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So, it seems like Dooku was using Force Lightning, even as a Jedi and in front of his apprentice, Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon is only 14 in this clip so Dooku must have been flirting with the dark side for a long time.

Sounds like his fall to the dark side and leaving the Order was a long time coming.



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What also noticed he was choking her as well. It said that she was gargling and kicking at the dirt beneath her feet or something.



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He definitely seems darker than he was depicted to be in legends. I'm sure the Dooku story will shed light on this but it is really interesting for him to already be so far into the darkside so early in the timeline. I mean it will still be what, at least a decade, before he leaves the order.



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A few decades, Qui-Gon is 14 here, I think he was like 40 or 50 when Dooku left?

I wonder how big part in this book will have Dooku. I did not expect to have fragments of his and Qui-Gon as such young padawan.



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I couldn't remember when exactly he left in the NEU so I rounded down hard. It would probably be closer to three decades if not four.

I don't know. Part of me thinks it could just be the begenning but if he and Obi-wan are having problems I can see it coming up a lot in the book as a way to connect their struggles to what Qui-gon went though.


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Dooku’s such an intriguing character.

Dude’s been flirting with the dark side decades before he finally turned, but still has these really admirable qualities about him that almost make it hard to imagine him as a truly evil man.

The most underused character in the prequels imo.



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I like the way he’s portrayed in AotC and RotS where it seems like even though he’s aligned himself with the Sith, there’s still some ambiguity about his morality.

But then in TCW, he seems pretty okay with genocide on a couple of occasions. Is that a bit of a contradiction or am I just misreading him in the PT films?



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Nah you got it right pretty much. Mainly when he seems to be cool with rebuilding the Zygerrian empire and recruit their slaves for the Sith.

Though he's not fully evil of course. When he's shocked and hesitant to have Ventress killed shows he cares for her, and sees her more than an assassin. Also when he tries to persuade Obi-Wan into joining him to destroy the Sith. Whether that's true or not I don't know, but I like to think he wanted to save him from the Jedi purge.



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I dont think he was hesitant to kill ventress cuz he cared about her but because he was gonna use her to ultimately help him betray sidious.


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Christopher Lee's acting is so good in AotC when he chops off Anakin's arm, force pushes him and then just sighs. You could tell he didn't want to do it.



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I like your take. I always interpreted that sigh as he was exasperated by the whole fight which seemed beneath him.



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You could be right too. I assumed since he probably still somewhat appreciated the Jedi and not to mention that Obi Wan is Qui Gons padawan and Anakin was basically Qui Gons padawan to be.



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I am going with your view. It adds more depth.



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Yep lol. I’m choosing to believe that view haha.


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I interpreted the sigh as Anakin exhausting him, not that he didn’t want to do it.



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I could see that too, which could make sense. But to me, the sigh doesn't really look like he's winded/tired. It's more of disappointment. But you might be right.



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I think it’s a little bit of relief after fear and not disappointment. I think he’s shocked Anakin gave him so much trouble. You see a flash of that fear at the beginning of the fight after Anakin’s “I am a slow learner” line.


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He was ready to execute survivng Jedi on Geonosis before clones saved them.



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He also was involved with the Death Star blueprints, a weapon capable of killing billions


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Well some of the genociding and whatnot is just the dark side controlling him. While I’d say he’s definitely a better guy than most Sith, the dark side makes you a complete different person


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I'm glad they're finally telling the story of his fall in Dooku: Jedi Lost. It's a story I've wanted for a long time. Granted I'd rather have had a novel by James Luceno, but a full cast audio drama by Cavan Scott won't disappoint.



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I was kind of disappointed that it’s audio-only, but I think the fact that it has a full cast has got me on board.


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Yes, always intrigued me that he was telling the truth to Obi Wan in AOTC re the Sith Lord.


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https://quizzes.clickhole.com/can-you-redeem-count-dooku-in-the-eyes-of-your-father-i-1825124935


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Sounds good so far. I’ve been looking forward to this. 😆


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Wow!!! Im so happy that they are further exploring Dooku and Qui-gon. And it also explains where Qui-gon's defiant nature to the Jedi Council came from.



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And it also explains where Qui-gon's defiant nature to the Jedi Council came from.

How so?



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Qui-gon has always been presented as somewhat of a "gray" Jedi. Though he was definitely a lightside user, he was not always in the same thinking of the Council. And hes often been shown to be defiant and questionable towards the Council. You see in the Phantom Menace, when he is adamant about training Anakin even though the Council rejects him at first.

The new-canon Age of Republic comic that had a oneshot about Qui-Gon kind of further explored this. In Legends it was delved into even more I think.

It kind of makes sense now that we know Dooku was exploring the dark side while training Qui-gon. And Dooku would eventually leave the order before becoming a Sith.



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He wasn't a Gray. If anything, the Council was.


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Qui-Gon as a Padawan on a mission with his master Dooku, who is using Force Lightning? What an awesome excerpt! I can't wait for this book. Qui-Gon is one of my favorite SW characters and I'm glad he's been getting some love lately.

Also there's an audiobook preview at the bottom! Narrated by Jonathan Davis.


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“Shenda Mol had hidden herself on high ground.” Good idea when fighting Jedi, I hear.


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"Your focus determines your reality"

Qui Gon is such a cool character. He was awesome in Phantom better Clone Wars has just elevated him so much for me. So excited to learn more about him.


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I got excited when the narrator mentioned the high ground.


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As you see my "Jedi" powers are far beyond yours.

Seems a curious line in context of this excerpt. Maybe he does not find Force Lightning inherently evil?


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DIdn’t realize how excited I was until I read that!


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Gonna crunch some numbers, just for fun.

In Legends, Qui-Gon Jinn was 60 years old when he died - this figure originated in the script for The Phantom Menace, which I believe was written before Liam Neeson was cast in the role, although for some reason was still kept as the character's age in expanded universe sources even though Neeson was only in his 40s when he filmed Episode I. Notably, Qui-Gon's death-age hasn't been mentioned in any canon sources (maybe I'm speaking too soon and we'll get a canon age for him in this book), leading me to think it will probably be changed, but if we assume for the sake of argument he's still 60 years old during TPM, that would put this excerpt as taking place about 78 years before the Battle of Yavin - which, if I'm not mistaken, is the new earliest fixed point in the 'movie era' timeline (i.e., not Old Republic). Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Maul, and (surprisingly) Mace Windu have all yet to be born.

Dooku, however, is someone we do have a canon age for, and it's the same as it was in Legends - he was 83 years old when he died (70 during The Phantom Menace), putting him at a mere 10 years older than his Padawan - less of an age difference than Obi-Wan and Anakin, but not Anakin and Ahsoka. That would make Dooku a very youthful 24 years of age in this excerpt - and for him to be dabbling in the dark side at such an early point is incredibly interesting, and has a lot of implications - such as the fact that Dooku's future Sith master would only be 6 years old during the events of this excerpt, and probably can't even spell the word 'Sith' yet.

Of course, Qui-Gon's canon age could change and throw this all askew, but it's fun to think about.


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Great excerpt, hopefully we get excerpts for Thrawn Treason and Alphabet squadron too soon...


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Oh damn, so Dooku was flirting with dark side for a long, long time before he left Jedi order?


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Numidian Prime could be a swampy, treacherous world, but Shenda Mol had hidden herself on high ground

A trait Master Qui-Gon would one day teach a young Padawan named Obi-Wan Kenobi...


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As someone who saw the special editions first when I was under 10, saw Episode 1 in theaters. I always preferred Qui-Gon over Obi-Wan. Because I was dumb and young, I always though Ben Kenobi was just trying to act like Qui-Gonn and that he was more like Anakin. I would love more stories with Qui-Gon or they should create another character in films (not tv, comics, or animated) to be more like him. Always played as him in the xbox Obi Wan game and PS2 game at friends houses


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Wow they are changing Dooku a lot from his legends counterpart if they have him using force lighting already so long before the phantom menence. I guess they are going for a darker more evil version of him than the sort of elder statesmen who was more grey than evil (or at least was presented as such) when he left the order that we got in Legends. Also I guess Qui-gon doesn't mention the whole force lighting thing if the Jedi Order still allows him to leave. But its also raising a question. I mean he is 14 in here so say Qui-gon, this is a long time before he left I would say. So we have him being really really dark really really early. I'm sure it will make sense and I love what we are seeing. It just raises a lot of questions about the how and why of it. I hope we get some answers to it, though I'm sure they will be answered in the Dooku audiodrama and not this book.

Also its cool we will be getting flash backs to Qui-gon and Dooku together that is something where you can count the stories of the two being togethere in both universes combined on one hand. I hope we get more of this in the dooku book.



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The vibe I’m getting from what’s been released and his short promo quote is that Dooku has been bending the line between what is inherently evil and dark and what is good and light. Of all the villains we’ve gotten, he’s the one that seems the most conscious of casualties as well as being the most hesitant despite still committing genocide.

You’re good with your legends knowledge so you might remember; there was a story somewhere regarding plo koon and how he used force judgement (?) which was basically force lightning but green. He justified its use saying it came from a place of defence not attack. Perhaps Dooku initially dabbles in the dark side when those closest to him are threatened. Here we say Qui-Gon about to die and Dooku still hurting the bounty hunter until he realises that his Padawans okay. This may also line up nicely with his catalyst for leaving the order: Qui gon’s death.



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The story is from the essential guide to the force lore book though it originally appeared in the Jedi power battles game and your close it's called electric judgement.

And I think your reasoning makes sense as we know that Masters are able to research Sith holocrons and stuff (in fact in Legends Dooku gets another kid kicked out of the order when the two of them go and try to steal a holocron from the library) this could even be the first time he has ever actually used Force lightning


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Jedi Master Dooku and Padawan Qui-Gon? :D

"Surley you can do better!" :P""