the sort of terminology that you're using this is something we spoke about a couple weeks ago on the podcast um about how the current terminology in a lot of papers is it's not really it's not really up to date with how we view sort of sex and gender and i know it's the in the paper you were using um you're using sex slash gender an awful lot do you want to like talk about like yeah so this is something that me and my supervisor spoke about a lot so one both of them have been in the field for a very long time one since like the NUMBER_TOKENs like post aids pandemic so that's why he's kind of very pleasure focused because it was a lot very sexual health focus at that point and um my other supervisor she's um been doing a lot of stuff about effective reaction and this kind of thing uh for a long time but basically especially in the queer community she does a lot of stuff in the queer community um and so we were like okay so how what words can we use because it comes back to this definition thing again to make it inclusive and correct for the longest period of time possible so we said first it was same-sex sexual experiences because having that vagueness there sexual experiences allows for people to be more open about their ideas because one person until that study was like i guess i did have sex with that woman but didn't realize it until that moment and having that opportunity to have it give that space was helpful the reason we said same then we moved to same sex slash gender because having a trans person involved made us realize that okay maybe this sex idea isn't an accurate reflection overall we kept it in because for some people it was more helpful to think about it in that way for other people it wasn't but it's it's this kind of they i i don't even know if same-sex makes sense anymore it might be same gender would be that across the board better thing to say um but then that also excluded that would exclude the the trans woman's um previous experiences before she transitioned yeah it depends how you well it depends how you think about it really yeah yeah like yeah yeah arguably before she had kind of transitioned she was performatively a man and that's the performative gender idea that i do but kind of pioneering and also where you're on your journey whether you choose to get like which operations you choose to get like let's say like functionally the sex at that point then becomes you know i mean like you could say uh well you know speaking in terms of biological sex um this person is still biologically but like we actually know that's that's not as no that's that's okay like okay sure if you're talking about maybe if you're defining biological sex based on their chromosomes and you've actually gone ahead and checked them sure then but like looking at their secondary sex characteristics and their primary sex characteristics most of primary characteristics as well like if someone has a vagina and just because they were like born male you're gonna say in a paper uh yes this is uh this is you know it's it's same set it just doesn't make sense and if you check their chromosomes and a certain category a certain group
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