- • arrests last year? minor, was handled • arrests last year? minor, was handled
- • of such ordinances challenged? mostly on police response • of such ordinances challenged? mostly on police response
- • measured response expected by courts • measured response expected by courts
- • veto” – police adopt spectator’s view – we don’t do that • veto” – police adopt spectator’s view – we don’t do that
- • ordinance based on ordinances that have survived court scrutiny • ordinance based on ordinances that have survived court scrutiny
- • content neutral 2) legitimate purpose (limited police resources) 3) 5 is rationally • content neutral 2) legitimate purpose (limited police resources) 3) 5 is rationally related to our resources
- • this change MANA, MLK day, other usual events? No • this change MANA, MLK day, other usual events? No
- • fee for clean-up costs, waived if no clean-up • fee for clean-up costs, waived if no clean-up
- • deposit? • deposit?

## Councilwoman Negron (1:23:28)

- • is good for MF, but does it make sense to include/cover all the other situations • is good for MF, but does it make sense to include/cover all the other situations
- • of Bernie Saunders event recently, but well contained • of Bernie Saunders event recently, but well contained
- • those protestors have a permit? No • those protestors have a permit? No
- • events have happened in the City without a permit and nothing happened • events have happened in the City without a permit and nothing happened
- • we requiring something we don’t need • we requiring something we don’t need
- • are we going to be controlling the smaller events • are we going to be controlling the smaller events

## Councilwoman Van Wirt (1:30:20)

- • hit nail on head with my concern • hit nail on head with my concern
- • should not be inhibited without prior thought of obtaining a permit • should not be inhibited without prior thought of obtaining a permit
- • angst • angst
- • opens up potential for abuse under guise of public safety • opens up potential for abuse under guise of public safety
- • permit for groups less than 20 is a regulatory act • permit for groups less than 20 is a regulatory act
- • of requiring a permit is inhibiting and limiting • of requiring a permit is inhibiting and limiting
- • of our police force is not relevant to me • of our police force is not relevant to me
- • because we live in a smaller town doesn’t mean our right to express be more limited • because we live in a smaller town doesn’t mean our right to express be more limited
- • support this ordinance if definition of demonstration was 20 people or more • support this ordinance if definition of demonstration was 20 people or more
- • appeal should go to City Council • appeal should go to City Council

## President Waldron (1:33:30)

- • do about coalescing group? no intention to be more than 5 • do about coalescing group? no intention to be more than 5
- • would be spontaneous – no permit • would be spontaneous – no permit
- • has 75, Pittsburgh 50, Chicago 50 in their ordinances • has 75, Pittsburgh 50, Chicago 50 in their ordinances
- • of no constitutional case that has focused on the number • of no constitutional case that has focused on the number
- • numbers are arbitrary if not reasonably tied to something like police resources • numbers are arbitrary if not reasonably tied to something like police resources
- • was not picked out of thin air • was not picked out of thin air
- • is on outside groups • is on outside groups
- • 5 feels small to me – my family exceeds that number • 5 feels small to me – my family exceeds that number
- • see intent, but a little leery of the number • see intent, but a little leery of the number