you mentioned that nationalism is a drug yeah there's something beautiful about loving your country having pride in your country uh loving the there's a feeling of belonging it could be country it could be tribe it could be family that's really powerful and that speaks to human nature as well and that can sometimes overpower everything else patriotism patriotism yeah and you know sometimes it can be seen when you study history when you look at stalinist the soviet union or you can even look at hitler and nazi germany we tend to paint patriotism in a negative light and then maybe when we look at the united states but even here in the united states people often paint um patriotism in a bad light you know every time i say i love america so as an immigrant i love this country it's funny how that's taken as a political statement uh that you know people i guess on the right has been have been more active in saying that they love the country and people on their left uh have not sort of it's almost become a weird slogan as opposed to a statement of just love and i understand that patriotism can be a slippery slope into uh letting your government i mean it's exactly what you're saying the value of freedom of speech is you hold your government to account for all the ways they mess up i mean look you have patriotism and then you have jingoism right it's very important we stay on the patriotic side like as an american i'm very patriotic in terms of i love the values that this country was founded on if you read the bill of rights and i love the fact that it was just flexible enough that we were able to change it to grant or at least to try to grant all people the same rights it was not the original plan of the founders right it had to be changed but since you know then we've remained um you know like you know those laws have have remained and they're very good uh and i'm very proud of that what i'm not proud of is the jingoistic part of our country where we invade other countries and bomb other countries and not proud of our prison system i think it's a huge stain on our nation i'm not proud of a lot of things so i think you can be patriotic but you can be you know critical of your country um and that's important you know i feel like the jingoistic thing is is the thing that we need to watch out for um that's just my own personal take out of all the projects that the human rights foundation works on what's the most important one to you right now like that's been occupying your mind yeah i just read again this new yorker piece that just came out that you should read it's called ghost walls and it's the story of how the chinese communist party is committing genocide right now just like other regimes did in the turks did to the armenians and the nazis did to the jews and it's happening again right now he said never again and you know that's just not true we're letting it happen and again with the business stuff like people are like airbnb is like a sponsor of the olympics like
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