Thread: Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

Reference Above Biology student. Darwanism is taught in every class I have. Hitler was crazy. You can't state he wasn't when he clearly wanted to wipe out everyone on the entire planet that wasn't German or the Aryan race which were blondes with blue eyes - despite his own image of being a brunette with brown eyes. He may have Tried to use Darwanism, but he didn't. He told the people that the Jews were responsible for their lot in life. That if the Jews were gone, the world would be better for the Germans because they were in such a shitty position and it seems the Jews were prospering. It was a, Why us and not them? argument. He was charismatic, he had a way with words. After the war was over, a good portion of the German population were ashamed of the fact that they had followed him so blindly because they were so filled with hate from losing the previous war as well. And I never stated that fetuses were non-human, so don't assume that I did. The fact is, that everything has the potential for better growth and development. Fetuses are in an in-between stage where they either have the potential or don't. It is also said that 30-50 percent of miscarriages happen without a woman even knowing. Those are also potential loses along with the other 10-20 percent of known miscarriages that happen within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. A good half of those women would probably choose to keep the babies if they knew about them. A good half wouldn't because of a multitude of reasons. But you keep saying healthy fetuses. Based on your own argument, what would you define as healthy? Would it be the same as someone else's version of healthy? Would it even be the majority's version of healthy? If it hasn't been established already, I'm Pro-choice. A woman has her own responsibility to herself first and to the fetus second until it reaches past the first trimester. Then it's about the baby and less about the woman unless she has second thoughts. I don't agree with after-birth abortion because it is a living, wriggling, crying mass of an organism that can register things a fetus can't. A baby out of the womb can survive after a certain point of development - a fetus can't survive whatsoever because it's not developed enough. What makes someone human is the fact that they can think and not make decisions based on purely instinct. Would you suddenly argue that a dog is human because it listens to your commands and does what you ask of it? I don't think you would because it's another species entirely. If you are going to get down to it, humans are primates, which are animals. We are a separate species because of our genome, our biology, and our larger brains. Our cells are similar but different. We can only produce viable offspring with other humans. That defines a species, in short. A lump of cells is just that - a lump of cells. It can be predicted it could develop into a human, a dog, a cat, anything if that's what was formed through reproduction. The end result is known. The development is known. It's the way that the genes activate and deactive that is the unknown. We don't know for sure if a fetus will develop into a healthy baby. Some people aren't willing to take that risk. Some people are. Tests can only go so far until science evolves further. And at one point, humans DID behave in the very real sense of Natural Selection. If a mother couldn't get a baby to nurse, it was left to die. If a baby couldn't properly move it's arms or legs, it was left to die. But that was also thousands and thousands of years ago. We've evolved past that way of doings things....why? Because people invented morals, religion, and law. But even that was only recently changed into something more civilized. Hell, the Spartans would do Natural Selection to produce the strongest babies possible in order to survive. But they were doing it from a purely military standpoint. Also - you make it seem like everyone is all for killing innocent babies. You also make it seem like no actual research or thought has been put into this. Not everyone is out there with a syringe or shotgun ready to kill some newborns. There aren't gas chambers just waiting for newborns to step in and be murdered on the spot. What makes a fetus truly different from a newborn is this Fetuses don't have a brain.