# Date: January 20, 2015 **Case:** Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps

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## U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY PUBLIC MEETING ON ENERGY CONSERVATION STANDARDS PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS FOR GENERAL SERVICE LAMPS (GSLS)

TUESDAY, JANUARY 20, 2015 9:00 A.M.

1000 INDEPENDENCE AVENUE, S.W. FORRESTAL BUILDING ROOM 8E-089 WASHINGTON, DC 20585-0121Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## Speaker List Dept of Energy 2 3 

## Doug Brookman-Chair 4 

## Lucy deButts5 

## Noah Horowitz 6 

## Aisha Husain 7 

## Don Brundage 8 

## John Cymbalsky9 

## Joe Howley 10 

## Dave Gatto 11 

## Mike McGaraghan 12 

## Tom Stimac 13 

## Alex Boesenberg 14 

## Keith Cook 15 

## Charlie Stevens 16 

## Maureen Kienle 17 

## Colleen Kantner 18 

## Susan Callahan 19 

## Alex Krowka 20 

## Andrew Giallonardo 21 

## Ken Rider (by Phone) 22 

## Tom EckmanEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## Speaker List Dept of Energy 2 3 

## Andrew deLaski 4 

## Brian Gerke 5 

## Hayden Cook 6 

## Joe Howley 7 

## Jennifer Amann 8 9 

## Webinar Participants 10 

## Jordan Collins 11 

## Erika Burns 12 

## David Ryan 13 

## Allison Ngo 14 

## Shannon Baker-Branstetter 15 

## Rick Ho 16 

## Erik Page 17 

## Andrea Alstone 18 

## Jim McMahon 19 

## Vagelis Vossos 20 

## Robert Hosbach 21 

## Liana Wallace 22 

## Joseph HowleyEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## Webinar Participants 2 3 

## Kevin Fuscus 4 

## David Lis 5 

## Xin Cao 6 

## Taylor Jantz-Sell 7 

## Kevin Dombrowski 8 

## Claire Mizolek 9 

## Mustaba Navvab 10 

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## P R O C E E D I N G S 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay let's begin happily. 3 

## Good morning everyone welcome. This is the U.S. 4 

## Department of Energy's public meeting on energy 5 

## conservation standards preliminary analysis for 6 

## general service lamps. Today is Tuesday, January 20, 7 

## 2015 here in the Forrestal Building, the Department 8 

## of Energy in Washington, D.C. My name is Doug 9 

## Brookman, Public Solutions Baltimore. 10 

## Nice to see you all this morning, sorry 11 

## for a slight delay in the start. We had audio 12 

## difficulty but I think they've now cleared that up. 13 

## We are going to start with welcoming remarks from 14 

## Lucy deButts. 15 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Hi everyone, thank you for 16 

## your patience and just like Doug said today we are 17 

## going to discuss the preliminary analysis for the 18 

## general service lamps. I called my colleagues from 19 

## Navigant Consulting and Lawrence Berkeley National 20 

## Lab and so Doug can go through the housekeeping 21 

## items. 22 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, we always startEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## with introductions so I'll start to my immediate 2 

## left. You can get used to turning the microphones 3 

## both on and off. 4 

## MR. BOOK: Keith Cook with Philips 5 

## Lighting. 6 

## MS. CALLAHAN: Susan Callahan, Osram 7 

## Sylvania. 8 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage, Southern 9 

## Company. 10 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 11 

## Lighting. 12 

## MR. STIMAC: Tom Stimac, GE Lighting. 13 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley, GE Lighting. 14 

## MR. STEPHENS: Charlie Stephens, Northwest 15 

## Energy Efficiency Alliance. 16 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz, NRDC, the 17 

## Natural Resources Defense Council. 18 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan with 19 

## Energy Solutions here on behalf of the California 20 

## Investor Owned Utilities. 21 

## MR. GIALLONARDO: Andrew Giallonardo with 22 

## Canada's Department of Natural Resources.Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## MR. ECKMAN: Tom Eckman, Northwest Power 2 

## and Conservation Council. 3 

## MS. SHER: Celia Sher, Department of 4 

## Energy, General Counsel's Office. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Let's see if that works, 6 

## yes. 7 

## MS. KANTNER: Colleen Kantner, Lawrence 8 

## Berkeley National Lab. 9 

## MR. DESROCHES: Louis Desroches, Lawrence 10 

## Berkeley National Lab. 11 

## MR. GERKE: Brian Gerke, Lawrence Berkeley 12 

## National Lab. 13 

## MS. HUSAIN: Aisha Husain, Navigant. 14 

## MS. KIENLE: Maureen Kienle, Navigant. 15 

## MR. BALLO: Tim Ballo, Earthjustice. 16 

## MS. MCDONALD: Ali McDonald, Navigant 17 

## Consulting. 18 

## MR. COOK: Hayden Cook, Navigant 19 

## Consulting. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Again welcome, so glad to 21 

## see you hear this morning for a good start on the New 22 

## Year here at the Department of Energy. Hopefully allEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## of you received a packet of information as you 2 

## checked in this morning, I'm going to do a very brief 3 

## agenda review. Immediately following this agenda 4 

## review there's an opportunity for anybody that wishes 5 

## to make an opening remark, brief summary statements 6 

## about issues that matter to you here at the outset 7 

## that you would like to call to the floor. 8 

## Following that we will move directly into 9 

## an Overview and then a Scope of Coverage, a Scope of 10 

## Metrics. We will take a mid-morning break roundabout 11 

## 10:30 or so, following that Market Technology 12 

## Assessment Screening Analysis and then continuing on 13 

## from there, Engineering Analysis, Product Price 14 

## Determination. We will take lunch roundabout noon 15 

## and then returning from lunch, or when we get there 16 

## in Sequence, Energy Use Analysis, Life-Cycle Cost 17 

## Analysis, Shipments Analysis, National Impacts 18 

## Analysis, Preliminary Manufacturer Impact Analysis, 19 

## NOPR Analyses and then at the end of the day today, 20 

## which we anticipate it will be oh probably 2-ish or 21 

## sometime after lunch, Closing Remarks, an opportunity 22 

## again for anybody that wishes to raise additionalEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## issues that have not been covered sufficiently. 2 

## I recognize many of you, most of you and I 3 

## think you are of course familiar with the way we 4 

## typically run these meetings here at the Department 5 

## of Energy. If you could please speak one at a time, 6 

## please say your name for the record each time you 7 

## speak. There will be a complete transcript of this 8 

## meeting made available for you and everyone. If you 9 

## could be concise, share the air time, there's a lot 10 

## of content here to be covered and if you keep the 11 

## focus here, if you could turn your cell phones on 12 

## silent mode and limit side bar conversations. 13 

## Webinar participants we welcome you. The 14 

## Department of Energy is trying hard to make these 15 

## meetings totally accessible via the web. If you 16 

## would turn your telephones on mute that would help us 17 

## to limit feedback in the room and you can raise your 18 

## hand in the software provided to be recognized to 19 

## speak. Most of the time that seems to be working 20 

## here -- you raise your hand, we unmute you here in 21 

## the room and then we can hear you speak over the PA 22 

## system here in the room. So I think that is -- IEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## would offer in addition to those via the webcast -- 2 

## everyone, the Department appreciates and wants to 3 

## encourage everyone to provide detailed written 4 

## comments. 5 

## Those of you that are joining through the 6 

## web please send written comments in addition to what 7 

## you might join in the conversation here in the room. 8 

## And do you want to do the purpose of the public 9 

## meeting? 10 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Sure. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes, back to Lucy deButts. 12 

## MS. DEBUTTS: All right so the purpose of 13 

## today's public meeting is to discuss the preliminary 14 

## analysis. Just like Doug mentioned we invite 15 

## everyone to participate and remark on our analysis. 16 

## We will also discuss the next steps and projected 17 

## deadlines for this rulemaking and as always we 18 

## encourage everyone to share the data if it is 19 

## available to help us to improve the analysis that we 20 

## have done so far. 21 

## Throughout the presentation while we are 22 

## having the discussion of the analysis we will see theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## issue boxes. These issue boxes are not going to be 2 

## -- they are going to correspond to the numbering 3 

## system that is provided in the executive summary of 4 

## the technical support documents and they are not 5 

## going to be in order because we are not going to 6 

## discuss every single issue, but only the major ones. 7 

## So you will see there may be some numbers 8 

## that go back and forth. When you provide comments to 9 

## us in written form, please follow the format that is 10 

## going to be discussed later and we would like to 11 

## comments to be submitted by February 9th of 2015 and 12 

## every document that is going to be available to the 13 

## stakeholders is located in the docket and the docket 14 

## link is provided on this slide. 15 

## In order to submit written comments, as 16 

## always you will provide several ways but we encourage 17 

## you to submit them via email and please mention the 18 

## title of the rulemaking, the docket number and the 19 

## rule number that is associated with this rule. You 20 

## can also send them by postal office and courier and 21 

## as I said our comment period will close on February 22 

## 9th of 2015. And now we can go to the overview orEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## opening remarks, sorry. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: As we had said an 3 

## opportunity for anyone to make opening remarks here 4 

## at the outset. Noah? 5 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Good morning this is Noah 6 

## Horowitz with NRDC. We would like to express our 7 

## appreciation to the Department of Energy for 8 

## considering the input of all the various stakeholders 9 

## and the advocates, and a lot of that was reflected in 10 

## the documents and we appreciate that. 11 

## In particular we want to highlight the 12 

## initial proposals for determinations by DOE that we 13 

## support. Firstly, proposing a smooth continuous 14 

## curve for studying efficiency requirements as a 15 

## function of light output, also your determination 16 

## that many of the currently exempt lamps do provide 17 

## overall illumination and therefore the exemptions 18 

## would go away for most but not all of the various 19 

## categories. 20 

## We also agree with your determination that 21 

## special treatment lamps such as shatter resistant, 22 

## vibration service, three-way and so forth, can beEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## used in general applications. We also agree with 2 

## your view on modified spectrum there as well. In 3 

## terms of product classes, you simplified it which we 4 

## think was the right thing and we agree with your 5 

## technology-neutral approach. 6 

## And lastly we agree with your update to 7 

## the CFL quality parameters to take a look at those 8 

## and bring those up to speed, thank you. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you and I must say 10 

## it's nice when commenters, stakeholders say they like 11 

## what the Department's done, that's always a pleasant 12 

## sort of an outcome. Additional comments here at the 13 

## outset? Nothing additional? Then we are going to 14 

## move straight into the content provided starting with 15 

## the Overview, Lucy deButts. 16 

## MS. DEBUTTS: All right, so let's review 17 

## the regulatory history and so this rulemaking was -- 18 

## the authority was given to DOE in 2007 when EISA was 19 

## enacted and to conduct two rulemaking cycles for the 20 

## evaluation of general service lamps. This rulemaking 21 

## constitutes the first cycle and we initiated it on 22 

## January 1st of 2014. We are mandated to publish theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## final rule by January 1st of 2017. 2 

## As was mentioned earlier we evaluated 3 

## existing exemptions for certain incandescent lamps, 4 

## but the scope is not limited to incandescent 5 

## technology only. We considered the phase in 6 

## compliance dates and of course, we considered the 7 

## minimum standard of 45 lumens per watt as EISA 8 

## instructed as a back stop criteria. 9 

## So with this rulemaking we are also 10 

## satisfying the requirements to review existing 11 

## standards for medium based fluorescent lamps and we 12 

## are addressing the stand-by and off mode as directed 13 

## by U.S. code. 14 

## The next slide represents the proposed 15 

## schedule for this rulemaking and as I mentioned on 16 

## December 9, 2013 DOE published a framework document. 17 

## On December 11th of 2014 we published a Preliminary 18 

## Analysis the documents are posted in the docket in 19 

## the web. 20 

## What we are hoping to do is to publish the 21 

## Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in December of this 22 

## year, 2015 -- with the final rule following inEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## December of 2016 and the compliance dates -- the 2 

## compliance date for this rulemaking would be in 3 

## December of 2019 which is three years after final 4 

## rule publication. No questions? Okay. 5 

## So when we are doing our analysis, most of 6 

## you know we are considering 7 factors that deal with 7 

## economic impacts on consumers, lifetime operation 8 

## savings cost as compared to increased cost for the 9 

## products, total projected energy, impact on utility 10 

## and performance and lessening of competition, need 11 

## for national energy conservations and other factors 12 

## as the Secretary considers relevant. 13 

## And now we will move into Scope of 14 

## Coverage and Aisha will take up with that. 15 

## MS. HUSAIN: Hi my name is Aisha Husain, 16 

## I'm from Navigant. So in the next few slides we will 17 

## discuss in detail the scope of coverage for this 18 

## rulemaking. We will begin by the definition -- with 19 

## the definition of general service lamp which is shown 20 

## here. The definition notes specific lamp types that 21 

## are GSLs. It also specifies GSLs that are -- it 22 

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## identified by DOE to satisfy lighting applications 2 

## traditionally served by general service incandescent 3 

## lamps. 4 

## Finally it notes that lamp types that are 5 

## explicitly excluded from the GSL definition -- lamps 6 

## that are general service fluorescent lamps and lamps 7 

## that are incandescent reflector lamps are not GSLs. 8 

## So first we will discuss the GSLs 9 

## explicitly included in this definition and these are 10 

## listed here so the general service incandescent lamps 11 

## are GSLs, the compact fluorescent lamps, CFLs, the 12 

## general service light emitting diodes, LED lamps, the 13 

## organic light emitting diodes or OLED lamps. 14 

## Then we will discuss other lamps the DOE 15 

## has identified as GSLs and we will discuss lamp 16 

## types that are not considered GSLs and finally we 17 

## will go over the GSLs analyzed in this preliminary 18 

## analysis, yes? 19 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: I understand that -- Don 20 

## Brundage, Southern Company, incandescents are being 21 

## excluded from this rulemaking -- my understanding 22 

## this is some requirements from Congress. Could theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## Department comment on what their plans would be on 2 

## dealing with incandescents if these rules change and 3 

## you were allowed to -- how would you handle it if 4 

## hypothetically you are allowed to issue rules for 5 

## these again, would you start a separate rulemaking 6 

## for incandescents? 7 

## MR. CYMBALSKY: This is John Cymbalsky 8 

## from DOE. So the original plan here was to include 9 

## all these lamps together in one rulemaking and if 10 

## Congress were to lift that rider prohibition we would 11 

## intend to bring that in once again. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Into this? 13 

## MR. CYMBALSKY: Correct. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Into this rulemaking? 15 

## MR. CYMBALSKY: Yep. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you. 17 

## MS. HUSAIN: So that actually hits the 18 

## next slide here, you know as stated here that GSLs 19 

## include general service incandescent lamps and as we 20 

## were speaking before the Consolidated Appropriations 21 

## Act states that funds made available by the Act may 22 

## not be used to implement or enforce standards forEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## GSLs, intermediate base incandescent lamps and 2 

## candelabra based incandescent lamps. Therefore DOE 3 

## is not considering these lamps in this rulemaking at 4 

## this time. 5 

## GSLs also include compact fluorescent 6 

## lamps which DOE has determined as comprising both 7 

## integrated and non-integrated CFLs. Integrated 8 

## medium based compact fluorescent lamps are currently 9 

## defined and subject to standards. The term compact 10 

## fluorescent lamp is not defined. DOE is proposing a 11 

## definition for the term compact fluorescent lamp and 12 

## other related terms in a forthcoming CFL test 13 

## procedure rulemaking. 14 

## Also DOE is not -- is considering not 15 

## setting standards for certain CFLs and we will 16 

## discuss those a little bit later. So general service 17 

## LED lamps are also GSLs and include both 18 

## non-integrated and integrated types. The term light 19 

## emitting diode is currently defined. The LED test 20 

## procedure supplementary NOPR which was published June 21 

## 26th, 2014 is proposing to define integrated LED lamp 22 

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## DOE is considering defining the term 2 

## general service LED lamp in this rulemaking as shown 3 

## here. And also just to note as with CFLs, it is 4 

## considering not setting standards for certain LEDs 5 

## and we will discuss this a little bit later as well. 6 

## OLED lamps are also GSLs, LEDs are a thin 7 

## filament light emitting device, usually with a series 8 

## of organic layers between two electrodes. DOE is 9 

## considering establishing a definition for OLED lamps 10 

## as shown here. DOE is not considering establishing 11 

## standards for OLED lamps as they are an emerging 12 

## technology with limited commercial availability and 13 

## it is also not clear if their efficacy can be 14 

## improved. 15 

## So issues over here asking for comment on 16 

## not establishing standards for OLED lamps. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: There you see the issue 18 

## box, comments on OLEDs, Joe? 19 

## MR. HOWLEY: GE and I believe most of 20 

## industry -- Joe Howley, GE -- believes it is too 21 

## early to set any type of regulation on OLEDs this is 22 

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## information yet about how this technology is going to 2 

## develop to begin to set regulations on it. I would 3 

## agree with DOE's position. 4 

## MS. HUSAIN: Thanks. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, additional comments 6 

## here? Nothing additional, okay. 7 

## MS. HUSAIN: So as noted previously GSLs 8 

## are also any other lamps that DOE finds satisfy 9 

## applications traditionally served by GSLs. DOE used 10 

## the following criteria to identify these lamps, DOE 11 

## determined that GSLs must have an ANSI base which 12 

## ensures that the lamp can be used in commonly found 13 

## sockets, that GSLs cannot be a light fixture and DOE 14 

## is defining the light fixture -- the term light 15 

## fixture in this rule making. 16 

## That GSLs can operate on any voltage, 17 

## that GSLs must provide overall illumination, 18 

## interior, exterior per definition of the general 19 

## lighting application. GSLs must have an output, 310 20 

## lumens greater or greater. DOE has determined that 21 

## lumens lower than 310 would not adequately satisfy a 22 

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## So now we will discuss lamp types that DOE 2 

## has determined are not GSLs. As noted previously 3 

## the GSL definition explicitly excludes general 4 

## service fluorescent lamps and incandescent reflector 5 

## lamps. It also explicitly excludes the 22 exemptions 6 

## to GSILs stated in the GSL exemption and these are 7 

## listed in this table here. 8 

## DOE has the ability to evaluate whether 9 

## these 22 GSIL exemptions should be maintained, 10 

## however due to the Appropriation's rider it will not 11 

## be undertaking this evaluation in this rulemaking. 12 

## So DOE determined that the 22 exemptions 13 

## for GSILs do not automatically apply to all other 14 

## general service lamps. DOE evaluated exemptions that 15 

## are applicable to the other GSLs, such as CFLs and 16 

## LEDs. DOE based its determination of whether the 17 

## lamp type provided overall illumination and could 18 

## serve as a general lighting application. 19 

## The table here applies to all GSLs other 20 

## than the GSILs. The left side of the table shows 21 

## lamp types DOE determined should be exempt. The 22 

## right side of the table is a list of types that doEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## not warrant exemption. 2 

## Just a request for comments on the lamp 3 

## types DOE is considering to be exempt in particular, 4 

## requesting feedback on the three-way, vibration, 5 

## rough service and shatter-resistant. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Let's go back to the 7 

## previous slide if you would Tom, pardon me, Dave, 8 

## sorry. 9 

## MR. GATTO: Not at all, Dave Gatto, 10 

## Westinghouse Lighting. You don't have to go back on 11 

## the slide, and I have to be honest because -- and I 12 

## knew you guys know that I have been very engaged in 13 

## the fan rulemaking -- I'm not as far along in getting 14 

## myself completely up to speed on the GSL rulemaking 15 

## although I've been reading it as quickly as I can. 16 

## One of the -- on the prior slide, operate 17 

## at any voltage -- I'm not sure that I understand how 18 

## you determined that lamps operating at any voltage 19 

## would fit general service lighting applications. I'm 20 

## not sure if you mean products that can be operated at 21 

## multiple voltages, like a dimmable product or if you 22 

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## which tend to be more specialty. 2 

## I want to understand that bullet on the 3 

## scope of coverage other lamps to make sure that I'm 4 

## clear what you are scoping in. 5 

## MS. HUSAIN: We are scoping in what you 6 

## noted the 12 volts would be included and we just 7 

## didn't use voltage as a specific criteria to restrict 8 

## the general lamp providing overall illumination. If 9 

## they are a specialty lamp, hopefully they have been 10 

## caught in the exemptions tables as we would probably 11 

## determine that they cannot provide overall 12 

## illumination. We didn't you know, take out lamps 13 

## specifically because of their voltage. 14 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse. 15 

## Okay I think I understand that, right now that makes 16 

## sense to me so as we get there, there will be places 17 

## where if we see a product that is typically a 18 

## non-general service that happens to give an alternate 19 

## voltage, reading that line voltage it's most likely 20 

## already screened out and if not we would raise it up. 21 

## MS. HUSAIN: Yes. 22 

## MR. GATTO: Okay, thanks.Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Yes, Noah? 2 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Could you go to slide 18 3 

## please? Noah Harowitz with NRDC, I'd like your help 4 

## on the bullet that says utilize an ANSI base. How 5 

## would you think the agency would consider something 6 

## where you have an adapter that has a medium screw 7 

## base at the bottom and it could fit some new non-ANSI 8 

## base that's applied to some new bulbs by way of not 9 

## being covered by the regulations, so shouldn't it be 10 

## any base or why limit to ANSI and how would you treat 11 

## an adapter? 12 

## MS. HUSAIN: So the bulb would have a 13 

## non-ANSI base and you could fit -- have an adapter 14 

## that would fit it into an ANSI socket. 15 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Yes. 16 

## MS. HUSAIN: I think the idea was in this 17 

## criteria was to ensure that any lamp could fit in the 18 

## commonly found sockets so we can specifically look at 19 

## that scenario a little bit more closely. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Any lamp would be included 21 

## in coverage. 22 

## MS. HUSAIN: Any lamp that would beEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## included in coverage right now that would have an 2 

## ANSI base so technically if it has -- if it's able to 3 

## fit to an adapter that then can fit into an 4 

## ANSI-socket it would be included but I think we would 5 

## have to look at that more closely in that specific 6 

## scenario and we can provide clarification. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you, Dave 8 

## please? 9 

## MR. GATTO: David Gatto, Westinghouse. 10 

## Actually it's -- maybe more for you to know are you 11 

## talking about a medium base socket adapter 12 

## specifically? 13 

## MR. HOROWITZ: What I'm getting at is you 14 

## know, today's conventional screw base fixture. Could 15 

## one create a bulb that has a non-ANSI base and have a 16 

## ten cent adapter that you put that into that then 17 

## goes into the existing fixture. And currently we are 18 

## not. 19 

## MR. GATTO: We make adapters so I can kind 20 

## of weigh in on this one and currently we are not 21 

## permitted to make any adapter that converts a medium 22 

## base socket to any other socket type. For thatEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## specific reason it was part of EPACT I believe. 2 

## MS. HUSAIN: Right. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Lucy deButts? 4 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Sorry Lucy deButts, DOE. I 5 

## just found the guidance document on our guidance 6 

## database that says this is not allowed. 7 

## MR. HOROWITZ: So maybe that could be 8 

## amplified in the following documents that would be 9 

## appreciated. 10 

## MS. HUSAIN: Sure. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: That's good, Joe Howley? 12 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley, GE Lighting. 13 

## Just to further thoughts on this scope question DOE 14 

## seems to be applying an extremely large scope. Any 15 

## lamp that can provide general illumination is very 16 

## broad. The original intent of this was to look at 17 

## lamps that provided the highest volume and therefore 18 

## the highest potential for energy savings, that being 19 

## the medium screw-based lamps that are between 310 and 20 

## 2600 lumens where the bulk of the general lighting 21 

## applications occur and where the largest potential 22 

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## So these are either products that go into 2 

## those medium screw-based sockets or can go into those 3 

## medium screw-based sockets, therefore CFLs and/or 4 

## LEDs that have the medium screw-based socket that 5 

## are meant to replace the huge number of sockets that 6 

## exist today that have medium screw bases in them so 7 

## in some extent and we will look at this further and 8 

## comment further but this approach we might argue is 9 

## actually too broad, too all-encompassing and it 10 

## really should be narrowed to where the large 11 

## potential for energy saving is and the large 12 

## potential for lamp use is. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, Don Brundage? 14 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage, Southern 15 

## Company. I would agree with this. I think the 16 

## intent of the legislation was for consumer products, 17 

## standard lighting. While there is a number of 18 

## exemptions in the EPACT that's not all-inclusive of 19 

## anything that produces light and if you do it too 20 

## broadly you may have some specialized industrial 21 

## applications with unintended consequences, thank you. 22 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. AdditionalEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## thoughts yes Mike? 2 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan for the 3 

## California IOU's, I had a question about the term 4 

## general lighting application. It's defined in the 5 

## Federal Register as lighting that provides an 6 

## interior/exterior area with overall illumination and 7 

## I hate to get too far into the weeds here but does 8 

## anybody have a definition of overall illumination and 9 

## if the definition doesn't exist, can DOE provide its 10 

## own interpretation of overall illumination? 11 

## MS. HUSAIN: There isn't a definition of 12 

## overall illumination in the overall CFR. If it 13 

## would be helpful I think -- I guess we could look 14 

## into that. 15 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Thank you. 16 

## MS. HUSAIN: Did you have any specific 17 

## suggestions on what you were thinking of? 18 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: No just the term comes up 19 

## a lot in the document and there's a lot of different 20 

## things it could mean so it would be great to hear 21 

## what -- you know how you are interpreting it. 22 

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## interpreting as well in your comments. 2 

## MS. HUSAIN: Yeah, what would be causing 3 

## like issues with someone mistaking it for something 4 

## that it shouldn't be or something. 5 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Understood. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts here? 7 

## A lot of content in these few slides, what is a 8 

## left-hand thread, just the other way huh? But why do 9 

## they do that? Sorry, I read that on here. 10 

## UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: South of the 11 

## equator. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, all right additional 13 

## thoughts on these that are exempted and not exempted? 14 

## Okay, moving on. 15 

## MS. HUSAIN: So the lamp types identified 16 

## as GSLs DOE did not analyze certain ones in this 17 

## preliminary analysis. To determine which lamps to 18 

## analyze for each lamp type DOE looked at the 19 

## following criteria: whether the standards for a lamp 20 

## type would result in significant energy savings; 21 

## whether improvements in efficacy while maintaining 22 

## lamp utility were technologically feasible andEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## whether the lamp is subject to restrictions from the 2 

## Appropriations rider. 3 

## So the next slide will summarize -- this 4 

## slide summarizes the different types of integrated 5 

## GSLs and specifies whether DOE analyzed them in the 6 

## preliminary analysis. The ones that are analyzed are 7 

## shown in dark green. 8 

## Okay this slide shows the non-integrated 9 

## GSLs and again the ones that are analyzed are shown 10 

## in dark green, mainly the pin base CFLs. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Don Brundage? 12 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: I think one general concern 13 

## I would have is with this caveat of not being able 14 

## to change standards on incandescents. Assuming that 15 

## continues forward in time it does -- the main thing 16 

## is you need to be cautious about setting standards 17 

## too high on CFLs and LEDs with the potential of 18 

## encouraging more people to use the incandescent 19 

## technologies. 20 

## I mean you have no control over that it's 21 

## exempted and then afterwards it's some way treated as 22 

## a different class that you can't touch but there -- IEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## did have concerns setting the standards on CFLs too 2 

## high will encourage more of the 72 watt incandescent 3 

## replacement type of bulbs which use more energy. 4 

## That's just something to consider when you compare 5 

## the economics of alternatives, thank you. 6 

## MR. CYMBALSKY: This is John from DOE. 7 

## Can you kind of quantify what you mean by too high it 8 

## would be helpful? A number would be good. 9 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Well one of the problems I 10 

## have with just glancing through this analysis is I 11 

## feel like there is a lot of overly optimistic 12 

## assumptions embedded in the study. You have got lamp 13 

## lives of like 17 years in a home environment. I'm 14 

## not sure any lighting product is going to last 17 15 

## years. There are lots of reasons other than -- lots 16 

## of reasons lamps can fail or be replaced. I think -- 17 

## I don't have a specific number but I've seen a lot of 18 

## optimistic assumptions how long the products will 19 

## last which are not realistic in this type of consumer 20 

## environment and just I would -- I don't have a 21 

## specific number but I think there needs to be caution 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional comments here, 2 

## yes Mike? 3 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan for the 4 

## California IOU's and I had that same concern 5 

## originally and I guess what I was thinking DOE's 6 

## response would be I want to throw into the mix here 7 

## to confirm it. But my understanding is that DOE 8 

## structured this whole analysis on the premise that 9 

## the back stop will kick in at 45 lumens per watt so 10 

## the concern that you raised would be taken care of by 11 

## the back stop. Please correct me if I'm wrong DOE. 12 

## MR. CYMBALSKY: Yes so the back stop is 13 

## the rock right so that happens if DOE doesn't do 14 

## anything so yes, that has to be factored into the 15 

## analysis. That's why the reason for my asking what 16 

## too high was. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you John. Additional 18 

## thoughts, comments here before we move on? 19 

## MR. CYMBALSKY: I did I wanted to comment 20 

## on Don's lifetime question since we have a few 21 

## manufacturers here in the room. Are you suggesting 22 

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## too high or are you saying that there are just kids 2 

## knock over a lamp and cause them to fail prematurely 3 

## or -- because I have some incandescent bulbs in my 4 

## house that are 14 years old now, came with the house, 5 

## they are in places that don't get used very often but 6 

## there's a 60 watt lamp in my attic that I turn on 7 

## once a year and it's 14 years old and still going so. 8 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage. It's not 9 

## that they don't last the rated condition, the lab is 10 

## that a consumer home environment is a more hostile 11 

## environment and I don't think lamps necessarily are 12 

## going to last as long as being shown in the analysis. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Keith? 14 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook with Philips. The 15 

## problem we have got is the fact that so much is 16 

## predicated upon lumen maintenance and the life has 17 

## been tied into this lumen maintenance even though the 18 

## rest of the electronics, there's no standards yet for 19 

## measuring the life of those and so the result I think 20 

## some of the products they are coming out today where 21 

## they are trying to get the cost down, I don't know 22 

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## They may have good lumen maintenance but 2 

## the rest of the electronics is suspect and until we 3 

## come up with a standard on how to measure that I 4 

## can't tell you how long they are going to last. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes please Dave? 6 

## MR. GATTE: Dave Gatte, Westinghouse. 7 

## Yeah, I think I'm kind of where Keith is in there's a 8 

## component issue that we are still working out and 9 

## there are some -- I saw some of our Caliper results 10 

## last week. In real life a fixture might get 11 

## replaced, some consumers will keep the bulb that they 12 

## had some of them won't. Some of them will be buying 13 

## integrated SSL fixture so that bulb may not go into 14 

## another socket because they don't have another socket 15 

## to put it in. 16 

## I do think and it just came up in the fan 17 

## rulemaking that as DOE finalizes standards, Keith 18 

## talked about this in the last lamp meeting, there's a 19 

## balancing act that we all kind of follow which is 20 

## life, lumen maintenance, component cost, consumer 21 

## price. Consumer price for LED, particularly LED is 22 

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## have all the hair CFL does, people want to buy it so 2 

## as prices come down consumer adoption goes up. 3 

## One of the ways prices come down is if you 4 

## are going to put 15,000 hours on the lamp or 25,000 5 

## hours on the lamp instead of 50 or 100 you can select 6 

## components that might fail sooner in a not once a 7 

## year application like you described John, where maybe 8 

## they are in an outdoor light that is on 10 hours - 12 9 

## hours a day or in a commercial application so I would 10 

## just kind of reiterate what Don said it isn't that I 11 

## think that product won't last we should be cautious 12 

## in setting standards that we can find that balance of 13 

## product quality, energy savings and a price consumers 14 

## can live with because I think that's what is going to 15 

## make the difference on the energy savings you guys 16 

## want to derive. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay Joe? 18 

## MR. HOWLEY: So just one last and Joe 19 

## Howley, GE -- one way to think about it is a lamp 20 

## might last 17 years but you can't assume that every 21 

## lamp placed in a socket will last 17 years. So if 22 

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## in goes 17 years that analysis is probably a stretch 2 

## in terms of what you are really going to experience. 3 

## What the overall market is really going to 4 

## experience over that time period so there has to be 5 

## some allocation for the fact that some will last a 6 

## much shorter period of time then that length of time. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Keith you have additional 8 

## comment? Noah? 9 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz with NRDC. 10 

## In terms of how long a bulb is going to last, a bulb 11 

## might be rated to last 25,000 hours hence how the 12 

## person uses it, did they leave it on all the time or 13 

## 3 hours a day. We are talking about averages here in 14 

## general and to the extent Don you are right that the 15 

## bulb is taken out at year 12 instead of year 17 for 16 

## whatever reason. I don't think that should change 17 

## the assumptions we are making here because what bulb 18 

## -- 12 years from now if that bulb was replaced it's 19 

## probably going to be replaced with a bulb as 20 

## efficient or even more efficient in the future as 21 

## LEDs become more efficient and lower cost so I don't 22 

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## and make them much shorter. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Tom Eckman? We have a 3 

## comment from -- 4 

## MR. GERKE: Yeah this is Brian Gerke from 5 

## LBNL. Most of the issues that have been brought up 6 

## so far in this discussion about lifetime are 7 

## considered in developing the lifetime model and we 8 

## will discuss that more this afternoon. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you for that 10 

## Tom Eckman? 11 

## MR. ECKMAN: Yeah I just want to note that 12 

## if in fact cost reduction is the driver that also 13 

## plays into the economics because if costs go down, 14 

## the lifetime can go down and you still get the same 15 

## lifetime result. So there's a trade-off between 16 

## maintaining one life and reducing the cost. If that 17 

## goes down linearly the results are unchanged 18 

## economically so there's that connection between the 19 

## two. I don't know whether it is or not but if the 20 

## principal driver is costs which I think I agree it 21 

## is, then whether the lifetime sustains itself or not 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Alex Boesenberg? 2 

## MR. BOESENBERG: Alex Boesenberg, NEMA. 3 

## One addendum to that statement is that if the cost 4 

## spurs increased adoption we offset more less 5 

## efficient sockets so it does have an overall benefit. 6 

## I mean it happens in my own home, I didn't start 7 

## buying LEDs until this year when they got below 8 

## $8.00. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, additional thoughts 10 

## on this subject matter noting that more detail is 11 

## coming later on in the presentation, okay, Aisha? 12 

## MS. HUSAIN: Okay we also wanted to note 13 

## that in general for all types of GSLs, DOE is not 14 

## considering standards for GSLs with lumens greater 15 

## than 2600 because the GSLs with luminants greater 16 

## than 2600 are currently exempt and DOE cannot 17 

## re-evaluate this exemption setting standards are in 18 

## this rulemaking. 19 

## Setting standards for other lamp types 20 

## with high lumens could result in a shift to the 21 

## exempt high lumen GSLs potentially increasing energy 22 

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## Okay so we have a few requests for comment 2 

## here, a request for comment on not including lamps 3 

## that are covered in other rulemakings which is one of 4 

## the criteria that we used. We also -- we didn't 5 

## discuss this but we also assessed that's the LED MR16 6 

## lamps are currently not suitable replacements for the 7 

## incandescent and halogen MR16 lamps and would request 8 

## comment on that. 9 

## Also, any data on market share for 10 

## integrated lamps with bases other than screw bases 11 

## and then the last request comment and market share 12 

## data for non-integrated lamps with bases other than 13 

## screw bases and pin bases would be helpful. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes please Dave? 15 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 16 

## Lighting. Well something else I just want to thank 17 

## and acknowledge to you we agreed with not considering 18 

## products that are covered under another rulemaking. 19 

## This is already complicated enough without making it 20 

## even worse. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, Joe Howley? 22 

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## 5. Issue 6 we would also agree that MR16 lamps 2 

## should not be covered in this rulemaking and there 3 

## are still being developed to be a suitable 4 

## replacement for the other technologies and on the 5 

## non-integrated lamps, there are certain types like 6 

## the GU24 pin based that are designed to go in similar 7 

## fixtures, integrated GU24's as screw base lamps. 8 

## However, the pin based lamp category for CFLs 9 

## generally are not a replacement for a screw based 10 

## integrated lamp. 11 

## Pin based go in dedicated fixtures and 12 

## dedicated ballasts are mostly for the most part 13 

## commercial products. Consumers are not buying these 14 

## and these have been around for probably 20 years or 15 

## so and they have never been used to any large extent 16 

## by homeowners, nor are they easy for use as a 17 

## replacement. You would have to buy a dedicated 18 

## fixture to use them and these fixtures just are not 19 

## that popular. They are popular commercially but they 20 

## are not that popular residentially and we would not 21 

## support including these -- I know you proposed this 22 

## as one of your classifications but this is not anEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## area that we think makes sense as a reasonable 2 

## replacement for again screw based lamps that are 3 

## between 310 and 2600 lumens, operating 120 to 130 4 

## volts, these pin-based technologies just are not a 5 

## good replacement for that or they would have been 6 

## used in those applications many years ago. There are 7 

## a lot of reasons why they are not used in those 8 

## applications. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay Keith Cook? 10 

## MR. COOK: Yes it's really what Joe said. 11 

## This is Keith Cook from Philips. It's not money you 12 

## can't take a conventional layout that's got a screw 13 

## in base and replace it with one of these pin bases, 14 

## you just physically cannot do it so it doesn't really 15 

## meet the definition of general service. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts, 17 

## comments here. Did we address issue 7 sufficiently? 18 

## Additional thoughts, okay. 19 

## MS. HUSAIN: So in summary DOE is 20 

## considering establishing standards for the following 21 

## GSLs: the integrated non-reflector medium screw 22 

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## lumens; the GU24 base lamps with the same lumen 2 

## output; the non-integrated, non-reflector pin based 3 

## CFLs with the same lumen output range. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Noah? 5 

## MR. HAROWITZ: Noah Harowitz with NRDC. 6 

## We understand the rulemaking is complicated by the 7 

## existence of the rider. To overstate the obvious to 8 

## the extent the rider goes away we would expect DOE to 9 

## review the coverage here of other base types, lumen 10 

## outputs above 2600 for example and other things. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. 12 

## MS. HUSAIN: So here we wanted to note 13 

## some of the definitions that we are considering in 14 

## this rulemaking to support the standards. These are 15 

## listed here and we would request comment on these 16 

## definitions for the terms in particular DOE requests 17 

## comments on the definition of colored lamp which DOE 18 

## is considering defining as a lamp having a CRI less 19 

## than 40 or having a CCT that is less than 2200K or 20 

## greater than 7000K. 21 

## MR. HOWLEY: So on the colored lamp 22 

## specifically we will have more comments, we need toEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## review these definitions more within the industry and 2 

## will provide some comments in our written comments 3 

## but just a reaction on the colored definition. That 4 

## definition has been used successfully for linear 5 

## fluorescent lamp technology since I think '95 and it 6 

## does tend to push lamps into areas that define the 7 

## colored space or what people view as not white light 8 

## anymore but colored light and so it would seem 9 

## logical that it would continue to work for either 10 

## compact fluorescent and/or for LED for similar 11 

## reasons. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts on 13 

## definitions at this point? Noting that this is the 14 

## kind of thing that DOE really appreciates your 15 

## detailed written comments on, yes additional thoughts 16 

## before we move on? Okay. 17 

## MS. HUSAIN: So now we get into the 18 

## metrics for medium based CFLs. As mentioned there 19 

## are already standards in place for medium based CFLs 20 

## in addition to efficacy these include lumen 21 

## maintenance at 1,000 hours, lumen maintenance at 40% 22 

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## In this rulemaking DOE has the ability to 2 

## revise these existing 5 metrics and can consider 3 

## adding CRI, power factor, operating frequency, start 4 

## time and also any other metrics that would save 5 

## energy, be cost effective and improve consumer 6 

## satisfaction. So DOE is considering changes to 7 

## medium base CFL metrics and these are shown in this 8 

## table so the existing standard column is what is 9 

## existing and the next column shows what is being 10 

## considered. 11 

## As a change in this rulemaking DOE is 12 

## considering revising the existing efficacy 13 

## requirements for medium based CFLs and will outline 14 

## these more in the engineering discussion. We are 15 

## also considering maintaining the current lumen 16 

## maintenance requirements and they adequately capture 17 

## issues of lumen depreciation. 18 

## DOE is considering updating the rapid 19 

## cycle stress test requirements and lifetime 20 

## requirements. Additionally DOE is considering adding 21 

## requirements for power factor, CRI and start time and 22 

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## on the market meet these requirements and further the 2 

## updated and new metrics also align with Energy Star 3 

## and the market tends to shift towards products that 4 

## can meet Energy Star requirements. 5 

## So issue 8 is a lot of requests for 6 

## comments on these changes, the metrics. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Dave? Let's go back to the 8 

## preceding slide. 9 

## MR. GATTO: Thanks you did it, so Dave 10 

## Gatto, Westinghouse. Just a question can we define 11 

## or has it been defined, and it might be in the TSD I 12 

## apologize I haven't finished the whole thing but 13 

## what you mean by fully illuminated because one 14 

## second start times per CFL is fine but to be at 100% 15 

## of rated lumens I have to go back and look at that. 16 

## Energy Star thinking -- somebody may be 17 

## more familiar, I think it's 80% you are for instant 18 

## start is 80% of lumen output at 1 second or less so I 19 

## just want to make sure that if we use that definition 20 

## that we are real clear about what we mean by it or 21 

## you are going to find that there aren't any products 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you. Joe do you 2 

## want to -- 3 

## MR. HOWLEY: Yeah again this is something 4 

## I think we need to have more discussion within the 5 

## industry on these points. I will note that 6 

## traditionally we have set the life -- the minimum 7 

## federal life a couple of thousand hours under Energy 8 

## Star. So for many years it was 6,000 hours minimum 9 

## to sell an 8,000 for Energy Star. Energy Star is 10 

## supposed to be promoting a higher quality type of 11 

## product and we may want to still continue to leave 12 

## some space on the lifetime of 2,000 hours since 13 

## Energy Star currently is at 10,000 and perhaps a 14 

## better minimum life to sell would be 8,000 again 15 

## leaving some separation between some of the minimum 16 

## qualities to sell versus the Energy Star premium 17 

## qualities to sell. We will discuss this in industry 18 

## and have more on our written comments. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay Noah? 20 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz, NRDC. We 21 

## support the updating of the performance requirements 22 

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## we think is the right one. In terms of power factor 2 

## we will be providing additional comments regarding 3 

## the proposal of .5. Not shown here is to take a look 4 

## at the test methods, the current language I believe 5 

## often used is the sample size of 5 and Energy Star is 6 

## up to 10 so we need to reference the current test 7 

## methods not the one that was based on earlier 8 

## legislation, thank you. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, okay. Yes 10 

## Keith? 11 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook with Philips. I'm a 12 

## little concerned with what Noah just stated. He 13 

## pointed out that there is alignment with Energy Star 14 

## and my concern is the fact that Energy Star by 15 

## definition is supposed to only represent the top 25% 16 

## of the marketplace as far as performance is concerned 17 

## so now all of a sudden we have thrown away 75% of the 18 

## products. This is a major concern I think. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: You see the comment boxes 20 

## there on slide 31. 21 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Doug if I can offer a 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Please Noah. 2 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz with NRDC. I 3 

## appreciate Keith's comments. Hopefully as part of 4 

## the analysis DOE could take a look at the CFL market 5 

## and see what the market share of Energy Star 6 

## qualified products are but I think we will see it's 7 

## very much higher than 25%, it's probably 75% or some 8 

## number like that. 9 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley, GE. Just to 10 

## follow-up on that I believe that probably was true in 11 

## the past but Energy Star just went into lamps 1.0 or 12 

## 1.1 now, it's a brand new specification. I think 13 

## it's unclear today as we move into application of 14 

## this new standard what percentage it is going to 15 

## represent so maybe a lower percentage, but that's an 16 

## evolving issue right now. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thanks. Yes Don 18 

## Brundage? 19 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: One final comment on Energy 20 

## Star. There are times that Energy Star has a high 21 

## percentage of the products on the market before they 22 

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## the Energy Star program is priced on the market 2 

## closer to the 20% range so that you need -- there 3 

## needs to be some room for Energy Star. 4 

## MR. CYMBALSKY: This is John from DOE, so 5 

## there's nothing preventing DOE from setting standards 6 

## either at or beyond Energy Star. We've done this for 7 

## other products so the standards analysis takes into 8 

## account what Energy Star is, but the analytics and 9 

## the numbers will be what they be in the standards 10 

## setting process so it could be that we go higher than 11 

## Energy Star, there's nothing preventing us from doing 12 

## that. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: I want to make sure that we 14 

## cover as much as possible, all these points, any 15 

## additional thoughts especially on the final 16 

## paragraph, okay additional here Joe Howley? 17 

## MR. HOWLEY: Just one last thought, Joe 18 

## Howley GE. So DOE is setting energy efficiency 19 

## regulations and we recognize DOE wants to set similar 20 

## levels or why you might want to do that on energy 21 

## efficiency, but on these quality metrics I guess 22 

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## and industry position would be that you would be at 2 

## or below any of these quality metrics which tend to 3 

## separate Energy Star. 4 

## The quality metrics don't necessarily 5 

## affect the energy use of the product but they are 6 

## there for other reasons. I don't know if that 7 

## affects DOE's thinking or not or if they separate how 8 

## they view the energy efficiency metrics versus these 9 

## other non-energy efficiency related quality metrics. 10 

## MS. HUSAIN: I just wanted to note that 11 

## for lifetime we did look at products on the market 12 

## regardless of Energy Star qualifications and we did 13 

## find them at that 10,000 but a lot of the other 14 

## quality metrics aren't reported in like marketing 15 

## information for the lamps so if you have any input 16 

## there you can provide where the industry is for the 17 

## majority of the market or you think it is for those 18 

## other metrics, that would be helpful in your 19 

## comments. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, okay we are 21 

## moving on. 22 

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## present methodology and results for the analyses 2 

## conducted in this preliminary analysis and these are 3 

## shown here in this diagram. And we will start with 4 

## the market technology -- the Market and Technology 5 

## Assessment and Screening Analysis, I keep going. So 6 

## the purpose of the Market and Technology Assessment 7 

## is to identify technology options that improve lamp 8 

## efficacy and to also determine product classes. 9 

## Technology options identified are then evaluated 10 

## against four criteria which are that the option is 11 

## technologically feasible, that it is practical to 12 

## manufacture, and install, service on a commercial 13 

## scale. It doesn't have any adverse impacts on 14 

## utility to consumers or availability. It does not 15 

## have any adverse impacts on health or safety. 16 

## Those technology options that are not 17 

## screened out are analyzed as design options in the 18 

## Engineering Analysis. 19 

## So let's start with product classes. DOE 20 

## divided covered products into classes by type of 21 

## energy used, capacity of product or any other 22 

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## impact consumer utility. A separate standard has 2 

## been set for each of the categories of products. 3 

## In its rulemaking DOE is considering 4 

## separate product classes for integrated and 5 

## non-integrated GSLs. An integrated lamp contains 6 

## all components needed for starting and stable 7 

## operation while a non-integrated lamp can have 8 

## components that are external to it and designed to be 9 

## replaceable. 10 

## Integrated lamps offer consumers a utility 11 

## in that they are compact in size and require one lamp 12 

## unit replacements. There is also an impact on 13 

## efficacy due to the additional components and 14 

## circuitry in integrated CFLs for example, which are 15 

## self-ballasted are likely less efficacious than 16 

## non-integrated CFLs which have an external ballast. 17 

## DOE is considering establishing 18 

## definitions for integrated lamp and non-integrated 19 

## lamp as shown here in this rulemaking. 20 

## MR. HOWLEY: Again, the industry will 21 

## provide more detailed comments on this but just my 22 

## first reaction on your non-integrated lamp is thatEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## that definition is way too broad. I mean saying that 2 

## it's not an integrated lamp means it's anything else 3 

## in the world and I think we need to provide within 4 

## the scope of what we are covering here what a 5 

## non-integrated lamp is, not just any other lamp 6 

## thanks. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you that will be 8 

## useful. Additional thoughts on these definitions? 9 

## MS. HUSAIN: For the integrated product 10 

## class DOE is also considering a product class 11 

## division based on lumen package. DOE found that high 12 

## lumen lamps currently on the market are not at the 13 

## same level of efficacy as the lower lumen lamps. 14 

## High lumen lamps offer a utility in general lighting 15 

## application so DOE is considering a high lumen 16 

## product class for lamps between 2,000 and 2,600 17 

## lumens and the lower lumen product class would be 18 

## between 310 and 1,999 lumens. 19 

## For the high lumen product class DOE 20 

## determined the lower bound of 2,000 based on the 21 

## lumens equivalent to 120 watt -- 125 watt 22 

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## Star 1.1 which defines 125 watt incandescent to be in 2 

## the lumen range of 2,000 and 2,549 lumens. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Dave? 4 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 5 

## Lighting. We -- so I would say I would agree that 6 

## lumen bins is the right way to go. I'm a little 7 

## concerned that and we can definitely within the 8 

## formal comments. I'm a little concerned with up to 9 

## 1999 might be a little high, it's really for LED it's 10 

## a size issue so you can hit those numbers but clearly 11 

## you have found that for a general service application 12 

## you can't even find a lamp above 2,000 or likely you 13 

## can't find very many that's a medium base socket. 14 

## But even when you get above 1,600 - 1,800 15 

## lumens the physical size is the concern, it's not 16 

## going to fit so I just would ask DOE to consider to 17 

## try to provide some comments back through NEMA but 18 

## you might have set the bar a little too high just 19 

## because of the physical size considerations. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Joe? 21 

## MR. HOWLEY: I also note that the current 22 

## regulations also use a lumen bin type of approach butEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## they have 4 lumen bins which more logically follows 2 

## the common lumen buckets used by consumers, that 3 

## being lumens at 40 watts, lumens at what were 4 

## traditionally provided by a 40 watt lamp, lumens 5 

## provided by a 60 watt, lumens provided by 75 watt and 6 

## lumens provided by 100 watt. 7 

## Although 2 bins are being proposed here, 8 

## it may be more logical to look at the 4 bins that are 9 

## being used today versus just 2 bins. Again we will 10 

## look at this more and provide some further comments, 11 

## thanks. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Noah? 13 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz with NRDC. 14 

## We support the approach that is shown here. We are 15 

## open to further discussion and refinement if needed 16 

## of the upper-bound should it be 1999 or some slightly 17 

## lower number to match the market, we are not opposed 18 

## to that. We are opposed to the comment made by my 19 

## colleague from GE of going for 4 bins. We think 20 

## that's a mistake, the current standards have these 4 21 

## bins and we have seen a lot of gaming that's resulted 22 

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## earlier prefer adoption of this approach and also 2 

## that the use of a smooth continuous curve for the 3 

## regulations, thank you. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you additional 5 

## thoughts, contributions on these points? 6 

## MS. HUSAIN: So now we will discuss 7 

## technology options. The following are technology 8 

## options DOE is considering for improving the efficacy 9 

## of CFLs. These include options such as highly 10 

## emissive electrical coatings, efficient fill gases 11 

## and phosphors. DOE also considered options of 12 

## improving the ballast components and ballast circuit 13 

## design which in turn improve lamp efficacy. 14 

## Another technology option is also a change 15 

## to a more efficient lamp technology such as LEDs. 16 

## Of these options for CFLs DOE is screening out 17 

## multi-photon phosphors which is in red which consist 18 

## of emitting more than one visible photon for each 19 

## incident of UV photon -- this technology option is 20 

## screened out based on technological and feasibility 21 

## as it's still in the research phase. 22 

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## options that can improve the efficacy of LEDs. 2 

## These include options such as more efficient down 3 

## converters which convert the narrow wavelengths 4 

## emitted by LEDs into white light. 5 

## Another technology option is improved 6 

## package architecture. There is also technology 7 

## options aimed at improving the thermal management of 8 

## LEDs, improving driver efficiency and minimizing or 9 

## removing the use of secondary optics. 10 

## Of these LED technology options the ones shown in red 11 

## have been screened out so while efficient down 12 

## converters remain a design options, the use of 13 

## quantum dots as efficient down converters is screened 14 

## out due to technological infeasibility as it seems to 15 

## be still in the research phase. 16 

## Improved emitters were also screened out 17 

## based on technological infeasibility as research into 18 

## improving green emitter efficiency is still ongoing. 19 

## AC powered LEDs which integrate power conversion 20 

## into the package that is requiring fewer additional 21 

## components and minimizing efficiency losses. 22 

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## integrated into lamps DOE screened out this 2 

## technology option due to practicability to 3 

## manufacturer install and service. 4 

## So the next slide is just comments on 5 

## technology options, product classes, design options, 6 

## you can go back to this slide. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Mike? 8 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan, one of 9 

## the California IOU's. My, excuse me, my read of the 10 

## TSD was that DOE did not screen out quantum dot and 11 

## nanophosphor technologies, has this changed since 12 

## the publication of the document or am I misreading 13 

## it, it says on page 2-47 there's a paragraph at the 14 

## top of that page that talks about various 15 

## technologies that have been introduced to the market 16 

## that DOE has confidence in. 17 

## MS. HUSAIN: I don't have it in front of 18 

## me but what I did hear was the efficient down 19 

## converters as a whole weren't screened out but the 20 

## specific use of quantum dots as an efficient down 21 

## converters were screened out because they were still 22 

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## that's what maybe you are confusing. I would also 2 

## look at Chapter 3 it has a greater explanation. 3 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Okay thank you. 4 

## MS. HUSAIN: And Chapter 4 as well. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: And perhaps members of 6 

## industry could comment whether this is getting more 7 

## mainstream or whether it is still Joe? 8 

## MR. HOWLEY: Just an overall comment is 9 

## that CFL technology, many of these technology options 10 

## listed have been used over the years to improve the 11 

## efficiency of CFLs but they are certainly an older 12 

## technology now and there's very little space left in 13 

## that technology to continue to make large 14 

## improvements. 15 

## LEDs obviously are a newer technology 16 

## where there may be more technology advancements that 17 

## will occur but CFLs many of these have already been 18 

## attempted and optimized, general comment. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe do you or someone else 20 

## want to comment on the LED technology options that 21 

## are listed? Noah? 22 

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## In terms of quantum dots, new TV's are starting to 2 

## use quantum dots and have LED back lights so I 3 

## encourage the DOE to take a look at the availability 4 

## of quantum dot technology in LEDs and TV's. It's 5 

## not in the research phase those are starting to hit 6 

## the market are those technologies applicable to 7 

## general lighting applications, I don't know the 8 

## answer but it would be good to consider that. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 10 

## MR. STEPHENS: Charlie Stephens, NEEA. We 11 

## are talking here about a standard that is going to go 12 

## into effect in pretty much 2020, you know the 13 

## beginning of 2020 so I think in spite of the fact 14 

## that some of these technologies are early in the game 15 

## as Noah just pointed out they are in use in some 16 

## places, they are being developed and we've got 17 

## another year here to go between now and when DOE 18 

## publishes a NOPR and I think the stuff is moving fast 19 

## enough and being commercialized fast enough that 20 

## there will be more information available long before 21 

## the final rule becomes an issue so I would encourage 22 

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## at least take into account all the information that 2 

## is developed between now and the NOPR. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you yes Keith? 4 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook with Philips. Noah 5 

## is right quantum dots is being used in TV's. It is 6 

## being very closely monitored within the lighting 7 

## industry. The trouble is I can't sell a lamp for 8 

## thousands of dollars which they do on TV's. The 9 

## problem we got faced with is that we are trying to 10 

## maximize the adoption of this technology and by 11 

## increasing the cost we now go in the exact opposite 12 

## direction of where we need to be. 13 

## As we try and look out further downstream 14 

## we don't know where quantum dots are going to be from 15 

## a cost perspective. Today it is prohibitive, but 16 

## somehow we have got to maximize energy efficiency 17 

## versus the market adoption of these technologies and 18 

## cost is number one in the market. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay yes Mike? 20 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan, the 21 

## California IOU's and I appreciate Keith's comment. I 22 

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## I just think that at this stage the screening 2 

## analysis cost is not one of the parameters that DOE 3 

## is supposed to consider in terms of whether or not a 4 

## technology option makes it even into the analysis. 5 

## And from my read maybe there's more detail 6 

## in Chapter 3 which I didn't see but in Chapter 2 DOE 7 

## makes that pretty clear. In all of these actually -- 8 

## well I haven't found AC LEDs yet but quantum dot and 9 

## phosphor are proved emitter materials DOE has several 10 

## paragraphs outlining the reasons why it is including 11 

## them in this analysis and we support those reasons 12 

## for the same points that Charlie and Noah made. We 13 

## would encourage you to keep these at least at this 14 

## stage in the running for technology options. 15 

## MS. HUSAIN: Yeah all of these listed on 16 

## the table are included as technology options. The 17 

## ones -- the distinction is the ones in red are not 18 

## then included as design options and they are screened 19 

## out. From the design options are not based on cost, 20 

## but they are based on actually seeing a prototype or 21 

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## in other applications and can be used in lamps to 2 

## improve efficacy they would be considered as a 3 

## technology option, but we would want to see that they 4 

## can also be used in lamps or there is some prototype 5 

## or information available that could indicate that to 6 

## be considered a design option. 7 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: So DOE found an R30 LED 8 

## lamp from Nexxus Lighting using quantum dots. 9 

## MS. HUSAIN: Yeah I think the issue with 10 

## that was that was no longer -- it was discontinued as 11 

## well. 12 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Okay. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts on 14 

## these technology options? 15 

## MS. HUSAIN: So that is actually then the 16 

## end of Market and Tech. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: We may have covered the 18 

## comment boxes sufficiently. 19 

## MS. HUSAIN: Yeah sure. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Why don't you put the 21 

## comment box back up there take a peek see if there 22 

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## on, okay let's move on. 2 

## MS. HUSAIN: So I'll hand it over to 3 

## Maureen for Engineering. 4 

## MS. KIENLE: All right good morning my 5 

## name is Maureen Kienle and I'm with Navigant. We are 6 

## going to get started with the Engineering Analysis 7 

## now. Sure -- DOE used the following general 8 

## methodology to develop the engineering for GSLs. Of 9 

## the product classes identified DOE first selected 10 

## representative classes to directly analyze. DOE then 11 

## selected baseline lamps for each representative 2* 12 

## product class to use as reference points. 13 

## After that for each baseline lamp DOE 14 

## identified more efficacious substitutes based on 15 

## design options identified in the Screening Analysis. 16 

## DOE then developed candidate standard levels or CSLs 17 

## that span the range of efficacy from baseline to the 18 

## maximum technologically feasible level. 19 

## Finally DOE would then scale results to 20 

## product classes not directly analyzed if needed. 21 

## However, in this preliminary analysis DOE directly 22 

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## was necessary. 2 

## As stated earlier DOE is considering 3 

## standards for three product classes. Integrated 4 

## GSLs with lumen output from 310 to 1,999 lumens, 5 

## integrated GSLs with lumen output from 2,000 to 6 

## 2,600 lumens and non-integrated GSLs with lumen 7 

## output from 310 to 2,600 lumens. 8 

## DOE is considering directly analyzing all 9 

## product classes based on market volume and unique 10 

## technical characteristics. DOE next identified 11 

## baseline lamps for each product class. The baseline 12 

## lamp typically represents the most common least 13 

## efficacious model on the market that just meets 14 

## existing energy conservation standards when 15 

## applicable. 16 

## On this slide the baseline lamps with the 17 

## integrated low lumen and integrated high lumen 18 

## product classes are listed. On this slide sorry -- 19 

## DOE first determined the most common characteristics 20 

## of the product classes such as lumen output range, 21 

## CCT and lifetime. 22 

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## characteristics DOE selected the least efficacious 2 

## product that met existing standards for medium based 3 

## CFLs as the baseline in each product class. 4 

## The baseline lamp for the integrated low 5 

## lumen product class which is listed on this slide 6 

## first is the 60 watt equivalent replacement lamp 7 

## which typically has a lumen output in the range of 8 

## 700 to 900 lumens. The baseline lamp for the 9 

## integrated high lumen product class is a 125 watt 10 

## equivalent replacement which generally has a lumen 11 

## output in the range of 2,000 to 2,600 lumens so 12 

## that's the second one listed. 13 

## On this slide the baseline lamp for the 14 

## non-integrated product class is listed. The same 15 

## methodology was used as the integrated product 16 

## classes to select the baseline lamp. DOE identified 17 

## the common characteristics of the non-integrated 18 

## product class and then among those lamps selected the 19 

## least efficacious product on the market, since the 20 

## product class does not have any applicable existing 21 

## standards. 22 

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## baseline unit selected for each of the product 2 

## classes. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: What are your thoughts on 4 

## these baseline units? Nothing here, yes Noah? 5 

## MR. HOROWITZ: If you could go to Slide 6 

## 42. Noah Horowitz, NRDC. I'm curious for the 7 

## integrated low lumen row is that meant to be the 8 

## equivalent of the conventional 60 watt light bulb and 9 

## if so you are showing initial lumens of 750? 10 

## MS. KIENLE: Yes. 11 

## MR. HOROWITZ: And the conventional 12 

## incandescents were 800 - 850 lumens? 13 

## MS. KIENLE: We found that in general as a 14 

## range so like I mentioned around 700 to 900 lumens 15 

## was about where we were seeing the traditional 60 16 

## watt incandescents and their equivalent replacements 17 

## so this is on the I guess the lower end of that range 18 

## but it still seemed to be generally acceptable. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts on 20 

## these baseline units? 21 

## MR. HOWLEY: This is just a question about 22 

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## ranges you are going to have lower efficiency. Does 2 

## the curve that you are creating is it sort of 3 

## centered then this part of the curve is set up at the 4 

## 750 lumen range or how does that work? 5 

## MS. KIENLE: Right so we actually have a 6 

## graph of the curve later so it's probably a bit 7 

## easier to see. We have the lamps plotted against 8 

## that but what you will see is that it is continuous 9 

## and it picks up you know starting at -- we don't 10 

## actually graph where the baseline lamp is but it does 11 

## account for that, what that wattage is so all of the 12 

## wattages are covered which is lumen output in this 13 

## case on our X axis. 14 

## MR. HOWLEY: So where that lumen output is 15 

## that matches the curve. Or the curve matches this 16 

## efficiency I guess for a 750 lumen lamp. 17 

## MS. KIENLE: Right so like I said we don't 18 

## draw a curve at the baseline but it will account for 19 

## you know that range of lumen output yes. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. 21 

## MS. KIENLE: Okay so DOE next identified 22 

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## selected. When identifying more efficacious 2 

## substitutes DOE selected lamps that either saved 3 

## energy or did not increase energy consumption 4 

## compared to the baseline, had light output within 10% 5 

## of the baseline lamp or lamp system when possible 6 

## and had characteristics similar to the baseline lamps 7 

## such as the base type. 8 

## In the integrated product classes the DOE 9 

## also ensured that more efficacious LED substitutes 10 

## were omnidirectional in order to maintain the even 11 

## distribution of light output and ensure that the 12 

## lamps can be used in the same application as the 13 

## baseline lamps. 14 

## The table on the slide presents the more 15 

## efficacious substitutes for the integrated low lumen 16 

## and the integrated high lumen product classes. The 17 

## baseline lamps for each product class are the lighter 18 

## shade of green and the substitute lamps are shaded 19 

## darker green. As you can see on the integrated low 20 

## lumen product class the baseline and the first 21 

## substitute lamp are CFLs the remaining more 22 

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## lamps. 2 

## In the integrated high lumen product class 3 

## the baseline and its more efficacious substitutes are 4 

## all CFLs. In both product classes wattage decreases 5 

## for each more efficacious lamp replacement. 6 

## The more efficacious of the two identified 7 

## in the non-integrated product class are presented on 8 

## this slide. The baseline lamp again here is the 9 

## lighter shade of green. The baseline lamp and its 10 

## substitutes are a double tube, non-integrated CFLs 11 

## with G24Q-33 bases. The first more efficacious 12 

## substitute was the same wattage as the baseline but 13 

## has a higher lumen output and the second more 14 

## efficacious substitute has a lower wattage and a 15 

## slightly lower lumen output. The reduction in lumen 16 

## output from the baseline lamp to this reduced wattage 17 

## substitute is actually slightly greater than 10%. 18 

## And in Issue 14 DOE requests comment on 19 

## the criteria used in selecting more efficacious 20 

## substitutes and the characteristics of the lamps 21 

## selected. In particular, DOE is requesting comment 22 

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## may have lumen output within 10% of the baseline lamp 2 

## or lamp and ballast system. 3 

## And then for the integrated product class 4 

## DOE also requests comment on its assumption that more 5 

## efficacious substitutes must be omnidirectional. And 6 

## the last part of this request for a comment is for 7 

## the non-integrated product class. DOE requests 8 

## comment on its assumption that the base type must be 9 

## maintained for the more efficacious substitutes. 10 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe Howley? 11 

## MR. HOWLEY: Okay so a couple of comments, 12 

## Joe Howley GE. A couple of comments on the proposal 13 

## -- first I note that since your baseline lamp is a 14 

## covered CFL it seems like the next most efficient 15 

## lamp that you are listing there is a spiral CFL so 16 

## they are used in different applications for different 17 

## purposes and of course removing the cover from a CFL 18 

## lamp will increase its efficiency. You will get more 19 

## light out of it but a standard that basically removes 20 

## a lamp type you don't think is an appropriate 21 

## standard to go from a covered to a spiral and 22 

## basically claim energy savings based on that. TheyEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## are two different lamps used for two different 2 

## purposes. 3 

## Then further having the class of CFLs and 4 

## LEDs in the same classification, not having them 5 

## separated, as you move up the chain you basically 6 

## eliminate the entire CFL technology, only LEDs can 7 

## meet those higher classes. It would seem more 8 

## appropriate to have 2 separate classes, one for CFLs 9 

## going to what their maximum technology would be and 1 10 

## for LEDs because they would have different baseline 11 

## lamps, they certainly would have different 12 

## efficiencies or projected efficiencies over time. 13 

## Putting them together essentially almost 14 

## says that you are looking at a situation again where 15 

## you eliminate a product class and I believe that's 16 

## one of the criteria is not to eliminate an entire 17 

## product class with this regulation. 18 

## On the pin based, I note that there are 2 19 

## options there. One has slightly higher lumens but 20 

## the same exact wattage with that kind of calculation 21 

## no energy is saved. You do get a slightly more 22 

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## is still 26 watts. 2 

## Then going to the next stage where you 3 

## simply drop the wattage to a lower wattage lamp and 4 

## lower lumens beyond 10% we also don't believe it is 5 

## an acceptable substitute. A lot of these are 6 

## commercial applications that are designed to very 7 

## specific light levels for specific application needs. 8 

## There may be the OSHA requirements for light levels 9 

## in these hallways or wherever these are used which is 10 

## very common. 11 

## Dropping them below 10% also is not a 12 

## viable option from our standpoint. That being said 13 

## we clearly do not believe there are significant 14 

## opportunities to save energy in a pin based area and 15 

## also continue to have the view that the pin based 16 

## lamps really should not be included in this analysis 17 

## which is aimed at primarily screw based medium screw 18 

## based lamps. 19 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 20 

## Lighting. I kind of second Joe on the CFL piece 21 

## having two product classes might make more sense. 22 

## One of the concerns I would have in the way this isEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## laid out and it's even in the TSD that you are 2 

## considering LED as a replacement option -- it's one 3 

## of the technology options to replace CFL. The volume 4 

## of integrated CFLs, screw based CFLs, is in those 5 

## lower lumen bins so the challenge that you would 6 

## create there is that if you eliminate that product 7 

## class but you still need the higher lumen bins to be 8 

## available to consumers, I don't know that from a 9 

## manufacturing standpoint whether the economy of scale 10 

## still exists because you are taking that really the 11 

## 13 watt is the biggie but the 13, 18, 23 watt away 12 

## but you are still expecting the manufacturers and 13 

## consumers to have availability of 32 watt lamps so I 14 

## would just be cautious of that. 15 

## I hadn't really thought about it until I 16 

## heard Joe speak it and it hit me that you could end 17 

## up eliminating so much of the volume associated with 18 

## these particular products that the one that you want 19 

## to preserve gets kind of caught in the backlash. 20 

## The other thing is on pin based and I'm 21 

## not the expert here but you either have no energy 22 

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## of more is acceptable to consumers but even if it is 2 

## these are ballast driven products so I don't know 3 

## particularly in the 2 pin application if you can 4 

## actually put a reduced wattage lamp in and have it 5 

## operate properly. 6 

## 4 pin lamps they can be dimmed so I'm 7 

## assuming that there's a little bit more flexibility 8 

## there but the 26 watt 2 pin that you selected that 9 

## moving toward the lower wattage might not actually be 10 

## technically feasible. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts. 12 

## MS. KIENLE: Okay non-integrated CFLs 13 

## operate on a ballast in practice therefore DOE 14 

## analyzed lamp and ballast systems in the Engineering 15 

## Analysis in order to capture real world energy use 16 

## and light output. 17 

## As discussed in the scope section DOE is 18 

## not currently considering establishing standards for 19 

## non-integrated LED lamps and therefore only considers 20 

## non-integrated CFL and ballast systems in those 21 

## analyses. DOE used manufacturer input and conducted 22 

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## non-integrated CFL ballast by starting method number 2 

## of lamps operated, and mode of operation. 3 

## As a result of this assessment DOE 4 

## determined that one lamp program start electronic 5 

## ballast are the most common ballast type paired with 6 

## non-integrated CFLs in the market today. 7 

## When developing lamp and ballast systems 8 

## DOE tried to select a ballast model to pair with 9 

## lamps that would be representative of the system that 10 

## would most likely to be installed in 2020. The same 11 

## ballast model was paired with each of the 12 

## representative units analyzed. 13 

## When identifying a ballast model DOE found 14 

## that the vast majority of non-integrated CFLs had a 15 

## normal ballast factor and therefore selected a 16 

## ballast model with a ballast factor of around 1 as 17 

## noted on the slide. 18 

## DOE also selected a ballast model of 19 

## average efficiency measured in terms of ballast 20 

## luminous efficiency or BLE. After selecting the 21 

## ballast model DOE then calculated the input powers of 22 

## the systems which are shown on the slide here.Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## In Issue 15 DOE requests comment on the 2 

## lamp and ballast systems selected for the 3 

## non-integrated product class. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe? 5 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley, GE. I just will 6 

## note on these systems is that the ballasts are 7 

## usually paired with the lamp so the ballast is 8 

## designed to either operate a very specific wattage 4 9 

## pin lamp or a very specific 2 pin lamp. They often 10 

## would have a very specific base and this is to keep 11 

## lamps from being improperly put on the wrong ballast 12 

## because the ballast is expecting to see a 26 watt 13 

## lamp or an 18 watt lamp and so the base are pinned in 14 

## such a way and keyed in such a way that they don't 15 

## fit within one another so it prevents a maintenance 16 

## person from sticking or putting an 18 watt lamp -- 17 

## let's say on a ballast or on a fixture that is 18 

## designed for a 26 watt lamp because it would 19 

## overdrive that lamp and produce other potential 20 

## safety and performance issues. 21 

## And so the key -- there's a fairly 22 

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## lamps to keep them from being interchangeable so they 2 

## are not interchangeable which gives you again very 3 

## little opportunity, very few options to save energy 4 

## in this pin based ballast application area. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Keith? 6 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook with Philips. If 7 

## you are assuming and rightly so that a ballast has to 8 

## go with a particular lamp, if you then are requiring 9 

## that if you replace the lamp with a more efficacious 10 

## lamp you have to replace the ballast. A large 11 

## percentage of these things are in can lights and it's 12 

## almost impossible to get to that ballast so this 13 

## would be a major problem. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you. 15 

## MS. KIENLE: Yes so I just wanted to 16 

## clarify quickly just for this example. Our 17 

## representative system, we insured that that ballast 18 

## was compatible with the 26 watt and the 21 watt that 19 

## was used so we are assuming that you wouldn't 20 

## actually have to replace the ballast but we can 21 

## certainly take that into consideration that if you 22 

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## pretty difficult. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Dave? 3 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 4 

## Lighting. I think the concern I have there is that 5 

## we would be expecting the user to know and that's 6 

## almost impossible. It's not the kind of information 7 

## that they readily have available especially in an 8 

## installed fixture system. One to one they 9 

## understand, when you send somebody in and now they 10 

## have to pick a lamp that may or may not work with 11 

## their ballast, and may or may not present a safety 12 

## issue if it doesn't work that would be a big concern 13 

## for me. 14 

## That you are making an assumption here, at 15 

## least it seems like you are that the consumer would 16 

## know whether or not they could swap out lamps and if 17 

## a standard is passed where the original wattage isn't 18 

## available then to Keith's point you are now in a 19 

## situation where the consumer would be forced to put a 20 

## new fixture in. These are not typically field 21 

## replaceable ballasts. 22 

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## MR. STEPHENS: Charlie Stephens, NEEA. I 2 

## guess I have to ask a question then what I am looking 3 

## at here is -- or what I saw was nominal rated or 4 

## rated wattage and nominal wattage and I'm looking at 5 

## a G24Q-3 base and I'm looking at a lumen -- a nominal 6 

## lumen range so if I own one of these cans and I go to 7 

## my local wattage supplier are we suggesting that if 8 

## he hands me one of these lamps it might not work? 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Dave? 10 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse. 11 

## Yeah Charlie I'm not 100% sure but I believe and this 12 

## is in the TSD typically consumers -- because of that 13 

## concern whether to a maintenance guy, an electrician, 14 

## this is not really a consumer product or residential 15 

## product, they are replacing wattage for wattage 16 

## because they either know they can or they are afraid 17 

## to try, does that make sense? 18 

## MR. STEPHENS: It kind of does except you 19 

## know I own some of these and when I go to replace the 20 

## lamps I'm looking for a G24Q-3, 4 in my case, base. 21 

## I'm looking for a particular base and a particular 22 

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## look at the wattage. 2 

## MR. GATTO: But I guess my question would 3 

## be are you looking at lumen range? 4 

## MR. STEPHENS: Yeah. 5 

## MR. GATTO: Typically the packaging has 6 

## that information but wattage is the -- my 7 

## understanding of it again I can let anybody explain 8 

## here that the average replacement purchase it is 9 

## wattage based, at least that's my understanding and 10 

## that's suggesting that that's not always the case and 11 

## possibly not yours but I think where I get a little 12 

## nervous is we are assuming everyone is as 13 

## knowledgeable and educated as you are and that should 14 

## be a call to service. 15 

## MR. STEPHENS: Well actually I think I 16 

## agree with you when it comes to screw ins but you 17 

## know you discover fairly quickly if you own one of 18 

## these things that if you don't get the base right you 19 

## know what Joe was eluding too with all of these -- 20 

## the questions knobs and things that stick out and 21 

## have to fit in the slot and everything else. If you 22 

## don't get that right it doesn't work but if you doEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## get it right I presume it's going to work so to me if 2 

## it's got the right base and it fits into the socket 3 

## and the lumen range that's why I use that if it's got 4 

## the right base and it fits in there then I assume 5 

## it's going to work with my ballast and if it's got 6 

## the right -- approximately the right lumens then it's 7 

## the right lamp. 8 

## What I'm hearing right now is that maybe 9 

## it's not. 10 

## MR. GATTO: Yeah Dave Gatto, Westinghouse. 11 

## As I said earlier I'm definitely not the expert here. 12 

## We make the lamp but not the ballast. My experience 13 

## has been that we have had customers try and fit the 14 

## wrong bulb in the wrong ballast and had the bulb come 15 

## back so I don't make ballasts, I don't know whether 16 

## or not it's always true that if it fits the base it 17 

## works with the ballast. I'm just telling you that my 18 

## guess is not 100% and my experience is that you get 19 

## lamps back. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Tom? 21 

## MR. STIMAC: Tom Stimac, GE. I think 22 

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## the assumption that if it fits in the slot it 2 

## automatically is exactly the same thing and that's 3 

## just not true. So we have to be very careful and 4 

## when you start dealing especially with energy 5 

## efficiency you start changing technologies or how 6 

## everything is made, performance is automatically 7 

## going to be a trade-off. 8 

## So if you think that every CFL that is a 9 

## G24Q-3 and I just put it back in there, chances are 10 

## will it work when you first turn it on yes, but if 11 

## you have it on a dimmer or it's on a different type 12 

## of situation or a system associated with it, it might 13 

## -- you can't guarantee that it will be 100% 14 

## compatible. That's why a lot of these are paired 15 

## together and they are sold paired because that's -- 16 

## from a commercial point of view they try to keep them 17 

## in that vein. 18 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 19 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz, NRDC. I 20 

## think we need to challenge or take a harder look at 21 

## the assumption that the lamp won't work with the 22 

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## different and I think in this case if anything the 2 

## replacement lamp if you went to the bottom CSL level, 3 

## the wattage would be lower rather than higher so we 4 

## are not imposing a safety risk here. 5 

## And in terms of consumers hey it's not 26 6 

## watts it's 21 watts, they are not going to buy it. 7 

## Industry is very used to and doing a very good job 8 

## guiding consumers with screw based bulbs. 72 watts 9 

## equal 100 watts so you could do some equivalency 10 

## there. Again I agree with Charlie. 11 

## What's the shape or the configuration of 12 

## the base, will it fit or not. They often bring that 13 

## pin based lamp to the store and say I want one of 14 

## these and if the watts are slightly different I think 15 

## it shouldn't be an issue, thank you. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah Joe, go ahead. 17 

## MR. HOWLEY: So my concern on safety 18 

## wasn't the compatibility. Generally if it fits the 19 

## key way it will likely be compatible for most 20 

## applications. The issue is more of safety with 21 

## regard to OSHA requirements or minimum light level 22 

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## hallways, the original designer, these are designed 2 

## typically by professionals because this is mostly a 3 

## commercial lamp, not residential, residential is much 4 

## more flexible and typically not designed rather than 5 

## just placed in a space. 6 

## But they are designing it to meet certain 7 

## requirements that are required in those commercial 8 

## facilities for safety and if it drops the light 9 

## level, you may have a safety concern with regard to 10 

## meeting OSHA exit lighting requirements, things of 11 

## that nature that you are running into when you drop 12 

## this light level, just to save energy. That's my 13 

## concern more about the safety issue. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie a final comment 15 

## before we move on? 16 

## MR. STEPHENS: Yeah just to respond to 17 

## Joe's comment. I'm Charlie 18 

## Stephens, we have been doing lighting programs now 19 

## for almost 30 years and most of the buildings we are 20 

## in, almost every one of them is grossly over lit to 21 

## start with. By definition even when they are 22 

## designed right they are over lit because they areEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## designed to meet those safety requirements even if 2 

## you don't change the lamp when the lumens reach 70% 3 

## of their rated -- initial output so almost every 4 

## space we come into that's been designed is grossly 5 

## over lit to start with. 6 

## So we see possible lumen reductions if you 7 

## actually design it right, of 20 and 30% sometimes so 8 

## I can pretty much be assured that a 10% or an 11% 9 

## reduction is not going to put anybody in jeopardy or 10 

## put you in any kind of a common situation where you 11 

## are not putting enough light on the floor or in the 12 

## stairwell or whatever, they are grossly over lit to 13 

## start with. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe? 15 

## MR. HOWLEY: My only comment to that is I 16 

## am referring to the spaces that are not grossly over 17 

## lit so there's going to be a variety of spaces so I 18 

## am concerned about those not the ones that are over 19 

## lit. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay well I'm moving on, 21 

## okay Mike go ahead. 22 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan,Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## California IOU's. I just had a question about how 2 

## DOE structures its analysis when it does -- and this 3 

## table is a little bit different format than the last 4 

## few because it lists CSL1 on multiple rows so you 5 

## have identified 2 candidates or reference, you know, 6 

## lamps that would be available at CSL1 so how does 7 

## that feed into other stages of the analysis? 8 

## You do it 50/50 just to assume -- do all 9 

## the calc's with one lamp and then all the calc's with 10 

## the other lamp? 11 

## MS. KIENLE: So I think my colleagues at 12 

## LBNL will get into that a little bit more later on 13 

## but no I don't think it's an even distribution 14 

## between the 2 lamp options. There's a shipment 15 

## percentage designated. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Maureen, no Colleen 17 

## please? 18 

## MS. Kantner: Colleen Kantner, Lawrence 19 

## Berkely National Lab. Just to answer your question: 20 

## we illustrate the lifecycle costs for both lamp types 21 

## separately, but when calculating the LCC savings and 22 

## the national impact we do take into account theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## expected market share of each type and we did find 2 

## that the lower-lumen-output lamps were much less 3 

## likely to be adopted, so that's reflected in those 4 

## analyses. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Colleen. 6 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Okay then I have a tack 7 

## on comment that's actually -- it applies to 2 tables 8 

## prior but it will come up again when we get to that 9 

## section and that is for the primary product class 10 

## that we are talking about, the non -- or integrated 11 

## low lumen -- this table. So I think when we get 12 

## there later each of those rows there's going to be a 13 

## different CSL but my comment would be that there are 14 

## -- each CSL can have multiple lamp types that meet it 15 

## so CSL1 can be met by a CFL or an LED and CSL2 even 16 

## though it's identified as LED here could also be met 17 

## by a CFL. 18 

## As far as I know there are products at 67, 19 

## 68, 69 lumens per watt that are CFLs so hopefully 20 

## DOE can talk about that later but I would -- my 21 

## comment or suggestion would be that your analysis of 22 

## CSL1 isn't just looking at that CFL because there areEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## other products that would meet CSL1 that would be 2 

## sold there, the same for CSL2, thank you. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you, now we are 4 

## moving on. 5 

## MS. KIENLE: Okay so we will get into the 6 

## CSLs now that DOE is considering. So DOE used 7 

## commercially available lamps and their associated 8 

## catalogue efficacies to determine the CSLs, then to 9 

## establish final minimum efficacy requirements for 10 

## CSLs DOE evaluated 2 things, whether any adjustments 11 

## were necessary to the initial CSLs to insure lamps 12 

## were available across the entire lumen range 13 

## represented by the product class and also publically 14 

## available compliance and testing verification 15 

## databases to ensure that the CSLs were achievable. 16 

## For the non-integrated product class DOE 17 

## also confirmed that the CSL under consideration would 18 

## not force a fixture change or a base type change for 19 

## consumers. 20 

## For the integrated product class DOE is 21 

## considering establishing CSLs based on the equation 22 

## for efficacy that uses lumens as the input. DOEEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## utilized a data base of the catalogue efficacies of 2 

## commercially available lamps to evaluate efficacy 3 

## trends across a range of lumen output in order to fit 4 

## a curve. 5 

## DOE confirmed the curve matched product 6 

## performance particularly in the low and high ends of 7 

## the GSL lumen range -- the resulting equation form 8 

## which is a decaying exponential as shown on the first 9 

## bullet on the slide. 10 

## After identifying more efficacious 11 

## substitutes DOE calculated the A value of the 12 

## equation which shifts the curve up or down using the 13 

## catalogue lumen output and the catalogue efficacy for 14 

## each representative lamp unit that was selected. 15 

## DOE then evaluated the equations against lamps with 16 

## the same design option as the representative lamp 17 

## unit for each CSL and made slight adjustments to 18 

## capture the efficacy of lamps with those design 19 

## options across the entire lumen output range. 20 

## This allowed for continuous CSLs across 21 

## the integrated product classes. The resulting 22 

## equations for the integrated low lumen and integratedEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## high lumen product classes are presented in a table 2 

## on this slide. 3 

## And on this slide the CSLs for the 4 

## integrated product classes are graphed. The vertical 5 

## dash line represents the division between the low 6 

## lumen and the high lumen product classes, and as you 7 

## can see CSL1 and CSL2 are continuous across the 8 

## product classes and so at CSL1 in the low lumen and 9 

## high lumen product classes, that can be achieved by 10 

## an improved CFL with more efficient phosphors and 11 

## improved ballast components. 12 

## CSL2 is represented by a basic LED lamp in 13 

## the low lumen product class and an advanced CFL in 14 

## the high lumen product class. CSL2 is the maximum 15 

## technologically feasible level for the high lumen 16 

## product class. 17 

## CSL3 is represented by an improved LED 18 

## lamp with characteristics such as improved package 19 

## architecture, optics and high efficiency driver. 20 

## CSL4 is represented by an advanced LED lamp which 21 

## improves upon these characteristics even further and 22 

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## currently available on the market. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 3 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah with NRDC. Could you 4 

## please go to Slide 45? I think that spells out the 5 

## comments by my colleague Michael to my left. If you 6 

## look at the second row for spiral, that's the CFL and 7 

## that's I think although not shown here CSL1 and the 8 

## row below it is CSL2 and whether you add another CSL 9 

## whether it's 1A or 2A or 2B, we think there should be 10 

## a high efficacy so call it 66.7. Some CFLs could 11 

## meet it and leave the lifetime at 10 or 12,000 hours, 12 

## don't jump to 25,000. This gets to the comment from 13 

## my colleague from the Southern Company. 14 

## We don't think the intention here is to 15 

## eliminate CFLs and we think that there's another 16 

## more efficacious option for CFLs beyond those that 17 

## are shown here. So in summary we would like to see 18 

## consideration of a high efficacy call it the 66.7 but 19 

## at the lifetime that's in CSL1, thank you. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. 21 

## MS. KIENLE: Okay for the non-integrated 22 

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### 1 

## establishing CSLs based on an equation for efficacy 2 

## that uses lumens as the input. DOE used the rated 3 

## efficacy which is initial lumen output divided by 4 

## ANSI rated wattage for the non-integrated product 5 

## class. 6 

## DOE used a similar methodology as the 7 

## integrated product class to develop the CSLs. Again 8 

## DOE first utilized a data base of commercially 9 

## available lamps to evaluate the efficacy trends 10 

## across a range of lumen outputs in order to fit the 11 

## curve, the resulting equation form is in the first 12 

## bullet here. 13 

## DOE then confirmed the curve that matched 14 

## product performance particularly in the low end and 15 

## the high end of the lumen range. After identifying 16 

## more efficacious substitutes DOE calculated the A 17 

## value of the equation for each of the representative 18 

## lamp units. 19 

## DOE also ensured that the impacts of CSL1 20 

## are consistent across the lumen output range of the 21 

## entire product class. The resulting CSL for the 22 

## non-integrated product class is presented in thisEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## slide. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Susan? 3 

## MS. CALLAHAN: Susan Callahan, Osram 4 

## Sylvania. What data base did you use? 5 

## MS. KIENLE: So we compiled the data base 6 

## of -- and it was like I mentioned before it was based 7 

## on catalogue data first so we used the lumen output, 8 

## the initial lumen output and then for this particular 9 

## product class the ANSI rated wattage to calculate 10 

## efficacy. 11 

## MS. CALLAHAN: Susan Callahan, Osram 12 

## Sylvania. So with a product that doesn't have a test 13 

## procedure we're using catalogue data as opposed to 14 

## any other data-base where we know that everyone did 15 

## the measurements the same way? 16 

## MS. KIENLE: Right so catalogue data was 17 

## used for all of the products here as a basis of the 18 

## analysis. Okay and then on this slide the CSL for 19 

## the non-integrated product class is graphed. CSL1 is 20 

## represented by a full wattage, improved CFL with more 21 

## efficient phosphor and a more efficient reduced 22 

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## So as you can see the A value of the full 2 

## wattage representative lamp unit is used to set the 3 

## minimum efficacy requirements of CSL1 because it 4 

## represents the maximum technologically feasible level 5 

## that applies across all lumen packages within this 6 

## product class. 7 

## Okay and we have a few issues for comment 8 

## on this slide. In Issue 16 DOE requests comment on 9 

## the CSLs under consideration for the integrated and 10 

## non-integrated product classes including the max-tech 11 

## levels. In Issue 17 DOE request comment on the 12 

## methodology used to develop the CSL equations and in 13 

## particular DOE requests comment on the use of a 14 

## lumens-based equation and the equation form itself. 15 

## And Issue 18 DOE requests comment on its 16 

## assumption that fixture compatibility would not be a 17 

## common issue for non-integrated replacements. DOE 18 

## also requests comment on its assumption that consumer 19 

## utility will not be lost with the base types that 20 

## remain at CSL1. 21 

## And Issue 12 DOE requests comment on the 22 

## data approach including additional data-bases thatEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## should be considered. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Mike? 3 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan, 4 

## California IOU's. I just want to comment the 5 

## Commission -- the Department on its curved approach, 6 

## the equations are a much more appropriate way to 7 

## regulate these lighting products than the bins so 8 

## thank you. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, yes Keith? 10 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook from Philips. When 11 

## you put together this data-base and you summarized it 12 

## in these charts like on number 45, when you chose a 13 

## maximum let's say efficacy of let's say 75.9 you show 14 

## a lifetime of 12,000 hours is that for the same lamp 15 

## or did you just sort out the maximum efficacy and 16 

## that was one manufacturer and then the maximum 17 

## lifetime was a different manufacturer but you still 18 

## put them into this chart? 19 

## MS. KIENLE: No, those would be the 20 

## characteristics of one particular model that was 21 

## looked at as a representative unit. 22 

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## MS. KIENLE: Um-hum. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Dave? 3 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 4 

## Lighting. I'm kind of coming off of where Keith and 5 

## I think Susan might have been. I guess the use of 6 

## catalogue data always makes me a little nervous when 7 

## we are setting a standard. So it's that whole 8 

## outlier conversation if you have one particular 9 

## manufacturer that's you know, being a bit aggressive 10 

## with their feature benefits storied and capture 11 

## market share to set themselves apart, that isn't 12 

## necessarily what the product performance is and 13 

## without actual test data, you know it's really tough 14 

## to know if what we are setting is a legitimate number 15 

## in any of those, you know categories, whether it be 16 

## CRI you know LPW or lifetime so I just would ask DOE 17 

## to be considerate of making sure that either 18 

## excluding the outliers which I know you have done in 19 

## the past or making sure that the final standard 20 

## allows room for common differences between you know 21 

## manufacturers and also high volume manufacturing. 22 

## If you have somebody that's a specialtyEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## house that does one thing and does it really well, 2 

## that doesn't always translate to high volume 3 

## manufacturing. The only other thing I would say is 4 

## that I kind of just want to second I think where Noah 5 

## was. I don't know what the right CSL is but if it's 6 

## possible to preserve CFLs, I said CSL the first time 7 

## and I did just repeat myself, I think that would be 8 

## good for consumers and I think for the industry as 9 

## well and would allow a wider product assortment. 10 

## The only thing I would say is the reason I 11 

## don't know which the right CSL is is because of the 12 

## spiral versus covered lamp like Joe talked about. 13 

## There are efficiency differences simply because you 14 

## are capturing some of that light output from the 15 

## internal spiral and I would suggest that we want to 16 

## find a level that allows covered products to be 17 

## manufactured. There are applications where they are 18 

## necessary. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay Noah? 20 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah with NRDC. If you 21 

## could please go to Slide 52, the general comments 22 

## here, we are hoping that DOE is able to think in aEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## forward looking way in terms of LEDs they are 2 

## evolving very, very quickly. They are becoming more 3 

## efficacious and lower cost at the same time which is 4 

## not the usual way one thinks that these things are 5 

## working. As the individual LED becomes more 6 

## efficient you don't need as many of them, you don't 7 

## need as much heat sink, you can get rid of the heat 8 

## sink. 9 

## A smaller form factored all of these 10 

## things result in lower cost and more efficient 11 

## products. So as you do this analysis we are hoping 12 

## you are not taking a static picture of where things 13 

## were today or 6 months ago, but looking forward. 14 

## And the reason that I bring that up is if 15 

## you look at this chart, CSL3 to 5 it's implied that 16 

## only LEDs would make it and yet you are not 17 

## predicting that LEDs will get any better or be able 18 

## to deliver more than 2,000 lumens. If you go back 2 19 

## years ago the typical LED capped out at 800 lumens so 20 

## the 60 watt equivalent. 21 

## Then the 75 watt equivalent came into the 22 

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## equivalents so about a 1,650 lumens and one could 2 

## well expect that well before 2020 we will see lamps 3 

## that can hit 2,000 and above as LEDs thank you. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Joe. 5 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley, GE. I'll just 6 

## note that both Dave's comments and Noah's comments 7 

## support this idea that CFLs and LEDs should be in 2 8 

## separate product classes because of the vast 9 

## difference in technology that both of those areas 10 

## represent, one being very mature and one being still 11 

## in an evolving stage, thank you. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you. Let's 13 

## return to 55 -- 14 

## MS. KIENLE: Sorry can I just add one 15 

## request. If you could just submit in written comment 16 

## any type of utility that would support an argument 17 

## for creating 2 separate product classes for CFLs and 18 

## LEDs that would be really helpful. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 20 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Just sorry to get us off 21 

## track here. I just one to respond to Joe's comment 22 

## as NRDC and the other advocates we're not necessarilyEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## suggesting there should be 2 separate classes, we are 2 

## just stating that we need to think of how LEDs will 3 

## evolve. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah, Don Brundage? 5 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage, Southern 6 

## Company. I think one of the things that I'm a little 7 

## concerned with is to use things like lifetime hours 8 

## or we are saying lumens in such a way to eliminate 9 

## the CFLs. I mean there may come a day that they are 10 

## an obsolete technology but we are not there yet and 11 

## there are enough differences and performance 12 

## characteristics, things like low temperature, high 13 

## temperature operation that they need to both be in 14 

## the market. I don't know that there's enough 15 

## differences to justify a separate class, but I think 16 

## that you need to be careful to not set the criteria 17 

## where you don't have a broad -- you are not allowing 18 

## both the products and the broad range of the products 19 

## to exist, thank you. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you, take a peek 21 

## at these comment boxes and see if there is anything 22 

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## We have covered a lot of ground this morning already. 2 

## It's now almost 11:00 so we are going to take a 15 3 

## minute break. I think those of you are -- most of 4 

## you are familiar with the way things work here in the 5 

## Forrestal Building, you must have some sort of 6 

## identification badge visible above your waist. There 7 

## are restrooms on both sides of the hall, there's a 8 

## coffee shop on the ground floor, almost directly 9 

## beneath us on the other side of the hall. If you are 10 

## going to go for coffee please go quickly and we will 11 

## resume back here at 11:15 okay thanks for a good 12 

## start on the day. 13 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay please take your 2 

## seats. As I said before we went to break we have 3 

## really covered a lot of ground and really appreciate 4 

## the quality of the comment and we are going to 5 

## continue in that same vein and take it back to 6 

## Maureen Product Price Determination. 7 

## MS. KIENLE: Okay so we will now cover the 8 

## Product Price Determination. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 10 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz. A quick 11 

## process question, we did introductions would it be 12 

## possible to know who is on the line and have them 13 

## introduce themselves? 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Maybe we could read off the 15 

## individuals by name, Alex yes? Wait, we need a 16 

## microphone for Alex. And there are a few individuals 17 

## in the room that did not get a chance to introduce 18 

## themselves at the outset so maybe we will do that as 19 

## well, Alex you are next. 20 

## MR. KROWKA: Alex Krowka, Energetics 21 

## Incorporated. On line right now we have 18 22 

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## Mizolek, Dominic Wannakay, Erik Page, Jim McMahan, 2 

## Johnny Green, Karen Ryder, Kevin Dombrowski, Liana 3 

## Wallace, Linda Wilson, Michael Meyer, Rick Ho, Robert 4 

## Hosback, Robert Lingold, Sharon Baker-Branstetter, 5 

## Taylor Janetz-Sell. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Noah? 7 

## MR. HOROWITZ: I was also curious what the 8 

## organization is if that's not too time consuming. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: That will be in the record. 10 

## A few individuals did not get a chance to introduce 11 

## themselves at the onset. 12 

## MR. FOSTER: Chuck Foster representing the 13 

## Edison Electric Institute. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Andrew? 15 

## MR. DELASKI: Andrew deLaski, Appliance 16 

## Standards Awareness Project. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Anybody else who would like 18 

## to introduce yes please? 19 

## MS. AMANN: Jennifer Amann, ACEEE. 20 

## MR. ROSENBERG: Alex Rosenberg, National 21 

## Electrical Manufacturers Association. 22 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Great and so Brenda hasEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## already handed out a copy of the business cards that 2 

## were obtained when you checked in, that's probably 3 

## almost complete, close to being complete. And once 4 

## again the Department of Energy is pleased to have so 5 

## many individuals joining the meeting via the web. I 6 

## was speculating that I think DOE should get some 7 

## credit for scope 3 emissions reductions or something 8 

## like that, anyway, something. Okay to Maureen. 9 

## MS. KIENLE: So we are going to cover the 10 

## Product Price Determination now. For this analysis, 11 

## DOE estimated the end user prices of GSLs directly 12 

## rather than developing manufacturer selling prices. 13 

## Because lamps are difficult to break down to discreet 14 

## components and reverse engineer. 15 

## Because blue book price data was not 16 

## available for all GSLs DOE instead used publically 17 

## available retail prices to develop end user prices 18 

## for each CSL. Retailer's prices were collected and 19 

## averaged for each representative lamp unit and 20 

## corresponding lamps with similar characteristics at 21 

## each CSL. 22 

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## for each distribution channel was developed because 2 

## DOE observed a large range in end user prices 3 

## depending on the distribution channels through which 4 

## the lamp was purchased. 5 

## DOE identified 4 main distribution 6 

## channels. Specifically small consumer based 7 

## distributors including internet retailers, grocery 8 

## stores and drug stores. Large consumer based 9 

## distributors including home centers, hardware stores 10 

## and mass merchants, electric distributors and state 11 

## procurement contracts. Based on estimated shipments 12 

## through each channel a weighting was applied to each 13 

## of the distribution channel prices to help develop an 14 

## average weighted end use price for lamps at each CSL. 15 

## DOE used different shipment percentages 16 

## for integrated lamps and non-integrated lamps because 17 

## integrated lamps are more commonly used in the 18 

## residential sector and non-integrated lamps are more 19 

## commonly commercial products. 20 

## In Issue 19 DOE requests commend on the 21 

## methodology and results for estimating end user 22 

## prices for GSLs. DOE also requests comment on theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## distribution channels and estimated percentage of 2 

## shipments through each channel and those shipment 3 

## percentages are shown on this slide. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes please Noah? 5 

## MR. HOROWITZ: I don't know if this 6 

## comment is appropriate now or later. If you go to 7 

## Slide 66 you are showing a base cost for CSL, zero 8 

## for a CFL of $6.00 and if you go to retail big box 9 

## stores which dominate your analysis which we think is 10 

## appropriate, those are $1.50 or $2.00 in a multi-pack 11 

## and then when you go to the more efficient CFL the 12 

## cost is lower not higher and I'm wondering what the 13 

## assumptions were there. 14 

## MS. KIENLE: So to answer the second point 15 

## with the lower cost at CSL1, so the product at the 16 

## baseline is a covered product which was pointed out 17 

## earlier as well and we did find that there is a 18 

## difference in price between covered lamps and spiral 19 

## lamps so that is what you are seeing there. 20 

## MR. HOROWITZ: If I understand this right 21 

## then CSL1 is you are assuming today what a bare 22 

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## MS. KIENLE: That's correct. 2 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Okay thank you. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: And what about the 4 

## multi-packs? I've seen them too? 5 

## MS. KIENLE: Yeah so we factor in prices 6 

## on a per unit basis and we would gather prices from 7 

## all of the retailers that we discussed already so 8 

## prices should be accounted for but it is a per unit 9 

## cost. 10 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, let's return to Slide 11 

## 57, question please Don Brundage? 12 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Since you do have some 13 

## functional differences i.e. fashion and where you can 14 

## actually use a lamp difference between a covered and 15 

## a bare spiral, is there any consideration of setting 16 

## up a different product class for the covered versus 17 

## the -- covered in this case means a covered lamp not 18 

## a covered under CFR 430 which is kind of confusing. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Below a configuration 20 

## or something? 21 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: But it would seem like 22 

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## between the two that you might consider setting up a 2 

## separate class for those which would avoid this very 3 

## weird CSL1 cheaper than CSL0 thank you. 4 

## MS. KIENLE: So we talked about this a 5 

## little bit previously and I think in the last public 6 

## meeting as well we did consider a separate product 7 

## class for covered lamps at the framework stage but 8 

## then removed it this time around and a few of the 9 

## reasons given we welcome you know additional comments 10 

## if you have something else but in particular there 11 

## are LED lamps which are more efficient that have that 12 

## covering as well, so we look you know pretty similar 13 

## so if there is something else besides that utility or 14 

## just the aesthetics we welcome that in comment. 15 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Keith? 16 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook with Philips. And 17 

## you know you need to understand that one of the 18 

## biggest advantages is now to the covered CFL is the 19 

## fact that it eliminates the concerns about the 20 

## mercury because they are almost unbreakable and so 21 

## you can drop them without any problems. That doesn't 22 

## apply in LED cases. It's unique to the CFL andEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## there's really a huge market for them. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you yes? 3 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: But your statement 4 

## indicates that it's sort of trivial that there's an 5 

## aesthetic difference. So that it's fundamental if 6 

## you have a bare spiral there are many applications 7 

## consumers will not be using them where they would 8 

## whereas a visible lamp. So it's not a trivial 9 

## consideration to consumers, and I think that there's 10 

## been separate product classes set up for less 11 

## sub-standard issues than this, thank you. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Mike? 13 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan, 14 

## California IOU's. Can you talk a little bit about 15 

## how you collected price data from retailers and you 16 

## know specifically how much you collected and from 17 

## which retailers? Is that all published in the TSD? 18 

## MS. KIENLE: So I would say a lot of that 19 

## information is published in the TSD but I can speak 20 

## to it a little bit more now too. In general we 21 

## collected information from a vast majority of the 22 

## different distribution channels that we mentioned soEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## I know your big box retailers, online, I think 2 

## there's close to 50 different internet retailers. 3 

## All of the big box stores like I mentioned, state 4 

## procurement contracts, basically anything that we 5 

## could find the publically available price for it was 6 

## taken into consideration for any of the lamps that we 7 

## have collected catalogue information for as well. 8 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: And are there specific 9 

## data points in the TSD or just the averages rolled 10 

## up? 11 

## MS. KIENLE: It would just be the averages 12 

## in the TSD. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: We haven't received any 14 

## comment yet on the distribution channels, the 15 

## percentages, could someone comment about whether 16 

## these are on the right track here or not? Joe? 17 

## MR. HOWLEY: Just, we haven't looked at 18 

## these exactly but I think your statement of on the 19 

## right track is probably appropriate. They seem to be 20 

## reasonably on the right track without looking at the 21 

## exact sales data. 22 

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## Andrew deLaski? 2 

## MR. DELASKI: I want to come back to the 3 

## question of so we have a bunch of sources for price 4 

## data and then I guess the next question is how did 5 

## the 6 

## Department weight them? How do you figure out how to 7 

## weight them because it's the sales data that is hard 8 

## to get a hold of, figure out how to weight them and 9 

## go back to all of our observation that we lost in 10 

## CFLs typically if you want to get some CFLs you get 11 

## 5 in a multi-pack for ten bucks or something like 12 

## that. 13 

## So the price points are higher than what I 14 

## think many of us have observed in the real 15 

## marketplace for your average price. 16 

## MS. KIENLE: Sure so for the -- we are 17 

## talking about I think the low lumen integrated GSLs 18 

## right now in particular. The integrated GSL is the 19 

## first row here so these are the weightings that we 20 

## used so the small consumer based distributors would 21 

## put in things like the internet retailers, grocery 22 

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## base so your Home Depots, Walmart, Target were in 2 

## that 75% weighting right there. 3 

## And then the electric distributors were 4 

## 10%, state procurement were the 5% so we gathered all 5 

## the prices for each of those distributions channels 6 

## and then calculated the average and weighted the 7 

## prices by that. 8 

## MR. DELASKI: And just to follow up, you 9 

## walk into Lowe's or Home Depot or Target whatever, 10 

## you see CFLs at a bunch of different price points, 11 

## you know including multi-packs we are talking about 12 

## or single packs and there's a whole bunch of 13 

## different flavors. How do you deal with all these 14 

## different flavors and you can buy one for as I said 15 

## the multi-pack or you can buy a single for $8.00 or 16 

## $9.00, you know, the bulk of this in the market. 17 

## MS. KIENLE: Right so what we would do is 18 

## look at just their representative units and then 19 

## similar lamps. So we collected those prices so 20 

## anything that's similar to that 60 watt equivalent at 21 

## CSL1 that we talked about already. We would collect 22 

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## so similar CCT, CRI, lifetime, and things that would 2 

## factor into the prices and we tried to normalize for 3 

## that and then computed an average. 4 

## So we collected you know the high end of 5 

## the range and the low end of the range and computed 6 

## an average price. 7 

## MR. DELASKI: So it's straight average 8 

## then? 9 

## MS. KIENLE: It's an average that -- it's 10 

## kind of average of an average, but it is an average 11 

## of all the different you know, different places you 12 

## can get that lamp from is computed as an average and 13 

## then the weighted average is also applied. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Based on distribution 15 

## channel, Dave go ahead. 16 

## MS. KIENLE: And there's more detail in 17 

## the TSD too if I am not explaining it great right 18 

## now. 19 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse, I 20 

## think this might be where you are Andrew. You are 21 

## calling it an average but really you are talking 22 

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## any outlier segregation? I'm thinking about you are 2 

## talking about Home Depot and Lowe's where I agree 3 

## with you Andrew you might have the same bulb, could 4 

## range in price with a $10.00 difference. On-line it 5 

## could be even worse, you might see a product that may 6 

## or may not be what it says it is and may or may not 7 

## be on -- market on clearance. 8 

## But when I looked at TSD you mentioned 9 

## that you got online and then big box and you gave 10 

## that 75% weighting, how did you deal with outliers, 11 

## if you have an item, you know for example the spiral 12 

## and it's 25 cents and $19.00 did you just call that 13 

## $10.00 is that what you are suggesting? 14 

## MS. KIENLE: So we did consider outliers 15 

## so if something looked unreasonable we did kind of a 16 

## reasonableness check. We really did kind of filter 17 

## through each price individually and then we also 18 

## excluded lamps that we thought were rebated as well 19 

## so that would sometimes factor in on a really low 20 

## price as well. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie Stephens? 22 

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## what Michael might have been trying to get at and 2 

## some other people maybe is that if I go to a -- I'm 3 

## not going to name the names here but if I go to a big 4 

## box retailer who has got multiple choices of the same 5 

## lamp essentially, a 13 watt CFL let's just say. You 6 

## can buy the 6 pack or you can buy a 2 pack and you 7 

## could buy 1 and the price per unit will be different 8 

## for each one of those. How did you weight that big 9 

## box retailer's price for that lamp? 10 

## MS. KIENLE: Right so we would have 11 

## collected all of those prices and they all would have 12 

## been going into that average price. 13 

## MR. STEPHENS: But you didn't weight them 14 

## differently so you didn't weight that if a consumer 15 

## comes in and buys a 6 pack and the same number of 16 

## people come in and buy a 2 pack, you didn't weight 17 

## the 6 pack price at 3 times the weight of the 2 pack 18 

## price? 19 

## MS. KIENLE: It would have been just a 20 

## yeah -- the per unit cost so we would have calculated 21 

## what that cost was for you know, for each lamp. 22 

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## at a particular retailer and how did you separate the 2 

## online sales for those same big box retailers versus 3 

## the in store sales? 4 

## MS. KIENLE: So those were considered as 5 

## the in store price, in particular for the big stores 6 

## so if Home Depot had prices online those were 7 

## considered in the large consumer based distributor so 8 

## it really wasn't considered like an internet 9 

## retailer. Which when we think of internet retailers 10 

## we typically consider those like the convenience 11 

## channel, people just going online on like an Amazon 12 

## or E Light Bulbs or something like that and just 13 

## paying maybe a higher cost because it's more 14 

## convenient for them. 15 

## So we separated those out from those 16 

## internet retailers. If you have information too on 17 

## some kind of way to weight how many consumers would 18 

## go for a 6 pack versus a 2 pack we would certainly be 19 

## welcome for that but we didn't weight for that 20 

## specifically no. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 22 

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## want to echo what my colleagues Andrew and Charlie 2 

## have mentioned that to the extent you can come closer 3 

## to a sales weighted average even if you don't have 4 

## the individual sales of all these model numbers and 5 

## the example Charlie was driving at let's say the 6 

## thing is offered in a 4 or a 5 pack which is very 7 

## common, that price is $1.50 or $2.00 ballpark where 8 

## if you buy a 1C for whatever reason that's $5.00 - 9 

## $6.00 a bulb for the exact same bulb. 10 

## If you just took those two models and said 11 

## okay it's $2.00 and 6, the average is 4 we think 12 

## that's incorrect because you are getting -- even 13 

## though you just bought one package you are getting 4 14 

## bulbs so there's a 4 to 1 ratio and there should be 15 

## some -- that weighting should be taken into account. 16 

## A separate, more difficult question maybe 17 

## you can't get this far is what percent of the time 18 

## did people buy a 4 pack versus a 1 pack. You might 19 

## not have that but you definitely need to weight more 20 

## towards the 4 pack cost, thank you. 21 

## MS. KIENLE: Okay. 22 

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## on? I think so okay. 2 

## MS. KIENLE: Okay so I'm actually going to 3 

## turn this over now to Colleen who will take up Energy 4 

## and LCC. 5 

## MS. KANTNER: Thanks, Maureen. My name is 6 

## Colleen Kantner, I'm from Lawrence Berkeley National 7 

## Lab, and I'll be presenting the Energy Use and 8 

## Life-cycle Cost Analyses. The purpose of the energy 9 

## use characterization is to develop estimates of 10 

## average annual site energy use representative of 11 

## consumers in the U.S. Annual energy use is 12 

## determined for each efficiency level established in 13 

## the Engineering Analysis, and is based on the product 14 

## of annual operating hours and lamp input power, the 15 

## latter of which was developed in the Engineering 16 

## Analysis. 17 

## The impact of lighting controls on energy 18 

## use was taken into account and treated by reducing 19 

## overall energy use for lamps that operate with 20 

## controls, as will be discussed in a couple of slides. 21 

## In the residential sector, average hours 22 

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## using data from metering studies conducted in 2 

## various locations across the U.S. 3 

## Chapter 7 of the TSD details how these 4 

## data were extrapolated to each of the regions 5 

## analyzed. 6 

## An important context to keep in mind is 7 

## that, due to the Appropriations Rider GSILs are not 8 

## in the scope of this rulemaking, and without the 9 

## inclusion of these lamps, DOE has assumed that a 10 

## potential GSL final rule would not yield sufficient 11 

## energy savings to avoid triggering the EISA 2007 12 

## backstop. 13 

## Therefore, DOE has assumed the backstop 14 

## will take effect January 1, 2020. Given this 15 

## context, DOE has assumed that during the analysis 16 

## period, which begins January 1, 2020 simultaneous -- 17 

## with the compliance date for the back stop -- the 18 

## average hours of use for all GSLs will be the same as 19 

## the current average hours of use for all GSLs. 20 

## This is based on the assumption that the 21 

## current, higher hours of use that some metering 22 

## studies have found for CFLs are the result of theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## disproportionate installation of CFLs in sockets 2 

## with higher hours of use. This would no longer be 3 

## the case during the analysis period where CFL and LED 4 

## GSLs will be filling all of the sockets currently 5 

## filled by GSLs. 6 

## Furthermore, DOE has assumed, at least for 7 

## the reference scenario, that CFL and LED GSLs will 8 

## have the same hours of use and that hours of use will 9 

## not vary by efficiency level. Alternative scenarios 10 

## for rebound were considered in the National Impact 11 

## Analysis. 12 

## DOE found that the national, weighted13 

## average daily operating hours for the residential 14 

## sector are 2.3 hours per day. And we have a couple 15 

## of items for comment. First, DOE seeks comment on 16 

## its assumption that GSL operating hours will not vary 17 

## by light source technology during the analysis 18 

## period. And Issue 21: DOE requests any data 19 

## suggesting that the EISA 2007 back-stop criteria will 20 

## not be met. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe Howley? 22 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley, GE. Just aEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## question on that 2.3 hours a day. Is that based then 2 

## on the CFL and LED operation you found or is that 3 

## based on the incandescent plus the halogen plus the 4 

## CFL plus the LED operation that you found? 5 

## MS. KANTNER: It's based on the current 6 

## average use -- hours of use of all GSLs so that 7 

## would include incandescents, CFLs and LEDs. 8 

## MR. HOWLEY: Can you tell us how much 9 

## higher just the CFL was in this? 10 

## MS. KANTNER: 10 to 15% higher. I mean it 11 

## varied a little bit from study to study, but it was 12 

## in that range. 13 

## MR. HOWLEY: So like 2.5 hours a day, 14 

## something like that. 15 

## MS. KANTNER: Something like that. 16 

## MR. HOWLEY: Thank you. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Don Brundage? 18 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage, Southern 19 

## Company. I realize you're rather hamstringed by the 20 

## Appropriations Rider but your assumption for Issue 20 21 

## is not assuming rational economic behavior by 22 

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## the GSLs are -- that CFLs are more expensive and 2 

## last longer, tend to buy them for applications where 3 

## there is greater hours of use and continue to use 4 

## incandescents or fail to replace existing 5 

## incandescents in very infrequently used applications 6 

## such as John Cymbalsky's example earlier of a 7 

## basement light or something used a few hours of the 8 

## year. 9 

## So I realize you are somewhat hamstrung on 10 

## doing analysis but this does not seem to be a common 11 

## sense assumption that you would not think that CFLs 12 

## would not have higher operating hours. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Keith Cook? 14 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook with Philips. I 15 

## guess I would have to take exception to your 16 

## assumption here that the hours would be the same in 17 

## 2020 as they are today. The reason that I'm saying 18 

## that is two-fold. One is there is increased adoption 19 

## of ASHRAE standards which has increased controls 20 

## which does affect residential lighting and also Title 21 

## 24 and its impact in California would be significant 22 

## and will drive these numbers down going forward so IEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## think the numbers should change. 2 

## MS. KANTNER: Just to clarify, the impact 3 

## of controls will be discussed in a slide or two so 4 

## this is not yet taking into account the impact of 5 

## controls, but they were taken into account in the 6 

## Energy Use Analysis. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay we'll wait for that, 8 

## Charlie? 9 

## MR. STEPHENS: Can I just add I suspect 10 

## you probably took advantage of the data that we have 11 

## on residential use so I won't belabor that point but 12



## -- 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Consistent? 14 

## MR. STEPHENS: Pardon me? 15 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Are these consistent? 16 

## MR. STEPHENS: I think they are, you can 17 

## slice it. There were 2,200 sensors in the data that 18 

## we collected so you can slice it pretty thin and kind 19 

## of analyze it from whatever you want including 20 

## controls. But one of the things I wanted to point 21 

## out is I am assuming that everybody assumes, based on 22 

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## be met and I think that's one of the reasons you can 2 

## assume that once households and businesses pretty 3 

## much have the same level of efficiency to choose from 4 

## across the board, no matter what the light bulb is, 5 

## if it's a GSL there isn't going to be that much 6 

## difference in efficiency. I mean there will be some 7 

## difference and there may be some difference in price, 8 

## but I suspect a lot of the price differences will 9 

## shift the efficiency differences will shift and the 10 

## differences between your choices are not going to be 11 

## all that big by 2020. So I don't think that some of 12 

## what we see today in the data is going to hold after 13 

## 2018 so at least we don't assume they will, so I 14 

## don't find these assumptions to be too 15 

## inappropriate. 16 

## The other thing is that lighting controls 17 

## from what we have discovered in the field don't 18 

## necessarily translate to energy savings. In the 19 

## worst case we found in California the control system 20 

## for the house used 900 watts when the -- all the 21 

## lights were off and so it's you know, this is not you 22 

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## have discovered, collecting more and more one minute 2 

## data on this stuff to kind of determine where it goes 3 

## so I would be wary of any assumptions that there will 4 

## be energy savings from controls. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Any other comments on the 6 

## back stop assumption? 7 

## MS. KANTNER: If I could just ask a quick 8 

## follow up question. I think the commenter earlier 9 

## was explaining that he thought that there would be 10 

## different hours of use for CFLs versus 11 

## incandescents. Do you think there will be different 12 

## hours of use between CFLs and LEDs? 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Don Brundage? 14 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Perhaps but and for some of 15 

## the same reasons, LEDs I think at the present time 16 

## are more expensive than CFLs so in concept. 17 

## Although I think actually with LEDs it's a bigger 18 

## consumer criteria, and this is just anecdotal, this 19 

## is probably going to be things like they are much 20 

## longer lifetime, or hard to reach fixtures being able 21 

## to use them in cold weather conditions better than 22 

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## But I think clearly if you have a bulb 2 

## that's not going to be used very often the logical 3 

## thing would be to go to the cheapest thing available 4 

## which at the present time is still going to be the 5 

## modified incandescent. What it will be in 2020 is 6 

## pure speculation. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 8 

## MR. STEPHENS: One other thing I would add 9 

## here based on our own data, and I think Tom can back 10 

## me up on this if I'm wrong, but I think these lamps 11 

## -- we did this by fixture type by room among other 12 

## things and so you will find that most of the lamps 13 

## that we are talking about here are used in portable 14 

## fixtures which were a significant fraction of 15 

## residential use. But the next most significant 16 

## fraction of residential use was using lamps that are 17 

## not subject to this rulemaking so I don't -- once you 18 

## get away from portable fixtures and outdoor lighting, 19 

## there's quite a few of these used in outdoor 20 

## lighting, you are outside this rulemaking. 21 

## And then after that most of the rooms, 22 

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## are very low so I think this number is mostly 2 

## weighted by outdoor and portable fixtures if I am not 3 

## mistaken. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Ken Rider who is joining us 5 

## via the web has a comment. Ken un-mute your phone 6 

## and hopefully we will hear you in the room. 7 

## MR. RIDER: Hello can you hear me? 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: You sound good. 9 

## MR. RIDER: I just want to repeat some of 10 

## the comments we have submitted in writing to the 11 

## framework on this issue, which is that the question 12 

## isn't whether CFL or LED will replace one of these 13 

## sockets, but when, in the case of an EISA back stop. 14 

## In that case you have just the lamps that you guys 15 

## considered as a replacement option, so when a lamp 16 

## breaks in the closet or whether it is in the kitchen 17 

## or bedroom, when it breaks you have to find something 18 

## to replace it with and so it makes sense to apply the 19 

## average number of hours, you know the ones that are 20 

## used for going more put the price first by virtue of 21 

## the fact that they break first, but in terms of the 22 

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## once all the lamps break. Then you have got just 2 

## CFLs and LEDs. Who knows where they are going to 3 

## break and I think the average makes a lot of sense. 4 

## One other more advanced analysis you could 5 

## give is -- this wasn't really the case for 6 

## incandescents but with LEDs and CFLs they last so 7 

## long that I've actually seen rotating: essentially 8 

## where the new LEDs and the new CFLs are better than 9 

## the old ones and so when a new one is purchased, the 10 

## better one goes in the main usage situation and then 11 

## the older CFLs and LEDs they are rotated out to 12 

## other fixtures that are used less frequently. 13 

## Something you could see in like TV 14 

## replacements and consumer electronics which didn't 15 

## really exist in lighting until more recently. And 16 

## then in regards to Issue 21 the Energy Commission did 17 

## submit some estimates of how the back-stop will not 18 

## be met by just regulating CFLs and LEDs. The energy 19 

## consumption of -- or the energy savings by improving 20 

## incandescents to 45 lumens per watt are greater than 21 

## the total energy consumption of LEDs and CFLs today 22 

## and even at 50% of the market being LEDs, the energyEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## consumption in moving from incandescents to 45 lumens 2 

## per watt is great than that energy consumption as 3 

## well. 4 

## So we will continue to include that in the 5 

## comments but I was also curious if there is any 6 

## specific area or more specific aspects of that that 7 

## DOE is interested in? 8 

## MS. DEBUTTS: This is Lucy deButts. I 9 

## don't think we have any additional specificity to 10 

## highlight here. 11 

## MR. RIDER: Okay thank you. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Ken. Yes Noah? 13 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz with NRDC. 14 

## There have been lots of studies, they are very 15 

## complicated and every home is different, how many 16 

## sockets they have, which socket they use, how many 17 

## hours per day, which bulb they put in it, and you are 18 

## right, some people will think as an economics driven 19 

## decision of this one's on the most hours per day I'll 20 

## put the more efficient on it to lower my bill. 21 

## Other people are I don't like the light 22 

## quality of CFLs, whether that's justified or not, andEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## they put the incandescents in there and there are a 2 

## lot of hours per day for that. So just because it's 3 

## a CFL doesn't mean it's going to have a lot of hours 4 

## per day. LEDs may be a better solution than CFLs 5 

## although they are more expensive. Consumers may or 6 

## may not make that choice. The LED offers 7 

## dimmability. The bottom line this is really 8 

## complicated and as a gut check I think your 2.3 hours 9 

## per day is an appropriate starter. 10 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thanks. 11 

## MS. KANTNER: And just to clarify the 12 

## earlier comment from the fellow from the Northwest 13 

## Energy Efficiency Alliance: this average operating 14 

## hours didn't just come from a study in the Northwest, 15 

## this came from about 10 different studies. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes, Don Brundage? 17 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: I think there is something 18 

## to consider if the back-stop goes into effect and my 19 

## understanding if it goes, everything has to be 45 20 

## lumens per watt. I think there is probably a need to 21 

## do some carve outs based on available technology on 22 

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## bulbs. If somebody wants says a 1500 lumen bulb in 2 

## an enclosed fixture, you physically can't do that 3 

## with a lot of CFLs because they won't fit, so a lot 4 

## of lamps will not, you will not be able to put a high 5 

## lumen non-incandescent in there. 6 

## If you have a luminaire on the floor, 7 

## people don't want to have the luminaire sticking 8 

## above -- the light bulb sticking up above the top, 9 

## and these are all issues I have had in trying in my 10 

## own home -- in trying to look at trying to use higher 11 

## lumen bulbs, and in some cases I have been forced to 12 

## use incandescents because there is no product on the 13 

## market that fits these size limitations. 14 

## So if the -- I think the Department should 15 

## consider some carve out special classes of space 16 

## constraining products for higher lumen output 17 

## products because there are consumer utilities that 18 

## unless LEDs get better quickly, there are products 19 

## that will simply not be available on the market, 20 

## thank you. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Noah? 22 

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## clarification. In terms of the market, we do have 2 

## 100 watt-equivalent bulbs today that offer around 3 

## 1600 lumens as LEDs and the form factor is roughly 4 

## the same as the lower wattage, lower light output 5 

## LEDs, so they should fit. I agree with you that 6 

## CFLs, once you get at a hundred watt or above 7 

## equivalent the diameter gets larger and it may not 8 

## fit. But I think we do have a bulb that's efficient, 9 

## that would meet the standards, that would meet 10 

## consumers' needs, in the form of an LED. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, okay. 12 

## MS. KANTNER: For the commercial sector, 13 

## DOE estimated hours of use for 14 commercial building 14 

## types, based on data from the 2010 U.S. Lighting 15 

## Market Characterization. Operating hours associated 16 

## with lamp types that do not meet the GSL definition 17 

## were not included in the hours of use estimates - 18 

## so, for example, hours of use associated with GSFLs 19 

## were not included in the hours of use estimate. 20 

## DOE did not explicitly analyze GSLs 21 

## installed in the industrial sector because far fewer 22 

## GSLs are installed in that sector compared to theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## commercial sector, and the hours of use for GSLs in 2 

## the two sectors were assumed to be approximately 3 

## equal. 4 

## DOE analyzed these sectors together, using 5 

## data specific to the commercial sector, and refers 6 

## to the combined sector as the commercial sector. DOE 7 

## found that the national, weighted-average daily 8 

## operating hours for the commercial sector are 10.7 9 

## hours per day. We don't have an item for comment but 10 

## does anyone have any questions or comments on that? 11 

## DOE accounted for the impact of lighting 12 

## controls by reducing total energy use by 30% for all 13 

## GSLs that operate on controls, regardless of sector 14 

## or control type. It's worth noting that "controls" 15 

## here refers not just to traditional controls such as 16 

## dimmers or timers, but also wireless controls 17 

## integrated into lamps referred to as "smart lamps". 18 

## The 30% value comes from a meta-analysis 19 

## of studies on the impact of lighting controls in the 20 

## commercial sector, and DOE has assumed that it is 21 

## applicable to the residential sector as well. In the 22 

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## primarily with dimmers. Based on manufacturer 2 

## interviews DOE estimates that only 5% of CFLs are 3 

## dimmable. This means that the fraction of CFLs 4 

## installed with controls is technologically limited. 5 

## By contrast, LEDs were assumed to 6 

## generally be dimmable and the fraction of LEDs that 7 

## used controls was determined by the fraction of 8 

## sockets which are controllable and the prevalence of 9 

## smart lamps. This means that LEDs are 10 

## preferentially installed with controls compared to 11 

## CFLs. 12 

## In the commercial sector, DOE modeled an 13 

## increasing fraction of GSLs installed with controls 14 

## due to building codes, and this is detailed in 15 

## Appendix 10C of the TSD for those who are interested. 16 

## We have a couple of items for comment. 17 

## Issue 22: DOE requests comment on its approach 18 

## regarding the dimmability of CFLs and LEDs. And 19 

## Issue 23: DOE requests data and information to help 20 

## compare the energy use implications of using dimmers 21 

## as opposed to other lighting controls. 22 

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## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah with NRDC. Could you 2 

## clarify that 30% savings number for controls -- did I 3 

## hear you right that that's based on studies from the 4 

## commercial sector and you applied it to residential? 5 

## MS. KANTNER: That's correct. 6 

## MR. HOROWITZ: I think if that's the case, 7 

## I don't think we can apply it to residential. Those 8 

## are very different controls, many of the ones in 9 

## commercial applications are sensor based where a lot 10 

## of the dimmers in a home are simply a rotary dial 11 

## that most of the time is in the full light output 12 

## position so I think that number is too high for 13 

## residential. 14 

## MS. KANTNER: Is there an alternative to 15 

## suggest? 16 

## MR. HOROWITZ: It would be to come up with 17 

## a lower number for residential, I don't know what 18 

## that is, and then create a weighted average. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Tom Eckman? 20 

## MR. ECKMAN: Yeah maybe the only way to 21 

## get at it is to take a look at what the total use 22 

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## hours reflect -- given 2.3 hours of use per day minus 2 

## 30% -- does that get you in the range of what we have 3 

## metered for total lighting use in buildings? And we 4 

## are around 1,900 kilowatt hours in Northwest so if 5 

## you are down around 1,000 or 1,500 it might be a bit 6 

## shy before the actual application of the dimmers are. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Andrew deLaski? 8 

## MR. DELASKI: I like Tom's idea I'm just 9 

## brainstorming a bit -- I wonder, do the commercial 10 

## studies differentiate sort of center-base controls 11 

## versus those that are manual controls? That might 12 

## be a way to if you could just segregate that data 13 

## from the commercial studies, what's center-based and 14 

## what's manual. 15 

## MS. KANTNER: We could certainly look into 16 

## that. 17 

## MR. DELASKI: And use the manual numbers 18 

## for the residential. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: That's differentiated 20 

## between residential and commercial, Charlie? 21 

## MR. STEPHENS: You know a quick -- Charlie 22 

## Stephens. We did do some pretty narrow surveys thatEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## looked at not only which -- how much of the lighting 2 

## had control, you have 14% of sockets are 3 

## controllable, primarily the dimmers, that may very 4 

## well be true. Did you look at the data to find out 5 

## which fixtures in which rooms were controllable 6 

## because I think you will find there's a pattern to 7 

## that. There aren't very many bathroom -- you know, 8 

## bathroom lights generally aren't dimmable and if you 9 

## have a third of your lighting is done with portable 10 

## fixtures, I presume you are not counting those. 11 

## Dining room chandeliers: very commonly 12 

## dimmable, some kitchen lighting: very commonly 13 

## dimmable, but those are usually R lamps, recessed can 14 

## R lamps, not subject to the rulemaking so I think if 15 

## you -- I don't know if you did this or not but if you 16 

## look at the data a little more closely and line-up 17 

## which are dimmable and compare that to which have all 18 

## the operating hours, I think 30% -- it depends what 19 

## number you multiply that by -- it may only be on 10% 20 

## of operating hours of lamps in the house. 21 

## So the impact on energy use may be quite 22 

## small which is why I say when you start adding up anyEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## power consumption by the dimming system itself, if 2 

## there is any, there may not be such huge energy 3 

## savings associated with it. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe? 5 

## MR. HOWLEY: So just to offer some counter 6 

## thoughts -- Joe Howley from GE -- on dimming, these 7 

## are based on commercial applications but often in 8 

## those applications you don't dim to really low 9 

## levels, you are dimming for different reasons in 10 

## offices and conference rooms. You may dim lower but 11 

## in residential applications, often when you are 12 

## dimming it's for mood, it's for atmosphere, and you 13 

## often do dim to very low applications. Your comment 14 

## here is that for GSLs that operate on controls, 15 

## Charlie was commenting that well only so many are 16 

## operated on controls, but presumably that's already a 17 

## filter in there, you have already filtered out 18 

## anything not on control so these are for the lamps 19 

## that are covered by this rulemaking that are on 20 

## controls, how well are they dimmed in the residential 21 

## sector or how often. 22 

## But for TV viewing or for dining room orEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## for things like that they may be dimmed well beyond 2 

## 30% and for long periods of time so I don't know that 3 

## you could instantly jump to the conclusion that it 4 

## should be less than 30 or more than 30, I think what 5 

## you will find in residential applications is just a 6 

## much wider variability in how much they are dimmed, 7 

## depending on where they are used in the room but it 8 

## is an interesting question. 30% may not be a bad 9 

## place to start but you could just as well find lower 10 

## versus higher depending on the individual household 11 

## and how they are using, thanks. 12 

## MS. KANTNER: To answer your question, we 13 

## did not look at specifically which rooms those 14 

## dimmers were located in, we just assumed they were 15 

## randomly distributed according to the distribution of 16 

## GSLs in the home, but that is something that we can 17 

## take into account at the NOPR stage. 18 

## MR. STEPHENS: I would strongly recommend 19 

## that. 20 

## MR. ECKMAN: Yeah the data from the 21 

## Northwest has 82,000 sockets so I'm sure we can parse 22 

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## and which of those are under controls so. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 3 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Something nobody has 4 

## touched on and I think is equally or more important 5 

## in driving the calculation and would be good to test 6 

## around the room is you say 14% of sockets are 7 

## controllable or dimmable and -- 8 

## MS. KANTNER: In the residential sector. 9 

## MR. HOROWITZ: In the residential sector, 10 

## so that's a relatively small number on the percentage 11 

## basis so if you are multiplying a whole number times 12 

## 14% whether it's by .5 or .31 the accuracy, the 14% 13 

## number drives this and I'm wondering if people feel 14 

## that's about right. I know there are studies in 15 

## California that show it's 14% or less of the sockets 16 

## are dimmable. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Don Brundage? 18 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: I would point -- Don 19 

## Brundage, Southern Company -- I would point out that 20 

## you are going to have studies of lighting and 21 

## controls et cetera in areas with strong energy 22 

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## biased towards having more controls and more CFLs. 2 

## If you have locations that do not have strong energy 3 

## efficiency programs they generally will not tend to 4 

## do studies on energy efficiency programs either, 5 

## yeah. 6 

## So I think you do need to be a bit 7 

## cautious on assuming that the data for the Pacific 8 

## Northwest and California is representative of the 9 

## rest of the country. I don't have a good -- I don't 10 

## have a good solution for this, just understand you 11 

## are probably biased on the side of more CFLs and more 12 

## controls than the country as a whole, thank you. 13 

## MS. KANTNER: Just to clarify, that 14% 14 

## number came from the Lighting Market 15 

## Characterization. It did not come from the Northwest 16 

## study. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie Stephens. 18 

## MR. STEPHENS: But I would add what we are 19 

## talking about here are sockets that they have already 20 

## demonstrated only 5% of CFLs are estimated to be 21 

## dimmable, there's a few more LEDs out there right 22 

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## about out here is dimming incandescents. 2 

## So I don't think there's going to be a 3 

## huge as big a difference around the country in how 4 

## people use their dining room chandeliers at night and 5 

## how they dim for television and that sort of thing 6 

## because they are dimming for the most part 7 

## incandescents and that's the same everywhere so I 8 

## don't -- in this one case I think our data may 9 

## actually be more representative than it is in some 10 

## other cases. 11 

## But it is parsible and as Tom said there 12 

## were 82,000 sockets surveyed and 2,200 monitored so 13 

## -- fixtures monitored, sometimes with multiple 14 

## sockets so it's -- there's a lot of data there that 15 

## can provide a lot of insight as to whether or not 16 

## this is appropriate. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay are we ready to move 18 

## on? 19 

## MS. KANTNER: I think so. And here we see 20 

## the energy use results for each product class broken 21 

## down by sector. Displayed for each CSL is the 22 

## calculated average annual energy use as well as theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## energy savings with respect to the baseline. Energy 2 

## use and savings are much larger in the commercial 3 

## sector due to the longer hours of use. 4 

## Note that the operating hours are assumed 5 

## to be the same across product classes for a given 6 

## sector but these results do incorporate the impact of 7 

## controls which can vary by sector and by technology 8 

## type. 9 

## Chapter 7 of the TSD also presents energy 10 

## use results without controls in order to illustrate 11 

## the impact of controls on energy use. That 12 

## concludes the Energy Use Analysis and now I'm going 13 

## to talk about the Life-Cycle Cost Analysis. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Before we move on, comments 15 

## on this rather detailed table should there be any? 16 

## Okay. 17 

## MS. KANTNER: The purpose of the 18 

## Life-Cycle Cost, or LCC, Analysis is to provide an 19 

## economic evaluation from the end-users' perspective. 20 

## Life-cycle cost is the total cost to the consumer 21 

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## price of more efficient products through reduced 2 

## operating costs. 3 

## The methodology used is to first develop a 4 

## Monte Carlo sample of 10,000 purchasers. For this 5 

## rulemaking a lamp sample was also developed for the 6 

## integrated low-lumen product class. Life-cycle costs 7 

## are then calculated for each CSL by adding installed 8 

## cost, lifetime operating cost and disposal cost and 9 

## subtracting the residual value. And we will go 10 

## through each of these inputs on the subsequent 11 

## slides. 12 

## The payback period is calculated by 13 

## dividing the average increase in installed cost by 14 

## the average decrease in first year operating costs. 15 

## In other words, the operating costs are not 16 

## discounted in the payback period calculation. 17 

## And then finally LCC savings were 18 

## calculated, at least for this rulemaking, based on 19 

## market efficiency distributions in the base case and 20 

## candidate standards cases, where a candidate standard 21 

## case is an analytical case where the standard is 22 

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## One thing that distinguishes the LCC 2 

## Analysis from the previous analyses discussed is that 3 

## the LCC considers at distribution of purchasers in 4 

## order to take into account the variability in 5 

## parameters such as hours of use and energy price. 6 

## For the LCC DOE developed a sample of 10,000 GSL 7 

## purchasers and used this same sample to determine the 8 

## average LCC at each CSL. 9 

## For the residential sector, purchasers 10 

## were randomly drawn from the set of households in the 11 

## 2009 Residential Energy Consumption Survey or RECS. 12 

## For the commercial sector, purchases were assumed to 13 

## be installed in buildings drawn from the set of 14 

## buildings in the 2003 Commercial Buildings Energy 15 

## Consumption Survey, or CBECS, where a selection 16 

## weight was applied to each building based on square 17 

## footage, lamp concentration, and the fraction of 18 

## lamps that are GSLs in each building type. 19 

## One of the inputs to the LCC is the total 20 

## installed cost, where for GSLs, the total installed 21 

## cost was just the sum of the lamp price in 2020 and 22 

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## 2020 lamp prices, price learning was applied to the 2 

## 2014 lamp prices developed in the Product Price 3 

## Determination, which can be seen here for the 4 

## integrated low-lumen product class. 5 

## Price learning accounts for decreases in 6 

## manufacturing costs due to production experience by 7 

## the start of the LCC analysis period, and the 8 

## specific application of it in this rulemaking will be 9 

## discussed in more detail in the Shipments Analysis, 10 

## but it's worth noting that for CFLs, price learning 11 

## was not applied to the portion of lamp price 12 

## attributable to rare earth oxides. 13 

## This was not relevant for LEDs because 14 

## LEDs were assumed to include a negligible amount of 15 

## rare earth material. For the preliminary analysis, 16 

## DOE has assumed no product class switching and 17 

## believes that installation costs are negligible under 18 

## this assumption. 19 

## Additionally, the value to a consumer of a 20 

## longer lived lamp is accounted for in the residual 21 

## value calculation which is incorporated into the LCC. 22 

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## the installed cost. 2 

## Electricity prices and trends are also an 3 

## input to the LCC and were estimated using data from 4 

## the Energy Information Administration. Note that 5 

## price estimates are sector- and location-specific. 6 

## Discount rates are another input to the LCC and are 7 

## used to discount operating costs to the year of 8 

## purchase. They represent the opportunity cost of 9 

## funds used to purchase GSLs and are sector-specific. 10 

## There's a significant amount of detail on 11 

## discount rates in the TSD for those interested. And 12 

## we have an item for comment: DOE welcomes comment on 13 

## its approach regarding installation costs. 14 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Dave? 15 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 16 

## Lighting. A question for CFLs: you are saying price 17 

## learning was not applied only to the portion of the 18 

## lamp price attributed to rare earth oxides. I 19 

## actually suggested there shouldn't really be any 20 

## price learning in CFLs at all because it's a mature 21 

## product with high volume and it's being marginalized 22 

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## a developing technology and volume is going up. I 2 

## appreciate that you left REOs out since that's kind 3 

## of a volatile issue all by itself, but how did you 4 

## account for, or did you account for, any type of 5 

## price learning other than for REOs on CFLs? 6 

## MS. KANTNER: I would suggest that we hold 7 

## this discussion until it is discussed in more detail 8 

## in the Shipment Analysis. 9 

## MR. GATTO: Okay. 10 

## MS. KANTNER: Sorry. 11 

## MR. GATTO: No that's okay, it just seemed 12 

## exactly on point with the Issue 29 question, sorry 13 

## about that, I'll wait. 14 

## MS. KANTNER: Thanks. 15 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Additional thoughts on 16 

## approach regarding installation costs? Yes Mike? 17 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan, 18 

## California IOU's. When you analyze each CSL and LCC, 19 

## do you just pick a representative product that barely 20 

## meets the CSL and conduct the analysis based on that 21 

## product or do you conduct the analysis based on all 22 

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## including the ones that exceed the CSL 2 

## substantially? 3 

## MS. KANTNER: In general, we used the 4 

## representative products developed in the Engineering 5 

## Analysis, but for the low-lumen product class we also 6 

## developed -- as I will discuss on the next slide -- 7 

## lamps for the 4 different lumen bins from EISA. But, 8 

## in general, we used the products developed in the 9 

## Engineering Analysis. 10 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: I think that that 11 

## approach makes more sense for most DOE rulemakings, 12 

## where products get more expensive when they get more 13 

## efficient. Here where we see prices coming down I 14 

## think if DOE wants to assess the impact of CSL1 the 15 

## fact is consumers will have a lot of options and some 16 

## of them -- some of the most appealing and cheapest 17 

## options might be far beyond the level of CSL1 so we 18 

## would encourage you to use the shipment weights that 19 

## you forecasted and apply those, not just in the 20 

## National Impact Analysis but the LCC as well. 21 

## MS. KANTNER: We do weight the CSLs for 22 

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## a little bit. 2 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Okay, maybe I 3 

## misunderstood. 4 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Tom Eckman? 5 

## MR. ECKMAN: Tom Eckman, Northwest Foreign 6 

## Conservation Council. For the fraction of the 7 

## products that are being installed in the commercial 8 

## marketplace, I think installation costs should be 9 

## included because there is labor costs associated with 10 

## that and the lifetime of these products vary 11 

## significantly so the operation and maintenance cost 12 

## of the re-install is going to be a material element. 13 

## You have got a janitor or electrician, somebody out 14 

## there that's re-vamping the building on schedule and 15 

## the schedule just got longer as a consequence of the 16 

## lifetime of those products. 17 

## So for the higher CSLs in particular, 18 

## where you move to 25,000 hours, you just reduced the 19 

## labor cost by half. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 21 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah with NRDC. First you 22 

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## are $10.00 or less right now yet none of the assumed 2 

## costs in the right-hand column get that low for LED. 3 

## Help me understand where the price assumptions were 4 

## in particular for the whole floor which is -- 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah, apparently your mic's 6 

## not on. 7 

## MR. HOROWITZ: So what I said goes, no. 8 

## Sorry about that. Noah with NRDC, the typical LED 9 

## today for a 60 watt-equivalent is around a $10.00 10 

## price point, in some cases you know, $8.00 or even 11 

## less for off-brand names yet none of the prices in 12 

## the right-hand column reflect the $10.00-ish price 13 

## value and one could posit that the CSL4 reflects the 14 

## typical LED, approaching level 5 very soon from an 15 

## efficacy point of view, and I'm wondering why we are 16 

## seeing higher numbers there than what one would see 17 

## in the big box stores at a minimum. 18 

## MS. KANTNER: I'll let the folks who did 19 

## the Product Price Determination answer that. 20 

## MS. HUSAIN: Sure, this is Aisha from 21 

## Navigant. So these numbers again are based on what 22 

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## Determination or determined based on those weightings 2 

## that were given to big boxes as well as electrical 3 

## distributors as well as online retailers and this is 4 

## the shipment weighted average price. So it's not 5 

## just the big box prices here. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Charlie? 7 

## MR. STEPHENS: Charlie Stephens. There's 8 

## something yeah, there's something here that's not. I 9 

## commented on this earlier when we talked about how 10 

## you are weighting the pricing from one store. I 11 

## think most people here and I've heard it from the 12 

## manufacturers already at least a couple of times 13 

## today where price actually matters of the product. 14 

## Sometimes big time but we are sort of 15 

## suggesting that it has no impact on shipments. In 16 

## other words, when people are faced with a product 17 

## that cost $2.00 versus the same product in a 18 

## different package, because there is 2 of them instead 19 

## of 4 they won't say that wow I can buy 4 of them for 20 

## two-thirds or half the price per unit of the 2 and 21 

## I'll buy the cheaper price. 22 

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## into account here the higher shipments for the less 2 

## expensive products. If you did I think you would see 3 

## lower prices here so I don't think the pricing has 4 

## gone very well. I think the pricing -- product 5 

## pricing needs to be re-examined here seriously. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Tom Eckman? 7 

## MR. ECKMAN: Just to re-iterate that. I 8 

## don't want to characterize these as sales weighted 9 

## averages, they are product availability averages. If 10 

## you are just simply taking one count for one product 11 

## it's what's on the store shelve that you did the 12 

## product survey it was on the store shelf and each one 13 

## gets equal weight. It's not a sales weighting and 14 

## that's a different -- it's a sales offering but it's 15 

## not a sales weighting and that's a different matter. 16 

## I think Charlie is correct that the sales 17 

## weighting will turn out to be a lower number as 18 

## people do recognize the bargain. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Don Brundage? 20 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: One observation -- Don 21 

## Brundage, Southern Company -- one observation I have 22 

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## equal. You have directional LED products that I've 2 

## noticed tend to be less expensive in price while all 3 

## directional LEDs tend to be a bit more expensive. I 4 

## wonder if that's part of the confusion here because 5 

## there's some LED products out there that are not 6 

## really useable at all in all applications because of 7 

## the directional nature of LEDs thank you. 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Alex? 9 

## MR. BOESENBERG: Alex Boesenberg, NEMA. 10 

## I'll first start by saying industry is perplexed as 11 

## everyone else about how the CSLs and prices play out 12 

## in the TSD and we are still digging into our thoughts 13 

## as to why it might be that way. So our written 14 

## comments will have more on this, so without reaching 15 

## any conclusions today I would point out that some of 16 

## the areas where we are going to dig into are -- well 17 

## first and foremost LEDs are still very much an 18 

## evolving and emerging technology despite the 19 

## increased product offering, there's still a lot of 20 

## fluctuation in design and in how we achieve what we 21 

## are trying to do and what that costs. 22 

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## in the data in the way it's analyzed is that as a 2 

## manufacturer comes up with a good answer for a 3 

## certain type of lamp, rather than continue to evolve 4 

## that they put that into the market and let it go 5 

## awhile and dig into another type. You can come up 6 

## with a good A-line so now hey let's make a good globe 7 

## type of something like that so the products are 8 

## evolving in surges versus a continuous evolution 9 

## which is more typical in the way to see technologies 10 

## we are used to dealing with in these rules that are 11 

## more established. 12 

## And then also because LED is so new, while 13 

## there may be a lot of data, it's -- by the time a 14 

## lamp is a year old it's obsolete. Stuff is being 15 

## obsoleted month to month so looking at data and 16 

## trying to find trends in terms of price and quality 17 

## and everything else is difficult because these 18 

## products -- you can't say that the one they offer 19 

## today is going to be similar to the one they are 20 

## offering in June of 2015 because they may have 21 

## evolved in a direction that's not iterative so 22 

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## that have been applied in the past that cannot or 2 

## will not accurately reflect the way LEDs are and a 3 

## lot of it has to do with how soon this is all being 4 

## done. 5 

## Not to say that we are going to argue it's 6 

## being done but it begs a step back in our 7 

## consideration. 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 9 

## MR. STEPHENS: This is Charlie Stephens. 10 

## I guess I should add we actually do have monthly 11 

## sales prices, sales based prices for these products 12 

## but the question is I don't know if we can put it on 13 

## the public record and in what form but I can 14 

## guarantee that my comments will be based on the data 15 

## that we have in a generic sort of way so I can at 16 

## least make comments on what's here but we actually do 17 

## have this data monthly and we are going to continue 18 

## to collect it monthly going forward and it probably 19 

## would account for something on the order of 2/3rds of 20 

## the residential product sales that we see in our 21 

## area. 22 

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## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 2 

## Lighting. And Colleen I think you said this earlier 3 

## and this might actually second everyone's comments 4 

## that pricing doesn't make a lot of sense to us and I 5 

## know that DOE is challenged a bit with not having 6 

## sales data to weight and LEDs are moving kind of 7 

## quick. 8 

## But you excluded or backed out -- how did 9 

## you deal with the rebate because I'm wondering I know 10 

## you mentioned everything there is for $10.00. 11 

## Everything in my area is above 15 but if I drive 12 

## across the bridge it's $8.00. There are rebates in 13 

## some areas and not in others so I don't know if 14 

## that's part of it. I think it's CSL2 and 3 there's 15 

## just something wrong with how you came up with the 16 

## numbers but I'm wondering how you -- did you identify 17 

## the price when it included rebate? How did you 18 

## address that? 19 

## Especially when you are looking at big 20 

## box, did you look at it nationally? Did you only 21 

## look at the local store? Maybe you can share that 22 

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## confused about how you came to some of these prices. 2 

## MS. KANTNER: I'll let the folks who did 3 

## the Product Price Determination answer that. 4 

## MS. HUSAIN: This is Aisha of Navigant. 5 

## So we as Maureen had mentioned earlier we did not -- 6 

## we made sure that we weren't taking into account 7 

## prices that were rebated so it was the original 8 

## price, that's where we took it as a price point and 9 

## we didn't look locally specifically at a Home Depot, 10 

## it's more like the online national level and we had 11 

## confirmed that those online prices were actually the 12 

## in store prices, there's also like a button the 13 

## website that can indicate that. Does that answer? 14 

## MR. GATTO: Thanks Aisha, I'm not sure. I 15 

## think that when everyone agrees that the pricing 16 

## doesn't look right. 17 

## MS. HUSAIN: Sure and I think we'll take 18 

## into account all of your comments and as Maureen had 19 

## said we did do a straight average within like each 20 

## retailer so I think that's the main comment here and 21 

## we will definitely take that into account. Any 22 

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## want to change the methodology, the weightings would 2 

## definitely be welcome. 3 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Lucy deButts. Also to the 4 

## comment of whether or not you can provide 5 

## information, some information, some comments that are 6 

## provided has the confidentiality applied to them so 7 

## maybe you can do that. 8 

## MR. GATTO: I guess that will happen 9 

## provided the people who give us the data are okay 10 

## with that, we have to ask them. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Charlie, Noah? 12 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Some of us looked at this 13 

## data and we are trying to understand for example 14 

## level 2 which was the highest priced and for a less 15 

## efficient product and we have a hypothesis or a guess 16 

## and I'm wondering if you could respond to this. That 17 

## if you looked at the LED that was less efficient than 18 

## today's and came out you know, 18 months -- 2 l/2 19 

## years ago it was at that lower efficiency point and 20 

## those bulbs did cost $25-$30.00 apiece. 21 

## The more efficient bulb delivering the 22 

## same light output today might be $10-ish dollars soEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## was it that we are looking at bulbs that have been 2 

## replaced and are no longer -- we are looking at the 3 

## older models and that's why level 2 is where it is at 4 

## or can you expound on that? 5 

## MS. KANTNER: I'll let Aisha answer, but 6 

## before that I'll also mention that you will see in 7 

## the Shipments Analysis how we treated those higher 8 

## priced lamps as obsolete. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Aisha? 10 

## MS. HUSAIN: This is Aisha from Navigant. 11 

## So that is correct, so all of these -- the price 12 

## points are based on products that are available but 13 

## we were seeing that for the older LEDs so the less 14 

## efficient ones that they were higher priced than the 15 

## new ones that were coming online were lower prices so 16 

## that was a trend that we had noticed. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Mike? 18 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan. I think 19 

## this goes to the question I was asking earlier and I 20 

## think you confirmed that when you did the LCC you 21 

## didn't assume for CSL2 that everybody is buying a 22 

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## you applied a range and some market weights to 2 

## different products there so it almost doesn't really 3 

## matter because your own analysis shows that no one is 4 

## really going to buy the $30.00 lamp, everyone is 5 

## going to buy the $14.00 lamp even at CSL2. 6 

## So if that's how you set up your LCC then 7 

## a lot of this is -- 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: So I think we can conclude 9 

## that the Department will benefit greatly from all of 10 

## your written comments here. Noah? 11 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Just to clarify, I'm sorry. 12 

## So I guess building off Mike's point it would be good 13 

## to know when you did the LCC, did you assume the 14 

## $30.00 cost or there was a range and once you took a 15 

## weighted average it was more like $14.00? I'm still 16 

## struggling with that. 17 

## MS. KANTNER: We assumed, for lamps that 18 

## were purchased at a particular CSL, that the cost was 19 

## the cost from the Product Price Determination, 20 

## although this is the 2014 price and we used the 2020 21 

## prices, but for lamps purchased at that CSL, the 22 

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## However, for the LCC savings there was a 2 

## distribution of purchases made at different CSLs, 3 

## which were then weighted based on the shipments 4 

## expected at each CSL. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Mike? 6 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan, so we 7 

## would just suggest that you apply the same weighting 8 

## to costs as you do to savings in the LCC. 9 

## MS. KANTNER: So there's actually a slide 10 

## on this later. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Let's move on, I think we 12 

## have covered this sufficiently, keep going. 13 

## MS. KANTNER: In addition to creating a 14 

## sample of purchasers, due to the high variability 15 

## seen in LED lamp prices across lumen ranges, DOE 16 

## developed a sample of lamps for the integrated low17 

## lumen product class, which is the only product class 18 

## that includes LEDs. Lamps were sampled from the four 19 

## lumen ranges listed here, which correspond to the 20 

## EISA 2007 lumen bins, with the exception of the 21 

## highest lumen range, which is truncated just below 22 

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## a separate product class. 2 

## These lumen ranges correspond to 40 watt-, 3 

## 60 watt-, 75 watt-, and 100-watt equivalent lamps. 4 

## Lamp data for the 60 watt-equivalent lumen range 5 

## comes from the Engineering Analysis. 6 

## To determine lamp data for the other lumen 7 

## ranges, DOE scaled prices from the Product Price 8 

## Determination using online retail price data and used 9 

## the efficacy-to-lumen relationship developed in the 10 

## Engineering Analysis. 11 

## In order to sample lamps, one needs to 12 

## know the distribution of lamps by lumen range and the 13 

## figure in the lower left-hand corner illustrates 14 

## DOE's estimate of the sector-specific market shares 15 

## by lumen range, which DOE assumed to be constant over 16 

## time. 17 

## For the residential sector, in red, the 18 

## market share estimates were based on data from the 19 

## Cadeo Group and from DOE's Residential Lighting End 20 

## Use Consumption Survey, or RLEUCS. For the 21 

## commercial sector, in blue, market share estimates 22 

## are based on model counts for in-based CFLs from theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## CPUC's Retail Lighting Shelf Survey, under the 2 

## assumption that, at least in the commercial sector, 3 

## the lumen distribution would be similar for in-base 4 

## CFLs and for screw based CFLs and LEDs. 5 

## Note that the 60 watt-equivalent lumen 6 

## range dominates in both sectors, but the commercial 7 

## sector has a larger share of 75 and 100 watt8 

## equivalent lamps. And there's an item for comment. 9 

## DOE seeks comment on the market distribution 10 

## estimates for the four lumen ranges analyzed as part 11 

## of the integrated low-lumen product class. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: It's kind of a small figure 13 

## in print here. Comments on the lumen ranges 14 

## estimates, market distribution estimates, nothing 15 

## here, okay. 16 

## MS. KANTNER: To capture variability in 17 

## operating hours, DOE sampled from sector-specific 18 

## hours of use distributions. In the residential 19 

## sector, hours of use were sampled from location- and 20 

## room-type-specific areas of use distributions. Once 21 

## a lumen range was selected based on the distribution 22 

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## sampled from a lumen-range-specific distribution of 2 

## room types developed from RLEUCS. 3 

## Note that for the high lumen and 4 

## non-integrated product classes, the room distribution 5 

## was assumed to be the same as for the highest lumen 6 

## range in the low-lumen product class. Independent 7 

## from the room selection a geographic location would 8 

## be sampled from the set of households in RECS. 9 

## Then a room type and geographic location 10 

## would be used together to select the hours of use for 11 

## a particular purchaser from a room- and location12 

## specific hours of use distribution. The room 13 

## specific hours of use distributions were based on 14 

## metered data from the Northwest in the Northwest 15 

## Energy Efficiency Alliance's Residential Building 16 

## Stock Assessment Metering Study, which were then 17 

## adjusted for each RECS portable domain based on the 18 

## average hours of use in that region. 19 

## The purpose of this procedure was to 20 

## capture more realistic variability in hours of use 21 

## for consumers and to allow for correlations between 22 

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## In the commercial sector, due to a lack of 2 

## available data, a much simpler approach was taken. A 3 

## triangular distribution was applied to the average 4 

## hours of use for each building type, such that the 5 

## minimum hours of use would be 80%, and the maximum 6 

## hours of use 120%, of the corresponding average hours 7 

## of use. 8 

## DOE invites comments and data on its 9 

## approach to account for variability and hours of use. 10 

## This comment is specific to the commercial sector but 11 

## we welcome comments on the residential sector as 12 

## well. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Any comments here? No? 14 

## Okay. 15 

## MS. KANTNER: In the LCC and subsequent 16 

## analyses the relevant lifetime of a GSL is the age at 17 

## which a lamp is retired from service, which is not 18 

## necessarily the same as the technical lifetime of the 19 

## lamp. To capture variability in lamp lifetime, DOE 20 

## first developed sector-specific probabilities of 21 

## survival as a function of lamp age, using Weibull 22 

## distributions which are commonly used to modelEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## appliance lifetimes. 2 

## These distributions took into account a 3 

## lamp's rated -- L70 -- lifetime, sector-specific 4 

## hours of use distributions, and the effect of on time 5 

## cycle length for CFLs in the residential sector. DOE 6 

## found no data to suggest a negative impact on LEDs 7 

## from on-time cycle length and did not take into 8 

## account on-time cycle length in the commercial sector 9 

## because the longer hours of use in that sector 10 

## suggestion that the impact will be minimal. 11 

## DOE also assumed no net effect from 12 

## dimming on either CFL or LED lifetime because there 13 

## were no data to suggest otherwise. DOE then 14 

## considered 3 scenarios for lifetime: the first, 15 

## called the "rated-lifetime" scenario, just takes into 16 

## account the three factors listed above. In this 17 

## scenario LEDs can live up to 50 years. The second 18 

## scenario, referred to as the 19 

## "renovation-driven-lifetime" scenario, truncates the 20 

## rated-lifetime scenario for both LEDs and CFLs using 21 

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## or retrofits. 2 

## The third scenario, referred to as the 3 

## "early-replacement" scenario, considers the impact on 4 

## lifetime if consumers treat LEDs in a manner similar 5 

## to consumer electronics and truncates the 6 

## rated-lifetime scenario for LEDs using a Weibull 7 

## distribution with a median of 5 years. 8 

## Note that in this scenario the 9 

## renovation-driven-lifetime approach is still used for 10 

## CFL's. DOE believes the renovation-driven-lifetime 11 

## approach is most likely to reflect actual service 12 

## lifetime of GSLs and therefore has used it for the 13 

## reference scenario. DOE invites comment on the three 14 

## lifetime scenarios considered. 15 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Don Brundage? 16 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage, Southern 17 

## Company. I hardly know where to start on the 18 

## optimistic assumptions embedded in the effective 19 

## on-time cycling just does not affect the lives of a 20 

## residential CFL. If you cut off -- on and off a CFL 21 

## frequently it shortens the lifetime. Anyone who has 22 

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## wear out first. 2 

## MS. KANTNER: Just to clarify, we did take 3 

## it into account for the residential sector. 4 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Okay, so you did include 5 

## it. All right. Assume no effect from dimming on 6 

## their CFL or LED lifetime, do you assume -- what 7 

## percentage of CFL bulbs do you assume die an instant 8 

## death because a non-dimmable CFL is placed by mistake 9 

## in a dimmable fixture? 10 

## MS. KANTNER: We didn't assume any did. 11 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Well mistakes happen and 12 

## anybody who has ever had a non-dimmable CFL fitted in 13 

## a dimmable fixture knows its instant death for the 14 

## CFL once you dim it for the first time, so it may be 15 

## a 1% number but it is not a zero % number. 16 

## Renovation driven lifetime -- I would suggest that 17 

## renovations where you might want to change a CFL even 18 

## to a different color temperature could be something 19 

## as simple as changing the color in a room and for a 20 

## -- if the walls were beige you might like 2,700K. If 21 

## it's blue you might like 3,500K. There's an 22 

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## that you are going to be changing light bulbs, 2 

## especially in portable fixtures. 3 

## The lifetime of a floor lamp or a lamp 4 

## that sits on a desk is not going to be 50 years and 5 

## you are probably not going to take the bulb out and 6 

## switch it to a different lamp when it's -- I'm just 7 

## saying these -- you are assuming some very high 8 

## lifetimes that I think are not realistic in true 9 

## residential service. Thank you. 10 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Ken Rider has a comment, 11 

## Ken unmute your phone. We can't hear you yet. 12 

## MR. RIDER: Sorry there we go. Just a 13 

## comment on the early-replacement lifetime scenario 14 

## and I eluded to this earlier -- in earlier comments, 15 

## but I would think that people who buy the next with 16 

## being LEDs will not just throw away the LEDs that are 17 

## in their fixtures and probably rotate them out. You 18 

## see it in TV's, someone gets a cooler TV they put it 19 

## in their living room and their old TV moves on to the 20 

## bedroom or whatever. 21 

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## it's just moved to another less used spot in the 2 

## house so I wouldn't assume that they get thrown away 3 

## but rather they rotate to maybe a lower usage 4 

## fixtures or something. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie Stephens? 6 

## MR. STEPHENS: Charlie Stephens yeah I 7 

## would concur with Ken's comment there for the 8 

## residential screw in fixtures. I think you might 9 

## apply a renovation-driven lifetime with the pin-based 10 

## fixtures to some extent because there you know you 11 

## are going to replace the fixture when you renovate 12 

## maybe. 13 

## But screw in products just get moved from 14 

## fixture to fixture there's no -- if you paid 50 cents 15 

## for the light bulb maybe not, but if you paid $4.00 16 

## or $5.00 for the light bulb you are just going to 17 

## move it to another fixture if you don't like it where 18 

## it is. 19 

## But the other -- I think -- so the impact 20 

## on that would not be that it dies, it just changes 21 

## its hours of use. It will get moved to another 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Comment, do we have 2 

## additional -- yes Noah? 3 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah with NRDC. I'm fine 4 

## with the first two scenarios you have there, I don't 5 

## know what the right weighting would be but I have 6 

## concern of applying the typical turn-over rate of 7 

## consumer electronics of 5 years and say if you have a 8 

## 25 year rated LED it's only going to be 5 years 9 

## because people are going to buy the newer and better 10 

## one and get rid of the other LED. I agree with the 11 

## other commenters that it is probably going to be 12 

## moving around the house but I don't think there's 13 

## going to be as drastic a motivation to replace an 14 

## existing LED. 15 

## If it is still giving off the right amount 16 

## of light it might have been 85 lumens per watt, the 17 

## fact that the other one is 100 -- or 10 -- lumens per 18 

## watt, you might be saving 1 l/2 watts. I don't think 19 

## that 25 year light bulb is going to be taken after 20 

## that 5 years, so I disagree with the 5 years. 21 

## In consumer electronics the feature 22 

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## that big became that big. The processing doubled, it 2 

## had wireless, smart TV'S -- you could go on and on. 3 

## While we are going to see "smart LEDs" and some 4 

## improvements in LED I think the incremental 5 

## improvement is going to be a lot smaller. 6 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Lucy deButts, DOE. Do we 7 

## have a number in mind for the early replacement 8 

## lifetime? 9 

## MR. HOROWITZ: I don't know but it's 10 

## bigger than 5. 11 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Okay. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Final comments on these 13 

## scenarios? Okay. 14 

## MS. KANTNER: Displayed here are the 15 

## life-time modeling results for the reference scenario 16 

## in the residential sector. Probability of survival 17 

## is plotted against GSL age, in years, for a 25,000 18 

## hour LED and three CFLs with different rated 19 

## lifetimes. In this scenario, which accounts for 20 

## renovations and retrofits, there is not a significant 21 

## probability of survival for any of these lamps past 22 

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## length is significant for CFLs. The probability of 2 

## failure for CFLs compared to the LED is significantly 3 

## higher in the early years than just a comparison of 4 

## the rated lifetimes would indicate due to the 5 

## reduced lifetime for CFLs in installation locations 6 

## with short on-time cycles. 7 

## DOE invites comments and data on the 8 

## assumptions and methodology used to calculate GSL 9 

## survival probabilities as a function of GSL age. 10 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Comments here on survival 11 

## probabilities? Okay. 12 

## MS. KANTNER: To account for the different 13 

## lifetimes of GSLs within a given product class, DOE 14 

## incorporated a residual value into the lifecycle 15 

## cost. The residual value represents the remaining 16 

## dollar value of surviving GSLs at the end of the LCC 17 

## analysis period, where the LCC analysis period was 18 

## the lifetime of the shortest lived lamp in a product 19 

## class. The residual value is applied as a credit to 20 

## the LCC -- in other words, it is subtracted from the 21 

## rest of the LCC. The residual value represents an 22 

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## be at the end of the LCC analysis period, taking into 2 

## consideration the impact of price learning which 3 

## occurs by that time. 4 

## The residual value is pro-rated to the 5 

## remaining lifetime of the lamp and is also discounted 6 

## to the analysis start year. Another component of the 7 

## LCC is the disposal cost. The disposal cost is the 8 

## cost of disposing or recycling lamps at the end of 9 

## the lamp lifetime. For CFLs, DOE assumed that 10 

## consumers in the residential sector do not pay 11 

## disposal costs. 12 

## 10% of consumers in the commercial sector 13 

## were estimated to pay an average recycling cost of 14 

## $1.00 per lamp. Because LEDs do not contain mercury 15 

## DOE has assumed no disposal costs for them. DOE 16 

## requests comment and data on the disposal cost 17 

## assumptions. 18 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe? 19 

## MR. HOWLEY: Yes, on those assumptions 20 

## your residential assumption is probably correct in 21 

## terms of them paying for recycling. Your commercial 22 

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## sector uses a lot fewer compact fluorescent lamps but 2 

## there are over 10 state laws requiring the recycling 3 

## of all mercury containing lamps meaning that the last 4 

## time we looked at this number it was probably closer 5 

## to 35% of all mercury contained lamps are recycled, 6 

## 35 to 40% something closer to that range. 7 

## And we are just talking about compact 8 

## flourescents now because they are the only products 9 

## here that contain mercury and I would say the average 10 

## recycling cost is closer to 50 cents a lamp for these 11 

## not a dollar so I think your 2 numbers there are -- 12 

## need to be adjusted for the purposes. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Dave? 14 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 15 

## Lighting. Actually I'm just going to second Joe. I 16 

## think that the commercial sector is very low -- 17 

## there's a requirement to recycle in quite a number of 18 

## places. I have to agree with Joe, I think that 19 

## dollar per lamp was probably based on the GSFL so 20 

## that's probably about correct for linear but for CFL, 21 

## I might call it 70 cents, but it's below a dollar. 22 

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## be that now finally with LED I have a reason to 2 

## understand the residual value, but I do want to ask 3 

## this as a question that has come up in other 4 

## rulemakings where it would seem meaningless. So if 5 

## you are using 10,000 hours as a lifetime of the 6 

## minimum -- the lowest lifetime of a covered product, 7 

## you are applying what you are calculating is the 8 

## value of the LED at the end of life value forward. I 9 

## don't know if I said that right so if the LED is 10 

## rated 20,000 and the CFL is rated 10 at the end of 11 

## 10,000 hours you are applying a forward value of half 12 

## of the cost of the LED in the end of life price 13 

## dollars? 14 

## MS. KANTNER: Yes, you are calculating 15 

## what the remaining value is for that lamp past the 16 

## lifetime of the lowest lived lamp in that product 17 

## class. 18 

## MR. GATTO: So only for the purposes of 19 

## lifetime payback calculation? Where is that being 20 

## applied because I think if you -- it's in your one 21 

## scenario you are going to consider the LED lamp is 22 

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## is fine and then you can't carry a residual value 2 

## for it forward or is that not what you are saying 3 

## that you did? 4 

## MS. KANTNER: It's not taken into account 5 

## in the payback period. It just looks at the 6 

## installed cost and the first year operating costs, 7 

## but it is taken into account in the life-cycle cost. 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Keith? 9 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook with Philips. 10 

## That's the same line of questioning I had. You said 11 

## your value only has meaning if somebody is willing to 12 

## pay for it so what you are saying is actually 10,000 13 

## hours, somebody takes this thing out to the garage 14 

## sale and somebody buys it then at whatever the value 15 

## is that you have estimated. That means that's a 16 

## whole new cultural change because people don't do 17 

## that today, they throw away the bulbs at the end and 18 

## I don't know why somebody would then buy a lamp at a 19 

## garage sale when they can go to a big box and get a 20 

## newer one with probably better efficacy at the same 21 

## price. This doesn't make any sense to me. 22 

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## operating and hasn't been retired from service. 2 

## MR. COOK: I understand that. But you can 3 

## get a brand new one at the same price, it doesn't 4 

## make sense. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 6 

## MR. STEPHENS: Let me try to explain. 7 

## Let's just assume the 30 year analysis period and the 8 

## lamp you are talking about got purchased in year 28, 9 

## but it's a 10 year lamp. So what you are calculating 10 

## for the 30 year life-cycle analysis is the value -- 11 

## the remaining 8 years of the 10 year lamp that was 12 

## purchased in year 28, am I -- have I got that right? 13 

## I mean just as an example? 14 

## MS. KANTNER: The idea is we want to be 15 

## able to compare lamps at different CSLs -- 16 

## MR. STEPHENS: Different lifetimes? 17 

## MS. KANTNER: -- that have different 18 

## lifetimes. 19 

## MR. STEPHENS: Right so they are just 20 

## equalizing lifetimes and comparing it's an analysis 21 

## function it's not a marketplace function, it's an 22 

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## MS. KANTNER: We are not actually 2 

## suggesting that people will go out and try to get 3 

## some money for this lamp on the second-hand market. 4 

## We are just trying to assign a value to the fact that 5 

## some of these lamps live longer and there's a value 6 

## to the consumer for that longer lifetime. 7 

## MR. STEPHENS: If you stop your analysis 8 

## at 10 years and some of the lamps live twice that 9 

## long then there's a you know, there's a weight there, 10 

## there's a value there for the half of the product, or 11 

## the fraction of the product that lives longer than 12 

## the analysis. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Tom Eckman? 14 

## MR. ECKMAN: Tom Eckman, Northwest Power 15 

## and Conservation. An alternative would have been to 16 

## include the replacement cost of the shorter lighted 17 

## bulb so they all match out right. You could do that 18 

## as well. That's more complicated. 19 

## MS. KANTNER: That might be more 20 

## complicated but that would be an alternative 21 

## approach. 22 

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## other, but you have to normalize so that you are 2 

## looking at the same lifetime for all product types. 3 

## MS. KANTNER: Right, I mean the problem is 4 

## you don't want to penalize a lamp for having more 5 

## life-cycle cost because it lived longer. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, we are going to move 7 

## on now, yes? 8 

## MR. DELASKI: Just one -- on your number, 9 

## the recycling costs are probably lower than a dollar 10 

## and you had 35 to 40% what you estimate of the lamps 11 

## that are recycled in the commercial sector. Is that 12 

## your number for linear lamps? 13 

## MR. HOWLEY: It's the number for all 14 

## fluorescent technology but generally the way this 15 

## works in a company if the company has an edict to 16 

## recycle, the mercury containing lamps, they capture 17 

## all lamps. Companies are not recycling, some should 18 

## but they just don't have that edict but if the edict 19 

## is there they recycle both their CFLs, their 20 

## pin-based, their linear, everything. It depends on 21 

## the company culture but what you are saying is 40% of 22 

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## mercury containing lamps right now. 2 

## MR. DELASKI: Okay thanks for that 3 

## clarification. 4 

## MS. KANTNER: So now to clarify two of the 5 

## primary results of the LCC analysis, that we started 6 

## to discuss earlier: The life-cycle cost calculation 7 

## determines the average cost if all consumers in the 8 

## sample developed earlier were to purchase a GSL at a 9 

## particular efficiency level -- at a particular CSL. 10 

## The LCC savings calculation, on the other hand, is 11 

## intended to represent the likely actual impact on 12 

## consumers. The calculation determines the average 13 

## cost savings if the standard is set at a particular 14 

## CSL, considering the market efficiency distribution 15 

## in the absence of a standard, because some consumers 16 

## would purchase efficient lamps regardless of what a 17 

## standard is set. The LCC savings calculation also 18 

## yields the fraction of consumers expected to 19 

## experience a net cost if a standard is set at a 20 

## particular efficiency level. 21 

## For this rulemaking, a market 22 

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## calculation which means that the market efficiency 2 

## distribution was taken into consideration for both 3 

## the base case, which refers to the case where no 4 

## standard is set, and each candidate standard case 5 

## which refers to the case where a standard is set at a 6 

## particular CSL. 7 

## The efficiency distributions in the 8 

## compliance year were projected as part of the 9 

## Shipments Analysis, using a consumer choice model and 10 

## historic market share data by GSL technology type. 11 

## The consumer choice model will be discussed later. 12 

## Unlike a roll-up approach to calculating 13 

## LCC savings, wherein savings are calculated by 14 

## assuming that consumers who would have purchased less 15 

## efficacious lamps in the absence of a standard, will 16 

## purchase the least efficacious options available to 17 

## them under a standard, the market transformation 18 

## approach accounts for consumers who would select a 19 

## more efficacious -- and sometimes less expensive -- 20 

## GSL than the least efficacious option required under 21 

## a standard. 22 

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## consumers experiencing a net cost, DOE assumed that 2 

## consumers who purchased the most efficacious GSLs in 3 

## the efficiency distribution in the base case would 4 

## also purchase the most efficacious GSLs under a 5 

## standard. 6 

## In other words, DOE assumed that the rank 7 

## order of consumers, in terms of efficiency in a 8 

## standards case would be the same as in the base 9 

## case. 10 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 11 

## Lighting. I'm not sure if this is a question or a 12 

## comment but I think this is going to play out in the 13 

## next slide or 2 so somebody, Mike maybe, asked this 14 

## earlier. You're assuming that the consumer would pay 15 

## the higher price, that's really what I'm landing on 16 

## here is if the consumer had a choice between 2 17 

## products with higher efficiency but one was at the 18 

## minimum efficiency of the CSL you were analyzing you 19 

## approached it as if they would pay the higher price 20 

## that you identified in the pricing determination that 21 

## we kind of know is a little bit off? I just want to 22 

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## insulting, I think that you guys kind of did the best 2 

## you could with what you had but it's clear when the 3 

## least efficient product in this same product type is 4 

## the most expensive option: A, that's probably a sign 5 

## your product that should have been excluded, and B, 6 

## consumers wouldn't purchase that anyway. So I just 7 

## want to make sure I'm really clear, or we're really 8 

## clear, what you analyzed because if that is the 9 

## approach then when you get to the payback and you 10 

## have a hundred year payback I don't think that's a 11 

## realistic calculation. A calculation that shows that 12 

## CSL2 the consumer would take a hundred years to get 13 

## their money back -- in real life that would never 14 

## happen. 15 

## MS. KANTNER: I think what you said was 16 

## not quite correct, so let me try to clarify. So in 17 

## the Shipments Analysis, which we will discuss later, 18 

## we estimated the fraction of consumers who had 19 

## purchased at each CSL. Then we assumed that each 20 

## consumer who did purchase at a particular CSL paid 21 

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## was applied to it. So all the consumers who 2 

## purchased at a particular CSL paid the same price, 3 

## but we didn't assume for a given candidate standard 4 

## case that everyone purchased at the same CSL. That 5 

## efficiency distribution was developed in the 6 

## Shipments Analysis. 7 

## MR. GATTO: Okay, that makes sense. So I 8 

## guess my comment to that is that it all comes back 9 

## to, you know, Lucy, we need to redo the price 10 

## determination piece. I mean that's what it really 11 

## comes down to because you can apply price learning to 12 

## a $30.00 price point, now it's a $25.00 price point, 13 

## the consumer is still not paying that so I don't know 14 

## what the solution is. I'm saying that a lot of times 15 

## you are asking -- what's the solution I don't know, I 16 

## just think that we would all feel better if we had in 17 

## the analysis that on its face looked like it made 18 

## more sense than what we saw. 19 

## And I did skip ahead so I was looking at 20 

## the next page. It just -- we have got to go back and 21 

## redo those prices somehow. 22 

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## on to the next page. 2 

## MS. KANTNER: Here we see the base case 3 

## and standard case efficiency distributions for the 4 

## integrated low-lumen product class in the residential 5 

## sector. For each candidate standard case, or CSC, 6 

## the market share at each efficiency level, or CSL, is 7 

## indicated. 8 

## Note that CSLs 1, 4 and 5 are the most 9 

## popular, and due to the inverted price structure for 10 

## LEDs, CSLs 4 and 5 are preferentially selected over 11 

## CSLs 2 and 3. And we have a couple of items for 12 

## comment. Issue 25, DOE seeks comment on the 13 

## assumption that in the standards case consumers 14 

## purchase lamps that are at least as efficient as the 15 

## ones they would purchase in the absence of standards, 16 

## and Issue 30, LCC savings and the percent of 17 

## consumers affected by a standard were determined 18 

## using the base-case and standards-case efficiency 19 

## distributions. DOE seeks comment on this approach. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Keith? 21 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook with Philips. I 22 

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## just befuddled by this whole thing. It doesn't make 2 

## any sense to us why the more efficacious products are 3 

## lower cost and why people would be buying less 4 

## efficacious products over the more efficacious, a 5 

## little bit more expensive. 6 

## This whole thing doesn't make any sense to 7 

## us and we think what's happening in all honesty is 8 

## this market is so dynamic, it is changing so rapidly 9 

## that the data is not good and a lot of the data you 10 

## have got in here I think is the older stuff and it's 11 

## leading us astray on this whole analysis. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you. 13 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Lucy deButts, DOE. And as I 14 

## said in the intro we welcome any help we can get. 15 

## Any data you can provide would be useful. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: And you all are familiar 17 

## with the capacity to execute an NDA through Navigant 18 

## correct? Don Brundage? 19 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Not trying to tell the 20 

## manufacturers how to do their jobs but I think one 21 

## thing that might be useful if you could provide more 22 

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## some specialty products that are sneaking in here 2 

## such as LEDs that are not omnidirectional in light 3 

## output or color temperature, I think any -- maybe it 4 

## is just a mishmash of vintages of products in a 5 

## rapidly emerging field or maybe there is some clues 6 

## in here based on some of these are not really 7 

## general application products that are showing up in 8 

## weird spots on the payback screen. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Andrew? 10 

## MR. GIALLONARDO: Andrew Giallonardo from 11 

## Natural Resources, Canada. I'm speaking as another 12 

## regulator in having looked at some of these numbers. 13 

## I think we are approaching this a little bit from the 14 

## point of view that all these consumers are rational 15 

## so why would they buy these products but we all know 16 

## that consumers make tons of irrational choices all 17 

## the time. 18 

## And we've said that these lamps that would 19 

## be typically at candidate standards levels 2 and 3 20 

## are in all senses bad lamps for the consumers to buy 21 

## and the predicted sales numbers reflect that l/2 a 22 

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## predicted to be buying these lamps. It's an 2 

## irrational decision but it is probably likely that if 3 

## these lamps are on the market there is some small 4 

## fraction of consumers that will buy the lamps simply 5 

## because not all consumers behave rationally. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Andrew deLaski? 7 

## MR. DELASKI: Yeah I just want to concur 8 

## with the other Andrew to my left that these numbers 9 

## don't seem crazy to me and this is a very 10 

## illuminating slide. I think that the notion that 11 

## there are some less efficacious products out there 12 

## and they are bought and you are showing l/2 of a 13 

## percent of consumers are buying CSL2 lamps and when 14 

## you freshen this analysis for the next stage of the 15 

## rulemaking I wouldn't be surprised if those lamps do 16 

## go away because they may be I suspect they are 17 

## disappearing form the market -- and it would be -- 18 

## but it doesn't really matter. 19 

## The point is that you are only giving them 20 

## 1/2 a percent of the market anyway so if they go away 21 

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## very important is what this is showing me and that's 2 

## what CSL3 also isn't very important, 1.7% market 3 

## share so this is a very illuminating slide, thank 4 

## you, it really shows me and I think your assumptions 5 

## in Issue Box 25 and 26 seem reasonable. I'm sorry 6 

## the numbering is off 25 and 30. 7 

## MS. KANTNER: It matches the TSD. 8 

## MR. DELASKI: The assumptions here are 9 

## that you would assume the same ranking in the base 10 

## case as the standards case for people who would buy a 11 

## more efficacious lamp, it makes good sense to me. I 12 

## don't see why their behavior would be changed. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay Charlie? 14 

## MR. STEPHENS: Yeah I would like to just 15 

## second both of the Andrew's comments here while at 16 

## the same time siding with Dave over here who suggests 17 

## that maybe after we redo the price work we may see 18 

## some different numbers and at that point maybe we'll 19 

## see that the methodology is sound if it delivers a 20 

## different result when we get better pricing. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Ken Rider, you are next. 22 

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## hand. I think this makes a lot of sense just around 2 

## the fact that the industry typically ends up 3 

## congregating around certain wattages and outputs so 4 

## you end up with a large market share for certain 5 

## efficiencies and also in conjunction with the prices 6 

## you were talking about makes a lot of sense to have 7 

## market shares as you have described. 8 

## Going to an earlier part, I had a question 9 

## earlier on the LCC with the lifetimes. You said that 10 

## the remaining life is credited back. My follow-up 11 

## question to that was what about the remaining value 12 

## of the energy savings inherent in the lamp, is that 13 

## also credited or how is that handled? 14 

## MS. KANTNER: No, it's not credited. 15 

## MR. RIDER: So then there's potentially 16 

## missed value of the energy savings left in the lamps? 17 

## MS. KANTNER: It gets complicated, because 18 

## you don't know what the efficacy would be of the 19 

## replacement lamp for the shorter lifetime lamp. 20 

## MR. RIDER: Well, yeah, so I mean like the 21 

## LED is the most efficacious in this case are the 22 

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## efficacious and CSL0 has the shortest life. So the 2 

## concern is if you did analysis on the basis of the 3 

## CSL0 life and you go 10,000 hours and then you just 4 

## credit back the remaining life on the LED you are 5 

## missing a significant amount of energy savings 6 

## associated with the LED and the LCC analysis. 7 

## MS. KANTNER: Thanks for your comment. 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you. Noah? 9 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah with NRDC. I want to 10 

## go back to a point I made earlier and encourage the 11 

## agency to consider setting a CSL between the current 12 

## 1 and 2 that has the same efficacy as CSL2 but a 13 

## shorter lifetime to allow for a more efficient CFL 14 

## than CSL1 to be under consideration, recognizing a 15 

## CFL of 25,000 hours is unlikely. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you. Yes Mike? 17 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan, 18 

## California IOU's. I think this is finally the best 19 

## slide for me to get the answer to this question, but 20 

## I agree with the distribution here and agree with the 21 

## Andrews, both of their comments. But what I am 22 

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## CSL2 did you assume that that lamp cost $34.00 or did 2 

## you assume that it cost $34.00 for -- yeah, did you 3 

## assume that that lamp cost $34.00 for all consumers 4 

## or did you assume it cost $34.00 only for 49% of the 5 

## consumers? 6 

## MS. KANTNER: Maybe we should look at the 7 

## next slide where it starts to -- the LCC results 8 

## might be easier to talk about it. 9 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah move on if that 10 

## illuminates, yeah. 11 

## MS. KANTNER: Yeah, but to answer your 12 

## question: when we calculated the life-cycle costs, 13 

## which are in the table on the left, that was just an 14 

## analytical result intended to represent the average 15 

## cost if all consumers were to purchase at that CSL. 16 

## Now on the right-hand side, in the LCC savings table, 17 

## that's taking into account the base case and 18 

## candidate standard case efficiency distributions we 19 

## talked about on the previous slide. So in that table 20 

## only those in the half of a percent of consumers that 21 

## purchased at that CSL were paying that installed 22 

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## So here are the LCC and LCC savings 2 

## results for the integrated low-lumen product class. 3 

## The life-cycle cost results included installed cost, 4 

## first year operating cost, lifetime operating cost, 5 

## life-cycle cost and simple payback period which can 6 

## be compared to the average lifetime. 7 

## The LCC savings results include the 8 

## fraction of consumers who experienced the net cost 9 

## and the average savings experienced by consumers. We 10 

## see here that for both sectors the max-tech 11 

## efficiency levels shows the lowest life-cycle costs 12 

## and the greatest LCC savings. The results displayed 13 

## here are for the compliance year but due to the 14 

## rapidly evolving lighting market the TSD includes LCC 15 

## and payback period results for 2025 as well. Any 16 

## comments on this slide? 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 18 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Maybe Mike can ask this 19 

## question more articulately. I'm struggling between 20 

## what costs did you assume for the bulb, let's put 21 

## aside installed costs and recycling and things like 22 

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## LCC Cost Analysis verses the LCC Savings Analysis? 2 

## MS. KANTNER: In the LCC cost we were just 3 

## assuming that all consumers in the sample purchased 4 

## at that particular CSL. 5 

## MR. HOROWITZ: At that $30.00 price. 6 

## MS. KANTNER: Ignoring the four lumen bins 7 

## for now, then yes, at that $34.00 price. For the LCC 8 

## savings, we considered the market efficiency 9 

## distribution, so the fraction of the market that 10 

## purchases at each CSL, and then those consumers each 11 

## pay the corresponding price associated with that 12 

## CSL. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: In the preceding table. 14 

## MR. HOROWITZ: I defer to his head nodding 15 

## does that make sense or not. 16 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: I'm trying to match up 17 

## the rows there. So the right table is really the one 18 

## that's the output of the whole thing. 19 

## MS. KANTNER: The right table is intended 20 

## to give DOE's prediction about what is likely to 21 

## happen. The left table is intended to illustrate 22 

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## MR. MCGARAGHAN: So if you look at CSL2 on 2 

## the right table it says 27% of consumers experiencing 3 

## that cost and the average savings is negative. So 4 

## how can that be if no one is really buying products 5 

## right at that level, there's only a half of a percent 6 

## of people buying products right at that level. 7 

## MS. KANTNER: So it is a very small 8 

## percentage of consumers buying at CSLs 2 and 3, that 9 

## small percentage, though, is just enough to push it 10 

## slightly negative because no one purchases at those 11 

## CSLs in the higher candidate standard cases. 12 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Okay, thank you we will 13 

## keep looking at it and I'll come back and make 14 

## comments. 15 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Going to move on now. 16 

## MS. KANTNER: Okay and now here are the 17 

## LCC and LCC savings results for the integrated high18 

## lumen product class above and the non-integrated 19 

## product class below. For the non-integrated product 20 

## class, the LCC results are displayed separately for 21 

## the two lamp options at CSL1 from the Engineering 22 

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## combined considering the estimated fraction of 2 

## consumers who select each option. 3 

## As with the integrated low-lumen product 4 

## class, both of these product classes show the lowest 5 

## life-cycle cost and greatest LCC savings at the max6 

## tech efficiency level. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Just going to give you a 8 

## moment to take a peek at this table, there's a lot of 9 

## data here. Don Brundage? 10 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage, Southern 11 

## Company. At least the numbers go the right 12 

## direction, unlike the previous table. The high lumen 13 

## classes 2,000 to 2,600 lumens, is that correct? 14 

## MS. KANTNER: Yes. 15 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Okay, just based on that 16 

## just to comment back on that previous page. It's 17 

## rather obvious based on your products' lifetimes that 18 

## CSL2 through 5 were CFLs -- were LEDs -- based on the 19 

## 17 year life span and I do have some -- I did have 20 

## some concerns in the upper end of the low-lumen 21 

## product class range, we are at 1,500 to 2,000 about 22 

## product availability for 1,500 to 2,000 on LEDs, butEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## you don't tend to find them that large and if you are 2 

## dealing with compact fluorescents you end up having 3 

## size limitations so I think there needs to be some 4 

## analysis in that upper end of the range. 5 

## I agree with some of the other comments 6 

## that you can get a form factor like a light bulb for 7 

## a 100-watt equivalent or 1,300 lumens but then the 8 

## 1,300 to 2,000 you start having size and availability 9 

## issues first in the CFLs and with the LEDs, so I 10 

## think some analysis is needed before you set a number 11 

## up in the high range about whether there needs to be 12 

## some space constraint classes set up because products 13 

## don't appear to be on the market right now to satisfy 14 

## all consumer needs in the 1,500 to 2,000 lumen range, 15 

## thank you. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Additional 17 

## comments on this other detailed set of tables, okay. 18 

## MS. KANTNER: To account for uncertainty 19 

## in key analysis inputs, DOE considered a number of 20 

## alternative scenarios. The alternative scenarios for 21 

## lifetime have already been discussed. DOE also 22 

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## oxide price. 2 

## In the reference scenario, DOE assumed 3 

## that the rare earth oxide price was constant at the 4 

## June 2014 price and in an alternative scenario that 5 

## rare earth oxide price would be constant at an 6 

## increased level 4 and half times the June 2014 price. 7 

## In estimating electricity prices, DOE used the price 8 

## projections associated with the Annual Energy 9 

## Outlook's reference economic growth scenario but also 10 

## considered alternative scenarios using the 11 

## electricity prices associated with low or high 12 

## economic growth. 13 

## In addition to calculating LCC savings 14 

## using the market transformation approach discussed 15 

## earlier, DOE calculated LCC savings using a roll-up 16 

## approach where consumers who would have purchased a 17 

## GSL below a standard level, select the least 18 

## efficacious lamp available to them. 19 

## As mentioned previously, DOE also 20 

## calculated LCC results for 2025, as well as 2020, 5 21 

## years after the assumed compliance year. Appendix 8B 22 

## includes results for all of these alternativeEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## scenarios and for alternative scenarios associated 2 

## with commercial controls, smart lamp incursion and 3 

## smart lamp stand, which will be discussed later 4 

## during the National Impact Analysis. And we have an 5 

## item for comment. DOE invites comment on the two 6 

## rare earth materials price scenarios analyzed. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Or any other comments on 8 

## these scenarios that we have heard so far? Okay. 9 

## MS. KANTNER: And now my colleague Brian 10 

## Gerke will present the Shipments and National Impact 11 

## Analyses. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Do we want to break for 13 

## lunch we have got 10 slides left. We have about I 14 

## don't know 10 slides should we press on or do you 15 

## want a break? Want to break for lunch? Okay I guess 16 

## we are going to break for lunch. I guess so I cast 17 

## my eyes around the room and I guess most of you want 18 

## to break for lunch, okay we are breaking for lunch. 19 

## It's 5 minutes after 1:00. We'll start back here at 20 

## 2:00. 21 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Welcome back we are going 2 

## to pick up where we left off so we are going to hear 3 

## from Brian Gerke. 4 

## MR. GERKE: Welcome back everyone. I'm 5 

## Brian Gerke from Lawrence Berkeley National Lab and I 6 

## will be discussing the shipments model and the 7 

## National Impacts Analysis. I apologize in advance, I 8 

## think I woke up with a bit of a frog in my throat 9 

## this morning so if I have to clear my throat a lot, 10 

## that's why. 11 

## In the Shipments Analysis DOE projects 12 

## shipments over a 30 year analysis period starting on 13 

## the expected compliance date of the rule being 14 

## considered. In this case the analysis period runs 15 

## from 2020 to 2049. In this preliminary analysis 16 

## separate shipments projections were computed for a 17 

## base case and 5 candidate standards cases. 18 

## The shipment's projection methodology 19 

## accounts for turn-over and growth in the installed 20 

## socket for analyzed GSLs in the U.S. Crucially the 21 

## Shipments Analysis assumed that the EISA 2007 back 22 

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## GSLs will be available below the baseline during the 2 

## analysis period. 3 

## In the base case and each of the CSCs the 4 

## shipments are disaggregated among the lamp options 5 

## considered in the LCC analysis. The disaggregation 6 

## was performed via a consumer choice model which 7 

## accounts for consumer sensitivities to various 8 

## properties of the representative lamps as listed here 9 

## on the slide. 10 

## MR. COOK: Keith from Philips. Quick 11 

## question what do you mean by the candidate standard 12 

## case? 13 

## MR. GERKE: A candidate standards case is 14 

## an analytical case in which the standard is assumed 15 

## to be set at one of the candidate standard levels. 16 

## So there's a subtle distinction between the two. 17 

## The consumer choice module -- this slide 18 

## shows a schematic diagram of the consumer choice 19 

## model that derives the shipments projection. In each 20 

## year of the model demand is estimated from 3 sources 21 

## as shown the slide, new construction, direct 22 

## replacement of retired lamps and the substitution ofEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## lamps considered in this analysis for lamps that are 2 

## outside of the scope of this analysis such as GSILs. 3 

## The estimated demand is then fed into the 4 

## demand module which apportioned some demand to 5 

## substitute products outside the scope of this 6 

## analysis, such as integrated LED luminairres. The 7 

## remainder of the demand is fed into the consumer 8 

## choice module. 9 

## Product price and feature information are 10 

## also input into the consumer choice module which 11 

## outputs a projection of the shipments per efficiency 12 

## level for each of the years being considered. These 13 

## shipments are then fed back into the price learning 14 

## module in the following year, which adjusts prices 15 

## according to a learning curve approach which I will 16 

## discuss next, to produce price inputs for the 17 

## following year of the model. Further details of this 18 

## model can be found in Chapter 9 of the TSD. 19 

## Learning curves model prices as a power 20 

## law function of the cumulative historical shipments 21 

## of a product. In simple terms this means that the 22 

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## time the cumulative shipments double. As the 2 

## cumulative shipments grow, the doubling time 3 

## lengthens and so the annual rate of price decline 4 

## slows. 5 

## In this Preliminary Analysis DOE applied 6 

## learning curves to the two technologies -- CFL and 7 

## LED lamps -- separately because LEDs were introduced 8 

## much more recently than CFLs. Early in the analysis 9 

## period the price of LEDs falls much faster per year 10 

## than that price of CFLs because LED shipments 11 

## currently have a much shorter doubling time. 12 

## DOE found evidence that the learning curve 13 

## for LEDs has recently been steeper as a function of 14 

## cumulative shipments than the historical CFL learning 15 

## curve. That is, the price of LEDs is falling faster 16 

## for each doubling of cumulative shipments than the 17 

## price of CFLs did historically. 18 

## However, in the Reference Analysis DOE 19 

## assumed that the learning rates for the two 20 

## technologies were identical at the historical CFL 21 

## rate. That is, DOE assumed that the LED learning 22 

## rate for recent years will slow somewhat from itsEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## recent trend. 2 

## An Alternative Analysis considered the 3 

## possibility that the LED learning curve will remain 4 

## steeper than the CFL learning curve throughout the 5 

## analysis period. For CFLs, as mentioned earlier, 6 

## price learning was not applied to the portion of the 7 

## CFL price that is attributable to the cost of rare 8 

## earth oxides. 9 

## This table shows again the product prices 10 

## from the product price determination. As highlighted 11 

## in the table the product price determination found 12 

## that for both CFLs and LEDs, the price of the less 13 

## efficacious lamp option or options was significantly 14 

## higher than the more efficacious counterparts. 15 

## DOE assumed for the purpose of the price 16 

## learning that this structure occurs because the less 17 

## efficient lamp options entered the market earlier 18 

## when the price of the technologies was higher and 19 

## that these products are now effectively obsolete and 20 

## will soon be supplanted by cheaper, more efficacious 21 

## options. 22 

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## undergo the R&D efforts that would drive price 2 

## learning. For this reason DOE did not apply learning 3 

## curves to the least efficacious CFL or to the two 4 

## least efficacious LED lamp options. The lack of a 5 

## price trend means that these lamps exit the market 6 

## quickly in the base case shipments projection. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes. 8 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse. A 9 

## couple of things in here, I think this is the place 10 

## Colleen was saying that the price learning for CFLs 11 

## would be priced low, let me start with that. What -- 12 

## we kind of see CFLs as a mature product where there 13 

## really isn't any more price learning, but what it 14 

## sounds like you are saying just now is that you are 15 

## considering the base model as not having any price 16 

## learning because it is obsolete and that CSL1 which 17 

## you are still calling CFL on the slide would have 18 

## price learning. 19 

## So I think the first thing that I would 20 

## say there is that CSL0 is not obsolete. It's a 21 

## covered lamp that we want to make sure we preserve in 22 

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## efficiency it's lower efficiency because it meets a 2 

## certain utility. 3 

## For CSL1 I don't know that any of those 4 

## prices are right so I won't get into that again, I 5 

## think we all kind of know we need to do some more 6 

## work, but for CSL1 if you are assuming that this is 7 

## either an existing CFL that meets the slightly higher 8 

## efficacy being a bare spiral of your base case or you 9 

## are assuming that it's to be developed CFL that is 10 

## slightly more efficient than the current, I would 11 

## like to know what price learning you applied. 12 

## I would say for and we can put all of this 13 

## in the NEMA comments but I guess for the record I 14 

## would like to say that I don't think there is any 15 

## more price learning in CFL. There's no R&D, there's 16 

## no more blood from that stone and the item that you 17 

## selected is an existing product, it is not a new 18 

## technology that would have price learning associated 19 

## with it. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thanks. 21 

## MR. GATTO: So do you know the answer if 22 

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## learning, what percentage and how far out did you 2 

## take it? 3 

## MR. GERKE: Well the red curve shows the 4 

## price learning, or the price trend over time for the 5 

## CSL1 lamp. As you can see it's fairly flat, it's a 6 

## very, very minor reduction. Because it is a mature 7 

## product so the price doubling time is very long, and 8 

## shipments of this product are declining over the 9 

## analysis period as you will see, so not much happens. 10 

## MR. GATTO: Okay thank you. 11 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley, GE. If the 12 

## volume goes down too low it actually might go up to 13 

## the reverse happening where you see the prices go 14 

## down as volume goes up. 15 

## MR. HOWLEY: But you also see the prices 16 

## go up if volume went down too far. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay yes Mike? 18 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan, 19 

## California IOU's. Brian I'm sorry I know you said it 20 

## but could you just explain again why you decided to 21 

## hold CSL2 and 3 with no learning but CSL4 and 5 with 22 

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## MR. GERKE: The assumption is that those 2 2 

## lamps are essentially already obsolete products so 3 

## they are going to remain at the price level that they 4 

## currently have on the market, not falling any further 5 

## whereas the more efficacious lamps will continue to 6 

## be developed, dropping in price. 7 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: So just an observation 8 

## the more -- when you say the more efficacious lamps 9 

## will continue to be developed, I think what you mean 10 

## is they will continue to get more efficacious and 11 

## cheaper. So even -- I mean you could make a case 12 

## that the current higher efficiency LED lamps right 13 

## now are going to be a thing of the past in a year or 14 

## two. 15 

## So I guess I don't know how -- what I 16 

## would propose that you do differently but I'm not 17 

## sure why one is getting you know, why one has an 18 

## assumed learning rate and the other doesn't because 19 

## they are all in the same boat. 20 

## MR. GERKE: If you can come up with 21 

## something I'd be happy to hear a comment on it. I 22 

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## this later, an efficacy trend was not applied to this 2 

## either. We are considering ways of handling the 3 

## issue that you are discussing and input on how to do 4 

## that is very welcome. 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie Stephens? No, 6 

## okay. So I just wanted to make sure that we lingered 7 

## here long enough to get all the comments since this 8 

## provoked so much comment earlier okay. 9 

## MR. GERKE: In addition to the baseline 10 

## trend DOE also found evidence for differential trends 11 

## in the price of LED, GSLs in different lumen ranges. 12 

## The price of higher lumen LEDs has been falling more 13 

## rapidly recently than the price of lower lumen LEDs. 14 

## In this Preliminary Analysis DOE modeled this as an 15 

## exponential time trend on the price increment between 16 

## lamps in the lowest lumen range and the higher lumen 17 

## lamps. 18 

## The rates of decline were based on recent 19 

## market observations. DOE assumed in this Preliminary 20 

## Analysis that there is no lower limit on these price 21 

## increments and recent trends suggest that the price 22 

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## shown on the figure. 2 

## DOE seeks comments on these assumptions. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie Stephens? 4 

## MR. STEPHENS: Charlie Stephens. Can you 5 

## say from your analysis what the correlation is 6 

## between the lower lumens and the lower efficacy? As 7 

## Mike McGaraghan pointed out earlier if the trend is 8 

## higher lumen packages and higher efficacy and lower 9 

## prices which suggests there's some correlation in the 10 

## data, co-linearity if you will in the lumen levels 11 

## and efficacy and pricing. So I guess what I'm seeing 12 

## here doesn't surprise me. It's almost like the two, 13 

## 2 of the lines are CSLs 2 and 3 and 2 of the lines 14 

## are CSLs 4 and 5. 15 

## MR. GERKE: They look similar although 16 

## these are actually differential movements that we 17 

## considered. 18 

## MR. STEPHENS: I get that, I'm just 19 

## wondering how much correlation there is to where you 20 

## know why wouldn't this be the case? 21 

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## sense. I mean you have to have more lumen material 2 

## to do twice as much lumen I mean assuming there's 3 

## improvements in both, whatever materials, electronic 4 

## stuff in there you are going to have more of it with 5 

## the one that has twice the light output. Even among 6 

## the most mature technology imaginable standard 7 

## incandescents you get a bigger test in filament and 8 

## it's a slightly more expensive bulb for a 100 watt 9 

## than a 60 watt so I don't understand. 10 

## I feel like you are hearing trends, you 11 

## are extrapolating trends beyond reasonable limits. 12 

## You can come up with exactly the same price across 13 

## all lamp sizes. 14 

## MR. GERKE: So input on what the minimum 15 

## price difference might be would be extremely helpful 16 

## in developing a better model. 17 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie, follow up? 18 

## MR. STEPHENS: Yeah this is not an unusual 19 

## thing with technologies in a lot of cases. Once you 20 

## figure out how to do more with less prices often go 21 

## down. Once you aren't using as much power you don't 22 

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## gets lighter. You can put more of them in a package 2 

## and at the same time improve what you are providing 3 

## and the level of service and it's true across a lot 4 

## of products and so it doesn't surprise me that we are 5 

## seeing this trend. It's more light out of smaller 6 

## packages at higher efficacies. 7 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage, Southern 8 

## Company. I would agree with that -- that the same 9 

## trends would also apply to the 300 through 500 10 

## lumens. They should still be slightly cheaper than a 11 

## 1,500 lumen lamp, that's what I was saying. 12 

## MR. STEPHENS: Well I accept that we all 13 

## saw the earlier LEDs that came out there were no 14 

## 1,600 lumen products because they had not figured out 15 

## how to make a 1,600 lumen product with a small enough 16 

## heat sink and a form factor that would actually work. 17 

## It took them a while to get to the point where the 18 

## thing was efficient enough where you could get that 19 

## kind of lumen output. 20 

## So early on you see smaller lumen packages 21 

## and then over time you can get more and more out of 22 

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## lumens in what used to look like an 800 lumen 2 

## package. 3 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: But the 800 lumen package 4 

## would also get cheaper too. 5 

## MR. STEPHENS: Yes it would but if you are 6 

## looking at historical data it looks like this. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 8 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah with NRDC. I think 9 

## you've got this partially right. I agree that the 10 

## cost will be coming down for all these light packages 11 

## and that the incremental costs will shrink. I don't 12 

## think it goes to zero, so in a more mature market 13 

## call it, it looks like eye-balling this 20, 22 or 14 

## somewhere around there you are saying regardless of 15 

## the light output all of these bulbs will be the same 16 

## cost and I think a 450 lumen or a higher volume bulb, 17 

## call it the 800 lumen bulb is cheaper to make than 18 

## the 1,600 lumen. It has fewer LEDs, less heat sink, 19 

## smaller driver so I guess a question to industry is 20 

## would you price them the same way or do you expect 21 

## there to be some incremental cost, albeit smaller 22 

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## So I don't have a proposal what's greater 2 

## than the zero but I don't think it's zero. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you. Additional 4 

## thoughts, you see there the issue request box Number 5 

## 40, any additional yes Mike? 6 

## MR. MCGARAGHAN: Mike McGaraghan. So I 7 

## would agree with the last several comments and the 8 

## question I have is why aren't we already seeing or 9 

## how do we end up with the lines all on top of each 10 

## other if they are all based on different data 11 

## streams? I assume that the purple line and the 12 

## green line and red line are all based on real data 13 

## that you collected? 14 

## MR. GERKE: They are extrapolations of 15 

## real data that a trend is seen in recent years and we 16 

## have assumed that these are exponential trends and 17 

## that it can drop to zero which is an assumption 18 

## because we have no good information on what the 19 

## minimum price difference might be, therefore the 20 

## incremental price vanishes under that trend and we 21 

## are seeking comment on the incremental price would be 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Dave you have some industry 2 

## perspective? 3 

## MR. GATTO: I don't know whether I can 4 

## give that. I think my challenge is that I would 5 

## agree that the trend is going to continue. I'm not 6 

## sure if it's at that sequence, my eyes are bad and I 7 

## can't actually see what year that kicks in. And I 8 

## agree -- I think we're -- that you are going to have 9 

## cost differences because there's component 10 

## differences to deliver those different lumen bins. 11 

## So what I would suggest is that you have 12 

## chosen to assume that there's no reason why it 13 

## wouldn't go to zero and I would suggest is you 14 

## reverse that. You assume it can't go to zero and 15 

## re-analyze it. So what those percentages are, you 16 

## know when we do individual manufacturing interviews 17 

## we can all provide some confidential data but I'm not 18 

## sure that I would even know. 19 

## What I do know though is that the odds of 20 

## the highest volume item being priced as the same as a 21 

## lower volume item when the lower volume item has more 22 

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## market sense to me so I don't know where exactly we 2 

## will end up. You may be better served to assume that 3 

## there are similar trends towards higher efficiency 4 

## lower cost, but that there is no scenario under which 5 

## that would normalize to zero at the higher lumen 6 

## levels. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay thank you, additional 8 

## thoughts on this? 9 

## MR. GERKE: The Shipments Analysis made 10 

## two more key assumptions in the integrated low end 11 

## product class. First the efficacy of each lamp 12 

## option was assumed to be constant over the analysis 13 

## period as I mentioned earlier. Second, a market 14 

## shift away from GSILs and toward CFLs and LEDs away 15 

## from GSILs and toward's CFLs and LEDs was assumed to 16 

## occur in the earlier years in the analysis which 17 

## slightly boosts shipments in the analyzed lamps. 18 

## Prior to 2020 a fixed percentage of the 19 

## GSIL market was assumed to switch in each year. In 20 

## 2020 and after all retiring GSILs were assumed to be 21 

## replaced by CFLs or LEDs leading to a large spike in 22 

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## impact of the EISA back stop. 2 

## This figure shows the predicted shipments 3 

## of integrated low lumen CFLs and LEDs for both the 4 

## base case and for standards case 5, which assumed a 5 

## standard set at the maximum efficacy level considered 6 

## here. The dashed lines indicate the base case; the 7 

## solid lines indicate the standards case. 8 

## As shown in the base case, LED shipments 9 

## are projected to roughly equal -- the LED shipments 10 

## are projected to roughly equal CFL shipments by 2020 11 

## and rapidly supplant them thereafter, however at 12 

## residual level of CFL shipments remains throughout 13 

## the analysis period. 14 

## In the standards case CFLs are eliminated 15 

## from the market in 2020 leading to a significant 16 

## boost in LED shipments early in the analysis period. 17 

## DOE requests comment on its assumptions regarding 18 

## market shifts away from GSILs prior to 2020. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: No comments? 20 

## MR. GERKE: When projecting the shipments 21 

## of the integrated high lumen and non-integrated 22 

## GSLs, DOE made some further assumptions. For theEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## integrated high lumen GSLs DOE assumed that such 2 

## lamps make up 3% of the installed stock of integrated 3 

## GSLs in the United States and that this fraction 4 

## will remain constant over the analysis period. For 5 

## the non-integrated GSLs DOE assumed that such lamps 6 

## will remain a constant fraction of the installed GSL 7 

## stock in the commercial sector throughout the 8 

## analysis period. 9 

## DOE also assumed that the reduced wattage 10 

## non-integrated lamp option, the reduced wattage 11 

## non-integrated lamp option is a niche product owing 12 

## to its very limited availability currently. DOE 13 

## therefore assumed that this lamp option will remain a 14 

## constant and small fraction of all integrated GSL 15 

## shipments over the analysis period in the base case 16 

## and in all standards cases. DOE seeks comment on 17 

## these assumptions. 18 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Andrew? 19 

## MR. DELASKI: Just a question, what is the 20 

## source on the data for the 3% number on the first 21 

## bullet for the lamps over 2,000 lumens? 22 

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## from a number of different sources including the LMC 2 

## and several of the metering studies that are out 3 

## there. The details for that were developed in the 4 

## TSD and perhaps Colleen could tell more? 5 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Colleen? 6 

## MS. KANTNER: Colleen Kantner, Lawrence 7 

## Berkeley National Lab. I believe that was based on 8 

## model counts of lamps above 2,000 lumens and between 9 

## 1,490 and 1999. 10 

## MR. GERKE: So it was looking at the 11 

## counts of models on the market in the absence of 12 

## anything else to work from. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Dave? 14 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 15 

## Lighting. I just want to make sure that I understood 16 

## that. So when you say model counts you have looked 17 

## at those 4 channels of distribution and you saw that 18 

## there were some over 2,000 products in the market and 19 

## assumed that some were being bought by consumers for 20 

## residential purposes? 21 

## MS. KANTNER: We had market share data on 22 

## how many were in the highest EISA lumen bin, whichEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## goes from -- I think it's from 1,490 to 2,600 -- and 2 

## then we did model counts for those that were above 3 

## and below 2,000 lumens within that grouping and then 4 

## split the market share between those two classes. 5 

## MR. GATTO: With the incandescent products 6 

## in that lumen bin or -- 7 

## MS. KANTNER: For all GSLs. 8 

## MR. GATTO: Okay, thanks. 9 

## MR. DELASKI: And how are reflectors 10 

## reflected in this number? Are they out of this 11 

## number all together? 12 

## MR. GERKE: Reflectors are not analyzed 13 

## here so this is all for A lamps. 14 

## MR. DELASKI: Okay so at one point in the 15 

## TSD it says that reflectors that are not incandescent 16 

## reflectors might be a general service lamp. 17 

## MR. GERKE: They fall under the proposed 18 

## definition of GSL in the TSD but DOE is not 19 

## currently considering setting standards for those 20 

## lamps. 21 

## MR. DELASKI: So therefore high output GSL 22 

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## okay. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe? 3 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley, GE. Your second 4 

## box there on your continuing prevalence of 5 

## non-integrated GSLs I assume you are talking about 6 

## installed fixtures with pin based compact 7 

## fluorescent? 8 

## MR. GERKE: That's right. 9 

## MR. HOWLEY: And you are holding them 10 

## constant from 2020 to 2050? 11 

## MR. GERKE: As a fraction of the 12 

## commercial market for GSLs. 13 

## MR. HOWLEY: So I would expect that 14 

## fraction to get smaller and smaller over that 30 year 15 

## period because low wattage integrated LED fixtures we 16 

## would expect to become more common over that period 17 

## and pin based CFLs would probably be less commonly 18 

## used over that period. So holding it constant over 19 

## that 30 years is probably it is way too optimistic of 20 

## an assumption for the continued sale of those 21 

## products over that time period. I would suggest some 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Joe would you guess at the 2 

## decline rate? 3 

## MR. HOWLEY: I have no crystal ball, all I 4 

## could say and it's 3% now so how low can it go but it 5 

## will certainly go lower than that over the 30 year 6 

## period. 7 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah. 8 

## MR. GERKE: Any kind of concrete input on 9 

## either that or on the 3% of the high, integrated 10 

## high lumen would be very helpful in trying to develop 11 

## something more realistic. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 13 

## MR. STEPHENS: Charlie Stephens. I agree 14 

## with Joe and one place you might want to go for that 15 

## I mean just as a start is you might look at the 16 

## remodel rate for the commercial buildings that have 17 

## these things because I think starting already, almost 18 

## every building that's remodeled is going to be 19 

## putting in some sort of an LED product. If they 20 

## aren't doing it today by next year they will and 21 

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## is going to revert to LEDs and they are going to 2 

## have fancier controls and they are going to be 3 

## connected and you know -- so I think. 4 

## MR. GERKE: It would be straightforward to 5 

## put that assumption in the model. I think that is 6 

## reasonable that is one thing that we can do but if 7 

## there is something more sophisticated -- 8 

## MR. STEPHENS: Just look at your remodel 9 

## rate and maybe there's a plateau somewhere at 20% or 10 

## something, it doesn't just hangs in there for a long 11 

## time but the rest of it all gets remodeled into LED 12 

## over the period. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Two comment 14 

## boxes here, any additional thoughts before we move 15 

## on? 16 

## MR. HOWLEY: Just one last comment on the 17 

## reduced wattage pin base lamps, it's Joe Howley, is 18 

## that they are a niche product right now. They 19 

## certainly aren't available across the whole base 20 

## product line and there is very limited sales of those 21 

## today, nor is there availability of all of those in a 22 

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## product to base your analysis on with regard to that 2 

## reduced wattage and baseline. 3 

## MR. GERKE: Your statements are 4 

## essentially the rationale that we used for making 5 

## that assumption so I'm glad that we agree. 6 

## In addition to the Reference Shipments 7 

## Analysis DOE performed several alternative scenario 8 

## analyses varying certain key assumptions. As 9 

## mentioned earlier in its Reference Analysis DOE 10 

## assumed CFLs and LEDs have the same learning rate and 11 

## in the Alternative Analysis DOE instead assumed that 12 

## LEDs have a faster learning rate as a function of 13 

## cumulative shipments than CFLs, matching recent 14 

## observations. 15 

## DOE also performed an Alternative Analysis 16 

## in which prices were held fixed for all products 17 

## which allows one to gauge the impact of the price 18 

## learning on the analysis. In its Reference Analysis 19 

## DOE assumed an increasing fraction of GSL demand 20 

## would be fulfilled by integrated LED luminairers 21 

## growing to 15% of demand by 2049. In two alternative 22 

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## 50% or zero at the end of the analysis period. 2 

## DOE also considered the same alternative 3 

## lifetime scenarios and the alternative price scenario 4 

## discussed in the LCC section. DOE requests comment 5 

## on these scenarios. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Noah? 7 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah Horowitz, NRDC. Just 8 

## to reiterate a point made earlier we think the 9 

## assumption of 5 years that an LED is going to be 10 

## replaced is too small on the early replacement, we 11 

## think a larger number is needed for that scenario. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Keith? 13 

## MR. COOK: Keith Cook from Philips. Just 14 

## to comment on rare earth oxides -- I have seen some 15 

## reports they are out there on the web talking about 16 

## the rare earth oxides and right now they are saying 17 

## that they expect those prices to go up again. The 18 

## reason being of course that China still produces 96% 19 

## of the world's supply and now they have consolidated 20 

## their production and they are actually controlling 21 

## production quantities and so they are anticipating 22 

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## MR. GERKE: Thanks for that comment. If 2 

## you could put that in the written comments we would 3 

## be very interested in seeing them. 4 

## Okay, two more comment boxes. DOE 5 

## requests any representative data on GSL shipments as 6 

## they become them available in order to improve the 7 

## accuracy of the Shipments Analysis. We have touched 8 

## on some specific cases where that is true but it is 9 

## also true in general. 10 

## DOE also requests comment and data on 11 

## current market shares and market trends for GSLs in 12 

## the commercial sector. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Noah? 14 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Sorry to have this go 15 

## backwards but this will help us go forward. NOAH 16 

## with NRDC, if you go to Slide 67, is it possible to 17 

## blow up the figure in the corner, at the left bottom? 18 

## Market share by lumen range -- if not, you can just 19 

## leave it there so we can see that. 20 

## If we can do this we can do anything. All 21 

## right, I think a general question or a request for 22 

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## distribution look like earlier? We had a 2 

## conversation 3% of the models might be in that very 3 

## high lumen light output bucket. Here it looks like 4 

## more than roughly a third of the market is less than 5 

## the old 60 watt light bulb which is larger than some 6 

## of us might have thought so where did the red bars 7 

## come from? If you could provide a further breakdown, 8 

## that would be very helpful. 9 

## MR. GERKE: Colleen could you field that 10 

## one? 11 

## MS. KANTNER: Sure. Colleen Kantner, 12 

## Lawrence Berkeley National Lab. So the red data, 13 

## which is for the residential sector, came from the 14 

## Cadeo Group, where they had data from a major mass15 

## market retailer directed towards the residential 16 

## sector. 17 

## MR. HOROWITZ: I guess a follow-up 18 

## question is what's the time period that that data was 19 

## collected? This gets to 60 watt and 40 watt part of 20 

## the market just went into effect so if they did it 12 21 

## months ago we probably didn't see the effect. 22 

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## the past year. 2 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Okay thanks. 3 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 4 

## MR. STEPHENS: Just a quick question here. 5 

## I noticed that this is the first time thanks to your 6 

## blowing it up that I noticed you are starting or you 7 

## are ending again there at 750 lumens. It isn't 8 

## really consistent with the bins you used earlier for 9 

## selecting product to analyze. You went -- I think 10 

## you said you were looking for stuff between 700 and 11 

## 900 that sort of yields potentially a little bit of a 12 

## data inconsistence in the analysis if you are 13 

## actually using this data for anything. Is that going 14 

## to introduce any kind of an error band, I guess I'm 15 

## kind of wondering how much of the product you are 16 

## referring to with your base case and your analysis is 17 

## in the 700 to 750 bin versus the 750 to 900 bin 18 

## because you have got a split here, you have got 750 19 

## to 1,050. 20 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Are these the EISA bins? 21 

## MR. GERKE: Yes these are the EISA bins 22 

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## MR. STEPHENS: Is there any benefit to 2 

## doing your analysis based on the EISA bins if you are 3 

## going to use this data for that? 4 

## MR. GERKE: This is the data -- these are 5 

## the bins in which we were able to get this data is 6 

## another reason. 7 

## MR. STEPHENS: I understand that but I 8 

## guess, you know, sometimes if it is best data 9 

## sometimes it pays to conform your analysis to your 10 

## best data or at least I watched a mobile home 11 

## analysis like this go on where they drew the bins in 12 

## exactly the wrong places where the same home could 13 

## fall into two different bins, that's not really a 14 

## good way to have it. 15 

## MR. GERKE: I'm not sure how much there is 16 

## in the 700 or 750 range. 17 

## MR. STEPHENS: Well I'm equally as 18 

## concerned about the 900 to 1,050 range which is in 19 

## the you know, kind of the middle of your -- it 20 

## divides your next bin here in half. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thanks Charlie. Additional 22 

## comments related to this graphic proposal okay.Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## MR. GERKE: Any other on this slide -- 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. 3 

## MR. GERKE: Now I will discuss the 4 

## National Impact Analysis or NIA which estimates the 5 

## national energy savings and net present value that 6 

## would be associated with each candidate standards 7 

## case for GSLs shipped between 2020 and 2049. NIA 8 

## uses the shipments model to estimate the total 9 

## installed stock of GSLs in each year. These stock 10 

## estimates are then used to develop an annual series 11 

## of aggregate national energy consumption and consumer 12 

## cost values. 13 

## The analysis accounts for the time value 14 

## of money using discount rates of 3 and 7% which are 15 

## standard in DOE rulemaking analyses. These are the 16 

## NIA results in the Reference Analysis for each of 17 

## the standard candidate's standards cases. The 18 

## national energy savings ranges from .02 to .5 quads, 19 

## net present value is positive in each case and ranges 20 

## from 1 to a bit over 2 billion dollars at a 7% 21 

## discount rate. 22 

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## discussed in the LCC and the shipment sections was 2 

## also considered in the NIA. DOE also considered 3 

## several additional alternative scenarios in the NIA 4 

## only. In the reference scenario DOE assumed that the 5 

## prevalence of lighting controls increases in the 6 

## commercial sector over the analysis period as floor 7 

## space is brought into compliance with building codes 8 

## that require them. 9 

## DOE also analyzed an alternative scenario 10 

## in which commercial lighting controls were held fixed 11 

## at current levels of penetration to gauge the impact 12 

## of this assumption. In the reference scenario DOE 13 

## assumed that the prevalence of smart LED lamps with 14 

## built-in dimming functionality would grow over the 15 

## analysis period to reach 50% of shipments of LEDs by 16 

## the end of the period. 17 

## DOE performed an alternative analysis in 18 

## which smart lamps were excluded and another in which 19 

## the market share grew to 100% by the end of the 20 

## analysis period. In this Reference Analysis DOE 21 

## assumed that the stand-by power associated with smart 22 

## lamps is negligible. DOE also performed anEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## alternative analysis in which all smart lamps were 2 

## assumed to have a 1 watt stand-by load when in the 3 

## off mode. 4 

## Based on the available evidence DOE 5 

## assumed zero rebound effect for lighting in 6 

## residential and commercial sectors. DOE also 7 

## considered alternative scenarios and higher rebound 8 

## rates. DOE welcomes comments on these alternative 9 

## scenarios and on any other scenarios that should be 10 

## considered. 11 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Tom Eckman? 12 

## MR. ECKMAN: What was this? Was there an 13 

## assumption of the operation of the smart lamps, did 14 

## they turn themselves off, did they brighten 15 

## themselves, dim themselves? 16 

## MR. GERKE: They were assumed to have 17 

## dimming and so there are assumed to be some energy 18 

## savings associated with that dimming, it was the 19 

## standard 30% that we were using for controls 20 

## throughout the rest of the analysis. 21 

## MR. ECKMAN: So that applied in the base 22 

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## MR. GERKE: By the end of the analysis. 2 

## MR. ECKMAN: By the end of the analysis. 3 

## MR. HOWLEY: Joe Howley with GE. Just you 4 

## are assuming zero rebound effect but based on your 5 

## analysis you are showing that more people are running 6 

## LEDs and CFLs for a longer period of time versus 7 

## incandescent based on some of the earlier comments 8 

## which would suggest that there would be at least some 9 

## rebound effect where people would leave these on 10 

## longer simply because they don't use a lot of energy 11 

## and they last a long time as opposed to 12 

## incandescents. 13 

## It's just -- it would seem like some 14 

## rebound effect is more likely than no rebound effect 15 

## at all. 16 

## MR. GERKE: To be clear the assumption 17 

## about the hours of use assumes that CFLs and LEDs 18 

## are currently used in different applications and 19 

## incandescents but that during the analysis period 20 

## incandescents will be gone so the set of 21 

## applications -- 22 

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## MR. KANTNER: Can you also clarify if you 2 

## think that rebound is applicable when moving from 3 

## CFLs to LEDs? 4 

## MR. HOWLEY: That's harder. I think 5 

## that's much harder because they are both viewed as 6 

## long-life products by the consumer, but I think 7 

## moving from incandescent to LED or halogen there is 8 

## definitely a perception there that these don't use a 9 

## lot of energy and last a long time. And it's not 10 

## just -- you mentioned one reason why there might be a 11 

## rebound effect, I'm suggesting there is probably more 12 

## than one reason why there might be a rebound effect 13 

## and you dismissed one of the reasons but I don't 14 

## think you have dismissed all of the reasons why there 15 

## might be a rebound effect. 16 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Tom? 17 

## MR. ECKMAN: Unfortunately the history of 18 

## the deployment of that technology particular CFLs, 19 

## now LEDs, through utility programs and others is 20 

## they were told -- people were told put these in high 21 

## use areas so that the data is biased by the 22 

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## these in high use areas so when we collected the data 2 

## on whole house lighting versus CFL lighting, CFL 3 

## lighting clearly was biased high because we told them 4 

## to put them in places that ran 3 hours a day or 5 

## longer to start with so it's a factor in the history 6 

## of the data. We just recommended that they put them 7 

## in high use areas so it's not clear that there was a 8 

## rebound there but we told them to put them in 9 

## kitchens where they use it 4 hours a day instead of 10 

## closets where they use them a half hour a year. 11 

## So when we collect the data obviously they 12 

## did, they took the recommendations. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: You mean they listened, oh 14 

## my goodness. Dave? 15 

## MR. GATTO: Dave Gatto, Westinghouse 16 

## Lighting. And Tom I kind of see where you are at but 17 

## I would say that I'm kind of where Joe is on that and 18 

## probably on the smart lamp as well that making the 19 

## assumption that it's zero from an analytical 20 

## standpoint is probably not your best reference case. 21 22 

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## prices are high and people are very aware of what the 2 

## incandescent is costing them. They leave every light 3 

## in the house off, but I can speak just from my own 4 

## family. When my wife knew an LED was in she would 5 

## leave that one kitchen light on so she wasn't in the 6 

## dark. It sounds silly but I think that there is some 7 

## whatever that number is, there's probably some minor 8 

## rebound effect. 9 

## The other thing is on smart lamp stand-by 10 

## power it's odd to me that you selected no stand-by 11 

## power. This is a developing product there aren't a 12 

## lot out there but they really come -- the lamps that 13 

## are smart lamps so to speak that are plug and play, 14 

## traditionally no different than a fan remote control. 15 

## There has to be power present, the switch has to be 16 

## left on for them to offer that functionality and even 17 

## if it's a very, very minor amount of power, there's 18 

## some power consumption so that that lamp can wait to 19 

## hear whatever control signal is coming in, whether 20 

## it's WIFI or blue tooth or Zigbee. 21 

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## new that you might have to kind of make a guess but 2 

## zero doesn't make any sense to me. There would have 3 

## to be some stand-by power associated with a smart 4 

## lamp, otherwise the switch is off and it wouldn't 5 

## work. 6 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 7 

## MR. STEPHENS: Charlie Stephens. Yeah and 8 

## I think along those same lines I think it's a mistake 9 

## to assume that controls and smart lamps enable only 10 

## the ability to turn the lamp off and therefore 11 

## there's some amount of energy savings. It also 12 

## allows you to leave the lamp on. A lamp that you 13 

## ordinarily would turn off because if you left it on 14 

## it would be on for days while you were gone, you 15 

## could leave it on for hours a day while you are gone 16 

## for 2 weeks on vacation and so now you could leave it 17 

## on whereas before you might have turned it off just 18 

## because you didn't want to leave it on for 3 weeks. 19 

## So I don't think your controls are always 20 

## going to subtract from energy consumption. 21 

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## something and I think Colleen mentioned the rebound 2 

## assumptions that we are using are based on 3 

## meta-analysis that is published that considered a 4 

## large number of studies into lighting rebound and so 5 

## comments that reference that would be especially 6 

## helpful in developing rebound assumptions. 7 

## MR. DELASKI: One comment on the rebound 8 

## it seems like I wouldn't expect at any rebound going 9 

## from 1 CFL or LED to another so as your incrementally 10 

## more efficient within those technologies I would 11 

## expect no rebound. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 13 

## MR. STEPHENS: I would agree with that I 14 

## think it's rational to consider some rebound going 15 

## from incandescent to these other technologies but not 16 

## from CSL to CSL. 17 

## MR. GERKE: These tables show the impact 18 

## on the results on the reference results for the 19 

## selected alternative scenarios. The assumptions 20 

## about lamp lifetime have the most significant effect 21 

## on the results, both for energy savings and for NPV 22 

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## Assumptions about smart lamps, stand-by 2 

## power also have a substantial effect on the energy 3 

## savings. The assumptions about LED learning rates 4 

## have a moderate impact on the energy savings while 5 

## the impacts of changing other assumptions are more 6 

## modest. At this time DOE invites any further 7 

## comments about the NIA. 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Don Brundage? 9 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Don Brundage, Southern 10 

## Company. So you are showing 100% smart lamp 11 

## incursion at CSC3 shows a 17% increase in use in 12 

## quads. 13 

## MR. GERKE: 17% increase in the savings. 14 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: Oh increase in the savings. 15 

## MR. GERKE: Essentially because more lamps 16 

## are dimmable that people are switching to. 17 

## MR. BRUNDAGE: I really think the smart 18 

## lamps, I mean if you look at some of the home 19 

## security things where they have smart lamps and they 20 

## are having people use their phone to put on lights 21 

## while they are not there I think a more reasonable 22 

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## have increased usage and you are going to have 2 

## decreased usage, but I don't have a clear feel for if 3 

## it's going to result in an increase in energy savings 4 

## by having smart lamps. 5 

## It's providing an easier utility to have 6 

## that on when you are not home, that can be much more 7 

## significant than just some dimming. 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Charlie? 9 

## MR. STEPHENS: And I'll add to what Don 10 

## said by reminding what Dave said about stand-by 11 

## power. You are talking now about stand-by power or 12 

## maybe a half a watt or maybe something like that on a 13 

## 10 watt or an 11 watt lamp which is not trivial. 14 

## It's trivial on a 60 watt lamp but it is not so 15 

## trivial on a 10 or 11 watt lamp. I mean it's 24/7 so 16 

## you know it's -- yeah and so by the time you take all 17 

## of that into account with smart lamps I would agree 18 

## with Don. I'm not sure I would assume there's energy 19 

## savings. 20 

## MR. GERKE: Stand-by power is considered 21 

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## MR. STEPHENS: I thought it was mandatory 2 

## to consider stand-by power. 3 

## MR. GERKE: It is and it is being 4 

## considered. 5 

## MR. STEPHENS: Okay. 6 

## MR. GERKE: The assumption in the 7 

## reference case for this Preliminary Analysis is that 8 

## that's essentially negligible. 9 

## MR. STEPHENS: Okay I agree with Dave it's 10 

## not zero. It'll never be zero but we can argue about 11 

## what it might be or measure it. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: There's no comment box 13 

## here. Does any additional -- Susan please? 14 

## MS. CALLAHAN: I just want to go back to 15 

## Slide 87. I'm looking at the non-integrated. 16 

## MR. GERKE: Slide 87? 17 

## MS. CALLAHAN: Slide 87 yes the 18 

## non-integrated CFLs and there's no energy savings at 19 

## all and so I'm wondering why DOE would pursue that 20 

## particular lamp type in this rulemaking? 21 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Well when we do the analysis 22 

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## fit the product classes so we are not saying that we 2 

## -- this is going to proceed right away, this is the 3 

## Preliminary Analysis so if you have data that 4 

## suggests that it should not be done, we do further 5 

## analysis in the NOPR and if it shows similar results 6 

## we may not. I mean I can't really speak -- I can't 7 

## really say that this is going to be done right now. 8 

## We are still going to analyze it further. 9 

## MS. CALLAHAN: And what -- I guess I'm 10 

## curious what do we think that we have missed in the 11 

## analysis of those lamps or in that particular 12 

## category of lamps that would change this? 13 

## MR. GERKE: I think we want to give 14 

## stakeholders an opportunity to comment on that. 15 

## MS. CALLAHAN: Okay. 16 

## MR. GERKE: Before moving forward. 17 

## MS. CALLAHAN: Thanks. 18 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you Susan. Yes, 19 

## Dave? 20 

## MR. GATTO: So Lucy then can I ask you a 21 

## question because I forgot to ask you this before but 22 

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## give it to me. Is there a tipping point where DOE 2 

## analyzes and says this is a number above which we are 3 

## going to proceed forward whether we come up with the 4 

## rule or not. Below this it's not worth the 5 

## additional effort to analyze, you don't have the 6 

## number? 7 

## MS. DEBUTTS: There is no certain number 8 

## no. I wish there was it would be much easier right. 9 

## MR. GATTO: Okay it's the same answer. 10 

## MS. DEBUTTS: There is -- it's fair. 11 

## MR. GATTO: It's fair. 12 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay so let's return to 13 

## Slide 89 final comments on these two charts. Okay 14 

## then we are moving on. 15 

## MR. GERKE: All right, I'll pass it off to 16 

## my colleague Hayden Cook from Navigant Consulting who 17 

## will talk about the Preliminary Manufacturer Impact 18 

## Analysis and the NOPR Analyses. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Ken Rider has a question on 20 

## our comment, Ken unmute your phone. 21 

## MR. RIDER: Oh there we go, yeah on that 22 

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## there you have the savings in billions of dollars and 2 

## you know you have got this life-cycle cost that shows 3 

## pretty good life-cycle savings for let's say CSL4 for 4 

## the non-integrated lamps the saving of all the money 5 

## or more money than the .35 quad kind of changing the 6 

## market -- large market -- and the small economy 7 

## market changes without really any savings but you 8 

## have a large NES -- not NES, NMV value. Can you 9 

## speak to why there is so much money? I don't 10 

## understand why there's so much money savings without 11 

## any energy savings. 12 

## MR. GERKE: Sure that's a lifetime effect. 13 

## The higher CSL1 lamps considered in the 14 

## non-integrated product class has significantly longer 15 

## lifetimes than the baseline lamps and so fewer of 16 

## them are purchased over the analysis period which 17 

## saves money. 18 

## MR. RIDER: Okay thanks. 19 

## MR. BROOKMAN: On to Hayden. 20 

## MR. COOK: Hi my name is Hayden Cook. I'm 21 

## with Navigant Consulting and I will be discussing the 22 

## Preliminary Manufacturer Impact Analysis or MIA asEnergy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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## well as the other analyses that we conduct during 2 

## the NOPR phase of this rulemaking. The purpose of 3 

## the MIA is to identify the impacts of amended energy 4 

## conservation standards on lighting manufacturers. 5 

## The MIA is conducted in 3 phases. In the first phase 6 

## an industry profile is developed that identifies key 7 

## issues for the industry. 8 

## In the second phase DOE develops an 9 

## industry cash flow model called the government 10 

## regulatory impact model or GRIM to forecast industry 11 

## cash flows. In this phase DOE also develops an 12 

## interview guide to facilitate the discussions that 13 

## will take place during manufacturer interviews. 14 

## In the third phase, manufacturers are 15 

## interviewed. Information from these interviews in 16 

## the GRIM are used to conduct a quantitative 17 

## assessment of manufacturer impacts due to standards. 18 

## Manufacturer interviews are also used to make 19 

## qualitative assessments of manufacturer impacts due 20 

## to standard including impacts on competition, 21 

## competition -- manufacturing capacity, direct 22 

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## The results from the second and third 2 

## phase of the MIA will be presented in the NOPR phase 3 

## of this rulemaking. At this time DOE would like to 4 

## pause here to make a few requests for comment on the 5 

## MIA. In the first box, DOE requests comment on any 6 

## key issues that manufacturers want to discuss that 7 

## they would be facing regarding this rulemaking and 8 

## potentially request any other data or information 9 

## that would help assess potential manufacturer impacts 10 

## due to the standards. And I'm just going to read 11 

## through the rest of these. 12 

## Jumping to the third box in the NOPR stage 13 

## DOE also plans to assess impacts on manufacturer 14 

## subgroups. These are manufacturing groups that have 15 

## cost structures that differ significantly from the 16 

## industry average or face different regulatory 17 

## frameworks than normal found in industry. DOE 18 

## requests comments on manufacturer subgroups to 19 

## analyze as well as characteristics that should be 20 

## examined for this analysis. 21 

## And then lastly in the second box one of 22 

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## manufacturers. If DOE finds that small business 2 

## manufacturers are impacted by this rulemaking they 3 

## will conduct a regulatory flexibility analysis to 4 

## identify ways to reduce the negative impacts on small 5 

## business manufacturers and DOE welcomes feedback 6 

## regarding small business manufacturers that should be 7 

## contacted for this assessment of the rulemaking. 8 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Yes Noah? 9 

## MR. HOROWITZ: Noah with NRDC. In terms 10 

## of the manufacturer subgroup analysis, we would 11 

## encourage DOE to reach out to manufacturers who might 12 

## not be in the room today. For example Cree is one of 13 

## the largest sellers producers of LEDs it would be 14 

## good to get their input. 15 

## Similarly companies like TCP are the 16 

## largest makers of CFLs sold in the U.S. and they 17 

## also produce LEDs so it would be good to get a 18 

## diverse set of input rather than just simply from the 19 

## trade association if possible, thank you. 20 

## MR. COOK: I think that's an excellent 21 

## application of a manufacturer's sub-group and we'll 22 

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## technology or another technology. 2 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Do we have comments on 3 

## manufacturer impact analysis key issues and any data 4 

## information that might come forward here, Charlie? 5 

## MR. STEPHENS: I just have one question. 6 

## Once you get into the LED phase you know, the 7 

## electronics area, you kind of bring in a whole 8 

## different group of component suppliers and 9 

## manufacturing chains that weren't necessarily there 10 

## before. To what extent are they considered in the 11 

## analysis? 12 

## MR. COOK: The -- I think I understand 13 

## your question. The Manufacturer Impact Analysis does 14 

## only look at the covered product manufacturers 15 

## typically and so for this rulemaking the thought 16 

## process would be they would only be looking at the 17 

## light bulb manufacturers that are covered for this 18 

## rulemaking and not necessarily the component 19 

## suppliers. 20 

## MR. STEPHENS: I wasn't just necessarily 21 

## thinking about component suppliers but when we were 22 

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## come with other ancillary enabling technologies that 2 

## may be provided by any number of other companies that 3 

## would go along. In other words there are data-bases, 4 

## there's WIFI there's connectivity going on the 5 

## Internet of Things -- you know there's all these 6 

## other things that connect it to your light bulb that 7 

## are impacted by smart light bulbs for instance. 8 

## And the advent and the roll-out of smart 9 

## light bulbs, do they figure into the analysis at all 10 

## or not? 11 

## MR. COOK: I mean I don't know want to say 12 

## anything in stone but I would imagine not. I mean 13 

## the overall kind of the point of Manufacturer Impact 14 

## Analysis is to really assess what a standard be it a 15 

## negative or a detrimental to a manufacturer that 16 

## produced these products. 17 

## From what I think I heard there was a 18 

## potential increase in sales of products that don't 19 

## exist if there was a smart bulb adoption. I think 20 

## that would kind of be viewed as a benefit for those 21 

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## that make the covered products. 2 

## MR. STEPHENS: I'm thinking about 3 

## employment for one thing. If you set a standard for 4 

## instance at CSL4 the employment impact will be 5 

## different than if you set it at CSL1 I think and not 6 

## all of the employment impacts would be confined to 7 

## the manufacturers of the light bulbs. 8 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Do you have anything to 9 

## support that assumption that you know we can use? 10 

## MR. STEPHENS: I wouldn't say there's data 11 

## but there's conversations going on all over the place 12 

## that we are engaged with and sometimes at national 13 

## labs, like Northwest National Labs talking to the 14 

## various people who are engaged in connecting the 15 

## Internet of Things and developing apps and setting up 16 

## databases and data collection and management 17 

## strategies for the things that are connected you 18 

## would enable those people substantially if you set a 19 

## standard that made those light bulbs kind of the 20 

## standard at some point sooner rather than later, I 21 

## think -- I'm not sure. 22 

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## Impact Analysis, earlier I talked about there's a 2 

## quantitative and qualitative group and part of the 3 

## qualitative would be looking at domestic employment 4 

## so we could take a look at the potential qualitative 5 

## ramifications of I would assume an increase in 6 

## domestic employment for this enabling technology. I 7 

## don't know if it would be quantitative in its 8 

## assessment due to the some of the difficulties of you 9 

## know trying to predict employment from this kind of 10 

## secondary effect but certainly we can look at the 11 

## qualitative potential benefits of something like 12 

## this. 13 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Any additional comments on 14 

## all three of these, Manufacturer Impact Analysis, 15 

## Regulatory Flexibility Act Analysis and Manufacturer 16 

## Subgroup Analysis, Joe? 17 

## MR. HOWLEY: Just a general comment that 18 

## we assume we will be able to provide more specific 19 

## manufacturing impact feedback during the 20 

## manufacturing interview process. 21 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Correct, yes. 22 

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## MR. BROOKMAN: Okay then moving on. 2 

## MR. COOK: Now I'll briefly discuss the 3 

## analyses conducted during the NOPR stage of this 4 

## rulemaking. These additional analyses include the 5 

## LCC subgroup analysis which conducts an LCC 6 

## assessment for specific consumer subgroups, 7 

## different than the manufacturing subgroups. The 8 

## Manufacturer Impact Analysis phases 2 and 3 of the 9 

## MIA which were previously discussed will be conducted 10 

## in the NOPR stage. 11 

## The Employment Impact Analysis which looks 12 

## at the indirect effects of national employment which 13 

## are impacts on net jobs as a result of changes and 14 

## expenditures and incomes due to amended standards 15 

## and just a side note this Indirect Employment Impact 16 

## Analysis is different from the Direct Employment 17 

## Analysis which is conducted as part of the MIA which 18 

## I just discussed and which looks specifically at the 19 

## changes in domestic production employment levels of 20 

## GSL manufacturers as a result of the amended 21 

## standards. 22 

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## the impact on generation capacity of utilities, the 2 

## Emissions Analysis which focuses on the impacts on 3 

## airborne pollution emissions, the Monetization of 4 

## Emission Reductions Benefits Analysis which 5 

## estimates the monetary benefits from emission 6 

## reductions and lastly the Regulatory Impact Analysis 7 

## which identifies potential non-regulatory 8 

## alternatives to amended GSL standards. 9 

## And at this point I'll hand it back to 10 

## Lucy deButts to wrap up on remarks. 11 

## MS. DEBUTTS: Well needless to say we are 12 

## expecting lots of comments from people and hopefully 13 

## lots of data as well. This slide represents again 14 

## just as a reminder how to submit those comments. 15 

## February 9th hopefully we can hear from all of you 16 

## guys who want to submit your opinions and data and 17 

## thank you very much for coming. It's been a very 18 

## productive meeting I think so with that said back to 19 

## Doug. 20 

## MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you any final 21 

## comments before we close? Closing comments here, 22 

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## (Whereupon at 3:03 p.m.., the meeting was 2 

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71:16 73:6 84:20 98:17 110:6 123:2 123:5 136:9 139:7 139:8 ,11 ,13 140:5 155:6 236:18 ,21 **applied** 24:8 106:12 114:13 136:4 146:16 147:1 ,11 148:17 157:1 160:6 162:1 167:3 175:19 178:20 187:1 206:5 207:6 209:11 212:1 235:21 **applies** 21:19 88:7 95:5 **apply** 21:13 109:22 114:22 128:18 136:7 150:19 163:7 172:9 187:11 208:2 209:22 215:9 **applying** 26:14 173:6 178:7 ,11 **apportioned** 205:4 **appreciate** 12:10 48:3 61:21 103:3 149:2 **appreciated** 26:9 **appreciates** 10:2 43:14 **appreciation** 12:7 **approach** 13:5 27:8 54:22 55:14 56:1 95:22 96:5 135:17 148:13 149:16 150:11 167:2,9 169:9,11 181:21 183:22 184:12,18 186:9 188:19 201:14,16 205:15 **approached** 185:19 **approaching** 152:14 190:13 **appropriate** 71:20 72:8 96:6 107:6 107:10 111:19 131:9 143:16 **Appropriation's** 21:10 **Appropriations** 17:20 30:2 120:7 122:20 **approximately** 82:6 134:2 **apps** 253:15

**architecture** 57:6 91:19 **area** 28:6 41:1 73:14 78:4 130:6 157:21 158:11 251:7 **areas** 43:6 100:9 141:21 155:16 158:13 165:20 237:21 238:1 ,7 **argue** 27:8 157:5 244:10 **argument** 100:16 **articulately** 196:19 **ASHRAE** 123:19 **aside** 196:21 **asked** 185:13 **asking** 19:15 32:15 161:19 187:15 **aspects** 130:6 **assess** 150:14 249:9 249:13 252:14 **assessed** 39:5 **assessment** 8:12 51:5 ,6 76:3 166:16 248:17 250:7 254:8 255:6 **assessments** 248:19 **assign** 181:4 **associated** 11:19 74:17 83:12 89:7 133:15 ,18 139:3 151:9 194:6 197:11 201:8 ,11 202:1 209:18 233:6 234:21 235:18 240:3 **association** 104:21 250:19 **assortment** 98:9 **assume** 35:20 82:4 87:8 122:22 125:2 125:13 161:21 162:13 170:5 ,6,7 170:10 172:2 180:7 187:3 192:9 195:1 ,2,3 ,4 196:20 217:11 218:12,14 219:2 224:5 240:9 243:18 254:5 ,18 **assumed** 120:9,13 120:15 121:6 134:2,20 135:5 140:14 144:4 145:22 146:12

147:14,16 152:1 161:22 162:17 164:15 166:5 168:11 176:9,15 185:1 ,6 186:19 201:2,21 203:21 204:14 206:19,21 207:15 211:18 212:19 217:16 219:12,15 ,19,20 220:4 221:1 ,5 ,9 221:13 222:19 227:10,11 ,19,22 234:4,13 ,21 235:2 235:5 ,16,17 **assumes** 124:21 236:17 **assuming** 30:14 75:7 78:7 ,19 81:12 107:21 122:21 124:21 142:7 171:7 184:14 185:14 197:3 209:6,9 214:2 236:4 **assumption** 70:22 71:4,8 79:14 83:1 83:21 95:16,18 120:20 121:16 122:20 123:11 ,16 126:6 147:18 165:2 176:20,22 188:13 211:1 217:17 224:20 226:5 227:5 228:9 234:12 235:13 236:16 238:19 242:22 244:6 253:9 **assumptions** 31:12 31:18 36:17 ,22 107:13 125:14 126:3 152:3 156:22 169:18 175:8 176:17 ,19 192:4,8 213:2 219:10 220:17 ,22 221:17 227:8 241:2,6,19 242:1 242:3 ,5 **assured** 86:8 **astray** 189:11 **atmosphere** 139:12 **attempted** 59:18 **attendees** 103:22 **attic** 33:6

**attributable** 147:12 207:7 **attributed** 148:18 **audio** 5:11 **authority** 13:18 **automatically** 21:13 83:2,6 **availability** 19:12 51:14 60:3 74:13 154:9 199:22 200:8 221:12 226:21 **available** 9:8 10:19 11:12 17:21 60:20 63:5 74:8 79:7 ,18 87:6 89:7 ,12,14 90:2 92:1 93:9 105:16,17 111:5 127:3 131:21 132:19 149:22 161:12 167:2 184:16 201:18 204:1 226:19 229:6 235:4 **AVENUE** 1:9 **average** 76:19 81:8 105:22 106:14 112:15 113:6 114:3 ,6,7 ,9,10,10 114:10,12,13 ,21 116:12 118:3 ,11 119:10,21 120:18 120:19 121:13 122:6 128:19,22 129:3 131:13 136:18 143:22 145:13 ,14 146:8 153:4 159:19 162:15 166:18 167:3 ,6 176:13 177:9 183:7 ,12 195:14 196:6,9 198:3 249:16 **averaged** 105:19 **averages** 36:13 111:9,11 154:9,9 **avoid** 109:2 120:11 **aware** 239:1 **Awareness** 104:16 **awfully** 246:22 **awhile** 156:5 **axis** 68:13 **B B**  186:5Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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41:22 42:1 ,9 44:7 54:13 69:7 71:8 77:10,13 80:5 ,20 80:21 81:18 82:2 82:4,16 83:22 84:12 89:18 90:1 93:8 94:4,5 95:19 107:7 113:1 145:19 184:3 185:3 ,8 188:2 192:9 195:17 203:17 204:3 208:6,15 209:8 220:4,6,8 221:15 226:17 ,19 227:1 231:16 235:21 **base-case** 188:18 **based** 14:11 18:2,8 18:22 21:16 35:22 40:6,8,9,11 41:2 42:2 43:18 ,19 44:13 ,22 47:7 53:11 ,20 56:20 57:17 62:19,20 64:14 65:9 66:2 71:22 72:18 73:14 73:15 ,17 ,18 74:4 74:20 77:22 78:4 81:9 84:8 ,13 89:21 93:1 94:6 106:6,8,11 112:20 114:14 117:7 119:13 120:20 122:1 ,3 ,5 124:21 127:9 131:21 133:14 135:1 136:3 ,9 139:7 145:18 146:16 149:20,21 152:21 153:1 157:11 ,14 161:12 163:3 164:18 ,22 165:4 165:21 166:13 ,17 177:19 190:6 199:15 ,17 ,18 212:18 217:10,12 222:7 224:6,17 232:2 235:4 236:4 236:7 241:2 **baseline** 64:11 ,13 64:17 65:11 ,11 ,16 66:3 ,4,8,13 ,16 67:1 ,4,20 68:10 68:18 ,22 69:4,5 ,6 69:13 ,17 ,20 70:3 70:8 ,9,12,16 71:1

71:13 72:10 107:16 144:1 204:1 212:9 227:2 247:15 **basement** 123:7 **bases** 27:6 39:10,10 39:12,13 ,13 41:13 70:11 **basic** 91:12 213:22 **basically** 71:19,22 72:5 111:4 **basis** 94:17 108:6 141:11 194:2 **bathroom** 138:7 ,8 **becoming** 99:2 **bedroom** 128:17 171:20 **befuddled** 189:1 **beginning** 60:13 **begins** 120:16 **begs** 157:6 **behalf** 6:19 **behave** 191:5 **behavior** 122:21 192:12 **beige** 170:20 **belabor** 124:11 **believe** 19:19 26:1 47:4 48:10 72:15 73:4,13 74:22 80:11 222:7 230:22 **believes** 19:20 147:17 169:10 **beneath** 102:9 **benefit** 38:5 162:9 232:1 252:20 **benefits** 97:10 254:11 256:4,5 **Berkeley** 5:19 7:8 7:10,11 119:6 203:5 222:7 230:12 **Berkely** 87:19 **best** 186:1 194:18 232:8 ,10 238:20 **better** 46:14 99:17 126:21 129:8 ,10 131:4 132:18 173:9 179:20 187:16 192:20 214:16 219:2 **beyond** 49:6 73:4 92:16 140:1 150:17 214:11 **biased** 142:1 ,11

237:21 238:3 **big** 79:12 107:8 111:1 ,3 115:9 116:3 ,8 117:2,5 125:11 143:3 152:17 153:2,5 ,14 158:19 174:1 ,1 179:19 **bigger** 126:17 174:10 214:7 **biggest** 109:18 **biggie** 74:11 **bill** 130:20 **billion** 233:20 **billions** 247:1 **bin** 54:22 222:22 223:6 231:17 ,17 232:20 **bins** 54:6 55:1 ,7 ,8,9 55:19,21 74:5 ,7 96:7 150:7 163:20 197:6 218:10 231:8 ,20,21 232:2 232:5 ,11 ,13 **bit** 18:16 19:5 24:19 68:6 75:7 87:3 ,12 97:9 109:5 110:14 110:20 122:11 137:5 ,9 142:6 151:1 155:3 158:5 158:22 185:21 189:5 190:13 203:8 231:11 233:20 **BLE** 76:20 **blood** 209:16 **blow** 229:17 **blowing** 231:6 **blue** 105:15 164:21 170:21 239:20 **board** 125:4 **boat** 211:19 **Boesenberg** 2:13 38:1 ,2,2 155:9,9 **book** 6:4 105:15 **boost** 220:16 **boosts** 219:17 **bottom** 24:7 84:2 131:7 229:17 **bought** 118:13 191:12 222:19 **bound** 53:20 **box** 19:18 63:21 107:8 111:1 ,3 115:9 116:4,9 117:2 152:17

153:5 158:20 179:19 192:5 217:4 224:4 244:12 249:5 ,12 249:21 **boxes** 11:1 ,1 47:19 63:18 101:21 153:2 226:14 229:4 **brainstorming** 137:9 **brand** 48:12 180:3 **break** 8:10 101:22 102:3 ,13 103:2 105:13 128:21 129:1 ,3 202:12,15 202:15 ,16,18,21 **breakdown** 230:7 **breaking** 202:18 **breaks** 128:16,17 **Brenda** 104:22 **Brendan** 103:22 **Brian** 3:4 7:11 37:4 202:9 203:3 ,5 210:19 **bridge** 158:12 **brief** 8:2,5 **briefly** 255:2 **brighten** 235:14 **bring** 13:8 17:11 84:12 99:14 251:7 **broad** 26:16 27:9 53:1 101:17 ,18 **broadly** 27:20 **broken** 143:20 **Brookman** 5:2,9,22 7:5 ,20 10:11 12:2 13:9 17:12,14,16 19:17 20:5 22:6 24:1 ,20 25:7 26:3 26:11 27:13 ,22 28:22 29:6,12 30:11 32:1 ,17 33:13 34:5 35:17 36:7 37:2,9 38:1 ,9 39:14,21 41:9,16 42:4,11 43:12 45:7 46:1 ,19 47:9 47:19 48:1 ,17 49:13 50:20 53:7 54:3 ,20 55:12 56:4 58:7 59:5 ,19 60:9 61:3 ,19 63:13 ,17 ,20 67:3 67:19 68:20 71:10Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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238:13 240:6,21 241:12 242:8 243:8 244:12 245:18 246:12,19 247:19 250:8 251:2 254:13 ,21 255:1 256:20 **Brookman-Chair** 2:3 **brought** 37:5 234:7 **Brundage** 2:7 6:8 ,8 16:19,20 27:13 ,14 27:14 30:11 ,12 31:9 33:8 ,8 48:18 48:19 101:4,5 ,5 108:11 ,12,21 110:3 122:17 ,18 122:18 126:13 ,14 131:16,17 141:17 141:18 ,19 154:19 154:20,21 169:15 169:16,16 170:4 170:11 189:18 ,19 199:9,10,10,15 213:21 ,21 215:7 ,7 216:3 242:8 ,9,9 242:14,17 **bucket** 230:3 **buckets** 55:2 **bucks** 112:11 **building** 1:10 5:7 102:5 133:13 135:14 146:16,18 151:14 162:12 166:15 167:4 225:18 ,22 234:7 **buildings** 85:19 137:3 146:13 ,14 146:14 225:16 **built-in** 234:14 **bulb** 24:12 25:15 34:11 ,13 36:10,10 36:15 ,17 ,18 ,19 67:8 82:14,14 115:3 118:9,9 125:4 127:1 130:17 132:1 ,8 133:8 160:21 171:5 172:15 ,16 173:19 181:17 196:20 200:6 214:8 216:16,17 230:5 251:17 252:6,19 **bulbs** 24:8 31:3 33:3 55:22 84:8 117:12 118:14 132:1 ,11 133:2 160:20 161:1 170:7 171:1 179:17 216:15 251:22 252:7 ,9 253:7 ,19 **bulk** 26:20 113:16 **bullet** 23:2 24:4 90:9 93:12 221:21 **bunch** 112:3 113:10 113:12 **burden** 248:22 **Burns** 3:11 **business** 105:1 249:22 250:1 ,5 ,6 **businesses** 125:2 **button** 159:12 **buy** 35:1 40:17 84:6 113:14,15 116:6,6 116:7 ,16 118:8 ,18 123:2 153:19,21 162:4,5 171:15 173:9 179:18 190:15 ,20 191:4 192:10 **buying** 34:12 38:7 40:13 161:21 ,22 189:3 191:1 ,13 198:4,6,8 **buys** 116:15 179:14 **C C**  5:1 **Cadeo** 164:19 230:14 **calc's** 87:9,9 **calculate** 94:9 175:8 **calculated** 76:21 90:11 93:16 113:6 116:20 143:22 145:7 ,12,18 184:13 195:12 201:15 ,20 **calculating** 87:21 178:7 ,14 180:9 184:12 201:13 **calculation** 72:20 141:5 145:16 147:21 150:22 178:19 183:6,10 183:12,17 184:1 186:11 ,11 **California** 6:19 28:3 32:4 58:9 61:21 87:1 96:4 110:14

123:21 125:19 141:15 142:8 149:18 194:18 210:19 **Caliper** 34:9 **call** 8:7 81:14 92:10 92:18 115:12 177:21 216:13 ,17 **Callahan** 2:18 6:6,6 94:3 ,3 ,11 ,11 244:14,17 245:9 245:15 ,17 **called** 5:18 168:15 248:9 **calling** 114:21 208:17 **Canada** 190:11 **Canada's** 6:22 **candelabra** 18:2 **candidate** 64:16 145:20,20 184:4 187:3 188:5 190:19 195:18 198:11 203:17 204:11 ,13 ,15 233:6 **candidate's** 233:17 **candidates** 87:5 **cans** 80:6 **Cao** 4:5 **capacity** 51:21 189:17 248:21 256:1 **capped** 99:19 **capture** 44:16 75:15 90:18 97:10 165:16 166:20 167:19 182:16 **capturing** 98:14 **cards** 105:1 **care** 32:10 **careful** 83:3 101:16 **Carlo** 145:4 **Carol** 4:10 **carry** 179:1 **carve** 131:21 132:15 **case** 68:13 80:20 81:10 84:1 108:17 121:3 125:19 128:13 ,14 129:5 136:6 143:8 145:19,21 ,21 184:3 ,3 ,4,5 185:3 185:8 ,9 187:4 188:2,3 ,5 ,13

192:10,10 193:21 195:17 ,18 203:14 203:17 204:3 ,12 204:13 ,14 208:6 209:8 211:11 212:22 213:20 220:4,4,6,7 ,8,14 221:15 231:16 233:7 ,19 235:22 238:20 244:7 **cases** 109:22 132:11 143:10 145:20 152:10 198:11 203:17 214:19 221:16 229:8 233:17 **cash** 248:9,11 **Cassidy** 103:22 **cast** 202:16 **catalogue** 89:8 90:1 90:13 ,13 94:7 ,13 94:16 97:6 111:7 **categories** 12:19 52:2 97:15 189:22 **category** 40:8 245:12 **caught** 23:10 74:19 **cause** 33:2 **causing** 29:2 **caution** 31:21 **cautious** 30:16 35:11 74:14 142:7 **caveat** 30:13 **CBECS** 146:15 **CCT** 42:19 65:21 114:1 **Celia** 7:3 **cell** 9:11 **cent** 25:16 **center-base** 137:10 **center-based** 137:13 **centered** 68:3 **centers** 106:9 **cents** 115:12 172:14 177:10,21 **certain** 14:3 18:15 19:4 29:16 40:5 85:6 156:3 178:22 193:3 ,4 209:2 227:8 246:7 **certainly** 59:11 72:11 78:21 117:18 137:15 225:5 ,21 226:19Energy Conservation Standards Preliminary Analysis for General Service Lamps January 20, 2015

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227:10,13 236:6 236:17 237:3 ,18 244:18 250:16 **CFR** 28:12 108:18 **chain** 72:5 **chains** 251:9 **challenge** 74:5 83:20 218:4 **challenged** 158:5 **chance** 103:17 104:10 **chances** 83:9 **chandeliers** 138:11 143:4 **change** 17:2 30:14 36:16 44:11 56:14 86:2 89:18 ,18 124:1 160:1 170:17 179:16 191:21 245:12 **changed** 58:11 192:12 **changes** 44:6 45:6 172:20 173:22 247:7 255:13 ,19 **changing** 83:5 170:19 171:1 189:8 242:5 247:5 **channel** 106:1 ,12,13 107:2 114:15 117:11 **channels** 106:3 ,6 107:1 110:22 111:14 113:5 222:17 **Chapter** 59:2,4 62:6 62:6 120:3 144:9 205:18 **characteristics** 65:10,19 66:1 ,17 69:6 70:20 91:18 91:21 96:20 101:12 105:20 249:19 **characterization** 119:9 133:15 142:15 **characterize** 154:8 **Charlie** 2:15 6:14 60:9,10 62:12 79:22 80:1 ,11 84:10 85:14,17 115:21 ,22 118:1 ,5 124:8 127:7 137:20,21 139:15 142:17 153:6,7

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202-347-3700 Ace-Federal Reporters, Inc. 866-928-6509 Page 279 **permitted** 25:21 **perplexed** 155:10 **person** 36:12 77:16 **perspective** 61:15 144:19 218:2 **phase** 14:5 56:21 57:15 58:22 60:5 248:2,5 ,8,11 ,14 249:2,2 251:6 **phases** 248:5 255:8 **Philips** 6:4 33:14 41:11 47:11 61:4 78:6 96:10 109:16 123:14 179:9 188:21 204:10 228:13 **phone** 2:21 128:5 171:11 242:20 246:20 **phones** 9:11 **phosphor** 62:9 94:21 **phosphors** 56:11 ,17 91:10 **photon** 56:18 ,19 **physical** 54:15 ,19 **physically** 41:14 132:2 **pick** 79:10 149:19 203:2 **picks** 68:9 **picture** 99:12 **piece** 73:20 187:10 **pin** 30:10 39:13 40:6,8,11 41:13 42:2 72:18 73:14 73:15 74:20 75:3 75:6,8 77:9,9,22 78:4 84:13 224:6 224:17 226:17 **pin-based** 41:4 172:9 182:20 **pinned** 77:13 **place** 43:19 140:9 208:9 225:14 248:13 253:11 **placed** 35:21 85:5 170:8 **places** 23:16 33:5 60:16 114:11 177:18 232:12 238:4 **plan** 17:8 **plans** 17:1 249:13 **plateau** 226:9 **play** 155:11 185:12 239:13

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254:4,11 256:7 **potentially** 38:21 189:22 193:15 231:11 249:8 **power** 7:1 44:3 ,21 47:1 57:19 119:14 139:1 181:14 205:19 214:21 234:21 239:10,11 239:15 ,17 ,18 240:3 242:2 243:11 ,11 ,20,22 244:2 **powered** 57:19 **powers** 76:21 **practicability** 58:2 **practical** 51:11 **practice** 75:13 **preceding** 45:8 197:13 **predicated** 33:16 **predict** 254:9 **predicted** 190:21 191:1 220:2 **predicting** 99:17 **prediction** 197:20 **prefer** 56:1 **preferentially** 135:10 188:10 **preliminary** 1:3 5:5 5:17 8:18 10:13 14:17 16:17 29:17 30:6 51:2 64:21 147:15 203:15 206:5 212:14,19 244:7 245:3 246:17 247:22 **prematurely** 33:2 **premise** 32:8 **premium** 46:16 **present** 51:1 79:11 126:15 127:4 202:10 233:5 ,19 239:15 **presentation** 10:21 38:11 **presented** 70:7 91:1 93:22 249:2 **presenting** 119:7 **presents** 69:14 144:9 **preserve** 74:19 98:6 208:21 **press** 202:14 **presumably** 139:16 **presume** 82:1 138:10 **pretty** 60:12 62:7 79:1 86:8 109:12 124:18 125:2 137:22 215:22 225:22 247:3 **prevalence** 135:8 224:4 234:5 ,13 **preventing** 49:5 ,11 **prevents** 77:15 **previous** 22:7 146:2 165:22 195:19 199:12,16 **previously** 20:7 21:2 109:5 201:19 255:9 **price** 8:13 34:21 ,21 35:13 103:6,8 105:10,15 ,22 106:14 107:18 110:15 111:5 112:3 ,13 ,15 113:10,22 114:6 115:4,17 ,20 116:7 116:9,12,17 ,18 117:5 118:7 125:7 125:8 128:20 145:1 146:5 ,21 147:1 ,2,5 ,10,11 148:5 ,16,18 ,20,22 149:5 152:3 ,10,12 152:19,22 153:4 153:13 ,20,21 155:2 156:16 158:17 159:3 ,8,8 161:11 162:19,20 162:22 164:7 ,8 175:22 176:2 178:12 179:21 180:3 185:15 ,19 186:21 ,22,22 187:2,9,11 ,12,12 188:9 192:17 197:5 ,7 ,11 201:1 201:3 ,4,5 ,6,7 202:6 205:9,13 ,16 205:22 206:3 ,9,10 206:15 ,17 207:6,7 207:10,11 ,12,15 207:18 208:1 ,5 ,10 208:13 ,15 ,18 209:11 ,15 ,18 ,22 209:22 210:4,4,7 211:3 ,6 212:11 ,12 212:13 ,15 ,20,21 214:12,15 216:20

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202-347-3700 Ace-Federal Reporters, Inc. 866-928-6509 Page 280 **problem** 33:15 61:9 78:13 182:3 **problems** 31:9 109:21 **procedure** 18:13 ,20 94:13 166:19 **proceed** 245:2 246:3 **process** 49:10 103:11 251:16 254:20 **processes** 156:22 **processing** 174:1 **procurement** 106:11 111:4 113:4 **produce** 77:19 205:16 250:17 **produced** 252:16 **producers** 250:13 **produces** 27:19 228:18 **product** 8:13 13:3 22:21 23:17 31:14 35:11 ,13 46:11 50:5 51:8 ,19,21 52:4 53:9,10,16 53:17 ,19 58:5 64:9,12,20,22 65:3 ,9,11 ,18,20 66:2,3 ,5 ,9,14,15 66:18 ,19,20 67:1 69:8 ,16,17 ,20,22 70:2,4,7 71:3 ,7 72:15 ,17 73:21 74:6 77:3 80:14 80:15 88:9 89:13 89:16,20 90:5 ,21 91:1 ,4,6,8,9,13 ,14 91:16 92:22 93:4 93:7 ,14,21 ,22 94:9,12,19 95:6 95:10 97:12 98:9 100:8 ,17 103:6,8 105:10 107:15 ,16 108:16 109:6 110:10 115:5 119:13 132:12 143:20 144:5 ,21 145:6 147:2,4,16 148:21 149:19,21 150:5 152:19,22 153:13 ,16,17 154:4,9,10,12 155:19 157:20 159:3 160:15 162:19 163:17 ,17

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202-347-3700 Ace-Federal Reporters, Inc. 866-928-6509 Page 281 68:4,19 80:6,22 81:3 82:3 89:12 90:3 ,7 ,19 93:10 93:15 ,20 101:18 106:2 114:5 ,5 115:4 122:12 137:2 162:1 ,14 163:21 164:4,12 164:15 165:6,21 166:6 177:6 199:21 200:4,11 200:14 212:16 229:18 232:16,18 **ranges** 68:1 163:15 163:19 164:2,7 165:10,13 212:11 233:18 ,19 **rank** 185:6 **ranking** 192:9 **rapid** 43:22 44:18 **rapidly** 189:8 190:5 196:14 212:13 ,22 220:11 **rare** 147:12,15 148:18 200:22 201:3 ,5 202:6 207:7 228:14,16 **rate** 173:6 206:3 ,21 206:22 211:18 225:2,16 226:9 227:10,12 233:21 **rated** 32:22 33:9 36:11 43:22 45:15 80:3 ,4 86:3 93:2,4 94:9 168:3 173:8 174:18 175:4 178:10,10 **rated-lifetime** 168:15 ,20 169:6 **rates** 148:6,11 206:19 212:18 233:14 235:8 242:3 **ratio** 118:14 **rational** 122:21 190:14 241:14 **rationale** 227:4 **rationally** 191:5 **re-analyze** 218:15 **re-do** 48:22 **re-evaluate** 38:17 **re-examined** 154:5 **re-install** 151:12 **re-iterate** 154:7 **re-vamping** 151:14 **reach** 86:2 126:20 234:15 250:11

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