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# 10 Mistakes Buying Lumber (Don't Waste $$$)
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00:00:00.166 Here's ten mistakes to avoid when buyingwood so you don't waste your money.
00:00:04.170 Now, we've all been there.
00:00:05.138 You're excited about a projectand you go into Home
00:00:07.207 Depot or your favorite big box storeto look for that perfect piece of lumber.
00:00:11.311 But you're met with disappointmentas you find a bunch of twisted
00:00:15.181 and warped boards and looks like somedrunk monkeys were playing pickup sticks.
00:00:19.052 The first mistake sounds easy to avoid,but there is a little trick to it,
00:00:22.722 and that is buying warped wood.
00:00:24.991 So typically when you go into the store,
00:00:26.393 you're going to see a lot of thosejust nasty boards sitting out because
00:00:29.396 other people don't want them either.
00:00:30.764 And they're sending them to the sideto look for warping.
00:00:33.199 You just want to look down the boardor sight down the board,
00:00:35.602 as some people call it,look down on the face and then turn it
00:00:38.705 on its edge 90 degreesand then look down the edge.
00:00:41.708 And you should be able to seeif there's anything wrong with the board.
00:00:44.177 This board has probably the most common
00:00:45.512 type of warp to it, and that is a bow,and that is where the face has a warp.
00:00:49.616 But the edge is straight.
00:00:51.284 So if I put it down on the ground, it'sgoing to tear back and forth on that face
00:00:55.121 because it'sjust like a little smiley face.
00:00:57.357 The opposite of a bow is a crookor a crown,
00:01:00.193 and that's where the face is pretty flat.
00:01:01.961 But when you turn it on the edge,it is up.
00:01:04.531 And so if I put it down, there'll be alarge gap there in the middle on one side.
00:01:08.635 Or if I turn it over again, it would rock.
00:01:11.504 The next one is a cup and that'swhen you have a kind of straight size.
00:01:14.240 But there is a dish in the middleand then a crown on the other side.
00:01:17.944 If you have this flat on the ground, it'sgoing to rock back and forth,
00:01:21.247 side to side.
00:01:22.182 The last one is the worst onein. That is a twist.
00:01:24.417 And that's when the board just kind of
00:01:25.718 does a nice little twist,like a little twizzler.
00:01:28.021 And it's the worst because you don'thave a flat edge or a flat face front.
00:01:31.691 And so it's going to take a lotof machining to actually get it flat.
00:01:35.061 You can tell when a board has a twist,if one corner is down and one corner is up
00:01:38.898 and then you push down on itand the opposite corner pops up.
00:01:41.768 There is one final type of warpingthat is kind of elusive to see
00:01:45.538 in the wild, but you can best
00:01:46.639 find it in the big box storesat the smallest lumber sizes.
00:01:49.676 I call this one a wet noodle
00:01:52.612 that's funny
00:01:54.080 is bending and twisting the waysthat only a wet noodle could.
00:01:57.784 So if you do see one of these out in thewild, run away from it as fast as you can.
00:02:02.489 But if those are the only optionsyou have,
00:02:04.224 make sure to stay away from the twist
00:02:05.692 and go with the oneswith the bow or the crook,
00:02:07.627 because those are a little biteasier to machine.
00:02:09.329 And if you cut them into smaller sections,
00:02:11.097 sometimes that will go away enoughto not really matter.
00:02:14.067 And the next mistake is buying lumberthat is too wet.
00:02:17.170 And that'sbecause it ties into the first mistake,
00:02:19.706 which is why would warps and wood warpsbecause it has lost moisture
00:02:24.077 at different rates at different partsof the board, and that causes the warping.
00:02:28.114 So the more moistureyou have in your boards,
00:02:30.350 the more likely it will be to moveafter you get it home.
00:02:33.453 Now, there are a couple of different ways
00:02:34.621 to figure out the moisture contentof the wood. When you're in the aisle.
00:02:37.357 And the easiest ones are the weightand the feel of the wood.
00:02:41.728 So if you have a piece of woodthat is heavier than the others,
00:02:44.931 that is probably because it has more waterinside it.
00:02:47.634 The boards with more moisture
00:02:48.735 will also feel a little coolerto the touch than the drier ones.
00:02:51.871 It's almost likethey're a little bit clammy,
00:02:53.673 kind of like that kid in third gradethat you had to hold his hand
00:02:56.809 when you're going out to recess.It was just weird.
00:02:59.646 But an even better way to find outmoisture is using a moisture meter
00:03:03.650 and these two guys are pinthis moisture meters
00:03:05.552 and they have these little padsright here on the back
00:03:08.054 and you can just put them righton top of the wood.
00:03:10.056 As long as the wood is flat,if it's rough, it's not going to work
00:03:13.092 and then it will give you the moisture.
00:03:14.661 Reading this one is from Wagner meters
00:03:16.629 and this is super expensiveand it has a lot of really cool things.
00:03:20.667 So this one is way more accurate.
00:03:22.802 But you can get away with one like thisthat is under 50 bucks.
00:03:25.505 You can't pick the speciesand you can't pick how thick it is,
00:03:28.474 but you can relatively see which boardsare the driest versus the others.
00:03:32.045 But with either of these, youjust want to test someone in your shop.
00:03:34.647 This is the same species
00:03:35.882 that's been around for a whileand you know, as dry get that reading
00:03:38.651 and then you can compare itto what's in the store.
00:03:41.154 And the day I was there, I found somethat were as low as 8%,
00:03:43.890 which is crazy because that's lowerthan I can even have it in my shop.
00:03:47.193 But there were plentythat were under that 15% range,
00:03:49.762 although there was a big variationeven between boards in the same stack.
00:03:53.132 So this is really going to save youa lot of heartache.
00:03:55.568 And I have a linkin the description of these meters
00:03:57.170 so you can check them outand see what I'm using.
00:03:58.705 So don't be afraid to be that guyor gal out there
00:04:01.174 putting the moisture meter on the twoby fours.
00:04:03.142 People are going to look at you weirdand that's okay.
00:04:05.645 If you add a little pocket protector,it'll really seal the deal.
00:04:08.781 The next mistake you want to avoidis not checking thoroughly for defects.
00:04:12.285 Now, there are definitely some defectsthat you can see
00:04:14.187 really easily,kind of like those warped boards.
00:04:16.154 No one I've seen a lot more recently isbark exposed on the edges of the boards.
00:04:20.793 I don't know.
00:04:21.194 Is that just here locally orare you seeing that in your area as well?
00:04:23.997 I feel like there's way more of thatnow than there was maybe a few years ago.
00:04:27.834 And the other thing it's really easyto see are the knots and some of the wood
00:04:31.037 has a ton of knots in it,especially the two by fours.
00:04:34.540 And then as you go up to the largerboards,
00:04:36.709 those have larger knots in them,but typically fewer.
00:04:39.812 So it does take some looking,but you can find wood
00:04:42.949 that does not have as many knots.
00:04:44.651 You'rejust going to have to do some digging.
00:04:46.185 And just as an example,I did find a two by four that had almost
00:04:49.922 no knots at all along the face.
00:04:51.991 So you can find good boards out there,depending on your project,
00:04:54.927 you can work around the knotsor even the edges that have the bark.
00:04:58.364 And if you have tear outin the wood as well,
00:05:00.667 you can feel that,especially if you're painting.
00:05:02.769 But there's a couple more defectsyou want to really look out for
00:05:05.138 because they're very hard to work around.
00:05:06.606 And that would be sap pockets.
00:05:08.074 The SAP pockets are typically from wood
00:05:09.575 that is cut in the spring or the summerbecause the sap is up in the tree.
00:05:12.812 But if you do have some resin in thenot so the sap pocket,
00:05:15.348 you can use some shellac based primerto really seal those in
00:05:18.384 because if you don't, it's
00:05:19.185 going to bleed through,especially on a white paint
00:05:21.387 and you need to look for cracksin the wood too.
00:05:23.323 So in this small piece,we've got a nice one down here
00:05:25.658 and I saw a lot of cracksin the wood there,
00:05:27.960 and there's all kinds of cracksat the store.
00:05:30.163 RodriguesThere's some good ones down here.
00:05:32.365 Oh yeah, these are great.
00:05:33.733 Oh, Chuck, Crack kills, man.
00:05:36.936 The next
00:05:37.203 mistake is not looking at the end rainbefore you buy the wood
00:05:40.406 because the ingrain is goingto tell you a lot about how the wood will
00:05:43.343 look once you cut it,as well as how stable it might be.
00:05:46.412 And this is pretty easy to do in the storebecause you can just
00:05:48.648 go to the end of the pileand look at all the ingrain
00:05:51.851 and the one that you want to avoidthe most is the pith.
00:05:55.021 The pith is just a fancy wordfor the middle of the tree.
00:05:58.124 So it looks a little something like that,like a little bull's eye.
00:06:01.561 The reason you want to avoid itis because that's
00:06:03.229 the most unstable part of the tree.
00:06:05.064 And those boards are definitely proneto twist more than the others.
00:06:08.401 Other than that,you'll see two other major types,
00:06:10.336 which is flats on where the grainkind of goes across the board.
00:06:14.240 And what that's going to give youis really nice
00:06:16.409 straight lines on the edge here.
00:06:17.810 And I really like this look, I use thison the workbench as much as I could
00:06:21.581 and then it will give you kind ofthe cathedral grain here on the front.
00:06:24.650 And the opposite of that would be eitherriffs on or even quarters on,
00:06:28.521 and the rest of the quarters on it
00:06:29.922 will give you those nice, tight,consistent lines on the face of the piece.
00:06:33.226 And I try to use these for the legsand the apron of my workbench.
00:06:36.662 So depending upon what you wanton the face or edge of the wood,
00:06:39.665 you can look at the ingrainand choose the right boards.
00:06:42.001 One exception to not buyingthe pits would be in large boards
00:06:44.537 like two by ten or two by 12, because hereif you have the pits or close to it
00:06:48.441 in the middle,
00:06:49.275 you can just cut that outand then you'll have really nice quarters
00:06:52.779 on boards on either side of it.
00:06:55.281 Now this next mistake is a
00:06:56.783 weird and it might only applyfor a neurotic perfectionist like me.
00:07:00.553 The mistake is not in buyingwood of the same species
00:07:03.456 if you're not going to be painting it.
00:07:04.724 And so it just has a clear finish,something maybe like the workbench.
00:07:08.361 There are actually a few different types
00:07:09.662 of wood species that can make up the twoby four, two by ten, all of that.
00:07:13.566 And I have examples of three of themright here.
00:07:15.968 And you can see thatthey all have very different colors.
00:07:19.372 You might see the nomenclature, SPF one,some of these tags
00:07:22.642 and that'll stand for spruce per and fine.
00:07:26.012 I would love to have a per wood like a cat
00:07:28.681 just sitting there in your lapand you can edit and love it
00:07:31.984 spruce, pine and fir and soand they can use any variety of those
00:07:36.689 in some of the materials.
00:07:37.890 But the way to see which one they're usingis by the look of it.
00:07:40.993 Now, I am not an expert, so this is alljust based upon some of my research.
00:07:44.831 If I'm wrong, let me know.
00:07:46.666 But over here we have this white one.
00:07:48.835 This is actually, I believe, white fur,or they might call it Whitewood
00:07:52.805 Edger, your store as well.
00:07:53.873 This has a very pale yellow look to it.
00:07:56.609 Now, this middle one, I know what this isbecause it's tagged that way as SYP.
00:08:00.580 That stands for Southern Yellow Pine.
00:08:02.348 And you can seeit has a very yellow hue to it.
00:08:04.717 And that is what I mademy workbench out of.
00:08:07.086 And I like this one.
00:08:08.221 I like the look of it and it's got nicegreen to it here on the end.
00:08:10.923 This is another type of fur.
00:08:12.158 It's got this pinkish hue to itand this would be a Douglas fir.
00:08:15.394 So if you do somethingwith southern yellow pine
00:08:17.330 and then a white wood, you're goingto have a lot of clashing going on there.
00:08:21.767 I think it looks horrible personally.
00:08:24.036 And so if I was doing a workbenchwith this and I had white legs
00:08:27.139 with a yellow top,that would just look odd and weird to me.
00:08:31.043 And yes, I know I have problems,but definitely something to look out for.
00:08:34.380 Make sure you're looking at the species
00:08:35.881 and how it's going to lookwhen it's finished.
00:08:37.950 If you're concerned about that now,the next mistake is
00:08:40.820 a little controversial,and that is the mistake of actually
00:08:43.756 buying construction grade lumberwhen maybe you should be using hardwood.
00:08:47.193 And there are some purists out therewho say if you shop at Home
00:08:50.563 Depot when you buy that lumber,
00:08:51.797 that you are just a hack and you knowno good, everything you build is trash.
00:08:56.068 And that is absolutely ridiculous.
00:08:58.137 I've built a ton of furniturefrom construction grade lumber
00:09:00.540 that I bought at Home Depot,and it looks great,
00:09:02.975 especially if you're putting paint on itand you're using these tips to
00:09:06.812 get good wood.
00:09:07.713 So don't let anybody shame you for buyingwood at the big box store.
00:09:12.251 It is totally cool,but there are some times
00:09:15.788 where using a hard woodis probably the better choice.
00:09:18.724 And for me, that's typicallywhen it's going to be a piece
00:09:21.160 that's going to see a lot of use and abusebecause it really is pine
00:09:24.764 for those are very soft woodsand they're going to take a beating.
00:09:28.701 Now, if you like thatrustic look and you're holding on to 2016,
00:09:33.005 then by all means use pineand let it get beat up.
00:09:35.875 But for something like doorfronts or doors
00:09:38.177 or even a kitchen table,I'm going to be using hardwoods.
00:09:41.280 I used oak for our dining room table,
00:09:43.082 and if I ever do the kitchen,I will do something like a maple.
00:09:46.185 Or maybe an ash.
00:09:47.820 And your big box storemay have a small selection of hardwood.
00:09:50.957 Mine only has oak.
00:09:52.091 They do have poplar.
00:09:53.059 Not a hardwood technically,but definitely harder than pine.
00:09:56.162 And it will hold up to more use and abuse.
00:09:57.930 And I use poplar when I do faceframes or door fronts, but definitely
00:10:01.667 find your local lumber supplier,see what they've got on hand.
00:10:04.804 They might actually have thingsthat are fairly competitive and price
00:10:08.140 to what you're going to be ableto buy at the home center.
00:10:10.443 If you guys want to see a video of metalking
00:10:12.111 about how to buy lumber at a lumber yard,let me know.
00:10:14.780 And if there's enough interest,I'll do that as well.
00:10:17.183 The next mistake you want to avoidis buying the wrong word for outdoor use.
00:10:21.253 Pine is not a great option.
00:10:23.990 And the problem is, is that Pineis just not naturally resistant to water,
00:10:28.027 whereas something like cedaror even fir is.
00:10:31.297 And there are
00:10:31.797 options for cedar at the big box storeslike I showed you in the hardwood section.
00:10:36.002 But there are also a few other ones
00:10:37.169 that you can buythat you can save some money on.
00:10:39.505 And they've worked outreally well for me in the past.
00:10:41.641 Two great options are the cedarfence pickets, which are very inexpensive
00:10:46.145 and they are a little bit undersizedand they are rough.
00:10:48.748 But if you have a planer
00:10:49.982 or even maybe a belt sander,if you're a glutton for punishment,
00:10:53.719 you can go ahead and smooth those downand have some nice boards
00:10:56.956 and make plantersand all kinds of cool things with those.
00:10:59.458 Actually,there's some great videos by Matthew Peach
00:11:01.627 that show you some great ways to use thoseand make inexpensive furniture.
00:11:05.331 But another great optionI found is cedar two by fours,
00:11:08.067 which I have seen at Lowe's.
00:11:09.702 I use those and rip them down
00:11:11.137 to make the modern outdoor sofa and chairthat I have on my front porch.
00:11:15.041 And they worked out greatand it was much less expensive
00:11:17.877 than getting iteven from a lumber supplier.
00:11:20.613 And of course,
00:11:21.080 if you're doing outdoor structureslike maybe a deck or a fence or a place
00:11:24.350 that you want to use pressure, treatedlumber, a pressure treated lumber is pine,
00:11:28.354 but it has some additives in itthat make it rot and insect resistant.
00:11:32.258 And you'll notice thatin the back of the store
00:11:33.993 and it has a green hue to itbecause that is the chemicals in there.
00:11:37.463 That stuff is super wet, though.
00:11:39.098 When I read it at the store,
00:11:40.433 it maxed out my moisture meter,which only goes up to 32%.
00:11:43.602 So I definitely do not recommend cuttingthat inside.
00:11:46.105 I would always cut that outside
00:11:47.807 and you have to let that drybefore you put any stain on it.
00:11:50.710 I've made a ton of outdoor furniturewith cedar and it has held up nicely.
00:11:54.213 The nice thing about cedar is thatif you don't keep up with the finish,
00:11:57.183 it will just kind of gray and then turninto a kind of a cool patina.
00:12:01.187 But if you do that with pine, it'sjust going to rot on you
00:12:04.323 and it's just going to be nastyand start falling apart really quickly.
00:12:07.460 So don't use pine for outdoors
00:12:09.195 unless you just really want to upkeep itevery single year.
00:12:12.498 And when you start dealing with thislarger lumber, like the four by fours
00:12:15.234 or those huge like two in 12 pressuretreated wood, they can get really heavy.
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00:13:02.481 The next insect to avoidis just a settling for two by fours.
00:13:05.885 So if you're buildingsomething that needs to by fours,
00:13:08.587 people automaticallyjust go over the two by fours
00:13:10.823 and try to find the best onesthat you can find.
00:13:13.225 I think I found a good one back there.
00:13:14.693 Now, the problem is, is that
00:13:16.162 just by the nature of two by fours,because they are smaller pieces of wood,
00:13:20.032 they're going to have a lot more defects,a lot more knots
00:13:23.102 because they come from younger trees.
00:13:24.904 So the bigger the piece of wood,
00:13:26.739 the biggerthe tree it typically comes from.
00:13:28.741 And this is a southern yellow pine,two by 12, and because of the width of it,
00:13:32.344 it's in much oldertreats on the two by 12,
00:13:34.713 you're going to have a lot more clearsections of wood.
00:13:37.082 You still find somethat have a lot of knots in.
00:13:38.851 But when you do see,
00:13:39.552 the knots are typically going to bea bit bigger and much more spread out.
00:13:43.489 So out of a two by 12,you can mill up three, two by fours.
00:13:48.060 The nice thing about the larger boards isthey also typically tend to be more dry.
00:13:52.164 So the two by fours,they sell a ton of these,
00:13:55.201 so they're constantly cyclingthrough the two by fours
00:13:57.436 and so they just don't sit there as long.
00:13:59.405 When I was testing the moistureat the store,
00:14:01.106 the two by 12 was actually the onethat was at 8%.
00:14:04.143 So really dry wood as compared to the two.
00:14:06.912 My four is I think the lowest one I foundthere was around 13 or
00:14:09.982 so with a lot of them going up to 16,17, 18%.
00:14:13.419 Now, I do want to give a word of caution.
00:14:15.254 When you are working with larger wood,like the two by 12, it's
00:14:18.390 not all cupcakes,rainbows and Norma Abrams flannels.
00:14:21.894 Sometimeswhen you're cutting these down, it's
00:14:23.662 going to twist and turn on youbecause of internal stresses in the wood.
00:14:27.433 Now, getting the wood that isthe most dry will help alleviate that,
00:14:31.003 but it still happens and I do still thinkit's worth it, especially if you're going
00:14:34.540 to be doing a clear finish because it justhas that really nice grain to it.
00:14:38.143 And you can work around the knotsreally easily on these larger boards.
00:14:41.714 All right.
00:14:41.914 Avoiding this next mistakeis going to save you some money.
00:14:44.250 And that's
00:14:45.017 the mistake of not calling aroundand not checking out all of your options
00:14:48.954 for where to buy the wood.
00:14:50.122 And I know it's easy to go into the bigbox store and buy the stuff there,
00:14:53.592 but there are some optionsthat will save you money in there.
00:14:56.328 Sometimes it does make senseto buy it at the big box.
00:14:59.298 So when I was at the store that day,the eight foot two by fours were $3.35,
00:15:03.402 and I called around to a couple buildingsupply stores and one of them was $3.41
00:15:08.607 more expensive, and the other onewas $3.23, a little bit less expensive.
00:15:13.812 And I think because two by fours,like I mentioned,
00:15:15.648 are just such a high commodityand there's so much movement on them, Home
00:15:18.717 Depot and Lowe's and all those other guyscan get really great prices on them.
00:15:22.021 So if you're just buying two by fours,
00:15:23.789 then it's probablyokay to go to the big box.
00:15:25.758 Where I saw huge difference was in the twoby 12 by eights and they were $13.36.
00:15:30.629 But when I called that store
00:15:31.563 that had the more expensive to buy for,it was only $11.23.
00:15:36.201 But the next store was even cheaperat $10.50.
00:15:39.872 So locally here, I can save over 20% by
00:15:42.708 buying that at the buildingsupplier versus buying it at the big box.
00:15:45.911 And if you don't know where one is in yourlocation, just type in wherever you are.
00:15:49.915 Hoboken and building supplyor lumber store or playing the piano.
00:15:55.020 I don't know what that is.
00:15:55.587 I guess I'm typing
00:15:56.789 maybe it should be like that,but make sure you call around
00:15:58.958 and get pricingfrom a few different places.
00:16:01.126 And as a bonus tip, make sure you'relooking at the stores for clearance lumber
00:16:04.830 because sometimes we'll have a bargainrack back in the lumber department
00:16:08.100 where the boards are all messed upand twisted or whatever,
00:16:10.569 and they'll have some spray paint on themand they're up to 70% off.
00:16:13.639 So if you just need somethinglike a four foot piece of wood,
00:16:15.874 they might have a ten footerthat is mangled on the back half of it
00:16:19.478 and you can get it for 70% offand get a real great bargain.
00:16:22.581 So especially for smaller projects,you can find some bargains there.
00:16:25.651 Now, as much as I do like savingmoney and mistake you don't want to make
00:16:29.154 is trading your time for moneywhen it doesn't make sense or investing
00:16:32.958 time into ripping down the largertwo by 12 to get nice wood like I've done.
00:16:37.096 Now that can make sensebecause it's basically
00:16:39.098 the only way you can get it that thick.
00:16:40.833 But if you hop over to the other aisleand you go to the one inch material,
00:16:44.937 there is another option.
00:16:46.672 So over in the one by material,you can find a common one by fours
00:16:49.875 and it's going to have the little knots,
00:16:51.443 just like you're going to find in the twoby fours.
00:16:53.679 And, you know,you can try to work around there
00:16:55.247 and pick through everythingor you can buy a select pine.
00:16:59.952 And this is oh, so nice.
00:17:02.521 This is also a one by four.
00:17:04.022 And basically you get that qualitythat you can get the two by 12,
00:17:06.759 but it's already done for you.
00:17:08.761 Now, this does come at a price.
00:17:11.730 The common one by four is $8.87,
00:17:15.099 whereas the select one by four is $15.20.
00:17:19.972 So it is over 70% more expensive.
00:17:22.674 But if you just have a small amountor you just really want to save time
00:17:26.211 and get a nicer piece of wood,it is a decent option.
00:17:29.214 And I have actually bought
00:17:30.182 a lot of this over the yearsand used it in furniture projects
00:17:33.385 because it is just ready to go.
00:17:34.953 You can almost go straight into paintand not have to sort through.
00:17:37.890 All the boards are worried aboutcutting around knots or filling knots
00:17:40.893 or anything like that,and it's not just one by material.
00:17:44.029 They also do have a two by twoand these are awesome
00:17:47.032 four legs for dressers or tablesand they are ready to go.
00:17:51.403 You don't have to do anythingand just go straight into joinery.
00:17:54.473 But whatever you do,
00:17:55.240 make sure you do not send somebody elseto get wood for you or ordered online
00:17:59.078 because you might just end upwith the wet noodle and nobody wants that.
00:18:04.783 Now if you need to buy plywood,I've got mistakes to avoid right there.
00:18:07.786 So make sure you check that out.
00:18:09.088 A big thank you to the FTB Builders Club.
00:18:11.156 Until next time, guys,get out there and build something awesome.