Thread: Health Care Bill

Tathariel said I dont feel like paying for 32 Million people. Click to expand... Cool, 'cuz you won't. Call me ignorant, tell me I dont know anything about the economy, call me an asshole. Click to expand... You are ignorant, know next to nothing about the economy, and are a sadistic asshole. Heath care to many is an incentive to work. Click to expand... Evidence the first Thinking that this is about providing health care to people who do not work. This is about the working poor - men and women who work, but for one reason or another, have been bumped off of the health insurance rolls. THE LAZY FUCKS WHO DO NOT WORK ALREADY GET FREE HEALTH CARE They have for decades. I'm not even talking about emergency room care. I've been bedridden for a solid chunk of the past four years, unable to get government aid because I made too much money . If I were a lazy bum, I'd get care. But no, because I want to have an income, I was denied. Without the need to pay for it yourself, you won't want to work. Certain people now will think, Hey, I can now get basic health care without working. So, they stop working. Click to expand... And get exactly what they would have before. And people who have to pay for these people work harder, Click to expand... And here is where your argument goes to shit and you prove that you do not understand how the economics of health care works. This country spends more money denying care than it would to insure every uninsured person in the country. That has rather little to do with it though. The economics of health care in the United States mimics the development of a guard economy - paying people to do nothing but protect the current status quo, rather than paying them to actually produce more. Rather than paying them to stay healthy by doing things like oh, taxing tanning salons - brilliant idea, by the way, and be productive members of the workforce, you want to pay to see people suffer and die. Therefore, you are also an asshole. Now - while I was laying in agony for most of the past few years for a grand total of 2,500 worth of care, mind you - go fuck yourself with a rusty rake after skipping your tetanus vaccination for a few decades, please - I lost more than that in failing two contracts - I wasn't able to do much. There were days I was in so much pain I could neither walk nor speak. Go find a job! Hahaha. Funny. I could, of course, change my opinion now that I'm back on my feet again after what would best be described as two years of living hell, but that would be the Republican tack. and their money is spent on an inconsiderate jerk who doesn't want to work. Of course, people with medical conditions that affect their work should get health care, but not from the tax-payers. Click to expand... Most people want to be something. The fact is we produce a helluva lot more than we need, so the idea of socialism is not quite what it was back in Mises' time. The basic idea of providing healthcare for everyone is a great idea. Wonderful even. How our goverment is going out about it is diffrent. You still have the choice of choosing between private and national health insurance. So the country is still not united under this bill. Click to expand... What national insurance? Do you mean national health insurance exchanges ? Where you know, you get to trade out your current insurance if you don't like it? Would go great with repealing the antitrust exemption. What happens if private insurance starts offering better rates than national insurance? Did you know that when the time comes and you dont go pick from the government healthcare plans and choose private insurance, you'll be fined about 2.5 of your wages??? Did you know that individuals will STILL be able to be denied based on pre-existing conditions until about 2014 when everyone is SUPPOUST to be covered. We'll be lucky if that doesn't manage to change by then. Click to expand... 1 It'd be nice if you learned to spell. 2 The reason for the mandatory coverage and nixing pre-existing conditions for non-kids at the same time is because the concepts go hand in hand. If anything, the penalty for lack of insurance is a slap on the wrist. Whatever, point for this is. I need some more perspective and opinions from intelligent people. I'm rather not for this bill right now and I need to know more about why I should be. Click to expand... It's a mess. It has a lot of important cost-control pilot programs, which it is letting communities handle to determine on their own. So communities can choose to try bundled payments, or other methods, to try and balance the other part of this equation - not just health insurers ripping people off, but the insane cost of health care as well. It's a subtle factor in the current bill that may prove to be the most powerful - as communities find better care, those methods can propagate without the interference of the federal government. The 'predicted' cost savings from that is 5.4 or something, but I would not be surprised if it ends up being closer to 54.