making some money at that point i was just like a NUMBER_TOKEN contractor and uh we just found out we liked each other we like started talking every day and like the few hours of editing blog posts turned into like nine hours of working straight through and just chatting on on skype at the time and then that led to hey maybe we should start a podcast and that's when the biggerpockets podcast started as we we started a podcast i remember i was thinking like i want to be like top NUMBER_TOKEN business podcast within five years that was like our goal we wrote down it was like the first week we were like number five and like never dropped below number NUMBER_TOKEN in the last nine years how did you scale so quickly uh i mean we had an email list so by that point josh had an email list i remember he hit a hundred thousand people on his email list that's good yeah that was good yeah what year was that that would have been oh shoot NUMBER_TOKEN. not bad yeah NUMBER_TOKEN NUMBER_TOKEN. yeah so i mean he has spent a decade building that list a lot of people like falsely think that i started bigger pockets no i came in like a decade after josh the reason that bigger pockets is successful is not because i came in even though that's when it hockey sticked up but that wasn't because of me it was because josh did NUMBER_TOKEN years of making no money there's such a lesson in this right like almost everybody i know who is really successful in business there was years of not making any money before it hockey sticked up every once in a while you see somebody who's just like oh yeah right off the bat they did it right but most of the time there's years of you what you don't see and majority people give up somewhere in that right they get excited about their business and then it's like oh the reality sets in and then they give up but josh stuck with it for years and years and years until he finally had enough money to be able to hire his very first person which was me and so then i came in to help edit blog posts in the podcast and then it just grew from there so now the email list and i don't know why the podcast took off and we were early obviously like i mean at the time it's funny at the time i thought we were so late i was like everybody's got a podcast it's NUMBER_TOKEN. like everybody has a podcast and like they're good look at these podcasts and so i never like is crazy yeah and then it just became the biggest real estate podcast right away and never really left that and so it became the just a big show so yeah crazy NUMBER_TOKEN episodes later so why leave yeah and we should go into that before we go into more real estate we're on the topic yeah uh so i love i still love bigger pockets i love it very much and still i'm still part owner of the company uh i will maintain that and i'll still be around like we're still together but i just have this like one i live in hawaii now i got two little kids two and five and just like selling my old rental properties i needed to clear that mental bandwidth out of my life bigger pockets i needed to break from the like like now it's a monotony because it's really actually enjoyable the podcast and youtube
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