Meeting transcript:
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: F
text: Test .
speaker: B
text: Let 's see , I should be
speaker: E
text: As close to your mouth as you can get it .
speaker: B
text: Two .
speaker: D
text: Up high <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: high as you can get .
speaker: B
text: La
speaker: H
text: Channel one one one .
speaker: G
text: Yeah , on your upper lip .
speaker: B
text: Is this channel one ?
speaker: B
text: Gee , OK .
speaker: B
text: Yes .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: OK , so for <disfmarker> for <disfmarker> For people wearing the wireless mikes , like <disfmarker> like this one , I find the easiest way to wear it is sorta this <disfmarker> this sorta like that .
speaker: H
text: This is <disfmarker> chan channel channel one one two three
speaker: F
text: Channel five , channel five .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: It 's actually a lot more comfortable then if you try to put it over your temples ,
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm . What do you do ,
speaker: F
text: Test , test test .
speaker: E
text: so <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: you do it higher ?
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: D
text: Adam 's just trying to generate good uh data for the recognizer there .
speaker: G
text: Yeah , I think we 're supposed to <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: that 's right .
speaker: E
text: And then also , for <disfmarker> for all of them , if your boom is adjustable , the boom should be towards the corner of your mouth ,
speaker: F
text: Test test .
speaker: A
text: By the way , there was a bug .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , i it wasn't using the proper
speaker: D
text: Oh it was .
speaker: E
text: and about a uh a thumb to a thumb and a half distance away from your mouth ,
speaker: A
text: basically it wasn't adapting anything .
speaker: D
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: so about like I 'm wearing it now .
speaker: D
text: Oh that 's interesting .
speaker: D
text: So why didn't you get the same results and the unadapted ?
speaker: H
text: It 's not always possible .
speaker: E
text: so so Jane , you could actually do even a little closer to your mouth ,
speaker: A
text: Hmm ?
speaker: G
text: I could <disfmarker> can this be adjuste like this ?
speaker: D
text: Why didn't you get the same results and the unadapted ?
speaker: E
text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Oh , because when it estimates the transformer pro produces like a single matrix or something .
speaker: E
text: Yep .
speaker: G
text: Is that @ @ ? OK ,
speaker: G
text: thank you .
speaker: F
text: Adam , I 'm not <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: uh , looks kinda low on channel five <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: O Oh oh I see .
speaker: D
text: I see , I see .
speaker: F
text: no ?
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Channel five , s speak again .
speaker: G
text: Hello .
speaker: F
text: Maybe not .
speaker: A
text: Basically there were no counts
speaker: E
text: Yeah , that 's alright .
speaker: F
text: Hello ?
speaker: H
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: It 's OK ?
speaker: E
text: I mean , we could <disfmarker> we could up the gain slightly if you wanted to .
speaker: F
text: Is this OK ?
speaker: H
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: I see what you mean .
speaker: C
text: Who 's channel B ?
speaker: E
text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Uh , channel B is probably Liz .
speaker: C
text: Uh oh .
speaker: H
text: Uh channel B <disfmarker> I am channel B .
speaker: B
text: You wanna close this ,
speaker: G
text: Channel eight , eight .
speaker: B
text: or
speaker: C
text: No I
speaker: E
text: Thank you .
speaker: H
text: No , channel B .
speaker: C
text: yeah ,
speaker: A
text: Hello , hello .
speaker: C
text: yeah , you 're channel B .
speaker: H
text: Yeah , yeah .
speaker: C
text: So can you talk a bit ?
speaker: C
text: I thought it might be too
speaker: H
text: OK , yeah ,
speaker: H
text: channel B , one two three four five .
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , it 's alright .
speaker: E
text: So , the gain isn't real good .
speaker: B
text: We 're recording ,
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: OK ,
speaker: E
text: so we are recording .
speaker: H
text: Ah .
speaker: B
text: right ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: Um everyone should have at least two forms possibly three in front of you depending on who you are .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Um we <disfmarker> we 're doing a new speaker form and you only have to spea fill out the speaker form once
speaker: E
text: but everyone does need to do it .
speaker: E
text: And so that 's the name , sex , email , et cetera .
speaker: H
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: We <disfmarker> we had a lot of discussion about the variety of English and so on
speaker: E
text: so if you don't know what to put just leave it blank .
speaker: E
text: Um I <disfmarker> I designed the form and I don't know what to put for my own region ,
speaker: E
text: so
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: D
text: California .
speaker: A
text: I think <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: California .
speaker: H
text: California .
speaker: A
text: Um may I make one suggestion ?
speaker: A
text: Instead of age put date of <disfmarker> uh year of birth
speaker: E
text: Sure .
speaker: A
text: because age will change , but The year of birth changes , you know , stays the same , usually .
speaker: E
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: Birth year ?
speaker: C
text: A actually , wait a minute ,
speaker: G
text: Although on <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: shouldn't it be the other way around ?
speaker: D
text: Not for me .
speaker: G
text: course on the other <disfmarker> on the other hand you could <disfmarker> you view it as the age at the time of the <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: On the other side ,
speaker: C
text: yeah .
speaker: A
text: Well the thing is , if ten years from now you look at this form knowing that <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Yes , but what we care about is the age at <disfmarker> at the recording date rather than the <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: But there 's no other date on the form .
speaker: C
text: O yeah .
speaker: C
text: W we don't care how they <disfmarker> old they really are .
speaker: A
text: Well <disfmarker> well I don't know .
speaker: G
text: Yes . <vocalsound> Unless we wanna send them a card .
speaker: E
text: Well I guess it depends on how long the corpus is gonna be collected for .
speaker: G
text: Yeah , that 's true .
speaker: A
text: Anyway .
speaker: C
text: I still don't see the problem .
speaker: E
text: Either way
speaker: E
text: yeah I think <disfmarker> I think age is alright
speaker: E
text: and then um there will be attached to this a point or two these forms uh so that you 'll be able to extract the date off that
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: so , anyway .
speaker: E
text: And so then you also have a digits form which needs to be filled out every time , the speaker form only once , the digit form every time
speaker: E
text: even if you don't read the digits you have to fill out the digits form so that we know that you were at the meeting .
speaker: E
text: OK ?
speaker: E
text: And then also if you haven't filled one out already you do have to fill out a consent form .
speaker: E
text: And that should just be one person whose name I don't know .
speaker: E
text: OK ?
speaker: F
text: Do you want this <pause> Adam ?
speaker: E
text: Uh sure .
speaker: E
text: Thank you .
speaker: B
text: So uh
speaker: E
text: OK so should we do agenda items ?
speaker: B
text: Uh oh that 's a good idea .
speaker: B
text: I shouldn't run the meeting .
speaker: E
text: Uh well I have <disfmarker> I wanna talk about new microphones and wireless stuff .
speaker: G
text: Mmm .
speaker: E
text: And I 'm sure Liz and Andreas wanna talk about recognition results .
speaker: E
text: Anything else ?
speaker: C
text: I guess <disfmarker> what time do we have to leave ?
speaker: C
text: Three thirty ?
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: Why don't you go first then .
speaker: C
text: so .
speaker: B
text: Yeah ,
speaker: B
text: good idea .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: Um Well , I <disfmarker> I sent out an email s couple hours ago
speaker: C
text: so
speaker: C
text: um with Andreas ' help um Andreas put together a sort of no frills recognizer
speaker: C
text: which is uh gender - dependent but like no adaptation , no cross - word models , no trigrams <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: a bigram recognizer
speaker: C
text: and that 's trained on Switchboard which is telephone conversations .
speaker: C
text: Um and thanks to Don 's help wh who <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: Don took the first meeting that Jane had transcribed
speaker: C
text: and um <vocalsound> you know separated <disfmarker> used the individual channels we segmented it in into the segments that Jane had used
speaker: C
text: and uh Don sampled that so <disfmarker> so eight K
speaker: C
text: um and then we ran up to I guess the first twenty minutes ,
speaker: C
text: up to synch time of one two zero zero
speaker: C
text: so is that <disfmarker> that 's twenty minutes or so ?
speaker: C
text: Um yeah because I guess there 's some ,
speaker: E
text: Or so .
speaker: C
text: and Don can talk to Jane about this ,
speaker: C
text: there 's some bug in the actual synch time file that ah uh
speaker: C
text: I 'm <disfmarker> we 're not sure where it came from but stuff after that was a little messier .
speaker: C
text: Anyway so it 's twenty minutes and I actually
speaker: E
text: Hmm .
speaker: C
text: um
speaker: E
text: I <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: was that <disfmarker> did that <disfmarker> did that recording have the glitch in the middle ?
speaker: G
text: I 'm puzzled by that .
speaker: G
text: I <disfmarker> oh <disfmarker> oh , I see .
speaker: C
text: There 's <disfmarker> there 's a <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Oh there was a glitch somewhere .
speaker: C
text: yeah ,
speaker: C
text: so that actually
speaker: C
text: um
speaker: F
text: Was it twenty minutes in ,
speaker: G
text: I forgot about that .
speaker: C
text: if it was twenty minutes in then I don't know
speaker: F
text: I thought <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Well , I mean , they <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Well it was interesting ,
speaker: G
text: but I was able to can transcribe
speaker: E
text: I don't remember when it is .
speaker: A
text: suddenly <disfmarker> the <disfmarker> the overall error rate when we first ran it was like eighty percent
speaker: A
text: but i looking at <disfmarker> the first sentences looked much better than that
speaker: A
text: and then suddenly it turned very bad
speaker: A
text: and then we noticed that the reference was always one off with the <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: Yeah , that might be <disfmarker> that might be <disfmarker> that might be my fault .
speaker: C
text: Wel
speaker: A
text: it was actually recognized
speaker: E
text: Oh no .
speaker: G
text: Wow .
speaker: A
text: so
speaker: F
text: I 'm not <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Oh so that was just a parsing mismatch .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: No actually it was <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: yeah i it was a complicated bug
speaker: C
text: because they were sometimes one off and then sometimes totally random
speaker: C
text: so
speaker: G
text: Oh .
speaker: F
text: yeah , I was pretty certain that it worked up until that time ,
speaker: G
text: That 's not good .
speaker: C
text: um
speaker: C
text: Yeah
speaker: F
text: so
speaker: C
text: so that 's what we have
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Alright .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: but that <disfmarker> that will be completely gone if this synch time problem
speaker: E
text: The <disfmarker> the glitch
speaker: A
text: So <disfmarker> so we have everything recognized but we scored only the first uh whatever , up to that time to
speaker: G
text: And the only glitch <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: yeah .
speaker: E
text: yeah .
speaker: C
text: So you guys know .
speaker: B
text: S sorry I haven't seen the email ,
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Th - the
speaker: G
text: The <disfmarker> the <disfmarker> well <disfmarker> wait
speaker: C
text: So here 's the actual copy of the email
speaker: B
text: what was the score ?
speaker: G
text: we should say something about the glitch .
speaker: G
text: He <disfmarker> he can say something about the glitch .
speaker: C
text: um oh OK
speaker: E
text: yeah .
speaker: G
text: Cuz it 's <disfmarker> it 's <disfmarker> it 's <disfmarker> h it 's <disfmarker> it 's very small <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: so does this glitch occur at other <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: There <disfmarker> there <disfmarker> there 's an acoustic glitch that occurs where um the channels get slightly asynchronized
speaker: G
text: very small .
speaker: G
text: Yep .
speaker: C
text: Oh .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: so the <disfmarker> that <disfmarker> that problem has gone away in the original driver believe it or not when the SSH key gen ran the driver paused for a fraction of a second
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: F
text: Hmm .
speaker: B
text: Hmm .
speaker: E
text: and so the channels get a little asynchronous
speaker: E
text: and so if you listen to it in the middle there 's a little part where it starts doing <disfmarker> doing click sounds .
speaker: B
text: So <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: And is it only once that that happens ?
speaker: E
text: But
speaker: E
text: yeah
speaker: E
text: it <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: right once in the middle .
speaker: C
text: There 's <disfmarker> the previous page has some more information about sort of what was wrong
speaker: B
text: so <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: but
speaker: E
text: Um But that shouldn't affect anything
speaker: B
text: so un unsurprisingly Adam is the golden voice ,
speaker: G
text: S
speaker: C
text: OK
speaker: C
text: so that 's actually
speaker: G
text: and it <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: you see this here ?
speaker: E
text: yeah yeah
speaker: C
text: It <disfmarker> y it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: " bah "
speaker: C
text: OK
speaker: C
text: no <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Oh , and <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: What happens is it actually affects the script that Don <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Huh .
speaker: C
text: I mean if we know about it then I guess it could always be checked for it
speaker: E
text: Well the acoustic one shouldn't do anything .
speaker: C
text: but they
speaker: F
text: Yeah , I don't know exactly what affected it
speaker: G
text: I agree .
speaker: G
text: I agree .
speaker: F
text: but I 'll <disfmarker> I 'll talk to you about it ,
speaker: A
text: I <disfmarker> I have <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: But I <disfmarker> I do remember <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: I 'll show you the point .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: It <disfmarker> it had no effect on my transcription ,
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: you know , I mean I <disfmarker> I had no trouble hearing it and <disfmarker> and having time bins
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: G
text: but there was a <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: I do remember seeing once the transcriber produce an incorrect XML file where one of the synch numbers was incorrect .
speaker: G
text: Oh .
speaker: F
text: That 's what happened .
speaker: C
text: Well , the <disfmarker> the synch time <disfmarker> the synch numbers have more significant digits than they should ,
speaker: G
text: Oh .
speaker: H
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: There was <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Where <disfmarker> where they weren't monotonic .
speaker: F
text: yeah , I mean <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: right ?
speaker: C
text: There 's things that are l in smaller increments than a frame .
speaker: H
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Oh , interesting .
speaker: E
text: Oh OK
speaker: E
text: so that 's
speaker: F
text: Hmm .
speaker: C
text: And so then , I mean you look at that and it 's got you know more than three significant digits in a synch time then that can't be right
speaker: G
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: yeah sounds like a bug .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: C
text: so anyway it 's <disfmarker> it 's just <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: that 's why we only have twenty minutes
speaker: C
text: but there 's a significant amount of <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: Non - zero ?
speaker: F
text: Um there are like more <disfmarker> cuz there 's a lot of zeros I tacked on just because of the way the script ran ,
speaker: E
text: The other one I saw was that it
speaker: F
text: I mean but there were there was a point .
speaker: E
text: yeah .
speaker: C
text: Yeah that was fine .
speaker: E
text: The other one I saw was non non - monotonic synch times
speaker: C
text: That <disfmarker> that was OK .
speaker: F
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: and that definitely indicra indicates a bug .
speaker: F
text: Uh .
speaker: C
text: Well that would really be a problem ,
speaker: C
text: yeah .
speaker: C
text: So anyway these are just the ones that are the prebug for one meeting .
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: um and what 's <disfmarker> which <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: So that 's very encouraging .
speaker: C
text: this is really encouraging cuz this is free recognition ,
speaker: H
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Hmm .
speaker: B
text: Cool .
speaker: C
text: there 's no I mean the language model for Switchboard is totally different
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: C
text: so you can see some like this Trent Lott which
speaker: D
text: Trent Lott .
speaker: C
text: um I mean
speaker: C
text: these are sort of funny ones ,
speaker: D
text: It 'll get those though .
speaker: C
text: there 's a lot of perfect ones and good ones and all the references ,
speaker: C
text: I mean you can read them and when we get more results you can look through and see
speaker: E
text: I and as I said I would like to look at the lattices
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: but
speaker: C
text: um it 's pretty good .
speaker: E
text: because it sounded like even the ones it got wrong it sort of got it right ?
speaker: C
text: Well so I guess we can generate
speaker: E
text: Sounds likes ?
speaker: G
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: There are a fair number of errors that are , you know where <disfmarker> got the plural S wrong or the inflection on the verb wrong .
speaker: C
text: um
speaker: E
text: Yeah ,
speaker: E
text: and who cares ?
speaker: E
text: And <disfmarker> and there were lots of <disfmarker> of course the " uh uh " - s , " in on " - s " of uh " - s .
speaker: A
text: Mmm , so if <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: there 's <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: No those are actually
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: a lot of the errors I think are out of vocabulary ,
speaker: C
text: so is it like PZM is three words ,
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: it 's PZM ,
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: I mean there 's nothing
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: There 's no language model for PZM or
speaker: E
text: Ri - ri right .
speaker: C
text: um
speaker: E
text: Did you say there 's no language for PZM ?
speaker: C
text: No language model , I mean those <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Do you mean <disfmarker> so every time someone says PZM it 's an error ?
speaker: E
text: Maybe we shouldn't say PZM in these meetings .
speaker: C
text: Well <disfmarker> well there 's all kinds of other stuff like Jimlet
speaker: C
text: and I mean um anyway there <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Yeah , that 's right , Jimlet .
speaker: B
text: Well , we don't even know what that means ,
speaker: C
text: so <vocalsound> but this is really encouraging because
speaker: E
text: Yeah , that 's right .
speaker: B
text: so I
speaker: C
text: so , I mean the bottom line is even though it 's not a huge amount of data um it should be uh reasonable to actually run recognition and be like within the scope of <disfmarker> of r reasonable s you know Switchboard
speaker: C
text: this is like h about how well we do on Switchboard - two data with the Switchboard - one trained <disfmarker> mostly trained recognizer
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: and Switchboard - two is <disfmarker> got sort of a different population of speakers and a different topic
speaker: E
text: Excellent .
speaker: C
text: and they 're talking about things in the news that happened after Switchboard - one
speaker: C
text: so there was @ @ so that 's great .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah so we 're in better shape than we were say when we did <disfmarker> had the ninety - three workshop
speaker: C
text: Um
speaker: B
text: and we were all getting like seventy percent error on Switchboard .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: C
text: Oh yeah
speaker: C
text: I mean this is really ,
speaker: B
text: you know
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: C
text: and thanks to Andreas who , I mean this is a
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: E
text: Well especially for the very first run , I mean you <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: eh um
speaker: A
text: Oh it 's the <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: the first run I ran of Switchboard I got a hundred twenty percent word error
speaker: C
text: yeah
speaker: E
text: but
speaker: C
text: So and what al also this means is that
speaker: G
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: Not Switchboard ,
speaker: C
text: um
speaker: E
text: uh Broadcast News .
speaker: A
text: Well it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: I mean there 's a bunch of things in this note to various people
speaker: C
text: especially I guess um with Jane that <disfmarker> that would help for <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: since we have this new data now uh in order to go from the transcripts more easily to um just the words that the recognizer would use for scoring .
speaker: C
text: I had to deal with some of it by hand but I think a lot of it can be automated s by <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Oh one thing I guess I didn't get
speaker: B
text: so you know the language model was straight from <disfmarker> from bigram from Switchboard
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text: the acoustic models were also from Switchboard or <disfmarker> or
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text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
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speaker: E
text: Yeah , so that 's great .
speaker: C
text: No .
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text: And actually <disfmarker> we actually um used Switchboard telephone bandwidth models
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text: That 's amazing .
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text: Well that 's <disfmarker> those are the only we ones there are ,
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text: so that 's the on that 's the only acoustic training data that we have a lot of
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speaker: A
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text: Right .
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text: Right .
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text: Yeah ,
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text: but for Broadcast News when we <disfmarker> we played around between the two there wasn't a huge loss .
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text: I should <disfmarker> I should say that <disfmarker> the language model is not just Switchboard
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text: so that 's good .
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text: Although combining em worked well .
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text: it 's also <disfmarker>
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text: but with a little less weight
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Uh - huh .
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text: Like Trent Lott must have been from
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text: mm - hmm ,
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speaker: A
text: Um By the way just <disfmarker> for fun we also ran ,
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speaker: B
text: Good point .
speaker: A
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speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: so just for the heck of it I ran that
speaker: E
text: And it said a hundred percent male ?
speaker: A
text: um and it might be reassuring for everybody to know that it got all the genders right .
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text: Oh it did ?
speaker: A
text: Yeah so
speaker: G
text: Oh that 's <disfmarker> I 'm glad .
speaker: E
text: It got all two genders ?
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text: Yeah
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text: but you know Jane and Adam have you kn about equal performance
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text: and I <disfmarker> I 'm pretty sure from listening to Eric that , you know given the words he was saying and given his pronunciation that the reason that he 's so much worse is the lapel .
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text: Right .
speaker: G
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speaker: C
text: So it 's nice now if we can just sort of eliminate the lapel one when <disfmarker> when we get new microphones
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text: Sheep .
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text: Yeah .
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text: what 's it a sheep or a goat ?
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speaker: E
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text: Sheep .
speaker: C
text: Sheep ,
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text: right .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
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text: Sounded good .
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speaker: C
text: Right so um so I guess the good news is that
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text: and <disfmarker> and again this is without a lot of the sort of bells and whistles that we c can do with the SRI system
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text: and we 'll have more data and we can also start to maybe adapt the language models once we have enough meetings .
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text: So this is only twenty minutes of one meeting with no <disfmarker> no tailoring at all .
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text: I mean clearly there are um with just a small amount of uh actual meeting transcriptions uh thrown into the language model you can probably do quite a bit better
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text: Or just dictionary .
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text: Have to add PZM and so on
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text: And I have to try it on the far field mike
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text: yeah .
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text: and then there 's things like for the transcription I got when someone has a digit in the transcript I don't know if they said , you know one one or eleven
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text: there 's things like that where , you know the um we 'll probably have to ask the transcribers to indicate some of those kinds of things
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text: Well we 've done that for one meeting .
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text: But you know <disfmarker>
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text: so .
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text: Ye - right .
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text: I 'm sorry just for overlaps is we did it for not <disfmarker> not for words .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: So this would be like if you take the words um you know and force align them on all the individual close talk uh close talking mikes then how good are these sort of in reality
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text: Right .
speaker: C
text: and then I was thinking it <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: So we might want to take twenty minutes and do a closer word level transcription .
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speaker: C
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text: or <disfmarker> i have someone look at the alignments
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text: uh maybe a linguist who can say um you know roughly if these are OK and how far away they are .
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text: Yeah .
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text: Right , right .
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text: but if the word recognition is this good the alignment should be pretty good .
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text: That we 're starting so well ?
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text: Don't worry about it
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text: This i
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text: This is not that good .
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text: there 's probably overlaps in <disfmarker> in uh in fair number in Switchboard as well
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text: but soon as we could how well it does with say with the P Z Ms or maybe even one of the
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text: Right .
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text: is it a hundred twenty percent
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text: or maybe it 's not
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text: No I think it 's really ,
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text: so once you can get to the words that the recognizer which is a total subset of the things you need to understand the <disfmarker> the text
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speaker: G
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speaker: G
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speaker: G
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speaker: C
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speaker: G
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speaker: G
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speaker: F
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speaker: F
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speaker: E
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speaker: B
text: Sure .
speaker: G
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speaker: F
text: Yeah , it 's <disfmarker> it 's really not a problem .
speaker: C
text: and I 'll rerun it with
speaker: A
text: Actually , no .
speaker: A
text: Don't stop .
speaker: F
text: Keep going .
speaker: A
text: Don't stop at that part because we 're actually using the entire conversation to estimate the speaker parameters ,
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: so shouldn't use <disfmarker> you should s you know , get
speaker: F
text: Yeah , I mean I 'll <disfmarker> I have to do is eh e the reference file would stay the same ,
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: F
text: it 's just the individual segments would be approximately twice as long
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: F
text: and I could just replace them with the bigger ones in the directory ,
speaker: F
text: that 's not a problem .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: I mean I corrected all <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: I mean I hand - edited the whole <disfmarker> the whole meeting
speaker: C
text: so that can be run
speaker: C
text: it 's just <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: Once we get the <disfmarker> the bug out .
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: G
text: One <disfmarker> one question which is I <disfmarker> I had the impression <comment> from this <disfmarker> from this meeting that w that I transcribed that um that there was already automatic downsampling occurring ,
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: G
text: is that
speaker: G
text: I thought that in order to
speaker: E
text: Yep .
speaker: G
text: so it was <disfmarker> so it 's like there 's already down
speaker: E
text: There 's one level that 's already happening right here .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: This is being recorded at forty - eight kilohertz . Which is more that anybody needs
speaker: F
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: And it gets downsampled to sixteen .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: And that 's actually said in your meeting ,
speaker: B
text: so
speaker: F
text: Hmm .
speaker: G
text: Oh OK .
speaker: C
text: that 's how I know that .
speaker: G
text: That 's exactly , and that 's how I know it .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: I <disfmarker> I <vocalsound> It 's like are we downsampling to sixteen ?
speaker: B
text: It 's a digital audio orientation for the board
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: it 's in the monitor so it 's
speaker: A
text: Mmm .
speaker: C
text: Thank God it 's not <vocalsound> more than that .
speaker: E
text: So <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: Is eight kilohertz <disfmarker> is <disfmarker> is eighty kilohertz generally accepted as like standard for voice ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: And I have no idea what filter it 's using ,
speaker: E
text: so
speaker: E
text: Telephone .
speaker: B
text: For telephone stuff .
speaker: D
text: Telephone .
speaker: F
text: Yeah that 's what I was gonna say ,
speaker: F
text: I mean like <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: so
speaker: B
text: So it 's <disfmarker> it 's <disfmarker> it 's just that they were operating from Switchboard which was a completely telephone database
speaker: F
text: Oh , I see ,
speaker: F
text: so .
speaker: F
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: and so that was a standard for that sixteen s
speaker: E
text: So sixteen seems to be pretty typical for with this sort of thing .
speaker: F
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: Sixteen is more common for <disfmarker> for uh broadband stuff that isn't <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: That isn't music .
speaker: B
text: that isn't music and isn't telephone ,
speaker: C
text: And I guess if you 're comparing like <disfmarker> uh if you wanna run recognition on the PZM stuff you would want you don't want to downsample the wh that
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: E
text: Why is that ?
speaker: C
text: right ?
speaker: B
text: I don't know .
speaker: C
text: Well I don I mean if it 's any better
speaker: B
text: No actually I would think that you would <disfmarker> you would get better <disfmarker> you 'd get better high frequencies in the local mike .
speaker: E
text: All the way around I 'd think .
speaker: B
text: Uh but who knows ?
speaker: C
text: Yeah
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: I mean we do <vocalsound> we <disfmarker> we <disfmarker> we <disfmarker> we <disfmarker> we wanna find all this stuff out ,
speaker: C
text: well we could try it .
speaker: B
text: we don't know .
speaker: E
text: We 're gonna have plenty of low frequency on the P Z Ms with the fans .
speaker: C
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Uh yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Oh yeah
speaker: C
text: there was just one more thing I wanted to say which is totally unrelated to the recognition except that
speaker: C
text: um
speaker: C
text: well <disfmarker> well it 's sort of related
speaker: C
text: but um
speaker: C
text: good news also
speaker: C
text: uh I got <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: well Chuck Fillmore agreed to record meetings but he had too many people in his meetings
speaker: C
text: and that 's too bad cuz they 're very animated
speaker: C
text: and but uh Jerry also agreed so uh we 're starting on <disfmarker> on
speaker: A
text: They 're less animated .
speaker: C
text: Well but he has fewer <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: he <disfmarker> he won't have more than eight
speaker: C
text: and it 's a meeting on even deeper understanding , EDU ,
speaker: C
text: so that sounds interesting .
speaker: E
text: Dot EDU ?
speaker: C
text: As a compliment to our front - end meeting
speaker: C
text: and um so that 's gonna start Monday
speaker: C
text: and one of the things that I was realizing is um it would be really great if anyone has any ideas on some kind of time synchronous way that people in the meeting can make a comment to the person whose gonna transcribe it
speaker: C
text: or <disfmarker> or put a <vocalsound> push a button or something when they wanna make a note about " oh boy you should probably erase those last few "
speaker: C
text: or uh " wait I want this not to be recorded now "
speaker: C
text: or uh something like that s
speaker: B
text: Weren't we gonna do something with a pad at one point ?
speaker: G
text: The cross pads ?
speaker: E
text: Yeah , we could do it with the cross pads .
speaker: C
text: Cuz I was thinking you know if <disfmarker> if the person who sets up the meeting isn't there and it 's a group that we don't know
speaker: C
text: um and this came up talking to <disfmarker> to Jerry also
speaker: C
text: that you know is there any way for them to indicate <disfmarker> to make sure that the qu request that they have that they make explicitly get addressed somehow
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: so I don't know if anyone has ideas
speaker: C
text: or <disfmarker> you could even write down " oh it 's about three twenty five and " <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Well what I was just suggesting is <disfmarker> is we have these <disfmarker> this cross pad just for this purpose
speaker: E
text: Yeah , and use that .
speaker: E
text: Not a bad idea .
speaker: B
text: and just use that
speaker: C
text: That would be great .
speaker: B
text: and if we sink it in <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: The other thing is eh
speaker: C
text: That be great .
speaker: B
text: I don't know if you know this or if it 's a question for the mail to Dan
speaker: B
text: but is this thing of two eight channel boards a maximum for this setup or could we go to a third board ?
speaker: E
text: I don't know .
speaker: E
text: I don't know .
speaker: E
text: I 'll send mail to Dan and ask .
speaker: E
text: I <disfmarker> I think that it 's the maximum we can do without a lot of effort
speaker: E
text: because it 's one board with two digital channels .
speaker: B
text: Oh it is one board .
speaker: E
text: E eight each .
speaker: E
text: So it <disfmarker> it takes two fibers in to the one board .
speaker: E
text: And so w I think if we wanna do that <disfmarker> more than that we 'd have to have two boards ,
speaker: E
text: and then you have the synchronization issue .
speaker: B
text: But that 's a question because that would <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: if it was possible cuz it is i
speaker: B
text: you know already we have a <disfmarker> a <disfmarker> a group of people in this room that cannot all be miked
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: and it 's not just cuz we haven't been to the store ,
speaker: B
text: right
speaker: B
text: it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: What is the limit on each of those f fiber channels ,
speaker: D
text: is it the
speaker: E
text: Eight .
speaker: D
text: It just <disfmarker> it 's eight channels come in ,
speaker: E
text: It 's eight .
speaker: D
text: does it have do with the sampling rate ?
speaker: E
text: I have no idea .
speaker: E
text: But each <disfmarker> each fiber channel has eight <disfmarker> eight channels
speaker: E
text: and there are two ch two fibers that go in to the card .
speaker: B
text: It might be a hard limitation ,
speaker: E
text: So
speaker: B
text: I mean one thing is it <disfmarker> the whole thing as I said is <disfmarker> is all structured in terms of forty - eight kilohertz sampling
speaker: B
text: so that pushes requirements up a bit
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: I was just wondering if <disfmarker> if that could change .
speaker: B
text: but
speaker: E
text: I mean then we 'd also have to get another ADD and another mixer and all that sort of stuff .
speaker: D
text: If we could drop that .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: So I <disfmarker> I 'll send a mail to Dan and ask him .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: OK on the uh
speaker: E
text: are we done with that ?
speaker: E
text: So the oth topic is uh getting more mikes and different mikes ,
speaker: E
text: so I got a quote
speaker: E
text: um
speaker: E
text: We can fit <disfmarker> we have room for one more wireless
speaker: E
text: and the wireless ,
speaker: E
text: this unit here is three fifty <disfmarker> three hundred fifty dollars ,
speaker: E
text: it <disfmarker> I didn't realize but we also have to get a tuner <disfmarker> the receiver <disfmarker> the other end ,
speaker: E
text: that 's uh four thirty
speaker: E
text: um and then also
speaker: D
text: Wow .
speaker: C
text: For <disfmarker> for each ?
speaker: C
text: I mean the tuner is four thirty for each .
speaker: E
text: Yep .
speaker: C
text: Wow .
speaker: E
text: And we just need one more so <disfmarker> so
speaker: B
text: Yeah at least w we got the good ones .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: So that 's you know something like seven hundred eighty bucks for one more of these .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Um and then also um It turns out that the connector that this thing uses is proprietary of Sony
speaker: D
text: Oh .
speaker: E
text: believe it or not
speaker: E
text: and Sony only sells this headset .
speaker: G
text: Mmm .
speaker: E
text: So if we wanna use a different set <disfmarker> headset the solution that the guy suggested and they <disfmarker> apparently lots of people have done is Sony will sell you the jack with just wires coming out the end
speaker: E
text: and then you can buy a headset that has pigtail and solder it yourself .
speaker: E
text: And that 's the other solution
speaker: E
text: and so the jacks are forty bucks apiece
speaker: E
text: and the <disfmarker> he recommended um a crown CM three eleven AE headset for two hundred bucks apiece .
speaker: B
text: There isn't this some sort of thing that plugs in ,
speaker: B
text: you actually have to go and do the soldering yourself ?
speaker: E
text: Becau - the reason is the only <disfmarker> only thing you can get that will plug into this is this mike or just the connector .
speaker: B
text: No I understand .
speaker: B
text: The reason I ask is these sort of handmade uh wiring jobs fall apart in use
speaker: B
text: so the other thing is to see if we can uh get them to do a custom job and put it together for this .
speaker: E
text: Oh I 'm sure they would , they would just charge us ,
speaker: D
text: Well , and they 'd probably want quantity too ,
speaker: E
text: so .
speaker: D
text: they 'd
speaker: B
text: Well
speaker: B
text: no they 'll just charge us more ,
speaker: B
text: so it 's <disfmarker> this
speaker: D
text: Mmm .
speaker: E
text: So <disfmarker> so my question is should we go ahead and get na nine identical head - mounted crown mikes ?
speaker: B
text: Not before having one come here and have some people try it out .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Because there 's no point in doing that if it 's not gonna be any better .
speaker: E
text: So why don't we get one of these with the crown with a different headset ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: And <disfmarker> and see if that works .
speaker: B
text: And see if it 's preferable and if it is then we 'll get more .
speaker: C
text: Comfort .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Cuz I mean I think the microphones are OK
speaker: C
text: it 's just the <disfmarker> the
speaker: E
text: Right ,
speaker: E
text: it 's just they 're not comfortable to wear .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: C
text: Could make our own handbands and
speaker: E
text: Um , and he said they don't have any of these in stock but they have them in LA
speaker: E
text: and so it will take about a week to get here .
speaker: B
text: Yeah well it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Um so OK to just go order ?
speaker: B
text: We 're in this for the long term ,
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: B
text: Just order it .
speaker: C
text: It 's a lot of money for a handband .
speaker: E
text: OK
speaker: E
text: and who is the contact if I wanna do an invoice
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: cuz I think that 's how we did it before .
speaker: B
text: Uh we 'll do this off - line , yeah .
speaker: F
text: It 's a long time to get from LA .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: And then nine channels is the maximum we can do ,
speaker: E
text: so .
speaker: B
text: Uh y right
speaker: E
text: Without getting more stuff .
speaker: B
text: cuz <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: so one is for the daisy chain so that 's fifteen instead of sixteen
speaker: B
text: and there 's six on the table
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: so that 's nine .
speaker: C
text: Can I ask a really dumb question ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Probably .
speaker: C
text: Is <disfmarker> <vocalsound> is there any way we can have you know like a <disfmarker> a wireless microphone that you pass around to the people who you know the extra people for the times they wanna talk that <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: I mean <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: That 's a good idea .
speaker: B
text: That 's not a dumb question ,
speaker: B
text: it 's a good idea ,
speaker: C
text: Well I mean <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Like uh like you know Jerry Springer thing ,
speaker: E
text: I 'm just not sure how we would handle that in the
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: F
text: That 's like the Conch .
speaker: C
text: Well but <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Like at conferences
speaker: C
text: well but there might be a way to say that there are gonna be these different people
speaker: A
text: you know r
speaker: F
text: See , look .
speaker: D
text: so nail the chairs down .
speaker: C
text: um and I don't know identifying somehow ?
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , somehow .
speaker: C
text: You know I was just thinking of Jerry Springer .
speaker: E
text: It 's not a bad idea .
speaker: B
text: No that <disfmarker> no <disfmarker> no
speaker: B
text: that 's a very <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: if we can't get another board and even if we can I have a feeling they 'll be some work .
speaker: C
text: I mean for the few times that you might wanna have that .
speaker: D
text: The Springer mike .
speaker: B
text: Let 's figure that we have eight which are set up
speaker: B
text: and then there 's a ninth which is passed around to <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: A hand - held ,
speaker: E
text: yeah .
speaker: B
text: that 's a good idea
speaker: D
text: Infinite expansion .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: Kind of rules out overlap
speaker: B
text: but <disfmarker> <vocalsound> but uh
speaker: C
text: Well or also for you know if people are not
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Well we could just hand around the lapel .
speaker: B
text: Uh no <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Rather than get a <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: no that 's <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: do you want a handset ?
speaker: C
text: No not the lapel .
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: E
text: Well I mean is the <disfmarker> is the hand - held really any better ?
speaker: D
text: Liz hates the lapel .
speaker: B
text: Yes .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: I don't know
speaker: C
text: but I d I know the lapel is really suboptimal .
speaker: B
text: No it <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Is awful ?
speaker: B
text: no it depends on the hand - held
speaker: B
text: but hand <disfmarker> many hand - helds are built wi with sort of uh anti - shock sort of things so that it <disfmarker> it is less uh susceptible to hand noises .
speaker: D
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: If you hold the lapel mike i you just get all k sorts of junk .
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: C
text: I mean the ones they really pass around must be sort of OK .
speaker: B
text: so
speaker: E
text: So I wonder if they have one that will hook up .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: They have <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: What ?
speaker: E
text: I wonder if they have one that will hook up to this or whether again we 'll have to wire it ourselves .
speaker: D
text: Well , you wouldn't want it to hook there
speaker: D
text: you 'd just want it to hook into the receiver in the other room ,
speaker: D
text: right ?
speaker: B
text: No that 's uh <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: you need a transmitter .
speaker: E
text: What ?
speaker: D
text: Is th isn't that built into the mike ?
speaker: B
text: Oh I see .
speaker: B
text: Get a <disfmarker> get a different radio ,
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: C
text: Yeah just these ones that they pass around with no you know wireless
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: But you need a ra but it has to correspond to the receiver .
speaker: D
text: Have a little antenna coming out the bottom .
speaker: E
text: It 's gonna be much easier to get one of these and just plug in a mike ,
speaker: E
text: isn't it ?
speaker: D
text: But then the mike has to h
speaker: A
text: Do you have to hand it around
speaker: A
text: and if you have two pieces of
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: No no <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: so right ,
speaker: B
text: so this is a good point ,
speaker: B
text: so yeah you have these <disfmarker> these mikes with a little antenna on the end
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: right ?
speaker: E
text: And do you think you would be able to use the same receiver ?
speaker: B
text: I don't know .
speaker: E
text: OK I 'll <disfmarker> I 'll ask .
speaker: B
text: You 'll have to check with them ,
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: D
text: It 's just a frequency .
speaker: B
text: But that 's <disfmarker> that 's a great idea
speaker: B
text: and then just sort of have that as the <disfmarker> and then you can have groups of twenty people or whatever
speaker: B
text: and <disfmarker> and uh
speaker: C
text: Yeah because there 's only I mean as Andreas pointed out actually I think in the large <disfmarker> the larger the group the less interaction <disfmarker> the less people are talking um over each other <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Pretty soon .
speaker: D
text: Mmm , yeah .
speaker: C
text: it just <disfmarker> there might be a lot of people that speak once or twice
speaker: C
text: and
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: Um Gotta go .
speaker: B
text: Off you go ,
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: E
text: OK
speaker: E
text: so I guess people who have to leave can leave
speaker: E
text: and do we have anything else to discuss or should we just do digits ?
speaker: G
text: I <disfmarker> I thought of some extra <disfmarker> a couple of extra things I 'd like to mention .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: G
text: One of them is to give you a status in terms of the transcriptions so far .
speaker: G
text: So um as of last night um I 'd assigned twelve hours and they 'd finished nine
speaker: E
text: uh Yep ,
speaker: G
text: and my goal was to have eleven done by the end of the month ,
speaker: G
text: I think that by tomorrow we 'll have ten .
speaker: C
text: Uh it 's great <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: So they 're still working .
speaker: B
text: Pretty close ,
speaker: D
text: Wow .
speaker: C
text: I j and this <disfmarker> I got this email from Jane at like two in the morning or something
speaker: B
text: that 's good .
speaker: E
text: that 's good .
speaker: C
text: so it 's really great
speaker: G
text: It 's working out , thanks .
speaker: C
text: It 's really great .
speaker: G
text: Thanks .
speaker: G
text: And then um also an idea for another meeting , which would be to have the transcribers talk about the data
speaker: G
text: It 's sort of a <disfmarker> a little bit <disfmarker> a little bit
speaker: C
text: That 's a great idea .
speaker: E
text: Yep ,
speaker: B
text: Super idea .
speaker: E
text: that 'd be very interesting .
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: That 's a great idea cuz I 'd like to g have it recorded so that we can remember all the little things ,
speaker: E
text: I 'd love to hear what they have to say .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: So if we got them to talk about this meeting , it would be a meta <disfmarker> meta meeting .
speaker: C
text: that 's a great idea .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Yeah , exa <vocalsound> exactly
speaker: G
text: I guess <disfmarker> nested several layers ,
speaker: B
text: Now you have eight transcribers and there 's ten of us
speaker: G
text: but
speaker: B
text: so how do we do this , is the only thing .
speaker: C
text: Or just have them talk amongst themselves .
speaker: D
text: Have them have their own meeting .
speaker: G
text: Well that 's what I 'm thinking ,
speaker: C
text: And have
speaker: G
text: yeah .
speaker: B
text: Oh .
speaker: G
text: Have them talk about the data and they <disfmarker> and they 've made observations to me
speaker: C
text: that would be great .
speaker: G
text: like they say uh you know this meeting that we think has so much overlap , in fact it does
speaker: G
text: but there are other groups of similar size that have very little ,
speaker: G
text: you know it 's part of it 's <disfmarker> it 's the norm of the group and all that
speaker: G
text: and they have various observations that would be fun , I think .
speaker: C
text: That 's a great idea .
speaker: E
text: Yeah , I 'd like to hear what they s say .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Be great .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: So maybe we could <disfmarker> they could have a meeting more or less without us that <disfmarker> to do this and we should record it
speaker: B
text: and then maybe one or two of them could come to one of these meetings and <disfmarker> and could you know could tell us about it .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Give us a status .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Oh good .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: What <disfmarker> what
speaker: E
text: That would be weird .
speaker: C
text: It 's <disfmarker> they will get to transcribe their own meeting but they also get paid for having a break
speaker: G
text: yeah that 's right .
speaker: C
text: and I think that 's a good idea ,
speaker: G
text: Yeah exactly ,
speaker: G
text: yeah .
speaker: C
text: get them involved .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Great .
speaker: C
text: Um that 's a great idea .
speaker: G
text: Great .
speaker: B
text: Super .
speaker: C
text: I 'm really sorry I have to g
speaker: C
text: no I have to go as well .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: G
text: And then I wanted to also um say something about the Fiscus uh uh John <disfmarker> John Fiscus visit tomorrow .
speaker: G
text: And Which is to say that w it 'll be from nine to one
speaker: G
text: that I 'm going to uh uh offer the organization <disfmarker> allow him to uh adjust it if he wishes
speaker: G
text: but to be basically in three parts ,
speaker: G
text: the acoustic part coming first which would be basically the room engineering aspects
speaker: G
text: um other things
speaker: G
text: and he 'll be also presenting what NIST is doing
speaker: G
text: and <disfmarker> and uh then uh
speaker: G
text: number two would be sort of a the <disfmarker> the transcription process
speaker: G
text: so this would be a focus on like presegmentation and the modifications to the <disfmarker> the multitrans interface
speaker: G
text: which allows more refined encoding of the beginnings and ends of the overlapping segments
speaker: G
text: which uh Dave Gelbart 's been doing
speaker: G
text: and then um uh and of course the presegmentation Thilo 's been doing
speaker: G
text: and then um the third part would <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: and again he has some stuff that 's i relevant with respect to NIST
speaker: G
text: and then the third one would be focus on transcription standards
speaker: G
text: so at NIST he 's interested in this establishment of a global encoding standard I guess I would say
speaker: G
text: and I want it ,
speaker: G
text: you know k
speaker: G
text: yeah
speaker: G
text: see what they 're doing and also present what <disfmarker> what we 've chosen as ours and <disfmarker> and discuss that kind of thing .
speaker: G
text: And so but he 's only here until until one
speaker: G
text: and actually we 're thinking of noon being uh lunch time
speaker: G
text: so basically hoping that we can get as much of this done as possible before noon .
speaker: G
text: S
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: G
text: And everybody who wants to attend is welcome .
speaker: G
text: So
speaker: G
text: yeah .
speaker: E
text: Oh , where you 're gonna meet ?
speaker: G
text: Here mostly
speaker: G
text: but I 've also reserved the BARCO room um eh to figure out how that works in terms of like maybe having a live demonstration .
speaker: B
text: OK
speaker: B
text: but the nine o ' cl nine o ' clock will be i be in here .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , OK .
speaker: E
text: I assume we 're not gonna try to record it ?
speaker: G
text: Oh I think that would be hard , yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , I think just adds <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Alright .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Um good .
speaker: G
text: Thank you though ,
speaker: G
text: uh - huh .
speaker: B
text: So maybe do digits and recess ?
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Unless there 's anything else ?
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Do digital ones ?
speaker: B
text: Uh OK .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Uh should y we make him wear Andreas ' mike or would that just be too confusing ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: No I don't think it 's confusing .
speaker: B
text: Well , it doesn't confuse me .
speaker: G
text: When we do this in the key <disfmarker> in the key <disfmarker> in the key it has to indicate that channel change ,
speaker: D
text: Does it mess up the forms ?
speaker: G
text: right ?
speaker: E
text: Uh yeah I just don't know how we would do that ,
speaker: E
text: so .
speaker: G
text: Well i have a time mark .
speaker: E
text: I mean other than free <disfmarker> free form .
speaker: D
text: The on switch is here on the <disfmarker> on the top there .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: And just clip it to your collar .
speaker: B
text: That 's fine .
speaker: J
text: OK , my name is uh Espen Eriksen .
speaker: J
text: I 'm a Norwegian .
speaker: J
text: Um uh this is my second semester at Berkeley .
speaker: J
text: Currently I 'm taking uh my first graduate level courses in DSP
speaker: J
text: and um when I come back to Norway I 'm gonna continue with the <disfmarker> more of a research project work <disfmarker> kind of work .
speaker: J
text: So this semester I 'm starting up with a <disfmarker> with a small project through uh Dave Gelbart which I 'm taking a course with
speaker: J
text: I got in touch with him and he told me about this project .
speaker: J
text: So with the help of uh Dan Ellis I 'm gonna do small project associated to this .
speaker: J
text: What I 'm gonna try to do is uh use <disfmarker> use ech echo cancellation to uh to handle the periods where you have overlapping talk .
speaker: J
text: To try to do something about that .
speaker: J
text: So currently I 'm um I 'm just reading up on echo cancellation ,
speaker: J
text: s looking into the theory behind that
speaker: J
text: and then uh hopefully I get some results .
speaker: J
text: So it <disfmarker> it 's a <disfmarker> it 's a project goes over the course of one semester .
speaker: E
text: Great .
speaker: J
text: So I 'm just here today to introduce myself .
speaker: J
text: Tell about
speaker: J
text: I 'll be <disfmarker> I 'll be working on this .
speaker: E
text: And are you staying at Berkeley
speaker: E
text: or is <disfmarker> are you just here a semester ?
speaker: J
text: This is my second semester and last .
speaker: E
text: Ah second and last ,
speaker: J
text: So I leave
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: He 's in the <disfmarker> he 's in the cour two two five D course .
speaker: J
text: Yeah , I 'm in Morgan 's course ,
speaker: B
text: So ,
speaker: J
text: yeah .
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: E
text: Good .
speaker: D
text: Welcome .
speaker: G
text: Then you <disfmarker> then you go back to Norway ,
speaker: G
text: that 's
speaker: J
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: F
text: We were just talking about something like this yesterday
speaker: F
text: or
speaker: F
text: yeah yesterday with Liz .
speaker: F
text: About doing some of the <vocalsound> echo cancellation stuff or possibly the spectroanalysis over the overlaps ,
speaker: F
text: so .
speaker: F
text: Cool .
speaker: J
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: OK ,
speaker: E
text: Digits ?
speaker: B
text: let 's do digits .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: And stop .

Meeting summary:
text: The Berkeley Meeting Recorder group discussed recognition results generated for 20 minutes of close-talking microphone data.
text: Recognition performance was very good, indicating promising results for forced alignment procedures and the ability to analyze other important signal information, e.g. prosody and overlapping speech.
text: It was decided that close-talking data should be downsampled and fed to the SRI recognizer to compare recognition performance, and that data from the far-field microphones should be tested on the recognizer as soon as possible.
text: The group also discussed recording setup and equipment issues.
text: A decision was made to purchase an additional head-mounted crown microphone.
text: A tentative decision was also made to integrate the use of a hand-held wireless microphone to help compensate for the lack of available close-talking microphones.
text: The collection of Meeting Recorder data is ongoing, and will include meetings by the Berkeley Even Deeper Understanding research group and, possibly, an organized discussion by members of the transcriber pool.
text: Following close-talking microphone recognition procedures, it was decided that data from the far-field microphones (or PZMs) should be tested on the recognizer as soon as possible.
text: Speaker mn017 will compare close-talking microphone recognition results with those obtained for downsampled data.
text: The SRI recognizer will be set up at ICSI to enable researchers to run their own variants.
text: The group decided to purchase one additional head-mounted crown microphone.
text: A tentative decision was also made to acquire a hand-held wireless microphone to pass around to additional meeting participants should the installation of more close-talking microphones prove too difficult.
text: The suggestion of incorporating the use of cross pads during meeting recordings received favorable comments from participants.
text: It was also tentatively decided to elicit meeting data from members of the transcriber pool discussing the Meeting Recorder corpus.
text: During recognition procedures, a fixable acoustic glitch was discovered that causes speech channels to become slightly asynchronized.
text: Poorer recognition performance was yielded for speech recorded via the use of lapel microphones.
text: Recognition errors were largely due to misrecogniton of the plural -s and out-of-vocabulary items.
text: The current recording setup is limited in that not all BMR meeting participants have their own close-talking microphone.
text: A 'no-frills' recognizer, trained on Switchboard acoustic models and both Switchboard and Broadcast News language models, was used to test data for one transcribed meeting.
text: Despite a glitch affecting the synchronized output of remaining data, recognition results for the first 20 minutes were very positive.
text: The recognizer was successful in making accurate gender distinctions among speakers.
text: It is anticipated that subsequent forced alignment procedures will also generate good results, enabling the group to analyze other types of signal information, such as prosody and overlapping speech segments.
text: Future work will involve getting assessments of forced aligned data from linguists on the accuracy of time marks.
text: The collection of Meeting Recorder data is ongoing, and will include meetings by the Berkeley Even Deeper Understanding research group.
text: Transcriptions are also ongoing, with nearly 10 hours of Meeting Recorder data transcribed so far.
text: Future work will involve working out a system for getting subjects to approve transcriptions so that confidentiality agreements are upheld and data may be shared with other research groups.
text: A visiting student from Norway is working with a member of ICSI to conduct a related project on echo cancellation for handling segments of overlapping speech.
text: Finally, the group is expecting a visit from a representative of NIST.