[00:00] but really, hotmail sucks a lot less than gmail [00:00] lol [00:00] hehe, that's simply not true. :) [00:01] it *is* true nowadays (from a ML admin perspective) [00:01] I receive so much spam from hacked hotmail accounts that I could probably make a fortune if I went into the blackmail business. [00:02] my spam filters work well ;) [00:02] it's the legitimate mail that is a problem with GMail ;) [00:02] I don't think most people realize that their contact lists are sensitive information. Particularly if you spend your time corresponding with "hornyboy 13" and you're a 50 yearold man. [00:03] bodhizazen: have you guys considered branching the ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu and proposing a branch containing the patch you request? [00:04] It would be rather trivial to do that, there is a post on the forms to do that [00:04] Personally I think the page should list Forums, askubuntu, irc, and LP [00:05] I'd very much like for it to promote LoCos where applicable. [00:05] I know the point is to keep it simple, but some people have expressed a strong interest in one vs another [00:05] we're having serious issues in the Norwegian LoCo now. I don't even know where to begin. [00:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11743611&postcount=7 [00:06] I didnt think anyone had disagreed that the forums should be listed [00:07] It would be easy enough to update the content [00:07] yup, so do it? ☺ [00:07] hey popey [00:07] yo cprofitt [00:07] how ya been? [00:08] tickety boo [00:08] +1 on making this localised ☺ [00:12] you are up kinda late there popey [00:14] yeah, watching http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/ [00:14] classic ☺ [00:15] * cprofitt nods [00:15] I am waiting to see the new version of a classic book -- John Carter of Mars [00:15] it releases this week [00:16] one of the first scifi books I read [00:26] something new about the new version? [00:33] JanC: yes... they just made a film of John Carter of Mars [00:33] I believe it is the second film [00:33] the other being a B movie at best [00:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rf55GTEZ_E -- trailer [00:56] hey cjohnston [01:01] hey [01:03] stand by [01:03] one sec [01:03] I have something to show you [01:03] mhall119: you too [01:03] k [01:05] hey so you know how we use blueprints for a TODO system right [01:05] and we make you parse it [01:05] and that's a horrible idea [01:06] the new lp changes? [01:06] no, status.ubuntu.com [01:06] you know how you basically have to parse the TODOs [01:06] and all this stuff [01:06] right. theres lp changes coming down the pipe, but yes [01:07] what if .... [01:07] instead of this, you had a nice API for a todo system you could use and consume. [01:08] marcoceppi: ok now. :) [01:08] that would be nice [01:09] ok one sec [01:09] cjohnston: pay no attention to the marco behind the counter [01:10] http://marco.ondinappr.com/user_breakdown.php?user=jorgecastro [01:11] http://marco.ondinappr.com/user_breakdown.php?user=mhall119 [01:11] and so on [01:12] interesting [01:12] what does that pull from [01:13] my trello boards [01:13] which has an API [01:13] ahh [01:13] so the idea is [01:13] you make "todo" "next" "in progress" "done" [01:13] columns [01:13] and then this takes them all up and shows them together [01:13] so I have like my "juju" board, my "community board", etc. [01:15] Right, it pulls all the cards you're attached to in Trello [01:15] i dont really see that replacing what we currently have [01:15] right, because we're ubuntu [01:15] I get that [01:15] but pretend I want to use the right tools for the right job for a sec. :) [01:15] lol [01:16] jcastro: I had to postpone the askubuntu.com taks I had [01:16] jcastro: did you see my ping from a few hours ago? [01:16] cjohnston: which ones? [01:16] cprofitt: ok [01:17] about the status of the charm [01:17] he is back this week right? [01:17] he is [01:17] he's working on it today, tomorrow [01:17] sweet [01:17] you should be set soon [01:17] jcastro: I think we are closer to being able to make it loco friendly, but not quite yet [01:17] cjohnston: right so my idea is, beginning of the cycle I import my work items [01:18] but this gives me an idea of what I need to do since right now trello boards are only like 2 dimensional [01:18] right [01:18] I can't ask it to say "show me all the TODOs for all my boards" [01:20] if it didnt take so much time to get trello setup it would be cooler.. to me trello's use wasnt obvious [01:20] and setup took a bunch of time [01:21] plus LP is already in my workflow, where that is adding a new site [01:21] that's fine [01:22] but I do have some questions [01:22] jcastro: loves adding new sites to his workflow, as long as they are charmable [01:22] since you know this probably [01:22] lol @ greg-g [01:22] cjohnston: if we took the scraper part of status. [01:22] and had a write API to trello we can probably do a one way sync right? [01:23] your meaning to pull from trello? [01:23] probably [01:23] no, pull from launchpad [01:23] and put into trello [01:23] depends on if trello supports it [01:23] where you would run into problems is assignees [01:23] marcoceppi: does their API do posts yet? [01:23] jcastro: yup! [01:23] because we use LP nicks [01:24] Not completely, but core items can be posted, things like moving cards, adding cards, some basic board manipulation [01:25] You should be able to "bootstrap" a board though, and prefill with basic information [01:25] once you push it from status, what are you wanting to do with it [01:28] put it in trello [01:28] thats it tho? [01:29] well, what I really want is to be able to just use my WI in Trello and have it sync back to launchpad [01:29] but that sounds hard [01:30] but I figured one way would be lower effort [01:36] cjohnston: so basically [01:36] an alternative solution for people who want to use proper tools but not have to do work in 2 places. [01:36] jcastro: go back one more step [01:37] don't import from LP to trello, because it doesn't originate in LP now, it originates in etherpad [01:37] go from etherpad to trell [01:37] o [01:37] ooooh [01:37] ok so let's say we are at a session [01:38] I jot down my WI's [01:38] marcoceppi: is it possible to create a board via the API? [01:39] jcastro: Yes [01:39] ok so post UDS [01:39] we hit some Magic Button [01:39] and it creates a trello board for each spec [01:39] so ... community-q-monoflamewar [01:40] and then just shoves the workitems in the TODO column for each board [01:40] holy cow - that would be freakin' AWESOME!!! [01:40] It's within the realm of possible, based on the way the Trello API is setup [01:40] jcastro: for each spec, or each track? [01:41] each spec would be a board [01:41] but since we follow the naming convention of etherpad [01:41] also keep in mind we're going to have sessions without a blueprint [01:41] THEY WILL BE IN TEAM ORDER ALREADY!!! [01:41] yeah, no [01:41] yeah but if they don't have WI we don't import them [01:41] I mean following the name spec, we're not strict about session names anymore [01:41] so we'll end up with 1 to 1 boards for each etherpad with WI on it [01:41] right? [01:42] right [01:42] they'll need to be meeting.name + meeting.id [01:44] so [01:44] for the majority of them [01:44] say ... community as an example [01:44] we'd have them in order right off the bat. [01:44] I'm just going to set this here: Trello doesn't care about duplicate board names: https://trello.com/sello [01:44] why would they be in order? [01:44] well [01:44] on the boards list [01:45] you'd look at: http://marco.ondinappr.com/user_breakdown.php?user=jorgecastro [01:45] and under Boards [01:45] marcoceppi: we'd need some way of separating your UDS-session boards from any others [01:45] it would be "community-q-juju" [01:45] "community-q-whatever", and so on [01:45] actually good point, why do I even care what order they are in? [01:45] and if they don't have 'community-q-' in them? [01:45] because we were talking about stripping that junk out [01:46] oh ok [01:46] how will you keep track of it in summit? [01:46] however you do it [01:46] we only care about meeting id [01:46] meeting name is just UI [01:46] what's the uservisible part of the meeting ID? [01:46] oh [01:46] then just pass the meeting name? [01:46] to trello? [01:46] yeah [01:46] it'd have to be meeting name and id [01:46] but like pass the ID to be in the description or something if we need it [01:47] sure [01:47] hmmm, I suppose we can just create a trello board with the meeting name, and store the trello-generated id/url/whatever in summit [01:47] is trello open-souce? [01:48] mhall119: It's not, it's made and offered by Fog Creek software [01:49] ok [01:49] if we're going to make summit integrate with an external system, it would be better if there was a way to run something different [01:49] for example, linaro connect uses their own etherpad servers [01:50] and it would theoretically be possible to integrate with a separate instance of Launchpad [01:50] mhall119: I am under the assumption that Ubuntu as a project would never move to this [01:50] so I am thinking integration if possible [01:51] jcastro: right, but Linaro, or Plumbers, or OpenStack, might not want to use Fog Creek hosted software [01:51] right [01:51] so, like I said, it would have been better if they could run their own instance of trello [01:52] you can run your own trello boards [01:52] I'm not opposed to using trello, mind you, just that as a selling point it's harder for closed-source [01:52] but it's a web service (SaaS) not PaaS [01:52] can you make private boards? [01:53] mhall119: yes [01:53] that would be good for private meetings [01:53] we can't do that with LP [01:53] Private boards, Organizations, and something else [01:53] It's basically Public, Members only (read access, but only members can change things), and Private [01:54] With a few other permissions sprinkled in [01:56] mhall119: yeah so that's why I was thinking like a sync or additive [01:56] not a replacement [01:57] I don't think wether it's OSS or closed matters. [01:57] I couldn't convince anyone to use a team based todo system that was open [01:57] so I've resigned that we'll be stuck with broken blueprints [01:57] however that doesn't mean we can't have nice things. :) [02:00] mhall119: right so my idea workflow wise is [02:00] if you look at this page [02:00] http://marco.ondinappr.com/user_breakdown.php?user=jorgecastro#tasks [02:01] you know right off the bat [02:01] "Jorge is working on that, and after that on that, and then there's the rest of the big pile" [02:02] from right to left, just like the real board [02:02] I don't have to explain to anyone what I am doing tomorrow, it's already there. [02:03] then (check this out), my weekly status report becomes an API query. "Show everything jorge moved to DONE in the last 7 days" [02:12] jcastro: does trello use your launchpad username? [02:12] no, it doesn't even use openid [02:12] google accounts right now. :( [02:12] but if you look at my boards [02:12] so how are we going to match people in summit with people on trello? [02:13] I just put [jorge] blah on the cards [02:13] when I copy and pasted them over. [02:13] we haven't thought that far ahead yet [02:14] mhall119 Think of this as a 3 hour proof of concept [02:14] jcastro boards work [02:14] yeah, and I like it [02:14] mhall119: yeah so basically I was like "you know if we show them something working...." [02:14] I'm just thinking ahead about what we will need in order to integrate [02:14] yeah so, here's what I did this cycle [02:15] * mhall119 has his engineer hat on [02:15] I copied and pasted all my work items into cards [02:15] I've got to dash, I'll catch up in a bit [02:15] and then, you can hover over each card [02:15] and hit spacebar to assign it to yourself [02:15] so I just clicked the top card, hit space, down arrow, space, down arrow [02:15] and it took about 3 minutes [02:16] we could hopefull provide a better experience than that [02:16] right [02:16] also we make assumptions about the columns [02:16] we just picked todo, next, in progress, done [02:16] if we're creating new boards, we can make them how we want, and just let it fail gracefully if they change them [02:16] and on hold/postponed [02:16] but trello doesn't really enforce a naming convention or anything, it just provides you a board with lists named whatever you want [02:16] right! [02:17] https://trello.com/board/classroom/4e94f7afaef5aa0000a5d2ea [02:17] so for example that board doesn't follow any of the rest [02:17] it's just a set of lists. [02:17] but we wouldn't need to get that right I don't think [02:18] we could get at least the everyday tasks done [02:19] yeah, I think if we says "if these specific names exist, we use them, otherwise we don't", that's enough [02:19] hey so an idea [02:19] in trello we can fill things in the Bio field [02:19] maybe putting our lp username somewhere so we can match? [02:20] that might work [02:21] we'd need to figure out what to do when someone doesn't have a trello account [02:21] mhall119: also ,check out that bootstrap hotness [02:21] you know you like it [02:21] is nice, yes [02:22] jcastro: are you or marco in touch with the trello developers? [02:22] mhall119: I can be, the owner of Fog Creek Software is also co-founder of Stack Exchange [02:23] so openid support would be a big plus [02:23] * marcoceppi is seriously going home [02:24] be back in a bit! [02:24] especially if we can lookup a user by their openid [02:24] marcoceppi: I'll believe when I see it [02:24] https://trello.com/board/trello-development/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c [02:24] ok so they self host [02:25] it might be in there somewhere, /me digs [02:32] jcastro: apparently that issue was a GPU lockup [02:33] :P the xorg people want me to ssh'in to my laptop over ethernet and collect logs next time it occurs [02:33] * mhall119 just saw a commercial for Internet Explorer on TV [02:33] o_O [02:34] whats that [02:34] some web browser or something [02:34] mhall119: thats why I dont watch TV [02:34] ;p [04:23] jono: I think the docs for accomplishments are wrong... but im too tired to make changes without talking to you first [04:24] "To run you first need to run the daemon. Change to the ubuntu-accomplishments-system directory and enter the daemon sub-directory and run the daemon:" [04:24] I think it should be: [04:24] oh I thought czajkowski fixed this [04:24] To run you first need to run the daemon. Change to the ubuntu-accomplishments-system directory and run the daemon: [04:24] fixing now [04:25] fixed thanks [04:25] she may have fixed something else, but it doesnt look like that was touched [04:25] akgraner, you should re-load the page to see [04:25] :-) [04:25] thanks akgraner [04:25] cjohnston, yeah, I think she just missed the small bit off [04:25] :-) [04:25] k [04:25] I opened install.sh to make sure it wasn't doing something I didn't know about before mentioning it though.. lol [04:26] but I have the trophy's page telling my I need an ubuntu one account [04:26] g'nite all [04:27] night [04:28] which LP email do I use? I have like 5 of them in there [04:28] i use my ubuntu.com one for some reason [04:29] how do I add another email address [04:33] hey this is kinda cool [04:37] Ok I got trophies - I can sleep now :-) Hey Jono this is pretty cool! [04:37] akgraner, nice! [04:37] catch you laters... [04:37] akgraner, just leave the daemon running and the other trophies will come in [04:38] and join the mailing list :-) [04:38] ok will do - thanks! [04:38] cjohnston, did you get it running? [04:42] jono - I think he is afk right now [04:49] np [08:06] good morning [08:43] morning [08:48] morning [09:08] bleugh [09:08] headache-- [10:14] hey guys, how do i add a second level bullet points in ubuntu wiki? [10:14] jokerdino: hmm let me check [10:15] jokerdino: * just go in a space to indent it [10:15] er, i don't understand [10:15] jokerdino: what the page let me help you [10:16] It's my user page [10:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jokerdino [10:16] jokerdino: ok and what do you want to 2nd level bullet point? [10:17] the three linked questions and the one blog post [10:17] hmm ok [10:17] let me see [10:17] 2 ticks [10:22] wiki being slow [10:23] heh [10:23] jokerdino: fresh now ? [10:24] they are not on the 2nd level, are they? [10:25] jokerdino: not entirely sure what you mean by 2nd level, they were just a* with no space the last time so weren't displaying as bullet points before [10:25] i mean like sub poiints [10:26] ahh [10:27] jokerdino: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing might help then [10:27] i tried, but i could never get to the second level [10:28] jokerdino: ok let me try again [10:28] thanks and sorry for bothering you :( [10:32] jokerdino: no you're not bothering me [10:32] jokerdino: ok refresh now [10:32] I've started the bulleting for you [10:33] you were for referene mising the first * of the paragraph so you can then add the 2nd level [10:33] It's possible you need a first level list before going to a second level. [10:33] head_victim: yup [10:33] :) [10:33] Just like czajkowski did :) [10:33] need more tea head doesnt function so well in the morning [10:33] I'm considering bed. [10:33] jokerdino: if you need any more help just shout [10:34] head_victim: had a woefully long day yesterday and bad nights sleep [10:34] I'm gonna need all the help I can get today [10:34] ah thanks a lot people [10:34] On a side note. popey rocks. [10:34] uhoh [10:34] popey: does indeed rock [10:34] jokerdino: np [10:35] wait.. [10:35] jokerdino: also good idea to have testimonals :) [10:35] i wanted to have bullet points for only the contributions :S [10:35] jokerdino: ok so go back in and remove the space from the * [10:35] czajkowski: i need testimonials? [10:36] you already have some on there [10:36] am saying well done on getting them [10:36] ah, i see. thanks [10:36] :) [10:36] i didn't ask for the testimonials actually. i was asking for help with the wiki markup [10:37] I know.. [10:37] i mean, not here. but in the ask ubuntu chat room as well [10:38] i have edited the wiki page one more time, take a final look? :) [10:39] i think this lists some of my contributions [10:39] Ah that makes sense and looks good. [10:39] jokerdino: looks well now [10:39] and yes people do randomly leave testimonals for people without asking [10:39] and it's nice to have them on the wiki page [10:39] thanks for your help again :) [10:39] jokerdino: you going for membership ? [10:39] jokerdino: no problem [10:39] They're the best testimonials to get I think. [10:40] yeah, i am going to apply soon-ish [10:40] the meeting is next week, so prepping up before i throw myself in [10:40] jokerdino: best of luck [10:41] thanks [11:14] mornin [11:14] cjohnston: howdy [11:15] http://youtu.be/L5h02PRnsgs good video to watch folks [11:15] cjohnston: hows the kiddies? [11:16] little guy is causing mommy problems this morning :-( [11:16] oh dear [11:16] but he's adorably cute [11:16] so he can possibly get away with it [11:16] yes he is [11:16] not this morning [11:16] heh [11:17] she changed his routine this morning and he is not happy about it [11:17] cjohnston: say hello to my favouite tea lady please [11:17] oh dear [12:43] I wish we could have a more beautiful site for the Norwegian loco. Is there any chance of getting the theme from Ubuntu.com? [12:45] http://ubuntu.no looks kinda... Non-smashing. [12:46] jo-erlend: not the worst I've seen [12:46] jo-erlend: there are community webthemes available on launchpad [12:46] lp.net/ubuntu-community-webthemes i think [12:46] czajkowski, no, not the worst. :) [12:47] jo-erlend: I suspect as ye host it yerselves you get more ways to change it yourselves [12:47] as most teams go ubuntu-iso.org and are hosted by canonical in some cases [12:53] We've recently moved to the Ubuntu Drupal theme, if you use a Drupal site it's actually quite awesome [12:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDrupal has all the info [12:57] head_victim: ah yes that was a fun rt to work on :) [13:05] what does l10n stand for? [13:06] localization [13:07] just a general term for it? [13:08]