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Keith Low
Question.
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Keith Low
So something I passed over to you.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Sure.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Hey, doing it?
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Lim Zhao Siang
Uh, let me share my screen.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Let me know when you guys can see it.
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Keith Low
Yeah, I can see.
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Duraid Wadie
Yeah.
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Lim Zhao Siang
OK.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
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Lim Zhao Siang
So this is regarding the licensing for art, right.
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Lim Zhao Siang
I think we have several discussion on this already and I'll just wanted to, you know clarify, you know I always expecting JQ will be here so that he can help answer some other questions.
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Lim Zhao Siang
But if it's not, I think probably our, you know, I checked him later on, maybe after he look at the recordings, right.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Uh, you know, he will probably have some answers for that as well.
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Lim Zhao Siang
So I think the first question I have was like is is like you know should actually platform be calling you know provisioning or licensing service, right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
I I do have this table over here, right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
What?
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Lim Zhao Siang
What are the pros if we are using provisioning, what are the pros if we are using licensing or and some of the content as well right.
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Lim Zhao Siang
But but do it.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Do you know what is the future state of licensing service?
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Lim Zhao Siang
Because at least you know I did check with Dean or Dean.
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Lim Zhao Siang
And there are perspective is aligned with mine as well, right if you know if provisioning actually covers all that, you know that is from licensing, right.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Do we should we actually only have one or should we still need to keep both provisioning and licensing?
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Duraid Wadie
Uh.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Umm.
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Duraid Wadie
Well, I mean as far as how it was before and today, I I don't know the current direction of the licensing service because only why I know there are few projects is being approved on the licensing service.
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Duraid Wadie
I would say and and that's really the linkage to arc.
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Duraid Wadie
So you would make sense by today to supply the to to away from each other, from licensing and provisioning.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Mm-hmm.
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Duraid Wadie
I would I would actually strongly recommend to do that because arc licensing it's actually gonna be a reliant on what we going to do.
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Duraid Wadie
And however, who's going to configure all of that?
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Duraid Wadie
It's not really the cloud operation team or not really the I would say any technical team.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Umm.
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Duraid Wadie
So some, you know, like some UI need it, and that's really a strong, I would say, uh argument to actually say supporting up to services away from each other that makes sense how they communicate.
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Duraid Wadie
I would say at early stages, I mean the preferred way really is eventing.
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Duraid Wadie
But the best with you, if there is a time to do this, yes.
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Duraid Wadie
If there isn't, that can become later on, because this service itself is not gonna be hit.
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Duraid Wadie
Specifically, when you're gonna update the license or another license, that's not gonna happen a lot.
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Duraid Wadie
That's just very minimal to Venezuela.
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Lim Zhao Siang
I see.
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Duraid Wadie
But but what happens when you update a license?
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Lim Zhao Siang
Right.
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Duraid Wadie
That's when you need to fire up an events because those event will be picked up by the ARK services and our services should not really rely on API calls anymore from from.
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Duraid Wadie
From the platform side, if that makes sense.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Yes.
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Lim Zhao Siang
So I can understand that.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Uh, your perspective direct right.
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Lim Zhao Siang
And I do sort of agree that if licensing there is a future state, right, it's best that we split them out as well, right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
So if that's the case, right, I would.
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Lim Zhao Siang
You know, I would assume and I would prefer that you know platform will be calling the licensing service to get the you know, I mean won't be calling, but maybe like you know we need to implement eventing for licensing if that's the case, right, uh and but for clause perspective, right when they are using provisioning right when they first provisioning their environments, right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
That's the time that they will be using the provisioning service to create the environment, right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
I think that doesn't change.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Is that correct?
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Duraid Wadie
That's correct.
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Duraid Wadie
It doesn't change, right?
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Duraid Wadie
That's makes no difference to Venezuela.
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Duraid Wadie
You however, I mean.
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Duraid Wadie
What we need to think about the little bit right is what it needs to be agreed.
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Duraid Wadie
I would actually say who's going to open the licensing information that that's what makes, I would say a big difference than ideagen when it comes to onboard customers.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Mm-hmm.
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Duraid Wadie
So who's who knows this license number right?
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Duraid Wadie
When he gonna say all the time?
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Duraid Wadie
Risk numbers 5 and 10, whatever they are, right, and the types of them who knows this, to be honest with you, the cloud operation know don't know that information.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Agree.
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Duraid Wadie
So who actually knows?
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Duraid Wadie
This is the project teams who knows this information, they actually scope it.
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Duraid Wadie
From what we call it, you know the the sales force while they onboarding the project to support these numbers and it's the project team gonna send it to the cloud operation team.
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Duraid Wadie
That's why needs to be agreed.
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Duraid Wadie
Who's going to do this?
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Duraid Wadie
However, when it come to renewal license, yeah, this is completely not into the cloud operation.
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Duraid Wadie
That's what I'm talking about.
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Duraid Wadie
You.
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Duraid Wadie
I was here, so maybe the first iterations of the provisioning talking to the licensing service are these numbers that might be keen done by IPIS, but any update on licensing you know that can't go to the cloud operation.
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Duraid Wadie
So that has to have some UI to update and change licenses.
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Duraid Wadie
I would say otherwise.
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Duraid Wadie
You're gonna end up with problematic things between those departments, I would say and operations.
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Duraid Wadie
No, no, no.
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Keith Low
Uh, do you just just a question, you mentioned UI uh update for renewal, so basically uh the person who update will probably if I for example we talk let's let's talk about us, you will be somebody in art who updates the license during no.
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Duraid Wadie
No, no, no, no.
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Duraid Wadie
I would not be somebody enough to do this.
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Duraid Wadie
Nothing to do with ARC.
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Keith Low
Uh-huh.
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Duraid Wadie
We understood that that's that's that's how idea generated works.
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Keith Low
Uh, OK. Umm.
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Duraid Wadie
Is that renewal team that renewal team is actually it's some of the best in India.
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Duraid Wadie
So as far as I know today they moved a lot of them from the UK and they actually in India there's any real or renewal team who deals with this when they actually come and change licenses, it can go to the cloud operation, some products do Venus with you, but this type of agreement who actually does what you know if we want to cloud operation to do license changes those guys can deal with API.
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Duraid Wadie
If those guys say we're not gonna do this right and we have had to have some view eyes, I would say.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Uh, chief, would you be able to see, you know, found find it out?
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Lim Zhao Siang
OK.
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Keith Low
Yeah, we don't have it.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Or because it seems like this is a separate UI that you know I home's gonna have, right.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah, yes, yes.
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Duraid Wadie
A week?
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Keith Low
We we we don't have this at the moment as far as I know what?
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Duraid Wadie
Yes, I mean depends Wadie at operation level.
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Duraid Wadie
If we don't agree which team I mean if idea agent let's say gonna the cloud of our cloud operation comes as we're not doing this right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
Mm-hmm.
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Duraid Wadie
That is not technical people to actually in all these teams go on call API calls to do this and will end up in big troubles to Venezuela up when licensing changes, so that UI needs to exist.
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Duraid Wadie
It depends which team is going to do that work.
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Duraid Wadie
I thought, you know, in operations if that makes sense.
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Duraid Wadie
If it was me, actually I would say if this is ready, I would have a UI for the whole thing from provisioning all the way to licensing, just to simplify it.
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Duraid Wadie
And that makes sense.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Today, just to let you know, right Team Odin actually right now they are working on some provisioning UI work.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Uh provisioning UI that you know allowed.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Well, it was intended for cloud OPS teams, right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
But previously all all those API calls they have to use like for example post postman to make the API call right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
But we are actually creating a provision UI where they can actually use the the UI itself, right to to update, to create, uh, those those are to call those API, right.
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Lim Zhao Siang
But we did not plan to have, I mean at this moment, right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
We don't have it for licensing, but if let's say we have approached you are that can update licensing right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
That will actually.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Sort of fixed the not to say fixed, but that is the backup plan that we have right?
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Lim Zhao Siang
If cloud Austin do not want to update, that means that brochure I can be that pressure you.
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Lim Zhao Siang
I can be used by the what do you call the team just now?
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Keith Low
The renewal thing, honey.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Renu team as well.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Does that make sense, right?
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Duraid Wadie
Yeah, if if it's actually possible to have this, I would say in the in the provisioning UI somewhere that says like licensing update, we just need to make sure we can you know, the team who's gonna be using this, they're not the provisioning team, the people who's going to provisioning them.
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Duraid Wadie
However, if we can say the implementation teams can do this, then they can do the provisioning as well as the licensing update.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
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Duraid Wadie
But that type of who actually gonna do this, he needs to become really from, you know, the customer department who's going to do this.
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Duraid Wadie
I would actually try to seek the approval.
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Duraid Wadie
Who's going to do this work?
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Duraid Wadie
But earlier, to understand what we need to do, I would actually say it's because we can't just go and give them something.
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Duraid Wadie
It's we don't know who's gonna do the work.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah, true, true.
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Duraid Wadie
I would say I mean when, when, when, when there is, you know one that is let's say an an arc and on the platform are multitenant system right?
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Duraid Wadie
What?
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Duraid Wadie
What cloud operation is to do?
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Duraid Wadie
Why did they need even to actually on board the tenant?
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Duraid Wadie
It's nothing to do with them, but that makes sense because they're not dealing with infrastructure anymore.
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Duraid Wadie
You know, they're actually somebody who bought in a tenant or onboarding a new customer is really nothing to do with the operations, but Cloud operation team, you know it's more really of an implementation of project management at that stage because the environment is all exist.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
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Keith Low
OK, I think my question is let's say let's say we are designing this for uh all design your who does what for he.
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Keith Low
Is it something that our team will have to decide themselves or I need to collaborate with them?
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Keith Low
Yeah, I think right now the, the.
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Duraid Wadie
Who designed the operation level at operation level?
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Keith Low
Uh.
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Duraid Wadie
Really, it's more of.
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Duraid Wadie
Right.
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Keith Low
Hmm.
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Duraid Wadie
So he needs to be probably increased DiPierro talking to cross Walsh and probably I think the Mona, the, the the guys and the customer support those guys needs to decide who's going to do what from their team and operation.
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Duraid Wadie
There is nothing to do with our Venezuela.
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Keith Low
Umm.
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Duraid Wadie
You because you know, like, no, the TPO's gonna go and do anything on on on a production system.
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Duraid Wadie
Not that's just not gonna happen.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
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Duraid Wadie
I would say.
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Duraid Wadie
So it's more of, you know, is it that plantation team, is it, you know, that's the the people in support going to do this.
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Duraid Wadie
They need to decide who's going to do this, so the current current things on the existing product, how it works is the cloud operation and install the system because it's it's actually infrastructure needed.
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Duraid Wadie
But some of the implementation team you know add the configuration or implement the licensing and some of it actually is the renewal team who's doing that as well, who supplies the depends on the current product state, I would say.
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Duraid Wadie
But to be very close, let's say to the current the if we need to be very close to a SAS.
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Duraid Wadie
You know, provider really is this stuff really should be automated as much as possible.
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Duraid Wadie
So you should really be the team who can unboard the tenant who actually can.
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Duraid Wadie
I mean the the licensing UI should be separate from the provisioning UI.
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Duraid Wadie
So just in case you're gonna say there's a bunch of users can access this UI, this bunch of users can access this UI.
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Duraid Wadie
If we need to go to that level because the people really who on board the tenant, it's really nothing to do with licensing if that makes sense, because all that they do and they just don't board in a tenant and you customer.
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Duraid Wadie
But the the UI itself, it needs to be extremely simple.
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Duraid Wadie
You know, there's that doesn't need to be, like very complicated.
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Duraid Wadie
A lot of you X dot on it because doing not that much.
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Duraid Wadie
It's just really saying, OK, what's my tenant, for example for the tenant, what is the number of licensing and you know some emails to the configuration teams and that's about it.
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Duraid Wadie
The licensing should even be simpler.
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Duraid Wadie
You select your tenant and he says, well, the licensing details available on all change them and just click update when you click the update that let's say there is a reduction on licensing from something to something that really needs to everything we do.
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Duraid Wadie
If we just need to log in the you know in our change log that's extremely important because we need to know who's Dumber.
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Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
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Duraid Wadie
Change, not.
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Duraid Wadie
Not anybody can go and change a license detail.
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Duraid Wadie
If we, I mean, we need to know who's done this, but that makes sense.
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Duraid Wadie
But that's the extremely important because when it changes viruses and if you got 20 users already assigned to five like that actually at the customer level, that's a better problem happened.
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Duraid Wadie
I mean, there's lots licensing available.
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Duraid Wadie
So I think the first iteration of the licensing UI needs to be extremely simple.
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Duraid Wadie
Then we can actually improve on this to actually add, I would say more details onto them like shows the current licensing, the current usage of of many things.
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Duraid Wadie
It's depends, but I would have you eyes for this.
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Duraid Wadie
Uh and API calls just because we I don't know which team is going to do it to Venezuela.
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Duraid Wadie
You and most likely a cloud operation wouldn't do this.
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Keith Low
Uh, sorry, uh.
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Keith Low
Direct you mentioned cloud operation the but the renewal team will be doing the renewal license the the cloud operation you're referring to the the first time when we provision the user.
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Duraid Wadie
Yeah, because the client operation themselves might not end up doing this, even with the provisioning, right?
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Duraid Wadie
Because they're not provisioning uh infrastructure only.
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Duraid Wadie
What they really do it just on more than a tenant.
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Duraid Wadie
This is what I'm saying.
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Duraid Wadie
Like it's actually.
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Duraid Wadie
We need a meeting really with those guys, you know, let's say from all the Chris, Chris Walsh and Monad to decide which Operation team is gonna pick this up to do it.
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Keith Low
Umm OK.
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Duraid Wadie
Is it implementation team than they've London Mentation team there are capable of actually calling.
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Duraid Wadie
Maybe API with very good guidelines so that is a UI.
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Duraid Wadie
You know, it'll just simplify the world for all of those teams, I would say.
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Keith Low
OK, basically there will be 2 UI, one is the UI for provisioning.
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Keith Low
So I think that is to to provision user and the other one is the licensing you I licensing UI actually is meant for renewal, right?
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Duraid Wadie
Yeah, you can actually update all the licensing for that specific tenant, I would say.
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Duraid Wadie
But everything we do, we should really just all the trailer.
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Duraid Wadie
I would say is that you are you actually mentioned we have for the provisioning service is that part of the idea Gen home admin or what is that part of the UI?
0:16:21.450 --> 0:16:33.980
Lim Zhao Siang
It's I think at this moment it's not part of additional home you I have, but I think JK and Swan has a perspective that ultimately this so called brochure I will be adapted into IHOME as well.
0:16:34.310 --> 0:16:39.410
Lim Zhao Siang
But at this moment there are standalone and they are separated from IHOME yeah.
0:16:41.0 --> 0:16:41.280
Duraid Wadie
OK.
0:16:45.380 --> 0:16:46.90
Duraid Wadie
OK.
0:16:46.140 --> 0:16:46.990
Duraid Wadie
Yeah.
0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.610
Duraid Wadie
So stand alone, right?
0:16:48.620 --> 0:16:49.290
Duraid Wadie
So who?
0:16:49.340 --> 0:16:52.840
Duraid Wadie
When you come to login into it, how you logging into it this UI?
0:16:54.390 --> 0:16:55.110
Lim Zhao Siang
At this moment.
0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:55.950
Duraid Wadie
How do you know who's going to change?
0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:2.650
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah, I think at this moment the the logging is true key clock as well, right?
0:17:3.160 --> 0:17:10.930
Lim Zhao Siang
I I I have to check with the team how, how do we gonna specify the roles and permission for you know.
0:17:12.220 --> 0:17:16.570
Lim Zhao Siang
You know those folks that will allow will be allowed to make changes to provisioning, right?
0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:22.240
Lim Zhao Siang
So, but at least one they're using key core as the authentications for for this provision UI.
0:17:23.650 --> 0:17:29.920
Duraid Wadie
Yeah, I mean, we don't wanna to overcomplicate it at this stage for provisioning, I would say.
0:17:30.910 --> 0:17:32.830
Lim Zhao Siang
Hmm yeah.
0:17:32.270 --> 0:17:35.240
Duraid Wadie
Yeah, we don't need to come over complicate it at this stage.
0:17:35.900 --> 0:17:36.430
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
0:17:36.550 --> 0:17:54.170
Lim Zhao Siang
I mean, I think this is just an additional features that you know, I think cutoff stain previously when when we went through with them on the provisioning API services right they would they actually suggested that you would prefer that you know if they have a UI to to provision that would be great.
0:17:54.260 --> 0:18:4.550
Lim Zhao Siang
So that's the reason why the team decided to, you know, have this provision UI right and and we don't have an exact timeline when this is going to be ready.
0:18:4.560 --> 0:18:11.920
Lim Zhao Siang
The team is just implementing it right now, so at this moment of time, provisioning still will be done through the postman.
0:18:12.570 --> 0:18:22.270
Lim Zhao Siang
Uh, you know, if they if let's say they would want, you know, clouds, they would want to provisioning provision of a tenant, let's say, right, so yeah.
0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:25.330
Duraid Wadie
Yeah.
0:18:25.340 --> 0:18:26.510
Duraid Wadie
Yeah, which just makes sense to me.
0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:27.440
Duraid Wadie
So that's why they ask him.
0:18:27.450 --> 0:18:28.60
Duraid Wadie
Ready for you?
0:18:28.70 --> 0:18:34.820
Duraid Wadie
I because you know that my actually shift that work to another team who doesn't really have a lot of technical skills themselves.
0:18:35.110 --> 0:18:36.440
Duraid Wadie
The cloud operation has died.
0:18:36.610 --> 0:18:37.790
Duraid Wadie
That's where they come from.
0:18:37.810 --> 0:18:38.450
Duraid Wadie
The Venezuelan.
0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:41.340
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah, I understand.
0:18:43.30 --> 0:18:49.20
Lim Zhao Siang
So Keith, I think there is couple of things that we need to align on on this weather.
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Lim Zhao Siang
I mean like, what do I mention right, you know, is cloud opting's gonna be the team that is gonna be doing the provisioning tenant part or is that another team that's gonna be doing that, right?
0:19:0.960 --> 0:19:1.380
Keith Low
Yum.
0:19:4.380 --> 0:19:4.560
Keith Low
Yeah.
0:19:0.210 --> 0:19:4.640
Lim Zhao Siang
I think if if that's the case, right thing provision you I will be helpful in a sense, right?
0:19:4.650 --> 0:19:9.460
Lim Zhao Siang
If it's not a cloud team and the second part is the licensing UI as well, right?
0:19:9.960 --> 0:19:10.210
Keith Low
Hmm.
0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:16.740
Keith Low
Yeah.
0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:17.330
Lim Zhao Siang
And which I mean, the review the renewal team seems like the team that's gonna be doing it.
0:19:17.380 --> 0:19:19.770
Lim Zhao Siang
So, you know, do we need to?
0:19:19.780 --> 0:19:26.770
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah, probably to align with them or especially I, I mean for especially for art, right?
0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.770
Lim Zhao Siang
Umm are we?
0:19:30.820 --> 0:19:37.40
Lim Zhao Siang
I mean for the first release of this art for licensing, right, do we need this UI or can it come later?
0:19:37.50 --> 0:19:40.390
Lim Zhao Siang
I think all these things still need to be discussed, right?
0:19:39.510 --> 0:19:46.580
Keith Low
I'll bring this up to to Christy Peru to discuss because I think right now which team responsible for what?
0:19:46.590 --> 0:19:57.340
Keith Low
I think we are not too sure of the processor because initially I thought it will involve the Arctic, but if it's if it's not, then I think we need to know which team does what.
0:19:57.610 --> 0:20:2.430
Keith Low
One is that secondly, I look at this licensing URL will be useful for the renewal.
0:20:2.500 --> 0:20:6.980
Keith Low
You know, uh, part of what we discussed last week.
0:20:7.350 --> 0:20:12.380
Keith Low
We remember the the the license reduction during renewal.
0:20:13.230 --> 0:20:20.780
Keith Low
Uh, we discussed uh, whether the provisioning service calculate automatically and if it's ready.
0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:26.890
Keith Low
If it's renewal fuel license than what they originally have, we should set and send notification.
0:20:27.540 --> 0:20:31.150
Keith Low
So probably this this part actually can incorporate it in.
0:20:35.870 --> 0:20:36.150
Duraid Wadie
Yeah.
0:20:35.660 --> 0:20:42.290
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah, but Keith, we don't have the cow riding provision licensing, don't we do store them right?
0:20:42.300 --> 0:20:51.880
Lim Zhao Siang
We do store them the user, but whether those are being assigned to a users right, we don't have it and that's gonna be in platform, right?
0:20:55.540 --> 0:20:59.760
Lim Zhao Siang
Because they can, they can provision like pen license, right?
0:21:0.100 --> 0:21:3.350
Lim Zhao Siang
But then, after all, not all 10 license will be assigned to.
0:21:3.950 --> 0:21:4.290
Keith Low
Hmm.
0:21:4.180 --> 0:21:5.880
Lim Zhao Siang
You know, to all the users, right?
0:21:6.180 --> 0:21:11.70
Lim Zhao Siang
So at this moment, you know if they are to reduce the license count, right, they can.
0:21:19.170 --> 0:21:19.350
Keith Low
Yeah.
0:21:11.120 --> 0:21:22.790
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah, licensing will be reduced as well, but whether which users to be reduced, right, I think that it's another questions that we need to find out right, because platform, I'm not sure if they have the information.
0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.610
Keith Low
No, no, this this information definitely don't have.
0:21:25.620 --> 0:21:30.80
Keith Low
I think when when I bring it up to to Chris Peru and Stephanie they they agree.
0:21:30.90 --> 0:21:31.170
Keith Low
We don't have this information.
0:21:31.180 --> 0:21:40.330
Keith Low
That's why we need to send notification to the tenant admin, the user admin that they actually renewing fewer license than what they have earlier.
0:21:41.170 --> 0:21:45.990
Keith Low
So they need to dive deep, provision some unnecessary user which we will have no idea when.
0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:46.930
Lim Zhao Siang
Umm.
0:21:52.0 --> 0:21:53.870
Keith Low
I think first thing first, let me bring this up.
0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.810
Keith Low
Uh, because I think the process is, uh, very important.
0:21:57.300 --> 0:22:0.350
Keith Low
Secondly is I think once we know who is responsible, what then?
0:22:0.360 --> 0:22:4.350
Keith Low
Maybe we can talk to them on on the UI if they have any specific needs or not.
0:22:5.160 --> 0:22:10.630
Keith Low
It looks like the provisioning UI and also the licensing UI will probably be be useful in this sense.
0:22:12.740 --> 0:22:20.20
Lim Zhao Siang
And and Duraid you agree right in a sense that we should you we should make licensing stand alone and if that's the case, right.
0:22:30.890 --> 0:22:31.570
Duraid Wadie
Yeah, that would.
0:22:20.30 --> 0:22:32.430
Lim Zhao Siang
I actually, you know, even can have or you know, Team Odin to start looking into eventing for licensing, because I think at this moment, you know, eventing is not implemented yet because you know all these while we thought, yeah.
0:22:37.220 --> 0:22:37.580
Lim Zhao Siang
Exactly.
0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:39.780
Duraid Wadie
They definitely need advantage when there is a change in licensing because that that is extremely important.
0:22:39.790 --> 0:22:42.770
Duraid Wadie
Arc would only would be looking at the event.
0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:44.770
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
0:22:44.500 --> 0:22:50.790
Duraid Wadie
You know the art would not reach out to any service to API's to be honest with because they have all of that in the place already.
0:22:51.950 --> 0:22:52.940
Duraid Wadie
So I need change.
0:22:52.950 --> 0:22:55.100
Duraid Wadie
I mean that is that not to make sense to split it up?
0:23:6.800 --> 0:23:7.0
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
0:22:55.150 --> 0:23:10.450
Duraid Wadie
But that's what I would say because at that time is come now to split this up, because now you're dealing with the number of licensing you might have a you are once you start thinking you might have UI, you know it's it's a good thing just to separation.
0:23:10.460 --> 0:23:17.570
Duraid Wadie
Of course, it's not a big deal to Venezuela because you can always design it in such a way depends on the team.
0:23:17.580 --> 0:23:19.210
Duraid Wadie
So it's working on all of these, right?
0:23:23.0 --> 0:23:23.670
Lim Zhao Siang
It's the same thing.
0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:24.320
Duraid Wadie
So depends if this is the same team or the different team, different technology or same.
0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:25.90
Lim Zhao Siang
It's gonna be team auditing, right?
0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:25.990
Duraid Wadie
Yeah.
0:23:25.100 --> 0:23:26.90
Lim Zhao Siang
So yeah, yeah.
0:23:26.120 --> 0:23:30.900
Duraid Wadie
So if it's the same team, how long will it gonna take them to supply the app?
0:23:30.910 --> 0:23:32.280
Duraid Wadie
That's the first question, right?
0:23:41.830 --> 0:23:41.970
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
0:23:32.660 --> 0:23:45.290
Duraid Wadie
They probably can implement the altogether if they just have a lot of separation currently in their code between the repos between the UIS they can do that as well, but depends on on the future plan of this licensing service.
0:23:46.0 --> 0:23:46.340
Lim Zhao Siang
Exactly.
0:23:45.740 --> 0:23:52.60
Duraid Wadie
You know, if we don't have anything for the next 12 months, you know it might not make a lot of sense to support it today.
0:23:54.420 --> 0:23:54.930
Lim Zhao Siang
True.
0:23:55.40 --> 0:23:59.600
Lim Zhao Siang
True, I think this probably, you know, need Chee case to help us.
0:23:59.730 --> 0:24:14.910
Lim Zhao Siang
I I'm not sure if there's an apart from apart from this licensing for art roadmap, right, I'm not sure if there's any other, you know, umm product that will be really using licensing as a standalone service, right? Umm.
0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.530
Keith Low
The the intention is to integrate with other product besides art.
0:24:20.20 --> 0:24:21.740
Lim Zhao Siang
But is there a roommate for this this year, Keith?
0:24:23.90 --> 0:24:24.930
Keith Low
Not sure yet, not sure yet.
0:24:24.940 --> 0:24:30.530
Keith Low
I mean, what right is 1 product we're gonna integrate that one way, then OPS central will be.
0:24:30.380 --> 0:24:31.980
Lim Zhao Siang
You truly licensing like services?
0:24:32.930 --> 0:24:37.200
Keith Low
Uh, I haven't discussed up to that stage yet, but when we say integrate.
0:24:38.860 --> 0:24:40.310
Lim Zhao Siang
It's more than SSO, right, isn't it?
0:24:39.290 --> 0:24:42.450
Keith Low
On on SSO, it will actually eventually come to this.
0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:43.640
Lim Zhao Siang
I see.
0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.370
Lim Zhao Siang
OK, I think we only have last four minutes.
0:24:47.380 --> 0:24:47.850
Lim Zhao Siang
I do it.
0:24:47.860 --> 0:24:59.730
Lim Zhao Siang
I have some quick questions as well right here, because I think we all know that from our perspective, right, it will be sort of tied to a tenant right tenant base.
0:24:59.980 --> 0:25:4.370
Lim Zhao Siang
But we are actually also designed the way that you know for other products, right?
0:25:4.380 --> 0:25:9.790
Lim Zhao Siang
It will be time to provide instance based and from what we understand that we are not changing the design right?
0:25:9.800 --> 0:25:23.450
Lim Zhao Siang
So, but the way is that we need a solution to sort of differentiate between you know calling you know, let's say cut OPS calling, you know provisioning API when it provisions right it's provisioning for art then other products, right.
0:25:24.690 --> 0:25:26.420
Lim Zhao Siang
I did discuss this with the Dev Friday.
0:25:26.430 --> 0:25:39.560
Lim Zhao Siang
This suggest that when they call for API for let's say for art right they we can have a flag that is called tenant bits and the other product is called Product instance base is that is this a viable solutions do it?
0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:44.80
Lim Zhao Siang
Yeah.
0:25:39.830 --> 0:25:46.410
Duraid Wadie
That that configuration setting right, it's problematic to Venezuela.
0:25:47.180 --> 0:25:47.460
Lim Zhao Siang
OK.
0:25:47.930 --> 0:25:49.580
Duraid Wadie
So what happens is right.
0:25:49.590 --> 0:25:51.970
Duraid Wadie
I mean, think about the tenant as a customer, right?
0:25:52.540 --> 0:26:3.960
Duraid Wadie
So if a customer, I mean what really Keith mentioned as well is like there is you know a lot not all of my P yet but there is I think you know taking the licensing service to other products.
0:26:5.60 --> 0:26:5.270
Lim Zhao Siang
Mm-hmm.
0:26:5.490 --> 0:26:6.700
Duraid Wadie
Let's say we take.
0:26:6.710 --> 0:26:10.480
Duraid Wadie
Let's say I don't know whatever Airways Malaysian airlines, right.
0:26:10.490 --> 0:26:13.280
Duraid Wadie
So let's say there are customer and that's they're a tenant.
0:26:13.290 --> 0:26:14.820
Duraid Wadie
They have art and other product.
0:26:15.350 --> 0:26:23.380
Duraid Wadie
If you're gonna inject this tenant based at which level here we're talking about that, that makes sense, right?
0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:29.740
Duraid Wadie
What does that flag is gonna sit is at the tenant service or where is it gonna sit?
0:26:30.260 --> 0:26:30.880
Duraid Wadie
Laugh log.
0:26:34.220 --> 0:26:39.360
Lim Zhao Siang
I think that the this flag is basically just a you know when.
0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.30
Duraid Wadie
But where is it actually sitting?
0:26:44.660 --> 0:26:45.730
Lim Zhao Siang
Correct, correct, correct.
0:26:46.510 --> 0:26:47.250
Duraid Wadie
That that makes sense.
0:26:46.140 --> 0:26:47.930
Lim Zhao Siang
Let me think, yeah.
0:26:48.40 --> 0:26:48.630
Duraid Wadie
Yeah.
0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:52.420
Duraid Wadie
So what what I'm actually saying so we know arc arc needs right?
0:26:52.430 --> 0:27:0.80
Duraid Wadie
So when I on board a tenant, all the product instances of Arc yeah, should have similar licensing.
0:27:0.500 --> 0:27:0.860
Lim Zhao Siang
Correct.
0:27:0.250 --> 0:27:4.710
Duraid Wadie
So this is the product level configuration if that makes sense.
0:27:6.80 --> 0:27:6.280
Lim Zhao Siang
Mm-hmm.
0:27:5.990 --> 0:27:18.60
Duraid Wadie
So the product level configuration, it can have OK all my product instances have the same license, so it's not other tenant level, no other product instance level is actually the the product level.
0:27:18.70 --> 0:27:26.440
Duraid Wadie
So we & on board the product and platform, we can have a configuration in the licensing service or the provisioning service can read that makes sense.
0:27:26.590 --> 0:27:29.370
Duraid Wadie
So that's the flag where he can go at the product level.
0:27:32.790 --> 0:27:37.720
Duraid Wadie
And by default we can actually bake in if that makes sense.
0:27:38.190 --> 0:27:42.280
Duraid Wadie
So by default we can switch on for arc is true, so nobody needs to configure that.
0:27:43.550 --> 0:27:44.980
Duraid Wadie
Then the API is just read.
0:27:44.990 --> 0:27:46.500
Duraid Wadie
This it's true.
0:27:46.590 --> 0:27:48.360
Duraid Wadie
It does what it does that makes sense.
0:27:51.110 --> 0:27:51.480
Lim Zhao Siang
But.
0:27:51.490 --> 0:27:58.350
Lim Zhao Siang
But let's say if today right cloud OPS try to provision a tenant for art.
0:27:59.20 --> 0:27:59.240
Duraid Wadie
Umm.
0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:6.740
Lim Zhao Siang
If they are calling the same API, then the rest of the year, when you know when they provisioning for other products right?
0:28:6.750 --> 0:28:14.470
Lim Zhao Siang
How do we differentiate you know the the the API calls that they are creating is for ARC?
0:28:14.710 --> 0:28:16.540
Lim Zhao Siang
Because if we don't differentiate this.
0:28:15.820 --> 0:28:16.570
Duraid Wadie
We don't.
0:28:16.580 --> 0:28:16.910
Duraid Wadie
Yeah.
0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:17.270
Duraid Wadie
Yeah.
0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:30.220
Duraid Wadie
So what happens is when we configure a product, so first thing is what you need to do with with idea Agent home right before you do a tenant you have to configure a product and a product version.
0:28:31.500 --> 0:28:31.780
Lim Zhao Siang
Hmm.
0:28:31.660 --> 0:28:35.910
Duraid Wadie
That's what you need to do before even you configure a tenant and product instance.
0:28:36.130 --> 0:28:36.810
Lim Zhao Siang
Correct, correct.
0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:41.870
Duraid Wadie
So you need to configure a product and a product version at the product level.
0:28:42.100 --> 0:28:46.150
Duraid Wadie
You know when you configure a product which is you gonna do it once for ARC forever?
0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:51.790
Duraid Wadie
There's just one time you're going to have that flag and that that product level configuration.
0:28:53.750 --> 0:28:57.980
Lim Zhao Siang
See so that flag will be will happens in IHOME instead.
0:28:58.510 --> 0:28:59.80
Duraid Wadie
That's right.
0:28:58.390 --> 0:28:59.240
Lim Zhao Siang
Is that what I understand?
0:28:59.90 --> 0:29:0.470
Duraid Wadie
And the platform services here.
0:28:59.930 --> 0:29:1.140
Lim Zhao Siang
I see.
0:29:1.210 --> 0:29:1.760
Lim Zhao Siang
I see.
0:29:1.770 --> 0:29:2.240
Lim Zhao Siang
I see.
0:29:2.250 --> 0:29:4.240
Lim Zhao Siang
OK, so so when?
0:29:3.40 --> 0:29:12.350
Duraid Wadie
So then the licensing services would read that and it knows ohk OK is it is is the configuration based for all the product instances for that product?
0:29:12.500 --> 0:29:15.330
Duraid Wadie
If that's that's true, then that's it.
0:29:15.340 --> 0:29:19.190
Duraid Wadie
That's API uses that flight to do all of that work by default.
0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:20.730
Duraid Wadie
You switch on for arc.
0:29:20.780 --> 0:29:21.510
Duraid Wadie
It's that simple.
0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.850
Duraid Wadie
So no, nobody need to configure anything.
0:29:23.860 --> 0:29:28.590
Duraid Wadie
So by default, when we're gonna switch on the configuration, it will be on.
0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:29.810
Duraid Wadie
I just need to jump.
0:29:29.820 --> 0:29:31.670
Duraid Wadie
Really sorry to other meeting if you don't mind.
0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:40.360
Duraid Wadie
We can, I think if you can just for a meeting for myself, Jasmine and Eric and I can explain it a bit more detail.
0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:43.980
Lim Zhao Siang
Sure, sure. Sure.
0:29:45.0 --> 0:29:45.420
Duraid Wadie
Thank you.
0:29:44.380 --> 0:29:46.570
Lim Zhao Siang
I think Keith just left as you alright.
0:29:46.580 --> 0:29:46.910
Lim Zhao Siang
Thank you.
0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:47.170
Lim Zhao Siang
Thanks.
0:29:47.180 --> 0:29:47.720
Lim Zhao Siang
Thanks a lot.
0:29:47.870 --> 0:29:48.220
Lim Zhao Siang
Thank you.
0:29:48.150 --> 0:29:48.580
Duraid Wadie
Thank you.
0:29:48.590 --> 0:29:49.0
Duraid Wadie
Thank you.
0:29:49.10 --> 0:29:49.180
Duraid Wadie
Bye bye.


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