[02:01] mhall119, ping === chihchunl is now known as chihchun === frecel_ is now known as frecel === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv [09:35] renatu, you around ? [10:55] hi === max is now known as Guest10286 [10:55] hi [10:56] this is first time i lunch ubuntu-sdk [11:14] The step 'Building a Scope' from the docs here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/tutorials/scope-development-procedures/ is failing for me with error: 'No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.' [11:14] Is there a more up-to-date doc for using the SDK on 14.04.1? [11:16] In the logs I see this: "g++ version must be 4.9! -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!" [14:25] TenLeftFingers, in the terminal run "sudo apt-cache policy g++" [15:44] ahoneybun: I get Installed: 4:4.8.2-1ubuntu6 [15:44] yea only 14.10 has 4.9 there might be a ppa for it not sure [15:45] but I use 14.10 for development [15:45] Good to know ahoneybun, thanks. I'll try the PPA mentioned here first: http://askubuntu.com/questions/466651/how-do-i-use-the-latest-gcc-4-9-on-ubuntu-14-04 [15:45] np [17:36] mzanetti: hi [17:46] mzanetti: I was thinking about the settings. I think, for the final version, we can put there only sound settings and replace settings icon with sound icon. The other settings would be available only for levelpacks creators. Maybe with some enabling option in your script. What you think? [20:12] ahayzen kicking about? [20:13] or victor? [20:16] Bah stupid wifi issues today [21:03] !ping [21:03] pong! [21:32] ahayzen, oh hey [21:32] hows it going? [21:32] akiva-thinkpad, hey just got back from oggcamp [21:32] oggcamp? [21:33] I am assuming vorbis? [21:33] and I'm assuming you are into media and stuff? [21:33] akiva-thinkpad, no it is an unconference event thing popey did a lecture on ubuntu phone :) [21:33] akiva-thinkpad, http://oggcamp.org/ [21:34] ahh wish someone would have told me about it [21:34] would have totally been there [21:34] akiva-thinkpad, haha in oxford? [21:34] akiva-thinkpad, its on tomorrow as well but i'm probably gonna do work tomorrow [21:35] bah victor needs to be on irc >;[ [21:37] haha yeah then he would get even more messages from me aha [21:39] ahayzen, i'm about to run out of battery [21:39] will bb in a bit; for some reason, all the internet around here is failing [21:39] library [21:39] apple store [21:39] tim hortons [21:39] richmond centre [21:39] :/ [21:39] ahayzen, hey [21:39] can you test this branch [21:40] me and vic are getting different outputs on it [21:40] akiva-thinkpad, ok which one? [21:40] https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/music-app/remix-now-playing-main-view-fixes/+merge/237144 [21:40] vthompson, o/ [21:40] vthompson, ah [21:40] vthompson, that is strange [21:40] woah you guys are quick ;) [21:40] speak of the devil .... [21:40] vthompson, you said it was on the device and the desktop [21:40] I figured I'd jump on rather than do the back and forth on LP [21:40] do you mean the desktop emulator or the qmlscene? [21:40] yea... [21:41] No, I actually just upgraded to 14.10 [21:41] so qmlscene [21:41] vthompson, wierd [21:41] very wierd [21:41] I was going to see if you did a bzr dif [21:41] diff [21:41] im about to run out of batery [21:41] vthompson, i was gonna look at ur theming in a sec...i just got back in [21:41] or sorry, bzr status [21:41] maybe you had some theming files not commited? [21:41] http://imgur.com/QU0bTwg [21:42] vthompson, that is what I get. [21:42] ahayzen, I think it's a hack to be honest [21:42] vthompson, no i think i can do it correctly just gotta remember how [21:42] I'd rather we support theming as a whole so we might be able to tweak the component's behavior [21:42] hmmm [21:42] * ahayzen has some java coursework to check over first :/ [21:42] ahayzen, anyways I got to go find a plugin. ahayzen let me know what output you get from running that app [21:43] akiva-thinkpad, will do [21:43] ahayzen, because me and vic are getting different outputs [21:43] bbl in 20 minutes or something [21:43] Right, akiva, maybe you can research theming for us? [21:43] Since right now I've separated that since I want us to do it somewhat correctly [21:45] ahayzen, also, I don't think my fix for the progress bar is necessarily a hack, it's just not the full theme like I think we might want. If we could control the component so it's not so stupid all the time.. that'd be nice [21:45] vthompson, you use the style property [21:45] But then the theming would probably be more code then our custom component is... [21:46] ahayzen, you use the style property BUT you need to define a component [21:46] akiva-thinkpad, vthompson it looks like this for me https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XynHVKfrvMaHhxaXY0ZlYyajg [21:46] ahayzen, it ends up being similar to my theme hack... just you need to get the styleditem correct [21:46] ^^ was akiva-thinkpad's mp [21:47] What's odd is that's what I remembered getting earlier... but now I do not [21:47] yey :/ [21:48] vthompson, i'm just gonna do some java stuff and then i'll go over all the mps and get back to the column flow :) [21:49] ahayzen, well let's wait on the progress bar fix... I want to make sure we do it right... Or I guess it's a small fix so I could add commentary to fix it later when we get a better method [21:49] vthompson, yeah i'll check it out later and see if i can figure out the 'correct' way [21:49] I'm OK with either, I just want to keep our trajectory as high as possible in case we don't find a better fix [21:50] vthompson, agreed [21:53] ahayzen, akiva-thinkpad, I actually do still get the same as ahayzen. I had just started to try fixing Akiva's branch but instead I started fresh. [21:53] vthompson, hah [21:54] so I had uncommited changes... :/ [22:05] ahayzen, has anything came out of the daily standups about when we should expect designs for the views that will have ListViews? I think we're rather blocked on that--I can't think of anything to work on other than playlists... sigh [22:06] vthompson, hmmm jouni was supposed to do them for thurs/friday morning [22:06] vthompson, but i didn't see anyone on irc on friday [22:06] vthompson, playlists will use cardview [22:06] ahayzen, I mean the playlist refresh/version update [22:06] although maybe the art fix won't need it... but I assume it will [22:07] vthompson, hmm? as in the fix for art? [22:07] ahayzen, right [22:07] vthompson, that fix probably needs to be done in trunk and then 'forward' ported [22:07] ahayzen, agreed if we do it soonish [22:07] vthompson, or whatever that would be called [22:08] vthompson, well i'm around all of the day tomorrow and tonight so time to start working on things :) [22:08] typically it's a back port or a reverse merge [22:08] vthompson, a backport would be from remix->trunk though? not trunk->remix ? [22:08] ahayzen, yea, but given what we know about the UI I think your cards are the most important since they might be used in many places [22:09] vthompson, i'll try and sort them tonight.. [22:09] * ahayzen shakes fist at java [22:09] oh right, yea, that's just a regular 'merge' of sorts [22:09] "a horrible language" [22:10] ahayzen, sadly I've been doing Java at my job the last month or so again... It's not so horrible as just not not not horrible [22:10] haha, too many not's [22:11] hah lol [22:11] * ahayzen hugs c/c++ [22:11] :) [22:12] ahayzen, so I was thinking today of how or if we'd support desktop with a thicker or more robust toolbar [22:12] vthompson, jouni said tablet designs are coming later [22:12] sigh [22:12] vthompson, our focus is mobile ignore everything else aha....but yeah i agree as i've been building things i've been trying to think how they willl work on tablet/desktop [22:12] hm, so I guess we will try to ditch as much code as possible if it doesn't support RTM [22:13] something like that [22:13] I'd like to know ahead of time what the music toolbar might be for a tablet... before we completely ditch what we have. [22:14] vthompson, well we can always rollback/view files at a version ... thats wht version control is for right :P [22:14] But I think, or hope, design will say that it will be the same, but maybe have more buttons [22:14] ok what should i do first... [22:14] ahayzen, yea, just rather know as much before we ditch code [22:15] vthompson, this one first? https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/remix-now-playing-main-view/+merge/236998 [22:15] ahayzen, I'd assume so... unless there's something else? [22:16] vthompson, just checking so many branches aha ... i guess once we have the listview done there won't be any jumping? [22:16] vthompson, and they will all be the same height (which will solve loads of bugs) [22:16] ahayzen, on a side note, I'd like any fix Akiva makes to be his own commit with his own merit. I'm not a fan of merges into my personal branches. [22:16] vthompson, yeah same [22:17] vthompson, so he should resubmit it against /remix with urs as a prerequisite [22:17] ahayzen, actually, when you review my MP you'll note that I have the same question. I assume we might jump... but I personally would rather not [22:17] vthompson, thats wht i said it i saw ur comment ;) [22:17] ahayzen, yea, I just hope it's not messy. [22:17] :) [22:18] vthompson, i would rather that listview is literally a view with not messy things or varying heights [22:18] vthompson, so it actually works lol [22:18] ahayzen, well, I assume it will be a fairly normal listview... no varying heights [22:18] but we wait upon design [22:18] vthompson, yep [22:19] ahayzen, I don't have a player that jumps in that view... [22:19] vthompson, they sometimes remember ur scroll position [22:20] vthompson, we should investigate statesaver i suppose as well [22:20] ahayzen, hm, last I heard it was staying a crash only save [22:20] I might be wrong though, as I don't read all the emails [22:21] vthompson, yeah for when the app is closed due to OOM and then resumed [22:21] vthompson, that was my impression [22:21] ahayzen, that brings up an interesting question that no ones mentioned to me... is confinement a RTM priority for us? [22:22] vthompson, i nearly managed to make the app confined [22:22] vthompson, there is a bug in content-hub that is preventing us moving otherwise i have a branch ready for trunk [22:23] ahayzen, ok nice, I hadn't noticed [22:24] vthompson, bug 1373086 [22:24] bug 1373086 in content-hub "Using contentItem.move(dir, filename) doesn't work under confinement" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373086 [22:24] ahayzen, ah, sad [22:24] vthompson, otherwise this is the profile http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/+junk/music-app-confinement-001/revision/634 [22:25] vthompson, yeah soooo close :/ [22:25] ahayzen, read path ~/Music/Imported? [22:25] vthompson, yeah r/w [22:25] ahayzen, hm, I guess [22:26] vthompson, so then it can check if the subdir exists? [22:26] ahayzen, really they need a profile for content hub moving or something [22:26] ahayzen, or multiple profiles [22:26] vthompson, well it should 'work' but it doesn't for some reason [22:27] vthompson, and no denials anywhere ... IIRC kenvandine found it was doing something strange [22:27] hm [22:27] vthompson, like ms2 sees the file and then the file doesn't appear but the folder structure is created?! lol [22:28] ahayzen, so another thing I was thinking needed to be discussed at the standups. Right now our app in trunk is *kinda* agnostic to different sizes... however what we are doing now is almost very screen size dependent... is any one running remix on the RTM devices? [22:29] vthompson, popey ? and there will be other folk "testing the app heavily" [22:29] ahayzen, testing prior to our switch? [22:29] vthompson, and i was told all devices are 40GU width from jouni but i wasn't sure if that is true aha [22:30] ahayzen, ha [22:30] ahayzen, all mockups are 40GU and you'll like it that way [22:30] or else [22:30] vthompson, i assume they'll be testing before switch [22:30] hehe yeah [22:30] resolution independence \o/ [22:31] ahayzen, we did so much work in that area before, but now we are conforming strictly to 1 aspect in a design that is inaccurate and we are verifying on a Nexus 4 which is NOT the target size [22:32] vthompson, eh :/ [22:32] I just think we need to make sure that these designs are kosher on both devices... which does need some resolution independence [22:33] vthompson, i'll poke popey to try it on monday and provide screenies [22:33] ahayzen, vthompson ping [22:33] so what is the verdict? [22:33] akiva-thinkpad, o/ [22:33] o/ [22:33] lol [22:33] :P [22:34] verdict is we got sidetracked in our conversation as most of our conversations do vthompson ;) [22:34] Your branch looked the same to me as ahayzen... I just had started fixing it and had uncomitted changes [22:34] ah [22:34] akiva-thinkpad, looked like this for me https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XynHVKfrvMaHhxaXY0ZlYyajg/edit [22:34] ahayzen, hey that was very relevant to our development [22:34] okay its good to merge then? [22:35] vthompson, i know ;) ... unlike our usual discussions on hangouts aha [22:35] So akiva-thinkpad, you're trying to fit the size of your app in the desktop to that of the design, and in turn to the device [22:35] that is not a valid assumption [22:36] FIrst off you can not assume that they are the same just by lining them up due to how grid units work [22:36] You might have better luck building an emulator in the IDE and running that way... otherwise you really can't assume things will work [22:37] we need it to scale across devices sizes really [22:37] vthompson, yep; but I am still confused [22:37] is my patch fine or not? [22:38] ahayzen, yes, I agree 100%, but maybe not for this first go as much... I just think there is so much to do there [22:38] vthompson, agreed [22:38] akiva-thinkpad, your patch is too tall for the device and it can't go in as is [22:39] vthompson, ah; okay. I did go by the specifications [22:39] we suspect the spec is incorrect... [22:39] so to that; I say the specifications are slightly off then. [22:39] which is fine [22:39] what do we want to shrink? [22:39] the blurred effect? [22:39] or the spacing? [22:40] akiva-thinkpad, ahayzen, the spec is incorrect and it is not valid to just line up screenshots and assume that is equivalent [22:40] vthompson, i'm checking ur mp now [22:41] vthompson, yep fair enough; how many gu's do we need to shrink the image by? [22:41] but mostly, the fact that the spec is incorrect is a moot point with regard to simply lining up different views on your desktop... that is not a good indicator that things will work [22:42] akiva-thinkpad, I think you need to either figure out a way to repicate some sort of realistic device or take a more data driven task [22:42] vthompson, perhaps a way to correct this on qml scene is to change the height and width of the mainscene [22:42] akiva-thinkpad, well, we still want the desktop to be a bit different... in the end [22:42] vthompson, are we doing the blue in the second mp? so i ignore that for lp:~vthompson/music-app/remix-now-playing-main-view [22:42] that's also not an effort that's worth the time [22:43] ahayzen, yea [22:43] vthompson, cool [22:44] akiva-thinkpad, I'm trying to help you pick out a task. What sort of programming do you enjoy? [22:45] vthompson, Anything new; [22:45] We will have other coding to do. Some of it will be testing code in python... you can drive that from the desktop [22:46] vthompson, so you need a test written in python; that sort of thing? [22:46] We also have vast functions in Javascript (QML's evil shadow) that will need MANY simplifications. ahayzen is sadistic enough to take some of this, but we could find something for ou [22:46] *you [22:47] akiva-thinkpad, we may need new tests... we also need tests to be changed based on how the UI has changed [22:47] vthompson, I'm not picky, but thanks for asking. [22:47] me ... sadistic? [22:47] ahayzen, you like pain, or, rather, seem too. :P [22:48] vthompson, i like making things faster/simpler/easier to read/less lines [22:48] ahayzen, has Jouni talked about search at all? [22:48] vthompson, and it depends what u define pain .... jenkins however... [22:48] lol [22:48] vthompson, i'm not sure why that is assigned to him [22:49] vthompson, i thought that was my WI ? [22:49] vthompson, as we are just blocked by that UITK bug [22:49] ahayzen, right I saw that too [22:49] vthompson, just to be clear; will you merge my branch, or do you need me to adjust it, or will you adjust it, or what? [22:49] I'd just like to get that out of the way. [22:49] ahayzen, I just meant has Jouni indicated that search is a feature we will need [22:50] vthompson, he agreed with our plan to implement when i initially asked [22:50] vthompson, but guess we can check...that is of lower importance anyway [22:50] vthompson, now playing/card view is much higher [22:50] akiva-thinkpad, I'm not sure what in your branch we'd want to merge. Could you look at what code improvements you'd like to merge over either my MP or the remix branch? There's too much in your branch that makes the app not work [22:51] ahayzen, yes, very yes. true++ [22:52] vthompson, tbh i'm thinking of merging urs (assuming it don't find anything bad)....and then any future things can be done in new mps against remix...eg the colour of the bar [22:52] akiva-thinkpad, you don't need to keep branches around for a long time. Feel free to make one and just delete it and start from trunk/remix [22:52] vthompson, and once that now playing lands...i can go through and strip out MusicToolbar :) [22:52] vthompson, -_- huh... I don't think thats true [22:52] all it is is the height [22:53] and I followed the spec [22:53] ergo, all you need to do is adjust the height [22:53] sigh [22:53] Ok, let's not rehash this. [22:53] The design can not be verified by comparing screenshots resized to your liking [22:54] Look that is fine [22:54] I know the spec is off [22:54] I can not accept your current sizes and I am unwilling, sorry, to help you resize them given that they've been fixed [22:55] That is why I suggest if you have other coding fixes that you request a MP against the music-app/remix branch [22:55] That is frustrating; I spent a lot of time on that. [22:55] Can you build an emulator? That might help [22:55] I am. [22:56] And its fine for you to ask that [22:56] I did not know that the spec was off, and for you to just reject the branch and go fix it yourself, is slightly rude. [22:56] anyways, I will drop the topic, but I am sure you can understand why I am slightly annoyed. [22:57] akiva-thinkpad, yes, and I apologized previously. You fixed the errors in my MP while I was at work. [22:58] The way the workflow works is that you fix an issue and submit a merge proposal against the target branch, or remix in this case [22:58] vthompson, okay fair enough. [22:59] In the corporate world people actively avoid duplication of effort, but here it's harder to avoid this when outside people submit work and request feedback [22:59] vthompson, so to everything in the future, just submit to remix? [22:59] Yes, that is preferred [22:59] vthompson, okay thanks. [22:59] Until remix becomes trunk [22:59] vthompson, and with that, I officially drop everything; [23:00] Honestly, if you propose to merge into my branch I reserve the right to be as cruel as possible ;P [23:00] vthompson, so delete the branch, or resubmit it? [23:01] akiva-thinkpad, so you had other code fixes or deletion of components? [23:01] vthompson, basically. [23:01] as the merge states; about 50 lines were removed [23:02] akiva-thinkpad, so if you submit it against remix it will also see that you are trying to resize things and update that as well... so your MP will still be incorrect [23:02] akiva-thinkpad, can you simply do a branch of remix and copy the fixes that are code deletions? That way you could avoid the resizing issues you can't solve [23:03] I'll just grab you resizes and apply it to mine. [23:03] I mean; there can't be all that much you did. [23:03] it was either the background, spacing, icon size, or stuff like that. [23:04] * akiva-thinkpad checks [23:05] vthompson, what about this; what if I edit that page thus the spacing adjusts with the height? [23:06] vthompson, that will help avoid issues in the future; its not neccessarily guaranteed... i think... that every ubuntu phone will have the same vertical dimensions [23:06] vthompson, what do you think? [23:07] In this case, I can just spec it so every component uses a certain percent of y [23:08] akiva-thinkpad, so, I'm not 100% sure all devices will have the same vertical dimensions [23:09] we'll be tweaking the resolution related issues as we go, so far as I can see [23:09] vthompson, I am assuming landscape will be disabled? [23:10] Right now one the device we do not change orientation. [23:10] okay; figured as much. [23:10] okay when my emulator finishes, I'll see if I can do something like this. [23:22] vthompson, so what I did, is just had the playbuttons anchored to the bottom, and I left the blurred image unchanged. [23:22] so it should now even work in landscape :) [23:23] akiva-thinkpad, OK, so I think we'll be merging the initial drop of the now playing into the remix branch [23:23] vthompson, sounds good [23:23] akiva-thinkpad, so you'll want to do a MP of what your fixes are into the remix branch [23:24] yep [23:24] sounds good :) [23:24] i'll delete the other branch then [23:24] then submit this. [23:24] akiva-thinkpad, so what you'll need to do if you want to step up what you have so that it has anything delivered into remix is do a "bzr merge lp:music-app/remix" to pull in remix [23:25] vthompson, yes I know; let me know when remix is at a good state to do that; I presume you are still patching things together.