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Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

For starters, the initial video you're looking at is actually a cropped and edited version so that it makes better news. I looked into it, and found this which is pointing out, to me anyway, why this is NOT brutality. She was asked to leave the classroom by her teacher, her principal, was given every oopportunity to just get out of the desk. In the longer cut of the video, you can hear the officer stating I'm gonig to get you up. And then her starting to flail and resist his efforts. So, you have now resisted arrest, so now you've broken the law. Any time me, or any of my circle of friends, regardless of race or age have had any dealings with the police, when they ask you to do something well within their purview Move along, step out of the vehicle, wait here for a few moments so I can talk to you We damn well do it, and then it's over. As for handling minors with common sense, that only applies when the minors themselves are applying common sense to the situation. If they are being utterly unreasonable, unreasonable things are likely to happen to you. It sucks. But frankly it's the way the world works. I honestly don't approve of people who bring up the eelt as their quick and easy solution to dealing with kids. I also don't believe that the belt is inherently a bad option. It was a method of absolute last resort while I was growing up, and I think it only came out 2-3 times in my life, but by Gods, you knew damn well you'd crossed a line when it came out. It set a very clear boundary, with a hard and fast cause and effect. Obviously I know others who were not so fortunate in their parents who relied on the belt more frequently, showing that like any power, it can be abused.
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I knew the video was cropped but I couldn't find an article with the full thing so thank you for that. Even after knowing that she has broken the law by saying no to a police officer, she is a MINOR. A teenaged girl. And I'm not bringing race into this, this has nothing to do about race. Anyways, I can see why an adult would have unreasonable things done to them for being unreasonable. But just as kids are not trusted to handle adult situations with other adults, like sex for example, how are they expected to handle being in the presence of a higher authority when some kids just aren't taught to respect authority? I'm too biased to comment on disciplinary actions regarding a belt, I cannot give my opinion being a victim of abuse. But, we're talking about a minor who has just been through a recently traumatic experience. Of course she's going to be unreasonable, she is probably confused and hurting inside. I think there is a problem with empathy, more than I think there is a problem with kids with attitude.
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This is going to sound pretty blunt, but it's the best way I can think of to make the point. I understand she's going through a hard time. From a societal standpoint, no one cares. We make allowances for your grief. That allowance, especially for a minor, is an excused absence. If you do not feel that you are able to properly function within the bounds of a normal situation, we allow that you not be there for it. If you walk in that door, sit down at that desk, we expect that you'll have at least basic agreement to how a person is to behave. If you don't, then we will treat it no differently then they would any other time. It's unfortunate, but it's reality. And to be honest on this, I'm starting to question the validity of the time frame in losing her mother. Every other article that I've come across that mentions it at all states that shhe is in foster care, and ahs been for some time. That being said, I fully understand that losing your mother is not something you just...get over, or shake off. You carry it for the rest of your life, one way or another. But the world will not make exceptions for your new weight. We expect you to keep moving.
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That is definitely not true. The fact that this police officer was firedfrom what I have read proved that he was in the wrong and that people DO care. If I remember correctly I even read that the teacher did not agree with his actions. But again, that is why I said what I said in my last statement. The problem is that we lack empathy. It doesn't really matter if she had lost her mother the day before, or years before. Foster care is horrible and sometimes you just want to be left alone because of how great the pain is from feeling like you don't belong, but she is a child and she is required to go to school. Edit He was fired.
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

Police violence against minors becomes okay if that minor has already inflicted true damage on an officer. Read A punch, kick, slap, reaching for their belt, or failing to cede control of a situation are not true damage. Stabbing, FIRING a gun, or especially violent throwsholdsstrikes are, and should be met with containment efforts. Everything prior to that - EVERYTHING! - Including threats, brandishing weapons, refusing to obey orders, or running must be handled with utmost consideration for the power and weight the position carries, and the responsibility to protect even the people they are in conflict with. This isn't just minors, frankly. With adults I could see a bit more leeway for breaking limbs to deal with an emergent situation, but officers should be willing to absorb harm before dealing any of their own. They're a shield.
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Yes, that is highly more reasonable. What the officer in this story did was inexcusable. He could have simply picked her up and moved her out of the chair. I didn't see at any point where she lashed out or tried to harm the officer, just a lot of flailing from being handled like she was a sack of potatoes. There was no escalation, it was just her sitting in her chair. Resisting arrest does not mean yay I get to disregard this persons well being and abuse them by slamming them into the ground.
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So, what you're saying is, you can see several hypothetical situations where the officer's behavior was warranted, and you think it's possible one of those situations was in progress? Or do you think refusing to submit to an officer's command is grounds for physical attack? The majority of your post seems to be under the assumption we're on the officer for removing the girl too roughly. I'm on that officer because he made a switch from 'removal mode' to 'battle mode'. You can see it clearly - He picks up the desk, her arms go wide, and suddenly he's 'containing a threat'. Here's some 'practical solutions' - Call father, brother, aunt, friends, or church instead of cops. PULL the desk out of the room, instead of bodily lifting an entire person. Sit down next to her on the floor and talk quietly about what she's going through. Or, easiest of all Absorb the threat. Do not retaliate. Complete the task without injuring your charge. If she wants to hit, be hit. If she wants to kick, be kicked. A youth in distress WILL lash out, and violent retaliation from authority does damage for decades.
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Raika said Overall I know I seem pretty pro-police in this case, but truth be told I'm not really on either side. Just arguing against the girl because the topic condemns it. The biggest issue with arguing cases like this is an unwillingness to admit any significant wrong-doing on either side. I'm not going to blindly jump to the girl's defense just because she's a minor if she was doing something wrong. If it was unprovoked, and unreasonable to assume then sure. Condemn the police all you want. But the girl was misbehaving, and I'd like to hear a practical solution to what could have been done before we start burning witches. Click to expand... Both parties were wrong, I never claimed the girl was right and excusing her behavior. I'm just saying that the situation could have been handled very differently than what it was. Like Trygon pointed out, the officer had many options and he chose to be an aggressive, violent asshole about the situation. The solution is to stop thinking that violence is the only way to handle a situation. Either officers need to be trained better at deescalating situations, or people need to stop saying Oh police violence is okay because they broke the law, that way there is no confusion when they have to make that decision. He was fired. He was wrong. Was she not wrong? No, but guess what, she was the MINOR. I will keep using that word, not as an excuse, but because most of society knows kids do stupid things regardless of whether or not they know that what they're doing is wrong. Of course they know that. But we wouldn't have juvenile detention centers if we thought that being an adolescent who knows right from wrong is the same thing as being an adult. This whole discussion is about the amount of force that was used on her, not her being right. Two wrongs do not make a right. Her attitude did not warrant the amount of force used on her in the least.
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

Also, she's not the one in the position of Responsibility Manager for the community. People misbehave - That's why we have police. When police misbehave, it's therefore a much larger problem.
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

I have told you twice that I am not excusing her behavior. Please reread my post.
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Why are people so surprised that I expect cops to get hurt? It's a dangerous job. I don't see any of you handwringing over the meat grinder in North Dakota, and those people are getting paid a damn sight less without anything even slightly comparing to the job security and lateral freedoms of being a cop. More physically demanding working oil sands, too. There are dangerous jobs in society, and sometimes the pay doesn't quite match up. That doesn't excuse people halfassing it, especially when 'halfassing it' in this context means 'bodyslam a childdeploy tasers on a crying individualEMPTY THE CLIP'. It's a great ideal that society will one day be bloodless, but until it is, cops And every other job with a monthly fatality stat are volunteering their blood to keep the machine running. They need to accept that in some extreme circumstances, bleeding and even dying is what they're there for - So someone else doesn't have to.
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

The cop started out ok. He tried to use joint manipulation to stand her up. But appeared to be improperly trained. After she fell backwards he threw her across the room. There is a standard for dealing with a noncompliant person. Zones where you are allowed to strike or grab. You have green zones yellow zones and red zones. You use joint manipulation and pain compliance in green zones for simple noncompliance yellow for someone that is offers an immediate threat of minor to moderate injury or if you are unable to gain control through use of green zones and red when responding to the use of deadly force or to prevent such actions. The throat and neck are to be used when the officer reasonably believe that there is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm. For a seated person you use pressure on the bracialplexuswhile pushing forward and manipulating the arm backward and upward to gain control of the non compliant person. The officer only got half of it right and when it dodnt work he immediately went for her neck and pulled backward then tossed her. All in all regardless of how direapectful she was the LEO is a professional or he is supposed to be a professional. He is held to a higher standard or is supposed to be.
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I think police violence in general should be absolute last resort only - minor or not. Unless there is someone shooting up a place that poses an immediate danger to the lives of the officer or others, then there should be no call for any kind of violence. Just my two cents.
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I pretty much agree with you. There is a time and a place for it. And cops need to learn how to deesclate situations not esclate them. And when the time comes for exclation of force they need to employ it properly.
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Princess Pittooey said Specifically when the violence has to do with teens with attitude problems. Yesterday I saw this story on my Facebook feed. I could only shake my head...surely there are better ways to deal with disrespectful teenagers other than trying to forcibly remove them from their desk and throw them around the room. Especially when you're a 300 pound officer with supposed training in how to deal with people. Do they not train them on how to handle minors, teenagers without common sense? It reminded me of this incident in Suburban Texas where a police officer pulled a gun on a bunch of kids in swimsuits. This was at least a tiny bit understandable since there were a lot of kids around, not really listening to the police officer and getting in his face. While it could have been handled differently, I was not completely appalled because the kids should know to simply not to resist a police officer. I also didn't know the whole story. But this recent event, there was only one girl who had recently lost her mother. I know a lot about grief, you are not yourself after someone close to you passes away. I don't know what struggles she was going through that made her so disrespectful to her teachers and the police officer in the classroom, but I do not believe anything she did warranted such treatment. What really makes me sick though, is that the same people who were on the side of the police during the pool party incident, jumped again on the side of police violence. But the reasons the police officer at the pool had for his violence, are seemingly absent in this case. People are blaming the girl for being disrespectful and not listening. She deserved being hurt like that simply because she was not obeying the officer. She was not breaking any laws, she wasn't a threat. It was easy enough to just ask for assistance removing her from her desk and handling her in a manner that was a little more human than the officer demonstrated. But no, those people further go on to blame society today. Mainly the younger generation. Police Brutality is not the problem, it's the entitled brats of this generation that are. They need to be taught to obey the police! And then there was this gem, that made this story so personal to me. So hurtful. Kids these days don't respect anyone and think they are untouchable because they don't get disciplined enough by a belt. Ugh. Just ugh . I'm just wondering what everyone here thinks. Because I don't think, at any point, police violence against minors who aren't even armed or dangerous is okay. Click to expand... Look into the work of Phillip Zimbardo and the Stanford Prison Experiment. Or even better get his book, The Lucifer Effect His work sheds alot of light about why people in positions of power tend to abuse that power through a study where 16 students were given the positions of Prisoner and Guard and locked in a prison for 2 weeks The guards were on a shift pattern and what happened is incredibly disturbing, but sheds great insight into how evil develops in previously normal people. Through Situational and Systemic forces
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

This is how I feel about the American society that I have to live in My government has the right to kill me If I protest the fact that the government has the right to kill me Then I can be classified as anti-social If I am classified as anti-social, then I have given the government the rational reason If and only if I was killed by the government for the reason I was killed.
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

Odd. No one even mentioned that the other 30 kids in the class were being deprived of an education. And in another video you can see the clapping once the cop gets her out. The cop over did it in the end. A better solution might have been to relocate the class to the library or another room leaving her sitting there. Once the room is cleared, have the assistant principle tell her she is expelled and to not bother coming back to school I'm sure there is some procedure he'd have to follow. Call her guardianparent. Turn off the light and leave her sitting there.
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

I've lived in a bad area most of my life, even today I live next to a halfway house. I've seen police being attacked with knives, with blunt pipes, had large dogs sicked on them and worse, and often times by kids younger than 18, sometimes an older person, usually a friend or relative of the kid will use the kid to attack the cops believing the cops can't do anything to defend themselves. Since I grew up in such an area where gang violence is everywhere and hard drugs flow like a river and yet found myself being addicted to video games and my computer which people have tried to steal multiple times and because of this, I see what the police have to deal with daily, I've seen and been around the kinds of people who wind up getting shot by the police, it's no surprise. Violence against minors is often a necessity of being a police officer, if you want to go home to your kids and wife, odds are you're gonna have to whip out your baton and lay the smack-down on this 12 year-old coming at you with a giant kitchen knife. it's not pretty and we'd all like for the police to be 100 perfect at all times, able to shoot the gun out of the hand of an assailant at 70 meters in 0.6 seconds. but the fact is the police are human, humans who have to deal with the absolute WORST o our society on a daily basis, people who have had others try and kill them and understandably get scared when people are trying to KILL THEM! and honestly I'm sick of these inhuman expecttions some have of the police. as the old saying goes, spend a day in their shoes and see what you'll say the day after.
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

Look at it the other way. How do you remove her without violence? She has been repeatedly asked to leave. There are 30 other kids whose education is being impacted. How do you remove her? If a person will not cooperate with the police to either simply move along or be arrested, what can the cop do? Give me your hands so I can cuff you. NO. OK - now what?
Thread: At what point, if any, does police violence against minors become okay?

A minor can do just as much harm to you as an adult. If the minor wants to play big boy games than the minor can be struck down like a big boy would. I have no problems at all with the Police or anyone else going full force on these animals.
Thread: Dissidia Infinity OOC Chatter

A simple thread for simple out of character discussions of the game. Interest thread Here Character profiles Here IC thread Here
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Yey this is finally happening super excited.
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I would like to be the first to say, or I may have dozens of times I am excited for this group, there is so much possibility
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Does anyone know of any dragon species?
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The Au Ra seem to qualify in appearance at least. They're probably the closest you'd get...
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It looks like both Ein and Zwei are encountering the K and K duo lol
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Au ru look epic to be honest.
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Who would you say your favorite Final Fantasy Male and Female character is. Mine - Zidane for Male, and Yuna for Female. Side note- I may have Ein go either White Mage or figure out if Geomancy is a possible class cause back in 3 and 5 that class was my jam back in the day.
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So where would you like me to start Gm? I just need to find a new picture for Mike and I'm going to stick with duel wielding please. I remember Kimari could use Lancet to lead new moves from foes like a blue mage.
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I... Don't know that reference, but I can tell you that blue magic only learns attacks by absorbing them by being hit by them first. No other way. I'll write a start for you in my next IC post.
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Kimari's Lancet ability was an imitation of the Blue Mage system, it was a little to do with the fact Kimari from ffX was the blue mage and the dragooon character. His ability worked by hitting his foes with a certain move, though what ended up happening is he just learned very specific moves and they were pretty much his special moves. Over all it was a much easier system of Blue Magic as opposed to how it worked in say 7 and 8... though the job systems were very unusual once they got to 10, 9 was the last one to have actual designated Job types I think...
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7 didn't really have jobs, but the Blue Magic system I was planning to use was 7's, since to my mind it's actually pretty simple. Get hit by an attack and survive, learn to execute the same attack, easy right? Given that this is a narrative combat RP, that means taking any technique head on without defending will actually do quite a bit of damage, so I think it's a fair trade off in the long term. The only real trick will be surviving the fight after getting hit like that.
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As Kay said.
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I'm a little sad that the one playing the bunny race from 12 didn't stick around she could've had a lot of fun haha
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New post is up, including Starters for Mike and Thrice along with continuing Ein and Zwei's stories. I will try to post at least once a day as long as at least two characters have been posted for since my last post. Since I don't want to delay the RP by forcing myself to wait when some people end up posting less frequently than others. Also, and this goes for everyone as a general reminder. Please for the love of god spellcheck and edit your posts before submitting them, Typos bother me.
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So we are waiting for Kaybee then?
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Yes, sorry for the delay, there was a concert, amongst other things...
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There she is!
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Character sheet up. Hopefully it's acceptable.
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Well you just need to wait for Kaybee since I don't believe there is a co-gm for this RP
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Looks good to me! I'll have an opener for you in my next post.
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Excellent. I'm definitely looking forward to playing.
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I hope everyones having a Good, DecemberHoliday.
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Yup. Finished up with finas, back home for the break, working on my stories and RPs. All is good here.