[00:00] <_Marcus> I would like to test it on a spare machine, but I am not sure about the requirements [00:00] <_Marcus> Matter of fact, is there a requirement list? [00:00] All from the official repos. [00:00] nite [00:00] ActionParsnip: i think myn is using a gui called unity [00:01] _Marcus: mine is using about 400Mb [00:01] im after the 9.04 style ubuntu [00:01] http://pastebin.com/GaWV2kge kernel log says this [00:01] <_Marcus> ActionParsnip: What about hard drive space? [00:01] Danawar2: yes, that is a shell for gnome [00:01] How do i change this so it is like 9.04? [00:01] _Marcus: 3.1Gb used here, full unity with all the media codecs and libreoffice etc [00:01] <_Marcus> Good. Thank you ActionParsnip [00:02] Danawar2: i suggest you install xfce4 and select XFCE at the login screen [00:02] I'm using Unity with nouveau and I'm seeing major graphics artifacts/ failure to update the screen. For instance, I'm currently in a maximized gnome-terminal Window with irssi. If I alt-tab to Google Chrome I will continue to see a screen filled with the last screen of gnome-terminal / irssi until I do something which causes Google Chrome to repaint, like switching tabs. [00:02] Thanks [00:02] In 12.04 Unity. are there Hot-Keys to Switch to / through the different workspace windows? [00:04] KI7MT: hold superL down and you will be shown :) [00:04] Jordan_U: have you installed the Nvidia drivers yet? I can't get mine to work and was wondering if I was the only one. [00:04] superL ? what's that ? :-) [00:05] KI7MT: its what the linux world name the 'windows key' [00:05] ActionParsnip: i installed what you said but this is not the GUI i was after [00:05] Oh.. LOL got it, tnx [00:05] Num83rGuy: No, I'd like to avoid using the proprietary drivers. I'm willing to test them if that would be useful. [00:05] It is very similar but i am looking for one that is almost the exact same as ubuntu 9.04 onwards [00:05] Danawar2: its close to the old gnome2 desktop [00:05] We need a KB that has TUX on that key v.s. WinDoze [00:05] KI7MT: It's the key with cape on it, hence super key. [00:06] Jordan_U: Thanks but, don't worry about it. [00:07] Can I just block the nouveau modules from loading? If so how and which ones. [00:07] Danawar2: there is a guide on omgubuntu to jig the current gnome desktop. There is also a 4rd party fork of gnome2 called mate and clementine which are not supported in the ubuntu channels [00:07] oh well [00:08] Ok, found it, its Super+Alt+Cursor Keys, are those the arrow keys? Im an xterm person all this desktop bling is baffling :-) [00:10] ActionParsnip: Cinnamon may be what you need. http://www.webupd8.org/2011/12/cinnamon-gnome-shell-fork-with-gnome2.html [00:11] Clementine is a QT music player that is meant to look like Amarok 1.4 [00:18] ActionParsnip: I did it by installing gnomeshell! [00:18] Thanks for help [00:22] precice includes jenkins in the repos but i would rather like to use the deb from jenkins-ci.org ... is there a way to tell apt to ignore jenkins from the precise repositories ? [00:25] delight: install the deb then use apt-pinning [00:26] ActionParsnip: thnx I'll check apt-pinning [00:27] delight: if the version there is later than the one in the repos, it will not get updated until the version supercedes [00:27] delight: you will not be supported in the channels for that app, as you are using a 3rd party source [00:28] OK I added nouveau to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and the modual still loads. [00:29] Num83rGuy: did you add the line: blacklist nouveau [00:29] Yes [00:29] Num83rGuy: could add the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1 [00:30] hmmmm I am going to try this. [00:33] ActionParsnip: I don't like that the package of the repos has a mio dependencies. I simply want to stick with the LTS release of the jenkins-ci.org side ... got good experience with this for years [00:33] hudson/jenkins ... [00:34] not using the repo version has the issue you won't get security updates [00:34] precise packages the lts [00:37] jtaylor: yes I saw that ... jenkins-ci offers an repo for the lts releases ... well that choice is pretty static .. just creating a config to apt-pin the origin [00:38] thnx so far ... I know about the support thing ... and I love it ... but there are exceptions to the rule ... this is one of them [00:41] ActionParsnip: apt-pinning (by origin im my case) works like a charm ... thanks for the tip [00:49] ActionParsnip: The nouveau.blacklist=1 trick worked though I had to reinstall grub2 because it was screwed somehow. My install almost finished then crashed. I rebooted and everything seemed fine except grub had no menu and the nouveau thing. [00:49] Thank you [00:50] Shoot, he's gone. [02:08] Is there any way to force programs to use Global Menu [02:08] ? [02:09] glosoli, not every toolkit out there is compatible. [02:09] Daekdroom: doh :/ have you heard when they will switch to LIM ? [02:09] LIM? [02:09] Locally Integrated Menus [02:10] Are they going to do that? [02:10] I thought it was a concept [02:10] There was unofficial talk [02:10] there is unity team working on LIM [02:11] Regardless, it's not coming for 12.04 [02:11] https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/lim [02:11] We're way past UIFreeze [02:11] it's being constantly updated [02:11] Daekdroom: yes, it's not going to come to Precise, and I'm happy for that.. [02:11] Love GLobal Menu [02:11] was the one of the things made me switch from Windows to Fully Ubuntu [02:12] I realized Global Menu is better even for non maximized windows. [02:12] Because of infinite height. [02:13] Daekdroom: sure it is :) That's why Apple is using it for such a long time successfuly [02:16] When switching between mulitple monitors on 12.04 my mouse "catches" on the dash menu for 3-4 seconds instead of a smooth transitions between screens. Any ideas? [02:16] andrewaclt, that's a feature and cannot be disabled. [02:17] That's a feature? :/ [02:17] Yes. [02:17] whats a locally integrated menu [02:17] or are you trolling me, its hard for me to tell [02:18] its a feature.. the solution is to move the mouse quicker [02:18] beyond a certain acceleration point, it wont catch [02:18] i think it would be nice to have an option to disable the launcher on non primary displays [02:19] same with the panel [02:19] but whatever hey.. i've just learned to live with the things that i dont like [02:19] its much easier than getting upset about it [02:20] It's linux though, I've learned to change things I don't like heh [02:20] snadge: same here.. [02:20] Can I toggle the acceleration speed? [02:20] because apparently I'm old and slow [02:20] are you using autohide? [02:21] andrewaclt: you can :) System Settings- > Appearance -> Behaviour, if I understand what are you talking abou [02:21] Yes, you can. [02:21] about'' [02:21] But you have to use gconf-editor [02:21] yeah theres a "reveal sensitivity" option.. if you have auto hide enabeld [02:21] I was told the Launcher reveal thing changed monitor edge grabbing too, but it didn't. [02:21] I tested it myself. [02:21] im not sure if this is also a problem when autohide is disabled.. because i haven't used it that way [02:21] It seems to even catch on the side if I set the setting to "auto hide launcher except if I mouse over the top left corner" instead of the "entire side" [02:22] andrewaclt, it'll catch even if you set it to never hide. [02:22] then its possibly not related to autohide then [02:22] BOW to the way things are now. [02:22] fantastic ;) [02:22] Daekdroom: what means BOW ? :D [02:22] i've just learned to move the mouse faster [02:22] You're like the 4th or 5th I see complaining about that, to be honest. [02:22] you could probably increase the mouse sensitivity [02:23] glosoli, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowing [02:23] which means you dont have to physically move the mouse as far/fast [02:24] andrewaclt: you should go for gold and complain about the removal of launcher dodges windows [02:24] snadge: wouldn't help anymore ;D [02:24] Mark replied in Launchpad [02:24] There is no point arguing for Dodge anymore :/ [02:25] yeah apparently he misses that feature to.. but has sucked it up and accepted its removal [02:25] s/to/too [02:25] he wants the equality [02:25] to make the things to be used same by power users and daily users [02:25] i think the short version is.. it makes the code messy and ugly.. and nobody wants to maintain it [02:26] i dont think its that at all.. if it were just a handful of lines [02:26] and it worked without bugs.. it would still be there [02:26] snadge: hmm i think it's more for equality [02:26] looks like there is a workaround: http://askubuntu.com/questions/109338/how-do-i-disable-mouse-magnet-on-middle-edge-with-multi-monitors [02:33] Awwww [02:33] glosoli, according to the Bug Report regarding LIM, it's targeted for 5.6.0 [02:33] Which is the next Unity version. [02:33] So we might have it in Precise. [02:33] hmm which Will not make it to the precise [02:33] ? [02:33] But it'll be optional! [02:34] Daekdroom: 5.6.0 will make it to the precise ? [02:34] So we'll have three different ways of accessing menus (HUD not being a menu) [02:34] threee ? [02:34] glosoli, I was told in #ubuntu-unity it might [02:34] Global, LIM and ? [02:34] Yes. Global Menu, LIM and HUD [02:34] HUD is a mess for me hmm [02:34] HUD is not a menu, but you acess the menu options, y'know. [02:34] what are the highlights for the Unity 5.6 maybe you know ? [02:35] Also found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/938448 after searching [02:35] Launchpad bug 938448 in unity (Ubuntu) "On multi-monitor, mouse gets stuck in the middle, especially going right to left" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:49] Daekdroom, snadge You can set "Edge Stop Velocity" to 1 in the CompizConfg Setting Manager and disable it completely. [02:49] It won't disable. [02:49] It'll be barely noticeable, depending on your mouse specifications and skills [03:46] How do i turn off the sound at the log in screen? [04:02] how can i stop the drum sound at the login window? [04:07] Hello, i open the color panel on Precise AMD64, but it don't shows the option to calibrate (it's there, but grey (note clickable)) [04:07] *not clickable [04:07] how do i calibrate it? [04:09] open color panel? [04:09] What are you talking about? [04:09] do i need to install extra packages to calibrate? [04:09] Panel, Launcher, Dash? [04:09] System Configurations [04:09] then colors [04:10] Ah. [04:10] THAT panel [04:10] yes [04:11] I was able to add a color profile and it prompted me to install some packages for that, but I can't calibrate it either [04:13] try installing gnome-color-manager [04:13] jbicha, I have it installed. I don't think it's that [04:14] it's already installed here too [04:15] but no activity on calibrate... [04:15] all devices can calibrate? [04:15] I don't know, I can calibrate my webcam but not my monitor, but then again I don't have a color meter thing so calibrating wouldn't do me any good anyway === emma_ is now known as emma [04:48] Hi this is probably another question. But is there a way to force a menu to stay on a single monitor. Screenshot of unwanted behavior: http://imgur.com/HWzvG [04:48] *another silly [05:30] is there a command to report bugs? [05:31] chromaticwt: "ubuntu-bug packagename" [05:32] ok === branant_ is now known as branant [08:18] hi all, does anyone know how to kill or uninstall the video lens, thereis a bug causing runnaway disk IO and cpu usgae, my whole PC is coming to a grinding halt! [08:50] how can I change the command of an icon from the left panel? [08:58] Hmm... Performed an update from 11.10 to 12.04 and have found a couple of odd things... I am not sure of the correct terminology else I would search out the bugs myself. I have a 2 screen setup. Both screens function but the application bar appears on both screens making transition between the two difficult. [08:59] Also, the gwibber hoverovers bring up an empty box with just the icon showing.. [09:09] selinuxium: does your mouse get stuck inbetween the screens? [09:10] psypher246, yup [09:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/923749 [09:10] Launchpad bug 923749 in unity (Ubuntu Precise) "New "push mouse offscreen" feature really difficult to get" [Critical,Triaged] [09:10] for a second or so.. [09:10] yes [09:10] it's crap [09:10] i hate it [09:10] looks like it's tough luck [09:10] Why have the launcher on both screens? [09:11] the the launcher is not going to dissappear [09:11] i got told off for even asking to have a feature to tunr it off [09:11] look at first i didn't like that aprt [09:12] then i learn to like it [09:13] selinuxium: trying to find that bug i logged [09:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/924682 [09:15] Launchpad bug 924682 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity 5 launcher duplicated on multiple screens" [Undecided,Invalid] [09:15] flat out ignored after I argued that we should have the option to turn off [09:15] Cheers psypher246 [09:16] what I have done to mitigate the severe annoyances brought up by creating to launchers is as follows [09:16] lave the launcher on all the time, NO autohide [09:16] installed teamviewer 6 but when I run it I get an error about tvwine.dll being missing. I tried installing wine to resolve dep but no joy anyone know what this is? [09:16] psypher246, When people are talking about changing the Push value and such... Where do I do that? [09:17] selinuxium: and under the compiz settings manager set the edge stop velocity from 65 to 10 [09:17] there are 2 places [09:17] hit dash then type appearance [09:17] then go behaviour [09:18] psypher246, How can change the edge stop velocity [09:18] only through CCSM [09:19] and go to ccsm and then to the unity plugin, experimental tab [09:19] yeah [09:20] kubuntu 12.04 - how can get my right klick working on HP Probook 4520s [09:20] that setting seems to require an extremely exessive force to allow the mouse to not get locked onto the middle of the screen [09:20] setting it to 10 is MUCH better [09:20] psypher246, Cheers, installing CCSM atm. [09:21] selinuxium: cool man, yeah it's a pain. it still gets stuck every now and again but less force reqired to release [09:21] BTW being able to launch a dash on a different screen is quite cool. learn to enjoy the dual launchers, there is a point to it, it seems, although not quite perfectly applied as yet [09:23] KErnel update [09:26] psypher246, I can see the point of having multiple launchers. It would be better though to be able to change the settings individually for these. Stop velocity may be perfect for the left most launcher [09:26] psypher246, Stop velocity of 65 that is.. [09:28] yeah, it's a bit of a tough one, how do you unhide a hidden launcher without a feature like edge stop velocity. but what i don't like it that I have to apply "pressure" to unhide the launcher. buy all means lock it in place. but it should not require perssure to unhide. allowing it to unhide after a certaing amount of time has passed is better imo [09:29] like it used to be [09:29] so thats why i have just made my launchers unhidden all the time. way less annoying [09:30] can I have two rows of icons on the left panel? I see the icons max size is 32. I want to put more icons there. [09:30] and I really don't need the damn horizontal screen space on a dual big screens [09:30] Edico: not as far I know, thats a new though [09:30] thought [09:32] I've used before to put icons shortcuts on the top and left panels but now with unity I have less space, on the top panel I can't put icons [09:32] psypher246, Cheers for that, much better now. :) [09:32] selinuxium: awesome, on that page pls click tat this affects you too [09:32] that* [09:37] psypher246, Done. :) And thanks again :) [09:41] there are problems launching some applications from the left panel, the applications doesn't start [09:42] Edico, i had some problems with this, had to restart X [09:51] why is thunderbird's menu not integrated with unity? at least not for me currently, fully updated precise.. [09:54] do you have thunderbird-globalmenu installed? [09:58] should I include Pre-released updates to have updates for beta version? [09:59] what is Pre-released updates? [10:10] Edico: don't enabled that ppa [10:11] Unless, you want to play with monkey robots ;D === arif-ali_ is now known as arif-ali [12:08] Hey :D [12:09] I've got a few bugs to report, at least from the first launch of precise [12:10] !bug [12:10] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [12:11] ok fine [12:13] but some stuff are missing :P [12:14] details of what you mean. [12:16] like Videos Lens, it only looks in Videos folder or something like that, cause it doesn't find any of my videos [12:16] and Music Lens is only linked to ubuntu one I think [12:22] And I wonder if anyone experienced a bug with the right mouse button menus [12:22] like graphical glitches [12:28] and frozen bubble 2 I think used to work with mouse input now it doesn't? :D [12:39] XVampireX, what kind of graphical glitches of the menu? [12:40] like doesn't always show what's inside it [12:46] Hi there, [12:46] U 12.04 [12:46] Grub problem. [12:47] Grub always stops at boot menu [12:47] It was happened after an unsuccessfull upgrade (the problem is btrfs) [12:48] btrfs is unstable [12:48] OK [12:48] What about grub booting? [12:48] it's the cause of brtfs i think [12:48] with brtfs you need to have seperate /boot as far as I remember [12:48] hi. i have problems installing 12.04. everytime i start the installation it sooner or later gets stuck, once at "contacting network time", once at "removing operating system files in conflict", etc.. any idea what i can do? [12:48] I commented out the btrfs partition. Machine was started after it. [12:48] tryed it some time ago, that was way too unstable [12:49] How you comment out file system type [12:49] ? [12:49] how can you'' [12:49] My boot partition is ext3 or ext4 [12:49] can you debug grub somehow ? [12:49] no. [12:49] are you able to boot in grub ? [12:50] I'm not a grub expert. [12:50] i mean to see menu [12:50] Boot is working perfectly. [12:50] so what's wrong ? [12:50] Can't get the point [12:50] My problem: it is waiting for someone pressing the ENTER button. [12:50] No "autoboot". [12:51] No timeout counter, or what. [12:51] aaa [12:51] wait [12:51] So I'm not able to reboot the machine remotely. [12:52] Aruzsi_: tryed running sudo update-grub ? [12:52] I tried to find recordfail but no in the env file. [12:52] glosoli: Yes, of course! [12:53] Aruzsi_: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/grub-customizer-20-can-change-default.html [12:53] glosoli: Sometimes I got "autoboot" but after the next boot I got the menu and waiting pressing ENTER. [12:53] try installing this one to play with settings it can help you to set time and disable autoboot [12:53] you can even check what other OS it detects :) it's quite a tool if you are not terminal geek [12:54] (my Chrome went away, sorry.) [12:55] np, have you opened that link i gave ? [12:55] yes [12:55] try using see if that can be a help for you, if not, ask here again, because I have not enough knowledge to do grub stuff terminal way [12:56] I can't see any new news on it. [12:58] Aruzsi: what do you mean any new news ? [12:58] glosoli: OK, thanks. [12:59] glosoli: I can see a GUI and customizer. [12:59] glosoli: I don't want to customize my cfg. I just want to "repaire" after an unsuccessfull upgrade. [13:00] glosoli: And I don't know why stops almost every reboot at the boot menu. [13:00] Aruzsi: so it's not always happening hmm [13:00] ? [13:01] glosoli: Yes. [13:01] Aruzsi: please, learn some english [13:01] Aruzsi: have you tryed pressing Prefenrences in that program settings time out and ticking to show menu ? [13:01] it doesn't hurt [13:01] glosoli: There were some time when the autoboot worked. ANd the next reboot waiting for ENTER again ... [13:02] Can't understand if he wants autoboot or not. [13:02] jack: Sorry. My mothertongue is Hungarian. [13:03] glosoli: I want autoboot. [13:04] glosoli: I go to the other room, boot the machine again, try to install grub-customize program and "reconfigure" my config. [13:04] Aruzsi: In that Grub-customizer, press Prefenrences, and it should look like thishttp://goo.gl/J0KFo [13:05] Aruzsi: so you didin't even installed that program ? [13:10] Aruzsi: i see. but you know, english is the easiest language ever - so invest some time to learn it properly [13:10] it's worth it [13:10] jack: OK, you're right. [13:10] easiest.. right :) [13:11] jack: Sorry, again. [13:11] easiest plus spoken by most people on this planet [13:11] definitely worth it :) [13:12] spanish is a lot easier [13:12] no bizarre spelling rules and whatnot [13:12] jack: Absolutelly not understand what I wanted to write? [13:13] glosoli: add-apt-repository ppa:danielrichter2007/grub-customizer gave an error. :-( [13:13] i totally understood it [13:13] no worries [13:14] english is so easy even americans themselves have spelling competitions :P [13:14] and they write "definately" and shit [13:15] in finnish, spanish etc phonetic (?) languages you don't have to "know" how to write the words, you hear it - and you know. there are no exceptions, everything is written exactly as it's spoken [13:15] not so in english [13:16] true [13:16] finnish is special though [13:16] I'm not able to install grub-customizer. Maybe add-apt-repository wants Net connection without proxy. And we use proxy. ;-) [13:16] as weird as hungarian [13:16] lets get back on topic [13:16] finnish is ez ;) [13:17] What do you think Hungarian language then? [13:17] finglish accent with english... ugh, impossible to get rid of [13:17] ... [13:17] i only know "vittu perkele" [13:17] ^^ [13:17] !ot | crizzy jack [13:17] crizzy jack: #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. [13:17] but that's pretty nasty [13:18] blah, offtopic purists again :) [13:18] crizzy: there are minor spelling exceptions [13:20] So back to the topic: any help to grub config? [13:46] OK, I fed up. From 4 boots 3 work with autoboot and the last one not. [13:50] What is autoboot? [13:53] For example: [13:53] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:recordfail [13:56] Autoboot means for me: boot the default entry automatically. [13:57] Aruzsi: can you give a pastebin of your /etc/default/grub file please [13:58] ActionParsnip: Of course, yes! [13:58] is it possible to remove the effects in unity? [13:59] ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/LChqmBsk [14:01] Aruzsi: mines the same except mine has this line uncommented: #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [14:02] Aruzsi: my line for: #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" is also uncommented [14:02] ActionParsnip: Let me see ... [14:04] ActionParsnip: The 1st reboot ... [14:06] ActionParsnip: ... was successfull! [14:06] Aruzsi: sweet [14:06] ActionParsnip: the 2nd was ... [14:09] ActionParsnip: ... was unsuccessful! :-( I check it on the monitor. [14:10] ActionParsnip: Yes, It was stopping int he boot menu. [14:19] Aruzsi: did you run: sudo update-grub after making the change (just checking) [14:24] ActionParsnip: Yes. [14:25] Something is not perfect with the last kernel. I got kernel panic ... [14:28] Are there any bugs reported? [14:29] ActionParsnip: About Grub behaviour? [14:30] Aruzsi: either and both [14:31] ActionParsnip: I'm not sure it is a user failure or real bug. Grub started not to work after a kernel upgrade which was failed because of the btrfs kernel panic. [14:32] ActionParsnip: The last panic was in different module and situation. I removed the btrfs partition from my fstab so the problem is not related to btrfs, I think. [14:34] Aruzsi: have you notice any improvements using btrfs ? [14:36] zzecool: Sorry, I'm just make a try with btrfs because of the features (like defrag, using many partitions, etc. And the 1st reboot was unsuccessfull ... [14:37] ohh [14:37] i see [14:37] good luck [14:37] i always thought that ext doesnt need ant defrag [14:37] any* [14:37] zzecool: Thanks, and be careful with the last kernel (+btrfs)! [14:37] hehe [14:38] any filesystems "needs" defrag [14:38] it's a myth that any random filesystem won't need it [14:38] the difference is how noticable fragmentation is [14:38] that varies between filesystems [14:38] pmjdebruijn: do you know any defrag tool for linux ? [14:38] ActionParsnip: Thanks for your help! [14:38] but... with SSD it's mostly irrelevant anyhow [14:38] ext3/4 do not have defrag tools, afaik. [14:38] the only filesystem with true defrag on Linux is XFS [14:38] AFAIK [14:39] Because by the time they have fragmentation, the filesystem is almost full. [14:39] true [14:39] if its not noticeable.... then how can ut be needed. [14:39] keeping significant freespace is a good way to keep fragmentation at bay [14:39] (for any filesystem) [14:39] i remember me reading a hell long article that we dont have actuall fragmentation [14:39] It upsets me how badly the FUSE implementation for NTFS handles fragmentation. [14:40] It just writes the file wherever it wants to [14:40] hmm [14:40] well, it's meant for interoperability, not general use [14:40] Daekdroom: never had any problem with this [14:41] i have all my data to ntfs partition [14:41]