[09:20] Hi [09:20] what replace icedtea-plugin which is deprecated ? [15:14] eoli3n: Looks like there was a stable release two months ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icedtea [15:48] vorlon: We've discovered that cloud-init opens its log on xenial with the encoding set to ANSI_X3.4-1968 (presumably because we're opening it quite early in boot; it is opened as UTF-8 later in boot); this means that we will silently discard log lines that have characters that couldn't be encoded in *checks notes* 1968. Can you think of any reason for us not to just open the log file in UTF-8 (i.e. [15:48] https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/427)? [15:49] I can't think of any reason, but locales/encoding in the first stages of boot always make me nervous. :p [15:54] I'm pretty sure I've been maintaining xenial since at least 1968 [15:54] maybe it just feels like it === ijohnson is now known as ijohnson|lunch === ijohnson|lunch is now known as ijohnson [18:58] juliank: around? (probably not, but here it goes anyway). I'm debugging a update-notifier message on trusty: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xKstpcx9WT/ [18:58] # now check for security updates that are masked by a [18:58] # canidate version from another repo (-proposed or -updates) [18:59] ^that is probably doing something incorrectly wrt esm security updates when esm is disabled [19:22] juliank: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1883315 [19:22] Launchpad bug 1883315 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "Showing esm update as installable when esm is disabled" [Undecided,New] [19:25] Odd_Bloke: I see no reason not to open it in utf8, no [19:31] vorlon: Thanks!