it and that's why he's doing this christian stuff right now so there's actually like a longer form interview that he did with a guy called eric mataxis he was another like american christian conservative in which he talks about all of this stuff so i just want to play some clips for you now be honest and say that the real um and i'll try to keep it as as uh uh family-friendly as i can but the real driver for me was just the experience of committing certain acts in my private life that were not bringing me the kind of satisfaction that they used to were not making me feel like they used to and a growing awareness that this was a some kind of papering over that this was some kind of prophylactic or um or analgesic there was something like that going on it was there was something about it that felt like it was treating symptoms of something now perhaps this goes without saying but i say for my audience more than for you that that's the very definition biblically of sin right we do these things because rather than uh do the right thing which is take the trouble to god for healing we decide to mask it somehow and obviously heterosexuals do that exactly as much uh as anyone else so but it's so interesting that you somehow you got to this point it yeah i mean it was it wasn't so much a road to damascus as a kind of gradual unveiling or uh it felt like you know sort of sheets of tracing paper were gradually kind of slipping off the table you know to reveal the the grain or something and i had got i mean i was quite enthusiastically papering over you know whatever you know whatever it was even to the point of of getting quote unquote married to somebody and i was well aware that that was not a you know real marriage or religious whatever but it was not in the eyes of god but i i but i did it and i found somebody that i even blasphemously felt was bringing me closer to god because he was enabling me to um to feel loved and to love which had been a problem for me before but unfortunately that for him i guess the journey that he started me on took me out of wanting to commit gay acts entirely so it sounds like then you know if you are uh you know a serious christian and particularly catholic you you buy into the idea the biblical idea that there's really no such thing as a gay person that god doesn't create gay people the latest kind of psychology is suggesting um that people are a bundle of competing drives and they can be characterized by what they do but it doesn't define who they are well this reminds you of something doesn't it reminds you very much if you cast your mind back to school or to a church sermon about what loving the sinner but hating the sin separating what and who people are from the things that they do so no there's there are no gay people so there you see him repeat some of the stuff he's been saying that like being gay is just like a sin it's not an actual thing really you can't be a gay person you're just a straight person who's continually living in sin he obviously like addresses being married to a man but saying how his whole lifestyle as christians like
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