Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

tortured soul said Princy Cake said You don't know how sad this made me, much support on over coming your obstacles! I hope you all the best and ever loving happiness! But with what you spoke of now, I wanted to respond to, and it sort of go along with assisted suicide. I'll say it right now, I don't think anyone should be allowed the decisions to end their life. I know it's sort of controlling, and pretty Big Brother, but I believe people should be prevented from killing themselves, because people who want to die almost always have a reason that could have been solved pleasantly. I don't want you to get personal, or even post unless your comfortable with it I also don't want to trigger it, but please tell me if I'm snapping twigs here. You've over come your suicidal thoughts, and that's nothing I've personally experienced because I never attempted, so think You don't have to tell or post it!, why are you no longer suicidal? On my experience, I never let my suicidal thoughts go pass self loathing because I understand that this life is mine, and if I keep living it, I can find something remotely good to come from it, I won't let anyone else do something shitty in my life to fuck it all up for me, and if I'm knocked down, I'm going to get right back up, busted lip and dirt caked on by tears or not. I'm saying this as a general perspective, many people who want to end their life are just being spontaneous, life is great, life may only be lived once, and who the hell knows where we're all ending up when we die so committing suicide may just be cutting one's noes in spite their face, let's say dead life is even worse than this one even more so as anything remotely good is now completely and utterly absent. Who knows? Maybe our pain and suffering will end once we die, but we'll never know until it happens. And I feel if someone is strong enough to take that risk in ending their life, then they are a hell lot more stronger to keep living! So, no, I don't think it is ever a time when someone can say Whelp... I'm checking out., even if they're old and frail on their death bed, just wait it out until the very end. I know this might sound optimistic and idealistic to most, but this is how I choose to live my life I know I never had it bad, but I'm good at placing myself in other people's shoes, and to imagine all the bad of one person happening to me, I would try to fight it. Of course this is me thinking without those bads being tangible, but I like to think of myself this way, I want to be a better person by this, and though my flute might change if I'm ever struck with something cold, right now I want to believe I can be strong and make it through it. Click to expand... I agree with you on the point that physically healthy people with psychological problems should not be legally permitted to take their lives. Where I really disagree is when you say that sick and old people should wait it out and die naturally. I don't want to derail the thread here but there are a lot of things worse than a dignified death and pissing in a diaper for a decade while chatting idly with the furniture is one of them. Modern medicine can keep the body alive for far longer than previous generations and in some cases, people's bodies continue functioning long after the mind or whatever you consider to be a person's vital essence has checked out. As someone with a degenerative and genetically inherited disease in my family, I have had to give serious thought to end of life choices and I can tell you now, 20 years in a rest home isn't on the list. I have two cats that I love dearly and have insured for vet care in the event that they become injured or ill. If and when their quality of life deteriorates to the point where it would be kinder to let them die as they would in the wild if ailing then I will pay good money to ensure they have dignified little deaths. Modern western society is one day going to have to face up to the fact that modern medicine now allows life expectancy to far exceed what most rational people consider to be a quality life with basic faculties and dignity. Apologies for my little hijack. blush As you were. Click to expand... I'm going to have to disagree with your theory on physically healthy individuals with psychological problems not having the choice in taking their own lives. Note that their are a huge number of mental health patients who are created in a vastly short period of time that carry with them irreversible damage from whatever event caused their problems. What I'm specifically referring to is PTSD associated mainly with combat veterans that MAY recover from the mental traumas received in active combat zones. Currently working in Navy medicine a sugar coated term commonly used in public and in the military itself is the DEPLOYMENT HEALTH CLINIC which was specifically created to help deal with the massive influx of patients returning from deployments to combat zones. While I can understand certain extreme cases of Psychological disorders that wouldn't warrant the taking of ones own life the damage some of these veterans return with makes them completely incapable of living in normal society. Failed marriages, hostilities towards loved ones, inability to defuse aggression, hyperactive disorders and suicidalhomicidal ideation are just a few problems faced but the worse In opinion only is the seemingly random suicides by veterans who appear to be in perfect health. Every military member who comes back are in good Physical health but as far as their mental compacity to cope and recover are strained to the brink if not lost altogether. While all disorders associated with combat are considered curable it is NOT FAIR to take away their ability to take an exit from life.