[00:02] installed today's daily, rebooted, full-updated, rebooted, and all is well. so i think that linux scare that came through from the landing team is really nothing worrisome......... or it's going to affect some driver i'm not employing [00:09] wxl: did you happen to check on foreign architectures? [00:10] 1s [00:12] it's all good kc2bez [00:15] Awesome! Thanks for checking. [00:16] thanks for fixing it :) [00:38] so check this out: 8 seconds from launch to get Calamares to "boot up" essentially https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HzRBbvxbFw/ [00:39] not sure what we can do to fix that. harumph. [01:02] 2 1/2 minute install time though. [01:03] i know. it's just ironic i guess [01:05] I wonder if we can start loading Calamares in the background on startup [01:05] The only problem is that things like internet access may change [01:06] I think that is actually the slow down, loading the internet things [01:06] welcome and locale [01:07] yeah it seems to me every module takes a second or so [01:07] From my interpretation of wxl's log, it's the partition module [01:08] I wish that log could be a bit more verbose [01:08] i mean that's a disproprotionate hunk of it but not a huge hunk [01:08] To break it down in terms of module and milliseconds [01:08] that's the debug log so that IS the verbose log [01:09] something like systemd analyze [01:09] What we might be able to do is get that to be a little more precise in terms of times and figure out which specific process is taking the longest. Maybe not base it on one thing but bang it against the wall a few times and see what takes the longest on average [01:09] i dare you to write a new issue that proposes that systemd be used to manage calamares [01:10] I wasn't suggesting that XD [01:10] Wait a minute, is this 8 seconds or 5? [01:10] 8 [01:11] I'm just wondering if it took you three seconds to close Cala [01:11] It looks like it was done at :45 [01:11] oh hah maybe XD [01:11] Starting at :40 [01:11] i don't think so but i can try again [01:11] No man, look at the log XD [01:12] ok fine 5 s [01:13] And to be as precise as possible, it'd be cool to know exactly when the window pops up. I'd be fine with a window popping up in 1/5 or 1/10 of the total time and just showing that it's loading. The problem arises when we have more than that [01:15] Here is my most recent log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b4Gp4D6Cb9/ [01:16] It complains about EFI partitions but I blame virtualbox for that. [01:16] man i see it *every*time* [01:16] but i have a relatively constrained vm [01:19] @kc2bez [ Here is my most recent log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b4Gp4D6Cb9/], That's a 4 second requirement check time [01:19] I definitely think that we should push more precise times in these debug logs if we're looking at faster installs [01:21] In fact, if it's not too much overhead, maybe we can even be looking at a flag to give a module by module breakdown of load time [01:21] like [module] blah blah blah [01:21] Yeah [01:21] i would like to see that personally [01:21] the logs are a mess to read [01:21] +1 [01:21] i think i'll write an issue about that [01:27] hm i wonder if modules could load one at a time instead [01:28] They all seem to load at the same time [01:28] yep [01:28] locale and partition seem to be the last to initialize [01:32] Here is one with no network. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P82tjzsTFs/ [01:35] no earth shattering revelation [01:39] The JobQueue tab is always blank in the debug [01:42] oh nvm [01:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T143: Enable i386 architecture] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143#3079 [02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL783eeb66195d: Improve wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL783eeb66195d [07:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL232c4cd62406: Split paragraph and add other printer options] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL232c4cd62406 [08:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL32ef0bab2371: Add Range aand copies field] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL32ef0bab2371 [10:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGb75411bb141c: merge from debian 0.14.1-12] rikmills (Rik Mills) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGb75411bb141c [14:44] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/02/msg00000.html [14:44] wxl @kc2bez @HMollerCl @The_LoudSpeaker et al. ^ [15:13] Oh that fail missing thing. [15:14] I wondered why i got it only in focal dev environment [15:21] well the option has been there it is just now default [15:22] and focal is still 12.7 [15:25] But i did see it running even when i haven't specified [15:25] Oh wait no. I think my a file called for it [16:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T143: Enable i386 architecture] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143#3080 [16:29] yikes really sounds like we should ensure we don't have any packages rrunning services on 11 [17:34] @kc2bez: can you please confirm my change to lubuntu-meta does indeed keep gnome from being installed in focal on the pi? [17:35] I will give it a go. [17:35] @wxl [ yikes really sounds like we should ensure we don't have any packages rrunn …], I think later I'll create a task with a checklist. Whatever we end up fixing we can send to Debian [17:35] kk [17:36] and omg we blacklist gnome-shell in the seed! wth! [17:36] maybe we need to add gdm3 :////// [17:36] Might be worth asking Niel when he plans on tagging 13 [17:36] @wxl [ and omg we blacklist gnome-shell in the seed! wth!], That's grandfathered in from gilir days [17:36] i know! [17:37] wait meta doesn't have blacklists does it? [17:38] cuz THAT would explain why we have problems only when people use the metapackage [17:39] ^ any ideas @tsimonq2 ? [17:47] @kc2bez: i think this is waiting on you https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71 as i suggested before though it may be buggy it might be worthwhile to get it in there and play with and test [17:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] added libreoffice-qt5 package: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71 [17:50] @wxl [ cuz THAT would explain why we have problems only when people use the metap …], That's why we don't encourage people to use the metapackage [17:50] Use the task instead [17:51] i thought at this point they were all one in the same? [17:52] if not, how does one manage the task? [17:52] Not precisely [17:53] kc2bez: thx wanna upload? :) [17:54] One thing at a time XD [18:09] How does one patch Hans' changes in rSeed ? [18:11] kind of like normal [18:12] with arc patch ? [18:12] the end result is not an upload, though, but a push to the repo [18:12] yeppers [18:13] if you want to be super cool, you'll update meta to pull in that change and upload that, though [18:14] seed first though [18:14] right [18:15] Do I need to arc land too? [18:16] yeah that should do your git push [18:16] ok [18:21] One more crazy question; `arc land --onto focal` NOT `arc land --onto ubuntu/focal` right? It needs to follow the right branch.? [18:21] right [18:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEED5cc2117977af: added libreoffice-qt5 package] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED5cc2117977af [18:50] wxl: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D80 It doesn't look like the escaping thing is working or I did something wrong. [18:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Add libreoffice-qt5: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D80 [18:50] ^ indeed [18:50] I'm not ruling out the latter [18:51] Should I just manually fix it [18:51] please [18:51] ok [18:54] Sorry, that should be fixed now. [18:54] accepted [18:55] danke [18:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMETAc4e1139c7fab: Add libreoffice-qt5] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAc4e1139c7fab [19:03] @The_LoudSpeaker [@Rutvikm], Ah yes [19:04] bitte [19:04] @Rutvikm [Ah yes], Knew it'd be something related to development [19:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS2812e609faf1: Added SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 env var in session.conf so libreoffice use qt5 VCL] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS2812e609faf1 [20:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#3083 [20:16] Who did this:? libfm-qt6/focal 0.14.1-12ubuntu1 amd64 [actualizable desde: 0.14.1-9ubuntu4] [20:17] new libfm-qt6 on focal. [20:17] looks like @RikMills! [20:18] Thanks @RikMills ! [20:44] bad news wxl [20:44] oh no [20:45] Installing lubuntu-desktop now brings in plasma-desktop and gnome-shell [20:45] whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy [20:52] Maybe because of breeze themes? [21:40] (Photo, 650x144) https://i.imgur.com/MVA7lUs.jpg [21:46] I'll bite. Why does sddm-theme-breeze depend on plasma-workspace? That should absolutely be a reccomends, not a depends, @RikMills. [21:46] (Photo, 884x102) https://i.imgur.com/IIgl07t.jpg [21:50] Maybe even a suggests as opposed to a depends. After all, sddm doesn't absolutely need that particular theme. [21:52] @Eickmeyer[m] [ I'll bite. Why does sddm-theme-breeze depend on plasma-workspace? …], It is produced by plasma-workspace source. probably needs some of its plugins/qml maybe for its ui elements [21:53] Still doesn't make any sense. sddm, when it first was started, wasn't a kde project. I understand that now it's the default KDE/Plasma dm, but to assume other DEs can't use it seems odd. [21:54] The breeze sddm theme is 100% kde though [21:54] Absolutely, and I agree. But, it's just a theme. The sddm package itself shouldn't depend on it. [21:55] And it looks like it doesn't, that it's a recommends. [21:56] the real question is why the sddm-theme-breeze | sddm-theme is not satisfied by sddm-theme-lubuntu, as it 'provides sddm-theme' [21:56] So, perhaps it's the recommends being pulled in. Perhaps that should be listed in the opposite order, placing sddm-breeze-theme at a lower priority? [21:58] no something else has changed 🤔 [21:58] I guess I'm looking at this discussion because in Studio we've considered switching from lightdm to sddm. [21:59] It could be that sddm-theme-lubuntu isn't in the system first. Therefore, we're looking at a race condition, @RikMills . [22:00] wxl: Is sddm-theme-lubuntu higher in your seed than sddm? [22:01] * Eickmeyer[m] attempts to spitball [22:03] yesterdays ISO did not have it, so it is something that changed in last 24hrs [22:03] It isn't it also looks like we try to exclude sddm-theme-lubuntu [22:04] It isn't on the iso (or at least I don't think it is) @RikMills We were attempting to install lubuntu-desktop on a RasPi preinstalled image. [22:05] @Eickmeyer https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/browse/focal/desktop$37 [22:05] @kc2bez [ It isn't on the iso (or at least I don't think it is) @RikMills We were …], It is today! [22:06] kc2bez: Yikes. It might need to be added to the blacklist then. [22:06] I wrote this wrong " It isn't it also looks like we try to exclude sddm-theme-lubuntu" [22:06] "!" simply uninstalls it from existing systems but doesn't prevent it from being installed in the seed. [22:06] aiui [22:08] Whereas blacklist prevents it from being installed in the seed. [22:10] right, I wasn't typing correctly there. [22:13] Actually, it is not on the ISO. germinate is being weird [22:14] That makes me feel somewhat better [22:14] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/focal/daily-live-20200201.log [22:14] This looks fun [22:14] Who broke what? XD [22:14] ABI BREAK [22:15] XD [22:15] @RikMills [https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/focal/daily-l …], * Chose kwin-x11 to satisfy plasma-desktop … ? Unknown recommendation plasma-thunderbolt by plasma-desktop [22:15] XD [22:15] why germinate is doing that, ***** knows [22:16] anyway, it does seem to work out that lubuntu-sddm-theme is enough in the end [22:16] for the iso, anyway [22:18] @HMollerCl [Who did this:? libfm-qt6/focal 0.14.1-12ubuntu1 amd64 [actualizable desde: 0.14. …], it was sitting in MoM with my name on it :P [22:28] I should not try to work out dep issues after a few 🍻 [22:30] Sometimes that makes wisdom more sage XD [22:31] Only if the person you are talking to is also half cut :P [22:32] :D [22:41] @RikMills [], We don't have sdd-theme-breeze, do we? I remember It was blacklisted in seed [22:41] @HMollerCl [We don't have sdd-theme-breeze, do we? I remember It was blacklisted in seed], No, I misread