[00:00] Gah. [00:00] * Flannel really wants to ban someone, but has to leave in like 3 minutes. [00:02] Flannel: whowhere? [00:02] mneptok: fryguy in #u, it's a systemic thing, and he's been beligerrent ni the past, etc. [00:03] His original issue is giving bad information, and then its compounded because he gets smart about it in querys [00:03] Nevermind [00:03] he's banned. [00:03] He'll come in here and scream bloody murder (which is what I was trying to avoid, while I had to leave) [00:03] just... tell him he needs to take it up with me. I won't be gone for more than 4 hours. [00:06] why was I just banned from #ubuntu? [00:06] fryguy: looks like Flannel did the banning, i'd ask him. [00:07] i did, he's unresponsive [00:07] maybe AFK [00:07] ban while i'm idling in the channel and then instantly go AFK? sounds sorta fishy [00:08] anyway I can get unbanned? i'm trying to gather some information [00:08] fryguy: not if he's trying to cool off [00:09] fryguy: and no, another op will not remove another op's ban placed 5 minutes ago. [00:09] i didn't do anything in the channel though. How can I just get randomly banned from a channel? [00:09] perhaps it was something you said in /query then [00:10] what would /query have to do with the channel? [00:10] isn't that what things like /ignore are for? Like i said I'm just trying to idle in the channel to gather some information that's not really suitable for a question [00:10] fryguy: he will be back in under 4 hours - I suggest you come back in about 4 h. [00:11] fryguy: this is not serving you well. the banning op isn't here. please return when he is here. [00:11] if you are displaying behavior toward an op that would warrant /ignore, then you should be banned, IMO [00:11] mneptok: i don't think I was, apparently he thinks differently. [00:11] fryguy: which is why you should speak to him, and why we will not remove a ban without consultation. [00:12] are there other channels related to ubuntu that would be suitable to join to gain hardware level information about changes from 8.04->8.10 [00:12] fryguy: try ##linux [00:12] nalioth: i'm curious about ubuntu-specific changes from 8.04->8.10 [00:12] try ##linux [00:12] i would have picked linux in other situations, but this is very ubuntu-specific [00:13] picked ##linux [00:15] we'd appreciate it if you'd wait elsewhere, fryguy [00:15] ##linux isn't going to be able to provide me with information like whether my graphics card is going to work with the new configuration scheme in 8.10, something that I would be able to get from another ubuntu-specific channel. Are there others I can check out, and if so what are they? [00:15] /msg alis help [00:18] any specific recommendations? [00:19] there's an awful lot of channels listed, probably more information than I can reasonably read in a short period of time === genii-2 is now known as genii-around [00:21] fryguy: this is not a support channel. [00:22] it's for operator/abuse questions, of which I was asking about, and am now asking for a solution to my operator/abuse question. [00:22] *sigh* [00:22] a simple recommendation for another source for the information I need since I was denied the main source for some reason is all i'm asking for [00:23] you got several recommendations. [00:23] users do not get to idle here until they get the answer they want. they are allowed to idle here until they get an answer. [00:23] mneptok: I don't believe I was given a recommendation. I was given a resource to obtain a complete list, many of which seem to be foreign languages and other things of no use to me. I am asking for a recommendation of all of the information given is all [00:23] you got 2. "wait for Flannel" and "try ##linux" [00:24] fryguy: let me be blunt. Leave now and don't come back until flannel is active. [00:24] mneptok: flannel can't give me the information I want, and "try ##linux" is wrong [00:25] I guess asking for a reasonable recommendation is too much to ask [00:25] Difficult fellow. [00:33] taaaaasty hobbitseses. [00:34] meh as easy as starting a /query on mirc is, my sister had to try estabilishing a dcc chat [00:34] i didn't even realize it could be her, dismissed as a channel spammer :| [00:35] mIRC? [00:35] really? in 2008? [00:37] Sadly I know many windows users who still use it :( [00:40] mneptok, pici: so what's wrong with mirc? it certainly scrolls and switches tabs faster than this elephant i have here [00:40] don't suggest xchat on windows or i'll start laughing [00:41] Bersirc? HydraIRC? [00:42] i don't know, mirc works anyway, and it's what i know [00:42] anyway she just managed to query me [02:05] !election is Politics is offtopic for #ubuntu, but we invite you to join #election to discuss the US Presidental election. [02:05] I'll remember that, Pici [02:05] Hows that sound? [02:05] Sounds fine to me, Pici. [02:08] you want a factoid that'll only be good for 4 more hours? [02:08] Why not? [02:09] well, there are more channels than #election [02:09] and two, the factoid is not needed, imho [02:09] I just picked the one that #freenode had in its topic. [02:09] i'd suggest you add /msg alis list *election* instead of picking one [02:09] if not deleting it altogether [02:10] And just use standard offtopic? [02:10] Hm? [02:10] It uses $chan [02:10] yes, imho, that would be best [02:10] I'm asking nalioth what he proposes if you delete !election [02:10] Pici: !o4o [02:10] ah [02:11] I'll just tell ubottu to forget it if you feel that strongly [02:11] i'm just one person [02:11] with one opinion [02:12] i don't think we need to touch on the election at all, officially [02:12] You walk softly and carry a big stick... [02:12] tritium is here. ask him. [02:12] :) [02:13] I don't have a preference. [02:13] ubottu: forget election [02:13] I'll forget that, Pici [02:13] Use your fingers for the typing then :) [02:15] i usually do [02:19] i headbang the keyboard, and usually get desired output between the lines of the death metal lyrics [02:36] What's up with all the /join/parts from FSCK_FSCK_FSCK? Just a bad connectoin? [02:36] connection* [02:42] no. it's abuse. [03:54] * genii sips his coffee [04:06] * genii watches Flannel work in #ubuntu and takes notes [04:07] genii: auto_bleh++ [04:08] Flannel: I'm just observing :) [04:08] genii: You can also watch... or, I guess not, the same guy continue to spam me in a query [04:08] Hes just hitting up and hitting enter. Rather boring. If you're going to be at obnoxious, at least be creative. [04:09] amen. [04:09] Eh, at what point does excess flood kick in anyway? [04:11] Flannel: Depends (tm) [04:11] * mneptok cracks himself up [04:11] Hm [04:12] Is there even some flood monitor in PM?? [04:13] no [04:13] Gah. [04:21] Hah, they are persisting in political talk in #kubuntu even after several gentle warnings. Good thing it's slow support-wise atm [04:22] i'll peak my head in [04:23] It's slowed down now and mostly back on-topic [04:23] good deal [04:26] it'd be +b *!*@unaffiliated/thedoc right? [04:26] oh [04:26] tritium beat me to it [04:26] Ah, sorry. :) [04:27] Nah, save me from having to manually message chanserv, etc. [04:40] In #ubuntu-cn, deaddummy said: ubot3, ubuntu 8.10 is newest Ubuntu distribution ! [04:42] Ok, going /away since this nick is on quassel .... gnite [04:42] NO WAI! [04:42] actually 9.04 is but anyway. [05:29] ubottu: tell QAWAYO about away [05:43] sigh. [06:18] Seriously. Why is it so interesting to people to shout something before they leave? [06:26] people like getting the last word in. [06:43] morning [06:44] Howdy Myrtti [06:54] * Flannel is apparently trogdor. [07:00] a what? [07:01] Myrtti: trogdor: http://www.homestarrunner.com/trogdor.html [07:02] Oh, thats a game. [07:02] Let me find the video [07:03] Myrtti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovEy8CZqN3c [07:04] I believe its all clean. But I haven't watched it in... forever, so... be aware. [07:07] *sigh* [07:08] * Myrtti gets more coffee, cries a bit and watch the video after surviving the blues [07:12] morning Myrtti [07:14] ♥ [08:10] Alright, I'm off. Have fun [08:44] hi kids [08:45] jussi01: sorry no I do not know [09:49] Enter text here... [09:51] MM [09:54] gnomefreak: lol, I just flicked to what I thought was #Defocus and saw you join, and voiced you, oopsy [09:54] t'was #freenode, d'oh [09:54] :) [09:55] I feel such a dork [09:56] eh it isnt that bad, no worries [09:56] have there been many problems given today's political milestone? [09:57] * gnomefreak was better off not remembering about yesterdays election :( [09:59] sorry [10:00] its ok i was wondering how it turned out so i was gonna remember sooner or later [10:00] oh. i hope it turned out the way you wanted. [10:01] i know it did for me. i will not verbalise why. [10:01] mainly because reading it afterwards would give me nightmares. [10:05] no i was hoping for mickey mouse to win but eh [10:06] nah, should have been donald duck, then the finns would have been banned from seeing footage of the US president [10:07] (it was finland he was banned from, yes?) [10:07] not sure [10:08] * Myrtti wants a huggle [10:08] he wasn't banned in Finland [10:09] it. [10:09] sweden [10:09] ? [10:09] it was somewhere in that region, i can never remember where though [10:09] no [10:09] it's an urban legend [10:10] ah [10:10] cities of Helsinki and Kemi cut down their spending, canceling their subscription of the magazine at dentists etc. [10:10] i did always wonder why people who skinny dip in holes in ice would be worried about a pantless duck. [10:11] or is the skinny dipping another urban myth? [10:11] no [10:12] ok cool. if it was, i was going to ask if IRC and Linux were urban myths too, [10:12] don't forget ssh [10:12] true [10:13] but if IRC and Linux were gone, i couldnt give a damn about ssh :P [10:13] [11:56] <+elkbuntu> have there been many problems given today's political milestone? [10:13] [11:57] * gnomefreak was better off not remembering about yesterdays election :( [10:13] [11:59] <+elkbuntu> sorry [10:13] dämnit [10:13] http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/finland.asp [10:13] that was what I meant to paste [10:15] snopes takes all the fun out of life though :( [11:59] !no scanners is Scanning software: XSane, the GIMP (GNOME), Skanlite (KDE). For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners - See also !OCR [11:59] I'll remember that jussi01 [12:26] ubuntu appears to be a bit annoying today [12:26] lots of smart comments [12:43] the floodbots are broken [12:57] :( [12:58] the floodbots are fixed [12:58] possibly a bad time to go breaking them. can they be rolled back to a non-b0rked edition? [12:58] yay!! [12:58] i didn't break them now, i just noticed they're broken now [12:58] Floodbots are dead, long live the Floodbots [12:58] there were instances when they'd mute people but never unmute them [13:00] why the freaking hell can i *still* not get wireless on my eee, despite it allegedly being fixed in adam's kernel? [13:00] siccness is about to go [13:00] LjL, please [13:00] he's been walking a tightrope [13:00] elkbuntu: adam's kernel is array.org's? [13:00] Has he? I just got here. [13:00] LjL, yep [13:00] elkbuntu: but you've got a 701 yes? [13:00] Pici, he doesnt even use ubuntu [13:00] LjL, yep [13:01] but it allegedly fixed it for 701 too, no? [13:01] elkbuntu: works on my 901, except for the known issue that you cannot turn it off without crashing [13:01] elkbuntu: try -proposed perhaps, i'm using it [13:01] elkbuntu: can you tell me how things are with 3g prepaid connections over there? do they exist? how much etc? [13:01] LjL, it's only livecd atm [13:01] ah [13:02] elkbuntu: live cd of what, ubuntu eee? [13:02] jussi01, they exist only on 12-24mth contracts [13:02] LjL, no. vanilla intrepid [13:02] elkbuntu: works for me with plain 8.04.1 + BenC's test-kernel. [13:02] damn - so yu cant get a prepaid data ? [13:02] elkbuntu: but vanilla intrepid is not the array.org kernel [13:02] Nafallo: now what's benc's test kernel? [13:02] LjL, i know. but it's not like the array.org kernel appeared yesterday [13:03] elkbuntu: UNR broke horrible on 8.10 last time I tried :-) [13:03] Nafallo, unr? [13:03] i dont have time to maintain a TLA dictionary anymore, sorry. [13:03] elkbuntu: but the array.org kernel is made of hacks. talk to synrg in #eeepc, he'll explain the situation much better than i can [13:04] elkbuntu: Ubuntu Netbook Remix [13:04] LjL, hacks are better than no wifi :( [13:04] LjL: http://blog.phunnypharm.org/2008/08/ubuntu-kernel-next.html [13:04] elkbuntu: not in the long term [13:06] elkbuntu: other than 3g, you don't, like, have a railways site with comprehensive timetables like everybody else? [13:07] LjL, cityrail.info countrylink.info [13:08] Nafallo, way too much effort for an eee [13:08] and, i leave for work in 8 hrs, so bed time for me. [13:09] elkbuntu: i had missed cityrail. still meh, i'm used to typing start station, end station and departure time, not browsing through a list of lines... you are lagging behind technology :( [13:10] our railways site is wonderful, shows where every train is in realtime. they're all so much delayed that one wonders *why* they want you to see that in realtime. [13:11] elkbuntu: I disagree. but it's running damn well on that one :-) [13:11] * Nafallo ponders trying to steal kernels from intrepid-security pinned instead. [13:35] stdin: lokai is trolling a bit, you think? [13:35] personally, I'm sick of people coming in and saying "OMG KDE4 IS THE SUXORZ!!!!1" [13:37] I'd say, if they are asking for support, then ok. if they are just complaining, then they're being a little trollish [13:37] stdin I'm sick that also [13:46] bazhang: what, there is *yet another* DE around? [13:46] LjL, hehe [13:47] he is definitely t--rolling [13:47] LjL, cant figure out how to not have key press repeat on lxde though. [13:48] bazhang: well, i'm seeing screenshots, and the launcher is identical to the eeepc. and i have a key repeat problem on the eeepc. so, there's your explanation - they copied all of it ;) [13:48] LjL, yup that's it :) [13:49] just installed on my eeepc as well [13:49] bazhang: anyway trolling or not he's most probably right, kde 4 on my nvidia card works terrible too, with or without kwin effects, and i'm pretty sure that's a bug somewhere (possibly in the nvidia code), not merely the computer not being good enough [13:49] i'm using the netbook remix interface on mine [13:51] yeah, nvidia code has a few issues with kde4 although my 9500gt is going alright :D [13:52] jussi01: i get very slow scrolling/resizing and garbage showing up briefly when opening a menu [13:53] @bansearch askdksdl [13:53] No matches found for askdksdl!n=user@h63n7c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com in any channel [13:53] LjL: yeah, same here with the garbage, the slow resizing and stuff only sometimes. but yeah, its useable [13:54] it is nvidia.ko fault though... [13:54] although i don't get it, with effects disabled wouldn't it just be using pretty standard graphics calls [13:57] *sigh* [13:58] Hi Myrtti! [13:58] Myrtti: perk up [13:58] meh. [13:59] does anyone know how come i cant get on hack this site's IRC server? [14:07] nice [14:33] * genii sips his coffee [14:57] * genii hands Myrtti a nice apple cider [14:59] no apfelschnapps? [15:00] nalioth: I may have some peach schnapps someplace.... [15:02] * nalioth prefers a shot of southern comfort in a tumbler of apple juice [15:18] LjL: having fun in #k ? :D [15:26] jussi01: i really wouldn't call it fun [15:26] hehe [15:34] @bansearch lokai [15:34] No matches found for lokai!n=vsudilov@opti6.mpe-garching.mpg.de in any channel [16:15] * ikonia is fed up of people thinking the server release is a minimal install [16:15] when did a server become a "minimal" install [16:16] "I don't want X so I installed the server" [16:16] Since minimal isn't advertized that much on the download page? [16:17] even so [16:17] server is not a minimal install in any book [16:22] ikonia: there are two "servers" in folks' mind, and most of them are thinking of the non-live install disc 'server option', not the actual ubuntu-server distro [16:22] yup, just gets tiresome to hear "I don't want X so I installed an enterprise big iron server" [16:24] Hey guys, I have to know. Seriously, did you guys make a rule specifically banning the three *letters* "WTF" from #ubuntu ? [16:24] 'cause, well, doesn't that seem stupid? heck. WTF is about as family friendly a way to express a WTF as I can think of [16:26] !wtf [16:26] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [16:26] yep [16:26] all #buntu channels [16:26] riiight. and what mental convolutions did folks jump through to arrive at that? [16:26] nemo: just try to avoid. Some people are offended [16:26] that's idiotic - one of the main points of the accronym is to avoid the profanity [16:26] ^dt [16:26] it [16:27] think it dont type it [16:27] getting reprimanded for deliberately trying to use inoffensive language to express extreme anger - rather annoying [16:27] nemo: for *you*. Others feel differently about it. Remember, people in #ubuntu come from very many different cultures [16:27] thinking it doesn't convey it [16:27] nemo: think of it as being informed, not reprimanded [16:27] then take a time out until the rage passes. [16:28] I'm at a loss to think of a culture that would both know what it means and think that that combination of letters is offensive [16:28] how is spelling it out any different than the acronym? They have the same meaning [16:28] jrib: spelling it out is using the precise word that some consider offensive [16:28] characters -> eyes -> brain -> meaning [16:28] it is like saying f-word [16:28] or f!@# [16:29] jrib: the whole point is to protect "innocents" [16:29] if any "family" member knows what WTF means they are, defacto, not innocent [16:29] nemo: same "yogurt" instead of "wtf", that will work [16:29] right. if the word actually conveyed the same meaning, it'd get banned too [16:29] oh well. question answered. you're all idiots. thanks for clarification :) [16:30] idiot [16:30] @bansearch nemo [16:30] No matches found for nemo!i=nemo@c-76-21-160-106.hsd1.md.comcast.net in any channel [16:30] Think it, don't type it. [16:30] why do you have to express the meaning "what the fuck" [16:30] why not say "this is confusing", or "this is frustrating" [16:30] why do you have to convey that message [16:30] irc rage? [16:31] ikonia: how the fuck should i know [16:31] ljl is in disguise again [16:31] I'm an idiot, woot [16:31] !ohmy | LjL [16:31] LjL: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [16:31] i'm not in disguise it's just by bouncer [16:31] i rebooted a couple times, it got confused [16:31] rNhxYA_r: thats what all ban evaders say [16:31] hehe [16:31] heheh [16:31] @bansearch rNhxYA_r [16:31] No matches found for rnhxya_r!n=ljl@213-140-17-103.ip.fastwebnet.it in any channel [16:31] awwww [16:31] hahahaha [16:32] nothing yet [16:32] rNhxYA_r: have you seent he /topic, no idlign here pls [16:32] you know, I'm waiting for the day a ban evader realizes he just needs to change his ident to 'ljl' [16:32] see, i'm innocent like some child who doesn't know "wtf" [16:32] *yet* [16:32] jrib, right, give them ideas [16:32] LjL, innocent? mwhahaaaa [16:32] also, i'd never heard you commenting "idiot" after someone left before, i'm worried :P [16:32] I couldnt... not to ljl [16:33] jussi01: I could... [16:33] rNhxYA_r: well you can only say it outloud so many times before your fingers take over [16:33] @mark rNhxYA_r because he needs to be in the BT :D === rNhxYA_r is now known as LjL [16:33] The operation succeeded. [16:33] /CKICK rNhxYA_r No Idling here pls [16:33] ok, where is she? [16:34] just slow [16:35] jrib: but this way your appellation of saint jrib will eventually be revoked? [16:35] why does my wifi card not want to work in AP mode :< [16:37] LjL: because it hates you [16:38] it's mutual [16:42] is /csak a common alias for anyone [16:43] No, what does that do? [16:43] no idea, got a guy in pm who was sending people ctcp version requests [16:43] while asking him why he was doing it he did /csak ugy [16:43] by mistake [16:43] wondering what he's up to / trying to do [16:45] he's been sat idle in #ubuntu for a while and two people have nudged me to say he was sending out version requests [16:45] I think he's playing "dumb" [16:46] ikonia: who is this guy, is he banned? [16:46] not banned, talking to him in pm [16:46] interware [16:46] claimed he was just "bored" [16:46] he seems genuine, but the /csak clip makes me think he's playing dumb [16:47] ikonia: sending random people ctcp versions is rarely genuine [16:47] I know [16:47] but young kid hitting buttons on xchat - for example [16:47] it is plausable [16:47] Its one thing to do it to a bot... [16:48] (which he did) [16:48] ikonia: is he hungarian? [16:48] he's agreed to stop [16:48] LjL: yup [16:48] LjL: or so he claims (broken english a bit) [16:49] csak means "only" [16:49] ok, but the / in front of it ? [16:49] typo ? [16:49] Ah. [16:50] Its in the same form as my chanserv commands. i.e.: /csban [16:50] Pici: thats what made me think [16:50] Pici: same for my kick command [16:50] could just be a typo though, eg: fat figners hitting / [16:50] could be, weird coincidence he's hungarian though [16:51] i didn't check whether he was when i asked you - it was a conjecture only based on the word csak itself [16:51] he does seem genuine [16:51] and apologetic [16:51] and he's done nothign else wrong, not even spoke [16:51] just said he was bored [16:51] Tell him its disruptive [16:52] he knows [16:52] he was fine [16:52] so "csak ugy" means "la-la" according to a dictionary. tells, erm, a lot, i guess. [16:53] not to worry, I was just double checking as the /csak woke me up [17:40] Hmm. What to do with a nick like: ubuntu_sucks_dic [17:40] genii: ask them to change it? [17:40] OK [17:40] ( in a PM, of course ) [17:41] Woops too late [17:44] Looks like they are AFK or just lurking, etc [17:44] woo for lurking [17:45] Heh [17:47] perhaps it's time to prepare for closing -party? [17:47] Redirect them all to ##politics ;) [17:48] oi [17:48] That'd be against the CoC ;) [17:48] i'd do it softly softly, i.e. just set +i [17:48] but for starters, i'll remove references to it from topics [17:59] genii: that's not nice at all :( [18:00] nalioth: Very true, yes [18:04] this is the help channel? [18:05] Josesordo: Change your ident please. You aren't the first and its definitely not witty. [18:05] my nickname? [18:05]