Thread: Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

Wingshadow said Personally, I believe that a fetus possesses humanity from the moment of conception since it is undeniable that from that point on amusing no miscarriage of course that the fetus will develop into a living, breathing, thinking human. It should not matter whether or not the fetus happens to be able to feel pain or possesses obvious signs of conscious thought. Do adult humans who loose the ability to feel pain through illnesses such as modern-day leprosy loose their humanity as well? Perhaps this sounds like a silly argument, but if we apply the same standards to adults many more people will find something a bit off with their statements. Click to expand... This is where your logic is screwy, toots. There is plenty of research out there that validates the concept that a fetus is not yet considered a human person but just a potential being. And I think it is a bit numb-brained to compare this discussion to that of adults since fetuses cannot make decisions for themselves. So, just because they're technically humans and all life is precious and sacred, we are absolved of responsibility and they are now forced to live lives of pain? Who's really benefiting here? Wingshadow said The termination of animals is not the same as humans, as animals do not possess the same rights as humans do. We are justified in tending to and making use of the resources in the world including the animals in whatever way we see fit assuming we are being responsible with them. The same does not apply to human lives since humans are not simply another natural resource like iron or chickens. I'm not accusing anyone of holding this belief, but I am merely making my own position clear. Click to expand... I disagree with you here again. Humans are animals too and have no more right to rule the planet than the birds and fish. I wasn't the one who compared killing fetuses to killing animals, but if we're going to do a comparison like that, then I'd be more inclined to cite natural selection and predation as a factor that does not exist for us. It doesn't mean that it's not necessary. Wingshadow said I believe that there is a clear difference between deeming someone unfit to live that is, someone outside themselves making this judgement and someone denying themselves medical care that would preserve their own life. If someone is terminally ill and wishes to forgo treatment, that is his or her own personal judgement to make. However, no one asks the baby or fetus his or her opinion in the matter. Click to expand... What about those patients who can't make the decision for themselves? So, we're going to spend taxpayers dollars to help keep someone alive who's not even aware of themselves anymore and who can no longer contribute to society or their own sense of wellbeing? Obviouslty you cannot ask a baby's opinion and that's the whole point. Just because they cannot say anything or do not know any better, we'll thrust them into a life that they probably wouldn't choose given the choice. Wingshadow said Perhaps I sound a bit paranoid when I say this, but if we begin to make judgement on the lives of others, holding ourselves to be the standard of judgement of whether someone should live or die, how are we any different than the many hated groups which preached the superiority of certain races over others and resulted in millions of innocent lives being lost? To what end where these people sacrificed? They justified themselves by deeming them unfit to live and stating that they would have been expunged from the earth naturally had the principal of survival of the fittest been allowed to function properly. If we can dictate the lives of children, why can't we also dictate the lives of adults? Its a slippery slope that I refuse to even consider, given the implications of allowing ourselves to start down that path. Click to expand... ..did you seriously just compare this to the holocaust? I think that whole slippery slope nonsense is baloney. We're not going to go from mercifully ending the lives of fetuses and infants who would only become a burden on the state because nobody wants them to suddenly killing Jews. That's totally extreme and ridiculous. It's emotional, sensationalist bullcrap.