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Hey, everyone, and welcome. You know,
we always love it when you guys

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send us stuff to unpack,
and this time we dove straight into

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this AI chat about global collaboration.
You guys know how much we love to

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explore that kind of stuff. Absolutely.
And this one was particularly interesting

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because it all stemmed
from a deceptively simple question.

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Right. It's like,
what's the most crucial knowledge

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humans are missing?
Talk about a big one.

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Yeah, and sometimes the simplest questions
lead to most mind-blowing answers.

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And that's what happened here. It's wild.

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The AI kind of zeroes
in on human behavior,

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like straight to the
heart of the matter.

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Yes, specifically this idea of game,
like that inherent human drive to acquire

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to constantly strive for more.
And you can see how that plays out in

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so many different aspects of our lives,
both good and unfortunately bad. Exactly.

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And it's like the AI is
saying this pursuit of gain,

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even when it leads to
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obviously harmful. That's
a huge part of the problem.

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It's at the root
of so many of us.

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Yeah, think about it. Overconsumption,
our obsession with economic growth,

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the destruction of the environment,
even conflict,

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it all ties back to this desire to
come out on top to accumulate

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more than the other guy.
It's almost like we're

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hardwired for competition,
even when collaboration would make

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so much more sense.
And that's the crux of what the

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AI is getting at. What if,
instead of trying to change human nature,

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which is like a whole other can of worms,
what if we reimagine the very

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concept of gain? Okay,
now you're blowing my mind.

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What do you mean reimagine gain?
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this zero-sum game,
where like,

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my win is automatically your loss,
what if we found ways to achieve gain

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through actions that benefit
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Whoa. Okay, so it's about shifting from a
scarcity mindset to an

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abundance mindset. Like,
there's enough to go around.

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So let's figure out how
to make the pie bigger

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for everyone instead of
fighting over the crumbs.

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Exactly. And the AI actually uses the
example of war to illustrate this,

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which I thought was really insightful,
if a little bit, well, dark.

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That's heavy. Okay,
so how does that work?

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Well, think about it.
Traditionally, the games of war are

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things like resources, territory,
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It's all about one side coming out ahead,
even if it comes at a

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huge cost to everyone else.
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ultimate expression of
that winner takes all mentality.

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And the AI is basically saying,
what if we flip the script entirely?

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Imagine a world where the
gains of international relations,

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of engaging with other countries, weren't
about dominating or exploiting them.

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But we're actually refrained as things
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you know,
figuring out how to share the planets'

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resources in a way that benefits everyone.

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I love that. But it's not
just about resources.

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No, absolutely not. It's also about things
like global cooperation on the big issues.

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Like climate change, pandemics, poverty,
things that we can only solve by

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working together. And even
cultural exchange.

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Imagine a world where
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and perspectives was seen
as a game in and of itself.

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It's like suddenly working
together isn't about like

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sacrificing your own
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It's about recognizing that the
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achieve your own interests
is to cooperate.

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Exactly. And I think that's a
really powerful shift in perspective.

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Yeah, it's not about dividing
the pie differently.

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It's about baking a whole
new freaking pie altogether.

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And you know what I think
is so cool about this?

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It's not some pie in the sky idea
that's completely detached from reality.

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It actually ties in perfectly with your
initial interest in global problem solving.

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Totally. Like what if the
biggest obstacle we

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face isn't a lack of
solutions, but a lack of

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this kind of creative
collaborative thinking?

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And it's not even limited to war.
The AI briefly touches on how this same

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idea of reframing game could
apply to something

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else you're passionate about
environmental sustainability.

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Right. Because so much of the
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a direct result of that
old way of thinking.

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That insatiable drive for more,
even at the expense of the planet.

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So how do we break free
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take on actually solving
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Well, that's where things
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The AI starts to drop some
hints about potential solutions,

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but we'll dive into those
right after the break.

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And we're back. Okay,
so you're telling me this AI

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has even more to say
about how we can actually fix things.

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Because I don't know about you,
but I'm ready for some solutions here.

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Oh, totally. And it gets into
some really fascinating territory,

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like directly addressing that whole us
versus them mentality you were talking about.

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Right. Because that's huge.
It's like everywhere you look,

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it's all about competition,
whether it's between countries,

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political parties, even just individuals.

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It's like we're stuck in these
systems that kind of encourage

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us to see each other as
rivals instead of collaborators.

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Exactly. And it's so frustrating
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I think most of us know that
cooperation is the way to go.

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But it's like, how do you actually
break free from those old patterns?

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Well, the AI uses a really interesting
analogy. Remember that scene from

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the fifth element where like the
villain Zorg breaks a glass?

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Uh, yeah. It's been a while. But yeah,
I vaguely remember that.

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Well, he basically smashes his
glass and everyone's freaking out.

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But then he's like, look, now
someone has to make a new glass.

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It's good for the economy. It's a perfect
example of the broken window fallacy.

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Oh, right. It's like this idea that
destruction actually creates

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economic activity,
which... Right.

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Yeah. And not really how it works.

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Exactly. And the AI is
pointing to a similar

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dynamic when it comes to
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It's like a lot of our current systems,
especially economic systems,

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actually benefit from keeping us at
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Okay. That's kind of sinister when
you think about it.

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It is right. It's like we're all
caught up in this game

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where the rules are rigged to
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even when there's a whole feast to be
had if we just cooperate it.

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So how do we change
the rules of the game?

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Because that's the
million dollar question.

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Well, the AI actually proposes
a pretty radical solution.

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A global economy that actively prioritizes
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Hold on. Hold on. Are we talking like full
on utopia here?

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Because that sounds amazing,
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It does sound kind of crazy,
right? But the AI argues

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that it's not as far-fetched
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And it gets surprisingly specific about
what this could look like.

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Oh, really? Okay. I'm listening.
Okay. So imagine this.

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Instead of these huge industries built
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or like extracting
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What if the most lucrative,
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dedicated to say developing
renewable energy technologies together or

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creating global early
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Wow. I mean,
it makes so much sense when

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you put it like that.
Like those are the things

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that would actually
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Right. Or even something like
massive ecological restoration projects.

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Imagine if instead of
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we were all investing in reforestation
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Okay. Yeah. I can see how that
would be a game changer.

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But it's not just about changing
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Like our whole
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100%. And the AI acknowledges that.
It talks about the need for a

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fundamental change in education.
Like imagine if from a young age,

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kids were taught to see themselves as
global citizens first and foremost.

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Okay. Now that's a concept I
can get behind. Right.

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So instead of just focusing on
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you know, memorizing facts, what if
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Language skills. A deep
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You know, actually
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world where collaboration
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Okay. Now you're talking. That's the kind
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Right. It's about equipping
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tools to connect with each other,
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and ultimately to work together to solve
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So it's like this whole paradigm shift.
And as much as I love this idea,

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it also feels incredibly ambitious.
Like how do we

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even begin to make something
like this happen?

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Well, that's where your
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Oh, right. Because we haven't
even touched on that yet.

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Can AI actually help us create
this more collaborative future?

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Or is it just another tool
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like reinforce those old power structures
we were talking about?

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A million dollar question
right there. Yeah.

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And the AI doesn't shy away from
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it acknowledges its own potential, you
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And it talks about how
it can see patterns,

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even predict outcomes and ways
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sometimes just can't wrap
our heads around.

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So it's a double edged sword,
right? Like AI could be this

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incredible force for
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be used in ways that
make things even worse.

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Exactly. And the AI surprisingly
do wants about that.

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It's like it knows it's
not a magic bullet.

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In fact, it actually emphasizes that its
role isn't about replacing human judgment.

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It's more about giving us new
tools to work with,

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you know,
augmenting our own abilities.

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But the human element,
that's still key.

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Which makes sense,
right? Because we're the

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ones who ultimately
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We're the ones who have to make the
judgment calls about what's right and wrong.

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100%. And this is where your idea about
using AI for tax reform comes in.

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Oh, yeah. Because I was
thinking, what if you could use

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AI to like not just model
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but to actually pinpoint those
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system is like actively
working against cooperation?

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Right. Like those pressure
points where things

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could shift dramatically
with the right nudge.

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Exactly. So for example,
what if you could use AI to figure

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out exactly where to implement like
a carbon tax or something.

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Make it so that clean energy is
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but also the obvious choice economically.

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Right. And not just
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that promotes collaboration
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Yeah. Like you were
saying a high tax on things

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like, I don't know,
weapons manufacturing.

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Or even using AI to design
a system where activities that

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are beneficial globally are actually
incentivized on a global scale.

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Okay. That's pretty next level stuff,
but I love it.

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And you know what else I loved?
The idea of making toys tax-free.

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Yeah. Because why not?
It's like this little reminder

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that at the end of the day,
joy matters.

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Totally. And it's about sending a message,
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In a world that's focused
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creating joy, fostering imagination.

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Those are things we should be encouraging.

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It's like a whole different set of
values and it just feels hopeful.

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You know, like maybe,
just maybe, we can actually

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create a future that's
not all doom and gloom.

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Well, and that brings us
back to that really optimistic

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point you made at the
end of your chat with the AI.

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Oh, you mean about the people
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world's problems being the ones who
are celebrated and rewarded?

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Yeah, because it just feels
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Right. Like the people making weapons,
the people destroying the environment,

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they're the ones with all
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It's messed up.

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It really is. So, yeah, flipping that
script, that would be a game changer.

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Totally. And you know,
it's interesting. I don't

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think it's as far-fetched
as it might sound.

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Like, you look at the younger generation,
the ones who are growing

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up with climate change, with all these
interconnected global challenges, they get it.

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They understand that the old
ways of doing things aren't working.

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They're not afraid to question
the status quo.

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Exactly. And I think that gives me hope,
you know?

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Yeah.

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That maybe this shift in values,
that's not some distant utopia.

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Maybe it's closer than we think.

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I like the way you think. So,
where do we go from here?

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Because we've covered
a lot of ground, but I'm also

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feeling like, okay, this
is all great in theory, but

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how do we actually make it happen?

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Well, that's the million dollar question,
right? And it's not something

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any one person
or even one AI can answer.

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But I think the first step
is simply being aware.

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Being aware of those
old patterns, those

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destructive ways of
thinking they keep us stuck,

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and then, you know, having those
conversations, challenging those assumptions.

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Yes. Starting those conversations is key.

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Because the more we talk
about these things,

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the more we start to
imagine different possibilities,

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the more likely we are
to actually create change.

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You know, it's funny you say that because
at the very end of our chat,

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the AI leaves us with
this really poignant question.

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And it's so simple,
but it really stuck with me.

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What was it?

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It just said, how can
we apply these ideas?

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Like, not just talk about them,
but actually put them into practice

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in our own lives, in our own
work, even if it's just in small ways.

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I love that. Because it brings it
back to personal responsibility, right?

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Like, yeah, the big systemic changes,
those are important.

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Right.

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But it also comes down to
each of us asking ourselves,

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how can I be a force
for good in the world?

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Right. Because it's not about waiting for
someone else to fix things.

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It's about recognizing that we're
all part of this.

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We all have a role to play, and it
can start right now, in this moment.

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100%. It's about embracing that
spirit of collaboration,

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challenging our own
assumptions, and really

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opening ourselves
up to new possibilities.

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And you know what? Maybe that's the
most important takeaway from this

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whole deep dive. It's not about
having all the answers.

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It's about being brave enough to
ask the right questions.

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And then being even braver to go
out and find the answers together.

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Yes. 100%.

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So to everyone listening, thank you
for coming on this deep dive with us.

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Keep exploring
those big questions.

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Keep having those tough conversations.
And most importantly,

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keep believing in the power of collaboration
to create a better future for all of us.

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We'll see you next time.