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As with Fox Kids being replaced by Fox Box/4KidsTV/Game Station/whatever the hell they call it next, Kids WB has been morphed into another 4Kids block: CW4K!DS

This talkback is for discussion on how you feel about the change, about the new bumpers, and overall the new look.

Here is the first CW4K!DS schedule:

07:00 AM Will & Dewitt - Fair Factor; Draw
07:30 AM Magi-Nation - Enemy in the Sands
08:00 AM Skunk Fu! - The Art of Truffling; The Art of Patience
08:30 AM Tom & Jerry Tales - Way Off Broadway; Egg Beats; Cry Uncle
09:00 AM Tom & Jerry Tales - Joy Riding Jokers; Cat Got Your Luggage?; City Dump Chumps
09:30 AM The Spectacular Spider-Man - Market Forces
10:00 AM The Spectacular Spider-Man - Reaction
10:30 AM World of Quest - Rash to Judgment; Harvest Day (NEW)
11:00 AM Johnny Test - Here Johnny, Here Boy; Johnny Applesauce
11:30 AM Eon Kid - A Warrior is Born

Discuss. :sweat:
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Well, I wish there was a new Spider-Man airing, but alas, no such luck. Gotta wait until next week.

Wonder what type of bumpers they'll use.

EDIT: Okay, so the bumps are exactly the same, just with the new logo. Except they don't use the Kids' WB water tower bumps.

And TMNT: Fast Forward joins CW4Kids on June 21st.
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So, it looks like kids who only have CW4Kids instead of 4KidsTV will get to experience the phenomenon known to Wikipedia members as "British Serling". :anime:
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Well all the bumpers are the same right now, though I do expect it to change wen 4Kids fully takes over in the Fall.

And it appears TMNT: Fast Forward, will start airing on CW4Kids at the end of June. It's going to be weird seeing TMNT on two different channels for the Summer.

Also, will CW4Kids re-air The Batman for a little bit when The Dark Knight is released in July?
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I just hope 4Kids doesn't pull The Spectacular Spider-Man off the schedule, that show's good and the only thing I watch on Kids WB! anymore.
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I just hope 4Kids doesn't pull The Spectacular Spider-Man off the schedule, that show's good and the only thing I watch on Kids WB! anymore.

Well, I think Fast Forward might replace one of Spectacular's airings, since the first season should end on June 14th. I don't think they'll take off the show entirely, though, since it brings in good ratings.
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Is 4kidsTV keeping classic TMNT while CW4kids airs Fast Forward? Also how are they going to do this with two blocks. Whats 4kids plans to make CW4kids and 4kids TV different?
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I just hope 4Kids doesn't pull World of Quest until they can run through the thirteen episodes one more time. I'm starting to really like that show, and I want to record all the episodes before it disappears completely. :sad:

(I'm predicting they will run through World of Quest completely at least one more time, since thirteen weeks would bring it to mid-September, which also looks like when they'll air the final Eon Kid episodes if the current schedule holds up).
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I just hope they get through World of Quest once through. If they don't even finish all 13 I'll be mad since I like this show so much.
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I could actually see them replacing 1 of the 2 Tom and Jerry Tales over Spectacular Spider-Man. Or maybe they'll surprise us and replace Eon Kid or Jonny Test. I guess it makes since to start Fast Forward in June if the new Ninja Turtles series is truly debuting on The CW 4K!ds this fall.
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Sonic_Eclipse said:
Also, will CW4Kids re-air The Batman for a little bit when The Dark Knight is released in July?
I hope so
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Fast Forward was an okay show, but it's already received a whole bunch of airtime between the Fall of 2006 and the earlier part of this year. Also, the episodes are available for viewing on 4kids' website as well as on DVD. I think it's a bit too soon to be airing the show again...but maybe that's just me, I'm not sure. :sad:
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TMNT on two different channels?

4kids is crazy, as usual.
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Well not THAT crazy. Actually I think this is a good strategy (assuming they aren't on at the same time). They will probably double slot Fast Forward on CW4kids in order to refresh the current TMNT viewers to lead-up to the new season in Fall. They also will be able to hook some viewers that didn't have 4kidsTV in their area but do have CW4kids. Though admitedly FF may not be good for hooking new viewers compared to the 2003 series on 4kidsTV but in the meantime they play 2003 episodes as a follow-up to the Ninja Tribunal because going from Tribunal to FF probably would feel a bit odd. But if they really are going to skip around then they'll probably hit the highlights of several seasons.

This way all of TMNT before Back to the Sewers gets showcased in some form. I don't know if I could sit through Fast Forward again but I can understand why they put it on CW4kids and had the 2003 series on 4kidsTV. If all goes according to plan TMNT should be able to gain a lot of viewers over the summer and have a strong season in 2008-2009 despite the movie being out of sight and out of mind (which we all know is the real reason FF got a ratings rise and why the Ninja Tribunal did as well as it did).

I'm going to toss my hat in the direction of Tom and Jerry losing a slot as well. But Eon Kid is the weakest show in reruns right now I suppose (but it still has a few episodes it could show before it's over so I hope they at least do that). Spider-Man will keep two slots if it continues to do well in reruns. If not then it'll lose one. Skunk Fu might leave since it's coming to CN but they might keep it around because of Kung-Fu Panda. The 7 hour is going to stay the same I'm sure so I'll take a guess what the rest of the line-up will be when TMNT: FF joins.

08:00 - Skunk Fu (or Johnny Test)
08:30 - Tom and Jerry Tales
09:00 - Tom and Jerry Tales (or World of Quest if two Spidey)
09:30 - The Spectacular Spider-Man (or World of Quest if two T&J)
10:00 - The Spectacular Spider-Man
10:30 - Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward (CW4kids premiere)
11:00 - Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward (CW4kids premiere)
11:30 - Eon Kid (hopefully the final few episodes or World of Quest if two T&J and two Spidey or Skunk and JT both stay)

Needless to say, lots of variables but I'm very confident that Fast Forward will get an hour at least initially.
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Well not THAT crazy. Actually I think this is a good strategy (assuming they aren't on at the same time). They will probably double slot Fast Forward on CW4kids in order to refresh the current TMNT viewers to lead-up to the new season in Fall. They also will be able to hook some viewers that didn't have 4kidsTV in their area but do have CW4kids. Though admitedly FF may not be good for hooking new viewers compared to the 2003 series on 4kidsTV but in the meantime they play 2003 episodes as a follow-up to the Ninja Tribunal because going from Tribunal to FF probably would feel a bit odd. But if they really are going to skip around then they'll probably hit the highlights of several seasons.

This way all of TMNT before Back to the Sewers gets showcased in some form. I don't know if I could sit through Fast Forward again but I can understand why they put it on CW4kids and had the 2003 series on 4kidsTV. If all goes according to plan TMNT should be able to gain a lot of viewers over the summer and have a strong season in 2008-2009 despite the movie being out of sight and out of mind (which we all know is the real reason FF got a ratings rise and why the Ninja Tribunal did as well as it did).
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You know what....I never even gave that any thought at all. That's a very good point you've made, and I now realize that this would definitely be good move to make, especially to attact more viewers to the Turtles. When I got to first reading this, I was thinking only about how much it had already been shown, and not about those who've never seen the series due to their area only having the CW, but not FOX, where the other 4kidsTV airs.

I was into it for a little while, which was why I am still currently using this username I made up last year. Now I'm starting to catch up again with the 2k3 series, since I've been away from the Turtles for a long, long time and have never really seen all of it. The show I grew up with mostly was the 80s show, and that's still my favorite. :) I'm also quite excited about the new series in the Fall.
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CartoonOverlord said:
I just hope 4Kids doesn't pull The Spectacular Spider-Man off the schedule, that show's good and the only thing I watch on Kids WB! anymore.
Doubtful. What I'm really worried about is how 4Kids is going to dictate the show's direction to Greg Weisman for upcoming seasons. We finally got a Spider Man series that caters more to the fans and we don't need any more restrictions and ludicrous gimmicks that killed off the past two series!
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Dark Fact said:
Doubtful. What I'm really worried about is how 4Kids is going to dictate the show's direction to Greg Weisman for upcoming seasons. We finally got a Spider Man series that caters more to the fans and we don't need any more restrictions and ludicrous gimmicks that killed off the past two series!

Even if that happened, they can always include scenes that couldn't make it on the broadcast on the DVD.
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Which may happen more often than not. I'm not entirely sure what 4Kids' relationship is with Greg Weisman but I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping a distance from him after the TMNT episode: Same As It Never Was.
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Dark Fact said:
Doubtful. What I'm really worried about is how 4Kids is going to dictate the show's direction to Greg Weisman for upcoming seasons. We finally got a Spider Man series that caters more to the fans and we don't need any more restrictions and ludicrous gimmicks that killed off the past two series!

4Kids better not try to turn Spider-Man into the movie Batman & Robin. Why? Because I'd rather not see Spider-Man as something just campy as that movie.
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Movie06 said:
4Kids better not try to turn Spider-Man into the movie Batman & Robin. Why? Because I'd rather not see Spider-Man as something just campy as that movie.
Considering that that movie went against EVERYTHING Hollywood wanted when they originally brought Batman to the big screen, I doubt we'll see a mistake like that happen again.

Besides, Sony and Marvel are in charge of the Spider Man flicks, not 4Kids.

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Dark Fact said:
Besides, Sony and Marvel are in charge of the Spider Man flicks, not 4Kids.

Oh, that's right. But what if 4Kids somehow brainwashed both Sony and Marvel?
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Movie06 said:
Oh, that's right. But what if 4Kids somehow brainwashed both Sony and Marvel?

Why are you getting so paranoid? That's not going to happen and you know it.
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Movie06 said:
Oh, that's right. But what if 4Kids somehow brainwashed both Sony and Marvel?

I highly doubt that would happen.

*Just why are they airing Fast Forward again? 0_o Wasn't it already replayed to death a while go?
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Movie06 said:
Oh, that's right. But what if 4Kids somehow brainwashed both Sony and Marvel?
There is an image macro somewhere that would really fit this quote. But...I don't know where it is. :(
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Mugen said:
Why are you getting so paranoid? That's not going to happen and you know it.

I know but it's just that I'm kind of worried at what 4Kids will possibly do.
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I'm still watching World of Quest, and it has had its one or two moments, but overall I think it continues to squander its potential. (Writers need to be replaced for sure, and the show's producer as well, for said squandering). I'm thinking it'll finish its initial run, but I'd be surprised if season 2 appears here in the States.

I'm wondering if Skunk Fu is a possible survivor simply because of the upcoming film Kung Fu Panda movie. Maybe the show's creators hope some of that film's possible success will rub off on them?

I can't believe that CWKids won't try to hang onto Tom and Jerry. Personally I don't care for it, but I can see it's a hit with its target audience, so why would CW let it go?
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So... All these changes are so far Cosmetic? Okay that fine, but when are they going to develop their own little graphics.

Also I found it weird to see the logo on the corner of my screen. To me it felt like I was watching it in a different country.
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Dark Fact said:
Which may happen more often than not. I'm not entirely sure what 4Kids' relationship is with Greg Weisman but I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping a distance from him after the TMNT episode: Same As It Never Was.

Who knows after all a good amount of the TMNT 2K3 writers were also Gargoyles writers. Maybe they could come together and have more Gargoyles writers on Spectacular in Later seasons. That includes Marty Isenberg who actually wrote Future Tense. While Isenberg did not write SaiNW it's not too much of a stretch if he helped out.

Also why would that episode make Greg want to keep his distance? Because he made a comment that an episode like Future Tense could not be made today and then TMNT 2003 showed that it could? I would think he would be happy that he was wrong in that case.

Movie06 said:
Oh, that's right. But what if 4Kids somehow brainwashed both Sony and Marvel?

If Sony, Marvel, and Greg Weisman have even half the Will power of Mirage and Peter Laird then there is nothing to worry about.
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Did they cancel "Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue"? Why are they double-running Tom & Jerry Kids & Spider-Man? They've got enough shows where they don't need to double run anything. Don't say it's because of ratings because that is a lame excuse.
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hobbyfan said:
Did they cancel "Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue"? Why are they double-running Tom & Jerry Kids & Spider-Man? They've got enough shows where they don't need to double run anything. Don't say it's because of ratings because that is a lame excuse.

It seems that Warner canceled all their series (Tom & Jerry Tales, Shaggy & Scooby-Doo, Legion, The Batman). As for why they're doubling Tom & Jerry and Spectacular Spider-Man, yes, it's because of ratings. That's how TV scheduling is dictated, so I guess you better get use to it as an excuse.
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Did they cancel "Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue"?

Just to clarify something, while it WAS canceled, you should be happy it at least got a proper series finale (actually, I love that WB actually took the time to give proper finales to ALL of their plot-centered shows that they canceled this year. Nearly all other companies would never have done this due to that "fear kids might become sad" crap).
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With the debut of CW 4 Kids formerly Kids WB on CW:
* Same schedule, only 1 new episode - World of Quest.
* If the 2 4 Kids stations get the different TMNT shows (1980's-1990's TMNT on 4 Kids TV and current TMNT on CW 4 Kids), how about the 2 4 Kids stations airing the different Sonic shows (1993 Sonic SAT AM on CW 4 Kids and current Sonic X on 4 Kids TV)?
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dth1971 said:
* If the 2 4 Kids stations get the different TMNT shows (1980's-1990's TMNT on 4 Kids TV and current TMNT on CW 4 Kids), how about the 2 4 Kids stations airing the different Sonic shows (1993 Sonic SAT AM on CW 4 Kids and current Sonic X on 4 Kids TV)?
4Kids is never getting the original 80's-90's TMNT series. Ever.

Sonic X is an online exclusive now, as it ceased production a while ago.

And SATAM is DiC, nothing to do with 4Kids, so don't count on that happening.
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dth1971 said:
* If the 2 4 Kids stations get the different TMNT shows (1980's-1990's TMNT on 4 Kids TV and current TMNT on CW 4 Kids), how about the 2 4 Kids stations airing the different Sonic shows (1993 Sonic SAT AM on CW 4 Kids and current Sonic X on 4 Kids TV)?

...Where the hell are you getting the idea that 4Kids is airing the original TMNT series? They'll never touch that series.
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dth1971 said:
With the debut of CW 4 Kids formerly Kids WB on CW:
* Same schedule, only 1 new episode - World of Quest.
* If the 2 4 Kids stations get the different TMNT shows (1980's-1990's TMNT on 4 Kids TV and current TMNT on CW 4 Kids), how about the 2 4 Kids stations airing the different Sonic shows (1993 Sonic SAT AM on CW 4 Kids and current Sonic X on 4 Kids TV)?

My Goodness.................please.
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#36
Movie06 said:
I know but it's just that I'm kind of worried at what 4Kids will possibly do.

I seriously doubt that 4Kids would brainwash, as you put it, Sony and Marvel since they both seem to have much more say in the movies than 4Kids ever would. In other words, it isn't going to happen so there's no need to worry.

Anyway, it seems like they've barely made any changes with the CW4Kids. I do think that airing Fast Forword is a good move on their part. While that whole season aired like three times before and is already on DVD, it does give the people who haven't seen them on 4KidsTV a chance to see the most recent season before they head on with the new season this fall. I do agree that it might also be better if they aired some of the other seasons since that would give the viewers a better idea of the quality of TMNT, but hopefully the new season will show them that as well.

I don't know which repeat slot they'll get rid of for this airing of Fast Forward. I have a feeling that it will either be Spiderman or Tom and Jerry, depending on which one has overall better ratings.
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Light Lucario said:
I don't know which repeat slot they'll get rid of for this airing of Fast Forward. I have a feeling that it will either be Spiderman or Tom and Jerry, depending on which one has overall better ratings.

It'll probably be Spider-Man's 9:30 slot, since Tom and Jerry still gets the highest ratings on the block.
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veemonjosh said:
It'll probably be Spider-Man's 9:30 slot, since Tom and Jerry still gets the highest ratings on the block.
Agreed, it'd also be safer if they did it that way or else we'll end up with another Fast Forward situation were the shows 13 episodes get rerun to death.
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veemonjosh said:
It'll probably be Spider-Man's 9:30 slot, since Tom and Jerry still gets the highest ratings on the block.
Tom & Jerry may get the highest ratings, but it has also aired all its episodes, and it has aired the epsodes more often than Spidey already. If it is going to end up on CN, then it would be one of the first shows 4K!ds targets to take off.
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Agreed, it'd also be safer if they did it that way or else we'll end up with another Fast Forward situation were the shows 13 episodes get rerun to death.
The only problem there is Spectacular has 26 episodes, not 13. The other 13 weren't scheuled to air until fall, but that is always subject to change since a different company has taken over the block. Also, summer is the time when reruns run rampant anyway, with the exception of CN, so it'll make no difference that they rerun a lot of episodes.

Then again they could always surprise us and air TMNT Fast Forward from 9-10 replacing reruns of one slot of Spidey and T&JT, Also, I have the new lineup, Chaotic and YGOGX are coming and, you may wanna sit down. 3 out of the following are dead: Skunk Fu, Johnny Test, Eon Kid and World of Quest, Tomorrow I will tell you what's staying, Write the forum convo with him explaining this, and how we react