=== rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter === TheDrums is now known as DalekSec [03:24] hey valorie [03:26] hi ahoneybun_ [03:26] how are you? [03:26] valorie: pretty good is the house work done? [03:26] YES! [03:26] nice [03:26] lovely bathrooms [03:27] I'm on manjaro right now [03:27] I feel like I'm in a resort every time I use one of them [03:27] lol [03:27] nice [03:27] that's a child of what I started with in linux: Mandrake [03:27] eons ago [03:27] I think..... [03:28] manjaro is based on arch [03:30] ah, OK [03:31] The only think I know about arch is that the way they treated the python -> python3 change is totally insane. It's enough to convince me never to go near it or anything derived from it. [03:31] using KDE [03:31] I has amazing auto hardware setup [03:31] as good as ubuntu [03:32] on the good side, arch has *great* wiki documentation [03:32] yep [03:32] on the other side, the attitude of many arch users is less than good [03:33] omg KDE on here is fast! [03:33] in #amarok or #kde [03:36] g2g to bed [03:39] sweet dreams, ahoneybun_ [03:39] nice to see you [05:25] shadeslayer_: Please look at python-qt4 in Debian and tell me if the QString patch in the newest upload solves the problem the patch you added in Ubuntu solves. [05:25] Also, please send that stuff upstream. [05:26] (assuming the answer turns out to be no) === ovidiu-florin_ is now known as ovidiu-florin [06:36] apachelogger: aye it's a bricht braw mornin richt enough [06:43] good morning [07:00] Good morning. [07:55] utopic meeting today! [07:55] yofel, apachelogger: where is it? [07:56] I wouldn't be against just using google hangouts, it's probably easier than setting up mumble [08:00] Riddell: I have not heared back from yofel yet, we might just install it on qa.kubuntu I reckon [08:00] that can be tricky too. I reset mumble on kyofel.dyndns.org if someone wants to try. [08:14] yofel: seems to be working, nobody here! [08:18] can you say again what settings? [08:18] * valorie starts mumble [08:18] hmmm, connection refused [08:19] shoot, this is the application that needs the USB headset [08:20] * valorie failed at testing in time.... [08:22] so, I have Yofel's server and Kubuntu, which tries an ec2 [08:22] neither connect [08:23] valorie: what happens when you connect to kyofel.dyndns.org ? [08:23] refused [08:24] oh, let me check [08:24] yay! [08:27] image of new Breeze artwork, I like how it has a kubuntu icon in the corner http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/11/loving_it.png [08:31] apachelogger, yofel: mumble works for me and valorie [08:31] thank you! [08:31] *thumbs up* [08:31] tty soon [08:38] Riddell: the pic is just a concept or it shows how plasma-next looks like atm ? [09:01] ScottK: re Python Qt4 qstring, already sent upstream [09:06] apachelogger: got a notepad for the meeting or shall I kick off https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-utopic ? [09:09] Riddell: feel free to kick [09:13] Do we have firefox 28 or 29 on the new Kubuntu 14.04? [09:15] ovidiu-florin: -release has 28 -update has -29 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox [09:15] ok [09:15] Riddell: thank you. [09:16] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNUGebxE2Qk#t=15 he complained that the release announcement sayd 28 and he has 29 [09:16] so I wanted to check on that [09:20] yeah it's been updated, going against all the UI freezes etc as firefox likes to do [09:26] hrm, I just discovered "kepas". Interesting thing, perhaps we should feature different kde apps that arent used so often, mabe once a month? anyone else want to volunteer to also write an article, maybe once every 3 months on a rotating basis ? [09:26] * apachelogger has a strong suspicion that pam-kwallet should have been named libpam-kwallet [09:26] jussi: kepas is unmaintained since forever [09:27] apachelogger: ok, fair enough, but thats not the point... [09:27] we're using boost 1.55 for utopic correct? [09:27] (so if its unmaintained, why is it still in the repos) [09:27] jussi: hasn't been updated in forever [09:27] since precise [09:27] because no one removed it and because we have no policy because the council refuses to accept the proposed policy [09:28] so.... both questions still stand [09:28] apachelogger: remind me of which policy we are talking about ? [09:28] the one dubbed "Dead Upstream" :P [09:30] apachelogger: did you propose it somewhere that I have missed? link ? [09:32] http://markmail.org/thread/nu662wpkje7qdvas [09:36] Riddell, ovidiu-florin: updating release page to not mention a version? ;) [09:37] on that note, in the future we should keep versions out of it altogether [09:37] apachelogger: or just say 28< [09:37] it's not like anyone cares [09:37] or 28+ [09:37] :P [09:38] no version! [09:38] I kinda pulled the separation out my nose this time around [09:39] for the unicorn we should do this proper... the news itself should not mention versions (except for maybe the workspace itself, though even there I find it confusing) [09:39] then there's the technical release notes page where we mention versions and all that rubbish [09:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu [09:42] Riddell: you may want to carry agenda items to the notes http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Meeting [09:44] * apachelogger sighs at the amount of cards [10:23] 'Morning all [10:26] Riddell, shadeslayer_: bug 1317036 ... updater to dep on discover or new common package? [10:26] bug 1317036 in muon (Ubuntu) "muon-notifier uses icon in muon-discover package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317036 [10:26] s/updater/notifier actually [10:26] (note: the long term goal is to actually have notifier start discover and use that exclusively for updates as well) [10:28] shadeslayer_: were you able to reproduce bug 1315670 btw [10:28] bug 1315670 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "KDE driver manager hangs on 81% when installing nvidia drivers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1315670 [10:28] nope [10:28] re 1317036, SRU dep on discover, make common package for utopic [10:33] * apachelogger manipulates nvidia deb [10:35] hurray, I can make dolphin crash [10:36] so even though dolphin runs on neon5, it doesn't actually work with sftp [10:36] yeahhhh .. doesn't work with local files too -.- [10:36] apachelogger: ^^ [10:37] shadeslayer_: kdelibs4 dolphin? [10:37] yep [10:37] oh [10:37] wat [10:37] wait [10:37] wat [10:37] it wouldn't [10:38] I have a dolphin in /opt/p-n [10:38] in a neon5 env that would try to use kf5 slaves [10:38] whut? [10:38] shadeslayer_: well, ported? :P [10:39] apparently [10:39] anyway, plz uploadery http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-1.dsc [10:40] ohm [10:40] wrong version [10:42] good thing I didn't have my build&dput command in the history [10:42] http://i.imgur.com/OP8H8id.png [10:42] I do wonder if that is really from the debconf gui [10:42] apachelogger: is that from driver-manager? [10:43] no [10:43] http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc [10:43] ./muon/TransactionWidget.cpp: "A new version of the configuration file " [10:43] not debconf [10:44] hm [10:44] :O [10:44] come to think of it [10:44] ah [10:44] ./libmuon/backends/ApplicationBackend/ApplicationUpdates.cpp: "A new version of the configuration file " [10:44] all good ^^ [10:44] well [10:44] not really, there's at least duplicated strings [10:44] but at least it works with discover ^^ [10:45] misarchitectured library I feel [10:45] ^^ [10:45] clearly there's need for libqapt-gui [10:45] although [10:45] technically you won't even need that I guess, the strings would just be delivered from qapt [10:46] if the transaction states contain sufficient amount of data creating a suitable GUI should be plenty cheap [10:46] afaic(ould)t I just had to pass debconf-kde some temp path and connect debconf to the transaction and it would supposedly just work [10:46] that's not debconf [10:46] that's an apt builtin [10:47] so that needs separate handling [10:47] well, apt/dpkg really [10:47] dpkg detects that the md5sums don't add up anymore and doesn't know whether to keep the user version or install the new version from the package [10:48] debconf pretty much bypasses dpkg by simply blocking the maintscripts until debconf is done [10:48] Uploading milou_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [10:48] Successfully uploaded packages. [10:48] shadeslayer_: mh [10:49] shadeslayer_: you stole the transaction state strings didn't you :P [10:49] yes :3 [10:49] I think you forgot to steal the conflict handling :P [10:49] that's the same file actually [10:49] along with untrusted and media change xD [10:50] * apachelogger ponders factoring transaction handling into a different class and squints a bit [10:51] also, how do we best resolve this for 14.04 :/ [10:52] apachelogger: I had a very quick look at your meta mail. seems like it got held up on one point, so the whole freight train stopped. Ill add my opinions later today [10:52] ScottK: mind accept milou from source/binary new? [10:55] shadeslayer_: that muon code is giving me a headache [10:55] all I can think about right now is lunch [10:56] except that everyone's in the plasma hangout so we can't go for lunch :O [10:56] * apachelogger throws a keyboard [10:57] * apachelogger squints some more [10:57] shadeslayer_: I don't think discover handles this correctly either [10:57] or updater for that matter [10:57] so where did that dialog come from [10:57] it appears to me there's no code wiring up the signal to the slot [10:57] shadeslayer_: muon [10:57] ah ok [10:57] for reference I always go to muon ^^ [10:59] I see what you mean [11:01] * apachelogger has very patchy ideas [11:05] apachelogger: yeah, best way to go about fix this would be to copy the error handling code from muon I guess [11:05] and then figure out what we want to do for 14.10 [11:14] http://i.imgur.com/6qUA3Wm.png [11:15] cool [11:19] apachelogger: what widget style is that btw? [11:21] curve [11:25] hmm, don't have it there [11:29] shadeslayer_: u still here? [11:29] yus [11:29] people are blocking lunch [11:29] shadeslayer_: please test driver manager trusty brunch [11:29] test case plz [11:29] also will probably leave for lunch soon [11:29] just general screwup testery [11:29] test case for the bug is veery excessive [11:44] * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/05/12/kubuntu-utopic-kickoff-meeting [11:45] shadeslayer_: Did you look at the patch in Debian? [11:48] * apachelogger wonders how lunch got more important than apachelogger [11:48] * apachelogger pushes driver manager update [11:56] Uploading kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu10_source.changes: done. [11:56] Successfully uploaded packages. [11:57] ScottK: ^ fixed file conflict handling, untrusted package query and installation from multi-media sources (floppies? :P) [11:57] * ScottK looks [12:39] hi sgclark [12:39] Riddell: good morning :) [12:39] Mamarok: have you noticed any problems with audio in 14.04? there's a few people who have commented on http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=151 [12:39] well, two [12:49] Riddell: so plasma next? also is this meeting something I should go to? [12:50] sgclark: yeah do come to the meeting [12:50] sgclark: test out mumble now [12:50] * sgclark installs mumble [12:52] Riddell: 6 hours from now? [12:52] Riddell, ScottK: muon-common should arrive in binary new within the next couple of hours (contains discover icon shared by notifier and discover) [12:52] sgclark: yes [12:52] ty [13:01] Quintasan: ping [13:01] apachelogger: pong [13:02] Quintasan: sddm? [13:03] Riddell: not so far [13:03] apachelogger: I want it in Debian as well so I asked ScottK to review what shadeslayer_ did on top of my work [13:04] ScottK: sddm? :P [13:04] * apachelogger gets outraged by the amount of cards in todo [13:04] I think two weeks ago he said he won't have time next week. === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda [13:08] hi manchicken, coming to the kickoff meeting today? [13:08] Naw, I'm at work all day :( [13:09] Quintasan: fwiw, I do not approve of stuff getting blocked on availability of reviewer [13:10] apachelogger: Uh, and what do you want me to do? [13:10] not worry about debian :) [13:10] for example [13:10] or find another reviewer [13:10] The ITP was changed to RFP because it got stuck in mentors so I figured I might ask Scott [13:11] if the policy gets in the way then do what Riddell suggested :P [13:11] Will do [13:11] Riddell: btw, have you checked back with upstream on bug 1288469 [13:11] bug 1288469 in partitionmanager (Ubuntu) "package a snapshot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1288469 [13:12] apachelogger: yep, no reply [13:12] what does the policy say about that? [13:12] * apachelogger found a tooling refactor card and cries [13:12] Riddell: dead upstream rules apply I'd say [13:13] http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Policies#Dead_Upstream_.28.28NEW.29.29 [13:13] No new release have been published in >= 6 months. [13:16] Riddell: maybe send another mail and if no response conduct viability test as described in the policy ... which would entail contacting kde-devel and/or kde-core-devel with a maintenance inquiry [13:16] so perhaps end a mail and CC kde-devel [13:17] s/end/send [13:21] sgclark: are you able to test mumble? [13:22] Riddell: yeah [13:22] Riddell: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=partitionmanager.git&a=shortlog&h=08561a38ac43ee9a5b11f40079b17b44cfa3f456 last legit commit was in august :/ [13:23] (then again I don't suppose partition managing needs that much adjustment once implemented ^^) [13:23] sgclark: on the kubuntu server? I don't see you on [13:24] Riddell: is that the name? kubuntu? [13:24] sgclark: you need to set up a new server to kyofel.dyndns.org [13:24] what country? [13:24] ty [13:25] apachelogger: yeah Andrius Štikonas was the guy who I saw who said we should package a snapshot [13:27] so I guess git reflects the non-responsiveness [13:28] * apachelogger hungry [13:28] apachelogger: get lunch! [13:29] what is the question [13:29] ohohh [13:30] I am considering introducing a new board [13:30] 'Epics' contains large cards that will likely not be implemented in one cycle or are not blocking to one particular cycle [13:31] not sure that would make them any more likely to see activity but they'd at least not clutter up the todo list for cycle specific boards [13:31] for stuff like "reengineers tools"? [13:32] for example https://trello.com/c/uelBh2rX would be such an epic card, it saw part of the desired features implemented in 14.04 but eventually did not get done entirely because it's super large [13:32] Riddell: yes, that too [13:32] https://trello.com/c/RrJZYwoM as well [13:33] it's those things that are nice to have eventually, but are not part of the target business such as fixing i18n in qapt https://trello.com/c/OZ7lDj3y [13:34] Riddell: sorry firewall issue, in there now [13:44] jmux, hello, regarding https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77128 -- i was told that http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=71f2aff7a56cef4e133abad3c2e447c76c5ee1fe goes together with an upstream fix in kde4libs/qt4 [13:44] Freedesktop bug 77128 in graphics stack "LibreOffice fails to start on KDE4" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [13:47] jmux, are you able to point be to the related kde fix, and would reverting http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=aeda478a02523cec146f6af69710f0391061db56 still be a valid option [13:54] ricotz: Well - if you revert the fix, you get those "non-painting" lo stuff back [13:57] ricotz: A fixed version is currently in libreoffice-4-2 branch 80f113efa6f60c6b3aad33128921792451f114ce - which will be in 4.2.5 [13:58] sgclark: so.. yes, plasma packages [13:58] sgclark: I guess just crack on with them [13:58] sgclark: i added the list to https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks [13:59] ricotz: Lubos made a squashed patch for 8 other patches from master [13:59] sgclark: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-build-metadata.git&a=blob&&f=dependency-data-kf5-qt5&o=plain has many of the build-dependencies [13:59] sgclark: so I guess start from libkscreen and work down [14:02] jmux, sorry for the lack of context, the issue "crash/freeze on startup" issue seems to be resolved for 4.2.4/trusty, but a user reported the issue still occurs on precise with 4.2.4 [14:02] jmux, so you are saying this still needs further changes on the libreoffice side to work properly? even with older kde4libs [14:03] ricotz: I don't know, if Björn took the same patches for Trusty and Precise. [14:03] jmux, i am backporting libreoffice to older ubuntu releases [14:04] ricotz: Yes - Lubos fixed two additional Qt4 bugs, while I was on holiday, and these resulted in additional changes to the KDE4 backend. [14:04] the new 4.2.4 dropped the mentioned revert since upstream gained some "proper" fixes which seem to work for kde on trusty [14:04] but still has issue with the kde version on precise [14:05] (i havent reproduced/tested it myseld since i dont have any kde setup around) [14:05] Well - if you have the 80f113efa6f60c6b3aad33128921792451f114ce patch, then you shoudl be fine. [14:06] jmux, alright i will check this out, thanks! [14:06] All Qt4 bugs are runtime detected by LO KDE4. As long as you don't have them applied you get the LO file pickers - everything else should work. [14:07] Riddell: ok ty [14:08] sgclark: also I made the tars so if you find problems in them like they include the wrong stuff or licences are not there then let me know [14:09] Riddell: will do [14:09] Riddell: I've pushed a "no-pch-on-arm64" commit to qt branch, that should fix FTBFS. Please upload if you can. [14:10] mitya57: whatever is this troublesome pch thing? [14:10] shadeslayer_: is neon5-201403051340.iso the latest? [14:11] that's what I get when downloading http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-latest.iso [14:11] nope [14:11] needs updating [14:12] Riddell: precompiled headers [14:12] shadeslayer_: where can I get a newer? [14:21] Riddell: thanks, let's see how it goes [15:19] apachelogger and Quintasan: No time yet. [15:20] shadeslayer_: I think I should just sync over your python-qt4 patch. Will you please check. [15:20] ScottK: can do in a bit, fixing some kcm issues at the moment [15:20] OK [15:58] !testers | sc 4.13.1 needs testing in ninjas/trusty [15:58] sc 4.13.1 needs testing in ninjas/trusty: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley for information [15:58] shadeslayer_: how't utopic? [15:58] ... how's [15:58] haven't had the chance to get to it yet [15:58] trying to fix some broken stuff [15:58] ack [15:58] I don't think it's high priority anyway [15:59] also needs a strategy for merge [16:00] yofel: Did you pull the kopete packaging fixes from bzr for trusty? [16:00] if it wasn't in -proposed then likely not [16:02] No, I didn't do a trusty upload because I figured it could wait for .1. [16:02] ok, I see what you did. I'll merge it once I'm home [16:02] hmm [16:02] * Quintasan adds ninjas and tests [16:04] yofel: Thanks. [16:28] ScottK: btw where did you get that patch from? [16:28] looks alright, seems like a derivation of Harald's patch [16:29] shadeslayer_: mitya57 pulled it from upstream. [16:29] right, I couldn't actually find a git repo tbh :P [16:29] It's hg and I don't think it's public. [16:29] I generally diff the nightly tarballs when I need stuff. [16:30] thought so [16:30] * shadeslayer_ throws a keyboard at kio tests [16:31] OK. Thanks. Synced. [16:31] ScottK: cheers [16:31] ScottK: IIRC we even had a test case to check [16:31] * shadeslayer_ searches [16:32] ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/pvk1zotzg [16:32] if that still works, all's good :) [16:48] meeting in 1 hour? [16:49] 2 [16:49] shadeslayer_: 19:00 utc is in 3 hours [16:49] blah [16:49] 2 hours [16:49] right, 2 hours @_@ [16:49] whaii :( === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [16:52] Riddell: libkscreen is ready, where do you want these? [16:52] sigh, people keep blocking my lunch and dinner [16:58] Riddell: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p8hlhv9lztlyyjl/AADmvn7nDXl3yfl4g8sMBh_8a/kubuntu-files [18:41] ovidiu-florin: ping [18:44] shadeslayer_: re milou - Why does your License: LGPL-2 description in debian/copyright talk about GPL? [18:49] shadeslayer_: Has is an end user going to know what baloo is (package description)? Also, KDE desktop is not the current term. I believe you want KDE Plasma Workspace or some such. [18:50] ScottK: must be a mistake from copying over the license [18:50] Please fix that and the package description and re-upload. [18:50] * shadeslayer_ will be on mumble in a minute, waiting for apt to finish upgrading [18:50] ScottK: anything else? [18:51] Nope. [18:51] cheers [18:56] ** meeting in 5 minutes [18:56] connected! [18:57] vgezer: coming to the meeting? [18:57] ScottK: coming to the meeting? [18:57] in 5 minutes :) [18:57] Etriaph: coming to the meeting? [18:58] ovidiu-florin: coming to the meeting? [18:58] Oh. Right. [18:58] hmmm, no gholmer here.... [18:58] was in ubuntu-meeting, right [18:58] No. [18:58] Riddell: I saw the Twitter post from Planet KDE, I don't happen to have a mic. [18:58] What's the server name again? [18:58] ScottK: kyofel.dyndns.org [18:58] Etriaph: you can still listen in [18:59] yofel: coming to the meeting? [18:59] Thanks. [18:59] Yes, I could do that. Is Mumble in the repos? [18:59] Etriaph: yep [18:59] thanks for the ping ^^ [18:59] Downloading.. [18:59] * apachelogger stumbles in with a bottle of wine [19:01] OK, I'm in to listen. [19:01] When does the meeting begin? [19:02] Should I type in IRC or in Mumble? [19:02] Etriaph: in mumble I guess to keep it in one place [19:02] textual mumbling how quaint [19:09] d_ed: http://pad.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-utopic [19:24] Mamarok: coming to meeting? [19:24] agateau: coming to meeting [19:24] ahoneybun_: coming to meeting? [19:32] jussi: coming to the meeting? [19:34] mass-ping: coming to meeting? [19:35] :) [19:46] my wine is empty [19:46] * apachelogger waves fist [19:50] Rick_Timmis: meeting! [19:53] lordievader: meeting! :) [20:11] Riddell: sure what room? [20:12] or is it mumble [20:12] we lost d_ed noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [20:12] ahoneybun_: mumblez [20:13] got it installing === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Meetery on Mumblez kyofel.dyndns.org [20:17] valorie: can you give me more details about that meeting in France? [20:17] I wanna make sure they get their coference pack [20:17] (if applicable) [20:18] jose: please ask agateau [20:18] it's his meeting [20:18] but that would be awesome [20:18] oh ok :) [20:34] shadeslayer_: http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Policies#.7Ekubuntu-members requirements adjusted [20:34] apachelogger: tomorrow, all I want to do is watch GoT and go to sleep [20:34] valorie: ping me when the docs are being talked out please, got my girl over [20:35] shadeslayer_: I am going out for drinks, might be late tomorrow :P [20:35] apachelogger: added to my TODO [20:35] tomorrow! [20:35] always with the tomorrow! [20:35] dude, late for you means 10 AM [20:35] :P [20:35] you know what time I get up right ? :P [20:35] too late, ahoneybun_ [20:36] oh right [20:36] apachelogger: always with the drinks [20:36] you slacker [20:36] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrQhv1KWAg4 [20:36] we did that a half hour ago [20:36] titanpad.com/rlEOZSMTV9 [20:36] darn [20:36] psht, I ain't no slacker, I was fixing kio today [20:47]