In our report we actually note that quick fixers do not always work. The Minister spoke of ... I thought she put it very evocatively, it is a marathon and not a sprint. Instead of ending up with these long interventions as a last resort, let us focus more on early warning systems. We agree with the DA and others who have said it and of course both the national government and provincial government have to play their part but so too must we as the NCOP.

Now, Ms Visser goes on about the extension may need new terms. Maybe she is right. I'm sure ... [Inaudible.] ... the Minister, but presumably they are open to that idea, they do not want to be there anymore, then you want them to be there, Ms Visser. I mean Cogta has thousand different responsibilities, the local elections are coming up and so on. So, they are only there because they have to be there. You ask who brings what? That is why, the legislation is pending.As

the Minister explained, the Bill is being processed as you, yourself will jump up and down, it has to be consulted with. For example, the Constitution section 1454, as the former chairperson of Salga you will remember or maybe I got this wrong, but it requires every Bill affecting the functions of local government to be negotiated with the local government.

We say also in the report which you are a part of, Ms Visser, that there is a lack of co-operation, team work, co-ordination and interdepartmental relation among all structures and role- players to more ensure effective implementation of section 100 intervention blah blah blah. What we are basically admitting to is that there is a need for a greater differential roles and responsibilities of the different actions in the intervention.

I want to think that yes the local elections are coming up so we are all politicise it, but we are the National Council of Provinces and not the National Assembly. There needs to be a greater degree of provincialism across political party divides that need to prevail here. So, we all need to work together to make this province function as it should.

Now, Mr Du Toit goes on and on about our internal divisions. That too is something the ANC admits that our own internal divisions have contributed and need to be addressed in order for the province to function. Just google, Mr Du Toit. Nobody is hiding that.

What is outrageous, Chairperson, probably the most outrageous thing I have heard in this term of Parliament, Mr Du Toit says that he thinks we are being schooled by the ANC in the art of corruption. If that is what he said, then it is outrageous, Chairperson. Where is the evidence for that? If he says that then I could retort and say well, how will he feel if any of the ANC comrades said that the FF Plus doesn't nothing more than school its members and supporters out there on racism or return to apartheid? Basically I think it was an outrageous thing to say.

Then he wants the legislation dissolved. That is something that he suggested the national government or the NCOP might want to do. Absolutely not! Here is the FF Plus, they demanded these provinces as the MEC of the North West said. It came while it was a consent to them, the DA and the National Party of the time. Now he wants a national legislative to dissolve the provinces. You can't do that; and it unconstitutional and

absurd. You wanted the provincial system and you have it. Respect democracy Mr Fanie Du Toit.

Now we go on to say that Mr Sileku and so on they use such strong words to describe the failures in the province. They reduce it ultimately to a subjective failure as if it is something inherent in people, a lack of a moral compass or the capacity to root, rather than looking also at the system that ... [Inaudible.]