[00:00] are you running X? [00:00] (KDE, Gnome, etc) [00:00] gnome [00:00] and this is a gnome-terminal you are executing the commands under? [00:00] yes [00:00] weird... [00:00] cllaudyu: do you see apport yet? [00:01] i got a error apt get terminated unexpected [00:01] cllaudyu: yes, that is apport [00:01] in a pop-up? [00:01] now i repport? [00:01] yes [00:01] you wait a bit while it collects data, then it should prompt you to send the data or not [00:02] select send [00:02] it's sending [00:02] it was sent [00:02] that's it? [00:03] no [00:03] my browser opened [00:04] now you file the bug [00:04] i logged in launchpad what do i do nesxt? [00:04] next [00:05] cllaudyu: hggdh told you, "now you file the bug". [00:05] cllaudyu: fill in all the questions that your web browser asks you. If you are not sure, then ask us what to type. [00:05] brb [00:06] browser crashed [00:06] cllaudyu: :( [00:06] i lost it [00:06] cllaudyu: then you will have to do this again: sudo apt-get update [00:06] if i log in again how do i do it? [00:06] cllaudyu: wait: which browser? [00:06] firefox [00:06] cllaudyu: start Firefox again. Applications > Internet > Firefox [00:07] it may be able to take you back to where you were before the crash [00:07] it crashed again [00:07] no [00:07] it didn't [00:07] it the ubuntu home page [00:07] :(( [00:07] cllaudyu: ok. quit the browser, then sudo apt-get update [00:08] sudo apt-get updated now it worked [00:08] is this ok? [00:08] cllaudyu: did you get a segmentation fault? [00:08] no [00:08] it worked fine [00:08] cllaudyu: wait [00:09] il do it again [00:09] cllaudyu: do you also have any other operating system than Linux? [00:09] only xp [00:09] cllaudyu: does xp work perfectly? [00:09] no [00:09] cllaudyu: or have you been having crashing and other weird problems there too? [00:09] yes [00:09] if so: what kinds? [00:09] it crashes often [00:09] do you have any idea what's wrong? [00:10] no i really don't [00:10] cllaudyu: how about ubuntu? do programs crash often too? [00:10] it just restarts for no reason [00:10] ubuntu does not restart but some programs crashes [00:10] yes [00:10] cllaudyu: (in ubuntu, when programs crash, they disappear from your screen. You might see the words "Segmentation fault" or you might not.) [00:10] i haven't seen it [00:11] maybe if i open them in terminal [00:11] cllaudyu: you can start them in a terminal like this: [00:11] firefox & [00:11] xchat crashed earlyer and did got no error pop-up [00:11] or: xchat & [00:11] or similar [00:12] i'l try with firefox [00:12] cllaudyu: yes, there was no pop-up because apport was off. [00:12] now apport is enabled, so you will see apport every time a program crashes. [00:12] now it's on and i'l get pop-ups [00:12] ok === asac_ is now known as asac [00:12] then [00:12] when i have a chrash [00:12] cllaudyu: yes. every time a program crashes, please report it. Use your real email address. You will get emails back if we need more information. You will get emails also when a problem is fixed. [00:13] what do i do in launchapd? [00:13] cllaudyu: you fill in the blanks then click "Submit". if you need help, ask us here in this channel (#ubuntu-bugs) [00:13] ok thanks [00:13] i'l ask help at soon as i have a problem [00:14] cllaudyu: excellent. by filling in apport reports, you can help make ubuntu better. [00:15] all : how likely is it that cllaudyu is experiencing hardware problems which are leading to his repeated crashes? [00:15] jspiro, I sort of doubt [00:16] what else could it be? [00:16] sigsegv is usually memory management [00:16] what do you mean? [00:16] so he doesn't have enough ram? [00:16] that shouldn't mean crashing. [00:17] no, [00:17] i have 256 mb ram isn't that enough? [00:17] cllaudyu: I don't know. Anyone? [00:18] 512mb ram is required of ubuntu? [00:18] it is sort of on the low side, but this should not be the sigsegv cause [00:18] for* [00:20] sigsegv usually is caused by program errors on memory usage [00:22] jspiro, 256M will probably limit what you can run under Gnome (before starting to trash heavily on swap space) [00:23] cllaudyu: Computers use "swap" so if it runs out of RAM, it saves some of your memory to disk temporarily. You can tell your computer is swapping when your computer becomes extremely sluggish, and the red hard-disk-usage light on the front of your desktop computer turns on continuously, for 10 seconds or more. [00:23] ok [00:23] cllaudyu: I think there is a way to use the Gnome System Monitor to check on swap, but I don't know how. And I don't have the Gnome System Monitor installed on my computer. [00:24] You have it though. [00:25] i created swap partition with 1GB if it's ok then i shouldn't have no prblms [00:25] right? [00:26] swap is used only 12.3% [00:27] could my computer/programs crash if i have big CPU usage? [00:32] cllaudyu: 1GB is enough swap. [00:32] i had apport again [00:32] i'm on launchpad [00:32] cllaudyu: I don't think they would crash more because you don't have enough RAM. [00:33] it's a list of repports but none of them reaches to one i have [00:33] cllaudyu: But if you are using more than 0% of swap, then switching back and forth between multiple programs will be slower. [00:33] cllaudyu: skip the list [00:33] cllaudyu: report a new bug [00:33] and now [00:34] what info cand i write??? [00:34] cllaudyu: which program crashed? [00:34] cllaudyu: what was the last thing you did? [00:34] (if you remember) [00:34] if it is a web browser, what was the last link you clicked on? [00:34] i done command sudo apt-get update in terminal [00:35] cllaudyu: and what did it say onscreen? [00:35] i just subbmit it? [00:35] cllaudyu: what did apt-get say? [00:35] apt-get crashed with SIGSEGV [00:35] cllaudyu: what did it say in the terminal? [00:36] segmantation fault [00:36] cllaudyu: what else? a percentage? [00:36] no just that [00:36] i just click on submmit [00:36] cllaudyu: what are the next 3 lines after the line "sudo apt-get update"? [00:36] ? [00:37] cllaudyu: no [00:37] cllaudyu: the next 3 lines in your terminal [00:37] wait [00:38] the urls from where it was updating [00:38] cllaudyu: what is the last line before "Segmentation fault"? [00:38] complete chech something like it [00:38] cllaudyu: the exact and complete line please [00:39] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [00:39] cllaudyu: what is the entire line right before that one? [00:40] it interupted updating [00:40] it was aurl [00:40] url [00:40] cllaudyu: which url? please copy and paste the whole line. [00:40] http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy/non-free Sources [00:41] cllaudyu: 1 minute please [00:41] ok [00:41] cllaudyu: that was not a whole line. It should start with Get, Ign, or Hit. [00:41] cllaudyu: it should end with a number or a letter. [00:42] cllaudyu: please try copying and pasting again :) [00:42] ok [00:42] Atins http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy/non-free Packages [00:42] Atins http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy/free Sources [00:42] Atins http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy/non-free Sources [00:42] Adus 6511B în 1s (5665B/s) [00:42] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [00:42] is this ok? [00:42] cllaudyu: yes [00:42] cllaudyu: then title the report this: apt-get segfaulted right after "Got 6511B in 1s" when I typed "sudo apt-get update" [00:43] ok [00:44] cllaudyu: when you write the report, copy and paste everything that apt-get told you, starting with "sudo apt-get update" and ending with "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" [00:46] i pasted it [00:46] now i submmit it [00:47] done [00:49] cllaudyu: what is the URL? [00:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/294460 [00:49] Error: This bug is private [00:49] cllaudyu: thank you very much for your bug report. [00:49] thank you too [00:49] cllaudyu: by the way, if you use English every time you use apt-get, it will be easier for us to understand your bug reports. To do an apt-get update in English, do this: [00:50] LANG=C sudo apt-get update [00:50] everyone : It tells me "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. You are logged in as Jason Spiro." Why? [00:51] (when trying to view cllaudy's bug) [00:52] nobody is cleared to look at the bug until apport finishes processing it [00:52] how long does that usually take? [00:53] when an apport crash bug is filed, only the apport bot has access to it -- it will extract the coredump, process it, and then release the bug [00:53] about 10 to 20 min [00:53] (depends on the load) [00:53] is there a way we can bump this bug to earlier in the queue? If not, why not? [00:54] :) [00:54] cuz it is automated processing ;-) [00:54] meanwhile, you can look at the birds singing, chirping, or doing whatever it is birds do [00:55] :-D [00:55] what Changed security from Private to Public means? [00:55] cllaudyu: it means everybody can see your report now. [00:55] it means now everybody can look at the bug [00:56] before only those subscribed could [00:56] aaa [00:56] all apport bugs with a crashdump are private [00:56] hope this will help [00:57] cllaudyu, we should get a nice backtrace (hopefully), and we will go from there [01:07] i changed security to public [01:08] cllaudyu: thank you, I can see it now. [01:08] Stacktrace: [01:08] #0 0xb7e9ae10 in ?? () [01:08] #1 0x34323264 in ?? () [01:08] Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) [01:08] StacktraceTop: [01:08] ?? () [01:08] ?? () [01:08] anyone? [01:08] what does the above mean? === woody86_ is now known as woody86 [01:09] ah, it is still not retraced. it is tagged "need-i386-retrace" [01:10] what that means? [01:11] right now it means apport has not yet worked on the coredump [01:11] so we have to wait [01:11] aha [01:12] cllaudyu: Feel free to go have a hot drink, or go outside, while waiting. In fact, you can quit from IRC if you want. If you are not on IRC anymore when we look at the bug, we will add a comment and launchpad.net will email the comment to you. [01:12] cllaudyu, just for curiosity -- on a terminal, type 'vmstat' [01:12] it will print out 3 lines; copy the LAST one here [01:13] 1 1 127080 41784 8112 101932 8 22 150 78 259 702 25 5 67 3 [01:13] got it? [01:13] hggdh: when you surround command names by single quotes, some people type the quotes by accident. :) I usually use colons like: vmstat [01:13] different styles, I guess :-) [01:14] i pasted the last line [01:14] cllaudyu: yes, we saw it. [01:14] thanks. you are indeed low on memory, but not critical [01:15] ok [01:16] hope to see some results soon i'm out bye [01:16] cllaudyu: thanks again for the report. Results won't be immediate. [01:16] cllaudyu: it could take 1 day, or it could take 2 weeks, or more. [01:16] it's no prblem for [01:17] me [01:17] cllaudyu: if you are usually on IRC, add a comment to the report [01:17] ok [01:17] tell us you are usually on freenode, and that your nickname is cllaudyu. Then we can send you a /msg even if you aren't in any channel. [01:18] cllaudyu: or we can email you. [01:18] i'l better receive emails [01:18] cllaudyu: no promise [01:18] ok [01:18] cllaudyu: we are all volunteers. But we will try. [01:18] thanks [01:18] you're welcome. [01:18] i'm romanian by the way [01:18] i am canadian [01:19] my english is a not so good [01:19] I am in Eastern Standard Time. I think GMT-0700 [01:19] cllaudyu: your english is good enough :) [01:19] too be understood i know [01:20] but i don't really understand when somebody tells me something [01:20] special long phrases [01:21] Your vocabulary and grammar are very good. Two things you should work on are homonyms and spelling. to/too and now/know are examples. You can learn more by reading websites in English, watching TV in English (www.hulu.com), [01:22] cllaudyu: listening to radio in English (www.shoutcast.net), and speaking in English on IRC. [01:22] thanks for thoose links [01:22] i will try my best [01:23] cllaudyu: you're welcome. Also, always keep an English -> Romanian dictionary nearby, so you can look up all the words you don't know. Try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:1/cat:37?sort=popular for dictionary software [01:24] cllaudyu: also, when you don't understand what someone means, tell them you are ESL, and ask them to explain using simpler language. [01:24] (a speaker of English as a Second Language) [01:25] ok i understood [01:25] thank you very much [01:25] you're welcome. [01:25] cllaudyu: for more help with english, see channel ##english [01:26] i think i can get help only by writing it.... i learned it since a child but didn't got so interested of it... [01:26] cllaudyu, we can understand you, don't worry [01:26] cllaudyu: yes. I understood you fine. [01:27] i'm worring about my spelling [01:27] worried [01:27] cllaudyu: your spelling is good enough for us to understand. [01:27] cllaudyu, this is irc. *everybody* writes wrong [01:27] cllaudyu: when somebody writes "know" instead of "now", or "too" instead of "to", we know what you mean. [01:27] cllaudyu: if you are very worried, use an XChat built-in spellchecker. But it is not important. [01:27] think about some people who does not know english... === Pici` is now known as Pici [01:28] yeah, the time there is different from here [01:29] eastern european time [01:29] i think it's daylight over there [01:30] cllaudyu: it is night here in Toronto, Canada. [01:30] here is ooo the darkest night [01:30] 03:30 [01:30] cllaudyu: then go to sleep :) wait for an email from us. [01:30] i can't sleep thanks [01:31] * jspiro always finds that when I turn off my computer, I fall asleep sooner. [01:32] my brother, OTOH, counts sheep in his imagination [01:32] they say it works. [01:32] i know that in canada there are tow languages spoken french and english am i right? [01:33] cllaudyu- yes, that's correct [01:33] i'd love to count girls in my imagiantion... [01:33] cllaudyu- french more so on the eastern side if I'm not mistaken [01:33] cllaudyu: but here in Toronto, 97% or so of people speak English. [01:33] only [01:33] strange thing! [01:33] in Montreal, more than 50% speak French. in Quebec City, more than 75% [01:33] i wonder how thit it get this way [01:34] cllaudyu: the French came from France to Quebec province many years ago. everyone else went to other parts of Canada. [01:34] canada is split appart from america? [01:35] cllaudyu- nope, we butt right up against eachother [01:37] i would love to be canadian [01:37] ;) [01:37] cllaudyu- you're telling me :) I'm moving to Vancouver in a couple years [01:38] woddy86 good for you.... search for romania to see where i'm from [01:38] i guess you'l be amazed [01:39] cllaudyu: could you move to Western Europe? [01:39] i could [01:39] cllaudyu: you do know a lot of English already, which must help, no? [01:39] yes... [01:39] but in europe there's spoken ither kinds of languges [01:39] other [01:40] german deutsch [01:40] french i should have to know every one of them [01:40] i wonder if you have heard of romania? [01:41] or from were did you heard of it... [01:41] cllaudyu: my aunt's family is from romania. [01:41] my family is from hungary. [01:41] strange combination [01:42] maybe we're relatives :) [01:42] cllaudyu: (btw i see at https://launchpad.net/~cllaudyu1987 that you didn't fill in a public email address. It would be helpful.) [01:42] cllaudyu: could be :) [01:42] hmmm [01:42] where to fiil it? [01:43] trust me i don't know a thing [01:43] on that launchpap [01:43] cllaudyu: https://launchpad.net/~cllaudyu/+edit [01:43] i'm learning do [01:43] page not found [01:44] i'm logging in [01:44] hopefully finding a way [01:44] to add my mail [01:45] cllaudyu: oops. it is https://launchpad.net/~cllaudyu1987/+editemails [01:45] it's allready there [01:45] is not visible? [01:45] cllaudyu: not visible. [01:45] how to maki it [01:45] visible? [01:46] cllaudyu: go to https://launchpad.net/~cllaudyu1987/+edit [01:46] i could add the same mail again? [01:46] cllaudyu: at the bottom, remove the "X" from "Hide my email addresses from other Launchpad users" [01:47] ok its done [01:47] do you see it know? [01:47] cllaudyu: yes, thank you. [01:47] youre wellcome [01:47] also, if you go to https://launchpad.net/~cllaudyu1987/+editircnicknames you can write your IRC nickname there. [01:48] hope your not spamming [01:48] cllaudyu: no, i am just making sure we can reach you through launchpad about the bug [01:48] channel and server? [01:48] jspiro, any comments in the bug will be mailed to cllaudyu [01:48] hggdh: ah. [01:48] automagically [01:49] network [01:49] cllaudyu: network is irc.freenode.net -- nickname is cllaudyu [01:49] what netowrk is this [01:49] aaaa thanks [01:49] i have irc.ubuntu.com if im not mistakin [01:50] irc.ubuntu.com is a cname for irc.freenode.net [01:50] aha [01:51] how the weather in canada? [01:52] it has all the fous seasons? [01:52] four [01:52] or is it just summer and winter [01:52] cllaudyu: yes, all 4. [01:52] nice [01:53] then is similar to romania [01:53] :) anyway, i must get back to the game i am writing. [01:53] what game? [01:54] cllaudyu: Political Table Tennis [01:54] political? [01:54] it sounds weird [01:54] cllaudyu: really just Pong, with faces of famous presidents and prime ministers. [01:54] aaa [01:54] you are writing it or playing it? [01:54] writing it. [01:55] you create games [01:55] sometimes. [01:55] sometimes means like what?? :) [01:55] i played some games [01:55] flash games [01:56] cllaudyu: every 3 years or so, I write a game. [01:56] they'r very weird by their nature [01:56] it's that long it tooks? [01:56] and i'm keeping you out of work? [01:57] sorry :) [01:57] hmmm [01:57] cllaudyu: no, you're not. I am keeping myself from getting work done :) [01:57] cllaudyu: but back to work now. bye [01:57] bye [01:58] (I work at home, and am a student, so am not losing any money :) ) [01:58] nice [01:59] anyone else haveing issues with teh wiki tonight [01:59] as well as repos [01:59] being slow/unresponsive that is [02:01] Awsoonn, here it seems fine [02:02] the wiki, I mean. for the repos, at least the US one was not bad [02:02] hggdh: kk, thats what I get for living in northern Michigan.... [02:02] :-) [02:03] when they say we have fiber at my ISP, I think they were refering the trees that surround their facility.. [02:03] * hggdh is in Kentucky, this week [02:03] * Awsoonn wants to tap chicago at least once in his life. [02:04] most people would go see teh sears tower and all that crap, Id just want to steal some bandwidth :D [02:05] Awsoonn: all is good in South East Michigan, but, that is of course not the UP [02:06] greg-g: T_T yea.... a beaver probably chew through our fiber ... AGAIN ( no joke ) [02:20] Hey, istanbul and xvidcap both crash for me, know of any other good screencast utils for bugreporting purposes? [02:27] lfaraone: try gtk-recordmydesktop [02:39] Hey folks. I am currently looking at my desktop system which appears to have had all of its groups deleted. [02:40] This is either by a malicious unknown entity, or by me somehow. What's the best procedure for moving forwards with regards to writing a good bug report for this? [02:41] jamesish: /etc/group is empty? [02:42] no, there are 3 groups in there [02:42] root, nogroup and a local group I made called fuzz. [02:43] ouch [02:43] do you still have /etc/group-? [02:43] hmmm, were you using a group add command or something? [02:43] No, not even close. [02:44] I've been reading my auth.log, and at twenty after five I have a message that polkit-grant-helper granted authorisation for blah blah to some process [02:44] then at 17:24:21, out of nowhere, there's about fifteen calls to groupdel [02:45] hm [02:45] 25 calls, maybe :P [02:45]