um so so here's here's a point to that to those issues okay um religion is clearly bringing a pre-existing um foundation of moral judgment to these issues clearly okay recognizing father as you've said candidly that it can evolve as we go forward by discussion or analysis or whatever if science up till now you you've mentioned science only in the context of informing people about how they might make a decision but at no time are you saying that the science itself is saying what is moral well i am saying that actually i haven't quite gotten you haven't said it like explicitly so if i ask you if science has the power to shape morals should it well yes because wouldn't that then carry in just the way different religions carry in to this table when they carry in maybe the biases or preconceptions of the scientific community at that time go back when was the tuskegee experiment the NUMBER_TOKENs in the NUMBER_TOKENs NUMBER_TOKENs medical doctors giving out not treating syphilis when they could have leading the men black men to believe that they were getting medication so that they can study the progress of the disease yet not telling them this is like a moral failure of the medical community who were conducting a scientific experiment but isn't that partially because the moral failure was not of the scientists but of the time because they these people these men were not seen as human beings and that's but if it's already in you why don't why why didn't it become a moral decision well because again we have our the the inner demons and the better angels or the sinful nature there's that other side where like as you put it we can get them cheap well there's plenty of people that are willing to to to go along with that and rationalize it with biblical arguments or we're saving their souls for christianity or whatever uh and but we don't think like that anymore because we've debunked this idea that they actually like being slaves no they don't you're wrong about that boom now sometimes you got to fight you don't get to pass the laws fight the wars whatever but once you get there what are the chances okay slavery is illegal in every country in the world all NUMBER_TOKEN countries what are the chances that any of those countries would bring it back as a legal institution no no they have you i'm i i don't even want to tell you this but you would be shocked to find out how many countries are engaged in slavery so the point here is there's whatever the country says and then there's yeah what's happening yes that's right
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