Welcome to Business Matters. My name is <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED_PERSON>. I am your host today. Stepping in for Horace Brood, who is having a weather break. So my guests this morning are Norman Kwok from Dragon Peak Properties. Good morning, Charlie. And can I just say thanks again for inviting me? It really is terrific to be here. I'm a big fan of your show. And with us also today is Ann Lam from the environmental group Green Treasure. Good morning. Well, we've been hearing some very interesting things about the Jade Islands development. Perhaps, Norman, you could begin by telling us something about it. Well, Charlie, Jade Islands is just finished and it's amazing. It's taken us only four years to finish it. Can you imagine that? Only four years to build. I must say I'm very proud of that. Only four years? Wow. And how many people are living there? There are now 6,000 people on Jade Islands. And may I say 6,000 very happy people living there, according to a recent survey. Well, maybe not completely happy, Norman. Some of those 6,000 did complain about some problems, didn't they? I heard about the beaches and, um, litter. Oh, Ann, you mean the litter on the beaches? You know it's not our fault. Really? How is the litter not your problem? Everyone knows that beaches in Hong Kong get a lot of litter. But it's litter from the sea, from when it rains. Ann, you're the environmental expert. Is that true? Does the rain wash a lot of litter into the sea? Yes, it's true, I'm afraid. When it rains, the litter washes into the sea, and then later it ends up on the beaches. Unfortunately, it's a common problem around the world. Maybe we can move on. Ann, you have another question for Norman, this time about his plans for the new mall in Golden Flower Island. Yes, thanks, Charlie. Um, Norman, are media reports true that you plan to build an enormous waterfall in Golden Flower Adventure Mall? Yes, I can confirm that the Golden Flower Adventure Mall will have a whole range of exciting features and activities for our customers to enjoy. And this will include a 40-meter waterfall. Can you imagine standing at the bottom of a 40-meter high waterfall? That does sound impressive, I must admit. Nevertheless, I'd like to take you back to 2012, when DPP, your company, were building a similar center in the UK. Can you comment on the problems that DPP had with this similar project as the Highland Adventure Center in Dice in the UK? I'm not— Maybe I can refresh your memory. The Highland Adventure Center in the UK was the one where you built a waterfall. But it was found that the waterfall caused clouds to form in the shopping center. And once these clouds had formed, it was discovered that they interfered with the electricity supply, and this then caused a power failure. Well, what happened then? So, wait, you're saying that at this adventure center in the UK, the waterfall was the cause of a power failure because the water turned into clouds inside the building? Yes, that's exactly what happened. And I want to know, and I'm sure the general public would want to know as well, is this going to happen at the Golden Flower Island Mall? No, ma'am. Ah, thanks, Anne, for bringing this up. I'd just like to reassure your listeners that we learned from what happened at the Highland Adventure Center in the UK, and we will carry what we learned into the Golden Flower Adventure Mall so that it will not happen again. Okay, I'd just like to go back to Jade Islands. Would you say Jade Islands is a good place for parents to raise children? Yes, Charlie, it really is. It is a very safe place for children, and I'll tell you why. There are no roads and rails on the street level of Jade Islands. All road and rail links are underground. This means all of the streets on Jade Islands are for pedestrians. No traffic at all. I didn't realize all streets were pedestrianized. That means children can play outdoors if there is no traffic on the roads, presumably. Absolutely. If streets are pedestrianized, then kids can run around and have fun safely. You know, Anne, I just want to say I respect what your group does, and Dragon Peak are very respectful of nature. Okay, speaking of which, maybe we could go back to the development on Golden Flower Island. I know, Anne, you have some more concerns you'd like to bring up. Yes. What you need to know, Anne, is that Golden Flower Island is a special place to us, and we have to protect it. And we are going to protect it. I love flowers, Anne, especially orchids, and we are going to protect the orchids and the butterflies on the island. Okay, perhaps, Nolan, you could tell our listeners some of the measures you have taken. Well, for a start, we employ a firm of environmental consultants, and we will be following their recommendations. Okay, so could you give us a specific example of what your consultants suggested? Well, the first thing they said was that 50% of the island should be maintained as a protected area and left as a nature park. But you know what? I said to my team, I said, 50%? That's not enough. We need to leave as much as we can of this beautiful island untouched. So I said, 50%? No. Let's commit to keeping 70% of the island as a nature park. And that's what my team worked with from then on. Okay, well, that sounds pretty encouraging. Yeah, well, if you're committed, you're committed, Charlie. And another idea they gave us is to put up a wall of vegetation. A wall of vegetables? Ha ha ha ha ha! No, I said a wall of vegetation. You know, like trees and other plants. We will use this natural wall to keep out noise and light pollution. Charlie, you look confused. No, well, yes. So I'm trying to envisage where this wall will be. Okay, so you can imagine the Golden Flower Adventure Mall. So, unavoidably, it will produce a certain amount of noise and light pollution. Well, the wall of vegetation will be between the shopping mall and the nature park. So that the butterflies are not disturbed. Exactly, Anne. Thank you. So that the butterflies are not disturbed. And you know what else, Anne? The experts we consulted said no vehicles and roads either. And we agree. There will be no buses, no cars, no trains. Just beautiful paths to walk on in Golden Flower Island. Well, that's great to hear too, Norman. And very reassuring. No vehicles and no roads is very important. If you don't want to disturb the butterflies. Well, that's the end of the show for today. So thank you all for listening. And thank you, Norman. And to you, Anne, for coming in. That is the end of the listening component of...(the feedback o their initial concept plan for Golden Flower Adventure Mall