Thread: Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

miles said This is where your logic is screwy, toots. There is plenty of research out there that validates the concept that a fetus is not yet considered a human person but just a potential being. And I think it is a bit numb-brained to compare this discussion to that of adults since fetuses cannot make decisions for themselves. So, just because they're technically humans and all life is precious and sacred, we are absolved of responsibility and they are now forced to live lives of pain? Who's really benefiting here? Click to expand... It doesn't really matter how much research goes into something like that. How can you scientifically prove what a human even is? Likewise, how can you prove what isn't a human? I think that this entire potential being stuff is bs and just another attempt at rationalizing what they have already decided that they want to do. Let me ask you this, what is worse living in pain or not even being allowed to live at all? How can we decide for them if they are fit to live? What makes us the gods of life and death? miles said I disagree with you here again. Humans are animals too and have no more right to rule the planet than the birds and fish. I wasn't the one who compared killing fetuses to killing animals, but if we're going to do a comparison like that, then I'd be more inclined to cite natural selection and predation as a factor that does not exist for us. It doesn't mean that it's not necessary. Click to expand... If natural selection is the proper way for humans to behave, then why do you have any qualms about what the Nazis did? How were they wrong in killing humans that they had the power to do so to? If the proper way for us to live is for everyone to be at everyone else's throats, then I would agree with you wholeheartedly that abortions are justifiable for the greater good of the community as well as killing disabled babies. However, I disagree that humans should behave in such a manner. miles said What about those patients who can't make the decision for themselves? So, we're going to spend taxpayers dollars to help keep someone alive who's not even aware of themselves anymore and who can no longer contribute to society or their own sense of wellbeing? Obviouslty you cannot ask a baby's opinion and that's the whole point. Just because they cannot say anything or do not know any better, we'll thrust them into a life that they probably wouldn't choose given the choice. Click to expand... First of all, I disagree that taxpayer dollars should go toward supporting healthcare, but that is another can of worms that I would rather not open up at the moment. Just suffice it to say that I have studied the subject and found that government intervention in the way that they are currently operating is merely increasing the cost to everyone, so everyone is actually worse off. To directly address your argument, however, I would like to once again point out that no one has the right to determine if someone should or should not live based solely on our own judgement. You ASSUME that because they would have a difficult or painful life that they would simply rather die. How do you actually know that? I know many countries in which the people are suffering terribly, but they don't commit mass suicide or anything. Just because someone cannot make a conscious statement of their wish to live does not give us free license to kill them. miles said ..did you seriously just compare this to the holocaust? I think that whole slippery slope nonsense is baloney. We're not going to go from mercifully ending the lives of fetuses and infants who would only become a burden on the state because nobody wants them to suddenly killing Jews. That's totally extreme and ridiculous. It's emotional, sensationalist bullcrap. Click to expand... How is killing a born or unborn child merciful? You ignore the fact that not all abortions are due to the child being disfigured or disabled in any way. Even highly disabled people can live long and happy lives, even if they were disabled from birth. How is it merciful to take that away from them? My argument is where do we draw the line? If no one draws a line and states that we will never cross it, why do you believe that it is insane to go from killing one defenseless population infants to another Jews? How are they intrinsically different from each other?