okay last video regarding the Intel
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stuff I promise as you can imagine we
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talk about the failing CPUs and Intel's
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involvement and the fact the motherboard
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still own a huge piece of this even
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though the Intel statement said their
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micro code there's much deeper nuances
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to why the dynamic between motherboards
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and CPUs is causing these failures in
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13th and 14th gen anyway I digress uh as
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you can imagine my inbox has lots of
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people saying what can I do to keep my
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CPU from failing while I'm waiting for
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the latest micro code that is supposed
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to help relieve of the risks to the
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Future so we're going to talk about that
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today I'm going to show you what you
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need to do with your system to hopefully
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keep it running in the meantime um and
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Talon um had this system for a while now
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and actually hasn't been touched in
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quite a while in terms of updating bios
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and stuff so I figured today would be a
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good opportunity to talk about that so I
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actually had a long conversation with
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Falcon about this because obviously any
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system integrator is going to have a lot
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more in-depth knowledge of what the
1:37
nuances are what the challenges are uh
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so I wanted to kind of pick their brains
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on what consumers can do right now to
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make sure and not just their own
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customers own SI customers but anyone
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running an Intel system right now that's
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affected by 13th to 14th gen failures or
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potential failures what can they do to
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keep their their risk uh as low as
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possible so the very first thing that
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was said is the number one thing you can
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possibly do is update your bios the
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reason for that is the fact that many of
2:05
these fixes uh are motherboard issues as
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well I don't really have the time to go
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into a deep dive on this I know Wendell
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has talked about it with level one text
2:13
I know Steve has talked about some bio
2:16
stuff but he's he's more on the Crusade
2:18
against the brand if you will um so
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we'll back off from that but the um
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buildzoid has also done some amazing
2:24
content regarding the problems with the
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motherboard settings and bios and the
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way that they're designed
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um which is just layering in the Intel
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problem so really it's kind of The
2:34
Perfect Storm between Intel not keeping
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close enough tabs on their board
2:38
partners and keeping them within spec um
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and then the board Partners obviously
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taking too much liberties with what the
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cpu's capabilities are when it comes to
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voltages and stuff so I had asked a
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question like if I was to recommend that
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everyone drop their frequencies and drop
2:53
their voltages and just keep the CPUs
2:54
more gimped in the meantime um it was
2:57
basically explained to me that that's
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actually somewhat part of the problem
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some of the problem too is is sometimes
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undervolting or undervolting by the
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motherboard manufacturers has been C
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causing instability problems so that's
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why the number one recommendation is
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going to be to update your bios now
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that's scary for a lot of people um and
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most si do not recommend that their
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customers update their bios without
3:19
using some sort of an installer or a
3:21
guide from the SI themselves the SI
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really wants to keep the customers um
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experience very curated so that they
3:28
know exactly what the customers doing
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they need step-by-step instructions
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which is exactly what Falcon provided
3:33
for their systems um doesn't matter if
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it's a falcon Northwest or an iby power
3:37
or an NZXT build or origin PC or um
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digital storm or CLX or whatever brands
3:44
that are out there right you just talk
3:46
to them first and foremost because if
3:47
your CPU fails you're going to have to
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go through them to get it fixed which I
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still think is an unnecessary step
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because of the fact that you would have
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to send in your entire system to get it
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replaced that ends up being the problem
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so first and foremost this bios right
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here is old uh this one is version 1303
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and I think the BIOS that we're actually
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going to be putting on this machine that
4:06
was sent over by Falcon Northwest
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because they test it first they they
4:10
test the BIOS to make sure that what
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they're what the brand is like in this
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case Asus is sending to them saying this
4:15
is going to fix the problems they go
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through and vet all of that and say yes
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or no these are not good enough um we're
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not going to send these to our customers
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Etc so the latest BIOS with I think it's
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2406 we'll see in a moment um is
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apparently the one that they're highly
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recommending in fact I sent out a blast
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email last week to all their customers
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saying use this bios and then based on
4:35
which motherboard you're using in their
4:36
build they show you which one to use so
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we're going to be doing some AB testing
4:41
if you will not as controlled of an
4:43
environment as I would like but this is
4:45
out of the box the only that's changed
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is I did change the ram it's not RGB Ram
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anymore it's 6,000 MHz um 32 GB of
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crucial Ram I put the other Ram which
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was non-binary Ram I wanted to do a
4:56
video on that and I kind of forgot and
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I'll come back to it probably that's
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like 96 GB of non-binary RAM which is
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like 248 Ram or gig sticks so they're in
5:05
something else right now that's the only
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change I made to this system so bio
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settings are all untouched with the
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exception of enabling the XMP for the
5:13
latest bios um you also notice too let's
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talk about the the voltage for a second
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cuz Phil did point it out 1.43 in the
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Bios is actually normal some bioses and
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I Falcon showed this um can go up to
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like 1.67 which is very not good so
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there's lots of weirdness happening in
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the Bios so let's talk about some of the
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settings here so you'll notice there's
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none of the additional tab that was
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added later which is the Intel
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specification settings so this is all
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the typical stuff let bios
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optimize right um there's my XMP so if I
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go into
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the CPU power management stuff you'll
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see there it is it's uncapped right
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40,000 or 40,000 4,95 watt which is
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unlimited 511 amps which again is
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unlimited cuz 512 is unlimited so
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essentially it's just for 56 seconds
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guess it doesn't matter cuz it just goes
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from 4,000 to 4,000 let the cooler be
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the limit so TVB or thermal velocity
6:05
boost it's using that table to say hey
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at these temperatures run these
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frequencies well we can actually look at
6:11
the TVB on this so from the main AI
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tweaker tab if you go to thermal
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velocity boost you can actually see what
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the tables look like right here right so
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one active core wants to go to 60 two
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wants to go to 60 Three wants to go to
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57 do you notice there's no temp inin
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this is where it should kind of be
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saying at these temperatures drop the
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frequencies 100 um Intel actually
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specifies that 85° C is where you're
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supposed to lose the first 100 MHz bin
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they're all zeros on here because
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basically it's just saying let the
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cooler be the limiting factor at that
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point and it's basically going to only
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limit if you start to hit the the topend
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temperature threshold which is 100 C in
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this case but like I said Intel has it
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set to I believe 85 C is where you
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should drop the first 100 megahertz and
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then it goes on from there so that's all
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zeros I'm curious to see if any of this
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is going to change at all um this is
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also going to be entirely dependent on
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the profile that's pre-loaded so on the
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newer bios you'll see there's going to
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be Intel settings that will show up that
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should change some of this so I'm I'm
7:09
just only looking at this with you guys
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on camera because I'm going to be
7:11
looking for things that are changing I
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want to see what the new bios is going
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to look like especially since it's so
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this one's so old versus the the one
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that I'm going to be loading but I want
7:20
to see if we're going to lose any
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performance too so I'll take you along
7:23
for the ride on how to update the BIOS
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on an Asus motherboard you'll have to
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follow the motherboard manufacturers for
7:28
any MSI gigabyte as rock or any other
7:30
boards that you might have um usually
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they're pretty easily built into to the
7:34
BIOS themselves where you just run
7:36
utility within the BIOS and that's that
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I highly recommend you also remove any
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overclocks that you have applied right
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now any overclocks at all for obvious
7:45
reasons especially since right now
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voltage is the number one killer of the
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uh the CPUs for a multitude of reasons
7:53
so sbench R23 and hardware monitor are
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my two favorite utilities when it comes
7:57
to checking thermals on a CPU and
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voltages and such it's free I've done a
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video about it um you can see our vid
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Max is set to
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1.40 whatever right here that's actually
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what we saw in the Bios there but we
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also have a vcor um right here which is
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going to be fluctuating based on the
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load so you can see it's going between
8:13
1. 385 let stop wiggling the mouse it'll
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probably drop back down to 7 no there it
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goes 097 and then we're looking at our
8:21
wattages down here too so our package
8:23
wattage and we can see our IIA core
8:25
wattage is right here but we're looking
8:26
to see I'm curious as to how high that's
8:28
going to probably go based on our cooler
8:30
it's probably going to go well over 300
8:31
I'm guessing near 320 watts and then
8:34
obviously our our temperatures and our
8:36
voltages I just want to and then our
8:37
score what's our score going to be and
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what's it going to be impacted by with
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this update so a single multi-threaded
8:43
run it's going to get hot there's 80 94
8:46
96 98 97 and 100 there it goes and we
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even have a red light on the motherboard
8:51
that they're showing we are throttling
8:53
currently um but not really though cuz
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look we're still at 5.7 all core oh one
8:58
core just hit 56 for second second 57 so
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if we take a look we
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341 Watts it's we have a 280 mm aiio on
9:09
here that we're asking a whole lot of
9:11
that thing it's
9:12
341 Watts we got a 41,0 273 though
9:16
that's a really good score the problem
9:18
is every time we Hammer the CPU like
9:20
this we're potentially degrading it more
9:23
so and that was one run we would
9:25
obviously lose speed as the cooler
9:27
becomes saturated and the coolant temp
9:29
comes up we'll start seeing those clocks
9:30
drop but they're not going to be
9:31
dropping um because of the fact that
9:33
it's realizing that the coolant hotter
9:35
and there's going be dropping because
9:36
it's going to be hitting the thermal
9:38
threshold so hard that it has no choice
9:41
but to drop the frequency and the
9:42
voltages to try and get the temperatures
9:44
down so right now I'm just scraping that
9:46
limit I'm probably just barely bumping
9:48
my head on it as we do our runs so I've
9:52
flashed my BIOS well I copy my BIOS onto
9:55
a uh thumb drive and then we're just
9:57
going to boot into our our bios here
10:00
and then we are going to use the
10:01
built-in utility now I could do a bios
10:03
flashback on this if I wanted but I
10:05
don't feel there's any reason to if the
10:06
system's up and running any profiles
10:08
that you have saved by the way any
10:10
custom profile stuff will get lost in
10:12
fact we'll probably even lose the Falcon
10:14
logo unless I go in because this bios
10:16
has the logo on it because it's part of
10:18
an SI distributed bios we have to go in
10:20
and enable that though so let's do
10:23
advanced mode go over here to Tool Asus
10:26
easy flash 3 utility just navigate to
10:29
our thumb drive which should be that guy
10:32
nope oh it's that guy there it is right
10:34
there so z790 2402 so yeah we went from
10:39
a very old bios now to a very much more
10:42
revision yeah 1303 to a
10:45
20402 so it has been a while here's the
10:49
thing regarding Asus bios update
10:51
specifically it'll probably restart a
10:54
couple times it might even look like it
10:56
hung a few times Let It Go be Elsa Let
11:00
It Go it might it's probably going to go
11:02
through and do an initial clear like
11:04
it's doing now then a flash to the eom
11:07
then it'll restart and probably flash
11:08
something to like Asus Aura there's like
11:10
something else on the board it flashes
11:12
for Aura and then it might restart again
11:14
and do the me um which is the the uh
11:16
management engine update for the the CPU
11:19
and then it might do another restart so
11:22
don't interrupt the process or the next
11:25
video you'll be looking up is how do I
11:26
do a bios flashback on a bricked bios so
11:29
I'm going to let this go it's going to
11:31
take a minute it's a big update cuz a
11:33
lot has changed since the last
11:34
[Music]
11:41
[Music]
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one and this is how we know we're ready
11:46
to proceed so it did the initial erase
11:49
the eom then you see the progress bar
11:50
then a reboot and then it shows Flashing
11:53
LED firmware which is like the aura
11:55
stuff and then a reboot and then the
11:57
management engine or the me firmware and
11:59
then then a reboot and now here we are
12:01
so every time it turns off I've seen
12:04
people then like start to try and hit
12:06
delete and mash the buttons and stuff
12:07
and although once it gets past the the
12:10
main firmware flash it tends to be able
12:11
to self-recover pretty well and realize
12:13
like Hey we're not done with what we
12:14
were doing don't interrupt it just let
12:16
it go until you get to here and now we
12:19
can go back into our bio settings where
12:20
everything's going to be
12:22
basically well look our voltage already
12:25
dropped down some so from 1.40 something
12:27
to 1359
12:30
um XMP is currently disabled that's fine
12:33
so let's see now what has changed once
12:36
we get in here so here's our Intel
12:39
default and then Asus Advanced OC
12:41
profile activate the Asus Advanced OC
12:43
profile to set all configurations to
12:45
Auto without power limit current and
12:48
voltage safeguards utilizing unlocked
12:50
features or modifying the clock
12:51
frequency or voltage could lead to
12:52
decreased instability and lifespan of
12:54
the processor they were doing it for you
12:55
already don't let them fool you uh fre
12:58
and and other system components if you
12:59
intend to overclock your processor learn
13:02
what you're doing they're basically
13:03
saying so that's really all we get like
13:05
we used to see that there was Intel
13:07
default and Intel extreme and all that
13:10
anyway oh right here so Intel default is
13:13
Intel extreme I'm guessing says load the
13:16
Intel extreme profile and set ICC Max to
13:19
400 amps pl1 and 2 are set to 253 for 19
13:22
13900 and 1400 K and KF which is fine
13:26
okay let's just load that the Intel def
13:29
default settings which means now by
13:32
default Asus multicore enhancement has
13:33
switched to enforce all limits that's
13:35
fine let's now see what our thermal
13:39
velocity boost stuff looks
13:42
like so
13:44
at well I guess it shows one and two at
13:48
80 we'll lose 100 MHz at 90 we'll lose
13:51
another 100 MHz but for three you know
13:55
for any cores three or more being used
13:57
it's kind of not doing anything okay so
13:59
really all I did was turn off turn on
14:02
Intel limits and then XMP that's all I
14:05
changed a pretty strong feeling we going
14:07
to lose score I can't see at 253 wats
14:10
with the voltage limit we're going to
14:11
have with that that we could go anywhere
14:12
near 57 allore I think we're going to be
14:14
like 5'4 allore and then I think we're
14:17
going to probably be around 39,000 I
14:19
think we'll probably lose like a solid
14:20
2,000 points I'd rather lose 2,000
14:22
points than all of the points cuz the
14:24
CPU is dead so let's see what our
14:26
temperature shoot up to immediately and
14:28
let's check our wattage right
14:30
here hey 253 hey 70
14:34
79 said 78 79 we're at 5 GHz all core 51
14:39
GHz all core now so we did lose some
14:42
speed we certainly did and we're going
14:43
to lose a bit of score with it too look
14:46
37,5 74 that is a stock 13900 14900
14:51
score 14900 is like usually like 500 to
14:53
1,000 more that is a stock score that is
14:56
what Behavior was expected did to happen
14:59
look at our vcore max if if we do the
15:01
run again multicore let's watch it
15:03
during the run right here vcore
15:05
1.27 that is such a reasonable number
15:09
now I see this a lot of times people ask
15:11
like why does it say 1.43 n well if the
15:13
CPU is not under full load and the cores
15:16
are bouncing around doing different
15:17
things and the frequency is high it has
15:19
to give it More Voltage to give
15:20
stability to the higher frequencies but
15:22
it can do that safely too because it's
15:23
not doing it one for long sustained
15:25
periods of time and two it's well within
15:27
the safe limit Intel says anything 1.5
15:31
and lower is like okay anything 1.5 and
15:35
above they're a little nervous about and
15:37
again the motherboards have a lot of
15:38
leeway on how this voltage applies to
15:40
your CPU regardless of micr code
15:43
anything 1.6 or above they want a
15:44
screenshot they want they want they want
15:46
to see it because that should not be
15:48
happening that's kind of What's led to a
15:49
lot of this failure analysis to figure
15:51
out that a lot of these these CPUs were
15:52
overvolting the crap out of themselves
15:54
or requesting the voltage and the
15:55
motherboards were like sure take it the
15:58
motherboard really should also be
15:59
responsible for saying are you sure you
16:02
want 1.6 volts cuz our records show you
16:05
should not be exceeding
16:07
1.5 and then sign a waiver here initial
16:10
these three places and notarize and then
16:12
off you go anyway yes the behavior did
16:15
exactly what I expected it to do we lost
16:16
performance but with it very reasonable
16:19
temperatures and very reasonable um
16:22
voltages what I want to do now is I want
16:24
to see what happens with that Asus
16:26
overclocking profile okay so let's go
16:28
ahead and go to Advanced OC profile I
16:31
have no idea what's changed I think that
16:35
technically yes that now is doing the
16:37
remove all limits thing uh multicore
16:39
enhancement let bios okay CPU load line
16:41
calibration level four recommended for
16:43
OC um ACDC load line with vrm load line
16:47
enabled to disabled which is actually a
16:50
a good thing we talked about that um on
16:51
the phone too the how these two can
16:53
actually um cause problems when enabled
16:55
together so it was already asking for
16:57
more volts at one point V there it is
17:00
1332 so you can see from 1. 217 actually
17:03
that was under full load anyway it's
17:05
going to bounce around let's see what
17:06
happens now with a full core workload
17:09
there it is 91 93 98 right back to where
17:12
it was 344 so it's it's essentially what
17:15
it was prior to us even doing the
17:17
flashing and there's our
17:19
41,021 the performance is back but with
17:21
it the incredible voltages so let's do
17:23
it again here VOR Under full load from
17:27
1. 217 to a 1 385 I
17:31
mean if you had extreme cooling you
17:34
could do it but I'm just not comfortable
17:38
with that at all so as you can see it
17:41
just undid everything we did so my
17:44
recommendations and they're not just my
17:46
recommendations the're recommendations
17:47
of those that I reached out to in the
17:49
industry that work with thousands of
17:50
computers more than I deal with update
17:54
your bios and make sure that the Intel
17:56
limitation stuff is enabled okay you're
18:00
still going to have Brands wanting to
18:01
push the limits you're still going to
18:02
have Brands wanting to push their own
18:04
their own flavor of they want to deal
18:07
with an unlock CPU to make them look
18:09
better than all of the other brands that
18:11
are out there motherboard wise
18:12
realistically your motherboard itself
18:14
should not be should not be pushing a
18:17
CPU Beyond its Factory specifications
18:20
out of the box which we've already shown
18:22
the motherboards will do repeatedly and
18:25
criminally as far as I'm concerned so
18:28
update your bios any 13th or 14th gen
18:31
probably not a bad idea for 12th gen
18:33
either to be honest but any intel
18:35
motherboard at this point within the
18:36
last three generations of CPU update the
18:39
BIOS and then don't enable any
18:42
overclocks there will be another bios
18:44
coming with the micro code stuff in
18:47
August if everything goes smoothly and
18:49
and they flush out any of the the bugs
18:51
that are built into that micro code but
18:53
don't believe Intel when they say our
18:55
micro code was the only problem cuz it
18:57
wasn't they're kind of sticking up for
18:58
their board partners and really sort of
19:00
I think unfairly allowing them to get
19:03
away with what they've gotten away with
19:05
it's go watch go watch Wendell level one
19:07
text go to go to Wendell's personal
19:09
Twitter and watch what an Asus w680
19:12
Server Motherboard is doing to a 35 watt
19:15
part spoiler alert is pushing 253 watts
19:18
to a 35 watt part why because Asus and
19:22
their Infinite Wisdom decided to take
19:24
all of this logic and apply it to all
19:25
their motherboards and just somehow
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ignore the fact that it's a 35 wat part
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with 106 WT boost and say 256 all day
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long let's go the problems continue and
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this is why people have trust issues in
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this industry cu the brands have been
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getting away with it for way too long so
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anyway save your stuff cuz I think the
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last thing you want to have to deal with
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is
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RMA good luck

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