[00:43] wgrant: ping [00:44] cjohnston: Hi [00:45] wgrant: "The only consumers I know to be buggy in this respect are [00:45] Summit and OpenStack's gerrit -- they're trying to do the mapping the [00:45] wrong way." [00:46] I'm not sure what that means about mapping the wrong way [00:46] sorry for the multi-line paste [00:47] cjohnston: An OpenID identifier has 0 or 1 Launchpad accounts, but a Launchpad account can have any number of OpenID identifiers. So it doesn't make sense to ask "what is this Launchpad account's OpenID identifier" [00:47] It does make sense, however, to ask "what is this OpenID identifier's Launchpad account" [00:48] summit and gerrit scrape the (somewhat deprecated) OpenID delegation information from the person page to attempt to answer the question that it doesn't make sense to answer. [00:48] Ok. [00:48] The delegation information isn't there for that purpose; it's just for making a pretty OpenID URL for sites that ask for it. [00:49] Now, SSO should give you the Launchpad username when someone authenticates to you. [00:49] You could use that to map [00:49] However, it's probably better in general if we add an interface to the Launchpad API which lets you look up a person by OpenID identifier. [00:49] Would that be useful for you? [00:50] Does that work/what happens when the openid identifier doesn't have a LP account? [00:50] It'll return None [00:50] And SSO won't pass a username at all [00:50] Would that then be able to forward to create an LP account? [00:50] as we require LP accounts [00:51] You can complain that they don't have a Launchpad account and give them a link to create one, same as now (I assume) [00:51] How do you determine that now? [00:51] ok [00:51] That I'm not sure [00:51] I suspect that you don't. [00:51] I assume it just throws some sort of error about not being able to login [00:51] But it's possible that you check the SSO response for the giveaway LP fields. [00:52] I think that the API change would probably work for us. [00:54] Great. [00:54] I'll just have a look around lp:summit to see what sort of stuff it needs, just in case. [00:54] Sure thing [00:55] Do you think that it would be possible to have this feature by sometime in September? [00:56] Unless something goes wrong the API should be there this week some time. We already have a very similar private one, just need to tweak and expose it. [00:56] Awesome... Thanks wgrant [00:56] I think there may even be an existing bug I can steal for it. [00:56] * wgrant hunts. [00:57] ok [00:57] If so, do you mind marking it as effecting Summit just so that we have it for tracking pelase [00:57] please === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-zz === Ursinha-zz is now known as Ursinha-zzz [02:33] wgrant, did you see my suggestion earlier perchance? [02:34] Noldorin: You could file a bug about it, but I'm not sure we generally want to make it easier for confused users to create projects. [02:35] heh true [02:35] wgrant, i'm not a confused user though!? ;-) [02:35] i just create lots of projects heh [02:35] Noldorin: Any time we try to add a link like that to make things easier, a very confused non-technical Ubuntu user uses that link to complain that their computer is broken. [02:35] So we get support requests in teams, projects, blueprints, PPAs, new user accounts, etc. :( [02:35] We have some *very* confused users. [02:36] wgrant, i don't know how anyone could construe that sort of logic :-S [02:36] hah [02:36] okay [02:36] i'll take your word for it [02:36] wgrant, maybe just keep the same page and have a link at the bottom for creating a project with that name... [02:36] admittedly that's low priority though [02:44] cjohnston: Still around? [02:45] Noldorin: Perhaps -- you could file a bug. [02:45] Noldorin: It'd be nice to have a link there, but as I said we have to balance with not further confusing already very confused users. [02:45] yeah [02:45] Noldorin: They have a habit of clicking on anything they see. [02:45] wgrant: yes [02:46] wgrant, that's the problem with linux entering the mainstream market ;-) [02:46] "problem" [02:46] wgrant, would it get implemented soon-ish though? [02:46] cjohnston: Do you have enough access to production to see what's going on with https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/198619? The delegation info on his LP page now matches his SSO identity, so now we just need to deconfuse Summit somehow. [02:46] Noldorin: Probably not :( [02:47] wgrant: no.. but i believe I know the issue [02:50] wgrant, yeah... i supposed that you launchpad folk are over-worked, hence probably not worth my submitting it [02:50] cheers for being honest at least :-P [02:52] Noldorin: Heh [02:52] cjohnston: Anything I can help with? [02:53] wgrant: I'm working with IS currently to try what I think may fix it [02:54] wgrant, on higher priority issues: when is an interface for managing Project Groups on the website coming? [02:54] Noldorin: What sort of management? [02:54] Project groups are somewhat deprecated and considered to be a bad idea, so no real work on them is planned. [02:54] wgrant, creation, deletion, editing details, adding/removing projects to/form the group ;-) [02:54] oh right [02:55] wgrant, what's the successor to them? [02:55] Noldorin: Nothing :) [02:55] Noldorin: all those things already exist [02:55] lifeless, no, not to the general user they don't [02:55] Noldorin: creation is privileged, and once the exist they can be altered. [02:55] Noldorin: Deletion and creation are restricted to Launchpad staff. [02:55] The others are indeed possible already. [02:55] right... so how do you guys recommend i structure a group of related software projectS? [02:56] Depends why you want to do that. [02:56] cjohnston: Thanks. [02:57] wgrant, because they're related and mutually complementary ;-) [02:59] cjohnston: Which chan? I'd like to follow along so I can complete my picture of how Launchpad+SSO integration goes horribly wrong. [03:04] so? [03:04] Noldorin: What do you hope to achieve by grouping them? [03:05] wgrant: PM.. [03:05] wgrant: his issue was different [03:05] kind-of [03:06] wgrant, a unified semantic description [03:06] :-P [03:06] cjohnston: Ah, k [03:06] cjohnston: But you're sorting it out? [03:07] wgrant: its sorted and fixed [03:08] cjohnston: Thanks. [03:09] cjohnston: It just doesn't automatically update after the LP page changes? [03:09] wgrant, it's like having Word, Excel, Powerpoint exist but nothing for MS Office. [03:09] :/ [03:09] wgrant: I've also noted on the question, and Steve has confirmed in #linaro that its fixed [03:10] Noldorin: can you be more specific; it might help us understan [03:10] lifeless, i thought my MS Office example was pretty good :-P [03:12] Noldorin: so, I don't understand the relevance of it. Consider that a datapoint about its efficicy in explaining your point [03:12] efficiency? [03:13] i thought the analogy was pretty obvious [03:13] there exists no way to provide a cohesive structure/grouping to projects on Launchpad [03:13] Noldorin: there does, for things that are centrally managed, which is project groups. [03:14] e.g. launchpad-project. [03:14] cjohnston: Perfect, thanks! [03:15] lifeless, yes yes, i shouldn't have said "no way". but not a means that is controllable by the average Launchpad user (software developer) [03:16] Noldorin: we used to have that, but folk make project groups that didn't make sense, lots of them. [03:17] so we made it on request, rather than directly under their control [03:20] lifeless, okay... so now at least i understand your point vaguely. what was wrong with project groups that didn't make sense though? surely that's the user's loss? [03:20] having to make admin-logged requests seems very antiquated [03:20] and bureaucratic [03:20] not that it's without reason... [03:20] that's just how it strikes me in the Internet age ;-) [03:20] the LP namespace is shared [03:21] is that something that may change in the future? [03:21] well, anything might [03:21] we have no specific plans [03:22] i notice every other project site seems to have user or team-based namespaces [03:22] and now i understand why [03:22] i suppose [03:22] so things like say, github, where projects are subordinate to people, have less concerns about namespace abuse [03:22] yes, many fewer concerns...zero effectively [03:23] look how long facebook took to bring out a shared namespace [03:24] lifeless, i'll put it this way: i don't see the benefits of a shared namespace [03:24] though obviously you've thought about this much more than i have [03:24] depends on your goals [03:25] it depends on Launchpad's/Canonical's goals more so, i think. for my purposes, user/team-based namespaces make the most sense probably [03:26] the goals of the group making the site ;) [03:27] i.e. Canonical in this case ha [03:27] case to be more specific? :-) [03:27] obviously i'm not going to influence canonical's decision... but i am simply curious [03:27] it might persuade me to keep using launchpad...or not. [03:28] the namespace was set about 6 years go :) or was it 7 ? [03:28] the namespace architecture you mean? [03:28] its been only tweaked since [03:28] I wouldn't call it an architecture ;) [03:28] 8 :) [03:29] Well, nearly 8 [03:29] More than 7 [03:29] However, I still think it makes a lot of sense. [03:29] time for an overhaul me thinks :-P [03:29] eg. I want to file a bug on some project. I know it's on GitHub [03:29] How do I find which one is the real thing? [03:29] i haven't been persuaded there's any advantage to a single global/shared namespace [03:29] Noldorin: not trying to convince you [03:30] hah, you are obdurate. [03:30] no, just doing 3 other things [03:30] i was asking you to all along. [03:30] and answering your questions [03:30] you could have at least told me that :-P [03:30] no [03:30] you evaded the most direct one [03:30] which was? [03:30] never mind, wgrant is answering them. [03:30] Noldorin: cause, I've had a half-line typed several times, and you come out with some other thing, which I then answer [03:30] wgrant, that's a fair point, but wouldn't one typically find a project's bug tracker by a link in the repo? [03:31] or whatever source distribution [03:31] i'm only elaborating on existing questions/the same point... it's not like i'm changing topics :-) [03:31] yes, but there you go again :) [03:31] * lifeless starts the line over, again [03:31] haha [03:32] do keep up ;-) [03:32] in seriousness: don't woryr [03:32] multitasking isn't easy. i think and talk at a fast pace, so this conversation was always going to be difficult i suppose! [03:32] cheers anyway [03:32] LP wants to make identifying actual projects easy [03:32] it wants to optimise the process of connecting projects to distributions [03:33] (and distros to distros) [03:33] yeah. so it's very Ubuntu-oriented, naturally [03:33] okay, that's a fair point [03:33] it means added bureaucracy in some respects still [03:33] but yeah [03:34] lifeless, when now my question is answered, so thanks. [03:35] it leaves me uneasy (i think i prefer github's namespace model) [03:35] but yeah... will ponder it over [03:35] night, folks. [03:35] I have mulled over doing a pivot to what github et al do [03:36] but not deeply enough to put a case around it or even decide if I think its a good idea [03:36] it would introduce some problems we don't have today [03:36] (e.g. what would a 'task' be on? [03:36] lifeless, well if you want feedback, or just to brainstorm, i always idle here... [03:36] does the same project name mean the same thing to different users? [03:37] but yeah, another time. i need sleep now i'm afraid! === Adri2000 is now known as Guest74775 === Ursinha-zzz is now known as Ursinha === danilo_ is now known as danilos === jml` is now known as jml === czajkowski changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: czajkowski | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | For packaging help: join #ubuntu-packaging [11:40] can anyone help with this issue. trying to get branch from launchpad and get this message> [11:40] Permission denied (publickey). [11:40] ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying [11:40] Permission denied (publickey). [11:40] bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. [11:40] I know is an issue somewhere with the keys but not sure where. [11:41] tkennedy: start by trying `ssh bazaar.launchpad.net` [11:41] the things you need to check with your ssh setup are: [11:41] * the key on your launchpad profile [11:42] * permissions on your .ssh folder and key files [11:42] I get Permission Denied publickey [11:43] * `bzr launchpad-login` equals your launchpad username [11:43] I think I may need to regererate my keys [11:44] just check that there's a public key associated with your launchpad account that you have both parts for on your local machine under .ssh first [11:44] if not, you can copy it across from where you first used it or generate and upload a new key [11:48] the keys are there under .ssh my lp account has the pub key [11:49] doing bzr launchpad-login returns back to the prompt without errors [11:49] and the name printed matches your launchpad user name? [11:51] is that command suppose to print out your username? I get nothing back [11:51] it is. [11:51] I've checked my bazaar.conf and authorization.conf under .bazaar and the username is whats on launchpad [11:52] pastebin the output of `bzr config`? [11:57] http://pastebin.com/WNRAWP1a [11:59] tkennedy: and if you compare the contents of https://launchpad.net/%7Etoddkenn/+sshkeys with ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub they are the same? [12:01] hmm I had two .pub files [12:01] seems I created one called id_rsa_launchpad.pub and then the default one id_rsa.pub [12:02] my bazaar config has it using the id_rsa_launchpad and not the id_rsa one [12:03] oh wait [12:03] so in .ssh/config for bazaar.launchpad.net I have it using the id_rsa_launchpad keys [12:04] comparing keys now [12:05] if you can't do `ssh toddkenn@bazaar.launchpad.net` and get past the publickey error to it saying "no shells" you need to double check that conf [12:06] launchpad pub key and stored pub keys are the same [12:08] should be something like: [12:08] Host bazaar.launchpad.net User toddkenn IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa_launchpad [12:08] ...but with newlines [12:10] I found the issue [12:10] a typo in the config [12:10] said id_rsa_launchad instead of launchpad [12:10] boy oh boy [12:11] :) [12:11] working now [12:11] ace. [12:11] thanks for the second set of eyes [13:01] i don't suppose there is kind of a concise dashboard type thing in Launchpad that can show me open bugs i'm responsible for, waiting reviews, my pending reviews, etc. all on one page, is there? [13:04] jonathanj: you can go to bugs.launchpad.net/~usernick and see all the bugs you're involved in [13:04] but not the stuff you're looking for no [13:05] nope, but people have written various custom views into launchpad using the api [13:06] i don't suppose any of those things are some kind of web site i can use? [13:06] and a couple of different pages probably cover the info you want code.launchpad.net/~USER/+activereviews and a bug search would do for your examples [13:09] unfortunately code/~/+activereviews doesn't show me reviews i *could* do (e.g. the case where someone proposed a branch but it has not been reviewed yet) [13:12] mgz: jam jelmer vila could one of you look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/198668 please [13:13] czajkowski: looking [13:14] is the dashboard/overview thing something that is on a relatively short roadmap for LP? [13:14] jelmer: cheers [13:14] jelmer: you're not working today though... [13:15] mgz: I am [13:16] did it say somewhere I wasn't? [13:16] jonathanj: no, but there are ways to get stuff you want implemented in launchpad done yourself [13:16] jelmer: as in, it's a holiday today in nl, no? or you're doing a swap day for the end of last week? [13:16] mgz: yep, I'm swapping [13:17] * mgz kills processes on jelmer [13:18] :) [13:19] lol [13:19] tis ok ye can have all the fun ye want next monday &tuesday blue squad I'll be off :) [13:20] that's okay, I'll be off then too :) [13:20] ich auch [13:20] so will it just be jam ? [13:22] it's okay, he's super jam. also, vila should be around I think. [13:22] czajkowski: jam und Vincent [13:23] ah sorted so === czajkowski changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | For packaging help: join #ubuntu-packaging [18:38] Hi. [18:38] I am kinda confused with how PPAs are supposed to be made. [18:39] Is there any kind of prototype PPA for autoconf/automake based libraries? [18:53] wilx: I think you're confusing terminology. Perhaps you mean "package that I intend to upload to a PPA" when you're saying "PPA" [18:54] A PPA is an archive/repository of packages on Launchpad. It doesn't really make any sense to have a prototype PPA [19:21] Oh. [19:21] maxb: You are likely right. [19:21] maxb: I probably mean the control file and stuff like that...I guess I should ask that in ##debian or ##ubuntu/ [19:21] ? [19:22] You may find #ubuntu-packaging best for this [19:23] Ok. [20:22] hi guys, I'm getting timeout oopses (OOPS-c5233e4383a11349b30fbcb259b82911) when tring to file a bug against landscape-client (https://launchpad.net/landscape-client/+filebug) [20:22] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=c5233e4383a11349b30fbcb259b82911 [20:36] lets see [20:36] ahasenack: (you can click on that link yourself, its open to ~canonical) [20:37] ahasenack: looks like an FTI timeout [20:37] ahasenack: you could try again, second time the index should be hotter [20:44] lifeless: worked now, thanks [20:44] took about 4 attempts, though [20:50] FTI = Faster Than Index? [20:57] geser: full text index === soren_ is now known as soren [21:10] wgrant: ^ still expected ? [21:31] wgrant: query is 2.6 on wildcherry atm [21:31] wgrant: almost all of it in -> Bitmap Index Scan on bugtaskflat__fti__idx (cost=0.00..76.16 rows=879 width=0) (actual time=2654.648..2654.648 rows=10546 loops=1) [21:31] Index Cond: ((bugtaskflat.fti)::tsvector @@ '( ( ( ''error'' & ''fix'' & ''lintian'' & ''warn'' | ''fix'' & ''lintian'' & ''warn'' ) | ''error'' & ''lintian'' & ''warn'' ) | ''error'' & ''fix'' & ''warn'' ) | ''error'' & ''fix'' & ''lintian'''::tsquery) [21:31] Buffers: shared hit=3 read=39406 === Adri2000 is now known as Guest35099 === Guest35099 is now known as Adri2000 [23:40] lifeless: That number of FTI queries will probably be helped by GIN [23:41] cool [23:41] so, can has? [23:43] lifeless: buildbot isn't 9.1 yet, AIUI [23:43] oh right [23:43] mumble mumble monkeypatch mumble