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8 hr. ago
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How soon do you think the the tech bros conquer healthcare?
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Hi everyone,

I'm a medical doctor and I've been thinking about how rapidly the tech industry is moving to disrupt healthcare. With figures like Bill Gates making recent comments on this topic, I'm curious about your thoughts.

It feels like tech billionaires with unlimited resources who no longer need to focus on coding (now that AI is handling much of it) are increasingly turning their attention to healthcare disruption.

When I discuss this with colleagues, I often hear the standard response: "AI won't replace doctors, but doctors using AI will replace those who don't." Honestly, I think we're already past this point in the conversation.

The disruption seems to be accelerating beyond just AI-assisted medicine. We're seeing unprecedented investment in healthcare tech, novel treatment approaches, and attempts to reimagine the entire system.

What's your timeline for significant tech-driven healthcare disruption? How do you see this playing out over the next 5-10 years?

I'm particularly interested in hearing from both tech and healthcare professionals about where you see the most promising (or concerning) intersections.
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8h ago

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D1N0F7Y
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8h ago

Finally. Doctors make too many mistakes. They lack pure scientific background and are dominated by their biases leading to suboptimal healthcare decision. Finally we would get rid of unwarranted variation
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synthwavve
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7h ago

Not to mention those who stubbornly prescribe certain products 'because they know them well' (aka got paid to do it), or those who prescribe inferior shit just to make sure they see you again next week
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looktowindward
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7h ago

My brother in law would prescribe a certain common GI drug with an OTC equivalent that we KNOW does the exact same thing. I asked him what criteria he used to know when to order one vs other other. He got angry and said "he just knew". In other words, he was full of shit.
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Special_Associate_25
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1h ago

To play devil's advocate here, sometimes the prescription version is cheaper than the OTC depending on how much insurance covers.
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looktowindward
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58m ago

My BiL had no clue about that. I do know what you're talking about, though
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Fitbot5000
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1h ago

lol you think pharma won’t be subsidizing these LLMs?
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synthwavve
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40m ago

Maybe in the US but there's still democracy and oversight in the rest of the world where this might be a transparent process
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ReallyMisanthropic
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8h ago

I'm working on AI products for the legal field. Law and medicine are really great uses for AI, and a great benefit for society.

AI is already showing diagnostic accuracy higher than average general practitioners. It obviously is not going to replace everyone, but will create a nice cheap way to for people to avoid ER or hospital trips and overwhelm already busy systems, and also let them know accurately when an ER may be necessary. Medical experts will, like people in most fields, need to shift more to the things AI cannot do well, especially the stuff that requires equipment only in hospitals.

Not to mention, AI will help free up their time by automated a lot of insurance coding and shit like that which consumes a lot of time.
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Independent_Tap_2455
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7h ago

Do people really think "they"/the elite/techbros are going to give them some universal basic income and let them live happy lives? Are they all of a sudden going to be generous with healthcare too?
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lavaggio-industriale
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7h ago
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Are they really trustworthy? ChatGPT keeps saying BS to me
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ReallyMisanthropic
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6h ago

ChatGPT and all chat bots like it are general purpose AI not suitable for specialized tasks like medical advise.

For example with my legal AI product, I have a curated database of statutes and judicial opinions. The AI queries it whenever it needs. Its system prompts are all law-focused, ensuring it's aware of key facts like jurisdiction, action type, dates. It makes sure to fetch laws that were in effect on those dates, as well as any relevant judicial opinions in that jurisdiction, and shit like that.

Gemini and ChatGPT and such have search-augmented answers which are generally okay, but with specific knowledge sets, relying on general search engine results are very unpredictable.

You can have AI iterate on itself to double-check things too. And it can also be directed to make sure users are told to seek an expert if it's not sure about something. But it works pretty damn well.
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jh462
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11m ago

Is it a RAG system?
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ReallyMisanthropic
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5m ago

Definitely, almost everything uses RAG to some degree. The retrieval part is a challenge to do well though.
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No-Wonder6969
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2h ago

ChatGPT is an LLM and already does a better job with basic medical advice. Specialised AI designed for medical advice will do much better.
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DeliciousZone9767
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8h ago

I am a hospital based doc. Also have a undiagnosable/ untreatable phantom illness. So I’ve been on both sides quite a bit as of late.

Assuming that a quality AI product can be made, and patients accept it, both are not a given. There is a huge sticky situation around licensure and liability. I imagine the same in law. It is one thing to create an AI tool that docs and APPs can use. It is another game entirely to replace the provider with the AI, and have the AI gain licensure and liability.
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BigPPZrUs
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7h ago

I feel ya brother. Phantom pain behind my pancreas that practically ruins my life and not one doctor has ever even pretended to care beyond the first visit. It’s beyond frustrating living in the US. I don’t blame the doctors as much as insurance and the system. I’ve refused to get my hopes up and think my life and pain could be different but, AI is the only thing keeping me going another day.
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lmfmaj7
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6h ago

Don’t give up. I’ve being there.
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DeliciousZone9767
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7h ago

Dude, that sounds brutal. My phantom is fucking up my brain. So I’m out of work. And if my post is dumb…
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pinksunsetflower
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3h ago

Sorry to hear about your illness. If this is too personal, no problem. And maybe this sounds dumb, but I was curious if ChatGPT was able to provide information about your illness.
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looktowindward
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7h ago

I don't think the goal is even to replace the provider. As you said, no one is willing to assume the liability. No one is willing to FUND such a startup.

The goal is to empower and magnify. And to reduce/eliminate mistakes.

Now, if I worked in medical insurance coding, I would be VERY worried.
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DeliciousZone9767
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7h ago

Title of the post…
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TheMightyTywin
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7h ago

Less than 5 years. ChatGPT can already diagnose better than any doctor I’ve been to - mostly that’s because ChatGPT has infinite patient and will listen to your life story which real doctors don’t have the time for.

Once they make AI trained only on medical sources that doesn’t hallucinate, people will flock to it.

I’m guessing legal issues will be the main barrier - can an AI prescribe drugs for example?
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looktowindward
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7h ago

Medicine has been disrupted by tech many times. I think OP's beef is that it might impact his rice bowl.

OP, what if all of your insurance coding and record keeping was done by AI? What if you didn't have to go through crazy medical e-records bullshit to order tests or pharma or just take notes? What if you had an assistant who was there to make suggestions when you see something weird or unusual. Or to suggest you read up on a particular condition?

What if the "worried well" didn't clog up ERs with bullshit?

Most folks would like those things.
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reddit455
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7h ago
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    "AI won't replace doctors, but doctors using AI will replace those who don't.

how many mammograms can you memorize... AI has memorized all the mammograms ever taken.. and has memorized case outcome.

AI can find patterns that humans don't.

All You Need to Know About AI-Assisted Mammograms 

https://www.komen.org/blog/ai-assisted-mammogram/

large cancer tumors are easy to spot.. best to get them when they're "invisible to the human eye"

    What's your timeline for significant tech-driven healthcare disruption?

what are the "top 10 common ailments" in urgent care (besides physical injury)... how many things do you tell people to stop by the drug store and get some OTC pill? do you really need to go to urgent care if the "doctor" has 10,000,000 images of poison ivy to compare to the one you just sent in?

do you really need to listen to my lungs.. if the AI has all the lung sounds memorized.. ?

apple watch can already tell if you're in afib...

Apple Watch AFib History Feature Makes Medical Device History
https://www.iqvia.com/blogs/2024/05/apple-watch-afib-history-feature-makes-medical-device-history

sounds like pertussis. better come in.
Cough Sound Detection and Diagnosis Using Artificial Intelligence Techniques: Challenges and Opportunities

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8545201/

maybe you don't need an OR nurse to hand you the things.

Clinical applications of artificial intelligence in robotic surgery

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10907451/

AI modeling is allowing surgeons to have advanced intraoperative metrics such as force and tactile measurements, enhanced detection of positive surgical margins, and even allowing for the complete automation of certain steps in surgical procedures

China reveals the world's first AI hospital with 42 AI doctors

https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/china-first-ai-hospital-42-ai-doctors-2672014325
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Enough-Force-5605
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7h ago

I am the technical director of a company that uses text AI, and among other things, we develop computer vision AI.

My wife works as a software developer in the medical sector.

She has already shown me some professional models that are being implemented in hospitals, and if they ever replace doctors, it will be many years from now.

At the text level, you can always do something, but for example, my wife was told to stop smoking because of pain... and she doesn't smoke.

Real doctor make questions. They do know what to ask. This is a problem for every AI.

Then there's something as simple as computer vision. We're a long way off being able to perform realistic analyses using vision. If we move on to touch, I don't know if we'll ever get there. We can analyse a picture and say "seems to be cancer", but it can't see you and identify your illness. Have an AI that identifies that you are more orange than you should be...

Of course we will always see things, but not of sufficient quality to be able to trust them 100%. And you do need that 100% to replace a doctor.

There's nothing on the horizon to suggest that it will be more than a VERY useful tool.
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Particular_Ad5673
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2h ago

Ever tried deepResearch? It also asks questions. Do you really think an AI is not able to do this?
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sinocelium
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7h ago
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Honestly, soon. I’m from the Netherlands and I think many Dutchies have had the same experience where your GP will literally browse Wikipedia to figure out what’s wrong with you… it’s actually true. So yes, can’t take long before at least the first jobs will be gone
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Ok_Sea_6214
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6h ago

The problem with medicine is that it's a money making industry, especially in the US, that doesn't want us to have a free alternative. Medicine isn't really that hard, it's just a matter of comparing past cases with symptoms (including test results) to figure out what's wrong.

I think it will happen as early at this year that no one will go to doctors anymore, you'll just ask AI, use your phone camera to let it take a look at you, order some cheap test kits online, maybe swallow some nano bots to take a closer look which can also replace surgery and what not. Even hospitals will no longer be needed if you can have a robot nurse at home.

One limitation is that some countries might adopt this sooner than others, for example during Covid certain medications were banned in some countries but over the counter in others. In the same way to say cure cancer overnight Americans might need to travel to Mexico to use an illegal Chinese AI robot that is banned in the US but available in Mexico on the black market. Finding this won't be hard mind you, once in Mexico you can use Tiktok and it'll immediately give you a location.

Sounds crazy but this was a common thing when abortions were/are still illegal. Except this time instead of a drunken quack you'll get the latest Chinese AI bots, who may or may not upload your DNA sequence to Beijing. But hey for a quick and cheap cancer cure, that might be a small price to pay.
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Low_Ad2699
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8h ago

I personally think there will be a big push for it. It’s gearing heavily towards coding because devs make good money. Replacing doctors would be a whole new level of savings
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Medical_Magazine_104
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7h ago

It's just ten years and two breakthroughs away.
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SneakerPimpJesus
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6h ago

the thing is, who is responsible when the AI diagnoses wrong and kills somebody even though their scores are surpassing doctors its going to be interesting
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lciennutx
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6h ago

This

My doctor was dictating our visits via some ai crap and I told her about the possible problems of it replacing important details

I saw her again a month later ish and she stopped using it for that very reason

I personally will never rely 100% on an ai doctor. They can help read charts but I want a human that understands human issues to be involved
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Level_Bridge7683
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3h ago

who's willing to be a tester for ai dentistry?
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MagnificentSlurpee
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3h ago

Hopefully soon. I’m done dealing with doctors. I know more than every single one that I talk to. It’s hilarious. And sad.
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Dances_With_Chocobos
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2h ago

If I were big pharma, how would AI doctors change how I push pills? Easier or more difficult?
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scorchedTV
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2h ago

Queue the tech bros saying "this technology is too important to be constrained by liability. This is the future, think of the lives we will save. Obviously AI companies should not be liable for their agents. The whole industry would collapse if we held them to the same standards we hold doctors"
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Zestyclose-Pay-9572
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2h ago

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