[00:22] wow, there's a 5-day wait for PPA builds [00:23] oh right, that datacenter move === skaet_ is now known as skaet [08:45] * Riddell ponders what to put in the release team report [09:46] JontheEchidna: congrats on muon 1.4! [11:31] Riddell: thank you! [11:33] apol_: grats on 1.4! [11:35] JontheEchidna: congratulations to you :) [11:35] * apol_ congratulates himself everyday about the master ;) [11:37] JontheEchidna: btw, maybe we need a discover product in muon at bugs.kde.,org no? [11:39] Hello! I raised: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1037148 [11:39] Launchpad bug 1037148 in Kubuntu Website "Obsolete Documentation on Kubuntu Feature Tour" [Undecided,New] [11:40] hi mparillo [11:40] And JR himself invited me to join here, when I volunteered to help. Unfortunately, I do not know where to start. [11:41] I did contact the maintainer of the page, and I think he gave me permission to change it. [11:41] mparillo: oh? which maintainer is that? [11:42] I can get the real name, or even post his e-mail reply to the bug since it is not 100% clear I have his permission, but his handle was: klinger-ofir [11:42] yeah ofir made the website a couple of years ago [11:43] but got fed up with it having to go through canonical sysadmin who are slow to review changes [11:43] Ofir Klinger is his real name. [11:43] for some reason the features page is part of the website theme rather than direct content [11:43] which makes it very slow to change [11:43] Yes, he hinted at that in his e-mail. [11:45] He thought I might need to setup a bzr repo and going through a lengthy review process, but I do not know where to start. [11:48] mparillo: two possibilities [11:49] either updating the html in bzr and merging and asking sysadmin to update it [11:49] which is faffy [11:49] or working out how to make it a normal part of the site and not part of the theme [11:49] which is faffy [11:50] faffy? [11:52] with hassle [11:52] mparillo: ever used Drupal? [11:54] No. I Have hand-coded fairly simple HTML pages, and I know I could replace the obsolete text and FTP the changes back up. I would be willing to learn something about Drupal and the Kubuntu website, but I suppose I need a starting point, and an sandbox environment? [11:56] mparillo: able to use a command line? [11:56] A bit. I sudo apt-get update from time to time. [11:57] mparillo: well this [11:58] mparillo: well this will get you the theme [11:58] bzr branch lp:~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.0 [11:58] and page-node-27.tpl.php is the file to be edite [11:58] and page-node-27.tpl.php is the file to be edited [11:59] Wow, that was a lot of dependencies. [12:01] Looks as if it branched 8 revisions [12:03] I gave bzr my launchpad-login [12:03] now I see release-1.0 [12:04] actually it's the file page-node-10.tpl.php that needs editing [12:06] Thank you, I see the entire directory, and I can 'nano' the -27 file. I will work on at least updating the text, and I will come back to ask how I submit my changes back. OK? [12:07] mparillo: yeah make an edit then we'll work out how to get the changes in :) [12:07] mparillo: edit page-node-10.tpl.php [12:09] Thank you, I saw your correction earlier, I just wanted to test that I could open the file from the command line. [12:09] apol_: I knew I forgot something xD [12:10] May I ask two launchpad questions? [12:10] First, should I update my bug to say I am working on it? [12:12] jtechidna: I'll add it later then [12:12] apol_: thanks :) [12:12] interesting blog stats du jour: http://i.imgur.com/7mJgd.png [12:13] mparillo: you can set the assignee to you, and mark the status as "in progress" once you start working on it [12:14] mparillo: yes that would be a good idea [12:16] page-node-10.tpl.php will automatically just overwrite what is in the drupal CMS for /node/10 [12:16] Done, thank you. BTW, on a quick look, -10 and -27 look nearly identical. [12:16] so I think we can make a new page, copy the stuff into it, then ask sysadmin to remove that file and update the feature-tour alias [12:16] mparillo: yea I think -27 is unused [12:18] Thank you. Separately, can you look to see if I have assigned the correct package for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1019319 [12:18] Launchpad bug 1019319 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Speller Widget stays in background on Kubuntu 12.10 Daily Builds" [Undecided,New] [12:23] mparillo: it should be kdeplasma-addons but that's an upstream bug so bugs.kde.org is a better place to report it [12:23] in launchpad it's unlikely to get any attention [12:24] and that /might/ be a window management issue [12:24] I will update in launchpad and add to bugs.kde.org, thank you. [12:25] Thank you. Signing out. [12:32] ::workspace-bugs:: [1004593] LFE disappears on 5.1, 4.0 has LFE channel, high pitched squeals (bit shifting?), several ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1004593 (by Abraham Mara) [12:32] Launchpad bug 1004593 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "LFE disappears on 5.1, 4.0 has LFE channel, high pitched squeals (bit shifting?), several versions" [Undecided,Opinion] [12:39] I heard muon discover came with muon 1.4, is that right? [12:39] so how can I use that? [12:39] (12.10) [12:39] gotwig: sudo apt-get install muon-discover [12:40] jtechidna: :> [12:40] :) [12:42] its so usc like, isnt it :X? [12:43] there are similarities, yes [14:05] This is kind of awesome: http://tos-dr.info/ [14:06] +1 [14:06] :) [14:53] I have edited the Kubuntu Feature Tour Source. [14:54] mparillo: groovy, what's new? [14:54] Changing the visible text from Konqueror to rekonq and Open Office to LibreOffice. [14:55] Is there another konsole command to upload the file back in? [14:55] http://www.pcworld.com/article/261001/twitters_api_changes_whats_in_it_for_users.html looks like fun for whatever our Twitter thing is. [14:55] mparillo: bzr diff; bzr commit to start [14:58] bzr diff gives me about what I would expect, but bzr commit gives me: [14:59] bzr: ERROR: Unable to determine your name. Please, set your name with the 'whoami' command. E.g. bzr whoami "Your Name " [14:59] I already think I associated my LaunchPad ID [14:59] Or do I need to do it each session? [14:59] Do what it says. [14:59] Shouldn't. [15:02] Re-associating myself with Launchpad ID did not help, but the whoami did. Now I have a nano editing session. [15:05] mparillo: after running bzr commit [15:05] that means you should describe what the change it [15:05] is [15:05] Do I simply describe the change I am trying to check in, and then save and exit? [15:06] mparillo: yep [15:06] bzr commit Committing to: /home/mparillo/Documents/release-1.0/ modified page-node-10.tpl.php Committed revision 9. [15:07] mparillo: what's your launchpad id again? [15:08] Alas, I have two, but let's ignore that for the moment. The one that accepted the bug was marco-parillo [15:09] mparillo: ok try pushing it to launchpad bzr push lp:~marco-parillo/kubuntu-website-staging/tour-update [15:10] bzr push lp:~marco-parillo/kubuntu-website-staging/tour-update The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (91.189.90.11)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,91.189.90.11' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. Permission denied (publick [15:11] ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. [15:11] drat [15:12] mparillo: is your default ssh key the one in https://launchpad.net/~marco-parillo ? [15:12] Does bzr use some port that my company's firewall might be blocking? I can re-try from home tonight (US-Eastcoast) [15:12] it'll use port 22 [15:12] I have never tried to use ssh. [15:12] I think I did that so I could sign the code of conduct. [15:13] But, yes, I did store the public and private keys in ASCII. [15:15] mparillo: ok you can just e-mail it to me [15:15] jriddell@ ubuntu.com [15:16] I still need to decide if I want to try and fix the page properly so you don't have to do this nonsense or just tell sysadmins to commit it [15:16] Thank you. I realize you could have done this quicker yourself, but I hope over time to contribute more. BTW, can I search this IRC channel later on, say from home for all these commands you have given me? [15:17] mparillo: well it's been unchanged for a couple of years so it's fair to say we didn't do it quicker :) [15:17] mparillo: there's logs at irclogs.ubuntu.com [15:21] Thank you. I have attached the output of the diff and the new .php file to https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1037148 [15:21] Launchpad bug 1037148 in Kubuntu Website "Obsolete Documentation on Kubuntu Feature Tour" [Undecided,In progress] [15:22] mparillo: thanks that'll do [15:23] YW, and I marked two bugs as duplicates of this one. [15:23] groovy [15:25] Once again, thank you for making me a contributer. And if this goes smoothly, maybe we can do bigger things for the 12.10 launch. [15:28] mparillo: I hope so [15:28] 16:27 < xnox> Riddell: yes. The automatic partitioning is done, and you can start implementing the Qt front-end changes. [15:28] ubiquity maintainer needed ^^ [15:40] whut? [15:40] what needs maintaining? [15:40] shadeslayer: whut whut? [15:40] shadeslayer: oh ubiquity is getting new features in the gtk side, would be good to have them in the kde side [15:40] so we can get rid of alternate CD [15:40] well ... it's all python ... [15:41] shadeslayer: so what? [15:41] who maintains the kde frontend atm? [15:41] No one [15:41] That's the problem. [15:41] Riddell: I'm ... not comfy with python :P [15:41] apachelogger was the last one to touch it :) [15:41] okay ... [15:41] I'll try to read the code .... [15:42] shadeslayer: It's PyQt, so it's almost as much Qt as it is Python, not that hard. [15:42] roman shtylman is coming to visit me tomorrow, maybe I can persuade him to take it up again :) [15:42] :D [15:42] Nice. [15:42] Riddell: notify him that we miss him :P [15:42] Absolutely. [15:42] will do [15:57] i thought someone was tinkering with a QML version? [15:59] not that I know of [16:04] oh, just swore i remember seeing some screenshots, but maybe they were just mock-ups [17:23] Looking at print-manager in New. [17:38] Riddell and dantti: Bad news. Since configure-printer/PrinterOptions.cpp includes LGPL-2+openssl exception code from CUPS that license needs to be documented and that file and any files that link against it are GPL-3 incompatible (need to be GPL-2 vice 2+). So it needs a copy of the LGPL-2 in the tarball and a fixed debian/copyright. [17:38] Should be easy enough to fix, but rejecting for new. [17:40] Everything else seems fine. [18:00] ScottK: so all that configure-printer thing needs to be lgpl? [18:03] dantti: I didn't look at the code so I don't know if it's all. It can be GPL, but GPL-2 only, not GPL-2+. [18:03] dantti: BTW, thank you for honestly documenting where you got the code from. Not everyone does that. [18:04] ok [18:05] hehe, well I always try to point to the original authors if I copy important parts of code...aptcc has copyright from the aptitude author even tho most of his code inspiration is gone now :P [18:31] !find digikam.xpm [18:31] File digikam.xpm found in digikam [18:31] hm [18:32] convert digikam.xpm digikam.png [18:33] images are not c code ;) [18:33] :P [18:33] I'm just looking at bug 658047 [18:33] Launchpad bug 658047 in digikam (Ubuntu) "Update digiKam icon to default Oxygen provided icon" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658047 [18:34] probably should be fixed upstream [18:35] should be an easy sell, as upstream likes to embed external stuff [18:35] :P [18:36] this is fun, no digikam.xpm in the sources [18:36] most likely something that they do on the fly then [18:37] there is a debian/xpm.d/ [18:38] oh, I was looking at pristine upstream sources [18:38] .xpm come from the debian packages 90% of the time [18:40] * shadeslayer will keep that in mind from the next time [18:52] argh [18:52] so much for skateboarding === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [19:11] ScottK: I can't find an official ones . Do you have any unoffical one? [19:11] +s [19:11] No, but I know they don't go away, I just don't know where Debian stuffs them. [19:12] hmm [19:12] ok [19:24] I"m no good at finding them then trolling the ftps [19:27] Daskreech: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ < that maybe? [19:28] hmm [19:28] wonder why debian iso archive doesn't turn that up [19:28] *shrug* [19:34] shadeslayer: Did you package any library? [19:34] Quintasan: huh? 0.o [19:35] shadeslayer: pls look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/maliit-framework_0.90.0-0ubuntu1.dsc [19:35] If it look okay [19:35] * shadeslayer adds to todo [19:35] oh [19:35] don't then [19:35] I'll look at it tomorrow [19:35] can't do it before then [19:35] doing other stuff [19:35] I will just read the whole maintainer guide then [19:37] Quintasan: depends of maalit-framework-dev is wrong (the 0 shouldn't be there?) [19:37] hmm [19:37] yeah [19:38] the dependencies are still wip actually [19:38] the rewrote guide is sitll not clear to me [19:38] need to ask mikhas [19:38] libmaalit-plugins-dev doesn't depend on libmaalit-plugins0 [19:38] same for -quick [19:38] do you really need 3 -dev packages? [19:39] oh, qmake, my condolences [19:41] Quintasan: as for the install file: .pc stuff is pkg-config, put in -dev, and the dev .so should be in -dev as well [19:41] yofel: qmake is fun [19:41] :P [19:41] no [19:41] * Quintasan hides [19:42] yofel: according to upstream every component should have -dev package [19:42] well, it's optional but hell, if I can ship it then there are no problems [19:42] and the regex in libmaalit-plugins0 will install the lib from libmaalit-plugins-quick0 as well [19:42] well, fine with me then [19:43] yofel: as for the install files [19:43] copied them from upstream packaging T_T [19:43] ohmy [19:43] Looks like I will have to kill all of it and sort things with list-missing [19:43] hm [19:44] * yofel notices he said maalit all the time instead of maliit [19:56] * yofel goes filing bugs about muon-discover [20:15] jtechidna: you're missing a '1.4' version for muon on b.k.o [20:19] fyi there's a free vim book from amazon today [20:19] http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004JF4NOQ [20:22] urgh [20:22] the CPU requirements for the QML scrollbar are insane [21:13] shadeslayer: free if you have already bought an amazon kindle you mean? [21:13] yet another reason to prefer emacs :) [21:13] Riddell: there's a option to read it online as well [21:13] hah :D [21:14] I have yet to have a vim question that wasn't almost instantly answered via Google, so I don't see why I care. [21:15] ScottK: what if you don't have internets [21:15] oh wait [21:15] you're in the US [21:15] invalid question :P [21:15] Then reading it online helps me how? [21:15] sometimes you don't know to ask something [21:16] so a book to tell you what's available is good [21:16] I have a kindle, so I purchased it :P [21:17] * shadeslayer checks if you can download the pdf or sth [21:18] you can download the azw format, but I doubt any reader supports it [21:19] I guess makes sense only if you have a Kindle then [21:20] Riddell: http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/ydg6w/now_that_the_schools_are_back_the_take_away_place/c5ulauk?context=1 [21:24] many of us have higher opinions of the youth of the country than that poster === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [21:25] quite a political issue that, should senior schools let pupils out the grounds for lunch, since they usually buy chips and other unhealthy meals if they do [21:36] Riddell: wow, really? No one here cares about students that much :( [21:40] "obesity epidemic" a bit of a first world problem [21:40] yofel: I've just pinged the lovely folks in #kde-bugs to request a 1.4.0 version [21:41] oh, and they just added it :D [21:42] yofel: thanks for the testing, too [21:46] Since I've tendered my two weeks notice of resignation at my current employers today, I suppose I can tell you all that I'm now going to be employed by Blue Systems to work on Muon/Kubuntu things. :) [21:46] whoa [21:46] JontheEchidna++ [21:46] JontheEchidna: welcome to the group!! :D [21:46] :) [21:47] JontheEchidna: ah congrats [21:48] JontheEchidna: congrats :) [21:48] I'll do a proper blog post about that some time this weekend [21:50] JontheEchidna: ooh [21:51] oh wow [21:51] using kate to open xpm files and it's a bunch of ascii art [21:52] http://paste.kde.org/536234/ [21:53] the asciis correspond to colors [21:53] yeah [21:54] jpeg is mostly binary I believe [21:54] and I've never handled xpm's before [21:54] so this is new for me :P [21:55] why are you caring about xpms? [21:56] bug 658047 [21:56] Launchpad bug 658047 in digikam (Ubuntu) "Update digiKam icon to default Oxygen provided icon" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658047 [21:57] apparently this was fixed in digikam's packaging revision 26. [22:02] mm, and is the xpm used anywhere? [22:02] !info menu [22:02] menu (source: menu): generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.46ubuntu1 (precise), package size 434 kB, installed size 1753 kB [22:02] ^debian seems to love that [22:02] and it uses xpms [22:03] but surely gnome uses xdg menu now [22:03] I think they're still trying to pretend that Debian is desktop-neutral :P [22:03] any sane desktop has used xdg menus for years [22:04] I thought it was only fvwm or the like that needed the debian menu still [22:06] oh it's because the application icon is in the oxygen-icon-theme package [22:06] well that's just wrong [22:10] [digikam] Rohan Garg * 49 * debian/ (6 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream release * Replace icons from KDE 3 time in debian/xpm.d/*.xpm with the new versions (LP: #658047) [22:10] allee: ^ Fixed. Apparently you fixed this in maverick, but something must have gone wrong with a merge or sth [22:11] JontheEchidna: Congratulations. [22:12] Riddell: xpm is great in source format 1 packages since you can't use a 'binary' file in the Debian directory on those. [22:23] shadeslayer: even better would be to fix it upstream [22:23] hm? [22:23] but that needs some coordination of release schedules and informing packagers about overlapping files [22:24] move the icon into the digikam package where it belongs [22:24] Riddell: the current xpm files come from debian/xpm.d [22:24] upstream has no xpm files [22:24] so, should we move the xpm files upstream? [22:25] shadeslayer: there's no need for any xpm files [22:26] oh? [22:26] it's only used because the digikam icon from upstream isn't shipped with digikam [22:26] it's shipped with oxygen-theme [22:26] ah ok [22:26] which means non-kde users who install digikam don't get it [22:27] and so it falls back to the .xpm icon [22:27] but if the upstream one was part of digikam like any other application has it, it would be all good [22:27] hmm [22:28] although I wonder what other icons digikam misses if oxygen-theme isn't installed [22:28] the question is, will upstream agree to that? [22:28] One way to find out. [22:28] I don't see why he wouldn't but it may well be more effort than it's worth [22:30] there must be a reason why their icons are in the oxygen sources instead of digikam itself ;) [22:30] I think it's just artists putting it in the wrong place [22:31] I remember moving a load out of oxygen and into applications back in the day [22:37] If you assume everyone is running KDE then it doesn't matter. [22:44] I just got an error when updating in Quantal: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevplatform6-libs_1.3.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/kdev_format_source.sh', which is also in package kdevplatform5-libs 1.3.1-2ubuntu1 [22:45] * shadeslayer wonders why qemu is being idiotic [22:46] * Mamarok is off to bed, has been walking a lot today [23:49] lol [23:49] apachelogger_: https://github.com/Nava2/libqcalparser/commits/master [23:58] lol