[00:12] Riddell: you around? [00:12] And other kubuntu UDS'y type people? [00:18] hmm? [00:19] seele: this is the friendly reminder about specs, specs, and more specs! [00:19] [00:19] Hobbsee: we've got a meeting tomorrow to discuss UDS stuff [00:19] we've got a whole page of to-be-specs :) [00:20] seele: right. Can you make sure they land on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-jaunty/, have a person to talk about them, and get proposed for the meeting, by thursday please? [00:20] hmm.. i can try [00:21] seele: the later it gets, the less people get an opportuntiy to subscribe, and the likely higher number of clashes there will be. [00:21] seele: i don't think it matters if they're placeholder specs particularly, either. [00:24] ok [00:25] as long as people can kinda see what they are, subscribe to them if they're interested, etc. [00:34] seele: oops. Apparently they can't be completely placehodler specs. They need to contain a reasonable amount of information in them. [00:34] although more bits can be added later === vorian is now known as heHATEme === heHATEme is now known as vorian [02:31] to whoever is running the meeting tomorrow: I'll probably be ~20 minutes late (school, etc)... could you please keep my agenda item 'till the end... and if the meeting lasts under 20 minutes / finishes before I get here, oh well, my item can be pushed back / I can take care of it in here some other time... :) [02:42] Rats. I got rescheduled for some $WORK stuff tomorrow, so I won't make the meeting. [03:09] nixternal: poor, poor man. [03:09] nixternal: so is that what the friday thing will be for - pennance for those who did use kde, and switched. [03:10] Friday thing? [03:11] ScottK: nixternal and i are on crew duty for the friday of UDS [03:11] Ah. [03:11] Right. [03:11] * Hobbsee got like...4...mentions in this blog post. wow. [03:12] which post? [03:13] http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.11.15/i-will-never-bet-again-day-1-with-gnome/ [03:23] was there patching done to plasma by any chance? [03:24] its broken in kubuntu [03:24] bfrog: yes there was Small patches [03:25] well... you see... plasma only shows up on one screen, where as with archlinux (basically plain kde4) it seemed to work just dandy so I can only assume... [03:26] where should I file a bug at? [03:26] er I bet I can find it, lemme search [03:27] :-D [03:27] * DaSkreech likes bfrog [03:27] are the patches listed on launchpad? [03:40] nixternal: Yeah I could see that flood coming :) Does anyone read your blog who isnt on Linux? [04:42] woo hoo [04:42] all problems solved with kde from backports (kde 4.1.3) [04:42] I filed a bug though, should I add a comment there about this? [04:52] bfrog: Yes. [04:54] awesome, well kubuntu just won me for 8.10. 6 months feels like forever with free software, so much awesomeness in so little time :-) [04:54] had to switch to arch for awhile there === seaLne is now known as MM3ZUN === MM3ZUN is now known as seaLne [12:47] hmm.. this is going to be a long meeting today [12:58] wow the bug list gets lots of mail [13:11] Hobbsee: get kdelibs5 from the kubuntu-experimental ppa and check whether KDE 4 apps still work properly in a gnome session [13:12] ryanakca: I would assume Riddell runs the meeting, I just take care that the meeting isn't too short :P [13:12] seele: I guess that indicates we have a buggy product [13:13] apachelogger: most of them are replies, not new bugs :) [13:14] seele: I guess that indicates we have a buggy product but do something about it ;-) [13:15] :D [14:00] why the havok does our gem install to /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin ... and why is that thing not on $PATH [14:03] you'd need to ask debian-ruby people [14:04] but if it's anything like python-support then it'll make symlinks from the right places [14:05] does not [14:05] * apachelogger makes a funny face and installs a non-crippled gem [14:06] in fact, dpkg should be replaced by gem, it's better on the memory anyway :P [14:07] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFilesharing - this ever get implemented? [14:07] If not, we should re-propose for Jaunty [14:11] why would anyone use webdav? [14:11] * apachelogger thinks we should use sftp, and sftp only [14:12] apachelogger: WevDev isn't the point here, its file sharing which appears to be missing in Intrepid. [14:12] there is a lot of more important stuff missing in Intrepid :P [14:12] which tells me the spec wasn't implemented and should be re-proposed [14:12] filesharing ain't worth anything if you can't even configure your network connection [14:13] sharing is important for the desktop. [14:14] bah.. [14:15] Nightrose: did you try nuking your .amarok-nightly? [14:15] rgreening: no it didn't [14:17] Riddell: I added to the specs for Jaunty... perhaps we'll be able to for this sprint [14:17] apachelogger: not tried that yet since the last update - will do [14:21] apachelogger: OMG!!!! [14:21] i have sound again [14:21] * Nightrose jumps and hugs apachelogger [14:22] \o/ [14:22] Nightrose: can you dump a mail to the list? [14:22] will do [14:22] thx [14:22] np [14:22] thx to you :) [14:24] Your membership in motu is about to expire [14:24] * apachelogger really feels the love [14:24] wow i dont understand why i read kubuntu-users sometimes crazy people there [14:25] woohoo, aaron also gave his ok on policykit-kde in 4.2 \o/ [14:26] jjesse: what's new on that list? [14:26] the fail of kde [14:26] how kde is now dead according to a blog plost [14:26] lol [14:26] KDE was dead ever since they stopped releasing new KDE 2 versions [14:27] ya nobody takes those noobers seriously anymore [14:27] KDE 2.5.98 was TEH SHITZ [14:27] well [14:27] pre release [14:28] ya that is bcuz tehy totaly fracked up 2.6.0 [14:28] nabble is the suck today [14:28] [/noob] [14:28] lol [14:28] claydoh: is kubuntu-users on the agenda for today? [14:29] http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116 [14:30] black = vista... mumblemumblemumble totally unusable..... [14:30] nothing I Hvaen't seen before [14:30] The System Settings application is nice, but it is a far cry from the features of KControl. [14:30] s/hvaen't haven't [14:30] that statement is so horribly horrible I am crying right now [14:31] the only thing systemsettings can not do is chaning the icon size of the modules [14:31] is there a meeting today? [14:32] yes [14:32] Secondly, the developers who wrote the application should know their code, and if they know their code then they know where all the bugs are. [14:32] rofl [14:32] <= dying [14:32] that statement has kind of a bug, he doesn't know what he writes it appears ;-) [14:33] at what time is the meeting? [14:33] dood [14:33] jjesse: topic! [14:33] apachelogger: topic doesn't show up well in this web based client i'm using today to get around a clients firewall [14:33] !topic [14:33] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [14:33] No, I didn't file any bug reports because that's simply not my job. [14:34] HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH [14:34] jjesse: 20 utc [14:34] * JontheEchidna cries === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Meeting: 2008-11-18 20:00 UTC https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Merges! http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html [14:34] * apachelogger has no idea what master Riddell changed [14:34] quassel should use parse topic changes with diff :D [14:34] apachelogger: ubuntu.com -> kubuntu.org, down with the brown [14:34] apachelogger: s/ubuntu.com/kubuntu.org [14:35] well if you're logged in you can have your wiki theme set to kubuntu globally [14:35] :D [14:35] ah brown vs. drunk [14:36] I can only assume that the reason KDE4 was rushed out the door was that the KDE project had an influx of amateur developers who didn't quite understand software development and how their work would affect their users. [14:36] KDE should have a non-ranters clause in the license [14:36] better yet, make it a eula [14:37] then again the question arises, what was there before.. the buggy application or the users who clamed the application is buggy [14:37] http://xkcd.com/501/ [14:38] The one thing you don't want to do is force your users to abandon your software and migrate to another project, but this is exactly what I've seen happening since KDE4 was released. [14:38] I am wondering how he saw that [14:38] we are deploying that product and barely noticed anything like this within the last months [14:40] hm, that wasn't worth the time really [14:46] apachelogger: are those quotes from the blog or from kubuntut-users/ [14:51] ok, who moved the spec while I was editing it... lol [14:52] i did [14:52] cause i dont like you [14:52] hah.. no cab for you. [14:54] apachelogger: re: kubuntu-users sure [14:54] * claydoh forgot the meeting was today [14:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/73871/ [14:54] opinions? [14:54] * apachelogger should blog about KDE @ Dexter [14:57] apachelogger: +1 :) [14:57] rgreening: I moved the page [14:58] rgreening: although it should have warned me if you were editing it [14:58] rgreening: KubuntuJauntySpecs [14:59] apachelogger: ok i take that back [14:59] apachelogger: i only seem to be able to play songs from magnatune [14:59] this is super weird [14:59] Riddell: yeah, I thought I accidentally erased everything as when I saved it returned a blank page... almost lost my mind :) [15:01] Nightrose: that is weird indeed [15:01] Nightrose: please get a console dump and a strace if you have time [15:01] ok will try [15:03] * NCommander hit kde4libs with something hard [15:04] homicide? [15:04] someone call the police! [15:04] kde4libs only just compiled [15:06] apachelogger: http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp/phonon.txt [15:09] Riddell: 8.04 doesn't ask for upgrade to 8.10 by default, does it? [15:09] apachelogger: nope [15:10] or even at all [15:10] unless.. [15:10] you didn't upgrade adept with the hardy-updates version [15:10] ok [15:15] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695 [15:29] NCommander: there ain't is no patch @ bug 299164 [15:29] Launchpad bug 299164 in kde4libs "Can't compile against libsolid in intrepid" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299164 [15:29] apachelogger, I deleted it because my patch introduced a worse bug [15:29] * NCommander is very close to a much better solution :-) [15:30] I see [15:30] I'm backporting some of the cmake module code for 4.1.73 that removed KDEDependenciesInternal [15:31] sounds like regression testing fun :P [15:31] regression testing is how I found my patch was bad :-P [15:33] Riddell: if I am reading the fridge events page correctly ubuntu-meeting should be available for a very long time [15:34] NCommander: you know, of all the stuff we backported only the preview thingies for the taskbar turned out to be of sufficient quality :P [15:34] apachelogger, I'm ONLY backporting cmake build code [15:34] apachelogger: quick get nixternal to book it [15:34] The worse I do is break building stuff, and I'm testing my backported patch to make sure that doesn't happen [15:34] wasabi [15:34] nixternal: go book #ubuntu-meeting for 20 UTC - 3 UTC :P [15:35] roger that [15:35] or maybe make that 0 UTC [15:35] otherwise I will be uber tired tomorrow ;-) [15:36] 7 hours for a meeting is a bit much :P [15:36] hrmm, someone removed my login stuff w/o even talking to me [15:36] did you look at the agenda? [15:36] only for the last item I could use 3 hours of discussion :P [15:37] nixternal: maybe it's like the launchpad funnies, where your motu membership can actually run out [15:37] ah! my boss is going home. I am going home. \o/ home [15:38] apachelogger: never got any notification of it [15:38] nixternal: maybe it got cought as spam? [15:39] nope, I am still on the team [15:39] so you are important on paper, but in fact you are not? [15:40] * apachelogger is confused an half way out the office [15:40] what's kdpkg? [15:40] to whoever added that to the Jaunty wiki page ^^ [15:41] sounds like an apacheloggerism === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Next Meeting: 2008-11-18 20:00 UTC https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | Merges! http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html [15:42] is that a new word? [15:43] haha, I am able to edit the fridge, stupid OpenID crap [15:45] added [15:54] apachelogger: going to e-mail out a reminder? [16:01] argh.. did the time change on the other side of the world? [16:02] seele: at the end of october it did [16:02] desktop meeting in #ubuntu-desktop [16:03] oooh, the desktop meetings moved back to thursday? [16:03] i thought they were tuesday [16:03] 13:00 utc? ick that is early [16:03] seele: it's tuesday today [16:04] Riddell: right, but i thought the desktop meetings were moved to tuesday.. the calendar says thursday at 13:00 [16:05] seele: it's on now [16:05] which calendar? [16:06] Riddell: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event [16:06] * seele cries.. so confused [16:06] that's what we're discussing [16:08] #ubuntu-meeting? [16:08] heh.. nope. that looks like server team === SLsFIinE is now known as LjL [16:13] seele: #ubuntu-desktop [16:14] Riddell: oh, heh. thanks [16:15] * seele updates her calendar [16:15] hello guys [16:15] and gals [16:15] my classmate is trying to get going with amarok 2 SVN [16:15] and he installed kde devel packages for his ubuntu [16:15] but then the cmake file is telling him he needs the mysql-embedded [16:15] do you guys know what package he needs? [16:16] litb: apt-get build-dep amarok-kde4 after adding the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa will give him all he needs [16:18] thanks guys [16:18] <- not a guy ;-) [16:18] but you're welcome nontheless [16:20] im sorry :/ [16:20] you've one free slap round [16:20] haha [16:21] litb: you might need to delet the cmake cache after installing it [16:21] it didn't find it for me otherwise [16:21] *delete [16:21] oh ok. i'll tell him that [16:21] thanks gals [16:21] ;-) [16:27] who's a pythonista here? I got a quick question [16:29] rgreening: what's up? [16:30] Riddell: writing a app and need to have cmdline args mutually exclusive. If user enters two options which are exclusive, I want it to kick back to the app's help. [16:30] KCmdLineArgs can probably do that, it can do most things [16:31] Riddell: So, I can make a call to that and exit gracefully with the help showing [16:32] Riddell: I'm attempting my first full python app (writing a KDE FE to ufw for a lark... if it's useful for Kubuntu, all the better). [16:32] rgreening: if it's a KDE app you have no choice but to use KCmdLineArgs, look at the docs on api.kde.org to work out what it can do for you [16:33] Riddell: ty [16:34] rgreening: you can see it in use in qt-language-selector for example [16:38] if you want to code your own command line args you can bypass kcmdlineargs by giving it a fake sys.argv [16:38] true [16:38] but there shouldn't be a need unless the args are being processed elsewhere like in some of our cross-desktop apps, kcmdlineargs is usually the most helpful way [16:39] Riddell: usage and usageError are what I was looking for. :) [16:39] yeah, it is sort of a hack ;-) [16:40] <3 hacks [16:41] I need someone to throw work at me [16:41] right now [16:42] * JontheEchidna throws malone at apachelogger [16:42] ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [16:43] * apachelogger could get his once working, but now again broken kmail running again [16:43] anyone want to test the new KOffice 2 beta? deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main [16:44] * apachelogger updates cache [16:45] After this operation, 35.4MB of additional disk space will be used. [16:45] apachelogger: which operation is that? [16:45] install koffice-kde4 [16:45] that's not as bad as I'd expect [16:45] if I would do that with openoffice it would look more like 300MB ;-) [16:46] the source is 86MB [16:46] Riddell: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/krita-data-kde4_1%3a1.9.98.2-0ubuntu3~intrepid2_all.deb (--unpack): [16:46] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/services/kritarulerassistanttool.desktop', which is also in package krita-kde4 [16:46] humph [16:46] hmm [16:46] krita-kde4: Depends: krita-data-kde4 (>= 1:1.9.98.2-0ubuntu3~intrepid2) but 1:1.9.98.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [16:47] * apachelogger uses force ;-) [16:47] hm that is weird [16:47] krita-data-kde4_1.9.98.2-0ubuntu3~intrepid2_all.deb exists [16:48] yeah, stupid apt-get just refused to upgrade [16:48] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/73904/ [16:48] it's in kword-data-kde4 [16:49] it's installed [16:49] heya [16:49] Riddell: rebuilding sycoca doesn't help either [16:50] smarter: salut [16:50] apachelogger: hallo, wie geht's dir? [16:50] Oo [16:50] that is bloody perfect german [16:51] smarter: Riddell broke my koffice ;-) [16:51] oh noes [16:51] * smarter always found the UI of kword2 confusing [16:51] Riddell: krita works, kspread and kpresenter don't [16:52] smarter: word processor UIs are always confusing, actually I don't see why I would need a UI at all [16:52] LaTeX ftw :p [16:52] kate ftw [16:53] butterflies ftw [16:53] ubernice mail on the list \o/ [16:53] ;) [16:53] yup :) [16:55] Riddell: maybe it's the findservicebydesktoppath patch in kde4libs [16:55] as I understand it the change is incomplete anyway [16:56] re: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695 so I take it noboby working on that ever contacted any devs for hints, tips, advice :( [16:56] * claydoh is a little upset by that [16:57] this stuff is just plain crazy [16:57] kword and kpresenter work fine here [16:57] claydoh: if that dood did I would have locked him in a closet [16:57] claydoh: no, it's pretty impolite [16:57] adding a 7 epoch is so uber dumb it still gives me the crepps [16:57] -p +e [16:57] well i wouldn't have sent him to a :) he's mean [16:57] :) [16:58] well they forget that its a community [16:59] except when they need to gripe [16:59] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6153716&postcount=88 << that's scary [16:59] "I've had to do so much fiddling with the build environment that I doubt this will work. I want a place to upload the binaries (and source) that I have already built, tested, in some cases modified, and verified." [16:59] apachelogger, I'm getting close to having the libsolid patch done I hope, I need to do some more tests however :-/ [16:59] he modified binary packages? Oo [16:59] Oo [16:59] * Riddell hugs NCommander [17:00] \o/ [17:00] NCommander: what are you patching? :) [17:00] ~order cookie for NCommander [17:00] * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to NCommander. [17:00] Riddell, I did do a fairly large lobotomy of the cmake rules to fix it however [17:00] (the patch itself is fairly small) [17:00] smarter, the reason why we can't link against against libsolid [17:00] such as adept [17:01] * smarter had no idea we had that issue [17:01] smarter, are you running intrepid? [17:01] yus [17:01] check out /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/KDELibsDependenciesInternal.cmake [17:01] And its lovely hardcoded paths [17:01] (search for /build/buildd) [17:02] hmm, nothing like that here [17:02] O_o; [17:02] Oh [17:02] you ned to have the package installed from intrepid-updates [17:03] (its not in jaunty) [17:03] * smarter has backports/updates/updates-testing/experimental/... :P [17:03] NCommander: what's exactly the package? [17:03] smarter, kdelibs-dev [17:03] smarter, oh, you don't have the file? [17:03] I have the file [17:04] Look in the libsolid line [17:04] SET("solid_LIB_DEPENDS" "general;/usr/lib/libQtCore.so;general;/usr/lib/libQtDBus.so;general;/usr/lib/libQtXml.so;general;/usr/lib/libQtGui.so;general;/usr/lib/libQtCore.so;general;kdecore;") ? [17:04] Riddell: oh, I ran the wrong kbuildsycoca4 ;-) still I think kword should invoke a rescan if it can't find the part [17:04] ii kdelibs5-dev 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid5~ppa1 development files for the KDE 4 core librari [17:04] There's your reason [17:04] It was fixed pass 4.1.2 [17:05] *passed [17:05] oh, okay [17:05] so you backported the fix? [17:05] I backported the fix from jaunty [17:05] * NCommander wonders if the 4.1.3 fix would be cleaner [17:05] * apachelogger is getting confused [17:05] NCommander: most likely [17:05] Where's that PPA? [17:05] backports [17:05] I'll redo my magic [17:06] plus 4.1.3 is still targetting -updates, so ultimately the issue would be fixed by then [17:07] I'm about to file the bugs needed to get 4.1.3 into -updates [17:08] Riddell: do you have a script for that? [17:08] nope [17:08] Riddell: I'll try to get one for 4.1.4 [17:08] * apachelogger doubts he can do anymore magic today [17:09] If we're going to put 4.1.3 into updates [17:09] Then maybe its just worth waiting for that to go through [17:09] since it already has the necessary bugfix [17:09] that is what I was trying to indicate when I mentioned that .3 is has -updates as target ;-) [17:09] NCommander: so 4.1.3 should magically fix this? [17:09] Once 4.1.3 hits proposed, we can test adept to see if the issue is corrected [17:10] or is it already in proposed? [17:10] not yet [17:10] WOrks for me [17:10] The same code I backported from 4.1.73 is in 4.1.3 [17:10] ok, I'll file bugs, see if pitti's happy with a move to -proposed then we'll check adept again [17:11] smarter: that bespin thingy is almost an accessibility theme ;-) [17:11] Well, bug resolved [17:11] Even if it took a weird way to fix it [17:11] :-) [17:11] apachelogger: hmm, it's not supposed to :P warum sagst du das? [17:12] smarter: black'n'white and that is all I see [17:12] goes very well with mono ;-) [17:12] supposed to be the überglossy stuff [17:12] the überglossy stuff is disturbing the accessibility [17:12] actually, IMHO the überglossy stuff disturbs the usibility as well [17:13] yes, but bespin is überglossy, screenshot of what you get? [17:13] oh dear, never start krita-kde4 with full debug output [17:13] openGL will eat your prompt [17:15] gtl [17:15] ? [17:15] something g and l [17:15] Riddell: kdebugdialog - turn everything on - start krita [17:16] smarter: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot186.png [17:16] smarter: if the scrollbar was black... [17:18] yes, that's not really glossy but most of the screenshot is the white dolphin background, dialog windows zum Beispiel are a lot glossier iirc, buttons too [17:18] there's a bespin kwin dec too that you might want to check out [17:18] smarter: dialog windows are black, so if it wasn't for the glossy they would be super destincted from normal windows [17:18] which is an accessibility advantage IMO [17:19] smarter: I am running neon right now, my 4.1 is using bespin for kwin [17:19] oh :) [17:20] one of the cool thing of Bespin is that it's superconfigurable [17:20] Riddell: koffice working well [17:20] smarter: lipstik was superconfigurable [17:20] yay [17:21] smarter: and didn't look half bad :P so it was better than bespin is [17:21] * smarter thinks that polyester > lipstik :] [17:21] true [17:21] polyester looked like crap though :P [17:21] no :o [17:22] Riddell, I need your archive administration powers! [17:22] the kubuntu 7.10 theme rocked [17:22] * apachelogger really thinks oxygen is the first style that got decent defaults [17:24] NCommander: what's up? [17:24] Riddell, can you accept svk into updates? It has an SRU ack, and two verifications. [17:25] NCommander: bug no? [17:25] Riddell, 282793 [17:25] bug #282793 [17:26] Launchpad bug 282793 in svk "Unsatisfied dependencies in SVK" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282793 [17:33] Riddell: thoughts about bug 289592 ? [17:33] Launchpad bug 289592 in kde4libs "Unknown media types in /usr/share/mime/packages/kde.xml" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289592 [17:33] * apachelogger would rather not read yet another spec ;-) [17:38] uri/ doesn't sound like a mimetype [17:38] I doubt it's actually a problem though [17:39] ~wp uri mimetype [17:39] no results found for mimetype [17:40] ~wp mimetype [17:40] Results for mimetype: 1. MIME: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME | 2. Internet media type: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_media_type | 3. MediaWici:Mimetype - Wicipedia: http://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWici:Mimetype [17:40] [1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia === santiago-ve is now known as santiago-pgsql === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [17:43] Riddell: it appears to be a KDE specific fake mimetype [17:43]