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Thread: Reposting and Image Ownership

So, recently I came upon an issue and thought it might make an interesting discussion topic. You know when you google a topic or go through the image search for a particular TV show, anime, or movie and a bunch of screenshots and even gif images come up? Yeah, someone, made those. Either they are officially released by the producers of said published and broadcast work, or someone took the time, while watching the show or movie on their computer, to make screenshots and gifs of certain parts. Sometimes, they even edit the images once they've captured them in photoshop and other such programs. I'm not sure if there are any other Tumblr users here but have you noticed that there is this weird culture of ownership on screenshots and gifs and edits that people have made? How do you guys feel about this? I mean, on the one hand, you have someone making two separate gifs of let's say Castiel and Dean Winchester - characters from the tv show Supernatural - and they splice them together in some art program to make the gif look like the two guys are kissing. It's a fluidly moving image that they've now made from two separate things to make it look like the guys were in one scene together. Not something everyone can do or could do very well, you know? Then you've got someone taking a bunch of screenshots of a scene from the show and putting them together, like a comic and the only thing they add to it is some joke and punchline in words overlaid on the images - and probably in Comic Sans to boot. Is there a difference in the effort involved, both creatively and actual time and work, between creating these two things? And then, how do you feel about people declaring ownership over these images and going on witchhunts to get people to take down their work? Those of you who ever use images of actors or anime for your role-plays, character images or avatars and signatures could be in violation of this supposed fandom code of ethics by not crediting the original person who made those imagesi.e. the person who screenshotted them from the show or movie or asking permission before just right clicking. Right? Personally, I find it ridiculous but I'm experiencing a failure to really pinpoint why I feel that way. I do not consider edited screenshots and words pasted over an image to be artwork in need of crediting. Not when it's some Joe Blow behind his computer taking from something he didn't even have any part in making or producing. How do you guys feel about images taken from TV shows and movies like that? Do people have a right to declare ownership for all their hard, creative work when all they did to make it was click buttons and sharpen the colors a little bit?
Thread: Reposting and Image Ownership

I don't feel they need crediting either, to me it is no different to the old school pastime of scribbling moustaches and devil horns etc on photos in the newspaper, it might be fun it might have taken some time but it still doesn't make it your artwork or for that matter artwork in general. I see a correlation between this and sampling in music as well, I often cringe when I hear parts of an old song in a new usually rap song, often the only good thing about this new song is the old sampled parts. Not sure on Fandom ethics but I'm pretty sure the reason these people credit themselves is because they feel they have just done something rather unique and think people will want to know who they are and click on their websites etc to see more of their work. I don't consider it artwork either, it is just someone who thought it would be fun to alter a picture or footage to suit their own fantasy most times.
Thread: Reposting and Image Ownership

From what I gather within fair use laws, copyright belongs to the original copyright owner unless significant editing of the original work has taken place, this needs to be more than just a new background, text or animation, you pretty much need to not be able to tell the work came from somewhere else when side by side with the original. With the images on tumblr 99 would be in breach of copyright as they own practically nothing about the image. On the roleplay note there is never any claim of ownership that I have seen on used images.
Thread: Reposting and Image Ownership

This one struck a chord with me, since it is an age old debate in a similar community. I have been a pixel artist now since I was a young kid, having spent nearly a decade and a half in the hobby. The main issue is how the copyright laws work, and the variance on them within each country, and the ways in which they are defended. In most cases you would have to significantly alter an artwork to claim ownership over it. How much is significant has always been subject to debate and in north america subject to how deep your pockets are when defending your intellectual property. I could debate on this for hours, but I can understand where people are coming from. It can take effort to make something complex, even talent etc. etc. I can understand wanting credit instead of ownership. Where my understanding draws thin is on the quality of the work. In the spriting world, if you take a sonic sprite, change it's color, make one small change and say Original character, do not steal, do not redistribute, then I have less sympathy then when you say, make your own sonic styled sprites in a derivative method. Then I can understand wanting some sort of ownership and wanting to protect the work, and asking for it not to be redistributed. I have done that on projects in the past, and have watermarked things, and people would still decompile my works to steal the sprites. It happens, it's annoying, but it is the digital age.
Thread: Reposting and Image Ownership

Not to sound like a dick, but it kind of annoys me when people try to claim ownership of a screenshot or basic gifs. If you prettied them up and then someone is reposting it claiming in text or tagged that they made it, that's one thing. But for instance, on my RP blog on Tumblr, I'd use gifs for musescharacters, but sometimes I'd like for the gif to be simple and small, so I'd crop it andor shorten the length of the gif animation a bit. Even then, these people do not have rights to it. Best they can do it try to rile up a hatestorm from the Tumblr social justice warriors bandwagon. They're not better than the people 'stealing' their work. They're taking someone elses work, posting the lesser grade content somewhere online, and claiming it as theirs. So what if you take that gif, pull it into photoshop, change it up a bit, and then repost it to the same site calling it something of your own? I know so many people on Tumblr would be livid if they found out I did this to their gifs. And I guess it might also be elitist of me seeing as my major and work deals with the software that makes these things and really, it's not that big of a deal to me and if I made basic gifs and screen shots I really wouldn't care if other people used them and altered them. I know to some people they're doing some advanced editing work here, but in retrospect, they're not.
Thread: Reposting and Image Ownership

MsMuffintops said ... I know to some people they're doing some advanced editing work here , but in retrospect, they're not . Click to expand... Emphasis mine, as per usual. I am not here to argue away your sentiments, or to argue you out of your viewpoint, since that is childish and never works. However, what I do want to do, is try and draw out from this a question that hasn't really been discussed at this point in this thread. At what point does a piece break away from the intellectual property of one to another? When a person produces a GIF of a scene, essentially ripping frame by frame or a set limit of frames depending on the quality of the GIF being made then, to me, it is still the same. To me it is just the unlicensed reproduction of someone else's intellectual property, and is arguably against the law depending in the manner it is used, especially if you claim ownership over it. When a person takes such a GIF, and adds text to it, it is technically a derivative piece. Then the lines get further blurred. Traditionally in derivative pieces if enough of a difference has been made, one could argue that they would need to pay royalties, but would still have direct ownership of the piece in question. This doesn't happen with GIFs, because quite frankly, people will nbever care to pay for them, or defend them to that extent. However the precedence is still there in dealing with IP. So how much of a difference does one need? What bothers me with your viewpoint, MsMuffintops, is this how can you say it takes advanced editing, but then claim it doesn't but a line later. There are many ways to de-compile, re-imagine, and recompile GIFs, and I will not claim to know them all, or that I know them as well as you for you stated you had a background in it. However, during my first year in university, before I decided on my current program, I had taken a scene from a movie. For this scene, I had ripped frame by frame an action sequence using a program that came standard on our computers. From this I drew on top of it for a few thousand frames, before recompiling it into one GIF. It is a derivative piece from a movie, but had been completely redrawn into a different work, though it followed the same action. Which brings me back to the topic at hand. At what point does a work depart from one to another? This is a bit more advanced than what the original poster had probably intended, but as an artist that has dealt with the re-posting of work multiple times, it is one that is under-explored much too often. At what point does the disregard for the timeeffort put in actually begin to change to the respect of an artist's wishes? This obviously is excluding the super simple, or crappy things that are easily edited. Edit Fixed some spelling and syntactical issues, curse English being hard to type. Also, as an amendment, here is an example of where the lines begin to blur. videoyoutube
Thread: Reposting and Image Ownership

Yes, everything you said is what I feel. Slight misunderstanding on my part on what the intention of the quoted line meant! Glad to see we are on the same page. The ones you are feeling meh about are the ones I wouldn't even have to think to laugh at if someone claimed ownership on them. Like I said though, where the lines start to blur is when you get to more complex examples . Taking two pictures and splicing them together, probably not, but then, at what point has enough difference been done? Those are the topics that a lot of people that like to insult content makers tend to ignore, and one that I often find myself grappling with.
Thread: A Lesson That Wasn't Planned (Javorcek x ClearSight)

Alex was a good kid. Well, she had been a good kid when she was Tessas age anyways excellent marks in school, obeyed authority figures, was home by curfew, didnt drink etc. It blew her mind that Tessa would be behaving the way she was right now like a little brat, doing whatever the hell she please. Thoughshe supposed not all parents could be like her own. Alexs parents were both immigrants, refugees ontop of that. So the pressure to excel, to behave, to not disappoint, was very high when your parents had slept on dirt floors for years and fled a country full of political unrest, all in the name of giving their children a better life in America. So maybe, like many children and teens, Tessa suffered from bad parenting. And therefore Alex could not truly be mad at her because the girl was probably just acting out for attention. Any attention is good attention sometimeseven if its bad attention. While Tessa was correct that Alex knew very little about her, the young teacher was not blind or stupid. She had seen how Tessa acted around others and knew how the girl acted around herself. It was enough to form a comprehensive guide to Tessas Personality, though did leave the background stuff out of there. A more rational Alex would have been able to cope with all these intricacies in behavior better. But a drunken- Alex was easily annoyed Take one more picture and Ill throw the fuckin thing out the window. Yeah, good job not cursing around students. While not an angry drunk usually she was a horny, giggly, handsy drunk, Alex was prone to wanting to punchhitthrow things when annoyed while she was drunk. Now that she was separated from her friends, separated from the girl she was trying to pick up, and stuck with Tessashe was plenty irritated right now. She had just wanted to go out, have fun, and be irresponsible for one night in her lifebut she couldnt even do that. Maybe next weekened Without any other option than to get into the cab to ensure that Tessa got home, Alex clambered in with her drunken sway. Once she was sitting, she tried to judge how fucked up she was. The answer was preeetttyyyyyyyy fuccked up. Her face had a numb, tingly feeling that curled inwards and reached into her brain to make that vibrate too. And things kept movingthough she supposed that was because the cab was movingor was she moving? Maybe her eyes were moving The young teacher blinked, refrained from shaking her head for fear of getting the spins, and took a deep breath instead. She hated cab rides, it always felt like they went the longest way possible in order to run the meter. Delete the picture in the morning, please. Alex said after awhile, eyes forward, looking at the back of the cabbies bald head. She didnt want to turn her head to look at her student, whos brazenness and playful grin at such a serious time would only irk her. And then Alex didnt say much of anything else. She couldnt find anything nice to say, and knew that it would be better if she just kept her mouth shut for the duration of the cab ride
Thread: I Didn't Know You Had A Cock (Me & Faust56)

Her name was Azeala and she was a 55 demon with long white hair, pure black skin with white eyes. She weighed about 100lbs, her body was slender and she had palm sized breasts. She was sixteen years old and very innocent. On her head she had a pair of small horns growing from her temples that grew like rams horns, her ears were slightly pointed like an elfs ears. She had no pupils which creeped a lot of people out. She was a shy demon as well as innocent and very caring about the ones she loved. She however could turn in the blink of the eye and rip you apart. She would do whatever she could to protect her family which just happened to be her elder sister. Their parents had been slaughtered by angels when Azeala was only five years old and her sister had to raise her since then. Her sister was the only Mom that Azeala could ever remember. They lived in Scotland outside and old village inside an old forest in a rather nice log cabin like home. Azeala didnt have to go to school because she as a demon but she went anyways so she could learn to become a more powerful demon, it was something Satan, the King of hell wanted her to do. Her sister before her had gone to school as well, it was hidden deep in the forest where only demons and monsters could go. She came home one afternoon after class and shut the front door behind her and looked around the house. She knew her sister would be home in a matter of hours so she mad her way up stairs towards her bedroom. All she knew was her sister worked with humans in a hospital but she did, well she had no clue. She made her way inside her bedroom, threw her bag onto the floor and made her way into her bathroom. She made her way into the shower after she stripped of her clothes, she let out a sigh and opened her huge black wings and let the warm water rush over them, she had black feathers growing on her wings that made her look like a huge raven. She also had a pointed tail growing from the base of her spine but when in public she made sure it was hidden away. She was pretty good at making herself look more human when in the village. But she preferred to be with other demons so she spent most of her time in the woods. After a while she finished washing her body and made her way out of the bathroom after drying off, she put her pyjamas on and slipped into bed. She thought she would have a nap while she waited for her older sister, Azeala had been tired lately and she wasnt sure why. She soon had fallen fast asleep with her back to the door of her bedroom.
Thread: I Didn't Know You Had A Cock (Me & Faust56)

Shreyla was a powerful demon. Her eyes were light amber with black streaks crossing through them horizontally and her hair was dark purple that came to her jaw. She styled it to cover one of her eyes and frame her face on the other side. It gave her a seductive look. The purple was not her natural color. It was originally white like her sister's but she eventually changed it to differentiate herself from her sister, not that she needed it. Her lips were full but often went uncovered by lipstick. Her skin was dark like her sister's, a trait passed down by their mother. Her breasts were medium C and perky, a trait she often liked to flaunt in anything she wore. At least, this is how she looked when not disguised as a human. When incognito among the humans, she looked like a tan skinned woman with dark brown hair and light brown eyes. A bronze beauty. She made sure to keep her chest of course. Shreyle worked in a hospital in the nearest human city as a doctor. She possessed great detructive power, but she lacked in the way of healing and mental manipulation. She spent her time in the hospital working on her healing arts and attempting to manipulate the patients and staff when possible. Nothing too serious, however. To the demon and monster community, as well as her sister, she was a beast. But within, she was much kinder than people would believe. The day was over and she left the hospital and began her trek back home. She still wore her low cut dress and lab coat as she turned the corner of the hospital. The minute she was out of eye shot, two dark, bat like wings sprouted from her back. The coat and dress were special in the way that it allowed her to transform without ruining the clothing. She sprung into the air and began her quick flight home. When she arrived home, she entered loudly, flinging the door open and calling out to her sis. I'm home! Immediately after, her body burst into flames for an instant. The flames quickly subsided to reveal her true form, still dressed in her work clothes. She wasted no time in removing her coat and heading to the fridge for a drink. Her wings stretched wide as she began to relax.
Thread: I Didn't Know You Had A Cock (Me & Faust56)

Azeala groaned and woke up when her sister called her when she entered the house. She shifted in her bed and then got up and made her way down the stairs. Welcome back sister. She whispered and pulled her hoodie over her head. It had been her Birthday that day but she said nothing about it. She did not like to celebrate her Birthday since it was the same day her parents had been killed on. Did you have a good day at work? Azeala asked and cocked her head to the side. She grasped the fridge door and opened it, she grabbed a cherry soda and pulled it from the fridge. She opened the can and shut the door behind her. I got straight As on my report and magic test today. Azeala said pulling a paper from her pocket and handing it to her sister. There was something that Azeala did not know about though, her sister was a Futa which meant she had a cock which Azeala had never seen in her life. Azeala had become the age of when it was time to find a mate and get married but she had never showed any interest in men. She had never done and her sister would see this well before Azeala had joined the demon and monster school. Azeala had gone to human school up till it was time to go to high school, then she had switched to the demon one. She was unaware that her sister had not forgotten and never forgot about Azealas Birthday. Azeala had never wanted to celebrate it because of the deaths of their parents but it was her sweet sixteen which meant that Azeala had come of age. Professor Denok said for me to tell you that I should be graduating, the youngest in my class. Most of my class is being held back because of poor marks and lack of skill. Azeala said. The girl had always been the brightest of her age, she was very good at school and using magic. I wish Mom and Dad could have seen this report. Azeala said as she let her sister have it, she then sat down in a kitchen char by the table. You dont have to make me dinner, I already ate at school. Azeala said and yawned. I was asleep, you woke me up but its alright. I am so glad that your back, its boring with you out in the house. She said. Azeala however could not change her body as well as her sister so her skin always came out black. She moved and grabbed some pizza and handed it to her sister before she stood up and headed into the living room. Want to watch some TV or should I just go to bed? Azeala asked forgetting even that it was her Brithday. What was her sister going to do or would she have forgotten about Azealas birthday as well. Azeala leaned back in the couch and flipped on the TV and began to scan through the different channels.
Thread: I Didn't Know You Had A Cock (Me & Faust56)

Shreyla took the slice of pizza and watched her sister closely. She wondered if she had even remembered her own birthday. It wasn't clear at first glance. She took a bite into her pizza and looked over the grades. It was impressive. She herself had done well in school, but she was older at the time. Her sister was powerful, maybe even more than her older sister some day. Good job, Azeala. I am sure those other kids were very jealous of this. She waved the paper in the air when she spoke. She eventually finished her pizza and drink and joined her sister on the couch. She sifted uncomfortably in her dress as she crossed her leg over the other. She was feminine in all senses, but the secret addition she had between her legs was her own secret, one she also chose not to hide when she transformed from demon to human. Watch some TV with me, you can go to bed when you get tired again. She shifted uncomfortably again before realizing what was wrong. Oh! Duh! She looked up at her bare forehead and focused for a moment. Her horns materialized. She had forgotten about them. They jutted from her forehead but made a quick turn around and curved back over her head. Much different from her sister's. Shreyla watched TV for a while and thought. She didn't have a gift for Azeala. She knew this day was a tender time for her because of their parents. However, being that it was her sweet 16, she had to face facts and start growing up. It was time to find a mate and her timid nature was not getting her anywhere in that department. Shreyla's condition prevented her from having her own kids. At the age of 24, she would be expected to have a child by now, but it was not so. Lord Satan knew of her condition and agreed to let her slide, provided she help out her demon brothers more than other would be expected to. This included her sister. She finally spoke up, Azeala... who have you considered for your mate? She was blunt, but it's who she was. She knew her sister was innocent when it came to her body the like, but she needed to continue their family line. Mother and Father would want you to find someone strong to carry on our blood. Have you even begun looking? She tried not to sound too harsh, but this is a talk she had with her sister several times before. It was time to be stern.