[01:39] <callmepk> good morning
[01:43] <duflu> Hi callmepk 
[01:43] <callmepk> hi duflu
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[06:13] <didrocks> good morning
[06:18] <duflu> Hi didrocks 
[06:21] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[07:18] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:21] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[07:22] <oSoMoN> didrocks, bien, et toi?
[07:26] <didrocks> ça va :)
[07:26] <didrocks> publication du deuxième blog sur ZFS, on verra les réactions :)
[07:26] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN 
[07:27] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[07:38] <jamesh> tkamppeter: did my reply on the forum help in understanding the permission issue?
[08:00] <pieq> Hello guys!
[08:01] <duflu> Hi again pieq 
[08:01] <pieq> Is the "Fractional Scaling" option in the Displays settings only for X11 or also for Wayland? I just finished upgrading my desktop from 18.04 to 20.04, but in Wayland, I only have 100% 200% 300% 400% and if I activate fractional scaling, nothing changes
[08:01] <pieq> (I mean I still don't have 125% 150% 175%)
[08:03] <pieq> if I re-log in X11, though, I can see the different fractional scaling options
[08:04] <Laney> moin
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney 
[08:06] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:06] <duflu> pieq, that's bug 1871864
[08:06] <ubot5> bug 1871864 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Toggle "Fractional Scaling" does nothing on wayland" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1871864
[08:07] <duflu> For future reference it might help to bookmark: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=xrandr-scaling
[08:08] <duflu> There is a hidden setting to get it for Wayland. Only the GUI forgot to support it
[08:13] <Laney> hey duflu and didrocks 
[08:13] <pieq> duflu, thanks a lot! I thought it was the opposite: I thought by default Wayland would support fractional scaling, whereas on X11 you had to activate something.
[08:14] <pieq> Does it mean you have the same potential performance issues in Wayland when activating it?
[08:14] <pieq> duflu, (also, sorry for turning you into a "Let me Launchpad search it for you"!)
[08:16] <pieq> ah, Trevinho answered my question in comment 9: "In such case the warning text wouldn't be correct though..."
[08:19] <pieq> ... but then duflu refuted the comment in comment 11, ahah
[08:19] <duflu> pieq, while I do suspect Wayland fractional scaling has some performance problems, and I only started to discuss that with upstream this week, Wayland shouldn't have the indirect rendering issues, so maybe has less pixels to fill and definitely doesn't tear like X11
[08:20] <duflu> So performance problems all round but I think less so in Wayland
[08:21] <Laney> moin didrocks duflu pieq 
[08:35] <oSoMoN> salut pieq 
[08:35] <oSoMoN> morning Laney 
[08:40] <Laney> hey oSoMoN 
[08:42] <Laney> anyone know what happened to the bionic image builds?
[08:42] <Laney> e.g. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/481408657/buildlog_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:42] <Laney> tjaalton: ^-?
[08:42] <tjaalton> no idea, libvulkan didn't change
[08:42] <tjaalton> by me at least
[08:43] <tjaalton> mesa did though
[08:44] <duflu> Oh Mesa 20.0.7 ❤️
[08:45] <tjaalton> in groovy yes
[08:45] <Laney> looks like you gained a new dependency on libvulkan1 which is in universe
[08:45] <Laney> so that needs sorting out one way or another
[08:46] <duflu> tjaalton, if you happen to revise it maybe mention LP: #1868520
[08:46] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1868520 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Wayland apps fail to run with zwp_linux_dmabuf error (failed to import supplied dmabufs: Unsupported buffer format 808669784 [DRM_FORMAT_XRGB2101010]) (or 808665665 [DRM_FORMAT_ABGR2101010])" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1868520
[08:47] <tjaalton> bionic-proposed has 20.0.4, like focal
[08:47] <tjaalton> waiting for the last release of the series before bumping it
[08:53] <tjaalton> either need to drop zink (opengl over vulkan) or move libvulkan1 to main as in focal
[08:53] <pieq> duflu, ok thanks for the clarification
[09:00] <tjaalton> Laney: ^ which one is better?
[09:01] <Laney> tjaalton: I don't know what zink is
[09:01] <tjaalton> Laney: a new dri driver
[09:01] <Laney> but just looking at the package I can see that libvulkan1 comes from a different source in bionic
[09:02] <tjaalton> vulkan-loader, yes
[09:02] <Laney> so you'd need to convince an archive admin that the MIR would apply
[09:03] <Laney> but if providing that driver is desirable for HWE purposes then doing the promotion sounds best
[09:06] <tjaalton> hwe doesn't need i
[09:06] <tjaalton> it
[09:08] <duflu> OpenGL over vulkan sounds like a big step to make and will result in regressions somewhere in someone's games... Maybe wait for it to mature for some years first
[09:08] <duflu> Although you could argue that's what doing it now is, relative to 22.04 LTS
[09:09] <tjaalton> you need MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=zink to use it
[09:13] <tjaalton> Laney: dropped zink, and uploaded
[09:15] <Laney> nice one
[09:16] <Laney> be good if you could bug someone to accept that to get working image builds
[09:43] <tjaalton> poked sil2100 
[09:44] <Laney> 👍
[09:54] <marcustomlinson> Hey desktoppers
[09:56] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson 
[09:56] <didrocks> morning marcustomlinson, feeling a little bit better?
[09:57] <marcustomlinson> Hey I would “\o”, but I don’t wanna throw my back out :P
[09:57] <marcustomlinson> Yeah better thanks, though had to take an ibuprofen
[09:57] <didrocks> don’t take any risks :p
[09:59] <marcustomlinson> (My wife still has some extra strength stuff from the hospital)
[09:59] <marcustomlinson> I may pass out haha
[10:00] <tkamppeter> jamesh, yes, thank you very much.
[10:05] <jibel> does anyone have a recipe that works to convert a bzr repo to git on focal+ ? When I try what I found I get 
[10:05] <jibel> $ bzr fast-export --plain . | git fast-import
[10:05] <jibel> brz: ERROR: unknown command "fast-export"
[10:06] <jibel> I've python2 installed and fast-import plugins too
[10:07]  * didrocks has no idea, I used that in the past
[10:14] <Laney> iirc rbalint is the recent migration guru ^-
[10:31] <jamesh> jibel: the fastimport plugin is distributed with breezy now
[10:31] <jamesh> jibel: do you happen to have anything in ~/.bazaar/plugins by any chance?
[11:22] <oSoMoN> jibel, when I toyed with it back in Frankfurt, I did it in a bionic chroot
[11:22] <rbalint> jibel, on that focal does not work, but i'm happy to convert repos for you
[11:23] <rbalint> jibel, the latest conversion, with explanation an links https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/ubuntu-archive-tools/bzr-to-git/+merge/384436
[11:47] <jibel> thanks all for your replies. indeed I used to do it on bionic. I'll do it in a chroot then
[12:10] <Laney> oh YEAH @ converting ubuntu-archive-tools
[12:10] <Laney> i've got some super long lived local modifications there and they're really annoying to deal with
[12:11] <Laney> git pull --rebase here we come
[13:30] <kenvandine> meeting time
[13:31] <kenvandine> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-05-26
[13:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 26 13:31:00 2020 UTC.  The chair is kenvandine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:31] <kenvandine> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out), Wimpress (out), hellsworth
[13:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> o/
[13:31] <didrocks> hey kenvandine 
[13:31] <hellsworth> o.
[13:31] <jibel> hi
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:32] <kenvandine> hope everyone is doing well
[13:32] <kenvandine> #topic rls-dd-bugs
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[13:33] <kenvandine> dd-incoming is clear
[13:33] <kenvandine> tracking is all assigned
[13:33] <Laney> disco is dead!
[13:34] <kenvandine> whoops :)
[13:34] <oSoMoN> nostalgia…
[13:34] <kenvandine> i meant gg
[13:34] <kenvandine> :)
[13:34]  * Trevinho puts the shirt on
[13:35] <kenvandine> damn... 
[13:35] <kenvandine> #topic rls-gg-bugs
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[13:35]  * marcustomlinson is already wearing the shirt :)
[13:36] <kenvandine> bug 1880564
[13:36] <ubot5> bug 1880564 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-drivers-common now pulls in build tools on end-user systems" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880564
[13:37] <kenvandine> should this be assigned to foundations?
[13:37] <didrocks> +1
[13:38] <didrocks> or tseliot as he was the one triggering the issue
[13:38] <kenvandine> ah, probably tseliot 
[13:38] <didrocks> as I think he has better context than us on why this change was done :)
[13:39] <tseliot> kenvandine, yes, I added that dependency, hoping not to break the current code (which relies on it)
[13:41] <kenvandine> ok, moving on
[13:41] <kenvandine> we have some bugs already assigned still on incoming list
[13:42] <kenvandine> oh
[13:42] <kenvandine> champagne
[13:42] <kenvandine> #topic rls-ff-bugs
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[13:44] <kenvandine> a couple of incompletes on the ff-incoming, looks like there is activity there
[13:46] <kenvandine> bug 1874091
[13:46] <ubot5> bug 1874091 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Focal) "ubuntu-release-upgrader should use ubuntu-drivers and migrate people from nvidia-dkms to l-r-m" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874091
[13:47] <kenvandine> anyone know what's up with that?  who is looking after it?
[13:49] <Laney> Looks like Foundations accepted it
[13:49] <kenvandine> but not assigned 
[13:50] <kenvandine> i guess we can just trust they are watching it
[13:50] <kenvandine> moving on
[13:51] <marcustomlinson> ff-incoming had some unassigned no?
[13:51] <marcustomlinson> oh just one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1876641
[13:51] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1876641 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell leaks hundreds of megabytes when the dock option 'show-trash' is enabled." [High,Triaged]
[13:52] <kenvandine> I wonder if that should be incomplete while waiting for a response
[13:52] <kenvandine> Trevinho: ^^
[13:53] <marcustomlinson> the question at the end is to see if that particular user is experiencing a different bug
[13:53] <Laney> I don't particularly see how that would be release critical in any event
[13:53] <Laney> If it were bringing peoples systems down, maybe, but that doesn't seem to be the case
[13:54] <Laney> isn't that a non default setting too? (show-trash=true)
[13:54] <Laney> so yeah notfixing imho
[13:54] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:56] <kenvandine> #topic rls-ee-bugs
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[13:56] <kenvandine> nothing new there
[13:56] <kenvandine> tracking and incoming
[13:56] <kenvandine> #topic rls-bb-bugs
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[13:57] <kenvandine> nothing for desktop on incoming
[13:57] <kenvandine> everything's assigned under tracking
[13:58] <kenvandine> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
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[13:58] <kenvandine> Laney: ^^
[13:58] <Laney> sorry, I have to apologise
[13:58] <Laney> I didn't realise seb128 was off and I've not looked at the page
[13:58] <kenvandine> me either
[13:59] <Laney> appstream was one we said we'd demote though, so we can probably clear that off the list at least
[13:59] <Laney> (appstream-doc)
[13:59] <Laney> didrocks: can you help us there maybe?
[13:59] <Laney> otherwise, I'll try to take a look later and ping people
[14:00] <kenvandine> ok, thanks
[14:01] <kenvandine> #topic aob
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[14:01] <Trevinho> sorry I had to run away a moment, as per the dock bug yeah... Not fix. I've looked a bit, but it's not default so, not rls
[14:02] <Laney> no OB here
[14:03] <kenvandine> i should apologize for not posting on the team updates page... with the 4 day weekend i forgot to do that on Thursday and now I can't remember what I did last week :)
[14:03] <kenvandine> a few USN refreshes... and i promoted snap-store in ubuntu-20.* with a bunch of bug fixes
[14:04] <kenvandine> sorry folks :)
[14:04] <kenvandine> if not OB
[14:04] <kenvandine> #endmeeting
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[14:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 26 14:04:18 2020 UTC.  
[14:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-05-26-13.31.moin.txt
[14:04] <hellsworth> thanks
[14:04] <marcustomlinson> ah had one. for all those who suffered my email spam, there is light at the end of the tunnel :P https://tinyurl.com/ybuau5bv
[14:05] <hellsworth> this is a very interesting graphic
[14:06] <didrocks> thanks :)
[14:06] <hellsworth> how is this graph made didrocks ?
[14:06] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: this is duflu's making
[14:06] <hellsworth> also could someone please restart this autopkgtest for me: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=arm64&package=netplan.io&trigger=network-manager%2F1.24.0-1ubuntu2
[14:07] <didrocks> yeah, it’s duflu
[14:07] <hellsworth> ah ok
[14:07] <hellsworth> it's very fancy
[14:07] <didrocks> Laney: I will give it a look
[14:07] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, made by duflu by regularly poking at the LP API for bug counts
[14:07] <hellsworth> i love how i can hover over any line for more info
[14:07] <didrocks> (can do it tomorrow morning if that’s fine? Still have the MIR meeting and want to finish some ZSys GC tests first)
[14:08] <Laney> didrocks: ok, set a reminder :p
[14:08] <didrocks> Laney: even better, that + a tab if it’s not closed until then, we should be good :)
[14:13] <hellsworth> kenvandine: could you please restart this autopkgtest for me: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=arm64&package=netplan.io&trigger=network-manager%2F1.24.0-1ubuntu2
[14:13] <kenvandine> hellsworth: sure
[14:13] <hellsworth> thanks
[14:13] <kenvandine> hellsworth: done
[14:13] <hellsworth> much appreciated
[15:18] <hellsworth> kenvandine: would you please launch these LO 6.4.4 autopkgtests: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sXjnjjHHjk/
[15:19] <hellsworth> and now i'll stop pinging you for more test launches  (for now) :)
[15:28] <hellsworth> hmm maybe kenvandine is busy... marcustomlinson would you mind launching these then? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sXjnjjHHjk/
[15:29] <kenvandine> hellsworth: sorry, i missed that
[15:29] <kenvandine> will do
[15:30] <hellsworth> np and thanks :)
[15:30] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: sorry just saw this
[15:30] <hellsworth> i feel like a beggar on the autopkgtest streets..
[15:30] <kenvandine> i've got it
[15:30] <marcustomlinson> thx
[15:31] <kenvandine> hellsworth: done
[15:31] <hellsworth> thanks!
[16:04] <luna_> any meeting tonight?
[16:05] <Laney> it was 2.5 hours ago :(
[16:05] <luna_> Laney: ah to late as usual, any log?
[16:06] <Laney> luna_: yeah it'll be on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[16:06] <luna_> just got done translating 200 strings into Swedish during the first day of the Debian May Online Hackathon
[16:06] <Laney> not very interesting I fear
[16:06] <luna_> Laney: cool thanks :) will check it out in a couple of minutes
[16:07] <Laney> fantastisk!
[16:09] <luna_> for Skolelinux, Blueman, Firefox, Thunderbird and Seamonkey
[16:22] <luna_> Laney: read it now, thanks :)
[19:34] <KGB-2> mutter debian/master Marco Trevisan * [merge] merge request !64: Add backend-x11-Reintroduce-XInitThreads.patch * https://deb.li/3EytF
[19:34] <KGB-2> mutter Marco Trevisan 168393 * commented merge request !64 * https://deb.li/E257