you're not familiar with him he's an artist illustrator and teacher based out of Southern California he's known for doing these epic ink illustrations from
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imagination in the podcast we talk about what it means to be an artist and the importance of finding your own voice thanks and enjoy the episode point of
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this is not to talk about like how to become an artist or like how to get a job or any of that kind of stuff it's
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more about the why doing it because I think the harder thing about art in general is not the like you know how do
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you draw a person or how do you draw on perspective or anything I think it's like how do you make this sustainable for like 50 years because often I I was
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talking to Bryce about this like um art in a lot of ways is a really bad decision because it's more efficient
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from a money perspective to just be a lawyer or a doctor or something would um so you have to find some other reason
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other than the money I 100% agree about you know that uh observation of trying
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to pursue something as difficult as this is and there are things out there I would say skillbase wise that are you
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know equally as challenging to build at a professional level but um yeah this is not an easy task of
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trying to make this a viable source of something that you do that can support your daily living but also um you know
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longevity yeah absolutely how do we we sustain this is as you're saying for the rest of our lives yeah uh and I think
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the the initial um mindset for young people that come in is of course they they see the immediate gain possibly or
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even you know the things that are potentially there as validation of let's say like the celebritization a little
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bit in a way you get popular you know that kind of stuff is attractive in any sort of thing that we pursue absolutely so that's going to be
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one of the initial Sparks I think that kind of gets people in there but then they realize oh my God it's hard this is not even just hard this is like
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uh there's so many ways to apply it yeah there's so many options and choices and Pathways you can go down to so then
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there's this fear of risk like you know what do I even choose and then there's like the right choice or the wrong choice and they's trying to find ways of
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navigating all these Waters about how do I absorb that information and what do I go from there uh so there's there's a
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lot of overwhelming you know aspects to it not just from like how do I sustain this but in terms of bringing it back I
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think a lot of it is is very much many variables it's not one single thing of course it's obvious uh and I think it does start from the
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basics of just the environment yeah starts there you know who you're you're surrounded by it comes from family to
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friends and as you grow older the peers and co-workers and Beyond yeah um so for me it was it was set very early now I
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don't think that's going to be the only way that you're going to be able to sustain this as something that is beyond
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than just work it can very much happen in later stages of life as well too but that has to be found what do that me may
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be uh and we can call it passion and we can call it love something and and however want to define it it but that's
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pretty much I think we all can come to a conclusion that's necessary uh that we need to have this driving passion to
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pursue this where it's now Beyond just some kind of financial income absolutely which seems to be the basis of what you
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want to talk about AB podcast well I mean I think in general one of the biggest drivers when someone's growing
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up is like are you going to be able to survive and make money from this you know abut especially from prep parents and I guess like society as a whole like
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you have to get a job you have to get a degree and I think until we're like 18 or 19 I don't think realistically we
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make any real decisions for ourselves you know like you take these classes you do all these things I understand why but
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I think for artists and for people that want to be creative we really start to come into our own in terms of making our
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own thoughts and decisions in our like 20s our mid 20s and stuff I think in terms of having a defined career path
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where you can see the balance of how it could be something that you can use as a way to live through the rest of your life but also is in conjunction with
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your personal interest the things that drive you yeah but you know and and not necessary to disagree with that what you
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said but for me personally uh even when I was very young you know no one
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instilled or asked me to or encourag the the need to want to do it at every
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moment yeah from the age of five you know I would sit there and draw non-stop
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yeah and yes there was encouragement yes there was validation hey that's great stuff keep going that kind of thing and it makes me feel good but beyond that no
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one's not telling me like hey you should draw like this and this is why we do it and this is you got to do this kind of love no one ever said this kind of stuff
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yeah but I did truly enjoy it and love it so where did that peak of Interest come from I mean I think it sometimes
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it's wired into our brains in a certain way of how we absorb information or experience life um but for me it just
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clicked automatically and I was able to just sit there without any degree of strain or tug-of-war or wrestling with
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this sort of materials or this or this what can I do with as a kid I just sat there and Drew cuz to me the action of
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that was no different than playing with like toys yeah or playing with friends outside right the action of it was similar in the sense that it was just
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truly enjoy I can lose myself into it absolutely so um I think you know as kids we all have that side of the
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creativity of Mind of being able to play with imaginations to some levels and we use many different things of let's say like we play with friends or we go
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outside like I just said but for me I can use all those and drawing and use it all together so it all felt very similar
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of enjoyment and so I could lose myself said well and the joy comes from it I I think that Joy can only really happen
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when you start out without many uh it like with with without any external factors you know I think like especially
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I hear this from students like I hear people talking about how do I find my style how do I you know draw the specific thing and all that kind of
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stuff but th I think those questions are almost looking at it from a perspective like oh how can I make something that
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other people are like versus focusing on what you like internally first you know exactly so yeah definitely that's how it
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started initially which then germinated yes the decisions in my 20s was about of course a career path but the parents
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weren't necessarily putting pressure on like you got to find a job and you got to make money kind of thing they let me do the things I wanted to do based on
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the play aspect of it right and I think play was a huge part of the learning uh that came into this which I was able to
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thankfully formulate into something that could be used towards some sort of let's say application in jobs or work or money
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whatever that is um so until to this day I mean I I look at the stuff that I do in a similar fashion I mean I'll produce
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you know content going social media make classes and make books and whatnot but all that still is extremely enjoyable to
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me and I don't see first as a money game thing it just happens to be the byproduct of it yeah well I was talking to Bryce about and across the board
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everyone I've talked to yeah yeah well and it's like there's like the brain side there's like the money side and the
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business side and then the art side and they're two completely different brains you know and some can relate those things better than others of course and
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and some can actually flip-flop yeah they can they can prioritize one as the other compared to when you know how to
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use those things yeah absolutely well and it's like it you know I think making
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art per like a career has a like a lot of the work in doing that is actually not drawing it's like thinking of how to
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Market yourself how to make you know how to make money and all that kind of stuff how to make it sustainable yeah for myself it's definitely it's uh one can't
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live without the other so for myself I have to draw because through drawing I'm able to produce whatever it may be I can
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then find a way to adapt that into a piece of medium I want to produce from there yeah whether it's a comic or a book or video or whatever the case is U
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so I can sit and think about what I want to make but me actively doing something actually lends more success within that
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yeah absolutely well and I guess that Focus just comes from like the you know it stems from the natural play side of it sure and I guess that that confidence
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to be able to execute things comes from just years and years of experience you know yeah but it's also allowing
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yourself to right you can have the confidence and all that sort of stuff but sometimes if there are other things that are hindering you know our thoughts
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of again whether it's the risk thing or whatever the case is yeah you got have confidence in your skill but there's no
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guarantee that it's going to go anywhere yeah yeah absolutely and and so you know allowing yourself to at least try and
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play with that stuff is is really hard because you always feel guilty yeah a lot of times and that wording of guilt and the discussion of that I had a lot
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with my students about you know we talk about play but play in terms of what we're trying to do professionally
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doesn't always gel well together yeah yeah AB don't put them together positively so play is more of a child
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thing you put that kind of stuff away and you do your adult stuff right um but play is is a part of like learning in
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nature as well Lions learn to hunt through play so it's a serious thing as
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play so yeah well I don't know I think a big part of the stuff is mindfulness and and I guess and I would say um trying to
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give yourself as much permission as you possibly can you know yeah for sure because I think in general people have a
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tendency to not believe in their own ideas and not to let themselves play in a way that I think is somewhat
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self-destructive to their own like creative practice for sure and most times if not it's it's because it is
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self-destructed they they usually have all the potential there's a potential your ideas and you have a skill set but
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it never then comes to fruition because they're the one that kills it yeah yeah um and I've seen that happen so often
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through my own close immediate circle to then the students that I've been taught globally uh and of course just observing
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it just from the outside in from looking at social media and whatnot and all the questions and and uncertainty uh and not
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having to want to try um absolutely and not to say that I didn't have that when I was younger and it did take as you're
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saying time to be able to come to that level of confidence to at least put myself out there yeah so yeah well and I
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I still think there are probably moments in your life where you might have some doubt you I can't draw anym all that it's human
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and those doubts definitely are there in specific some for not that maybe some people wouldn't be able to relate to the
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simpleness of like I can't draw today that never comes in mind yeah you know I never had that thought or moment ever I
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mean I want to draw non-stop yeah you know like right now right before we started this I mean I was outside and telling you watching Birds I was
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watching this hawk flying around doing this dive action like I want to draw that it's in my brain see into it so as
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I'm talking to you my brain is already still attached to that thing this is how kind of my bra bra tends to work is I
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find all these visual cues right and it just wants to absorb it and I have to express it right so there's never this
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there's never a moment in which I want to be able to put it onto the page um so that part again that is unrelatable to
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some people because they need a lot of ramp up I need a moment to warm up or I need a moment to get ready mentally and
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I turn myself on and that can start drawing because for them it's a it's a very um labor intensive process mentally
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and physically well for for a lot of people I think the I'm not saying external motivation is bad
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think inherently people want approval and they want followers just human that is um but I think it's harder for
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students to get into that playful mindset because they might be focused they haven't had the experience with getting a lot of approval and realizing
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how much it really doesn't make a difference you know and I agree with you because I had a lot of that yeah you know so I'm sure that's hu huge factor
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in which I'm able to speak in the way I'm speaking now and do the things I'm doing now because I definitely had those Elements which is why I find it so
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fortunate looking back and what I've experienced and having Tau for so many years and having so many people around me who have not had that yeah uh and and
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it's unfortunate and I then try to fulfill somewhat of that need to a Biddle bit for some people whatever way
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I can whether it's just as an example of a lifestyle or just actually connecting to people through classes right that could be that moment and and uh I I mean
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I had a student the other day I'm meeting with my mentorship and he's you know trying to find work working in animation that kind of stuff he's a
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professional but he can't really find a lot of stuff but he's looking for a different life alternative and making this thing that he's going to do for the
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passionate it right he said he did a quick little mentorship with a young you know um high school that wants to do art
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and the parents hired him just to like show her some stuff and and as she picked it up he was like it was a really rewarding feeling and it made him really
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invested into the idea of sharing and being able to grow like that but for her it was like this moment of like I guess
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a spark or something like that and he she expressed it he was like this is pivoting moment so stuff like that was
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always really great to hear yeah well and I I think with all this stuff like I think we have no idea what the outcome
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is going to be when we start yeah I I suspected like I I mean I suspect when you started you might have wanted to be something else than what you are now you
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know no well I guess in in a lot of cases you know a lot of cases but but I will say within the field of art it did
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shift yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly it shifted it's not like I said I want to be a concept artist from the very beginning of age of five of course not
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it shifted around I wanted to be a paleontologist and drawing dinosaurs to a comic artist and then working in you
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know game and stuff like that so of course it does shift around yeah well I think a big part of success in general
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and I think success is extremely like it's objective but like it's it's how you see your own uh path and successes
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and failures like for proo for Stan he wanted to be a Disney animator right and he was rejected from Cal ards with
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because he went to watts and he you know submitted a portfolio with watts and from one perspective he's a failed
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Disney animator from another he's a successful YouTuber know and it's like from you both are valid perspectives oh
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for sure and but if if you know if somebody were to look at that initial failure failure being rejected from this
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thing that they really want to do as the end of the line then that's the end of the line you know exactly and I think in
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a lot of ways like uh you're you're no longer an artist or a creative person when you just say you aren't you know
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it's almost like a decision you have to make for yourself yeah and and it's also rough to watch and happen in the midst of it yeah when someone's going through
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that process where they've gotten to those points where their skills actually have so much great uh potential and
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application and use but then they go through this mental period where they don't see themselves successfully pursuing it and they give it up and do
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something else and I've seen that happen you know from from people to people uh it's it's very interesting psychologically but also even later
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stages in life like working in the studios of Industry I'm not saying the people that I observe were actually going to the phase of losing that
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passion but you can definitely see that they were St getting to the mindset of being comfortable settled and they're
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not willing or interested even in growing and pursuing their their passions anymore it's just a job now and
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they just come in dayto day to their work and I see them it's just a blank face the level of enjoyment seems to have been dropped down quite a bit for
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and I see I don't want that you know yeah yeah well and I think again I think it takes mindfulness and practice to and
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I think like I kind of realized this a while ago the act of being an artist and valuing art it takes a lot of work you
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know to go to a museum and to Value like a John Singer surgeon painting for sure you need the context and you need something there other than just the you
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know you have to work for it yeah you do and at some point in life there has to be a moment where your mind starts to
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get not only aware of it but you start to become more actively pursuing it like when I was younger in my my early 20s
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teens you know coming to the art center you know was I going outside and pursuing things like observational drawing going to the zoo museums no yeah
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you know we we did still life drawing we did figure models in art center that was the extent of how much I was actually
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absorbing some stuff I was seeing and interacting with yeah it wasn't until after my 20s and going to different sort of class experiences that introduced me
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to that those moments and oh that's cool I can go out and see this stuff and draw that made me more interested in those things which and then read about and
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research and talk to people about that stuff and today now in my 40s after 20 years you know that that level of
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Interest has only grown exponentially so then now I travel the world and I want to see places like in in Kenya and I want to go to Yellowstone see that stuff
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up there as well too like the Bears and like you know the bison and stuff like that it's like you know I love that kind
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of stuff being outside and seeing the real world but was that there in my teens and 20s no well the crazy thing
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about this to me is that like all that stuff is always there like it literally but it's it's our ability to see it you
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know and I think uh that that's always the case it's like it's what you know and what you're almost like willing to
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let yourself see and this is why of course it's so important to have the right individuals as instructors or peers and education that helps you open
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the eyes to that uh they can't necessarily hold your hand and take you there but they can show you examples or give you guidelines and advice towards
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you pursuing it and then finding it yeah but there has to be self-discovery absolutely yeah well I I think a perfect
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art education is like a combination of having mentors and teachers to tell you like show you the ropes and then a lot
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of just self exploration a huge amount of it and I think that's the problem when you have education today where it
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seems like you're looking for the perfect package of information just hand it to you like you just do this and this
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and this and you'll be guaranteed this result it's like well not really this is
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where that that uniqueness needs to come in through your own life living Pursuit absolutely I had a little bit of an experience like that when I was younger
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where you know I I worked for proo for a while I I made a point because I thought that's what you had to do to become a good artist is surround yourself with
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like the best teachers and I found like being around proo and Marshall and like Amed and all these these people it
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didn't make me more inspired to create I think in some ways it was discouraging because it's too much to live up to
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sometimes you know and I think often people are like the moment to moment of just sketching in a coffee shop right in
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a lot of ways is more valuable than yeah you know uh having like a a huge
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Workshop or mentorship or something no in parallel to that that's what I recommend the students is that if you let's say went to a convention or
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conference let's say like life box or Comic Con in San Diego the people that you see at the table who like 20 30
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years Advanced experience in you is not really the real contact or the inspiration you look at it's take people that's right next to you that are
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growing with you because then you can see what choices are they making what mistakes do they make what Su successes do they have and then from there you're
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able to kind of imprint off of it or parallel with it and have also then your own voice from there too but you can always go back and forth and share ideas
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and kind of work on each other's stuff if you can in Partnerships which I've had yeah in my times you know close
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friends and peers that I would share people you know work with and we would grow together and that was really the
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the real Network and connection that need to have we had our instructors and they were inspirational they're great to watch and it was awesome to see but I
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would agree with you being surrounded by that only right yeah yeah yeah I would say that that it's like it's all
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substance or it's it's very flat you know it's very shallow in terms of the experience it's so one-sided it's a
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skewed perspective way so I I agree with that you know in terms of approach and education for sure well I an analogy
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I've been using lately for something like art school like Watts or Art Center any of that kind of stuff is like I think the same part of our brain that
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drives people to like go to Mecca you know make a pilgrimage from around the world to go to Mecca is the same one
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that drives people to go to a fancy art school like they'll travel around the world spend a lot of money and do all
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this stuff to to train with the profits of art or you know you know what really is that is it just because it's the
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education is it the the masses of people that are congregating into that basement what is it attracting those amount of
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people most likely I especially with place like art center is just a history reputation but you know I think for us we have to
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be very aware and open to being able to adapt and adjust and understand that sometimes the is not only just one place
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but we can find them in many different sort of scenarios and not just in one location kind of thing absolutely yeah
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well and and you know like the idea of I think again uh somebody could make a very like great education for themselves
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in like their small town in Iowa or something if if they have the right amount of vision for it you know sure ab
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and if they're willing to take the right risks and stuff right right and and it is hard because that back down to the risk taking too like what where do I put
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those risks and how do I really challenge myself and you know that that whole can be a discussion for hours on
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it yeah about you know personal education about how to independently really control what kind of classes you
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take and where you go from there but that's a tough one for sure so yeah well it's different from person to person and
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I think that um in general like for anyone listening there is no single creative Guru or anything that no it
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it's just like small directional changes on your path that end up leading you to yeah but that's the human side is that
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we we tend to find individuals and we see them as being this huge entity and an attraction and we put them on that
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pedestal and you look at them rever them and it's hard to break away from that Vision sometimes because because it is a very powerful thing for sure well I I
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think part of where that comes from is again like from a very young age we're taught to solve other people's problems
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like algebra yeah again I think it's I understand why but uh like you're solving other people's problems so when
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you meet somebody who seems to exist outside of that system that has a strong sense of self identity I think it's a
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pretty intoxicating thing for somebody very attractive yeah somebody exudes that kind of confidence in KN how Beyond
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level of what seems to be normal also too it seems more than human sometimes too yeah yeah it's very attractive
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because it's sometimes so unique and and some of them they are that individual they are that unique and so uh you want
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to be able to parallel that and reflect off of it and be that thing or even have some sort of that magic come into you
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and maybe be a part of it of that success yeah uh because there's so much of unsur and not knowing what's going to happen so you want some form of
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guarantee and they seem to have it so I gotta get some of that you know absolutely well and I think part of and it comes back to the why like you I
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think that confidence comes from like I'm like I don't think I could pay you to stop drawing like like a question I
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ask everybody is like would you be doing exactly the same thing you're doing right now if you had a billion dollars I think if you had a billion dollars you'd
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like go to the Arctic and draw penguins you know you'd go to Mars or something you know I'm sure every artist is said
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yes they would yeah yeah so absolutely and it it's like the you know there's no amount of money that would also just
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like you can no longer draw you yeah yeah and that's that deeper side of that that philosophy that who are you what
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makes you you and for me that is what defines me it is who I am it's not some extra outside thing that I train myself
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to do as a skill but it is again a representation of me yeah absolutely and
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how I live and how I feel and how I think and how I interact and all those things so yeah it's ingrained into who you are exactly yeah it's into the
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fabric of it which is why again from Death till you know birth to whatever areas and moments and aspects that
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happen in life all that stuff it's not going to stop me from it um yeah so I talk to students and and I asked that
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even that question even if they're at point of transition of being a student to professional even when they're very young I asked like questions of like
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even if you weren't getting good education or if you weren't successful would you still keep drawing yeah of course they sell yes as well too you
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know and they're still in that mode of trying to even be a professional right so even just being a student they say yes yeah well and I I mean I I think
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something with like AI on the horizon which is a very scary conversation for a lot of people for some yeah yeah for sure um I I think it's one of those
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things to that uh I I I don't think it's going to really affect a lot of things fundamentally but I think for uh like
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newer students it's scary of course and I think people with a like hyper awareness of their why are going to be
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able to sustain through that a lot easier yeah it kills um momentum energy
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because you feel defeated you know by it and you don't see some sort of Silver Lining you don't see any sort of uh
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potential positive outcome of it so all you see is just the terror of what could potentially happen you know and I get
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that and it's the valid you know feeling of that what's happening what's going on currently with the whole AI stuff and
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and I I agree to somewhat of that fear especially if you are younger because you don't know what's going to happen
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with this stuff technology wise none of us can predict it and some of the more experienced people could be like well it's like back then when we had
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Photoshop coming in everybody Drew on paper it's like Photoshop going to ruin it but now it's standard kind of issue same that happened when it came to
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things like Photo bashing or but then that's it's not the same yeah it's different it's always going to be
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different and yes people will adapt you shouldn't be forced to adapt but people will have to no matter what but at the
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same time the valid feeling of that well we need to consider how this is being used and and the awareness of it all
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that kind of stuff and the conversation is important but when people are yelling you know of course that makes it really difficult yeah but I I get the fear of
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it for myself not really there yeah um yeah for students yeah students for for young people all that kind stuff
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absolutely yeah well and I think it comes down to just having a really solid sense of self and like having high
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self-esteem and stuff and having a clear version of like what your art is going to be in general and a lot of it is also
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finding like-minded people having a good Community friends peers teachers all that kind of stuff that support the same
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directions of the things of interest you have yeah and that stuff will be there it might get stronger and more prominent
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but at the same time having the dedicated individuals that you find enjoyment in pursuing what you do for
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art and storytelling and design yeah that as fundamentally will remain true yeah yeah absolutely well I think in
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terms of just in terms of like trying to bolster that feeling of I guess self I think that comes from just again like
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puttering around and I I also think like giving yourself time to travel and spend time with friends and family and loved
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ones and stuff huge amounts and I think that's the other part where it makes makes it difficult for the younger people coming through not even younger
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more just the fact that people that are trying to break into the industry whether they're younger or older you know uh it's just that they don't allow
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themselves a time as you're saying to slow down and really feel it out because they're try to move so quickly because the feeling of what it's too late what
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I'm too if I'm too late because I'm too old or I'm too late because they're growing faster than me because they're smarter or something like that but
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that's that that illusion you put into yourself and it makes you want to rush faster and then all of a sudden you're skipping things you absolutely and so
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then yeah the outcome of that usually has a lower percentage of success at that point yeah but it's hard to predict
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and I would say that that's that's probably the most common those are the most common thoughts holding people back and yeah that's actually the biggest
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thing holding people back in general is those thoughts is that like those doubts and those like oh I can't do this I'm not good enough yeah yeah you know I've
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had those moments you know uh uh I'm not impervious to it and I've had those moments of times of where I was trying
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to shift from one mode to the other for instance like coming out of school going into the professional field there was
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that span of a year just like I have no idea what's happening I have no idea what I'm doing I don't know if I'm to go make it right and that super deep fear
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of like the end of the world yeah is what it feels like you know and you know it's not really the end of the world but you have all this pressure and burdens
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like the family and the money you have to pay this loan all of a sudden six months to start I get going you want start F if I don't
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now it's too late I'm not going to be a to do it so that was very much there at the time absolutely well I was talking
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to Bryce about this but like the same uh parts of your brain that tell you A cheetah is gonna eat you it's the same part of your brain it's like you to pay
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your bills it is useful it can be useful if you know how to actually use it to your benefit it can be a very positive
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thing yeah so I certainly don't want to uh erase or delete any form of this sense of Ury urgency or fear even a
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little bit to some degree I actually know how to use it in a more positive way I actually enjoy those feelings now because I know how to to funnel that
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energy into something um whether we label as constructive or not but it's still there it still feels like that but
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I now recognize it I know when it comes up and I know how to you know kind of filter it in a way uh but when you're
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younger or or inexperienced to some degree it's like it's just chaos you know that emotion is so high it's it's
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overwhelming yeah I I would say I would say that that's actually a fundamental part about being a person is those emotions fears try those like I think in
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in like a metaphorical sense it's like the the Shadow or the dark side and like aruan like Carl philosophy or something
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you know for myself a lot of that goes into the personal life you know but within the world of Art and Design what's what's funny is that I'm kind of
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the opposite I'm not a very high emotion Basin it's so logical formulaic in some ways I'm trying to infuse more emotion
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yeah if anything else U so it's kind of the flip flop on that for me yeah yeah well I think everybody is really
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fundamentally different I think part of the we weird part about all this stuff is people can tell you like they can
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guide you along a path on how to solve problems but ultimately like the previous generation couldn't have guessed what the power of Instagram was
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going to be oh you know for sure and I'm sure for a lot of people social media was as scary as AI is to a lot of
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students you know or even attractive yeah because that's the thing about this whole AI thing is that there are people
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that are also foreign to our understandings of things and to them they see this thing as oh that's going
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to help me yeah that's going to be the answer right there so and that's the Dilemma of what's going on currently is
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that not everyone's thinking the same thing everybody not everybody comes in the same educational world and some people just don't know the ideas of
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ownership and stuff exactly they they just see it as a tool don't use it as a tool so then opinions start germinating
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from the use and application of it uh and so yeah that's hard especially because of the fact that we want
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everyone to think the same way and feel the same way we are because we understand you know and you don't kind of thing and it's the vice versa goes
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back into that it's a tough one well I'm sure I'm sure you've noticed this just by traveling a bunch you start to see how big the world really is and how many
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different perspectives there are you know and small both right big and small because as I traveled the world I've
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also found that we all want the same thing yeah we all feel the same way we have the same kind of burdens and
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Terrors and traumas and stuff that we go through in education or through our own growth and maturity uh as we become
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younger and even older we have the same kind of modes uh and so that it made me feel even closer yeah yeah empathy for
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people especially as an educator you know because you know coming from education in the world that I know especially here in the US colleges and
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stuff like that it's very much like you know this this and this and this 20 years ago today it's the different but as I traveled also too A lot of those
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kind of same mode of educations are still instilled that same kind of way people go through the same levels of
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experience and the same kind of like problem of trying to find ways to make it and the question of why yeah why are
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we doing this yeah well I feel like again I feel like in some ways that's like the fundamental human urge to figure out whatever that thing is and it
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was happening 5,000 years ago and 10 million years ago and it's going to happen tomorrow too know exactly exactly
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um yeah those kind of thoughts and and looking into especially humans in how
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they are where they come from and where they'll go and what we are today it's super fascinating for sure it's it's
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really strange and and just seeing how like like Facebook became so successful because it's just a h like human desire
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to communicate with other people you know that's fundamentally what all it is you know same with Instagram and all that stuff you know and it goes back
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again to what we're talking about technology wise and we can have as many um you know kind of like arguments of
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why we should not have this sort of thing coming into our world but at the same time the very basic human kind of
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level when someone does see that that side of it was I just want to create I just want to do something and they have
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those opportuni tools if it's a it's a mode to be able to at least act on that visually um I think you can't help stop
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but feel that way and want to do it you know um yeah yeah it's crazy yeah well you know I've had a similar
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experience like I've been to Most states and it's like you know I see people worrying about their boyfriends and girlfriends and their jobs and how much
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money am I making and it's like that's 100% a universal problem oh for sure absolutely yeah I was watching um you
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ever see quest of fire yeah everything quest of fire it came out 19 I want to say like 77 and I think it might have
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been on TV it was a movie for format and Ron pran's in it he play boy a couple
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other familiar actors as well too but it's about Caven yeah and how they fire and they had their fire Che it
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out and uh you know they they revered it and that was their tool and that's how they survived and that kind of stuff and
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they got attacked by this other Bandit groups I think the Neanderthals in that group and they but they had this enclosure where they kept their spark of
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fire in there and it went out and so these little tribal band three guys go out there looking for their fire again
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and then he learns about how to make fire that kind of stuff is really fascinating stuff it's actually really well done from the kind of film it is uh
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I would definitely say yeah yeah yeah for sure check it out Co yeah um yeah I
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mean with all this stuff it's it's strange like I I was watching some of get back the Beatles documentary thing
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and it's like uh when he's when Paul McCartney is starting to play you like he's he's trying he's formulating get
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back on guitar and he's just mumbling and you know things like it's like he's going down certain paths and going coming back and going down another path
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and stuff and it just like this like iconic song is coming out of thin a essentially you know and I think um
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something like that is informed by like his permission from his bandmates to go and actually puts around in that way and
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not being be embarrassed and his his actual experience and all that kind of stuff and then it goes and becomes one of the most iconic songs ever made you
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know and how do you plan for something like that right I I don't think you can really as artist yeah you look at that stuff it's like will I ever create at

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