[00:49] hi there [01:05] please, can anybody help us ? [01:05] http://i.imgur.com/MOMe0Os.png [01:05] how remove kubuntu this touchpad kcm from kde ? where is it placed ? [01:06] Octopii Fan Club ? :D ;) great [01:09] ShalokShalom: most of the devs are asleep, you might try #kubuntu for support [01:09] thx [01:10] why octopi fan club ? [01:10] the pacman GUI ? :) [01:10] Some inside joke I missed sorry : / === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [01:40] sgclark: :) thanks :) [01:40] gn8 [01:40] night [04:06] apachelogger: it's a proposition [05:29] Since we don't ship with multiple virtual desktops anymore, the button to keep a window on all of them is useless, so why not remove it? [05:36] but what if people use multiple virt. desktops? [05:36] then they may very well need the button [05:37] if they use them, they have to add them, and that assumes they know how to do that [05:37] if they know how to do that, the are a bit more advanced of a user [05:37] so I would assume they would know how to add that button [05:37] for most users, that is a useless button [05:38] that "does nothing" [05:38] i have known for a long time how to add virt desktops [05:38] but I have no clue how to add such a button [05:38] I've just installed Kubuntu to a friend and asked me" what is this button? it doesn't do anything." [05:39] System Settings -> Windows decorration -> Configure buttons [05:39] ah [05:40] sorry, Workspace appearance -> window decoration [05:40] I hope my translation is accurate [05:40] well, I disagree that the button should be removed, since all the KDE screenshots will show it [05:41] and yes, it took me some time to figure out what it does [05:41] yes, and you use it [05:41] but I believe most of the users don't [05:41] so for them it's an annoyance [05:41] a useless button, a button that does nothing [05:42] actually, I don't often use it, since I very rarely use virt desktops [05:42] anyway [05:42] Personnaly I use it a lot [05:43] but because I use it it does not mean that everyone has to [05:43] of course [05:43] there was supposed to be a comma in ther, between the its. sorry for that. [05:44] it's ok, I speak IRC [05:44] :-) [05:44] I keep forgetting this is not skype, and I cannot edit my messages. :D [05:45] in this chan, you can use /s/something [05:45] I dunno how though [05:45] I know about it, but I have no ideea on how to use it [05:46] me either [05:46] have you guys seen this interview? http://www.themukt.com/2014/07/31/never-use-microsofts-ooxml-format/ [06:18] good morning [06:21] monin' soee [06:22] and a wonderfull morning it is :D [06:28] good morning ovidiu-florin, its nice indeed, though storms are announced here in Poland [06:28] :) [06:28] it was the same the past few days in Romania [06:28] now it's sunny :D [06:30] yeah we had lik 35* last few days here [06:37] valorie: old download page axed [06:38] \o/ [07:00] Good morning. [07:39] * apachelogger gets too much email -.- [07:44] * soee thinks users should more use activities than virtual desktops [07:47] soee: what's the advantage for you? [07:55] Riddell: i like to have activities like Work (bind apps i work on to it), Default (web, music and also bind apps), Video and Music etc. I also like to have only 2 of them active so i can easily switch with CMD+TAB to prev/next (so others are stopped than) that way when on one activity i work on an app with fullscreen mode i have ultra fast access to to webbrowser on second etc [07:56] than if i need to work a bit on different activities i can stop those im not using and again i can move first,second ultrafast :) [07:56] basiacly 2 active actifities + apps bind to then = win [07:58] sure, I have multiple activities too, doesn't change my use of virtual desktops [07:59] I don't always have more than one screen, and the environment capsuling of activities does get in the way sometimes [08:00] I feel like I need a demonstration of why they complement virtual desktops, a video cast would be ideal [08:01] there are some old ones [08:02] but I have to say, I feel like everything I do is one activity [08:02] and I like it all on one desktop [08:02] having separate desktops can be useful but I've not used them since I got a second monitor [08:03] yofel: ping :) === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik_ [08:03] one problem in plasma 4 is that activities don't have any graphical feedback, if you press win+tab your windows just disappear with no indication of what's happened [08:03] I believe that's changing in plasma 5 [08:04] Riddell: unless you feel that you have too many things going on or you regularly have to start a set of apps you'd want a vdesktop or activity [08:04] if not, then they are really very useless [08:05] they are orgranization instruments, so unless you have something to organize there's not much to be gained [08:09] maybe it's binding apps to activities that I don't get [08:09] what does that mean? [08:13] Riddell: when you go to activity $app starts, in theory even when you go to activity $app starts and switches into a specific setup for this activity [08:21] Riddell: this one demonstatrs hpow activities will be present in plasma 5.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxaDaXW67Oo [08:22] it also shows how easily you can bind app to activity :) [08:23] soee: see that, just look like desktops to me there === popey_ is now known as popey [08:23] the main diff is i tink taht you can't turn off desktop without loosing apps assigned ot it ? [08:31] kbroulik_: hm? [08:31] yofel: do you need any other information regarding the kwallet issue? [08:32] a way to reproduce it would be nice... I installed trusty in a VM yesterday and with 4.13.2 from trusty-updates everything kwallet related that I tested worked fine [08:33] shadeslayer wanted to test it in mint I believe [08:35] Riddell: remember to pacakge kactivities 4.13.3 since there's no kactivities 4.14 and utopic is still at 4.13.2 [08:36] tsdgeos: gotcha, thanks [08:36] apachelogger: any idea why I get apt in spanish when my first langauge is en? http://paste.kde.org/pgch0yy7v [08:37] probably because there's no en translation files but it is the default [08:39] because eglibc is shit and we like to use shit a lot [08:43] isn't it part of gettext? [08:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/1247802 [08:43] Ubuntu bug 1247802 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "en is ignored as first value in LANGUAGE" [Medium,Confirmed] [08:43] or are the two the same thing? [08:43] we are not the only ones who don't read their bug reports [08:44] Riddell: gettext uses libc (like everything else in the world) to find out which langauges to actually translate to [09:23] * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/14.10-alpha-2 [09:26] Isn't this done? https://trello.com/c/JH9j9mH5/51-remove-implicit-linking-to-baloo-from-libbaloo-packages-and-figure-out-proper-dep-tree [09:26] [14.10 :: To Do :: Remove implicit linking to baloo from libbaloo* packages and figure out proper dep tree ++ ] [09:28] yep [09:28] kubotu: damn you're fast [09:28] hello Riddell [09:33] removed kdesudo from port, added new card to epics for "Port away from kdesudo to kdesu" [09:45] Riddell: any luck with kdepimlibs? [09:45] sgclark: yeah I think I got it now, ppa4 up in ninjas building away [09:46] pykde4 is the next blocker I'm working on [09:46] Riddell: woot, thanks, seems the thunder and lightening has me awake [09:46] Riddell: ok great, having issues with quilt here [09:51] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html [09:51] where does the package list for that come from? [09:54] kubuntu-buildstatus-packages.txt [09:54] in lp:~kubuntu-members/%2Bjunk/qa.kubuntu.co.uk [09:55] thx [09:55] Riddell: what do we do with virtuoso btw [09:55] I guess we have no use for it anymore [09:55] abandon it :) [09:56] don't see it on merges.ubuntu [09:56] * apachelogger never finds anything on merges.ubuntu -.- [09:57] Riddell: debian has greater revision so we could simply sync away our delta [09:57] and stop caring [09:58] please do [10:00] Length: 108854321 (104M) [application/x-gzip] [10:00] Oo [10:00] do they put prn in their release tars or something [10:00] it's a nutty package [10:03] meh === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [10:03] and it's a repack [10:03] Riddell: guess that would have to be a fakesync [10:04] likely [10:08] Riddell: our repacks even differ [10:10] bloody non free bits [10:18] yofel: you know, I am looking at a merge where in fact wrap-sort maked more diff than it would have had without it :P [10:22] Riddell: there is some minor divergence in patches and architectures on of the packages is built on, but I am reasonable certain that is a result of not having been merged in a while it appears [10:23] eitherway if it was broken we wouldn't care anyway, so fakesync it is [10:25] might be, I went for the general case as I'm used to see sorting at the debian side [10:47] apachelogger: ping [10:48] shadeslayer: ack [10:51] moment, checking something [10:53] Riddell: also gwenview bzr source doesn't match archive. I can't seem to find what is causing this error. [10:53] sgclark: oh that's cos it got deleted from the archivve [10:53] apachelogger: ah nvm [10:53] it was getting the way of a library transition [10:53] apachelogger: parser is slightly buggy [10:53] sgclark: just pick one and go with it to sync them up [10:54] apachelogger: seems to not work on a few patches in kdelibs [10:54] see, you should have used mine [10:54] but no [10:55] you had to go and use a gem :P [10:55] where's your [10:55] *yours [10:57] dunno [10:57] I pasted it [11:01] yeah [11:01] got it [11:01] slow [11:01] it's so slow [11:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922972/ [11:02] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922976/ [11:02] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922977/ [11:03] brunch brunch brunch [11:04] shadeslayer: show patch [11:04] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922990/ [11:04] Riddell: got it, thanks [11:05] shadeslayer: patch [11:05] u parse patch [11:05] what is patch :P [11:06] ah [11:07] apachelogger: "kconf_update_migrate_from_kde3_icon_theme.diff" [11:08] apachelogger: Riddell are you guys aware of any bug fixes that have gone in for Plasma 5 [11:08] !find cli.pm [11:08] File cli.pm found in cli-common-dev, fusioninventory-agent [11:08] shadeslayer: the ones I reported are the ones I am aware of [11:09] apachelogger: but those are all packaging fixes right? [11:09] shadeslayer: can't reproduce the exception [11:09] shadeslayer: I've not looked yet, ask me next Thursday [11:09] ok [11:10] shadeslayer: I dunno, check bugs.kde [11:10] I certainly did file a bunch of crap all over the place, no clue if it is fixed yet [11:11] shadeslayer: I can reproduce it with your script [11:11] I blame u [11:11] apachelogger: no, I meant, anything important from your side that got fixed in the PPA that would warrant a ISO build [11:11] ah no [11:11] shadeslayer: I think your version is outdated [11:11] see my paste [11:12] oh no [11:12] there it is again [11:12] this is fun [11:12] shadeslayer: constantly branching seems a bit inefficient fwiw :P [11:13] yes [11:13] I need to fix that [11:13] export and shit [11:13] history not required [11:13] ah [11:13] shadeslayer: for me it fails ./kdelibs/debian/patches/kfreebsd_acl.diff [11:13] hurray [11:13] which is really not very legit dep3 xD [11:16] shadeslayer: I think you'll want to rescue parse! [11:18] or maybe dep3 should [11:18] shadeslayer: the question is [11:18] should one care about malformed headers and no headers === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [11:22] apachelogger: from a application POV, Dep3 should just set the validity as false and move on [11:22] then up to the application developer to check validity [11:22] and do stuff accordingly [11:23] shadeslayer: in ruby the app developer would then have to rescue parse! [11:24] because it's not the same thing, validity qualifies whether the dep3 data is valid, parse! would throw an exception if the data doesn't qualify as dep3 data at all [11:25] doesn't really matter to me though, since only you use it right now you can span the rescue either inside parse! or outside parse :P [11:27] I am not sure the parser actually should fail on this patch [11:28] AFK [11:29] ah [11:29] nevermind [11:29] there is a deeper problem here [11:40] shadeslayer: I think I fixed it [11:48] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7923305/ [11:49] this version shouldn't throw anything anymore [11:49] what will happen is: according to the spec anything that isn't a header and doesn't come after a ---- will eventually start a freeform style comment block which is appended to description [11:50] so in essence at least partially the patch will end up in the parsed description if it does not have a proper dep3 [11:50] buuuuuuut [11:52] since origin or author/from need to be !nil I expect most if not all bogus patches to be discarded, there is however the ever so faint chance that someone has a patch like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7923320/ which will screw the parser into contianing half the patch and as description and still considering it valid [11:53] so... what we could do to reduce this problem is to consider freeform stuff only as description at the very end ... so we check is the actual description field not null? is the origin or from field not null? if so, then append freeform to description and set valid [11:54] raise your opinion good sir [11:55] although [11:56] nah, I think that'd be best [11:56] because the spec literally says that the fields themselves are required, so not having an actual field Description: yolo is in fact constituting an invalid dep3 [11:56] * apachelogger adjusts [12:08] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7923423/ et voila [12:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7923433/ fixed a comment [12:10] this is like a version control in the 90's i tell ya [12:18] hi ShalokShalom [12:18] hi [12:18] Riddell: [12:18] i already solve that issue from yesterday :) [12:58] can anyone spot the build error? https://i181313599.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/181313599/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.kate_4%3A4.13.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=96a470f4eb540c4d48f253a7cf2b8333 [13:01] I can't it's restricted [13:01] so log in? [13:01] it's from ninjas [13:02] please link to the build, not to the log. The link includes an auth hash that's restricted to you [13:02] -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -o CMakeFiles/katepateplugin.dir/plugin.o -c ../../../../../addons/kate/pate/src/plugin.cpp [13:02] sip: Unable to find file "pykde_config.sip" [13:02] addons/kate/pate/sip/CMakeFiles/python_module_PyKate4_kate.dir/build.make:56: recipe for target 'addons/kate/pate/sip/./kate/sipkatepart0.cpp' failed [13:02] make[4]: *** [addons/kate/pate/sip/./kate/sipkatepart0.cpp] Error 1 [13:02] make[4]: Leaving directory '/build/buildd/kate-4.13.97/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu' [13:02] it's a python [13:03] oh sheesh [13:08] Riddell: it is possible pykde4 was not yet built? [13:09] nope pykde4 installs fine in the build log [13:10] bleh [13:13] trying in a chroot [13:22] uh, a heisencompile, it failed here for when I then ran make manually compiled [13:28] Hiyas all [13:43] hmm, I can get kate to build by running dh_auto_build twice [13:43] do I really want to put that hack into the packaging? [13:43] spose I have to since so much build-deps on kate [13:51] sgclark: so you're on korundum, I uploaded kate, perlkde is rebuilding, and I think it's all good [13:54] sgclark: I don't think there's any issues with smokekde, I just tried to add some output saying "list-missing" so it'll get picked up by our scripts [13:54] but my makefile knowledge failed [13:54] same for smokeqt [13:55] smokegen on the other hand I've no idea why our scripts pick that up since it's in not-installed [13:55] Riddell: actually I have a series of fails due to missing depend on soprano ruby in smokekde [13:55] I thinkk [13:55] sgclark: right soprano went away with nepomuk [13:55] not-installed is a dhmk feature. So rather delete the file in override_dh_install or so [13:56] sgclark: what fails? [13:56] hmm perlkde not happy [13:56] probably due to soprano [13:57] Riddell: konumdrum linked by target "rubysoprano" = fail [13:57] sgclark: yes perlkde is needing soprano removed from .install files [13:57] god, parsing all of the stuff from ~kubuntu-packagers will take ages [13:58] apachelogger: I wonder if we can do use bzr blame to figure out patch authors if the dep3 headers are invalid [13:58] Riddell: ok, konundrum won't be quite so easy, as cmake files are looking for it [13:58] sgclark: korundum is just needing .install files fixed for no soprano too [13:58] it does not get to install files :) [13:58] sgclark: the build log on ninjas for korundum shows it all compiles fine just not installs [13:58] https://i181320047.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/181320047/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.korundum_4%3A4.13.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=49d5075fb5be0d01583598af9588e6c4 [13:58] shadeslayer: that will yield more false positives than true positives [13:58] hm [13:59] Riddell: oh hmm, my local got messed somehow, ok fixing install files [13:59] I wonder how long it will take to run it over all of ubuntu [14:00] apachelogger: fwiw I also get funky stuff like : "INFO: parsing juk"/ [14:00] with the extra / [14:00] huh [14:00] "INFO: parsing qt5"- [14:00] sgclark: I'll look at kde-l10n and also start prepping for upload to archive [14:00] sgclark: if you'll take perlkde too that would be lovely [14:01] Riddell: yep [14:01] quite like how python takes 30 MB's just for fetching all the branches, but ruby takes 3 MB's to branch and parse files [14:01] ..don't..tell..that..to..harald [14:02] -> falling in love with ruby [14:10] shadeslayer: that's not from me is it? [14:10] that would be me [14:10] shadeslayer: u saying you get any random garbage? [14:10] oh [14:10] ohhh [14:10] apachelogger: sometimes [14:10] yeah [14:11] apachelogger: which is weird [14:11] you should drink less [14:11] why [14:11] no reason to [14:11] shadeslayer: I don't see how to be honest [14:11] apachelogger: yeah me neither [14:12] I think you are imagining things :P [14:12] apachelogger: could be python fucking up shit [14:12] meby [14:12] but [14:12] lies [14:12] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924318/ [14:12] puts makes a newline [14:12] so it would be weird [14:13] apachelogger: line 189 [14:13] ah [14:13] I think I'm using pp [14:13] pp "INFO: parsing #{package}" [14:13] ah [14:13] what [14:13] shadeslayer: you run the ruby thing through a python thing? [14:13] yes [14:13] yeah, I'll blame python then [14:13] :p [14:14] shadeslayer: how so btw [14:14] getting branch list? [14:14] yes [14:14] don't want to use static list [14:14] I always wondered if I have enough motivation to clone launchpadlib :P [14:14] I never do [14:14] I'd love that :3 [14:14] launchpadlib in ruby would be 1 bazillion times faster [14:15] probably [14:15] at least use less mem [14:15] anywho, it probably wouldn't be hard, just a matter of finding the right gem for the job [14:15] apachelogger: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64q/ruby.php disagrees though [14:15] yeah don't use debian ruby, it's no good :P [14:16] xD [14:16] oh gosh [14:16] they're on 1.2 [14:16] jebus [14:16] wut, nono [14:17] wut [14:17] shadeslayer: 2.1 you mean? [14:17] oh [14:17] yeah [14:17] epoch fucked with my brain [14:17] 1.2 would have been a bit weird xD [14:17] yes [14:43] feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 [14:44] Riddell: umm, this something to be concerned about? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924529/ [14:44] wat [14:44] wat [14:44] this is not [14:44] good [14:44] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924550/ [14:44] that's all I have [14:44] from parsing all our branches [14:44] which looks wrong [14:45] seems a bit busted if you ask me [14:45] sgclark: nah, perlkde always does that, I've never considered it important enough to care [14:45] ok [14:45] shadeslayer: that's your code still :P [14:46] I can tell you for sure certain that kdelibs and kde-workspace parse and they contain more than that [14:46] so it must be a problem outside the class [14:46] mitya57: we have new fix for the same topic -> https://code.launchpad.net/~zeller-benjamin/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-ubuntudevice-qmlprojects2/+merge/229237 would you be kind to merge it in? [14:46] my screen is currently glitching [14:46] moment [14:46] oh huh [14:47] running krunner fixed it [14:47] lol [14:48] hm [14:48] apachelogger: kde-workspace doesn't parse at all for me [14:48] oh [14:49] I know why [14:49] I iz stupid [14:49] Riddell: we have new fix for the same topic -> https://code.launchpad.net/~zeller-benjamin/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-ubuntudevice-qmlprojects2/+merge/229237 would you be kind to merge it in? [14:50] bzoltan: looking [14:50] shadeslayer: pft :P [14:50] Riddell: thank you [14:50] kde-workspace 0001-kwin-glx-Avoid-MSAA-configs-in-initDrawableConfigs.patch true =?UTF-8?q?Fredrik=20H=C3=B6glund?= [14:50] lol [14:51] that's from the patch actually [14:51] yeah [14:51] fun stuff [14:51] must have been a bad export from git or smth [14:51] yep [14:51] bzoltan: merged! [14:52] Riddell: sweet! Thank you. [14:53] bzoltan: note it's common pactice in kubuntu to have the name of the patch in the changelog for easy greppability, I don't think that practice has spread elsewhere in ubuntu though [14:55] Riddell: that is a smart practice. I will start using it [15:05] what [15:05] kio is at 5.0.0-1ubuntu2 [15:05] that looks very wrong [15:05] er 5.0.0a-1ubuntu2 [15:22] Riddell: those two are done, gonna head out for a few. If you need me for anything email me. [15:24] groovy [15:29] apachelogger: fails to run on kdepim-runtime-13.10 [15:29] ubuntu-patch-parser.rb:59:in `strip': invalid byte sequence in UTF-8 (ArgumentError) [15:30] GenericName[zh_CN]=Akonadi æ<89><98>ç<9b><98>å·¥å<85>· [15:30] fun [15:40] shadeslayer: non-utf8 you'll likely need to rescue to take note of [15:41] apachelogger: yeah, but non-utf8 is only in content [15:41] I don't know why it even crashes at strip when it should have exited the loop before parsing the content [15:43] feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 [15:50] shadeslayer: it wouldn't exit if the patch is malformed that's what I detailed earlier, dep3 only asserts ---- as end of parser, so with silly patch formats it can entirely happen that the entire patch more or less is parsed as a freeform description and subsequently discarded as not valid because it had no subject/description header [15:52]