Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 8:58 PM]
1)New Web (I provide figma for you)
2)Proper donation system, vip system, battle pass + random skin drop in-game , SKIN Changer, custom and normal models, skin changer should 100% work on website
3) 100% properly working cs2 servers, right now lots of our servers are crashing, need manual restart and shit, this needs to be fixed
4)any new game mode that we need to make, new ideas and also updates for existing game modes.
5)full resposibility over ANY technical aspect of Website, Servers, Code/Plugins and so on

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 8:58 PM]
Is there anything that I missed?

artkyl, [11/9/2024 9:00 PM]
That's correct

artkyl, [11/9/2024 9:01 PM]
Do you have any objections to servers in Russia?

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:03 PM]
Depends

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:03 PM]
What's your marketing plan in russia

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:03 PM]
CSWARS can't be Russian project, it should be viewed as worldwide project

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:03 PM]
where Russia is also part of all the other countries

artkyl, [11/9/2024 9:05 PM]
On the contrary, we don't want to focus primarily on Russian servers.

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:05 PM]
Yes, as long as Russia is not MAIN

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:05 PM]
part of cswars

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:05 PM]
I'm ok with it.

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:06 PM]
Russia can be 1 part of project just like other countries, like germany france and europe in general.

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:06 PM]
in future, we should also have marketing in USA / canada / brazil

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:06 PM]
HUGE market and way more rich people there to spend money.

artkyl, [11/9/2024 9:08 PM]
Yes, the audience in Russia isn't very financially capable. I really like the idea of focusing on a more financially capable population

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:09 PM]
Regarding this, what would be realistic deadline for all this? Assume that I have a figma ready in next 1 week.

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:10 PM]
Also, regarding payments, what payment processor we should implement? how to accept donations? we need to also discuss that because right now cswars has no official business registered, and in most cases there is almost no chance to receive online payments without LLC.

artkyl, [11/9/2024 9:13 PM]
We can integrate any payment processor as long as it has an API

artkyl, [11/9/2024 9:15 PM]
Donations can be accepted through the personal account on the website

artkyl, [11/9/2024 9:19 PM]
I think you would be better suited to handle the legal matters as well as choosing the payment processor.

artkyl, [11/9/2024 9:26 PM]
We'll discuss this and get back to you tomorrow, okay?

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 9:26 PM]
Alright, lets talk tomorrow

artkyl, [11/9/2024 10:14 PM]
Are u sure about it?

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 10:14 PM]
If we get a deal , I will find a designer and at least main page and some stuff will be ready

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 10:14 PM]
so you can start working, and it will get done meanwhile.

artkyl, [11/9/2024 10:36 PM]
We have gathered sooner than expected and are now able to provide the timelines. These timelines are for the first working version, which will still need to undergo testing.

Everything depends on when the design is provided. Developing one page will take approximately one day. The core functionality of the site, including the main page, personal account, donation system, VIP system, skin changer, battle pass, and custom weapon, will take about 2.5 weeks, including the server plugins. The random skin drop in-game will likely be developed a bit later, and it will take 1-2 weeks.

Elon Musk, [11/9/2024 10:37 PM]
and what about testing? Also would be good if I know full total timeline, like 1.5 months or whatever which is needed for fully working v1.0

artkyl, [11/9/2024 10:46 PM]
donation system, personal account, VIP system, battle pass, random skin drop in-game, skin changer, custom and normal models. Both the web side and server side will take 4 weeks after receiving the complete design. Accordingly, we will start working on some parts progressively as the design is provided.

artkyl, [11/10/2024 6:11 PM]
Hello, colleagues! Please let us know as soon as you make your decision regarding our proposal.

Elon Musk, [11/10/2024 6:12 PM]
Hey there, we are still discussing but what I can say for sure is that 50/50 won't work.

Elon Musk, [11/10/2024 6:13 PM]
My investment is too big to drop of half of the company, and especially at this very early stage where we are not even v1.0

Elon Musk, [11/10/2024 6:13 PM]
Also, calculating costs, paying 2 months of sallary for backend + frontend + designer should be around 1500$. that means for 1500$ I should be able to get the v1.0 done

Elon Musk, [11/10/2024 6:14 PM]
Ofcourse this is rough calculations, maybe 1400, maybe 1700, but what I'm trying to say is that I can get all that tasks done for under 2000$. and dropping 50% of company for 2000$ wortth of job combined doesnt make sense.

Elon Musk, [11/10/2024 6:14 PM]
No offense or something guys, just saying my opinion.

artkyl, [11/10/2024 6:46 PM]
I totally understand why giving up 50% equity upfront might feel like too much, especially with all you’ve already put into this. We’re flexible on that and open to finding a smaller equity split or a structure that reflects both your investment and what we’re bringing to the table.

Our proposal goes beyond just getting v1.0 out the door. We have an experienced team already dialed in, especially in CS2 plugin development, which means we can save you the hassle and cost of building a new team from scratch and getting everyone up to speed. We’re here for the long haul, too—not just for the launch but for ongoing support, so any future bugs or updates from Valve won’t be something you have to worry about.

With our team having a stake, our motivation is 100% aligned with yours: we’re committed to seeing the project grow and succeed, not just in the short term but for the long run.

Elon Musk, [11/10/2024 6:47 PM]
Yes, the fact that you also depend on company success is really good, that's why I'm considering it as well.

Elon Musk, [11/10/2024 6:47 PM]
We should have landing page done by tomorrow, meanwhile we will discuss too with @grigalinho and then we can decide what to do

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 11:23 AM]
hey guys

Nika, [11/11/2024 11:25 AM]
Hello @AllRub , We have received an initial test web design sample. Our web designer is expected to complete the full website design with all details within approximately one week.

Nika, [11/11/2024 11:27 AM]
Please also let us know what steps you plan to take during this period. Once the designer completes the full web design, please provide an estimated timeline for how long it will take to finish the project based on this design

Nika, [11/11/2024 11:28 AM]
Additionally, please feel free to collaborate directly with the designer and work together step by step to ensure the web design meets all requirements seamlessly.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 11:43 AM]
Greetings! It’s great that the designer has started working. As mentioned earlier, we are ready to begin developing the website based on the initial parts of the design. However, I think it would be better to revisit yesterday’s discussion and finalize all the terms before starting work.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 11:44 AM]
for me 2 parts are most important

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 11:45 AM]
1) how do we make sure that u guys meet deadline and promise of all technical stuff - and what happens if things dont go the way it should go? delayed deadline , etc etc

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 11:46 AM]
2)we need to come up with realistic % for the dev team to make sure u are satisfied, while it should also make sense financially for me, 50 is far away from that to be honest

artkyl, [11/11/2024 11:48 AM]
What are your suggestions?

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 11:51 AM]
this is more important for me

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 11:51 AM]
then I can answer this question

artkyl, [11/11/2024 11:55 AM]
It's ok

artkyl, [11/11/2024 11:55 AM]
We’ll meet within 2-3 hours, discuss the guarantees we can offer, and write a response.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 11:56 AM]
Sounds good, excited for
this!

artkyl, [11/11/2024 2:28 PM]
We've come to the conclusion that we won't be able to provide any guarantees more substantial than verbal ones. It's unlikely that we'll enter into a full-fledged contract with you that would be legally binding, so this is the best we can offer.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 2:28 PM]
im not meaning legal binding

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 2:29 PM]
i want to know what happens

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 2:29 PM]
in case of delays, or things that promised from ur side not getting done / delayed for weeks

artkyl, [11/11/2024 2:33 PM]
If you decide to hire someone else to build your website for a fee, similar risks of delays or unfulfilled promises could still occur. Working with any service provider involves uncertainties, and there is always the potential for unexpected challenges or setbacks, regardless of whether you're paying for the service or not. Communication and project management issues can happen in any business relationship, so these concerns are not unique to us.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 2:34 PM]
If the work ends up being done poorly, which I doubt, you are entirely free to turn to other specialists.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 2:34 PM]
you are getting equity from the profit of company Forever, when im hiring someone, i can fire them anytime

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 2:35 PM]
but when we are partners and u have %, and we worked together lets say for 6 months already and then issues arise

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 2:35 PM]
I cant say ok guys goodbye im getting new specialists

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 2:36 PM]
im not saying this only for next 1 month or v1.0, we are talking and discussing long term

artkyl, [11/11/2024 2:42 PM]
I don’t really understand the point of this question then. It’s in our own best interest to prevent any issues or missed deadlines. What happens if we miss the deadlines or something like that? — I don't know. As I said, it’s in our own interest to avoid that. The faster we finish the work, the sooner the project starts generating profit.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 3:38 PM]
That is for sure

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 3:39 PM]
Regarding the profit share, The profit margin that I think is fair for technical aspect of the project which we already discussed, I'm Thinking around 20-25%.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 5:25 PM]
Well, look at it this way: let’s say the project eventually brings in $10,000 in profit. But getting to this point isn’t guaranteed, and it will take time and effort. With the proposed 20-25% share for us, that’s around $2,500 for our side. Splitting this amount between the three of us means each gets roughly $800. Considering the time and effort we’d put in, this isn’t much. Honestly, it might even make more sense for us to start our own project instead, so we wouldn’t have to share the profits at all.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 5:26 PM]
I'd like to listen to your suggestion then.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 5:38 PM]
I was prepared to expect at least something around 40%, as the technical part of the work is indeed extensive. But you probably have a completely different perspective on these things.

Nika, [11/11/2024 5:49 PM]
Reaching 40% progress is indeed substantial, especially when considering the effort required to build the technical processes from scratch. However, we are not starting from zero anymore. We have already made significant progress, such as hiring a designer to enhance our website and developing different modes internally. Our current focus is to complete the website and stay prepared for ongoing updates.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 5:50 PM]
also, huge marketing that is required in order to make project famous

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 5:50 PM]
which will need multiple thousand $

Nika, [11/11/2024 5:51 PM]
Our plans might be more ambitious than you realize, which could be why you have this perspective. The truth is, hiring developers for this work might seem cost-effective in the short term, but we are focused on building a strong foundation that supports our larger vision. This involves more than just immediate savings—it’s about ensuring quality and scalability for the future.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 6:11 PM]
I'm a bit confused about which 40% of progress we're talking about. Above, I mentioned 40% of the income portion.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 6:13 PM]
Yes, we had these intentions from the very beginning. Such long-term cooperation is more beneficial and effective.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 6:48 PM]
Undoubtedly, filling a large number of servers with players requires significant investment. On the other hand, creating a stable and fully functional system requires a tremendous amount of experience, knowledge, and effort. It’s one thing to buy a ready-made site template like lrweb, install publicly available plugins on the server, and order a few custom plugins. This doesn’t even consider the numerous basic tasks involved. It’s entirely different to build a whole system from scratch with extensive functionality, a large number of servers, and to maintain it all.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 6:51 PM]
I understand that, that is why I'm considering this option

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 6:51 PM]
But it has to financially make sense for both sides

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 6:51 PM]
We might have multiple months where expenses will be more than income

artkyl, [11/11/2024 6:53 PM]
We are not counting on immediate profit and fully understand that there may be similar challenges.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 7:07 PM]
Maximum I can offer is 30% of profits, the rest of 70% would be used by us, i'm not focused on immediate profits either, so be assured that huge part profits gonna be reinvested from my side to grow server even larger.

regarding rest, if things go well and we have significant income, we can re-discuss terms and come up with even better offer, but that is still long way and I really hope we reach it.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 8:50 PM]
I understand your position. In that case, unfortunately, we won't be able to reach an agreement. I don't want to come across as some kind of 'haggler' or rude. We are not just trying to raise our price; we are stating our share based on the complexity and labor intensity of the work.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 9:53 PM]
Not a problem at all. I understand your position as well, but this is best I can do. Thanks for the offer anyway and wish you all the best.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 9:55 PM]
Thank you for your understanding, all the best.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 9:56 PM]
We could calculate the cost of labor during the months of your team and think about share that way as well

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 9:56 PM]
That's what was my initial thought, and that's how I come up with number in range of 20-30%.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 9:59 PM]
Your Web Backend developer friend you mentioned, @ssssssssssssssssssssssssps Told me that he was okay to work for 150$/month sallary, I also pay same range of sallary to @ssssssssssssssssssssssssps , I don't know what's your sallary range but based on their sallary (and obviously the deal is that the sallary will increase once the server is bigger) , I think that 30% is way better. because if you sum up all this costs, and let's say multiply it for 3 months (let's say less motivation to work, less time spent e.t.c) - in 3 months, there will be v1.0 for less than 2000$

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:01 PM]
While marketing will cost way way more then 2000$, and besides marketing there is tasks such as : creating social media content, maintaining and keeping discord active, hiring streamers / influencers / finding new ways to market the servers, managing legal stuff (business registration, proper accounting, e.t.c) , that's why I think that even though your work is 100% very hard and imporatnt, there is still way more work/investment needed on our side of plate.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 10:26 PM]
This salary is probably justified by low employment.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 10:30 PM]
The deadlines we provided imply a much greater expenditure of time and effort.

artkyl, [11/11/2024 10:31 PM]
Certainly, if the deadline is significantly extended and the working hours are reduced, then we can discuss a lower percentage.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:32 PM]
but it is in no one's interest to work slower

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:32 PM]
u working slower means we getting no income for a longer timr

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:33 PM]
if we reach 10k$/month, 30% is 3000$, which is not bad at all in my opinion.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:34 PM]
Also, while you will still have to work on gamemode, web, updates even after launch, your work will be much more smaller after launch than before, because right now we are re-building everything.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:34 PM]
While us, we will have lots of job after launch, and our job only will increase because more players we get = more marketing we do and need.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:35 PM]
And lastly, only risk from your side is time and labour, while we are also doing labour, doing our best and on top of this we are funding this, while you have to invest 0$.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:35 PM]
your risk: time, energy, labour
our risk: time, energy, labour, Investment.

Elon Musk, [11/11/2024 10:38 PM]
for example, right now, we pay 730$ for the whole new web design.



Как ты думаешь, кому какой процент должен достаться?