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You're hinting at the lack of foresight being remarkable when events could be anticipated. (edited)
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:41
By us I meant discord users not governmental agencies and international organisations
2 05/05/2025 11:42
If I was in the government and discovered aliens I would just cover it up and go after people who think they saw something

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Dracula
By us I meant discord users not governmental agencies and international organisations
6 05/05/2025 11:42
They don't have to be neither of these. We can discuss the same ideas that these groups are discussing and see if we could come up with something better
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:43
Without their resources you can't come up with a practical conclusion for this specific matter
Dracula
Without their resources you can't come up with a practical conclusion for this specific matter
2 05/05/2025 11:43
But I watched a conspiracy documentary
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:43
I'm not against trying though as long as you are aware that you're speculating
2
But I watched a conspiracy documentary
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:43
Lmao what
Dracula
I'm not against trying though as long as you are aware that you're speculating
2 05/05/2025 11:44
People like their fun thought experiments. Personally I wouldn't waste my time thinking about the matter either
Dracula
Lmao what
2 05/05/2025 11:44
People are so convinced about aliens because of these things
2
People like their fun thought experiments. Personally I wouldn't waste my time thinking about the matter either
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:44
I love thought experiments what I don't is the conviction behind the conclusions that come after
2
People are so convinced about aliens because of these things
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:45
They live in a flat earthers like mindset
Dracula
I love thought experiments what I don't is the conviction behind the conclusions that come after
2 05/05/2025 11:46
cough conspiracy nuts cough religion cough gossipers
Shoot I believe in conspiracies myself but they're actually proven okay
There's a difference between Nixon wrote the drug laws to Target anti-war hippies and there's a secret cabal of blood drinkers throughout Hollywood
Unless somebody wants to correct me on that I mean maybe I just haven't seen the right evidence for the baby blood drinkers
I'm just saying
People just take a bunch of claims with the flimsiest justifications and run with it
Make it their whole life
I know somebody who believes in some of this stuff and the process is so intuitive it's just completely unreliable the conclusions they come to. They interpret these symbols and shit and find correlations in somewhat similar but at the same time not really at all similar symbols appearing in pop culture to decipher some kind of message. And I'm like bro. Stop.
This is all nonsense
You're literally creating the whole narrative out of thin air
And then they ask me right, what does this look like to you? And I say I completely different symbol than they said. And so it's like yeah, turns out it isnt as factual as they thought it's some kind of subjective interpretation they made that they can't at all be sure means what they're saying it means but they are so sure anyways. (edited)
1 05/05/2025 11:52
Well the question itself is about life outside earth, space is too immense to explicitly say "there's nothing in the entire universe"- you just can't say that. We also don't have strong reasons to believe life outside earth can't exist.
Also the conventional scientifically thinking is that they probably should exist- we just don't find them. (edited)
1
Well the question itself is about life outside earth, space is too immense to explicitly say "there's nothing in the entire universe"- you just can't say that. We also don't have strong reasons to believe life outside earth can't exist.
2 05/05/2025 11:53
I'll believe it exists when I see it. The default position is the null hypothesis, which is that it does not until we are given evidence to believe it does
That's why I feel comfortable saying a lot of things don't exist. Like a teacup orbiting mars, or fairies. Can I prove those things don't exist? Of course not. But there's no reason I should be entertaining the idea they exist in the first place
1 05/05/2025 11:54
What "it does not", if you say they can't or don't exist then you're not basing urself in a null hypothesis
Youre making a strong claim
which we have no evidence for
So i repeat again, the conventional thinking -and using basic logic- is that life in other planets should exist, because the universe is too vast, just that we don't find them- (edited)
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So i repeat again, the conventional thinking -and using basic logic- is that life in other planets should exist, because the universe is too vast, just that we don't find them- (edited)
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:55
No
2 05/05/2025 11:55
If somebody asked me if somebody slapped me across the face when I was an infant, I would say no. I don't have any evidence of this, my memory wasn't developed by then. But come on. In normal human discernment, it just doesn't make sense to be undecided about literally everything in life
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:56
It's "we don't know"
That's the scientific stance on this matter
2 05/05/2025 11:56
Sometimes you can just say no, it's not the case. Because we don't have a reason to believe it is the case.
2
There's a difference between Nixon wrote the drug laws to Target anti-war hippies and there's a secret cabal of blood drinkers throughout Hollywood
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:56
Exactly
1 05/05/2025 11:56
Yes, if you see carefully, saying they probably should exist, but we don't know, they aren't crontradictory
thanks tho
both are the scientific stance
Bc we are actively looking for them
Dracula 05/05/2025 11:56
I beg to differ
"They probably should know" is a statement
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What "it does not", if you say they can't or don't exist then you're not basing urself in a null hypothesis
2 05/05/2025 11:57
btw saying "it does not" is what the null hypothesis is
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Dracula 05/05/2025 11:57
You need to know in order to say that statement
2
If somebody asked me if somebody slapped me across the face when I was an infant, I would say no. I don't have any evidence of this, my memory wasn't developed by then. But come on. In normal human discernment, it just doesn't make sense to be undecided about literally everything in life
1 05/05/2025 11:58
You have no reason to believe that somebody slapped you across the face if you have no evidence, so you can't make that inference. We have reason to believe that the universe holds other life beings beside us, because we're here. We're here, maybe there's others there. Simple.
2 05/05/2025 11:58
This one clarifies that it is the default
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1 05/05/2025 11:58
That's a basic inference
1
Bc we are actively looking for them
Dictator Foxy 05/05/2025 11:59
For what purpose do we need to looking for them?
1
You have no reason to believe that somebody slapped you across the face if you have no evidence, so you can't make that inference. We have reason to believe that the universe holds other life beings beside us, because we're here. We're here, maybe there's others there. Simple.
2 05/05/2025 11:59
us being here does not imply other things elsewhere at all. If you write an entry in a journal signed with your name and date, does that have to simultaneously exist elsewhere too? No.
What's the logical basis for saying that just because life exists here it has to exist elsewhere? That's a huge assumption
You don't even know how life was created here in the first place to say that it's possible to be created elsewhere
1
You have no reason to believe that somebody slapped you across the face if you have no evidence, so you can't make that inference. We have reason to believe that the universe holds other life beings beside us, because we're here. We're here, maybe there's others there. Simple.
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:00
Cause we're here therefore others must be?
2
This one clarifies that it is the default
1 05/05/2025 12:00
Saying “aliens don’t exist until proven otherwise” is not holding the null hypothesis — it’s asserting a belief in their nonexistence, which is a strong claim, just like believing they do exist.
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:00
I don't know it's not very logical to me
1 05/05/2025 12:00
I've said it before
1
Saying “aliens don’t exist until proven otherwise” is not holding the null hypothesis — it’s asserting a belief in their nonexistence, which is a strong claim, just like believing they do exist.
2 05/05/2025 12:00
That is the null hypothesis because we don't have any evidence that aliens exist. The null hypothesis is the default position that something is not the case
1 05/05/2025 12:01
uhm, no. For example, i can't tell you if there's a person in the US drinking water, i have no evidence. I use reason: uh there probably is
same with aliens
2 05/05/2025 12:01
It's essentially the "innocent until proven guilty" of science
1 05/05/2025 12:02
thats the scientifical stance, while we don't know if they EXIST or NOT exist
null hypothesis is not a "yes or no"
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:02
That's simply incorrect
2 05/05/2025 12:02
And in the court of law they're not saying they literally know the person is innocent just because they weren't proven guilty. But that is still the default position, they are considered innocent.
Dracula
That's simply incorrect
1 05/05/2025 12:02
Okay, argue against it
2 05/05/2025 12:02
It's the same parallel
In science things are not true until they are proven true, in court everyone is innocent until they are proven guilty.
That's how it always works
1
Okay, argue against it
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:03
I did
1 05/05/2025 12:03
"In science things are not true until they are proven true" okay- Are they false until proven true? no. that's what ur telling me
So i'm saying that's wrong.
Basic science.
1
"In science things are not true until they are proven true" okay- Are they false until proven true? no. that's what ur telling me
2 05/05/2025 12:03
Yes they are false, not true, etc
Null value = false
1
Basic science.
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:04
Why are you presenting your misinformation as objective truth
You can use chat gpt
Ask it what does "the burden of proof" means
2
Yes they are false, not true, etc
1 05/05/2025 12:06
You can use chatgpt too to learn that you don't have to prove something to say that it isnt false. In fact, science doesnt actually state absolute truths as to say "this is true 100%". But we do come close.
So what you guys are saying is not accurate.
1
You can use chatgpt too to learn that you don't have to prove something to say that it isnt false. In fact, science doesnt actually state absolute truths as to say "this is true 100%". But we do come close.
2 05/05/2025 12:06
This is Chat GPT explaining the null hypothesis. In the example they used, they are literally claiming, a strong claim in your eyes, that the drug has no effect, right at the beginning. (edited)
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1 05/05/2025 12:07
Okay, stating the null hypothesis is good, now link it to your argument in question we have here.
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Okay, stating the null hypothesis is good, now link it to your argument in question we have here.
2 05/05/2025 12:08
Null hypothesis: there is no connection between human life existing and the possibility of Life existing elsewhere 
Alternative hypothesis: life existing here implies something about whether life exists elsewhere
1 05/05/2025 12:08
First off you should know that you're talking about a statistical concept (the null hypothesis you linked to chatgpt)
THe way you're wording is not statistical tho.
2 05/05/2025 12:09
Was the way it worded it statistical?
1 05/05/2025 12:09
"there is no connection between human life existing and the possibility of Life existing elsewhere "
This is just a statement, i don't know how to connect it to the debate we have. You have to prove with evidence a statement like that.
1
"there is no connection between human life existing and the possibility of Life existing elsewhere " This is just a statement, i don't know how to connect it to the debate we have. You have to prove with evidence a statement like that.
2 05/05/2025 12:10
That statement is the null hypothesis...
All null hypotheses are statements
1 05/05/2025 12:11
I'll be nice and help the debate, you want to argue that life existing outside is false because we have no direct evidence.
First off, that's not science, because science doesn't deny the existence of things unless we explicitly know "it can't exist"
What you maybe wanna say is "there are no good reasons to think life outside earth exist, because evidence is lacking" (edited)
Do we agree?
1
I'll be nice and help the debate, you want to argue that life existing outside is false because we have no direct evidence. First off, that's not science, because science doesn't deny the existence of things unless we explicitly know "it can't exist" What you maybe wanna say is "there are no good reasons to think life outside earth exist, because evidence is lacking" (edited)
2 05/05/2025 12:11
No science literally does. It says it's false until it's proven true. That's how it has always worked
1
I'll be nice and help the debate, you want to argue that life existing outside is false because we have no direct evidence. First off, that's not science, because science doesn't deny the existence of things unless we explicitly know "it can't exist" What you maybe wanna say is "there are no good reasons to think life outside earth exist, because evidence is lacking" (edited)
4 05/05/2025 12:12
For the time being it's an unfalsifiable supposition
Totally overslept fucking ridiculous
1 05/05/2025 12:13
Well, you have a clearly bad knowledge of science, im sorry.. Both claims (true and false) require evidence
4 05/05/2025 12:13
Yes, and there isn't any
1 05/05/2025 12:13
Will ima answer that later because that's another matter.
4 05/05/2025 12:13
Burden of proof is on those who posit such supernatural things
1 05/05/2025 12:13
He's denying basic science.
4
Yes, and there isn't any
1 05/05/2025 12:14
i take this as a practical statement tho
4 05/05/2025 12:14
Maybe but don't you agree the burden of proof lies on those who make mysterious claims without back up
2
No science literally does. It says it's false until it's proven true. That's how it has always worked
1 05/05/2025 12:14
Things are not false until proven true. I just refuted that with the water drinking person.
4
Burden of proof is on those who posit such supernatural things
2 05/05/2025 12:14
The burden of proof is on those making claims yes
2
The burden of proof is on those making claims yes
1 05/05/2025 12:15
denying something is a claim.
You need to fundament that claim.
4 05/05/2025 12:15
I think so, least on something that unverified, literally nothing supports it beyond human speculation
So if not proven, it isn't like you're both equally valid
One has no evidence the other conforms to the lack of evidence
1
same with aliens
2 05/05/2025 12:15
Dude that is not the same. You know that's not the same.
We see people drinking water every day, we know everybody literally has to do it to live, there's no Gap in which this many people can possibly coordinate not drinking water at the same time. You've never seen an alien. Stop (edited)
1 05/05/2025 12:16
I'm going crazy.. conforming with "lack of evidence" means accepting that we don't know either way- so if you wanna deny the existence of aliens when you haven't gotten go not 1 planet outside your solar system, that's not science.
thyat's not conforming with lack of evidence either
Conforming with lack of evidence is saying "we dont know for sure". On top of that, you can argue one way or the other.
4 05/05/2025 12:17
His point seems to be you can't say definitively no such place exists, and I mean yeah that applies to a lot. I can't prove that a demon deity called Dennis doesn't rule the universe from inside an apple with a condom strapped to his head (edited)
1 05/05/2025 12:18
If you wanna say "there's probably no aliens because evidence is lacking" then that's fine, but debatable. And you have to say "PROBABLY", not state it as a fact.
4
His point seems to be you can't say definitively no such place exists, and I mean yeah that applies to a lot. I can't prove that a demon deity called Dennis doesn't rule the universe from inside an apple with a condom strapped to his head (edited)
1 05/05/2025 12:18
Yeh, but a ridiculous claim is different than a basic inference. i explained it before.
4
His point seems to be you can't say definitively no such place exists, and I mean yeah that applies to a lot. I can't prove that a demon deity called Dennis doesn't rule the universe from inside an apple with a condom strapped to his head (edited)
2 05/05/2025 12:18
Yeah you can't prove the demon doesn't, but it would be ridiculous to believe he does right? When you haven't seen any indication of that whatsoever. You're going to say that's false. If somebody asks you whether that's there you're going to say no. Anybody who answers that with a beta "m-maybe he might exist I don't know I can't say whether he does or not" needs to go touch grass
1
Yeh, but a ridiculous claim is different than a basic inference. i explained it before.
4 05/05/2025 12:19
Tbh they're all ridiculous to suggest as fact, it's faith and nothing more.
That's fine but just admit it
3 05/05/2025 12:19
Why the hell does this server always, always, always not direct me to notification pings when I click on them?
4 05/05/2025 12:20
Check notifications settings to switch off
2
Yeah you can't prove the demon doesn't, but it would be ridiculous to believe he does right? When you haven't seen any indication of that whatsoever. You're going to say that's false. If somebody asks you whether that's there you're going to say no. Anybody who answers that with a beta "m-maybe he might exist I don't know I can't say whether he does or not" needs to go touch grass
1 05/05/2025 12:20
yes, he does indeed need to go touch grass, because there is no absolute evidence for an absdurd claim that comes from nowhere. But believeing that the trillions of planets out there have NOTHING without providing any evidence, then you're making an absurd claim without wanting to give evidence for. (edited)
Brom 05/05/2025 12:21
The null hypothesis is an assumption to test a hypothesis against
Its truth value is not the thing being studied in NHST
1
yes, he does indeed need to go touch grass, because there is no absolute evidence for an absdurd claim that comes from nowhere. But believeing that the trillions of planets out there have NOTHING without providing any evidence, then you're making an absurd claim without wanting to give evidence for. (edited)
3 05/05/2025 12:21
The Dark Matter theory is complete nonsense.
2
Yeah you can't prove the demon doesn't, but it would be ridiculous to believe he does right? When you haven't seen any indication of that whatsoever. You're going to say that's false. If somebody asks you whether that's there you're going to say no. Anybody who answers that with a beta "m-maybe he might exist I don't know I can't say whether he does or not" needs to go touch grass
4 05/05/2025 12:21
Yeah I mean I made it ridiculous to put his idea in stark relief but beyond Intuition, or faith, whatever one wishes to call it...we as humble homo sapiens can't know such things

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yes, he does indeed need to go touch grass, because there is no absolute evidence for an absdurd claim that comes from nowhere. But believeing that the trillions of planets out there have NOTHING without providing any evidence, then you're making an absurd claim without wanting to give evidence for. (edited)
2 05/05/2025 12:21
There is nothing there. We have seen nothing. We have done all this observing and we have not seen a single alien. As it stands, there are none. Anybody who says aliens exists is making it up
3 05/05/2025 12:21
There is no why billions of galaxies would have formed randomly.
Brom 05/05/2025 12:21
Whether you have ample evidence to reject it or not is what you study
2 05/05/2025 12:21
They're a grifter, they need to be shut down
Brom 05/05/2025 12:21
Not whether you should accept it as the truth
1
yes, he does indeed need to go touch grass, because there is no absolute evidence for an absdurd claim that comes from nowhere. But believeing that the trillions of planets out there have NOTHING without providing any evidence, then you're making an absurd claim without wanting to give evidence for. (edited)
4 05/05/2025 12:22
Nobody thinks they came from nothing, the question is what....and the answer is, we don't know
4
Nobody thinks they came from nothing, the question is what....and the answer is, we don't know
3 05/05/2025 12:22
I think you are equating to this to "I cannot frame evidence with faith." (edited)
2
There is nothing there. We have seen nothing. We have done all this observing and we have not seen a single alien. As it stands, there are none. Anybody who says aliens exists is making it up
1 05/05/2025 12:22
"we have seen nothing, so there's nothing there". It's not like you visited someone's house, mate. We find clues through data, not "visiting other planets to see what's there"
1
"we have seen nothing, so there's nothing there". It's not like you visited someone's house, mate. We find clues through data, not "visiting other planets to see what's there"
2 05/05/2025 12:23
Where's the data that has shown aliens?
3
I think you are equating to this to "I cannot frame evidence with faith." (edited)
4 05/05/2025 12:23
No I'm saying no theologian or scientist thinks the universe came from nothing
2
Where's the data that has shown aliens?
1 05/05/2025 12:23
I didn't say there was. I'm saying that the data we collect is limited, so you can't say "oh we checked most of it, no aliens exist anywhere" (edited)
4
No I'm saying no theologian or scientist thinks the universe came from nothing
3 05/05/2025 12:24
Right. One thinks a grand arbiter created existence and other things random spontaneous bursts of dark matter created existence. (edited)
1 05/05/2025 12:24
When the reality is "we can't say aliens exist yet because no data supports it". Different things.
1
I didn't say there was. I'm saying that the data we collect is limited, so you can't say "oh we checked most of it, no aliens exist anywhere" (edited)
2 05/05/2025 12:24
We don't need to say that though. We don't need to. That's an absurd standard. I'm going to make the claim right now that nobody is hunting me down and trying to kill me. I could be wrong, I didn't scour the entire internet with NSA level surveillance to see if somebody on discord got pissed enough at me over one of our arguments to take a rifle up
1
When the reality is "we can't say aliens exist yet because no data supports it". Different things.
3 05/05/2025 12:24
Aliens are really just demons.
3
Right. One thinks a grand arbiter created existence and other things random spontaneous bursts of dark matter created existence. (edited)
4 05/05/2025 12:24
Not random, any more than God would be. And btw when they say the big bang theory...that's because it's also a theory
2 05/05/2025 12:24
And I really shouldn't need to go that far to make this claim (edited)
3 05/05/2025 12:24
Notice how our governments are saying they are seeing UFOs coming out of the ocean.
Brom 05/05/2025 12:24
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4 05/05/2025 12:24
May have been events before that
We don't know
3 05/05/2025 12:25
And the demons entered the ocean through pigs according to Christian theology.
Seems pretty consistent.
Brom 05/05/2025 12:25
Damn
We figured it out now
4 05/05/2025 12:25
I get the utility of religion
But yeah no basis to know for sure
NONE
4
But yeah no basis to know for sure
3 05/05/2025 12:25
"We know by faith alone."
Seems like faith offers knowledge.
Might just be my understanding though.
2
We don't need to say that though. We don't need to. That's an absurd standard. I'm going to make the claim right now that nobody is hunting me down and trying to kill me. I could be wrong, I didn't scour the entire internet with NSA level surveillance to see if somebody on discord got pissed enough at me over one of our arguments to take a rifle up
1 05/05/2025 12:26
I think you just don't grasp science/claims/evidence properly. No offense tho.
1
I think you just don't grasp science/claims/evidence properly. No offense tho.
2 05/05/2025 12:26
Obviously, and obviously I think the same of you
1 05/05/2025 12:26
Check with an Ai then.
3
"We know by faith alone."
4 05/05/2025 12:26
Yes, if people said that, I wouldn't mind. Intuition, faith etc. It's only when people start pretending this is an obvious fact of logical deduction that I think they're just being liars.
1
Check with an Ai then.
2 05/05/2025 12:26
You do remember I posted it earlier
4 05/05/2025 12:27
I can respect faith, I don't respect you claiming is faith is science...cause it ain't.
2
You do remember I posted it earlier
1 05/05/2025 12:27
you asked it a definition, you didn't present your position and mine.
You'll see you don't comprehend science.
4
Yes, if people said that, I wouldn't mind. Intuition, faith etc. It's only when people start pretending this is an obvious fact of logical deduction that I think they're just being liars.
Brom 05/05/2025 12:27
This is an obvious fact of logical deduction
3
"We know by faith alone."
4 05/05/2025 12:27
I can relate although I don't have any books attached to my idea of God
1
You'll see you don't comprehend science.
3 05/05/2025 12:27
Dismissal by assertion fallacy.
Not cool.
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:28
I don't understand
3
Dismissal by assertion fallacy.
1 05/05/2025 12:28
Don't understand your point
Explaining is better
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:28
Aliens can neither be proven or disproven
What's the case then
1
Don't understand your point
3 05/05/2025 12:28
Now you're hypocritically saying you are allowed to not understand but someone else is not. (edited)
Dracula
What's the case then
4 05/05/2025 12:28
I know where they'd land chief
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:29
Tell me
2 05/05/2025 12:29
People being like this on these conversations makes me want to troll the world with claims that I'm God
Dracula
Aliens can neither be proven or disproven
3 05/05/2025 12:29
Depends on what you classify as an alien.
2 05/05/2025 12:29
Try disproving it. You'll never get there
Massive cult following is going to be a pain in the ass for Earth
2
People being like this on these conversations makes me want to troll the world with claims that I'm God
3 05/05/2025 12:29
Your physical body and soul can die. (edited)
That is proof alone.
3
Your physical body and soul can die. (edited)
2 05/05/2025 12:29
Nope, I'll reincarnate. The physical death is intended
Dracula
Tell me
4 05/05/2025 12:29
Well everybody was very excited about the grand canyon when I went, so beautiful, and tbh my thought is it looks like a red clay rock formation where aliens land and face fuck you.
3
Now you're hypocritically saying you are allowed to not understand but someone else is not. (edited)
1 05/05/2025 12:29
never said someone isn't allowed to "understand", but clearly not understanding someone else's comment is different than not understanding a concept you're talking about.
4 05/05/2025 12:30
Guess it says a lot about how my mind works lol
2
Nope, I'll reincarnate. The physical death is intended
3 05/05/2025 12:30

3
Depends on what you classify as an alien.
Dracula 05/05/2025 12:30
Yeah hard to define
3 05/05/2025 12:30
God's do not reincarnate.
Nice sophistry.
2 05/05/2025 12:30
My followers will know the signs and they'll bring me back up to speed
3
God's do not reincarnate.
4 05/05/2025 12:30
You don't know dude
3
God's do not reincarnate.
2 05/05/2025 12:30
Are they incapable? I thought they were all-powerful
2
My followers will know the signs and they'll bring me back up to speed
3 05/05/2025 12:30
God's are not dependant on their followers.
4 05/05/2025 12:30
Believe what you wanna believe...on faith
3
God's are not dependant on their followers.
2 05/05/2025 12:31
They're not. I set the followers in motion from the beginning, it could have only went down that way so they'll be thanking me once they find me for what I have done
2
Are they incapable? I thought they were all-powerful
3 05/05/2025 12:31
Straw man; I never say they were incapable, I said it is not in their nature to do so. Not a single theology on earth says God's reincarnate. (edited)
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Straw man; I never say they were incapable, I said it is not in their nature to do so. Not a single theology on earth says God's reincarnate. (edited)
2 05/05/2025 12:31
Mine does.
4 05/05/2025 12:31
Try to extend this fucker an olive branch with my deism and he continues ploughing ahead with this nonsense
2 05/05/2025 12:31
That's how it works. I have declared it and I am God so I can't be wrong.
4
You don't know dude
3 05/05/2025 12:31
I think saying that "we do not know" to the religious frameworks we established on earth is pretty stupid, to be fair.
kekw
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Mine does.
3 05/05/2025 12:32
"Mine?" As in you are not a God?
Interesting.
Anyways.
3
I think saying that "we do not know" to the religious frameworks we established on earth is pretty stupid, to be fair.
4 05/05/2025 12:32
Have you died sir?
3 05/05/2025 12:32
Keep trolling and enjoy yourself.
3
"Mine?" As in you are not a God?
2 05/05/2025 12:32
That doesn't follow at all.
4 05/05/2025 12:32
If this religious framework is self evident then yeah, have you died?
4
Have you died sir?
3 05/05/2025 12:33
Interesting question. Would you consider being "born again" requiring a state of death first?
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Where's the data that has shown aliens?
1 05/05/2025 12:33
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Argument from ignorance
Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), or appeal to ignorance, is an informal fallacy where something is claimed to be true or false because of a lack of evidence to the contrary.
The fallacy is committed when one asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it...
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Interesting question. Would you consider being "born again" requiring a state of death first?
4 05/05/2025 12:33
To prove the religious frameworks of heaven and hell, yes.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
3 05/05/2025 12:33

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To prove the religious frameworks of heaven and hell, yes.
3 05/05/2025 12:33
I take it you have not studied Christian theology to understand the question.
Based on that, I cannot answer the question.
3
I take it you have not studied Christian theology to understand the question.
4 05/05/2025 12:34
3
Now you're hypocritically saying you are allowed to not understand but someone else is not. (edited)
1 05/05/2025 12:34
By the way, you have not answered me.
Clearly refuted you
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never said someone isn't allowed to "understand", but clearly not understanding someone else's comment is different than not understanding a concept you're talking about.
1 05/05/2025 12:34
.
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By the way, you have not answered me.
3 05/05/2025 12:34
I did not feel a need to respond.
Have a good day.
Cain
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” -Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy 1 @The Debater today’s topic: do aliens exist? If so, what do you think they look like? Would they be aware of the earth? Would they be friendly towards the earth or have the same colonial attitude that mankind has towards other planets and species?
5 05/05/2025 12:35
What is your definition of aliens? We have nearly undeniable proof that life exists outside of earth, so if life us your only metric for aliens, then yes
1 05/05/2025 12:35
Well, you claimed i said something while i didn't, it's basic logic. Plus, besides that, it was also an unreasonable comment
4 05/05/2025 12:35
Intellectual dishonesty is such a drag man (edited)
1 05/05/2025 12:35
But yeah good luck
4 05/05/2025 12:36
I don't really know why religious can't say irs faith or intuition
Admit it for what it is
5
What is your definition of aliens? We have nearly undeniable proof that life exists outside of earth, so if life us your only metric for aliens, then yes
1 05/05/2025 12:38
Well here people are telling me that they can't exist because there's no evidence for them. Furthermore claiming that science says things are false until proven true, which is a clear misunderstanding of science (edited)
kekw
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But yeh.. idk
I've already refuted all of that.
1
Well here people are telling me that they can't exist because there's no evidence for them. Furthermore claiming that science says things are false until proven true, which is a clear misunderstanding of science (edited)
5 05/05/2025 12:38
until proven true
hahahahahaha
1 05/05/2025 12:38
science doesn't even prove things true like that
So yes its a bit funny
5 05/05/2025 12:39
there could be a green ass man with a space ship in front of me and it still wouldn't prove anything to be true
4 05/05/2025 12:39
Oh great now we shifted from religious metaphysics to the ethics of peer review
1
I've already refuted all of that.
Sol 05/05/2025 12:39
I've never told my answer to you, nor was it even directed to you.
Don't make yourself seem like a god of logic

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5
there could be a green ass man with a space ship in front of me and it still wouldn't prove anything to be true
1 05/05/2025 12:39
no use, i already made an analogy, they ignored it.
Sol
I've never told my answer to you, nor was it even directed to you. Don't make yourself seem like a god of logic
1 05/05/2025 12:40
I wasn't talking about you, i said i refuted the unscientific part.

1
Listen, you all seem to misunderstand a bit. When we say "aliens don't exist", it's a short form to say "well i think the evidence doesn't supoprt it so maybe its close to 0%". While that could be wrong, it's reasonable.
Now after learning this and keep saying that there is no possibility of anything existing outside earth, then that's a problem. (edited)
now while saying science on ur side on that
That's a triple problem.
1
Listen, you all seem to misunderstand a bit. When we say "aliens don't exist", it's a short form to say "well i think the evidence doesn't supoprt it so maybe its close to 0%". While that could be wrong, it's reasonable.
4 05/05/2025 12:41
Yes that is reasonable (edited)
1 05/05/2025 12:41
got it¿?
no problem w people that believe there is nothing. becasue that's a belief, yes.
4 05/05/2025 12:42
I never really cared about aliens tbh
As a matter of fact it might be funny if they invaded
4
I never really cared about aliens tbh
Brom 05/05/2025 12:42
I cared about them in GTA San Andreas

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1
Those were pretty awesome myths
4 05/05/2025 12:43
I was more worried about the street walkers
When I applied a cheat code
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 12:43
aliens exist somewhere
not here
Kitty (Crayon eater)
not here
4 05/05/2025 12:43
Elon musk
Eheheh
Brom 05/05/2025 12:43
Elon Musk
4 05/05/2025 12:44
Mark Zuckerberg another one
Brom 05/05/2025 12:44
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4 05/05/2025 12:45
At times during interviews you can see the circuits in bill gates begin to malfunction when asked a question his OS wasn't programmed for.
That guy annoys me
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 12:46
he has autism
musk has autism too
Kitty (Crayon eater)
he has autism
4 05/05/2025 12:46
I don't mind that, but ffs bill stop acting like you're a doctor
Kitty (Crayon eater)
musk has autism too
4 05/05/2025 12:46
Yeah I wouldn't doubt it in either of em tbh
Bill gates has the charisma of a dead moth
Steve jobs was a great salesman though
1
Listen, you all seem to misunderstand a bit. When we say "aliens don't exist", it's a short form to say "well i think the evidence doesn't supoprt it so maybe its close to 0%". While that could be wrong, it's reasonable.
2 05/05/2025 12:47
Oh, you get that? Oh.
Yeah I don't literally believe there's no aliens. I'm taking the position that there's no aliens because the null hypothesis and asserting that there are aliens is an unsubstantiated belief that must be dismissed
4 05/05/2025 12:48
I don't worry about aliens much, I doubt if they exist it will become a HG Wells novel
What's sad is his introduction to war of the world's is more applicable for humans when he wrote it in the 1890s
2
Oh, you get that? Oh. Yeah I don't literally believe there's no aliens. I'm taking the position that there's no aliens because the null hypothesis and asserting that there are aliens is an unsubstantiated belief that must be dismissed
1 05/05/2025 12:49
But you're wrong in that too. Most of scientists think the likehood is high. We find that basic ingredients for life are out there, for example.
4 05/05/2025 12:49
"No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days. At most terrestrial men fancied there might be other men upon Mars, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a missionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment."
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But you're wrong in that too. Most of scientists think the likehood is high. We find that basic ingredients for life are out there, for example.
1 05/05/2025 12:49
That's why they are looking for it, duh.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 12:50
life uh, finds a way
1 05/05/2025 12:50
PLus before i was having a problem with you because you were making other claims: that they CAN'T exist (using your null thing), and some things of science that are wrong . (edited)
1
But you're wrong in that too. Most of scientists think the likehood is high. We find that basic ingredients for life are out there, for example.
2 05/05/2025 12:50
But they haven't proven it. The reasons I've seen that belief spread have never been because of reliable information but it's been because of conspiracy people trying to sell merch and some deep need to believe they can connect with higher beings
Kitty (Crayon eater)
life uh, finds a way
4 05/05/2025 12:50
Hakuna matata
2 05/05/2025 12:51
People need to know to not fall for that stuff and to wait until conclusive findings reveal aliens before they get used
2
But they haven't proven it. The reasons I've seen that belief spread have never been because of reliable information but it's been because of conspiracy people trying to sell merch and some deep need to believe they can connect with higher beings
1 05/05/2025 12:51
Don't you think you might be mixing stuff up a bit? Conspiracies has nothing to do with life outside earth. You might have bad info or not understand the difference between some situations.
2 05/05/2025 12:51
Always conmen waiting to sell a bridge to people because they think it's plausible that the conman could be telling the truth, no one has proved the con man false!
2
People need to know to not fall for that stuff and to wait until conclusive findings reveal aliens before they get used
1 05/05/2025 12:52
So you think scientists support conspiracy theories or that you might be misunderstanding the subject a bit?
1
Don't you think you might be mixing stuff up a bit? Conspiracies has nothing to do with life outside earth. You might have bad info or not understand the difference between some situations.
2 05/05/2025 12:52
People definitely believe in that stuff because of UFO videos and such
1
So you think scientists support conspiracy theories or that you might be misunderstanding the subject a bit?
2 05/05/2025 12:52
I don't think that scientists support conspiracy theories. But I also have never seen a scientist claim that aliens do exist, and if they are I would love to see those findings
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 12:53
ufos aren't real and the us government entertains that they are to distract you yes
2
People definitely believe in that stuff because of UFO videos and such
1 05/05/2025 12:53
That has nothing to do with the question of life outside earth, scientifically.
4 05/05/2025 12:53
HG Wells was very prescient about future predictions in his novels.  The atomic bomb, the war, he even foresaw what kind of people would inhabit earth in future regarding their intellectual capacity, erased gender boundaries etc in "The Time Machine" (edited)
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That has nothing to do with the question of life outside earth, scientifically.
2 05/05/2025 12:53
??
1 05/05/2025 12:53
You're too confused with concepts mate..
2 05/05/2025 12:53
Sounds like you're confusing science and your internal logic
Your logic goes that since humans exist, aliens exist
But that's not science
That's just inductive logic
Science uses deductive logic
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But that's not science
4 05/05/2025 12:54
Yeah, that's a bad direct to TV movie
2
Your logic goes that since humans exist, aliens exist
1 05/05/2025 12:54
I didn't say that...
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 12:55
drake equation
4 05/05/2025 12:55
I don't even see the use of this debate, aliens who gives a fuck (edited)
4
I don't even see the use of this debate, aliens who gives a fuck (edited)
2 05/05/2025 12:55
idk . I like how this debate started out with me and the other dude acknowledging that it's useless to even speculate about aliens yet here we are
2
idk . I like how this debate started out with me and the other dude acknowledging that it's useless to even speculate about aliens yet here we are
4 05/05/2025 12:55
Here we are on the merry go round
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 12:55
universe is very big
4 05/05/2025 12:55
Feeling dizzy and nauseous
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 12:55
lots of galaxies!
aliens exist somewhere else in it
4 05/05/2025 12:56
Probably
But I mean, hard to say with certainty
I never understood the debate on aliens though, it's just above ghosts in terms of what Dumb people wanna talk about for me. (edited)
2
Sounds like you're confusing science and your internal logic
1 05/05/2025 12:57
Im done discussing with you because you can't recognise when you're wrong. 
I do can however, refute you directly on your words, saying that scientists don't comment on the likelyhood of life outside earth. (proving that your internal logic is actually wrong)
https://eos.org/articles/nasa-hopes-to-find-strong-indications-of-life-beyond-earth-soon
https://ucalgary.ca/news/life-beyond-earth-could-be-found-soon-says-nasas-chief-scientist
https://www.nasa.gov/podcasts/gravity-assist/gravity-assist-she-protects-other-planets-from-our-germs/
welp, seems you're a bit unscientific.
Liz Castenson
NASA Hopes to Find Strong Indications of Life Beyond Earth Soon - Eos
With the search for water and habitable planetary bodies proceeding at an increasing pace, NASA scientists say they are getting closer to finding evidence of extraterrestrial life.
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Upcoming space missions promise exciting new discoveries, James Green tells Gallagher Colloquium Series audience
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Season 4, Episode 13: She Protects Other Planets from Our Germs - NASA
As we explore Mars and other places in the solar system that might have life, scientists who work in Planetary Protection are busy making sure that we don’t contaminate them.
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Ther'es a ton more ofc, no point in keep sending them.
you could just have googled.
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Im done discussing with you because you can't recognise when you're wrong. I do can however, refute you directly on your words, saying that scientists don't comment on the likelyhood of life outside earth. (proving that your internal logic is actually wrong) https://eos.org/articles/nasa-hopes-to-find-strong-indications-of-life-beyond-earth-soon https://ucalgary.ca/news/life-beyond-earth-could-be-found-soon-says-nasas-chief-scientist https://www.nasa.gov/podcasts/gravity-assist/gravity-assist-she-protects-other-planets-from-our-germs/ welp, seems you're a bit unscientific.
4 05/05/2025 12:59
Bloody hell.....life's a bitch, init? @2
We have to read all the articles now
1 we all know aliens have been speculated shout
Carl Sagan spoke about it in the 1960s
1 05/05/2025 13:00
You don't need to. you can just see how scientific organisations talk about it the possibility of it.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:01
im gonna ask google if aliens exist
4 05/05/2025 13:01
https://youtu.be/-qJ7qjh-HRE
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Carl Sagan explains why aliens are not visiting us all the time
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Im done discussing with you because you can't recognise when you're wrong. I do can however, refute you directly on your words, saying that scientists don't comment on the likelyhood of life outside earth. (proving that your internal logic is actually wrong) https://eos.org/articles/nasa-hopes-to-find-strong-indications-of-life-beyond-earth-soon https://ucalgary.ca/news/life-beyond-earth-could-be-found-soon-says-nasas-chief-scientist https://www.nasa.gov/podcasts/gravity-assist/gravity-assist-she-protects-other-planets-from-our-germs/ welp, seems you're a bit unscientific.
2 05/05/2025 13:01
It appears that scientists make baseless theory sometimes. Because that's all I saw in these articles. No evidence of Life existing outside of Earth and they never claimed there was, they said they think there is, which is just pfft. (edited)
1 05/05/2025 13:01
I literally didn't send the links for you to read the articles, because i didn't. they are just quotes from scientists.
2 05/05/2025 13:01
Big ol nothin
1
You don't need to. you can just see how scientific organisations talk about it the possibility of it.
4 05/05/2025 13:01
Sure
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:02
there is no evidence of aliens existing except humans existing makes a very strong case that its happened elsewhere
humans are evidence of it being possible for aliens to exist
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You don't need to. you can just see how scientific organisations talk about it the possibility of it.
2 05/05/2025 13:02
They need to be brought back down to earth. All the complaining about climate scientists doing "alarmism" when at least the climate scientists actually have evidence that gets proven Right Time and Time again. These scientists have never proven alien life, this is Fantasyland
4 05/05/2025 13:02
I tend to trust carl sagan cause of his astrophysics genius, so whilst there isn't evidence, it's not implausible. We've know that for ages.
And it's the same today
4
https://youtu.be/-qJ7qjh-HRE
1 05/05/2025 13:03
"mAKE IT to appear likely that life arises naturally on the vast bulk of this planets"
are you arguing in my favor or what the f- are you doing?
4 05/05/2025 13:03
Yes. I'm simply saying this is nothing new and we have no new answers since then
1 05/05/2025 13:03
Plus i was going to bring him up aswell, just didnt have the time with the amount of absurd anti scientific comments im getting from you.
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Yes. I'm simply saying this is nothing new and we have no new answers since then
2 05/05/2025 13:04
Big fat NOTHING
4 05/05/2025 13:04
So...I mean this is gonna be circular if you insist on continuing to argue even after the concession (edited)
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Big fat NOTHING
4 05/05/2025 13:04
Yeah. It's just speculative
Maybe one day we shall know (edited)
1 05/05/2025 13:05
You guys are unscientific. Science works with data, inferences, etc. Proofs is for math and logic, not for science.
2 05/05/2025 13:05

You going to talk about who is unscientific after you post an article of a bunch of crackpot opinions and call it science
1
You guys are unscientific. Science works with data, inferences, etc. Proofs is for math and logic, not for science.
4 05/05/2025 13:06
You aren't the arbiter of science, we accepted your premise that this is discussed by scientists. What are you even arguing about?
1 05/05/2025 13:06
Actually, carl sagan is widely known and recognised in the scientific community, i think you qualify more as a crackpot than him.
4 05/05/2025 13:06
You're arguing with yourself at this point, sir
1 05/05/2025 13:06
Plus, i sent you nasa links with more opinions from scientists.
2 05/05/2025 13:06
Opinions that had no justification
4 05/05/2025 13:06
Yes nobody said they weren't studying it...
2 05/05/2025 13:07
Yeah like they're clearly studying that. I know that much
But there is still no basis on which they can convincingly say that there are aliens out there
That's really just their hopes and dreams talking
Everybody daydreams about the reality that could exist
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Opinions that had no justification
1 05/05/2025 13:07
They do, you are just trying to present a dumb argument "absence of evidence is evidence of absence"
this is anti-science. (edited)
Let me ask you, are you a flat earther?
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Let me ask you, are you a flat earther?
2 05/05/2025 13:08
No
1 05/05/2025 13:08
Why not?
Do you have evidence?
I mean, proof.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:08
mars aint the kind of place to raise your kids, in fact it's cold as hell
1
Actually, carl sagan is widely known and recognised in the scientific community, i think you qualify more as a crackpot than him.
4 05/05/2025 13:08
What you think I thought I was as bright or knowledgeable as carl sagan? Seriously dude, we already agreed it's being studied. I have no idea who you are even arguing with anymore, other than yourself. In which case you have 2 options, get a journal or go stand in front of a mirror and argue with yourself
Cain
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” -Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy 1 @The Debater today’s topic: do aliens exist? If so, what do you think they look like? Would they be aware of the earth? Would they be friendly towards the earth or have the same colonial attitude that mankind has towards other planets and species?
Zahira 05/05/2025 13:09
They're real, and I'm pretty sure they tampered with earth and us several times before.
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Do you have evidence?
2 05/05/2025 13:09
Because in order for Japan to have attacked the US they would have had to have flown over the entire Earth to get to the other side, when there were no reports of them crossing that long trip. They definitely took the short path that would require the circular earth. Also, the way the Sun hits the Earth has been proven in horticulture and we have to grow our plants in accordance with the angle with the Sun during the seasons properly. It wouldn't work as it does on a flat Earth
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:09
its a valid viewpoint to say no evidence no aliens tbh
4
What you think I thought I was as bright or knowledgeable as carl sagan? Seriously dude, we already agreed it's being studied. I have no idea who you are even arguing with anymore, other than yourself. In which case you have 2 options, get a journal or go stand in front of a mirror and argue with yourself
1 05/05/2025 13:09
Mhh? i'm just pointing out how conspiranoic u 2 guys are, and go directly against science.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:09
for debating anyway
2
Because in order for Japan to have attacked the US they would have had to have flown over the entire Earth to get to the other side, when there were no reports of them crossing that long trip. They definitely took the short path that would require the circular earth. Also, the way the Sun hits the Earth has been proven in horticulture and we have to grow our plants in accordance with the angle with the Sun during the seasons properly. It wouldn't work as it does on a flat Earth
1 05/05/2025 13:10
Ohh.
Were you there? (edited)
Kitty (Crayon eater)
its a valid viewpoint to say no evidence no aliens tbh
4 05/05/2025 13:10
Yeah no evidence as of yet, but I take koews point, he just doesn't know when to stop arguing with himself
1
Were you there? (edited)
2 05/05/2025 13:10
No.
...
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:10
its more reasonable to say aliens exist though considering we do
Kitty (Crayon eater)
its more reasonable to say aliens exist though considering we do
2 05/05/2025 13:11
It's also more reasonable to say that dragons exist considering we do.
They're definitely here.
Yeah?
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:11
no it doesnt
dragons cant fly
2 05/05/2025 13:11
How not? What's the difference?
1
Mhh? i'm just pointing out how conspiranoic u 2 guys are, and go directly against science.
4 05/05/2025 13:11
No you're making up things we didn't say in your own mind, forming a conclusion based on that and then being Irritated by the conclusion. This is an argument in your head. You aren't listening.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:11
they cant breathe fire eithr
Kitty (Crayon eater)
dragons cant fly
2 05/05/2025 13:11
You don't know what a dragon is do you.. maybe I should use another example
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:11
dragons fly and breathe fire
whats to get
Kitty (Crayon eater)
dragons fly and breathe fire
2 05/05/2025 13:12
Yeah. They got to be here. We're here.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:12
are we going to argue about dragons physical attributes now
2
Yeah. They got to be here. We're here.
4 05/05/2025 13:12
Precisely. We all read the hobbit
2 05/05/2025 13:12
We can't be alone on this Earth without dragons

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2
No.
1 05/05/2025 13:12
So are you showing direct proof or making inferences? (edited)
2 05/05/2025 13:12
It just doesn't make any sense for us to be here and dragons to not be here.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:12
you're throwing in a non sequitir

1
Kitty (Crayon eater)
you're throwing in a non sequitir
2 05/05/2025 13:12
YES! You get it!!
4 05/05/2025 13:12
It doesn't make sense to me that Winston Churchill never met Plato...they must've intersected
Kitty (Crayon eater)
you're throwing in a non sequitir
2 05/05/2025 13:13
That's what you're doing.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:13
no its not
ok so evolution and the creation on life happened once
it can happen elsewhere again
4 05/05/2025 13:13
This is so pointless lol
1
So are you showing direct proof or making inferences? (edited)
2 05/05/2025 13:13
Do you really want me to pull up the receipts from world war ii?
4 05/05/2025 13:14
We're going In circles at this point
4
Well everybody was very excited about the grand canyon when I went, so beautiful, and tbh my thought is it looks like a red clay rock formation where aliens land and face fuck you.
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:14
Lmao
Kitty (Crayon eater)
it can happen elsewhere again
2 05/05/2025 13:15
I'm not ruling out that possibility. But you're saying it did? It just can't be that it has only happened here?
2
Do you really want me to pull up the receipts from world war ii?
1 05/05/2025 13:15
You didn't answer the question. Maybe you don't know what an inference is. Basically, the way you used your head to give an opinion on the matter, is the same thing that scientists do with life outside earth. Maybe you're too ignorant or don't want to accept it. (edited)
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:15
Good god don't tell me you're all still talking about this
2
I'm not ruling out that possibility. But you're saying it did? It just can't be that it has only happened here?
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:15
You're arguing for something very unlikely to have happened
Dracula
Good god don't tell me you're all still talking about this
4 05/05/2025 13:15
I know, right
Kitty (Crayon eater)
You're arguing for something very unlikely to have happened
2 05/05/2025 13:15
And what figures informs that likelihood?
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:15
it's way more on the aliens exist side than the aliens dont exist side by orders of magnitude
drake equation
Kitty (Crayon eater)
it's way more on the aliens exist side than the aliens dont exist side by orders of magnitude
1 05/05/2025 13:16
Kitty. these guys don't get basic science.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:16
the amount of galaxies in the universe
1 05/05/2025 13:16
I swear to you.
4 05/05/2025 13:16
It's bonkers we don't even disagree with koew that it's being studied by scientists and yet he's more entrenched than Germans in a nuclear bunker
1 05/05/2025 13:16
They say something is false because its not proven true
That's literally a fallacy.
Documented fallacy.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:16
you throw enough billiard balls at each other one of them is gonna phase right through the other in a trillion trillion years
1
They say something is false because its not proven true
4 05/05/2025 13:17
We didn't say that..
Cain
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” -Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy 1 @The Debater today’s topic: do aliens exist? If so, what do you think they look like? Would they be aware of the earth? Would they be friendly towards the earth or have the same colonial attitude that mankind has towards other planets and species?
Ryder 05/05/2025 13:17
Maybe in the form of bacteria.
Idk.
Idk.
Idk.
Kitty (Crayon eater)
you throw enough billiard balls at each other one of them is gonna phase right through the other in a trillion trillion years
2 05/05/2025 13:17
what
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:17
What even is the topic now
4
We didn't say that..
1 05/05/2025 13:17
uh actually "you guys" did.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:17
aliens DON'T  exist 
1 05/05/2025 13:17
And actually you're yapping about how "bonkers" or "baseless" scientific opinions are on the matter. Nice! (edited)
1
uh actually "you guys" did.
4 05/05/2025 13:17
No...it's being studied..we don't know the final answer or outcome. Didn't say its false you just don't pay attention.
Kitty (Crayon eater)
aliens DON'T exist 
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:17
True
For all practical reasons they don't
But we don't know really

1
4
No...it's being studied..we don't know the final answer or outcome. Didn't say its false you just don't pay attention.
1 05/05/2025 13:18
Bro i won't go back just to show you that ur mate actually did. (edited)
Dracula
But we don't know really
4 05/05/2025 13:18
Maybe some day
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:18
Perhaps
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:19
universe is too big for all we know its infinite and we're in one blown up (inflated) part of it
1
Bro i won't go back just to show you that ur mate actually did. (edited)
4 05/05/2025 13:19
Some people have said aliens don't exist with certainty...I never did. So get out of your own way, and use your fucking rational head.
6 05/05/2025 13:19
ifyouknowyouknow
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:19
sup cyber
1
They say something is false because its not proven true
2 05/05/2025 13:19
Let me rephrase this. It's to be considered false until proven true. Like how someone is to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. So when we talk about the matter, we just say it's false. Because practically speaking it is
2
Let me rephrase this. It's to be considered false until proven true. Like how someone is to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. So when we talk about the matter, we just say it's false. Because practically speaking it is
2 05/05/2025 13:19
Acting as if it is equally true as it is untrue is not right to do when we have zero indication it is true.
Kitty (Crayon eater)
aliens DON'T exist 
Mink 05/05/2025 13:19
define alien life form
Kitty (Crayon eater)
sup cyber
6 05/05/2025 13:19
Eat more crayons
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:19
You should communicate in binary
6
Eat more crayons
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:20
on it
2 05/05/2025 13:20
Its for all intents and purposes false
6
Eat more crayons
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:20
6 how are you
6
Eat more crayons
Mink 05/05/2025 13:20
have you tried  the red ones
mmmmh
Mink
have you tried the red ones
4 05/05/2025 13:20
Mmm...simply divine
Dracula
6 how are you
6 05/05/2025 13:21
In a state of despair by someone having a superiority complex over science here

4
6
In a state of despair by someone having a superiority complex over science here
4 05/05/2025 13:21
Yes lol
iris 05/05/2025 13:21
real
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:21
Understandable 
4 05/05/2025 13:21
...he knows who he is
And he's typing
iris 05/05/2025 13:21
y'all know nothing about untitled 05
2 05/05/2025 13:22

4 05/05/2025 13:22
Brace for impact folks, another non sequitur is about to land.
cheemspopcorn
1
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:23
aliens exist - blink 182 (edited)
Sol 05/05/2025 13:23
Will this wipe us out like that one asteroid that killed off all the dinosaurs?
1 05/05/2025 13:23
Literally most scientists that work on related topics: working to find clues because its likely that they should be out there.
The guy's best argument. "We didnt prove it yet, false!!"
science doesnt "prove" things, science works with theories that are always up to change (edited)
Read some science omg.
Sol
Will this wipe us out like that one asteroid that killed off all the dinosaurs?
4 05/05/2025 13:23
The exasperation of listening to a guy who is arguing with himself might yeah
iris 05/05/2025 13:23
she said I'm down on my luck and it's something I gotta have
blue faces
4
The exasperation of listening to a guy who is arguing with himself might yeah
Sol 05/05/2025 13:24
Yeah
iris 05/05/2025 13:24
I hit the bank today and told them color me bad
blue faces
iris
I hit the bank today and told them color me bad
4 05/05/2025 13:24
Hmm, how much did you get?
Sol 05/05/2025 13:24
Might as well debate with a wall
-# Not being literal but the imagery
4
Hmm, how much did you get?
iris 05/05/2025 13:25
blue faces
Sol
Might as well debate with a wall -# Not being literal but the imagery
4 05/05/2025 13:25
Yeah I'm not sure if it's pride or just simply not listening, or I guess it could be both
4
Yeah I'm not sure if it's pride or just simply not listening, or I guess it could be both
Sol 05/05/2025 13:26
Maybe, well often reality is a good teacher to us all  
As it did with me, multiple times

1
4
Yeah I'm not sure if it's pride or just simply not listening, or I guess it could be both
iris 05/05/2025 13:26
I think it's more impulse, they understand when you shove it in

1
Sol
Maybe, well often reality is a good teacher to us all  As it did with me, multiple times
4 05/05/2025 13:26
Well you actually listen to what people say, which is a huge advantage.
1 05/05/2025 13:26
Actually like 2 people other than me have appeared to tell you otherwise. The others didn't even talk about the matter. Who else wants to say that science say things are false until proven true?
4 05/05/2025 13:27
Yeah yeah keep yourself entrenched
Nobody cares anymore (edited)
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:27
aliens exist 
1 05/05/2025 13:27
i mean yeah, because you can't form arguments anymore..
4
Nobody cares anymore (edited)
Sol 05/05/2025 13:28
Whatchu up to rn?
I think I should bring my focus back to work  
Just had a bit of leeway of free time
2 05/05/2025 13:28
Too busy studying for my bachelor's of science
1
i mean yeah, because you can't form arguments anymore..
4 05/05/2025 13:28
No you're just responding to stuff that wasn't said, and too prideful and arrogant about the level of your own intelligence to have some humility.
Btw you're not very intelligent to begin with
1
Actually like 2 people other than me have appeared to tell you otherwise. The others didn't even talk about the matter. Who else wants to say that science say things are false until proven true?
6 05/05/2025 13:28
I mean, let the people walk with their beliefs about whatever. Just state what u believe in, let them do the same. It doesn't have to be grounded on anything to be perfectly honest. Why are you acting like the governer of thought?
4
Btw you're not very intelligent to begin with
Sol 05/05/2025 13:28
Humility yes, often ignored nowadays by those who need it most

2
6
I mean, let the people walk with their beliefs about whatever. Just state what u believe in, let them do the same. It doesn't have to be grounded on anything to be perfectly honest. Why are you acting like the governer of thought?
1 05/05/2025 13:29
Am i, or am i exposing falsehoods?
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:29
we were searching for the higgs boson for a while before we found it
Sol
Humility yes, often ignored nowadays by those who need it most
4 05/05/2025 13:29
One of the most important traits I think
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:29
aliens existing is an educated guess
1
Actually like 2 people other than me have appeared to tell you otherwise. The others didn't even talk about the matter. Who else wants to say that science say things are false until proven true?
iris 05/05/2025 13:29
"false until proven true" is half right but it's not assumed falsehood, just claiming the standard of evidence
1
Am i, or am i exposing falsehoods?
6 05/05/2025 13:29
Even if that's the case, its not ur moral responsibility to do that...it stems from ur character.
Sol
Whatchu up to rn? I think I should bring my focus back to work  Just had a bit of leeway of free time
4 05/05/2025 13:29
Yeah until this circus has ended it makes sense to me

2
4
One of the most important traits I think
Sol 05/05/2025 13:29
I'd add accountability to mistakes too, as most often dodge it
But we'd be going off topic by then wheeze
Sol
I'd add accountability to mistakes too, as most often dodge it But we'd be going off topic by then wheeze
4 05/05/2025 13:30
You never learn if you have no humility
6
Even if that's the case, its not ur moral responsibility to do that...it stems from ur character.
1 05/05/2025 13:30
Sorry mate, im just exposing lies. If you wanna side up with the liars, make the argument explicit like them.- (edited)
4 05/05/2025 13:30
You just keep making the same mistakes
1
Sorry mate, im just exposing lies. If you wanna side up with the liars, make the argument explicit like them.- (edited)
6 05/05/2025 13:30
Not siding with anyone here. This is you just morally preaching and shifting narratives
But uh
You'll grow ur Fe some day
4
You just keep making the same mistakes
Sol 05/05/2025 13:30
Yes, sometimes you learn both a lesson and the value of humility at the same time

2
6 05/05/2025 13:30
It comes with time
Sol
Yes, sometimes you learn both a lesson and the value of humility at the same time
4 05/05/2025 13:31
Yeah humility is knowing other opinions are worth taking into account, and correcting course. Some people just say nah, I know best.
6 05/05/2025 13:31
Say it with me: The truth doesn't need you to protect or advocate for it.
Now breath
4 05/05/2025 13:31
Which is awful, especially in leadership
6
Not siding with anyone here. This is you just morally preaching and shifting narratives
1 05/05/2025 13:32
Are you salty because of our previous discussion?..
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:32
I mean I'm scrolling through chat
6
Not siding with anyone here. This is you just morally preaching and shifting narratives
Sol 05/05/2025 13:32
There's a term for that...
Something like Virtue Signalling? I always take great care that I don't go that way too
It's too easy to do so
4
Which is awful, especially in leadership
Sol 05/05/2025 13:32
My way or the highway kinda deal yeah

1
Katharina Levithura 05/05/2025 13:32
what's the topic
4 05/05/2025 13:32
I mean of all the subjects to unravel in such a fashion, this wouldn't be my first guess.
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:32
Idk but I feel like koew misunderstands the other side what we're saying is science doesn't know yet
Dracula
I mean I'm scrolling through chat
Sol 05/05/2025 13:33
Hello Dracula, fancy seeing you here 
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:33
And you insist on ignoring everything and focusing on a different point
Sol
Hello Dracula, fancy seeing you here 
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:33
Hey sol nice seeing you too

1

1
6
Say it with me: The truth doesn't need you to protect or advocate for it.
iris 05/05/2025 13:33
and I been hustling all day, this a way, that a way, through canals and alleyways, just to say, money trees is the perfect place for shade and that's just how I feel
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:33
What you up to
1
Are you salty because of our previous discussion?..
6 05/05/2025 13:33
You're making a lot of assumptions over here. I am saying ur morally preaching when u call them liars.
Lying requires intentionality which you haven't grasped (and can't, mostly) through a screen. Shifting narratives is you assuming I am siding with people when there is nothing that stands to say I am siding with anyone here
iris
and I been hustling all day, this a way, that a way, through canals and alleyways, just to say, money trees is the perfect place for shade and that's just how I feel
6 05/05/2025 13:33
Alright kendrick fan
4 05/05/2025 13:34
Don't engage him I say, it's pretty obvious he's stuck in a loop
6
You're making a lot of assumptions over here. I am saying ur morally preaching when u call them liars. Lying requires intentionality which you haven't grasped (and can't, mostly) through a screen. Shifting narratives is you assuming I am siding with people when there is nothing that stands to say I am siding with anyone here
iris 05/05/2025 13:34
a dollar might, turn to a million then we all rich dats just how I feel (edited)
4 05/05/2025 13:34
No hatred but yeah, this is pathetic.
Sol
There's a term for that... Something like Virtue Signalling? I always take great care that I don't go that way too It's too easy to do so
6 05/05/2025 13:34
Ya

1
iris
a dollar might, turn to a million then we all rich dats just how I feel (edited)
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:34
Iris getting rich before gta 6
6 05/05/2025 13:34
She's just reciting kendrick money trees song
Dracula
Iris getting rich before gta 6
iris 05/05/2025 13:34
since before GTA 5
6
She's just reciting kendrick money trees song
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:35
Typical..
iris 05/05/2025 13:35
jkjk
6
She's just reciting kendrick money trees song
iris 05/05/2025 13:35
honestly it's a nice song

1
kinda underrated despite the billions of plays
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:36
I like the one about drake
iris 05/05/2025 13:36
I'm not surprised it's maintained popularity for 12 years straight
iris
honestly it's a nice song
4 05/05/2025 13:36
Kendrick played sims 3 for too long
iris
kinda underrated despite the billions of plays
6 05/05/2025 13:36
How many more do u want 
6
How many more do u want 
iris 05/05/2025 13:36
no cuz that's just cumulative, not mainstream
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:36
needs more plays than gangam style
iris 05/05/2025 13:36
I wanna hear it more than not like us
Dracula
What you up to
Sol 05/05/2025 13:36
I thought you meant this question to Keow, I'm sorry bro  
Currently at work, getting stuff done, just swung by here to see if there's anything interesting
Well... yeah 
iris
no cuz that's just cumulative, not mainstream
6 05/05/2025 13:37
U wanted the billions to be manstream?
6
U wanted the billions to be manstream?
iris 05/05/2025 13:37
what
6
You're making a lot of assumptions over here. I am saying ur morally preaching when u call them liars. Lying requires intentionality which you haven't grasped (and can't, mostly) through a screen. Shifting narratives is you assuming I am siding with people when there is nothing that stands to say I am siding with anyone here
1 05/05/2025 13:37
Okay so you can't side with them and have said absolutely nothing of the discussion, but you come up to me because you're salty of our past discussion.
4 05/05/2025 13:37
1....LET IT GO
Has that fucking clicked?
6 05/05/2025 13:37
The ego is too much on this one fam
iris 05/05/2025 13:38
real
honestly you guys kinda dogpiled
6 05/05/2025 13:38
He doesn't even address anything I said and just hypothetically confirms I am salty
Sol
I thought you meant this question to Keow, I'm sorry bro  Currently at work, getting stuff done, just swung by here to see if there's anything interesting Well... yeah 
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:38
Dw about it
Sounds very chill

1

1
iris 05/05/2025 13:38
it's reasonable he keeps responding
given that pressure
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:38
dogpiled on aliens?
iris
honestly you guys kinda dogpiled
4 05/05/2025 13:38
I'd rather not but I mean if people aren't gonna move on then it's hard not to say move on
iris
it's reasonable he keeps responding
6 05/05/2025 13:38
Its discord. Ur existence is gone the moment I log off iris
The existence relevant to my case
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:39
No it's when I log off I'm the only real person
iris
given that pressure
1 05/05/2025 13:39
No pressure. 6 is salty and i'm morally preaching
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:39
and how does that make you feel

1
Holistic 05/05/2025 13:39
Do INTPs really like math?
4 05/05/2025 13:40
Good question
Holistic
Do INTPs really like math?
6 05/05/2025 13:40
Nah
1 05/05/2025 13:40
nothing because i know he won't defend the other guys because they are talking out their ass about science.
6 05/05/2025 13:40
I mean tbh shit differs
Some do like maths, others don't
1
nothing because i know he won't defend the other guys because they are talking out their ass about science.
4 05/05/2025 13:40
You need to see a psychiatrist
1
nothing because i know he won't defend the other guys because they are talking out their ass about science.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:40
you must feel something about it
why engage if you didn't care
1
nothing because i know he won't defend the other guys because they are talking out their ass about science.
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:41
No but like you ignored all the arguments and the conclusions and got stuck on this
4
You need to see a psychiatrist
1 05/05/2025 13:41
Literally read my last argument and you'l see that i directly quoted your friend, i didn't misinterpret him.
4 05/05/2025 13:41
This is pathological at this point
6
Its discord. Ur existence is gone the moment I log off iris
iris 05/05/2025 13:41
why do you insist on rejecting long term schema, it's not ever actually that transactional to you cyber
4 05/05/2025 13:41
He can't help himself
iris 05/05/2025 13:41
that's so cope
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:41
Do you even know what you're arguing about at this point
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:41
Dracula but he's in drag. Dragula
wait that's just dracula
1
Literally read my last argument and you'l see that i directly quoted your friend, i didn't misinterpret him.
4 05/05/2025 13:41
I'm just saying, it's been a while, I don't see the need to keep resurrecting it
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:42
What the
iris
why do you insist on rejecting long term schema, it's not ever actually that transactional to you cyber
6 05/05/2025 13:42
What does bro mean
6
He doesn't even address anything I said and just hypothetically confirms I am salty
2 05/05/2025 13:42
It's called science
4
I'm just saying, it's been a while, I don't see the need to keep resurrecting it
1 05/05/2025 13:42
I didn't resurrect anything, just answering some commentssipsip
4 05/05/2025 13:42
Uh oh...that probably opened a can of worms

1
6
What does bro mean
iris 05/05/2025 13:43
you can't engage if you don't believe they persist outside of sessions
1
I didn't resurrect anything, just answering some commentssipsip
4 05/05/2025 13:43
No, you just help yourself in bringing this alien debate back. I really don't know why.
iris 05/05/2025 13:43
you can't meaningfully connect
but you give off that impression
so I don't believe it's so transactional to you
4
No, you just help yourself in bringing this alien debate back. I really don't know why.
1 05/05/2025 13:44
I didn't comment on it, just your lies.
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:44
1 won't reply to me
Why not
1
I didn't comment on it, just your lies.
4 05/05/2025 13:44
Everybody is fed up with you.
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:44
ur purple leader too
iris
you can't engage if you don't believe they persist outside of sessions
6 05/05/2025 13:44
The thoughts and opinions, maybe but then again, there are other ways to attain this that doesn't necessiate discord tbh
Dracula
No but like you ignored all the arguments and the conclusions and got stuck on this
1 05/05/2025 13:44
Which ones i ignored?
Kitty (Crayon eater)
ur purple leader too
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:45
I think it's my moral responsibility to solve purple problems

1
Kitty (Crayon eater)
ur purple leader too
2 05/05/2025 13:45
This is what I voted for 

3
1
Which ones i ignored?
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:45
The fact that science doesn't prove or disprove aliens
4 05/05/2025 13:45
I didn't vote, I had no Voter ID (edited)
Kitty (Crayon eater) 05/05/2025 13:45
i didnt vote except for this weekend when I voted for the greens in australia
2 05/05/2025 13:45
Nice
Dracula 05/05/2025 13:46
Voting is mandatory in Australia isn't it

1
Dracula
The fact that science doesn't prove or disprove aliens
1 05/05/2025 13:46
I didn't ignore that, i've said multiple times that science doesn't prove nor disprove things, but work with theories. You just don't read properly.


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