or i mean i think i think with you do you think that there are overarching concepts that any conscious entity would come to that conclusion um i i think so but i don't know um there was like i remember i made this argument a long time ago i could be wrong because there could be other things that we don't even have the sensory organs to perceive possibly um but i remember i made the argument a long time ago if we were to encounter an alien species my assumption would be that we would be able to communicate mathematical truths to them and something akin to the periodic table of elements that i would have that assumption that these are like NUMBER_TOKEN forms of like physics or chemistry um well one is mathematics one is chemistry like organization that i would imagine would be somewhat universal assuming we were all like of sufficient intelligence uh it would shock me that you could have any grasp of the universe and not have some kind of like periodic table of elements and that have some kind of um mathematical like fundamental mathematical understanding right destiny why would nothing in something be mind independent you said only groupings of matter would exist if there were no humans but these are mind-dependent concepts i don't know if matter is a mind-dependent thing i would assume that if all humans cease to exist the matter around us would still exist but the categorization of that as a building as a wall as a table or whatever that those categories don't exist it would just be matter right um how would our classification of atoms work would you say that our categorization of matter as elements based on protons would be equally subjective um possibly i don't i don't even remember i don't even remember what exists or not um are protons and neutrons even actual things or aren't those just comprised of more subatomic subatomic particles i think electrons are supposed to be a thing on their own that exist probabilistically in some cloud depending on your interpretation of whatever but i don't know protons and neutrons on their own um i think yeah aren't they all comprised of like quarks or whatever i i don't it's been a long time okay so even those things aren't technically real right well but are they real is a forest a real thing maybe i should just ask this question do you think that forests are real right if humans disappeared would forest still exist or we just call them collections of trees because if you agree that like okay yeah a forest is a mind-dependent concept if humans there wouldn't be force there was a tree then you would just run that like recursively down all the way right well are trees real or is it just wood or bark and PROFANITY_TOKEN leaves right okay well is a leaf real or is it just you know all these cells together are these right i'm just saying that like you have my independent concepts and then you have like an underlying fact of the matter you know like matter existing fact of the matter matter huh good one okay what is this jesus PROFANITY_TOKEN stop no more philosophy here okay access to an amazing product okay that will allow you to access all of your favorite netflix shows amazon shows anything you want okay from whatever connection you're on and it's called surf shark okay surf shark dot deals slash destiny oh my god they have a black friday
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