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Okay, good morning everybody. Yes, today as you

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see, we are going to see William Blake poems,

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I mean Blake's poems, The Sick Rose and The Tiger.

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But today's class is going to be concentrated on

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the psychrose.

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As usual, at the beginning, I would be very

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interested in listening to one or two reports.

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Then I would see your response to both poems.

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After that, we're going together to discuss the

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psychrose, which is very short, but very polemic,

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very ambiguous, okay? So let's see who's going to

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report. Yes, Layla?

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Rainy day. Last lecture I was absent because of

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the last rainy day. The water falls all the street

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and the wiper of the cars was very busy working.

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So the streets were flooded, huh? Also at half

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past eight and nine o'clock, it was running

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blindly. As a result, I can't came to the

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university. I couldn't come. Yeah. Okay. But I

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watched the lecture on the video chat. Last

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lecture was an introduction of the Romantic Age,

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especially William Plague, who is the leader of

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the Romantic poetry, who criticized the Industrial

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Revolution, which is very bad to the English

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society. at that time, which described the nature

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as the source of the imagination of the romantic

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poets according to his perspective. So I expect

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that in the next lecture, it will be a sad poem as

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an aim to express his experience. Okay, thank you.

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I know it was rainy day, and it was difficult for

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students to make it, I mean, to come. So having

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the videotape was, you know, okay, a little bit

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helpful, even though we wished everybody to have

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come. Yes, Ola?

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Sorry. Come here. Since it was romanticism it

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should have been a tranquil day, yet in this

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university there is no tranquility, passion or

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even individualism. All we have is tension,

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reason, mind, working groups and lots of exams and

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assignments, so unfortunately romanticism will

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never be applied on the pros nor the verse of this

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university. Okay, this is a complaint, you know,

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but in fact, the fact you are protesting, this is

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a romantic. Because, you know, as we said, you

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know, romanticism is a protest movement. It's a

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protest against restrictions. It's a protest

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against repression. It's a protest against the

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denial of individualism. The individual voice. But

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I'm not like, I don't know what ground you are

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having for complaining. So you need like to make

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yourself clear. Okay. Good. Assuming that you have

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read the two poems, you must, I think you must

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have a good response. A good written response.

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Whose having a good written response, and you can

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boast of it. Yes, please.

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Which one to start, the tiger or the squirrel? I

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don't know. You come just here. Okay. Passing

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question without an answer for the creation

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process of the tiger. Is the tiger the dark side

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of the human soul with its desire to control? Why

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the tiger emerges in the night? When the stars

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cast their lights? God who is responsible for good

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and innocence at the same time who inserts evil

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and violence. But sometimes contradiction creates

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completion. If the tiger wasn't found, innocent

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the lamb wouldn't sound. Oh, very good. So you

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made it poetic. Yeah. Good. What about the sick

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rose? William Blake tried to confirm that the rose

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is sick because of a worm. The rose was sick and

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miserable, but the worm was invisible. The poem is

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a description of love, beauty, and corruption,

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about the innocence and destruction. Too many

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interpretations, and I can't wait for an

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explanation. Wow, good, thank you very much. So I

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like your response because it's following

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questions that hopefully we find answers to in

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this class. Now, do you have like, guess?

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My response about the tiger. You come here, you

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come here. It's the first impression, always

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right. In The Tiger, William Blake uses stone

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theme symbols and rhyme to make the point that

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there are two sides to everything. If you come

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face to face with a tiger, you would probably be

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afraid. But if you put your fear aside, you would

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probably notice how beautiful the tiger is. Very

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good. I like this twist because it shows how the

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tiger has the beautiful side as well as the

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horrible side. And this is a very essential point

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to the interpretation of Blake's poetry. Blake

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uses particular words to make the tone of fear in

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this poem. And also, in my opinion, he uses a

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tiger to show that things have two sides, ugliness

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and beauty, fear and courage, evil and God. By

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looking deeper, we can see that there are two

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sides to everything. So the theme of this poem

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seems to be about the existence of evil in all the

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creation. What about goodness? Because you started

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by saying everything has two sides. So evil and

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goodness are there. I think, you know, without

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evil there is no goodness. Can you say this?

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Without evil there is no goodness? Yes. Of course,

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yes. Okay, good. Also the poem requires deeper

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understanding from the reader. I think the poem to

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me is beautiful, not only because it's melodic,

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but because it's ironic. It starts by

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questioning... I don't know what you mean by

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melodic. Do we have any melody in it? I think

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there is a... Yeah, I don't know. We have like to

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go through the meter. Oh Rose, they were sick.

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Yes. The invisible worm. I don't know what is the

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melody. But okay, let's see, you know, you might

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be right if we discover the melody of the Spondee

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or the Iambic because, you know, this poem has,

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it's very strange because, you know, the main

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meter is Spondee, you know, too unstressed than

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stressed, but you have variation. it starts off by

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questioning how could be so power as to make

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something so perfectly so perfectly then as as the

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poem goes on it leads you into wonder what what

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power would make something so picturesque you mean

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you're talking about the the tiger which is

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melodic oh okay so it is very melodious you're

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right that's it Good. So I would be satisfied now

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in like receiving your oral response. Yes. What do

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you want to say? Okay. What do you want to say

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about the sick rose? Do you want to tell me why?

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Why was the rose sick? Because the rose is sick

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because of the endorphin.

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the Industrial Revolution and the corruption?

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Like, how do you know that? So you weren't like to

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read something about it? And okay, so if we say, I

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just like, it's a good point to start with,

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because, you know, you are very clever. You

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started by interpreting. I know, because this poem

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is ambiguous. Now, you just start to interpret.

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And you jump to the conclusion that the invisible

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worm is the industrial revolution. And the rose is

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what? Nature. Okay, nature or worm. And these are

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what the critics said. Okay, but let's see how

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nature is abused

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They think that nature can be abused? Yes, please.

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I shouldn't have told you.

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No, we're talking about like, you know, you know,

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we're talking first about nature. So my question

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is, how can nature be abused by, you know, the

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industrial revolution? Yes or no?

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Pollution. Yeah. Because mechanization means

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pollution. Mechanization means like what?

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Pollution. Mechanization means noise. So like the

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countryside is going to lose its serenity.

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Mechanization means like the nature of the simple

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life or the simple countryside. People will be

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transformed like because people will be working in

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factories. So the social structure will be

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changing. People will be moving away from cities,

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from the countryside to live around the factories.

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So their social life will be changed. Behavior

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pollution.

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Okay, I don't know what you mean by behavior

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pollution, but it's good Yeah,

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you know So

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they want to say like they are becoming more

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materialistic Okay Yes, thank you very much. Yes

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Yeah, like we said earlier, the romantic culture

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came as a protest. And here, like Blake, he's

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showing his protest to the change that happened to

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nature. He was satisfied before he wanted to go

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back to the nature side and only to like

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tranquility and serenity. But at the same time

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here, he's got the machine coming to invade their

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their beauty of the nature, it's coming to invade

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their privacy, the quietness, the atmosphere,

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everything has turned into smoke, into noise. So

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you think this interpretation is very appealing?

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One interpretation. One interpretation, because,

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you know, when we are talking about symbolism,

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like, we should not be satisfied with a single

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interpretation, otherwise, the symbol will lose

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its force. So, okay, I'm very happy, like, you

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start by, like, interpreting the poem, but As you

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know, we said it's very important to read the poem

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aloud. And did you have or did you give yourself

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the chance to read this poem aloud? Okay. Do you

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have anything about Blake to say? Okay. Yes. Who

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read it aloud? Who read it aloud? Yes? How did it

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sound to you? It sounds crazy.

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Very... Very sad. What do you mean by that? Sad?

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No, I found it very tough. Very tough? Yeah, I

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found it very weird, strange. Like it's not like

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how a normal poem would be. Yeah, what do you mean

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by that? It was very destructive. There's a lot of

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destruction in the poem. From the way I felt it

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didn't rhyme, it didn't... Yeah, I think it has

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rhyme. Come on. Not much. Like, if you look here,

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you have worm and storm. You have joy and destroy.

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I don't know. I felt like the meter was really

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weird. No, the meter was weird. Oros, you know,

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this is like too, you know, stressed. This is like

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what we call, you know, spondee, you know. And

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then they are sick, you know. They are sick and it

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is you know, another meter, you know? So, but

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here, yeah, there is a meter in the poem, but it's

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not regular meter. Weird. Weird. Okay, we can talk

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about this later. From the first line, O Rose, I

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think there's a third declaration. I'm going to

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die, I'm going to kill you. So I expected

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something... O Rose. Like, O Rose. Like he, is he

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what, calling? O Rose. This is what we call in

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poetry, You know, his calling for, this is what we

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call apostrophe. Apostrophe. You know what is

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apostrophe? Like somebody calling, you know? To

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call, it is apostrophe. Yes. Apostrophe means

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calling. Let me write it here.

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It starts with apostrophe, like calling. Good.

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Yes. How many of you have tried to read it aloud?

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One? Two? Very bad. I told you, like, do not

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respond to the poem without reading it aloud

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several times.

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Does anybody want to read it aloud for us? Uh-huh.

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Yes. You just come here and look at the poem here.

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Huh? No, you come here. Or you want to stand here,

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but I prefer like here. You come.

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Oh Rose, thou art sick, the invisible worm, that

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flies in the night in the howling storm, has found

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out thy bed of crimson joy, and his dark secret

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love does thy life destroy. Very good, thank you.

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Does anybody want to read it differently? To give

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it more force, more passion?

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Nobody? Do you want me to read it? Okay. Oh Rose,

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they were sick. The invisible worm that flies at

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night in the howling storm. has found out thy bed

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of a crimson joy, and his dark secret love does

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thy life destroy.

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You know? So I would read it like this way. Very

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sad. Passionate. Yeah, and at the same time

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passionate. Do you like it? Why?

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Disappointing. Why disappointing? I don't like the

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sad atmosphere.

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Yeah, you don't like the sad atmosphere. You want

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like the festive atmosphere. But like, you know,

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in life there should be sadness and happiness, you

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know. I think, you know, Blake here, yes, he

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depicts to us a very sad image of a dying rose, a

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sick rose. So, O Rose, thou art sick. It's a

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declaration. It's apostrophe, you know? Thou art

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sick. He's declaring that the rose is sick. What

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makes it sick? It is the invisible worm. The

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invisible worm.

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So, that flies in the night in the howling storm

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has found out thy bed of crimson joy, and does his

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dark secret love, sorry, and his dark secret love

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does thy life destroy. So you started by your

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response thinking that the rose, you know, it

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stands for the countryside. And the, you know, the

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worm stands for? The industrial revolution. Okay.

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What other interpretation do you have for this? I

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think this one applies to like what we studied in

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criticism to the reader response theory. I think

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it's relatable, like any reader would relate to

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this and interpret it according to their own

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problem. For example, if you say you've got

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something going really good and something really

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screws it up, then you can apply this. I think it

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has a lot of interpretations and it depends on.

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It's very good. Now, if we are looking at William

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Blake, he is giving space to the reader and that

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was not the norm. like in the 18th century. So

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he's giving us place and space to imagine. So

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there is a place for imagination here, to imagine

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the ramification, the implication of the symbol

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itself. Okay. But I don't know how is the question

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which I want to ask, how is the rose made sick?

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How is the rose made sick?

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It's like an attack, like the invisible war. It's

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like an inside attack. So it's attacking it, it's

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eating it? I'm not sure, but in my opinion, I

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think the rose was sick because of the people who

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were busy working in the factory. So they are not

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finding the time to take care of the rose. So

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let's take the literal meaning. The rose is sick.

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Because of the invisible worm. It's being eaten

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up. Yeah, it's being eaten up. This is one

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possibility. Or the worm itself is carrying a

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disease itself, the virus. So these are two

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possibilities. Or else thou art sick, thou. Why do

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we use thou? When do we use thou? O Rose, thou art

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sick. What is the significance of using thou in

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this poem? Of course here, what figure of speech

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do we have? What figure of speech? It is

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personification. O Rose, thou art sick. But why

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thou?

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Yeah, he wants us to gain sympathy. So like, the

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rose is being glorified. The rose is being

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something as valuable. Oh rose, thou art sick.

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He's, you know, celebrating, glorifying the rose.

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The invisible worm, the invisible worm.

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The invisible worm that

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flies in the night in the howling storm has found

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out thy bed of crimson joy. I don't know. Do you

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see, like, do you think that this worm is

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invisible? Do you think it is invisible? What is a

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worm? What is a worm? It's an insect. But do you

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think this worm is invisible?

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Does, you know, the word invisible literally mean

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that it is not seen?

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like small and people doesn't notice it. So they

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don't give it so much attention. So to people, it

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would be invisible. But in reality, it is like- It

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is visible. Invisible. It is invisible. Yeah. What

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do you mean by that? Invisible and- It is visible

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and invisible. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you mean by

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invisible and visible? And it is there. Yeah.

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There is a worm. You know, it has a shape. You

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know, it has, you know, a shape like, but it is

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invisible. How? People do not notice it. It

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becomes, you know, it comes like abruptly. It

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comes like it steals snakes, you know, in this way

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and nobody feels that it is coming. You know,

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there is secrecy in it. Yes.

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of the potential emotion of the factors, but they

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are not aware of the harmful results of this acid.

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So there is no awareness. Right, thank you. Yes,

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please. It is invisible, but when it attacks the

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rose, it becomes visible. It's visible, but it's

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not visible when it attacks.

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It's very important when you interpret this to

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demonstrate, to give examples of how sometimes we

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are taken by the materialistic aspect to the

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extent that we destroy our life. How? And this is

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invisible. The materialistic life might

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you know, take us away from, let's say,

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performing, you know, spirituality. And then we,

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you know, so it is seemingly it is beautiful,

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seemingly it is good. But, you know, the dark side

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is there, you know, because you are losing, you're

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gaining on one side, but you are losing on the

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other side. It's very cryptic poem, very symbolic

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poem. It's very short, but the paradox is it is

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very complex. This is the paradox. Very short, but

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very complex. The invisible worm that flies in the

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night, in the howling storm. So look here, O Rose,

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thou art sick. When he talked about the rose, this

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one sentence. But when he was talking about the,

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you know, if we look at the grammar here, like the

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invisible, it's an adjective, which is what we

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call attributive adjective. It's an adjective

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which describes what comes after it. It is, you

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know, it is followed by what? The invisible worm

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that flies in the night? What is, what is this?

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It's more description. What do we call these

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clues? It's adjective clues. So it seems like this

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worm is mysterious.

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It needs definition. Like the poet is striving to

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define this. To say, what is it? So look here, it

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is invisible. You know, you don't feel it. It is

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there. This is very dangerous. It is there, but

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you are not aware of its presence, the time of its

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coming, because it sneaks, you know, when? At

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night? In the darkness? And it comes, it is

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accompanied by what? By the howling storm. So what

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is the howling storm like? Can anybody, like, make

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like a storm? Huh? So it should be like what? Very

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noisy. It should be like this. Roaring. Very

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distracting. But how does it sound? Roaring? I

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think howling it would be like this. You know,

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this is like the howling storm. At night, it's

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like this. Imagine yourself, it is darkness, there

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is no electricity, like what is happening in Gaza.

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You know? And it is dark in your room, you don't

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have a candle, and outside it makes like this. You

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know, it's very frightening. It is. But howling

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here, what figure of speech it is? Onomatopoeia.

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Yeah, onomatopoeia. Because the word is taking...

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Look here, how this invisible worm is wrapped by

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an atmosphere of secrecy. It is very secretive,

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you know, and it is accompanied by dangerous

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things. It is night, it is invisible, you know,

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and it comes with, you know, this, this, yeah,

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this sound. Has found out thy bed. Now, so like

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finding out the bed Is it an act which is a mere

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coincidence? Or is it more deliberate?

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Finding out the bit, is it deliberate or

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coincidental? Is it by chance? No. How do you

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know? has found out it means like she was

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searching it means that you know this what is

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happening to the rose is something happening with

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pre-determination this is a legal term sometimes

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when you say a crime took place with it is a

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premeditated crime you know it means like yeah it

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was planned before premeditated, good. Has found

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out they're bad. They're bad. Of course, like this

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poem, understanding the literal meaning is not

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difficult. Now, what we might need later to think

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of, what is this stone? What is the bed? What is

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the rose? What does this stand for? There are many

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possible interpretations. So, and this is like

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what Blake is giving us. Blake is writing, is

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presenting to us poetry which invites us to

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imagine. And that was something against the

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expectation of his time. That's why they described

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him mad because he was appealing to ourselves. He

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was appealing to our feelings. He was appealing to

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our emotion and imagination. So he was writing

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against the fashion, against, you know, the

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teachings, the culture of his time. That's why he

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was dangerous. That's why he was crazy, you know,

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and he was marginalized by society. ostracized has

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found out thy bed still keeps look the same level

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of veneration thou and thy you know thy bed of a

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crimson joy what what is crimson joy like crimson

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joy yeah but like crimson joy Like sometimes we

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have something... Yeah, crimson joy. Crimson is a

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color, you know? But crimson sometimes we say

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crimson fever. Crimson fever. Which is very fatal,

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you know? Crimson fever. So crimson joy seems to

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be contradictory. Crimson is something fatal. But

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joy is something beautiful.

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Crimson joy. It is oxymoron. Thank you. It is

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oxymoron. Now again, this is one of the things

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which might need effort from us to interpret it.

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But let us, because I think at the beginning of

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the course, we tried to flatten some paradoxes and

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oxymorons. And, you know, Crimson Joy here is

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problematic in this poem. But what is Crimson Joy

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like? Like, can we give an example of Crimson Joy

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in our life?

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It's difficult, huh?

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Okay, we'll talk about this later, but let's see

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what is crimson joy. Crimson, painful joy. Painful

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joy. This is what I want to say. Is there painful,

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agonizing joy? Imagine, you know, imagine a lady

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is giving birth to a baby. Don't you think this is

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a crimson joy? It is. Those at Eid when you say

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the Jews are killed because of the joy. It's a

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crimson joy. Yeah, very good. Like when you see

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balls are slaughtered, you know, sometimes in a

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hideous manner because you know some people do not

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know how to slaughter. So it's a crimson joy. I

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remember when we took this room with Miss Ahlam,

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Yeah, now I mean, yes.

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Yeah, but crimson,

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it is painful joy. It is painful joy. Now, and

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this is like a central axomarum, you know, how joy

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is painful. You know, sometimes like, you know,

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Satan, decorates for us, you know, bad things.

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Decorates for us. So for example, stealing or

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cheating. You know, you cheat and you succeed, you

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know, you get high marks, but this is crimson joy.

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You know, you feel sorry. You feel sorry. You see

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what I mean? Yes, you feel sorry for this. It's a

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crimson joy. It's not like good. Yes, you

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succeeded, but deep down at your hearts, you don't

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feel, you know, the real happiness because you

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don't feel the real joy. It's a crimson joy. Do

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you know what I mean? Sometimes, you know, Satan

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decorates the bad things for us as beautiful

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things. This is like an example of crimson joy.

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Yeah. Very good. This is a good example. So

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imagine like a mother of a murderer or the

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murderer himself, the one who is sacrificing his

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life for the sake of his country. It's a crimson

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joy. It's a painful joy. Why? Because he's happy

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because he sacrificed his life for the sake of his

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country to defend his people.

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So it's not limited, you know, to one. And we need

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to exert effort to interpret this. To interpret

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this. I'm trying to raise your awareness about the

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cryptic elements of this poem in order to further

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interpret it next time. Because next time, we're

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going to interpret it more and more to see

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different interpretations of this woman.

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And his dark secret love. Like look here, when he

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talks about the worm, he says his. But when he

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talks about the rose, so thou. So we have

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different attitudes here. An attitude of respect

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and veneration and an attitude of let's say

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disrespect. and attitude of disparagement. You

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know what's mean disparagement? So he's not happy

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with it. And his dark secret love. Now this is

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problematic. Now dark secret love. We know that

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love is not dark. Yeah, it's secret, but you know,

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dark secret. This seems like it is Contradictory,

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you know? How come, like, dark secret love? Again,

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we have to think. In what way can love be dark? In

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what way can love be fatal? Because the common

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sense, a perception of love is, you know, it's

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good. It's constructive. However, here, and his

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dark secret love. What is dark secret love?

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Prohibited. Prohibited. Good. Betrayal. Betrayal.

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What do you mean by betrayal? Love. Love would

491
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harm someone else. It would not be right to love

492
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someone else. You know, hypocrisy, you want to

493
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say. Hypocrisy. Hypocrisy because in hypocrisy,

494
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people try to show that they love. Infidelity.

495
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Infidelity, thank you. Hypocrisy is an example of

496
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dark secret love. You see what I mean? You show

497
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love for people, for other people, for people, for

498
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other creatures, but this is not a real love. It

499
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is just a means to an end. It is very deceiving.

500
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And sometimes in our life, we have this kind of

501
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dark secret love. We try to show that we respect,

502
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we venerate, we love, but in fact, we are not. You

503
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see what I mean? It's very deceptive.

504
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But can you give me an example of dark secret

505
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,360
love? It's love itself, but it is dark, it is

506
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destructive.

507
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Yes? When you love someone and you don't want

508
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anyone to be very close to him, so you will just

509
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put him in a prison and you will be with him. This

510
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will be distracted love. So yes, when you love and

511
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you want to monopolize this love, because when you

512
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monopolize this love, It means you're imprisoning,

513
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you're not giving this person a chance to interact

514
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with other people, so he develops into a very

515
00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:33,310
dependent personality. I think you're right.

516
00:39:33,610 --> 00:39:37,010
Sometimes we commit a fatal mistake if you go to

517
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psychology and education. Sometimes if we love our

518
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:44,370
children too much, we destroy them, we spoil them.

519
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And a lot of cases in which like children were

520
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given freedom,

521
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their parents spoiled them. What happened when

522
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,960
those people were spoiled? They were not, you

523
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,060
know, able to depend on themselves. They don't

524
00:40:06,060 --> 00:40:10,360
have a personality. They develop into like

525
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:19,220
different in, you know, not just dependent human

526
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beings, like they cannot, you know, find their

527
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niche in society. You see what I mean? So it seems

528
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like this poem is very interesting, very short.

529
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and very mysterious. What I want you is to try to

530
00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:47,610
find some more interpretation. The rose could be

531
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:53,670
what? Could be a teacher, or the worm could be a

532
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:59,170
student, or vice versa. Yeah. How can a teacher be

533
00:40:59,170 --> 00:41:03,930
a rose, and how can the students be the worm, or

534
00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:08,280
vice versa? Yes, a man and a woman.

535
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:15,880
You know, friends. The Industrial Revolution and

536
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the, you know. So we have many interpretations.

537
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:22,160
Next time we're going to go deeper into this poem,

538
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,940
interpreting it, and to go to the aesthetics of

539
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:27,860
this poem, okay? Thank you very much, and see you

540
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next time.