want to make podcast sniffet of 30-60 sec that may gone viral and clips should have climax that tie viewers till end so i am giving transcript of video so give direct transcript cut  without changing transcript of about 30-60 sec that have ability to go viral also give rating of viral out of 10 give all possible clips from this "Will IIMs be relevant in the coming 50 years? Will colleges be relevant in the coming 50 years? You are a seasoned entrepreneur, you are an engineer, you are a Wharton graduate, plus you have seen the best part of the corporate world. There is a difference between the job interview phase of 2012 and the job interview phase of 2024. Amazon, Google, Walmart, everyone has said that our requirement is not that you have a bachelor's degree. So this IIT to IIM or IIT to International MBA career path is for money in the end. The 1 crore packages are in the US. So the 1 crore there is around 25-30 lakhs here. One job profile about which we didn't talk in college is this Founder's Office role. 
This can also be a replacement for your MBA. I had all the brands, right? IIT Delhi, Wharton, Bain, but I didn't Khud ka startup start karne ka courage tabhi aaya jab maine 2 saal founders office mein kaam kiya. Aapke IIT ke friends ab kya kar? Jo front benchers the mere jaise, wo chale gaye naukriyo me. Jo back benchers the, unho ne try kiya. Ek startup kiya, do kiya, teen kiya, wo aaj unicorn founders hai. Uff. Dosto 650 se zyada podcast record ho chuke. Alag-alag industries ke top professionals se baat karne ka mauka milta hai mujhe. This is the biggest gift of my life. But the biggest thing that I have learned about our country is that our current undergrad and postgrad college system has not reached the standards of the world. 
In our country, the top quality undergrad and postgrad education belongs to the private institutes. And this is the truth. Because the world is changing so fast. Technology is changing so fast. People keep talking about AI, but what are job placements? Recruiters, the top pay packages, what do they seek out in their potential hires? If you want to learn about all these things, then you need to listen to the professionals. Our guest in today's podcast is an IITian, a Wharton, that is a top B school in the world, he is a graduate. She has also run her own education startup. And now she is a part of Masters Union, an institute where New Age job placements are actively focused. The average placement at Masters Union is above 30 lakh per annum Indian rupees. 
The education institutes that are placement focused in today's world, I feel they will survive in the next 10, 15, 20 years. That's why today's episode, if you are a student, then sit and watch it with your parents. And if you are a parent, then sit and watch it with your family. Because the world is changing. Maybe because of this podcast, your education-oriented mindset will change. Your own thought trajectory will change. If you are thinking that you should do IIT or IIM, maybe after watching this episode, your thought will change. Because the world is changing rapidly. Sit and take notes. You will learn a lot about the real education system in today's video. Enjoy Swati Ganeti on TRS. Today we have a very special guest on TRS. 
Welcome Swati Ganeti. He is a very celebrated entrepreneur, celebrated professional. But he is on TRS today because many parents have told me that they want guidance. Because the world is changing. And many Indian parents are confused about their children. So Swati Ganesh, first of all, welcome. Thank you Ranbir. You called me. Thank you so much. How are you? Very good. Watton and before that IIT Delhi. This is a dream for many Indians. There is an education path. First of all, many people dream of IIT. And the dream of watering is so big that people don't even reach there, even mentally. At least it used to happen in our time. I don't know what is happening today. It still happens. It still happens. People target IIT and international education. 
First they target IIT. Then you have more exposure in IIT. You see that my seniors are going. So I can also go. So I think no one thinks on day one that I have to do this. But as you get exposure, you see possibilities, you keep making your path. Now our generation is in our 30s. And I feel that people who are in their 30s, they see the reality of the professional world very closely. Because we are all doing rise up the ranks. Our careers are moving forward and we are getting to know that what kind of professionals do we need in our team. We have worked with Gen Z's. We have also worked with teenagers to a large extent. So I want to ask you this question that when we were in college, in 2008, 2010, in that phase, and now in 2022, 2024, 2026, what is the difference in this phase? 
Look, if I say that the world has become upside down, then it will not be wrong and it will not be an exaggeration. When we were in college, we had knowledge. We used to take it from college. I still remember that IIT had a huge library. Google etc. was there then too. But still we were a little dependent on the library. In today's date, knowledge is a commodity. So you are not going to college for knowledge. That you will get on Coursera, Upgrade, anywhere. How to do digital marketing, how to do product management. Today if you are going to college, then you are going for an environment. You are going for an ecosystem. and I am going to change myself. I think the biggest take away from IIT is that I have changed myself. 
Even if it is Watt&B, the biggest transformation is not that you got into marketing or management. You have come out as a better person. That is the biggest change. And that should be given to any college in today's time. Okay. we should also talk about money. I think this IIT to IIM or IIT to International MBA career path is for money in the end. Because money gives you stability and stability makes your parents happy. So all parents actually think about money first and foremost. Effectively. How much salary will you get? Yes. But in the coming 10-20 years, according to me, The job profiles of the world are going to change a lot. I have seen this in my 9 years of YouTube career that even the job profiles of my neighbours have changed. 
The jobs of graphic designers have completely changed. The jobs of editors have changed. In today's world, editing is also a highly paid job. At that time, we could not even think about this. But this is just one domain. I am talking about media. Today people want to create content etc. I would like to ask you about the job market. that in the next 10-20 years, according to you, if an Indian student wants to earn as much money as possible at the start of his career, then what should be the mentality of that teenager and his parents? Look, after 20 years, I can tell you the trends. For example, AI has come, so in 5 years, graphic designers may not be needed. You will give a prompt, that picture or that graphic will be made. 
Maybe you don't even want video editors. You give a prompt, the whole video is made. Coders, coding, maybe you don't even want that. So if in the next 5 years this much change will happen, then what will happen in the next 20 years, we don't know. But the biggest skill someone has to learn in today's date, is how to continue to learn and unlearn. If I have learned something, it was right in that era. In today's date, if I have to unlearn it, I will give you an example. For example, marketers. 10-15 years ago, smartphones were not there. YouTube was not that big, Instagram was not that big. You used to advertise on radio, TV, billboards. In today's date, all marketers spend money on YouTube, Instagram and your digital formats. 
So, if there is a senior who is 45 years old or 50 years old, he is automatically unlearning and learning new things. That is the only way to survive in a corporate career or any career. Basically, you need to learn the skill of unlearning. This is a basic skill. Because the world is changing, so forget the past. I would say that maybe the second added skill is... Accepting the fact that education has become lifelong. Absolutely. You have to learn all your life. And I have seen this in the professional world as well. In the world of social media, the average career span is around 3 years. But the people who have survived more than 3 years have focused more on reinvention, team building, etc. 
Four C's, critical thinking, collaboration, creativity, and communication. If you focus on these four, and these four I have upgraded a lot continuously. I personally have seen that because of these 4 skills you can get continuous promotions if your work environment is good. But here we are not talking about hard skills. We are talking about soft skills. Yes, because hard skills are changing every 5 years. You can't say that today you should know content writing well. If you get 4 GPT then even an average content writer will write well. You should have known coding, but in 5 years, it is also being replaced. So, the most valuable skills you have is that, do you know how to communicate your work up and down? Do you know how to work with 10 people in a team? 
No one can replace this. This is lifelong. So, call it soft skills or call it human skills, but this is the need and the sooner colleges teach this, their alumni base will progress. But what is the reality of the education system, especially in India? What is happening? Look, I feel that in India, colleges don't have a middle class. So if you see, 12 lakh people prep for JEE, there are some 10,000 seats, they go to IIT. We will talk about what is happening in IIT, what is happening in the curriculum and why the people there are successful. But suppose there are good colleges and 10,000 people are going there. Then you talk about IPMAT. Every year, some 20,000 people are giving an exam for IPMAT. 
And in top IIM, in one IIM, there are some 200-200 seats. So, you are able to serve only 1% student base. So, are you saying that the top 5% or top 10% or top 20% that child is not good? So, the biggest problem in our higher ed is that the number of colleges we have, That is a lot in quantity. There are 40,000 colleges in India. But if I ask you, Ranveer, you tell me, which are the top 50 colleges in India? You won't be able to tell. After 10, you may say one or two more names and that's it. So, in India's higher education, we need the middle class of colleges, who can give a quality education, by giving our top 10%, top 20%, top 30%, and make it stand out. 
If a student, A highly paid job at the start of a career. So what should be the pathway? Assume that if IIT doesn't crack, then what? Because I was told that if IIT doesn't crack, then my career is over. It was a lie, but then there was no YouTube, so I didn't know that it was a lie. But you are from IIT, give me both the pathways. Let's talk about both. Sure. Every parent tells me this. In fact, when I had a start-up of career guidance, every parent told me that Swati, tell us where will we find a good job? See, you have to know that money is always a by-product. Whatever you do, you will have to be good in it. Now, you are a content creator, Ranveer. 
Because you are good in your job, you are one of the best. And money will come. Similarly, if I talk about UI UX designers, In today's date, there is a designer who is also on a job worth 5 lakhs. And in today's date, there is a designer who will be the head of UI UX design and will also be on a package worth 1 crore. So first of all, you have to think that what do you have in which you become so best that people follow you and that skill is valuable. So I can never say with an average that there is a lot of money in coding or there is a lot of money in management or there is a lot of money in design. 
What is your speciality? And if you take care of that, then there is a lot of money. Whoever sits in front of me, I sometimes reflect on their thoughts in the podcast. Because you are an engineer, I would like to give a career-oriented formula to parents. And you can take a pen and paper and write it and add it to this formula. So I would definitely say four C's, critical thinking, collaboration, creativity and communication. This should be your basis for career growth. Plus P. Which is passion. Identify what you enjoy. And there can be different things in that P. Write them too. Plus there is one more key point. To simplify it, I will call it discipline. But actually discipline means routines, means hard work. 
Everyone knows this. You have to work hard for your career growth. We are in our early 30s. I'm sure you have a lot of friends around you who are good at work, have a good life, but maybe they don't have a happy heart. There are a lot. Whenever people of our age group meet each other, this is what happens. That someone is suffering from something. And we are millennials. It is said that Gen Z's have more mental health issues. I have students, so I can tell you how the generation has changed. According to 2024 and till 2030, let's talk a little about some highly paid jobs. Like a consultant job is a very good job. It can lead to many other careers. I have seen this with all my consultant friends. 
When you sit with consultants, there is always a very smart conversation. There is a very analytical conversation. And a lot of consultants either go abroad for their MBA and work there. Or they start their own business. Absolutely. So I feel we should talk a little about this consultant job. What happens? How do they qualify? Which are the big companies? Absolutely. So you must have heard a lot that the top most jobs from IIT, IIM are going to McKinsey, BCG, Bain. So these are strategy consulting firms. Their work is very simple. They advise the CEOs of big companies that you what they should do in their business. Now you can ask me that what is their speciality that they advise such big CEOs. So many times what happens is, like big companies, right, you take Airtel or Reliance, you get so much into execution that CEOs need a strategic mindset to pull back and for example, if a company's market share is falling or someone has to do an international expansion, 
So that company will come and tell a Bain or McKinsey that can you tell me what steps should I take to increase my market share? In which country should I expand so that my business can grow? So for that, a team of 5 dedicated people will come who will have expertise, who must have solved such problems before and they will do research and understand the condition of the company and tell what you should do in the future. So most of the big companies help leti hain consultants ki. Aur consulting job mein logon ko kyu jaana hai? Wo isliye kyunki har 6 mahine aap ek nai client ke saath kaam kar raho. To maine apne 5 saal ki consulting career mein real estate bhi kiya hai, airlines bhi kiya hai, health bhi kiya hai, FMCG jase ki HUL, P&G jase companies jo direct to consumer hai. 
Balak toothpaste, shampoo, toothpaste, moisturizer, ye sab bhi kiya hai. Right? To you understand so much then you have got exposure after that to say that now where do I have to go so when I did this for 5 years then I enjoyed the most in health so I said I have done so much why am I enjoying in health then I do a little introspection so I said I enjoy in that thing where I see direct impact on people's life so you know, what was happening in other companies, you can see the numbers going up and down, that revenue of 1000 crores, this profit, but I wasn't enjoying it. But when I used to see that so many people are getting saved from this cancer treatment, then I thought, I have to do this. 
Right? So, I understood that I have to impact. And then, you know, I said, okay, which jobs are impactful and we will come to know what education is. But consulting helps you give a perfect exposure. After that, There are a lot of entrepreneurs. Let's talk about entrepreneurs. First, tell us about your starting salary. How much was your starting salary for consulting? In those days, it was 10 years. At that time, the starting salary was 13 lakhs from IIT. Per month, 1.1. Yes, but in today's date, if a consulting company is going to IIT, it will give around 20 lakhs. Which is topmost in today's date from undergrad. And this is a top job? This is a top job. If we go to IIMS, it will be around 25-30 lakhs. 
So the 50 lakh packages are for coding, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, mostly for coding. And the 1 crore packages are in the US. That means they will transport you there. They will give you a life in the US. And you'll be working for a big tech company, usually. Yes, usually Amazon, Google, all this. But you have to know that the 1 crore there... You can make it 1 third. Because there will be power parity. That means there are more expenses. There are more expenses. So savings. So there's 1 crore. Here's around 25-30 lakhs. Some IIT grads work with me. My co-founder Ayush Anand is an IIT grad. When you work with IIT grads. No matter how hardworking you are. I feel that I do a lot of work in life. 
What is there in life? But when I see his work. I got to know about the real friction. I have seen this in every IIT grad. Because it takes a lot of hard work to crack JEE. And in 11-12, the way people work hard for IIT, I have not seen other people working that hard in any other industry. And even after that, if you look at it, the ecosystem that IIT is giving you, the friction doesn't end. If you look at my daily life in IIT days, our class used to start at 8. 1-2 lunch break, 2-5 my lab work. So after 5 o'clock, again my work starts. 5-6 my break, 6 o'clock my dance competition preparation starts. Dramatic starts. Tomorrow my 2 assignments are due, so I have to do 12-2 at night. 
So you are continuously living that life for 4 years. From 8 to 2 o'clock, till 2 o'clock at night, when your schedule is so packed that you get used to that hard work. And when I am going to a college to hire, I want to get a student who is used to hard work. Only then my company will run. So that is the reason why these companies are going to only few specific colleges. Let's talk a little about IIT. Top jobs were consulting and coding. Consulting, coding, finance. There are a lot of top jobs in finance. But do you get a job directly in finance? Investment banks come to these colleges. But what skill set do you need? Skills, that's what I'm telling you. 
If a company is hiring from IIT, I didn't know anything about consulting. I did a little preparation, seniors guided me. But the company didn't come because Swati knows something about business. I did electronics engineering. The company came to take a smart kid. whom they think they will train because he is intellectually smart. And he has a habit of hard work, his attitude is right, his communication skill is perfect. This is what is needed. You can train on hard skills, right? So what were the packages of the people who cracked the finance interviews? Their packages will be a little more than consulting in that range. Finance jobs give more. So in today's date, if consulting is giving 20 lakhs in IIT, So the finance job would be around 30. 
I think when you get that 30 lakh job. Basically when you crack the job interview. After that there is a training phase of a month. If I am not mistaken. Usually. Yes and that also happens on the job. You also learn a lot from your supervisor. Basically in engineering college. If someone teaches you before the exam. That becomes your life. That bro teach me. What is investment banking? And I would also like to say that. If you are going to any college. So, the impact of seniors will be very much in your life. So, understanding and trusting them is very important. Meaning? So, let me give you an example. For example, my seniors, who had gone for consulting, I was taking guidance from them. 
Now, in IITs, you would know, there is a concept called day 1, day 2, day 3. Companies, a lot of companies come in a day. So, at 8 o'clock, I had to go to McKinsey at 8 o'clock, I had to go to Bain at 8 o'clock, BCG, I mean, I had to go and give an interview from the line and All companies come on the same day, similar timings. So I was going to a consulting firm for an interview. My senior said, Swati, stop. Don't go here, go here. So I didn't understand that there are two panelists of the same company. Why is my senior telling me to go here and not here? So at that time, seniors were considered God. So I went there. 
And my selection was done. Later I understood that The panellists in this room were more focused on communication skills. They were more focused on personality. They weren't so focused on business acumen because they believed that they would teach business. But the right-wing panellists were more focused on business. So my senior knew that she's weak on the business acumen. So because they nudged on the right opportunity, So I think my life has changed. So being a mentor in life and trusting them blindly, I think is very important because when and where they give you that one second nudge, it can change your life. Actually I wanted to ask you about IIT because I am from an average engineering college. Not even like the top college in Mumbai. 
And I want to compare the two games. But before that, I think a very important conversation here is about job interviews. After that, we will do the breakdown of IIT. Right now, you are running your own college. Yes. Masters Union. And basically, people take admission in your college because in the end, the package is amazing. The package is amazing because those companies know that the quality of the students here is very good. Absolutely. Whatever you said, you You are talking about 2012, right? 2012. Is there any difference between 2012's job interview phase and 2024's job interview phase? Or are companies searching for the same things? There is a huge difference, Ranveer. At that time, because education was not so democratized, there was not so much knowledge available on YouTube, so the bar of skill was low. 
If IIT is not teaching me business management, then The company doesn't expect that Swati knows all about digital marketing, product management. But now companies say that if you want to learn, then everything is on YouTube, everything is on Coursera. So you should come. So a skill bar has been raised. Secondly, companies have changed. In those days, MNCs used to come for the topmost job. Now let's come to startups. We have so many unicorn startups. Flipkart, Zomato. But these companies have a startup culture. Where they are saying that we don't have enough time to train you. So now train yourself. Because they don't have such long training modules. So I see that many people who haven't gone to IIT or IIM. But because they have polished their skills. 
They are doing very well in these companies. So one, skill bar has increased. Second, value of pedigree has decreased a little. Meaning? Meaning, if you see globally, Amazon, Google, Walmart, everyone has said that our requirement is not that you have a bachelor's degree. You apply. We will take you through our process. If you crack that process, then you are in. Earlier, this didn't happen. Earlier, paperwork used to happen. That which is the bachelor's degree. Even now maybe degree is an indication. But companies have become very open. And the world has moved to a skill oriented market. Rather than a degree oriented market. So now when I also hire. So I don't look at which college you are from. You will get an indication. 
Okay so the child is a hard worker. If he is from IIT. But if he doesn't know how to run excel. Doesn't know how to make slides in powerpoint. Which is not in IIT's curriculum. So, maybe I shouldn't select that. This might be my conjecture. Or maybe I'm genuinely saying this. If my own kids were teenagers today. They are not my own kids by the way. But hypothetically. If my own kids were teenagers. I would probably enroll them in your college. That's what I think. Because that's the need of the hour. Because the people who are in their 30s. Especially if you're a seasoned entrepreneur. Plus you've done corporate... the best part of the world. Consultant job. You know what you're doing in terms of the job market. 
So, even then, when I was in college and I needed career advice, only those who were of age 30 gave me the right advice. Because they know what's going on. My parents ask me this question a lot. Swati, are you talking about undergraduate business management? Job takes place only after MBA. This is our notion. This is from that time. But the parents are of that time. So, I am often told that after your undergrad, you have to do MBA. So, I always say that if we are talking about IIT, IIT Delhi, IIT Bombay, majority of the packages and top companies are business roles. These are not coding roles. There will be some, but majority of the companies are business roles. If companies are going to an engineering college, which is an undergrad, where nothing is taught about business management, then why aren't companies going to our business management colleges? 
That's because we don't have quality business management colleges. There are a couple of them, I agree. But not a lot. The brand of IITs has not been created by any college in business management yet. So, because of this, companies are forced to go to an IIT. And all the IITians, my husband, he has never done an MBA. That doesn't mean that no one is asking him. He is running a very successful company. That's because he has learned it. You learn in the job itself. So, I would like to break this notion that only MBA takes a job and without it, it doesn't take a job. In fact, very few of my batchmates have done MBA. Because their job took from IIT, right? And there, their career has been made. 
The reason for doing MBA has changed. I feel that even 10 years ago, the need for MBA was that the start of your career would be good. As in the start of your career would be very good. As in your pay package would be more. Basically to qualify for a higher pay package, you have to do MBA. And if you get associated with any brand, career trajectory also becomes good. I remember my first internship, a good internship in college, in third year of engineering, was in Ernst & Young. And I learnt a lot there, in the world of finance, like best decision of my life going there. Because I also came to know that I am not built for the corporate life. You think, can I make a PPT by sitting in a corporate office? 
Maybe not. And maybe you never know the parallel life. When I used to enter that office, my first thought was that I will get to learn a lot today and I wonder what time I can leave. This was the thought that when can I leave? That's a bad sign. That's a sign that you shouldn't be there. Correct. But I did it. I did an internship for 2-3 months. I learned a lot from people. The people who guided me well were in the same office. The 30 year olds. Correct. Because they had seen the world. My mentality for that internship was that my relatives They said do this internship because you have to do business in life. I had told my parents that I have to do business in life. 
So they said okay. So first you will have to do a job. So when I actually went to EY's office. And I talked to the senior there and said that maybe I have to do something of my own. I don't know what but definitely I have to do something of my own. There was so much self awareness. So all of them said then why are you here? If you want to do business then do business. This is a corporate life. So I said what is the meaning of this? So they said that Our job is very predictable. We enjoy finance, we enjoy numbers, we enjoy teamwork. But there is a steady ladder where you can climb. And in a lot of offices, in big companies, the corporate ladder means that if you are an undergrad from a normal college, I don't know about IITs. 
But if you were from a normal college, then you could take a promotion to a certain extent. And if you have to take a promotion after a point, Then you had to do MBA. But that has also changed Ranveer. So, like I was in Bain, right? And other consulting firms too. Never any company, consulting firm or any big company, I never heard anyone say that you are performing very well. Everything about you is very good. Clients love you. But we will not promote you because there is no MBA on your resume. When you prove yourself in some role, And you have become valuable for the company. So will the company want you to come with an MBA? If everything is going well and the performance is good, then the company will want to retain you. 
Okay, there is a hard-hitting question related to MBA. Will IIMs be relevant in the next 50 years? Because this is a momentum-based trend. IIMs have been very relevant for the last 50 years. I don't know if it will be relevant in the next 50 years or not. I might be totally wrong. I am trying to learn. My question is even more than that. Will colleges be relevant in the next 50 years? Even today, I meet so many teenagers, who are also content creators, who say, why should we go to college? Or they are already doing something or the other. Now, I can't say whether it is right or wrong. Right? It is a choice. But the work of colleges was two-sided till today. 
One work of colleges is to give you hard skills. I have taught you which will help you in your job. That has been democratized. You are available on YouTube. You are available on online courses. So the work of other colleges is to give you personality. To transform you. That will be relevant in the coming time too. If colleges, why are IIMs popular, why are IITs popular? Because they give you an ecosystem. The biggest value add that an IIM does in today's date is to organize a cat. So what are you doing? You are filtering the smartest kids. Then you are taking them. Now you put 400 smart kids who are already hardworking and ambitious in a campus. You will not teach anything. Even then, they will do something or the other. 
Okay, moving on. Now, let's talk about IITs versus Average Engineering Colleges. You said that you did a lot of research in IITs. Can you tell us the routine again? What was the routine? So, my class used to be at 8 o'clock. So, I would be ready at 8 o'clock sharp or else the door would be closed. Lunch break was 1-2. My lab used to be at 2-5. Where we were making circuits. I had electronics. We were super busy till 5 o'clock. After that, a little break from 5 to 6. After 6 o'clock, my committees, competitions, all that used to go on till 12 o'clock. Dance competition, dramatics, debate. After 12 o'clock, I used to do my assignments. Because tomorrow, something or the other is going to happen in class. 
So, from 8 o'clock to 2 o'clock in the morning, my schedule used to be packed. But I didn't get tired. Because I was doing what I loved doing. I used to get very tired. Because I hated what I was doing. Many engineers used to laugh at me. But now you love what you are doing. I used to get angry. And even after graduation, I was very angry about engineering college. And as my career progressed, as time progressed, I started valuing engineering college. Because I learnt collaboration. We used to fight. I used to endure politics. The professors' remarks. So when trolling happens on this scale, it's nothing for me. Because the professors just tore my heart out of my chest. So it's fine. I love what I became. 
I didn't love the process of engineering college, honestly. And because your experience and my experience is different. Because this conversation is very good. It's said that coal is crushed with pressure and turned into a diamond. So maybe you didn't enjoy that process. But when you have come out of it, you have come out as a better human being. My theory is that everyone has to spend 4-5 years for a strong career. I would actually say they have to spend 6 years. And I am saying 6 years because the outcome of IITs is usually that you get a very good pay package and at the start of your career, you get a lot of boost. Then it's up to you how much you want to take it further. 
But this 6 years of hard work behind the pay package or career boost at least means from 11th to final year of college. I started IIT coaching in 11th standard and in 3 months I came to know that this is not my cup of tea. I won't be able to do it. It will take a lot of hard work. And I am not in that hard working mode now. I chilled, did a little hard work, gave state exams, got admission in normal engineering college. In engineering also, I didn't sweat that much. I only sweat during the exam. And I sweated a lot emotionally. For different reasons. And I knew that I will have to sweat a lot from the age of 22 to 28. 
This was my mentality. Because it is your early phase of career. And in my engineering college, the top pay package was 12 lakhs. 13 lakhs. And that, maybe 3 or 4 kids used to get in the whole batch. And in every batch, I think there were some 700-800 kids. And normally, the average pay packages were about 25k-20k a month. So, the majority used to get less. 20k-25k, that was the average. So, I knew that I will have to do it. Then it depends on the students that in your own life, you have to identify that 6-year slot. Do you have to do it from 11th to the end of college or after the career? But you have to do it. And if you don't do it in the 20s, 30s, then you have to do it in the 60s. 
So it's better to finish it off early. I am always asked a question when parents come, when they take admission in the undergrad program of the Masters Union. So parents ask, Swati, will the placement be done? Will it be done in the top companies? So my answer is always that, look, it will be done for some or the other child. aur is company mein hoga aapke bache ka hoga ya nahi ye depend karta hai wo kitni mehnat kar raha hai aap platter pe khana de sakte ho kisi ko zabarjasti khila nahi sakte toh main hamesha hamare saare students ko yahi bolte ho ki hum opportunities la rahe hain hum aapke paas CEOs la rahe hain CXOs la rahe hain aapko itna exposure de rahe hain skills sikha rahe hain but agar aap usko absorb nahi karoge toh fir result achha nahi hoga 
And your batchmates will take those placements. But you won't be able to take them. Your IIT friends, what are they doing now? Are they doing different things? Look, the frontbenchers like me, they went to jobs. In consulting, finance, big startups, flipkart, etc. In good positions. And they did jobs for a long time. But the interesting thing is, the backbenchers, they are Unicorn founders today. Why? Because what do people like me think? I have always done in life, will not deviate, set path, do consulting, do what an MBA, go ahead, this is your life. But the backbenchers, they were more experimental. They didn't have an opportunity, cost that if I did entrepreneurship, then my Bain's job will go away. So they tried, tried a lot, did 1 startup, 2, 3, 4th was successful. 
And now it's been 10 years. So I look at them and say, you can't tell in college who will be successful. If the definition of success is financial success, everyone will be different. But you will always see in any college, the backbenchers will take more risk. Now obviously all the backbenchers are not unicorn founders. But they go exponentially. Hmm. All the backbenchers I know, and the ones I knew back then, none of them are unsuccessful. Yes, they do something or the other, because they are famous. Thinking, I'm really trying to think. Were you a frontbencher or a backbencher? What do you think? Somewhere in the middle. No, no. I was a lastbencher. There were a lot of problems with the professors. So, you yourself are such a good example, Ranveer. 
That you yourself, You know, you have carved your own path and you will be the most successful in your batch. According to me, I only did one thing right. And that was that in my 3rd year and final year, both my friends and professors used to discourage me a lot. Friends are like that, people around you. Bros, inner circle, they don't discourage you. They used to sit with me. But middle and front. They used to scare me that you are making a mistake. Why aren't you sitting for placements? This set path, why aren't you studying for MBA? Why aren't they doing GRE? Why aren't they doing GMAT? I used to say that I don't want to do it. I'll do something on my own. 
So they used to scare me a lot. And I didn't keep that fear in my heart. I used to feel fear. Absolutely. I used to think. And then I used to think that okay. How do I circumnavigate this fear? There must be some pathway. This is the gift of engineering. Yes. It's the gift of colleges. Let's not say it's the gift of engineering. But parents have to understand that if your child is a backbencher in today's date. So you can't tag him as Sharma ji's son. He is the front bencher. He got this much of a job. Because you don't know where the story will go in 10 years. And often when college students scare each other. They are repeating the conversations of their parents. 
In front of them. Now their parents are from different generations. So, from the perspective of 20 years ago, they are scaring their classmates. It happens even today. My niece, who is in college, and she is very confused, whether I should do marketing or finance. So, because I am from the corporate world, so I said, do what you are interested in, money will come. But she asked a senior, who is 50 years old, you know, I won't say in the corporate world, but she has some knowledge. So, she said, son, finance. Finance has a lot of money. Now when I talked to my niece, I told her that she doesn't like Maths. You don't love Excel. You don't like numbers. So how will you specialise in finance? 
You are so creative. She makes such good designs. She has such a creative mind. So I told her to do brand marketing. She was still scared. She was asked to do marketing. I said yes. finance the money. So, I feel that when children get this guidance, then it goes quite the opposite. Because they are getting the guidance from that 30 years old mindset. In fact, the world has completely changed. I think the only difference between the parents of that time and today's parents is that today's parents are a little bit open. Meaning, they take input from people of our age. Because they've probably lived through the same thing and received wrong advice. So when I was running Softclay, right? And after a year, I had joined the Masters Union after closing Softclay. 
I'll tell you the reason for that. What was happening in Softclay was that parents were asking me, they were very open. They were asking me, Swati, what should I do? And I used to say, you know, if this is good in design, then go to NID, go to NIFT, if this is good in this, then go there. The thing was that Swati, if you want to make a life, So even if he doesn't like engineering, he doesn't like coding, but if he goes to IIT, do you think his life will change? And I can't lie. This is the truth. This is the truth that even if you don't like engineering, because once you went to IIT, even I didn't like it. And I never did that electronic engineering job. 
And I had so many opportunities that I could do any job in different fields. So the problem... It's not that everyone has to do engineering. The problem is that in India, higher education is structured in such a way that all the roles are running towards IITs. And those roles have nothing to do with that engineering education. So parents say, just clear it. Then do whatever you want to do. And when I was giving this advice during soft clay, I was giving the same advice that you are right. If your kid is good in physics, chemistry, maths in today's date, then clear IIT. After that, opportunities will open up. That's when I realized that this doesn't happen in the US. In the US, you do different degrees based on your passion because all the good roles are not concentrated in one college. 
Right? So then we said that if there is a shortage of colleges and there is a shortage of good colleges which also teach other things where the kids are actually going, So that should happen. That's why we said, okay, Master's Union, business school, because all the roles are of business management, but they also went to engineering college. I am sure that you got the biggest soft skill boost in Wharton. Yes. Fair to say? Absolutely. Even bigger than IIT. Soft skills, yes. Okay. I would like to know about Wharton, because this used to be a dream education destination in our time. I mean, if you are a Wharton graduate, then it's considered that you have reached the pinnacle of education. Your career is completely set. 
And it is true from a financial perspective. But why does this happen? You need to know this. So, tell me. Start to finish. How did you get admission in Wharton? What did you learn? What was the outcome? And life outcome. That is, in your 30s, from what perspective do you see Wharton? And is there an education like Wharton now? So let's first understand what Wharton is and what Ivy League schools are, right? So if you look at the world rankings of MBA colleges, then Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, Columbia, there are many schools about which you will hear. So they are also called Ivy League schools. They come in the best business schools in the world. Specifically, if I talk about Wharton, then Elon Musk. 
Donald Trump, Sundar Pichai, they are all Wharton graduates. So, that's why you will hear about Wharton. And when someone wants to do MBA, then Harvard, Wharton, Stanford become dream colleges. So, it was also my dream. And that's why I wanted to go to Wharton. But before going to Wharton, I would like to say that everyone should be clear about why they want to do MBA. And then decide from where they want to do it. This is not a tick box. Because this is an investment of 2 crore. A Wharton fee today is 2 crore rupees. So this is a very big investment. Which we can't just say that if it's the best college then go and then we'll see. Right. So why did I have to do it? 
I'll tell you that first. So after IIT, many kids give CAT exam. I also gave. My IIM Bangalore was done. IIM Calcutta was also done. Interviews were also cleared. Everything. I had the admission offer from these two colleges. Now, if you talk about any middle-class Indian family, which I was also, then my parents said, it's a no-brainer. Swati, IIM Bangalore is done, you can go. And again, mama, mommy, chacha, chachi, everyone together said, how arrogant is your girl that IIM Bangalore is rejecting the offer. At that time, I was very clear that I also had an offer from Bain and the best job from IIM I used to do consulting, I knew it. So that too would look like this, right? One of the three top consulting firms. 
So I said, whatever I want after IIM, if I am getting that in today's date, then I will do MBA. I will definitely do it. But why should I do it from India's best business school? If I have a shot that I want to do MBA from the best business school in the world, then why should I not do that? Now you can say that this is a little privileged thinking because I had that option. But my decision matrix is always no regret decision making. Which means whenever I have options, I don't look at what the world is saying. I look at which decision I won't regret in the future. So if I had accepted the offer of I am Bangalore at that time, then somewhere in my heart I would have thought that maybe Harvard or Wharton would have happened. 
Wait kar liya hota, kyunki wahan jaane ke liya aapko 3-4 saal ka work ex chahiye. Right? Aur mujhe ye bhi clear tha ki, agar 4 saal ke baad maine try kiya, aur maan liji nahi hua, joki bohot logon ka nahi bhi hota, toh mai okay thi, ki maine ye decision liya aur phir mai MBA nahi garungi. Toh wo clarity hona aur wo ek acceptance hona, wo bahut zaruri hai. Kaise milti hai admission? Admission milti hai, aapko 3-4 saal ka experience hona chahiye. Different profiles hoti hai. It is true that IIT students go to these colleges because those colleges also know that good students come from IIT. But not only IIT students go. I would say many top business colleges, undergrad, SRCC, LSR, CFINS, students also come from here. 
There are many outlier profiles too. Some sports player, some actor, some CA, some entrepreneur. So, I would say they have some weightage or whatever but they always make a diverse class. You won't get all the same which happens in Indian colleges that everyone is coming from engineering colleges. That doesn't happen, there is a diverse cohort. So you can come from a good MNC with 3-4 years of work experience, you can be an entrepreneur, you are a good college plus mediocre company but there are some combinations. Process is very simple. After 3 or 4 years of work experience, you apply. The focus of US colleges is a lot that why should we take you? So they ask you a statement of purpose. That what do you want to do in life? 
And how can we help you? This is how it happens. This is how it happens. How long? Sometimes 1000 words, sometimes 500 words. And Indian students feel a lot that what are you asking? From where should I make this story? But we also ask this story in Masters Union. The reason is that No matter how smart you are, if you don't have clarity on how you will use this platform, then you are wasting that degree. And there are limited seats there, so they want every person who comes here to take advantage of it and increase it. So that is a statement of purpose, plus your GMAT score, which is quite high for Indians, because it has Maths, Indians are good at Maths. What is a good score? 
Out of 800, mine was 760. A good score is anywhere above 740. So 740, 760, 780. Maths or English. So it's like CAT, but it's a little different from CAT. But Maths or English. Which was more difficult? In Maths, GMAT is easy. In English, it's tough. CAT is tough in Maths. Because Indian standards of Maths are high. So Indian students crack Maths very easily. So you have to clear that. After that, you have an interview. If you get shortlisted, the interview is in India only. And after that, you get an admission letter. What is college looking for in potential students? What do they see in this? They see a coherent story. Coherent means? Coherent means that you are clear about what you want in life. 
What do you want to do? They want to know why you need this two-year MBA and how we can help you. If you feel clueless that I am doing MBA because I want to do MBA, then that is not the right answer. What did you write? At that time, I had to come back to consulting. So, I was doing it for exposure and learning. And I came back to Bain after my MBA. So I had written that I feel that I am a little immature now. You know, I get an engineering mindset while handling clients. And I don't know that much, the world is still black and white for me. Which was fair, I think, my clarity and I came back. So you can say that there is a very small reason to do MBA, but it is a clear answer. 
It is a true answer. It is a true answer. That look, my life is going well and I have to come back to B.A. But I feel there are some shortcomings in myself. You mean they are filtering out the lies. Yes, they are filtering out the lies. Now, it is also possible that a lot of people write lies. I am not saying no. There are a lot of businesses in India to help you get into an Ivy League school. And stories are written there. Children also go there. Now, I don't know whether a lie is filtered or not. But they are definitely looking at whether you have a clear answer. that what do you want to do here and why do you want to come here. 
What was the process of Wharton? I went there with the clarity that I am coming back. Look, every objective is different. Majority of the students came to US to migrate. That is a very big reason. So I would like to tell the audience that it is such an expensive investment and I got a scholarship and I also got sponsorship from my company because I was coming back. So that was not a big investment for me. But for a lot of people, it is a huge investment. So if you are investing, then a lot of people came because they want to settle in the US. That too is an aspiration. So that is the number one reason. Second is that I want a step up in my career. 
My undergrad college was not that good. So a lot of doors are not opening for me. People think like that. Not mine. But if this is someone's reason that my undergrad college is not good, then I want to do an MBA from a very good college so that roads open for me. That is also a good reason. The third reason for people like me is that I want to learn, I want to experience. I have not studied business management. So I have to study for 2 years away from the corporate world, be a part of that ecosystem, absorb it and come out as a mature adult. That was my reason. So I did it for this reason. So how was the experience? Because my objective was very clear. 
So I focused a lot on soft skills. So there are a lot of programs related to leadership. One minute. One step back. Classroom structure is there. Research is more focused. Explain from basics. How does an MBA program run there? Versus the average IIM MBA program. Is there a difference? Or is it the same system? Classes can be more or less similar. For example, IIMS has a very good standard. We are also Wharton-inspired in the Masters Union because Pratham and I are both from Wharton. So if you look at the layout of our classroom, it is C-shaped. So that there is more discussion in the class and it facilitates the professor. And this also happens in Ivy Leagues that you study through case study methods where everyone has a work experience of 4 or 5 years. 
So you will get to learn from each other as well as from the professor. So that learning, you won't believe, my batchmates, it was such a diverse cohort that my batchmates were Iraq's soldiers. So at lunch, you will learn more leadership from Iraq's soldiers or you will learn more leadership from a leadership professor. So those discussions in class are very enriching. And they also happen in IIMs. I didn't go there, but they do happen there. I mean, I know my friends have gone. So the classroom will be the same. But in our India, sometimes that classroom is not that diverse. Because more than half of them are IITians. The rest are from top colleges. We filter so much on the percentile of CAT that we want academic excellence a lot. 
So the level of conversations may not be that diverse. Classroom learning is more or less similar. But outside the classroom, which I just told you a course P3, right? In which in 8 weeks, every week, 8 of us used to discuss what is the definition of success for us. Before I went to Wharton, I used to think that the world is similar. My definition of success is similar to yours and someone else's. Because we were all the same in India. The people around me were like me. There I understood that no, the definition of success is different for everyone. Someone's definition of success is to make their parents' validation true. Whatever they are achieving in life, they are doing it to show it to their parents. 
And that is their success. Someone has money. I realized that this is all for me, but purpose comes first. And then I reflected that whatever I have done in life, and you won't believe, I don't even watch TV much. What is the reason? Because I don't see any purpose. Hmm. Unless it's a learning podcast or something. But I don't watch it for entertainment. Same. So I realized and that's not true for everybody. My husband watches a lot of TV. And he just wants to relax. So different people are different. And when I graduated from Wharton, I realized that now I have clarity in life. What do I want? How can Swati Ganneti's life be successful? Not anyone's. You know, how can anyone's life be successful? 
According to the society's standards. Yes. How long was the course? It's usually a two-year MBA course. Now, even one-year courses have started, right? But if you want to do proper learning, then I think that two-year immersion, outside the class, which is called out-class, we do it in the master's union too, outside the class, there was a lot of learning. We had a course, which we used to call Leadership Ventures. Usme aap 10 din, 20 logon ke saath mountain climb kar rahe ho. Ab aap sochogay ki Swati, ye kya cheez hai, ye kaunsa course hua. But us course me jo aap leadership seekh rahe ho, jo aap teamwork seekh rahe ho, aapka koi team member bimar hai, aap wapis jaoge, ya aap continue karoge aur usko ignore karoge. 
Ya aap aadhe log wapis jaoge. As a team leader, aap kya decision lete hain us wakt? That will teach you a lot, compared to you sitting in class and reading a leadership book. So we have done the same in the Masters Union. Half of our curriculum is outside the class because the experiences you learn, you can't learn in class. When you graduated from Wharton and your friends graduated from IIM, was there a difference between you and them in your education and their education? Hard skills, no. Maturity, yes. So, these colleges, first of all, the child who is graduating from IIM, he has either zero years of work experience, because many of my friends went to IIM straight after IIT. So, sometimes it feels like extended college. 
Because your maturity level has not increased. And those who have gone even after experience, they want tremendous uplift in their career, that's why they have gone to IIM. Right? So, your recruitment, You go to IIM and after 6 months, companies start coming for internship. So, your focus is not on learning. It is on those opportunities and doing those placements. Which is not wrong. It used to happen in Wharton too. Those who were recruiting, they had started to make resumes, do placements. That's why we have come here. Why have we come here? You do it for MBA, ROI. So, that's why... A lot of times in MBA, you don't get the maturity that you should get if you don't have work experience. Or you are so focused on recruitment that you are not able to absorb all the experiences that are happening around you. 
Which is the top job in IIM? Like we talked about engineering, consultant, coding and finance. Investment banking. These three profiles. So, here also the same profiles are there. Similar, right? Because business roles are coming. And these are business companies. So, they will go to IIMs first. Right? Because business is being taught there. Now, you can ask me, Swati, what is the difference? So, I will tell you. Like, I will give you an example of Bain. Because I have spent 5 years there. And I understand the structure very well. So, in Bain, if you join IIT at the age of 22, then in 3 years, you become a consultant. Associate Consultant 1, Associate Consultant 2, Senior Associate, you became a consultant in 3 years. 
If you join from IIM, then Junior Consultant 1, Junior Consultant 2, you became a consultant. So, the hierarchies merge there. After that, no one is asking you whether you are from IIT track or IIM track. So, when I joined at the age of 22, I was a consultant at the age of 25. If someone has joined from IIM, if he has graduated at the age of 27, or if he has graduated at the age of 25, then he is a consultant at the age of 27. And it happens that sometimes IIT people are supervising their seniors. Because your senior first took work experience, then went to IIM, then he came and joined in that consulting. But roles merge. So there is no such different track. 
The highest pay packages in IIMs are for these jobs, right? Yes, these are the day one companies. How much are the pay packages? If I tell you the highest, it was 57 lakhs this time. Similar IIMs are also in between 50-60 lakhs. And these are consulting companies? No, these are not consulting companies. Consulting companies give you a platform. And it's not necessary that the bigger the company comes, the more the package will give you. No, they are giving me brand, platform, learning. So, just starting salary is not everything. I know we are all very dungo. What did the package look like in starting? But you also see, after that, the trajectory consulting company gives you a package of 1 crore in 7 years. 
Will any other company give you 50 in today's rate? Maybe it's a startup. Maybe it is an extremely funded startup which is attracting you today. But maybe it will close in 2 years. What are these jobs of 57 lakhs? See, these are different. Mostly, I would say, they go to those kids who have more experience. If someone has 5 years of marketing experience. And some company comes looking for specifically marketing role. A senior middle management marketing role. So, she will take that kid's profile because it is like that. But you can't apply this to everyone. How much was it per month? 50 lakhs? How much was it? 5-ish, 4-ish, 5-ish. 4-ish, 5-ish, yes. So basically management, leadership, specialized roles. Specialized roles, absolutely. Okay. 
It happens in finance too. But I'll say that starting is not everything. You have to look at the full trajectory. Okay. One job profile about which we didn't talk in college is this founder's office role. It didn't happen then. It doesn't happen. Now so many startups are coming out. Even CEO's office. It's the same thing. You can call it chief of staff, founder's office, CEO's office. I did this role for 2 years in White Hat. After consulting, I did White Hat Junior for 2 years. So you become the shadow of CEO or founder. And you get to learn a lot. There is aggressive learning in that. Because you are not doing one thing. You are not doing marketing or operations or anything. CEO is thinking what he is thinking. 
Whatever project you are doing, if you want to launch it in a country, then you are doing that. If you want to make a process so that the sales team gets trained, then you are doing that. If you want to make a marketing brand campaign, then you are making that with the marketing head. So you get to learn a lot. And undergrads also get such roles if the undergrad is stellar. Yes. I have seen, I have a friend, Ashok Ramchandran sir. He was the CEO of Schindler. Every year, he would change his founder's office role. He would Get a guy, groom him and then send him to a department. This is the objective of that role. That you come, you become a groom, you understand the company and then you lead a department. 
So the duration of this role is from 1 to 2 years. After that, you will feel redundant. Because you have learned. You want to run your own department and you become a groom. So this is how this role works. Pay packages. Yes, on this... depends on the company if the company is very funded or doing very well then they will go above consulting and finance because they want to attract talent a lot of these startups instead of hiring from the campus directly target those companies so when I went in the role of chief of staff I went after Bain and in our company we hired at least 10 former consultants in the CEO's office because They have a skill set because a consultant is happy with the ambiguity of changing the client every six months. 
He doesn't get scared of giving a new thing out of uncertainty because every six months we have a new industry. So he needs that skill set. Second, he knows stakeholder management. Because I had handled so many clients, so many managers, so many teams, It wasn't like I had a problem working with a new personality. I was flexible. So consultants are usually flexible. So that's what a chief of staff role requires. So they go to campus too. Like my husband, when he hires a chief of staff, he goes to his alma mater, IIT. So they go to companies in their undergrads, in their postgrads. They also hire talent directly from finance and consulting. So there are different pools. Depending on the stage of the company and how much it can spend. 
Uh... If I was in college now, I would target one of these roles. 30-40% of our students go in these roles. Because real-world education is also available here. And I strongly believe that if your goal is to start a startup or work in the startup world, if you have a risky exponential goal, then this can be the best option. I feel that especially in India today, There are many rising startups who are doing well, who have even bigger goals. And this can also be a replacement for your MBA. The more I have learned in this role or in my own startup, the more I have not learned in a two-year MBA. So, many people think that we will do MBA, we will spend 25-30 lakh rupees and learn so much. 
It is better that you do this role if you are getting it. You will learn better than MBA. Hmm. You won't believe, I had all the brands, right? IIT Delhi, Wharton, Bain, I worked for 5 years. But I got the courage to start my own startup when I worked in the founder's office for 2 years. Because then you saw how a CEO, an entrepreneur works. Okay, we've talked about top jobs now. Yes. Can we go back to the formula? Yes. Let's do a little breakdown. This is an exercise for the audience, parents, students. I am doing this because at the start of my career, I used to work in an engineering factory. And a relative used to work there. My aunt used to work there. 
She sat down and told me that what are your three best traits? It was written. So I wrote fitness, communication skills and marketing. I knew that I can do these three things. That's why Beerbysers started. Actually we tried to start a fitness startup from there. But that led to Beerbysers. Which again used fitness, communication skills and marketing. Yourself. It's a very key exercise. This is a base level request. Do this. Write your 3 or 5 best things on a paper. Keep it on one side. Now back to the formula. 4 C's. So we talked about collaboration. How do you handle people? How do you work with your teammates? Conflict resolution. How do you solve conflicts? Confrontation. All this is within collaboration, I feel. 
What you can learn from sports and what you can learn from college committees. I also feel that if you work in the founder's office and if your founder is a good leader, then you can learn by asking them questions. Exactly. What should I do now? Give me mentoring. I mean, You can learn from older professionals. So we are done with collaboration. Do you want to add anything? No, you are absolutely right. How can communication skills be improved? This is a lot of practice. And for that, the most important thing is that you go out of your comfort zone. The one thing that we think that I will get embarrassed. Look, today I am able to speak in front of you and I am able to speak well. 
I have spoken on many stages too. But it's not like I've known this since childhood. There was a time in grade 7 that I didn't even know how to have a conversation in English. Right? So no one learns it. But if you keep in mind that it's okay to get embarrassed. I'll do it wrong once or twice. After that, I'll learn it slowly. So it'll come from practice. So put yourself in the uncomfortable situation and then improve on it. Hmm. Uh... I would also like to say that I have polished my communication skills because of YouTube. I have watched a lot of communication skills videos and I have applied those skills in front of the camera. And staying in front of the camera, my communication skills got polished. 
You gave yourself feedback that this is not looking good, that is not looking good. I used to watch my own videos and where my attention was slipping, I realized that there is a mistake here. Here if a video gets a lot of views, I would try analyzing what I did in it. That people have seen this. First of all, At the start of my career, I used to go on the road to subscribe to people. As in, at the start of my career. And you kept it on your ego side. Yes. I put it in uncomfortable situations. These were the two big communication skills boosts. I got the confidence that people do subscribe. Listen to me. There must be something in this. These are sales skills too. 
Basically, you are convincing people. Okay. Second C done. Communication skills and collaboration. For communication skills, I would like to give one more tip, which you said about English. There is a huge advantage. Like, Hindi is our mother tongue. I love Hindi a lot. But you shouldn't keep it as an ego that you don't want to learn English. English is a skill in India. It should be treated like a skill. Now, how do you improve English? Watch movies, read books. I also feel that an underrated aspect in English speaking is diction. The way you speak, your accent. Accent. Completing words. Vocal grammar. These problems happen in India. And at least I have solved this. By watching American and British content. And by observing. That's how your English improves. 
Anything else in communication? No. You are right. And I have also seen interviews of actors and actresses. That how they speak. They are celebrities. Like how Priyanka Chopra speaks. How Deepika Padukone speaks. So even from that. you start catching and surround yourself with such people who will help you to practice that language. There are small things like saying tur to tur and dur to dur. It's about practice again. Okay, third C. You will be able to help with critical thinking. I'm sure you must have focused a lot on this in MBA college. And consulting is basically critical thinking. How do you groom it? See, critical thinking is breaking everything and understanding the why behind it and solving it with the first principle. Right? 
So, like many times in business situations, you will say, my market share is not improving. My market share has fallen. But why has your market share fallen? Has there been any competition which has taken your market share? What... Industry has changed in such a way that your product is not being used anymore. And some other product has become a substitute. So, understanding the drivers of that problem and from that, doing data research and figuring out that yes, this is the problem. This has entered the market. That's why my product is not working. And hence, I need to attack this. I will say that yes, critical thinking is happening. This... In every role. I won't say that consultants need more. And influencers don't need. 
In every role. Wherever you are in life. You should know critical thinking. Because till you don't understand the root cause of something. How will you solve it? But how do you improve? Practice probably. Approaching problems. Approaching problems. But if you solve the problem yourself. Then maybe it won't happen. I have learned. If you say in your job, I have learnt from my supervisors, mentors, when nothing is getting solved from you and in front of you, you see that they put the business problem on the whiteboard and say that there can be four reasons. Swati, find out which of these reasons is there. That then gives you a habit, right? Even now, if a very complicated thing comes in my life that is not getting solved, it becomes such a big task sometimes that this project has to be done and it is not getting solved, then I always say, okay, 
Which four things will I have to do to achieve this? And which of these four things is it that I am a little scared that it will not be done by me, but it will be three. So let me do these three. And this fourth one, I take this as help. Someone else must be coming in my team. So according to that, I solve it. Okay, and last C, creativity. How can you increase creativity? See, when I was in college, and when you are in an engineering college, then you have a mindset that, I am not creative. I am very mathematical. I am very black and white. I don't like painting. In school, we used to have a mind that creativity means painting, fine arts. 
I don't like all this. So, in my mind, it was always that I am not a creative person. So, let's not talk about creativity. But when I went for consulting, I came to know that getting the right solution, figuring out what are the four options, and from those, What are the possibilities? That too is creativity. And to improve that, what I have done and what is written in many books is that there is a state called state of flow. In which you work uninterrupted for 2-3 hours with deep focus and that's when the best creativity comes. I am sure when you write your podcast or scripts, you are in the state of flow. Now with so much distraction, you know, phone is buzzing, email is coming, etc. 
People don't block that time to go deep. And there creativity suffers. I agree that we all have creativity. But if we leverage it, these two hours are my focus time, I won't do anything, I'll just think. And I'll think creatively. Sometimes even while bathing in the bathroom, creative ideas come, at least I know. So that's how you polish it. You give yourself the time and your brain to go. Go into that zone and say, you know, this is that idea. I think we have talked about four C's. The only thing I will add to creativity is, find your own creative inspirations. Like, I don't watch films these days, but I watch classic films that I have seen in my childhood. Top Gun, Godfather. 
And from there, I get video inspiration for content creation. Or actually I get creative inspiration from reels these days. I don't copy but you get inspired. That I will create something of my own. And if creativity runs out then I go to travel. I seek out experiences. From there creativity refills. Now we have to talk about P and D. P is passion. D is discipline. We have talked about passion now. I feel that you should do different things. And where your heart is happy. That could be a possible passion. But a lot of people will ask you and ask me too that how to find out passion we haven't got passion till today so there again I want to reiterate that do elimination and a lot of people take a deadline that you have to figure out passion till the age of 25 that you don't have to and you try and commit and go in detail so I never knew that teamwork will be a passion because in school I never knew 
I didn't do it. I always have to come first in the class. I have to sit on the front bench. But slowly, slowly, slowly, I understood that working with people is fun. And then I understood that doing that work is more fun where there is some impact in life. So, I enjoyed doing healthcare. I enjoyed doing education. So, I said, no, education or healthcare is what I want to do in life. And because health gets a little complicated with bio, jargons, etc. I thought that I will be able to contribute more in education. And now every day it's fun because you see those students groomed in front of you. My students who were there a year ago and who are there today, there's a lot of difference. 
And you feel so proud to see them. And that's passion. For me. D. Discipline. I mean, we can talk about this in one sentence and in one essay as well. In a sentence, for college students, I just want to say that, at least I have observed this in my life, that if you want to create discipline as a habit for life, then get into fitness during college. Because there you will not only get health benefits, which will also help you in mental health, but you will have routine-oriented thinking. That no matter how my day is, I have to work out at 5 or 6 o'clock, or I have to play sports or dance. Learn some activity and make it a routine every day. 
Have fitness in your life. That's my hack for college students. And this should be a lifelong habit. That mentality should be there. Not that until you get your six pack or until you lose 5 kgs or whatever. Your story is an outcome of your routines. Yes, your life is an outcome of your routines. This is the main thing. And I feel that you should focus on that routine building in college. It will help you in whatever job you go into. Wherever you go in life. One last point is left. In the mathematical formula of life success. And that is M. Mental health. I feel it's a subjective concept. Everyone will get benefits from their mental health due to different things. There is only one constant. 
According to me. Which is therapy. Everyone should know. Because I feel that in therapy. You get to know about such things. Which maybe you didn't even know. That these are your childhood traumas. And someone once said. The nature of childhood is traumatic for everyone. Everyone has their own trauma. Often you don't even know what happened in your childhood. But you shouldn't sit with those traumas, you should solve them. And a good therapist will help you solve those traumas. Therapy is like dating. Not all the therapists will suit your personality. If you find a good therapist, stick to that person. If you can't afford therapy, I would definitely say focus on physical health and mental fitness. Physical health means gym, sports, etc. Sleeping on time, healthy diet. 
And mental fitness according to me is meditation. I have seen a lot of benefits. I have talked a lot about it. I have also talked about it with Mr. Modi. But would you like to add something in this mental health angle? Yes. Yes, absolutely. And I feel that every person is different. So, like you said that you should take the help of a therapist. For me, my mental health always came from my family. Whenever I am around my family and whenever I get time with them in my life, my mental health remains the same. No matter how stressed I am or whatever, but that is my priority. In fact, when I came back from Wharton, many people asked me, who comes back from the US? 
People go to the US to settle there, why are you coming back? And my question was, why not? You will come back to your home, right? Why won't you come back? So for me, the reason for that too, when I introspect and understood, it was that I had to stay with my family. Because I wanted my family to always be at a walking distance from me. Now why is that? It could be upbringing, childhood. I have always been very close to my parents. But for me, that is happiness. So I designed my life like this. So you will have to figure out what your mental health or your happiness comes from and then don't compromise on that. So I knew that, in fact, even after my marriage, I had kept this condition with my husband that our house will be five minutes away from my mom and dad's house, then only we will get married. 
Now you can call it arrogance, do anything. But I knew that I won't be able to be happy if I can't go home every Saturday, Sunday. So, figure out who you are happy with and design your life like that. I think that's important. Actually, core thought is self-awareness. Yes. Which you get to know through life, unfortunately. So, try bringing early self-awareness. Swati, Ganeti, you are very... You are doing something in the world of education. But today's conversation was very epic and very important for parents and students. So thank you for your time. And any last message for parents and students? My message is to know yourself. Don't go by other people's definition of success. Know yourself and until you can't, take your time. 
And keep figuring it out. This is my message to students. Swati ji, we will see you soon on TRS. Thank you Ranveer for hosting me. Thank you. So friends, this was today's education-oriented episode of TRS. I want more and more teenagers to watch TRS. I want teenagers to sit with their parents and consume TRS together. Especially such episodes. I know that not everyone consumes every episode. But some episodes are such that will help you a lot in your career. So my request is that on your student groups, on your parents' groups, share this episode. India should know about the reality, about the world, about technological advancements, and about the advancements of education. Definitely, follow Swati Ganeti on their social media handles. Swati Ganeti will come back on TRS. 
But I would like to know from you, what would you like to know about education and careers? We have been doing podcasting for 5 years now. I feel that this podcast has become a platform. And your real problems, practical problems, Unne comment section mein share kije. We'll definitely be calling guests related to those problems of yours. Jo help meri generation ko careers ke mamle mein nahi mili. I hope that the next generation gains through the Ranveer show and people like Swati Ganeti of Masters Union.