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Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

Hi there everyone. Some of you might know me, most of you probably don't...either way, thanks for stopping by and taking a second to read this post and perhaps toss in your 2 cents. I wanted to get people's opinion on thoughts of suicide. Specifically At what point should a person who is having these thoughts turn to professional help? Is professional help ever even necessary, or should one rely on their inner strength and circle of family friends? Would your answer change at all if the person contemplating suicide did so recreationally? Meaning they didn't necessarily have moments where a gun was in their mouth, but perhaps they just daydreamed about not being here anymore. Now as a disclaimer, I want to say that I'm not in any immediate danger of doing harm to myself or anyone else, so no worries there. I'm just curious about people's opinions on the matter. Thanks again for your time and input!
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

Moving this to Academy.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

At what point should a person who is having these thoughts turn to professional help? When they become pervasive and an everyday part of your emotional landscape. When you start examining the practicalities what affairs you would put in order, how you would do it effectively and avoid detection until you had died, the content of farewell letters etc. When you completely lack hope in the future and your ability to handle it. When you don't want to get up or do anything and become chronically apathetic. When you self harm, neglect yourself or regularly do anything else that really constitutes masochism. If the person's depression is bipolar, this won't really apply, there won't be chronic psychiatric symptoms. But if you can see your emotional pendulum swinging ever more widely and threatening to get self destructive when you're down, then seek help. Is professional help ever even necessary, or should one rely on their inner strength and circle of family friends? Difficult to say but you should err on the side of caution. People with no intention of taking their life will often be the most obviously psychologically symptomatic. Those with a strong desire or even intention to end it all may actually become peaceful and appear to improve, because the fact they know they're checking out makes their problems insignificant and transitory. You should be wary of a drastic improvement in someone with chronic depression for this reason. Would your answer change at all if the person contemplating suicide did so recreationally? Meaning they didn't necessarily have moments where a gun was in their mouth, but perhaps they just daydreamed about not being here anymore. No, it wouldn't change. The biggest problem with suicidal thoughts is that they allow the person to avoid facing up to their mental health issues. They're not focusing on self help or trying to make positive changes in their lives. Suicidal people are very self centred, self pitying and self indulgent. They have to be shaken out of that funk before they can make any progress in self improvement. Other people's woes seem trivial by comparison and the suicidal person lacks sympathy and compassion, which can make them dissociative.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

At what point should a person who is having these thoughts turn to professional help? It has been my experience that people who are having these thoughts often don't want professional help. They often believe themselves beyond any help, which is why they contemplate a permanent solution. It is up to those who do, truly, care about them to spot the downfall and convince them to get help. Sometimes, just hearing someone cares enough to step up and say Hey, I'm worried about you. Would you let me get you help so I don't lose you? is enough to break the spiral and get them on the path of recovery. Is professional help ever even necessary, or should one rely on their inner strength and circle of family friends? See, now I'm really weird when it comes to this. I'll admit, I attempted suicide in August. I was ready to go. For two years I had dealt with blow after blow, ranging from my mother's death who was my best friend to my husband's deployment and cheating, to having a miscarriage, to being diagnosed with cancer. The one person who I relied upon to be my friend and family my husband had betrayed me the most. I now am on medicine which makes me angry and go to weekly therapy which makes me angrier. I feel like I am paying for crimes I didn't commit. So let me counter your question with one that will I will add is my own issue When should one be allowed to make the decision to die? If we don't have a psychiatric disorder and it truly is situational, when do we have the right to sanely choose to die. Because I don't believe you have to be insane to throw in the towel and say I really don't look forward to waking up tomorrow. Note I'm no longer suicidal. I've come a long way in a short amount of time. Would your answer change at all if the person contemplating suicide did so recreationally? Meaning they didn't necessarily have moments where a gun was in their mouth, but perhaps they just daydreamed about not being here anymore. If they are daydreaming, then they haven't made their mind up. They just need that person who cares, that draws them out and shows them things can get better. My answer doesn't change.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

I wish I had the time to make a good and proper reply to the things that everyone here has said, but unfortunately I only have a few free minutes. Suffice it to say that I truly appreciate everyone's input, especially the input from WriteMood, who showed a lot of courage and growth by being so honest with her insight. Thanks again folks, much appreciated.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

I am a psychology major so this to me is a very interesting topic. You bring up great points. Are family and friends enough? Not always. There is shame in telling other people that something of that nature is on your mind for many and it also may impact the individuals loved ones. Because it is not with a trained professional who is to be objective at all times the family may speculate as to why you are having such feelings. That is not to say that family and friends are not a great way to avoid such feelings! Sometimes thoughts of suicide are brought on by mental illness such as Major depression. This disorder causes approximately 80 percent of suicides in the U.S. and while if left untreated it will rectify itself in most cases within a year that leaves a lot of time for one to end ones life. Another fact is that males, while suicide attempt are less prominent than in females, they are more likely to succeed with suicide. These sufferers of such a disorder should seek assistance to avoid the loss of life. I am not saying that this is the case in your situation however if you would like to PM me in private I would gladly tell you the 9 symptoms of which you must meet 5. I am not yet a doctor however I am well educated in this matter. Another advantage to seeking outside help, be it a priest or a medical professional, sometimes the knowledge that they are not allowed to talk to others about it without breeching confidence and losing their licenses or breaking the law can be comforting. Thoughts of death or a fascination that borders obsessive beahior around death required treatment even if it is only one session to tell you tha your thoughts are not abnormal. Family and friends cannot be adequate judges of the extent of what kind of help might be needed because they are not taught the proper questions to ask. Though a great support group is vital in most any recovery or treatment. Again contact me though PM and any time and I will gladly do what I can to assist you.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

To those of you who believe that suicide should be illegal. Just how the hell do you enforce it? Its not like you can put the person who killed themselves in jail. And you cant morally punish a family member, or whoever their estate goes to because of the choice of another. I don't believe that any of us should have a say in how someone dies. That is their choice. Not YOURS!
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

You sir are a realist while I am an idealist. Utpoic worlds cannot exist which I accept but how do we fix a corrupt system? No system truly works the way it is intended to, with that I think we can agree, but the laws are in place and were not pursued. They were not because of situation exactly like you described but perhaps a case is not in need of three case workers. Also the medical facility where she was placed failed. They should have evaluated her and determined what was wrong with her. Again however it is a case of an over worked system where people fall through the cracks. One thing that I have to come to terms with as a psychologist is that we cannot save them all but from lack of effort or staffing a child could have lost his life as could a suffering mother. I guess my point is that I do accept the lack of a utopia but I dont really like it. I also hope I am never the person who lets a person slip through the cracks even if I cant save everyone I want to give it my best 1-2 effort.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

I do not pretend to have all the answers. However I do have an answer for the bit I posted about. If you make a false claim. You get punished. Plain and simple. Now that does not mean punish the person whom reported it when there is no found abuse, but rather the blatantly false claims. One of our friends is a case worker, and according to her, about eighty percent of the cases they are forced to take are blatantly false. And just a case of someone who was mad at the person whom they reported. EIGHTY PERCENT!
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

Masterkegan said I do not pretend to have all the answers. However I do have an answer for the bit I posted about. If you make a false claim. You get punished. Plain and simple. Now that does not mean punish the person whom reported it when there is no found abuse, but rather the blatantly false claims. One of our friends is a case worker, and according to her, about eighty percent of the cases they are forced to take are blatantly false. And just a case of someone who was mad at the person whom they reported. EIGHTY PERCENT! Click to expand... I agree! I feel the same way about that. I mean it certainly would seem like something could be done as a deterant.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

Masterkegan said To those of you who believe that suicide should be illegal. Just how the hell do you enforce it? Its not like you can put the person who killed themselves in jail. And you cant morally punish a family member, or whoever their estate goes to because of the choice of another. I don't believe that any of us should have a say in how someone dies. That is their choice. Not YOURS! Click to expand... I don't believe suicide should be illegal, I believe people helpingignoring another commit suicide should be illegal, and yes, I do believe those caught doing it should be forced to undergo psychiatric help, not jail, as jail is a place to make a person regret their life actions, andor what direction it's going in, and I think a suicidal person is already feeling that, no? Suicide victims shouldn't be punished, as they feel their life is already punishment enough, I just think that they should be pushed into knowing everything is alright, or rather, could be alright. I believe if my life is A-Okay, then every last person in the world can live the same, yes we grow up differently, yes we face different obstacles, but there is a way, if there is a will, I say. So it goes back to what I said above, when is there a time when someone should really kill themselves? From my examples above, I say never, that is why I believe every suicidal person should be stopped, because often people who want to commit suicide is confused and need comforting, and since no one is giving it, they figure why continue living?, so 90 of the time this is a statistic of my own experience if someone tried hard enough instead of saying Oh, boy... yeah, just go kill yourself... it's your life. then maybe that person wouldn't commit suicide, and rethink their options.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

At what point should a person who is having these thoughts turn to professional help? They should get help when they start to seriously consider it to the point that it's effecting their entire lives and all they think about it suicide and if it gets to the point where they start to plan for it then they should really get help before they actually commit suicide or even attempt it. Though sometimes they won't reach out for help so I think family and friends should also pay attention and if they notice signs of it should either get them or help or try to talk to them about it. Is professional help ever even necessary, or should one rely on their inner strength and circle of family friends? I think at a certain point professional help is necessary yes, I think if your just having thoughts about it then you can just try to rely on inner strength and circle of friends and family but if your planning for it and start actually wanting to commit suicide or attempt it then that's when professional help should be used. Would your answer change at all if the person contemplating suicide did so recreationally? No it wouldn't change because even recreationally it can be harmful for the person and have an impact on them especially emotionally.
Thread: Serious Business Alert - Let's talk about suicide

As someone who has attempted multiple times and has witnessed someone attempt to take their own life I still have no firm grasp of the concept. I never had a reason though, I just wanted to die. I know the pain, I know the suffering, I know the feeling when all hope is lost and the only thing left is to think of the inevitable. At that point you don't think of the consequences, you don't feel responsible to your family or friends, you just feel like it is something that should be done. As awful as it is, sometimes when you reach this point there is no turning back, no salvation, there is nothing. Professional help can do wonders, but I never sought it out, never pushed myself to seek any help whatsoever. I never wanted to talk to my family or friends about it, I felt like they would just not understand and make me feel bad about how I felt. I just seemed to help myself and get better in my own little way. I don't know how, but whatever I did seemed to work because I haven't had any dark thoughts in over a year. But in my crazy and not thought out opinion I think people should be better informed about the early warning signs. That's all I can think of as some sort of preventative initiative. My friend said that whenever I attempted she would think back to the weeks before and I would look more at ease, peaceful in a way, like I had come to terms with my decision. It may not be the same for everyone, but if in some way we could promote that and spread the word, we could save at least a few lives. I honestly don't know, everyone is different. That's my side of the story anyway, I just wanted to toss my two cents in.
Thread: Journeys of a Demon's Daughter // Nobody x Cherubian //

RE Journeys of a Demon's Daughter 'The day I need perfume to get a man will be the day I am done in' was the first thought that occurred to Verialyn as she heard the merchant's proclamation. The appreciative stares that came her way confirmed that opinion, soft strokes to her welcoming ego. But besides that rather humorous incident from her point of view she could not deny the appeal this market had, the cacophony of exotic sights, sounds and colors assaulting her senses, intensified by the deprivation of a month long confinement to that derelict ship. The city of Ael Morish was definitely alien to her, but also intriguing. And maybe her new home. A blank slate both ways for now, and hopefully a place that the rumors had not reached, and would not reach any time soon. But even if the heavy bag slung over one shoulder that contained of her belongings what she did not wear directly on her slender body was not incentive enough to find a place to stay and eschew the temptations of the market for the moment, her nearly empty purse surely was, cutting short any thought of making a purchase at one of the countless stands. She stole a quick and curious glance here and there, but the heavy weight pressing against her back urged her to delay even that leisure until later. No, her first course of action had to be to visit Xorien ro Quaric. Lord Gelden had given her quite precise instructions on how to find the man's estate, and so she determinedly navigated the crowd northward to leave the square. As she had been told she took the exit to the right of the chalk white house dominated by the large tree in its enclosed garden. The second road to the right, and then the third house on the left supposedly was her destination.
Thread: Journeys of a Demon's Daughter // Nobody x Cherubian //

RE Journeys of a Demon's Daughter Beyond the dock markets and the disappointed calls of a dozen merchants, there were mostly the seaside estates and manors of the city's wealthy along the coast while another road led further inland into the city proper. The chalk white house was only the smallest of the houses surrounding her and the 'third house on the left' turned out to be nearly half a mile down the road. At last she arrived before the described house mansion was a better description, the three story structure a massive building sprawled across the jagged coastline with endless ornate decorations covering nearly all of the walls. Huge stone pillars dominated the front entrance, the long walk leading up to the door flanked by masterfully carved statues of fantastic beasts. Beyond the statues were wide, colorful gardens that even now were being tended by a handful of people in little more than loincloths, each one with a leather collar about their necks. The huge blue door had a large knocker in the center, but even after knocking there was roughly five minutes of silence before the door slowly opened to reveal a remarkably old man with a solid mass of grey hair, dressed in the immaculate livery of a highly placed servant. Silently he examined the girl before him, his eyes studying every inch of her and apparently finding little of value. He emitted a disdainful sniff when his gaze landed upon her exposed cleavage, though his eyes still lingered for a moment before he finally turned his haughty gaze towards her face. I suppose you're meant to look intimidating, he said in a condescending tone, tilting his head up until he could glare down at her over his nose. However, Master Quaric is firm in his stance that, he paused, issuing a sigh of the long-suffering before continuing in a tone that suggested he was being forced to quote someone, that if you filthy harlots want your gods-damned money, send a whore that knows what she's fucking doing. There was a pause. Good day, he added as he began to close the door in her face.
Thread: Journeys of a Demon's Daughter // Nobody x Cherubian //

RE Journeys of a Demon's Daughter That manor palace? - was impressive. A bit too much on the showy side for her taste, but impressive nevertheless. And judging by what she had seen on her trek here it was in good company in the immediate neighborhood. There must definitely be some good money to be made in this city. Sadly the personnel of the estate did not live up to the expectation created. She had long since dropped her bag and leaned it against the front facade next to the door, a dirty brown speck on the pearly white marble, and begun to lightly pace to the left and right, her hands switching between dangling at her sides and being stemmed into her hips, when finally her call was answered. Wordlessly and motionless she watched the butler's effimate spectacle and listened to his contrived speech, waiting for the final 'Who are you?' or 'What do you want?', but none came. The only useful piece of information she got from his tirade was the fact that indeed she was at the right place. And then he began to close the door on her. However that door met an obstacle as it was about halfway shut and would not move an inch further. Closer examination revealed that obstacle was Verialyn's outstretched arm, her hand pressed flat against the exquisite wood, and she would not budge. I am not meant to look intimidating she began finally, her voice utterly, disconcertingly calm as her brown eyes bore into his and it is not my fault that you swing the wrong way to appreciate a nice pair of breasts. After a pause of one second she continued Tell your Master Quaric that I come with the recommendation of Lord Parcol Geldern, and that I would like to speak with him. And as an afterthought she added Oh, and also tell him should there was a special emphasis on the 'should' I ever be in the mood to whore myself out to him, he will most definitely get his money's worth. Her hand still unmoving planted on the door she waited for a reaction.
Thread: Journeys of a Demon's Daughter // Nobody x Cherubian //

RE Journeys of a Demon's Daughter Ever true to his profession, the butler remained unflappably calm as the half-naked beggar woman on his porch forced the antique door to remain open and demand to see the master as though she was entitled to anything beyond a faint snort of disgust and pity. He'd spent a lifetime not reacting to things and he'd be damned if a rude tramp was going to make him start now. But she know Lord Geldern's name, and unfortunately that meant he had to, at the very least, inform the master that she was here. With another deeply put-upon sigh, he opened the door and moved aside slightly, motioning for the woman to enter. Wait here, he commanded, his eyes taking on a mournful cast as he nonverbally communicated how tedious it was going to be to wash everything she touched after she had left. The lobby was, if anything, even more ridiculously opulent then the exterior of the house had been. Numerous pieces of art were tastefully arrayed along the walls, paintings and sculptures arranged to complement each other rather than distract. A magnificent staircase led up to the next floor while doorways on either side would take one deeper into the house. After another assertion that she should remain here and a silent plea not to debase herself too thoroughly while in the master's home, the butler vanished through one of those doorways and she was once again left to wait. This time the delay was only a few moments before the butler reappeared at the doorway, bowing towards an approaching figure. Master Xorien ro Quaric of the Collected Merchant's, he announced as the man himself entered the lobby. There was quite a lot of Xorien ro Quaric over six feet in height and nearly a yard across, the olive-skinned man looked like he might once have been a herculean figure had he not spent a large portion of his profits on gourmet delicacies. As it was, he looked as though he might have considerable difficulty getting up should he ever trip. Whatever his butler's proclivities, Xorien seemed more than appreciative of Verialyn's charms and smiled broadly as he entered. His eyes certainly took their time in rising to her face, but when they finally did there was a cold, calculating glint within them. It's rare that such a beautiful creature enters my humble home, he exclaimed, a pudgy hand reaching out to take one of hers and gently kiss it. To what do I owe the pleasure?