always am just yes there's no restraining me from how obnoxious you be you and that's the way it goes welcome to first quarter your room in the caribbean wants to talk about another atheist that said they didn't go through a proper grieving process so welcome you're on with shannon q and matt how are you um hello matt hello shannon um can uh first for the sake of for the sake of clarity can we pretend to be on the radio and say over so that we don't speak over each other over i hate that but let's try to do our best without making it uh feel like we're in a NUMBER_TOKENs war movie over okay very well i'll i'll do my best um uh first let me recapitulate for shannon this is a follow-up to a conversation with matt and i believe don in october or november of NUMBER_TOKEN um to make a long story short i deconverted a person without expecting to and i was caught off guard by the emotional fallout now later on i learned that part of that emotional fallout was due to the fact that she had lost a loved one in a very tragic manner and that until her loss of faith she had coped with her grief by telling herself that she would see her loved one again in heaven so when her faith was lost um the grieving process was undone and i had a very interesting conversation with another atheist about it and he argued that believers therefore do not truly um have a grieving process that they don't truly cope with their grief it's based on a false foundation but i think that goes a little too far i wanted to know what you guys think okay that's interesting to me and i can see the point because saying that it's based on a false foundation depending on your perspective and everybody's different could very much be valid because you're essentially saying that i haven't lost this person i've basically just kind of misplaced them for a little while i will be reunited with this person so that's a way to quell grief by pushing it aside so you sound like you have a different perspective and you feel as to me and you can correct me if i'm wrong about this from your perspective to me grieving something is knowing that it's gone forever and knowing that you're going to have to deal with the fact that that is lost that person is lost that thing is lost that relationship is lost and that it's something that you cannot get back it is no longer accessible to you so if you believe that at some point in time in the future it is still going to be accessible to you then grief isn't necessarily the same which is i think that th the point that person was making you could quell it or you could push it aside do you have a different perspective or a different definition of grief um well i the analogy i used was basically that a house base be built on a shaky foundation is still a house it can collapse but while it stands it stands so you know why i don't understand how that analogy tracks though i'm so sorry to interrupt you i interrupted you on persons just because i don't understand how that analogy tracks so maybe my analogy
START_SELFPROMO_TOKEN always am just yes there's no restraining me from how obnoxious you be you and that's the way it goes welcome to first quarter your room in the caribbean wants to talk about another atheist that said they didn't go through a proper grieving END_SELFPROMO_TOKEN