- • overreach • overreach
- • answer: we don’t deny, no harm to Amendment • answer: we don’t deny, no harm to Amendment
- • trying to have a bigger effect is the problem • trying to have a bigger effect is the problem
- • what bothers other’s rights is the problem • what bothers other’s rights is the problem
- • might be drawing a crowd but not intention • might be drawing a crowd but not intention
- • event (permit) is a problem • event (permit) is a problem
- • cities have 50 as the number • cities have 50 as the number
- • problem is use of the number 5 with the subjective statement behind it • problem is use of the number 5 with the subjective statement behind it
- • an overspilling effect on the rest of Bethlehem beyond the intent to manage MF • an overspilling effect on the rest of Bethlehem beyond the intent to manage MF
- • too great an effect for the intent it was designed to manage • too great an effect for the intent it was designed to manage
- • we don’t deny but we need to know what’s going on • we don’t deny but we need to know what’s going on
- • accumulation on sidewalk creates a bottleneck, people walk in the street • accumulation on sidewalk creates a bottleneck, people walk in the street
- • only apply to large groups of people • only apply to large groups of people
- • Director approves, appeal to the Mayor – should be City Council • Director approves, appeal to the Mayor – should be City Council
- • practically won’t work, number of cases, suitable timing, etc. • practically won’t work, number of cases, suitable timing, etc.
- • is representative body of the people, should handle appeals • is representative body of the people, should handle appeals

## President Waldron (42:25)

- • after other cities? • after other cities?
- • Lawless answers: nationwide search, Phila, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, etc. • Lawless answers: nationwide search, Phila, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, etc.
- • number 5 not arbitrary and capricious – for safety • number 5 not arbitrary and capricious – for safety
- • Phila has 75 as magic number – and much larger police force • Phila has 75 as magic number – and much larger police force
- • number picked to balance safety and free speech • number picked to balance safety and free speech
- • did it get from what ArtsQuest was looking for to this long ordinance • did it get from what ArtsQuest was looking for to this long ordinance
- • of onlookers? subjective • of onlookers? subjective
- • can be drawn without intent • can be drawn without intent
- • •
- • not just intent but propensity • not just intent but propensity
- • about this tip-toeing up to First Amendment • about this tip-toeing up to First Amendment
- • that need is not overreaching • that need is not overreaching
- • can be a little grey • can be a little grey
- • conduct not content is what the ordinance is about • conduct not content is what the ordinance is about
- • must know so that we can have resources if anything happens • must know so that we can have resources if anything happens
- • will people know about this process? what if they just show up? • will people know about this process? what if they just show up?
- • in accord with ACLU web site • in accord with ACLU web site
- • 5 people is a lot, can cause a lot of havoc • 5 people is a lot, can cause a lot of havoc
- • likes 2-1, 2 police to 1 individual • likes 2-1, 2 police to 1 individual
- • during MF, 50 police on northside, 20 on Southside • during MF, 50 police on northside, 20 on Southside

## Councilman Colon (1:08:30)

- • were charges in 2017 incident? assault, harassment • were charges in 2017 incident? assault, harassment