be 20 

## completed at the notice of proposed rulemaking phase. 21 

## So following the preliminary analysis, there will be a 22 

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## there are several steps to the analysis. 2 

## First is to revise the analyses that were 3 

## done in the preliminary analysis and these are the 4 

## analyses which we have discussed today. And then 5 

## there will be a number of additional analyses that 6 

## will be performed. First will be the LCC sub-group 7 

## analysis and that involves similar to the LCC but 8 

## focusing largely on consumer sub-groups that might be 9 

## disproportionately impacted by a new standard on 10 

## products. 11 

## The next is, as Nicole just mentioned, the 12 

## manufacturer impact analysis. Following that are the 13 

## emissions and the emissions monetization analyses 14 

## that assess how standards might affect emissions of 15 

## air-borne pollutants. After that, there is also the 16 

## utility impact analysis looking at how the standards 17 

## could affect electric utilities. 18 

## And the employment impact analysis looking 19 

## at possible indirect impacts on national employment 20 

## due to a standard and finally the regulatory impact 21 

## analysis looking at potential other avenues that the 22 

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## similar energy savings and also a reduction, or 2 

## economic impact. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Steve Rosenstock? 4 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 5 

## For the emissions analysis and the utility impact 6 

## analysis, are there plans to run at least a 7 

## sensitivity analysis for the impact of the EPA Clean 8 

## Power Plan, which will be under the current schedule, 9 

## the rule gets announced this summer and states start 10 

## doing their implementation plans either next year or 11 

## the year after, but basically, it's full 12 

## implementation by 2020? 13 

## MR. YOUNG: That's a good question and I'm 14 

## not actually sure on that. You know, I don't know. I 15 

## have to take a look into that and I'm just not sure 16 

## exactly how would that sensitivity how would that 17 

## affect, or how would the standards affect that or how 18 

## would that affect the standard? 19 

## MR. ROSENSTOCK: Well, it would affect the 20 

## standards in terms of the fact that the generation 21 

## fee which could change over quite dramatically to 22 

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## 2030 so that's well within the time frame of this 2 

## analysis and I don't think any of that was really -- 3 

## I know the mercury rule was announced a couple of 4 

## years ago so it might be incorporated in the AEO 2014 5 

## for EIA but [the] clean power plan, really, that was 6 

## announced last September after AEO came out with 2014 7 

## so it's not going to be in any of their projections 8 

## at all in terms of electric generation or emissions. 9 

## MR. YOUNG: And at that time it would be 10 

## -- by the time it was done likely AEO 2015 might be 11 

## out and it might be reflected in that possibly, they 12 

## do definitely rely on information from the EIA for 13 

## that so if it's in that, then yes. 14 

## MR. HON: This is Charlie Hon. Now that 15 

## we are starting to get to the end of this special 16 

## analysis, there is a major rule which has been 17 

## proposed by the EPA SNAP group would remove the use 18 

## of 134A and 404A as refrigerants. Preliminary rule 19 

## said by 2016 in reality -- we know that's probably 20 

## much more aggressive than the final rule will be. 21 

## The final rule is tentatively coming out late first 22 

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### And that means re-engineering of almost 2 

### every product as far as made for compression 3 

### refrigeration system, and has any consideration been 4 

### made into those areas? 5 

### MR. MOUW: This is Nate from Whirlpool. 6 

### Maybe to add to that, or perhaps request that we 7 

### clarify for residential refrigeration products, my 8 

### understanding is that there is no proposal for a ban 9 

### or a limit on use of refrigerants. It's certainly -- 10 

### I believe its commercial-only for refrigerants, 11 

### certainly residential is impacted by the proposal to 12 

### ban the specific blowing agents or foam, blown foam, 13 

### that's my understanding. 14 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Nate, Michael 15 

### Kido? 16 

### MR. KIDO: I guess this is in response to 17 

### Charlie's question. Essentially my understanding is 18 

### that the process that we would apply when we are looking at 19 

### sister agency regulations is that we will take into 20 

### account those regulations that have been adopted. 21 

### Whether there is room for additional 22 

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### generally the practice is you can't really speculate 2 

### what it is that an agency, a sister agency, is going 3 

### to end up with. You might have proposals right now 4 

### at EPA but it's possible there may be changes to what 5 

### they end up adopting versus what they actually 6 

### proposed. 7 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Steve? 8 

### MR. ROSENSTOCK: Steve Rosenstock, EEI. 9 

### But again, I know it will be an extra effort but 10 

### that's the reason for a sensitivity analysis. If 11 

### there's a proposed rule out there then there might be 12 

### a way to get some feedback from either manufacturers 13 

### or other parties to say okay we think that again, 14 

### based on this proposed rule here is the impact of this 15 

### proposed rule on the efficiency standards that DOE is 16 

### thinking about doing. 17 

### MR. KIDO: Like I said, Steve, we will look 18 

### into it. 19 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you. 20 

### MR. YOUNG: Okay, these are all the 21 

### additional analyses, any other questions on the 22 

### additional analyses? Okay, that's the end of myEnergy Conservation Standards Rulemaking for Miscellaneous Consumer Refrigeration Products Prelimina ry Analysis Meeting January 9, 2015

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### section here. 2 

### MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, so now we are to 3 

### closing remarks and an opportunity for anybody that 4 

### wishes to make remarks here at the end of the 5 

### meeting. Summary statements, issues that you wish to 6 

### bring to the floor, haven't been covered sufficiently 7 

### to date at this time. Charlie Hon? 8 

### MR. HON: Charlie Hon. I have one final 9 

### comment. We have -- there's been lots of different 10 

### market sectors discussed here, some of which had good 11 

### data, some of which were very limited data 12 

### availability, some of which used factors where the 13 

### baseline factor's lowest point is 65, which would 14 

### mean we would be starting by reducing the energy 15 

### consumption allowable by 35% below the California 16 

### Energy Commission and then dropping down from there 17 

### fairly quickly, and so our concern is, do we really 18 

### know -- there were assumptions made that everything 19 

### in the United States met CEC. And that's an 20 

### assumption that I cannot accept because, legally, there 21 

### are plenty of other places that it is legal to sell 22 

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## And assuming that they are never sold 2 

## elsewhere is a very, very big step so I think we need 3 

## to get some information. Are there less efficient 4 

## products, starting with a 35% reduction is baseline, 5 

## that's an aggressive step to start with. It's a 6 

## doable step. I understand the market well enough to 7 

## know that 35% can be done, but when you get into 8 

## specialty products the payback period for 9 

## manufacturers, because they are fairly low volume, 10 

## become more and more difficult. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you Charlie. 12 

## MR. HAGERMAN: Joe Hagerman, DOE. So 13 

## thank you so much for your comments. It would also 14 

## be very helpful if you would submit that as a written 15 

## comment too. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional comments here as 17 

## we move towards the end of the meeting? Okay, so then 18 

## for my part I'll thank you all, we had a very 19 

## productive meeting. I really appreciate all of your 20 

## participation here I'm going to turn it back to Joe 21 

## Hagerman for closing remarks. 22 

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## and hear that we appreciate your participation today 2 

## and yesterday too if you were here and just as a 3 

## reminder the comment period for the standard that we 4 

## discussed today is February 2nd, so we look forward 5 

## to your written comments. 6 

## And then the comment period closes for the 7 

## test procedures on March 2nd, those are two very 8 

## important dates and I urge you not to wait until the 9 

## last minute because sometimes people have trouble 10 

## submitting the comments. 11 

## Also just a note to that -- whenever you 12 

## submit comments put it through the system and also 13 

## email Brenda Edwards so thank you. 14 

## (Whereupon meeting was adjourned at 12:10 15 

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