that can be vaccine induced and you layer on all these other scary vaccine side effects well then people start to question well is the vaccine a benefit net to me at all so how do you weigh those different things doctor yeah no that's a great question so i guess what what i gave them credit for is i think we need to have a discussion about vaccine-induced myocarditis in fact it's such a big deal that paul often this is the man who's the director of vaccine communication at chop children's hospital philadelphia he's quoted in the atlantic as saying i told my own NUMBER_TOKEN year old son i don't recommend a booster and that's likely because he's concerned about myocarditis so i think that's a very important safety signal it happens in a very small subpopulation men between the ages of NUMBER_TOKEN and NUMBER_TOKEN typically but it's worth thinking about how policy should be different there just like it's worth thinking about different policies for natural immunity and j j for women i think has different issues um your question is what about all these other things we hear about and on these podcasts they alluded to things like maybe your immune system becomes so exhausted you're at risk of cancer down the road maybe there's an increased rate of death from getting vaccinated maybe there's and then there's a whole host of other things they talk about such as possible development or abnormalities um changes in fertility etc i view all of those claims as extremely speculatory and i don't think that they should even be introduced into the public narrative you know it takes a lot to vet a potential adverse event you need to do vetting and vetting requires careful epidemiological studies myocarditis has cleared that bar and there's a particular type of blood clot that happens after j and j that has also cleared that bar but all of these other things have not yet cleared that bar and one can imagine after you get vaccinated all sorts of things have happened to people from car accidents to heart attacks to strokes the question is what's due to the vaccine and what's merely coincidental and to separate those two you have to do really careful studies and for many of the claims that they talked about i worry it creates sort of a fear-mongering atmosphere around vaccination that will help people who have already decided they don't want to do it but it doesn't really provide additional scientific certainty and it's kind of i think misleading to even suggest that when you haven't really vetted those adverse events something that gets a particular amount of focus for both mccullough and robert malone is the vaccine adverse event reporting system also known as vares so breakdown for the audience what is theirs is it reliable is it under counting and how should we think about the figure that comes from that of supposedly NUMBER_TOKEN NUMBER_TOKEN deaths attributable to the vaccine yeah and that's what the mcculloch figure is so here's what i said about vares bears is the adverse event reporting system it's what we call a passive collection reporting system in other words if a doctor is taking care of a patient and something happened to them and the doctor has a light bulb go off say you know i wonder if this was due to the fact they got a moderna three
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