[05:05] morning all [05:22] Morning jibel [05:47] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/05/19/heres-why-ubuntu-linux-2004-feels-insanely-fast-and-responsive/ [05:47] “the brilliant Van Vugt” [05:48] morning duflu :) [05:48] Morning marcustomlinson [05:48] Ugh, that's an overstatement and will attract haters at some point. I won't read it [05:48] and morning jibel [05:49] duflu: haters gonna hate. No, it’s a great story. Praise well deserved [05:50] morning seb128 [05:50] Oh let me try that again [05:50] morning seb128 [05:51] hey marcustomlinson, how are you? [05:51] tired... up too early and can’t get back to sleep [05:51] but doing alright really :) you? [05:53] hi marcustomlinson [06:10] lut jibel, comment ça va aujourd'hui ? [06:11] marcustomlinson, I'm fine thanks [06:14] salut seb128, ça va bien, merci. [06:20] seb128, would you have time to look at and merge this? https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/-/merge_requests/63 [06:23] good morning desktoppers [06:24] Hi oSoMoN [06:24] hey duflu [06:42] morning oSoMoN [06:44] hey marcustomlinson [06:44] good morning marcustomlinson, oSoMoN [06:44] hey didrocks [06:44] salut didrocks [06:49] duflu, adding to my todolist for today if Trevinho doesn't bet me to it [06:49] lyt oSoMoN didrocks, en forme ? [06:52] salut seb128, ça va, et toi? [06:54] oSoMoN, ça va bien :) [06:54] salut seb128, mi réveillé, mais ok :) [08:07] heh I moined in another channel this morning [08:07] wondered why it was so quiet [08:11] hey Laney, how are you today? [08:19] Morning Laney [08:19] moin seb128 duflu [08:19] yeah I'm doing ok, have been enjoying the sun this morning [08:19] hope it's going well there! [08:21] hey Laney [08:22] it its, sunny day ahead as well :) [08:22] hey Laney [08:31] mutter Iain Lane 166349 * commented merge request !63 * https://deb.li/3dSVI [08:31] hey marcustomlinson & didrocks! [08:43] hey Laney [08:44] guten morgen der oSoMoN === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [08:50] Laney, I'm very busy with another mutter regression. If you're able to cherry pick that fix in the mean time then please do [08:51] I'll see how I get on, might want a break from britney at some point later [08:58] Laney, useful comment, I might try those steps next time I do a cherry pick [08:59] we really need a wrapper around common actions though [09:00] let's not get into a discussion about git workflows [09:09] just wanted to share how to do it with what we have atm [09:09] Laney, I don't want to get into a discussion, don't worry, it's just that if we want people to do things in a specific way we need to think on how to make it easy for them [09:10] sure, then it's work that needs to be scheduled [09:10] which was what I meant by ' we really need a wrapper around common actions though' [09:10] agreed === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [09:15] hi, a focal "apt upgrade" just took down my Desktop - yet I fail to find a root cause [09:15] any recommendations where to stare at? [09:15] Without some clue I won't even be able to file a good bug report [09:15] cpaelzer, bug #1871538 ? [09:15] bug 1871538 in dbus (Ubuntu Focal) "dbus timeout-ed during an upgrade, taking services down including gdm" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1871538 [09:15] cpaelzer, could be fixed with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/0.6.55-0ubuntu12~20.04.1 also maybe [09:16] well, this old bug is MY bug [09:16] it didn't appear to me at first, but let me check if it happened again [09:16] cpaelzer, we really need foundations to fix bug #1870060 so we get apport data for those issues [09:16] bug 1870060 in apport (Ubuntu Focal) "systemd ProtectSystem/mount namespace makes apport fail (impact most of our default system services)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1870060 [09:19] I have 3 crash files again, but that are apps dying when the shell recycles [09:19] oh and gnome now complains I have no network manager [09:19] maybe I need to look for that [09:20] yeah that was around the time things broke down [09:24] seb128: yeah it is the same issue [09:24] I have updated the bug [09:24] but no new insights, just confirmation that it happened again and seems to be the same one [09:29] cpaelzer, you can maybe nag foundations to get them to prioritize fixing apport, it would perhaps help to get a clue [09:30] cpaelzer, but otherwise I've no clue atm how to debug those issues :/ [09:31] yeah me neither [09:31] except that I probably need to be more careful about my updates [09:45] cpaelzer, thanks for the comment/ping on the apport issue [09:53] cpaelzer__, please also upvote the bug :) === ergiusenss is now known as sergiusens [10:59] jibel, could you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1877727 ? it claims that the power saving mode doesn't work when the drivers are installed from ubiquity but works when they are installed post installation from the desktop [10:59] Ubuntu bug 1877727 in nvidia-prime (Ubuntu) "Nvidia dGPU active despite prime-select set to Intel card" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:59] tseliot, ^ [11:00] duflu: done as well === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [11:03] seb128, the user said he had to manually install the nvidia-dkms-440 package. I wonder if he got the linux-restricted-modules instead [11:04] tseliot, that's the intend? [11:05] seb128, the l-r-m should be the default. I wonder if he ran into LP: #1875339 [11:05] Launchpad bug 1875339 in Ubuntu Drivers Common "xorg does not use nvidia gpu on a I+N machine." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1875339 [11:06] seb128, and he's getting the old ubuntu-drivers-common from the image, vs the new one in the archive [11:08] that's expected, we don't live update the iso right? [11:09] tseliot, thanks, maybe you can comment on the bug? hopefully if that's the new ubuntu-drivers which is needed then it will be fixed in .1 when we respin [11:09] seb128, sure [11:09] thx [11:41] * duflu falls off chair [11:52] hello desktopers [11:52] could someone sponsor this to the bionic/queue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/1874127 [11:52] Ubuntu bug 1874127 in vala (Ubuntu Bionic) "[SRU] Update to vala 0.40.23 in bionic" [Low,New] [12:02] hey ricotz === alan_g is now known as alan_g_ [12:08] ricotz, hey, I add that to my todolist for the afternoon [12:14] oSoMoN, seb128, hey [12:14] seb128, thx [12:27] mwhudson, hey, bug #1876942 hasn't been ack'd yet, is it on your radar? [12:27] bug 1876942 in rustc (Ubuntu Focal) "rustc 1.43 and cargo 0.44 required by firefox 78" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1876942 [13:31] seb128, I'm looking at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/focal/update_excuses.html#adwaita-icon-theme, the gtk+3.0 test failures are the same that were affecting gtk+3.0 3.24.18-1ubuntu1 on groovy, and passed with 3.24.20-1ubuntu1 [13:32] I haven't looked at the differences in gtk+3.0 yet, do we need the update in focal, or is a packaging change enough? [13:33] oSoMoN, bah, it's a regression in the SRU, sorry for not catching that one [13:33] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/479397571/adwaita-icon-theme_3.36.0-1ubuntu1_3.36.1-2ubuntu0.20.04.1.diff.gz [13:33] - librsvg2-common, [13:33] removed from the Depends [13:33] +Recommends: librsvg2-common [13:34] autopkgtest don't install recommends I guess? [13:35] oSoMoN, I usually do simply the update for a SRU and let unrelated packaging changes out to avoid such issues... [13:37] oSoMoN, I think I would go the revert way and put it back as a depends, safer for a stable serie [13:38] seb128, agreed, and don't be sorry, I'm the one to blame, I did the SRU without actually testing [13:39] I'll push the changes to the ubuntu/focal branch, and then you can sponsor it, if you don't mind [13:39] wfm, thank you [13:40] and don't worry, it's not an obvious breakage, I don't think most people do throw their updates to an autopkgtest local instance before upload [14:03] adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal f203171 Olivier Tilloy debian/ changelog control control.in * Restore librsvg2-common as a Depends * https://deb.li/3AHu1 [14:03] adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal 8832797 Olivier Tilloy debian/changelog * releasing package adwaita-icon-theme version 3.36.1-2ubuntu0.20.04.2 * https://deb.li/FDKh [14:03] adwaita-icon-theme tags 8832797 Olivier Tilloy ubuntu/3.36.1-2ubuntu0.20.04.2 * https://deb.li/3dvac [14:04] seb128, ^ ready for sponsoring [14:04] oSoMoN, thanks [14:04] * oSoMoN likes KGB-0 [14:04] :-) [14:13] why do we need to do that? [14:14] Laney, 'that'? [14:14] shouldn't we rather backport the fix I did in groovy? [14:15] the adwaita-icon-theme change [14:15] (the most recent thing in this channel) [14:15] it changes the dependency chain, I've no idea what impact it could have on other flavors, desktops, components and I've no confidence it's not going to bite someone [14:15] so just me having a personal preference for the safest path [14:15] but if someone wants to go another road feel free [14:17] Laney, I was about the sponsor that ^ but let me know if you want to try your solution, I'm happy to step out [14:17] I don't really want raising issues to mean that I hve to sign up to do the work [14:18] so feel free to carry on with your approach [14:18] it doesn't mean that [14:18] I was offering you to do what you suggest if you care enough to go ahead [14:18] ok, I thought that "you" there did indeed mean that [14:19] I don't feel comfortable myself going down the road of carrying a depends change in a SRU [14:19] some flavors don't install recommends by default and I didn't do enough checking to feel good about it [14:19] ok [14:19] I think avoiding a depends change is sensible [14:19] IMO the ubuntu2 change should be taken too though [14:20] oSoMoN, ^ want to iterate to include that one? [14:20] if we want the loader in groovy always then I'd say it should be seeded [14:21] no big opinion there atm [14:23] right [14:27] let me check that ubuntu2 change [14:29] Laney, I'm not sure I fully understand the change, but I'm happy to trust you on this [14:31] seb128, any objection to me rewriting the history of the ubuntu/focal branch and force-pushing to insert that change before the release commit? [14:32] The upstream build system generates PNGs from the SVGs, but we were not shipping those in the right package [14:32] oSoMoN, no objection [14:32] * Laney twitches [14:42] Laney, the "we don't pull in an SVG loader any more" part of the changelog was referring to the demotion of librsvg2-common to a Recommends, right? [14:43] yus [14:44] oSoMoN: I guess for SRUing it'd be something like "The demotion of librsvg2-common to Recommends in Groovy exposed the fact that we were mistakenly not including .png versions of our .svg icons in the adwait-icon-theme package. These are faster to load, so they should be included here." [14:46] thanks [14:50] adwaita-icon-theme tags 8832797 Olivier Tilloy ubuntu/3.36.1-2ubuntu0.20.04.2 * tag deleted [14:51] adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal ce45dac Iain Lane debian/rules * rules: Put the PNGs generated by gtk-encode-symbolic-svg in a-i-t * https://deb.li/VIzx [14:51] adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal 03be084 Olivier Tilloy debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/3NuUE [14:51] adwaita-icon-theme ubuntu/focal 3005bbb Olivier Tilloy debian/changelog * releasing package adwaita-icon-theme version 3.36.1-2ubuntu0.20.04.2 * https://deb.li/RuR4 [14:51] adwaita-icon-theme tags 3005bbb Olivier Tilloy ubuntu/3.36.1-2ubuntu0.20.04.2 * https://deb.li/3dvac [14:51] seb128, ^ now that should be ready for sponsoring [14:51] oSoMoN, k [14:54] seb128, unrelated: I've looked at bug #1878553, and as suggested in the description, this is really an old bug (bug #1434579) [14:54] bug 1878553 in software-properties (Ubuntu Groovy) "Ubuntu could not install Virtualbox Guest addons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1878553 [14:54] bug 1434579 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "Unable to install VirtualBox Guest Service in 15.04" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434579 [14:55] so I think it should be marked as duplicate, and that raises the question: do we still commit to fixing it [14:55] (given that it's been around for at least 5 years, now in 3 LTSes) [15:02] oSoMoN, adwaita uploaded, it's not impossible that the SRU team bounce it back now because you have a change which isn't linked to a bug report nor having a testcase, but I will you deal with them :) [15:03] ack, I'll blame Laney then :) [15:03] oSoMoN, @software-properties, it's not a key feature so was not a priority, probably even less so if it's old, would still be nice to fix [15:03] unsure if the other bug is the same though [15:03] seems like they had ubuntu-drivers issues [15:03] on a focal issue doing 'ubuntu-driver install' works for me though [15:05] I haven't yet looked into that other bug, the symptom is similar for the intel wireless driver, so the two issues might have something in common, but I would keep the two bug reports separate anyway [15:05] seb128, do we agree that #1878553 should be made a duplicate of #1434579 ? [15:06] (regardless of whether it's fixable) [15:07] oSoMoN, I don't like duplicating new clean reports from old ones that covered other problems resolved, it makes reading the bug more confusing [15:07] but that's personal taste [15:07] I would rather close the old one and state we are using the clean report for the issue still existing [15:15] ok, I can do that [15:18] good morning desktopers [15:19] * Laney comes with no warranty, either expressed or implied [15:19] moin hellsworth [15:19] o/ Laney [15:20] what up [15:21] hmm not much. need to test libreoffice 6.4.4 today and look at network manager stuff [15:21] also last night i butchered my thumb cutting eggplant [15:21] sliced the tip off [15:21] good thing it's not a typing finger [15:22] URGH [15:22] guess it's an accident prone household :) [15:22] how are things over there Laney ? [15:22] well [15:22] work-wise britney is making me a bit annoyed, that's going slower than I might have liked [15:22] but still making progress I guess [15:22] in the real world it's super warm and sunny and we had lunch outsid [15:22] e [15:23] 79F! [15:23] isn't britney part of laniakea? [15:23] yeah today here it will be similar.. somewhere in the low 80s [15:24] ximion integrated a load of those debian tools I guess [15:24] oh maybe it's standalone and used with the debian build system.. i know matthias told me all about it once :) [15:24] \me waves to ximion [15:24] ha [15:24] but we use it too [15:24] heh [15:24] * hellsworth waves to ximion [15:24] also he's not in here :p [15:24] at least according to my tab completion [15:24] oh yeah you're right [15:24] i have not had coffee yet.. [15:25] it's on the upper end of the nicknames i'm willing to type out [15:25] he was a pleasure to work with at purism.. [15:25] Olivier's is on the wrong side of that [15:25] yeah i would agree with that [15:25] hahaha [15:25] but you took the time to type out Olivier's name rather than oS [15:26] ah man [15:26] good morning hellsworth. Did you use autotomy to distract the eggplant that was attacking you? [15:26] * Laney scrambles for a rationalisation [15:26] I... didn't want to hilight him! [15:26] lol [15:26] he came anyways :) [15:27] Laney, well done, I read the whole conversation without even being highlighted :) [15:27] oSoMoN: no i didn't haha...i just dropped the knife and yelled an explitave while i applied pressure above my head [15:27] i really need to get a knife sharpener.. [15:42] who's the best person to ping for ubuntu core questions when running in a vm? [15:43] ogra: is that you? [15:45] basically the problem is that if i follow the instructions here https://ubuntu.com/download/kvm then when i launch the kvm window, it kind of goes into a continual reboot. (same happens if i boot the image in virt-manager rather than all cli) [15:48] hellsworth: maybe ogra ? [15:49] ok cool thanks :) [16:36] hellsworth, yeah, probably me [16:36] hey hi ogra :) [16:39] so https://ubuntu.com/download/kvm says to launch kvm with a command that i happily copy/paste and it brings up a window.. looks like grub.. then it boots but how do i *get into it* [16:39] i get this screen https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RjqlnmiSB0M74qJK6BqLZMMNvABEGtZp/view?usp=sharing (hopefully you can see this) [16:40] and then it reboots after a bit [16:40] hellsworth, sudo snap install --edge qemu-virgil ... sudo snap connect qemu-virgil:kvm [16:40] maybe use https://github.com/wimpysworld/quickemu/ [16:40] i'm not sure how well the GLES support in kvm/qemu from the archive works nowadays [16:40] i've found it super handy [16:41] yeah, that uses qemu-virgil as stage snap :) [16:41] quickemu uses qemu-virgil [16:41] yeah [16:41] oh, no, thats not the one i meant ... there was actually a snap that used qemu-virgil as backend [16:43] k i've instlled it and running the UC18 image with the command on https://snapcraft.io/qemu-virgil [16:43] the text is dark blue on black... [16:43] https://github.com/popey/sosumi-snap ... that was the one i meant ... totally mixed them up ... [16:43] i can't quite make it out [16:44] hmm ok.. [16:44] well, theer are no color options in qemu ... what colors would you like instead of blue on black ? :) [16:45] haha maybe something in the white hue... [16:45] gimme a sec i can give you the command i'm currently using .... need to re-locate [16:45] installing sosumi now.. [16:46] try quickemu :) [16:46] * kenvandine tries [16:46] hahah [16:46] install all the things! [16:46] hellsworth, qemu-virgil -enable-kvm -m 4096 -smp 2 -device virtio-vga,virgl=on -display sdl,gl=on -netdev user,id=ethernet.0,hostfwd=tcp::10022-:22,hostfwd=tcp::8000-:8000 -device rtl8139,netdev=ethernet.0 -audiodev pa,id=pa1,server=/run/user/1000/pulse/native ubuntu-core-18-amd64.img [16:47] it's been working great for me [16:47] i haven't used it for core though [16:47] but it makes it super simple to run VMs [16:47] the last option is indeed a full path if you dont have the image in your current PWD [16:47] i use it for core all the time [16:48] i'm a virt-manager girl [16:48] crazy stuff ! === SmellyCoon changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: [16:48] qemu command line is less than intuitive so virt-manager has worked well for me [16:49] yeah ogra i tried your command and still... blue on black.. can't read anything. how the hell do you access your vms once you launch them this way? [16:49] and then it reboots.. [16:49] i insert fake virus scripts in the topic [16:49] heil hitler [16:49] ha ha ha ha ha! [16:50] hellsworth, sounds weird ... [16:50] !ops [16:50] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, bazhang, chu, dax [16:50] my goal here is to have a UC18 vm up and running - in whatever app that does the trick - and scp a new network-manager snap into it, ssh in and install it and test [16:50] right, thats what 'm doing here as well [16:51] (well, not copying NM around ... but everything else) [16:51] !ops [16:51] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, bazhang, chu, dax [16:51] so how do you get in? [16:51] [16:51] !ops [16:51] omg [16:51] someone kick this person [16:51] !ops [16:51] hellsworth: im trying to get kickes [16:51] * ogra shakes head ... [16:51] ok aaaaaanyways.. [16:51] i never understood whats the thrill in this [16:52] hellsworth, try maximizing the window ... then you should be able to read ... [16:52] also ... did you unxz the image ? [16:52] i did [16:53] i did unxz the image.. then run the same command that you gaave me (in the path with .img) [16:53] oh yeah hmm now the text is white on black when the window is fullscreen'd [16:53] well, i'm currently using ubuntu-core-18-amd64.img ... downloaded on monday or so ... [16:53] so it should work [16:53] oh my.. weird things happen if i drag the window from fullscreen and then back [16:54] haha [16:54] let me start over.. [16:54] do you use fractional scalig ? [16:54] *scaling [16:54] i see a lot weird stuff with that [16:54] particulary with fullscreen apps [16:54] no fractional scaling [16:57] streange [16:58] also strange that if i screenshot the fullscreen'd qemu window that has blue text on black, and then open it in some image viewer, the screenshot shows white text on black so it's readable [16:58] but now what do i do? [16:58] it tells me to ssh hellsworth@10.0.2.15 but this network is not a thing on my host [16:59] are you sure? [16:59] that would have been setup for you by qemu [16:59] i mean i'm trying it now and and it's just hanging there. i expect it to timeout [16:59] hellsworth, ssh -p 10022 hellsworth@localhost [16:59] and it should have fetched your ssh public key from LP [17:00] ogra: that worked! [17:00] at least if you use my command it redirects the ssh port to 10022 [17:00] great ! [17:01] looks like quickemu doesn't work with these sorts of disk images [17:01] shouldn't it be called quickqemu? otherwise it's just a quick bird... [17:01] sorry.. semantics i know :) [17:02] probably it is *supposed* to be a quick bird ... [17:02] oooooh like q-emu [17:02] ... and we got it all wrong mis-taking it for a VM [17:02] hmm? [17:03] it is a vm [17:04] nah, its a quick tall bird ! [17:06] not as tall as an ostrich apparently... [17:06] ogra: thanks for your help in getting in the vm :) [17:06] enjoy ! === ijohnson is now known as ijohnson|lunch [17:53] folks, you may want to reset the topic === ijohnson|lunch is now known as ijohnson === sarnold changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 [19:40] oSoMoN: yes, making some progress [19:40] oSoMoN: riscv is being a pain [19:55] mwhudson, ack, thanks! [19:56] I'm fading away for a looong week-end, tty on the other side