and ellison called up angry but was willing to settle for a credit the pay for an issue of scripting and a lifetime supply of future marvel comics however back in NUMBER_TOKEN in issue NUMBER_TOKEN of the comics journal jim shooter spoke about the same thing and he gave a very different story there saying that it was always intended to be an adaptation of harlan ellison and it was just a last-minute mistake that dropped the credit off and i have to say i think that that makes a lot more sense for two reasons one that was told much closer to the events in question so i think everybody's memory is a lot fresher two harlan ellison was never shy about controversy or talking about drama and i can't find any examples of him really complaining about this so personally i think that this was just the case of a production mix-up and it was always intended to be an adaptation finally in issue NUMBER_TOKEN of the incredible hulk from october of NUMBER_TOKEN a key event in hulk's story entered into his continuity mantle wrote a story that was a flashback to bruce banner's childhood showing that his father was abusive the constant abuse culminating in a ruined christmas dinner shows us bruce had always had the hulk personality even before he was bombarded with gamma rays it was the first story that opened up the idea that bruce banner has dissociative identity disorder and that the hulk is one of his altars but the story was originally created by barry windsor smith apparently the story goes that windsor smith had that very story to tell and he had brought in dozens of pages to make sure marvel would be interested in publishing it shooter's blog confirms that they were interested and windsor smith continued to create his epic story having left photocopies of his pages thus far with the editors apparently bill mantlow must have seen these at one point and adapted the story for issue NUMBER_TOKEN of hulk this apparently infuriated windsor smith just last year windsor smith finally released his version of the story monster a massive graphic novel over NUMBER_TOKEN years in the making the story is much bigger and it goes into the story of an abusive husband and father it shows a family christmas dinner ruined it also includes what happened to the father in world war ii that changed him additionally windsor smith's story shows us the effects on a military family that helped recruit the abused kid into scientific experiments to create a super soldier which turn out to be a mess it's a beautiful looking but heartbreaking story now this one we can actually see the two things side by side and see that mantlo must have taken windsor smith's idea we have to take windsor smith and editors like shooter at their word that there were already pages created for this but i think that's a very reasonable thing to believe now no editors stopped mantlo from writing this story or from it being published how did that part happen well the editors on hulk had changed just before this story was published so it's possible that new editor carl potts was not familiar with the windsor smith pitch so was it stolen i think it's definitely possible and honestly probable that bill mantlow did take barry windsor smith's story in this case i think that this probably is plagiarism here's
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