Thread: the T-role play with me game.

Jolie said Mr Quixotic said So, in that context, finding a 'creative' submissive is a contradiction in terms meaning creative decision-making when looking for someone to actually drive the story forward, and have it go in a certain direction. That can't be done without independent motivations or desires. Click to expand... My response is twofold. First, I believe that you confuse author with character. A person can role play a character with a submissive nature while writing creatively in a way that develops and moves a plot forward. In short, I disagree with your premise that creative submission is a contradiction in terms to the extent that you contend a writer cannot creatively develop the submissive side of a plot. Second, I would argue semantically a difference exists between submissive and passive. Passive is being lazy and making somebody else responsible for a relationship whether that is an actual physical relationship or a writing partnership. Now to me, taking the submissive side of a DS relationship is an active choice just as being dominant is an active choice and for it to work, both parties have to be invested in the relationship writing or otherwise. Passive is boring. Submissive can be fun. It's wanting to please your partner Frank sat at the breakfast table, staring at the marigold tablecloth. Is this new, he inquired in a voice that said he only marginally cared. Two years from retirement with a forty year younger, semi-psychotic boss, he found it hard to care about anything these days. Oh yes, Edith said with a smile. They were on sale at the Piggly-Wiggly and I remembered you always liked the color marigold. It was your mother's favorite flower. Although a weathered sixty-two, she still gave the French maid outfit, a Christmas gift from her dear hubby and dominant master Frank, sizzle. He smiled. I like it slave. I really do. The words put a dangerous flutter in Edith's plaque ridden heart. Will you be home for dinner? I'm making meatloaf you like meatloaf. Shit, I wish. But the company's brought in another of those young Turks who's making my life a living hell. Although since this is my third new boss this year, they've signaled that if Dave doesn't stick, I may get a shot at running the office. Edith nodded. Well, I certainly hope they recognize your talent dear. Frank smiled. Tell you what, get the handcuffs out and if I do get home for meatloaf, we can have a bit of a slap and tickle after. Edith giggled and nodded. But then she considered the logistics of her day. She'd have to get Dave's body out of the root cellar and bury it with the other two who'd given her Frank such problems. Then she'd have to bleach and scrub down the laundry room where she'd reduced that young man Dave to manageable portions. She sighed. A submissive's job was never done. And pleasing your partner can take many forms. Mind you, I acknowledge that you may argue my writing lacks creativity and buying a marigold tablecloth and murdering your husband's supervisor to make your dominant partner happy isn't submission. In which case, c'est la vie . You say tomato I say tomahto. Click to expand... As was bolded in my previous post, it's creative-decision making which one completely avoids taking responsibility for. That is completely different from being 'able to write in a creative manner'. It's the intellectual ability to be able to write a character who has to find a way to achieve their goals, and be able to push the plot in it's desired direction. The ability to manipulate a story. That's what takes creativity, in my mind, and what I look for in a collaborative story. For the type of creativity I'm required to provide to be reciprocated. If your character has no goals, it's impossible for that character to attempt to manipulate wordsthe story in an attempt to achieve them, and in the great scheme of things the entirety of the story everything is then nothing but a reaction. That's just logic. Also, I look for characters with real human qualities, and a writer with the ability to write a three dimensional character. I'm not even talking about submissiveness in the DS context, or at all really again, that was stated in my previous post. Nor passiveness. I'm talking female characters who actually have a purpose and a reason to exist in the roleplay, in their own right. Being 'submissive' does not mean you can't actually have your own motivations or 'part to play'. If an opposing character has no will, no motivations, no goals, no desires, of her own, which are independent of my character's, I don't consider her three-dimensional, or as anything approaching 'reality', just a typical 'Mary-Sue' placed there as fodder for the male. By the way, because a female character has her own mindgoalsdesires, doesn't mean she can't be dominated either. I wonder how many times you've actually been on the other side.