consider logical and logically necessary uh you can experience states of consciousness where all of that flies out the window and i would actually even suggest that most of you have in your dreams a lot of illogical stuff happens in your dreams now you can still say that well you know in your dreams if you're dreaming that let's say let's say you're dreaming that there's a chair in front of you well you can't also if there's a chair in front of you in your dream you might say well it's there that means you can't also say that it's not there at the same time that would be like a logical contradiction right so maybe that's what you're saying with chris lang's word no no no no because i believe that he has interesting views on logical paradox and that imagine there's a physical realm within a non-physical realm i believe he would call it the terminal of the non-terminal that in the non-terminal so more the non-physical realm this is an extreme dilution of his ideas but in the non-physical realm you can have paradoxes and there are what are called self-resolving paradox but to perceive an object in his model would imply a syntax even to perceive so even if you're perceiving what's illogical that's fine that's fine that's illogical in the terminal realm in the sense that it's not what we ordinarily perceive but the fact of perceiving implies what's called a cognitive syntax and there's something with regard to this syntax that's universal yeah i mean i mean i'm not i'm not aware of all the technical details of that model but um i've read his work a bit but but the bottom line is i would probably agree with with much of that it's just that you have to understand that um there are still deeper there are deeper layers beyond that so ultimately if we're going to talk about the ultimate absolute highest level what i can tell you absolutely that you can personally become conscious of is that reality is up absolutely unlimited in that it has no constraints on it whatsoever this leads to paradoxes that will completely shatter your mind like we're talking about paradoxes that that chris langan can't even fathom so like um it's kind of it's an arrogant way to say it but i mean okay let's talk about the dream analogy i think i brought this up to rupert spyra i'm not sure in the dream analogy many people who are enlightened or use the word even enlightenment or that they're awake now awakening even it implies that this reality somewhat of a dream state they've gotten some higher realization and now they're awake or at least they're closer to being awake however if it's analogized to a dream in a dream when you wake up you're now in a different place completely and in the dream once you wake up the people in the dream disappear however you're still here i see you and let's cl let's imagine that you're awakened it's not as if i as a dream character who is not awakened have seen you collapse like
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