[00:00] well [00:00] the login to Amazon from Amarok is completely open to the buyer [00:00] do we have a version that is in-your-face yet? [00:01] sucks that the fsf is bagging on us, because of Canonical [00:01] when we are a community supported flavor [00:02] hm, it is disturbing that the article doesn't mention Unity even once [00:02] valorie: Yes. We have none of that. [00:03] and no way to respond to his blog [00:03] * valorie is not a big fan of the present-day Stallman [00:04] I give him credit for his early work, but I don't think he's helping, these days [00:04] and too often, the opposite [00:06] In this case (which is somewhat rare) I agree with him. [00:07] sure, but we're being tarred with that brush [00:07] I don't like that one bit [00:08] people still listen to him [00:08] oh well, I've got to get the post office before they close [00:09] valorie: ive heard someone say "i pay attention to stallman the way a ship's captain pays attention to a light house. good to know where it stands, but you dont want to be in the same place" [00:11] * ScottK knows who that was too. [00:11] Either that or someone that copied it. [00:16] It's hypocritical to say that Ubuntu is evil, when he earlier said that open source software, even on proprietary platforms, is a good gateway to free software ideals. At worst, this is merely the inverse of that idea. Much to do about nothing, IMHO. [00:17] Besides, didn't Ubu make the Amazon lense entirely viluntary? [00:17] *voluntary [00:17] ronnoc: It's on by default and even local searches get sent to Canonical if you haven't disabled all online lenses. [00:18] You can't turn off just the search stuff, it has to be all the online stuff in lenses or none of it. [00:18] hmmm [00:18] * ronnoc hasn't used stock Ubuntu in years [00:19] If I were to use the local search functions on Unity for $WORK, I would almost certainly immediately violate the terms of more than one consulting contract. [00:19] It's just not a serious concept for people who use computers for work. [00:20] Hence the flood of new users to Kubuntu and spin-offs like Mint [00:22] yofel: Another 4.9.4 regression (see packagers). [00:23] great... [00:23] I won't look at those today, can do it tomorrow morning [00:24] Great. [00:39] maco: agreed [01:20] Riddell: knavalbattle section should not be libs. I overrode it to games, so please fix on the next upload. The package description is a bit sparse as well ... [01:26] Riddell: debian/copyright in ksnakeduel lists the wrong copyright holders. I'll accept it, but please fix. It should also be section games. [01:28] Riddell: picimi also has the wrong copyright holders and section. Please fix it as well. [01:46] ScottK: as pykde4 requires SIP from raring - do I need to backport python-qt4 as well? or will backporting it break something as the python3 versions are different? [01:52] * yofel backports and hopes for the best [01:54] hm, I need to backport pyqt anyway [02:24] erk [02:24] Missing build dependencies: python3-all-dev (>= 3.2.3-6~) [02:24] * yofel calls it a day - good night [06:17] danimo, what do you think about use libcap-ng in icecc? [06:18] danimo, i started a patch doing that https://github.com/rbelem/icecream/tree/libcap-ng [06:20] danimo: what do you think? [06:20] * rbelem snoozes === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:02] Howdy all [14:29] dolphin patches for 4.9 are imported [16:27] yofel: Thanks. [16:30] Riddell: You have a ubiquity merge request I've asked you to review (not sure how closely you read that type of mail) [16:51] ScottK: thanks added to my todo [16:51] Riddell: Did you get my comments from my New review of your games packages yesterday? [16:53] ScottK: mm yes but I should also have that on my todo thanks [16:53] added now :) [16:53] Great. [16:59] ScottK: would you be so nice to look at the quantal backport for python-qt4 in ninjas? I have no idea what needs to be done there without breaking something. [16:59] I'll try and have a look. I'm not sure I remember. [17:00] if it's hassle to backport then it can be missed out [17:00] it needs a newer python3 version than we have in quantal [17:00] Riddell: without it we don't get pykde [17:00] not many people need the latest and greatest pykde I'd think [17:00] hm, ok, then only kate needs to be fixed to be happy with the old pykde [17:00] yofel: I'd skip it unless it's essential. [17:01] I don't know. If we don't really need the new pykde, then I would skip sip/pyqt/pykde altogether [17:01] The solution (I remember now) is the fixed dh_python3 and we don't want to mess with that in our PPA [17:01] That's best if you can manage it. [17:02] only kate is stuck in depwait, if the rest will work with the old one we're fine [17:02] IIRC most of that was driven by the switch to python3.3 and that's not relevant. [17:02] I'll remove the python stuff [17:13] I went through the 4.9.90 packages in the archive and retried everything that needed it. [17:33] ohai [17:34] ScottK: thanks for that [17:34] The ubuntu-build script is full of awesome. [17:36] :D [17:40] ScottK: apart from being awesome, it's also buggy [17:40] ~ » ubuntu-build kate raring status [17:40] powerpc: Successfully built. [17:40] nope [17:40] shadeslayer: No. That's correct [17:40] lolwot [17:40] You want the status in raring-proposed [17:40] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kate/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4046243 [17:40] ohh [17:41] it ... okay [17:41] Do what I mean, not what I say is not a bug. [17:48] I assumed it would just take the most recently uploaded version [17:50] 4.9.90 for quantal ready for testing. Noting obviously broken here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/ppa/4.9.90p.html [17:50] !testers [17:50] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan [17:50] it's in ninjas [17:51] raring ftw :P [17:51] i'm installing it here on my desktop right now. [17:54] meh, need to backport digikam [17:56] and I didn't fix the kajongg deps for quantal o.O [18:48] yofel riddell et al, if you add to !testers call "| test foofoo from barbaz" we get all the information in the hilight (: [18:49] I keep forgetting about that... [18:49] np [19:27] i have many applications appearing in gnome session, why werent these .desktop files set to appear only in KDE desktop? [19:28] which ones? Most kde applications run fine in gnome [19:29] yofel: theres many, yes but having equivalent gnome apps and als have kde apps listed shouldnt happen [19:29] simplew: Apps are generally DE independent. [19:30] No, that's fine. There are people that run amarok in gnome for example [19:30] The only things that should be KDE only are things tied to the DE/workspace. [19:30] yofel: this its confusing... [19:31] why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a use wants to override that, let him do it [19:32] s/a use/a user/ [19:32] yofel meant: "why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a user wants to override that, let him do it" [19:32] actually [19:32] yofel: unless something changed, using nautilus in KDE is a bad idea [19:32] takes over plasma-desktop [19:32] :P [19:33] atleast that's what it did 4 years ago [19:33] not sure how it's in gnome3 [19:33] but yeah, back then you needed --no-desktop [19:33] Probably takes over more now that Gnome is an OS. [19:33] yofel: :) [19:33] * yofel assumed that they took the desktop out of nautilus [19:34] wait, that's gnome-shell now, isn't it? [19:34] yofel: ? [19:34] simplew: just wondering what manages the desktop in gnome these days. In gnome2 it was nautilus. I think in gnome3 it's gnome-shell [19:35] FYI, I'm checking out the Python 3 patch for kpythonpluginfactory and will upload an ubuntu2 of pykde4 if I get it worked out. [19:35] jbicha would know. [19:36] I need to try that gnomebuntu thing one of these days [19:40] yofel: well im just poking around in gnome to see how it goes, im not an expert :) [19:41] yofel: but i thought that if there are apps equivalent in gnome to kde, that the kde apps should appear only kde [19:41] nope, the user is free to use either one [19:42] yofel: im using dolphin in gnome though... [19:43] nautilus is a mess... [19:44] and im in konversation also :D [19:56] digikam finally finished building [20:00] hah [20:00] futurama has this sound in one of their episodes which sounds exactly like my mac when it boots [20:00] *sigh* - yet another mac fan spotted [20:01] the kind that spins? [20:01] Someone should tell Apple so they can sue. Their valuable intellectual property is being tarnished. [20:02] well, that too. I meant fan as in fanboy though :P [20:02] ScottK: hehe [20:02] shadeslayer: re the notes on the pad: The polikit-qt thing with pykde is not new. [20:03] ah okay [20:03] I put it in there before I knew what the issue was [20:03] forgot to remove [20:03] apparently polkit qt is too new [20:03] ScottK: could you upload a new hupnp release? [20:04] note: the things you can ignore are documented in cmake-ignore.json in the automation folder [20:04] shadeslayer: Give me the .dsc link [20:04] ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/hupnp_1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc [20:05] yay, overwrite errors FTW -.- [20:05] oh drat, I just realized that there are new copyright years from the diff [20:05] ScottK: ^ Want me to fix those before you upload? [20:06] shadeslayer: Yes. Please. [20:06] okay, will do and send you a new link later [20:20] shadeslayer: Any luck on KTP and the gstreamer transition? [20:21] Uhh ... I asked George to email the Kubuntu Devel ML [20:21] but I guess he hasn't gotten around to it [20:22] *sigh* - you still can't restart normally after updating to 4.9.90 [20:22] ScottK: I can't comment because I don't really have an idea as to what needs to be done ... he's the best guy to answer that email [20:22] what provides the logout/shutdown/restart/etc. confirmation menu? [20:23] shadeslayer: Please follow up with him then. [20:23] yeah pinged him agan [20:23] You're our KTP guy so ... [20:23] *again [20:23] Thanks. [20:23] right [20:27] printer config seems to work, so I guess we're fine using pydke 4.9 [20:27] *pykde [20:28] anyway, except that you can't reboot after update, 4.10 works fine here in quantal [20:53] I'm copying the quantal packages to the beta ppa, we can continue the testing there [21:03] !testers | Please test 4.10 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta for quantal [21:03] Please test 4.10 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta for quantal: Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan [21:05] I just installed 4.90.* from ninjas [21:05] suffice? [21:06] yofel: The new print thing is in C++ [21:06] Tm_T: It's in raring proposed. [21:07] kdeplasma-addons won't build until we get a fixed marble. [21:08] Tm_T: for quantal? yeah, that's fine [21:08] * yofel just didn't recieve any response yet [21:09] ->sleep [21:09] nini shadeslayer [21:18] ::workspace-bugs:: [932177] XFCE (and other non-GNOME) desktops do not initialise gnome-keyring correctly / WARNING: gn... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/932177 (by Paul Bogmat) [21:41] Welll, this 4.10 beta appears to work well [21:43] Any particular test cases I need to run? [21:45] "It works" is probably good enough for the beta. But if you have a laptop, try the touchpad config and see if it still works. (Or any pykde app for that matter) === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [23:21] has anyone tried the rarin alpha? [23:21] I'm trying to install it, and so far it is stuck in the page after selecting the lang