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OPEN HEARING ON THE NOMINATION 

OF SUSAN GORDON TO BE PRINCIPAL DEPUTY 

DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE AT THE 

OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL 

INTELLIGENCE PRECEDED BY ROBERT P. STORCH 

TO BE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NATIONAL 

SECURITY AGENCY, AND ISABEL PATELUNAS 

TO BE ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR INTELLIGENCE 

AND ANALYSIS AT THE DEPARTMENT 

OF THE TREASURY 

HEARING 

BEFORE THE

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

OF THE

UNITED STATES SENATE 

ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS 

FIRST SESSION 

WEDNESDAY, JULY 19, 2017 

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

[Established by S. Res. 400, 94th Cong., 2d Sess.] 

RICHARD BURR, North Carolina, Chairman 

MARK R. WARNER, Virginia, Vice Chairman 

JAMES E. RISCH, Idaho 

MARCO RUBIO, Florida 

SUSAN COLLINS, Maine 

ROY BLUNT, Missouri 

JAMES LANKFORD, Oklahoma 

TOM COTTON, Arkansas 

JOHN CORNYN, Texas 

DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California 

RON WYDEN, Oregon 

MARTIN HEINRICH, New Mexico 

ANGUS KING, Maine 

JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia 

KAMALA HARRIS, California 

MITCH MCCONNELL, Kentucky, Ex Officio 

CHARLES SCHUMER, New York, Ex Officio 

JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona, Ex Officio 

JACK REED, Rhode Island, Ex Officio 

CHRIS JOYNER, Staff Director 

MICHAEL CASEY, Minority Staff Director 

KELSEY STROUD BAILEY, Chief Clerk 

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CONTENTS 

JULY 19, 2017 

OPENING STATEMENTS 

Burr, Hon. Richard, Chairman, a U.S. Senator from North Carolina ................ 1 

Warner, Hon. Mark R., Vice Chairman, a U.S. Senator from Virginia .............. 3 

WITNESSES 

Storch, Robert P., Nominated to be Inspector General of the National Security 

Agency ................................................................................................................... 5 

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 8 

Patelunas, Isabel, Nominated to be Assistant Secretary of Treasury for Intelligence and Analysis ............................................................................................ 5 

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 15 

Gordon, Susan M., Nominated to be Principal Deputy Director of National 

Intelligence ........................................................................................................... 31 

Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 35 

SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL 

Cipher Brief article dated July 19, 2017, titled ‘‘The Great Expectations 

for Susan M. Gordon’’ .......................................................................................... 28 

Questionnaires for Completion by Presidential Nominees ................................... 46 

Prehearing Questions and Responses .................................................................... 96 

Questions for the Record ......................................................................................... 140 

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OPEN HEARING ON THE NOMINATION 

OF SUSAN GORDON TO BE PRINCIPAL 

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL 

INTELLIGENCE AT THE OFFICE OF THE 

DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE 

PRECEDED BY ROBERT P. STORCH TO BE 

INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NATIONAL 

SECURITY AGENCY, AND ISABEL PATELUNAS 

TO BE ASSISTANT SECRETARY 

FOR INTELLIGENCE AND ANALYSIS AT THE 

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY 

WEDNESDAY, JULY 19, 2017 

U.S. SENATE, SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, Washington, DC. 

The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:06 a.m. in Room 

SH–216, Hart Senate Office Building, Hon. Richard Burr (Chairman of the Committee) presiding. 

Committee Members Present: Senators Burr, Warner, Feinstein, 

Wyden, Heinrich, King, and Harris. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD BURR, CHAIRMAN, A 

U.S. SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA 

Chairman BURR. I’d like to call this confirmation hearing to 

order. 

I understand the Vice Chairman is in the building, so he should 

be here before I finish my opening statement. I’d like to welcome 

all members. 

And I know this is out of the ordinary to do these in the morning. But the schedule right now doesn’t give us the luxury of taking 

an afternoon as we get ready for our authorization bill. 

So I’d like to welcome our witnesses today: Robert Storch, President Trump’s nominee to be the next Inspector General of the National Security Agency; and Isabel Patelunas, the President’s nominee to be the next Assistant Secretary of Intelligence and Analysis 

at the Department of Treasury. 

Robert and Isabel, congratulations to both of you on your nominations. I’d like start, though, by recognizing the families that 

you’ve brought here with you today. Robert, I understand your 

wife, Sara, is here and your two children Charlotte and Hannah. 

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Would you—guys, thank you for your commitment to your dad and 

to your mother, because she has traveled extensively with him and 

is a partner both in life and in work, as I understand. 

Sara, you must be a strong woman. 

And Isabel, I believe you brought your husband, Paul, here as 

well as your sons Brian and Brandon, Correct? Good. Just Brian. 

Well, we welcome both of you. 

Both of you have served your country with distinction in your 

previous posts, primarily Department of Justice for you, Robert, 

and CIA for you, Isabel. And we appreciate your continued willingness to serve. 

Our goal in conducting this hearing is to enable the Committee 

to consider Mr. Storch and Ms. Patelunas’ qualifications and to 

allow a thoughtful deliberation by our members. 

Robert already has provided substantive written responses to 77 

questions presented by the Committee and its members, while Isabel has answered 63. Today, of course, the members will be able 

to ask additional questions and to hear firsthand from Mr. Storch 

and Ms. Patelunas in this open session. 

Mr. Storch graduated magna cum laude from Harvard College in 

1982 and earned his J.D. from Columbia Law School in 1985. He 

began his legal career as a clerk for U.S. District Judge William 

Keller in Los Angeles, California. 

Following his clerkship, Mr. Storch worked at Covington and 

Burling before joining the Department of Justice, where he worked 

for over 24 years. Mr. Storch was an assistant U.S. attorney for 

over 17 years, working on both criminal and civil cases. 

Robert held a variety of leadership roles in the U.S. Attorney’s 

Office, including anti-terrorism coordinator, deputy criminal chief, 

counsel to the United States attorney appellate chief, senior litigation counsel, and civil rights and hate crime coordinator. 

In 2012, Mr. Storch joined the Office of Inspector General at the 

Department of Justice, where he served as counselor to the IG, the 

OIG whistleblower ombudsman, and acting deputy IG. In 2015, Mr. 

Storch was selected to serve as DOJ’s deputy inspector general. 

And I think you told me when we met that you kept the ombud— 

you kept the whistleblower thing with you. We thank you for that. 

Ms. Patelunas graduated from the University of Notre Dame in 

1989, received her master’s in international relations from the University of Maryland in 1987. Ms. Patelunas began her career at the 

CIA in 1989 and is a member of the Senior Intelligence Service at 

the CIA, where she served in a variety of leadership roles, including deputy director of CIA’s Office of Middle East and North Africa 

Analysis and director of advanced analysis training program. 

Ms. Patelunas also worked in the National Counterproliferation 

Center and the weapons intelligence nonproliferation—Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control offices. Ms. 

Patelunas also completed a rotation at the ODNI, serving as the 

director of the President’s daily brief staff. Isabel currently is the 

chair of the CIA’s Publications Review Board. 

Robert, independent and empowered inspector generals are critical to the integrity and the efficient management of the intelligence community. I would also note that this is Robert’s third 

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nomination to a position in under a year, an indication of not only 

bipartisan support, but a commitment to the post as well. 

And, Isabel, as you and I have discussed, you’ve been asked to 

lead the Treasury Department’s intelligence arm at a time of profound threat and challenge. 

As both of you are aware, we’re facing threats from state and 

non-state actors alike and are engaged in a robust debate at home 

on the scope and scale of intelligence collection and what authorities are right, appropriate and lawful. I expect both of you to support the government’s mission to protect the Nation in the face of 

these threats, while maintaining an unwavering respect for the 

rule of law. I have complete trust that both of you will lead the 

community with integrity and will ensure that the intelligence enterprise operates lawfully, ethically, and morally. 

As I’ve mentioned to other nominees during their nomination 

hearings, I can assure you that this Committee will continue to 

faithfully follow its charter and conduct vigorous and real-time 

oversight over the intelligence community, its operations, and its 

activities. We will ask difficult and probing questions of you and 

your staff, and we will expect honest, complete, and timely responses. 

I look forward to supporting your nominations and ensuring their 

consideration without delay. I want to thank you again for being 

here, for your years of service to the country, and I look forward 

to your testimony. 

I’d like to recognize the Vice Chairman for any comments he 

might have. 

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MARK R. WARNER, A U.S. 

SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And welcome, Mr. Storch and Ms. Patelunas, and congratulations on your 

nominations. 

Mr. Storch, you have served as Deputy Inspector General of the 

Department of Justice, so I know you understand well the functions of the Inspector General. But if you are confirmed as the Inspector General of the National Security Agency, you’ll be charged 

with overseeing a large and complex and necessarily secretive organization. 

Because of the nature of the work of the NSA, you will have a 

higher level of responsibility to ensure that the agency’s programs 

and activities are effective, appropriate, and comport with U.S. law 

and regulations. In today’s hearing, I would like to hear reassurances that you will take this duty on with the gravity and sense 

of purpose it requires. 

We all know the NSA is home to some of the world’s greatest 

minds in the field of cryptology. They continue to improve our ability to understand the plans and intentions of our adversaries in 

order to protect and defend this Nation. As they harness the power 

of new technology and data analytics, we must be careful to ensure 

that the clearly defined line between our adversaries and our citizens is not crossed. Part of your charge will be to confirm that it 

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I also very much appreciate your background as related to whistleblower protections. I know the Chairman’s already mentioned 

this. You stated that one of your bedrock principles is, quote, 

‘‘whistleblowers perform a valuable service to the agency and to the 

public,’’ unquote. I agree with that sentiment, and I’m not sure 

that we have given them adequate protections, in the IC that they 

deserve. 

Today, I’ll ask you about some of the proposals this Committee 

is considering to enhance those protections, to ensure that anyone 

that does come forward through approved processes will not suffer 

reprisals as a result. 

Mr. Storch, I look forward to today’s discussion and working with 

you, if confirmed. 

Ms. Patelunas, your experience at the Central Intelligence Agency will serve well if confirmed to the position of Undersecretary of 

Treasury for Intelligence and Analysis. Your 28-year career at the 

CIA is impressive and includes a wide variety of important positions and responsibilities. If confirmed as Undersecretary, you will 

have significant opportunities to continue your contributions to our 

Nation’s security. 

This morning, I’d like to talk more about your background in 

threat finance and financial intelligence. The past decade has seen 

a dramatic increase in the leveraging of financial tools to counter 

threats. That includes following the money to counter terrorist 

groups, as well as the use of sanctions to influence other Nations’ 

behaviors. 

At the same time, our adversaries are constantly developing new 

and innovative ways to evade our detection. It is vital that the 

United States stay one step ahead of our enemies in this regard. 

I’ll expect to hear your plans for ensuring that we maintain our 

competitive edge when it comes to collecting, analyzing, and responding to matters of financial intelligence. 

Additionally, this Committee is deeply engaged with its investigation into Russian meddling in our 2016 elections. Treasury has 

a role in supporting this effort. This morning, I want to hear assurances from you that you will fully support any request this Committee makes of the Office of Intelligence and Analysis. 

Ms. Patelunas, Mr. Storch, I note that you are both, as is the 

nominee that we’ll hear from in the next panel, Sue Gordon, career 

public servants. You are both highly qualified for the positions to 

which you have been nominated. 

Today, perhaps more so than in the past, I believe that it is especially important to make a point of saying thank you to the men 

and women of the intelligence community for the work that they 

do each and every day to keep our Nation safe. We seldom hear 

about your successes or your sacrifices, but members of this Committee see your dedication and hard work. So I want to thank both 

of you for accepting these new opportunities to serve our country. 

But I also have something to ask in return. I ask that you commit today that you will always speak truth to power by giving your 

best honest assessment and speaking that truth and telling it, telling it like it is to those in power, whether they want to hear it or 

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I’ll ask for your assurances that you will cooperate fully and unreservedly with any requests from this Committee by providing 

documents, e-mails, cables and other materials as requested. 

And I’ll ask for your promise that, if confirmed, you will faithfully represent the professional men and women of the intelligence 

community with dedication and integrity every day that you’re 

charged. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to the hearing. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you, Vice Chairman. 

Mr. Storch, would you stand, please? Would you raise your right 

hand? Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and 

nothing but the truth, so help you God? 

Mr. STORCH. I do. 

Chairman BURR. Please be seated. 

Ms. Patelunas, would you please stand and raise your right 

hand? Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, 

and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. I do. 

Chairman BURR. Please be seated. 

TESTIMONY OF ROBERT P. STORCH, NOMINATED TO BE 

INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY 

Chairman BURR. To you, Mr. Storch—and then I’ll come to you, 

Mrs. Patelunas—I’ll ask you to answer five standard questions that 

the Committee poses to each nominee who appears before us. They 

just simply require a yes or no answer. 

One, do you agree to appear before the Committee, here and in 

other venues when invited? 

Mr. STORCH. Yes, sir. 

Chairman BURR. If confirmed, do you agree to send officials from 

your office to appear before the Committee and designated staff 

when invited? 

Mr. STORCH. Yes, sir. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to provide documents or other materials requested by the Committee in order for it to carry out its 

oversight and legislative responsibilities? 

Mr. STORCH. Yes, sir. 

Chairman BURR. Will you both ensure that your office and your 

staff provide such materials to the Committee when requested? 

Mr. STORCH. Yes, sir. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to inform and fully brief, to the 

fullest extent possible, all members of this Committee of intelligence activities and covert action, rather than only the Chairman 

and the Vice Chairman? 

Mr. STORCH. Yes, sir. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you. 

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AND ANALYSIS 

Chairman BURR. Ms. Patelunas, the same questions. Do you 

agree to appear before the Committee, here or in other venues, 

when invited? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Yes, sir, I do. 

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Chairman BURR. If confirmed, do you agree to send officials from 

your office to appear before the Committee and designated staff 

when invited? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Yes, sir. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to provide documents or any other 

materials requested by the Committee in order to carry out its 

oversight and legislative responsibilities? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Yes, sir. 

Chairman BURR. Will you both ensure that your office and your 

staff—will you ensure that your office and your staff provide such 

materials to the Committee when requested? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Yes, sir. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to inform and fully brief to the 

fullest extent possible all members of the Committee of the intelligence activities and covert action, rather than just the Chair and 

Vice Chair? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Yes, sir, I do. 

Chairman BURR. With that, I thank you, and we’ll proceed to 

opening statement. Mr. Storch, you are recognized for your statement. 

Mr. STORCH. Thank you, sir. 

Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman Warner, and members of the 

Committee: Thank you for inviting me to appear before you today 

regarding my nomination to be the Inspector General at the National Security Agency. I believe that this position presents an exciting opportunity to further independent oversight at a critically 

important government agency. 

I would like to take the opportunity to recognize my family and 

others who have come to be with me today: my brilliant and wonderful wife of more than 25 years, Sara Lord, and our children, 

Charlotte and Hannah, who, as I always tell them, are the center 

of the universe. I would like to thank my other family, colleagues, 

and friends for being here with me today. 

I want to express my great appreciation to my Inspector General, 

Michael Horowitz. I’ve had the privilege of working side by side 

with him, and I learn from him on a daily basis. He provides, I believe, a tremendous example, both as to how to conduct vigorous, 

independent oversight and how an IG should be responsive to Congress. 

I also want to thank you, Chairman Burr, for taking the time out 

of your busy schedule to meet with me yesterday. And, Vice Chairman Warner, I greatly appreciate the efforts of your staff to schedule a meeting as well. 

I’m sorry there wasn’t time, given the prompt scheduling of the 

hearing—which, let me quickly say, I appreciate very much—for 

me to meet in advance of the hearing with you and with the other 

members of the Committee. But if confirmed, I would welcome the 

opportunity to meet with each of you and your staffs on a regular 

basis. 

I believe strongly in the importance of Congressional oversight, 

which is particularly critical in an area where so much of what 

happens occurs outside the public eye. 

As this Committee well knows, in 2014 Congress determined that 

the NSA IG should be a presidentially appointed, Senate-confirmed 

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position, clearly reflecting the importance of independent oversight 

and responsiveness to Congress. I hope that, if confirmed, my background would position me well to work with the staff of the OIG 

to meet the challenges of this position. 

As detailed in my prehearing submissions, I spent some two 

dozen years working as a Federal prosecutor at two United States 

attorney’s offices and at the DOJ here in Washington. This taught 

me a great deal about how to gather and consider evidence, about 

following the evidence wherever it leads, and about pursuing allegations and outcomes vigorously but fairly and in the interest of 

justice. 

Immediately following the September 11 attacks, I was selected 

as my district’s initial Anti-Terrorism Coordinator, working closely 

with criminal and intelligence components of the FBI and other 

agencies in helping to organize and direct our antiterrorism efforts 

and standing up our first Anti-Terrorism Task Force. 

In 2012, my wife and I decided to move back to Washington and 

I accepted a position in the front office at the OIG. One of the 

things I came to understand early on is that OIGs are part of their 

agencies, but they’re also separate, our independent oversight role 

requiring that we maintain the distance necessary for our work. 

I’ve been involved in reviewing a number of reports, examining 

the exercise of national security authorities by the FBI and DOJ 

as well as their interaction with other parts of the intelligence community. I also have participated in the deputies’ meetings of the IC 

IG forum and attended its conferences. 

If confirmed, I hope that my experiences and perspective as a 

prosecutor and at the OIG would be helpful in working with the 

personnel of the NSA OIG to carry out the significant responsibilities entrusted to it by the Congress. 

If confirmed, I would anticipate meeting regularly with personnel 

from across the OIG to facilitate open communications and obtain 

their perspectives. One area that I know to be of importance for all 

OIGs is furthering whistleblower rights and protections. As was 

mentioned, at DOJ we’ve developed a robust program that’s built 

on one bedrock principle: Whistleblowers perform a valuable public 

service to the agency and the public when they come forward with 

what they reasonably believe to be evidence of wrongdoing, and 

they never should suffer reprisal for doing so. 

I founded and still serve as chair of the CIGIE working group in 

this area and have been pleased to work with the Congress on it, 

including helping to organize a program with the bipartisan Senate 

Whistleblower Protection Caucus, at which we were grateful to 

hear from Senator Grassley and you, Senator Wyden. If confirmed, 

I will do everything in my power to further whistleblower rights 

and protections at the NSA. 

In closing, I cannot think of an agency with a more important 

mission than the NSA and I have tremendous respect for the dedicated men and women who are critical to its success. I would be 

privileged to have the opportunity to lead the NSA OIG to further 

the integrity and efficiency of the agency’s operations, which, as the 

NSA’s name makes clear, are essential to our national security. 

Thank you and I look forward to your questions. 

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Chairman Burr, Vice-Chairman Warner, and Members of the Committee: 

Thank you for inviting me to appear before you today regarding my nomination 

to be the first Presidentially appointed Senate confirmed Inspector General at the 

National Security Agency (NSA). I believe that this position presents an exciting 

opportunity to lead the development of the Office of the Inspector General's 

independent oversight at a critically important government agency. I would like to 

take the opportunity to recognize my family and colleagues who have come to be 

with me today. [Recognition of family members and colleagues] 

I cannot go forward without expressing my great appreciation to my Inspector 

General, Michael E. Horowitz. IG Horowitz hired me out of the U.S. Attorney's Office 

to work in the Front Office at the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General 

(DOJ OIG) back in 2012, and he selected me to be Deputy IG in 2014. I have had 

the privilege of working side by side with him, and I have tried to learn from him on 

a daily basis. He is a remarkably gifted IG, and provides which I believe to be a 

tremendous example both as to how to conduct vigorous independent oversight on a 

wide range of sensitive and important issues, and how an IG should be responsive to 

Congress and keep Members and staff appropriately informed so as to further the 

Congress' important constitutional and oversight functions and ensure that the work 

of the OIG is directed appropriately. In his capacity as Chair of the Council of the 

Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE), Michael was the one who 

initially asked if I would be open to being considered for an IG position and, if I am 

confirmed as the IG at NSA, I intend to do my best to emulate his example both 

within the agency and with Congress. 

I also want to thank you, Chairman Burr, for taking the time out of your busy 

schedule to meet with me, and Vice-Chairman Warner, I greatly appreciate the efforts 

of your staff to schedule a meeting as well. I am sorry that there was not time given 

the prompt scheduling of the hearing - which let me quickly say I appreciate very 

much - for me to meet in advance of the hearing with you and with the other 

Members of the Committee. But I want to assure the Committee that, if confirmed 

for this position, I would welcome the opportunity to meet with each of you and your 

staffs on a regular and ongoing basis to ensure the sort of robust and appropriate 

communication that I believe the Inspector General Act contemplates. I believe 

strongly in the importance of Congressional oversight, which seems particularly 

critical in an area such as this where so much of what happens occurs outside the 

public eye and, therefore, the public's confidence depends to a great extent on 

knowing that their elected representatives are fully and timely informed regarding 

the operations of the agency and steps being taken or that should be taken to 

improve those functions. 

In that regard, as this Committee knows well, in 2014, the Congress 

determined that the IG at the NSA should a Presidentially appointed Senate confirmed 

position, clearly reflecting the importance of independent oversight and 

responsiveness to Congress. I recognize that this position presents significant 

challenges. I hope that, if confirmed, my background as a federal prosecutor and in 

helping to lead the operations of the OIG at DOJ, and my various interactions with 

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the intelligence community in those capacities, would position me well to work with 

the staff of the NSA OIG to meet those challenges and, thereby, to provide 

independent oversight that detects and deters waste, fraud, abuse, and misconduct, 

and helps to ensure that the NSA meets its essential functions with integrity and 

efficiency and, of course, consistent with civil rights and civil liberties. 

The pre-hearing materials that I have submitted to the Committee detail my 

background. Following a federal judicial clerkship and a brief stint at a large law firm 

here in Washington, I became an Assistant United States Attorney in May 1987. Over 

the next twenty-five years, I worked as a federal prosecutor at two U.S. Attorney's 

Offices (USAO) -- in my hometown of Jacksonville, Florida, and later in my wife's 

hometown of Albany, New York -- and in between for several years at the DOJ 

Criminal Division's Public Integrity Section, followed by another brief stint in private 

practice when we first moved to upstate New York. I believe that my two dozen 

years as a federal prosecutor handling various types of complex criminal cases taught 

me a great deal about how to gather and consider evidence, about following the 

evidence where ever it leads, and about pursuing charges and outcomes vigorously 

but fairly and in the interests of justice. 

Immediately following the September 11 attacks, I was selected by the U.S. 

Attorney to be the Northern District of New York's initial Anti-Terrorism Coordinator. 

In that position, I worked closely with criminal and intelligence components of the 

FBI and other agencies in helping to organize and direct anti-terrorism efforts in the 

District, and in standing up our first Anti-Terrorism Task Force. I also held a number 

of other positions at different times at the USAO, including serving for many years as 

Civil Rights and Hate Crimes Coordinator, and later as Senior Litigation Counsel and 

Chief of our Appellate Division. In the latter position, I honed my writing skills in 

preparing and helping others to prepare appellate briefs, skills that I have since found 

valuable in reviewing and working with OIG teams on many of our written reports to 

ensure that they are comprehensive, comprehensible, and impactful. While at the 

USAO, I served for over a decade on the Department's Evaluation and Review Staff, 

participating in periodic peer reviews of other U.S. Attorney's Offices - my first real 

experience with that type of work. I also have worked abroad on behalf of the FBI 

and DOJ, teaching at a number of anti-corruption and other programs, and I was 

detailed with my family for two years in Ukraine on a DOJ program that provided 

technical assistance in the development of measures to address official corruption, 

including helping to create the framework for internal investigation units modeled on 

OIGs. 

In 2012, with our youngest daughter heading off to college, my wife and I 

decided to move back to Washington and I accepted a position in the Front Office at 

the OIG, where I hoped that I could use my varied experiences within the Department 

in a different but important way. While I already had spent many years at DOJ, one 

thing I came to understand early on is that OIGs are part of their agencies, but they 

also are separate from them -- our independent oversight role requiring that we 

maintain the distance necessary to permit the objective analysis and perspective that 

is, in itself, one of the most valuable aspects of the IG system. In this regard, I have 

had the opportunity to participate with the IG in various meetings and briefings with 

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the highest levels of Department leadership, where I have seen and, I hope, learned 

how to maintain that relationship regardless of the nature or sensitivity of the issues. 

On a number of occasions, I also have participated in meetings where we informed 

Department leadership about issues of which they were not previously aware, 

something that is inevitable within any large organization and a key benefit of having 

an independent IG to uncover such concerns and recommend solutions to agency 

management. 

During my time at DOJ OIG, I have been involved in the review of a number 

of reports that have continued our office's long record of conducting independent 

oversight regarding the exercise of intelligence and national security authorities by 

DOJ, in particular by the National Security Division and the Federal Bureau of 

Investigation, as well as their interaction with other parts of the intelligence 

community. I also have participated in the Deputies meetings of the Intelligence 

Community Inspector General (IC IG) Forum and attended its annual conferences. 

Through these experiences, as a prosecutor and then at the OIG, I have had the 

opportunity to interact with various aspects of the intelligence community, but I am 

not a product of it. If confirmed, I hope that my experience and perspective would 

be of assistance in working with the personnel of the NSA OIG to carry out the 

significant responsibilities that Congress has entrusted to it. 

If confirmed, in addition to maintaining regular lines of communication with 

agency leadership and the Congress, I would anticipate meeting early on with 

personnel from across the OIG to facilitate open communications within the office 

and obtain their perspectives on potential areas for improvement. This is something 

that I do with the IG on a regular basis at DOJ OIG, and have found to be very 

valuable in working with him to lead change within the organization. One area that 

I know to be of importance for all OIGs is furthering whistleblower rights and 

protections. When I first discussed coming to the OIG with IG Horowitz, we spoke 

about starting up a new Whistleblower Ombudsperson program and, under his 

leadership, we have developed a robust program that I am proud to say has been 

widely recognized a leader across the OIG community. I have put in place a number 

of educational efforts and other mechanisms that are detailed in my responses to the 

Committee's additional prehearing questions, all of which efforts are built on one 

bedrock principle: whistleblowers perform a valuable service to the agency and the 

public when they come forward with what they reasonably believe to be evidence of 

wrongdoing, and they should never face reprisal for doing so. Agencies are too big 

and their operations too varied for oversight to function without people on the front 

lines being willing to come forward when they see something they believe is wrong. 

This I think is particularly true within the intelligence community, where it seems to 

me it is critical that employees and contractors know that there are avenues available 

for them to bring forward such information, that their disclosures will be taken 

seriously, and that they will not face reprisal for performing the often difficult act of 

coming forward to report what they believe to be problems or wrongdoing within their 

own organization. 

In addition to leading our whistleblower efforts at DOJ OIG, I also founded and 

continue to serve as chair of the CIGIE Whistleblower Ombudsman Working Group, 

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which meets quarterly to share best practices, discuss current developments, and 

interact with presenters from within and outside government. I have been pleased 

to work with Congress on whistleblower issues, including helping to organize a 

program with the bipartisan Senate Whistleblower Protection Caucus at which we 

were grateful to have Senator Grassley and Senator Wyden speak as the Chair and 

Vice-Chair of that important group. If confirmed, I would welcome the opportunity 

to work with the Committee to continue such efforts, and I will do everything in my 

power to further whistleblower rights and protections at the NSA. 

I cannot think of an agency with a more important mission than the NSA, and 

I have tremendous respect for the dedicated men and women who are critical to its 

success. If confirmed, I would be privileged to have the opportunity to lead the NSA 

OIG to further the integrity and efficiency of the agency's operations, which as the 

NSA's very name makes clear, are essential to our national security. 

Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you this morning, and I look 

forward to your questions. 

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Chairman BURR. Thank you, Mr. Storch. 

Ms. Patelunas, floor is yours. 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Thank you, Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman 

Warner and members of the Committee, for allowing me to appear 

before you as the nominee for Assistant Secretary of Treasury for 

Intelligence and Analysis. I also appreciate the opportunity to have 

met with several of you earlier this week. I am honored to have 

been nominated for this position by President Trump, and with the 

support of Secretary Mnuchin, Director of National Intelligence 

Coats, and Undersecretary of Terrorism Finance and Intelligence 

Mandelker. 

None of the steps in the journey to this Committee room would 

have been possible without my family. They have been my unfailing supporters throughout my career. First, my husband, Paul, of 

three decades has supported me and has eaten many meals alone 

during my 28 years at CIA. He has been my steadfast partner in 

raising my two wonderful sons, Brian and Brandon. Those three 

men have been my cheerleaders and my conscience, the reason I 

work so hard to protect our great Nation, and the ones who have 

helped me to balance being both a hard-charging public servant 

and a sports and band mom. 

My mom, Carol Keenan, was a role model as a working mother 

and ensured that I always took care of myself. My father, Thomas 

Keenan, started me on the road to public service. Although he lost 

a hard-fought battle to cancer over a decade ago, I feel his strong 

presence and his commitment to his country, first as an Air Force 

staff sergeant in Korea, followed by a 45-year career as a beloved 

high school social studies teacher. He is indeed smiling today. 

My brothers, Kevin and Sean, have always supported me personally, professionally. Sean’s wonderful wife Beth and their three 

children, Ryan, Victoria, and Andrew, are here as well today. My 

sister Chris, also a teacher, and her wonderful husband John and 

four children were unable to attend today. I also want to thank 

friends and coworkers who have been so supportive during my career. 

The Keenan and Patelunas families have a profound love of God, 

country, and family, and have never been embarrassed by our patriotism and dedication to public service. This started with my 

grandfather, who served in both the U.S. Army and Navy and as 

a Philadelphia policeman. My father, uncles, father-in-law, brother 

Sean, and my nephew Danny all served in the military. My mother, 

father, sister, and brother spent many years in public education. 

If confirmed as assistant secretary, I will continue to strive to be 

an efficient and effective public servant, to use taxpayer dollars 

wisely, to leave a lasting positive impact on those whom I serve 

and those who I serve with, to have a bias and a passion for action 

and getting the mission done. And finally, I will be devoted to developing a strong and expert workforce and to taking actions to 

leave that job to my successor in even better shape than I received 

it. 

Twenty eight years as a CIA analyst and manager have prepared 

me well to lead OIA. And if confirmed, I’m looking forward to taking on that important mission, one in which we cannot fail: stemming the flow of funding to those who wish to do our Nation harm 

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and remaining vigilant to threats against our financial infrastructure. 

The threats are many, but the dedicated women and men of OIA 

are more than up to the challenge. OIA, because of its position 

within Treasury and access to expertise and information, has been 

a leader in threat finance issues. I feel that the office’s work is becoming even more important as the U.S. Government is directing 

more efforts to take financial action against those who wish to do 

us harm. 

OIA has other important missions that I look forward to leading. 

It is very serious about information sharing and focuses on relationship building, partnership and integration. 

OIA has an important mission to ensure that its people, infrastructure and data are secure and protected from insider threats. 

If confirmed, I will use my expertise, leadership and strong analytic tradecraft to continue to position the Office of Intelligence and 

Analysis to stem current threats, as well as to position it well to 

take on future threats. I am committed to being an effective public 

servant, having a bias for collaborative action, working with colleagues throughout the United States Government, including this 

Committee, and ultimately leaving OIA even stronger than it is 

today. 

Thank you again for your time, and I look forward to answering 

your questions. 

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Opening Statement - Isabel Patelunas, Nominee for 

Assistant Secretary of Treasury for Intelligence and Analysis 

19 July 2017 

Thank you, Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman Warner, and Members of the Committee, for allowing me to 

appear before you as the President's nominee for Assistant Secretary of Treasury for Intelligence and 

Analysis (OIA), and for the opportunity to have met with several of you earlier this week. I am honored 

to have been nominated for this position by President Trump and with the support of Secretary 

Mnuchin, Director of National Intelligence Coats, and Undersecretary for Terrorism Finance and 

Intelligence Mandelker. 

None of the steps in the journey to this committee room would have been possible without my family. 

They have been my unfailing supporters throughout my career. First, my husband of three decades, 

Paul, has supported me-and has eaten many meals alone-during the decades of my career. He has 

been my steadfast partner in raising our two wonderful sons, Brian and Brandon. Those three men have 

been my cheerleaders and my conscience, the reason I work so hard to protect our great nation, and the 

ones who helped me to balance being both a hard-charging public servant and a sports and band mom. 

My mom, Carol Keenan, was a role model as a working mother and has ensured that I always took care 

of myself. My father, Thomas Keenan, started me on the road to public service. Although he lost a 

hard-fought battle with cancer over a decade ago, I feel his strong presence every day in his 

commitment to his country as an Air Force staff sergeant in Korea, followed by a 45 year career as a 

beloved high school social studies teacher. He is indeed smiling today. 

My brothers, Kevin and Sean, have always supported me personally and professionally. Sean's 

wonderful wife Beth and their three children Ryan, Victoria, and Andrew are here as well. My sister, 

Chris, also a teacher, and her wonderful husband, John and four children were unable to attend today. 

also want to thank my friends and co-workers who have been so supportive during my career. 

The Keenan and Patelunas families have a profound love of God, country, and family, and have never 

been embarrassed by our patriotism and dedication to public service. This started with my grandfather, 

who served in the US Army and Navy and as a policeman in Philadelphia; my father, uncles, father-in-law 

and brother, Sean, and my nephew Danny all served in the military. My mother, father, sister, and 

brother have spent many years in public education. 

If confirmed as Assistant Secretary, I will continue to strive to be an efficient and effective public servant 

-to use tax dollars wisely, to leave a lasting positive impact on those whom I serve and serve with, and 

to have a bias and a passion for action in getting the mission done. Finally, I will be devoted to 

developing a strong and expert workforce, and to taking actions that leave the job to my successor in 

even better shape than I received it. 

Twenty-eight years as an intelligence analyst and manager, including providing high-level policy support, 

have prepared me well to lead OIA in its important mission, one in which we cannot fail: stemming the 

flow of funding to those who wish to do our nation harm, and remaining vigilant to threats to our 
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financial infrastructure. The threats are many, but the dedicated women and men of OIA are more than 

up to the challenges. 

OIA, because of its position within Treasury and access to expertise and information, has been a leader 

on the threat finance issue. Its analysts provide all-source analytic support for Treasury and nationallevel actions. I feel that the Office's work is becoming even more important, as the USG is directing 

more effort to take financial action against those who wish to do us harm. OIA leaders and its workforce 

are proud of their high standard of analytic tradecraft, and work hard to meet the highest standards for 

quality, timeliness, and impact of their products. 

And indeed, OIA's hard work has impact. The office's expertise and analytic support inform 

efforts to disrupt the finances of terrorist groups such as ISIS, of North Korea proliferation and 

regime finance networks, and of Mexican transnational criminal networks. OIA's efforts also 

support targeting of financial institutions that threaten the US financial system. 

OIA has other important missions that strengthen its leadership in the area of threat finance. 

• It is very serious about information sharing, and focuses on relationship-building, partnership, 

and integration. 

• OIA has an important mission to ensure that its people, infrastructure, and data are secure and 

to protect them from insider threats. 

If confirmed, I will use my expertise, leadership, and strong analytic tradecraft to continue to position 

the Office of Intelligence and Analysis to stem current threats as well as to take on the threats of the 

future. I am committed to being an effective public servant, having a bias for collaborative actionworking with colleagues throughout the USG, including this committee-and ultimately leaving OIA 

even stronger than it is today. 

Thank you again for your time. I look forward to answering your questions. 
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Chairman BURR. Thank you to both of you for your statements. 

Before I recognize myself for questions, let me inform the members that our plan is to have the Committee vote on these nominations on Tuesday, July 25th. Also, if any members wish to submit 

questions for the record, please do so by the close of business today. 

With that, Senators will be recognized for up to five minutes by 

seniority. 

Ms. Patelunas, we live in an innovative world where nefarious 

state and non-state actors continue to identify new and discreet 

ways to finance illegitimate and illicit activities. How’s the Treasury’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis poised to assess cash-free 

financial networks like Bitcoin and other web-based currencies? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Sir, thank you for that question, and we discussed this a little bit yesterday. The good news is that there is 

very deep expertise in the Office of Intelligence and Analysis. Because their portfolios are niche analysis, they really are able to become deep experts in a wide variety of financial intelligence, both 

gathering and analysis, and they have a strong program of mentoring, of training, and they go out on rotations to further their 

knowledge. So in many of my discussions with the officers and the 

leadership over in OIA, I feel very strongly that we are well-positioned to go after a wide variety of actors, including crypto-financial issues. 

Chairman BURR. Great, thank you. 

Mr. Storch, the Inspector General at NSA is going to be responsible for overseeing a large organization at multiple physical locations, probably as challenging as any agency that’s out there. 

How do you plan to ensure that all NSA employees and contractors are fully aware of the function of the NSA OIG, regardless of 

their physical location? 

Mr. STORCH. Thank you very much, Chairman Burr. I very much 

appreciate the question. 

You know, it obviously is incredibly important that an OIG get 

out word to all of the employees regarding what the OIG does and 

how to provide information. I think that’s particularly important in 

a world like that of the NSA. 

And so I can just tell you, what we’ve done at the Department 

of Justice is we’ve employed virtually every strategy available to 

us, honestly. We’ve done videos. We’ve done brochures, flyers, put 

things out on our Internet. We’ve done programs within the agency. We’ve worked with the agency to have material posted in buildings so that there are flyers on how to provide information to the 

OIG and also related to what to do if there’s reprisal for doing that 

or for providing any whistleblower information. And so we’ve even 

gone as far as to use social media, and we have a Twitter account 

and we’ve tweeted out information on how to provide information. 

So, you know, no OIG can function without information and it’s 

important that people within an agency like the NSA understand 

that there are avenues for them to come forward when they see 

something they think is wrong; and that they’re taken seriously; 

those complaints are reviewed thoroughly; and that people get back 

to them, to the extent they can; and also that they don’t suffer reprisal. 

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So I think you employ a multi-tiered strategy to try to get out 

the word so that people understand what the OIG does, and you 

do it any way you can. 

Chairman BURR. What do see as your biggest challenge of being 

the NSA Inspector General? 

Mr. STORCH. Thank you very much for the question. It’s something I’ve thought a lot about, and we chatted a little about it yesterday. You know, I think that—I think there are a few. One is obviously the transition to being a presidentially appointed, Senateconfirmed IG. Clearly, that reflects Congress’s intent that there be 

aggressive, appropriate, independent oversight and responsiveness 

to Congress in performing that. That’s something we certainly do 

at the Department of Justice and certainly, if confirmed, something 

I would intend to do in my position at the NSA. So that’ll be a 

change, but one that I’m confident, working with the good folks at 

the OIG, that we’ll be able to tackle. 

Another one that we talked about yesterday is the pace of change 

and dealing with that. Particularly in a place like the NSA, where 

technology—where things are changing on a constant basis, it’s 

really important that an OIG be agile, be nimble, and provide its 

reviews in a prompt fashion. 

Frankly, this is a challenge we face at our OIG and I think at 

all OIGs. I thought about it some since we chatted yesterday. 

There’s a tension, I think, between OIGs being thorough in their 

work and being authoritative, but not taking so long to do it that 

it no longer is relevant or impactful. 

And so I think that challenge is particularly great at an agency 

like the NSA, which is in the business of dealing with technology 

and change and things that are moving constantly. And so that’s 

something we’ll have to work at. I’m sure they’re working at it 

now, and hopefully I’ll be able to aid in that process. 

And finally, you’ve mentioned it, I’ve mentioned it: whistleblowers. I think they’re fundamental to the whole OIG system. You 

know, since I’ve come over to the OIG my impression is really that 

the agencies we serve are really just too big and their programs are 

just too varied for oversight to really work effectively without people who are at the front lines feeling comfortable coming forward 

with information. 

That doesn’t mean they’re always right, but we want to make 

sure that they can come forward, that they have means to come 

forward, and that they know that that’s going to be taken seriously. I think that’s a challenge for all OIGs, is getting that word 

out and not just having words and training, but actually doing it 

in action and showing to whistleblowers that we mean what we 

say, that we take the allegations seriously, and that we’re going to 

pursue them appropriately. 

So those are all challenges that I think we would face. Hopefully 

I’ll be well-positioned to help achieve success with them. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you very much. 

Vice Chairman. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Ms. Patelunas, first, we—as I’m sure 

you’re aware, this Committee is deeply involved in the Russia investigation. I just want to reiterate, should you be confirmed, that 

we would want your cooperation as this Committee continues to 

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pursue all activities related to Russia’s 2016 intervention in our 

presidential elections, and that will mean we would be working 

closely with your office. 

Will you commit to continue to work with this Committee on that 

investigation? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. I certainly will, sir. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. You’ve got an extraordinarily impressive background, 28 years at the CIA, and I see you’ve had background doing the PDB, deputy director of the Middle East Analysis 

Office, time at the National Counterproliferation Center. Yet you 

don’t have formal background in finance or financial threats, financial crimes. Do you want to speak about your background, how it 

might be suited for this particular assignment? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. So while I don’t have a background in terrorism 

threat financing, I spent about the first ten years of my career 

doing nonproliferation work and looking at North Korea, Russia, 

Iran, a variety of actors. And so a lot of what we did, while we 

looked at, you know, building of weapon systems, we also had to 

follow the money and look at how the weapons were built. 

So we did spend a lot of time supporting policymakers as they 

were developing sanctions packages and looking for other opportunities to stem the flow of money in the proliferation arena. So 

that’s where my background is in that. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. We do think following the money in a 

variety of these areas—— 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Right. 

Vice Chairman WARNER [continuing]. Is going to be very important. 

Mr. Storch, I appreciate your comments about whistleblowers. I 

share your value in that role. We have seen in the IC sometimes 

efforts where a whistleblower, rather than being celebrated, actually ends up with demotions or a black mark on their record. 

One of the tools that have been used throughout the rest of the 

Federal Government are the stay authority, which gives that whistleblower some protection during the period of the investigation. 

The IC is one area where we don’t have that stay authority. I know 

Senator Collins and I are working on potentially changing that. 

Do you think that stay authority that is granted to whistleblowers in other parts of the Federal Government ought to be 

granted to members of the IC? 

Mr. STORCH. Thank you very much for the question, Vice Chairman Warner. 

You know, as was mentioned from the beginning, we really have 

put a great emphasis on whistleblower issues at DOJ OIG, and 

after becoming deputy, in discussions with our IG, we decided I 

would retain the ombudsperson role because of the importance of 

that work to what we do. 

We don’t have stay authority at DOJ OIG. That doesn’t mean it’s 

not a good idea. It’s something that, honestly, I haven’t dealt with 

personally. OSC, obviously, has that ability in some circumstances, 

in Title 5 cases. 

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ing how stay authority would play out and what the different equities are there that might be present. 

You know, one of the things I always want to be careful of in my 

time in the OIG is not expressing opinions without having the opportunity to really review the situation and provide an authoritative answer. So I very much appreciate the question. And what 

I would pledge to do, if confirmed, is to look further into it, and 

would really appreciate the opportunity, and welcome it, to work 

with you and the other members of the Committee to discuss it. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Well, it’s my initial impression that it 

is a tool that we ought to grant to the IC, but I’d be anxious to 

get your reflections when you’re—once you get settled into this job. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Feinstein. 

Senator FEINSTEIN. Thank you very much. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. 

You both seem to be very well-qualified for your positions. I look 

forward to supporting them. 

Mr. Storch, I’d like to ask you a question. You look like a pretty 

tough guy. And—— 

Mr. STORCH. My wife might disagree, but—— 

Senator FEINSTEIN [continuing]. I want to express a concern I 

have about NSA. Beginning with Mr. Snowden, we have had three 

major thefts of—people walking out with classified material. I have 

spoken to the heads of the agency on a number of occasions about 

it. 

I think some things have been done, but not adequately. This 

comes down to contractors, and the three big thefts are done—were 

performed by contractors. I’d like to ask that you take a look at 

that situation, evaluate the security at the agency and the ability 

of people to walk in and out who are contractors with classified materials. Would I have your agreement to do so? 

Mr. STORCH. Absolutely, Senator. Really, the points you make 

are very well-taken. Obviously, it’s a great concern whenever there 

are—whether it’s contractors or others, where there’s information 

that’s not properly secured. 

I can’t, frankly, imagine a place where that would be a greater 

concern than the NSA. And so, you know, I absolutely would pledge 

to you that that is something that we would explore, and happy to 

engage with you and the other members of the Committee on that. 

Senator FEINSTEIN. Thank you. Thank you very much. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Wyden. 

Senator WYDEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Thank you both for your professionalism. I’ve got a lot of ground 

to cover in five minutes, so if you all could be brief, that’d be great. 

Mr. Storch, to begin with you, Senator Grassley and I are cochairs of the Whistleblower Caucus. And how important, in your 

view, is it that whistleblower protections apply to contractors? 

Mr. STORCH. Thank you very much for the question, Senator 

Wyden. I mentioned—I recalled, we had the event with the bipartisan Senate Whistleblower Caucus, and we very much appreciated 

your and Senator Grassley’s speaking at it. 

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You know, I think it’s important that people throughout the government, whether they be employees or whether they be employed 

as contractors hired by the government, feel comfortable coming 

forward with information. And honestly, analytically it’s difficult to 

see why there’s a difference in terms of the public benefit of coming 

forward. What may different somewhat—may be different somewhat, is because of the different relationships, what the appropriate remedies are in different situations. 

You know, on the Title 5 side at DOJ, as you know well, we have 

the NDAA, recently expanded, and some very expansive protection 

for contractors. On the intel side, I know PPD–19, part B, regarding security clearances, has been applied to contractors. But there 

are other places where I understand the protections are not as 

great. 

So it’s a long answer. You asked me to be brief. The answer is, 

I recognize the importance of it. Regarding the particular protections, that’s something that I would have to look at and will be 

happy to do so. 

Senator WYDEN. You’ll hear from me again on this topic. I think 

it’s got to be a priority. 

Ms. Patelunas, you and I talked yesterday. You’ve been nominated for a position that stands at the center of the government’s 

effort to understand Russian corruption, the way they move funds 

illicitly, and its use of shell companies and other forms of money 

laundering. Will you make this a top priority? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. As we discussed yesterday, sir, I will certainly 

go back, I will work with the women and men of OIA and do our 

best. And then, I actually welcome the opportunity to come back 

and discuss it with you. 

Shell companies are concerning. Again, they’re—we need to make 

sure that things that we can’t see readily by nefarious actors are 

not impacting our national security interests. 

Senator WYDEN. I still want to know from you before we vote 

that this is going to be a top priority, number one. 

Number two, will you make it a top priority, even if the intelligence leads in the direction of Russian ties to the President’s 

business, family or campaign? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Sir, I will commit to making it a top priority. 

And, as an intelligence official, we always believe in unbiased intelligence and speaking truth to power. So I will take the intelligence 

where it leads, sir. 

Senator WYDEN. Even if it leads in the direction of Russian ties 

where I mentioned, the President’s businesses, family or campaign? 

I think you gave a good answer. I just want to make sure we nail 

it down. 

Ms. PATELUNAS. I will take the intelligence wherever it goes. 

Again—— 

Senator WYDEN. Okay. 

Ms. PATELUNAS [continuing]. Unbiased analysis is the only 

standard by which all intelligence officers—— 

Senator WYDEN. How are you going to go about bringing together 

foreign intelligence from the community, the intelligence community, with financial intelligence from other parts of the Treasury 

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The reason that that’s so important is it lets us connect the dots 

here, which is absolutely key to following the money and really understanding how Russia and other foreign money-laundering corrupts our country. 

So tell me, if you would, how you’re going to bring together the 

foreign intelligence from the IC with financial intelligence from 

other parts of the Treasury Department? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. So the beauty of Treasury being embedded—or 

OIA being embedded in Treasury is that it does give us access to 

a lot of data, and we all fall under the Terrorism and Finance Intelligence Office under Undersecretary Mandelker, so that gives us 

access. 

The financial intelligence community is a very strong community. 

I’ve talked to a number of them in preparation for this hearing, 

and they work well together as a team to ensure that we are putting all of the resources we have available, and then thinking very 

smartly about how we pursue different leads. So I again look forward to the challenge and to working with you. 

Senator WYDEN. How do you intend to work with our allies in 

bringing together the fullest possible picture of how Russian governments go about undermining allies’ democracy? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Well, it’s my understanding that there are a lot 

of well-established ties already. So I look forward to working with 

allies and those who have—I mean, that’s the national security. 

That’s how we work in making sure that we have access to the appropriate data. 

Senator WYDEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Ms. PATELUNAS. I look forward to that. 

Chairman BURR. Senator Harris. 

Senator HARRIS. Thank you. 

Mr. Storch, as a prosecutor it is often the case that we will respond after something has happened, and then that’s when our job 

kicks in. Will you talk with me a bit about how you would divide 

your priorities in this role, if confirmed, as it relates to prevention 

versus detection versus responding to a whistleblower in cases that 

are brought to your attention? 

Mr. STORCH. Yes, of course. Thank you for the question, Senator. 

You know, it really is a great point. You know, as prosecutors 

you’re coming in, you’re coming in after the fact, you’re looking at 

a set of evidence, and then you’re making determinations as to 

whether to bring charges and how to pursue them and how they 

should be resolved. 

At the OIG, we do that sort of work, obviously, but we also have 

a responsibility to get out information within the agency. So for instance, we do things like fraud awareness briefings at DOJ and 

things like that to get out information that can help the agency in 

a preventative fashion. 

You have to be careful, obviously, because we’re not part of the 

agency management. One of the things I’ve learned after all those 

years as a prosecutor is that, at the OIG we refer to the Department in the third person. We talk about ‘‘it is doing that’’ or ‘‘they 

are doing that,’’ because, even though I still am proud to work for 

the Department of Justice, I have a different, independent role. 

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Having said that, there are ways to get out information so that 

the agency can see what’s coming and perhaps, you know, take 

steps to address it. 

One other thing we do that I’ll mention, which is sort of a hybrid, 

is in the course of reviews, if we come upon information that we 

think the agency needs to address immediately, we can issue management advisory memoranda. And as you I’m sure know, under 

the IG Empowerment Act now, if we make recommendations, within three days those actually are made public. 

And I think that’s a very important tool and something that I’ve 

seen us using increasingly during my time at the DOJ OIG, because it provides us with a more time-sensitive way to get information to the agency. 

So a lot of the work is still reactive, but there are, I think, ways 

to get out information to people about what we’re finding so that 

they can take action in a preventative way. 

Senator HARRIS. Great. I appreciate that. 

Mr. STORCH. Yes, ma’am. 

Senator HARRIS. Thank you. 

And, Ms. Patelunas, you have an incredible amount of experience 

in your background, but I don’t see a lot in threat finance. So can 

you talk a bit about how you will kind of get up to speed on that, 

and in particular as it relates to, for example, North Korea and its 

ballistic missile program and what we can do to detect and figure 

out where the money is coming from and stem the flow as it relates 

to sanctions and other methods? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Well, one of the positions that wasn’t mentioned 

in my broad resume was that I was the chief of the missile and 

space group, and we spent an awful lot of time on North Korea. 

So there are two aspects to it. The first is, of course, the systems 

development, but the second and maybe more important part was 

watching how the money flowed and all of the different secondary 

and tertiary actors they used in enabling that program. 

It was very challenging work. It took a lot of painstaking efforts 

to look at letters of credit and who those actors were. So again, it’s 

a long part of my history in the nonproliferation world. Following 

the money is very important and I’ve spent a lot of time doing that. 

Now, on the terrorism side, I do have some work to do and I will 

look forward to lots of briefings that will be queued up if I’m confirmed. 

Senator HARRIS. And I have no doubt you will be a fast learner. 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Thank you. 

Senator HARRIS. And then, Leslie Ireland was dual-hatted and 

had dual responsibilities in this position and at ODNI. 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Correct. 

Senator HARRIS. What is your perspective on what this will be 

going forward if confirmed? Do you expect that you’re going to have 

both responsibilities? Or are they—are we going to bring in someone else? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. So I’ve talked to the ODNI about it. They are 

in the middle of reviewing all of their positions, including NIM positions, and they’re really looking at savings. I think they’ve had 

some feedback that maybe there’s some opportunities for 

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And so they’re not going to make any decisions. They’ll talk to 

me when I get on board, and so we’ll see. If the position is still 

available, I think it’s important for Treasury to have a central role 

in that, but Treasury has a very important and strong role in 

threat finance and so I am committed to working with ODNI in 

whatever solutions they come up with. 

Senator HARRIS. And will you commit to reporting back to this 

Committee if this becomes—— 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Absolutely. 

Senator HARRIS [continuing]. Too much—— 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Either way, I will. Yes. 

Senator HARRIS [continuing]. That the other position be filled by 

a separate leader? 

Ms. PATELUNAS. Correct. 

Senator HARRIS. Okay. Thank you. 

I have nothing else. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you, Senator Harris. 

Before I dismiss you, Robert, I’ve got one more question. Can you 

ever envision any work that the Inspector General would do at 

NSA that wasn’t relevant to the oversight responsibilities of this 

Committee? 

[Pause.] 

Mr. STORCH. Thank you very much for the question, Chairman 

Burr. I’m pausing because it’s a difficult question. I think that, to 

the extent I understand the scope of the NSA IG’s work, that it 

would be relevant to this Committee. I don’t want to rule out, honestly, that there might be some review that would be conducted or 

some particular issue that would perhaps fall more closely under 

the jurisdiction of another of the committees. 

But I think as a general matter that’s right. And it’s certainly 

something I would be happy to discuss with you further regarding 

any specific matter should I be confirmed. 

I will tell you, and I mean this sincerely, that I will commit to 

this Committee that I will be responsive and engage with you, with 

the Vice Chairman, with the other members, on an ongoing basis 

so that you know appropriately what it is the OIG is doing and so 

that we can hear from you what it is you think we should be looking at. 

And so I think that much I can say definitively. With regard to 

the jurisdiction, I just—I think that’s right, but it’s something I’d 

want to think about a little more, and I’d be happy to continue that 

discussion. 

Chairman BURR. I appreciate that, and I hope you’ll think about 

that as you conduct your business, and I’m appreciative of the 

offer. And I will reiterate what I think I said to you in my office 

and, Isabel, what I said to you. The Committee takes oversight extremely—as an extremely important part of our function. And oversight works much better when people on an ongoing basis share 

with us what it is they’re working on, come to us early in areas 

that look like they’re going to be concerns and brief the Committee 

as early as possible, so that it’s not an end-of-the-process dump 

where all the questions deal with, ‘‘why didn’t you come in?’’ 

So I encourage you, even though, as, Isabel, I shared with you, 

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Intelligence and Analysis of anybody within the community that we 

deal with, that doesn’t have to be the way going forward. 

And, as the Vice Chairman expressed, more and more the financial records that transfer around the world are of greater and 

greater importance to us, from a standpoint of connecting the dots 

and looking at the threats and understanding the scope of it. 

By the same standpoint, Robert, on your side, it’s the individuals 

that search out to find that information. And our confidence in you 

that we’re living within the letter of the law and that we’re not 

crossing the line is absolutely crucial to us. 

So, to both of you, we thank you for your years of service. We 

thank you in advance for the years that you’re going to give us in 

this new capacity. I thank your families for their buy-in and for 

their willingness to support you. 

I now dismiss the first panel and call up the second panel. 

[Recess from 9:55 a.m. to 9:58 a.m.] 

Chairman BURR. I’d like to call us back into session for the second panel. 

Sue, welcome. Sue Gordon is President Trump’s nominee to be 

the next Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence. Sue, 

congratulations on your nomination. 

I’d like to take this moment to recognize your family in attendance today, many of whom have served or continue to serve this 

country: your father, Vice Admiral Robert ‘‘Bob’’ Monroe—Admiral, 

welcome—your mother, Charlotte, welcome; your husband, Jim, a 

career intelligence officer; your son, Jay, his wife Bethany, both assistant district attorneys. 

And I hear you have two captains from the Marine Corps with 

you, your daughter Casey and her husband Eric. Wave. Trust me; 

in North Carolina we love Marines. 

[Laughter.] 

Let me thank all of you for your service to the country. I also 

want to especially thank your sister Nancy for coming today, because I understand she was a cheerleader at my alma mater, Wake 

Forest, when I played football there. Some of my colleagues don’t 

believe that that’s the case, but—— 

Vice Chairman WARNER. You played football? 

Chairman BURR. I also want to have your teammates from the 

Duke basketball team, Barbara Krause and Margo Walsh—I welcome them. I’m also pleased when the ACC is so well represented. 

Our goal in conducting this hearing is to enable the Committee 

to consider Ms. Gordon’s qualifications and to allow for thoughtful 

deliberation by our members. She already has provided substantive 

written response to questions presented by the Committee and its 

members. Today, of course, members will be able to ask additional 

questions and hear from Ms. Gordon in open session. 

Sue Gordon has served our Nation as a member of the intelligence community for more than 30 years. I’d like to note that before Sue launched her career she wisely sought wisdom in North 

Carolina, where she earned her bachelor of science degree from 

Duke University. She reminded me that she could equip me with 

a darker blue tie today. Had I actually been thinking, there’s no 

way I would’ve worn this one today. 

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After joining the CIA’s Directorate of Intelligence in 1980, Sue 

worked her way up the ranks and ultimately served in various 

management positions before becoming leader in the CIA’s Directorate of Science and Technology. 

In 1998, Ms. Gordon became Special Assistant to the Director of 

the Central Intelligence Agency and was responsible for designing 

and implementing In-Q-Tel, a private nonprofit company whose 

primary purpose is to deliver innovative technology solutions for 

the intelligence community. 

Sue rounded out her career at the CIA by serving as the Director 

of the Directorate of Support and the Director of Information Operations Center and finally as CIA’s director of senior—Director’s 

Senior Advisor on Cyber. 

In 2015, Ms. Gordon became the Deputy Director of National 

Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. In that role, Sue has ably assisted 

the director in fulfilling the NGA’s mission to provide timely, relevant and accurate and actionable geospatial intelligence to the intelligence community, the Department of Defense, the President, 

and this Committee. 

Sue, you’ve been asked to help lead the intelligence community 

at a time of profound threat and challenge. As I said during Director Coats’s nomination hearing, we’re facing threats from state and 

non-state actors alike and are engaged in a robust debate at home 

on the scope and the scale of intelligence objectives and collection 

and what authorities are right and appropriate and lawful. 

I expect you to be a forceful advocate for the intelligence community in those discussions, while maintaining an unwavering respect 

for the rule of law. And I have no question you will. I have complete trust that you’ll lead the community with integrity and will 

ensure that the intelligence enterprise operates lawfully, ethically, 

and morally. 

Sue, our Committee has had the opportunity to work with you 

many times during your career, and I believe your breadth of service in so many areas of the intelligence community, as well as your 

commitment to serving our Nation, make you a natural fit to help 

Director Coats lead our intelligence community. 

As I told Dan Coats, I can assure you that this Committee will 

continue to faithfully follow its charter and conduct vigorous and 

real-time oversight of the intelligence community, its operations 

and its activities. We’ll ask difficult and probing questions to you 

and your staff, and we’ll expect honest, complete and timely responses. 

I look forward to supporting your nomination. I look forward to 

having you as a partner with Director Coats, and I will ensure to 

you that we are going to consider you without delay. I want to 

thank you again for being here, for your years of service, and to 

your family who has committed as well to that service. 

I now recognize the Vice Chairman. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

It’s also my great honor to welcome Sue, someone who’s helped 

educate me as I have learned this—learned about the intelligence 

community. Matter of fact, Mr. Chairman, I would like to enter 

into the record a publication called The Cipher Brief, the title of 

which is ‘‘The Great Expectations for Susan M. Gordon,’’ where she 

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is called—‘‘Gordon might just be the woman for the job.’’ She’s 

‘‘said to be widely liked by members of both political parties, deeply 

respected,’’ ‘‘straight shooter,’’ and a whole series of other wonderful compliments. So if you screw up, this is going to come back and 

bite you. 

[Laughter.] 

Chairman BURR. So ordered. 

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The Great Expectations for Susan M. Gordon 

By Suzanne Kelly 

July 19,2017 

The Cipher Brief 

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/column/state-secrets/the-grcat-expectations-for-susan-mgordon?utm source=Join+the+Community+Subscribers&utm campaign=574c2f9b8fEMAIL CAMPAIGN 2017 07 19&utm medium=email&utm term=O 02cbee778d574c2f9b8~12248668l 

As Susan M. Gordon sits before the Senate Intelligence Committee for her 

confirmation hearing to be the next Principal Deputy Director to the Director ofNational 

Intelligence, it's difficult to ignore the enormous expectation being placed on her 

shoulders. 

For starters, the role ofPDDNI (as its more affectionately referred to within the 

Intelligence Community) is an enormously influential position. As the right hand of the 

head of the organization created after 9/11 to make sure all sixteen U.S. Intelligence 

agencies do a better job of sharing information, the position is among the most 

instrumental in the IC. But if confirmed, (and she's widely expected to breeze through 

the process), Gordon will inherit a messy global threat landscape and an even messier 

political landscape at home. 

So, here's a picture of the battlespace she's entering, where challenges, both 

internal and external, abound. 

First, a little context: multiple sources report that her future boss, Director of 

National Intelligence Dan Coats, remains in close contact with President Trump on a 

daily basis -mostly because the President actively engages in his morning briefing. That's 

a good thing- but even Coats himself told Congress in May that he's been spending 

more time in the Oval Office than even he anticipated. So, what does that mean for 

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Coats laid out the external challenges clearly during May's Worldwide Threats 

Hearing: cyber attacks, emerging and disruptive technologies, the rapid advancement of 

artificial intelligence - used not just by the U.S. but by its adversaries -the ethical and 

national security implications of genome editing, terrorism both at home and abroad, 

weapons of mass destruction that range from Russia's development of a ground-launched 

cruise missile to China modernizing its nuclear forces, to North Korea's ongoing missile 

tests, space and counter space, transnational organized crime, the list goes on. 

Internally, well, the threats hit much closer to home. The very future of her 

expected new office, the ODNI, is rumored to be in the sights of President Trump, and in 

particular, Jared Kushner, amid allegations that ODNI has become- well- too bloated. 

For months now, Steve Fineberg, the CEO of Cerberus, who was reportedly brought in 

by Kushner, has been holding meetings all over Washington, DC with former and current 

intelligence officials in hopes ofleading an official review of how efficiently the IC does 

or does not operate. Multiple sources say the meetings last for hours, and attendees are 

told to come prepared to spend some time. But while Fineberg is- according to the same 

sources highly patriotic and passionate about lending his expertise to the mission, he 

hasn't been granted an official role and Dan Coats is reportedly adamant that any internal 

review be led internally. Navigating that political storm will be a prime task for a woman 

who has spent a career working with, and understanding the Intelligence Community but 

also understanding where it fails in its ability to pursue innovative approaches to 

problems. 

But the issue of who leads an IC review might be the least of Gordon's worries in 

a heated political environment fueled via Twitter. Keep in mind that Gordon would be 

leading an intelligence community that is badly bruised. The President- intentionally or 

not has repeatedly slapped the IC in the face, particularly by his public questioning of 

the IC finding that Russia did indeed carry out an information influence campaign during 

the 2016 presidential election. And don't think for a moment that the IC isn't equipped 

for revenge via a series of leaks that have come out over the past several months. 

Gordon might be just the woman for the job, though. Said to be widely liked by members 

of both political parties and deeply respected by her colleagues in the IC, she brings a 

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about change within government agencies not well-equipped for it. Gordon is known as 

an innovative thinker, evidenced by her comments at The Cipher Brief's Annual Threat 

Conference earlier this summer, when she told a public-private crowd that the 

government has to be more innovative in its approach to threats, which is a tough thing, 

she said, because "it wasn't actually designed for that." 

But the American people should consider Gordon well equipped for the challenge. She 

has spent the bulk of her career at the CIA, where she most recently served as Director of 

the Information Operations Center while also serving as the CIA Director's chief advisor 

on cyber. She previously served as Director of Support, where she was responsible for 

worldwide security, logistics, finance, information technology, and personnel for the 

Agency's domestic and overseas positions. 

Gordon started at the CIA in 1980 as an analyst in the Office of Scientific and 

Weapons Research the part of the CIA that's responsible for technical analysis of 

foreign space and missile systems. She then went on to the Agency's Directorate of 

Science and Technology. and later was named the first Director of the Office of 

Advanced Analytic Tools. 

In the 90s, she was named special assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence. 

That's when George Tenet- the Director at the time tasked his team with finding a way 

to bring more innovative ideas inside the walls of Langley. Gordon cast her eye on 

Silicon Valley and became a driving force behind what would become a new approach to 

public-private partnership for the development of information technology. Today that 

company is known as In-Q-Tel. 

I Iopefully all of that will help Gordon navigate the new challenge of assisting Dan 

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Vice Chairman WARNER. But I’d like to enter that into the 

record. 

And I just want to reiterate what the Chairman said. I think 

you’re going to be a great partner with Dan Coats. We’ve talked 

about IC ITE and how important trying to get that implemented, 

that process implemented will be. We’ve talked about acquisitions, 

particularly in terms of overhead, and very much appreciate the 

fresh approach you brought at NGA; and now, in this new, enhanced role, how we will try to bring that same kind of forwardleaning acquisition process to NRO and the balance of the community. 

I also think one of the things that we’re going to need to work 

through is the security clearance process, how we move people from 

the community in and out as they move from public sector to private sector and back, back, back and forth. 

Again, I can’t think of a better person to partner with Dan Coats, 

and look forward very much to supporting your nomination. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you, Vice Chairman. 

Sue, would you please stand? Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the 

truth, so help you God? 

Ms. GORDON. I do. 

Chairman BURR. Please be seated. 

TESTIMONY OF SUSAN M. GORDON, NOMINATED TO BE 

PRINCIPAL DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE 

Chairman BURR. Sue, before we move to your statement, I’d like 

to ask you five standard questions the Committee poses to each 

nominee who appears before us. They require a simple yes or no 

answer for the record. 

Do you agree to appear before the Committee here or in other 

venues when invited? 

Ms. GORDON. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. If confirmed—would you cut on your microphone, just to make sure he picks it up. 

If confirmed, do you agree to send officials from your office to appear before the Committee and designated staff when invited? 

Ms. GORDON. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to provide documents or any other 

materials requested by the Committee for it to carry out its oversight and legislative responsibilities? 

Ms. GORDON. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. Will you ensure that your office and your staff 

provide such materials to the Committee when requested? 

Ms. GORDON. Yes. 

Chairman BURR. Do you agree to inform and fully brief to the 

fullest extent possible all members of the Committee of intelligence 

activities and covert action, rather than just the members—the 

Chairman and the Vice Chairman? 

Ms. GORDON. Yes, I will. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you very much. 

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Ms. GORDON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Vice Chairman, 

members of the Committee. I am honored to appear before you as 

the nominee for the Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence. I’d like to begin by thanking the President for nominating 

me to this position and Director Coats for his faith in my experience and my passion to help him lead the intelligence community. 

I love America. I love being here today as we do the Nation’s 

work, as our founders envisioned. I never thought I’d say that I 

would enjoy being here, testifying in front of this Committee, to anticipate your gentle, gentle questioning—— 

[Laughter.] 

But I do. 

As a career intelligence officer, to lead the women and men of the 

world’s finest intelligence enterprise in service of the Nation at a 

time of challenge is both humbling and exciting. 

We are who we began as. Today, I’m so pleased to be joined by 

my family, some by birth, some by choice, who helped bring me to 

this day: 

My mom and dad, who instilled in me a love of country, the drive 

to always do my very best, and the responsibility to work for something bigger than myself; 

My big brother and sister, who allowed me to live through childhood and who keep me in line to this day; 

My husband, who has been the love of my life and my best friend 

for actually today 37 years. And the fact that he is also a career 

intelligence professional means we not only get to share our life, 

but our life’s work. 

My remarkable children and their spouses, as you mentioned, 

two assistant district attorneys from Houston and two Marine pilots currently stationed in Southern California, who have also chosen to serve their term for their country; 

My Duke basketball teammates, who taught me how to be depended upon and to learn how to depend on others, and to win with 

respect and to lose with dignity; 

And finally, my intelligence community colleagues, who are really the heroes of my story. It is their work that brings me here. 

Thank you all for standing with me today, as you always have. 

These are interesting times, as you mentioned, Mr. Chairman, as 

the Nation faces a wide variety of security challenges, whether it’s 

the cyber threat faced by an ever-expanding digital environment, 

the threat posed by nation-states like Russia, China, North Korea, 

and Iran, the threat of terrorist groups who continue to threaten 

the United States and her interests, or simply the pace of change 

that demands we move ever faster. 

The intelligence community is challenged every day to deliver 

and at its best we provide decision-makers with the advantage to 

meet these and all threats and identify the opportunities to act before events dictate. 

I’m incredibly proud to be considered for this position at exactly 

this moment. I feel that perhaps my broad experience, my love of 

a good challenge and my reputation for finding new solutions, my 

penchant for rolling up my sleeves and getting to work, and my understanding that the only way we get things done is through our 

people and with them will be useful. 

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It may seem surprising to some that a career Central Intelligence Agency officer would extol the virtues of the Office of the 

Director of National Intelligence. But I believe it performs a vital 

role in ensuring that the Nation always has access to the best intelligence, delivered at exactly the right time. 

The intelligence community best serves the Nation when we 

work together, and leveraging the work of the community and integrating it at its highest level is exactly where the ODNI is meant 

to perform. 

When Director Coats appeared before you he described the role 

of the DNI as a head coach, and I think that’s an apt analogy. So 

let me briefly share my view of the role of the assistant coach, the 

principal deputy, and to offer some perspective on what I would 

bring to the job if confirmed. 

The first role is integration, work well begun by my predecessor, 

but no less a focus today. It is necessary, but not sufficient, that 

each organization delivers excellence in its responsibility and craft. 

But we must also be able to share that work appropriately, in a 

seamless, timely fashion, so that the community and consequently 

the Nation, benefits from the collective. 

My more than two decades of service at the CIA across various 

disciplines—analysis, technology, operations and support—and my 

last two years as deputy director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency have allowed me to see the strengths of various disciplines and organizations and the power of using them together. 

I understand different risk equations. I see how tactical military 

requirements both differ from and complement strategic intelligence, and I know how to find common ways forward. 

My second role is to support innovation. The community not only 

has delivered great capability to the Nation, but what it brings to 

bear today is the best I’ve ever seen. And yet it is not enough. We 

cannot stand still, lest we lose our advantage; and we must improve at an increasing rate, because the world is turning ever faster and global connectedness is transforming our advantage from 

being grounded simply in technology, but more in its clever use. 

If confirmed, I will help create the impetus and the room for this 

to happen, and I will look forward to this Committee helping in 

this necessary quest. 

Somewhere along the way I’ve become comfortable with leading 

change, sometimes big change, like asking a group of private citizens to form a company like In-Q-Tel; sometimes smaller change, 

like changing the support model of how we provide facilities, finance, and security worldwide so it can be more effectively and efficiently delivered; and sometimes simply changing perspective that 

allows geospatial intelligence to both benefit from and provide benefit to work going on in the open. 

I know that if you focus on maintaining relevance rather than 

simply preserving the status quo, you can always find your way. 

The third role and my favorite is leading the women and men of 

the intelligence community in creating the environment in which 

they can thrive. I’ve had the joy of leading thousands of incredible 

intelligence professionals, from those leading operations to those 

inventing our future to those who support mission execution. 

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Our people are our greatest asset, our base of talent, and the real 

answer to what we need. Our future is bright because more and 

more, better and better, continue to arrive at our door and ask to 

serve. 

If I’m confirmed as the PDDNI, I intend to be their champion, 

ensuring they have the opportunities, tools and support they need 

to continue the great work of this Nation. And I will advance diversity and inclusion, not simply because it is decent, but because I 

know that, in order for us to deliver our best, we must create an 

environment where everyone can bring their best, truest selves to 

the task at hand. 

I’ve been an LGBTQ ally and champion for years and the experience has let me see the magic that happens when people of all 

races, religions, sexual orientation and experiences receive our support. 

In closing, I’d like to thank the Committee again for your consideration of my nomination. If confirmed, I intend to work with all 

of you with clarity, candor and energy to make sure that the IC has 

the support it needs to tackle whatever the opposing teams bring 

our way; that the ODNI is focused only on its primary mission and 

we deliver on that mission effectively and efficiently; and that the 

Congress has the information needed to conduct necessary oversight responsibilities. 

I’m proud to be here, to represent the women and men of the intelligence community and to work alongside Director Coats to lead 

us. This is a humbling experience and I’m grateful for the opportunity, and I look forward to your questions. 

Thank you. 

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Statement for the Record 

Ms. Susan M. Gordon 

Nominee for the Position of 

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Introduction 

Chainnan Burr, Vice Chainnan Warner, Members of the Committee- I am honored to 

appear before you as the nominee for the position of Principal Deputy Director of National 

Intelligence. 

I'd like to begin by thanking the President for nominating me for this position, and 

Director Coats for his faith in my experience and passion to help him lead the Intelligence 

Community. 

Simply put, I love America. I love being here today as we do the nation's work as our 

founders envisioned. I never thought I'd say that I love being here to testify before the Senate, 

but I do. 

And as a career intelligence officer, this opportunity to lead the women and men of the 

world's finest intelligence enterprise in service of the nation at a time of great challenge is both 

humbling and exciting. 

We are who we began as. Today I am so pleased to be joined by my family-some by 

birth, some by choice-who helped bring me to this amazing moment. 

My mom and dad, who instilled in me a love of country, the drive to always do my best, 

and the responsibility to work for something bigger than yourself. 

My big brother and sister, who "allowed" me to live through childhood, and who keep 

me in line to this day. 

My husband, who has been the love of my life and best friend for-today-37 years. 

That he is also a career intelligence officer is just icing on the cake. 

My remarkable children and their spouses--two assistant district attorneys and two 

Marine Corps pilots-who have also chosen to serve their tum for their country. 

And my Duke Basketball teammates who taught me how to be depended upon, and how 

to depend on others. 

And finally, to my Intelligence Community colleagues, who are the real heroes in my 

story. I would never have gotten here without their drive and support. 

Thank you all for standing with me today, as you always have. 

The Job 

These are interesting times as the nation faces a wide variety of threats and challenges to 

its security. Whether it is the cyber threat faced by an ever-expanding digital environment, the 

threat posed by nation states like China, North Korea, Russia, or Iran, or the threat of terrorist 

groups who continue to target the United States ... the Intelligence Community is challenged each 

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day to be our best. And at its best, intelligence provides decision-makers with an advantage to 

meet these and all threats, and in identifying opportunities to act before events dictate. 

I am incredibly proud to be considered for this position of great responsibility at exactly 

this moment. I feel that, perhaps, my broad base of experience, my love of a good challenge and 

reputation for finding new solutions, my penchant for rolling up my sleeves and getting to work, 

and my recognition that the only way we get things done is through and with our people, will be 

useful. 

It may seem surprising for a career Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer to extol the 

virtues of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), but I believe it performs a 

vital role in insuring that the nation always has access to the best intelligence delivered at exactly 

the right moment. 

The Intelligence Community is at its best, and best serves the nation, when we work 

together. Leveraging the work of the Community and integrating it at the highest level is exactly 

where the ODNI is meant to have effect. 

When Director Coats appeared before you, he described the role of the DNI as a "head 

coach" for the Intelligence Community. I agree this is an apt analogy. 

So let me share my view of the role of the "assistant coach"-the Principal Deputy-and 

to offer some perspective on what I would bring to the job, if confirmed. 

The first is integration-work well begun by my predecessor, but no less important a 

focus today. It is necessary, but not sufficient, that each organization delivers excellence in its 

responsibility and craft. We must also be able to share that work, appropriately, in a seamless, 

timely fashion so that the Community and, consequently, the nation benefits from the collective. 

My more than two decades of service across the various disciplines ofthe CIA-analysis, 

technology, operations, and support-and my last two years as the Deputy Director of the 

National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (a combat support agency in addition to an intelligence 

organization) have allowed me to see the strength of our various disciplines and organizations, 

and the power of using them together. I understand different risk equations, I see how tactical 

military requirements both differ and complement national strategic requirements, and I know 

how to find common ways forward. 

The second is innovation. The Community not only has delivered great capability to this 

nation, but what it brings to bear today is the best I've ever seen. And yet it is not enough. We 

cannot stand still, lest we lose our advantage. And we must improve at an increasing rate 

because the world is turning ever faster, and global connectedness is transforming our advantage 

from being grounded in technology to being grounded in how we use it, sometimes in uniquely 

clever ways. If confirmed, I will help create the impetus and the room for this to happen, and I 

will look for this Committee to help in this necessary quest. 

Somewhere along the way in my career, I became comfortable with leading change. 

Sometimes big change, like asking a group of private citizens to help us find a new way to 

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provide access to the energy and innovation happening in Silicon Valley that became In-Q-Tel. 

Sometimes smaller change, like changing the support model so that facilities, logistics, and 

finance could be more effectively and efficiently delivered worldwide. And sometimes simply a 

change in perspective, that allows geospatial intelligence to both benefit from, and provide 

benefit to, work going on in the open and with different partners. I know that if you focus on 

maintaining relevance rather than the status quo, you can always find your way. 

The third, and my favorite, is leading the women and men of the Intelligence Community 

and creating the environment and the opportunity for them to thrive. They are our greatest asset, 

our base of talent, and the real answer to what we need. They are where our best analysis, our 

most creative solutions, and the source from which our most inspiring innovations come. If 

confirmed, you will be hearing a lot from me on what we, together, can do for them. 

I've had the joy of leading thousands of incredible intelligence professionals-from those 

leading operations, to those inventing our future, to those who support mission execution. Our 

people are the finest and most dedicated I have ever seen, and our future is bright because more 

continue to come and seek to serve, every day. 

If I am confirmed as PDDNI, I intend to be their champion-ensuring they have the 

opportunities, tools, and support they need to continue the great work of this Nation. And, I will 

advance diversity and inclusion, not simply because it is decent, but because I know that in order 

for the IC to deliver its best, we must create the environment where everyone can bring their 

best, truest selves to the task at hand. I have been an LGBTQ champion and ally for years, and 

the experience has let me see the magic that happens when people of all races, religions, sexual 

orientations, and experiences receive our support. 

Conclusion 

In closing, I'd like to thank the Committee again for your consideration of my 

nomination. 

If confirmed, I intend to work with all of you to ensure that the IC has the support it 

needs to tackle whatever the opposing teams bring our way; that the ODNI is focused only on its 

primary mission and we deliver on that mission effectively and efficiently; and that Congress has 

the information needed to conduct its necessary oversight responsibilities. 

In my discussions with many of you prior to today's hearing, you have asked how you 

can be helpful. If confirmed, I will seek your support for the women and men of the IC, as well 

as the critical operations and efforts they undertake on behalf of the nation. 

I am proud to represent the women and men of the IC, and work alongside Director Coats 

to lead a Community that has never been more vital to national security than it is today. This is 

truly a humbling experience, and if confirmed, I will work every day to be worthy of this 

opportunity and your support. 

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Vice Chairman WARNER [presiding]. I believe Senator King will 

go first. 

Senator KING. I appreciate it. 

Perhaps you could ask the IC if they could design a way we could 

do our hearings here without conflicts. Both Senator Heinrich and 

I have bills before another Committee that we have to go and—— 

Ms. GORDON. Then I will be clear and direct. 

Senator KING. Thank you. I appreciate that. 

First, I just want to emphasize, number one, how pleased I am 

that you’re undertaking this position, given your history and background. And I think, as you testified, you come at a particularly 

important moment. The threats are varied and vast, complex. 

You’re joining Director Coats, who all of us know well, and who is 

extremely able and thoughtful, but does not have the deep background in the IC that you have. And I think you’ll make an extraordinary team. 

My one question of concern is at the beginning of the new Administration there was a lot of talk about perhaps abolishing the 

Office of the Director of National Intelligence. A fellow named 

Steve Feinberg was assigned to look into it. 

So my first question is, how do you feel as an intelligence professional about the role of this office? And, secondly, have you met 

with Mr. Feinberg? Has he—have you had any exchanges with 

him? Do you know whether he’s met with Mr. Coats? Where does 

that question stand? 

So first question is your views on the role of this, not your position necessarily, but the ODNI generally? And then, secondly, 

where this analysis stands. 

Ms. GORDON. Thank you, Senator King, for your question. I see 

the role of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence pretty 

simply, as I stated. It’s to make sure that we always deliver the 

best intelligence that all the members of the community have to 

offer at the right time, unbiased, brought together at the moment 

of decision so that we can make it. 

Senator KING. Given the fact that there are 16 agencies, do you 

think it’s necessary to have such an institution like the ODNI, 

which was created as I understand it after September 11th, because of the problem of lack of communication between the agencies? 

Ms. GORDON. As a CIA officer, I think, when it was formed I 

couldn’t imagine why we needed something. Heck, we were the 

Central Intelligence Agency; how could you need anything more 

than that? That was formed, interestingly, with kind of the same 

premise of bringing other intelligence together. 

As I look at it now, the integrative functions that the ODNI provides, particularly over time, have been remarkable in bringing us 

together in ways that we couldn’t have. And I’ll just cite one example of—the FBI at the same table, from an intelligence perspective, 

has allowed us to tackle some of our most difficult threats because 

we have the mechanisms to bring them together. DHS similarly. 

As we look at cyber threats, if we aren’t partners with those organizations as well and have the ability to have them in the same 

room—but you need an organization to drive this to happen. And 

you don’t want different types of intelligence to be subordinate to 

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any one opinion of what the right thing is. And I think that is the 

right, proper, just role. And then there are things that we do to ensure that that happens. 

What I think everyone has been concerned about is, have we 

grown too big? Do you over time suck up too many other responsibilities, exceed your brief? Director Coats is committed to looking 

at it. I think he has suggested to me that that will be a special opportunity I have, to lead that look. 

But do I believe we need it in order to make sure that we can 

integrate the best we have and deliver it, rather than putting a 

bunch of data on people’s desks—but rather, give the best chance? 

I think so. 

To your second question, sir, about any presidential review that 

might or might not happen, I don’t believe that that has taken 

shape yet. I’m a career intelligence officer. I believe that scrutiny 

is a good thing. If that were to come to bear—— 

Senator KING. That’s what you do—that’s what you do for a living. 

Ms. GORDON. It is, right. And you have to be comfortable with 

it. It’s not always pleasant, but it is what makes us better, whether 

it is program reviews or audit or IG inspectors, Congressional oversight, or just questioning that the American people have of us. 

Senator KING. You haven’t met with Mr. Feinberg? Or have you? 

Ms. GORDON. I have, briefly, before I was nominated, as he was 

talking to members of the intelligence community. But I don’t believe that that has been resolved yet. If it happens, we’ll absolutely 

work with him, because we share a quest. But I don’t have any 

sense of whether or how it will shape. And so any comment I might 

have would be premature. 

Senator KING. Thank you. Thank you very much, and—— 

Ms. GORDON. Thank you, Senator. 

Senator KING [continuing]. Thank you again for your willingness 

to serve. 

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

Chairman BURR. Vice Chairman. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Two or three quick questions. One, you 

know, obviously this Committee’s very engaged and involved in the 

investigation into Russian meddling in our 2016 elections. Should 

you be confirmed, we’d want your commitment that you will work 

with this Committee as we need documents or other information. 

Ms. GORDON. Director Coats, I think, has been very clear in his 

support, and I absolutely support that. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Excellent. 

One of the areas that we discussed—a little nerdy but terribly 

important—and that’s the IT backbone for the whole intelligence 

community. IC ITE was something that Director Clapper was a 

huge advocate of. It’s our hope that you’ll take on that responsibility and see that mission through to its completion. Comments? 

Ms. GORDON. Yeah. I don’t see how we get to our future if we 

don’t complete the work of IT modernization to make sure we have 

the infrastructure that allows us to take advantage of technologies 

that are appearing that are useful, and doing so in a secure, managed fashion across all our organizations. There is nothing diminished about that imperative. 

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I do think that there are—there’s work we need to do to increase 

the rate of adoption, because we have answers we need to provide 

and partners and customers we need to reach when this is in place. 

So not only will you have my commitment to continue it, but I 

will look forward to coming back to this Committee and talk about 

how we might advance it at even a greater rate. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Well, this will be the ultimate lay-up 

question. You—— 

Ms. GORDON. Yes, Duke women’s basketball will win the national 

championship. 

[Laughter.] 

Vice Chairman WARNER. My father, who’s a UConn women’s basketball fan, might disagree. 

But, obviously you’ve been a champion at NGA in terms of smaller sats and commercial use. One of the things I want to give public 

accolades to the Chairman, he’s really become a huge believer, particularly as we try to get our requirements done in a much faster 

way, move in a much more aggressive way. 

Stephanie O’Sullivan carried on a lot of that champion role when 

she fulfilled the principal deputy’s role. My hope would be that you 

would continue to be that advocate. Do you want to speak to that 

briefly? 

Ms. GORDON. I will. I’ve gone on the record many times saying 

that one of our greatest competitors is simply time, and that’s because intelligence is about advantage and you just have to keep up 

to continue to provide advantage. 

For as great as our intelligence collection capabilities are—and 

they are stunning, eye-watering, and we deliver great security to 

this Nation—you just can’t stand still. And if you’re not excited 

about what’s happening in the private sector and the opportunity 

that affords for us to not only provide additive capability, but imagine how we can do things differently, you’re just not thinking. 

You will have my commitment to continue to push that, even as 

we both recognize that the confidence, availability, and reliability 

of the data that those things connect is always something that we’ll 

have to balance the speed with which we might pursue things. But 

you and I will be absolutely pushing on that same rope together. 

Vice Chairman WARNER. Well, now that the minority has given 

you totally lay-up questions, I’ll turn the floor back over to the 

Chairman. 

[Laughter.] 

Ms. GORDON. But Wake Forest might do well, too. 

[Laughter.] 

Chairman BURR. I’ve never known Warner to suck up quite as 

much as he just did. 

[Laughter.] 

Sue, you referenced yourself to Dan’s assistant coach. Let me just 

remind you, they don’t know anything about college sports in Indiana. 

[Laughter.] 

Listen, a few questions: Where do you see the most opportunity 

to innovate within the intelligence community? 

Ms. GORDON. One easy answer: This is a data world, not a world 

of data scarcity, but data abundance. It’s what intelligence is. The 

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data that are available just should make us drool with excitement, 

but only if we can command it in a way that is not the manual 

processes that have dominated our past. 

So to me artificial intelligence, automation, augmentation, those 

things that allow us to look at data and be able to turn it from 

noise into some signal that then our analysts can look at and advance is probably where, not only is it the greatest opportunity because of what is going on in the private sector for the exact same 

reason, but also our greatest need. 

There are just no ways for us to continue to understand all that 

we have available to us if we don’t advance in these technologies. 

So I think that’s really the one. 

The more surprising answer might be that I think innovation in 

business processes—the world has turned so much that the ways 

in which we do things are driven by what we constructed at a time 

that is some time past. So looking at our business processes, our 

policies, the way in which we move things, move people, consider 

security, I think are all the things in which we can innovate in 

order to achieve the same objective that you already talked about, 

which is speed and efficiency. 

So those two areas I think are great, but it’s in all. It’s in all, 

and how we think about training our officers and about how we 

move them, about how we consider classification. This is a great 

moment, because the need is so sure and the opportunities provided by that which is available should allow us to find some great 

solution, if we just have the will and time. 

Chairman BURR. I agree with you, and I think the Committee 

does, on data. I will share with you one concern that I have. When 

we came off of September the 11th, the buzzword then was ‘‘analytics.’’ We’ve got to get more analysts. And we created analysts in 

every inch of the whole of government. And I’ve questioned for the 

past number of years whether we’ve got tremendous duplication. 

As I look at the ability to manage and utilize big data, I begin 

to see different streams of funding from different agencies. I think 

it’s important from an ODNI standpoint that, at least through the 

IC community, that there be a coordinated approach to it where we 

don’t look back in hindsight and say, ‘‘We had different agencies 

duplicating the work,’’ and that that’s something that you will take 

on as a primary role, to make sure that all of the efforts complement themselves. 

And I know you’re—as you leave NGA, you leave at a time where 

I think there’s a proposal on the table for a very unique approach—— 

Ms. GORDON. Yes. 

Chairman BURR [continuing]. To leveraging data that is available 

and open for individuals that need data to build their base, and 

maybe a trade-off of them sharing their algorithms with NGA. So 

it’s a fascinating approach that I think I want to talk to you offline, 

not just about that, but how we take In-Q-Tel and is there an additional role for In-Q-Tel to play in the whole of government. And as 

Mark and I have talked several times, we have no technology clearinghouse within the whole of government. 

Ms. GORDON. Right. 

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Chairman BURR. Every agency considers that they’ve got their 

own IT people to do that. I’m hard-pressed to find anything that 

government does well, and I’m being serious when I say that, in 

business practice. 

Ms. GORDON. If you’ll allow, I—that’s what I was alluding to in 

terms of our business processes. I think public-private partnership 

is something that the intelligence community has done exceptionally well over its history. 

As a matter of fact, I’m old, so I’ve seen a lot, and I can tell you 

I can’t think of any of the accomplishments of my career that I 

have seen that haven’t been done without a partner from the private sector. We’ve done it differently over time. Around World War 

II we formed FFRDCs, where we brought in talent and held it essentially for government use, in a special place so that it was available to us. 

In the seventies, it was going to a company and forming Skunk 

Works, so that we could do something remarkable that then the 

U.S. government would have unique advantage. 

In the nineties, with In-Q-Tel, we were like, ‘‘well, that model 

isn’t going to work for the government to hold the innovation.’’ And 

I think we now need to continue to look for ways that we solve the 

value proposition of both ends in order to advance us. 

But this moment, because of what is so openly available, we 

should be able to do it, but I agree with you we should do it in an 

organized fashion. There are times when a thousand flowers should 

bloom, when you have great uncertainty. There are other times 

when you know you need to advance that you should do so in a 

purposeful fashion and to husband your resources, and I think 

that’s a great example of what the ODNI can provide value for. 

Chairman BURR. I’m going to approach the conversation on IC 

ITE a little bit different than Mark did. 

Ms. GORDON. Okay. 

Chairman BURR. In our conversation, I told you I was charging 

you—— 

Ms. GORDON. Yes. 

Chairman BURR [continuing]. Personally with making sure that 

this was implemented and that you shared with us any process 

hurdles that are in the way or funding limitations, that we could 

clear the brush to allow this to become reality. So I hold—— 

Ms. GORDON. I so commit. 

Chairman BURR [continuing]. I hold you to it. 

One other area, just for any comments that you might have. The 

community is plagued with leaks right now. I would say the Committee has had a rash of problems that we haven’t experienced in 

the past. And from a Committee to the IC community, I think the 

integrity of this Committee’s—of how we handle things is absolutely vital to the willingness to share information with us. 

By the same standpoint, when we see, as Senator Feinstein alluded to in the last panel, three significant breaches from the NSA, 

that brings great concern and consternation to the Committee, and 

I know it does to the whole IC community. 

Do you commit to us, from a standpoint of the ODNI’s efforts, to 

try to get into this leak problem and figure out how we plug this? 

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Ms. GORDON. Senator, I believe that unauthorized disclosures of 

classified information are always damaging. There are so many 

processes by which we can serve the American people transparently through oversight that leaks, people deciding to go their 

own way, are not in this Nation’s interests. And we will be a good 

partner with you on addressing that issue. 

Chairman BURR. Thank you. I know the Vice Chairman and I 

would love to get with you at some point, once you’ve got your sea 

legs there, to talk about some concepts that we have for the whole 

of government that minimize the potential for tools that are used 

today. 

And I find it odd, but I’m not surprised, that I think this Committee is probably more esteemed in technology, current technology, than any Committee on Capitol Hill, not because we’re jurisdictionally there, but because it’s that same technology that presents us the greatest threat around the corner. So we’ve had to— 

we’ve had to spend a lot of time learning it. 

Ms. GORDON. I do think there—I look forward to, when I have 

my sea legs at the end of next week—— 

[Laughter.] 

Coming to see you. But seriously, I think it’s a problem, but I 

think there are a number of things going on that offer great potential, and we’ve talked about it before. 

You know, cloud computing is sometimes such a buzzword, but 

there is great security potential in that advance; continuous evaluation, looking at our employees, looking at some of the insider 

threat work that’s going on. 

I think there are a number of good things, from technological solutions, to policy solutions, that should give us increasing advantage over this. But I look forward to coming and speaking with you, 

hearing your ideas and then advancing those. 

Chairman BURR. Great. Thank you very much. 

Seeing no additional members that are here to ask you the tough 

questions that Senator Warner didn’t, let me once again—— 

[Laughter.] 

Ms. GORDON. I’m so disappointed, sir. 

Chairman BURR [continuing]. Let me once again thank you. I 

thank your family for their service to the country, and can tell you 

personally that we are just absolutely thrilled to have you in this 

new role. It’s my expectation that we will move your confirmation 

as quickly as we possibly can and that Dan will have a committed 

assistant coach there. 

This hearing’s now adjourned. 

[Whereupon, at 10:34 a.m., the hearing was adjourned.] 

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PART A- BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION 

I. FULL NAME: Robert Phillip Storch 

OTHER NAMES USED: 

2. DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH: Jacksonville, Florida 

CITIZENSHIP: USA 

3. MARITAL STATUS: Married 

4. SPOUSE'S NAME: Sara Matilthe Lord 

5. SPOUSE'S MAIDEN NAME IF APPLICABLE: N/A 

6. NAMES AND AGES OF CHILDREN: 

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LOCATION, AND DATES OF EMPLOYMENT). [Most recent positions listed for each employer] 

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Criminal Division, Public Integrity 

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District of Florida (USAOIMDFL) 

Covington and Burling Litigation Associate Washington, DC Sep1ember 1986 Aprill987 

U.S. District Judge William D. Law Clerk Los Angeles, CA September 1985 August 1986 

Keller, Central District of California 

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ACQUIRED HAVING SERVED IN THE POSITIONS DESCRIBED IN QUESTIONS 8 AND/OR 9. 

At the DOJ O!G, I have been involved in the review of a number of reports related to the exercise of 

intelligence and national security authorities, particularly by the DOJ National Security Division and the Federal 

Bureau of Investigation, as well as reports related to coordination by DOJ and the FBI with other components of the 

intelligence community in various contexts. I also have participated as Deputy Inspector General in the Deputies 

meetings of the IC IG Forum relating to cross-cutting issues across the OIGs in the intelligence community, and 

attended the annuaiiC IG Conferences, and 1 have provided advice to the DNI regarding PPD-19 whistleblower 

training required by the White House's Third National Action Plan for Open Government. Previously, as an 

Assistant United States Attorney, I served as the Northern District of New York's initial Anti-Terrorism 

Coordinator, working with law enforcement and intelligence components of the FBI and other agencies as we stood 

up our program in the aftermath of the September II attacks. 

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Graduated magna cum laude with a double major in History and Government 

Harvard College Scholar 

Columbia University School of Law 

Harlan Fiske Stone Scholar (all three years) 

Lawrence We in Scholar for the Eleventh Circuit 

Class of 1912 Prize in Contracts 

President, Columbia Law School Student Senate 

U.S. Attorney's Office, MDFL 

Commendation from DOJ Criminal Division AAG Mueller for work on Jacksonville Public Corruption 

Task Force 

Commendation from FBI Director Sessions for work on multi-state bombing investigation 

Public Integrity Section 

Commendation from FBI Director Sessions for Arkansas election fraud prosecutions 

DOJ Special Achievement Award 

U.S. Attorney's Office, NDNY 

Commendation from FBI Director Mueller for career contributions 

Commendation from U.S. Attorney for work as Appellate Chief and Senior Litigation Counsel 

Commendation for U.S. Attorney for work as District's first Anti-Terrorism Coordinator 

Legal Evaluator in the DOJ Evaluation and Review Staff 

Arson Prosecutor of the Year, New York State Fire Investigators Association 

Commendation from DOJ Civil Rights Division AAG Patrick for work on prison beating case 

Various case related commendations, including from the U.S. Department of the Interior 010, the Federal 

Bureau of Prisons, the U.S. Department of Transportation OIG, and the U.S. Department of Labor OIG 

Department of Justice OIG 

OIG Whistleblower Ombudsperson, and Founder and Chair of Council of the Inspectors General on 

Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE) Whistleblower Ombudsman Working Group 

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PUBLICATION DATES OF ANY BOOKS, ARTICLES, REPORTS, OR OTHER PUBLISHED 

MATERIALS YOU HAVE AUTHORED. ALSO LIST ANY PUBLIC SPEECHES OR REMARKS YOU 

HAVE MADE WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS FOR WHICH THERE IS A TEXT, TRANSCRIPT, OR 

VIDEO). IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF EACH REQUESTED PUBLICATION, TEXT, 

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Training Video entitled "Reporting Wrongdoing: DOJ OIG Website October 13,2013 

Whistleblowers and their Rights and Protections" 

(available online at 

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Panelist discussing the DOJ OIG Whistleblower OGE National Government September 23, 20 14 

Ombudsperson Program and the CIGIE Whistleblower Ethics Summit 

Ombudsman Working Group (available online at 

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report on DEA 's Management of its Confidential Sources 

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Testimony regarding DIG's Oversight of the Public Safety Senate Judiciary Committee April26, 2016 

Officers' Benefit (PSOB) Program (available online at 

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Discussion of the DOJ OIG Whistleblower Ombudsperson Panel discussion at initial July 22, 20 16 

Program and the ClGIE Whistleblower Ombudsman meeting of the bi-partisan 

Working Group (no written or prepared remarks House Whistleblower 

submitted) Caucus, Rayburn HOB 

Podcast discussing the DIG's report on the National DOJ OIG Website September 7, 2016 

Security Division's Enforcement and Administration of 

the Foreign Agents Registration Act (available online at 

h!!ll§://Qig.justice.gov/multimedial!lodcast-02-07-

16.htm#too) 

Update on the work of the CIGIE Whistleblower CIGIE Meeting November 15, 2016 

Ombudsman Working Group (no written or prepared 

remarks submitted) 
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Appeared at request of the U.S. Embassy, Department of Kyiv, Ukraine December 21, 20 16 

State and DOJ in open session before the Rada Committee 

on Combating Organized Crime and Corruption with 

regard to the selection of the independent commission to 

audit the work of the National Anticorruption Bureau of 

Ukraine (no written or prepared remarks submitted) 

Five Years Later: A Review of the Whistleblower House Committee on February I, 2017 

Protection Enhancement Act (available online at Oversight and Government 

hnns://oig.justic~.gov/testimony/t 11020 I !!-QdO Reform, Subcommittee on 

Government Operations 

Panelist at DC Bar Labor and Employment Law Section DC Bar Apri14, 2017 

program on "Whistleblower Rights, Protections, and 

Challenges" (no written or prepared remarks submitted) 

Video discussing the OlG's audit of the United States DOJ OlG Website April25, 2017 

Marshals Service Contract with CoreCivic, Inc. to Operate 

the Leavenworth Detention Center, Leavenworth, Kansas 

(available online at 

hnns://oig.justice.gov/myltim~dia/video-Q4-25-

I 7 .htm#too \ 

Podcast discussing the OIG's report on the DOJ Civil DOJ 010 Website June I, 2017 

Division's Handling of Sexual Harassment and 

Misconduct Allegations (available online at 

httgs:l /Qig. justjc~. gov/mu ltimedia/llodcast-06-0 1-

17.htm#toQ) 

Panelist on FEDTalk program on Federal News Radio Federal News Radio June 16,2017 

discussing Whistleblower Programs and Enhancements 

(available online at 

hnns://cu§tQm.f~dernlnew§radio.com/interviewsshows/fedtalk-enhancements-and-whi§tleblowerllfQg_ram ... s.) 

Appeared at request of the U.S. Embassy, Department of By Skype from Washington, May 24,2017 

State and DOJ by Skype in open session before the DC 

Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine with regard to the 

selection of the independent commission to audit the work 

of the National Anticorruption Bureau of Ukraine (no 

written or prepared remarks submitted) 

PART B- QUALIFICATIONS 

14. QUALIFICATIONS (DESCRIBE WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO SERVE AS THE 

INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY). 

I have had the privilege and opportunity over the past five years to serve in the senior leadership of the 

Department of Justice Office ofthe Inspector General, spending over half that time as the Deputy Inspector General. 

In that capacity, I have had the opportunity to work closely with and learn on a daily basis from our highly respected 

and extraordinarily talented Inspector General in directing the work of our office overseeing the varied operations of 

the Department of Justice. This has included significant oversight work regarding the intelligence activities of the 

DOJ, particularly by the National Security Division and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as well as their 

interaction with other components of the intelligence community. I also have participated in the Deputies (DIG) 

meetings and other functions of the IC IG Forum, giving me a window on cross-cutting issues faced by the 

Intelligence Community and their OIGs. Here at DOJ, I have developed substantial experience and practical 

understanding regarding the operations oflhe Office of the Inspector General in handling sensitive and complex 

matters of substantial public interest and importance, and in working independently to ensure the integrity and 

efficiency of the Department's myriad operations with appropriate reporting to the head of the agency and to 
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Congress, all of which I believe would be of assistance in serving at the first Presidentially appointed Senate 

confirmed IG at the NSA. 

At DOJ OIG, I also founded and continue to lead our Whistleblower Ombudsperson Program, and I have 

served as chair since its inception of the Whistleblower Ombudsman Working Group of the Council of the 

Inspectors General for Integrity and Efficiency. In these capacities, I have led efforts across the O!G community, 

and partnered in various efforts with the bipartisan Senate and House Whistleblower Caucuses, to ensure that 

whistleblowers are recognized for the critical role they play in bringing forward information about possible 

wrongdoing, and that they are educated regarding their rights and protections from reprisal for performing this 

important public service. This extensive body of work on whistle blower issues has provided me with perspectives 

and priorities that I believe would be of great value should I be confirmed as the Inspector General at the NSA. 

Prior to joining the DOJ OIG, I worked for more than two dozen years as a federal prosecutor, handling a wide 

range of complex criminal cases in two U.S. Attorney's Offices and at the Public Integrity Section of the DOJ 

Criminal Division, working on behalf of DOJ to help develop anti-corruption mechanisms overseas, and serving as 

the first Anti-Terrorism Coordinator for the Northern District of New York. In the latter capacity, I worked closely 

with criminal and intelligence components of the FBI and other agencies in helping to organize and direct antiterrorism efforts in the District following the September II attacks. My background as a career prosecutor gives me 

what I have found to be a valuable perspective on handling complex issues and a focus on reaching results that are 

demonstrable provable and understandable- making them, in the context of the work of the OIG, more valuable to 

the agency and to Congress. I believe that this background has served me well as part of the senior leadership team 

at the DOJ OIG, and that it similarly would be of great assistance should 1 be confirmed as the NSA I G. 

As described above, at different times during the course of my career at DOJ, I have had the opportunity to 

interact in various ways with the intelligence community, but I am not a product of it. As a result of this background 

and experience, I have both tremendous respect for the importance of the work performed by our intelligence 

community and an understanding of the critical role played by independent and effective oversight in ensuring the 

integrity and efficiency of those efforts. This gives me a perspective that I believe would be very valuable in serving 

as the Inspector General at the National Security Agency, should I be confirmed for that position. 

PART C ·POLITICAL AND FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS 

15. POLITICAL ACTIVITIES (LIST ANY MEMBERSHIPS OR OFFICES HELD IN OR FINANCIAL 

CONTRIBUTIONS OR SERVICES RENDERED TO, ANY POLITICAL PARTY, ELECTION 

COMMITTEE, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE, OR INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE DURING THE 

LAST TEN YEARS). 

No memberships, offices held, or services rendered; financial contributions: 2012- Obama for America, 

$250; 2008 - DNC, $250, Obama Victory Fund, $250, Obama for America, $500. 

16. CANDIDACY FOR PUBLIC OFFICE (FURNISH DETAILS OF ANY CANDIDACY FOR ELECTIVE 

PUBLIC OFFICE). 

None 

17. FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS 

(NOTE: QUESTIONS 17 A AND BARE NOT LIMITED TO RELATIONSHIPS REQUIRING REGISTRA T!ON 

UNDER THE FOREIGN AGENTS REGISTRATION ACT. QUESTIONS J7A, B, ANDC DO NOT CALL FOR 

A POSITIVE RESPONSE IF THE REPRESENTATION OR TRANSACTION WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE 

UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR OR YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT 

IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE.) 
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A. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVER REPRESENTED IN ANY CAPACITY (E.G. EMPLOYEE, 

ATTORNEY, OR POLITICAUBUSINESS CONSULTANT), WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, 

A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENTITY CONTROLLED BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF 

SO, PLEASE FULLY DESCRIBE SUCH RELATIONSHIP. 

No 

B. HAVE ANY OF YOUR OR YOUR SPOUSE'S ASSOCIATES REPRESENTED, IN ANY CAPACITY, 

WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENTITY 

CONTROLLED BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE FULLY DESCRIBE SUCH 

RELATIONSHIP. 

During my work as an associate with Covington and Burling in 1986-87, and with Bond, Schoeneck and 

King in 1994-95, and as well as I can recall, as a summer associate during and immediately after law school 

in the summers of 1983, 1984, and 1985, I did not represent any foreign governments or entities that to my 

knowledge and belief were controlled by a foreign government. I have no knowledge as to whether any of 

these firms have engaged in such representation. 

My wife, who is a partner in the law firm of Arnall Golden Gregory, has informed me that she has not 

represented any foreign governments or entities controlled by a foreign government, other than a brief 

project earlier this year for a company controlled in part by an entity within the German government. At my 

request, she checked with the firm's headquarters and was informed that others in the firm represent entities 

that are owned, in whole or in part, by entities within the German government and the government of 

Northern Ireland, and previously represented a member of the Ukrainian legislature. 

C. DURING THE PAST TEN YEARS, HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE RECEIVED ANY 

COMPENSATION FROM, OR BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL OR BUSINESS 

TRANSACTIONS WITH, A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR ANY ENTITY CONTROLLED BY A 

FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

D. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVER REGISTERED UNDER THE FOREIGN AGENTS 

REGISTRATION ACT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

18. DESCRIBE ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITY DURING THE PAST TEN YEARS, OTHER THAN IN AN 

OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT CAPACITY, IN WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE ENGAGED 

FOR THE PURPOSE OF DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY INFLUENCING THE PASSAGE, DEFEAT, OR 

MODIFICATION OF FEDERAL LEGISLATION, OR FOR THE PURPOSE OF AFFECTING THE 

ADMINISTRATION AND EXECUTION OF FEDERAL LAW OR PUBLIC POLICY. 

None 
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PART D- FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST 

19. DESCRIBE ANY EMPLOYMENT, BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP, FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, 

INVESTMENT, ASSOCIATION, OR ACTIVITY (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DEALINGS 

WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON YOUR OWN BEHALF OR ON BEHALF OF A CLIENT), 

WHICH COULD CREATE, OR APPEAR TO CREATE, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE POSITION 

TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED. 

None 

20. DO YOU INTEND TO SEVER ALL BUSINESS CONNECTIONS WITH YOUR PRESENT EMPLOYERS, 

FIRMS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATES AND/OR PARTNERSHIPS, OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE 

EVENT THAT YOU ARE CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE? IF NOT, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

Yes 

21. DESCRIBE THE FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS YOU HAVE MADE OR PLAN TO MAKE, IF YOU 

ARE CONFIRMED, IN CONNECTION WITH SEVERANCE FROM YOUR CURRENT POSITION. 

PLEASE INCLUDE SEVERANCE PAY, PENSION RIGHTS, STOCK OPTIONS, DEFERRED INCOME 

ARRANGEMENTS, AND ANY AND ALL COMPENSATION THAT WILL OR MIGHT BE RECEIVED 

IN THE FUTURE AS A RESULT OF YOUR CURRENT BUSINESS OR PROFESSIONAL 

RELATIONSHIPS. 

NIA 

22. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS, COMMITMENTS, OR AGREEMENTS TO PURSUE OUTSIDE 

EMPLOYMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, DURING YOUR SERVICE WITH THE 

GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

23. AS FAR AS CAN BE FORESEEN, STATE YOUR PLANS AFTER COMPLETING GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE. PLEASE SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE ANY AGREEMENTS OR UNDERSTANDINGS, 

WRITTEN OR UNWRITTEN, CONCERNING EMPLOYMENT AFTER LEAVING GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE. IN PARTICULAR, DESCRIBE ANY AGREEMENTS, UNDERSTANDINGS, OR OPTIONS 

TO RETURN TO YOUR CURRENT POS!T!ON. 

I have no plans, agreements, or understandings regarding employment after leaving government service, and 

presently would intend to retire when my government employment has concluded. 

24. IF YOU ARE PRESENTLY IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE, DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS OF SUCH 

SERVICE, HAVE YOU RECEIVED FROM A PERSON OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT AN OFFER OR 

EXPRESSION OF INTEREST TO EMPLOY YOUR SERVICES AFTER YOU LEAVE GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE? IF YES, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

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25. IS YOUR SPOUSE EMPLOYED? IF YES AND THE NATURE OF THIS EMPLOYMENT IS 

RELATED IN ANY WAY TO THE POSITION FOR WHICH YOU ARE SEEKING CONFIRMATION, 

PLEASE INDICATE YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYER, THE POSITION, AND THE LENGTH OF TIME 

THE POSITION HAS BEEN HELD. IF YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT IS NOT RELATED TO 

THE POSITION TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED, PLEASE SO STATE. 

My spouse is employed, but her work is not related to the position for which I have been nominated. 

26. LIST BELOW ALL CORPORATIONS, PARTNERSHIPS, FOUNDATIONS, TRUSTS, OR OTHER 

ENTITIES TOWARD WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE FIDUCIARY OBLIGATIONS OR IN 

WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE HELD DIRECTORSHIPS OR OTHER POSITIONS OF TRUST 

DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 

NAME OF ENTITY POSITION SELF OR SPOUSE DATES HELD 

Family Trust# I Uncompensated Trustee Self 1/13 to present 

Family Trust #2 Uncompensated Trustee Self 1/13 to present 

Family Trust #3 Uncompensated Trustee Self 1/13 to present 

Family Trust #4 Uncompensated Trustee Self 1113 to present 

Family Trust #5 Uncompensated Trustee Self 1/13 to present 

27. LIST ALL GIFTS EXCEEDING $100 IN VALUE RECEIVED DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS BY 

YOU, YOUR SPOUSE, OR YOUR DEPENDENTS. (NOTE: GIFTS RECEIVED FROM RELATIVES 

AND GIFTS GIVEN TO YOUR SPOUSE OR DEPENDENT NEED NOT BE INCLUDED UNLESS THE 

GIFT WAS GIVEN WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND ACQUIESCENCE AND YOU HAD REASON TO 

BELIEVE THE GIFT WAS GIVEN BECAUSE OF YOUR OFFICIAL POSliJON.) 

Reimbursement of airfare for me to attend as a spouse for my wife's firm holiday functions in Atlanta, GA, in 

December 2013 ($374), December 2014 ($626), December 2015 ($461), and December 2016 ($315). 

28. LIST ALL SECURITIES, REAL PROPERTY, PARTNERSHIP INTERESTS, OR OTHER INVESTMENTS 

OR RECEIVABLES WITH A CURRENT MARKET VALUE (OR, IF MARKET VALUE IS NOT 

ASCERTAINABLE, ESTIMATED CURRENT FAIR VALUE) IN EXCESS OF $1,000. (NOTE: THE 

INFORMATION PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULE A OF THE DISCLOSURE FORMS OF THE 

OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS MAY BE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE, PROVIDED THAT 

CURRENT VALUATIONS ARE USED.) 

DESCRJPTION OF PROPERTY 

Interest in time share with Hilton 

Grand Vacations Club 

Approx. $23,000 

METHOD OF VALUATION 

Purchase Price 

29. LIST ALL LOANS OR OTHER INDEBTEDNESS (INCLUDING ANY CONTINGENT LIABILITIES) IN 

EXCESS OF $10,000. EXCLUDE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR PERSONAL RESIDENCE UNLESS IT IS 

RENTED OUT, AND LOANS SECURED BY AUTOMOBILES, HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE, OR 

APPLIANCES. (NOTE: THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULE C OF THE 

DlSCLOSURE FORM OF THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS MAY BE INCORPORATED BY 

REFERENCE, PROVIDED THAT CONTINGENT LIABILITIES ARE ALSO INCLUDED.) 
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NATURE OF OBLIGATION NAME OF OBLIGEE 

None 

30. ARE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE NOW IN DEFAULT ON ANY LOAN. DEBT, OR OTHER FINANCIAL 

OBLIGATION? HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE BEEN IN DEFAULT ON ANY LOAN, DEBT, OR 

OTHER FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS? HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE 

EVER BEEN REFUSED CREDIT OR HAD A LOAN APPLICATION DENIED? IF THE ANSWER TO 

ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS IS YES, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

31. LIST THE SPECIFIC SOURCES AND AMOUNTS OF ALL INCOME RECEIVED DURING THE LAST 

FIVE YEARS, INCLUDING ALL SALARIES, FEES, DIVIDENDS, INTEREST, GIFTS, RENTS, 

ROYALTIES, PATENTS, HONORARIA, AND OTHER ITEMS EXCEEDING $200. (COPIES OF U.S. 

INCOME TAX RETURNS FOR THESE YEARS MAY BE SUBSTITUTED HERE, BUT THEIR 

SUBMISSION IS NOT REQUIRED.) [Federal tax returns for 2012 through 2016 submitted herewith] 

2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 

SALARIES 

FEES 

ROYALTIES 

DIVIDENDS 

INTEREST 

GIFTS 

RENTS 

OTHER 

TOTAL 

32. IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE THE COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF YOUR AND YOUR SPOUSE'S 

FEDERAL INCOME TAX RETURNS FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS? 

Yes 

33. LIST ALL JURISDICTIONS IN WHICH YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE FILE ANNUAL INCOME TAX 

RETURNS. 

Federal 

District of Columbia 
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34. HAVE YOUR FEDERAL OR STATE TAX RETURNS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF AN AUDIT, 

INVESTIGATION, OR INQUIRY AT ANY TIME? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS, INCLUDING 

THE RESULT OF ANY SUCH PROCEEDING. 

No 

35. IF YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY, ACCOUNTANT, OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL, PLEASE LIST ALL 

CLIENTS AND CUSTOMERS WHOM YOU BILLED MORE THAN $200 WORTH OF SERVICES 

DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS. ALSO, LIST ALL JURISDICTIONS IN WHICH YOU ARE 

LICENSED TO PRACTICE. 

l have not billed any clients or customers during the past five years. I am licensed to practice in the State of 

New York, the District of Columbia (inactive), and the State of California (inactive). 

36. DO YOU INTEND TO PLACE YOUR FINANCIAL HOLDINGS AND THOSE OF YOUR SPOUSE AND 

DEPENDENT MEMBERS OF YOUR IMMEDIATE HOUSEHOLD IN A BLIND TRUST? IF YES, 

PLEASE FURNISH DETAILS. IF NO, DESCRIBE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS FOR A VOIDING ANY 

POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 

I do not intend to place any of my financial holdings or those of my spouse or dependent members of my 

immediate household in a blind trust. If an actual or apparent conflict of interest should arise, I will consult 

with the OlG General Counsel and the Designated Agency Ethics Official as appropriate, and take appropriate 

steps to mitigate or eliminate same. 

37. IF APPLICABLE, LIST THE LAST THREE YEARS OF ANNUAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORTS 

YOU HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO FILE WITH YOUR AGENCY, DEPARTMENT, OR BRANCH OF 

GOVERNMENT. IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF THESE REPORTS? 

l have filed an annual OGE-278 for the last three years. If asked, I will provide copies of these reports. 

PARTE- ETHICAL MATTERS 

38. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDING OR CITED FOR A 

BREACH OF ETHICS OR UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT BY, OR BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A 

COMPLAINT TO, ANY COURT, ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY, PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION, 

DISCIPLINARY COMMITTEE, OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL GROUP? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE 

DETAILS. 

In December 1993/early 1994, the DOJ Office of Professional Inquiry conducted a review following the 

dismissal of the initial indictment in a criminal case, which resulted in a finding of no misconduct. In 1987, 

the District of Columbia Bar dismissed a complaint filed by a prose plaintiff regarding civil discovery 

practices in a case on which I worked as an associate at Covington and Burling, also with a finding of no 

misconduct. 

39. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN INVESTIGATED, HELD, ARRESTED, OR CHARGED BY ANY FEDERAL, 

STATE, OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY FOR VIOLATION OF ANY FEDERAL 

STATE, COUNTY, OR MUNICIPAL LAW, REGULATION, OR ORDINANCE, OTHER THAN A MINOR 

TRAFFIC OFFENSE, OR NAMED AS A DEFENDANT OR OTHERWISE IN ANY INDICTMENT OR 

INFORMATION RELATING TO SUCH VIOLATION? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 
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40. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF OR ENTERED A PLEA OF GUlL TY OR NOLO 

CONTENDERE TO ANY CRIMINAL VIOLATION OTHER THAN A MINOR TRAFFIC OFFENSE? IF 

SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

41. ARE YOU PRESENTLY OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A PARTY IN INTEREST IN ANY 

ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY PROCEEDING OR CIVIL LITIGATION? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE 

DETAILS. 

No 

42. HAVE YOU BEEN INTERVIEWED OR ASKED TO SUPPLY ANY INFORMATION AS A WITNESS OR 

OTHERWISE IN CONNECTION WITH ANY CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION, FEDERAL, OR 

STATE AGENCY PROCEEDING, GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION, OR CRIMINAL OR CIVIL 

LITIGATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

43. HAS ANY BUSINESS OF WHICH YOU ARE OR WERE AN OFFICER, DIRECTOR, OR PARTNER 

BEEN A PARTY TO ANY ADMINISTRA T!VE AGENCY PROCEEDING OR CRIMINAL OR CIVIL . 

LITIGATION RELEVANT TO THE POSITION TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINA TED? IF SO, 

PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. (WITH RESPECT TO A BUSINESS OF WHICH YOU ARE OR WERE 

AN OFFICER, YOU NEED ONLY CONSIDER PROCEEDINGS AND LITIGATION THAT OCCURRED 

WHILE YOU WERE AN OFFICER OF THAT BUSINESS.) 

No 

44. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THE SUBJECT OF ANY INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATION? IF SO, 

PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

PART F -SECURITY INFORMATION 

45. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN DENIED ANY SECURITY CLEARANCE OR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED 

INFORMATION FOR ANY REASON? IF YES, PLEASE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL. 

No 

46. HAVE YOU BEEN REQUIRED TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH EXAM INA TlON FOR ANY SECURITY 

CLEARANCE OR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION? IF YES, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

Yes in February 2017, following my prior nomination for this position. 
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47. HAVE YOU EVER REFUSED TO SUBMIT TO A POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION? IF YES, PLEASE 

EXPLAIN. 

No 

PART G- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 

48. DESCRIBE IN YOUR OWN WORDS THE CONCEPT OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF U.S. 

INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES. IN PARTICULAR, CHARACTERIZE WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE 

THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NA TlONAL SECURITY AGENCY AND 

THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES OF THE CONGRESS RESPECTIVELY IN THE OVERSIGHT 

PROCESS. 

Congressional oversight plays an essential role in ensuring that the activities ofthe intelligence communitymuch of which must be performed outside the public eye if they are to be fully effective- are appropriately 

overseen and accountable to the public through informed review conducted by their elected representatives. 

Inspectors General, by virtue of their dual reporting responsibilities under the Inspector General Act, play a key role 

in facilitating this oversight function, providing Congress as well as agency leadership with essential information 

regarding waste, fraud, abuse, and misconduct, so that Congress can consider that information in carrying out its 

critical constitutional oversight function over the agencies' activities and the leadership of the agencies can consider 

the OIG's findings and recommendations in addressing problems and improving the integrity and efficiency of its 

operations. Because of the OIGs' access to information- as recently underscored in the lG Empowerment Actand the independence with which we perform our investigations, audits, inspections, and reviews, we often are able 

to obtain information that is not otherwise available and reach conclusions and recommendations for change that can 

be particularly valuable in helping to inform Congressional oversight over the agencies' operations. Given the 

paramount importance to the national security of our country of the mission and activities of intelligence agencies 

like the NSA, and the significant investment of financial and human resources in these important efforts, such 

informed and effective oversight is critical in providing Congress with the information that it needs so that it and the 

public can be assured that the taxpayer dollars that Congress appropriates in this area are spent wisely, and that the 

activities of the NSA are carried out appropriately and consistently with all constitutional and statutory requirements 

and the civil rights and civil liberties of the public that they protect. 

49. EXPLAIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 

OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY. 

Pursuant to the Inspector General Act, the Inspector General of the National Security Agency is responsible for 

conducting independent investigations, audits, inspections, and reviews to detect and deter waste, fraud, abuse, and 

misconduct, and ensuring the integrity and efficiency of the NSA's operations. The Inspector General furthers the 

important mission of the NSA by conducting rigorous independent oversight that can provide agency leadership and 

Congress with critical information regarding the NSA's operations and impactful recommendations for their 

improvement and savings of taxpayer funds. The O!G also has the important role of receiving and responding 

appropriately to information brought forward by whistleblowers, and ensuring that NSA employees are fully 

informed regarding whistleblower rights and protections and that individuals who have made or are contemplating 

making protected disclosures are given appropriate information so that they can come forward with what can be very 

valuable information and not face adverse actions or reprisal for doing so. l believe that the work of the OIG at the 

NSA is particularly important given that so much of the agency's critical work must necessarily take place outside 

broader public scrutiny, making the O!G's independent oversight work pivotal in ensuring the agency and its 

personnel are appropriately accountable and that Congress and the public have the greatest possible transparency 

regarding the NSA 's activities, as well as the assurance that they are being conducted properly. 
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AFFIRMATION 

I. ROBERT!'. STORCH. DO SWEAR TII:\T THE ANSWERS I HAVE PROV!DED TO THIS 

QUESTIONNi\IRE ,\RE ACCUR:\TE AND COMPLETE 
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TO TilE CHAIRMAN, SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE: 

In connection with my nomination to be the Inspector General of the National 

Security Agency, I hereby express my willingness to respond to requests to appear 

and testif)r before any duly constituted committee of the Sennte. 

! lyl ~- ' 

-~t/ttJ1~_) SJgnnture --
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ON 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

QUESTIONNAIRE COMPLETION BY 

PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES 
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REVISED: APRIL2011 
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SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

QUESTIONNAIRE J.;"OR COMPLETION BY 

PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES 

PART A- BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION 

I. NAME: __ Isabel Patelunas _____________ --------

2. DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH:_OI-22-1963, Sellersville, PA ___________ _ 

3. MARITAL STATUS: _____ marricd ________ _ 

4. SPOUSE'S NAME: __ Pnul Patelunas __________ _ 

5. SPOUSE'S MAIDEN NAME IF APPLICABLE-__ nla 

6. NAMES AND AGES OF CHILDREN: 

NAME 

Brian Patelunas. 28 

Brandon Patelunas. 21 

7. EDUCATION SINCE HIGH SCHOOL: 

INSTITUTION DATES ATTENDED DEGREE RECEIVED DATE QI:'J!!JGREE 

University of Notre Dame 1980-85 BA Jan 1985 

,.,UJ.J.mu' v-'"e'"'-"S!u.' ty,_o,t'-"' M"a"'r.Lylwa,_,nd"-C"'.o"'l"'le"'ge"-'.JPa""r"-k __ l21Hi-87 M A Aug 1987 

8. EMPLOYMENT RECORD (LIST ALL POSlT!ONS HELD SINCE COLLEGE, INCLUDING 

MILITARY SERVICE. INDICATE NAME OF EMPLOYER, POSITION, TITLE OR DESCRIPTION, 

LOATION, AND DATES OF EMPLOYMENT.) 

EMPLOYER 

Centrallntclligcncc Agency 

POS!T!ON!!Tl'LE 

Intelligence Ofticer 

LOCATION DATES 

Lar1glcy, VA April 1989-prcsent 

• April2017 to present: Chairman, CIA's Publication Review Board 

• August 2015 through March 2017: On rotation to ODNI as Director of the President's Daily Brief Staff 

• May 20 II through July 2015: Deputy Director of CIA's office of Middle East nnnlysis 

• December 2008 through April 20 II: Director of the advanced analysis training program at CIA's Sherman 

Kent School 
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• May 2007 through November 2008: On rotation to the ODN! as Chief of Staff of the National 

Counterprolifcration Center 

• September 2002 through April 2007: Deputy, then Chief of CIA's Missile and Space Group in the Weapons 

Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control Oflice (WINPAC) 

• 1997 through 2002: Held various analytic and team lend positions in WINPAC 

• 1996until early 1997: In the Directorate of Operation's Counterintelligence Center, performed sensitive 

counterintelligence research supporting the USG 

• 1989 through 1996: Imagery analyst at the predecessor to the National Geospatial fntelligcnce Agency 

covering Russian weapons systems and arms control 

9. GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE (fNDICATE EXPERJENCE IN OR ASSOCIATION WITH FEDERAL, 

STATE, OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, INCLUDING ADVISORY, CONSULTATIVE, HONORARY, OR 

OTHER PART-TIME SERVICE OR POSITION. DO NOT REPEAT INFORMATION ALREADY 

PROVIDED IN QUESTION 8): 

n/a 

10. INDICATE ANY SPECIALIZED INTELLIGENCE OR NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERTISE YOU HAVE 

ACQUIRED HAYING SERVED IN THE POSITIONS DESCRIBED IN QUESTIONS 8 AND/OR 9. 

l am lin accomplished member of CIA's Senior Intelligence Service with over I 5 years of successfulmanagcmc111 

experience-----and 28 years total of Intelligence Community experience-in difficult jobs. I have supported the 

highest levels of government 1 driving analytic programs on the Middle East and countcrprolifcration, and leading the 

President's Daily Brief (PDB) stall through the last yea!' of the Obama Administration and into the Trump 

Administration. I have demonstrated cxcmplnry nnalytic tradccran and a passion for developing our officers to their 

fullest potential using honest feedback and mcntoring while ensuring focus on mission. 

II. HONORS AND AWARDS (PROVfDE INFORMATION ON SCHOLARSHIPS, FELLOWSHIPS, 

HONORARY DEGREES, MJLJTARY DECORATIONS, CIVILJAN SERVICE CITATIONS, OR ANY 

OTHER SPECIAL RECOGNITION FOR OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE OR ACHIEVEMENT): 

• Dozens of Exceptional Performance Awards and Meritorious Unit Citations from CIA 

• The Nntional Intelligence Superior Award from the DNl in2016 

12. ORGANIZA TJONAL AFFJLJATIONS (LIST MEMBERSHIPS IN AND OFFICES HELD WITHIN THE 

LAST TEN YEARS IN ANY PROFESSIONAL, CIVIC, FRATERNAL, BUSINESS, SCHOLARLY, 

CULTURAL, CHARITABLE, OR OTHER SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS): 

ORGANIZATION OFFICE HELD 

none 

13. PUBLISHED WRITINGS AND SPEECHES (LIST THE TITLES, PUBLISHERS, BLOGS AND 

PUBLICATION DATES OF ANY BOOKS, ARTICLES, REPORTS, OR OTHER PUBLISHED 

MATERIALS YOU HAVE AUTHORED. ALSO LIST ANY PUBLIC SPEECHES OR REMARKS YOU 

l!A VE MADE WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS FOR WHICH THERE IS A TEXT, TRANSCRIPT, OR 
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VIDEO.) IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF EACH REQUESTED PUBLICATION, TEXT, 

TRANSCRIPT, OR VIDEO'! 
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PART B ·QUALIFICATIONS 

14. QUALIFICATIONS (DESCRIBE WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO SERVE IN Tf!E 

POSITION FOR WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED): 

During my career in the Intelligence Communily (!C), I have developed and dcmonstnlled a breadth of skills and 

experiences, including as a manager, leader, and tradccrart expert, which will serve me weJI if I am confirmed to 

lead Treasury's Oflicc of hllclligcncc and Analysis (OIA). I have demonstrated the ability to lead the IC by taking 

positions of increasing responsibility during my 28-ycnr career at CIA, including two joint duty positions in the 

Office of the Director of Nntionnllntclligcncc (ODNI). I strive to lead by example through hard work and 

dedicnlion to excellence, whicl1 has been reflected in outstanding performance evaluations from: my supervisors. 

• I have worked across the IC and US Government to ensure the offices and groups that I have led are 

providing sophisticated, timely, relevant, and unbiased nnalysis for customers at the highest levels of the 

USG. 

• Most recently as Director of the President's Daily Dricf (PDD) Stuff-a rotation to the ODN!-I ensured the 

highest quality 1 most relevant, and timely analysis was prepared for POTUS and senior nationnl security 

advisors six days per week. J demonstrated a superb knowledge of nil key analytic Jines supporting policy 

customers, using exemplary tradecraft as tinnl reviewer for most PDBs and outstanding relationships with 

analytic leadership in the IC to accomplish this mission. 

• I have shown a commitment to recruiting and developing the workforces I have Jed, ensnring that officers 

receive training, opportunitks. guidance, and feedback to meet and exceed mission. 

• I have strong. collaborative relationships with colleagues across CIA and the IC to ensure we arc focused on 

customers' needs. 

• I have dcmonstrmcd the ability to lead change, most roccntly when !led the PDB Staff and IC through the 

transition of Presidential power. 

I am both humbled and excited to be considered to lead such n line organizntion as Treasury's OIA. The 

mission is fascinating-and vital to US national security interests· ··and the people are dedicated to that 

important mission. 

PART C ·POLITICAL AND FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS 

15. POLITICAL ACTIVITIES (LIST ANY MEMBERSHIPS OR OFFICES HELD IN OR FINANCIAL 

CONTRIBUTIONS OR SERVICES RENDERED TO, ANY POLITICAL PARTY, ELECTION 

COMMITTEE, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE, OR INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE DURING THE 

LAST TEN YEARS): 

None 

16. CANDIDACY FOR PUBLIC OFFICE (FURNISH DETAILS OF ANY CANDIDACY FOR ELECTIVE 

PUBLIC OFFICE): 
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17. FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS 

(NOTE: QUESTIONS 17A AND BARE NOT LIMITED TO RELATIONSHIPS REQUIRING REGISTRATION 

UNDER THE FOREIGN AGENTS REGISTRATION ACT. QUESTIONS 17A, B, AND C DO NOT CALL FOR 

A POSITIVE RESPONSE IF THE REPRESENTATION OR TRANSACTION WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE 

UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR OR YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT 

IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE.) 

No 

No 

No 

No 

A. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVER REPRESENTED IN ANY CAPACITY (E.G. EMPLOYEE, 

ATTORNEY, OR POL!TICAUBUSINESS CONSULTANT), WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, A 

FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENTITY CONTROLLED BY A FOREfGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, 

PLEASE FULLY DESCRIBE SUCH RELATIONSHIP. 

B. HAVE ANY OF YOUR OR YOUR SPOUSE'S ASSOCIATES REPRESENTED, TN ANY CAPACITY, 

WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENTITY CONTROLLED 

BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PULL Y DESCRlBE SUCH RELATIONSHIP. 

C. DURING THE PAST TEN YEARS, HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE RECEIVED ANY 

COMPENSATION FROM, OR BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL OR BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS 

WITH, A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR ANY ENTITY CONTROLLED BY A FOREIGN 

GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

D. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVER REGISTERED UNDER THE FOREIGN AGENTS 

REGISTRATION ACT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

18. DESCRIBE ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITY DURING THE PAST TEN YEARS, OTHER THAN IN AN 

OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT CAPACITY, IN WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE ENGAGED FOR 

THE PURPOSE OF DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY INFLUENCING THE PASSAGE, DEFEAT, OR 

MODIFICATION OF FEDERAL LEGISLATION, OR FOR THE PURPOSE OF AFFECTING THE 

ADMINISTRATION AND EXECUTION OF FEDERAL LAW OR PUBLIC POLICY. 

None 

PART D · FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST 
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19, DESCRIBE ANY EMPLOYMENT, llUSINESS RELATIONSlllP, FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, 

INVESTMENT, ASSOCIAT!ON, OR ACTJVITY (INCLUDJNG, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DEALINGS 

WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON YOUR OWN BEHALF OR ON llEHALF OF A CLIENT), 

WHICH COULD CREATE, OR APPEAR TO CREATE, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE POSITION 

TO WHrCH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED. 

None 

20. DO YOU INTEND TO SEVER ALL llUSINESS CONNECTIONS WITH YOUR PRESENT EMPLOYERS, 

FIRMS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATES AND/OR PARTNERSHIPS, OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE 

EVENT THAT YOU ARE CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE? IF NOT, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

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21. DESCRIBE THE FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS YOU HAVE MADE OR PLAN TO MAKE, IF YOU 

ARE CONFIRMED, IN CONNECTION WITH SEVERANCE FROM YOUR CURRENT POSITION. 

PLEASE INCLUDE SEVERANCE PAY, PENSION RIGHTS, STOCK OPTIONS, DEFERRED INCOME 

ARRANGEMENTS, AND ANY AND ALL COMPENSATION THAT WILL OR MIGHT BE RECEIVED 

IN THE FUTURE AS A RESULT OF YOUR CURRENT BUSINESS OR PROFESSIONAL 

RELATIONSHIPS. 

None, 

22. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS, COMMITMENTS, OR AGREEMENTS TO PURSUE OUTSIDE 

EMPLOYMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, DURING YOUR SERVICE WITH THE 

GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

21. AS FAR AS CAN BE FORESEEN, STATE YOUR PLANS AFTER COMPLETING GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE. PLEASE SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE ANY AGREEMENTS OR UNDERSTANDINGS, 

WR!Tl'EN OR UNWRITTEN, CONCERNING EMPLOYMENT AFI'ER LEAVING GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE. IN PARTICULAR, DESCRIBE ANY AGREEMENTS, UNDERSTANDINGS, OR OPTIONS 

TO RETURN TO YOUR CURRENT POSITION. 

CIA has prepared a memo <1llowing me to return to service there if I choose to. Otherwise, 1 have no employment 

plans if I were confirmed. 

4. IF YOU ARE PRESENTLY IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE, DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS OF SUCH 

SERVICE, HAVE YOU RECEIVED FROM A PERSON OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT AN OFFER OR 

EXPRESSION OF INTEREST TO EMPLOY YOUR SERVICES AFTER YOU LEAVE GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE'/ IF YES, PLEASE PROV!DE DETAILS. 

No 

25. IS YOUR SPOUSE EMPLOYED? IF YES AND THE NATURE OF THIS EMPLOYMENT IS RELATED 

IN ANYWAY TO THE POSITION FOR WHICH YOU ARE SEEKING CONFIRMATION, PLEASE 

INDICATE YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYER, THE POSITION, AND THE LENGTH OFT! ME THE 

POSIT[ ON HAS BEEN HELD. IF YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT IS NOT RELATED TO THE 

POSITION TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED, PLEASE SO STATE. 

My spouse's position is no! related to the position for which I h<1ve been nomina!ed .. 
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26. LIST BELOW ALL CORPORATIONS, PARTNERSHIPS, FOUNDATIONS, TRUSTS, OR OTHER 

ENTITlES TOWARD WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE FIDUCIARY OBLIGATIONS OR IN 

WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE HELD DlRECTORSHIPS OR OTHER POSITIONS OF TRUST 

DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 

NAME OF ENTITY 

Patelunns Data Systems Consulting 

(PDSC, LLC) 

SELF OR SPOUSE 

President/Owner 1/2006 to present spouse 

27. LIST ALL GIFTS EXCEEDING SIOOJN VALUE RECEIVED DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS BY 

YOU, YOUR SPOUSE, OR YOUR DEPENDENTS. (NOTE: GlFfS RECEIVED FROM RELATIVES 

AND GIFTS GIVEN TO YOUR SPOUSE OR DEPENDENT NEED NOT BE INCLUDED UNLESS THE 

GIFT WAS GIVEN WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND ACQUIESCENCE AND YOU HAD REASON TO 

BELIEVE THE GII'T WAS GIVEN BECAUSE OF YOUR OFFICIAL. POSITION.) 

None 

28. LIST ALL SECURITIES, REAL PROPERTY, PARTNERSHIP INTERESTS, OR OTHER INVESTMENTS 

OR RECEIVABLES WITH A CURRENT MARKET VALUE (OR, IP MARKET VALUE IS NOT 

ASCERTAINABLE, ESTIMATED CURRENT FAIR VALUE) IN EXCESS OF $1,000. (NOTE: THE 

INFORMATION PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULE A OF THE DISCLOSURE FORMS OF THE 

OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS MAY BE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE, PROVIDED THAT 

CURRENT VALUATIONS ARE USED.) 

DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY 

Our single-family home in NoVa 

.Y_ALUE 

npprox. $700,000 

METHOD OF VALUATION 

comparable sales 

Information provided in response to Parts 5 and 6 of the disclosure forms of the Office of Governmenl Ethics is 

hereby incorporated by reference. 

29. LIST ALL LOANS OR OTHER INDEBTEDNESS (INCLUDING ANY CONTINGENT LIABILITIES) IN 

EXCESS OF $10,000. EXCLUDE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR PERSONAL RESIDENCE UNLESS IT IS 

RENTED OUT, 1\ND LOANS SECURED BY AUTOMOBILES, HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE, OR 

APPLIANCES. (NOTE: THE INFORM A TfON PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULE C OF THE 

DISCLOSURE FORM OF THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS MAY BE INCORPORATED BY 

REFERENCE, PROVIDED THAT CONTINGENT LIABILITIES ARE ALSO INCLUDED.) 

NATURE OF OBLIGATION NAME OF OBLIGEE 

none 
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30. ARE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE NOW IN DEFAULT ON ANY LOAN, DEBT, OR OTHER FINANCIAL 

OBLIGATION? HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE BEEN IN DEFAULT ON ANY LOAN, DEBT, OR 

OTHER FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS? HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE 

EVER BEEN REFUSED CREDIT OR HAD A LOAN APPLICATION DENIED'! JF THE ANSWER TO 

ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS IS YES, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

3 I. LIST THE SPECIFIC SOURCES AND AMOUNTS OF ALL INCOME RECEIVED DUIUNG THE LAST 

FIVE YEARS, INCLUDING ALL SALARIES, FEES, DIVIDENDS, INTEREST, GIF!'S, RENTS, 

ROYALTIES, PATENTS, HONORARIA, AND OTHER ITEMS EXCEEDING $200. (COPIES OF U.S. 

INCOME TAX RETURNS FOR THESE YEARS MAY BE SUBSTITUTED HERE, BUT THEIR 

SUBMISSION IS NOT REQUIRED.) 

2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 

SALARIES * $177,058 $172,905 $166,220 $163,591 $161,236 

FEES 

ROYALTIES 

DIVIDENDS 

INTEREST 

G!Fl'S 

RENTS 

OTHER 

TOTAL *This is salary from the federal governmenl.(CIA) 

32. IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE THE COMMmEE WITH COPIES OF YOUR AND YOUR SPOUSE'S 

FEDERAL INCOME TAX RETURNS FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS? 

Yes 
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33. LIST ALL JURISDICTIONS IN WHICH YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE FILE ANNUAL INCOME TAX 

RETURNS. 

Virginia 

34. HAVE YOUR FEDERAL OR STATE TAX RETURNS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF AN AUDIT, 

INVESTIGATION, OR INQUIRY AT ANY TIME? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS, INCLUDING 

THE RESULT OF ANY SUCH PROCEEDING. 

No 

35. IF YOU ARE AN A [fORNEY, ACCOUNTANT, OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL, PLEASE LIST ALL 

CLTENTS AND CUSTOMERS WHOM YOU BILLED MORE THAN $200 WORTH OF SERVICES 

DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS. ALSO, LIST ALL JUR!SD!Cf!ONS IN WHICH YOU ARE 

LICENSED TO PRACTICE. 

NIA 

36. DO YOU INTEND TO PLACE YOUR FINANCIAL HOLDINGS AND THOSE OF YOUR SPOUSE AND 

DEPENDENT MEMBERS OF YOUR IMMEDIATE HOUSEHOLD IN A BLIND TRUST? IF YES, 

PLEASE FURNISH DETAILS. IF NO, DESCRIBE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS FOR AVOIDING ANY 

POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 

Any potential conflicts of interest havo been identified and resolved in accordance with the terms and conditions of 

my ethics agreement with the Department of the Treasury, which is documented by Iotter to Rochelle F. Granat, 

Designated Agency Ethics Onicial and Assistant General Counsellor General Law and Ethics. Should any potential 

contlict of interest arise in the future, I will seek guidance from a Treasury ethics official. 

37. IF APPLICABLE, LIST THE LAST THREE YEARS OF ANNUAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORTS 

YOU HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO FILE WITH YOUR AGENCY, DEPARTMENT, OR BRANCH OF 

GOVERNMENT. IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF THESE REPORTS? 

I have submitted Financial Disclosure reports every year since I was promoted to the Senior Intelligence Service in 

2008. If requested. 1 would provide those reports. 

PART E ·ETHICAL MATTERS 

38. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A DISCJPUNARY PROCEEDING OR CITED FOR A 

BREACH OF ETHICS OR UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT BY, OR BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A 

COMPLAINT TO, ANY COURT, ADMINJSTRA TTVE AGENCY, PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION, 

DISCIPLINARY COMMITI'EE, OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL GROUP? IF SO. PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 
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39. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN INVESTIGATED, HELD, ARRESTED, OR CHARGED BY ANY FEDERAL, 

STATE, OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY FOR VIOLATION OF ANY FEDERAL 

STATE, COUNTY, OR MUNICIPAL LAW, REGULATION, OR ORDINANCE, OTHER THAN A MINOR 

TRAFFIC OFFENSE, OR NAMED AS A DEFENDANT OR OTHERWISE IN ANY INDICTMENT OR 

INFORMATION RELATING TO SUCH VIOLATION? IF SO, PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

40. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF OR ENTERED A PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO 

CONTENDERE TO ANY CRIMINAL VIOLATION OTHER THAN A MINOR TRAFFIC OFFENSE? IF 

SO, PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

41. ARE YOU PRESENTLY OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A PARTY IN INTEREST TN ANY 

ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY PROCEEDING OR CIVIL LITIGATION? JF SO, PLEASE PROVJDE 

DETAILS. 

No 

42. HAVE YOU BEEN INTERVIEWED OR ASKED TO SUPPLY ANY INFORMATION AS A WITNESS OR 

OTHERWISE IN CONNECTION WITH ANY CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION, FEDERAL, OR 

STATE AGENCY PROCEEDING, GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION, OR CRIMINAL OR CIVIL 

LITIGATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS'! IF SO, PROVIDE DETAJLS. 

No 

43. HAS ANY BUSINESS OF WHICH YOU ARE OR WERE AN OFFICER, DIRECTOR, OR PARTNER 

BEEN A PARTY TO ANY ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY PROCEEDING OR CRIMINAL OR CIVIL 

LITlGATION RELEVANT TO THE POSIT! ON TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED? IF SO, 

PROVIDE DETAILS. (WITH RESPECT TO A BUSINESS OF WHICH YOU ARE OR WERE AN 

OFFICER, YOU NERD ONLY CONSIDER PROCEEDINGS AND LITIGATION THAT OCCURRED 

WHILE YOU WERE AN OFFICER OF THAT BUSINESS.) 

No 

44. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THE SUBJECT OF ANY INSPECTOR GENERAL INVEST!GA TlON? IF SO, 

PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 
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PART F- SECURITY INFORMATION 

45. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN DENIED ANY SECURITY CLEARANCE OR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED 

INFORMATION FOR ANY REASON? IF YES, PLEASE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL. 

No 

46. HAVE YOU BEEN REQUIRED TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION FOR ANY SECURITY 

CLEARANCE OR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION? IF YES, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

Yes, I have had numerous polygraphs l(>rmy CIA TS/SCI clearance. 

47. HA VB YOU EVER REFUSED TO SUBMIT TO A POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION'! IF YES, PLEASE 

EXPLAIN. 

No 

PART G · ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 

48. DESCRT!lE IN YOUR OWN WORDS THE CONCEPT OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF U.S. 

INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES. IN PARTICULAR, CHARACTERIZE WHAT YOU BEUEVE TO BE 

THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE Assistant Secretary of Treasury for Intelligence and Analysis ___ AND 

THE lNTELUGENCE COMMITTEES OF THE CONGRESS RESPECTIVELY IN THE OVERSIGHT 

PROCESS. 

Congressional oversight is important for the proper functioning of US Intelligence and if I am con!irmed, I will 

comply with all such obligations, ensuring tl1ere is n close relationship between OIA and Congressional oversight 

committees. If lam conlinned, 1 will keep oversight committees fully and currently informed on O!A intelligence 

activities. 

49. EXPLAIN YOUR UNDERSTANDJNG OF THE RESPONSIBfLITIES OF THE Assistrmt Secretary of 

Treasury for Intelligence and Analysis _______ _ 

Tl1c Assistant Secretary is charged with leading O!A, which advances national security and protects financial 

integrity by informing Trensury decisions with timely, relevant, nnd accurate intelligence and analysis, The Office 

supports the American people and the priorities of President Trump, Secretary Mnuchin and other senior Treasury 

policymnkers~-in collaboration with other Treasury components and the rest of the Intelligence Community~~ 

primarily by providing all-source intelligence analysts which targets awl supports Treasury action under USG 

authorities. If conllrmed, l will lead and guide analysis on topics of interest for high-level USG officials and ensure 

that our workforce continues to develop its skills and talents. If confirmed, I will also lead the IC in supporting 

effo!'!s to build a stronger threat finance Intelligence Community. 
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AFFIRMATION 

I, _ _Isabel Pate lunas_. ___ , DO SWEAR THAT THE ANSWERS l HAVE PROVIDED TO THIS 

QUESTIONNAIRE ARE ACCURATE AND COMPLETE. 
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TO THE CHAIRMAN, SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE: 

In connection with my nomination to be the Assistant Secretary of Treasury's 

Office of Intelligence and Analysis, I hereby express my willingness to respond to 

requests to appear and testify before any duly constituted committee of the Senate. 

Signature 

Date ~tJ/j'-
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UNITED STATES SENATE 
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SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE 

UNITEDSTATESSENATE 

QUESTIONNAIRE FOR COMPLETION BY 

PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES 

PART A· BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION 

L FULL NAME: Susan Monroe Gordon 

OTHER NAMES USED: Susan Leslie Monroe (maiden name) 

2. DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH: July 21, 1958; Knoxville, Tennessee 

CITIZENSHIP: 

3. MARITAL STATUS: Married 

4. SPOUSE'S NAME: James Caldwell Gordon, Ill 

5. SPOUSE'S MAJDEN NAME IF APPLICABLE: N/A 

6. NAMES AND AGES OF CHILDREN: 

NAME 

James Caldwell Gordon, IV, Esq. 

Katherine Charlotte Koepp, Capt, USMC 

7. EDUCATION SINCE IDGH SCHOOL: 

AGE 

32 

28 

INSTITUTION 

Duke University 

DATES ATTENDED 

09/1976- 051!980 

DEGREE RECEIVED DATE OF DEGREE 

B.S. 1980 

8. EMPLOYMENT RECORD (LIST ALL POSITIONS HELD SINCE COLLEGE, INCLUDING 

MILITARY SERVICE. INDICATE NAME OF EMPLOYER, POSITION, TITLE OR DESCRIPTION, 

LOCATION, AND DATES OF EMPLOYMENT). 

EMPLOYER POSlTIONmTLE LOCATIQN DATES 

National Gcospatial-Intelligence Deputy Director Springfield, VA 2015 -present 

Agency 

CIA Office of the Director Special Assistant for Cyber and Washington, DC 2014 2015 

Director, Information Operations 

Center 

CIA Directorate of Support Director Washington, DC 2012-2014 

CIA Directorate of Operations Deputy Director, Information Washington, DC 2009-2012 

Operations Center 
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CIA Directorate of Scientific 

and Weapons Research 

Director, Office of Special 

Activities 

Washington, DC 2007 2009 

None Unemployed Vienna, VA 2005-2007 

Self Independent Contractor Washington, DC 1999 - 2004 

CIA Office of the Director Special Assistant to DC! for 

Enterprise 

Washington, DC 1998- 1999 

CIA Director of Science and 

Technology 

CIA Office of Scientific 

and Weapons Research 

CIA Office of Scientific 

and Weapons Research 

CIA Office of Scientific 

and Weapons Research 

CIA Office of Scientific 

and Weapons Research 

Director, Office of Advanced 

Analytic Tools 

Various leadership positions 

Office of Development & 

Washington, DC 1996-1998 

Washington, DC 1988- 1995 

Engineering, Program Manager Washington, DC 1985-1988 

Satellite Technical Analyst Washington, DC 1982 -- 1985 

Current Events Analyst Washington, DC 1980 -- 1982 

9. GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE (INDICATE EXPERIENCE IN OR ASSOCIATION WITH FEDERAL, 

STATE, OR LOCAL GOVER.."'MENTS, INCLUDING ADVISORY, CONSULTATIVE, HONORARY, OR 

OTHER PART-TIME SERVICE OR POSITION. DO NOT REPEAT INFORMATION ALREADY 

PROVIDED IN QUESTION 8). 

In addition to the above question 8, as an independent contractor, my sole client was the Central Intelligence 

Agency (CIA). 

10. INDICATE A,'<Y SPECIALIZED INTELLIGENCE OR NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERTISE YOU HAVE 

ACQUIRED HAVING SERVED IN THE POSmONS DESCRIBED IN QUESTIONS 8 AND/OR 9. 

I have been an intelligence officer for my entire professional career (with exception of time spent away raising 

my children). As a nearly 30-year career CIA officer, 1 served in numerous positions including as an analyst, a 

research scientist, and a program manager. I held multiple senior leadership positions in Analysis, Science and 

Technology, Operations, Support, and now, most recently as Deputy Director of a Department of Defense 

(DoD) Combat Support Agency-the National Geospatiai-Intelligencc Agency (NGA). My career in public 

service has afforded me tremendous experience and expertise in technical analysis, satellite and collection 

system design, information systems and technology, information operations (cyber), security, and geospatial 

intelligence. I have, over the course of my career, had the opportunity to work closely with all elements of the 

Intelligence Community (!C), with particular emphasis on the CIA, NGA, National Security Agency (NSA) 

and National Reconnaissance Office (NHO). I have had access to, and responsibility for, some of the nation's 

most sensitive programs. Further, I have established strong relationships with our industrial and academic 

partners, mostly recently through my participations on the boards of the Intelligence and National Security 

Alliance (INSA) and the United States Geospatiallntelligence Foundation (USGIF). 

11. HONORS AND AWARDS (PROVIDE INFORMATION ON SCHOLARSHIPS, FELLOWSHIPS, 

HONORARY DEGREES, MILITARY DECORATIONS, CIVILIAN SERVICE CITATIONS, OR ANY 

OTHER SPECIAL RECOGNITION FOR OUTSTANDING PERFOR..V!ANCE OR ACHIEVEMENT). 
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Presidential Rank Award, Distinguished 

Presidential Rank Award, Meritorious 

Distinguished Intelligence Medal, CIA 

Director's Award, CIA 

Donovan-Award for Excellence in Operations, CIA 

George Tenet Award for Leadership, CIA 

Distinguished Intelligence Medal, CIA 

--- ---Director's Award, CIA 

Director's Award, CIA 

ArthurS. Fleming Award 

(Top I 0 Outstanding Federal Employees under 40) 

2016 

2014 

2014 

2013 

2012 

2012 

1999 

!998 

1996 

1995 

12. ORGANIZATIONAL AFFILIATIONS (LIST MEMBERSHIPS IN AND OFFICES HELD WITHIN THE 

LAST TEN YEARS IN ANY PROFESSIONAL, CIVIC, FRATERNAL, BUSINESS, SCHOLARLY, 

CULTURAL, CHARITABLE, OR OTHER SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS). 

ORGANIZATION 

USGIF 

INSA 

OFFICE HELD 

Board Member (advisory) 

Board Member (advisory) 

01/2015- present 

01/2015 -present 

Of note, both positions are associated with my position as Deputy Director, NGA, and will end at the end of my 

tenure in that position. 

13. PUBLISHED WRITINGS AND SPEECHES (LIST THE TITLES, PUBLISHERS, BLOGS AND 

PUBLICATION DATES OF ANY BOOKS, ARTICLES, REPORTS, OR OTHER PUBLISHED 

MATERIALS YOU HAVE AUTHORED. ALSO LIST ANY PUBLIC SPEECHES OR REMARKS YOU 

HAVE MADE WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS FOR WHICH THERE IS A TEXT, TRANSCRIPT, OR 

VIDEO). IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF EACH REQUESTED PUBLICATION, TEXT, 

TRANSCRIPT, OR VIDEO? 

See Attachment I 

PART B- QUALIFICATIONS 

I 4. QUALIFICATIONS (DESCRIBE WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO SERVE AS THE 

PRINCIPAL DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE). 

As noted in question l 0, the nature of my nearly 30 years of public service provided me with the substantive 

foundation and the perspective to serve as the Principal Deputy Director for Intelligence (PDDNI). The 

positions I held spanned all the disciplines of intelligence, crossing the various "INTs" and mission areas 

within the I C. 

I understand what it takes to provide relevant, sound analysis. I was involved with establishing intelligence 

requirements for major system acquisitions. I led or participated in some of the nation's most sensitive 

programs and understand the special oversight required. I developed and delivered information technology 

systems while bearing the responsibility for the protection of our own cyber systems. I understand the 

importance of support functions-from finance, to security, to facilities, to human resources-on a global 

scale. l have partnered with IC partners on various operations, including cyber activities, major system 

acquisition, or worldwide support. My most recent position as the Deputy Director of NGA has given me 
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unique, significant understanding of the intersection of combat support and strategic intelligence with IC 

elements resident within the DoD, like NGA, DIJ\ and NSA. 

I have a history of recognizing and supporting innovation, both in and out of government. As part of tl1e CIA 

leadership team, I was responsible for the stand up of ln-Q-Tel in 1999 to be a non-profit strategic investor and 

champion, bringing venture capital to cutting-edge technologies that could potentially support U.S. national 

security needs. 

My greatest professional passion continues to be leading the women and men of the IC, which I have done 

throughout most of my time in intelligence. Our diverse workforce is the means to every end, and recognize 

that developing their capability, providing them opportunity, and ensuring their value is what will take us into 

""the future. 

In sum, my career has been made navigating those moments when existing capability isn't enough, when 

innovation is required, when sure action must result, and when none can go alone. 

PART C- POLITICAL AND FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS 

15" POLITICAL ACTIVITIES (LIST ANY MEMBERSHIPS OR OFFICES HELD IN OR FINANCIAL 

CONTRIBUTIONS OR SERVICES RENDERED TO, ANY POLITICAL PARTY, ELECfiON 

COMMITTEE, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE, OR INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE DURING THE 

LAST TEN YEARS). 

None 

16. CANDIDACY FOR PUBLIC OFFICE (FURNISH DETAILS OF ANY CANDIDACY FOR ELECTIVE 

PUBLIC OFFICE). 

None 

17. FOREIGN AFFILIATIONS 

(NOTE: QUESTIONS 17 A AND BARE NOT LIMITED TO RELATIONSHIPS REQUIRING 

REGISTRATION UNDER THE FOREIGN AGENTS REGISTRATION ACT. QUESTIONS 17A, B, AND 

C DO NOT CALL FOR A POSITIVE RESPONSE 11' THE REPRESENTATION OR TRANSACTION WAS 

AUTHORIZED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR OR YOUR 

SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE.) 

A. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVER REPRESENTED IN ANY CAPACITY (E.G. EMPLOYEE, 

ATTORNEY, OR POLITICJ\L/BUSlNESS CONSULT ANT), WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSA TJON, 

A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENTITY CONTROLLED BY J\ FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF 

SO, PLEASE FULLY DESCRIBE SUCH RELATIONSHIP. 

No 

B. HAVE ANY OF YOUR OR YOUR SPOUSE'S ASSOCIATES REPRESENTED, IN ANY CAPACITY, 

WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR AN ENTITY 

CONTROLLED BY A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE FULLY DESCRIBE SUCH 

RELATIONSHIP. 

No 
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C. DURING THE PAST TEN YEARS, HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE RECEIVED ANY 

COMPENSATION FROM, OR BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL OR BUSINESS 

TRANSACTIONS WITH, A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OR ANY ENTITY CONTROLLED BY A 

FOREIGN GOVERNMENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. . 

Wo ... 

D. HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE EVER REGISTERED UNDER THE FOREIGN AGENTS 

REGISTRATION ACT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

18. DESCRIBE ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITY DURING THE PAST TEN YEARS, OTHER THAN IN AN 

OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT CAPACITY, IN WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HA VB ENGAGED 

FOR THE PURPOSE OF DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY INFLUENCING THE PASSAGE, DEFEAT, OR 

MODIFICATION OF FEDERAL LEGISLATION, OR FOR THE PURPOSE OF AFFECTING THE 

ADMINISTRATION AND EXECUTION OF FEDERAL LAW OR PUBLIC POLICY. 

None 

PART D ·FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST 

19. DESCRIBE ANY EMPLOYMENT, BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP, FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, 

INVESTMENT, ASSOCIATION, OR ACTIVITY (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DEALINGS 

WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON YOUR OWN BEHALF OR ON BEHALF OF A CUEND. 

WHICH COULD CREATE, OR APPEAR TO CREATE, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN TilE POSITION 

TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED. 

None 

20. DO YOU INTEND TO SEVER ALL BUSINESS CONNECTIONS WITH YOUR PRESENT EMPLOYERS, 

FIRMS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATES AND/OR PARTNERSHIPS, OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE 

EVENT THAT YOU ARE CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE? IF NOT, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 

Aside from my continued Federal service within the U.S. government, yes. 

21. DESCRIBE THE FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS YOU HAVE MADE OR PLAN TO MAKE, IF YOU 

ARE CONFIRMED, IN CONNECTION WITH SEVERANCE FROM YOUR CURRENT POSITION. 

PLEASE INCLUDE SEVERANCE PAY, PENSION RIGHTS, STOCK OPTIONS, DEFERRED INCOME 

ARRANGEMENTS, AND ANY AND ALL COMPENSATION THAT WILL OR MIGHT BE RECEIVED 

IN THE FUTURE AS A RESULT OF YOUR CURRENT BUSINESS OR PROFESSIONAL 

RELATIONSHIPS. 

If confirmed, I would continue to serve as an employee of the U.S. government. 

22. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS, COMMITMENTS, OR AGREEMENTS TO PURSUE OUTSIDE 

EMPLOYMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION, DURING YOUR SERVICE WITH THE 

GOVERN!vfENT? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 
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23. AS FAR AS CAN BE FORESEEN, STATE YOUR PLANS AFTER COMPLETING GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE. PLEASE SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE ANY AGREEMENTS OR 1JNDERSTANDINGS, 

WRITTEN OR UNWRITTEN, CONCERNING EMPLOYMENT AFTER LEAVING GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE. IN PARTICULAR, DESCRIBE ANY AGREEMENTS, UNDERSTANDINGS, OR OPTIONS 

TO RETURN TO YOUR CURRENT POSITION. 

It is my intent to retire from Federal Service. 

24. IF YOU ARE PRESENTLY IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE, DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS OF SUCH 

SERVICE, HAVE YOU RECEIVED FROM A PERSON OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT AN OFFER OR 

EXPRESSION OF INTEREST TO EMPLOY YOUR SERVICES AFTER YOU LEAVE GOVERNMENT 

SERVICE? IF YES, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

25. IS YOUR SPOUSE EMPLOYED? IF YES AND THE NATURE OF THIS EMPLOYMENT IS RELATED 

IN ANYWAY TO THE POSITION FOR WHICH YOU ARE SEEKING CONFIRMATION, PLEASE 

INTIICATE YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYER, THE POSITION, AND THE LENGTH OF TIME THE 

POSITION HAS BEEN HELD. IF YOUR SPOUSE'S EMPLOYMENT IS NOT RELATED TO THE 

POSITION TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED, PLEASE SO STATE. 

Yes. My spouse is a CIA employee (1986 to present) within the Directorate of Science and Technology 

(DS&T). Given the oversight role the PDDNI traditionally holds as it relates to significant IC acquisition and 

investments, if confirmed, I will consult with the ODNI ethics officials to determine what, if any, steps are 

necessary lo mitigate even the appearance or favoritism with regard to the programs he supports. 

26. LIST BELOW ALL CORPORATIONS, PARTNERSHIPS, FOUNDATIONS, TRUSTS, OR OTHER 

ENTITIES TOWARD WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE FIDUCIARY OBLIGATIONS OR IN 

WHICH YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE HELD DIRECTORSHIPS OR OTHER POSITIONS OF TRUST 

DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 

POSITION 

None 

27. LIST ALL GIFTS EXCEEDING $100 IN VALUE RECEIVED DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS BY 

YOU, YOUR SPOUSE, OR YOUR DEPENDENTS. (NOTE: GIFTS RECEIVED FROM RELATIVES 

AND GIFTS GIVEN TO YOUR SPOUSE OR DEPENDENT NEED NOT BE INCLUDED UNLESS THE 

GIFT WAS GIVEN WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND ACQUIESCENCE AND YOU HAD REASON TO 

BELIEVE THE GIFT WAS GIVEN BECAUSE OF YOUR OFFICIAL POSITION.) 

As a senior government official, I received a variety of hats, mugs, photographs, and other non-reportable gifts 

and trinkets. Any reportable gift was listed in my agency disclosure reports, or paid for consistent with U.S. 

government ethics regulations. 

28. LIST ALL SECURITIES, REAL PROPERTY, PARTNERSHIP INTERESTS, OR OTHER INVESTMENTS 

OR RECEIVABLES WITH A CURRENT MARKET VALUE (OR, IF MARKET VALUE IS NOT 

ASCERTAINABLE, ESTIMATED CURRENT FAIR VALUE) IN EXCESS OF $1,000. (NOTE: THE 

INFORMA T!ON PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULE A OF THE DISCLOSURE FORMS OF THE 
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OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS MAY IlE INCORPORATED IlY REFERENCE, PROVIDED THAT 

CURRENT VALUATIONS ARE USED.) 

DESCR!EILON OF PROPERTY METHOD OF VALUATION 

Please see OGE-278. 

29. LIST ALL LOANS OR OTHER INDEBTEDI\'ESS (INCLUDING ANY CONTINGENT LIABILITIES) IN 

EXCESS OF $10,000. EXCLUDE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR PERSONAL RESIDENCE UNLESS IT IS 

RENTED OUT, AND LOANS SECURED BY AUTOMOBILES, HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE, OR 

APPLIANCES. (NOTE: THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULE C OF THE 

DISCLOSURE FORM OF THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS MAY BE INCORPORATED BY 

REFERENCE, PROVIDED THAT CONTINGENT LIABILITIES ARE ALSO TNCU.JDED.) 

NATURE OF OBLIGATION NAME OF OBLIGEE 

Please see OGE-278 

30. ARE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE NOW IN DEFAULT ON ANY LOAN, DEBT, OR OTHER FINANCIAL 

OBLIGATION? HA VB YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE BEEN IN DEFAULT ON ANY LOAN, DEBT, OR 

OTHER FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS? HAVE YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE 

EVER BEEN REFUSED CREDIT OR HAD A LOAN APPLICATION DENIED? IF THE ANSWER TO 

ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS IS YES, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

31. LIST THE SPECIHC SOURCES AND AMOUNTS OF ALL INCOME RECEIVED DURING THE LAST 

FIVE YEARS, INCLUDING ALL SALARIES, FEES, DIVIDENDS, INTEREST, GIFTS, RENTS, 

ROYALTIES, PATENTS, HONORARIA, AND OTHER ITEMS EXCEEDING $200. (COPIES OF U.S. 

INCOME TAX RETURNS FOR THESE YEARS MAY BE SUBSTITUTED HERE, BUT THEIR 

SUBMISSION IS NOT REQUIRED.) 

2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 

SALARIES 165502.72 197836.00 186742.00 222300.00 197185.80 

FEES 0 0 0 0 0 

ROYALTIES 0 0 0 0 0 

DIVIDENDS 318.00 0 0 0 0 

INTEREST 8!.00 29.00 23.00 42.00 52.00 

GIFTS 0 0 0 0 0 

RENTS 0 0 0 0 0 

OTHER 0 0 0 0 0 

TOTAL 166,103.72 197,892.00 186,765.00 222,342.00 197,237.80 
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32. IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE THE COMMITTEE WITH COPIES OF YOUR AND YOUR SPOUSE'S 

FEDERAL INCOME TAX RETUR..NS FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS? 

Yes 

33. LIST ALL J1.JRISDICTIONS IN WHICH YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE FILE ANNUAL INCOME TAX 

RETURNS. 

Virginia 

34. HAVE YOUR FEDERAL OR STATE TAX RETURNS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF AN AUDIT, 

INVESTIGATION. OR INQUIRY AT ANY TIME? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS, INCLUDING 

THE RESULT OF ANY SUCH PROCEEDING. 

No 

35. IF YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY, ACCOUNT ANT, OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL, PLEASE LIST ALL 

CLIENTS AND CUSTOMERS WHOM YOU BILLED MORE THAN $200 WORTH OF SERVICES 

DURING THE PAST FIVE YEARS. ALSO, LIST ALL JURISDICTIONS IN WHICH YOU ARE 

LICENSED TO PRACTICE. 

Not applicable 

36. DO YOU INTEND TO PLACE YOUR HNA.NCIAL HOLDINGS AND THOSE OF YOUR SPOUSE AND 

DEPENDENT MEMBERS OF YOUR IMMEDIATE HOUSEHOLD IN A BLIND TRUST? IF YES, 

PLEASE FURNISH DETAILS. IF NO. DESCRIBE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS FOR AVOIDING A.NY 

POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 

No. I have ensured my financial holdings meet U.S. government ethics requirements, and I do not believe any 

current holdings would present a conflict of interest. If confirmed. I will execute and abide by an agreement 

with ODNI to avoid any conflicts of interest under the applicable statutes and regulations. 

37. IF APPLICABLE, LIST THE LAST THREE YEARS OF ANNUAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORTS 

YOU HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO FILE WITH YOUR AGENCY, DEPARTMENT, OR BRANCH OF 

GOVERNMENT. IF ASKED, WILL YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF THESE REPORTS? 

2016 Agency Financial Disclosure Report 

2014 Agency Financial Disclosure Report 

2012 Agency Financial Disclosure Report 

I will provide copies upon request. 

PARTE- ETIUCAL MATTERS 

38. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDING OR CITED FOR A 

BREACH OF ETHICS OR UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT BY, OR BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A 

COMPLAINT TO, ANY COURT. ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY, PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION, 
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DISCIPLINARY COMMIITEE, OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL GROUP? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE 

DETAILS. 

No 

39. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN INVESTIGATED, HELD, ARRESTED, OR CHARGED BY ANY FEDERAL, 

STATE, OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY FOR VIOLATION OF ANY FEDERAL 

STATE, COUNTY, OR MUNICIPAL LAW, REGULATION, OR ORDINANCE, OTHER THAN A MINOR 

TRAFFIC OFFENSE, OR NAMED AS A DEFENDANT OR OTHERWISE IN ANY INDICTMENT OR 

INFORMATION RELATING TO SUCH VIOLATION? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

40. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF OR ENTERED A PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO 

CONTENDERE TO ANY CRIMINAL VIOLATION OTHER THAN A MINOR TRAFFIC OFFENSE? IF 

SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

No 

41. ARE YOU PRESENTLYORHAVE YOU EVER BEEN A PARTY IN INTEREST IN ANY 

ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY PROCEEDING OR CIVIL LITIGATION? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE 

DETAILS. 

No 

42. HAVE YOU BEEN INTERVIEWED OR ASKED TO SUPPLY ANY INFORMATION AS A WITNESS OR 

OTHERWISE L"' CONNECTION WITH ANY CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION, FEDERAL, OR 

STATE AGENCY PROCEEDING, GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION, OR CRIMINAL OR CIVIL 

LITIGATION IN THE PAST TEN YEARS? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

I was interviewed by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as part of its investigation into the events 

leading up to and during the 2012 terrorist attack on the U.S. temporary mission facility in Benghazi, Libya. 

43. HAS ANY BUSINESS OF WHICH YOU ARE OR WERE AN OFFICER, DIRECTOR, OR PARTNER 

BEEN A PARTY TO ANY ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY PROCEEDING OR CRIMINAL OR CIVIL 

LITIGATION RELEVANT TO THE POSITION TO WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED? IF SO, 

PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. (WITH RESPECT TO A BUSINESS OF WHICH YOU ARE OR WERE 

AN OFFICER, YOU NEED ONLY CONSIDER PROCEEDINGS AND LITIGATION THAT OCCURRED 

WHILE YOU WERE AN OFFICER OF THAT BUSINESS.) 

No 

44. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THE SUBJECT OF ANY INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATION? IF SO, 

PLEASE PROVIDE DETAILS. 

I have not been the subject of any such investigation. However, as a long-term government employee, 

organizations in which l have held supervisory or management positions have been the subject of routine 

Inspector General audits, reviews and inspections. 
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PART F ·SECURITY INFORMATION 

45. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN DENIED ANY SECURITY CLEARANCE OR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED 

INFORMATION FOR At'IY REASON? IF YES, PLEASE EXPLA1N IN DET AlL. 

No 

46. HAVE YOU BEEN REQUIRED TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION FOR ANY SECURITY 

CLEARANCE OR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION? IF YES, PLEASE EXPLA1N. 

Yes, both counterintelligence and full-scope polygraphs consistent with my employment in the Central 

Intelligence Agency. 

47. HAVE YOU EVER REFUSED TO SUBMIT TO A POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION? IF YES, PLEASE 

EXPLAIN. 

No 

PART G- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 

48. DESCRIBE IN YOUR OWN WORDS THE CONCEPT OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF U.S. 

INTELLIGENCE ACT!VIT!ES. IN PARTICULAR, CHARACTERIZE WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE 

THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE OFFICE OF THE PRINCIPAL DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL 

INTELLIGENCE AND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES OF THE CONGRESS, RESPECTIVELY, IN 

THE OVERSIGHT PROCESS. 

I strongly support congressional oversight of the intelligence committee by the appropriate committees of 

Congress. 

In a broader sense, the budget and activities of the IC arc necessarily withheld from public and media scrutiny, 

and so the oversight is left to appropriate committees of Congress. As such, it is incumbent on the IC to ensure 

those committees of jurisdiction, particularly the intelligence oversight committees, have the information and 

intelligence needed to conduct their oversight in a manner that provides public accountability and confidence 

that the men and women of the IC arc engaged in activities that are legal, sanctioned, necessary for national 

security, efficient in their execution, and provide the appropriate privacy and civil liberties safeguards 

consistent with the law. As Chair of the !C Deputies Committee, the PDDNI has visibility into cross-cutting 

issues of the !C. If confirmed, J commit to keeping the intelligence committees fully and currently informed of 

intelligence activities as required by law, and support existing IC policy by demanding the same of other 

intelligence community elements. 

More nanowly, the position of PDDNI oversees the day-to-day activities of aU ODNI components. As such, 

the PDDNI is in the unique position to ensure that ODNI continues to be compliant with its statutory 

obligation to keep the congressional intelligence committees fully and currently informed of significant 

intelligence activities, anticipated activities, and failures . . 

49. EXPLAIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PRINCIPAL DEPUTY 

DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE. 

The Principal Deputy Director of Nationallntelligence is responsible for assisting the DNI in fulfilling the 

various duties of the Director ofNationallntelligence as directed in statute, Executive Order, Presidential 

Memoranda, or policy. The PDDNI must step in to discharge all authorities and responsibilities of the DNI 
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when needed. Also, the PDDNI provides key direction to IC elements on via the IC Deputies Committee, 

driving the integration of the !C. 

Additionally, the PDDNI serves as the "Chief Operating Officer" of the Office of the Director of National 

Intelligence, ensuring the ODNI is meeting its mission efficiently and appropriately. 
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Attachment 1 -Publications and Speaking Engagements 

Product Event Name 

CIA External Speaking Events Article & TPs 

Article & TPs 

Article 

Video 

Video 

Video 

Keynote address at STEM Conference 

NBC Sisterhood of Spies Interview 

Moderator at CIA's 2014 National Security Conference at Georgetown 

University 

Duke Alumni 

Speaker at CIA's 2016 National Security Conference at George washington 

University 

ANGLE of Ascent Event 

NGA External Speaking Events 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Talking Points 

Remarks 

Talking Points 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Talking Points 

Remarks 

Talking Points 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

Remarks 

11th Countering WMD Global Synchronization Conference 

AFCEA Industry Day 

Mission Users Group Forum- Intelligence Integration-- Powered by !CITE 

IC LGBTA Affinity Network March Meeting: NGA Defense 

12th Annual Underground Facilities R&D Technical Conference 

USGIF Dayton Workshop 

Women in Aerospace 

IC Legal Conference 

GEOINTeraction Tuesday 

3rd IC Women's Summit 

2nd African American National Security & Intelligence Summit 

Oak Ridge National Laboratory SAG Meeting 

2015 GEOINT Cyber-C41 Summit 

INSA IC Industry Day 

Future Space Leaders Conference 

Esri Defense Intel Executive Track (DIET) 

Space and Missile Defense Symposium 

DODIIS Worldwide Conference 

Executive Mosaics 

Georgetown Joint Conference 

WashingtonExec 

DHS Cybersecurity Awareness Month 

DigitaiGiobe Discussion 

Amazon Web Services re:lnvent 

Esri Classified Day Welcome and Receiving of SAG Award 

Buckhead Club Speakers Series 

Event Date 

9/28/2012 

11/14/2013 

6/11/2014 

10/31/2014 

9/20/2016 

12/6/2016 

2/18/2015 

3/16/2015 

3/17/2015 

3/19/2015 

4/14/2015 

4/21/2015 

5/5/2015 

5/6/2015 

5/12/2015 

5/13/2015 

6/13/2015 

6/16/2015 

7/15/2015 

7/16/2015 

7/16/2015 

7/21/2015 

8/12/2015 

8/24/2015 

9/15/2015 

9/24/2015 

9/30/2015 

10/1/2015 

10/6/2015 

10/7/2015 

10/26/2015 

10/27/2015 
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Remarks Business Executives for National Security (BENS) 10/28/2015 

Remarks Urban Atlanta Geospatial STEM Academy 10/28/2015 

Remarks Harvard National Security Fellow 11/3/2015 

Remarks Appalachian State Visit 11/12/2015 

Remarks SmaiiSat Workshop Classified Day 11/17/2015 

Remarks Geography 2050 11/20/2015 

Remarks IC Chief Human Capital Officer Summit 11/30/2015 

Remarks GEOINT Electro-Optical Technical Symposium (GEOTS) 12/7/2015 

Talking Points FWPC Women's Mentorship Initiative Kickoff 2/2/2016 

Remarks Non-Title SO Conference 2/4/2016 

Talking Points Duke -Women in Foreign Policy 2/18/2016 

Talking Points UNC Student Lunch Engagement 2/18/2016 

Remarks Duke- Overcoming Obstacles 2/19/2016 

Talking Points NC State Student Engagement 2/19/2016 

Remarks Esri Federal GIS Conference 2/24/2016 

Remarks AFCEA Industry Day 3/16/2016 

Remarks National Counterintelligence and Security Conference 3/30/2016 

Talking Points GEOINT Symposium Sneak Peek 4/7/2016 

Talking Points GeoWomen 2016 Award 4/26/2016 

Remarks 2016 Leadership Summit for Women in Security Careers Welcome (DD) 5/13/2016 

Talking Points GEOINT Symposium: YPG/NPN Luncheon 5/16/2016 

Talking Points IN SA Acquisition Remarks 6/2/2016 

Remarks Data Analytics Conference 6/3/2016 

Talking Points 2016 AnnuaiiC Info Sharing Symposium Panel 6/6/2016 

Remarks ln-Q-Tei/Silicon Valley Bank Discovery Event 6/15/2016 

Remarks DIA !CITE Day 6/20/2016 

Remarks AWS Public Sector Summit 6/20/2016 

Remarks IC Facilities and Logistics Conference 6/21/2016 

Remarks Advanced Campaign Cell Annual Review 6/29/2016 

Remarks IC Innovation Conference 7/6/2016 

Remarks NextGen Summit 8/2/2016 

Remarks Inaugural insider Threat Awareness Event 8/15/2016 

Remarks WiSE Symposium 9/7/2016 

Remarks !ARPA seminar 9/19/2016 

Talking Points CIA-GWU Nat' I Security Conference 9/20/2016 

Talking Points DNI COCOM Panel 9/21/2016 

Remarks NASIC Federal Women's Program Career Development Seminar 9/28/2016 

Remarks Cybersecurity Awareness Month 10/6/2016 

Remarks STEM Conference 11/11/2016 

Remarks NYC TDY: Civic Hall Panel 11/17/2016 

Talking Points NYC BENS Luncheon 11/17/2016 
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Remarks Geography 2050 11/18/2016 

Remarks AWS re:lnvent 11/29/2016 

Remarks Consumer Electronics Show-Gov 1/8/2017 

Remarks Geocomputation Summit 2/14/2017 

Remarks FAGA Forum on Space Intelligence 2/15/2017 

Remarks National Missions Conference 2/22/2017 

Remarks Duke Recruiting Breakfast NYC 3/2/2017 

Remarks Duke Women at AU Law 3/4/2017 

Remarks South by Southwest 3/10/2017 

Remarks AFCEA Industry Day 3/14/2017 

Remarks Powering GEOINT Analytics 4/13/2017 

Remarks Duke Alumni Event Panel Discussion 5/22/2017 

Remarks GEOINT Symposium 6/5/2017 

Remarks Cipher Brief Annual Threat Conference 6/21/2017 
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AFFIRMATION 

L SUSAN M. GORDO!\. D( l SWEAR THAT THE ANSWERS I HAVE PROVIDED TO THIS 

f.)UESTJONNAIRE ARE ACCURATE AND COMPLETE. 

Commonwealth of Virginia 

City/County of Fairfax 

This instrument was acknowledged befQ,\9 me 

o~..Illday o~. 201J._by~~ 
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TO THE CHAIRMAN, SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE: 

In connection with my nomination to be the Principal Deputy Director of 

National Intelligence, I hereby express my willingness to respond to requests to 

appear and testify before any duly constituted committee of the Senate. 

L/0~/:i/ ~~a/?YL-_-__ s~ 
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SELECT COMMITTEE ON 

INTELLIGENCE 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

Additional Pre-Hearing Questions for 

Robert P. Storch upon his nomination to be Inspector General of the National 

Security Agency 
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Duties o(the Inspector General 

QUESTION 1: What is your understanding of the scope of the programs and 

activities within the responsibility and authority of the Inspector General of the 

National Security Agency (NSA)? 

The Inspector General has the responsibility under the Inspector General Act to conduct and 

supervise audits and operations relating to the programs and operations of the National Security 

Agency (NSA), to provide leadership and coordination and recommend policies to promote the 

economy, efficiency, and effectiveness in the NSA's programs and operations and to prevent and 

detect fraud and abuse in those programs and operations, and to keep both the head of the 

establishment and Congress fully and currently informed about problems and deficiencies and 

the necessity for and progress of corrective action to address such issues. As a practical matter, 

OIGs accomplish these functions through audits, inspections, reviews, and investigations that 

provide impactful findings and recommendations and address the full range of the agency's 

operations and the activities of its personnel and programs, and through ongoing 

communications with the head of the agency and the Congress related thereto. 

QUESTION 2: To what extent do you believe that the timeliness and 

responsiveness of reporting is an element of the effectiveness of an Inspector 

General? 

Timeliness and responsiveness of reporting are both absolutely critical to the effectiveness of an 

Inspector General. In my time as Deputy Inspector General at the Department of Justice Office 

of the Inspector General (DOJ OIG), I have learned that for a review to be truly useful in 

providing relevant information to the leadership of the agency and to Congress and impactful in 

helping to ensure that appropriate actions are taken to improve the integrity and efficiency of 

agency operations, the review must be conducted and issued in a timeframe that makes the 

results relevant and actionable. Investigations of misconduct by agency personnel or in 

connection with its programs and operations must be completed and reported to the agency in a 

timely fashion so that appropriate actions can be taken as a result both to address past 

misconduct and to enable the agency to take steps to address any related issues going forward. 

As the Deputy Inspector General at the DOJ OIG, I developed and put in place a tracking 

mechanism whereby our Divisions set milestones for completion of different stages of the report 

process and I am able to monitor their progress and have discussions with Division leadership as 

appropriate to help keep our work moving toward a timely completion. If confirmed for this 

position, I would similarly expect to work with the personnel at NSA OIG to make every effort 

ensure that we are completing our important work in a timely and, therefore, useful manner. 

QUESTION 3: Do you intend to comply with the president's executive order on 

ethics? Will you promptly notify the committee if any waivers are granted? 

I intend to comply with the President's Executive Order on ethics, and will promptly notify the 

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Protection of Whistleblowers 

QUESTION 4: Do you believe employees and contractors at the NSA are 

adequately protected by current whistleblower rules and regulations? 

Whistleblowers perform an invaluable service to their agency and the public when they come 

forward with information that they reasonably believe evidences wrongdoing, and they should 

never suffer reprisal for doing so. I have worked over the past five years to advance this 

fundamental principle, both as the O!G Whistleblower Ombudsperson at DOJ and in serving as 

the Chair of the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE) 

Whistleblower Ombudsman Working Group. I have not had the opportunity in either of those 

capacities to examine in detail the protections afforded employees and contractors at the NSA or 

within the Intelligence Community more generally. Having said that, I believe that making sure 

that whistle blowers feel and are appropriately protected when they come forward with what they 

reasonably believe to be evidence of wrongdoing is a key function for OIGs. In my current 

position, I have welcomed the opportunity to work with the Members and Staff of the bipartisan 

Senate and House Whistleblower Caucuses on these issues and, if I am confirmed for this 

position, I would be pleased to work with the Committee going forward to address any issues 

impacting employees and contractors at the NSA. 

QUESTION 5: If confirmed, what additional policies and processes will you 

establish or recommend to protect whistleblowers? 

I have learned since initially being nominated for this position that the NSA OIG operates a 

Whistleblower Protection Program through its Investigations Division. I have not had an 

opportunity to study that program, much less to develop any additional policies or processes to 

enhance those efforts. However, I do feel strongly that education is critical in this area and, for 

example, at DOJ OIG, I developed an educational video, which is publicly available on a 

Whistleblower Protection page that we created with additional information and links to 

brochures and other resources for employees and contractors, all of which is readily available on 

our website at https://oig.justice.gov/hotline/whistleblower-protection.htm. I also prepared and 

worked with the Department to have posted at all DOJ facilities posters about whistleblowing 

and whistleblower protection, and prepared and had disseminated a brochure with specific 

information for Department contractors, subcontractors, grantees, and others. Should I be 

confirmed, I would anticipate making every effort to ensure that the OIG is providing 

information to employees and contractors regarding their rights and protections so that they can 

feel comfortable and assured in coming forward with information. 

Additionally, the studies I have reviewed and discussions with experts in the field in which I 

have participated emphasize the importance of keeping whistleblowers informed to the greatest 

extent possible, and that such a sense of what is referred to as "institutional justice" is critical in 

demonstrating to potential whistleblowers that their disclosures are valued and that they will be 

handled appropriately. To further this effort at DOJ OIG, for example, I developed and put in 

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place a tracking system that informs me, as our OIG Whistleblower Ombudsperson, when we 

have responded to whistleblowers at different stages so that I am able to work with our staff to 

ensure that we are doing so in a timely fashion as appropriate. If confirmed for this position, I 

would anticipate working to ensure that measures are in place to ensure that whistleblowers are 

appropriately informed both generally and with regard to specific disclosures. 

Access to In (ormation 

QUESTION 6: Please describe how you would resolve, including what remedies 

you would pursue, if a situation involves an NSA employee or contractor who 

refuses to provide access to records, reports, audits, reviews, documents, papers, 

recommendations or other materials requested by the NSA IG. 

OIGs must have timely and independent access to all relevant books and records of the agency in 

order to carry out their functions in a thorough and credible way. If the agency over which we 

have oversight responsibility has the discretion to decide what information or records to give an 

OlG in carrying out our functions, or delays in providing us documents necessary to do our 

work, the OIG's reviews and investigations necessarily will be hampered and confidence in our 

work undermined. The recent action of Congress in passing the IG Empowerment Act affirmed 

the importance of this fundamental principle by clearly stating in Section 6(a) that each Inspector 

General is authorized to have timely access to all necessary records, reports, audits, reviews, 

documents, papers, recommendations, or other materials available to the establishment which 

relate to the programs and operations with respect to which the Inspector General has 

responsibilities under the Act, except pursuant to any law that expressly refers to the IG and 

limits the right of access of the lG. Under Section 8G( d)(2) of the Inspector General Act, the 

Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, can prohibit the 

IG from accessing information available to an element of the IC, specifically including the NSA, 

based on a determination, communicated to the Senate and House Intelligence and Armed 

Services committees and with an opportunity for response from the IG, that such a prohibition is 

necessary to protect vital national security interests of the United States. Absent such an 

invocation under Section 8G, I believe that the OIG is entitled to the records and other materials 

necessary to do its work, and should agency leadership not promptly and satisfactorily resolve 

any refusal or undue delay in providing such records or other materials, I would notify Congress. 

QUESTION 7: What is your view of the appropriate use of the NSA IG's 

subpoena authority? 

I believe that subpoena authority is a fundamental tool for IGs to obtain documents on those 

occasions when compulsory process is necessary, consistent with Section 6(a)(4) of the Inspector 

General Act. This authority may not need to be used extensively, but it is important that it be 

available to !Gs in order to ensure that they obtain all relevant records necessary to carry out 

their oversight functions. 

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Sources of Complaints 

QUESTION 8: If confirmed, what steps would you take to inform individuals, 

within or outside of the U.S. Government, including contractors, of their 

opportunity to provide such complaints or information to the Inspector General? 

I do not believe that an OIG can carry out its oversight responsibilities without receiving 

information from individuals, within and outside government, regarding the operations of the 

agency. We have recognized this at DOJ OIG, where under the leadership of our IG we have put 

in place a robust effort to notify people regarding the opportunity and means of providing 

complaints or information to the 010, including detailed information available on our website, 

fraud awareness briefings conducted with Department contractors and components, brochures 

and other educational materials, and public appearances discussing the OIG's role and the 

importance of providing information to the office. We also worked with the Department to have 

posters regarding how to make disclosures posted in all DOJ facilities, and we have used social 

media to inform people more broadly about the efforts of the OIG and how to submit 

information to our office. If confirmed, l would explore with the current oro staff the 

organization's efforts in this regard and work with them to implement any needed expansion of 

those efforts to ensure that we are making every effort to inform individuals, within or outside of 

the agency, including contractors, of their opportunity to provide such complaints or information 

to the oro and the various available means of doing so. 

Relationship to Other Inspectors General 

QUESTION 9: Please describe your understanding, if confirmed, concerning 

NSA OIG's participation in the work of the Intelligence Community Inspectors 

General Forum and any measures you would recommend to improve its functions. 

As Deputy Inspector General at the DOJ OIG, I have participated in the Deputies meetings of the 

Intelligence Community Inspectors General Forum (IC IG Forum), and attended the annual IC 

IG Conferences. These activities have given me an opportunity to participate in and observe 

some of the operations of the Forum, which among other things provides valuable information 

on cross-cutting issues, recognizes outstanding work by the O!Gs within the IC, and facilitates 

detail opportunities across the lC community. One area where I understand there has been some 

work that I think may be a fertile source for future growth is in facilitating multi-OIG reviews in 

areas with issues or equities that extend across IC components. We have had recent experience 

with such joint reviews at DOJ OIG in our participation with three other OIGs (including two 

from IC components) in the review of the sharing of intelligence leading up to the Boston 

Marathon bombing and, more recently, in the joint review of the post-incident responses by the 

Drug Enforcement Administration and the Department of State following several fatal shootings 

in Honduras. I believe that facilitating such collaborative efforts where appropriate could further 

the work of the OIGs in this area and, if confirmed, will work to explore avenues to fully exploit 

the potential of the IC IG Forum. 

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Government Accountabilitv Office 

Pursuant to Section 348 of the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010, 

the Director ofNational Intelligence has issued a directive on the access of the 

Comptroller General to information in the possession of an element of the 

Intelligence Community. 

QUESTION 10: Please describe your understanding of the role of the 

Government Accountability Office (GAO) in assisting Congress in oversight that 

relates to such information. 

During my time at the DOJ OIG, I have learned that the Government Accountability Office 

(GAO) plays a critical role in providing information and analysis to assist Congress in 

performing its constitutional functions and ensuring the accountability of federal government 

agencies and that the taxpayer dollars that Congress appropriates are spent efficiently and wisely. 

QUESTION 11: Please also describe your views on whether consultation or 

coordination by NSA OIG with the GAO presently occurs and, if not, what 

coordination would be desirable to assure full coverage of oversight requirements 

while avoiding any conflict or duplication of effort. 

My understanding is that there has been consultation and coordination between NSA OIG and 

the GAO. I believe that the missions of GAO and the OIG are complimentary, and that both 

benefit from the greatest possible level of consultation and coordination, both to assure full 

coverage of oversight requirements and to avoid any conflict or duplication of effort. At DOJ 

OIG, we have cooperated to the greatest extent possible with GAO reviews and meet on a 

periodic basis with GAO to coordinate with regard to our relevant work, and we also have 

utilized the results of GAO reviews as a valuable source of information in our own work. With 

the wide range of potential work facing OIGs and the limited staffing and other resources with 

which to accomplish it, such coordination is particularly important in ensuring that unnecessary 

overlapping efforts are avoided, thereby ensuring that we are using our time and resources as 

effectively as possible. 

Independence 

QUESTION 12: If confirmed, please describe what actions you would take if a 

senior NSA or IC official sought to prevent you from initiating, carrying out, or 

completing any audit or investigation within the jurisdiction ofthe NSA IG? 

Consistent with Section 2 of the Inspector General Act, the OIG is established as an independent 

and objective unit with the responsibility of conducting and supervising audits and investigations 

relating to the programs and operations of the agency. The only basis of which I am aware for 

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preventing the NSA OIG from initiating, carrying out, or completing an audit or investigation 

within its jurisdiction would be for the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Director of 

National Intelligence, to invoke Section 8G(d)(2) of the Inspector General Act, which provides a 

mechanism for the Secretary to so act based on a determination, communicated to the Senate and 

House Intelligence and Armed Services committees and with an opportunity for response from 

the IG, that such a prohibition is necessary to protect vital national security interests of the 

United States. Absent such an invocation under Section 8G, if a senior NSA or IC official 

sought to prevent the OIG from initiating, carrying out, or completing any audit or investigation 

within its investigation, I would, if confirmed, immediately report the matter to the head of the 

agency and, if that did not resolve it promptly and satisfactorily, to Congress. 

QUESTION 13: The NSA has dual reporting chains (DoD and I C); you are a 

political appointee; and you have statutory reporting obligations. How will you 

balance these competing equities and reporting obligations? 

A principle that is sacrosanct for OIGs is that they report exactly what they find and make 

appropriate recommendations based thereon. This, of course, is entirely consistent with my 

many years as a federal prosecutor, where 1 followed the evidence where it led and brought 

charges accordingly. If confirmed as the NSA IG, I would report fully and accurately to the 

head of the establishment and to Congress, consistent with the reporting structure established in 

the Inspector General Act. IGs are chosen without regard to partisan affiliation as set forth in 

Section 3(a) of the Inspector General Act, and my own status therefore would not be relevant to 

the important responsibilities placed on the OIG. For their work to be credible and, therefore, 

useful, IGs must be, and must appear to be, completely non-partisan, and our work uninfluenced 

by politics in any way. 

Inspector General Work Plan 

QUESTION 14: If confirmed, how will you determine the investigations and 

audits that are necessary or desirable to complete each year? How will you engage 

this Committee to solicit topics for consideration? 

I believe that most or all OIGs undergo a process whereby they determine their work plans based 

on assessments of risks, emerging events or issues, and input from the agency over which they 

have oversight, Congress, and other sources. If confirmed, I would welcome the opportunity to 

meet with Members and Staff of the Committee on an ongoing basis to discuss areas of interest 

and to facilitate a continuing dialogue as to areas of potential work for the OIG. 

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Referrals to the Department of Justice 

QUESTION 15: Please describe your understanding of the authority and 

responsibility of the NSA OIG to refer matters to the Department of Justice 

concerning possible criminal conduct, including the conduct of current or former 

officials. 

Pursuant to Section 4(d) of the Inspector General Act, each Inspector General is required to 

expeditiously report to the Attorney General whenever the IG has reasonable grounds to believe 

there has been a violation of Federal law. This is consistent with the general requirement set 

forth in Title 28, United States Code, Section 535(b), as well as Executive Order 12333 dealing 

with United States Intelligence Activities. I believe that it is standard and appropriate for O!Gs 

to refer information regarding possible criminal conduct to DOJ for consideration of prosecution. 

Consultations about Reports 

QUESTION 16: Under what circumstances, if any, do you believe it would be 

appropriate for the NSA OIG to consult with officials in the NSA, or other officials 

of an IC element outside an office of an Inspector General, before issuing a report, 

regarding the findings and recommendations in the report? 

I believe that, consistent with what I believe to be common practice across the OIG community, 

it is appropriate to provide the agency a draft copy of a report to ensure factual accuracy before 

the report is finalized. Additionally, I believe it is common and appropriate to provide the report 

to the agency in final form with recommendations a short time before issuance for purposes of 

classification and to allow the agency an opportunity to prepare a written response, which would 

be attached to the report and analyzed by the OIG as appropriate. Importantly, the decision 

regarding what changes, if any, should be made in response to factual accuracy or other 

substantive comments is and must be solely that of the OIG. O!Gs also issue what are referred to 

as Management Advisory Memoranda to the agency when, during the course of audits, 

inspections, reviews, or investigations, they discover circumstances requiring the immediate 

attention of the agency or prompt corrective action. 

QUESTION 17: Under what circumstances, if any, do you believe it would be 

appropriate for senior NSA officials to request that the NSA OIG not investigate or 

review a particular matter? 

It is, I believe, appropriate and helpful to have good lines of communication with senior agency 

leadership, including the ability for the latter to raise any concerns or issues regarding the timing, 

usefulness, or impact of any proposed investigation or review. However, the ultimate decision as 

to whether or when to initiate any investigation or review must rest solely with the OIG 

consistent with its independent oversight role as provided in the Inspector General Act. As 

discussed in response to Question 12, to my knowledge, the only basis for preventing the NSA 

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OIG from initiating, carrying out, or completing an audit or investigation within its jurisdiction 

would be for the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, 

to invoke Section 8G of the Inspector General Act, based upon a determination that such a 

prohibition is necessary to protect vital national security interests of the United States. 

QUESTION 18: Under what circumstances, if any, do you believe it would be 

appropriate for senior NSA officials to request that the NSA OIG not issue a report 

on a particular matter? 

As discussed in response to Questions 12 and 17, Section 8G of the Inspector General Act 

provides the only mechanism of which I am aware to prevent the NSA OIG from issuing a 

report, based upon a determination by the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Director 

of National Intelligence, that such action is required to protect vital national security interests of 

the United States. 

QUESTION 19: Under what circumstances, if any, do you believe it would be 

appropriate for senior officials to request that the NSA OIG change findings, 

recommendations, or other pertinent material in a report on a particular matter? 

As stated in response to Question 16, I believe that, consistent with what I understand to be 

common practice across the OIG community, it is appropriate to provide the agency a draft copy 

of a report to ensure factual accuracy before the report is finalized. Additionally, I believe it is 

common and appropriate to provide the report in final form with recommendations a short time 

before issuance for purposes of classification and to allow the agency an opportunity to prepare a 

response, which would be attached to the report and analyzed as appropriate. However, the 

decision as to what changes, if any, are appropriate to findings, recommendations, or other 

pertinent material in a report rests solely with the Inspector General. 

QUESTION 20: Please describe your views on the appropriate relationship 

between the NSA OIG and the NSA Office of Congressional Affairs when 

communicating with the Congress. 

Consistent with its direct reporting requirement to Congress, the OIG should have direct 

communications with Congress. While it may be appropriate for the OIG to inform the agency 

regarding such communications, that is a decision that would rest solely with the OIG. 

QUESTION 21: What is your position on the role of the NSA OIG to monitor 

NSA adherence to Congressional intent and direction? 

I believe that the OIG is responsible for conducting independent oversight over all of the 

operations of the NSA, including its adherence to Congressional intent and direction in carrying 

out its broad functions and mission. 

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QUESTION 22: Please describe your views on the appropriate relationship 

between the NSA OIG and the NSA Office of General Counsel when those 

communications involve legal issues. 

An important provision under Section 3(g) the Inspector General Act is that each IG has access 

to legal advice from a counsel either reporting directly to the IGor another IG. While there may 

be circumstances under which it is appropriate for the NSA OIG's Counsel to consult with the 

NSA's Office of General Counsel regarding legal matters of mutual interest, it is important for 

the independence of the OIG that the IG is able to obtain independent legal advice regarding the 

operations of the OIG without relying on agency counsel for that purpose. 

Major Challenges, Problems, and Priorities 

QUESTION 23: In your view, what are the major challenges facing the NSA 

OIG? 

I am not aware of any specific major challenges that currently are facing the NSA OIG. Of 

course, the NSA will be transitioning to being an entity with a Presidentially appointed Senate 

confirmed IG, which I believe presents significant opportunities for development of the OIG's 

independent oversight activities with the goal of improving the integrity and efficiency of the 

agency's operations with appropriate responsiveness to Congress. Also, as discussed in response 

to prior questions, I believe that it is important that the OIG, and indeed all O!Gs, demonstrate 

through words and actions that they recognize the importance of whistleblowers to their work, 

and provide an atmosphere in which such individuals feel comfortable coming forward with 

information, and in which reprisal for doing so is not tolerated. It seems to me that this would be 

particularly important given the nature of much of the information that is dealt with at the NSA 

and within the JC. 

Personnel and Budgetary Resources o(the NRO OIG 

QUESTION 24: If confirmed, what changes, if any, would you expect to consider 

or make in the present OIG with regard to organization, staff qualifications, 

training, budget, or other features relevant to the effective performance of the 

duties of the new statutory office? 

I do not currently have sufficient information to assess what changes, if any, I would expect to 

consider or make if confirmed, regarding the organization or other features of the OIG, apart 

from taking whatever steps are necessary to ensure that the office is handling matters consistent 

with the principles set forth in the Inspector General Act and outlined in my responses to the 

Committee's questions. As is the case when entering any office, I would expect there to be a 

period in which I learn in detail about the operations of the organization and the issues it has 

faced, and that I would work with the team there on an ongoing basis to make revisions and 

improvements as necessary to ensure the quality and timeliness of our work. In order to inform 

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this process, and to encourage communications within the OIG, I would anticipate that, if 

confirmed, I would meet early on with personnel across the OIG to obtain their perspectives on 

the office and areas for potential improvement. This is something that I do with the IG on a 

regular basis at DOJ OIG, and have found to be extremely valuable in helping him to lead 

change within the organization. 

I also firmly believe that there is nothing more important for an organization than attracting, 

training, and developing the best possible talent. For example, at DOJ OIG, I worked with the 

IG to create a new Director of Training and Development to enhance our training and 

development efforts across the organization. I am not now in a position to know whether or what 

changes in this area might be appropriate at NSA OIG, but I do believe that such efforts are 

essential for developing and maintaining the capacity to produce high quality impactful work. 

Finally, I believe strongly in planning ahead, and looking forward as an organization so that 

investments in infrastructure, information technology, and other areas are made strategically, as 

opposed to being largely reactive. At DOJ OIG, we recently created and hired a Chief 

Innovation Officer, who reports directly to the IG and me, to look ahead to where we need to be 

in such mission critical areas and to provide expert advice to ensure that we are spending our 

resources wisely to get there. 

QUESTION 25: Under what circumstances, if any, do you believe that the use of 

contractors to perform such functions is appropriate? 

I believe that it is a common practice for OlGs to use contractors to perform financial statement 

and related audits, and also audits pursuant to the Federal Information Security Modernization 

Act (FISMA), both overseen and reviewed by OIG auditors. Additionally, there may be some 

technical support functions that can be performed by contractors, depending on the relative 

merits of using government employees or contractors for such work. Finally, there may be rare 

situations where particular expertise available in the private sector is not present within the OIG 

or the IG community, in which case it might be appropriate to consider utilization of a contractor 

to provide such services. However, as a general matter, I believe it is important that the core 

auditing, inspections, review, and investigations functions be performed by OIG employees. 

QUESTION 26: In your view, are there any barriers or disincentives, including 

any created by personnel policies, that impede the recruitment or retention of 

qualified IG personnel? If so, please describe. 

I do not have sufficient information to assess whether there currently are any barriers or 

disincentives in this area specific to the NSA OIG. Across the OIG community, I do believe that 

uncertainty in budgets makes planning difficult, including for personnel costs that constitute the 

greatest share of an OIG's budget. I believe that O!Gs do important and interesting work, but 

consistent with my response to Question 24, it is important for the OJG to provide training and 

other opportunities for professional growth and development, and to encourage employee 

engagement across the board in order to create an environment that is attractive to the personnel 

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necessary to accomplish our mission, and I believe that this would be particularly important in 

conducting oversight at an agency with complex and sophisticated operations like the NSA. 

QUESTION 27: Please describe how you will handle recusals for incoming OIG 

staff. Will you maintain the minimum floor established by OIG Management 

Directive 1-2? 

It is important that 010 personnel uphold the highest ethical standards. If confirmed, I will work 

with the 010 Counsel and others to ensure that all appropriate recusals are effected, and at least 

the minimum floor established by 010 Management Directive 1-2 is maintained. 

QUESTION 28: Please describe your views on the NSA OIG's role to oversee 

NSA support provided to the military commands. 

I understand that support to the military commands is a critical part of the NSA's mission. The 

010 has responsibility to conduct rigorous independent oversight over all of the NSA's 

operations in the performance of its mission. 

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON 

INTELLIGENCE 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

Additional Pre-Hearing Questions for 

Ms. Isabel Patelunas upon her nomination to be Assistant Secretary for 

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1. Please describe how, if confirmed as the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury 

for Intelligence and Analysis, you will be responsive to the Director of 

National Intelligence (DNI) and the Secretary of the Treasury. 

• Because of its dual character as a member of the Intelligence Community 

and the Department of the Treasury, OIA is positioned to serve as a 

critical bridge between the Intelligence Community and the Executive 

Branch's financial policymakers on issues of financial intelligence. If 

confirmed, I would support the DNI by leading O!A to be an agile 

organization that can respond to the complex and rapidly changing 

national security environment the US. continues to face, and by further 

integrating OIA in the Intelligence Community as the lead organization 

on financial intelligence. I would support the Secretary of the Treasury 

as the Department formulates policy and executes authorities through 

all-source analysis of global financial networks, the financial 

vulnerabilities of US. adversaries, the impact of targeted US. financial 

measures, and threats to international financial stability. 

2. If conflicts arise between the priorities of the DNI and the Secretary of the 

Treasury, how will you act to resolve them? 

• I am not aware of any conflicts between the priorities of the DNI and the 

Secretary of the Treasury. If I am confirmed and such a conflict does 

arise, I would work to resolve any conflicts in the best interest of the 

United States. 

3. Please explain your understanding ofOIA's responsibilities and authorities 

within the IC for coordinating, facilitating, or otherwise improving financial 

intelligence collection and analysis. Do you see OIA as the IC's lead agency 

on financial intelligence issues? 

• It is my understanding that OIA drives collection by IC counterparts on 

top Treasury priorities and produces all-source intelligence analysis to 

inform Treasury activities. Given its expertise and focus on the topic, I 

view OIA as the IC's leader on financial intelligence analysis, a role that 

also involves working collaboratively with partners across the IC 

4. Do you intend to comply with the president's executive order on 

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• If confirmed, I will comply with the President's Executive Order on 

ethics, including signing the ethics pledge. I will abide by any rules or 

procedures established by the White House with respect to any waivers 

granted by the President or his designee. 

5. Please describe your current understanding ofOIA's participation in the 

CFIUS process. Do you think OIA is positioned well to support the 

interagency in the CFIUS process? How do you see OIA evolving to better 

support the CFIUS process? 

• It is my understanding that OIA provides intelligence support to 

Treasury's role in the CFIUS process. If confirmed, I will seek 

opportunities for OIA to enhance its analytic contribution to this national 

security function. 

o Background: Press reporting describes the volume of CFIUS cases 

as increasing "considerably" or "dramatically; " some press 

reports describe case volume as "surging" or "skyrocketing." 

Exact case volumes for 2015, 2016, and 2017 have not been 

publicly released; 2014 case volume was 147. 

6. Please explain your understanding of how the oversight roles of the Senate 

Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select 

Committee differ from the oversight roles of other congressional committees 

that have oversight jurisdiction for other offices within TFI and the Treasury 

Department. 

• As a member of the Intelligence Community, OIAfalls under the 

oversight of the SSCI and the HPSCI. Both committees have a unique 

role in their jurisdiction to review the activities of Intelligence 

Community entities, assure that intelligence activities are lawful and 

Constitutional, and authorize funds for OIA. If confirmed, 1look forward 

to working with the intelligence committees as they fuljill their oversight 

role. 

7. OIA is the only component within the broader Treasury Department that is 

designated as an Intelligence Community element under the National 

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Security Act of 1947. With that comes challenges in coordination and 

information sharing both within the Treasury Department as a whole, and 

with the broader Intelligence Community. 

a. If confirmed, how would you protect IC-related information within 

the Treasury Department, while at the same time working with the IC 

and the congressional intelligence committees to ensure that we can 

accomplish our oversight obligations? 

o It is my understanding that OIA 's policies and practices on 

protecting IC-related information align with ODNI guidance. If 

confirmed, I would meet with my Security leadership team early on 

to ensure that is the case. At the same time, I am fully committed 

to engaging with OIA 's Congressional intelligence committees to 

assist you in accomplishing your oversight objectives. 

b. If confirmed, how will you ensure that OIA's intelligence information 

is protected from information requests directed to the Treasury 

Department writ large? 

o If confirmed, I will work with OIA and review the existing 

procedures and practices to ensure that classified information held 

by the Treasury Department continues to be appropriately handled 

and protected. 

8. In 2010, then-DNI Clapper established the National Intelligence Manager 

for Threat Finance (NIM-TF) and appointed Assistant Secretary Ireland to 

the position. 

What are your views on the policy of dual-hatting the Assistant 

Secretary as the NIM-TF? 

Treasury needs to remain as a central player in threat finance. Its 

workforce has significant expertise to bring to bear in this important 

and growing analytic and reporting area. I understand that the 

ODNI is doing a review of all of its positions, including NIMS, and if 

confirmed, I will engage early with both Treasury and ODNI leaders 

to determine the best use of resources to ensure that Treasury remains 

the focal point for Threat Finance. 

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a. If confirmed, how would you use your dual-hatted role to ensure the 

necessary integration with the broader IC's threat finance intelligence 

components and efforts? 

I have strong ties to many of the players in the IC, particularly ODNI 

and CIA. If confirmed, I will ensure that OIA leverages all IC and 

USG forums to ensure we are informing decisionmaking in a 

transparent and collaborative way, and reviewing all options and 

implications of USG actions. OIA will continue to take a leading role 

in threat finance efforts, helping to ensure that we are taking a wholeof-government approach. 

9. What legal authorities does OIA primarily rely upon to identify, disrupt, and 

dismantle terrorist financing? Do you believe there are additional legal tools 

that OIA needs for its efforts against terrorist financing? 

• I understand OIA supports Treasury and the US. Government under 

authorities that include Sections 311 and 312 ofTitle 31, US. Code, as 

well as Executive Order 12333, as amended. If confirmed, I will give 

careful attention to the question of whether OIA requires any additional 

legal authorities to enhance its mission in supporting the US. 

Government's whole-of-government approach to identifY, disrupt, and 

dismantle terrorist financing. 

10. What terrorist organizations are of most concern to OIA? Please describe 

how, if confirmed, you would proceed to identify, disrupt, and dismantle the 

financial networks of these organizations? 

• It is my understanding that OIA 's terrorism priorities are driven by 

national terrorism priorities. Accordingly, ISIS and its branches and AQ 

and its affiliates would be O!A 's primary concerns right now. I 

understand OIA is also looking with great concern at other terrorist 

groups operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan, such as the Tali ban and 

Haqqani Network, among others. It is also my understanding that OIA 

closely follows Iran's IRGC-Qods Force, Hizballah, and Hamas. 

IdentifYing funding networks that support these groups is a unique 

intelligence discipline, requiring the right mix of smart analysts, training, 

tools, and information. I have had the privilege of working with OIA 's 

terrorism analysts in previous positions and I know they are some of the 

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best in the !C. I would ensure that OIA retains its highly skilled 

workforce, that it can recruit and train top talent, and that its analysts 

have access to the tools and information they need to continue supporting 

the disruption of terrorist financial networks. 

11. If confirmed, how would you proceed to identify, disrupt, and dismantle the 

charities that raise money for terrorist organizations? 

• I understand OIA is critical to enhancing the collection, analysis, and 

sharing of financial intelligence across the U.S. Government on terroristlinked charities. 0/A analysts pore over all-source reporting to identify 

key vulnerabilities and support the application of Treasury authorities 

and policy tools. I plan, if confirmed, to review existing analysis on this 

topic and, if necessary, conduct a comprehensive evaluation of how 

charities may be involved in supporting terrorism. 

12. What are the challenges that OIA faces regarding virtual currencies, such as 

bitcoins, pre-paid cards, and other payment forms that are traditionally 

difficult to track? If confirmed, how would you address those challenges? 

• Like any payment system or financial product, virtual currencies and 

pre-paid cards offer opportunities for both legitimate and illegitimate 

use. The primary reason illicit actors use these products is the potential 

for greater anonymity in conducting financial transactions. It is my 

understanding that OIA works closely with Treasury counterparts and IC 

colleagues to gain greater fidelity into the range of tactics, techniques, 

and procedures used by terrorists, drug traffickers, and other illicit 

actors to obfuscate their financial activity. I will ensure that OIA analysts 

focus on both the financial networks associated with national security 

threats and laundering methodologies and financial technology more 

broadly in order to inform Treasury policymakers of potential 

vulnerabilities with non-traditional payment forms. 

13. It is critical that OIA have a workforce that is positioned to address the 

challenges posed by virtual currency, financing on the dark web, and other, 

new threats. How is OIA working to train and recruit a workforce that is 

fluent in how illicit financial networks operate? 

• I understand that OIA analysts receive training, mentors hip, and 

rotational opportunities to help them develop methodological skills and 

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fluency with tools and data for analyzing current and emerging illicit 

financial networks and mechanisms. Training and employee 

development would be a top priority of mine, if confirmed, including an 

emphasis on analytic tradecraft to ensure that OIA 's products continue to 

exceed IC standards and deliver value to customers. 

14. Recent unauthorized disclosures have motivated different IC elements to 

focus on their insider threat programs. How does OIA confront and mitigate 

the insider threat challenge? Do you have any plans to revisit and readdress 

those programs? 

• It is my understanding that Treasury's Insider Threat Program operates 

in accordance with Executive Order 13587. I believe that deterring and 

identifYing insider threats depends, among other things, on educating the 

workforce and maintaining robust insider threat capabilities consistent 

with applicable law, regulations, and policies. If confirmed, I will ensure 

that the Treasury Insider Threat Program continues to enhance its 

capabilities to confront and mitigate insider threats. 

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON 

INTELLIGENCE 

UNITED STATES SENATE 

Additional Pre-Hearing Questions for 

Ms. Susan Gordon upon her nomination to be 

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Responsibilities o(the Principal Deputv Director of National Intelligence 

QUESTION 1: Please explain your understanding of the responsibility of the Principal 

Deputy Director of National Intelligence (PDDNI) in the following capacities: 

a. To assist the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) in carrying out the DNI's 

duties and responsibilities; and 

b. To act in the DNI's place in the DNI's absence. 

The PDDNI is statutorily required to assist the DNI in carrying out the duties and 

responsibilities of the DNI, and to act for, and to exercise his/her powers in the event of an 

absence or disability. In practice, the PDDNI also executes the day-to-day management of 

the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) as it engages in its Intelligence 

Community (IC) oversight and support functions. These include reinforcing the DNI's 

priorities and executing his vision for the ODNI and the IC as a whole. 

QUESTION 2: Is your understanding that you and the DNI will divide responsibilities 

and that you will have a specific portfolio as PDDNI? If so, please describe this portfolio 

as you understand it. If not, please describe what you believe your primary 

responsibilities and activities will be, and on what areas you will concentrate. 

In addition to responsibilities of the PDDNI outlined in statute, regulation, and policy, I 

understand from DNI Coats that if I am confirmed, I will help him lead a broad overview of 

the roles and missions that have been assigned to the ODNI since its creation in 2004 to 

ensure they are well aligned to mission, and that they are best conducted by the ODNI. I also 

will engage the IC elements to ensure we have the policies, processes, and structures in place 

that best support the innovation and calculated risk taking that is necessary to keep our edge 

across the various IC disciplines. 

Given my background in technical and collection activities, I expect to use my expertise to 

appropriately help advance these activities. With the myriad threats facing the nation that 

have their basis in cyber activities, technical exploitation, and big data sets- to name just a 

few -I will also bring my years of experience to bear on these challenging issues so the 

Community can successfully move forward. 

QUESTION 3: What do you expect to be your specific management responsibilities 

within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI)? Is it your 

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If confirmed, I anticipate placing a strong focus on managing and leading the ODNI workforce 

as a whole. In my experience, I have found that the ODNI workforce is dedicated to the 

defense of the nation, and to best supporting the most effective integration of the I C. If 

confirmed at PDDNI, my focus will be to ensure they have the tools, resources, policies, and 

structures in place that will support them as they strive for excellence and that the focus of 

their efforts is appropriately placed. Under the current organizational structure, the Assistant 

Directors for National Intelligence, as well as the various component heads, report to the 

PDDNI. 

QUESTION 4: What will your role and responsibilities be in relation to the Deputy 

Director of National Intelligence for Infom1ation Integration (DDNI/Il) and the officials 

who report to him? 

If confirmed, I would oversee the ODNI staff and their interactions with the other 16 IC 

elements. The DONI/II is responsible for the integration of intelligence across the IC while the 

PDDNI is responsible for creating the environment that allows this to happen and for ensuring 

the adequate and appropriate resources, policies, infrastructure, and process to maximize 

intelligence integration. 

QUESTION 5: Please explain your understanding of the role of the DNI in overseeing 

elements of the Intelligence Community (IC) that reside within various departments of 

the federal government and for clements that are not housed within other departments. 

As Director Coats stated in his confirmation, the DNI serves as the "head coach" of the 

intelligence community, coordinating the efforts across the various IC elements. I think this 

approach makes good sense. Having served in multiple agencies in the IC, I understand that 

the strength of the IC is with the line organizations, and if confirmed as PDDNI, my 

responsibility would be to enable their mission success while driving a more integrated 

community. The ODNI can be a force multiplier in providing the most integrated intelligence 

that results from strong and innovative IC elements. 

If confirmed, I will ensure the perspectives and expertise of the IC elements are consistently 

considered and integrated, especially at the moment of decision-making. 

QUESTION 6: What issues have you discovered through your general observation, 

professional experience, or through your preparation for your contlrmation, with respect 

to the DNI's role in overseeing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)? What is your 

understanding of these issues? 

It is my strong belief that the true strength of the IC is with the many talented and varied 

elements who execute the mission with professionalism and an eye toward excellence every 

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day. The CIA is a foundational member of the IC, and has been granted special authorities 

and capabilities by the Congress and the President in support of its unique responsibilities. 

Although the Director of the CIA reports to the Director of National Intelligence, in practice it 

is more of a partnership, and one that continues to strengthen every day. As ODNI does with 

other IC elements, I expect it would partner with the Agency to enable its mission success. If 

confirmed, I will work to ensure that ODNI's oversight of the CIA is appropriately exercised as 

required by statute, and allows for the Agency's continued success. 

QUESTION 7: What issues have you discovered through your general observation, 

professional experience, or through your preparation for your confinnation, with respect 

to the DNI's role in overseeing intelligence elements of the Depmiment of Defense 

(DoD)? What is your understanding of these issues? 

The ODNI provides the Department of Defense (DoD) guidance on IC priorities to inform the 

DoD's budgetary decisions as they relate to the Military Intelligence Program (MIP), to ensure 

unity of effort and an integrated approach to meeting IC needs. As it relates to acquisitions, 

the DNI serves as the milestone decision authority if NIP equities are involved, ensuring IC 

and DoD intelligence systems are complementary. 

On a more personal level, as the Deputy Director of the National Geospatial-lntelligence 

Agency I was part of the leadership of a combat support agency and consequently recognize 

the criticality of providing timely, accurate, and actionable intelligence to the warfighter. I 

have seen first-hand how processes such as data availability, information security and 

classification can impact access and usability for the warfighters, and recognize that a balance 

is both necessary and achievable. I also believe the intelligence obtained by tactical DoD 

elements makes strategic intelligence more accurate and richer in overall detail. The ODNI 

worl<s in partnership with the DoD as they collectively oversee the NRO, NGA, NSA, DIA and 

the intelligence elements of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps to enable their 

mission success and ensure that the intelligence necessary for mission success is accessible to 

the warfighter. 

QUESTION 8: What issues have you discovered through your general observation, 

professional experience, or through your preparation for your confinnation, with respect 

to the DNI's role in overseeing intelligence elements of other departments of the United 

States Government? What is your understanding of these issues? 

Over the past five years, I have observed the IC elements become increasingly integrated in a 

way that facilitates mission effectiveness and allows operational efficiency. The integration 

of information from critically important agencies, such as the FBI and DHS, has significantly 

improved the quality and breadth of the IC's strategic intelligence. At the same time, other 

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non-Title 50 agencies are making significant strides in both improving their access to IC 

products, as well as providing unique insights to IC problem sets and threat indicators. 

In practice, the ODNI's oversight of intelligence elements in other U.S. government 

departments requires a coordinated approach to ensure priorities are aligned. Having come 

from NGA, I understand first-hand what it is like to serve Cabinet-level principals, and if 

confirmed, I will take that perspective with me into the position as PDDNI to ensure that the 

joint oversight construct enables mission. 

QUESTION 9: Do you believe additional legislation is needed to clarify or strengthen 

the authorities and responsibilities of the DNI with respect to the IC? 

At this time, I do not believe that additional legislation is needed to strengthen the 

authorities of the ON I. However, as we look towards the future, we may need to reexamine 

the legal and policy structures the Intelligence Community operate under to ensure the 

Intelligence Community remains agile as we respond both together and as individual 

elements to new and emerging threats in a timeframe demanded by the pace of change. As a 

career intelligence officer, I have seen firsthand the success the ODNI has had working with 

and supporting the Intelligence Community. If confirmed, I will work to build upon these 

successes and help position the Intelligence Community for the future. 

Keeping the Congressional Intelligence Committees Fully and Currently 

In(ormed 

QUESTION 10: Please explain your understanding of the DNI's obligations under 

Sections 502 and 503 of the l\'ational Security Act of 1947. 

Title V of the National Security Act sets forth requirements to keep Congress informed of 

Intelligence Community activities. Specifically, Section 502 requires the DNI and the heads of 

all departments and agencies involved in intelligence activities to keep the congressional 

intelligence committees fully and currently informed of all intelligence activities, including 

significant anticipated intelligence activities and any significant intelligence failures. 

Section 503 requires that the congressional intelligence committees be kept currently and 

fully informed of all covert action programs. In extraordinary circumstances, notification of a 

covert actions may be limited, consistent with the need to protect national security. 

QUESTION 11: Does the PDDNI have any responsibilities to ensure that all 

departments, agencies, and other entities of the United States Government involved in 

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intelligence activities in general, and covert action in particular, comply with the 

reporting requirements in Sections 502 and 503 of the National Security Act of 1947? 

The PDDNI, like all ODNI employees, assists the DNI in carrying out his statutory authorities 

under the National Security Act, which includes ensuring compliance by the Intelligence 

Community elements with the Constitution and laws of the United States. If confirmed, I will 

assist the DNI in the critical responsibility of ensuring that aiiiC elements are in full 

compliance with the law, including Sections S02 and 503 of the National Security Act. 

QUESTION 12: Under what circumstances, if any, do you believe notification should 

be limited to the Chairman and Vice Chairman or Ranking Member of the congressional 

intelligence committees? 

Under the law, congressional notifications must be made with due regard for the protection 

from unauthorized disclosure of classified intelligence sources and methods and other 

exceptionally sensitive matters. This is not a limit on whether the intelligence committees 

must be kept informed about intelligence activities; rather, it simply provides flexibility on 

how and when to bring extremely sensitive matters to the full committees' attention. 

Section 503 permits the President to temporarily limit access to a Covert Action finding or 

notification to meet extraordinary circumstances affecting the vital interests of the U.S. I 

believe limited notifications should be rare and should be done only in exceptional 

circumstances. 

National Security Threats 

QUESTION 13: What do you view as the principal threats to national security with 

which the IC must concern itself in the coming years? Please explain the basis for your 

views. 

In the next several years, threats will likely continue to come from a variety of sources, 

including nation state actors, cyber, terrorism, and humanitarian crises. 

Nation State Actors 

Key nation states continue to pursue agendas that pose substantial risks to U.S. interests. 

China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran all remain a concern, as does the situation in the Middle 

East. Each creates unique challenges and must continue to be examined closely by the IC to 

inform decisions facing the administration. 

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China Sea, relations with Taiwan, and its pursuit of economic engagement across East Asia. 

In 2017, Russia is likely to be more assertive in global affairs, more unpredictable in its 

approach to the United States, and more authoritarian in its approach to domestic politics. 

Emboldened by Moscow's ability to affect battlefield dynamics in Syria and by the emergence 

of populist and more pro-Russian governments in Europe, President Vladimir Putin is likely to 

take proactive actions that advance Russia's great power status. 

North Korea's weapons program, public threats, and defiance of the international 

community, confrontational military posturing, cyber activities, and potential for internal 

instability pose a complex and increasingly grave national security threat to the U.S. and its 

interests. 

Iran remains an enduring threat to US national interests because of its support to anti-US 

terrorist groups and militants, the Asad regime, Huthi rebels in Yemen, and its development 

of advanced military capabilities. Iran's leaders are focused on thwarting US and Israeli 

influence and countering what they perceive as a Saudi-led effort to fuel Sunni extremism 

and terrorism against Iran and Shia communities throughout the region. 

The Syrian regime, backed by Russia and Iran, will maintain its momentum on the battlefield, 

but the regime and the opposition are not likely to agree on a political settlement in 2017. 

Damascus has committed to participate in peace talks but is unlikely to offer more than 

cosmetic concessions to the opposition. 

Cyber 

In the cyber realm, our adversaries are becoming more adept at using cyberspace to threaten 

our interests and advance their own. Despite improving cyber defenses, nearly all 

information, communication networks, and systems will be at risk for years. 

Terrorism 

The worldwide threat from terrorism will remain geographically diverse and multifaceted-a 

continuing challenge for the United States, our allies, and partners who seek to counter it. 

Sunni violent extremists will continue to embroil conflict zones in the Middle East, Africa, and 

South Asia. 

US-based homegrown violent extremists will remain the most frequent and unpredictable 

Sunni violent extremist threat to the US homeland. 

A joint UN-Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons investigation concluded 

that ISIS used the chemical warfare agent sulfur mustard in an attack in 2015, and reports 

that it has used chemicals in additional attacks in Iraq and Syria suggest that such CW use 

continued. We also are concerned about the possibility that terrorists might develop 

biological warfare capabilities. Since no terrorist group will be able to conduct a nuclear 

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attack without first acquiring nuclear material, and no group will be able to produce its own 

nuclear material, the IC should remain vigilant in monitoring foreign nuclear programs for the 

potential loss or theft of nuclear materials or weapons. 

Instability from Humanitarian Crises 

Finally, severe humanitarian crises will be fueled by conflict, adverse environmental 

conditions, and natural disasters. These crises can, in turn, degrade political and economic 

stability, strain international assistance efforts, and produce significant internal and external 

migration. We are closely monitoring ongoing humanitarian crises in Yemen, Somalia, 

Nigeria, South Sudan, central Africa, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. 

QUESTION 14: In your opinion, and based on your experience in the IC, how has the 

TC performed in adjusting its policies, resource allocations, planning, training, and 

programs to address these threats? 

In general, I believe the IC is making good progress in addressing the dynamic and 

geographically diffuse threats facing our nation. Over the past five years, I have experienced a 

more integrated IC, and continue to be encouraged by the progress the IC as a whole 

continues to make. 

For example, in my experiences with the "hard target campaigns" the ODNI and DoD use to 

focus on specific problems, I see coordinated interagency efforts across resources, plans, 

policies, and other areas to address complex, emerging threats. 

The breadth of threats to the U.S., its allies, and its interests continues to expand; the 

challenge the IC faces is responding to these threats given the challenge of global coverage in 

a period of stagnant or declining resources. Nonetheless, our responsibility is to ensure that 

as a collective, we leverage those resources in the most effective manner. 

Management Challenges Facing the Intelligence Community 

QUESTION IS: Apart from national security threats discussed in your prior responses, 

and based on your experience in the IC, what do you consider to be the highest priority 

management challenges facing the ODNI and the broader TC? 

Intelligence is about delivering advantage to the policymaker in support of U.S. national 

security objectives. The ODNI and the broader IC need to consider threats and problems sets 

just over the horizon. To do this, we need to encourage and foster innovation. 

Throughout my career, I have never accepted as an answer "that is the way we have always 

done it." Rather, I regularly take a fresh look at how we do business to assess whether there 

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are better ways to approach problems through new technology, new partnerships, or 

streamlined processes. 

This willingness to consider changed conditions that might drive different approaches also 

helps us evaluate whether we are spending our limited resources in the right areas to ensure 

we are delivering the best intelligence to policymakers. We must continue to do so, while 

maintaining our current missions, which is not an easy balance to achieve. 

Resources in a Challenging Budget Environment 

QUESTION 16: Given the Nation's current financial situation, what are your views on 

the intelligence budget in the short-, medium-, and long-term? 

Over the past few years, building the intelligence budget has been a challenging endeavor. 

Under a persistent cloud of budget uncertainty, the IC has preserved its core mission, 

protected our workforce and key capabilities, while taking incremental reductions across the 

enterprise and making hard choices to eliminate or reduce intelligence capabilities in order to 

have room to advance the mission. 

The recent FY 2018 budget submission represents the first step in a multi-year effort to re-set 

and strengthen intelligence capabilities and improve readiness. I believe the IC has charted a 

course that will perpetuate this objective into the future. But make no mistake, without 

relief from Budget Control Act-mandated levels, long term planning will remain incredibly 

difficult and we will run the risk that our rate of change will be insufficient to keep up with 

the growth in mission need or adversarial capability. 

QUESTION 17: From your experience as Deputy Director of the National GeospatialIntclligcnce Agency and in your multiple positions at CIA, please describe your 

understanding of the requirements and appropriate practice in obtaining Congressional 

concurrence for reprogrammings and releases from reserves. 

I recognize that the IC can obligate or expend appropriated funds for an intelligence activity 

only if Congress specifically authorizes those funds for the activity. 

The IC Chief Financial Officer is delegated day-to-day responsibility for the review and 

submission of all reprogramming and transfer actions as specified within the National 

Security Act of 1947, as amended, in concert with language provided within annual 

appropriations or intelligence authorization acts. 

The IC CFO also issues Reprogramming and Transfer guidelines to aiiiC Program offices and 

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has developed a training program for the Program CFO Staff that addresses reprogramming 

and transfer legal requirements, policies and submission procedures. 

Office o(the Director o(Nationallntelligence 

There has been considerable debate in Congress concerning the appropriate size and 

function of the ODNI. Congress has considered various proposals to address these 

issues. In answering the questions that follow, please address the ODNI's staff functions 

and the specific ODNI components. 

QUESTION 18: What is your view of the ODNI's size and function? 

ODNI has a diverse set of functions and responsibilities. These have evolved since the ODNI's 

creation over a decade ago, and will likely continue to do so. In my initial review of the 

Office, I noted that the majority of the workforce is assigned to major mission centers: NCTC, 

NCPC, NCSC, CTIIC and the Intelligence Integration component (including the National 

Intelligence Council and the President's Daily Briefing staff). While the organization appears 

to be efficiently and effectively run, if confirmed, the DNI and I will thoroughly and carefully 

review each component and continue to seek ways to enhance mission effectiveness and 

improve efficiency. 

QUESTION 19: Do you believe that the ODNI has sufficient personnel resources to 

carry out its statutory responsibilities effectively? 

If confirmed, one of my first responsibilities will be to answer this very question as part of a 

broader review of the ODNI's roles, missions, and resources. 

QUESTION 20: In your view, what are the competing values and interests at issue in 

determining to what degree there should be a permanent cadre of personnel at the ODNI, 

or at any of its components, and to what degree the ODNI should utilize detailees from 

the IC elements? 

The mix of cadre and detailees is a function of the need for continuity and expertise over time 

(cadre), and the desire to avoid of an entrenched cadre bureaucracy (detailees). Additionally, 

by providing opportunities for joint duty from other IC elements, we allow these officers to 

understand the mission and value of the ODNI. ODNI also provides opportunities for cadre to 

go on detail assignments in order to grow and broaden professionally. This provides the best 

community expertise for key IC jobs that rest solely in ODNI (National Intelligence Officers, 

National Intelligence Managers, I ARPA Program Managers, other subject matter experts). 

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QUESTION 21: Do you believe that the ODNI is adding sufficient value to justify its 

large staff and budget? If not, what do you intend to do to reverse that perception? 

The DNI and ODNI have a diverse set of responsibilities under law and Executive Order with 

the majority of the ODNI workforce is assigned to the major mission centers, including the 

NCTC, NCSC, and NCPC, whose responsibilities are also legislatively mandated. Many of the 

functions performed by the ODNI are required by statute. While the ODNI appears to be an 

effective and efficiently run organization, I recognize the ODNI must earn the trust and 

support of the IC elements every day and must deliver unique value to the nation's security. 

If confirmed, I will do what I have done for my career and make sure that every investment of 

America's resources delivers mission outcome. 

QUESTION 22: Describe your understanding of the role played by National 

Intelligence Managers (NIMs) under ODNI's current structure and organization. 

NIMs serve as the principal advisor to the DNI and PDDNI on all aspects of intelligence related 

to their region or function and ensure IC integration and synchronization. They develop 

community-wide strategies that focus areas and priorities, identifies gaps, and develops 

initiatives to address these gaps. A key aspect of the NIM role is to ensure there are 

appropriate resources to address these many needs. 

If confirmed, !look forward to learning how we can best balance the IC's limited resources 

against such needs, and leverage cross-community and cross-discipline solutions. 

WikiLeaks and ln(ormation Sharing 

QUESTION 23: Has information sharing expanded too broadly beyond those with a 

·'need to know"? 

No. The IC is always trying to find the right balance between information sharing initiatives 

and the need to safeguard classified information, and those who betray their oaths of secrecy 

are the most insidious of adversaries. However, we cannot and should not step backward in 

terms of information sharing. Instead, we should adopt the "trust, but verify" perspective. 

In 2011, the Executive Branch formally established the National Insider Threat Task Force 

(NITTF), co-chaired by the DNI and the Attorney General, to assist this effort. The NITTF 

promulgated the "National Insider Threat Policy and Minimum Standards for Executive 

Branch Insider Threat Programs," providing an implementation framework for the 

departments and agencies to guard against this threat. Since that time, the Executive Branch 

has made significant progress in implementing this national policy, promoting the deterrence, 

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detection, and mitigation of compromises to classified information to ensure that we 

appropriately balance need to know and need to share. 

QUESTION 24: What recommendations do you have to ensure that the IC does not 

curtail information sharing too much as a response to WikiLeaks? 

Information sharing must be done in balance with effective safeguarding efforts. 

In application, our insider threat programs must take a holistic approach to identifying 

anomalous activity, contextualizing these events, and coordinating appropriate 

organizational responses. The end goal is not to catch malicious insiders after the 

compromise, but rather to proactively engage the workforce in a manner that preempts the 

compromise of classified information. 

However, it is also worth discussing the issue of over classification. Classifying information 

requires resources to manage, track, store, and archive. The more information we classify, 

the more resources we consume in the management of this information. We need aiiiC 

employees, from the most junior to the most senior, to make deliberate classification 

decisions. 

QUESTION 25: What views and recommendations do you have on implementing audit 

systems to identify IC employees who misuse their access to information? 

IC employees who misuse their access to intelligence information not only violate law and/or 

policy, they violate the public's trust and degrade the public's confidence in the integrity of 

the IC as a whole. 

Further, with today's technological capability for rapidly moving massive volumes of data 

from information systems, it is imperative that we have safeguards in place to detect such 

nefarious activity as close to near real time as possible. 

I support the auditing and monitoring user activity programs in place across the I C. These are 

a critical piece of effective insider threat programs because of the confidence we gain in 

knowing what is happening to information we share. 

Cvbersecuritv 

QUESTION 26: If confirmed, what will your cyberseeurity-related responsibilities 

entail? 

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Given my history and experience with cyber, from both an operational and management 

perspective, I expect to play an active role in overseeing cyber related issues including IC 

policy development, operational considerations, and safeguarding IC systems. I will also be 

responsible for ODNI's management of threat and asset response for the integrated defense 

of the IC information environment. 

If confirmed, I will assist the DNI in his cyber security responsibilities, and to ensure the ODNI 

and the entire IC has the resources needed to support intelligence integration related to 

cyber security. 

QUESTION 27: In 2015, President Obama directed the DNI to establish the Cyber 

Threat Intelligence Integration Center (CTIIC) to provide all-source analysis connecting 

foreign cybersecurity threats to the United States and our national interests, as well as to 

assist other federal departments and agencies in identifying, investigating, and mitigating 

these cybersecurity threats. 

A. Arc you familiar with the CTIIC? 

B. How well do you believe the CTTIC initiative is being executed? 

C. What changes, if any, would you recommend to the CTIIC's role vis-a-vis the 

IC? 

I am familiar with the CTIIC. While I was at CIA, lied a study for the Director of CIA that 

advocated for a community cyber analytic center, so I was very glad when CTIIC was 

established to provide the integrated analysis in support of situational awareness, cyber 

event response, and opportunity analysis that the cyber community and policymakers need. 

I and others have been impressed by how CTIIC has established its role in a short amount of 

time (18 months) without going beyond its intended coordination mission. The Center has 

addressed our long-standing gap of rapidly providing collective situational awareness of the 

most significant cyber threats we face. They've done this through timely products that 

translate technical information for a broader audience, highlight the threats that give most 

cause for concern, and--perhaps most important for those without a technical backgroundthey convey the information in a plain-English way that informs decision-making. 

I think it is probably too early recommend changes to CTIIC at this time, although I'm open to 

the possibility as I review all ODNI entities, if confirmed. 

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QUESTION 28: What should the ODNI's role be, within the broader IC, to protect 

United States critical infrastructure and commercial computer networks from foreign 

cybersecurity threats, as well as from supply chain-related cybersecurity threats? 

The IC is responsible for collecting, analyzing, producing and disseminating intelligence on 

foreign cyber threats and supply chain-related cybersecurity threats. The DNI, though various 

ODNI offices, leads the IC in generating and integrating information on foreign cyber threats. 

When threat intelligence supports the needs of critical infrastructure and other private sector 

entities, this information is made available to federal partners such as DHS, FBI, and USG 

sector specific agencies for sharing with the private sector. 

QUESTION 29: What cyber threat information (classified or unclassified) should be 

shared with the United States' critical infrastructure managers to enable them to protect 

their networks from cyber attacks? 

The ODNI and the wider IC supports DHS, FBI, and USG sector specific agencies to implement 

mechanisms for sharing both classified and unclassified cyber threat information with 

regulators, state and local governments, and critical infrastructure owner/operators, 

consistent with the need to protect sources and methods, and existing law and regulation. 

Our responsibility as an IC is to produce intelligence with ever more fidelity to understand the 

nature of the threat and to find appropriate ways to make our data and assessments 

appropriately available. 

Science & Technology and Research & Development 

QUESTION 30: How do you assess the state of research and development (R&D) 

activities within the IC? 

Because of our R&D investments at both Community and IC element levels, the IC has been 

able to maintain its technological and intelligence dominance over our adversaries by 

developing an outstanding set of technical capabilities. However, our adversaries are 

expending more money and working hard each day to overcome our intelligence advantage. 

We must pursue bold action in order to sustain our lead into the future and the IC can make 

more progress in this regard. 

I am, however, encouraged by our increasing outreach to the private sector. IARPA, perhaps 

one of the more visible examples of the IC's R&D effort, has funded research at over 500 

organizations, mostly universities and small businesses, to address key IC S& T challenges. 

Within ODNI, the Assistant Director for Acquisition, Technology, and Facilities formed a 

partnership with industry that has provided insight into novel and innovative R&D 

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opportunities. The IC's expanding use of prize challenges and other creative acquisition tools 

are drawing in non-traditional researchers to help solve our hardest technical challenges. 

Finally, there are some really ground-breaking activities going on at individuaiiC elements, 

like the work NGA is doing in process automation and developing artificial intelligence to help 

manage geospatial-intelligence collection and processing. 

QUESTION 31: What changes, if any, need to be made in the IC regarding R&D? 

For the IC to continue to deliver revolutionary capabilities, we need to ensure: (a) that our 

R&D organizations are properly resourced, (b) that our technology transition and R&D 

acquisition processes are agile and responsive, and (c) that our R&D strategies of the IC 

elements are truly forward looking. 

We also need to support robust investments in R&D, particularly in classified basic research -

both to develop a pipeline of cleared researchers, and to lay the foundation of new science 

that leads to future intelligence breakthroughs. Finally, we need to be open to disruptive 

ideas, and create business processes that allow us to be agile and responsive to new 

challenges and opportunities. 

JC Missions and Capabilities 

QUESTION 32: Please explain your views of the current quality of the IC's intelligence 

analysis. 

What I saw first-hand at NGA was the quality, scope, and relevant of IC analysis consistently 

improving. IC elements have also improved in their efforts to incorporate effective visual 

information, a newly introduced tradecraft standard. 

However, the massive and increasing amounts of data pose unique challenges for the IC, and 

we need to position ourselves to stay ahead of the swell. We must leverage leading edge 

data analytics, advanced data technologies, and processing speeds because we cannot grow 

the analytic workforce to meet the exponential growth of data in this digital age. And then 

we must go further. 

QUESTION 33: If confirmed, what steps would you take to improve the IC's 

intelligence analysis? 

The IC must continue to enhance integration of the analytic enterprise and enhance its 

relationships with other parts of the IC, academia, and the private sector. In particular, the IC 

must continue its commitment to shared experiences, such as joint duty and joint training, 

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which will enable trust, build stronger collaborative work practices, and help break down 

stovepipes. The IC must continue to maintain high standards for the quality and objectivity of 

analysis. 

In my view, the analytic community must become capable "data swimmers", able to navigate 

large swaths of data efficiently and effectively, with tools and technology. Our systems must 

assist them by making the data available and accessible, and the existing infrastructure must 

support the sharing of that data. 

Finally, the IC must invest in future technologies that not only improve our ability to issue 

timely reports across a vast breadth of issues, but that also take the next step and see beyond 

the swell and over the horizon, and to better predict future events. The IC needs to be able 

to both access and assess more data so that our analysis increasingly skews towards 

anticipating vice reporting. 

QUESTION 34: Please explain your views of the current quality of the IC's intelligence 

collection. 

The IC's collection performance against a wide variety targets that threaten U.S. interests is 

robust, and will improve even more with the delivery of new collection systems and 

platforms over the next several years. However, in the IC, demand continues to outpace 

supply so effective collection management requires balancing sometimes conflicting 

requirements and maximizing the varied capabilities of our collection systems to achieve the 

best possible result for decision-makers. 

QUESTION 35: What are your recommendations for improving the quality of the IC's 

intelligence collection? 

Our adversaries are constantly improving their capabilities to deny us information and we 

must seek innovative ways to defeat their efforts. To maintain our competitive advantage, 

the IC must continue to invest and re-invest in its most important collection assets. No one 

approach will work for the issues we face today. 

If confirmed, I will lead the development of innovative collection capabilities, strengthen our 

abilities to process and assess data, and strengthen the skills of our people who collect 

information and manage our collection strategies. 

And we need to look where industry can help. The explosive growth of the commercial 

marketplace as it relates to computing power, processing speed, and data collection is driving 

the government away from government-specific solutions, and it should. We must embrace 

what is increasingly openly available and address how it can best be accessed and used. The 

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growth in commercially-available imagery and communications systems are just two such 

examples, but I am certain there are countless others. 

By investing in new technical capabilities, strengthening current critical assets, building the 

necessary supporting architecture, and leveraging a healthy commercial market, we will 

position ourselves to tackle current and future challenges. 

QUESTION 36: If confirmed, what role would you have with regard to intelligence 

collection, and what steps would you take to improve the IC's intelligence collection? 

If confirmed, I will use my position to better integrate the disparate collection functions, and 

drive innovation to close intelligence gaps. I will encourage initiatives aimed at improving 

effectiveness and efficiency, such as cross-agency collection orchestration, and to improve 

the data available to analysts. I would also advocate for continued partnerships across the 

government and with the private sector, capitalizing on their unique expertise and R&D 

investments to seek cost-effective solutions to the IC's most vexing problems. 

QUESTION 37: Please explain your views of the IC's use of contractors. 

Based on my experience at both CIA and NGA, contractors play an important role in the work 

we do. In fact, throughout the IC's history, it's worth mentioning that there have been few 

significant accomplishments without the support of industry or private sector partners. 

Contract personnel are part of an integrated team of professionals who bring remarkable, 

often rare expertise. They support U.S. government personnel in performing mission and 

mission support activities. They are an excellent source of highly qualified experts, and often 

provide a level of technical depth not found in government. Additionally, contracting staff 

can help surge support to tackle and emerging needs as we engage in the slower (but 

necessary) process of workforce transformation. 

QUESTION 38: In your view, has the IC achieved a proper balance of government and 

contractor personnel? Please explain the basis for your response. 

I believe the crucial operating principle here is how well the government directs and oversees 

contractors. To do this effectively, it requires a government staff able to ensure contractors 

meet their contractual obligations in an ethical manner. We must have remarkable skill and 

capability in our government cadre; everything starts with this. 

The lifting of the civilian personnel position caps in the FY17 Intelligence Authorization Act 

will allow for a consistent approach to strategic workforce planning and budget alignment 

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across the I C. If confirmed, I would support Director Coats' commitment to find the right 

balance of contractors and to uphold his long interest to find the best value for the taxpayer's 

dollars. 

QUESTION 39: In your view, are there some functions that contractors should not 

conduct, or for which the IC's use of contractors should be discouraged or require 

additional approvals, including by the DNI? Please describe the basis for your response. 

Yes, contractors should not perform inherently governmental functions, such as making 

decisions on how we use or allocate resources, conduct monetary transactions or prioritize 

work. Further, contractors should not be the driver for more or new work. I have believed 

and acted on this foundational principle throughout my career. 

QUESTION 40: If confirmed, would you recommend changes to the security clearance 

process regarding IC contractors and/or Federal employees? 

If confirmed, I would continue to advocate for the ongoing modernization efforts of the 

security clearance process with regard to the entire federal workforce- to include 

contractors, government civilians, and military personnel. 

I would specifically want to focus on improving the oversight and management of the 

workforce security clearance process- both contractor and Federal employee -emphasizing 

standardization and consistency in application to address any gaps that impact an individual's 

eligibility for access to classified information. I also want to ensure the IC establishes 

processes that effectively and prudently enable the movement of these cleared national 

security professionals between the private/public communities, something increasingly 

commonplace in today's IC careerists. 

QUESTION 41: Please explain what your responsibilities would be, if confirmed, in 

making decisions or recommendations concerning IC oftkials' accountability with 

respect to matters of serious misconduct. 

The PDDNI assists the DNI in carrying out his statutory responsibility to ensure compliance 

with the Constitution and laws of the United States by elements of the Intelligence 

Community. If confirmed, I would work with the DNI to ensure that IC elements promptly, 

objectively, and completely investigate any allegation that an IC official engaged in serious 

misconduct. These investigations might be conducted by the IC element, the applicable 

Inspector General, or the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community. 

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Although IC elements, and in turn their overarching Department or Agency, are principally 

responsible for addressing allegations of misconduct, I expect that IC element heads will take 

appropriate disciplinary actions when warranted. If I believe an IC element has failed to take 

appropriate action in response to allegation or evidence of misconduct, it would be my duty, 

if I am confirmed, to raise the issue with the DNI and, if appropriate, recommend an 

accountability review. 

QUESTION 42: Please explain your responsibilities, if confirmed, to ensure that 

performance and rewards systems across the IC agencies are fair and equitable. 

Rewarding employees for high performance and exceptional professionalism is a core 

function for leadership. Research suggests that the right rewards and recognition are 

important motivators and reinforce behaviors that lead to higher performance. More simply, 

you value what you reward. Doing this in a fair and equitable manner is of the utmost 

importance. 

The IC is always looking for ways to influence performance and to drive the behaviors that 

will make us successful. If confirmed, I will work closely with the Chief Human Capital Officer 

to ensure we are approaching the rewards process in an effective, fair, and equitable manner 

across the enterprise and supportive of our values and missions. 

Financial Management and Infrastructure 

QUESTION 43: If confirmed, what role do you expect to have in reviewing business 

system investments in the IC? 

Each IC element has business systems in place to ensure the smooth functioning of routine 

administrative functions; some of these systems have been in place for decades and may no 

longer be responsive to current mission or operating conditions. I would expect that the IC's 

movement to a common Information Technology Enterprise would enhance the IC's ability to 

integrate some of these systems to find economies of scale, and I would look to encourage 

that wherever possible. 

QUESTION 44: What responsibilities have you had at the NGA for producing financial 

statements? 

As the Deputy Director at NGA, I had primary responsibility for senior engagement with our 

independent auditors to ensure organizational responsiveness, understand progress and 

remove impediments to the goal of a clean audit. Additionally, through my Enterprise 

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Oversight Counsel (effectively and accountability board), I reviewed regularly the goals and 

plans to achieve objectives, overcome deficiencies, and drive progress. 

During my tenure, we made significant, steady progress toward auditability and a clean audit. 

Moreover, I believe I put into place a culture and process that will make a clean audit a reality 

in the foreseeable future. 

Acquisitions 

QUESTION 45: What is your assessment of the IC's current acquisitions capability? 

Intelligence Community Major System Acquisitions (MSAs) are generally achieving affordable 

and timely capability deliveries. This year's assessment of IC MSA progress reveals the IC's 

continued ability to meet or exceed IC-wide cost, schedule and performance threshold goals. 

Since the creation of the ODNI, the IC has shown improvements in reducing development 

timelines, and so I believe the ODNI acquisition polices have had a positive impact on 

acquisitions. 

However, these successes do not mean that there is no room for further improvements - in 

fact, the potential to facilitate technology insertion and acquisition streamlining across the IC 

Agencies and within ODNI processes, provides potential efficiency improvements in the 

delivery of enhanced mission. 

If confirmed, I would propose to the DNI a review of our current acquisition policies and 

practices to determine if we can introduce even more agility and innovation into our 

acquisition programs without introducing unacceptable mission, budget or schedule risk. 

QUESTION 46: Do you believe the space industrial base specifically, and the 

intelligence industrial base more generally, are capable of producing the number of 

complex systems the IC and the DoD demand of them on time and within budget? 

I believe the space and intelligence industrial base is sufficiently capable of producing the 

systems required of the I C. We have witnessed this through our recent success in major 

systems acquisitions. All of our current major space acquisitions are executing within cost 

and on schedule. Additionally, as we go forward with future acquisitions, we are able to 

compete among multiple prime vendors and are not bound to sole-source contracts. 

Competition and the industrial base must be key considerations as we develop acquisition 

strategies and conduct milestone review for our major programs. As just one example, 

recent growth of the commercial space industry has improved the industrial base as some 

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companies are no longer reliant on the U.S. government as the sole or major source of 

revenue. 

Department o(De(ense 

QUESTION 47: Please explain your understanding of the need to balance the 

requirements of national and tactical consumers, specifically between establishing a 

unified intelligence effort that includes DoD intelligence elements with the continuing 

requirement that combat support agencies be able to respond to the needs of military 

commanders. 

The need to balance national and tactical consumer requirements is crucial when national 

requirements related to long-term issues can quickly become a near-term crisis. The IC should 

not focus on just one or the other but ensure there is strategic planning that can be flexible 

enough to warn and respond to emerging threats, crises, and opportunities. Joint intelligence 

efforts between the IC and DoD are valuable in achieving such a balance. 

The key is to always focus on needs and then to consider satisfaction of those needs across 

the whole spectrum of available capabilities (from IC to DoD, commercial to clandestine, 

overhead to ground), and not just within each individual system. It requires a "system of 

systems" approach. 

QUESTION 48: What concerns do you have, if any, as to the IC's ability to support war 

zones while still retaining its full capabilities to conduct missions outside of war zones? 

Over time, the IC has largely been able to adjust and balance its analytic and collection 

resources to cover war zone operations and other important intelligence requirements. The 

IC has accomplished this through better optimization of collection and analytic activities. 

We've sought efficiencies across agencies and worked with foreign and domestic partners to 

mitigate global coverage risks and ensure our responsiveness to policymakers' priorities. The 

IC routinely takes steps to adjust collection and analytic postures to address emerging threats 

and monitor potential crises. And one of the goals of IT modernization is to allow the reach 

necessary to provide useful intelligence to even the most disadvantaged user. 

However, even in war zones, IC resources do not provide ubiquitous coverage, which results 

in accounting for some level of risk across all regional areas and cross cutting issues. In some 

cases, the IC's enhanced focus in war zones also brings resources into a region that might 

incidentally enhance our capabilities in adjoining countries/regions. 

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Covert Action 

QUESTION 49: What is your view of the DNI's responsibility to supervise, direct, or 

control the conduct of covert action by the CIA? 

By law, any decision to employ covert action as a tool of national security strategy will be 

made by the President of the United States. The President has charged the Director of the 

CIA with the responsibility for supervising, directing, or controlling the conduct of covert 

action programs. The DNI is responsible to oversee and provide advice to the President and 

the NSC with respect to ongoing and proposed covert action programs. The DNI and the 

heads of all departments, agencies, and entities of the United States Government keep the 

Congressional intelligence committees fully and currently informed of covert action activities. 

QUESTION 50: Do you believe that any additional authorities are necessary to ensure 

that covert action programs are lawful, meet the public policy goals of the United States, 

or for any other purpose? 

I do not believe that additional authorities are needed in this area. 

QUESTION 51: What in your view is the appropriate role for the CIA Inspector 

General in auditing cove1t action programs? 

The CIA IG is already charged with reviewing and auditing covert action programs on a regular 

basis. I support these regular reviews. 

QUESTION 52: If confirmed, what role will you have regarding covert actions? 

If confirmed, I will assist the DNI with his responsibilities as discussed, including ensuring that 

the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed as required 

by law. 

Privacv and Civil Liberties 

QUESTION 53: Please describe the IC's efforts to protect privacy and civil liberties, 

and what, if any, challenges face the IC in these areas. 

Throughout my career in the Intelligence Community, I have experienced first-hand the IC's 

commitment to protecting privacy and civil liberties as it carries out its national security 

mission. We understand that our success in protecting the nation depends on our having the 

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public's trust. This means that the IC must ensure that its intelligence activities comply with 

legal safeguards, and that we do all we can to support effective oversight. 

For example, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) is a vitally important statute that 

enables the IC to obtain critical foreign intelligence in a manner that protects civil liberties 

and privacy. The IC rigorously implements its requirements under the careful oversight of 

Congress and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. 

Earning the public's trust requires not only that we follow applicable rules and that we 

support effective oversight, but that we also provide appropriate transparency to the public. 

During my time at NGA, we took a leadership role in promoting transparency to the extent 

possible while continuing to protect national security. It is challenging to both enhance 

intelligence transparency and protect sources and methods, but this is a challenge that we 

must continue to proactively address. 

The rapid pace of technological change in our increasingly data-driven world will also pose 

challenges for the I C. We must find ways to innovate while also remaining mindful of the 

privacy and civil liberties implications posed by these changes. I am confident that the IC will 

continue to succeed in navigating these challenges so that we can both protect the nation's 

security and civil liberties and privacy of its people. 

QUESTION 54: Section 102A(f)(4) of the National Security Act of 1947 provides that 

"ft]he Director ofNational Intelligence shall ensure compliance with the Constitution and 

laws of the United States by the Central Intelligence Agency and shall ensure such 

compliance by other elements of the intelligence community through the host executive 

departments that manage the programs and activities that are part of the National 

Intelligence Program." What are the most important subjects concerning compliance 

with the Constitution and laws that the DNI should address in fulfilling this 

responsibility? 

It is critical that all Intelligence Community activities are conducted in a manner consistent 

with the Constitution and laws of the United States. Of particular importance is respecting 

and protecting the Constitutional rights of our citizens. To that end, the Intelligence 

Community must always act in a manner that respects the rights and freedoms of our 

citizens, including protecting with vigor the First and Fourth Amendments. The Intelligence 

Community must act in compliance with the laws of the land, including the Foreign 

Intelligence Surveillance Act, the National Security Act, the Privacy Act, and Freedom of 

Information Act. 

QUESTION 55: What methods, and through what officials, should the DNI use to 

ensure compliance with the Constitution and laws, including, but not limited to, the 

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Office of the General Counsel, the ODNI Inspector General, and the Civil Liberties 

Protection Officers? 

I am personally committed to working to ensure all elements of the Intelligence Community 

comply with the Constitution and laws of the United States. I expect the same of every 

employee in the Intelligence Community. If confirmed, I would expect to work together with, 

and rely on, the Office of General Counsel, the Office of Civil Uberties, Privacy, and 

Transparency, the Equal Employment Office, and the Inspector General for the Intelligence 

Community. 

Expiring Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provisions 

QUESTION 56: What is your view with respect to reauthorizing Title VII of the 

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provisions that expire on December 31, 2017, and, 

specit1cally, whether any of the provisions should be revised? 

Section 702 of FISA has produced and continues to produce significant intelligence that is vital 

to protect the nation against international terrorism, cyber threats, weapons proliferators, 

and other threats. At the same time, Section 702 provides strong protections for the privacy 

and civil liberties of our citizens. Recent public testimony before the Senate Select 

Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Judiciary discuss in more detail both the value and 

importance of this authority. To that end, reauthorization of Section 702 is the Intelligence 

Community's top legislative priority. 

Potential Politicization of/ntelligence 

QUESTION 57: How do you det1ne the politicizing of intelligence? 

Politidzation of intelligence is any effort to distort the Intelligence Community's analysis by 

individuals or groups to support or provide justification for a policy initiative. Politicization 

of analysis is characterized by assessments that run counter to the information base and 

contravene IC analytic tradecraft standards. Politicization pressures can originate within a 

Community element or from external policy-makers or other intelligence consumers. 

QUESTION 58: What responsibilities does the PDDNI role entail, relative to ensuring 

the IC's analysis remains objective and free from political consideration? 

If confirmed, one of my most important responsibilities will be to ensure the intelligence the 

IC provides is timely, objective, and free from politicization. The Intelligence Reform and 

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Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) of 2004 specifies that the ODNI has a responsibility to 

safeguard the objectivity of intelligence analysis. 

QUESTION 59: In your view, how significant a concern is the risk of politicized 

intelligence? 

Politicized intelligence is always a risk, but it is one that I think the Intelligence Community 

has developed safeguards to detect and mitigate. I am confident that the IC's commitment to 

analytic integrity and its emphasis on implementing and improving analytic tradecraft are 

strong defenses against the threat of politicization. 

On a personal note, I can commit that I will continue to provide the IC, the ODNI, the 

Congress and this Committee my unbiased analysis and honest assessments without regard 

to outside influence, political or otherwise. 

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Responses to Committee's Questions for the Record 

Robert P. Storch 

July 21, 2017 

QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FROM SENATOR KING 

1. If confirmed, what policy or process changes would you recommend to 

ensure the Office of the Inspector General is sufficiently independent 

from NSA leadership? 

If confirmed, I would make every effort to ensure that the NSA OIG operates with 

appropriate independence from NSA leadership, consistent with the Inspector General 

Act and, of course, the decision of Congress to make the IG at the NSA a Presidentially 

appointed Senate confirmed position. I would anticipate meeting early on with the staff 

of the OIG, and I would explore in detail the existing relationship with agency leadership 

and work with the leadership and counsel at the OIG to determine whether there are any 

policy or process changes that would help to ensure the independence of the office's 

work. In that regard, if confirmed, I would ensure that the OIG has policy or process in 

place to ensure that OIG personnel immediately notify me ifthere is any effort by anyone 

in agency leadership to interfere with the office's work. O!Gs need to have good lines of 

communication with their agencies, including engaging in appropriate dialogue with 

agency leadership regarding our work. However, absent an invocation under Section SG 

of the Inspector General Act, the independence of the OIG requires that the decisions 

regarding what work to do, and what findings and recommendations result from that 

work must rest solely with the OIG. 

If confirmed, I also would ensure that the OIG has adequate policies and 

procedures in place to make sure that it has timely independent access to relevant 

information and that any issues regarding such access are brought promptly to my 

attention. An OIG cannot credibly conduct independent oversight if the entity over 

which it has oversight responsibility determines what information it will provide to the 

IG to do its work, whether that decision is made at the leadership or lower levels. This 

important principle was emphasized in the recent passage of the IG Empowerment Act. 

During my time on the leadership team at the DOJ OIG, we have been very engaged on 

this issue, and one thing I have seen played out on a number of occasions is the 

importance of elevating any access disputes promptly to the IG so that they can be 

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2. If confirmed, would you support allowing appropriately cleared 

Government Accountability Office (GAO) personnel access to NSA for 

conducting audits and reviews at the request ofthis Committee? 

If confirmed, I would work to ensure coordination with the Government 

Accountability Office (GAO) by the OIG and I would support cooperation with GAO by 

the agency to the greatest extent possible. As indicated in my responses to the 

Committee's Additional Pre-Hearing Questions, I recognize the importance of GAO's 

work, and strongly support a strong cooperative relationship between OIGs and GAO, as 

we have enjoyed at DOJ OIG. I also believe that such cooperation is consistent with 

Intelligence Community Directive (lCD) 114, which provides in Sections D. I and D.2, 

respectively, that "[i]t is IC policy to cooperate with the Comptroller General, though the 

GAO, to the fullest extent possible," and that "[t]o the extent consistent with national 

security and the protection of intelligence sources and methods, IC elements shall provide 

GAO access to information that relates to matters that are the subject of announced GAO 

reviews." With regard to physical access by appropriately cleared GAO personnel to 

NSA facilities, OIGs do not, of course, have any authority over access to agency 

facilities, which is a management function of the agency itself. Having said that, I am not 

aware of any issues with obtaining access for appropriately cleared GAO personnel to 

meet with the NSA OIG. I am not in a position to know if there are any issues with 

regard to NSA facilities more broadly but, if confirmed, I would support the greatest 

possible cooperation with GAO by the agency. 

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QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FROM SENATOR WYDEN 

Intelligence Community Contractors 

3. According to the report accompanying S. 795, a bill To Enhance 

Whistleblower Protection for Contractor and Grantee Employees, 

"Section 1553 of The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 

(ARRA) established whistleblower protections for all recipients of 

stimulus funds, including all state and local government employees and 

all contractors, including within the intelligence community (I C)." 

(a) Are you aware of any concerns associated with the ARRA's 

extension ofwhistleblower protections to Intelligence Community 

contractors? 

I am not aware of any concerns having been raised about the extension ofwhistleblower 

protections by Section 1553 of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of2009 (ARRA) 

to Intelligence Community (I C) contractors. I should note that ARRA was passed several years 

before I joined the DOJ OIG, and I do not recall any discussions about ARRA's extension of 

whistleblower protections to IC contractors during my time here or as Chair of the Council of the 

Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE) Whistleblower Ombudsperson Working 

Group. Having said that, if confirmed, I will continue to make whistleblower protections a 

priority, and I would welcome the opportunity to explore this issue further with the Committee to 

ensure that we are doing everything possible to protect people who perform the difficult act of 

coming forward with such information, wherever they may work. 

In that regard, at DOJ OIG, I have worked to support the protection of contractor 

whistleblowers pursuant to the National Defense Authorization Act of2013 (NDAA), as 

expanded by S. 795. I believe that S. 795 was a significant piece of legislation in extending the 

prohibition against reprisal for making protected disclosures to subgrantees and personal service 

contractors, and making permanent the prior pilot program that provided procedures for 

independent review by O!Gs of reprisal complaints made by employees of contractors and 

others. I have worked diligently to help effectuate these protections, including preparing and 

working to disseminate informational materials to make sure individuals covered by the statute 

are fully informed as to their rights and protections. Our brochure is publicly available, 

including to all DOJ employees and contractors, on the OIG's website at: 

https://oig. justice.gov /hot! ine/docs/N D AA -brochure. pdf. 

Whether someone works as an employee of an agency or a contractor, they still perform a 

valuable service when they come forward with information, and they should not suffer reprisal 

for doing so. If confirmed, I would welcome the opportunity to work with the Committee to 

further this fundamental principle at the NSA. 

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(b) Do you agree with the December 6, 2011, testimony of the Chair of 

the Legislation Committee of the Council of Inspectors General on 

Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE) in which she supported the 

extension of specific whistleblower protections in the ARRA? 

I was not at the DOJ OIG or in the OIG community in 2011, but in response to this 

question I have read the statement excerpted in the report accompanying S. 795 from the former 

chair of the CIGIE Legislation Committee, and I have no issue with her testimony. I note that 

her statement also referenced the concern that expanding ARRA whistleblower protections to all 

government contracts, grants, and payments might have a significant impact on OIG resources, 

and I can say that in my own experience at DOJ OIG and in serving as Chair of the CIGIE 

Whistleblower Ombudsman Working Group, this concern has been commonly expressed as well, 

as these are frequently resource-intensive matters. Therefore, I believe it is important that 

Congress consider providing additional resources to OIGs that would be necessary to ensure 

compliance with any new or expanded protections in this area. As I believe our efforts at DOJ 

OIG reflect, I am committed to the importance ofwhistleblower rights and protections and will, 

if confirmed, similarly make them a priority at the NSA and would welcome the opportunity to 

work with the Committee on these issues. 

Confidentiality 

4. What are your views on the obligation of Offices of Inspectors General 

not to reveal the identities of confidential whistleblowers? Are current 

laws and regulations sufficient to protect the identities of 

whistleblowers? 

I believe that Section 7(b) of the Inspector General Act provides an extremely important 

protection for individuals who come forward to OIGs with complaints or information. It is 

critical that whistleblowers feel comfortable coming forward when they see something they 

reasonably believe to be wrong, which enables the OIG or other appropriate recipients to look 

into the situation and take any necessary corrective action. Given the difficulty of coming 

forward with information within an organization or office or involving colleagues, it is 

particularly important that OIGs scrupulously honor the confidentiality ofwhistleblowers, and I 

would welcome the opportunity, if confirmed, to engage with the Committee on the issue further. 

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Accountability 

5. What is the appropriate form of accountability for individuals found to 

have reprised against whistleblowers? 

Whistleblower reprisal is a prohibited personnel practice, and it is illegal. Individuals 

who violate the law by engaging in or threatening reprisal against whistle blowers should face 

swift and appropriate disciplinary action. 

Ombudsman 

6. You serve as the chair of the CIGIE Whistleblower Ombudsman 

Working Group. What are your views on whether the ombudsman role 

can be strengthened or protected? 

I believe that the Whistleblower Protection Ombudsman positions established under the 

Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of2012 (WPEA) and codified in Section 3(d) of the 

Inspector General Act have performed an important role in helping to ensure that agency 

personnel are informed regarding the prohibitions against retaliation for making protected 

disclosures, and that persons who have made or are contemplating making protected disclosures 

are aware of their rights and remedies against retaliation. As someone who has been working as 

the DOJ OIG Whistleblower Ombudsperson before the positions were even required by the 

WPEA, we have engaged in an extensive effort to get out a wide range of information in this 

area, much of which is available on our robust Whistleblower Protection site at: 

https://oig.justice.gov/hotline/whistleblower-protection.htm. 

I do believe that there is room for further development of this important role, and have 

welcomed the opportunity to engage with staff of the bipartisan Senate Whistleblower Protection 

Caucus, the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the House Committee on Oversight and 

Government Reform on this issue. I testified before the HOGR Subcommittee on Government 

Operations about this earlier this year --my testimony at the hearing entitled, "Five Years Later: 

A Review of the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act," is publicly available on the OIG's 

website at: https://oig.justice.gov/testimony/tl7020 I a. pdf. Among the areas where I could see 

potential for expansion of this function, consistent with on our own program at DOJ OIG, would 

be promoting the timely and appropriate handling by OIGs of protected disclosures and 

allegations of reprisal, and facilitating appropriate communications between the OIG and other 

entities, including the Office of Special Counsel, CIGIE, and the Congress. If confirmed, I 

would welcome the opportunity to work with the Committee on these issues. 

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QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FROM SENATOR FEINSTEIN 

7. Will you commit to reviewing the security procedures in place at NSA 

and the ability of people to walk in and out with classified material? 

Specifically, I want to stop the theft of classified material from the NSA 

and am concerned about the three major thefts by contractors who have 

simply walked out of the building with classified documents. 

Will you include in this review a determination of whether or not 

adding a physical search would be effective and appropriate in stopping 

these thefts? 

If confirmed, l will work with the staff of the OIG to ensure that the security procedures 

in place at the NSA are reviewed appropriately, including the effectiveness and appropriateness 

of physical searches in stopping any thefts of classified documents. 

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Isabel Patelunas 

Treasury Nominee for Assistant Secretary for Intelligence and Analysis 

Post-Hearing Questions for the Record 

QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FROM SENATOR KING 

I. If confirmed, what steps would you recommend to improve the IC's knowledge of the tactics, 

techniques, and procedures used by foreign drug trafficking organizations to obfuscate their financial 

activity? 

Answer: 

If confirmed, I will ensure OIA continues to work closely with the rest of the IC to increase the 

collection and integration of financial information. This information is integral to OIA 's efforts to 

identifY the tactics, techniques, and procedures used by foreign drug trafficking organizations and 

other illicit financial actors to obfuscate their financial activity. I also intend to work with foreign, law 

enforcement, and the private sector partners to leverage their information and expertise. 

QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FROM SENATOR WYDEN 

Anti-money laundering and shell companies 

2. During his confirmation process, Secretary Mnuchin stated: 

"I agree that law enforcement anti-money laundering efforts face serious challenges if they are unable to 

determine the beneficial ownership of the various companies and entities that utilize the U.S. financial 

system. It can be a real vulnerability that various bad actors, including terrorists and criminals, can 

exploit. I understand that FinCEN recently passed new customer due diligence requirements that are 

intended in part to address beneficial ownership identification, and I will direct FinCEN to steadfastly 

enforce these regulations. lf confirmed I will be willing to work with the U.S. Congress and the various 

equities impacted by beneficial ownership due diligence requirements to address this challenge." 

In your responses to the Committee's pre-hearing questions, you wrote "I would support the Secretary of 

the Treasury as the Department formulates policy and executes authorities through all-source analysis of 

global financial networks, the financial vulnerabilities of U.S. adversaries, the impact of targeted U.S. 

financial measures, and threats to international financial stability." 

(a) Will you support the Secretary's stated focus on anti-money laundering efforts and, in particular, 

direct resources toward the challenge of determining the beneficial ownership of companies and entities 

that utilize, or may have links to the U.S. financial system? 

(b) Will you commit to producing all-source analytical products on this topic and to making these 

products available to Congress, subject only to classification restrictions? 

Answer: 

I strongly support Secretary Mnuchin 's focus on anti-money laundering efforts. If confirmed, I will 

continue to ensure that OIAful~v supports the Secretary's priorities, including by continuing to 

produce all-source intelligence analysis. If confirmed, I will ensure that OIA continues to provide 

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PPDNI Nominee Gordon's Confirmation Hearing 

19 Jnly 2017 

QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FROM SENATOR COLLINS 

1. Director Gordon, since I joined the Committee in 2013, I have been briefed on case 

after case of leaks of highly classified and confidential information from within the 

Intelligence Community. These cases include Edward Snowden in 2013, the 

exposure of hundreds of thousands of security clearance forms held by OPM, and, 

according to his public Department of Justice indictment, NSA contractor Harold 

Martin stole highly classified information over a period of twenty years. 

After each of these cases, the Intelligence Community failed to swiftly and fully 

implement the necessary changes to prevent a repeat of the loss of highly classified 

information. Why do you believe the IC did not enact sufficient protections after 

each one ofthese cases during the past ten years? 

Answer: There has been a concerted effort to address these leaks within our authorities 

and existing laws. I am aware of multiple initiatives that have been completed and many 

more underway, to include establishment of the National Insider Threat Task Force and 

insider threat programs within JC agencies, as well as security clearance reform. 

Specifically, the IC has taken steps to respond to prior unauthorized disclosures, 

including: 

• Improving Oversight and Management of Personnel Security; 

• Defining Privileged User Risk Categories; 

• Increasing the Use of Encryption and Digital Rights Management; 

• Implementing enhanced User Activity Monitoring on our technology 

systems; and 

• Accelerating Insider Threat Programs. 

I believe that we need to aggressively charge forward with the initiatives underway, make 

sure that we are properly resourced to see them through, continuously pause to evaluate 

their effectiveness, and identify any remaining gaps that we need to close. 

Even with redoubled effort, there will likely always be leaks with regard to classified 

information. The simple truths that humans need access to information in order to be 

able to work, that need-to-share always balances need-to-know, and that technology will 

never provide a perfect solution make this something we will have to continue to address. 

Our goal is to work, continuously, to both minimize the opportunity and to limit the 

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damage that any single act might create through aggressive implementation of solutions 

like those listed above. 

2. What more do you believe needs to be done within the IC to address the almost 

routine unauthorized disclosure of highly classified and sensitive information? 

Answer: I share in your frustration and assessment of the gravity of the situation. We 

know that unauthorized disclosures of classified information harm our national security. 

I think there are several things that the JC can continue to do address this situation. First, 

we must aggressively address unauthorized disclosures by holding individuals 

accountable for their actions. Second, we should ensure we are taking steps to protect 

classified information and limit access to it to only those who need it to effectively 

accomplish the mission. Finally, it is critically important to have safe avenues for 

whistleblowers to raise concerns, including to this Committee, without fear of retaliation. 

3. Director Gordon, in your statement for the record, you said that at its best, 

intelligence helps decision-makers identify opportunities to act before events require 

them to do so. The Committee has repeatedly advocated for greater and faster 

adoption of analytic tools that have proven to improve forecasting and predictive 

analysis by the Intelligence Community. 

While no one can predict the future, work sponsored by the Intelligence Advanced 

Research Projects Agency has resulted in an impressive body of evidence that 

identifies specific ways the Intelligence Community can improve the forecasting 

estimates and anticipatory intelligence it provides to policy makers, such as through 

prediction markets and increased training of analysts in analytic best-practices. 

You previously were the director of advanced analytic tools at the CIA. Do you 

agree that the IC should do more to foster greater and more widespread adoption of 

these forecasting best practices so that our intelligence analysis is as accurate and 

useful to policy makers as possible? 

Answer: Yes, ODNI's Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity (!ARPA) has 

invested in several such technologies, and tested them in real-world forecasting 

tournaments. !ARPA (and others) have found that prediction markets, analytic training, 

and machine learning models can be used to make more accurate and timely forecasts of 

significant global events. I agree, and will advance work to encourage the I C to more 

broadly adopt such evidence-based forecasting methods on topics where they are shown 

to be effective. 

4. Over the past several years, we have seen a dramatic reemergence of Russia in the 

Middle East. There is no doubt that Russia's entry into Syria's civil war helped turn 

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the tide of the conflict decisively in favor of the Assad-Iran-Hezbollah axis. Do you 

believe we have shared interests with Russia in the Middle East, and in Syria in 

particular? 

Answer: The United States and Russia have common concerns in the Middle East, but 

there are significant barriers to cooperation. The Syria crisis represents both a venue for 

Russia-U.S. competition in the region and an opportunity for a bilateral relationship 

through counterterrorism (CT) cooperation and joint efforts to resolve a complex regional 

crisis. Russian goals in Syria are centered on finding an international political solution 

that: I) preserves a Russia-friendly regime in some form; 2) protects a long-term Russian 

military, security, and economic presence in Syria, even if Syria is broken up into 

enclaves; 3) gives Moscow international "credit" for "solving" the Syria problem; and 4) 

eliminates the threat from ISIL and other Islamic extremists. Moscow's emphasis on 

countering ISIS, coupled with Russia's broad desire to find areas of shared interest with 

the United States, offer a potential opening for joint CT cooperation in Syria. 

5. The danger posed to our critical infrastructure from cyber attacks of our foreign 

adversaries is demonstrated most clearly by the attacks that have already taken 

place in the past few years. The White House recently published an Executive 

Order on cybersecurity and critical infrastructure that requires the Department of 

Homeland Security, in coordination with the Director of National Intelligence and 

other federal agency heads, to identify unique "authorities and capabilities" that 

can be brought to bear to improve the cybersecurity posture of Section 9 entities in 

the private sector. 

As you may know, the Section 9 entities refer to those critical infrastructure entities 

that, if a single cyber incident were to occur, could cause catastrophic harm to 

public safety, the economy, or national defense. Yet, despite the fact that many 

Section 9 entities already confront nation-state adversaries probing their networks, 

the U.S. government as a whole has offered little tangible help to assist them before 

an attack. 

If confirmed, will you commit to looking into this and updating the Committee on 

what authorities and capabilities elements of the IC can offer in support of this 

White House directive to play a more helpful role in assisting owners and operators 

defend these vital elements of critical infrastructure? 

Answer: Yes, I will commit to looking into this and updating the Committee on the 

authorities and capabilities the IC can offer in support of the White House cybersecurity 

directives, with the goal of assisting critical infrastructure owners and operators. In this 

regard, ODNI facilitates engagement between the IC, DHS, and other sector specific 

agencies, and critical infrastructure entities to share information on threats that could 

impair their ability to operate effectively and securely. 

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QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FROM SENATOR WYDEN 

6. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) recently published a report on 

cybersecurity threats related to mobile phones and cellular networks. In that report, 

DHS stated that it "believes that all U.S. carriers are vulnerable to [Signaling 

System No.7 (SS7)) exploits, resulting in risks to national security, the economy, 

and the Federal Government's ability to reliably execute national essential 

functions." According to DHS, these "vulnerabilities can be exploited by criminals, 

terrorists, and nation-state actors/foreign intelligence organizations." As the DHS 

report noted, the SS7 vulnerabilities can be used to "determine the physical location 

of cellular mobile devices, disrupt phone service from individual phones to entire 

networks, intercept or block SMS text messages, and redirect or eavesdrop on voice 

conversations." 

(a) Do you agree with DHS's assessment with regard to the impact of SS7 

vulnerabilities on U.S. national security, the economy, and the federal 

government, and with regard to the threat posed by SS7 surveillance? 

Answer: Yes, I agree with the DHS report regarding the risks posed by Signaling 

System 7 (SS7). 

(b) Do you agree with DHS's assessment that SS7 vulnerabilities can be exploited by 

criminals, terrorists and nation-state actors/foreign intelligence organizations? 

Answer: Yes, I agree that S S 7 is vulnerable to these threat actors. 

(c) Do you support Intelligence Community efforts to address this threat and do you 

commit to keeping Congress informed of both the threat and efforts to address 

it? 

Answer: Yes, I believe the Intelligence Community must manage the threat and I 

commit to keeping Congress informed of both the threat and countermeasure efforts. 

7. In his testimony at the Committee's March 13, 2013, Worldwide Threat Assessment 

hearing, then-Director of National Intelligence Clapper described the threat posed 

by the global market for cyber intrusion software: 

"In addition, a handful of commercial companies sell computer intrusion kits on the 

open market. These hardware and software packages can give governments and 

cybercriminals the capability to steal, manipulate, or delete information on targeted 

systems. Even more companies develop and sell professional-quality technologies to 

support cyber operations-often branding these tools as lawful-intercept or defensive 

security research products. Foreign governments alreadv use some of these tools to 

target US svstems." (Emphasis added) 

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(a) How significant is the threat posed by foreign governments using these 

capabilities against targets in the United States such as individuals, businesses, 

and U.S. government agencies? 

Answer: The threat posed to individuals, businesses, and U.S. government targets by 

foreign governments using cyber intrusion software capabilities is quite significant. 

These cyber tools are commercially available worldwide and anyone can obtain them. 

The tools make it much easier for adversaries to conduct exploitation or potentially 

cyber attacks against U.S. equities. 

(b) How should the U.S. government respond to this threat? 

Answer: The IC and U.S. government writ large should respond to this threat in a 

coordinated and effective manner, keeping Congress consistently informed about 

these evolving threats and any countermeasures that are implemented. It is critical for 

the U.S. government to track emerging cyber threats, identify the targeted 

vulnerabilities, identify patches and mitigations specific to these vulnerabilities, and 

monitor the status of the implementation of these patches and vulnerabilities to ensure 

cyber situation awareness across the government. Our response also needs to include 

U.S. private industry and universities who are often the target of foreign cyber 

intrusion intended to steal intellectual property or to gain economic advantage. 

8. Please describe your view of "secret law." Should the Intelligence Community 

conduct programs or operations based on secret interpretations of law that are 

inconsistent with what the American public believes the law to mean? 

Answer: As I noted in my responses to the pre-hearing questions, I firmly believe that 

earning the public's trust requires not only that the IC follow applicable rules and that 

support effective oversight, but also that the lC provide appropriate transparency to the 

public. This is no less true when it comes to legal interpretations of intelligence 

authorities. It is of course challenging to enhance intelligence transparency and 

simultaneously protect sources and methods, but it is a challenge we must continue to 

proactively address. There are a number of statutory provisions, including provisions in 

the National Security Act and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, that work to 

strike this balance by ensuring that Congress and the public are informed of significant 

interpretations of law consistent with due regard for the protection of classified 

information. I also understand that the ODNI, in partnership with all IC elements, has 

worked actively to make legal interpretations publicly available as part of its overall 

transparency efforts. If confirmed, I look forward to working with the IC to promote 

transparency to the extent possible while continuing to protect national security 

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