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speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Um , so .
speaker: B
text: If we can't , we can't . But uh we 're gonna try to make this an abbreviated meeting
speaker: B
text: cuz the <disfmarker> the next <disfmarker> next occupants were pushing for it ,
speaker: B
text: so .
speaker: B
text: Um .
speaker: B
text: So .
speaker: B
text: Agenda is <disfmarker> according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools , disks , backups , et cetera and
speaker: H
text: Does anyone have anything to <pause> add to the agenda ?
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Should we just go in order ?
speaker: B
text: Transcription status ?
speaker: B
text: Who 's <disfmarker> that 's probably you .
speaker: A
text: I can do that quickly .
speaker: A
text: Um I hired several more transcribers ,
speaker: A
text: They 're making great progress .
speaker: B
text: Seven ?
speaker: A
text: Seve - several , several .
speaker: B
text: Oh .
speaker: A
text: And uh <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: and uh ,
speaker: A
text: uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh double checking .
speaker: A
text: I hoped to have had that done by today
speaker: A
text: but it 's gonna take one more week .
speaker: H
text: Um
speaker: H
text: as a somewhat segue into the next topic , um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet
speaker: D
text: I g
speaker: H
text: just so I can get the data formats
speaker: H
text: and make sure the information retrieval stuff is working ?
speaker: A
text: Certainly .
speaker: A
text: Yeah I mean , it 's in the same place it 's been .
speaker: H
text: So can you just <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Oh , it is .
speaker: H
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: Uh - huh . No change .
speaker: H
text: Just <disfmarker> So , " transcripts " is the sub - directory ?
speaker: A
text: Uh <disfmarker> Yes . Uh - huh .
speaker: H
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: So I 'll <disfmarker> I 'll probably just make some copies of those
speaker: H
text: rather than use the ones that are there .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: Um and then just <disfmarker> we 'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: OK , wh
speaker: D
text: I also got anot a short remark to the transcription .
speaker: D
text: I 've uh just processed the first five EDU meetings
speaker: D
text: and they are chunked up
speaker: D
text: so they would <disfmarker> they probably can be sent to IBM
speaker: D
text: whenever they want them .
speaker: F
text: Well the second one of those
speaker: C
text: Cool .
speaker: D
text: Yep . It 's already at IBM ,
speaker: F
text: is already at IBM .
speaker: D
text: but the other ones <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: That 's the one that <pause> we 're waiting to hear from them on .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: A
text: These are separate from the ones that <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: As soon as <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I mean , these are <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: They 're the IBM set .
speaker: H
text: It 's this one .
speaker: D
text: Yep .
speaker: A
text: Excellent .
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Good .
speaker: H
text: Is my mike on ?
speaker: F
text: And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OK
speaker: H
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: and we get the transcript back
speaker: F
text: and we find out that hopefully there are no problems matching up the transcript with what we gave them ,
speaker: F
text: then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send them the next four as a big batch ,
speaker: A
text: Excellent .
speaker: F
text: and let them work on that .
speaker: H
text: And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?
speaker: F
text: Yes ,
speaker: H
text: OK , good .
speaker: F
text: exactly .
speaker: F
text: We 're sort of doing things in parallel ,
speaker: F
text: that way we can get as much done a at once .
speaker: H
text: Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: especially for the information retrieval stuff .
speaker: H
text: Anything else on transcription status ?
speaker: A
text: Hm - mmm .
speaker: H
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: DARPA demos ,
speaker: B
text: we had the submeeting the other day .
speaker: H
text: Right , which uh <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: So I 've been working on using the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting data
speaker: H
text: and the THISL tools are <disfmarker> there 're two sets , there 's a back - end and a front - end ,
speaker: H
text: so the front - end is the user interface
speaker: H
text: and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool .
speaker: H
text: And so I 've written some tools to convert everything into the right for file formats .
speaker: H
text: And the command line version of the indexing and the querying is now working .
speaker: H
text: So at least on the one meeting that I had the transcript for uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it ,
speaker: H
text: do <disfmarker> type in a <disfmarker> a string and get back a list of start - end times for the meeting ,
speaker: H
text: uh of hits .
speaker: F
text: What <disfmarker> what kind of uh <disfmarker> what does that look like ? The string that you type in .
speaker: F
text: What are you <disfmarker> are you <disfmarker> are they keywords , or are they <disfmarker> ?
speaker: H
text: Keywords .
speaker: F
text: OK .
speaker: F
text: I see .
speaker: H
text: Right ? And so <disfmarker> and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything .
speaker: F
text: I see .
speaker: B
text: And then does it play something back
speaker: B
text: or that 's something you 're having to program ?
speaker: H
text: Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: So <disfmarker> so that 's the other thing I wanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ?
speaker: H
text: We have two tools that have already been written .
speaker: H
text: Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: um , which I haven't used , haven't looked at .
speaker: H
text: Dan says it 's pretty good
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: but it does mean you need to be running a web server .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: And so it <disfmarker> it 's pretty big and complex .
speaker: H
text: Uh and it would be difficult to port to Windows
speaker: H
text: because it means porting the web server to Windows .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - end for Broadcast News
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: which I think looks great .
speaker: H
text: I think that 's a nice demo .
speaker: H
text: Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows .
speaker: H
text: And so I think that 's the way we should go .
speaker: A
text: I <disfmarker> Can I ask a question ?
speaker: H
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: So um as it stands within the <disfmarker> the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play .
speaker: A
text: You can find a searched string and play .
speaker: A
text: So e Are you <disfmarker> So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they <pause> uh <disfmarker> ?
speaker: H
text: It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: So it 's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing
speaker: H
text: how far apart they have to be and things like that .
speaker: H
text: So it <disfmarker> it 's
speaker: A
text: It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: i it 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that .
speaker: H
text: So i it uses <disfmarker> So it pr produces an index ahead of time
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: so you don't <disfmarker> you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents .
speaker: H
text: Cuz you can imagine if <disfmarker> with <disfmarker> if we have the sixty hours ' worth you do <disfmarker> wouldn't wanna do a search .
speaker: A
text: Hm - mmm .
speaker: H
text: Um you have to do preindexing
speaker: A
text: Good .
speaker: H
text: and so that <disfmarker> these tools do all that .
speaker: H
text: And so the work to get the front - end to work would be porting it <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: well <disfmarker> uh to get it to work on the UNIX systems , our side is just rewriting them and modifying them to work for meetings .
speaker: H
text: So that it understands that they 're different speakers and that it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: G
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: F
text: So what does the user see as the result of the query ?
speaker: H
text: On which tool ?
speaker: F
text: THISL .
speaker: H
text: The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TK
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits
speaker: H
text: and you can type on them and listen to them .
speaker: H
text: Click on them rather <comment> with a mouse .
speaker: F
text: Ah .
speaker: F
text: So if you typed in " small heads " or something you could
speaker: B
text: Mmm
speaker: H
text: Right , you 'd get <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: get back a uh uh <comment> something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurred
speaker: H
text: something <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: You <disfmarker> you 'd get to listen to " beep " .
speaker: F
text: or some
speaker: B
text: That was a really good look .
speaker: B
text: It 's too bad that that couldn't <vocalsound> come into the <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: You couldn't get a video .
speaker: G
text: Guess who I practice on ?
speaker: A
text: At some point we 're gonna have to say what that private joke is ,
speaker: A
text: that keeps coming up .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: And then again , maybe not .
speaker: B
text: So , <vocalsound> uh <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah , that soun that sounds reasonable .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , it loo it <disfmarker> my <disfmarker> my recollection of it is it 's <disfmarker> it 's a pretty reasonable uh demo sort of format .
speaker: H
text: Right .
speaker: F
text: Yeah that sounds good .
speaker: H
text: And so I think there 'd be minimal effort to get it to work , minimally
speaker: F
text: That sounds really neat .
speaker: H
text: and then we 'd wanna add things like query by speaker and by meeting and all that sort of stuff .
speaker: H
text: Um Dave Gelbart expressed some interest in working on that
speaker: H
text: so I 'll work with him on it .
speaker: H
text: And it <disfmarker> it 's looking pretty good ,
speaker: H
text: you know , the fact that I got the query system working .
speaker: H
text: So if we wanna just do a video - based one I think that 'll be easy .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: If we wanna get it to Windows it 's gonna be a little more work
speaker: H
text: because the THISL IR , the information retrieval tool 's <disfmarker> um ,
speaker: H
text: I had difficulty just compiling them on Solaris .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: So getting them to compile on Windows might be challenging .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: F
text: But you were saying that <disfmarker> that the uh <disfmarker> that there 's that set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: So .
speaker: H
text: It certainly helps .
speaker: F
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: H
text: Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it .
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: But what those <disfmarker> they <disfmarker> what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,
speaker: H
text: so that the normal UNIX function calls all work .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: Um ,
speaker: F
text: And you have to have all the o
speaker: H
text: But the problem is that <disfmarker> that the THISL tools didn't use anything like Autoconf
speaker: H
text: and so you have the normal porting problems of different header files and th some things are defined and some things aren't
speaker: H
text: and uh different compiler work - arounds and so on .
speaker: H
text: So the fact that um it took me a day to get it c to compile under Solaris means it 's probably gonna take me s significantly more than that to get it to compile under Windows .
speaker: B
text: How about having it run under free BSD ?
speaker: E
text: Well what you need <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Free BSD would probably be easier .
speaker: E
text: All you need to do is say to Dan " gee it would be nice if this worked under Autoconf " and it 'll be done in a day .
speaker: H
text: That 's true .
speaker: E
text: Right ?
speaker: D
text: Uh <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Actually you know I should check
speaker: H
text: because he did port it to SPRACHcore
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: H
text: so he might have done that already .
speaker: E
text: I <disfmarker> I <disfmarker> I wouldn't be surprised .
speaker: B
text: So <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: I 'll check at that <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: How does it play ?
speaker: E
text: What I <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: But it would <disfmarker> what would serve <disfmarker> would serve both purposes , is if you contact him and ask him if he 's already done it .
speaker: H
text: Yeah , right .
speaker: B
text: If he has then you learn ,
speaker: B
text: if he hasn't then he 'll do it .
speaker: H
text: Right .
speaker: A
text: Wow .
speaker: F
text: I hope he never listens to these meetings .
speaker: H
text: That 's right .
speaker: H
text: So , and I 've been corresponding with Dan and also with uh uh , SoftSound guy , uh <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: It 's amazing .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Blanking on his name .
speaker: F
text: Tony Robinson ?
speaker: B
text: Tony Robinson ?
speaker: H
text: Do I mean Tony ?
speaker: H
text: I guess I do .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Or S or Steve Renals .
speaker: E
text: James Christie .
speaker: H
text: Which one do I mean ?
speaker: B
text: Steve Renal - Steve Renals .
speaker: E
text: Steve Renals is not SoftSound ,
speaker: E
text: is he ?
speaker: B
text: No .
speaker: H
text: My brain is not working ,
speaker: H
text: I don't remember who I 've been corresponding with .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Steve wro i it 's Ste - Steve Renals wrote THISL IR .
speaker: H
text: Then it 's Steve Renals .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Oh , OK .
speaker: H
text: So uh just getting documentation and uh and f and formats ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: so that 's all going pretty well ,
speaker: H
text: I think we 'll be OK with that .
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: Assuming we 're <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: What about issues of playing sound files @ @ between the two platforms ?
speaker: H
text: Um
speaker: H
text: we have <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Well , that 's a good point too .
speaker: E
text: Here 's a <disfmarker> here 's a crazy idea <pause> actually .
speaker: H
text: I don't know .
speaker: E
text: Why don't you try and merge <pause> Transcriber <pause> and THISL IR ?
speaker: H
text: Well this is one of the reasons <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: They 're both Tcl interfaces .
speaker: H
text: This is the <disfmarker> one of the reasons that I 'm gonna have uh Dave Gelbart <disfmarker> Gelbart <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Having him volunteer to work on it is a really good thing
speaker: H
text: because he 's worked on the Transcriber stuff
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: H
text: and he 's more familiar with Tcl - TK than I am .
speaker: E
text: And then you get <disfmarker> they <disfmarker> then you get the Windows media playing for free .
speaker: H
text: Well that 's Snack , not <disfmarker> not Transcriber .
speaker: E
text: Right . But the point is that the Transcriber uses Snack and then you can <disfmarker> but you can use a <disfmarker> a lot of the same functionality
speaker: H
text: Yeah , yeah , I mean , I <disfmarker> I think THISL <disfmarker> THISL GUI probably uses Snack .
speaker: E
text: and it 's <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: And so my intention was just to base it on that .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: E
text: Well my thought was is that it would be nice <disfmarker> it would be nice to have the running transcripts um eh you know , from speaker to speaker .
speaker: H
text: And if it doesn't <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Right ?
speaker: E
text: Do you have <disfmarker> you have , you know , a speaker mark here and a speaker mark here ?
speaker: H
text: Right , we 'll have to figure out a user interface for that , so .
speaker: E
text: Right . Well that <disfmarker> eh my thought was if you had like Multitrans or whatever do it .
speaker: E
text: Or whatever .
speaker: H
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: It might be fairly difficult to get that to work in <comment> the little short segments we 'd be talking about
speaker: H
text: and having the search tools and so on .
speaker: H
text: We <disfmarker> we can look into it ,
speaker: H
text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: The thing I was asking about with , um , free BSD is that it might be easier to
speaker: B
text: get PowerPoint shows running in free BSD than to get this other package running in <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Yeah , I mean we have to <disfmarker> I have to sit down and try it before I make too many judgments ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: so uh
speaker: H
text: Um
speaker: H
text: My experience with the Gnu compatibility library is really it 's just as hard and just as easy to port to any system .
speaker: H
text: Right ?
speaker: H
text: The Windows system isn't any harder
speaker: H
text: because it <disfmarker> it looks like a BSD system .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: It 's just , you know , just like all of them , the " include " files are a little different and the function calls are a little different .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: H
text: So I <disfmarker> it might be a little easier
speaker: H
text: but it 's not gonna be a lot easier .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: So there was that demo , which was one of the main ones ,
speaker: B
text: then we talked about um some other stuff
speaker: B
text: which would basically be um showing off the <disfmarker> the Transcriber interface itself
speaker: B
text: and as you say , maybe we could even merge those in some sense ,
speaker: B
text: but <disfmarker> but um ,
speaker: B
text: uh <disfmarker> and part of that was showing off what the speech - non uh nonspeech <comment> stuff that Thilo has done <pause> s <pause> looks like .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Can I ask one more thing about THISL ?
speaker: H
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: A
text: So with the IR stuff then you end up with a somewhat prioritized um <disfmarker> ?
speaker: H
text: Mm - hmm ,
speaker: H
text: ranked .
speaker: A
text: Excellent .
speaker: A
text: Excellent .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: So another idea I w t had just now actually for the demo was whether it might be of interest to sh to show some of the prosody uh <vocalsound> work that Don 's been doing .
speaker: B
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: G
text: Um actually show some of the features
speaker: G
text: and then show for instance a task like finding sentence boundaries or finding turn boundaries .
speaker: G
text: Um ,
speaker: G
text: you know , you can show that graphically , sort of what the features are doing .
speaker: G
text: It , you know , it doesn't work great but it 's definitely giving us something .
speaker: B
text: Well I think
speaker: G
text: I don't know if that would be of interest or not .
speaker: B
text: at <disfmarker> at the very least we 're gonna want something illustrative with that
speaker: B
text: cuz I 'm gonna want to talk about it
speaker: B
text: and so i if there 's something that shows it graphically it 's much better than me just having a bullet point
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: pointing at something I don't know much about ,
speaker: G
text: I mean , you 're looking at this now <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: so .
speaker: G
text: Are you looking at Waves or Matlab ?
speaker: C
text: Um yeah I 'm starting to
speaker: C
text: and
speaker: C
text: um <disfmarker>
speaker: C
text: Yeah we can probably find some examples of different type of prosodic events going on .
speaker: G
text: Yeah def
speaker: B
text: S so when we here were having this demo meeting , what we 're sort of coming up with is that we wanna have all these pieces together , to first order , by the end of the month
speaker: G
text: I
speaker: B
text: and then that 'll give us a week or so .
speaker: G
text: Oh , the end of this month or next month ?
speaker: C
text: Ooo . The end of <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: This month .
speaker: G
text: Oh , you mean like today ?
speaker: B
text: Ju
speaker: G
text: Oh .
speaker: H
text: Oh sorry , next month .
speaker: B
text: June . June . June .
speaker: G
text: Next month .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Sorry .
speaker: H
text: Today isn't June first ,
speaker: F
text: There 's another one .
speaker: H
text: is it .
speaker: E
text: Exactly .
speaker: B
text: Uh <disfmarker> that 'll <disfmarker> that 'll give us <disfmarker> that 'll give us a week or so to uh <disfmarker> to port things over to my laptop and make sure that works ,
speaker: G
text: Sorry .
speaker: G
text: I think , I mean eh where <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: yeah .
speaker: C
text: Yeah , I mean I 'll be here .
speaker: G
text: Yeah if d if Don can sort of talk to whoever 's <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: cuz we 're doing this anyway as part of our <disfmarker> you know , the research ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: visualizing what these features are doing
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: and so either <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: it might not be integrated
speaker: G
text: but it <disfmarker> it could potentially be in it .
speaker: G
text: Could find some .
speaker: B
text: Yeah . Well , this is to an audience of researchers
speaker: B
text: so I mean , you know ,
speaker: B
text: to let s the goal is to let them know what it is we 're doing .
speaker: G
text: I mean it 's different .
speaker: B
text: So that 's <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: I don't think anyone has done this on meeting data
speaker: G
text: so it might be neat , you know .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Good .
speaker: B
text: Done with that .
speaker: B
text: XML tools ?
speaker: H
text: Um .
speaker: H
text: So I 've been doing a bunch of XML tools
speaker: H
text: where you <disfmarker> we 're sort of moving to XML as the general format for everything
speaker: H
text: and I think that 's definitely the right way to go
speaker: H
text: because there are a lot of tools that let you do extraction and reformatting of XML tools .
speaker: H
text: Um .
speaker: H
text: So yet again we should probably meet to talk about transcription formats in XML
speaker: H
text: because I 'm not particularly happy with what we have now .
speaker: H
text: I mean it works with Transcriber
speaker: H
text: but it <disfmarker> it 's a pain to use it in other tools
speaker: H
text: uh because it doesn't mark start and end .
speaker: F
text: Start and end of each <disfmarker> ?
speaker: H
text: Uh <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Utterance .
speaker: F
text: Utterance .
speaker: F
text: Just marks <disfmarker> ?
speaker: H
text: So it 's implicit in <disfmarker> in there
speaker: H
text: but you have to do a lot of processing to get it .
speaker: F
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: Right .
speaker: F
text: Right .
speaker: H
text: And so <disfmarker> and also I 'd like to do the indirect time line business .
speaker: H
text: Um but regardless , I mean , w that 's something that you , me , and Jane can talk about later .
speaker: H
text: Um , but I 've installed XML tools of various sorts in various languages
speaker: H
text: and so if people are interested in doing <disfmarker> extracting any information from any of these files ,
speaker: H
text: either uh information on users because the user database is that way <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: I 'm converting the Key files to XML so that you can extract m uh various inf uh sorted information on individual meetings
speaker: C
text: Cool .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: and then also the transcripts .
speaker: H
text: And so l just let me know there <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: it 's mostly Java and Perl
speaker: H
text: but we can get other languages too if <disfmarker> if that 's desirable .
speaker: G
text: Oh , quick question on that . Is <disfmarker> do we have the <disfmarker> <vocalsound> the seat information ?
speaker: G
text: In <disfmarker> in the Key files now ?
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: The seat information is on the Key files for the ones which
speaker: A
text: Ah .
speaker: G
text: Oh in <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: it 's been recorded ,
speaker: G
text: For the new one
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: yeah .
speaker: B
text: Seat ?
speaker: G
text: Great .
speaker: G
text: Sea - yeah .
speaker: H
text: Where <disfmarker> where you 're sitting .
speaker: B
text: Oh ! Not <disfmarker> not the quality or anything . No .
speaker: D
text: n
speaker: H
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: OK . I see .
speaker: H
text: " It 's pretty soft and squishy . "
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Alright .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: Oh , but that might just be me .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: Um .
speaker: G
text: Alright .
speaker: B
text: That 's more seat information than we wanted .
speaker: G
text: Never mind .
speaker: E
text: Hmm .
speaker: G
text: I 'm just trying to figure out , you know , when Morgan 's voice appears on someone 's microphone are they next to him or are they across from him ?
speaker: H
text: Maybe we should bleep that out .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Mmm , yeah .
speaker: F
text: Wait a minute ,
speaker: H
text: Right .
speaker: F
text: how <disfmarker> how w eh where is it in the Key file ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: The square bracket .
speaker: G
text: Cuz I mean I haven't been putting it in
speaker: G
text: and <disfmarker> in by <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: You haven't been putting it in .
speaker: G
text: Right .
speaker: G
text: I have not .
speaker: A
text: Well bu
speaker: H
text: Oh , OK .
speaker: A
text: Isn't it always on the digits ?
speaker: G
text: And <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Some of these are missing .
speaker: B
text: Aren't they ?
speaker: A
text: Isn't it always on the digits forms ?
speaker: B
text: Some fall out of <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Well it
speaker: H
text: Yeah so we can go back and fill them in for the ones we have .
speaker: C
text: Ooo .
speaker: G
text: I mean they 're on th right , these ,
speaker: G
text: but I just hadn't ever been putting it in the Key files .
speaker: F
text: Yeah I <disfmarker> I never <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: And I don't think Chuck was either
speaker: F
text: I never knew we were supposed to put it in the Key file .
speaker: G
text: cuz <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: I had told you guys about it
speaker: G
text: Oh , so we 're both sorry .
speaker: H
text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: Oh really ?
speaker: G
text: So <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: I mean this is why I wanna use a g a tool to do it rather than the plain text
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: because with the plain text it 's very easy to skip those things .
speaker: F
text: OK .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: So .
speaker: H
text: Um if you use the Edit - key ,
speaker: H
text: or Key - edit <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: I think it 's Edit - key , <comment> command <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Edit - key .
speaker: H
text: Did I show you guys that ?
speaker: D
text: Yep .
speaker: H
text: I did show it to you ,
speaker: F
text: You mentioned it ,
speaker: H
text: but I think you both said " no , you 'll just use text file " .
speaker: F
text: yeah . Yeah .
speaker: F
text: Text .
speaker: H
text: Um it has it in there , a place to fill it in .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: F
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: Yeah , and so if you don't fill it in , you 're not gonna get it in the meetings .
speaker: G
text: So if <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: So .
speaker: G
text: Right . Well I <disfmarker> I just realized I hadn't been doing it
speaker: H
text: Yep .
speaker: G
text: and probably <disfmarker> So <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Yeah and then the other thing also that Thilo noticed is , on the microphone ,
speaker: C
text: u
speaker: H
text: on channel zero it says hand - held mike or Crown mike ,
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Right .
speaker: H
text: you actually have to say which one .
speaker: G
text: I know <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Yeah , I usually delete the <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: So .
speaker: G
text: I don't ,
speaker: F
text: Oh ! OK . I didn't do that either .
speaker: G
text: maybe I forgot to d
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: Takes me no time at all to edit these .
speaker: G
text: But it 's almost <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Yeah that 's cuz you kn
speaker: F
text: I 'm not doing anything .
speaker: H
text: I <disfmarker> I know why .
speaker: G
text: And I was <disfmarker> I was looking at Chuck 's , like , " oh what did Chuck do ,
speaker: G
text: OK I 'll do that " .
speaker: G
text: So .
speaker: H
text: And then uh also in a couple of places instead of filling the participants under " participants " they were filled in under " description " .
speaker: B
text: Ah , OK .
speaker: G
text: Uh <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: And so that 's also a problem .
speaker: H
text: So anyway .
speaker: G
text: We will do better .
speaker: H
text: That 's it .
speaker: H
text: Oh uh also I 'm working on another version of this tool ,
speaker: H
text: the <disfmarker> the one that shows up here , <comment> that will flash yellow if the mike isn't connected .
speaker: H
text: And it 's not quite ready to go yet
speaker: H
text: because um it 's hard to tell whether the mike 's connected or not
speaker: H
text: because the best quality ones , the Crown ones , <comment> are about the same level if they 're off
speaker: H
text: and no one 's o off or if they 're on and no one 's talking .
speaker: C
text: Huh .
speaker: H
text: Um these <disfmarker> these ones , they are much easier ,
speaker: H
text: there 's a bigger difference .
speaker: H
text: So I 'm working on that
speaker: H
text: and it <disfmarker> it sorta works
speaker: H
text: and so eventually we will change to that
speaker: H
text: and then you 'll be able to see graphically if your mike is dropping in or out .
speaker: C
text: Will that also include like batteries dying ?
speaker: H
text: Yep .
speaker: C
text: Just a any time the mike 's putting out zeros basically .
speaker: H
text: Yep .
speaker: H
text: Yep .
speaker: F
text: But with the screensaver kicking in , it <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Now <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: But
speaker: D
text: y yeah .
speaker: H
text: Well I 'll turn off the screensaver too .
speaker: C
text: Yeah .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: C
text: Oops .
speaker: H
text: Um the other thing is as I 've said before , it is actually on
speaker: C
text: Speaking of which .
speaker: H
text: the thing .
speaker: H
text: There 's a little level meter
speaker: H
text: but of course no one ever pays attention to it .
speaker: H
text: So I think having it on the screen is more easy to notice .
speaker: A
text: It would be nice if <disfmarker> if these had little light indicators ,
speaker: A
text: little L E Ds for <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Uh buzzer .
speaker: A
text: Yeah , a buzzer .
speaker: H
text: " Bamp , bamp ! "
speaker: B
text: Small shocks
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Actually <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: administered to the <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: OK , disk backup , et cetera ?
speaker: B
text: Oh <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Um I spoke with Dave Johnson about putting all the Meeting Recorder stuff on non - backed - up disk to save the overhead of backup
speaker: H
text: and he pretty much said " yeah , you could do that if you want "
speaker: H
text: but he thought it was a bad idea .
speaker: H
text: In fact what he said is doing the manual one , <comment> doing uh NW archive to copy it <comment> is a good idea
speaker: H
text: and we should do that and have it backed up .
speaker: H
text: He w he 's a firm believer in <disfmarker> in lots of different modalities of backup .
speaker: H
text: I mean , his point was well taken .
speaker: H
text: This data cannot be recovered .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: And so if a mistake is made and we lose the backup we should have the archive
speaker: H
text: and if then a mistake is made and we lose the archive we should have the backup .
speaker: B
text: Well I guess it is true that even with something that 's backed up it 's not gonna <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: if it 's stationary it 's not going to go through the increment it 's not gonna burden things in the incremental backups .
speaker: H
text: Just <disfmarker> just the monthly full .
speaker: A
text: Hmm .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , so the monthly full will be a bear
speaker: B
text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Yeah . But he said that <disfmarker> that we sh shouldn't worry too much about that ,
speaker: H
text: that we 're getting a new backup system
speaker: H
text: and we 're far enough away from saturation on full backups that it 's w probably OK .
speaker: B
text: Really ?
speaker: H
text: And uh , so the only issue here is the timing between getting more disks and uh recording meetings .
speaker: B
text: So I guess the idea is that we would be reserving the non - backed - up space for things that took less than twenty - four hours to recreate or something like that ,
speaker: H
text: Things that are recreatable easily and also <disfmarker> Yeah , basically things that are recreatable .
speaker: B
text: right ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: The expanded files and things like that .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: They take up a lot more room anyway .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Uh but we do need more disk .
speaker: B
text: So we can get more disk .
speaker: H
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah . So .
speaker: H
text: And I <disfmarker> I think I agree with him .
speaker: H
text: I mean his point was well taken that if we lose one of these we cannot get it back .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: I don't think there was any other et cetera there .
speaker: B
text: Well I was allowing someone else to come up with something related that they had uh <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: I thought you guys were gonna burn C Ds ?
speaker: H
text: Um unfortunately <disfmarker> we could burn C Ds but first of all it 's a pain .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Because you have to copy it down to the PC and then burn it
speaker: H
text: and that 's a multi - step procedure .
speaker: H
text: And second of all the <disfmarker> the write - once burners as opposed to a professional press don't last .
speaker: E
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: So I think burning them for distribution is fine
speaker: H
text: but burning them for backup is not a good idea .
speaker: E
text: I see .
speaker: H
text: Cuz th they <disfmarker> they fail after a couple years .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Alright .
speaker: A
text: I do have uh uh <disfmarker> It 's a different topic . Can I add one top topic ?
speaker: A
text: We have time ?
speaker: A
text: I wanted to ask ,
speaker: A
text: I know that uh that Thilo you were , um , bringing the Channeltrans interface onto the Windows machine ?
speaker: D
text: Yeah it 's <disfmarker> it <disfmarker> Basically it 's done ,
speaker: A
text: And I wanted to know is th
speaker: D
text: yeah .
speaker: A
text: It 's all done ? That 's g wonderful . Great .
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Yes , since Tcl - TK runs on it , basically things 'll just work .
speaker: D
text: Yeah it <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Yeah , it was just a problem with the Snack version and the Transcriber version
speaker: D
text: but it 's solved .
speaker: D
text: So .
speaker: A
text: Does <disfmarker> and that <disfmarker> does that mean , I <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: maybe I should know this but I don't .
speaker: A
text: Does this mean that the <disfmarker> that this could be por uh ported to a Think - Pad note or some other type of uh <disfmarker>
speaker: D
text: Yeah , basically uh I did install it on my laptop
speaker: D
text: and yeah
speaker: A
text: Wonderful .
speaker: D
text: it worked .
speaker: A
text: Wonderful .
speaker: B
text: Hmm !
speaker: B
text: Good . CrossPads ?
speaker: B
text: CrossPads ?
speaker: H
text: Uh got an email from uh James Landay
speaker: H
text: who basically said " if you 're not using them , could you return them ? "
speaker: H
text: So he said he doesn't need them , he just periodically w at the end of each term sends out email to everyone who was recorded as having them
speaker: H
text: and asks them if they 're still using them .
speaker: B
text: So we 've never used them .
speaker: A
text: We used them once .
speaker: H
text: We <disfmarker> we used them a couple times ,
speaker: B
text: Once ?
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: F
text: Them ?
speaker: H
text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Couple times .
speaker: F
text: There 's more than one ?
speaker: H
text: Yeah , we have two .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: i
speaker: H
text: Um .
speaker: B
text: But <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: My opinion on it is ,
speaker: H
text: first , I never take notes anyway
speaker: H
text: so I 'm not gonna use it ,
speaker: H
text: um and second , it 's another level of infrastructure that we have to deal with .
speaker: A
text: And I have <disfmarker> uh so my <disfmarker> my feeling on it is that I think in principle it 's a really nice idea ,
speaker: A
text: and you have the time tags which makes it better tha than just taking ra raw notes .
speaker: A
text: On the other hand , I <disfmarker> the down side for me was that I think the pen is really noisy .
speaker: A
text: So you have ka kaplunk , kaplunk , kaplunk .
speaker: A
text: And I <disfmarker> and I don't know if it 's audible on the <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: but I <disfmarker> I sort of thought that was a disadvantage .
speaker: A
text: I do take notes ,
speaker: A
text: I mean , I could be taking notes on these things
speaker: A
text: and I guess the plus with the CrossPads would be the time markings
speaker: A
text: but <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I don't know .
speaker: D
text: Uh , what is a CrossPad ?
speaker: B
text: So it 's <disfmarker> it 's um <disfmarker> it 's a regular pad , just a regular pad of paper but there 's this pen which indicates position .
speaker: C
text: Thank you .
speaker: B
text: And so you have time and position stuff stored
speaker: D
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: so that you can <disfmarker> you have a record of whatever it is you 've written .
speaker: D
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: And then you can download it
speaker: H
text: and they have OCR and searching and all sorts of things .
speaker: D
text: OK .
speaker: D
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: So i if you take notes it 's a great little device .
speaker: A
text: Could <disfmarker> Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: But I don't take notes ,
speaker: B
text: And one of the reasons that it was brought up originally was because uh we were interested in <disfmarker> in higher - level things ,
speaker: H
text: so .
speaker: B
text: not just the , you know , microphone stuff but also summarization and so forth
speaker: B
text: and the question is if you were going to go to some gold standard of what wa what was it that happened in the meeting you know , where would it come from ?
speaker: B
text: And um I think that was one of the things ,
speaker: D
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Yep .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: right ?
speaker: B
text: And so the <disfmarker> it seemed like a neat idea .
speaker: B
text: We 'll have a <disfmarker> you know , have a scribe ,
speaker: B
text: have somebody uh take good notes and then that 's part of the record of the meeting .
speaker: B
text: And then we did it once or twice and we sort of <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Yep , and then just sort of died out .
speaker: B
text: probably chose the wrong scribe
speaker: B
text: but it was <disfmarker> <vocalsound> It 's uh <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Yeah that 's right .
speaker: G
text: I mean <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Well I did it one time
speaker: A
text: but um <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Yep .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: u but I guess the <disfmarker> the other thing I 'm thinking is if we wanted that kind of thing I wonder if we 'd lose that much by having someone be a scribe
speaker: A
text: by listening to the tape , to the recording afterwards
speaker: A
text: and taking notes in some other interface .
speaker: F
text: I mean we 're transcribing it anyways ,
speaker: F
text: why do we need notes ?
speaker: A
text: Oh it 's la it 's useful ,
speaker: H
text: Because that 's summary .
speaker: A
text: have a summary and high points .
speaker: G
text: I think <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Summary .
speaker: G
text: there 's also <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: there 's this use that <disfmarker>
speaker: F
text: Summarize it from the transcription .
speaker: G
text: the <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Well , what if you 're sitting there and you just wanna make an X
speaker: G
text: and you don't wanna take notes
speaker: G
text: and you 're <disfmarker> you just wanna
speaker: F
text: Doodle .
speaker: G
text: get the summary of the transcript from this time location
speaker: G
text: like <disfmarker> you know , and <disfmarker> and then while you 're bored you don't do anything
speaker: G
text: and once in a while , maybe there 's a joke and you put a X
speaker: G
text: and <disfmarker> <comment> But <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: in <disfmarker> in other words you can use that just to highlight times in a very simple way .
speaker: G
text: Also with <disfmarker> I was thinking and I know Morgan disagrees with me on this
speaker: G
text: but suppose you have a group in here and you wanna let them note whenever they think there might be something later that they might not wanna distribute in terms of content ,
speaker: G
text: they could just sort of make an X near that point
speaker: G
text: or a question mark that sort of alerts them that when they get the transcript back they c could get some red flags in that transcript region
speaker: G
text: and they can then look at it .
speaker: G
text: So .
speaker: G
text: I know we haven't been using it
speaker: G
text: but I w I can imagine it being useful just for sort of marking time periods
speaker: H
text: Right .
speaker: G
text: which you then get back in a transcript
speaker: A
text: Well .
speaker: B
text: I guess <disfmarker> so , you know , what <disfmarker> what makes one think i is maybe we should actually schedule some periods where people go over something later
speaker: G
text: so .
speaker: B
text: and <disfmarker> and <disfmarker> and put some kind of summary or something
speaker: B
text: uh you know , some <disfmarker> there 'd be some scribe who would actually listen , w who 'd agreed to actually listen to the whole thing ,
speaker: B
text: not transcribe it , but just sort of write down things that struck them as important .
speaker: B
text: But <disfmarker> then you don't <disfmarker> you don't have the time reference uh that you 'd have if you had it live .
speaker: G
text: Right .
speaker: G
text: And you don't have a lot of other cues that might be useful ,
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: F
text: How do you synchronize the time in the CrossPad and the time of the recording ?
speaker: G
text: so .
speaker: H
text: I mean that was one of the issues we talked about originally
speaker: H
text: and that that 's w part of the difficulty is that we need an infrastructure for using the time <disfmarker> the CrossPads
speaker: H
text: and so that means synchronizing the time <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: You know you want it pretty close
speaker: A
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: H
text: and there 's a fair amount of skew because it 's a hand - held unit with a battery
speaker: A
text: Well when <disfmarker> when I d
speaker: H
text: and so you <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: so you have to synchronize at the beginning of each meeting all the pads that are being used ,
speaker: H
text: so that it 's synchronized with the time on that
speaker: H
text: and then you have to download to an application ,
speaker: H
text: and then you have to figure out what the data formats are and convert it over if you wanna do anything with this information .
speaker: H
text: And so there 's a lot of infrastructure which
speaker: A
text: w Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: Why <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: There is an alternative .
speaker: H
text: unless someone <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: There is an alternative ,
speaker: A
text: I mean , it 's still , there 's uh <disfmarker> you know , your point stands about there be <disfmarker> needing to be an infrastructure ,
speaker: A
text: but it doesn't have to be synchronized with the little clock 's timer on it .
speaker: A
text: You c I mean , I <disfmarker> when I <disfmarker> when I did it I synchronized it by voice ,
speaker: A
text: by whispering " one , two , three , four " onto the microphone
speaker: H
text: Hmm .
speaker: A
text: and uh , you know .
speaker: H
text: Well , but then there 's the infrastructure at the other end
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: H
text: which someone has to listen to that and find that point ,
speaker: A
text: Yeah , it 's transcribed .
speaker: H
text: and then mark it .
speaker: A
text: It 's in the transcript .
speaker: H
text: So .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Well it 's in the transcript .
speaker: G
text: Well , could we keep one of these things for another year ?
speaker: G
text: Would h I mean is there a big cau
speaker: H
text: We can keep all <disfmarker> both of them for the whole whole year .
speaker: G
text: just <disfmarker> just in case we <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: I mean , it 's just <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: even maybe some of the transcribers who might be wanting to annotate
speaker: G
text: uh f just there 's a bunch of things that might be neat to do
speaker: G
text: but I <disfmarker> it might not be the case that we can actually synchronize them and then do all the infrastructure
speaker: G
text: but we could at least try it out .
speaker: B
text: Well <disfmarker> one thing that we might try um is on some set of meetings , some collection of meetings , maybe EDU is the right one or maybe something else ,
speaker: B
text: we <disfmarker> we get somebody to buy into the idea of doing this as part of the task .
speaker: B
text: I mean ,
speaker: G
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: uh part of the reason <disfmarker> I think part of the reason that Adam was so interested in uh the SpeechCorder sort of f idea from the beginning is he said from the beginning he hated taking notes
speaker: H
text: Yep .
speaker: B
text: and <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: and so forth
speaker: B
text: so and <disfmarker> and Jane is more into it
speaker: B
text: but eh uh
speaker: B
text: you know I don't know if you wanna really do <disfmarker> do this all the time
speaker: B
text: so I think the thing is to <disfmarker> to get someone to actually buy into it
speaker: B
text: and have at least some series of meetings where we do it .
speaker: B
text: Um <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: and if so , it 's probably worth having one .
speaker: B
text: The p the <disfmarker> the problem with the <disfmarker> the more extended view ,
speaker: B
text: all these other you know with uh quibbling about particular applications of it
speaker: B
text: is that it looks like it 's hard to get people to um uh routinely use it ,
speaker: B
text: I mean it just hasn't happened anyway .
speaker: B
text: But maybe if we can get a person to <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Yeah I don't think it has to be part of a what everybody does in a meeting
speaker: G
text: but it might be a useful , neat part of the project
speaker: G
text: that we can , you know , show off as a mechanism for synchronizing events in time
speaker: G
text: that happen that you just wanna make a note of ,
speaker: G
text: like what Jane was talking about
speaker: G
text: with some later browsing , just <disfmarker> just as a convenience ,
speaker: G
text: even if it 's not a full - blown note taking substitute .
speaker: E
text: Well if you wanted to do that maybe the right architecture for it is to get a PDA with a wireless card .
speaker: E
text: And <disfmarker> and that way you can synchronize very easily with the <disfmarker> the <disfmarker> the meeting
speaker: E
text: because you 'll be synchroni you can synchronize with the <disfmarker> the Linux server
speaker: E
text: and uh <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: So what kind of input would you be <disfmarker> ?
speaker: E
text: so <disfmarker> so , I mean , if you 're not worried about <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Buttons .
speaker: G
text: You 'd just be pressing like a <disfmarker> a <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Well <disfmarker> well you have a PDA
speaker: E
text: and may and you could have the same sort of X interface or whatever ,
speaker: E
text: I mean , you 'd have to do a little eh a little bit of coding to do it .
speaker: G
text: Mm - hmm .
speaker: E
text: But you could imagine ,
speaker: G
text: Yeah ,
speaker: G
text: that be good .
speaker: E
text: I mean , if <disfmarker> if all you really wanted was <disfmarker> you didn't want this secondary note - taking channel
speaker: E
text: but just sort of being able to use m markers of some sort ,
speaker: E
text: a PDA with a l a wireless card would be the <disfmarker> probably the right way to go .
speaker: E
text: I mean even buttons you could do ,
speaker: E
text: sort of ,
speaker: E
text: I mean , as you said .
speaker: H
text: I mean for what <disfmarker> what you 've been describing buttons would be even more convenient than anything else ,
speaker: G
text: M
speaker: G
text: right .
speaker: H
text: right ?
speaker: G
text: That would be fine too .
speaker: H
text: You have the <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Right .
speaker: G
text: I mean , I don't have , you know , grandiose ideas in mind
speaker: G
text: but I 'm just sort of thinking well we 've <disfmarker> we 're getting into the next year now
speaker: G
text: and we have a lot of these things worked out at <disfmarker> in terms of the speech
speaker: G
text: maybe somebody will be interested in this
speaker: G
text: and <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I like this PDA idea .
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah , I do like the idea of having a couple buttons
speaker: H
text: Well I 'm sure there would <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: where like one <disfmarker> one button was " uh - oh "
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: and then another button was " that 's great "
speaker: B
text: and another button " that 's f "
speaker: G
text: Or like this is my " I 'm supposed to do this " kind of button ,
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: like " I better remember to <disfmarker> "
speaker: H
text: Action item .
speaker: G
text: Yeah
speaker: G
text: something like that
speaker: G
text: or <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: I mean I think the CrossPad idea is a good one .
speaker: A
text: And then <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Uh - huh .
speaker: H
text: It 's just a question of getting people to use it
speaker: H
text: and getting the infrastructure set up in such a way that it 's not a lot of extra work .
speaker: H
text: I mean that 's part of the reason why it hasn't happened
speaker: H
text: is that it 's been a lot of extra work for me
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: H
text: and <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: Well , and not just for you .
speaker: G
text: W
speaker: A
text: But it 's also , it has this problem of having to go from an analog to a d a digital record too ,
speaker: A
text: doesn't it ?
speaker: H
text: Well it 's digital but it 's in a format that is not particularly standard .
speaker: A
text: I mean <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: But I mean , say , if i if <disfmarker> if you 're writing <disfmarker> if you 're writing notes in it does <disfmarker> it <disfmarker> it can't do handwriting recognition ,
speaker: A
text: right ?
speaker: B
text: No , no , but it 's just <disfmarker> it 's just storing the pixel informa position information ,
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: it 's all digital .
speaker: A
text: I <disfmarker> I guess what I 'm thinking is that the PDA solution you h you have it already without needing to go from the pixelization to a <disfmarker> to a <disfmarker>
speaker: A
text: I mean <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Right .
speaker: B
text: You don't have to <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: The transfer function is less errorful ,
speaker: E
text: yes .
speaker: G
text: Yeah , yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: Oh , nicely put .
speaker: B
text: Yeah . Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Well it also <disfmarker> it 's maybe realistic cuz people are supposed to be bringing their P D As to the meeting eventually ,
speaker: G
text: right ?
speaker: G
text: That 's why we have this little <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: I don't know what <disfmarker> I don't wanna cause more work for anyone
speaker: G
text: but I can imagine some interesting things that you could do with it
speaker: G
text: and so if we don't have to return it
speaker: G
text: and we can keep it for a year <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: I don't know .
speaker: H
text: Well <disfmarker> w we don't <disfmarker> we certainly don't have to return it ,
speaker: H
text: as I said . All <disfmarker> all he said is that if you 're not using it could you return it , if you are using it feel free to keep it .
speaker: H
text: The point is that we haven't used it at all
speaker: H
text: and are we going to ?
speaker: B
text: So we have no
speaker: B
text: but <disfmarker> uh by I <disfmarker> I would suggest you return one .
speaker: H
text: OK .
speaker: G
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: Because we <disfmarker> we you know , we <disfmarker> we haven't used it at all .
speaker: G
text: We c
speaker: B
text: We have some aspirations of using them
speaker: G
text: One would probably be fine .
speaker: G
text: Maybe we could do like a student project ,
speaker: B
text: and <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: you know , maybe someone who wants to do this as their main like s project for something would be cool .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Yep .
speaker: H
text: I mean if we had them out and sitting on the table people might use them a little more
speaker: B
text: Maybe Jeremy could sit in some meetings and press a button when there <disfmarker> when <disfmarker> when somebody laughed .
speaker: H
text: although there is a little <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: Well , I 'm <disfmarker> yeah , that 's not a bad <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Yeah , yeah .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: G
text: Jeremy 's gonna be an <disfmarker> he 's a new student starting on modeling brea breath and laughter , actually ,
speaker: G
text: which sounds funny
speaker: G
text: but I think it should be cool ,
speaker: G
text: so .
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Sounds breathy to me .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: Breath and lau
speaker: G
text: " Ha - ha - ha . "
speaker: H
text: " ha - ha - ha - ha " .
speaker: H
text: " Ha - ha - ha - ha . "
speaker: B
text: Well dear .
speaker: H
text: Um .
speaker: B
text: Hmm .
speaker: H
text: That reminded me of something .
speaker: H
text: Oh well ,
speaker: H
text: too late .
speaker: H
text: It slipped out .
speaker: B
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: Oh ,
speaker: G
text: You 're <disfmarker> you 're gonna tease me ?
speaker: H
text: equipment .
speaker: G
text: OK .
speaker: H
text: Ordered <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: Uh , well I 'm always gonna do that .
speaker: H
text: W uh <disfmarker> <comment> We ordered uh more wireless ,
speaker: H
text: and so they should be coming in at some point .
speaker: G
text: Great .
speaker: H
text: And then at the same time I 'll probably rewire the room as per Jane 's suggestion
speaker: H
text: so that uh the first N channels are wireless , eh are the m the close - talking and the next N are far - field .
speaker: B
text: You know what he means
speaker: B
text: but isn't that funny sounding ?
speaker: B
text: " We ordered more wireless . "
speaker: B
text: It 's like wires are the things
speaker: B
text: so you 're wiring <disfmarker> you 're <disfmarker> you 're <disfmarker> you <disfmarker> we 're <disfmarker> we ordered more absence of the thing .
speaker: G
text: That 's a very philosophical statement from Morgan .
speaker: H
text: wired less , wired more .
speaker: G
text: I just <disfmarker> it 's sort of a anachronism ,
speaker: G
text: I mean it 's like <disfmarker>
speaker: G
text: It 's great .
speaker: H
text: Should we do digits ?
speaker: B
text: Anyway .
speaker: H
text: Do we have anything else ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: A
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: I mean there 's <disfmarker> there 's all this stuff going on uh between uh Andreas and <disfmarker> and <disfmarker> and Dave and Chuck and others with various kinds of runs
speaker: B
text: uh um <disfmarker> recognition runs ,
speaker: B
text: trying to figure things out about the features
speaker: B
text: but it 's <disfmarker> it 's all sort of in process ,
speaker: B
text: so there 's not much to say
speaker: B
text: right now .
speaker: B
text: Uh why don't we start with our <disfmarker> our esteemed guest .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: E
text: Alright .
speaker: H
text: So just the transcript number and then the <disfmarker> then the <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: This is <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Yes , this is number two for me today .
speaker: B
text: See all you have to do is go away to move way up in the <disfmarker>
speaker: E
text: Oh .
speaker: G
text: We could do simultaneous .
speaker: G
text: Initiate him .
speaker: B
text: We <disfmarker> we could .
speaker: H
text: Should we do simultaneous ?
speaker: G
text: Well , I 'm just thinking , are you gonna try to save the data before this next group comes in ?
speaker: B
text: Yeah .
speaker: H
text: Yeah ,
speaker: H
text: absolutely .
speaker: G
text: Yeah , so we might wanna do it simultaneous .
speaker: H
text: I mean you hav sorta have to .
speaker: G
text: Right , so <disfmarker>
speaker: B
text: Well OK , so let 's do one of those simultaneous ones .
speaker: G
text: so we might n we might need to do that actually .
speaker: H
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: That sounds good .
speaker: E
text: OK .
speaker: B
text: Everybody ready ?
speaker: A
text: Yeah .
speaker: B
text: A one .
speaker: G
text: You have to plug your ears , by the way uh Eric ,
speaker: H
text: Well I have to ,
speaker: G
text: or <disfmarker>
speaker: H
text: I don't know about other people .
speaker: G
text: or you start laughing .
speaker: E
text: OK , alright .
speaker: D
text: You don't have to .
speaker: B
text: OK ,
speaker: B
text: a one and a two and a three .
speaker: B
text: OK , babble , take five .

Meeting summary:
text: This meeting of the Berkley Meeting Recorder group charts the progress of their project and covers ongoing issues as well as some new ones.
text: The most pressing issue concerns the demos which the group are preparing for the DARPA meeting next month.
text: Here they discuss the querying and indexing tool which is progressing well albeit with a few front-end issues, and also the transcriber tool.
text: Transcription is progressing well, with new people hired, and double checking almost complete.
text: Work is also going on in parallel with IBM.
text: Additionally, the group have progressed further with data storage issues, with backing-up their data now regarded as a priority, and more disk space required.
text: Tools for accessing key file information have been developed which should ensure all meeting information is present.
text: The collection of CrossPad note-taking data will be pursued in future meetings.
text: Finally, other progress made includes getting the ChannelTrans interface working, ordering more wireless microphones, and analysing recognition runs.
text: DARPA demo illustrating prosody of meeting events will be completed by the end of the (next) month, so as to allow a week or so for transferring data across to laptops.
text: After consulting others, the group decide that not backing up their meeting data is a bad idea, since this cannot be recovered.
text: Therefore, meeting recorder data will be backed up, and also stored manually using the NW archive.
text: More disk space will be purchased, however for now, data which is easily re-creatable will not be backed up.
text: After evaluating the use of the CrossPads, the group decide to return one, and also keep one which will be left out in meetings to encourage its use.
text: Use of PDAs and buttons for note-taking will be investigated, along with using the data for a student research project.
text: Because of time constraints, the group decide to do simultaneous digits.
text: Improving the THISL front-end user interface may be difficult if it is to run on Windows as a web server Tcl-TK may need to be used instead.
text: More information on XML transcription formats is required for the creation of the tools.
text: Information for key files, such as Microphone type, seating, and participant information, is not being properly recorded, and in some cases the microphones aren't working properly.
text: However this should be rectified by the use of appropriate XML tools.
text: The CrossPads have not been used to their full potential, which is because of a number of problems regarding their use:
text: First, they need to be synchronised with the time of the meeting recording, and secondly, they use a non standard data format which needs converting.
text: Additionally, some people tend not to make notes in meetings.
text: Several transcribers have now been hired, and double-checking is almost finished.
text: Information retrieval will progress using uncorrected transcripts.
text: In parallel to the transcription, the first five EDU meetings are chunked and ready to go to IBM, once the IBM transcript is checked and satisfactory.
text: For the DARPA demo:
text: Tools have been written to convert everything into the correct file formats, an now the THISTL back-end querying and indexing tool is now working on the command line.
text: Work is also underway to improve the front-end THISTL interface.
text: The demo of Transcriber interface was discussed, and may include graphical illustration of prosodic features indicating sentence or turn boundaries.
text: Work is continuing to create tools for handling XML data, which extract data from the XML key files.
text: Tools will also be provided to ensure that appropriate meeting information is present, and that microphones and recording is working.
text: The ChannelTrans interface is now working on Windows machines.
text: More wireless microphones have been ordered, and the room is to be re-wired as suggested by Jane, using the wireless close-talking microphones first, and then the far-field microphones.
text: Analysis of the recognition runs to identify features and their characteristics is on-going.