=== Logan__ is now known as Logan_ === xnox_ is now known as xnox [02:39] pitti, xnox, cjwatson: any idea what suddenly caused ppp to fail installing in ubuntu gnome livecd builds? http://pastebin.com/QcAZAZxC [02:51] why don't we have locales-all in eglibc? [02:52] nvm, found the answer [04:36] xnox: I'd presume you'd like me to file a bug about zram-config needing a init script or systemd service? [06:10] Unit193: there is one already. [06:10] Unit193: systemd zram-config units should be added. [06:13] xnox: I don't see them in bzr, but I'll trust you. Sorry for the bother, then. [06:15] Unit193: i mean, there is a bug already =) [06:15] Unit193: i don't believe it's been implemented yet. [06:16] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/zram-config/utopic/files/head:/debian/ Oh good, so I'm only silly for ignoring all bugs. :P === FJKong_afk is now known as FJKong === CodePulsar is now known as CodePulsaro === CodePulsaro is now known as CodePulsar === bschaefer_ is now known as bschaefer [06:46] cjwatson: stgraber: pitti: so in ^ ubuntu-gnome case, ppp is configured before gdm is. And pppd-dns init.d script has Required-Start: gdm. Thus, the package should depend on gdm..... which seems wrong. Should the gdm move to X-Start-After instead? [06:46] (Should-start ?!) [06:48] oh, debian dropped gdm [06:48] let me merge / upload ppp [06:48] that dependency seems wrong to begin with, why would pppd care about gdm? [06:49] debian dropped gdm ? wow [06:50] oh, the dependency you mean ... heh [06:51] stgraber: actually infinity added the gdm dep.... and change default start levels... [06:51] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7541969/ [06:52] which seems a bit silly, given that dependencies have not been used in ubuntu, until now. [06:53] I wonder if that was a mismerge [06:53] It's not mentioned in the changelog, and perhaps it just hit when some files moved around [06:53] - debian/ppp.pppd-dns: Update LSB header. [06:53] could easily have got stale [06:54] looks like it, I don't see why anyone would voluntarily introduce that delta in Ubuntu [06:56] i uploaded dropping "gdm" dep only, for now (to unbreak every image type.... cause ppp seems to be seeded everywhere) [06:56] and will chat to infinity about merging ppp (or possibly syncing) [06:57] cjwatson: it also looks like it started to link against OpenSSL, yet there are gpl v2 plugins in ppp. === ValicekB_ is now known as ValicekB [06:57] lalala [06:58] darkxst: gdm only got promoted to utopic this (early) morning, so I guess that image build didn't see that yet [06:58] cjwatson: well, openssl was a delta introduced in ubuntu?! [06:58] xnox: hm, why would ppp depend on gdm? that sounds like the wrong way around? [06:58] pitti: it's order dependant. [06:59] pitti: gnome image build is failing, because ppp is configured before gdm, yet ppp init.d script depends on gdm to be already enabled..... when it at all shouldn't really. [06:59] xnox: yeah, that init.d gdm dep sounds fishy [07:00] even if it *had* a reason to depend on a DM (can't think of any), it shouldn't hardcode a particular one [07:00] but ugh, this is network setup [07:04] xnox: That doesn't sound like the sort of thing I would have done on purpose. === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [07:04] Noskcaj, seb128: so gnome-icon-theme-symbolic 3.12 got synced yesterday, which is incompatible with our g-i-t 3.10; do we want to update g-i-t to 3.12 or delete the g-i-t-s from proposed? [07:05] pitti, is it really incompatible or is it the packaging enforcing the same serie? [07:05] seb128: I suppose it's mostly just the dependencies [07:05] or asked differently, can we tweak the depends [07:05] who did sync it? [07:06] Noskcaj? [07:06] xnox: if there are GPL plugins, then I can certainly see a case for either converting to GnuTLS, or for reverting the change in 2.4.5-5.1ubuntu2 and reopening bug 643417; but I haven't investigated [07:06] seb128: dholbach, sponsored for Noskcaj [07:06] bug 643417 in Debian "[needs-packaging] ppp-2.4.5-eaptls-mppe" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643417 [07:06] xnox: Or at all... [07:06] seb128: but anyway, my question was rather if we generally move 3.12 wards [07:06] pitti, we do the usual "safe updates are fine, updates that are disruptives should be hold on in a first time" [07:07] xnox: When are you claiming this change crept in? :P [07:08] pitti, not sure how much they changed the icons, I know they are merging symbolic in the main theme, but that might be 3.13 only [07:08] xkill [07:08] oops [07:10] infinity: well, you were last merging it (and kept lsb-headers change that introduces gdm dep). the openssl build-dep was added after. [07:20] xnox: you broke Ubuntu! [07:28] pitti: colord tag debian/1.2.0-2 in collab-maint git should be ready to upload to sid. [07:33] xnox: Fair enough that I didn't drop the delta, but it's been there since jaunty, looks like. Blame Keybuk. ;) [07:43] infinity: haha =) [07:50] Trying to boot and stuck on 'Stopping Click system level hooks'. Though i get the feeling this isn't the real problem [07:50] Any way i can get more verbose? [07:50] heh, I was about to ask about that as well [07:50] I already removed quiet from grub [07:50] xnox, pitti, infinity: have you bricked utopic? ;-) [07:51] :) [07:51] * brendand takes heart that it's not just him [07:51] right, being worked on [07:51] pitti, any workaround to boot my machine again? [07:52] seb128, safe mode [07:52] I want X [07:52] seb128: ironically, init=/lib/systemd/systemd [07:52] I'm in safe mode [07:52] seb128, start lightdm [07:52] brendand, my fs is ro in safe mode [07:52] pitti, danke [07:52] or do what pitti says [07:52] yeah, that's what I'm doing [07:52] Usually the right answer :) [07:53] seb128 - where do i set that option? [07:53] brendand, grub I guess [07:54] boot with holding the shift key, then edit Ubuntu [07:54] pitti - on the 'linux' line? [07:55] yes [07:56] brilliant! [07:56] pitti, works, danke! [07:56] Pitti - if i were in Malta i'd buy you all the beers [07:56] you mean kill us all because we broke utopic :) [07:58] pitti, well if you want to take the blame [07:59] pitti - then maybe there can be some poison in the beers :) === brendand_ is now known as brendand [08:01] pitti, now i'm curious what happened [08:06] seb128, brendand: found an easier trick [08:07] pitti, seems pretty easy to me :) but tell me anyway === pitti changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Utopic boot broken: touch /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering (in rescue mode) | Archive: Open | Devel of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ | #ubuntu for support and discussion of lucid -> trusty | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pi [08:08] pitti, danke [08:08] pitti, ah rather than changing to systemd [08:09] either works [08:09] pitti, is one 'safer' than the other? [08:09] brendand: let's say I can't fully guarantee that the .legacy-bootordering trick does not have less obvious side effects, like starting some init.d scripts twice [08:11] pitti, i'll stick with systemd then [08:11] until that breaks too :) [08:12] pitti I have no idea what you mean by gdm only got promoted to utopic? gdm has been there all along [08:13] darkxst: I mean from utopic-proposed [08:14] it's pitti's secret plan to push us to start using systemd! [08:15] pitti: That pushed "Patch Pilots:" off the end, FYI. [08:16] seb128, yes the merging of symbolic icons is only for 3.13 [08:17] darkxst, is g-i-t-s working fine with g-i-t 3.10? are the 3.12 update changing anything obvious visually/likely to create issues? [08:19] Unit193: I know; -EDONTCARE for now :) [08:19] so, sysvinit uploaded with panic fix [08:19] Sounds great. :) === pitti changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Utopic boot broken; wait for sysv-rc 2.88dsf-41ubuntu15, boot with init=/lib/systemd/system in the meantime | Devel of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ | #ubuntu for support and discussion of lucid -> trusty | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/l === pitti changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Utopic boot fixed in sysv-rc 2.88dsf-41ubuntu15, boot with init=/lib/systemd/system until then | Devel of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ | #ubuntu for support and discussion of lucid -> trusty | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch [08:21] seb128, I haven't actually tested the 3.12 icon themes against 3.10, but I don't think there were any major changes for 3.12 [08:21] seb128, brendand: please remember to remove /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering after you got the new sysv-rc [08:22] stgraber set the fast-track flag for that so that we don't have to wait for $WORLD autopkgtests [08:22] pitti, I didn't do that, just changed the init line ... do you want me to test that upload to see if it restores boot for me? [08:22] seb128: if you wish, sure [08:22] pitti, can you check the current topic as /lib/systemd/system is a directory, and the kernel cannot boot that === pitti changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Utopic boot fixed in sysv-rc 2.88dsf-41ubuntu15, boot with init=/lib/systemd/systemd until then | Devel of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ | #ubuntu for support and discussion of lucid -> trusty | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patc [08:22] apw: thakns [08:22] * pitti tosses apw a "d" [08:22] pitti, :) [08:24] pitti, i didn't touch that. init= did the trick for me [08:24] brendand: right [08:24] I changed the topic to avoid people having to clean up that file [08:24] not quite the way I intended people to try systemd though :) [08:24] pitti, so you _claim_ [08:24] pitti, well the test passes ! [08:25] so we already broke everyone by just re-syncing to Debian's sysvinit, which isn't even close to upstart/systemd [08:29] pitti, that sysvinit update fixes my boot, thanks! [08:37] I just sent an u-devel@ mail about it [08:44] can't checkout unity-lens-files from bzr, anyone knows what's wrong? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7542487/ === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:09] pitti, seems like my main machine refuses to boot with systemd init :( [09:12] darkxst: so use the .legacy-bootordering workaround? [09:14] pitti, I installed the sysv update which fixed things [09:15] pitti, but I couldnt even get as far as a VT when booting with systemd ;( [09:23] pitti, slangasek, i think we need to talk about the custom upstart helpers we have on the phone ... i.e. we have an upstart bridge that talks to the container to read/set android properties ... can systemd offer us the same ? who will have to port it etc ... [09:25] ogra_: yes, and that is not on the roadmap for 14.10 [09:25] is there any sort of documentation on actually using click (as a command line tool). like for creating click packages, installing them, etc === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [09:27] brendand: 'man click'? :) [09:28] slangasek, sort of [09:28] slangasek, oh, i thought there were plans to switch the default ? [09:28] slangasek, i'll see how far i can get with that [09:28] ogra_: not for the phone [09:28] would we have too special case the phone to keep upstart ? === tedg is now known as ted [09:28] *to [09:29] (we currently just inherit ubuntu-minimal) [09:29] ogra_: we're only switching to systemd by default opportunistically in 14.10 if it's stable, and not for the phone because it would be disruptive to RTM [09:30] ah, super then ... [09:30] thanks ! === ted is now known as tedg [09:56] can anybody please retry this one? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sandboxgamemaker/2.7.1+dfsg-2build2/+build/6044192 [09:57] seems blocking the libenet7 transition [09:57] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cube2/0.0.20130203+dfsg-1build1/+build/6044206 [10:19] pitti, THANK YOU! (re: sysv-rc) === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [11:31] can someone tell me what I need to do to recreate the /isolinux/bootlogo gfxboot archive [11:34] RAOF: hmm - I just see 1.2.0-1 in colord git, but that's already in exp? [11:35] goarilla: That's built by the gfxboot-theme-ubuntu source package - "make installdir" there [11:35] ok, here's a list of the problem dependencies on 14.10, http://privatepaste.com/794db390e0, wonder if any devs are looking at this? === evfool__ is now known as evfool === _salem is now known as salem_ === evfool__ is now known as evfool [12:31] RAOF: uploaded [12:38] pitti: Huh. Experimental? [12:38] RAOF: oh sorry; the previous one I looked at was against experimental and I didn't look hard enough at the new changelog [12:39] RAOF: so, -3 then? :-/ [12:39] pitti: I guess so :) [12:39] Would you like to do that? [12:39] RAOF: can do [12:51] pitti, I'm looking at your post in the devel forum https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-May/038333.html, but i'm not having boot problems, only upgrade problems, this what gets written to /var/lib/insserv/run-20140529T0840.log , http://privatepaste.com/ac2b0e2233 , any suggestions? [12:53] pitti, this the dependency error, http://privatepaste.com/794db390e0 [13:00] BluesKaj: that was fixed in udev 204-10ubuntu7, do you have that? [13:03] BluesKaj: right, your second pastebin shows it's ubuntu6 [13:07] pitti, muon shows I have 204-10ubuntu5 installed, but upgradeable [13:08] xnox: pad.ubuntu.com/init.d-task-check [13:08] pitti, upgrade it or will it fail ? [13:09] BluesKaj: upgrade shold be fine === tedg is now known as ted [13:09] RAOF: -3 uploaded FTR [13:09] pitti: Much ta [13:10] pitti, it won't mark for upgrade, fails [13:14] pitti, looks like I'm caught in dependency hell [13:18] BluesKaj: hang on, I'm just fixing someone else's box with that problem [13:20] ok pitti np, thanks {) [13:21] BluesKaj: so what I did here was to apt-get download libudev1 udev, then sudo dpkg -i those, then run apt-get -f install a few times [13:37] pitti, not installing dpkg: error processing package initscripts (--configure) [13:40] same with sysv-rc systemd and libpam-systemd:amd64 , ran -f install several times after dpkg install [13:53] infinity: hey, is procps installed in the buildds? [13:55] xnox: killed from -proposed [13:55] pitti: tah. [14:03] looks like I'm jammed up in the dependency vicious cycle :\, pitti afraid the udev and libudev1 wouldn't install [14:04] BluesKaj: you need to do apt-get download / dpkg -i, apt won't help :/ [14:04] I used dpkg -i [14:05] pitti: is utopic broken again ? :( [14:05] pitti: http://paste.kde.org/phcz8yo9s [14:05] shadeslayer: not as long as you have udev >= ubuntu7 [14:06] * shadeslayer checks [14:06] shadeslayer: that's -proposed, procps ubuntu4 just got removed [14:06] shadeslayer: yes, ubuntu4 is known-broken [14:06] ok [14:06] pitti: ok, I'm using proposed in my pbuilder [14:06] shadeslayer: should clear up in some 20 mins [14:07] cool :) [14:07] pitti: xnox: wgrant: chroot problems again https://launchpadlibrarian.net/176554996/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.hud_13.10.1%2B14.10.20140529.1-0ubuntu1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz [14:08] is that known? [14:08] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#procps [14:08] rsalveti: we know, it's fixed, waiting for archive. [14:08] xnox: great, thanks [14:08] rsalveti: "fixed" procps is removed from the archive, waiting for publishing cycle. [14:12] pitti, http://privatepaste.com/ea827304ed [14:13] wgrant: well, pitti removed the package from the archive already [14:13] We're getting good at that :) [14:14] wgrant: =)))) [14:14] Testing obscure Soyuz corner-cases! [14:14] It's just QA. [14:14] wgrant: adt testing has caught it, so it wouldn't migrate to -release and break either system or buildds permamentaly. [14:14] Aw :( [14:14] wgrant: no surgeries required this time around [14:15] :( === dannf` is now known as dannf [14:15] slangasek: it wasn't dependency problem, it was the fact that in TARGETS the name of the "script/job" was listed, even though it has no dependencies and it's a task in upstart. [14:15] xnox: ah. Well, insserv knows nothing of upstart [14:15] slangasek: upstart-tasks with no reverse-dependencies should be in TARGETS, since unlike debian we do not support sysv-init boot. [14:16] insserv and startpar are two separate pieces [14:16] (reverse-initd-dependencies) [14:16] slangasek: hm. ok. [14:16] slangasek: let me look into startpar. [14:16] yup, and I'm stuck in between [14:17] slangasek: the alternative is to remove upstart-task jobs, if there is an init.d script..... and just use init.d script [14:17] xnox: so...when a package only has an upstart job, and the user is using systemd, the debhelper stuff explodes when invoke-rc.d is run... [14:17] mdeslaur: fixed in ubuntu6 debhelper upload + needs rebuilds. [14:18] mdeslaur: e.g. kernel needs rebuild because of linux-cloud-tools-common [14:19] xnox: that fix won't work [14:20] well wait, let me look at it again [14:21] mdeslaur: if, and only if init.d script is exucatable -> run update-rc.d [14:21] mdeslaur: invoke-rc.d can be run against any of upstart/sysvinit/systemd [14:21] (and well should be run) [14:22] xnox: if there's only an upstart job, and systemd is running, invoke-rc.d gets called with start, but then fails because there is no systemd job [14:22] mdeslaur: yes. [14:22] mdeslaur: that's intentional. [14:23] uhm, why? [14:23] mdeslaur: the package shouldn't be considered configured until the service is started; the service cannot be started because it's not supported on the running init [14:23] mdeslaur: well, not intentional. but current status quo, with the fact that systemd migration has not been complete and ubuntu, unlike debian, has allowed adding upstart jobs without shipping an init.d script. [14:23] so it needs to be fixed to integrate [14:23] mdeslaur: the fix is to either ship init.d script + upstart job, or to ship init.d script + systemd + upstart [14:24] slangasek, xnox: ah, ok, thanks [14:24] mdeslaur: currently we don't support shipping just systemd units or (systemd unit + upstart job) [14:25] rsalveti: shadeslayer: chroots should be fine now. [14:25] love it. to move from one init to another init we need to support a third init that we dropped absolute yonks ago.. [14:26] I'm confused why that's a requirement [14:26] it's a requirement for Debian; shouldn't be for Ubuntu [14:26] sarnold: we never dropped it absolutely..... upstart execs rc at both boot, each of the runlevel, and shutdown. [14:26] slangasek: at least dh_installinit doesn't support it at the moment. [14:26] sarnold: we can ship upstart + systemd [14:26] slangasek: although maybe it's achieved with dh_systemd, not sure. [14:27] mdeslaur: i didn't try doing that yet. [14:27] xnox: which piece is unsupported? [14:27] oh, sorry, yeah, that's what xnox said [14:27] update-rc.d not being called? [14:27] slangasek: invoke-rc.d start is not called by dh_installinit alone. [14:27] slangasek: unless one must use dh_systemd, which i am not familiar with, and maybe that does something else..... [14:28] xnox: still waiting for sync to mirror :) [14:28] mm [14:30] sarnold: rather we try to support both upstart & systemd at the same time. And then involves extra work to integrate startpar. [14:31] *grumble* [14:32] xnox: I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be mean, I surely haven't looked at it as much as you, it just caught my fancy that we've got to add an old sysv script to make this transition happen.. [14:32] mdeslaur, why do you grumble ? at least there are no security issues on a system that does not boot [14:34] sarnold: it is hallarious. In a way migration to upstart never actually was completed =) thus it's all just one big multi-year transition =))))))))))))))))))))) [14:34] ogra_: I'll just symlink my init.d script to /sbin/halt [14:34] +1 [14:35] mdeslaur: emacs; /sbin/halt =)))) [14:38] BluesKaj: well yes, dpkg -i takes a .deb file, not a package name; so sudo dpkg -i libudev1_*.deb [14:38] xnox, you sure that shouldnt be systemd-emacs ? [14:39] ogra_: you better be touching wood right now [15:23] ok, only took me 3 hours to give up on trying to get normal login to work by hacking upstart scripts, and just hack tty[2-5].conf to start on local-filesystems [15:25] ah goodie, so now that i can log in i can read email and see pitti's email :) [15:31] really i don't know why /etc/ttyn.conf don't always start on local-filesystems. think i'll keep it that way here [15:34] pitti, thanks for your help, there were some rc.d warnings, but all sems fine now :) [15:36] on 2 machines btw === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [16:34] so is the fact that today lxc upgrades keep complaining that /etc/init.d/lxc-instance does not exist also related to the utopic init scrits change? [16:34] or did i just mess myself up somehow [16:34] oh, perhaps related to what xnox said above [16:35] hallyn: yes, lxc needs a no-change rebuild w/ current debhelper [16:35] do i need to push that as a new source version, or can that be triggered another way? [16:36] oh actually i get mine from the ubuntu-lxc ppa anyway. stgraber can you force a rebuild there? [16:36] i'll see if the version in archive actually dtrt === ted is now known as tedg [16:50] hallyn: if binaries have been published in the archive (doesn't matter which pocket), then you need to do a new upload with a bumped version number. "dch -R" does the right thing I think. [16:51] (if you need to) [16:53] The same applies in a given PPA, too. You can't have new rebuilt binaries with the same version as previously published binaries in a given archive. [16:57] yeah i know how to do it tha tway, seemed plausible there'd be some switch which a few people could pull when it needed to be done at scale :) [17:00] though actually -R doesn't seem to dtrt... (will do it manually) [17:05] At scale: "dch -R" in a for loop is what I think everyone does :) === andreas__ is now known as ahasenack === tedg is now known as ted === ted is now known as tedg === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [17:30] rbasak: you ppl trusting your gpg agnets... :) [17:30] rbasak: i do wonder why dch -R didn't work for me. it just bumped the version # as usual [17:30] i mean, i prefer to choose by hand anyway, just wondering... [17:31] hallyn: AIUI, for a no change rebuild of a synced package, it should append build1 (or bump to build2, etc). And for a package with an Ubuntu delta, then the ubuntu1 will get bumped to ubuntu2 etc. [17:31] Then everything else (eg. autosyncs) behave right [17:32] So maybe it needed to just bump the version, if you already had an Ubuntu delta? [17:37] hm [17:38] i guess that makes sense, except it's not as informative... but thx === roadmr is now known as roadmr_afk === tedg is now known as ted === ted is now known as tedg === timrc is now known as timrc-afk === roadmr_afk is now known as roadmr [20:22] My 14.10 install is now stuck at the [20:22] "checking disk" part of startup [20:23] Is this a known issue? [20:25] Noskcaj_: seen this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-May/038333.html [20:26] sarnold: Yeah, I've already tried the first workaround, wasn't sure it was related [20:26] Noskcaj_: ah, okay :) [20:36] It says boot into resuce mode. How do you do that? [20:37] shift at the grub menu, choose the rescue option from the advanced menu [20:38] if your grub doesn't have it, add recovery nomodeset to the kernel command line [20:39] ok [20:39] recovery mode? === roadmr is now known as roadmr_afk [21:37] jpds, There's a new upstream git change for efitools, is it worth packaging? http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/jejb/efitools.git/commit/?id=c33fc28e6be00ac0bfae7fcff48170830a4730d8 === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === roadmr_afk is now known as roadmr [23:24] Forgot to put a dest in dput again, I need to change 'ubuntu' from being default. >_> [23:26] The Stats page for myapps.developer.ubuntu.com indicates that i have 17 downloads of my app, and it shows a pie chart breakdown by country, but the line graph at the top of the page doesn't have any data in it [23:26] Is that correct behavior? === roadmr is now known as roadmr_afk [23:58] Unit193: I'm disappointed in you