Meeting transcript:
speaker: A
text: OK , this is one channel .
speaker: A
text: Can you uh , say your name and talk into your mike one at a time ?
speaker: C
text: This is Eric on channel three , I believe .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: Uh , I don't think it 's on there , Jane .
speaker: D
text: Tasting one two three , tasting .
speaker: E
text: OK , this is Jane on channel five .
speaker: A
text: Uh , I still don't see you Jane .
speaker: E
text: Oh , darn , what am I doing wrong ?
speaker: D
text: Can you see me on channel four ?
speaker: D
text: Really ?
speaker: D
text: My lucky day .
speaker: E
text: Uh , screen no , <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Yeah , I s
speaker: E
text: it is ,
speaker: E
text: oh , maybe it just warmed up ?
speaker: A
text: No .
speaker: E
text: Oh , darn ,
speaker: E
text: can you can't see channel five yet ?
speaker: A
text: Uh , well , the mike isn't close enough to your mouth ,
speaker: E
text: Oh , this would be k
speaker: A
text: so .
speaker: E
text: OK ,
speaker: E
text: is that better ?
speaker: D
text: I like the high quality labelling .
speaker: A
text: S uh , try speaking loudly ,
speaker: A
text: so ,
speaker: E
text: Hello ,
speaker: E
text: hello .
speaker: D
text: David , can we borrow your labelling machine to improve the quality of the labelling a little bit here ?
speaker: A
text: OK ,
speaker: E
text: Alright .
speaker: A
text: good .
speaker: A
text: Thank you .
speaker: B
text: One t
speaker: D
text: How <disfmarker> how many are there ,
speaker: D
text: one to five ?
speaker: B
text: One five ,
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: D
text: Yeah , please .
speaker: E
text: Would you like to join the meeting ?
speaker: E
text: I bet <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Well , we don't wanna renumber them ,
speaker: A
text: cuz we 've already have like , forms filled out with the numbers on them .
speaker: A
text: So , let 's keep the same numbers on them .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , OK ,
speaker: B
text: that 's a good idea .
speaker: A
text: OK , Dan , are you on ?
speaker: B
text: I 'm on <disfmarker> I 'm on two and I should be on .
speaker: A
text: Good .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Want to join the meeting , Dave ?
speaker: D
text: Do we <disfmarker> do <disfmarker> do we have a spare , uh <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: And I 'm getting lots of responses on different ones ,
speaker: A
text: so I assume <pause> the various and assorted P Z Ms are on .
speaker: D
text: We ' r we 're <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: we ' r This is <disfmarker> this <disfmarker> this is a meeting meeting .
speaker: E
text: This is abou we 're <disfmarker> we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription for the m future meeting meetings .
speaker: A
text: Stuff .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , this is not something you need to attend .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: e
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: You 're always having one of those days , Dave .
speaker: E
text: Y you 'd be welcome .
speaker: A
text: Besides , I don't want anyone who has a weird accent .
speaker: E
text: You 'd be welcome .
speaker: A
text: Right , Dan ?
speaker: D
text: So , I don't understand
speaker: D
text: if it 's neck mounted you don't get very good performance .
speaker: C
text: It 's not neck mounted .
speaker: C
text: It 's supposed to be h head mounted .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: It <disfmarker> it should be head mounted .
speaker: D
text: Right ?
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: Well , then put it on your head .
speaker: B
text: I don't know .
speaker: A
text: What are you doing ?
speaker: D
text: Cuz when you do this , you can <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Rouww - Rouww .
speaker: E
text: Why didn't I <disfmarker> you were saying that
speaker: E
text: but I could hear you really well on the <disfmarker> on the transcription <disfmarker> on the , uh , tape .
speaker: B
text: I <disfmarker> I don't know .
speaker: A
text: Well , I m I would prefer that people wore it on their head
speaker: C
text: i
speaker: A
text: but they were complaining about it .
speaker: D
text: Why ?
speaker: A
text: Because it 's not <disfmarker> it doesn't go over the ears .
speaker: E
text: It 's badly designed .
speaker: A
text: It 's very badly designed so it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: It 's very badly designed ?
speaker: D
text: What do you mean it doesn't go over the ears ?
speaker: B
text: Why ?
speaker: B
text: It 's not s It 's not supposed to cover up your ears .
speaker: B
text: I mean , it 's only badly <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Yeah but , there 's nowhere to put the pad so it 's comfortable .
speaker: E
text: So that 's what you 're d He 's got it on his temples so it cuts off his circulation .
speaker: C
text: Yeah , that 's <disfmarker> that 's what I have .
speaker: B
text: Oh , that 's strange .
speaker: A
text: And it feels so good that way .
speaker: C
text: It feels so good when I stop .
speaker: E
text: Try it .
speaker: D
text: Somebody wanna <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: So I <disfmarker> I again would like to do some digits .
speaker: D
text: Somebody wanna close the door ?
speaker: A
text: Um .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: Sure .
speaker: E
text: We could do it with noise .
speaker: A
text: So let me <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: You 're always doing digits .
speaker: A
text: Well , you know , I 'm just that sort of <disfmarker> digit - y g sorta guy .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: So this is Adam .
speaker: E
text: Uh , this is the same one I had before .
speaker: A
text: I doubt it .
speaker: B
text: It 's still the same words .
speaker: A
text: I think we 're session four by the way .
speaker: A
text: Or m it might be five .
speaker: D
text: Psss !
speaker: E
text: No
speaker: D
text: Oh , that 's good .
speaker: A
text: I didn't bring my previous thing .
speaker: B
text: We didn't <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Now , just to be sure , the numbers on the back , this is the channel ?
speaker: B
text: That 's the microphone number .
speaker: E
text: That 's the microphone number .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , d leave the channel blank .
speaker: E
text: Uh - oh .
speaker: E
text: OK , good .
speaker: D
text: But number has to be <disfmarker> ?
speaker: E
text: Five <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: So we have to look up the number .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: OK , good .
speaker: E
text: Good .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Well , this is Jane , on mike number five .
speaker: E
text: Um .
speaker: E
text: I just start ?
speaker: E
text: Do I need to say anything more ?
speaker: A
text: Uh , transcript number .
speaker: B
text: Transcript number <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: OK , this is Eric on microphone number three ,
speaker: D
text: This is Beck on mike four .
speaker: A
text: Thanks .
speaker: A
text: Should I turn off the VU meter Dan ?
speaker: A
text: Do you think that makes any difference ?
speaker: B
text: Oh , God .
speaker: B
text: No , let me do it .
speaker: A
text: Why ?
speaker: A
text: Are you gonna do something other than hit " quit " ?
speaker: B
text: No ,
speaker: B
text: but I 'm gonna look at the uh , logs as well .
speaker: A
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: Uh , you said turn off the what ?
speaker: A
text: Should have done it before .
speaker: A
text: The VU meter which tells you what the levels on the various mikes are
speaker: A
text: and there was one hypothesis that perhaps that <disfmarker> <vocalsound> the act of recording the VU meter was one of the things that contributed to the errors .
speaker: E
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: Oh , I see .
speaker: D
text: Yeah , but Eric , uh , you didn't think that was a reasonable hypothesis , right ?
speaker: E
text: I See .
speaker: A
text: That was me ,
speaker: D
text: Oh , I 'm sorry y
speaker: A
text: I thought that was <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: That was malarkey .
speaker: A
text: Well , the only reason that could be is if the driver has a bug .
speaker: A
text: Right ?
speaker: A
text: Because the machine just isn't very heavily loaded .
speaker: D
text: No chance of that .
speaker: A
text: No chance of that .
speaker: A
text: Just because it 's beta .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , there <disfmarker> there <disfmarker> there was <disfmarker> there was a <disfmarker> there was a bug .
speaker: A
text: Look OK ?
speaker: B
text: There was a glitch last time we ran .
speaker: D
text: Are - are yo are you recording where the table mikes are by the way ?
speaker: D
text: Do you know which channels <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , we usually do that .
speaker: B
text: No , we don't .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Why not ?
speaker: B
text: But we <disfmarker> we ought to st we ought to standardize .
speaker: B
text: I think , <vocalsound> uh , I s I spoke to somebody , Morgan , <comment> about that .
speaker: D
text: Why don't you just do this ?
speaker: B
text: I think <disfmarker> I think we should put mar Well , no , w we can do that .
speaker: A
text: I mean , that 's what we 've done before .
speaker: B
text: I know what they <disfmarker> they 're <disfmarker> they 're four , three , two , one .
speaker: B
text: In order now .
speaker: D
text: Four .
speaker: B
text: Three ,
speaker: D
text: Three .
speaker: B
text: two , <vocalsound> and one .
speaker: B
text: But I think <disfmarker> I think we should put them in standard positions .
speaker: B
text: I think we should make little marks on the table top .
speaker: E
text: Oh , OK .
speaker: A
text: Which means we need to move this thing , and sorta decide how we 're actually going to do things .
speaker: B
text: So that we can put them <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: I guess that 's the point .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: B
text: It 'll be a lot easier if we have a <disfmarker> if we have them permanently in place or something like that .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: I do wish there were big booms coming down from the ceiling .
speaker: B
text: You do ?
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Would it make you feel more important ?
speaker: E
text: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: C
text: I see .
speaker: E
text: You know .
speaker: D
text: Wait till the projector gets installed .
speaker: A
text: That 'll work .
speaker: E
text: Oh , that 'll be good .
speaker: A
text: That 'll work .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Oh , gosh .
speaker: D
text: Cuz it 's gonna hang down , make noise .
speaker: B
text: When 's it gonna be installed ?
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: Well , <vocalsound> it depends on
speaker: B
text: I see .
speaker: D
text: Is this b is this being recorded ?
speaker: A
text: That 's right .
speaker: D
text: Uh , I think Lila actually is almost getting r pretty close to even getting ready to put out the purchase order .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Cool .
speaker: D
text: I handed it off to her about a month ago .
speaker: B
text: I see .
speaker: A
text: OK ,
speaker: A
text: so ,
speaker: A
text: topic of this meeting is I wanna talk a little bit about transcription .
speaker: A
text: Um , I 've looked a little bit into commercial transcription services
speaker: A
text: and Jane has been working on doing transcription .
speaker: A
text: Uh , and so we wan wanna decide what we 're gonna do with that
speaker: A
text: and then get an update on the electronics ,
speaker: A
text: and then , uh , maybe also talk a little bit about some infrastructure and tools , and so on .
speaker: A
text: Um , you know , eventually we 're probably gonna wanna distribute this thing
speaker: A
text: and we should decide how we 're gonna <disfmarker> how we 're gonna handle some of these factors .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: B
text: Distribute what ?
speaker: A
text: Hmm ?
speaker: B
text: The data ?
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: I mean , so we 're <disfmarker> we 're collecting a corpus
speaker: A
text: and I think it 's gonna be generally useful .
speaker: A
text: I mean , it seems like it 's not a corpus which is <disfmarker> uh , has been done before .
speaker: B
text: Oh .
speaker: A
text: And so I think people will be interested in having <disfmarker> having it ,
speaker: D
text: u Using , like , audio D V Ds or something like that ?
speaker: A
text: and so we will <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yes .
speaker: A
text: Excuse me ?
speaker: D
text: Audio D V
speaker: A
text: Well , or something .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , audio D V
speaker: A
text: C Ds ,
speaker: D
text: Or t
speaker: A
text: you know .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: tapes .
speaker: A
text: And <disfmarker> and so how we do we distribute the transcripts ,
speaker: A
text: how do we distribute the audio files ,
speaker: A
text: how do we <disfmarker> how do we just do all that infrastructure ?
speaker: C
text: Well , I think <disfmarker> I mean , for that particular issue ther there are known sources where people go to <disfmarker> to find these kind of things like the LDC for instance .
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: that 's right .
speaker: A
text: Right ,
speaker: A
text: but <disfmarker> but so should we do it in the same format as LDC
speaker: A
text: and what does that mean to what we 've done already ?
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: The <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: It 's not so much the actu The logistics of distribution are secondary to <pause> preparing the data in a suitable form for distribution .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: So , uh ,
speaker: A
text: as it is , it 's sort of a <pause> ad - hoc combination of stuff Dan set and stuff I set up ,
speaker: A
text: which we may wanna make a little more formal .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: B
text: And the other thing is that , um , University of Washington may want to start recording meetings as well ,
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: in which case w w we 'll have to decide what we 've actually got so that we can give them a copy .
speaker: D
text: A field trip .
speaker: A
text: That 's right .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: I was actually thinking I wouldn't mind spending the summer up there .
speaker: A
text: That would be kind of fun .
speaker: B
text: Oh , really ?
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Different for you .
speaker: A
text: Visit my friends and spend some time <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yes .
speaker: A
text: Well , and then also I have a bunch of stuff for doing this digits .
speaker: A
text: So I have a bunch of scripts with X Waves , and some Perl scripts , and other things that make it really easy to extract out <vocalsound> and align where the digits are .
speaker: A
text: And if U d UW 's going to do the same thing I think it 's worth while for them to do these digits tasks as well .
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: And what I 've done is pretty ad - hoc ,
speaker: A
text: um , so we might wanna change it over to something a little more standard .
speaker: C
text: Hmm .
speaker: A
text: You know , STM files , or XML , or something .
speaker: D
text: An - and there 's interest up there ?
speaker: A
text: What 's that ?
speaker: D
text: There 's interest up there ?
speaker: A
text: Well they <disfmarker> they certainly wanna collect more data .
speaker: A
text: And so they 're applying , I think I B
speaker: A
text: Is that right ?
speaker: B
text: I don't know .
speaker: A
text: Something like that .
speaker: A
text: Um , for some more money to do more data .
speaker: A
text: So we were planning to do like thirty or forty hours worth of meetings .
speaker: A
text: They wanna do an additional hundred or so hours .
speaker: A
text: So , they want a very large data set .
speaker: A
text: Um , but of course we 're not gonna do that if we don't get money .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: B
text: I see .
speaker: A
text: And I would like that just to get a disjoint speaker set and a disjoint room .
speaker: C
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: I mean , one of the things Morgan and I were talking about is we 're gonna get to know this room really well ,
speaker: A
text: the <disfmarker> the acoustics of this room .
speaker: D
text: Including the fan .
speaker: B
text: All about that .
speaker: D
text: Did you notice the fan difference ?
speaker: A
text: Including the fan .
speaker: B
text: Oh , now you 've touched the fan control ,
speaker: B
text: now all our data 's gonna be <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Hear the difference ?
speaker: E
text: Oh , that 's better .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , it 's great .
speaker: A
text: Oh , it 's enormous .
speaker: E
text: That 's better .
speaker: D
text: Do you wanna leave it off or not ?
speaker: A
text: All the others have been on .
speaker: D
text: Yeah , the <disfmarker> You sure ?
speaker: B
text: That 's <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Oh , yeah .
speaker: D
text: You <disfmarker> <vocalsound> You think that <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Absolutely .
speaker: A
text: y Absolut
speaker: D
text: things after the f then
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: This fan 's wired backwards by the way .
speaker: D
text: Uh , I think this is high speed here .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , it 's noticeable .
speaker: D
text: Well , not clear .
speaker: D
text: Maybe it <disfmarker> Maybe it isn't .
speaker: B
text: Well it 's <disfmarker> well like <vocalsound> " low " is mid <disfmarker> mid - scale .
speaker: D
text: That 's right .
speaker: B
text: So it could be <vocalsound> that it 's not actually wired backwards
speaker: B
text: it 's just that ambiguous .
speaker: D
text: I was wondering also , Get ready . <comment> whether the lights made any noise .
speaker: E
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: A
text: There 's definitely <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: Yeah , a little bit .
speaker: B
text: Oh , they do .
speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: High pitch hum .
speaker: A
text: Wow .
speaker: D
text: So , <vocalsound> do our meetings in the dark with no air conditioning in the future .
speaker: A
text: Yeah ,
speaker: A
text: just get a variety .
speaker: E
text: I think candles would be nice if they don't make noise .
speaker: B
text: Oh , yeah .
speaker: A
text: They 're very good .
speaker: C
text: It would <disfmarker> you know , it would real really mean that we should do short meetings when you <vocalsound> turn off the <disfmarker> <comment> turn off the air conditioning ,
speaker: A
text: Carbon monoxide poisoning ?
speaker: D
text: Short meetings ,
speaker: D
text: that 's right .
speaker: D
text: Or <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Yeah , sort of <comment> r r
speaker: C
text: got to finish this meeting .
speaker: D
text: Tear t <pause> Tear your clothing off to stay cool .
speaker: C
text: That 's right .
speaker: D
text: Actually , the a th air <disfmarker> the air conditioning 's still working ,
speaker: D
text: that 's just an auxiliary fan .
speaker: C
text: Right ,
speaker: C
text: I see .
speaker: C
text: So ,
speaker: A
text: So
speaker: C
text: um , in addition to this issue about the UW stuff there was announced today , uh , via the LDC , um , a corpus from I believe Santa Barbara .
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: I saw it .
speaker: E
text: I 've been watching for that corpus .
speaker: C
text: Um , of general spoken English .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Yep .
speaker: C
text: And I don't know exactly how they recorded it
speaker: C
text: but apparently there 's a lot of different <vocalsound> styles of speech and what not .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: And <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: They had people come in to a certain degree and they <disfmarker> and they have DAT recorders .
speaker: C
text: I see .
speaker: C
text: So it is sort of far field stuff .
speaker: C
text: Right ?
speaker: E
text: I <disfmarker> I assume so , actually ,
speaker: E
text: I hadn't thought about that .
speaker: E
text: Unless they added close field later on
speaker: E
text: but , um , I 've listened to some of those data
speaker: E
text: and I , um , I 've been <disfmarker> I <disfmarker> I was actually on the advisory board for when they set the project up .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: Oh , OK .
speaker: E
text: I 'm glad to see that it got released .
speaker: B
text: What 's it sound like ?
speaker: E
text: So it it 's a very nice thing .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , I <disfmarker> I wish <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I wish we had someone here working on adaptation
speaker: C
text: S
speaker: A
text: because it would nice to be able to take that stuff and adapt it to a meeting setting .
speaker: E
text: How do you mean <disfmarker> do you mean mechanical adaptation or <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: But it may be <disfmarker> it may be useful in <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: You know <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: No ,
speaker: A
text: software ,
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: to adapt the speech recognition .
speaker: C
text: Well , what I was thinking is it may be useful in transcribing , if it 's far field stuff ,
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: right ?
speaker: C
text: In doing , um , some of our first automatic speech recognition models , it may be useful to have that kind of data
speaker: E
text: Great idea .
speaker: C
text: because that 's very different than any kind of data that we have so far .
speaker: A
text: That 's true .
speaker: E
text: And <disfmarker> and their recording conditions are really clean .
speaker: E
text: I mean , I 've <disfmarker> I 've heard <disfmarker> I 've listened to the data .
speaker: A
text: Well that 's not good , right ?
speaker: E
text: It sounds <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: That 's <disfmarker> that 's not great .
speaker: D
text: Tr
speaker: E
text: well but what I mean is that , um <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: But far field means great distance ?
speaker: D
text: I mean <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Just these .
speaker: D
text: Not head mounted ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: And so that 's why they 're getting away with just two channels or something ,
speaker: D
text: or are they using multiple DATs ?
speaker: E
text: Um , oh ,
speaker: E
text: good question
speaker: E
text: and I can't ans answer it .
speaker: E
text: I don't know .
speaker: A
text: Well we can look into it .
speaker: C
text: No , and their web <disfmarker> their web page didn't answer it either .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: So I 'm , I uh , was thinking that we should contact them .
speaker: C
text: So it 's <disfmarker> that 's sort of a beside - the - point point .
speaker: C
text: But .
speaker: A
text: So we can get that just with , uh , media costs ,
speaker: D
text: Still a point .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: is that right ?
speaker: C
text: Uh , in fact we get it for free
speaker: C
text: cuz they 're distributing it through the LDC .
speaker: A
text: Oh .
speaker: A
text: Great .
speaker: E
text: Yep .
speaker: A
text: So that would be <disfmarker> yeah , that would be something to look into .
speaker: C
text: So , I can <disfmarker> I can actually arrange for it to arrive in short order if we 're <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: E
text: The other thing too is from <disfmarker> from a <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Well , it 's silly to do unless we 're gonna have someone to work on it ,
speaker: A
text: so maybe we need to think about it a little bit .
speaker: E
text: The other thing too is that their their jus their transcription format is really nice and simple in <disfmarker> in the discourse domain .
speaker: C
text: Huh .
speaker: E
text: But they also mentioned that they have it time aligned .
speaker: E
text: I mean , I s I <disfmarker> I saw that write - up .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Maybe we should <disfmarker> maybe we should get a copy of it just to see what they did
speaker: B
text: Yeah ,
speaker: B
text: absolutely .
speaker: C
text: so <disfmarker> so that we can <disfmarker> we can compare .
speaker: E
text: It 's very nice .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Absolutely .
speaker: A
text: OK , why don't you go ahead and do that then Eric ?
speaker: C
text: Alright , I 'll do that .
speaker: C
text: I can't remember the name of the corpus .
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: C
text: S <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: Right ,
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , sp I 've been <disfmarker> I was really pleased to see that .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
text: but , um ,
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: C
text: Well they 're <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: this is clever .
speaker: C
text: Apparently this was like phase one
speaker: E
text: Got it through the LDC .
speaker: C
text: and the there 's still more that they 're gonna do apparently or something like that
speaker: E
text: Great .
speaker: C
text: unless of course they have funding issues
speaker: E
text: Great .
speaker: C
text: and then then it ma they may not do phase two
speaker: C
text: but <vocalsound> from all the web documentation it looked like , " oh , this is phase one " ,
speaker: E
text: Super .
speaker: C
text: whatever that means .
speaker: E
text: Super .
speaker: E
text: Great .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , that <disfmarker> I mean , they 're really well respected in the linguistics d side too and the discourse area ,
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
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speaker: C
text: But , it uh it would also maybe help be helpful for Liz , if she wanted to start working on some discourse issues , you know , looking at some of this data and then ,
speaker: C
text: you know <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: So when she gets here maybe that might be a good thing for her .
speaker: A
text: Actually , that 's another thing I was thinking about is that maybe Jane should talk to Liz , to see if there are any transcription issues related to discourse that she needs to get marked .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: Maybe we should have a big meeting meeting .
speaker: B
text: Sure ,
speaker: B
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speaker: D
text: That would be a meeting meeting meeting ?
speaker: A
text: A meeting meeting meeting .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Well this is the meeting about the meeting meeting meeting .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: C
text: Oh .
speaker: C
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speaker: A
text: Um .
speaker: C
text: But maybe we should , uh find some day that Liz <disfmarker> uh , Liz and Andreas seem to be around more often .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: So maybe we should find a day when they 're gonna be here and <disfmarker> and Morgan 's gonna be here ,
speaker: C
text: and we can meet ,
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text: I mean , not necessarily have the U - dub people down .
speaker: A
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speaker: C
text: We need <disfmarker> we need to talk to them some more .
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text: you know , say " this is what we 're thinking about for our transcription " , if nothing else .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
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speaker: C
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speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: What we 're using right now is a tool , um , from this French group , called " Transcriber "
speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: Um ,
speaker: A
text: so it has a , uh , nice useful Tcl - TK user interface
speaker: A
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speaker: D
text: Thi - this is the process of converting audio to text ?
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: And this requires humans just like the <disfmarker> the STP stuff .
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: So we 're <disfmarker> we 're at this point only looking for word level .
speaker: A
text: So all <disfmarker> all <disfmarker> so what you have to do is just identify a segment of speech in time , and then write down what was said within it ,
speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: And so the things we <disfmarker> that we know <disfmarker> that I know I want are <vocalsound> the text , the start and end , and the speaker .
speaker: A
text: But other people are interested in for example stress marking .
speaker: A
text: And so Jane is doing primary stress , <vocalsound> um , stress marks as well .
speaker: A
text: Um , and then things like repairs , and false starts , and , <vocalsound> filled pauses , and all that other sort of stuff , <vocalsound> we have to decide how much of that we wanna do .
speaker: E
text: I did include a glo <comment> uh , a certain first pass .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: and I think Liz has done some stuff too on that , that it , uh <disfmarker> <vocalsound> that you get it bracketed in terms of like <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: well , if it 's parenthetical , which I know that Liz has worked on , then <vocalsound> uh <disfmarker> y y you 'll have different prosodic aspects .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: Hmm .
speaker: E
text: And then also <vocalsound> if it 's a r if it 's a repair where they 're <disfmarker> like what I just did , <vocalsound> then it 's nice to have sort of a sense of the continuity of the utterance ,
speaker: E
text: the start to be to the finish .
speaker: E
text: And , uh , it 's a little bit deceptive if you include the repai the pre - repair part <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: and sometimes or of it 's in the middle .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
text: which isn't uh , very time - consuming .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: D
text: I is there already some sort of plan in place for how this gonna be staffed or done ?
speaker: D
text: Or is it real <disfmarker> is that what we 're talking about here ?
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: So what we wanted to do was have Jane do basically one meeting 's worth ,
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: As a pilot study .
speaker: A
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speaker: D
text: Yourself ?
speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
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text: as a pilot study .
speaker: D
text: It <disfmarker> this is <disfmarker> this is like five times real time or ten times real time <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Ten times about ,
speaker: A
text: is <disfmarker> and so one of the things was to get an estimate of how long it would take ,
speaker: A
text: and then also what tools we would use .
speaker: A
text: And so the next decision which has to be made actually pretty soon is how are we gonna do it ?
speaker: D
text: And so you make Jane do the first one
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: D
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speaker: D
text: just the words are fine .
speaker: E
text: That 's right ,
speaker: E
text: that 's right .
speaker: B
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speaker: E
text: I wanna hear about these <disfmarker> uh , we have a g you were s continuing with the transcription conventions for s
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: And I think that 's probably the right way to do it .
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: but I just can't imagine that we 're gonna get anything that much better from a commercial one .
speaker: A
text: And the commercial ones I 'm sure will be much more expensive .
speaker: D
text: Can't we get Joy to do it all ?
speaker: E
text: No , <vocalsound> that 's <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Yeah right .
speaker: D
text: Is tha wasn't that what she was doing before ?
speaker: A
text: We will just get Joy and Jane to do everything .
speaker: D
text: Yeah ,
speaker: D
text: that 's right .
speaker: A
text: But , you know , that 's what we 're talking about is getting some slaves who <disfmarker> who need money
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: I object to that characterization !
speaker: B
text: Oh , really .
speaker: A
text: I meant Joy .
speaker: A
text: And so again , I have to say " are we recording "
speaker: E
text: Oh , thank you .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: and then say , uh , Morgan has <disfmarker> has consistently resisted telling me how much money we have .
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: Well , the answer is zero .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: D
text: There 's a reason why he 's resisted .
speaker: D
text: But .
speaker: A
text: Well , if it 's zero then we can't do any transcription .
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: I mean , cuz we 're <disfmarker> we <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: I have such a hard name .
speaker: A
text: I mean , I <disfmarker> I can't imagine us doing it ourselves .
speaker: D
text: Well , we already <disfmarker> we already <disfmarker> <vocalsound> We already have a plan in place for the first meeting .
speaker: A
text: Right ?
speaker: D
text: Right ?
speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: There is also the o other possibility which is if you can provide not money but instructional experience or some other perks , <vocalsound> you can <disfmarker> you could get people to <disfmarker> to um , to do it in exchange .
speaker: D
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speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: and thing to do is just the field of dreams theory ,
speaker: D
text: which is we we go ahead as though there will be money at the time that we need the money .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: D
text: And that 's <disfmarker> that 's the best we can do .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: i b To not do anything until we get money is <disfmarker> is ridiculous .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: A
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speaker: D
text: We 're not gonna do any <disfmarker> get anything done if we do that .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: So at any rate , Jane was looking into the possibility of getting students ,
speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: Talking to people about that ?
speaker: E
text: I 'm afraid I haven't made any progress in that front yet .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: I should 've sent email and I haven't yet .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , right .
speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: D
text: Oh , we have .
speaker: D
text: I 'm sorry .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: yeah .
speaker: D
text: So that 's where you came up with the f the ten X number ?
speaker: D
text: Or is that really just a guess ?
speaker: E
text: Actually that 's the <disfmarker> the one people usually use , ten X .
speaker: E
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speaker: C
text: How fast are you ?
speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
text: Mmm .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: There 's some interesting human factors problems like , <vocalsound> yeah , what span of <disfmarker> of time is it useful to segment the thing into in order to uh , transcribe it the most quickly .
speaker: E
text: Cuz then , you know , you get like <disfmarker> <vocalsound> if you get a span of five words , that 's easy .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: But then you have to take the time to mark it .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: And then there 's the issue of <vocalsound> it 's easier to <disfmarker> <vocalsound> hear it th right the first time if you 've marked it at a boundary instead of <vocalsound> somewhere in the middle ,
speaker: E
text: cuz then the word 's bisected or whatever
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
text: And
speaker: E
text: so I mean , I 've been sort of playing with , uh , different ways of mar cuz I 'm thinking , you know , I mean , if you could get optimal instructions you could cut back on the number of hours it would take .
speaker: D
text: D does uh <disfmarker> this tool you 're using is strictly <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: it doesn't do any speech recognition does it ?
speaker: A
text: No .
speaker: E
text: No , it doesn't
speaker: E
text: but what a super tool .
speaker: E
text: It 's a great environment .
speaker: D
text: But <disfmarker> but is there anyway to <disfmarker> to wire a speech recognizer up to it
speaker: D
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speaker: E
text: That 's an interesting idea .
speaker: E
text: Hey !
speaker: A
text: We 've <disfmarker> we 've thought about doing that
speaker: A
text: but the recognition quality is gonna be horrendous .
speaker: D
text: Well , a couple things .
speaker: D
text: First of all the time marking you 'd get <disfmarker> you could get by a tool .
speaker: B
text: Wow .
speaker: B
text: That 's true .
speaker: D
text: And so if the <disfmarker> if <disfmarker> if the issue really
speaker: E
text: That 's interesting .
speaker: D
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speaker: D
text: You know , yo
speaker: A
text: Most of those are done by a person .
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: D
text: I know <disfmarker> I know that .
speaker: E
text: I
speaker: D
text: No , I understand .
speaker: D
text: And <disfmarker> in a lot of them you see typos and things like that ,
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: D
text: but it <disfmarker> but it occurs to me that <vocalsound> it may be a lot easier to correct things than it is to do things from scratch , no matter how wonderful the tool is .
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: C
text: Well , I mean , but sometimes it 's easier to type out something instead of going through and figuring out which is the right <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: That 'd be fun .
speaker: A
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speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: C
text: But we don't care about the timing of the words .
speaker: D
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speaker: E
text: No ,
speaker: A
text: We don't care about the timing of the words , just of the utterances .
speaker: E
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speaker: C
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
text: and , uh , be in the absence of more specific instructions , <vocalsound> we 're trying to figure out what the most convenient thing to do is .
speaker: A
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speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: And so , um , that 's nice because you <disfmarker> you separate when you do an extract , you get a little silence on either end .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: cuz it does take time to put those markings in .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: It 's really the i the interface is wonderful
speaker: E
text: because , you know , the time it takes is you listen to it , <vocalsound> and then you press the return key .
speaker: E
text: But then , you know , it 's like , <vocalsound> uh , you press the tab key to stop the flow and <disfmarker> <vocalsound> and , uh , the return key to p to put in a marking of the boundary .
speaker: E
text: But , you know , obviously there 's a lag between when you hear it and when you can press the return key
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: so it 's slightly delayed ,
speaker: E
text: so then you <disfmarker> you listen to it a second time and move it over to here .
speaker: E
text: So that takes time .
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
text: Hmm .
speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: uh , not in this case .
speaker: B
text: It could do that
speaker: B
text: couldn't it .
speaker: A
text: We could program that pretty easily ,
speaker: E
text: It has other <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: couldn't we Dan ?
speaker: A
text: Yeah , mis Mister TCL ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Oh , interesting point .
speaker: B
text: I would have thought so ,
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: E
text: Ah ! <comment> Interesting point .
speaker: E
text: OK , that would make a difference .
speaker: B
text: Mmm .
speaker: A
text: But , um <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: I mean , it 's not bad
speaker: A
text: But , if we tried to do automatic speaker ID .
speaker: E
text: but it does <disfmarker> take twice .
speaker: A
text: I mean , cuz primarily the markings are at speaker change .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , yeah ,
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text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: But we 've got <disfmarker> we 've got the most channel data .
speaker: A
text: But that would be <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: We 'd have to do it from your signal .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: Oh , good point !
speaker: B
text: I mean , we 've <disfmarker> we 've got <disfmarker> we 've got a lot of data .
speaker: E
text: Ah !
speaker: E
text: We 've got volume .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , I guess the question is how much time will it really save us versus the time to write all the tools to do it .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: but the chances are if we if we 're talking about collecting <vocalsound> ten or a hundred hours , which is going to take a hundred or a thousand hours to transcribe <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: If <disfmarker>
speaker: A
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speaker: D
text: if we can go from ten X to five X we 're doing a big <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: We 're gonna need <disfmarker> we 're gonna need ten to a hundred hours to train the tools , and validate the tools the do the d to <disfmarker> to do all this anyway .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: So maybe <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Wow .
speaker: E
text: But <disfmarker> but it op
speaker: B
text: If we 're just doing silence detection <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I knew you were gonna do that .
speaker: A
text: Just saw it coming .
speaker: E
text: I 'm sorry .
speaker: E
text: I wish you had told me <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: wish you 'd told me .
speaker: D
text: Put <disfmarker> put it on your sweater .
speaker: E
text: At what part ?
speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
text: Um , i it seems like <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Well ,
speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
text: I mean , it <disfmarker> it 's <disfmarker> it 's maybe like <disfmarker> <vocalsound> a week 's work to get to do something like this .
speaker: B
text: So forty or fifty hours .
speaker: E
text: Could you get it so that with <disfmarker> so it would <disfmarker> it would detect volume on a channel and insert a marker ?
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: And the <disfmarker> the format 's really transparent .
speaker: B
text: Sure .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: It 's just a matter of <vocalsound> a very c clear <disfmarker>
speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
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speaker: D
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speaker: C
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speaker: D
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: C
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
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text: but anyway , enough to work with .
speaker: C
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speaker: B
text: Several minutes .
speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: C
text: And then go through <disfmarker> I mean , and go through and <disfmarker> and try and re - transcribe it , given that we had perfect boundary detection .
speaker: E
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
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speaker: D
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: C
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speaker: B
text: Well , no , you should do it <disfmarker> you should do it <disfmarker> <vocalsound> Do it again from scratch
speaker: B
text: and then do it again at the boundaries .
speaker: B
text: So you do the whole thing three times
speaker: B
text: and then we get <disfmarker>
speaker: C
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speaker: E
text: No .
speaker: E
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speaker: D
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speaker: E
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speaker: D
text: And so you 'll get <disfmarker> you 'll get down to one point two X by the time you get done .
speaker: E
text: Oh , yeah .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
text: That 's all .
speaker: E
text: Exactly .
speaker: D
text: Uh , which is fine .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: It 's <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: And if the lower bound is nine X then w it 's a waste of time .
speaker: C
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speaker: E
text: Well , uh but there 's an extra problem which is that I didn't really keep accurate <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: uh , it wasn't a pure task the first time ,
speaker: B
text: Oh !
speaker: E
text: so <disfmarker> <vocalsound> uh , it 's gonna be an upper bound in <disfmarker> in that case .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: Or the boundaries .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: C
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speaker: A
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: A
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speaker: D
text: A little double - blind - ear kind of thing .
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: I see .
speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
text: And the thing to keep in mind too about this tool , guys is that <vocalsound> sure , you can do the computation for what we 're gonna do in the future
speaker: C
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
text: if <disfmarker> if that could handle speaker identification that 's a big deal .
speaker: B
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speaker: D
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: Yeah , that 's why we s bought the expensive microphones .
speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
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speaker: C
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speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: B
text: Yes .
speaker: D
text: But you didn't say anything worth while anyway , right ?
speaker: A
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speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
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speaker: A
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speaker: C
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: That 'd be so great .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
text: So , <vocalsound> I <disfmarker> when I <disfmarker> i the <disfmarker> it 's quickest for me in terms of <vocalsound> the transcription part <vocalsound> to say <vocalsound> something like , you know , if <disfmarker> <vocalsound> if Adam spoke to , um <disfmarker> to just say , " A colon " ,
speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
text: So , and then he has a script that will convert it into the <disfmarker> the thing that , uh , would indicate speaker ID .
speaker: E
text: If that 's clear .
speaker: A
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speaker: C
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: So <disfmarker> so I think the guess at ten X seems to be pretty standard .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: D
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speaker: E
text: That 's right .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
text: which is a service that you send an audio file ,
speaker: A
text: they do a first - pass speech recognition .
speaker: A
text: And then they <disfmarker> they do a clean up .
speaker: A
text: But it 's gonna be horrible .
speaker: A
text: They 're never gonna be able to do a meeting like this .
speaker: E
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speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: So for other services , um , they were about thirty dollars an hour .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
text: Or of action ?
speaker: A
text: Thirty <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: So , yeah .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: OK .
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speaker: E
text: Oh !
speaker: A
text: So <disfmarker> so if it 's ten times it 's three hundred dollars an hour .
speaker: C
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speaker: D
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speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: Interesting .
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: And , uh , so it was only people who have web pages and are doing stuff through that .
speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
text: right ?
speaker: D
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speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
text: Why ?
speaker: D
text: Because they wanted a lot more detail ?
speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: D
text: Only had two .
speaker: A
text: Trivial .
speaker: A
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speaker: D
text: Oh , I see .
speaker: D
text: So what took them so long ?
speaker: A
text: Um , mostly because they were doing much lower level time .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
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speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: D
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: Twenty - eight to thirty - two dollars an hour .
speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
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speaker: C
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: D
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
text: So what they had is , <vocalsound> if it 's an easy task it costs twenty - four dollars an hour
speaker: A
text: and it will take maybe five or six times real time .
speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
text: I see .
speaker: A
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speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: It would probably be a little more
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
text: And so he so here we 're thinking , " well let 's see , if the meeting goes another hour it 's going to be another thousand dollars . "
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: B
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speaker: D
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: B
text: That 's right .
speaker: D
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speaker: E
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speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: We could have some telegraphic meetings .
speaker: E
text: That might be interesting .
speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
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speaker: C
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speaker: D
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speaker: B
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: C
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speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
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speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
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speaker: C
text: Let 's say ten .
speaker: B
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speaker: D
text: The - these are not for engineering graduate students , right ?
speaker: C
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speaker: A
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speaker: A
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speaker: D
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speaker: C
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speaker: A
text: Six .
speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: E
text: Yeah , that 's right .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: That 's right .
speaker: C
text: Um ,
speaker: C
text: so that means that even if it takes them thirty times real time it 's cheaper to <disfmarker> to do graduate students .
speaker: E
text: And there 's another aspect too .
speaker: A
text: I mean , that 's why I said originally , that I couldn't imagine sending it out 's gonna be cheaper .
speaker: B
text: No , it isn't .
speaker: E
text: The other thing too is that , uh , if they were linguistics they 'd be <disfmarker> you know , in terms of like the post editing , i uh <disfmarker> tu uh content wise they might be easier to handle
speaker: B
text: So .
speaker: E
text: cuz they might get it more right the first time .
speaker: A
text: And also we would have control of <disfmarker> I mean , we could give them feedback .
speaker: A
text: Whereas if we do a service it 's gonna be limited amount .
speaker: E
text: Mmm .
speaker: B
text: Yep , yep .
speaker: E
text: Good point .
speaker: A
text: I mean , we can't tell them , you know , " for this meeting we really wanna mark stress
speaker: B
text: Yep .
speaker: A
text: and for this meeting we want <disfmarker> "
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: E
text: Good point .
speaker: A
text: And <disfmarker> and they 're not gonna provide <disfmarker> they 're not gonna provide stress ,
speaker: A
text: they 're not gonna re provide repairs ,
speaker: A
text: they 're not gonna <vocalsound> provide <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: they <disfmarker> they may or may not provide speaker ID .
speaker: A
text: So that we would have to do our own tools to do that .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: So <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Just hypoth hypothetically assuming that <disfmarker> that we go ahead and ended up using graduate students .
speaker: A
text: I just <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: I who <disfmarker> who 's the person in charge ?
speaker: D
text: Who 's gonna be the Steve here ?
speaker: D
text: You ?
speaker: A
text: I hope it 's Jane .
speaker: E
text: Oh , interesting .
speaker: A
text: Is that alright ?
speaker: E
text: Um , now would this involve some manner of uh , monetary compensation
speaker: E
text: or would I be the voluntary , uh , coordinator of multiple transcribers for checking ?
speaker: A
text: Um , I would imagine there would be some monetary involved
speaker: A
text: but we 'd have to talk to Morgan about it .
speaker: B
text: Yeah ,
speaker: B
text: out of <disfmarker> out of Adam 's pocket .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: You know , it just means you have to stop working for Dave .
speaker: E
text: Oh ,
speaker: D
text: See ?
speaker: E
text: I don't wanna stop working for Dave .
speaker: D
text: That 's why Dave should have been here .
speaker: D
text: To pr protect his people .
speaker: A
text: Well , I would like you to do it
speaker: E
text: Oh , cool .
speaker: A
text: because you have a lot more experience than I do ,
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: A
text: but if <disfmarker> if that 's not feasible , I will do it with you as an advisor .
speaker: D
text: W we 'd like you to do it
speaker: E
text: We 'll see .
speaker: D
text: and we 'd like to pay you .
speaker: D
text: Not being Morgan though , it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Oh , I see .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: We 'd like to .
speaker: E
text: Well <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Unfortunately <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , six dollars an hour .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , I see .
speaker: C
text: That 's a <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: And <disfmarker> and then <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Boy , if I wanted to increase my income I could start doing the transcribing again .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , that 's right .
speaker: D
text: an an an and be and be sure and say , would you like fries with that when you 're thinking about your pay scale .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: I see .
speaker: E
text: Good .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , no , that <disfmarker> I <disfmarker> I would be interested in that <disfmarker> in becoming involved in the project in some aspect like that <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: More .
speaker: E
text: more .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Um , any more on transcript we wanna talk about ?
speaker: B
text: What s so what are you <disfmarker> so you 've done some portion of the first meeting .
speaker: E
text: Yes .
speaker: B
text: And what 's your plan ?
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: To carry on doing it ?
speaker: E
text: What <disfmarker> Well , you know what I thought was right now we have p
speaker: E
text: So I gave him the proposal for the transcription conventions .
speaker: E
text: He made his , uh , suggestion of improvement .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: The <disfmarker> the <disfmarker> It 's a good suggestion .
speaker: E
text: So as far as I 'm concerned those transcription conventions are fixed right now .
speaker: E
text: And so my next plan would be <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: What <disfmarker> what do they <disfmarker> what do they cover ?
speaker: E
text: They 're very minimal .
speaker: E
text: So , <vocalsound> it would be good to <disfmarker> just to summarize that .
speaker: E
text: So , um , <vocalsound> one of them is the idea of how to indicate speaker change ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: and this is a way which meshes well with <disfmarker> with , uh , making it <vocalsound> so that , uh , you know , on the <disfmarker> At the <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Boy , it 's such a nice interface .
speaker: E
text: When you <disfmarker> when you get the , um <disfmarker> you <disfmarker> you get the speech signal you also get <vocalsound> down beneath it , <vocalsound> an indication of , <vocalsound> uh ,
speaker: E
text: if you have two speakers overlapping in a s in a single segment , you see them <vocalsound> one <disfmarker> displayed one above each other .
speaker: E
text: And then at the same time <vocalsound> the top s part of the screen is the actual verbatim thing .
speaker: E
text: You can clip <disfmarker> click on individual utterances and it 'll take you immediately to that part of the speech signal , and play it for you .
speaker: E
text: And you can , eh you can work pretty well between those two <disfmarker> these two things .
speaker: D
text: Is there a limit to the number of speakers ?
speaker: A
text: Um , the user interface only allows two .
speaker: B
text: Hmm .
speaker: A
text: And so if <disfmarker> if you 're using their interface to specify overlapping speakers you can only do two .
speaker: A
text: But my script can handle any .
speaker: A
text: And their save format can handle any .
speaker: A
text: And so , um , using this <disfmarker> the convention that Jane and I have discussed , you can have as many overlapping speakers as you want .
speaker: D
text: Do y is this a , uh , university project ?
speaker: D
text: Th - this is the French software , right ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Yeah ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah , yeah ,
speaker: A
text: French .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: their academic .
speaker: A
text: And they 're <disfmarker> they 've been quite responsive .
speaker: D
text: eh
speaker: A
text: I 've been exchanging emails on various issues .
speaker: B
text: Oh , really ?
speaker: E
text: Oh .
speaker: D
text: Uh , did you ask them to change the interface for more speakers ?
speaker: A
text: Yes ,
speaker: A
text: and they said that 's on <disfmarker> in <disfmarker> in the works for the next version .
speaker: D
text: Good .
speaker: D
text: Good .
speaker: C
text: Oh , so multi multichannels .
speaker: A
text: Multichannels was also <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Well , they said they wanted to do it but that the code is really very organized around single channels .
speaker: C
text: I see .
speaker: A
text: So I think that 's n unlikely to ha happen .
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: Do - do you know what they 're using it for ?
speaker: D
text: Why 'd they develop it ?
speaker: A
text: For this exact task ?
speaker: D
text: Are they linguists ?
speaker: C
text: For transcription .
speaker: C
text: It 's <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: But I mean , are they <disfmarker> are they linguists or are they speech recognition people ?
speaker: A
text: I think they 're linguists .
speaker: E
text: Ho
speaker: E
text: Hmm .
speaker: B
text: Linguists .
speaker: C
text: They 're <disfmarker> they have some connection to the LDC
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: cuz the LDC has been advising them on this process ,
speaker: C
text: the Linguistic Data Consortium .
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: Um ,
speaker: C
text: so <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: but a apart from that .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: It 's also <disfmarker> All the source is available .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: Great .
speaker: A
text: If you <disfmarker> if you speak TCLTK .
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: And they have <disfmarker> they 've actually asked if we are willing to do any development
speaker: A
text: and I said , well , maybe .
speaker: D
text: Good .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: So if we want <disfmarker> if we did <disfmarker> if we did something like programmed in a delay , which actually I think is a great idea , um , I 'm sure they would want that incorporated back in .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , I do too .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: D
text: Their pre pre - lay .
speaker: B
text: Pre - lay .
speaker: E
text: Pre - lay .
speaker: A
text: Way .
speaker: E
text: Well , and they 've thought about things .
speaker: E
text: You know , I mean , they <disfmarker> they do have <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: So you have <disfmarker> when you <disfmarker> when you play it back , um , it 's <disfmarker> it is useful to have , uh , a <disfmarker> a break mark to <disfmarker> se segment it .
speaker: E
text: But it wouldn't be strictly necessary
speaker: E
text: cuz you can use the <disfmarker> uh , the tabbed key to toggle <vocalsound> the sound on and off .
speaker: E
text: I mean , it 'll stop the s speech you know if you if you press a tab .
speaker: E
text: And , um .
speaker: E
text: And so ,
speaker: E
text: uh , that 's a nice feature .
speaker: E
text: And then also once you 've put a break in then you have the option of <vocalsound> cycling through the unit .
speaker: E
text: You could do it like multiply
speaker: E
text: until you get <comment> crazy and decide to stop cycling through that unit .
speaker: D
text: Loop it ?
speaker: E
text: Or <disfmarker> or <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Yo - you n you know , there 's al also the <disfmarker> the user interface that 's missing .
speaker: E
text: or <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: It 's missing from all of our offices ,
speaker: D
text: and that is some sort of analog input for something like this .
speaker: D
text: It 's what audio people actually use of course .
speaker: D
text: It 's something that wh <vocalsound> when you move your hand further , the sound goes faster past it ,
speaker: D
text: like fast forward .
speaker: D
text: You know , like a joy stick
speaker: D
text: or a <disfmarker> uh , you could wire a mouse or trackball to do something like that .
speaker: E
text: Why , that 's <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: That 's not something I wanted to have happen .
speaker: D
text: No , but I 'm saying if this is what professionals who actually do this kind of thing for <disfmarker> for <disfmarker> for <disfmarker> m for video or for audio <disfmarker> <vocalsound> where you <disfmarker> you need to do this ,
speaker: E
text: I see .
speaker: E
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: D
text: and so you get very good at sort of jostling back and forth , rather than hitting tab , and backspace , and carriage return , and enter , and things like that .
speaker: B
text: Mmm .
speaker: B
text: Mmm .
speaker: E
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , we talked about things like foot pedals and other analog <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: So <vocalsound> I mean , tho those are things we could do
speaker: A
text: but
speaker: A
text: I <disfmarker> I just don't know how much it 's worth doing .
speaker: D
text: Ye - Yeah .
speaker: A
text: I mean we 're just gonna have <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: I <disfmarker> I agree .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: They <disfmarker> they have several options .
speaker: E
text: So , uh , you know , I mentioned the looping option .
speaker: E
text: Another option is it 'll pause when it reaches the end of the boundary .
speaker: E
text: And then to get to the next boundary you just press tab
speaker: E
text: and it goes on to the next unit .
speaker: A
text: Hmm .
speaker: E
text: I mean , it 's very nicely thought out .
speaker: D
text: Cool .
speaker: E
text: They thought about <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: Hmm .
speaker: E
text: and also it 'll <vocalsound> go around the c the , uh ,
speaker: E
text: I wanna say cursor
speaker: E
text: but I 'm not sure if that 's the right thing .
speaker: A
text: Point ,
speaker: A
text: whatever .
speaker: E
text: Anyway , you can <disfmarker> so they thought about different ways of having windows that you c uh work within ,
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: and <disfmarker> But so in terms of the con the conventions , then , <vocalsound> uh , basically , <vocalsound> uh , it 's strictly orthographic
speaker: E
text: which means with some w provisions for , uh , w uh , <vocalsound> colloquial forms .
speaker: E
text: So if a person said , " cuz " instead of " because " then I put a <disfmarker> <vocalsound> an apostrophe at the beginning of the word and then in <disfmarker> in double ang angle brackets what the full lexical item would be .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: And this could be <vocalsound> something that was handled by a table or something
speaker: E
text: but I think <vocalsound> to have a convention marking it as a non - standard or wha I don't mean standard <disfmarker> but a <disfmarker> a <disfmarker> a non <vocalsound> uh , ortho orthographic , uh , whatever .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: Non - canonical .
speaker: E
text: " Gonna " or " wanna " ,
speaker: E
text: you know , the same thing .
speaker: E
text: And <disfmarker> and there would be limits to how much refinement you want in indicating something as non - standard pres pronunciation .
speaker: C
text: How are you handling backchannels ?
speaker: E
text: Backchannels ?
speaker: E
text: Um ,
speaker: A
text: Comments .
speaker: E
text: you know <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: oh , yes ,
speaker: E
text: there was some <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: in my view , when i when you 've got it densely overlapping , um , I didn't worry about <disfmarker> I didn't worry about s specific start times .
speaker: C
text: What do you mean by du
speaker: E
text: I sort of thought that this is not gonna be <comment> easily processed anyway
speaker: E
text: and <vocalsound> maybe I shouldn't spend too much time getting exactly when the person said <vocalsound> " no " , or , you know , uh , i " immediate " .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: And instead just sort of rendered " within this time slot , <vocalsound> there were two people speaking during part of it
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: and <vocalsound> if you want more detail , figure it out for yourself " ,
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: I see .
speaker: A
text: Well , I think what <disfmarker> w what Eric was talking about was channels other than the direct speech ,
speaker: E
text: was sort of the way I felt @ @ <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: right ?
speaker: C
text: Well , yeah ,
speaker: C
text: what I mean is wh I mean , when somebody says " uh - huh " in the middle of , uh , a @ @ <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: E
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: E
text: That happened very seldom .
speaker: C
text: Oh , cuz I was <disfmarker> I was listening to <disfmarker> Dan was agreeing a lot to things that you were saying as you were talking .
speaker: D
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: D
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: E
text: Oh , well , thank you Dan .
speaker: C
text: So .
speaker: E
text: Appreciate it .
speaker: E
text: Well , if it <disfmarker> if there was a word like " right " , you know , then I wou I would indicate <vocalsound> that it happened within the same tem time frame
speaker: A
text: Yeah , there 's an overlapping mark .
speaker: C
text: And <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: but wouldn't say exactly when it happened .
speaker: D
text: I 'll be right back .
speaker: B
text: I transcribed a minute of this stuff
speaker: C
text: I see .
speaker: B
text: and there was a lot of overlapping .
speaker: B
text: It was <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: A lot of overlapping , yeah .
speaker: A
text: Well there there 's a lot of overlapping at the beginning and end .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Huge amounts .
speaker: B
text: It was at the beginning .
speaker: A
text: Um , when <disfmarker> when no one i when we 're not actually in the meeting , <vocalsound> and we 're all sort of separated , and <disfmarker> and doing things .
speaker: A
text: But even during the meeting there 's a lot of overlap
speaker: A
text: but it <disfmarker> it 's marked pretty clearly .
speaker: A
text: Um , some of the backchannel stuff Jane had some comments <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: and <disfmarker> but I think a lot of them were because you were at the meeting .
speaker: A
text: And so I think that <disfmarker> that often <disfmarker> <vocalsound> often you can't tell .
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: well that 's true .
speaker: E
text: That 's another issue .
speaker: A
text: I mean , Jane had <disfmarker> had comments like uh , to <disfmarker> who <disfmarker> who the person was speaking to .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: Only when it was otherwise gonna be puzzling
speaker: E
text: because he was in the other room talking .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , but someone who , uh , <vocalsound> was just the transcriber wouldn't have known that .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: That 's true .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: Or when Dan said , " I wa I wasn't talking to you " .
speaker: E
text: I know .
speaker: D
text: So you take a bathroom break in the middle and <disfmarker> and keep your head mount
speaker: A
text: You have to turn off your mike .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Oh , you do ?
speaker: E
text: Well he was
speaker: B
text: You don't have to .
speaker: E
text: so <disfmarker> so he was checking the meter levels
speaker: E
text: and <disfmarker> and we were handling things while he was labeling the <disfmarker> the whatever it was ,
speaker: E
text: the PDA ?
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: E
text: And <disfmarker> and so he was <disfmarker> in <disfmarker> sort of <disfmarker> you were sort of talking <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: you know ,
speaker: E
text: so I was saying , like <disfmarker> <vocalsound> " and I could label this one left .
speaker: E
text: Right ? "
speaker: E
text: And he <disfmarker> and he said , " I don't see anything " .
speaker: E
text: And he said <disfmarker> <vocalsound> he said , <vocalsound> " I wasn't talking to you " .
speaker: E
text: Or <disfmarker> it wasn't <disfmarker> it didn't sound quite that rude .
speaker: A
text: But <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: But really , no , uh <disfmarker> w you know in the context if you know he can't hear what he 's saying <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: but when you w when you listen to it <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: he he
speaker: D
text: It was a lot funnier if you were there though .
speaker: E
text: Uh , yeah ,
speaker: E
text: I know .
speaker: E
text: Well , you 'll see .
speaker: A
text: Well what <disfmarker> what it <disfmarker> what happens is if you 're a transcriber listening to it it sounds like Dan is just being a total <disfmarker> <vocalsound> totally impolite .
speaker: E
text: You can listen to it .
speaker: E
text: Oh , I thought it was you who was .
speaker: E
text: No , well , but you were <disfmarker> you were asking off the wall questions .
speaker: A
text: Um <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: But <disfmarker> but if you knew that <disfmarker> that I wasn't actually in the room , and that Dan wasn't talking to me , it <disfmarker> it became OK .
speaker: B
text: I see .
speaker: D
text: So th
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: E
text: And that 's w that 's where I added comments .
speaker: C
text: Hmm .
speaker: E
text: The rest of the time I didn't bother with who was talking to who
speaker: E
text: but <disfmarker> but this was unusual circum circumstance .
speaker: D
text: So this is <disfmarker> this is gonna go on the meeting meeting transcriber bloopers tape , right ?
speaker: A
text: Yes .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: Well and part of it was funny , uh <disfmarker> reason was because it was a mixed signal
speaker: E
text: so you couldn't get any clues from volume <vocalsound> that , you know , he was really far away from this conversation .
speaker: A
text: Stereo .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: You couldn't do that symmetrically in any case .
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: A
text: Oh .
speaker: A
text: I should rewrite the mix tool to put half the people in one channel and half in the other .
speaker: A
text: I have a <pause> auto - gain - mixer tool that mixes all the head mounted microphones into one signal
speaker: E
text: That 's a good idea .
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: and that seems to work really well for the uh <pause> transcribers .
speaker: D
text: Great .
speaker: E
text: But I thought it would be <disfmarker> you know , I <disfmarker> I didn't wanna add more contextual comments than were needed
speaker: E
text: but that , it seemed to me , clarified that the con what was going on .
speaker: E
text: And , uh <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: OK ,
speaker: E
text: so normalization <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: So , s
speaker: C
text: I was just gonna ask , uh , so I just wanted to c sort of finish off the question I had about backchannels ,
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: if that 's OK ,
speaker: B
text: Mmm .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: which <disfmarker> which was , so say somebody 's talking for a while
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: and somebody goes " mm - hmm " in the middle of it , and <disfmarker> and <disfmarker> and what not ,
speaker: C
text: does the conversation come out from the <disfmarker> or the person who 's speaking for the long time as one segment and then there 's this little tiny segment <vocalsound> of this other speaker
speaker: C
text: or does it <disfmarker> does the fact that there 's a backchannel split the <disfmarker> the <disfmarker> the <disfmarker> it in two .
speaker: E
text: OK , my <disfmarker> my focus was to try and maintain conten con content continuity and , uh , to keep it within what he was saying .
speaker: E
text: Like <vocalsound> I wouldn't say breath groups but prosodic or intonational groups as much as possible .
speaker: E
text: So <vocalsound> if someone said " mm - hmm " in the middle of a <disfmarker> of someone 's , <vocalsound> uh , uh , intonational contour , <vocalsound> I <disfmarker> I indicated it as , like what you just did .
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: then I indicated it as a segment which contained <vocalsound> @ @ <comment> this utterance plus an overlap .
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: But that 's <disfmarker> but there 's only one <disfmarker> there 's only one time boundary for both speakers ,
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: that 's right .
speaker: B
text: right ?
speaker: E
text: And you know , it could be made more precise than that
speaker: E
text: but I just thought <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: I see ,
speaker: C
text: I see ,
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: I think whenever we use these speech words we should always <vocalsound> do the thing like you 're talking about , accent ,
speaker: E
text: Oh , I see what you mean .
speaker: E
text: And then <pause> " hesitation " .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: OK ,
speaker: E
text: and so then , uh , in terms of like words like " uh " and " um " I just wrote them
speaker: E
text: because I figured there 's a limited number ,
speaker: E
text: and I keep them to a <disfmarker> uh , limited set
speaker: E
text: because it didn't matter if it was " mmm " or " um " , <comment> <vocalsound> you know , versus " um " .
speaker: E
text: So I just always wrote it as U M .
speaker: E
text: And " uh - huh " , you know , " UHUH . " I mean , like a s set of like five .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: But in any case <disfmarker> <vocalsound> I didn't mark those .
speaker: C
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: B
text: " Uh - huh " is " U H H U H . "
speaker: B
text: H U H . "
speaker: E
text: I 'd be happy with that .
speaker: E
text: That 'd be fine .
speaker: E
text: It 'd be good to have that in the <disfmarker> in the conventions , what 's to be used .
speaker: C
text: Huh - uh .
speaker: A
text: I <disfmarker> I did notice that there were some segments that had pauses on the beginning and end .
speaker: A
text: We should probably mark areas that have no speakers as no speaker .
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: that 's a fine idea .
speaker: A
text: Then , so question mark colon is fine for that .
speaker: E
text: That 's a fine idea .
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: Well , what 's that mean ?
speaker: A
text: Just say silence .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: You mean re
speaker: A
text: No one 's talking .
speaker: D
text: ye s Oh .
speaker: D
text: Silence all around .
speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: D
text: Yep .
speaker: E
text: So I had <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: We have to mark those ?
speaker: E
text: I d
speaker: B
text: Don't they <disfmarker> d can't we just leave them unmarked ?
speaker: E
text: Well , you see , that 's possible too .
speaker: A
text: Well , I wanna leave the marked <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I don't want them to be part of another utterance .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: So you just <disfmarker> you need to have the boundary at the start and the end .
speaker: B
text: Sure .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: Now that 's refinement that , uh , maybe it could be handled by part of the <disfmarker> part of the script or something more <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Uh , yeah ,
speaker: B
text: it seems like <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: it seems like the , uh , tran the transcription problem would be very different if we had these <vocalsound> automatic speaker detection turn placing things .
speaker: B
text: Because suddenly <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: I mean , I don't know ,
speaker: B
text: actually it sounds like there might be a problem <vocalsound> putting it into the software if the software only handles two parallel channels .
speaker: B
text: But assuming we can get around that somehow .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: Well you were saying , I think it can read <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: It can read and write as many as you want ,
speaker: A
text: it 's just that it
speaker: E
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: B
text: But what if you wanna edit it ?
speaker: B
text: Right ?
speaker: B
text: I mean , the point is we 're gonna generate <vocalsound> this transcript with five <disfmarker> five tracks in it , but with no words .
speaker: B
text: Someone 's gonna have to go in and type in the words .
speaker: B
text: Um ,
speaker: B
text: and if there are five <disfmarker> five people speaking at once ,
speaker: A
text: Right , i it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I didn't explain it well .
speaker: A
text: If we use the <disfmarker> the little <disfmarker> the conventions that Jane has established , I have a script that will convert from that convention to their saved convention .
speaker: B
text: Oh , yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yes .
speaker: E
text: Which allows five .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: And it can be m edited after the fact ,
speaker: E
text: can't it also ?
speaker: A
text: Yes .
speaker: E
text: But their <disfmarker> but their format , if you wanted to in indicate the speakers right there instead of doing it through this indirect route , <vocalsound> then i they <disfmarker> a c window comes up and it only allows you to enter two speakers .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: But you 're saying that by the time you call it back in to <disfmarker> from their saved format it opens up a window with window with five speakers ?
speaker: E
text: So .
speaker: E
text: But .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: Oh !
speaker: D
text: That is sort of <pause> f
speaker: D
text: They didn't quite go the whole <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: It 's just user interface .
speaker: A
text: So i it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Yeah , they didn't go the whole route ,
speaker: D
text: did they ?
speaker: A
text: the <disfmarker> the <disfmarker> the whole saved form the saved format and the internal format , all that stuff , handles multiple speakers .
speaker: D
text: They just <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: It 's just there 's no user interface for specifying multiple <disfmarker> any more than two .
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: So your <disfmarker> your script solves <disfmarker> Doesn't it solve all our problems ,
speaker: E
text: And that <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: D
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speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: D
text: uh , assuming it works .
speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: E
text: And that works nicely cuz this so quick to enter .
speaker: E
text: So I wouldn't wanna do it through the interface anyway adding which <disfmarker> worry who the speaker was .
speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: D
text: I see .
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: Good .
speaker: E
text: And then , uh , let 's see what else .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
text: So sometimes a pers I <disfmarker> uh
speaker: E
text: in terms of like the continuity of thought <vocalsound> for transcriptions , it 's <disfmarker> i it isn't just words coming out ,
speaker: E
text: it 's like there 's some purpose for an utterance .
speaker: E
text: And <vocalsound> sometimes someone will <vocalsound> do a backchannel in the middle of it
speaker: E
text: but you wanna show that it 's continued at a later point .
speaker: E
text: So I have <disfmarker> I have a convention of putting like a dash <vocalsound> arrow just to indicate that this person 's utterance continues .
speaker: E
text: And then when it uh , catches back up again then there 's an arrow dash ,
speaker: E
text: and then you have the opposite direction <vocalsound> to indicate continuation of ones own utterance versus ,
speaker: E
text: um ,
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speaker: B
text: Mmm .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: cuz it 's <disfmarker> the speakers the same .
speaker: E
text: And then tilde arrow if it was a different <disfmarker> if a different speaker , uh , con continuation .
speaker: B
text: Mmm .
speaker: A
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: But just , you know , the arrows showing continuation of a thought .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: And then you could track whether it was the same speaker or not by knowing <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: you know , at the end of this unit you 'd know what happened later .
speaker: E
text: And that was like this person continued
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: and you 'd be able to <vocalsound> look for the continuation .
speaker: B
text: But the only time that becomes ambiguous is if you have two speakers .
speaker: A
text: So
speaker: B
text: Like , if you <disfmarker> <vocalsound> If you only have one person , if you only have one thought that 's continuing across a particular time boundary , you just need <vocalsound> one arrow at each end ,
speaker: B
text: and if it 's picked up by a different speaker , it 's picked up by a different speaker .
speaker: B
text: The time it becomes ambiguous if you have more than one speaker and that <disfmarker> and they sort of swap .
speaker: B
text: I guess if you have more than one thread going , then you <disfmarker> <vocalsound> then you need to know whether they were swapped or not .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: How often does that happen do you think ?
speaker: B
text: Hopefully not very much .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , I didn't use it very often .
speaker: A
text: Especially for meetings .
speaker: D
text: It l ou
speaker: A
text: I mean , if i if you were just recording someone 's day , it would be impossible . You know ,
speaker: A
text: if you were trying to do a remembrance agent .
speaker: A
text: But I think for meetings it 's probably alright .
speaker: C
text: Hmm .
speaker: A
text: But , a lot of these issues , I think that for <disfmarker> uh , from my point of view , where I just wanna do speech recognition and information retrieval , it doesn't really matter .
speaker: B
text: Sure .
speaker: B
text: I know .
speaker: A
text: But other people have other interests .
speaker: B
text: But it <disfmarker> it does feel <disfmarker> it does feel like it 's really in there .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: B
text: I <disfmarker> you know I did this <disfmarker> I did this transcription
speaker: B
text: and I marked that , I marked it with ellipsis
speaker: B
text: because it seemed like there was a difference .
speaker: B
text: It 's something you wanted to indicate that it <disfmarker> that I <disfmarker> this was the end of the phrase ,
speaker: B
text: this was the end of <vocalsound> that particular transcript ,
speaker: B
text: but it was continued later .
speaker: B
text: And I picked up with an ellipsis .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: Excellent .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: I didn't have the equal , not equal thing .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
text: Yeah , yeah .
speaker: E
text: and it didn't do <disfmarker> I didn't do it in ten times the <disfmarker> <vocalsound> the time .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Well , so anyway , are we interested then in writing tools to try to generate any of this stuff automatically ?
speaker: A
text: Is that something you want to do , Dan ?
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: B
text: But it 's something @ @ that I feel we definitely ought to do .
speaker: A
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speaker: E
text: I also wanted to ask you if you have a time estimate on the part that you transcribed .
speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
text: but I didn't have any <disfmarker> I didn't even have a <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: It was horrible .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: So thirty to one 's what you got ?
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: D
text: So that 's a new upper limit ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
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speaker: B
text: Is it <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: But I think for a first try that 's about right .
speaker: C
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speaker: D
text: That 's right .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
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speaker: B
text: It was actually <disfmarker> it was quite <disfmarker> it was a t
speaker: A
text: If we <pause> hire an infinite number of Dan 's <disfmarker>
speaker: E
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speaker: D
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speaker: B
text: it w
speaker: A
text: Are we gonna run out of disk space by the way ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: A
text: OK ,
speaker: A
text: good .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: D
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speaker: C
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speaker: C
text: Is there <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: No .
speaker: C
text: Maybe we should s consider also , um , starting to build up a web site around all of these things .
speaker: B
text: Web site !
speaker: B
text: That 's great !
speaker: C
text: I know .
speaker: A
text: Dan 's sort of already started .
speaker: B
text: We could have like business - to - business E - commerce as well !
speaker: C
text: That 's right .
speaker: C
text: No , but I 'm
speaker: C
text: it would be interesting <disfmarker> it would be interesting to see <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Can we sell banner ads ?
speaker: D
text: Get <disfmarker> get paid for click - throughs ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: What a good idea ,
speaker: A
text: that 's how we could pay for the transcription .
speaker: C
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speaker: C
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speaker: B
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speaker: D
text: You wanna word that won't be recognized ?
speaker: C
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speaker: C
text: Exactly .
speaker: E
text: Oh , I don't think so .
speaker: C
text: Um .
speaker: C
text: No .
speaker: C
text: The r
speaker: A
text: Hey , what about me ?
speaker: C
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speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: You 're the one who raised the issue .
speaker: C
text: No .
speaker: C
text: Alright ,
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text: see here 's <disfmarker> here 's <disfmarker> here 's my thought behind it
speaker: C
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speaker: E
text: Alright .
speaker: C
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speaker: C
text: I I 'd like to be able to <disfmarker> to pore through , you know , the <disfmarker> the types of tr conventions that you 've come up with and stuff like that .
speaker: B
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speaker: C
text: So I would like to see that kind of stuff on the web .
speaker: E
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
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speaker: B
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speaker: E
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speaker: C
text: Either 's fine .
speaker: B
text: We c
speaker: E
text: but it doesn't matter .
speaker: A
text: We can do it all .
speaker: B
text: we can do it all !
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: We can write <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Web site 's nice .
speaker: B
text: Oh .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Then you have to t you have to do an HT access .
speaker: D
text: Web site 's what ?
speaker: B
text: We could actually <disfmarker> maybe we could use the TCL plug - in .
speaker: B
text: Oh , man .
speaker: E
text: Ooo !
speaker: E
text: He 's committed himself to something .
speaker: C
text: Ow .
speaker: C
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speaker: D
text: But he does such a good job of it .
speaker: D
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speaker: E
text: I know , I know .
speaker: B
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speaker: B
text: but that <disfmarker> but , I <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: But I should be allowed to
speaker: B
text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: If you just did a crappy job , <vocalsound> no nobody would want you to do it .
speaker: B
text: I sh I shouldn't be allowed to by m by my own <disfmarker> <vocalsound> by my <disfmarker> according to my own priorities .
speaker: B
text: Alright .
speaker: B
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speaker: B
text: So definitely we should <disfmarker> we should have some kind of access to the data .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: And we have <disfmarker> we have quite a disparate number of web and other sorts of documents on this project sort of spread around .
speaker: A
text: I have several
speaker: A
text: and Dan has a few ,
speaker: B
text: Yes .
speaker: E
text: Ah !
speaker: C
text: Right ,
speaker: C
text: so we can add in links and stuff like that to other things .
speaker: A
text: and <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Nice .
speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: B
text: Well , yeah .
speaker: C
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speaker: B
text: Well so then th
speaker: A
text: Try <disfmarker> try to s consolidate .
speaker: A
text: I mean , who wants to do that though ?
speaker: B
text: the other side is , yeah .
speaker: C
text: Uh , right .
speaker: A
text: No one wants to do that .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: B
text: Right ,
speaker: B
text: that 's the problem .
speaker: D
text: Why ?
speaker: D
text: What <disfmarker> what 's <disfmarker> what 's the issue ?
speaker: C
text: Well , we could put <disfmarker> we could put sort of a disorganized sort of group gestalt <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: No one owns the project .
speaker: D
text: No one what ?
speaker: B
text: No one owns the project .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , I own the project
speaker: A
text: but I don't wanna do it .
speaker: B
text: No one wants to own the project .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: W well <pause> Do <disfmarker> But <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: It 's mine !
speaker: A
text: All mine !
speaker: B
text: Well then you have to do the web site .
speaker: D
text: But <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: You know , it 's like , it 's that simple .
speaker: A
text: " Wah - hah - hah - hah - hah - hah . "
speaker: D
text: b but <disfmarker> but <disfmarker> but what are you <disfmarker> what are you talking about for web site hacking ?
speaker: B
text: No <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: You 're talking about writing HTML , right ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , I <disfmarker> I 'm talking about putting together all the data in a form that <disfmarker> that is legible , and pleasant to read , and up to date , and et cetera , et cetera , et cetera .
speaker: D
text: But , is it against the law to actually use a tool to help your job go easier ?
speaker: A
text: Absolutely .
speaker: A
text: It 's <disfmarker> it 's absolutely against the law to use a tool .
speaker: D
text: You y
speaker: A
text: I haven't found any tools that I like .
speaker: A
text: It 's just as easy to use <disfmarker> to edit the raw HTML as anything else .
speaker: D
text: No kidding ?
speaker: B
text: That 's obviously not true ,
speaker: B
text: but you have <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: It 's obviously not true .
speaker: D
text: No , it it it 's obviously true that he hasn't found any he likes .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: The question is what is <disfmarker> what 's he looked at .
speaker: B
text: That 's true .
speaker: E
text: Which one do you use Jim ?
speaker: D
text: I use something called Trellix .
speaker: E
text: Oh , that 's right .
speaker: E
text: I remember .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: And it <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Which produces also site maps .
speaker: D
text: it 's - it it 's very powerful .
speaker: A
text: Now , I guess if I were <disfmarker> if I were doing more powerful <disfmarker> excuse me <disfmarker> more complex web sites I might want to .
speaker: A
text: But
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text: I mean , it 's <disfmarker> it 's internal <comment> until <disfmarker>
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text: therefore we can put data in it that we don't <disfmarker> we don't have to worry about releasing " .
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speaker: E
text: It 's a great idea .
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text: Yeah , does everyone know about the lip on the table ?
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text: That <disfmarker> that 's the six tables that we 're looking at .
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text: I don't know if people realize what they 're looking at .
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speaker: D
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text: Uh , the box , uh <disfmarker> there 's a half inch lip here .
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text: And so the <disfmarker> the two <vocalsound> head set jacks would be in the front
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speaker: D
text: And , uh , even though we have sixteen channels back at the capture , they 're not all gonna be used for this .
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text: So if you 're plugged in it doesn't work and the LED is off that 's <disfmarker> that 's a tip off .
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text: And then the , uh <disfmarker> would wire the <disfmarker> all of the cables in a <disfmarker> in a bundle come through here and o obviously collect these cables at the same time .
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text: And so the <disfmarker> you <disfmarker> we just epoxy them down or something .
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speaker: D
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speaker: A
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text: Oh , because then you don't have to just have one each .
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text: And certainly you could do a thing where all sixteen were plugged in .
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text: But then none of these .
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text: Well it depends on this box , right ?
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speaker: B
text: Exactly .
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text: Uh .
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text: And , uh , it 's function is to s to , uh , essentially a wire converter to go from these little blue wires to these black wires ,
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text: So <disfmarker> so you 'd imagine some sort of <disfmarker> in some sort of patch panel on top to figure out what the mapping was between each d of these two and each of those one or what ?
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text: Each of the blue wires ?
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text: But there are only four .
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text: Mm - hmm .
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text: that you plug it in , the LED comes on , and <disfmarker> and <disfmarker> and you 're live .
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text: Now the <disfmarker> the <disfmarker> <vocalsound> the subtle issue here is that <disfmarker> tha I <disfmarker> I haven't really figured out a solution for this .
speaker: D
text: So , we it 'll have to be convention .
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text: Mm - hmm .
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text: Well the <disfmarker> there 's no clever way to let the up stream guys know that you 're really not being powered .
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text: th there will be a certain amount of looking at cables has to be done if people , uh , rewire things .
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text: Yeah , I mean , we <disfmarker> I had that last time .
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text: But uh there are actually <disfmarker> that you know , there 's an extra <disfmarker> there 's a mix out on the radio receiver ?
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
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text: So there are actually six <vocalsound> XLR outs on the back of the radio receiver
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text: and only five cables going in ,
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text: so I ended up <vocalsound> not recording one of the channels and recording the mix .
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text: Ain't science wonderful ?
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text: So <disfmarker>
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text: So what 's the schedule on these things ?
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text: And I <disfmarker> I was gonna do this very clever phantom power
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text: and I decided a couple days ago not to do it .
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text: Hmm !
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text: So I 'm ready to build it .
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text: Which is to say , uh , the neighborhood of a week to get the circuit board done .
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speaker: D
text: Well I can build a cabinet .
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text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: D
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text: That cabinet can <disfmarker> can go away .
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text: We can use that for <disfmarker> for uh kindling or something .
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text: I need a desk at home too , alright ?
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text: Uh , let the record show at <disfmarker> uh <vocalsound> at f four thirty - five <vocalsound> Adam Janin says <disfmarker>
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speaker: E
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text: You mean like see <disfmarker> see meter readings , from <disfmarker> while sitting here .
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text: Well <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Yeah <disfmarker> no <disfmarker> no I 'm a I <disfmarker> I <disfmarker> I ain't joking here .
speaker: B
text: It 's going next door .
speaker: A
text: We jus
speaker: D
text: I 'm serious , that <disfmarker> that <disfmarker> <vocalsound> it <disfmarker> it <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: No , no ,
speaker: B
text: absolutely , that 's the right way to do it .
speaker: B
text: T to have it uh , just <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: It 's very convenient especially if Dan happens to be sitting at that end of the table to not have to run down here and <disfmarker> and look in the thing every so often ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: but just have the <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: And given <disfmarker> given that we 've got a wireless <disfmarker> that we 've got a <disfmarker> we got the field .
speaker: D
text: It 's right there .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: Right ?
speaker: D
text: The antenna 's right there ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: right outside the <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: I don't know .
speaker: D
text: Y I mean , we need <disfmarker> obviously need to clear this with ACIRI
speaker: D
text: but , uh ,
speaker: D
text: how tough can that be ?
speaker: D
text: There <disfmarker> it you 'd <disfmarker> all you need 's web access , isn't it ?
speaker: B
text: W we don't need X access
speaker: D
text: In <disfmarker> in theory .
speaker: B
text: but I mean that 's fine .
speaker: B
text: That 's <disfmarker> that 's what it does ,
speaker: D
text: OK ,
speaker: D
text: great ,
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: D
text: great .
speaker: B
text: So <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Um ,
speaker: A
text: right , so it 's just a question of getting a laptop and a wireless modem .
speaker: B
text: With a <disfmarker> with a <disfmarker> with a <disfmarker> w
speaker: D
text: No ,
speaker: D
text: and he <disfmarker> he had , reque @ @ <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: my <disfmarker> my proposal is you have a laptop .
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: D
text: You don't ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: I do !
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , yeah .
speaker: D
text: If <disfmarker> if we bought you the thing would you mind using it with i the <disfmarker> the <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: No ,
speaker: B
text: I would love to
speaker: B
text: but I 'm not sure if my laptop is compatible with the wave LAN thing they 're using .
speaker: D
text: Really ?
speaker: A
text: To <pause> Mac .
speaker: D
text: Your new one ?
speaker: B
text: Well Apple has their own thing , right ?
speaker: C
text: He 's <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: I 'm sorry ?
speaker: A
text: Airport .
speaker: B
text: Apple has their own thing .
speaker: B
text: And <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: I thought it just came through a serial p or an Ethernet port .
speaker: B
text: Yeah ,
speaker: B
text: I think what <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: I think you <disfmarker> I think it just plug plugs in a PC card ,
speaker: B
text: so you could probably make it run with that ,
speaker: B
text: but .
speaker: A
text: The question is , is there an Apple driver ?
speaker: D
text: I <disfmarker> e
speaker: B
text: Yeah , I 'm sure .
speaker: B
text: I imagine there is .
speaker: B
text: But <disfmarker> uh anyway
speaker: D
text: But the two t
speaker: B
text: there are <disfmarker> there are abs there are a bunch of machines at ICSI that have those cards
speaker: B
text: and so I think if w if it doesn't <disfmarker> we should be able to find a machine that does that .
speaker: B
text: I <disfmarker> I mean I know that
speaker: B
text: doesn't <disfmarker> don't <disfmarker> don't the important people have those little blue VAIOs that <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Well , uh , b that <disfmarker> to me that 's a whole nother . That 's a whole nother issue .
speaker: E
text: Hmm .
speaker: E
text: Hmm .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: The <disfmarker> the idea of con convincing them that we should use their network i is fairly straight forward .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: The idea of being able to walk into their office and say , " oh , can I borrow your machine for a while " , is <disfmarker> is <disfmarker> is a non - starter .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: That <disfmarker> I <disfmarker> I don't think that 's gonna work .
speaker: B
text: I see .
speaker: D
text: So , I mean , either <disfmarker> either we figure out how to use a machine somebody already <disfmarker> in the group already owns , <vocalsound> a a and the idea is that if it 's it perk , you know , it 's an advantage not <disfmarker> not a disadvan <comment> <vocalsound> or else we <disfmarker> we literally buy a machine e exactly for that purpose .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , yeah .
speaker: B
text: Absolutely .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Certainly it solves a lot of the problems with leaving a monitor out here all the time .
speaker: D
text: I <disfmarker> I <disfmarker> I <disfmarker> I 'm <disfmarker> I 'm not a big fan of doing things to the room that make the room less attractive for other people ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: D
text: right ?
speaker: D
text: Which is part of the reason for getting all this stuff out of the way
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: and <disfmarker> <vocalsound> and , so a monitor sitting here all the time you know people are gonna walk up to it and go , " how come I can't get , you know , Pong on this " or , whatev
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: Well <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I 've <disfmarker> I 've borrowed the IRAM VAIO Sony thingy ,
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: and I don't think they 're ever gonna want it back .
speaker: B
text: You 're kidding !
speaker: D
text: Well , the next conference they will .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: A
text: Sure .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: But that does mean <disfmarker> so we can use that as well .
speaker: D
text: Well , uh , the <disfmarker> certainly , u you should give it a shot first See whether you you can get compatible stuff .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: D
text: Uh , ask them what it costs .
speaker: D
text: Ask them if they have an extra one .
speaker: D
text: Who knows , they might have an extra <vocalsound> hardware s
speaker: B
text: I 'd trade them a flat panel display for it .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Good .
speaker: C
text: What is the , um , projector supposed to be hooked up to ?
speaker: D
text: Uh , the , uh <disfmarker> Tsk .
speaker: D
text: It 's gonna be hooked up to all sorts of junk .
speaker: D
text: There 's gonna be actually a <disfmarker> a plug at the front that 'll connect to people 's laptops so you can walk in and plug it in .
speaker: D
text: And it 's gonna be con connected to the machine at the back .
speaker: D
text: So we certainly could use that as <disfmarker> as a constant reminder of what the VU meters are doing .
speaker: B
text: Huge VU meters .
speaker: D
text: So people sitting here <comment> are going <vocalsound> " testing , one , two , three " !
speaker: D
text: It <disfmarker> a
speaker: C
text: But I mean , that 's another <disfmarker> that 's another possibility that , you know , solves <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: That 's an end
speaker: D
text: But <disfmarker> but <disfmarker> but I think the idea of having a control panel it 's <disfmarker> that 's there in front of you is really cool .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , yeah .
speaker: E
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: I think and uh , having <disfmarker> having it on wireless is <disfmarker> is the neatest way <disfmarker> neatest way to do it .
speaker: D
text: R
speaker: D
text: As long as you d as l as long as you 're not tempted to sit there and f keep fiddling with the volume controls going , " can you talk a bit louder ? "
speaker: A
text: I had <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: I had actually earlier asked if I could borrow one of the cards to do wireless stuff
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: and they said , " sure ,
speaker: A
text: whenever you want " .
speaker: A
text: So I think it won't be a problem .
speaker: B
text: Oh , cool .
speaker: D
text: And <disfmarker> and it 's a <disfmarker> a PCMCIA card , right ?
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: Yep .
speaker: D
text: PC card ,
speaker: D
text: so you can have a slot ,
speaker: A
text: PC card .
speaker: D
text: right ?
speaker: D
text: In your new machine ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah , yeah .
speaker: D
text: Is it with s
speaker: C
text: It 's <disfmarker> it really come down to the driver .
speaker: C
text: I mean <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Right ,
speaker: D
text: i it 'll <disfmarker> it 'll work <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Right , I mean , and if <disfmarker> and if his doesn't work , as I said , we can use the PC .
speaker: D
text: It 'll work the first time .
speaker: D
text: I <disfmarker> I trust Steve Jobs .
speaker: A
text: Good .
speaker: B
text: Um ,
speaker: B
text: well , that sounds like a d good solution one way or the other .
speaker: A
text: So <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: So Jim is gonna be doing wiring and you 're gonna give some thought to cabinets ?
speaker: D
text: Uh , y yeah .
speaker: D
text: We <disfmarker> we need to <vocalsound> figure out what we want .
speaker: A
text: Great .
speaker: D
text: Uh <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: We 'd <disfmarker> I think <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Hey , what are those green lights doing ?
speaker: A
text: They 're flashing !
speaker: B
text: Uh - oh !
speaker: B
text: Uh - oh !
speaker: B
text: Does that <disfmarker> it means <disfmarker> it means it 's gonna explode .
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: D
text: Cut the red wire ,
speaker: D
text: the red wire !
speaker: B
text: Um <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: When people talk , it <disfmarker> they go on and off .
speaker: B
text: This <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: So again , Washington wants to equip a system .
speaker: B
text: Our system , we spent ten thousand dollars on equipment not including the PC .
speaker: B
text: However , seven and a half thousand of that was the wireless mikes .
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: Uh ,
speaker: B
text: using <disfmarker> using these <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: And it <disfmarker> and the f the five thousand for the wires ,
speaker: D
text: so if I 'm gonna do <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: No .
speaker: D
text: It 's a joke .
speaker: B
text: Yeah ,
speaker: D
text: I have to do <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: that 's true
speaker: B
text: but we haven't spent that , right ?
speaker: B
text: But once we <disfmarker> once we 've done the intellectual part of these , uh , we can just knock them out , right ?
speaker: A
text: Cheap .
speaker: B
text: We can start <disfmarker> <vocalsound> we <disfmarker> you can make a hundred of them or something .
speaker: D
text: Oh , of the <disfmarker> of the boards ?
speaker: D
text: Yeah , yeah ,
speaker: D
text: sure ,
speaker: D
text: right .
speaker: B
text: And then we could <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Washington could have a system that didn't have any wireless but would had <disfmarker> what 's based on these
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: and it would cost <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Peanuts .
speaker: A
text: A PC and a peanuts .
speaker: B
text: PC and two thousand dollars for the A - to - D stuff .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: And that 's about <disfmarker> cuz you wouldn't even need the mixer if you didn't have the <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: Oh th <vocalsound> the P Z
speaker: B
text: P Z Ms cost a lot .
speaker: B
text: But anyway you 'd save , on the seven <disfmarker> seven or eight thousand for the <disfmarker> for the wireless system .
speaker: B
text: So actually that might be attractive .
speaker: D
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: OK ,
speaker: A
text: Good .
speaker: B
text: I can move my thumb now .
speaker: E
text: That 's a great idea .
speaker: D
text: What ?
speaker: E
text: It 's nice <disfmarker> it 's nice to be thinking toward that .
speaker: D
text: Oh , I thought like if we talked softer the disk lasts longer .
speaker: A
text: Well , actually shorten <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: There 's a speech compression program that works great on things like this ,
speaker: A
text: cuz if the dynamic range is low it encodes it with fewer bits .
speaker: A
text: And so most of the time no one 's talking
speaker: A
text: so it shortens it dramatically .
speaker: A
text: But <vocalsound> if you talk quieter , the dynamic range is lower and it will compress better .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: E
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: Hmm .
speaker: D
text: It also helps if you talk in a monotone .
speaker: A
text: Probably .
speaker: D
text: Constant volume all the time .
speaker: E
text: Oh , interesting .
speaker: E
text: And shorter words .
speaker: A
text: Shorter words .
speaker: C
text: Now , shorter words wouldn't <disfmarker> would induce more dynamics ,
speaker: C
text: right ?
speaker: C
text: You want to have <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah , but if the words are more predictable .
speaker: A
text: How about if you just go " uh " ?
speaker: C
text: Huh .
speaker: D
text: Uh .
speaker: E
text: That 's a long word !
speaker: A
text: How do you spell that ?
speaker: E
text: I don't know .
speaker: A
text: OK ,
speaker: A
text: can you do one more round of digits ?
speaker: A
text: Are we done talking ?
speaker: D
text: Well it 's a choice <disfmarker> if we get a choice , let 's keep talking .
speaker: D
text: Sure .
speaker: A
text: Do we have more to talk about ?
speaker: D
text: No ,
speaker: D
text: I 'm done .
speaker: C
text: I 'm done .
speaker: A
text: Are you done ?
speaker: E
text: I 'm done ,
speaker: A
text: I 'm done .
speaker: E
text: yeah .
speaker: C
text: Dan isn't
speaker: C
text: but he 's not gonna say anything .
speaker: D
text: But <disfmarker> you <disfmarker> you <disfmarker> you <disfmarker> there 's a problem <disfmarker> a structural problem with this though .
speaker: D
text: You really need an incentive at the end if you 're gonna do digits again .
speaker: D
text: Like , you know , candy bars or something ,
speaker: D
text: or <disfmarker> or <disfmarker> or <disfmarker> or or a little , uh <disfmarker> you know , toothbrushes like they give you at the d dentist .
speaker: A
text: I 'll <disfmarker> I 'll remember to bring M and M 's next time .
speaker: B
text: Mmm !
speaker: E
text: Or both .
speaker: D
text: Or both .
speaker: B
text: Sorry .
speaker: D
text: Eric , you and I win .
speaker: D
text: We didn't make any mistakes .
speaker: A
text: It 's harder at the end than at the beginning .
speaker: E
text: We don't know that for sure ,
speaker: E
text: do we ?
speaker: A
text: I should have mentioned that s uh , to pause between lines but <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: No , I know .
speaker: D
text: I 'm just giving you a hard time .
speaker: A
text: It 's <disfmarker> it 's only a hard time for the transcriber not for the speech recognizer .
speaker: B
text: Tha - tha
speaker: E
text: But <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: I also think you said channel four
speaker: A
text: Me .
speaker: E
text: and I think you meant microphone four .
speaker: E
text: And I think that 's a mistake .
speaker: D
text: Very good .
speaker: D
text: So Eric , you win .
speaker: D
text: But the other thing is that there 's a <disfmarker> there 's a colon for transcripts .
speaker: D
text: And there shouldn't be a colon .
speaker: D
text: Because see , everything else is stuff you fill in .
speaker: B
text: Yeah ,
speaker: B
text: that 's been filled in for you .
speaker: D
text: Right ?
speaker: D
text: Automatically .
speaker: B
text: But they 're in order !
speaker: D
text: But real
speaker: B
text: They start , six , seven , eight , nine , zero , one , two , three , four , five , six , eight , nine .
speaker: D
text: Where 'd they come from ?
speaker: E
text: Oh .
speaker: B
text: And they 're in order because they 're sorted lexically by the file names , which are <disfmarker> have the numbers in digits .
speaker: B
text: And so they 're actually <disfmarker> this is like all the <disfmarker> all utterances that were generated by speaker MPJ or something .
speaker: E
text: Oh .
speaker: B
text: And then within MPJ they 're sorted by what he actually said .
speaker: A
text: Ugh !
speaker: A
text: I didn't know that .
speaker: A
text: I should have randomized it .
speaker: E
text: Wow .
speaker: B
text: It doesn't matter !
speaker: B
text: It 's like <disfmarker> Cuz you said " six , seven , eight " .
speaker: D
text: Well , we think it doesn't matter .
speaker: B
text: We think it doesn't matter .
speaker: B
text: If I <disfmarker> if not I <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Oh , interesting .
speaker: D
text: But the real question I have is that , why bother with these ?
speaker: D
text: Why don't you just ask people to repeat numbers they already know ?
speaker: D
text: Like phone numbers ,
speaker: D
text: you know , social security numbers .
speaker: B
text: Cuz we have these writt written down , right ?
speaker: A
text: Because <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: That 's why <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: If we have it , uh <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: I know .
speaker: E
text: Social security numbers .
speaker: D
text: I kn
speaker: B
text: You can <disfmarker> you can generate <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: we don't have to transcribe .
speaker: E
text: Bank account numbers .
speaker: D
text: Credit card numbers ,
speaker: D
text: yeah .
speaker: A
text: We don't have to tran
speaker: A
text: Yeah , please .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: That 's a great idea .
speaker: E
text: Passport numbers .
speaker: D
text: Yeah , so you just say <disfmarker> <vocalsound> say your credit card numbers ,
speaker: D
text: say your phone numbers ,
speaker: D
text: say your mother 's maiden name .
speaker: A
text: Bet we could do it .
speaker: D
text: You know pe
speaker: E
text: Password to your account .
speaker: E
text: Go on .
speaker: D
text: people off the street .
speaker: D
text: This <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Alright .
speaker: A
text: Actually , this <disfmarker> I got this directly from another training set , from Aurora .
speaker: A
text: So .
speaker: A
text: We can compare directly .
speaker: B
text: Looks good .
speaker: E
text: I was <disfmarker> I <disfmarker> the reason I made my mistake was <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Looks like there were no errors .
speaker: E
text: Wa - was this <disfmarker> ?
speaker: A
text: What ?
speaker: B
text: There were no <disfmarker> there were no direct driver errors , by the look of it , which is good .
speaker: A
text: Great .
speaker: E
text: Good news .
speaker: A
text: OK ,
speaker: A
text: the mike 's off .
speaker: B
text: So I 'm gonna stop it .
speaker: B
text: Yeah ,
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: Mony on the mike .
speaker: A
text: Thank you all .
speaker: B
text: Uh - oh .

Meeting summary:
text: The Berkeley Meeting Recorder group discussed the aims, methods, timing, and outsourcing issues concerning transcription of the Meeting Recorder corpus.
text: The Transcriber software tool was introduced, along with a set of transcription conventions for coding different speech events.
text: The prospect of sending the data to an external transcription service was weighed against that of hiring a graduate student transcriber pool.
text: It was tentatively decided that the latter option would be less costly and allow BMR to maintain greater control over the transcription process.
text: Methods for distributing the data were briefly discussed, along with an initiative for creating a BMR project website.
text: The group received an update on the meeting room recording setup and electronics.
text: The group will obtain a copy of the Corpus of Spoken American English (CSAE) from the LDC to compare the methods and conventions used by UC Santa Barbara with those being considered for the Meeting Recorder project.
text: Speakers fe008 and me011 will experiment with pre-segmentation procedures in hopes of facilitating the transcription process.
text: Speaker fe008 will perform the transcription for one meeting (40-60 minutes of data) as a pilot project.
text: A tentative decision was made to put speaker fe008 in charge of the in-house transcription effort.
text: Modifications to the Transcriber source code, e.g. adjusting the delay between the audio play function and the inputting of time boundaries, may be undertaken by the BMR group.
text: An initiative for creating an internal BMR project website was discussed, along with ideas for providing web access to external organizations, such as the University of Washington.
text: A cabinet will be built to house wires and other electronic equipment used in the recording setup.
text: A laptop and wireless modem will be avaiable to participants for monitoring the recording progress.
text: How should transcripts and corresponding audio files be formatted and distributed?
text: External transcription services are expensive, difficult to monitor, and are unlikely to be able to handle multi-channel data.
text: It is unclear which levels of transcription should be encoded.
text: What size of segment is most useful for doing transcriptions?
text: Which level of segmentation is most suitable for the aims of the project?
text: Transcriber's interface only allows the user to view two overlapping speakers.
text: Decisions must be made regarding the security of electronic recording equipment.
text: Efforts are in progress to collect and transcribe 30-40 hours of Meeting Recorder data.
text: The Transcriber tool is being used to do word-level transcriptions, and was reported to work well, when used with supplementary scripts, for specifying multiple speakers.
text: Other levels of transcription being considered include marking stress, repairs, and false starts.
text: A set of transcription conventions have been formulated for marking colloquial forms, the continuity of utterances, etc.
text: A cost assessment was made for sending Meeting Recorder data to an external transcription service.
text: It was agreed that hiring linguistics graduate students would be cheaper and allow the group to maintain greater control over the transcription process.
text: Tentative pre-segmentation efforts will enable the automatic generation of phrase boundaries and speaker identity coding, and will be extendable for use at UW.
text: Perl and XWaves scripts are available for extracting and aligning digits data.
text: Other suggestions for future work included performing multi-channel speech/non-speech detection, and linking an ASR system to the Transcriber tool.
text: The recording room electronics setup has been diagrammed and will take approximately one week to configure.
text: It was suggested that such efforts will enable researchers at UW and other collaborating institutions to create their own recording setups more cheaply.