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at the dynamics of the watts marriage it's an area that I think is very and
estimated it's not very often discussed I think one of the reasons is it's a
very tricky area to go into because you've sort of got to be quite authentic
equal to talk about what kind of husband was Kris warts what kind of father was Chris watts what kind of wife was
Shannon what kind of mother was Shannon and it's kind of difficult to have a
honest conversation about that without talking about both people so you know
you can't faily you can't completely you can't sort of cover the whole discussion
if you're only going to talk about one person whether it's Chris watch ocean and watts so in this episode we can go
into a little bit of detail about some of the dynamics in the marriage and
something that looks like what may have been Shannon's strategy to deal with the
spiraling debt situation they were in and I think if she'd implemented it I
think it could have worked I think it could have certainly made things better and certainly made things easier the
question is would would it have worked for Chris watch you know maybe it would have worked for the would have worked in
terms of kind of sorting out the immediate financial peril but but was it
something he would want right
something I've always been very curious about and very sort of in kind of
disbelief about is when you go through the discovery when you go through all
the ticks between Shannon and and Watson and vice versa clearly we don't have all
of them but there is no mention of
financial concerns from either of them
to one another or also to other people you just don't really you don't really
have that communicated in text we know that what said mentioned it to Kissinger
we know that he was concerned that
what's told Nicole that he and Shannon were house broke all the time and one
can imagine anyone in that situation would be anxious and worried and when
Nicole asked if his lifestyle was sustainable he said no now one wonders
if someone had asked Shannon about that you know you know are you guys house
broke all the time what you would have said if someone asked - you know is your lifestyle sustainable what which an N
have said how would she perhaps have responded and just to clarify you know
when you ask these questions we're not trying to accuse someone we're not trying to point the finger at someone
we're not trying to be on this person side or not on that person side we
trying to just understand the situation from an impartial perspective that's
really what we are always trying to do in all the cases that we cover
this particular episode is based on a blog written on February the 15th 2019
so it was compiled shortly before Chris Watts made his second confession
there's literally three days after this blog was written but before we get to
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defense attorneys droning on when the accused understand they tend to drone on
the whole idea of a criminal trial is
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murder trials take a long time the Patrick Frazee case is just gone to
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appreciate things you appreciate your life you appreciate the people that love
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the Thanksgiving coming up it's important to take stock and to see where we've come and what we know and what
we've learned and where we going so so that's kind of what what to cram rocket
science aims to do is be authentic and to be authentic one can't do in sort of
an instant authenticity is requires
effort and requires concentration I think the reason for that is because we
live in such a fake society we programmed to not be authentic we programmed to be zombies on social media
we programmed to be reactionary we programmed to be part of the tribe we
not programmed to think about things and to consider and to to kind of reflect
and true-crime rocket science then is contrary to that where I am trying to
program you to reflect obviously introspection one can do infinitely and
that's not all to one idea we want to introspect we want to investigate and
interrogate and then you wanna stop and we fast approaching that point with with
a Chris Watts case where it is time that we start to let go of this case and and
move on to others like the Patrick Frazee case and so on and the book that
I'm writing on on Frazee murder most foul what's so amazing with that case
and again it's when you let go of the one thing and go to another thing the meaning comes through you see how
phrases different across what you see how Kelsey Bharath is definition and you
see how the whole dynamic is totally different and yet within these differences there are so many similarities and this is how looking at
things in different ways and through different scenarios we get to know
reality better and we also get to know ourselves better and that's really the point at the end of the day okay so
let's get that let's get going with the westerland's plan to deal with the dead
situation the blog is titled that Chris
Watts wasn't going to like it not one bit and what that's already showing is
Shannon doing something that would have been perfect for her perfect for her
situation may have been perfectly not right for Chris Watts because he was
involved in something that he shouldn't have been because he was involved in something that was a secret and
inappropriate but that's not really the issue here the issue is what could have
caused schisms in a marriage what could have caused sort of tears in the fabric
and and and we want to answer that question we were we weren't answered
within the fabric of the case not not imposing our own thoughts honor than our
own bias okay so let's let's get to that if Shannon was in financial difficulty
previously and she was the solution seemed to be fairly simple move someone
in and scrump she did this in 2015 when I went bankrupt she moved in her parents for 15
to 16 months presumably the saved money in child care fees and by pooling
resources food and meals could be cheaper when the expenses were shared by
four rather than one or two
now there's more background to this situation and then I've actually
provided right here in this particular post and that is that when the rue six moved in with Shannon and her husband
they actually put their house up for sale and there's some indication that
the Rue six may have had some financial difficulties of their own not going to go into that in any detail here but you
almost have a situation it looks like you have a situation where they may have been financial difficulty and so it's
not just the Watts couple that sort of need helping out it is perhaps other
people as well and so them living together was a way of potentially risking themselves out of that situation
not just the Watts family but but perhaps their in-laws and in that
situation you can sort of imagine if the
Roo six had sold their house what would happen next would they move to Colorado
would they have how long would they would how long would they stayed in in
the house longer than they they were staying there we would have stayed in
Colorado and and what impact would have that have had on how things turned out
because I think in a way what what's did the factory was able to have an affair part of what kind of facilitated that
was the fact that he didn't have his family around him you know he'd moved
somewhere else so he didn't really have people who knew him so that you know the odds of being bumping into somebody when
he was with Kissinger was limited it's not not as though they were going out a lot together but they
did go to movies to get in a public place they did go to restaurants in a public place and one wonders you know if
the rusik say we're living in would watts have taken that chance would
have taken that risk but coming back to this original situation of them living
with Chris and Shannon for an extended period how would you like to live with
your in-laws for over year so whether whether you're a husband or a wife if
you just think about your life your situation your marriage how would you feel about living with your windows for
say a year and a half or so
and so the fact that the rustics did stay with the watts provided
investigators with some insight into the marriage in other words the ruh six were
living with them and so they could say what does it like when you were there you know what what was what was the
marriage like was sort of going on and
one of the things mentioned was that the
girls would get punished for anything and they would always cry for him
according to rusik he said Shannon said that up that when he left there after
watching them for the week that Shannon and Kris were gone they would fly to
North Carolina to to to be with him just to come back to this thing about that
the girls would get punished for anything they would cry for him I think this is a reference to Shannon's father
I don't think it's a reference to Kris what I think it's the you know the grandparents are often the good guys in
any sort of marriage situation they don't punish the children they don't
they sort of you know they tend to be the almost the Santa Clauses of over
family they bring gifts they bring love they bring support they bring kindness
and it's it's kind of more to the parents to bring in the discipline side
and to bring in don't do this don't do that and and as a result I think in most
families in in many families that the grandparents are sort of the heroes and
you know grandchildren love them and or thrilled when they see them as a
result when Shannon had neck surgery we
have another sort of precedent for this idea of bringing someone in to help in
some way and so when Shannon had a neck surgery which also involved a very
substantial medical bull you you can
kind of imagine that Cristina Meacham being around for two months may have had
something to do with babysitting and may have had something to do with we're not
we're not quite sure why she was they exactly for that length of time but it
does factor in that that maybe there was some kind of cost-saving aspect when we
go to Jeremy Lindstrom's sort of explanation for why that happened he
said well Christina needed to sort of be around because Shannon couldn't lift the
girls and so you must get this idea that christina was there to help with the
children and why did she need help with the terminal possibly because they were
not attending school during that time so they were taken out of school perhaps as
a cost-saving measure Shannon going to North Carolina for six weeks and the
whole idea there was also that the both sets of grandparents would look after the children while she was working it
seems as if that was potential cost saving issue as well but then but then
the idea was when she returned she was going to put them back into school and I
don't think Chris Watts wanted that I don't think he wanted them in school which is why I called the school on the morning of the murders to get them an
enrolled if that's a word to get them out of the school so that there wouldn't be any kind of
bull involved we know in 2018 they were
scraping the bottom of the barrel again and but there was a easy solution in the
offing do what she'd always done move someone in and piggyback until things
improve now I don't think there's any dispute of the fact that things were
really bad in 2018 we know all their credit cards are maxed out
we know that Shannon was upset with watts for not taking an uber to the
airport and forgetting really expensive parking and all that kind of thing I've
spoken about this before people may sort of push back and say well obviously she
was justified in doing that you know obviously he shouldn't have spent $60 on
a meal and he shouldn't have paid for expensive parking yeah true but the
other side of it is you know if you look at the Thrive things where they are going on holidays to faraway
destinations and she's driving an expensive car and they're living in an expensive house those two things don't
gel in a kind of obvious way I'm not saying that rich people don't try and
scrimp because they do I'm just saying the finances weren't great and and the
immediate sort of noticing of a of a transaction at a meal you know when you
when you somewhere else in another state and you immediately notice that this
particular bull has been transacted also
when he paid for the parking in here descend screengrabs of it and there's an immediate reaction Shannon also wanted
watch to keep the receipt of his meal at the restaurant that kind of immediate
reaction is saying that it's certainly an important issue for her that she's
immediately going to Google the menu and
all that kind of thing obviously she had
the affair on her mind as well but that the point is just that there was definitely financial strain involved and
Shannon was aware of this when the idea came of when he said he didn't want
another child and there was this possibility that I'm going to split up Shannon kind of realized I can't afford
to bring up three children alone in Colorado so they did they I think you
can you know you can sort of play devil's advocate and say if they weren't
struggling financially were they're prospering with a thriving with a you know with a sort of doing really great
financially that they could afford to buy big things I could could therefore to buy a second car could they afford to
buy you know make make sure other kind of acquisitions no answers no they were
behind on their mortgage so I just want to be explicit about that sort of aspect and so a potential solution to mitigate
the financial hemorrhaging not necessarily to bring in more money but to curtail the expenses was to move
someone in and that someone turned out to be Josh and Cassie Rosenberg just
another family of thrivers a mom and pop team and their kids who could pool their
resources this plan wasn't just theoretical we know this because on Saturday night August 11th when Watts is
wining dining and doing other things with Nicole Kissinger Josh Rosenberg
sent what's a text to ask if everything was okay and could they still come and
stay at the house meaning could they what was it slow cave they moved in and
Josh was sort of a way that Shannon was pregnant he wasn't supposed to be away
but he was away and but he was also a way that there was kind of strife on the
home front it was kind of unhappiness and so he was sort of you know it was quite a big deal the Rosenbergs wanted
to move to Colorado I think as he got a job in Boulder or something and and so
it was important that they have somewhere to stay when they were moving in the movie the move was in play it was
going to happen Josh again Josh had good reason to be uncertain if the plan was still in the offing because he knew
what's in his wife were arguing and if they were arguing where did it leave them right if they were gonna get
divorced then then they couldn't stay there so it was important that they know they're not getting divorced and so
Shannon may have been saying no no we're not getting divorced but what about what's how did he feel how did he feel
so when Rosenberg sent that text Watts didn't respond to Josh until the next
morning which was Sunday August the 12th and when he did he said it was cool even
though it wasn't cool at all what said they could move in but he wanted to know when which i think is
quite significant I don't think he did think it was cool and I think he did
want them to move in but obviously if he said that they would tell Shannon and then Shannon would know there was very
serious problems going on not only that it would also be a case that Cassie
would possibly take Shannon side and possibly Josh as well and and they would
then become like a an official opposition to Chris watts
so what slide Josh about something else he pretended he knew what it was like at
the Rockies game and there's a a text showing that so the fact that he was
lying about going to the Rockies game Josh didn't know about the affair well
he was probably also lying about the fact that it was okay for him to move in
it's important to see the text between Shannon and her pals Nicole and Cassy in
context to get a real sense for how the idea of moving in with Shannon to provide support
perhaps I'll pay the Bulls and take care of the kids came about it's clear and to some extent understandable that Shannon
Nicole and Cassie quickly formed a formidable alliance of three and their
main business if him was the general theme of it and you can go to the blog and go through the actual screen grabs
of the correspondence and read read it for yourselves you know don't take my
word for it go and look yourself and look at what they are saying to one another but as I said if him was the
general theme of it if him and take the house even though the house was in what's his name they figured they could
sort of bully their way into it and take charge and at the very least take the
kids and get half of what the house is worth if him perhaps under normal
circumstances what should have crumbled and turned the house over to his wife and whoever she wanted to stay over rent
cohabit or whatever but these weren't normal circumstances this situation this
time around definitely wasn't going to work for him and his mistress that's the critical point the critical point is
whether what's would in the past have fallen for this this wasn't the boss
this was a new situation and obviously if the Rosenbergs was staying with him
they would find out very quickly because when Shannon wasn't around they would be around and
it would be more difficult to fool an extra you know couple living in the
house you wouldn't obviously ever be able to bring Kissinger to the house again and also if he wasn't home you'd
have to kind of explain where he was he was you know on the phone he'd have to
kind of explain to them we he was and Cassie would probably sort of figure it out so the situation wasn't gonna be
very good if you wanted to keep up the affair so from here when I just refer you to
the red arrows and circles and some of the final texts at the blog post I've
provided a link to the description so you can head on out over then and just scroll down right at the end and then
just look at the correspondence yourselves but it's a conversation about
moving to Castile watts which another way of saying sort of the castle of the watts course or whatever and then and
then also a discussion on how weld County deals with alimony and splitting the house even if it is in the husband's
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