[00:10] hi, can anyone tell me when kubuntu 20.04 upgrade will be available for 19.10? i didn't find this information anywhere... i can only find the upgrade as a dev version with do-release-upgrade -c -d [00:11] no upgrade path there [00:11] reinstall freshly onto ZFS / [00:24] bombshell : https://x0.at/_TV.jpeg [00:49] Hello. I have Steam running the Beta--how do I use Proton? [01:01] @Roey, Hi Roey! [01:02] Roey: Settings > Steam Play > Enable Steam Play for supported titles [01:02] ahhhhhhh [01:03] ok, I don't realize why the guides I saw didn't mention this [01:03] one moment... [01:03] then also check Enable Steam Play for all other titles [01:03] hihi too liuxophil :) [01:03] In the steam client, go to settings and then steam play! [01:03] TheMerchantOfVen: ahhhhh thank you!!!!!!!! [01:04] thiswas driving me nuts!! Thanks!! [01:04] Our pleasure! Are you on 20.04? [01:04] If there is a game that has a Linux version, but doesn't play well, you can go to the game properties, and check Force the use of a spcefic Steam Play compatability tool [01:04] you're welcome Roey! :) [01:05] And google "protondb"! [01:05] Very helpful! [01:06] oh yes, from time to time a new proton version will come out, so make sure to go back and update the Run other titles dropdown from time to time [01:07] so like all my other games were still running proton 4.2 sometime after proton 5 came out, so make sure you don't forget about updates [01:09] hmm [01:09] so I am downloading Skyrim [01:09] (had bought it ages ago but never installed it) [01:09] it doesn't show a Linux version.. [01:10] er I am assuming Proton will take care of this for me? [01:10] in other words, TheMerchantOfVen, that I don't have to specify anything special in order to get it to run [01:14] TheMerchantOfVen: which game should I try out that doesn't have a linux build? [01:14] besides doom 2016. [01:14] no, you can just click install and it will just download the windows version [01:14] I would love to play that but my video card is ancient [01:14] TheMerchantOfVen: aye. fantastic [01:14] you could try Battlefront II, the original one [01:14] geforce 750 ti [01:15] ok [01:15] this is another officially supported game like doom [01:15] they got online multiplayer back a few years ago :D [01:15] I thought that Doom 2016 and that Doom Eternal are windows-only? [01:15] oh , you mean supported by Proton [01:15] got it [01:15] yes officially supported yeah [01:15] :) [01:16] I'm finding so many games on linux these days [01:16] (not that I game) [01:16] seems like more and more AAA titles are getting linux ports [01:16] or is that just me [01:16] What's your steam profile? [01:16] yeah it seems that way lol [01:16] I moslty just play EU4 which has a great linux version to begin with [01:16] I've been running the latest Kubuntu 20.04 for a week now and I must say that's it super stable. Very happy with it so far. [01:17] see the Unreal and Unigine and all those other engine based games [01:17] they can be easily ported to linux [01:17] yes they can [01:18] heh :) [01:18] I rather like that about modern computing. [01:18] skyrim's almost done downloading, yeay! [01:18] There's this free 2D game that works excellent on proton called Gamma Bros [01:19] it's a really short game, like 30 minutes, it was just a port of a flash game I used to play as a kid [01:19] hmm, ok [01:19] brb [01:28] hi [01:28] i am running a Frankendebian, crossgraded from LinuxMint. [01:29] Hi all. just to verify, what side of the screen do the [FAIL/OK] messages appear on when using Debian 8, during the boot logging? [01:29] Debian does left and LinuxMint does right.... right? (it's kinda important cuz i wanna know how successful my crossgraing efforts are. every little bit of visual feedback and paying attention to side-effects like this helps.) [01:29] thx in advace. [01:35] I think this is not the channel to ask, rtn0 [01:35] this is support for Kubuntu [01:36] you are welcome to post in #kubuntu-offtopic [01:36] or in ##linux but you'll need to register an account with nickserv first (/msg nickserv help register) [01:37] i don't know if linuxmint's channel on spotchat or wherever it is would be ok with the question but i strongly suggest avoiding debian channels altogether [01:37] yeah, #debian isn't gonna go for a debian/mint hybrid lmao [01:38] el: you recommend avoiding debian channels? they will try to bite off my head? O_o [01:38] nah, they'll tell you to stop breaking debian and to come back when you reinstalled into a sane system [01:38] and if you're lucky they'll be that nice about it [01:39] what exactly are the advantages of kubuntu/ubuntu/mint over pure debian, anyway? what are the most signifigant/compelling differences/advantages/disadvantages? [01:39] is it just the apps that are installed by default? [01:39] or is there more to it than that? [01:41] what are the most foundational/signifigant/important/meaningful differences between the various debian distros, and also between debian-based distros in general vs. "pure" debian? [01:41] can it be theoretically safer/faster/higher-performance/higher-security to run "real Debian"? [01:42] not trying to start a flamewar [01:42] im a noob [01:42] just asking. ('bout a half a year's experience.) [01:42] for one, the packages that are in the repositories of a distro per release have been tested against each other moreso than if you franken a system which have had zero testing [01:45] when you franken and crossgrade distros, you're rolling the dice on whether things will be compatible. it might even seem like they are... until something happens and you lose data [01:46] Ubuntu is based off of an "unstable" [01:46] version of Debian [01:48] yep, and then kubuntu and ubuntu goes through customization, testing, patching etc by a different set of developers with an aim different to that of debian, which is to focus on the kde or gnome environments respectively. linuxmint goes through a similar process with whatever their end goal is. [01:49] debian's a bit of a blank canvas and they like to keep it that way [01:49] "debian: the universal operating system" [01:52] so..... on old versions of Debian, like oldoldoldstable, did they use just WM instead of Desktop Environments? [01:52] by default? [01:55] debian doesn't use a default desktop [01:57] so by default it doesnt even have a WM? it's just a tty? [01:57] you log in with getty? [01:57] it asks you what you want during install [01:58] housecat: oh. [01:58] i guess i prefer older stuff, which is why i ask. i like butt ugly ncurses interfaces, etc. [01:58] openbox, tiling window managers, etc. [01:58] and tty ofc. [01:59] retro. [01:59] then why mix in mint? [01:59] :) [01:59] actaully, im mixing OUT mint. [01:59] just go with stable debian [01:59] im un-minting it. [01:59] unflavored version. lol. [02:00] valorie: that's whay i was considering. just wanted to get some info first. [02:00] what* [02:00] you came to the wrong chan for that, as I said [02:01] this is support for Kubuntu, the best of all worlds [02:01] :-) [02:01] and friendliest [02:01] so again I ask, please move this to #kubuntu-offtopic [02:05] valorie: kay. bye. [02:05] lmao [02:07] OK guys! Something VERY on topic: [02:07] I will upgrade a 8 week old Kubuntu 19.10 install to 20.04. [02:07] Any known pitfalls I should know about? [02:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu [02:21] gentle reminder that we're not all guys here.... [02:25] ItzSwirlz was added by: ItzSwirlz [02:27] test [02:27] there [02:27] it's #kubuntu not with -support [02:30] yup [02:31] oh right, in Tg it has support [02:31] I think [02:31] because we have -offtopic as well, which in tg is called -cafe [02:34] don't worry about it-in the #kubuntu-support i changed title to say go to #kubuntu for support [02:40] "in the #kubuntu-support i changed title to say go to #kubuntu for support" -- in the where? [02:40] oh, you made a channel [02:40] I get it [02:41] #Kubuntu was the first flavor channel -- it's been here a loooong time [02:41] 15.5 years, specifically [02:42] only a few months younger than #ubuntu [02:49] 上海 [03:07] test [03:08] test2 [03:08] test3 [03:11] How do i disable intel RTS [03:11] I* [03:11] In acer bios? === MerchantOfVen is now known as TheMerchantOfVen [03:20] hola mundo [03:23] @erasmo, Hola Erasmo! [03:23] It is me: mundo! [03:23] ;-) === faraaz_ is now known as faraaz [03:37] nice to meet you Mundo lol [03:42] I don't now how to use this, is there anyone who can teach me how? [03:43] I am new here :) [03:43] and I'm bored due to the quarentine [03:45] One of my earbuds of headphones is lower sound than others. How do I fix that? [04:04] Was python-pip removed from the repos for focal? esp-idf still uses python2.7 (I know it's EOL but I cannot do anything about it) but apt cannot find python-pip, yet only python3-pip === lexi is now known as lexi_ === lexi_ is now known as lexi__ [04:10] sup [04:11] Hi lexi__ :) [04:12] xavi92 [04:17] !info python-pip [04:17] Package python-pip does not exist in focal [04:17] !info python-pip eoan [04:17] python-pip (source: python-pip): Python package installer. In component universe, is optional. Version 18.1-5 (eoan), package size 175 kB, installed size 789 kB [04:18] Xavi92- looks like it was removed [04:18] !info python [04:18] Package python does not exist in focal [04:18] Possibly along with everything else Python 2 === Clqy1 is now known as Clqy === Clqy1 is now known as Clqy [05:00] i need help i hv an ntfs partition but i cant access it not in linux and not in windows it says uknown partiton iin kde partion manager [05:01] also in windows partition it says unknown partition [05:01] i never formatted it [05:01] i hv important files there i dont want to format it :( [05:03] there is a dvdrescue thing.... [05:03] * valorie googles [05:07] for windows I found https://www.pandorarecovery.com/best-recovery-apps.html [05:07] thanks but i dont want to use recovery tools since it cant recover the file names :( [05:08] https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/get-your-data-back-linux-based-data-recovery-tools/ [05:12] hi [05:28] Hi, can I post a question here regarding dist-uppgrade? [05:30] sure [05:30] it's deprecated but still works [05:31] forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask: I attempted and upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 LTS [05:31] Followed the release note, ran do-release-upgrade -m desktop [05:32] upon reboot my system is still 18.04 [05:32] do you know where I can check logs? [05:33] isn't it supposed to be -d? [05:34] maybe you're right, "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FocalUpgrades/Kubuntu specifies" -m [05:34] viewer|9: you still need to do sudo do-release-upgrade -d [05:35] well, if -m works for you, then they flipped the switch today [05:35] earlier today it was still -d [05:35] interesting, -m didn't work, I shall try -d and report back [05:35] dist-upgrade command has been replace by full-upgrade [05:35] in Xubuntu they even add -c. [05:36] sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade [05:36] what's the -c for? [05:36] diogenes_: ? [05:37] valorie, i've never done an upgrade i've seen this recommendation on their channel. [05:37] ah, OK [06:27] Hey guys (and gal)! [06:28] I am tunning testdisk to recover some files on Kubuntu 18.04. [06:28] Suddenly my window borders are gone and I cannot change programs any more. [06:28] I have the impression plasma has crashed. [06:29] The process in the Konsole seems to continue however. [06:29] Any ideas how I can restart plasma without sacrificing the testdisk progress? [06:30] Live booted? [06:30] No. My normal Kubuntu install. [06:31] Plasmashell --replace did nothing on krunner [06:31] that does not work on 18.04 [06:31] from konsole, run killall plasmashell [06:31] Ok. What does? [06:31] @DarinMiller, Alright. And then? [06:31] then: plasmashell & [06:32] &? [06:33] they & "spawns" the process into it's own session. [06:33] Ok. [06:33] One moment. [06:33] Ill report back. [06:33] Thanks! [06:33] without the &, plasmashell would close if you close the terminal. [06:33] @DarinMiller, Oh wow! Makes sense! [06:35] @DarinMiller, Now I have a new taskbar with the tasks on it. But they stay minimized. [06:36] New windows still open without window borders / close buttons. [06:36] Does atl-tab work? [06:36] sounds like kwin died. [06:36] killall kwin* [06:36] then run kwin & [06:37] or it might be kwin_x11 & (I can't remember for 18.04). [06:39] It is not. "Process not found". I will google it... [06:40] If kwin died, then killall kwin will report nothing to kill. [06:41] just a sec, I will test in an 18.04 vm... [06:42] killall kwin_x11 [06:42] In a forum it said that it must be kwin_x11 [06:42] kwin_x11 [06:42] But: [06:42] kwin_x11 & [06:42] (Photo, 1280x523) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/CuNTm0bx/file_28729.jpg [06:43] what happens if you run kwin_x11 & [06:44] @DarinMiller, Life is beautiful again! [06:44] very good :) [06:44] @DarinMiller, Thanks so much! [06:44] This is weird though. [06:44] glad to help [06:44] I am on an all intel system. [06:45] Running syncthing firefox and testdisk. [06:45] Nothing that might count as a weird configuration. [06:45] Still it happened to me at least twice in the last month. [06:45] hi, How to make our own splash screen in 20.04 ? [06:45] Before that. Never! [06:46] I had occasional issues with 18.04 plasma stability, Are you running backports? They should help minimize those issues. [06:47] @Shesh, SDDM splash screen or grub boot screen? [06:48] the one that shows 3 circles and an arrow [06:48] one after the login [06:48] @DarinMiller, I can see that in discover, right? I have setup this system almost 2 years ago and never touched t apart from occasional updates. [06:49] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports [06:49] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [06:49] sudo apt-get update [06:50] @Shesh, System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Splash Screen [06:50] Yes sir. Can I make one out of my own picture ? [06:51] I mean, using an image I have [06:51] I assume, so I never tried... [06:51] ok :) [06:52] what should I Google for ? [06:53] You might be able to see how others have done in the kde store: https://store.kde.org/browse/cat/488/ [06:53] @DarinMiller, Thanks! I know how to add them. Just the checking was not clear to me. But in discover I can actually have a look at the sources. You are correct. I have no kubuntu backports enabled. I remember now. I actually did this because O hoped that this would be the most stable setup. [06:54] thanks [06:55] I find that backports typically improve stability. You can always remove backports using ppa purge if you find issues. [06:55] @DarinMiller, Great. Do you know if the backports for Kubuntu 20.02 will give newer PLasma versions or will it be as with Kubuntu 18.04? [06:56] Kubuntu 20.04 of course. [06:56] not 20.02 [06:57] backports typically only provide patches for the respective platform (minor bumbs). [06:58] guiverc was added by: guiverc [06:58] @Shesh, Download a custom splash screen, the look at the layout of the file structure in ~/.local/share/plasma/look-and-feel/ [06:59] But I seem to remember that for 18.04 there was a problem with a QT version that kept Plasma versions from being bumped. Seemed to surprize quite a lot of people at the time. [06:59] So I thought maybe that was a one time thing since it must have worked with earlier Plasma versions. [06:59] Else nobody would have even mentioned it. [06:59] correct, QT will not be rev'd with backports. Only 18.04 libriaries will download to an 18.04 system. [07:00] But this was not a problem before 18.04, correct? just bad timing with Debian. [07:00] Filter the backports ppa website for bionic to view the 18.04 specific files. [07:01] Sorry, understanding that is much above my pay grade. I am interested but have no IT background whatsoever. [07:01] *buntu releases are not rolling, so each 6 month cadence locks on a specific package set. [07:01] I can see the files but they mean nothing to me unfortunately. [07:01] Well, I will just have to see then. [07:02] 😊 [07:02] :) [07:02] Thanks for the explanations though! [07:02] you are welcome! [07:04] Tag (time appropriate goodbye's) as it my time for bed. === jesus_ is now known as jesus__ === jesus__ is now known as jesus_ [07:05] hello [07:10] hello [07:14] linux [07:19] Finally you have come! [07:25] timing sounds right for that [07:26] a bit disappointed by the seven trumpets however [07:27] underwhelming to say the least [07:30] what is this [07:38] @jesus_, A reckoning! [07:38] A plague [07:39] Locusts [07:39] Draughts [07:39] Floods [07:44] what [07:45] what [07:46] \k === _sunn_ is now known as sunn === acheronuk is now known as RikMills [08:56]