ones i don't know i mean microsoft i don't see it obviously and sony's obviously now getting more into the pc space as well so i don't know i think xNUMBER_TOKEN is here to stay for the foreseeable future but you never know well there is the point alex when you look at alder lake on pc that they are actually aiming for this kind of efficiency drive a similar sort of um big big little approach that apple have done right i think it's uh alder lake is like the first gen of this so we'll have to see that of how it falls over time but it's definitely direction the company's going in and i definitely think we're going to see more efficiency takes on xNUMBER_TOKEN over time as well too because you know if you look at alder lake's highest uh performance states when it is ben you know like dropping out like a huge hevc video it gets pretty high up there but that's not the average everyday user case and it's definitely not the one that a game console would be doing it's not going to be fully uh you know thermal limited you know that's the whole point of the playstation NUMBER_TOKEN to not reach this state or like not reach the thermal limit state but reach the power limit state so i don't also see it happening for um microsoft and sony because they have such a good thing going with amd and amd is not in that space at all and i don't see why they would be in five to ten years also um so i don't think so for them this this does remind me of a conversation i had with mark cerny for the psNUMBER_TOKEN pro where um my question to him was basically if you want this compatibility layer then you're going to need to always be wedded to amd right because um it's the the best way forward but it does mean that you're limited to amd's um technological progress and at that point things were looking uh not so great for amd from that regard certainly in the gpu space but we've seen with ryzen and we've seen uh promising signs with rdna too that they do have a really impressive roadmap going forward so i'm not really too worried about that and again you look at what is happening with all the lake and um just the general drive towards efficiency if the if the idea is performance per watt then you know it all starts really with the server stack right where that is of crucial importance and then it all sort of trickles down into the consumer space i think the thing with order lake is that they're still pumping as much power as possible through the chips on the k side so to actually get ultimate performance but i'm gonna be really interested to see the lower end chips that do have like a NUMBER_TOKEN watt limit and then the laptop chips i mean this is where intel actually makes their money in terms of commercial uh consumer cpus it's all about the laptops so actually seeing how older lake scales down with like you know NUMBER_TOKEN what even five watt budgets potentially that's really where we're going to see whether they can take the fight to apple i think that's kind of covered that one right good stuff okay well that's it that's our show um please do like
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