want to make podcast sniffet of 30-60 sec that may gone viral and clips should have climax that tie viewers till end so i am giving transcript of video so give direct transcript cut  without changing transcript of about 30-60 sec that have ability to go viral also give rating of viral out of 10 give all possible clips from this "It's been 18 years. What games have you made? Tummy Circle, My Eleven Circle, The Ultimate Teenpatti. Are you selling gambling? What was your biggest mistake in 18 years? After ******, I banned the game. When you work with an IPL team, what's the dynamic like? If there's a big player, Friends, every month we release 8 Hindi podcasts and 8 English podcasts. You will get practical value from conversations with entrepreneurs. This is a similar type of conversation. You have used products of Games 24x7. Games like My 11 Circle and Rummy Circle are very popular in India today. Games 24x7 is getting a lot of growth in the gaming space. So when we talk about successful gaming companies, you need to talk about Games 24x7. But this company started 
18 years ago. Today, the co-founder of this company, Bhavin Pandya, will teach us a little about business too. But I learned about life from him. That how a self-made person's journey is. I found this conversation very inspiring, it was fun. And honestly, with his satisfaction, I, in a very brotherly way, get a little jealous. Why am I saying this? You will see this in today's conversation. It was fun talking to them, learning from them. I would like to encourage you to please cut the clips of this podcast and upload it on your Insta pages and YouTube channels. India's entrepreneurial stories should spread on the internet, friends. Lots of love because this is <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED_PERSON> on TRS. Bhavin Pandya, what games have you made? 
Rummy Circle, My Eleven Circle, and then there used to be a Casual Game Studio, but now the focus is on Rummy Circle and My Eleven Circle. In the domain of casual games, which big games have you made? There were Ultimate games, Ultimate Teenpatti, Ultimate Poker, Ultimate Rummy. Okay. But yeah, those were free-to-play games. Casual games means free-to-play. It's an 18-year-old company. 18 years. How have you been? Very good. Very good? Very good. I've learned a lot. I've made a lot of mistakes. But I've learned from them. When people think about Rummy, they automatically think about Mahabharat too. A lot of Indians at least. So I'm sure that when you go to a room, Then some people who are your trolls, haters. People's trolls, people's haters. 
They must be asking you this question. That are you selling gambling? I have kept this at the start of the podcast. So that people may also have this doubt in their mind. Clean it up. Are you selling gambling? No. Not at all. What is gambling? Gambling is that you... You are playing a game on which you don't have any control. That is gambling. It is called game of chance in English. If you are playing it for money, then you are gambling. There are many games like roulette. The ball will come on red or black. No one knows. It will spin where it will stop. There is nothing in your control. You are gambling on that. We offer game of skill. This means that you have to win on your own ability. 
If you take part in a chess tournament today, by paying an entry fee of 100 rupees, then are you playing Juhwa? I am asking you. No, I am playing sports. If you give money in turf, then to play football or cricket, that is the logic. That is the logic. Fair. So the games we offer, that is why games are important, which games are you offering? We offer rummy and fantasy sports. For rummy, rummy circle. For fantasy, my 11 circle. These two games, the Supreme Court has said, are games of skill. That's why, whatever court case has happened till now, with rummy or fantasy, we win. Every time. Court case? We win in court cases too. But why did the court case happen? States say, no, stop all this. 
We have to listen to them. We have to stop. But then we have to go to the high court. We think that when the Honorable Supreme Court has said that it is allowed, then why are you stopping us? Tell us. How is the world of fantasy cricket? Because I know that this domain has gained a lot of growth. But along with that, I think some taxes were imposed last year. I believe. Draw out this whole scenario. You have seen the growth of fantasy cricket in India. I am sure that you have seen a lot of crazy learnings. A lot. A lot. First of all, I tell people jokingly, but this is actually true, right? I ask people, what is the biggest religion in India? 
So whatever people say, I tell them cricket is the biggest religion. And everyone agrees that yes, cricket is. Why? Because everyone thinks that they know a lot about cricket and their views are very important for them. Right? So we thought, and others also thought, but we also thought that why not test this thing. Give people the opportunity to make their own team. And then see how people do in the field, how the players do. And according to that, you then decide. I mean, you see whether you win or not. You were running the company since 2006. Yes. First you made the game of Rummy. Yes. Then when did this idea come and why did it come? So in 2013-14, We saw, even in the west, that fantasy sports are doing very well. 
Right? So can we do something about fantasy sports in India? Especially cricket, cricket is a very big game in our country. We stopped. Because we saw that there is not much clarity in space. Even Rummy, Rummy was said by the Supreme Court, full game of skill, still issues were coming. People were asking us if it is allowed or not. So we said that we will offer fantasy only when there will be legal clarity on it. First point. Do the right thing. It is very important. So when in 2016-17 Punjab and Haryana's High Court gave a verdict that fantasy games are a game of skill. So then we felt that That we should do this. We should do something in this field. So in 2018, we set up a team. 
In 2019, we took our product live. And when we went live, there were more than 100 fantasy sports operators. Fantasy cricket operators in our country. Today, I don't know how many there are. But when we went, we were obviously the 101st. Because 100 people were ahead of us. Today, we are at number 2. Um... And the reason for this is because we applied what we learned in Rummy in fantasy. We innovated on products. We made people's user experience very easy. And so, because of that, when IPL happened, we got a lot of players. And our philosophy was simple. People make teams in fantasy sports. But once a team is formed, what's next? If I have to engage them after that, then I will have to make them play other games. 
And I was saying that, from 2019 to 23, now in 24, we have learned a lot. And we have learned a lot from fantasy sports. Normally, I want to talk about rummy. But as a cricket fan, and because it's the IPL season, I'm more inclined towards the cricket conversation. Absolutely, of course. The most active people are during the IPL. 100%. 100% in IPL. 100% means... Gaming modes turn on. Absolutely. You are working with LSD, technically. Lucknow Super Giants. When you work with an IPL team, how is that dynamic? So, actually, this was also our discussion earlier. It's a business dynamic. Look, cricket has become very professional. In every way. Players are very professional. Administrators are very professional. And coaches are very professional. Everyone is very professional. 
Okay? So if you, like we are working with Lucknow Super Giants, so we showed interest in doing sponsorship. So they allowed, accepted that it's okay, we'll allow you to sponsor. Clause is clearly written that what you will get with this sponsorship. Either you will get some tickets to watch the match on the ground. Lucknow's, Home and Away's, or you can get team jerseys if you want. If you want to meet someone, you can get that opportunity. So, these things have already been specified in the contract. It's not like once I take sponsorship, then I'll go and discuss that give me this and that. No. It's already in the contract. Do you know for what? What are you signing up for? What are you taking sponsorship for? 
And then you sponsor that. On jersey sponsorships. The title sponsorship that we have is the same. So, my11circle is written here. So, that is main. Title sponsorship means that you can take sponsorship on their jersey. And then you get different things with that. When you work with cricketers as an advertiser, what does the public not know about this whole process? What is it like to work with cricketers? That he is also very professional. What is the impression in everyone's mind? That if there is a big player. Then he is in the air. Then he is a little arrogant. But that is not the case. When those people come. They are very professional for ads. Director will tell them. That you have to do this. 
They will do it with all their heart. It is important to understand. That everyone is not a natural actor. They all work hard. Everyone will do their work with all their heart. And then as soon as their shoot ends, then for their next engagement, whatever they have to do, they will go for the practice session. But it's not like he will say, I am a cricketer. So do what I say. Or I don't believe in being a director, I will do it that way. Not at all. Everyone is very professional, very down to earth. From you, will talk very politely, will work well. Just like you work in a company. There are two professionals working in a company, talking to each other. It's professional. 
Everyone has respect for each other. It's exactly like that. How do you have contracts? Per day? Contracts are complicated. Because there are different types of contracts based on what the player wants and what you want. But those people will give you some number of days in contracts. Like, I'll give you... one day, or one and a half day, or two days, for shooting. Then I will give you some space for social media engagement, I will mention you a little, I will mention the name of your brand. So it's a little like that. So it depends on how much social media following you have. How many years have you been in the world of cricket? Now... In the world of cricket, it's been 5 years from 2019 to 2024. 
5 years. What do you know about the psychology of your players? There are two sub-questions. Let's ask the first question now. Generally, what do you know? What do cricket fans think? The second question is, can you predict which players' popularity is increasing? I feel you know a little about the future of cricket. No, we don't know that because it's a reaction. When does the popularity of cricketers increase? When the players who are playing on our platform see that all these cricketers are performing. As soon as their performance decreases, their popularity also decreases. Why would you take such a player in your team who is out of form? You won't. You'll take the same player who is in form. So that depends on the game. 
A lot of the players on our app actually look at which ground they are playing on, who is batting, who is bowling, who has taken more wickets on this pitch, who has made more runs on this pitch. They also look at which pitch it is. So when there is a toss, they look at the pitch 1, 2, 3, they also look at this. They go into a lot of detail. How do you know that by going into so much detail? First of all, we talk to the players. And secondly, we know that after the toss, a lot of teams are formed and changes occur. Because in the toss, the commentator tells which pitch the match is being played. Meaning the average user is quite educated. 
Yes. Okay. Meaning he has a lot of knowledge about cricket. He has a lot of knowledge. Sports awareness, cricket awareness has increased a lot. And it's increasing? And it's increasing. It's increasing. It's definitely increasing because look, Whatever skill is there, why is it a skill? It is a skill because you can work on it and increase it. Today you get addition, tomorrow you get subtraction, then you get multiplication. It is a skill that you are increasing with time. Right? So, like a player, once he makes a team and sees how he performed in the tournament, next time he will change, he will do better. The same audience who watch our podcast, they also consume Shark Tank. Which is a general YouTube audience. Shark Tank India's clips get a lot of views. 
And business conversations only happen during the Shark Tank season. I didn't watch Shark Tank India that much. But there was a company in which I thought they were doing a good job. So I supported them. So that was the company, but I didn't watch Shark Tank India. Because when I watch Shark Tank, I feel two things. First, I feel it's very inspirational. Looking at the growth of the country and the mentality. Second, I feel that a lot of people have just started their business. And let's see how far it goes. Because business can become a mental health battle for a lot of people. Absolutely. Absolutely. Do you agree? I 100% agree. There are a lot of moments where you feel like giving up. 
Actually, I'll tell you one step ahead. I believe that the next generation, in the next 10-15 years, the biggest problem in the world will be mental health. 25 years ago, AIDS was a big problem. Then cancer and all of that became a big problem that people are looking to fight. And that is still a problem. But I feel that the focus on mental health after COVID-19 We should have come earlier, but it's too late now. But the focus that will remain on that is very important. And I feel that we should focus on mental health for everyone. And on mental training too. Absolutely. Mental training is a very underrated thing. Actually, according to me, this is the core skill of business. That how much you can endure. 
Yes. This is the identity of a leader. Do you agree, sir? Yes, to an extent. I think... Look, my fundamental belief is that luck is very important. Everyone has to work hard. It is in your control. You have to work hard. But even after working hard, sometimes people get the result. Sometimes people don't get the result. I am talking about myself. Why did I get the result? Because my luck was good. I want to know your entire story because what you have done in 18 years. First of all, 18 years is not a joke to me. 18 years is a long time. People make plans to exit businesses in 5 years. You have run the same business for 18 years. You must have had crazy learnings, I am sure. 
Why did you start a business in the early 2000s? Because I don't remember that many startups from that phase. So now I will tell you that story. So in those days, there used to be a computer lab. So you used to go to the computer lab. There used to be big boxes. You used to go there and do your research. So I used to go there and play games. Like cyber cafe. Like cyber cafe. But it was a computer lab. So I used to play games there. Once I saw here and there that I am not playing games alone. There are one or two more people like me. Which game? Different games, but whatever it is. I used to play mahjong, someone else is playing poker, someone else is playing something else. 
Okay. So, I used to know Thumpy, but I actually got to know him. So, what can I do in gaming? And secondly, I had to go to India. So, there is gaming too, there is a lot of interest in it. Because there was no interest in economics, there was interest in gaming. I had to go to India. So, what can I do? Thumpy and I started talking about it. Can we offer gaming in India or not? But what kind of games can we offer? So, first of all, we didn't want to become a gaming studio. We didn't want to make meaningless games. And people play those games for ads. Because then that game gets boring. You will be shown some ads and then your game gets boring. 
So, you won't publish ads there. Because no one watches, no one plays your game. So we should offer a service. Gaming as a service. So how to offer that? So you can offer that in such a way that you have to offer evergreen games online. So that's where it started. Let's offer games that people always love to play. Which were evergreen. Which people liked to play. But they didn't have that avenue to physically go and gather everyone and play games with people. But internet... Internet was... So we saw that if the internet is growing as it is forecasted, then online gaming in India as a service can be a big market. But again the same question, what can you offer? Which game can you offer? 
So when we did research there, we found out that game of skill, which you play with your skill, game of chance, which you don't have control over, What is the difference between these two things? And then you can offer a game of skill, you can't offer a game of chance. So, that started from there. When I did that research, I said, okay, I have to go to India. So, I am leaving the PhD program and going. So, another thing I did, when I was interested, there is a student council, a student council of a graduate school. So, I was the president of the student council there. So, you get to know the Dean, meet him and talk to him. So, if I wanted to quit the program, I had to take permission from the Dean. 
So, I went to the Dean. It's like this, I'm not enjoying economics. I have to go to India and do gaming. So, the Dean was also a little surprised. What is this guy saying? He must have thought that he is naive. He doesn't know. And the Dean was very nice. So, he said, that Bhavin, you do this, I will give you a sabbatical for one year. Because for one year, you roam around, do whatever you want, whatever you like, whatever your dream is, explore it and come back next year. Because he was a dean, he knew that startups don't work. Entrepreneurship is very risky. I mean, no matter what the boy is saying, let's entertain him a little. So I said, thank you. 
Dean, I'll take this. But I don't think I'm going to come back. Because, again, one thing was clear that the thing that I don't want to do, after doing that, that's not its point. You can do something else, you can do something else. So I thought that the startup won't work, so we'll do something else. But this start happened from there, that you have to do gaming, you have to come to India, you have to do it in India, because it is growing so much in India now. People's disposable income is so high. So how can this be done? Did all the things that were projected happen? Much more than that. More than that? More than that. I would like to ask this from the perspective of 2024. 
A lot of things were being projected. A lot happened. And why did this happen? Let me tell you. This happened because the way the internet grew, and the way smartphones grew, those people didn't think about it. Because they grew exponentially, everything else grew. And the second thing is, if you see now, Not only the gaming industry, but the semiconductor industry is also growing. There are a lot of internet-based services industries that are also growing. So, everything is growing. And gaming is just one industry also that grew. But it grew more than projections because the growth of smartphones and internet increased a lot. And this again goes back to luck. That too was not in our control. We can't increase smartphones or internet. That happened when it had to happen. 
But in the early days, it was difficult. First, the internet was also difficult. There was dial-up. After that, you don't know if you have this idea or not. First, if you want internet, then you used to pull a wire from the other building and it used to come to your building from above. From there, you used to get internet. And so, if anything happens on that wire, then your internet is closed. So, when we used to develop games, the product we were making, it was a very big problem. It was 8 o'clock. One day, the internet was switched off. I called him. I said, there is a problem with the internet. Please come. The technician said, yes, sir, I am coming. It's been two hours. 
I called again. Sir, you were about to come. What happened? He said, sir, I will be there in five minutes. I reached the station in five minutes. Our office is in Borivali. I am reaching in five minutes. I am coming, sir. I said, okay. The whole day passed by. Our work was getting delayed because it was an online game, so the testing should have been done on the internet. That's when I got really angry. So, the next day, I called him and told him a few things. He said, it's been five minutes and you haven't come yet. So, he said, no sir, I came. I came, I saw, but then I left. I said, sir, why? So, he says, sir, it is like that, the building next to it, from where that wire comes, from which your building is getting internet, there is no lift running in that building. 
That was a building of 8 miles. So, I felt that, sir, you don't have to climb 8 miles. So, I said, sir, 8 miles, once you climb, our internet is not working. He said, no, sir, that is not the problem. The problem is that, From where the lift is getting electricity and you are getting the internet, they are all in the same box. So because the lift of that building is not working, they have switched off that box. That's why you are not getting the internet here. I had never thought, no one had ever thought that if the lift is not working in any building and because of that no one else will get the internet, then this is a very surprising thing. 
So all these things have happened with us that you can't even imagine from where the issues come. So that people understand the context. It's a little podcast-y question. Today, your annual revenue... Can you tell us roughly? The latest audited numbers are also available. So if you want to see... No one will show you off. Because you are very humble. Would you feel bad if Atharva searches? If I say? Yes, you... This is the real identity of a businessman. So before the podcast starts, you congratulated me for the journey of nine years. Actually, when someone congratulates, all the negative things flash in my mind. What has happened to reach here? And I'm sure there's a part of you that feels the same. Absolutely. Though your face is very sweet. 
Thank you. Now you smile. But I would like to tell you that nine years. But 9 years is not a joke. 9 years is a lot. Today people change jobs in 6 months or a year. Because maybe they don't like what they do, but they don't give it much chance. So 9 years is a big thing. And I think it is also important for the audience to understand that if in the first take or in the first few months, If you don't like something, it doesn't mean that you should leave it completely. If you give a chance to something, 2-3-4 chances, then who knows, you might like it a lot. I feel that in the long term, success or whatever the world considers success, it is an outcome of negativities. 
And this is a real thing that very few people do. At this point, I would like to ask you about negativity. The negativities that you have faced, what was your biggest mistake in the last 18 years? There have been instances in our journey where we were more risk averse. Played safe. Played safe, played safe a lot. As I tell you, Rummy as a game is played by 6 players. Traditionally, you play Rummy with 6 players or 3, 4, 5, 6 players. We only offered Rummy with 2 players. You will ask why? Because if there were more than 2 players, the chances of cheating would have increased. Like you, me and someone else are playing. He is your friend. You will ask him on the phone. 
That tell me. So he has more information. Of his leaves. And you have more information of your leaves. Whereas I have only information of my leaves. So you got an advantage. So we thought about all this. And we said. No, we only offer the version of two players. But then we learned from him. That people need six players. And just because. Today we don't have a solution. It doesn't mean. That we don't have a solution. Don't make a version. We made a version and also made a solution to stop cheating. So then we started working on it. So then the solution was not that difficult. The solution was that if you detect the same IP, then don't put them on the same table. 
Engineering solution. Exactly. Put them on the same table. The third thing is that once everyone sits down, then randomly shuffle them once. So that they don't sit next to each other. So, there were solutions. But we played it safe. First, we play for one or two players. We thought about the negative outcome first. Yes. Not the solution for the negative outcome. Yes. That is right. That is well put. So, that was one. Secondly, when we were facing all these issues in Rummy, you said... First, you asked that... Bhavin, someone asked you whether it is right or wrong. So because we got a lot of such questions, we didn't play other games. Right? Thinking that until we get clarity, we won't play other games. 
Because there is clarity in this, but still there are so many issues. So that was another mistake. We played it too safe. There are a lot of people who pushed boundaries there. And then they got favourable results. that saying, fortune favors the brave. It's not that we didn't do good things, that we didn't show bravery, that we didn't, like our fantasy sports product, the learning that we got, and the way we have grown, that, according to me, is quite praiseworthy. But, the point is that, there are such things, which we should have done earlier, Ya toh phir jinn ke baare mein humne negatively pehle socha aur isle nahi kiya. Aur unse kaafi seekh mili hai. Aapke investors the shurwaad sa? The, pehle se the. 
Humare angel investors the. Jo yeh bahut rare hai baat. Us zaman mein. Us zaman mein. Rare toh wo ek baat hai ki us zaman mein the. But usse bhi rare yeh baat hai ki wo sab aaj bhi invested hai. Kisi ne divest nahi kiya. Kisi ne apna share becha nahi. Kewki unko... That was the faith and confidence in our team. How much money did you raise? In the very early days, we didn't raise that much. When we started, we raised only 50 lakh rupees. How many angels were there? There was only one angel at that time. No, there were two. We raised from them. After that, we slowly raised some more money. But in 2012, Tiger Global invested. Okay. So, Tiger Global invested in 2012. 
I want to hear this story. Before that, I would like to ask you that, hypothetically, if you were Gen Z and if you were starting a business today, would your approach be different? The approach is not different. Same. Because the reason is that, first of all, who is the champion of your business? Those people who know you. 18 years ago, Tiger Global doesn't give me money because they don't know me. But, if I had an angel investor whom I met in a forum, or his friends, who would give me a reference, would say about me, that these people are doing something good, let's invest some money in them. So, your first step is always people who you know, or angel investors. We are Mumbai Angels or all these different angel groups. 
We approached everyone. But the thing is that if someone doesn't know you. Nothing has happened to him. So it's nothing. It's difficult. It won't happen. So did you approach Tiger Global or did they approach you? So that story is a little interesting. What happened in that is that we had an angel investor. A manager in Tiger Global knew him very well. He told him. He talked to him, then he talked to us. He liked what we were doing. He liked us as people. That, in my opinion, is very important. The investor will see what the opportunity and potential of your business is. But he also sees how you are. Because eventually they are investing that money on you. So this is very important. 
When you talk about Gen Z, it is very important that they convince their investors. But also convince them not only why their product is good, but why they should invest in them. Like here investors... They are playing my 11 circle. With possible candidates. Whether your score will be good or not. That's the logic. So they liked you. Then the money came. You raised money. We raised money. But we... Someone told us a very good thing. That the best time to raise money is when you don't need it. It's quite counter intuitive. that the best time to raise money is when you don't need money. Why? The reason is that you will get good terms. If you need money, then the investor will bully you a little. 
They will squeeze you. You will get money on their terms. But if you don't need money and your business is doing well, So you can also scale with the same mentality. Yes, absolutely. You can also scale. You can be more aggressive. Here the logic according to me is that make a profitable business first. These people forget. Correct. Correct. Then if you have a profitable business. Then people will be interested. You don't even need to raise money because your business is generating money with which you will be able to run the business. I think people know these days that profitability is the key. Absolutely. In the last two years, I think a lot of people have opened their eyes. I think there has been a lot of difference and a lot of benefit. 
We can name companies like Byju's. What kind of bullying has happened? What kind of PR has been created? People have now understood that if you want to build a company, the idea should be profitable. When you get VC money, They say that VCs also put pressure on you. They become your bosses in a way. So here you left your economics degree and started a startup. Usually in startups, the mentality is not that you will also have a boss. And many people don't go to VCs because of this. What is the truth of VCs? Now you will think that I am singing the same tune again. I am playing the same record again and again. But I will tell you that One, you are right. 
But I will also say that our VCs, we are very lucky that our VCs are very supportive and very good. This is subjective. This is subjective. This is a matter of fate. You can get good VCs and sometimes you can't get good VCs. My mentor once told me that VC funding is like dating. And you have to check in the first meetings whether you want to work with them or not. The vibe that exists, the long-term relationship is an extension of that vibe. But Ranveer, it happens in an ideal situation. If you do need money, then you don't judge how these people are. I mean, if you want to do anything and get married, So your standards are not that high. So if you have to raise money, then you don't think this. 
So ideally, what your mentor is saying is right, that both have to evaluate each other. That investor is good for the company and company is good for the investor. Not one way. But because startups and entrepreneurs are under so much pressure, they don't think this. And they can't think about it. Because they have to do something to raise money so that they can go to the next phase. And what you are saying is absolutely correct. If there was a profitable business from the beginning, then maybe they wouldn't get caught in that trap. Tell us about the worst phase. The worst phase, according to me, is when after COVID, because a lot of people started playing and because there was no clarity, many states banned the game. 
At that time, we saw that our revenue decreased a lot. But it is the same, persistence. If you know that you are doing the right thing, If you know that you haven't done anything wrong, then it will take time. But hopefully if your luck is good, then the problems will go away. Till now, whatever I have talked to you, I know that you are just writing the basics. You are a good person. Obviously, you have been working consistently for 18 years. And you see everything through team mentality. I think this is all it takes, honestly. But this is theoretical. Absolutely. Practically speaking, luck plays a role. Luck plays a lot of role. Second, this is also important that you get such situations in your life where you feel that this is not right. 
This is wrong. But you don't have data. You mean to say decision-wise? Yes. It's not just data. It's actually true that it's just my thinking. Subjective versus objective. Whether it's an objective issue or a subjective issue that I'm the only one feeling it. And this happens many times because your experiences have been built after many years. And based on some of those experiences, if someone does something, you don't like it. Uh... And sometimes you don't ask why he did that. Or why I didn't like it. Now I am telling you this because the team or the entire entity of Games 24x7, we get these situations a lot of times. That is it going well or not? Is the team performing well or not? 
And you'll have to be objective many times here. Right? That I look at the data. Keep my thoughts aside. There's no point in thinking. Right? I'll give a little context to the audience. A business owner is like a sportsman. You always have to take decisions and you have to plan your next move. Absolutely. You're saying it from that perspective. I'm saying it from that perspective. And this is what I want to say to the audience. That even here, What we do a lot of times is, in English we call it preconceived notions. What is in our mind, we give a lot of importance to that thing and take decisions on that thing. Whereas decisions should be taken on data, should be taken objectively. 
And this too, as a company, Games 24x7, according to me, and I am saying this with full humility, that it has been done a little well. Always take decisions through data. We are very objective in our decision making. And this has happened because of that. That the data was right, but actually, subjectively, something was wrong. But we didn't change that. This has also happened. But that is luck. You cannot change your principles. Sometimes, the data-based decision turned out to be wrong. Yes. Yes. But still you take a data-based decision. Absolutely. Because 99 times out of 100, 99 out of 100, data-based decisions are right. What is not right once, we call it bad luck. So luck is on both sides, good and bad. 
So if I celebrate my good luck, that I had good luck, So then we should also understand that when all these bans are happening, it is bad luck in a way. But still keep moving forward. Keep moving forward. Because what is in your hands, you just have to work hard. This luck is not in your hands. At the end of the podcast, I would just like to ask you that all our people, the people who are building products, the businesses, whatever you have said, do you want to say anything else to them? A thought that I can leave with them is that you have had a lot of issues in your life. And will come. A lot of good things have happened to you. 
And will happen. But the most important thing is that you are in the present moment. You be thankful. Express gratitude. Because whatever is happening with you today, there are a lot of things happening in the background that you don't know about. Our tendency is that we hold on to what is bad with us. It happened because of me. Yes, it happened because of me. Either my fate is bad, or... He did injustice to me. But when something good happens, we don't think, why did this happen? We just hear, I did it, that's why it's so good with me. It's my hard work, it's mine, it's mine. So everyone should keep this in mind, according to me. And I try to say, when bad things happen to us, we think, why did this happen? 
And why did this happen to me? And it shouldn't have happened. But when good things happen, then only think about it. Then only think that this happened with you. You are lucky or you must have done something right. And learn from that. Express gratitude for that. Be happy with that. Say thank you for that. And move on. It was fun talking to you. It was fun learning from you. Thank you Ranveer. Basically, you have shared the basics. But people don't understand that Basics are needed in the long term. And people give up because of a lack of patience. I feel that we, all of us, the human race, overcomplicate things for a long time. We think a lot about when, what and how it will happen. 
When in reality, there is no point in thinking about it now. Because it is not in our control. Whatever is in your control, like basic, you do that. Then the result that has to come, it has to come anyway. I am very happy to meet an entrepreneur like BP. On one hand, I also get mentoring and the audience also gets mentoring. So thank you for your time. I wish you all the luck. Thank you so much. I am saying this as a compliment that this is just your beginning. Based on the internet growing in India plus based on gaming growing. I feel that your journey is very long now. I'm sure you feel the same way. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. And because you're so happy after 18 years, I'm sure you'll have a happy journey. 
Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your presence. Thank you. People have learned a lot from you today. Thank you. Thank you. So, friends, this was today's business-oriented story. I like such podcasts because I believe that entrepreneurs are the best entrepreneurs Intellectual warriors. Many people just sit at home and give knowledge. On the internet, in the comment section. Some people do this on social media too. But if you are really an intellectual, then intellectualism, the biggest test of the mind, according to me, is business. And very few Indians have seen so much success in the business world. This was Bhavan Bhai's story. Please go and follow him on social media too. Because this is the era of entrepreneurs. 
We should celebrate entrepreneurs on social media and in the world of podcasts, in the world of YouTube. PRS will be back with lots more business and entrepreneurship themed.