Note down all key points, significant insights, trivial small yet important info from this guest speaker session: "Guest Speaker Session 4-20240724_130138-Meeting Recording
July 24, 2024, 6:01AM
57m 5s


Minh Donovan   3:17
OK.
Umm.
Let's start with a bit introduction about myself.
Umm, as Chris just mentioned before, I am a special educator. Umm.
So social worker, podcaster, marketer and also and also so.
But now all I safety book myself, I have about 10 year experience working in the field of special education, which is supporting children with by disability.
And I'm a person with a low vision myself.
And now, thanks to inclusive education at RMIT University, I am secure myself different high quality job afterwards.
So I would like to share to, to come here and with you today about my journey.
And this is my third, third time we could, Chris class.
OK, so let's move to the first line with some definition about NGO.

Christopher Denis Delacour   4:35
Yep.

Minh Donovan   4:37
Yet, as you have already know, NGO or NPO, not governmental organization or nonprofit organizations.

Christopher Denis Delacour   4:38
Done. Umm.

Minh Donovan   4:51
Organization.
Who works mainly in the development sector, which means they have to promote and encourage.
No, like on the sector to contribute to to the welfare of.

Christopher Denis Delacour   5:24
I mean, we cannot hear you.

Minh Donovan   5:28
Can you hear me?

Christopher Denis Delacour   5:29
Yes.
OK, good.

Minh Donovan   5:32
OK.
So this is uh, uh brief introduction about and GO and you can read that later.
Let's move to the next line that the next line is about some error previous that ensure focus on like myself.

Christopher Denis Delacour   5:46
Yes, done.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   5:57
I already working in a few of our education environment and and.

Christopher Denis Delacour   6:01
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   6:07
Ohh so umm.
I'm check I will protection but.

Christopher Denis Delacour   6:17
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   6:20
And Geo has other time focus on other types of as well, like poverty reduction and nowadays the there are malls and malls.
Organizations like UH, NGO in in Vietnam in in, including international NGO.
Next slide please.

Christopher Denis Delacour   6:45
Yes.
Done.

Minh Donovan   6:47
Including international NGO's and local NGO and as I have, umm, done some research about NGO in Vietnam.

Minh Donovan   7:02
Well, there is that there hasn't been any record about the exact number of NGO's in a in Vietnam because there are so many from the, from from, from the the like a big level international level like the children or child fun to like some local ones like go to like sample.

Minh Donovan   7:32
Yeah.
So it's it's so, so many organizations and local NGO means they the established in Vietnam and they they can receive fund domestically in and internationally.


Minh Donovan   7:50
But the international NGO, or INGO, in short, they can only receive the funding outside of Vietnam according to the degree 50.
I wish I will mention later, yes.

Christopher Denis Delacour   8:05
Hmm.
OK, so there is a regulation, yeah.

Minh Donovan   8:08
Next one, yes.

Christopher Denis Delacour   8:11
Done.

Minh Donovan   8:13
OK, let's go.
Want to how NGO work?
Umm, because I'm NGO that the structure of NGO they they don't, they don't do business themselves.

Christopher Denis Delacour   8:28
No.

Minh Donovan   8:29
They.
Hey, you mind leave.
Rely on donation so the the first stream of funding is the donation is could be from individual company or from grants.

Minh Donovan   8:44
Grants are like.
Well, there, there are so many platforms online for for NGO's or could be from UNICEF or other organizations and.
OK.
The the organization can can submit their their project outline to to the to the grounds owner, and then they will consider whether you are eligible enough to receive the funding.

Minh Donovan   9:17
It it could be fully or partly.
Yeah.
Also, UM, you can gain them.
Gingham like in revenue from merchandise selling or some ticket selling, for example, in the in the like.

Minh Donovan   9:39
I annually segment you run has some some some music fest to to raise fund for for to run in in Mekong Delta for example, they often sell tickets.
Minh Donovan   10:05
Side that ticket will be used I as as the funding for the program for the Child Development Program in that.

Christopher Denis Delacour   10:07
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   10:18
I think this is some technical difficulty.
Again, can you hear me?

Christopher Denis Delacour   10:23
Yeah.
Yeah, I can hear you.
Don't worry the just go with the flow.
If we cannot hear you, I will tell you.
I mean, don't worry.

Minh Donovan   10:34
OK.

Christopher Denis Delacour   10:34
OK, OK.

Minh Donovan   10:35
And could be so and got a good be something event related donation like a like somewhere some, some some donors or companies when when they attend some some events.

Christopher Denis Delacour   10:42
Hmm. Umm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   10:53
Ohh umm they they they can see like I some success story on like a inspire patient.

Christopher Denis Delacour   10:53
Umm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   11:02
No story from those students that are they already support tip of those who they feel like they they want to support.

Christopher Denis Delacour   11:07
No.

Minh Donovan   11:14
They can provide more money and more like support for those well in in the NGO in and abrella we we call that gift, send gifts to those children, send gifts stood out. Beneficiary. Yes.

Christopher Denis Delacour   11:20
Hmm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   11:32
OK, let's move to the more prestige part, which is degree 50.

Christopher Denis Delacour   11:37
Yeah.
Ah, very important.

Minh Donovan   11:41
Yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   11:41
Go ahead down.
The slide is displayed on the screen.

Minh Donovan   11:47
Yes, degree 58.
Umm, it's a really a reintroduce the meaning of NGO's in international NGO in Vietnam, International NGO's work for those were found internationally and they can only receive the funding from outside of the country.

Christopher Denis Delacour   11:56
Umm.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   12:16
So if like international NGO one, to get to raise fund in Vietnam, it's illegal, they will be fine for that and some some Geo just find a way to to receive markets like small donation under $1000 is fine.

Christopher Denis Delacour   12:17
Umm.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   12:40
But but I can can.

Christopher Denis Delacour   12:41
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   12:42
Can you do small one like that but not big ads?
They used to be and there are some problem which related to to this degree, which is a umm Vietnam.
Uh, like I and nomic status has been developed.

Christopher Denis Delacour   13:04
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   13:04
Umm.
Properly so, a more foreign investor will draw their funding from the Vietnam due to the little Vietnam has reached the middle income starters.

Christopher Denis Delacour   13:20
Yeah, but we don't income status, yeah.

Minh Donovan   13:21
Yeah.
So that that is umm.
That's that's why the the stream of funding become less compared to is used to be.
So it's kinda difficult for organization to to like to deliver their program effectively, especially those which needs some like high wage of revenues, for example school building, bridge building, our library building something like that, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   13:42
Umm.
And.

Minh Donovan   13:57
Let's move on to other challenges.

Christopher Denis Delacour   13:58
True, true.
Let's go.

Minh Donovan   14:01
Yes, the first one is is really good Tory constraint on just like you see ohh the example from the degree 58, I'm the the environment for for NGO's to work in Vietnam.

Christopher Denis Delacour   14:08
Umm.

Minh Donovan   14:22
I I mean international NGO in Vietnam is kinda extreme compared to their role call local counterparts because the local NGO can fun.

Christopher Denis Delacour   14:22
Hmm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   14:35
I can raise fund domestically and internationally, but umm, the the international NGO can only receive one one source of funding from outside of Vietnam.

Christopher Denis Delacour   14:44
Umm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   14:50
Ohh which mean even though we have like international like across like a like global global global Company corporation.

Christopher Denis Delacour   15:01
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   15:01
Umm in in Vietnam, based in Vietnam, but but they couldn't find.
Good, good.
And donate to the to to, to, to, to NGO because it's like it's against the degree 50I so yes.

Christopher Denis Delacour   15:16
Against the law, yeah.

Minh Donovan   15:20
So the the NGO?
My asked them to send to their their like their mother company and and then send it back to Vietnam and it's kinda like complicated and unnecessary.
So many of them would draw the fun completely, so international NGO lose, lose a lot of like a donors.
Big donors like that, yeah.
Second one.
And like the the stream of funding, I was really sad.
The third one is like a capacity and a special specialties expertise.

Christopher Denis Delacour   16:11
Umm.

Minh Donovan   16:13
Like like in a structure of an NGO, there are like big angio and small NGO, but the and resources are are not as big as companies or other businesses.
So sometimes it's hello limited when establish delivering some something.
For example, and chalfin has lots of branches in Vietnam, but in in like a some rural or remote area, they only have one or two stop members over there and go members have to cover everything related to to the to all of the program.

Christopher Denis Delacour   16:58
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   17:13
I'm the organization of over there and they often in the stage of overlord rate.
Yeah.
So it's kinda tricky sometime.
Uh, the 4th one is more sensitive one like it's a like if you know you know.
But because in Vietnam, when when you you make any careless political comments, you will have your ticket to Cheryl so ohh.

Christopher Denis Delacour   17:45
It's up to.

Minh Donovan   17:46
Take line.
Tickling the AutoZone as uh, tickling IIN as an example.

Christopher Denis Delacour   17:49
Go ahead. OK.

Minh Donovan   17:57
That organization work in the field of human rights, and I think human rights is a complete no, no.

Christopher Denis Delacour   17:57
Umm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   18:06
And like, it's not kind of transparent in the Vietnamese like we're regulation, but it's kind of said sensitive.

Christopher Denis Delacour   18:06
Umm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   18:14
So they so lean has had to close close down in the early 2023 because of a lack of support.

Christopher Denis Delacour   18:15
Hmm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   18:24
Yeah.
Related to that, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   18:26
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   18:27
Next slide please.

Christopher Denis Delacour   18:29
Yes.

Minh Donovan   18:30
Let's move on to #5.
#5 is related to the connection with other, yeah, other stakeholders.

Christopher Denis Delacour   18:34
After sheep.
Yeah. Umm.

Minh Donovan   18:40
For example umm as I used to work for for a communication and fundraising team as Saigon children's charity, I saw lots of my peers who need to bend over backwards when they see the big.

Christopher Denis Delacour   18:53
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   18:59
Wage money a bit grand from like big company, and sometimes they have to like compromise or do like some unreasonable things on from from them because some someone some some some cooperation like some some management like the.

Christopher Denis Delacour   19:04
Umm.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   19:24
They, they, they they think that that they.
Now the the, the superior they they give you the money and they can they require whatever they want from you like from.

Christopher Denis Delacour   19:36
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   19:39
From launching some big events or parties to to show that they have contributed something like this, something like that.
So it's kind of like a irritating sometimes, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   19:50
Umm.
So the in in a way that they use you, right?

Minh Donovan   20:02
OK and.
Yes, they did.

Christopher Denis Delacour   20:08
Image.

Minh Donovan   20:09
Did you use your phone?

Christopher Denis Delacour   20:09
Yeah. Umm.

Minh Donovan   20:12
Yes, I think if if in in terms of CSR, it's both the good and bad sometimes. Yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   20:17
Hmm hmm.
Umm.
Correct. Correct.

Minh Donovan   20:22
OK, let's talk about 6:00 and 7:00.

Christopher Denis Delacour   20:25
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   20:26
So public awareness about NGO.

Christopher Denis Delacour   20:31
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   20:32
Umm.
In this day and age, I still see many people when when, when I talk about NGO, they asking does the NGO employee has umm earn salary of you be very rich to work for the regio stuff.

Christopher Denis Delacour   20:41
Umm.

Minh Donovan   20:51
Really like that?

Christopher Denis Delacour   20:52
Umm.

Minh Donovan   20:53
That's uh, it depends.
It depends on the position you you apply for.
All the but the the the size of your angio, they are very big and rich angio, but there are small angio as well.
They are those NGO employees are are rich but but the the but the majority of them are not.

Christopher Denis Delacour   21:12
Ah umm.

Minh Donovan   21:23
Yeah, and.
Also relating to to the point that I just mentioned previously about when, when like operation Pardon for NGO to to, to, to, to to implement some project act like some people or some on these are the publics in my my see that NGO is the a more money laundry like feel for the those corporation.

Christopher Denis Delacour   21:36
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   21:58
So even though NGO has used the money to implement and remarkable projects like some hot children like of yes, I will support you and in the COVID 19 for example, or how many children to have an opportunity to go to school to have vocational training but their but but they still receive some kinds of like uh like negative in or like comments from those who are not aware of NGO work. Yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   21:58
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   22:40
OK, enough about how the no NGO.
Let's let's talk a bit about.
Some example one example.
Ohh NGO, which is a psycho children.

Christopher Denis Delacour   22:58
Yes.

Minh Donovan   22:58
It's also a partner of IIT.
Yes.

Christopher Denis Delacour   23:01
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   23:02
Second, children Charity has I mean, and in two years at 32 years of existence in Vietnam, and they are and it is a British angio working in the field of education there for big programs as school building.

Christopher Denis Delacour   23:10
Umm.

Minh Donovan   23:26
Child Development scholarship special needs education.

Christopher Denis Delacour   23:29
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   23:34
And getting ready for work.
The next slide, it's about some of the vision mission which you can see on their website later.

Christopher Denis Delacour   23:48
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   23:50
Can you move to the school buildings like please?

Christopher Denis Delacour   23:54
Yes, yes, I'm doing I charity programs school building program.
Getting ready for work scholarship. Hmm.

Minh Donovan   24:01
OK, the school building.
Yes, school building school beating is, umm one of the biggest program.

Christopher Denis Delacour   24:10
Up.

Minh Donovan   24:14
That's are gone.

Christopher Denis Delacour   24:14
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   24:14
Children's charity in Saigon children is the one of the few and geos who still continue to do the school building program because it's kinda costly nowadays and many organization.
There are many corporation and company has withdrawn the funding from from Vietnam so.

Christopher Denis Delacour   24:36
Ah yeah.

Minh Donovan   24:38
So it's a kind of difficult to to to continue the program.
So the school building focus on building a new school, but mostly like a small, small school.

Christopher Denis Delacour   24:49
Umm.

Minh Donovan   24:53
And we work with like local authority.
Uh, with the local funding as well to to be to be all Britain, renovate school.
So during have a safer place to study, we also do some like a playgrounds like a soccer pitch for example.

Christopher Denis Delacour   25:15
Hmm.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   25:19
Yes, and libraries for students to have.

Christopher Denis Delacour   25:22
Libraries.
Yeah, yeah.

Minh Donovan   25:24
Yeah, to have place to entertain up after school.
Because in Rurals area and the entertainment could could be less popular compared to the urban area.
OK, let's move on to getting ready for work.

Christopher Denis Delacour   25:45
Yes, done.

Minh Donovan   25:48
OK, getting ready for work is the program who help.
It's a mainly a volcano national training and life skills for students are are children who want to to transition from academic to vocational or one to find himself a check up to to support their family financial.
So some of the most popular job that this program teach include a hairdressing bartending barista.

Christopher Denis Delacour   26:29
Yeah.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   26:32
Yeah.
And we also have some some activities to all for chat which help those students raised their confidence and also their, the the life skill as well and also some other activities for them to visit other beneficiaries of second children.
So they they can feel that that they, they are fortunate enough to live in this line and to to do what they like and to stay happy and healthy here.

Christopher Denis Delacour   27:14
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   27:20
Next one.

Christopher Denis Delacour   27:22
Yes, Sir.
Child development.

Minh Donovan   27:25
This one is child development.
Yeah.
Scholarship Miss program support the children from.

Christopher Denis Delacour   27:30
Yes.

Minh Donovan   27:36
Key that God kindergarten to university so we are provide like a monthly scholarship for.
Students, especially in in rural area because psychology run mainly drop in the mail Mekong Delta, so we support children over there and we also support them with uh or the time support agreement form for bicycle on some time bike, some sometime motorcycle.

Christopher Denis Delacour   27:52
Umm.
Umm.
Hmm.
Wow.

Minh Donovan   28:17
So they can go to school easier.

Christopher Denis Delacour   28:19
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   28:20
Yeah, because it it depends on the list, then between the school and their homes.
So we will consider whether to to, to, to.
Help them with bicycle or motorbike.

Christopher Denis Delacour   28:36
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   28:39
Yeah.
And don't you student also support fruit, food and grocery, especially in the in the COVID era when many of them have to stay home?

Christopher Denis Delacour   28:47
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   28:58
Yeah, and lack of equipment to study.
So we all also give them like offline, some some donors to subsidize them with with phones or tablets as well, yeah.
And the last one special needs education.

Christopher Denis Delacour   29:20
Special needs education.

Minh Donovan   29:21
Special needs education.

Christopher Denis Delacour   29:21
Let's go. Yeah.

Minh Donovan   29:24
Yes, it's it's a program support of tailored for student with a disability.
So we mainly provide early intervention program for those with autism.

Christopher Denis Delacour   29:38
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   29:38
80 HD I'll for for them to like to, to to do a church that adjust their behavior.
Umm.
Increase like enhance their pro motor and fine motor skills so that you can ready for the inclusive.

Christopher Denis Delacour   29:55
Umm.

Minh Donovan   30:01
Environment afterwards I mean.
Ohh often in in grade one when when they enter grade one of primary school.
So if if they are eligible enough, they can study in great way one in inclusive school.
Otherwise they we fire them some, some specialized school so they can can receive more training or support.
Umm, tailored to to the heat.

Christopher Denis Delacour   30:32
Michael, yeah.

Minh Donovan   30:34
Yeah, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   30:35
Umm.

Minh Donovan   30:37
OK, let's talk a bit about myself and some of the things that I have done for the NGO.

Christopher Denis Delacour   30:41
Yeah, he have a guy.

Minh Donovan   30:49
OK, so as you can see on the screen.
Umm, he had some.
Some resources that I have done during my time last second, children's charity I was a leader of an online safety project or collaborated with the Northlands again and and violence fund in the UK which is which is a foundation under the supervision of UNICEF and we create an like safety booth and this one is bilingual.

Christopher Denis Delacour   31:17
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   31:29
So it's focus on some fundamental knowledge about online safety, like don't share your information with Stranger Young.

Christopher Denis Delacour   31:30
App, yeah.
Umm.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   31:42
She don't click on links send by stranger I am if you feel worried.
Upset.
You need to talk to your to like trusted one.
Please remember, our teachers also outings has developed some materials for teachers.

Christopher Denis Delacour   31:56
No.

Minh Donovan   32:06
Awesome.
It's a lesson packed with 9 units for those in mainstream school and sit supplementary lesson for those with special condition.

Christopher Denis Delacour   32:17
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   32:23
Yeah.
And finally, it's a current guidance handle because in fact that's it.
Want to create a safe for environment for your for your child, for your children.

Christopher Denis Delacour   32:40
Umm.

Minh Donovan   32:41
It needs to the the couple of the collaboration between the teachers, the school and and the parents needs to be strong.
So if if we have the strong connection, student will well, let's likely to to phase harms whether online or offline.
Next please.

Christopher Denis Delacour   33:06
Yeah, personal projects.

Minh Donovan   33:07
Post and yes, OHS, sure.
And and your life has given me a lot of time.
Who do other stuff like the the first first one?
Umm.
Yes, those are the projects related to to autism support related to my personal approach is a podcast I have done with another visually entire one.

Christopher Denis Delacour   33:33
Hmm.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   33:48
OK, let's talk about how you can work for NGO.

Christopher Denis Delacour   33:52
Hello.
Yeah, how?

Minh Donovan   33:59
The 1st way you can do is apply for.
Uh position?
But NGO, you can see easily on Vietnam work.
Or if we VUFO.
Umm.
NGO Centre they often updated.

Christopher Denis Delacour   34:19
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got this one.
Yeah, true. Yeah.

Minh Donovan   34:21
I thought yes.
No, the same way you can do is to become their volunteer because they.
Is your often sick for volunteer?

Christopher Denis Delacour   34:39
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   34:40
Especially those big fundraising event.
Yeah, and.
Last one, it's the to participate in events like some fundraising event.
You can buy tickets to to support the the NGO or you you can buy their merchandise is also directly contribute to to the project.
Yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   35:14
Umm.

Minh Donovan   35:14
OK, let's move on to how and you'll and help you, yes.

Christopher Denis Delacour   35:18
How?
Experience.

Minh Donovan   35:23
So, Oh yes, it will work for NGO, especially those credible one.
You can gain certificate from them which is very beneficial when you are apply for like later positioning wherever you go or when you apply for like your Masters scholarship, especially those with those a governmental scholarship and the training today is itself focusing on the sustainable ability and like the gender equality and disability development.
So if you work for like NGO which focus on those areas for example, you will have more chance to move on in the yard scholarship application.

Christopher Denis Delacour   36:15
Umm.

Minh Donovan   36:23
Oh, so when you work for NGO's, you have when you have a chance to gain some, like plenty of knowledge.
Because in the NGO environment, people are more likely to the to I'm more friendly compared to other sector because the we we see each other as family and we often share whatever we we we have and we know in order to to make each other better over time and during that time I second children charity even though the room or the rooms have have doors but we never close the door unless there is a meeting like a department meeting or something we need to close the otherwise we often leave the door open so people can go.

Christopher Denis Delacour   36:43
Umm.
True.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   37:22
In now and joy and discuss.
What anybody want to discuss with each other?
Yeah.
And you also have lots of chance to meet with top tier industry all.

Christopher Denis Delacour   37:30
Umm.

Minh Donovan   37:38
Argue you, you can work work in like some some projects of the organization and you can can see the the clear the the direct effect of your action to the local community by talking to those beneficiaries.

Christopher Denis Delacour   37:56
Yeah, it's yeah. Umm.

Minh Donovan   38:02
Yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   38:03
Umm.

Minh Donovan   38:03
And the last one and just like I have mentioned one part before, but you can is is a.
It's not like it's a good way for you to apply for scholarship and to apply for other job on library, because if you work for NGO and you, you build a strong network, you can easily find find yourself like other works up after after you go your journey you was over or you want to move on and work for other NGO.

Christopher Denis Delacour   38:20
True.
Umm.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   38:43
It's depends on you, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   38:46
Agree.

Minh Donovan   38:46
OK, I didn't next one.

Christopher Denis Delacour   38:49
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   38:53
Yeah, working for and you'll could be fun.

Christopher Denis Delacour   38:54
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   38:58
But is kind of straightforward sometimes, because when, yes, especially when when you are lack upon revenue or is in the rush hours of the campaign or something that people have to work extra hard.

Christopher Denis Delacour   39:00
A bit depressing too, right?
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Umm.

Minh Donovan   39:18
So sometimes we need to work even on the weekend, so it's kinda straightforward sometime.
So for me, I often like meditate at the end of the day so I can rewind myself.
I have a nice sleep and continue for the next day.

Christopher Denis Delacour   39:34
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   39:38
Next one is will work out.

Christopher Denis Delacour   39:41
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   39:41
Look how is a good way.
An extremely helpful way to like to boost your energy and to to recharge to to help you recover.

Christopher Denis Delacour   39:47
Hmm.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   40:25
To to reach out to and have some times for yourself.
Let's move on to the cycle.

Christopher Denis Delacour   40:35
OK, switch carrier. Yep.

Minh Donovan   40:36
Of Korea, when you you for NGO.
So this is and yeah, I can see lots of he.
He is on my 4 for for trains that I I seen mainly in in my network but there are also other trends as well.

Christopher Denis Delacour   40:51
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   40:55
So it it depends on you.
So if you are like passionate enough to to start with and uh, we but work out the Geo stuck with it first and then you can you can move on to other sectors or other NGO.
Yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   41:16
Hopefully, yeah.

Minh Donovan   41:16
And you eager to do so, yeah.
OK.
So he the next one is some contacts where you can find work.

Christopher Denis Delacour   41:27
Umm hmm.

Minh Donovan   41:27
Or in to work way to work and like vacant position at NGO's.

Christopher Denis Delacour   41:32
Umm Duke. Hmm.

Minh Donovan   41:33
Yeah.
Thus it about it for me.
Thank you very much.

Christopher Denis Delacour   41:37
Umm, umm, thank you.
Mean.
Thank you for very 4th and the preparation.
I know it takes time and you you check everything.
You're always eager to share.
Thank you guys.
Do you have any questions you can activate your micro?
No need to use the chat, it's more convenient.
So if you have any questions, please go ahead.
Any questions?
Any questions then?

Nghi Luong   42:11
Uh, I have questions for Mr money.

Christopher Denis Delacour   42:15
OK, so it is Miss Nee.
Yeah, go ahead, me.

Nghi Luong   42:17
Yeah.
Hi my name is may I want to ask about short which one is I will have gains better soft skill in the big NGO, small angio.
Because you set up the problem of angio is that it lacks of experience.

Minh Donovan   42:33
Umm.

Nghi Luong   42:38
Uh people who are in there, So what can I tell?
How?
How I can gain my soft skill in there?
Or I have to learn by myself?

Christopher Denis Delacour   42:49
Thank you.
For the question.

Minh Donovan   42:52
Nothing is.
It depends on the kinds of NGO and the role which you want to work frontier or you want to apply for.
I think like big bigger NGO might require a lot more experience people over there.

Christopher Denis Delacour   43:09
Umm.

Minh Donovan   43:10
So I think it's kind of better to fish to to, to seek for like a well known and NGO's in the field, especially those are like international NGO's and they they have they they have like the strong networks like UNICEF group consider as a an NGO because they NGO NPO because even though they they under the umbrella of United Nation but they still like Engler and their project using the the business sector funding.

Christopher Denis Delacour   43:24
Hmm.
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   43:52
So you you you can you can choose which suitable for for you because I am not very sure about your your your, your, your passion, your ambition.
So it's very difficult to to to decide which one is better for you, like a small one could be like a more familiar to you.
But like one day.
They could be my show in the long run, especially when you want to be a strong and like the a wide network of profession of yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   44:23
Hmm.
Umm.
Umm.
Did did mean answer your question?
Is it OK if I mean you have a?

Minh Donovan   44:43
Did not.

Nghi Luong   44:45
I yeah.
Yeah, it's OK.
I think they have another questions on the jackbox as well, so.

Christopher Denis Delacour   44:48
Yeah.
OK, I said.
My crew and you put in the chat with that. OK, Sean.
OK.
I mean, we have a thank you near.
Thank you.
We have a question in the chat.
Even if I say no chat.
So Sean ask you mean, as an alumni between NGO and part time job, which can give better work experiences, skills for our future career path or occupation.
So NGO or part time job to give better work experience and skills according to you mean?

Minh Donovan   45:24
Hmm.
Ohm part time job, but I think it's the is also depends because part time job you you can be waiter waitress for for CAFE or restaurant or you can we can be like a marketing assistant or like like research Assistant they they are part time job but they are there's difference in term of the level of skills and knowledge that you learn from that and working for NGO I'm mainly when when when when you work for projects which related to to NGO the the funding that that the the income that you gained from the compared to.
Part Time job is not as high as part time job.
I suggest I suppose, but it could give you some kinds of sort of benefits in terms of a relationship or certifications.

Christopher Denis Delacour   46:23
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   46:36
There are particularly when when when you work for, for for big NGO or big organized social organization.

Christopher Denis Delacour   46:36
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You you write me now, I would say, Sean, why don't you do part time in the NGO?

Minh Donovan   46:51
Umm, that's a nice choice, yes.

Christopher Denis Delacour   46:53
Yeah. What?
I don't know.
I I believe you do a part time job in the NGO and you you got the two experiences right and you can find a OK, we discussed about this.
Thank you, Sean, for your question.
A question from sang again.
I say activatur micro, but the send the question in the chat.
Thank you for that guys.
E He he's asking about your podcast.
What are the major topics you discuss in your podcast?
Often, yeah, yeah.

Minh Donovan   47:23
I yeah, I yeah, I have discontinued this continuous for a while, but before that I discuss a topic related to to education.

Christopher Denis Delacour   47:30
No.

Minh Donovan   47:36
Yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   47:37
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   47:37
Mental health and disability disability related topic because I think that this ability awareness in Vietnam is still very loud myself.

Christopher Denis Delacour   47:39
And mental health care.
Yeah. Hmm.

Minh Donovan   47:50
For example, before I I again the fully scholarship at MIT University, I was rejected by.

Christopher Denis Delacour   47:56
Umm.

Minh Donovan   48:00
Three others are other public university due to my due to my my my my my visual condition and because I can only see you like a 30% yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   48:06
Hmm.
Yeah, but yeah.
Yeah, but what do?
What did they say to you?
We say you directly it's because you have visually impaired or did they save it because we don't have the resources?

Minh Donovan   48:18
Uh.

Christopher Denis Delacour   48:23
I'm curious.

Minh Donovan   48:25
Yeah, but they they said that I used to apply for, for, for, for like a, a Bachelor of language, just like what you are.

Christopher Denis Delacour   48:26
How? Hmm.
Umm.
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   48:35
Study time my team and they set up the visually impaired like like you couldn't study that subject because it's too difficult.

Christopher Denis Delacour   48:36
Hmm hmm.

Minh Donovan   48:46
I think what the heck, so I decided to to switch to.

Christopher Denis Delacour   48:47
Yeah, it's language.

Minh Donovan   48:50
I might think yes.

Christopher Denis Delacour   48:50
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Minh Donovan   48:52
And study communication, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   48:52
So, so, so we didn't provide the right answer.
We could say we don't have the resources, right?
Maybe.
Yeah, they don't have computing, blah, blah blah.
Maybe, but they say it's too difficult.
OK, OK.
Good to know.
Good.
You came with us.
Uh, is it legal?
To what?
To reject, yes.
Is it legal to do that?

Minh Donovan   49:16
Yes.
It's it's completely legal. Umm.

Christopher Denis Delacour   49:18
It's completely legal, OK.
So we don't need to justify in anything, right?
So there's an absence of, let's say, a general regulations that public universities should accept people with disabilities, right?
We don't have this right.

Minh Donovan   49:36
Umm, yeah, we we, I I think we we have it already because uh inclusive education have existed in Vietnam for over 30 years, but there's still a gap between the regulation and the reality.

Christopher Denis Delacour   49:37
OK, I see.
Yeah.
And application.

Minh Donovan   49:52
Yeah, yeah, application here.

Christopher Denis Delacour   49:52
OK, OK, OK. Classic.
Classic everywhere.
OK.
Thank you, man.
Thank you.
Thanks for your question.
Another question guys, we have time for 1-2 more questions.
Another question.

Nghi Luong   50:06
OK, I ask one more questions.

Christopher Denis Delacour   50:09
Please.

Nghi Luong   50:09
Phone me.
Phone me again.

Christopher Denis Delacour   50:27
Umm.

Nghi Luong   50:27
Uh.
Scandal that expect the reputations as long.
So you think that we should consider that side as well and you're looking at it will affect the that organizations in the long term?

Minh Donovan   50:37
Umm.

Christopher Denis Delacour   50:43
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   50:44
Yeah, that's was an amazing question, yes.

Nghi Luong   50:46
So and design, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   50:49
Hmm, good question.

Minh Donovan   50:50
I'll keep keep.
Keep going.
Keep going, yes.

Nghi Luong   50:55
And I wanted to, I want to say that if I work for that organize and do you have ever faced the situation that that, you know that organizer is good on the marketing advertisements when you work inside that do flies.
Uh, I'll get it back side of it and you and you, you uh, ever do you want to explore them on your postcards or when you quit your job or you will give silence?
So I want to wonder about that.
That is about what it called the privacy, the freedom of speech of employee as well.
You know what I mean?

Minh Donovan   51:35
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I see your point.
Let's answer the first part, because I think there's like an international interview.
For example, like Save the Children or Saigon children or children, they often have.
Shows that like like their policy all day I was transformations and like their financial report on their website annual report.

Christopher Denis Delacour   52:03
Yes.

Minh Donovan   52:07
So you you can find it kinda easy, so I think it it's it's not a big problem with those organization because if you have a a careful discovery of any organization do you can have your answer you to yourself.
But if there are some, some some scandal happened related to to NGO's, for example, Saigonchildren has faced some some, some challenges alright after the the COVID period went other like a scam.
Scammers try to use our images and reputation to uh to to, to to to pretend that they they are like recruiter or HR team from Saigon children and they they they they provide contract which has a similar structure compared to our official contract.

Christopher Denis Delacour   53:09
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   53:19
So it could be confusing for those who who didn't know anything about second children or rarely heard about second children.
So we we had to work with the the food police well with government official to clarify that it wasn't us and and if anyone want to.

Christopher Denis Delacour   53:39
On.

Minh Donovan   53:48
To to to to apply for any position it can reach us by us by our official channel.
Yeah.
Something like that.

Christopher Denis Delacour   53:58
Hmm.

Minh Donovan   54:00
And I think there there's nothing black or or white because there's things in between, because in every job that you encounter in this life that there are, they're both good side and bad side of it.
And if you already choose to work for any organization, or choose to to be in any profession, you cope with it, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   54:31
So it's difficult to to make the decision right?
Mean.
I mean, you can have scandals, but the people working there with like we can be good too.

Minh Donovan   54:35
Yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   54:38
You know, it's very, it's almost part of the time is Gray.

Minh Donovan   54:41
It's very post seasonal.

Christopher Denis Delacour   54:43
Yeah, it's very personal.

Minh Donovan   54:44
Yes, it's personal experience, yeah.

Christopher Denis Delacour   54:46
Yeah.
If you feel the the scandal is too big, of course you.
You.
You're not gonna work, but maybe the people working there, they do their best and the scandal is, you know, outside environment.
Very difficult, right?
It's like Oxfam.
You remember guys we discussed about Oxfam.
We have big scandals, but it doesn't mean 100% of Oxfam is to put in trash, right?
We are certainly good people motivated etcetera or it's like that guys always like that minutes, right. OK.

Minh Donovan   55:08
Umm.
Yeah, everybody makes mistake. Yeah."